The NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - Trump Is Not Our Guy (w⧸Nick Fuentes) - EP7

00:00:00.000 What he did in 16 was really animate the peasants and the rubes and the masses to bring the pitchforks and torches to burn it all down, you know, metaphorically, to really just change the system. 0.93

00:00:12.280 And what I saw him doing in 24 is subduing those people, making them complacent, getting them back. 0.82

00:00:18.720 Bringing them back in the feudal lords, you know.

00:00:21.380 Exactly.

00:00:21.920 Right back into the fold.

00:00:23.120 And so that's why I fundamentally oppose, because I don't doubt, is Trump 24 better than Kamala? Obviously. Everyone knows that. Obviously, it's going to be better governance. But we have to think bigger than that. Second order effects, long term. And is it the best idea that Trump is going to deliver these radicals back into the system?

00:00:47.800 And here's case in point. Perfect example of this. In 2020, you had like 80 percent of the Republicans believe the election was stolen and was illegitimate and they were right. In 24, it's like 20 percent of Republicans believe the election is rigged.

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00:02:43.760 Radical Christian nationalist pastor, Joel Webin. Joel Webin? I'm going to talk about Joel Webin.

00:02:50.820 Joel Webin is an accident.

00:02:56.980 all right donald j trump i gotta be honest i was a bit of a normie back in 2016

00:03:18.760 i didn't vote for hillary of course but i also just couldn't quite bring myself to vote for

00:03:23.820 trump part of my reasoning was i was in california a vote for trump in california is just pissing in

00:03:30.080 the wind you know so i didn't feel terrible about it but i did third party i wasted my vote you saw

00:03:36.320 it early you were on the trump train and then 2020 you were still you know standing by him knew that

00:03:41.860 the election was going to be rigged 2024 you started to feel differently and you voiced that

00:03:47.940 very clearly very explicitly so i was kind of the opposite you know 2016 i didn't see it

00:03:53.600 2020 I was there, 2024 I voted for Trump and I shield for him pretty hard, right? All through

00:04:00.380 the election, you know, in 2024, me and the guys saying, vote for Trump. And yeah, you know, he's

00:04:05.760 a little bad on this, that, and the other, but Kamala is going to be way worse. You should vote

00:04:09.840 for him. Now, since being elected, his first year, there's been some things that I'm grateful for,

00:04:16.700 but I'll be honest, there's been some things I'm like, this is really bad. And I'm finally kind of,

00:04:21.720 We've done a few episodes calling him out, a few episodes chimping, as the kids say. 1.00

00:04:27.180 But it's come to a point where I realize I still think he's definitely better than Kamala.

00:04:32.400 But he's not the great man.

00:04:35.300 He's not our guy.

00:04:36.940 And you see that probably clearer than anyone.

00:04:39.920 You've been there since the beginning.

00:04:42.540 Why is Trump not our guy?

00:04:45.120 Well, that's a big question.

00:04:46.720 And I would say that, you know, in this cycle, in 2024, the reason that I hopped off, because I did consider him at one time to be the great man and our guy, and truly an exceptional figure.

00:05:00.980 He would be transformative.

00:05:02.560 He would be in the vein of a Franklin Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan.

00:05:06.300 To put it very simply, he just is not competent at governing.

00:05:10.760 that's really kind of the key distinction because a lot of people like what trump represents right

00:05:17.500 and what trump represents to them is he's not left-wing he's not politically correct he's

00:05:24.860 patriotic and i think that in his heart of hearts ideologically he's with us he's america first

00:05:31.440 right because for 30 years he's been against free trade he's been against foreign wars and

00:05:36.960 immigration. And those were the issues that animated the 2016 campaign. And even to this

00:05:42.680 day, these are the big issues, whether it's the tariffs, the mass deportations. The foreign policy

00:05:49.500 has probably changed the most. I'd love to see those mass deportations.

00:05:53.340 I would like to see them too. Yeah, right. But spiritually, you know, rhetorically, that's still

00:05:58.620 the message. And I think that in his heart of hearts, that is what he believes. The problem is

00:06:06.860 there's a disconnect between his own personal ideology and what the administration is actually

00:06:13.900 doing and how do you account for that disconnect what's the dissonance there because if you

00:06:19.360 listen to his speeches they're pretty consistent the rhetoric's relatively consistent

00:06:24.360 it is the implementation by the personnel in the white house and to me that is why

00:06:32.220 that is one of the major reasons i jumped off in 2024 the disconnect between the administration

00:06:38.620 his personnel you could kind of forgive with a first turn right right it's like okay he like he

00:06:44.600 didn't know how bad the swamp was going to be you know he picked some guys but couldn't see it they

00:06:49.120 turned out to be traitors it's kind of like fool me once shame on you fool me twice you know three

00:06:54.300 times a lady i think is how bush said it you know but like but the second time it's like i'm a lot

00:06:58.820 less forgiving it's like this should have been ironed out exactly uh in his first term he had

00:07:04.540 this excuse that you get elected president and you need personnel to then run the white house

00:07:09.800 and if you're trying to drain the swamp who do you bring in to actually do this uh

00:07:15.200 you actually what's that pam bondy pam bondy yeah right well and in the first term you come in with

00:07:22.600 no people he had a very small campaign and they weren't political people there's a lot of people

00:07:27.940 he knew from the business world as a lot of people he knew from his his other professions his other

00:07:32.460 careers of which he's had many and so he relied upon the rnc to staff the white house and so as

00:07:40.600 ryan's prebis who was the rnc chair he was then put in charge of staffing the white house and

00:07:46.840 and i knew a lot of people in the first trump administration i would go to washington dc i'd

00:07:52.620 get lunch with them. I get dinner with them. And they would joke about how if you were loyal to

00:07:58.620 Trump, if you were on his campaign, it made you less likely to get hired by the Trump administration.

00:08:06.140 Really? Yes. Why? It would count against you. Why? Because the people that were running the

00:08:11.320 White House were people from the Rubio campaign, people from the Bush campaign, because these are

00:08:17.000 Republicans that were part of that revolving door, that permanent bureaucratic political class.

00:08:22.240 the managerial class right so he was swept in in 16 and there was sort of this panic because

00:08:29.620 you need to fill 10 000 positions five to 10 000 positions he didn't have anybody so he counted on

00:08:36.680 the gop they filled it up with their people who were neither personally loyal to trump

00:08:41.820 nor were they ideologically aligned and so the actual trump loyalists that did agree with him

00:08:49.040 that were loyal to him, they would be getting interviewed for a position by someone that

00:08:55.200 worked for Rubio, someone that worked for Bush. And so there was this deep frustration from people

00:09:01.180 that either got passed over or even people that did get the job because they weren't able to

00:09:06.220 implement the actual policies. And this is where for four years, you would just have downright

00:09:12.380 insubordination. You know, there were two really good examples. There was that famous piece in the

00:09:17.360 New York Times on the front page. It was some low level staffer, but they said, I'm in the Trump

00:09:23.360 administration. Don't worry. I'm fighting from within to like sabotage everything he's doing.

00:09:29.540 Yeah. And you got a lot of that just outright subversion. You also had another case where

00:09:34.700 I believe it was towards the end of his first term. Trump was ordering a drawdown in the troops

00:09:40.840 in Syria because we had thousands and thousands of troops ostensibly fighting ISIS, but really

00:09:46.400 undermining the Assad regime. And Trump, on no less than two occasions, gave the order

00:09:52.200 withdraw from Syria. And the generals just disobeyed. They'd refused to implement it.

00:09:58.480 And not only that, but they lied about the troop totals to Trump himself in Iraq and Syria. So

00:10:05.840 you just have this downright subversion, disloyalty. Personnel is policy, is like the

00:10:13.060 biggest thing. And in 2020, in January 2020, they fired their head of PPO, which is a personnel

00:10:21.280 office. They hired a new guy named John McEntee. He was a campaign loyalist. He was there in the

00:10:28.280 2016 campaign. I think they brought him on in 2015, in late 2015. And this guy in 2020

00:10:35.020 implemented like loyalty tests. Like you had to pledge allegiance to Trump to keep your job.

00:10:40.660 and he was interviewing people

00:10:42.540 also for ideological consistency.

00:10:46.620 And so in 2020,

00:10:47.320 they were getting a lot of the bad people out,

00:10:49.700 good people in,

00:10:50.920 and things started to change.

00:10:52.640 They started building the wall.

00:10:54.180 A lot of things started to get better,

00:10:56.020 but it was just too little too late.

00:10:57.820 And then the COVID pandemic hit

00:10:59.640 and BLM happened.

