The NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - Trump Is Not Our Guy (w⧸Nick Fuentes) - EP7

00:00:00 What he did in 16 was really animate the peasants and the rubes and the masses to bring the pitchforks and torches to burn it all down, you know, metaphorically, to really just change the system. 0.93

00:00:12 And what I saw him doing in 24 is subduing those people, making them complacent, getting them back. 0.82

00:00:18 Bringing them back in the feudal lords, you know.

00:00:21 Exactly.

00:00:21 Right back into the fold.

00:00:23 And so that's why I fundamentally oppose, because I don't doubt, is Trump 24 better than Kamala? Obviously. Everyone knows that. Obviously, it's going to be better governance. But we have to think bigger than that. Second order effects, long term. And is it the best idea that Trump is going to deliver these radicals back into the system?

00:00:47 And here's case in point. Perfect example of this. In 2020, you had like 80 percent of the Republicans believe the election was stolen and was illegitimate and they were right. In 24, it's like 20 percent of Republicans believe the election is rigged.

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00:02:43 Radical Christian nationalist pastor, Joel Webin. Joel Webin? I'm going to talk about Joel Webin.

00:02:50 Joel Webin is an accident.

00:02:56 all right donald j trump i gotta be honest i was a bit of a normie back in 2016

00:03:18 i didn't vote for hillary of course but i also just couldn't quite bring myself to vote for

00:03:23 trump part of my reasoning was i was in california a vote for trump in california is just pissing in

00:03:30 the wind you know so i didn't feel terrible about it but i did third party i wasted my vote you saw

00:03:36 it early you were on the trump train and then 2020 you were still you know standing by him knew that

00:03:41 the election was going to be rigged 2024 you started to feel differently and you voiced that

00:03:47 very clearly very explicitly so i was kind of the opposite you know 2016 i didn't see it

00:03:53 2020 I was there, 2024 I voted for Trump and I shield for him pretty hard, right? All through

00:04:00 the election, you know, in 2024, me and the guys saying, vote for Trump. And yeah, you know, he's

00:04:05 a little bad on this, that, and the other, but Kamala is going to be way worse. You should vote

00:04:09 for him. Now, since being elected, his first year, there's been some things that I'm grateful for,

00:04:16 but I'll be honest, there's been some things I'm like, this is really bad. And I'm finally kind of,

00:04:21 We've done a few episodes calling him out, a few episodes chimping, as the kids say. 1.00

00:04:27 But it's come to a point where I realize I still think he's definitely better than Kamala.

00:04:32 But he's not the great man.

00:04:35 He's not our guy.

00:04:36 And you see that probably clearer than anyone.

00:04:39 You've been there since the beginning.

00:04:42 Why is Trump not our guy?

00:04:45 Well, that's a big question.

00:04:46 And I would say that, you know, in this cycle, in 2024, the reason that I hopped off, because I did consider him at one time to be the great man and our guy, and truly an exceptional figure.

00:05:00 He would be transformative.

00:05:02 He would be in the vein of a Franklin Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan.

00:05:06 To put it very simply, he just is not competent at governing.

00:05:10 that's really kind of the key distinction because a lot of people like what trump represents right

00:05:17 and what trump represents to them is he's not left-wing he's not politically correct he's

00:05:24 patriotic and i think that in his heart of hearts ideologically he's with us he's america first

00:05:31 right because for 30 years he's been against free trade he's been against foreign wars and

00:05:36 immigration. And those were the issues that animated the 2016 campaign. And even to this

00:05:42 day, these are the big issues, whether it's the tariffs, the mass deportations. The foreign policy

00:05:49 has probably changed the most. I'd love to see those mass deportations.

00:05:53 I would like to see them too. Yeah, right. But spiritually, you know, rhetorically, that's still

00:05:58 the message. And I think that in his heart of hearts, that is what he believes. The problem is

00:06:06 there's a disconnect between his own personal ideology and what the administration is actually

00:06:13 doing and how do you account for that disconnect what's the dissonance there because if you

00:06:19 listen to his speeches they're pretty consistent the rhetoric's relatively consistent

00:06:24 it is the implementation by the personnel in the white house and to me that is why

00:06:32 that is one of the major reasons i jumped off in 2024 the disconnect between the administration

00:06:38 his personnel you could kind of forgive with a first turn right right it's like okay he like he

00:06:44 didn't know how bad the swamp was going to be you know he picked some guys but couldn't see it they