00:11:02.200 But point being-

00:11:03.200 And he would never back off the rhetoric of like,

00:11:05.340 I did this vaccine.

00:11:06.620 It's like, dude, your own base hates it.

00:11:09.640 he finally did back off at this point but it's like even all throughout the you know i call it

00:11:15.360 the dark ages of you know the the auto pen presidency even for four years he was still

00:11:20.800 like bragging about things that people hate right and then not even mentioning the things that got

00:11:26.260 him elected in the first place the things that people love well and that's such a huge part of

00:11:31.060 it because not only did you have the failure of the personnel in the first term but you also had

00:11:36.700 this assimilation where trump ran in 16 truly as an independent uh with it was a stark break

00:11:44.880 not just from the radical left but also from the establishment right right because in 2015 jeb bush

00:11:50.780 he was the front runner actually in the early phases of the primary and he couldn't make up

00:11:57.120 his mind on whether we were going to defend the legacy of the iraq war like that's how bad it was

00:12:02.480 in 15. And that's what Trump got him on early on. He said, you know, it was a mistake. It wasn't a

00:12:07.900 mistake. They can't even make up their mind on something that is so obviously unpopular.

00:12:12.660 And so Trump breaks with the GOP in 15 and says, we're against free trade. We're against mass

00:12:20.220 migration. We're against foreign wars. That's like a independent platform. That's like a populist 0.71

00:12:26.400 nationalist platform. But by 2020, he starts sounding like a regular conservative. He's

00:12:32.880 running on the Tax Cut and Jobs Act, which is a corporate tax cut. And a corporate tax cut is very

00:12:38.860 different than tariffs and going after free trade. He starts running on lowest black unemployment,

00:12:46.640 best stock market in history. He changes his tune on almost every issue. And people basically say

00:12:53.140 this is unrecognizable he ran as an independent in 2016 in 2020 he's running like a republican

00:12:59.260 and that so there's this ideological capture as well and so for me in 2024 i wasn't i was

00:13:08.360 actually rooting for him in the primary against desantis and against uh nikki haley but i was

00:13:15.500 looking to see if he had learned his lesson from the first term i was open to it uh but it became

00:13:22.300 clear by 2024 who was running the campaign it was chris lasavita suzy wiles these people are

00:13:30.000 terrible these are like gop consultants and they are they epitomize that kind of consulting class

00:13:37.100 that trump railed against in 16 that he hated that are really part of the problem not only that but

00:13:43.360 they weren't loyal to him they weren't loyal to him on january 6th and shortly afterward and

00:13:49.720 they're not ideologically America first. And so it was around the summer of 2024 when they pushed

00:13:57.300 out Project 2025, where a lot of the loyalists were involved. This was a project to staff the

00:14:04.120 White House with the right people. If Susie Wiles and La Cervita were pushing out Project 2025,

00:14:11.560 I said, then clearly Trump has not learned his lesson. And in 24, we're going to get more of

00:14:16.000 same and trump gets elected in 24 the transition starts and who do they start putting up for the

00:14:23.520 cabinet marco rubio her secretary of state deja vu all over again you know in the first white house

00:14:29.920 it's all rubio's people now in 24 he is the the third most powerful person in the cabinet scripture

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00:15:44.240 shop now at nutricel.store with this for a second let's pause um so i remember you know still to

00:15:54.080 this day you know everybody you know for me it's a smaller scale but it's the same concept you know

00:15:59.260 it's like well you did this once upon a time you know like you have a million conspiracies you know

00:16:04.160 or controversies you know every every week there's like two or three but there's you know the big ones

00:16:08.960 that kind of stay with you you know like over the course of 10 years you know because people need a

00:16:14.000 soundbite. They needed to be short, concise. So if it's Nick Fuentes, it's like, well, he's a gay

00:16:18.780 Mexican fed. There's the top three, the big ones. But another one that kind of became a regular one 1.00

00:16:26.740 with all your detractors that would try to silence you or marginalize you is he told people to vote

00:16:32.480 for Kamala. Now I went back and tried to watch some of those things and see like, is there truth

00:16:38.100 in that? And I think there's a couple options from what I've seen. And I want to give you a chance

00:16:42.120 just to clear the air. 0.78

00:16:44.260 Number one, there really is a political strategy.

00:16:47.280 This is what I've realized is just

00:16:48.340 a lot of people don't understand politics.

00:16:50.320 And I'm including myself in that.

00:16:51.600 I'm a late bloomer.

00:16:52.880 Because for me, it was just, you know, I'm a pastor.

00:16:55.220 And so it was all just, it's theology.

00:16:57.940 It's, you know, it's a spiritual war

00:16:59.740 against light and darkness.

00:17:00.600 And all those things are true.

00:17:01.860 I think at the 30,000 foot view, it's really what it is.

00:17:04.920 I mean, it's just, it's angels versus demons.

00:17:06.820 It's dark versus light.

00:17:08.320 Like that really is what it is.

00:17:09.860 but you know one of the verses that always kind of like stuck with me and I finally had to you

00:17:16.220 know grapple with it is in first Timothy Paul the apostle is writing under the inspiration of the

00:17:21.980 spirit to a mentee you know a son in the faith Timothy who's a young man he's a pastor and he

00:17:28.680 says rebuke your opponents with gentleness not knowing if God might grant to them repentance

00:17:35.280 right this guy who's an enemy could become a friend god might grant to them repentance and

00:17:40.060 then he goes on he says and that they might be freed after having been taken captive by the devil

00:17:47.480 to do his bidding so everybody christians evangelicals catholics we all go to like

00:17:53.160 ephesians that says our battle is not with flesh and blood but principalities and that's true as

00:17:58.200 far as it goes and the ultimate reality if you're looking at the top level yeah it's a spiritual

00:18:02.880 battle, right? It really is. The culture war is a spiritual war. You know, the political war is a

00:18:07.880 spiritual war. It's a battle, angels and demons, dark versus light. But our battle's not with flesh

00:18:13.260 and blood. True. The Bible says it, but with principalities and spiritual powers. But those

00:18:19.320 spiritual powers, if we look at more of the Bible, actually take flesh and blood captive and employ

00:18:26.280 flesh and blood in their ranks. So even though, yes, my arch enemy is the arch enemy of Christ, 0.64

00:18:32.440 it is the devil himself. That devil, who's the source of all enmity, he employs people

00:18:40.660 in his platoon, in his armies. And so all throughout the Psalms, when you're reading

00:18:47.160 like David in the Psalms, he's constantly talking about his human enemies, his flesh and blood

00:18:52.200 enemies. And I feel like Christians today, Western Christians, especially in America,

00:18:56.960 they have no framework for that kind of language of talking about enemies because they're just

00:19:02.200 too nice they don't actually have any enemies but jesus literally said um the world hated me

00:19:08.820 and because the world hated me uh if you look anything like me it's going to hate you too

00:19:13.120 right if you don't have any human enemies not just the 17th dimension ethereal you know spiritual

00:19:18.580 that are real but if that's the only enemy you have is spiritual enemies and no human enemies

00:19:24.080 then then you're probably not doing a good job being a representative of christ because spoiler

00:19:28.980 alert, if anybody hasn't finished the story, they kill him. Somebody didn't like him. And it wasn't

00:19:36.000 just a demonic spirit comes and nails him to the cross, but people hated Jesus. A lot of guys loved

00:19:42.620 him, but a lot of guys hated him as well. And so with all that being said, I'm starting to say,

00:19:49.440 okay, there's the spiritual war, that's paramount, but there also are God who stands above it all

00:19:56.000 in his sovereignty, he's providentially working out all the implications of the spiritual war

00:20:01.540 in temporal, earthly, tangible, human ways. There are human actors, right? So I can't be a Christian

00:20:09.120 and not care about politics, okay? And so as I've started, all that long way of saying,

00:20:15.020 as I've started kind of delving in and beginning this political journey, and I mean, on the Lord's

00:20:21.260 day, it's word and sacrament. I'm preaching through books of the Bible. It's the Lord's

00:20:24.580 supper. It's baptism. It's those things. I think that's belonging to the church and the church's 0.76

00:20:29.100 calling. But Monday through Saturday, I'm not just a pastor. I'm also a citizen of the United

00:20:34.460 States. I'm also just an individual Christian man and a husband and a father. I've got five kids

00:20:39.300 and they happen to be white. And I know the world hates them and I want them to have a fighting 0.88

00:20:43.780 chance. And I know that I must be politically engaged to give them even a hope at a future.

00:20:51.400 And so as I've started to embark in politics, I've realized that the purity spiraling, beautiful loser kind of thing that I'll be honest, I'm inclined towards as a pastor.

00:21:02.140 Pastors and evangelical Christians, we work in this kind of a paradigm of the ideal.

00:21:09.000 But in reality, that's not always the way that the world works.

00:21:13.220 And so as I've become more politically mindful, I've realized, yes, sometimes you just have to actually say, not critiquing after, but before, when you actually still have the levers of power, when the guy's running, when he's actually campaigning, when it's election season, sometimes you have to say, hey, dude, I will literally straight up vote for your opponent if you don't get it together.

00:21:35.860 now pastorally in the christian kind of realm ideologically it's like dude nick you can't be

00:21:44.980 serious vote for kamala the nation is done we got 30 40 million immigrants under the auto pen

00:21:51.820 the borders are we get 30 40 more like i can do the math we never win an election ever again and

00:21:58.440 i understand it's more of the same two sides of one coin gop the democrats but like dude you're

00:22:03.260 like, and so a lot of people were mad at you. Yeah. And I'll be honest. I saw that and I was

00:22:07.420 like, dude, I think you've got some good takes, but this ain't it chief. You know, like, like

00:22:11.560 you're, you're going to kill the country. So even some of my friends, even some of my pastor buddies,

00:22:16.740 you know, like knowing that we were going to do this and like, you're like, and they weren't even 0.95

00:22:20.980 like, you're going to have the gay fed Mexican. No, it was like, you're going to have the guy 0.84

00:22:24.560 who, who said, you know, encouraged. Cause people listen to you millions of young men to go out and

00:22:29.940 vote for kamala that guy he can't be our guy right that's a that's a um that's just an edgelore

00:22:36.200 um provocateur that that's uh that dude he's america first no he hates america clarify that

00:22:43.480 yeah well what i actually said last year because i never told anybody to vote for kamala and i

00:22:50.840 didn't vote for i didn't think you did you just said trump has to get together or i'll withhold

00:22:55.080 my vote from him exactly well and so you know when people say you told people to vote for kamala that

00:23:01.700 is a lie okay and it's uh that was a political lie and it was a it was a political lie that people

00:23:09.620 intentionally created because they didn't like what i was actually saying and what i was actually

00:23:15.200 saying is that we need to pay attention to trump's campaign rhetoric and what he's really promising

00:23:20.520 And so this was in response to two things in particular, which I think anybody would find troubling. Last year, or I guess, depending on when we're filming this and when it releases, it was in May of 2024. Nikki Haley goes to Israel and she endorses Trump.

00:23:39.560 Classic.

00:23:40.280 Oh, yeah.

00:23:41.400 One of many trips.

00:23:43.340 Nikki Haley goes to Israel on behalf, she says, of the Trump campaign.

00:23:48.720 She drops out of the race.

00:23:50.840 She endorses Trump.

00:23:52.480 And in the same week, Miriam Adelson commits to give Trump $100 million.

00:23:57.160 The Adelsons are right here.

00:23:59.120 They are.

00:23:59.560 Because I'm in Texas, and they're right up there in DFW.

00:24:02.040 We've got friends there.

00:24:02.900 I mean, they were an inch away from putting that casino in there,

00:24:05.920 that would just economically and just culturally,

00:24:08.940 I mean, it would draw like flies,

00:24:11.220 you know, just degeneracy and they're bad news. 1.00

00:24:14.400 They are, and they're Israel first. 1.00

00:24:16.600 Yes.

00:24:16.840 Everyone knows that, that they're single issue voters 1.00

00:24:19.620 and Miriam is worse than Sheldon 1.00

00:24:21.720 because she's actually Israeli. 0.99

00:24:23.540 Her late husband, oh yeah, he's American, she's Israeli.

00:24:27.560 She's way more hardcore actually than he is, 0.74

00:24:30.140 which is somewhat ironic.

00:24:31.940 And so you have this quid pro quo in the spring

00:24:34.900 where Nikki Haley is a client of Miriam Adelson, always has been.

00:24:40.540 So Haley, and she's a neocon, major part of the problem.

00:24:45.680 She drops out of the race, visits Israel, endorses Trump,

00:24:49.140 and the deal is then Adelson will give Trump all this money.

00:24:52.960 And the question is, what did Trump give in return?

00:24:55.640 And it's reported that Trump has committed that he's going to allow Israel

00:25:00.020 to annex the West Bank and that he will confront Iran.

00:25:03.520 because this is happening in the context of the Gaza war

00:25:06.560 and the broader regional war

00:25:08.060 where Israel is constantly provoking Iran into a battle,

00:25:12.860 which they hope will draw in the United States

00:25:15.240 to destroy Iran or have regime change in Iran.

00:25:18.920 That was the first thing I didn't like.

00:25:21.140 And I said, if Trump is elected,

00:25:23.080 there's a real risk that we're going to go to war with Iran.

00:25:26.920 And a lot of people, that just wasn't even on their radar

00:25:29.480 because people were not paying attention.

00:25:31.160 And so they saw Gaza because that's the headline and that it was that stage of the conflict.

00:25:37.120 But anybody who was paying attention knew it was going towards Iran.

00:25:41.500 That is where it's been building for over a decade, really ever since Trump's first term, because it was Trump that withdrew us from the Iran deal.

00:25:50.140 And not to get too into the weeds, but point being is that is something that wasn't on people's radar.

00:25:55.080 But I did accurately predict. I said there's going to be a significant effort to bring the United States to war. And under Trump, it's far more likely because he's got backing from the Israel lobby. His administration will be filled with people from South Florida who are loyal to the Israel lobby in South Florida, as it's a major hub of pro-Israel Jews there, Jewish donors. That's what makes up the GOP down there. 0.72

00:26:18.880 I said, so that's one. Two, he does a fundraiser at David Sachs' house in San Francisco.

00:26:27.800 Is he on, is he one of the guys on the All In podcast?

00:26:30.920 Yes.

00:26:31.140 David Sachs?

00:26:31.620 Okay.

00:26:31.880 Yes, he's from the PayPal mafia, major Silicon Valley connector. So Trump does a big fundraiser,

00:26:39.100 which this was brought together by J.D. Vance at David Sachs' house. And all the Silicon Valley

00:26:44.900 money is now going to go behind Trump. All of the Silicon Valley money from little tech. And

00:26:51.740 these are venture capitalists. These are smaller tech firms that aim to disrupt big tech and

00:26:58.200 Silicon Valley with like the next wave of technologies, big data, AI, VR, some of the

00:27:05.600 defense stuff. Not to put you on the spot, but could you name, do you have on the top of your

00:27:10.260 mind a couple of the names of companies some of these sure what's an example palantir okay is

00:27:15.720 part of little tech uh anduril which works very closely with palantir is another little tech

00:27:21.260 company uh palantir does the big data okay um and software anduril does drones and vr

00:27:28.540 and so a lot of government contracts and another one's andreason horowitz which is a venture

00:27:33.420 capital firm okay and mark andreason and ben horowitz they put a lot of money behind trump

00:27:38.200 in 24 and they're invested in all these silicon valley companies those are just a few but so do

00:27:44.700 you remember when i think alex car so peter thiel you know was a big part of the launch of paypal

00:27:49.100 or um palantir and is still involved alex carp ceo who he's jewish right alex carp yes so peter

00:27:56.460 thiel gay uh alex car jewish match made in heaven what could go wrong but uh alex carp correct me

00:28:02.960 if I'm, this is just, you know, rumors, but I'm pretty sure at one point he said that his greatest

00:28:08.340 fear, right, he's, I'm on the right, I'm against, you know, the extreme left, but he said, my greatest

00:28:13.740 fear is the Christian nationalists take control and throw me out of a window. Yes. And he has

00:28:20.180 control over facial recognition software with an administration that wants anti-Semitism laws, 0.65

00:28:28.740 and this is good right yeah that's a real quote and you know alex carp he's jewish he's very pro

00:28:37.400 israel and like many jews he yeah he said that he's paranoid that christian nationalists are

00:28:43.380 going to come to power take him out i'm a christian nationalist that's not good no no and

00:28:48.200 they maintain an enemies list palantir maintains a list of millions of americans that they consider

00:28:53.700 to be potential subversives dissidents you're for sure on the list do you think i would be

00:28:58.800 certainly yeah certainly and if it's in the millions it's your viewers yeah it's my viewers

00:29:04.540 yeah there's not a two million podcasters it's it's ordinary americans um and that's just their