00:06:49 turned out to be traitors it's kind of like fool me once shame on you fool me twice you know three

00:06:54 times a lady i think is how bush said it you know but like but the second time it's like i'm a lot

00:06:58 less forgiving it's like this should have been ironed out exactly uh in his first term he had

00:07:04 this excuse that you get elected president and you need personnel to then run the white house

00:07:09 and if you're trying to drain the swamp who do you bring in to actually do this uh

00:07:15 you actually what's that pam bondy pam bondy yeah right well and in the first term you come in with

00:07:22 no people he had a very small campaign and they weren't political people there's a lot of people

00:07:27 he knew from the business world as a lot of people he knew from his his other professions his other

00:07:32 careers of which he's had many and so he relied upon the rnc to staff the white house and so as

00:07:40 ryan's prebis who was the rnc chair he was then put in charge of staffing the white house and

00:07:46 and i knew a lot of people in the first trump administration i would go to washington dc i'd

00:07:52 get lunch with them. I get dinner with them. And they would joke about how if you were loyal to

00:07:58 Trump, if you were on his campaign, it made you less likely to get hired by the Trump administration.

00:08:06 Really? Yes. Why? It would count against you. Why? Because the people that were running the

00:08:11 White House were people from the Rubio campaign, people from the Bush campaign, because these are

00:08:17 Republicans that were part of that revolving door, that permanent bureaucratic political class.

00:08:22 the managerial class right so he was swept in in 16 and there was sort of this panic because

00:08:29 you need to fill 10 000 positions five to 10 000 positions he didn't have anybody so he counted on

00:08:36 the gop they filled it up with their people who were neither personally loyal to trump

00:08:41 nor were they ideologically aligned and so the actual trump loyalists that did agree with him

00:08:49 that were loyal to him, they would be getting interviewed for a position by someone that

00:08:55 worked for Rubio, someone that worked for Bush. And so there was this deep frustration from people

00:09:01 that either got passed over or even people that did get the job because they weren't able to

00:09:06 implement the actual policies. And this is where for four years, you would just have downright

00:09:12 insubordination. You know, there were two really good examples. There was that famous piece in the

00:09:17 New York Times on the front page. It was some low level staffer, but they said, I'm in the Trump

00:09:23 administration. Don't worry. I'm fighting from within to like sabotage everything he's doing.

00:09:29 Yeah. And you got a lot of that just outright subversion. You also had another case where

00:09:34 I believe it was towards the end of his first term. Trump was ordering a drawdown in the troops

00:09:40 in Syria because we had thousands and thousands of troops ostensibly fighting ISIS, but really

00:09:46 undermining the Assad regime. And Trump, on no less than two occasions, gave the order

00:09:52 withdraw from Syria. And the generals just disobeyed. They'd refused to implement it.

00:09:58 And not only that, but they lied about the troop totals to Trump himself in Iraq and Syria. So

00:10:05 you just have this downright subversion, disloyalty. Personnel is policy, is like the

00:10:13 biggest thing. And in 2020, in January 2020, they fired their head of PPO, which is a personnel

00:10:21 office. They hired a new guy named John McEntee. He was a campaign loyalist. He was there in the

00:10:28 2016 campaign. I think they brought him on in 2015, in late 2015. And this guy in 2020

00:10:35 implemented like loyalty tests. Like you had to pledge allegiance to Trump to keep your job.

00:10:40 and he was interviewing people

00:10:42 also for ideological consistency.

00:10:46 And so in 2020,

00:10:47 they were getting a lot of the bad people out,

00:10:49 good people in,

00:10:50 and things started to change.

00:10:52 They started building the wall.

00:10:54 A lot of things started to get better,

00:10:56 but it was just too little too late.

00:10:57 And then the COVID pandemic hit

00:10:59 and BLM happened.

00:11:02 But point being-

00:11:03 And he would never back off the rhetoric of like,

00:11:05 I did this vaccine.

00:11:06 It's like, dude, your own base hates it.