00:29:11.280 that's just some of their you could argue their deeper ideology or something having to do with

00:29:17.980 their religion but you don't even have to go that deep because the bigger thing with silicon

00:29:23.520 valley which isn't even a conspiracy theory or deniable is that what they really are after is

00:29:29.400 cheap labor yeah because when trump does his fundraiser with silicon valley they aim to

00:29:35.700 disrupt the tech world with government contracts and other things and their big push now of course

00:29:41.940 is ai they want to build these data centers um they want to bring chip manufacturing to the united

00:29:48.060 states there's a lot of things they want to bring to they want to build an anduril drone plant in

00:29:53.080 ohio is that with the chip is taiwan would be the biggest right tsmc yes right and and that are you 0.83

00:30:01.960 under the impression like i know that you know china is the boogeyman all the time and you've 0.74

00:30:06.460 kind of pointed that out that um yeah china's not great but maybe not quite like the number 0.75

00:30:12.140 one supreme enemy of that we should be worried about on a daily basis as americans but would 0.99

00:30:17.720 you say yeah but uh taiwan will eventually probably be china i think it's inevitable i think it is 0.70

00:30:24.840 just because of the distance from china and it's in our interest to then we do need some chips

00:30:30.300 right yes and i'm in favor of that which trump and biden have there there's been a new bipartisan

00:30:36.580 consensus since trump that this is a problem and by the problem i mean supply chains which is how

00:30:44.160 do we get our electronics uh how do we secure critical minerals of which china mines and

00:30:49.340 processes almost all of them at the time of our recording that was just kind of the thing last

00:30:54.240 week in the market biggest biggest uh dip since april yes because trump came out and he was like

00:31:00.500 we're gonna do a five million percent tariff you know i think it was like 130 or something like

00:31:05.940 that right well because trump is the one that really introduced in 2016 this idea that we need

00:31:13.540 to very strongly confront China in the Pacific.

00:31:17.680 And then it was the pandemic,

00:31:19.000 which really exposed the vulnerabilities

00:31:20.680 of the supply chain dependency

00:31:23.460 because we get our pharmaceuticals from China, masks,

00:31:26.780 you know, all the things that we needed during the pandemic,

00:31:29.160 we relied on China for them. 0.88

00:31:31.300 All the things we needed. 0.88

00:31:32.240 Right, right.

00:31:33.440 Well, and we do need some of the things from them.

00:31:35.980 And even in wartime, it's things you wouldn't expect.

00:31:39.120 It's not just the military goods,

00:31:40.800 but it's every kind of thing that you might need in a war.

00:31:43.540 And so even in the Biden administration, they were pushing for subsidies for chips.

00:31:48.720 And arguably, it's too little too late, but they are starting to build this ecosystem in Phoenix.

00:31:55.160 I think it's north, right around Scottsdale.

00:31:57.660 They're building like a whole new chip fabrication plant in the United States.

00:32:03.300 Huge investment, which is a good idea.

00:32:07.140 But here's the problem.

00:32:08.580 for things like this and the androil plant and the data centers and the rest of it

00:32:13.900 they want to bring in all this cheap labor from india because who's going to run all this stuff

00:32:19.580 right they don't want to pay americans to get educated they don't want to give americans

00:32:23.840 benefits and high wages they want to bring over cheap labor from india in 1979 israeli prime

00:32:31.680 minister menachem bagan gifted jerry falwell a luxurious learjet 25 worth millions of dollars

00:32:38.600 Officially, it was a token of gratitude for his support.

00:32:41.860 But the truth, it was a transaction.

00:32:45.020 Falwell was now Israel's valuable ally, flying high as a lobbyist in the skies.

00:32:50.280 And from that moment on, Falwell's allegiance soared.

00:32:54.460 His moral majority made backing Israel a core platform,

00:32:58.100 preaching American prosperity hinged upon blessing the Jewish state,

00:33:02.860 or else face God's wrath.

00:33:05.180 Genesis 12 3 was twisted into foreign policy now explore the full account in

00:33:11.360 the hyphenated heresy Judeo Christianity learn how the faith was hijacked and

00:33:16.640 rediscover Christianity on its own historic terms pick up your copy today

00:33:22.160 at amazon.com dude in the in the greater Austin area I always specify I do not

00:33:32.900 live in austin i don't live in austin uh far enough away separate county to hopefully have

00:33:39.320 the police not be defunded but close enough to where you know we have that clientele so to speak

00:33:45.240 but um my neighborhood i mean it's it's half indians yeah you know and like i've got five

00:33:52.000 little kids i got in big trouble for saying this you know year year and a half ago but

00:33:56.080 yeah we like you know we go to the neighborhood swimming pool and i have to explain you know

00:34:02.780 my little girls asking, you know, dad, what, what is this person wearing? You know? And it's not

00:34:08.080 just, you know, like, well, that's a different culture. And even that, I have a problem with

00:34:12.140 that. It's not American. This is America. We don't do that. Right. Like some people are like, okay, 1.00

00:34:18.700 well, if it was a religious distinction as a Christian pastor, then maybe you'd have a leg

00:34:23.160 to stand on and you could, you know, you could criticize that as long as you're super gentle

00:34:27.160 and super nice. And by the time you're done with your criticism, it's not even a criticism even

00:34:31.480 more, but like to criticize culture, cultures are not equal. Western culture is superior and people

00:34:38.740 make culture. So you can connect those dots, you know, like you can criticize a culture. I think 0.96

00:34:45.180 we finally have gotten to that with the Overton window where we can actually say one culture is

00:34:48.900 better than another, but cultures don't grow out of the ether. People make cultures. So if a culture

00:34:54.380 is better, you know, like you can connect those dots are pretty close together. And, you know,

00:34:59.820 as as a pastor i root a lot of that in religion you know um i do think that there are there's

00:35:06.120 something to be said for race and we're going to do a whole episode on that so i think there's a

00:35:09.200 genetic component but um i'm not a race essentialist and i don't think you are either i think

00:35:14.160 you would say christian first right and then and then yes it does matter heritage and those kinds

00:35:19.740 of things and ancestry but christ first is that fair to your position yeah yeah so i you know when

00:35:26.040 I when I'm going to the swimming pool with the girls it's not just a different cultural garb but

00:35:30.380 it's like a lot of it is religious it's like I've got to explain why you know like a 70 year old 0.99

00:35:36.080 Indian woman is showing her midriff you know and has a dot on her forehead and and it's like yeah 0.95

00:35:41.780 it's not just cultural and they're like well we don't do that as Christians like so how how is 0.98

00:35:46.880 that religious and it's like well sweetheart we want to be uh polite we want to be kind but uh

00:35:53.720 you know our neighbor who we love worships sand demons they worship other gods well are those

00:36:01.360 other gods good no those other gods are evil they're demonic um and they're like well i thought

00:36:08.900 america loved jesus america does not love jesus and hasn't for quite some time we used to we used

00:36:15.940 to you know like easter sunday in in manhattan on three towers have like crosses lit up like

00:36:21.960 America used to be incredible and I want my kids to grow up in America that was already gone even

00:36:28.720 by the time I was a kid but you it's not just like we'll just preach the gospel and conversion like

00:36:34.400 it's never less than that so I'm not substituting right it is preach the gospel do the work of an

00:36:39.860 evangelist pray but but it's also we have a flood of foreigners and they're not just incompatible

00:36:47.260 with america culturally we have a flood of foreigners who worship foreign gods and people

00:36:52.360 always point to the right well ruth was a foreigner and she can't yeah but she says your god will be

00:36:56.540 my god your people will be my people implicitly there's a forsaking of the former gods and the 0.90

00:37:02.320 former people she doesn't set up little moab in israel when she moves there and set up you know

00:37:07.420 shrines to you know moabite gods and and bring you know 47 members of her family you know and third

00:37:14.580 cousins to join her. No, she's, she says, I'm, I'm, I'm an Israelite now. That means your people

00:37:20.920 are my people. This place is my place and your God is my God. And by virtue of saying that

00:37:27.520 implicitly, we are meant to assume a forsaking of everything beyond that. And then she gets to be

00:37:34.000 queen. No, but by the fourth generation, right? She marries Boaz. They beget Obed. Obed begets

00:37:40.300 jesse jesse begets david and so by four generations with true forsaking it's only with forsaking that

00:37:47.580 you can have assimilating so if truly there's a forsaking in that first generation there can be

00:37:53.000 a real assimilation religiously culturally you know all these kinds of things and then you get

00:37:58.080 to have all the same private no uh you're gonna have to wait um but uh your great grandchildren

00:38:05.080 they could be president they could be king and david was a man after god's own heart and the

00:38:09.660 best king that israel ever had i feel like that's a reasonable position um but this idea that we

00:38:15.580 can just import people by the millions for cheap labor and in 15 minutes they we consider just as

00:38:23.380 american as you and i it's like what in the what are we talking about right well and there's just 0.68

00:38:28.800 a powerful financial incentive the people that are bringing them here are immigrants themselves

00:38:34.700 Elon Musk and Peter Thiel are both immigrants. 0.98

00:38:37.220 So true, King.

00:38:38.120 Yeah.

00:38:39.000 And, you know, so Vivek, right, his parents are immigrants.

00:38:43.140 Right.

00:38:43.540 All these people that are driving this,

00:38:46.120 they have no attachment to the country or identify identity with it themselves.

00:38:51.920 And anyway, it's a financial incentive.

00:38:55.020 They're not thinking about the long-term implications.

00:38:58.020 And even if they are, they're rationalizing that by the present consideration,

00:39:02.420 which is it's cheap labor and and this was anyway getting back to my problem with trump

00:39:08.360 is he goes to this fundraiser and in order to secure the money from silicon valley

00:39:13.520 he goes on the all-in podcast with david sachs and he commits that he is going to give a green card

00:39:21.400 to every graduate of a university on a foreign student visa which is this is not a new idea

00:39:30.000 They call it stapling green cards to diplomas.

00:39:33.280 We're going to staple a green card to the diploma of every foreign student.

00:39:36.940 It's a very old idea.

00:39:38.680 It went back 15 years.

00:39:40.060 And Obama talked about it.

00:39:41.920 Clinton talked about it.

00:39:43.260 Romney talked about it.

00:39:44.900 Like on both sides, they're in favor of this cheap labor.

00:39:48.080 Charlie Kirk talked about it at one time during the Groyper War six years ago.

00:39:52.540 And so he said this.

00:39:54.180 Charlie Kirk, BFF for you?

00:39:55.420 Oh, yeah, certainly.

00:39:56.360 Well, we could get into him, you know, in another.

00:39:58.020 Yeah, we can do that later.

00:39:58.600 Yeah. But but so Trump says on the All In podcast, we're going to staple green cards to diplomas.

00:40:05.840 And he reiterates this several times throughout the campaign. We want as many H-1Bs and F-1 visas as possible.

00:40:13.200 And so it was in response to these two things and specifically these two things in the summer of 2024, where I said, if Trump gets elected,

00:40:24.220 Are we going to get an infinite amount of foreign labor and legal immigration from India and Asia?

00:40:31.000 I said, and are we going to get a war with Iran?

00:40:33.560 Because if that's the case, then this is not MAGA.

00:40:36.660 This is not America first.

00:40:38.100 This is not what we voted for in 16.

00:40:40.960 And I had a lot of other problems with the campaign, too.

00:40:44.200 But those were the big ones.

00:40:45.580 And I led this campaign in August of last year where I said, look, 0.53

00:40:49.880 if Trump doesn't say that he will not go to war with Iran, if he does not say that we're going 0.70

00:40:57.000 to have an immigration moratorium as opposed to limitless H-1Bs and F-1s, I said, then I'm not

00:41:03.760 voting for him. And I can't tell anybody to vote for him because if there's a question mark on any 0.79

00:41:09.840 of those issues, on either of those issues, it's not really worth it because those are completely

00:41:15.940 contrary. They're actually the opposite of what he promised in 2016. So we led this campaign,

00:41:23.020 me and the Groypers, on True Social, on Twitter. We did an email campaign. We put up a billboard.

00:41:28.920 Were you back on Twitter by then?

00:41:30.320 I was.

00:41:30.920 That's right.

00:41:31.360 I came back in May of 24. And so we led this campaign, and we said, no war with Iran,

00:41:38.340 no more immigration. And if you can't commit to those things, we're not going to vote for you. 0.82

00:41:43.180 And we weren't going to vote for Kamala because we don't support what Kamala believes. 1.00

00:41:47.440 She's terrible. Yeah. Obviously. Yeah. She and she'd be worse even than Trump. But like you said earlier, this was a message to Trump. Hey, get it together if you're serious about winning. 1.00

00:41:57.940 And to me, this is a very important thing that we as the so-called the base of the Republican Party, the base of support, need to understand.

00:42:09.600 When the Republican candidate goes out there,

00:42:12.340 he's pandering to racial and ethnic minorities.

00:42:16.360 He's pandering to the middle and independence.

00:42:18.980 Heritage Americans are always just assumed. 0.89

00:42:21.600 Exactly.

00:42:21.980 Never appreciated, just assumed.

00:42:24.240 And if they're always assuming,

00:42:27.020 and if it's a safe assumption that you're in their column,

00:42:30.020 then they're never going to do anything for you.

00:42:32.040 And as a matter of fact,

00:42:33.780 when they're looking to make compromises,

00:42:35.620 they're going to trade off the things you want

00:42:39.500 for the things that the voters,

00:42:41.740 they do not have yet.

00:42:43.200 I have you so I can give your stuff away.

00:42:46.420 I don't have them.

00:42:47.700 So I'll give your stuff to them.

00:42:49.080 And that's what he did with Silicon Valley

00:42:51.620 and with the Israel lobby.

00:42:53.000 He said, if I want money from Silicon Valley,

00:42:56.220 I need to give them the cheap labor.

00:42:58.180 The base will understand. 1.00

00:42:59.740 If I want Miriam Adelson, 1.00

00:43:01.620 I might have to give her a war with Iran. 0.98

00:43:04.100 The base will understand. 1.00

00:43:05.620 I'll convince them. And so throughout the year, I was trying to convince our own people,

00:43:12.400 take your own side. Because Silicon Valley would not support Trump unless he helped them.

00:43:20.320 That's right. Adelson would not support Trump unless he helped her in Israel. But we would

00:43:26.600 vote for Trump no matter what. And that's why we're the suckers. So this was a very calculated 0.99

00:43:31.500 lie that came out of, and I do believe it's not conspiratorial. They're trying to win a campaign.

00:43:37.600 This was an attack on the campaign. And I think that elements in the campaign turned out this

00:43:42.900 narrative that me and the Groypers were Democrats, or we were pushing Kamala.

00:43:48.100 That's what they were doing, yeah.

00:43:48.900 It was a malicious lie. And a lot of people bought into that, but I'm okay with that.

00:43:53.160 They've done the same thing. And maybe, well, because we're going to do a whole episode where

00:43:56.420 we talk about J.D. Vance.

00:43:57.740 Right.

00:43:58.000 And they've done the same thing, you know, in regards to Gavin Newsom.

00:44:01.520 Right.

00:44:01.740 Oh, what a Chad.

00:44:03.220 He's so based, you know.

00:44:05.240 And I feel like, you know, like, I think that one, I do think I've seen clips where you have gone a little further.

00:44:13.460 Yes.

00:44:14.060 You know, than what you did with, you know, I'll vote for Kamala.

00:44:17.460 That one, you have gone further.

00:44:19.160 But I feel like it's probably fair to say, at least in principle, conceptually, same strategy.

00:44:25.020 Oh, absolutely.

00:44:26.120 Right.

00:44:26.480 Absolutely.

00:44:26.840 even though like you with trump you can at least say no but there was a time really was animated

00:44:33.220 by that guy oh yeah really appreciated that guy whereas vance you've kind of never been for

00:44:38.700 exactly and with trump this is the other thing about him people and you know not to sound

00:44:46.620 condescending or patronizing but you say that you weren't really on board with trump in 16 and

00:44:52.580 that's true with a lot of people because i just wasn't politically savvy it wasn't like i saw

00:44:56.820 something and made this like i would have said it at the time right like i'm sure i would have said

00:45:01.080 it i would have said well i i see this issue and because of this issue i'm making a calculated

00:45:05.440 decision here's the reality though me and everybody else it's because uh we just didn't

00:45:11.060 really care about politics in part right because our lives weren't falling apart in 2016 the way

00:45:16.080 they were later down the road right like every part of the reason everybody's become more political

00:45:21.140 because they've realized, oh, it actually matters, you know? 1.00

00:45:24.440 And I just was, you know, stupid enough 0.99

00:45:27.240 to where it took a little bit of pain to wake me up. 0.99

00:45:29.880 Yeah, and that was a lot of people.

00:45:31.780 And Trump in 16 was very new and very divisive

00:45:36.060 and kind of shocking.