00:11:09 he finally did back off at this point but it's like even all throughout the you know i call it

00:11:15 the dark ages of you know the the auto pen presidency even for four years he was still

00:11:20 like bragging about things that people hate right and then not even mentioning the things that got

00:11:26 him elected in the first place the things that people love well and that's such a huge part of

00:11:31 it because not only did you have the failure of the personnel in the first term but you also had

00:11:36 this assimilation where trump ran in 16 truly as an independent uh with it was a stark break

00:11:44 not just from the radical left but also from the establishment right right because in 2015 jeb bush

00:11:50 he was the front runner actually in the early phases of the primary and he couldn't make up

00:11:57 his mind on whether we were going to defend the legacy of the iraq war like that's how bad it was

00:12:02 in 15. And that's what Trump got him on early on. He said, you know, it was a mistake. It wasn't a

00:12:07 mistake. They can't even make up their mind on something that is so obviously unpopular.

00:12:12 And so Trump breaks with the GOP in 15 and says, we're against free trade. We're against mass

00:12:20 migration. We're against foreign wars. That's like a independent platform. That's like a populist 0.71

00:12:26 nationalist platform. But by 2020, he starts sounding like a regular conservative. He's

00:12:32 running on the Tax Cut and Jobs Act, which is a corporate tax cut. And a corporate tax cut is very

00:12:38 different than tariffs and going after free trade. He starts running on lowest black unemployment,

00:12:46 best stock market in history. He changes his tune on almost every issue. And people basically say

00:12:53 this is unrecognizable he ran as an independent in 2016 in 2020 he's running like a republican

00:12:59 and that so there's this ideological capture as well and so for me in 2024 i wasn't i was

00:13:08 actually rooting for him in the primary against desantis and against uh nikki haley but i was

00:13:15 looking to see if he had learned his lesson from the first term i was open to it uh but it became

00:13:22 clear by 2024 who was running the campaign it was chris lasavita suzy wiles these people are

00:13:30 terrible these are like gop consultants and they are they epitomize that kind of consulting class

00:13:37 that trump railed against in 16 that he hated that are really part of the problem not only that but

00:13:43 they weren't loyal to him they weren't loyal to him on january 6th and shortly afterward and

00:13:49 they're not ideologically America first. And so it was around the summer of 2024 when they pushed

00:13:57 out Project 2025, where a lot of the loyalists were involved. This was a project to staff the

00:14:04 White House with the right people. If Susie Wiles and La Cervita were pushing out Project 2025,

00:14:11 I said, then clearly Trump has not learned his lesson. And in 24, we're going to get more of

00:14:16 same and trump gets elected in 24 the transition starts and who do they start putting up for the

00:14:23 cabinet marco rubio her secretary of state deja vu all over again you know in the first white house

00:14:29 it's all rubio's people now in 24 he is the the third most powerful person in the cabinet scripture

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00:15:44 shop now at nutricel.store with this for a second let's pause um so i remember you know still to

00:15:54 this day you know everybody you know for me it's a smaller scale but it's the same concept you know

00:15:59 it's like well you did this once upon a time you know like you have a million conspiracies you know

00:16:04 or controversies you know every every week there's like two or three but there's you know the big ones

00:16:08 that kind of stay with you you know like over the course of 10 years you know because people need a

00:16:14 soundbite. They needed to be short, concise. So if it's Nick Fuentes, it's like, well, he's a gay

00:16:18 Mexican fed. There's the top three, the big ones. But another one that kind of became a regular one 1.00

00:16:26 with all your detractors that would try to silence you or marginalize you is he told people to vote

00:16:32 for Kamala. Now I went back and tried to watch some of those things and see like, is there truth

00:16:38 in that? And I think there's a couple options from what I've seen. And I want to give you a chance

00:16:42 just to clear the air. 0.78

00:16:44 Number one, there really is a political strategy.

00:16:47 This is what I've realized is just

00:16:48 a lot of people don't understand politics.

00:16:50 And I'm including myself in that.

00:16:51 I'm a late bloomer.

00:16:52 Because for me, it was just, you know, I'm a pastor.

00:16:55 And so it was all just, it's theology.

00:16:57 It's, you know, it's a spiritual war

00:16:59 against light and darkness.

00:17:00 And all those things are true.

00:17:01 I think at the 30,000 foot view, it's really what it is.

00:17:04 I mean, it's just, it's angels versus demons.

00:17:06 It's dark versus light.

00:17:08 Like that really is what it is.