00:45:37.300 He was sort of like shock therapy

00:45:38.840 in a cultural sense for the country.

00:45:41.540 And so many people that were here for 24,

00:45:45.520 this is a tale often told, were not there for 16.

00:45:48.480 And the reason that that matters is because in 2016, first of all, that's when he was at his peak.

00:45:56.840 That's when he was in his prime.

00:45:58.420 That was the victory, miraculous victory in the primary against 16 other Republicans.

00:46:05.340 And then in the general against Clinton, which is what made him this iconic figure, really cemented his legacy.

00:46:12.300 That was the movement.

00:46:13.280 And what I tell people on my show, which is hard to kind of convey now if you weren't there for it in 16, and we sort of touched on this, how he was an independent and he had these like populist issues.

00:46:26.480 In 16, it was a completely different proposition.

00:46:29.820 And the proposition that he laid out in his announcement speech in June 2015 was this.

00:46:36.340 He said, politicians are all talk, no action.

00:46:40.760 He said, and the reason that they're all talking no action is because they're being paid. He said, they are being paid. We have a corrupt system that is run by donors, consultants, special interests, international banks. He even said, he said, and because the politicians are all bribed, that's why they're never going to deliver real change.

00:47:03.680 They're not putting Americans first.

00:47:05.400 They're putting special interest donors and foreign countries first.

00:47:08.800 He said, but I'm rich.

00:47:11.800 He said, I'm so rich.

00:47:13.260 I'm a billionaire.

00:47:14.380 I don't need their money.

00:47:15.920 I don't need donors and super PACs and all that.

00:47:18.900 He said, and because of that, I can change the system and I can deliver real change,

00:47:25.740 real victories, not like the kind of BS, you know, the press conference.

00:47:31.480 Right.

00:47:31.600 He said, no, I'm actually, he said, and it's my favorite line in his announcement speech, he said, we need a leader.

00:47:39.500 He said, we need someone that can literally take this country and make it great again.

00:47:44.380 And like, maybe he was saying that in a flippant way, but what I hear in that is decisive action.

00:47:51.480 We need one leader who's going to literally take the country and change it.

00:47:58.340 Like Napoleon.

00:47:59.160 Exactly.

00:47:59.660 Right. He who saves his country violates no laws. Let's go. Let's go. Yes. And everyone recognizes

00:48:07.440 that in the age of super PACs, in the age of, you know, the corrupt centralized media,

00:48:15.360 in the age of the money that's controlling politics, we do need an intervention like that

00:48:21.360 because the system cannot save itself. It can't deliver change. And so in 16, you have this very

00:48:28.080 distinct message it wasn't we're going to beat the democrats and cut your taxes we're going to

00:48:33.940 beat the radical left blah blah for freedom and small government he said no who he wasn't that

00:48:40.800 just wasn't the language of the 16 campaign he said our country even inside make america great

00:48:47.080 again there's three ideas inside make america great again i know what you're going to say one

00:48:52.160 One is just the assumption that America used to be great.

00:48:57.540 Whereas everybody else, whether it was GOP or Democrat on both sides of the aisle,

00:49:01.720 they would say, America used to be racist.

00:49:03.780 America used to be bigoted.

00:49:04.840 America used to be this.

00:49:06.180 So just to have a guy who's able to look into the past and say, that was good.

00:49:13.040 That was completely novel at the time.

00:49:16.480 That was less revolutionary, though.

00:49:18.100 I think the bigger revolutionary idea, because Republicans were always saying,

00:49:22.160 Like, you know, we love the flag and whatever.

00:49:24.520 But Trump said it was great, but it isn't anymore.

00:49:28.840 But it can be again if we take decisive action.

00:49:32.760 If, like, the people take control over the government, that was so powerful.

00:49:38.860 And so you have this totally new idea.

00:49:42.220 Like, the speeches in 2016 were unbelievable.

00:49:46.360 I mean, there was one where it was so forceful.

00:49:49.780 They were calling it, like, anti-Semitic.

00:49:52.160 Because he went up there and said, Hillary Clinton is a puppet of the international banks and the media and the special interests.

00:49:59.500 He said, this election will determine whether we, the people, retain control over our government.

00:50:06.780 It was like, this was like seriously new and fresh and different.

00:50:12.920 And that was the proposition in 16, was like, it's not about small government and all that, the usual stuff.

00:50:21.200 This is about revanchism. This is about restoring America, greatness, excellence. We just want America to be better. We're going to rally the people. We're going to bypass this sclerotic bureaucratic system with decisive action that comes from the top.

00:50:39.560 Trump's a businessman.

00:50:40.740 He's going to run the government like a business.

00:50:42.860 There's going to be high turnover.

00:50:44.860 People from the outside will come in.

00:50:47.700 It will not be bought by the moneyed power from Wall Street and from the big industries.

00:50:52.860 That was the idea.

00:50:54.400 And in 24, of course, he's taking $200 million from Tim Mellon, a banker,

00:51:01.860 almost $300 million from Elon Musk, the richest man in the world,

00:51:06.560 if there ever was a moneyed interest.

00:51:08.240 Who has done some good things, but also chimped out over H-1B visas at Christmas.

00:51:14.480 Yes.

00:51:14.640 At Christmas. 0.99

00:51:15.800 He's like, hey, I know you're celebrating the birth of our Savior with your family and kids, but also let's get a bunch of Hindus in here. 0.99

00:51:23.380 Right. 1.00

00:51:23.720 It's like, what?

00:51:24.760 Well, and that just gets to the point.

00:51:26.660 It's like Elon's giving him all this money because he wants the labor.

00:51:31.200 The bankers are giving him this money because they want the tax cuts and the deregulation and the kind of financial predictability.

00:51:38.080 Mary Madelson's giving him money because she knows he's going to come in for Israel.

00:51:41.840 And so in 24, even beyond the kind of tangible things like war with Iran or H-1Bs, it's like spiritually, this is not the same movement.

00:51:53.100 Trump became another Republican.

00:51:55.900 And what was really kind of crushing about this is that he was really like a Trojan horse because you knew that he was coming in with the special interests, the donors, the lobbyists, the consultants, the GOP, Chris Lasavita, Susie Wiles, Rubio.

00:52:13.220 he's coming in with all these a parade of terrible people but everyone's gonna buy it because it's

00:52:19.860 him right because it's the look because he's doing the dance because he's got that you know

00:52:24.580 that cachet from the first movement and so i sort of saw him as running on the fumes of the hype of

00:52:32.060 that kind of groundbreaking moment in 16 but really delivering the people back into the hands

00:52:39.200 of the system. Because what he did in 16 was really animate the peasants and the rubes and 0.61

00:52:46.080 the masses to bring the pitchforks and torches to burn it all down, you know, metaphorically, 0.96

00:52:51.860 to really just change the system. And what I saw him doing in 24 is subduing those people,

00:52:58.500 making them complacent, getting them back. Bringing back in the feudal lords, you know.

00:53:02.680 Exactly. Right back into the fold. And so that's why I fundamentally oppose, because I don't doubt

00:53:09.180 is trump 24 better than kamala obviously everyone knows that obviously it's going to be better

00:53:16.400 governance but we have to think bigger than that second order effects long term and is it the best

00:53:24.740 idea that trump is going to deliver these radicals back into the system and here's case in point

00:53:30.680 perfect example of this in 2020 you had like 80 of the republicans believe the election was stolen

00:53:38.160 and was illegitimate, and they were right.

00:53:41.000 In 24, it's like 20% of Republicans

00:53:44.160 believe the election is rigged.

00:53:46.720 So like, once again, people believe now in the system.

00:53:50.640 They believe in legitimacy and efficacy of the system.

00:53:54.200 We're fine.

00:53:54.700 That was one of my biggest fears,

00:53:55.920 and I said it before he was elected.

00:53:57.140 I said, one of my concerns is that if he is elected,

00:54:01.240 it'll be far, far better than Kamala.

00:54:03.680 And overall, I am grateful.

00:54:05.380 i am grateful despite you know the disappointments and all these kinds of things but one fear that i

00:54:10.880 had was um it would just placate right you know it's just like hey we won like you know chat we're

00:54:18.020 back you know like hashtag winning you know and um and they would be like this is you know like

00:54:23.580 the dog you know meme where the house is on fire this is fine yes right you know whereas at least

00:54:28.160 in 2020 i mean the house was on fire i mean literally city's on fire but there was no this

00:54:33.000 is fine sentiment it was like this is not fine we've got to raise hell right like we've got to

00:54:40.060 stop this whereas i think for a lot of people and i've noticed it even with churches and pastors

00:54:44.840 um even friends you know i've noticed they're like uh this is uh far enough it's enough i i'm

00:54:53.920 i'm content with this and i'm i'm not right not content with this i'd be remiss uh right here at

00:54:59.540 the end of the episode if i didn't include the one thing and i did vote for him and i did encourage

00:55:04.620 people to vote for him and i i don't regret it i don't um but on the flip side i have had to you

00:55:12.120 know eat some humble pie right like i'm gonna call some things what i don't like is uh guys

00:55:18.060 who make predictions um is fine in fact guys who don't make predictions that just play it safe all

00:55:23.700 the time i actually actually don't have as much respect for them because it's just easy that's

00:55:28.540 easy to just kind of, you know, like, uh, always take the middle road. So I, I like guys who make

00:55:33.820 predictions, but I, I get frustrated when people, um, when people pivot, but they don't ever admit

00:55:41.380 it. Like I've always said, you know, in the pulpit, you know, when I'm preaching that repentance,

00:55:45.780 right, that's what it is to change. It's to repent. It's, it's like the quintessential

00:55:50.140 Christian virtue. Um, it's, it's not perfection, not in this life. Um, so it's imperfect people,

00:55:57.160 but by the power of the Spirit and through faith, repenting, right?

00:56:01.380 So it's not perfect people, it's repentant people.

00:56:03.360 But repentance, if it be genuine repentance, must be twofold.

00:56:08.020 It has to be both in deed, but also in word.

00:56:11.640 And when a guy pivots on a dime in terms of his actions,

00:56:15.100 but he never verbally admits, like I just, I find it insulting, right?

00:56:19.760 It's basically like looking at all your constituents and saying,

00:56:22.940 now um i know that you can see that i am in my actions doing the precisely opposite thing from 1.00

00:56:29.900 what i was doing 15 minutes ago now will i verbally admit this no because you're so stupid 1.00

00:56:35.200 you're so stupid that i don't have to admit it and i can just pretend as though this is where 1.00

00:56:40.160 i've always been and you'll just eat it up and i think part of the reason people eat it up is 1.00

00:56:44.560 actually not because they're stupid but because they're sinners too like so like even with covid 0.98

00:56:49.760 there was like virtually no one who came out and said man i got this one wrong right but uh still 1.00

00:56:58.000 the wind shifted so the whole country shifted on covet but nobody acknowledged the shift right

00:57:06.360 so everybody all of a sudden is doing an about face and taking precisely the opposite stances

00:57:11.760 that they were taking just a few months prior uh but but simultaneously pretending as though that

00:57:18.160 was their position all along you know and and so for myself it's like i you know i have no problem

00:57:25.600 publicly saying and i think like what do you have to lose i feel like you only build credibility

00:57:29.760 you only build trust i shield for trump i think that was the right move um but in hindsight i have

00:57:39.560 to say this is not going well i shield for him i thought he'd be better i powerful words i was

00:57:46.640 wrong. I was wrong. And you can just say that. And so the last thing that I wanted to say is

00:57:51.140 the sneaking suspicion. So at the time I just, I was wrong. Um, but the sneaking suspicion,

00:57:56.880 the one suspicion I had at the time, and I went against my better judgment was on this one issue.

00:58:03.340 Everything you listed, immigration, war with Iran, all those, those are the big ones, all the,

00:58:08.160 you know, the, the lobbyist and, you know, the funding. But the one thing for me as a pastor

00:58:13.980 was um abortion right and man i mean his rhetoric decisively changed yes from 16 to 2024 on abortion

00:58:26.420 he was not the advocate for life that he was initially i mean he never took as strong of

00:58:33.320 his stance as i personally would have liked but he was the most outspoken i mean he literally said

00:58:37.820 i remember seeing an interview where they asked him you know what about the woman because that's

00:58:42.200 always the narrative is the second victim there's two victims in abortion you know uh one you know

00:58:46.540 and they're both victims it's practically the same thing one you know gets sucked out with a vacuum

00:58:50.760 cleaner and the other one you know uh feels bad about it like two victims like one of them sounds

00:58:56.140 like a victim like an atrocious horrific victim and the other one sounds like a murderer yeah right 1.00

00:59:01.200 and we can't say that because you know women don't sin well it turns out they do um and 0.92

00:59:07.280 I actually agree with you. I wouldn't say it quite the way you do, but women need to shut up. 1.00

00:59:12.800 You add an extra word from time to time, but they do need to shut up. I think that a woman is 1.00

00:59:18.740 powerful in her vocation. I mean, second most powerful person in the land is the wife of a king, 1.00

00:59:26.960 but not formal, informal. She can woo. She can be, the Proverbs speak of a woman who 1.00

00:59:34.820 uh who um the heart of her her husband uh confides in her right that that's a powerful woman esther

00:59:43.180 saves an entire people not because she formally has the scepter but because she has proximity to

00:59:50.300 the one who does you know and so women um can be should be wise nurturing um and certain women

00:59:58.400 by proximity to certain powerful men are, are steering and guiding the future and destiny of

01:00:05.120 entire nations. What a wonderful thing, but they don't need to be wearing boss, babe, you know,

01:00:10.520 pantsuits and telling men what to do on a microphone publicly in a press conference.

01:00:17.040 I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't think that that is the nature of a woman. It shouldn't

01:00:24.100 be and the position of a woman. And so, yes, I believe that in abortion, any man who is coercing, 1.00

01:00:31.460 right? The boyfriend, the father, the uncle, whatever, like he's guilty. That's atrocious.

01:00:36.840 It's sinful. But the woman herself, also, we have to be able to say abortion happens because 0.98

01:00:43.740 women kill babies, right? They make that decision. And Trump, that was the one thing 1.00

01:00:50.160 that I saw. I saw a lot afterwards, right? And realized I was wrong. The one thing that I did

01:00:56.960 see then, and I, against my better judgment, did not chimp out to the degree that I should have,

01:01:04.200 is I should have said, I know he's a different man. This is not 2016 Trump. Because if nothing

01:01:11.280 else, right? You have been following all along. So you could say in 17 different ways, this is

01:01:16.640 a different Trump. Right. But I, as a Christian, as a pastor, I knew that at least in one different

01:01:21.760 way, this was not the same Trump. And I should have investigated that more. Yeah. And, you know,

01:01:27.960 to me, even on that issue, the way that the campaign responded to some of the backlash was

01:01:35.320 extremely telling. Because there were a lot of Christians that were very up in arms. And a lot

01:01:41.320 of them said they wouldn't vote for Trump over this. And this was maybe more focused to Twitter.

01:01:47.460 Trump never said anything like this. But on Twitter, all of the surrogates, all of the paid

01:01:53.200 influencers on Twitter were so belligerent and browbeating the Christians and saying, well, 0.52

01:01:59.680 if this is a problem for you, then you don't want to win and we don't want you. And it was this very

01:02:05.600 defiant the campaign was defiant against its own supporters right which it's like go figure so

01:02:13.200 your base is christians your base is conservatives and catholics there was just i mean i know the

01:02:19.700 catholic doctrine on the sanctity of life and it's right it's great like that's somewhere where you

01:02:24.700 and i i think we absolutely can be co-belligerents you're not going to be an elder in my church

01:02:28.600 and i'm not going to be you know uh in in yours right so that like there's separate spheres right

01:02:33.780 You know, two kingdoms, a kingdom of grace and a kingdom of common.

01:02:37.240 And in that common kingdom, when it comes to culture and politics,

01:02:40.800 that we can be absolutely co-belligerents.

01:02:42.940 And Catholics have a great position on the sanctity of life.

01:02:46.120 And not just in terms of like late abortions and the vacuum cleaner, 0.51

01:02:49.980 but also, I mean, Catholics have held the line with birth control

01:02:53.780 and these kinds of things, you know, for centuries.

01:02:57.440 And one of the big things I noticed was that like the Trump administration

01:03:02.280 started uh celebrating um uh certain uh certain pills that they were going to uh employ and and

01:03:10.460 then also uh in vitro where you know with in vitro like and i know like you know getting a little

01:03:15.360 close to home here but i think you would agree with me i mean i i feel terrible for people who

01:03:20.200 can't conceive i was adopted because my adoptive mother couldn't conceive you know um but in vitro

01:03:25.940 ordinarily they're you know yeah you know some guys can you know play it safe and be careful

01:03:30.520 because they have more knowledge, but nine times out of 10, what you do is, you know, you inseminate

01:03:37.380 20 different eggs and the Catholic position and the evangelical position mirrors that.

01:03:44.860 That's the beginning of life. But 20 of those eggs don't get to live a life. They get frozen,

01:03:52.080 which I know this sounds a little extreme, but I think it's true that, what do you call,

01:03:57.180 i mean it's like a han solo kind of thing you know you get frozen on ice like what do you what do you

01:04:01.400 call someone who's never committed a crime um but um but they're being locked away on ice so it's

01:04:08.460 incarceration without a fair trial you know and then most of those eventually go bad and get

01:04:14.540 flushed you know and so like but trump literally that became not just like hey i'll allow this it

01:04:19.560 became a bragging point it became like uh what what am i going to do on the issue of life that

01:04:24.920 i fought for in 2016 well now i'm gonna um i'm gonna advocate for certain abortion pills and

01:04:31.640 i'm gonna make sure that you know uh three children are born and 17 of them are frozen

01:04:36.920 and eventually flushed down the toilet and and people ate it up right and some christians you

01:04:43.760 know pushed back and good on them but a lot of people ate it up and the ones who pushed back 0.74

01:04:48.200 instead of like you're right this is kind of an about face it was like shut up you're wrong 0.97

01:04:54.640 you're a loser yeah and they pulled the same thing against them that they did against me 0.98

01:05:00.200 they said right you're a democrat you want the other side to win this sort of thing and 0.99

01:05:06.660 and to me that was so telling because it shows a relationship between the actual voters the base

01:05:13.020 and the campaign and the politician which is when the base expects the politician

01:05:18.880 to do what the base wants,

01:05:21.740 the politician is almost insulted and offended,

01:05:25.300 saying, like, you expect me to be pro-life?

01:05:28.360 You expect me to be against in vitro?

01:05:30.640 Well, you know, I need to win an election.

01:05:32.660 It's like, okay, well, then you don't get our votes.

01:05:35.340 And that's, to me, that is what the base of the GOP

01:05:39.540 needs to be comfortable doing.

01:05:41.760 And if that means the Democrat wins, so be it.

01:05:45.820 And people don't like to hear that,

01:05:47.380 But I fail to see literally any other way that we would hold the politicians accountable and that we would start getting what we're promised, what we're owed, because in the end, then what is even the point of winning?

01:06:00.320 Right. They say, well, we're better than the Democrats. I'd sure hope so. We're voting for you. Are we not? I mean, isn't that kind of the bare minimum?

01:06:06.920 And for 30 years, the Republicans have had many opportunities in the White House, in the House, in the Senate, on the Supreme Court. We have controlled all or some of the different branches of government, in some cases, all three together.

01:06:22.820 And yet the country always moves in the same direction, more socially liberal, more war, more financialization, like everything gets worse. And Trump was the kind of recognition that we could break out of the matrix. And then he drew us back into the matrix. That was the problem.

01:06:40.220 So for the past seven or so years, my mission has been in kind of me coming of age, getting older, and seeing the disappointment of Trump 1.0 in the first administration.

01:06:54.020 It's been trying to figure out politically, how do we change the way this works and just make it so that we are getting stuff?

01:07:02.040 Right.

01:07:02.540 We're moving the ball.

01:07:04.040 So Trump, we're grateful for him.

01:07:06.780 But it's time to call spade a spade.

01:07:09.360 He's not the great man.

01:07:10.860 He might be a precursor,

01:07:12.160 but he's not the great man himself.

01:07:14.700 We can be grateful.

01:07:16.240 We can praise where praise is worthy.

01:07:18.020 We can chimp when necessary,

01:07:20.500 but he's not our guy.

01:07:23.660 So who is?

01:07:25.160 We don't have a guy right now.

01:07:26.720 We don't.

01:07:27.120 We don't.

01:07:27.600 We don't have remarkable figure,

01:07:29.520 which is disappointing

01:07:30.720 because it would have been Trump.

01:07:32.300 Trump is, he has so many of the qualities,

01:07:35.080 but he doesn't have the biggest one,

01:07:37.280 which is he doesn't seem to care that much.

01:07:41.040 And on some level, he is truly a great marketing guy,

01:07:45.100 great campaigner, great salesman.

01:07:47.940 And, you know, there's some, he has some ability,

01:07:51.060 but he just does not have that follow through.

01:07:53.820 I don't think he has the ideology.

01:07:55.360 No.

01:07:55.740 I don't think he's ideological.

01:07:57.120 No, you're right.

01:07:57.780 He's just not, you know?

01:07:58.760 And so I think that's what it comes down to is like,

01:08:01.200 he can win an election and he's very political

01:08:04.160 and he understands the mechanisms.

01:08:05.720 he has the manners, he has all the tools and is very competent in those.

01:08:13.560 But beyond the tools, at the very bottom, there has to be the man.

01:08:19.460 And the man himself, at the end of the day, turns out, even if it was by accident,

01:08:25.640 all the people who pushed against him all the way back in 2016, including myself,

01:08:30.880 it's like, I go back to 24, I was wrong.

01:08:33.100 I go all the way back to 2016, I was kind of accidentally right at the bare minimum,

01:08:40.100 all the way down at the center.

01:08:42.120 He really is just a 1990s liberal Democrat.

01:08:45.060 Right.

01:08:45.800 Well, and I think he's somebody that's motivated primarily by vanity.

01:08:50.140 I mean, even in some of the things he's done in his second term, it's about getting the

01:08:54.760 Nobel Peace Prize, acquiring Greenland.

01:08:57.800 That seems to be about his legacy.

01:08:59.600 The Gulf of America.

01:09:00.460 Yeah, this is about all of it. The East Wing expansion in the White House that he's paying for, the American flags on the White House, Greenland, Gulf of America, the Gaza peace deal. All of it is about legacy in the history books. It doesn't seem to me to be really motivated by a kind of self-giving, sacrificial, which is almost what you need to be to be a truly great leader.

01:09:25.560 You really need to kind of become an avatar of the nation.

01:09:30.000 And on some level, he's not ideological.

01:09:34.100 I don't even think there's a ton of depth there.

01:09:36.780 I don't think he's religious, ideological.

01:09:40.060 I don't think there's a very strong will there beyond his own exaltation, his own vanity.

01:09:47.820 And I don't say that completely cynically because there are some positive externalities.

01:09:52.740 It's not all bad.

01:09:53.680 It's not all negative.

01:09:54.540 And he's a remarkable figure. And I think on net his legacy will be positive. But will he deliver that transformational change? He can't tap into anything deeper because I don't think there's anything there at the center. I think there's a hollowness which characterizes Trump and his movement.

01:10:12.340 And I've compared it to Vaporware. And in 2016, the political movement or the cultural movement surrounding Trump was called Vaporwave on 4chan and on the Internet. Vaporwave was a genre of music and art on the Internet.

01:10:30.060 It was like had an 80s aesthetic, distorted sounds.

01:10:35.960 And in this mirror is vaporware, which is products in the 80s that were marketed, but

01:10:43.040 which never actually arrived, you know, and there was the latest, greatest thing, but

01:10:46.900 it wasn't real.

01:10:47.720 That's there's something it had a quality like vapor.

01:10:51.040 And it's so fitting because that Trump is a product of the vaporware 80s, you know,

01:10:57.220 Trump Tower, Trump Casino, the Trump name, the idea is it's the greatest, it's the best.

01:11:04.280 But is there anything really tangibly there? No, like there's something actually missing.

01:11:10.760 And Vaporwave is what followed his campaign because of his 80s aesthetic. You know,

01:11:15.680 he's a product of 80s and 90s. And his campaign is also Vaporware, Vaporwave. It's not actually

01:11:22.960 there there's nothing you know did he actually make america great again no uh and maybe he never

01:11:29.040 intended to so so there's something deeply disappointing about all of it and i agree

01:11:36.800 though that i think it is a it is prefiguring something to come because he did tap into

01:11:44.280 something that is real right there is not in himself no but in the nation yes and and even

01:11:50.560 in the world. I mean, there's this populist uprising. He's sort of like a harbinger of

01:11:56.160 things to come. He's like a horseman of this inflection point on a global scale. So he has

01:12:02.180 awakened the future leader. Whoever the future leader is, he was animated and inspired by Trump.

01:12:09.660 And I believe that that person will come maybe in 28, 32, but he will come in the future. I'm

01:12:17.000 a big believer in that. Me too. Great insights. Thank you for your time. Good episode. Yeah,

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The NXR Podcast - February 11, 2026

THE SPECIAL - Trump Is Not Our Guy (w⧸Nick Fuentes) - EP7

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