00:17:09 but you know one of the verses that always kind of like stuck with me and I finally had to you

00:17:16 know grapple with it is in first Timothy Paul the apostle is writing under the inspiration of the

00:17:21 spirit to a mentee you know a son in the faith Timothy who's a young man he's a pastor and he

00:17:28 says rebuke your opponents with gentleness not knowing if God might grant to them repentance

00:17:35 right this guy who's an enemy could become a friend god might grant to them repentance and

00:17:40 then he goes on he says and that they might be freed after having been taken captive by the devil

00:17:47 to do his bidding so everybody christians evangelicals catholics we all go to like

00:17:53 ephesians that says our battle is not with flesh and blood but principalities and that's true as

00:17:58 far as it goes and the ultimate reality if you're looking at the top level yeah it's a spiritual

00:18:02 battle, right? It really is. The culture war is a spiritual war. You know, the political war is a

00:18:07 spiritual war. It's a battle, angels and demons, dark versus light. But our battle's not with flesh

00:18:13 and blood. True. The Bible says it, but with principalities and spiritual powers. But those

00:18:19 spiritual powers, if we look at more of the Bible, actually take flesh and blood captive and employ

00:18:26 flesh and blood in their ranks. So even though, yes, my arch enemy is the arch enemy of Christ, 0.64

00:18:32 it is the devil himself. That devil, who's the source of all enmity, he employs people

00:18:40 in his platoon, in his armies. And so all throughout the Psalms, when you're reading

00:18:47 like David in the Psalms, he's constantly talking about his human enemies, his flesh and blood

00:18:52 enemies. And I feel like Christians today, Western Christians, especially in America,

00:18:56 they have no framework for that kind of language of talking about enemies because they're just

00:19:02 too nice they don't actually have any enemies but jesus literally said um the world hated me

00:19:08 and because the world hated me uh if you look anything like me it's going to hate you too

00:19:13 right if you don't have any human enemies not just the 17th dimension ethereal you know spiritual

00:19:18 that are real but if that's the only enemy you have is spiritual enemies and no human enemies

00:19:24 then then you're probably not doing a good job being a representative of christ because spoiler

00:19:28 alert, if anybody hasn't finished the story, they kill him. Somebody didn't like him. And it wasn't

00:19:36 just a demonic spirit comes and nails him to the cross, but people hated Jesus. A lot of guys loved

00:19:42 him, but a lot of guys hated him as well. And so with all that being said, I'm starting to say,

00:19:49 okay, there's the spiritual war, that's paramount, but there also are God who stands above it all

00:19:56 in his sovereignty, he's providentially working out all the implications of the spiritual war

00:20:01 in temporal, earthly, tangible, human ways. There are human actors, right? So I can't be a Christian

00:20:09 and not care about politics, okay? And so as I've started, all that long way of saying,

00:20:15 as I've started kind of delving in and beginning this political journey, and I mean, on the Lord's

00:20:21 day, it's word and sacrament. I'm preaching through books of the Bible. It's the Lord's

00:20:24 supper. It's baptism. It's those things. I think that's belonging to the church and the church's 0.76

00:20:29 calling. But Monday through Saturday, I'm not just a pastor. I'm also a citizen of the United

00:20:34 States. I'm also just an individual Christian man and a husband and a father. I've got five kids

00:20:39 and they happen to be white. And I know the world hates them and I want them to have a fighting 0.88

00:20:43 chance. And I know that I must be politically engaged to give them even a hope at a future.

00:20:51 And so as I've started to embark in politics, I've realized that the purity spiraling, beautiful loser kind of thing that I'll be honest, I'm inclined towards as a pastor.

00:21:02 Pastors and evangelical Christians, we work in this kind of a paradigm of the ideal.

00:21:09 But in reality, that's not always the way that the world works.

00:21:13 And so as I've become more politically mindful, I've realized, yes, sometimes you just have to actually say, not critiquing after, but before, when you actually still have the levers of power, when the guy's running, when he's actually campaigning, when it's election season, sometimes you have to say, hey, dude, I will literally straight up vote for your opponent if you don't get it together.

00:21:35 now pastorally in the christian kind of realm ideologically it's like dude nick you can't be

00:21:44 serious vote for kamala the nation is done we got 30 40 million immigrants under the auto pen

00:21:51 the borders are we get 30 40 more like i can do the math we never win an election ever again and

00:21:58 i understand it's more of the same two sides of one coin gop the democrats but like dude you're

00:22:03 like, and so a lot of people were mad at you. Yeah. And I'll be honest. I saw that and I was

00:22:07 like, dude, I think you've got some good takes, but this ain't it chief. You know, like, like

00:22:11 you're, you're going to kill the country. So even some of my friends, even some of my pastor buddies,

00:22:16 you know, like knowing that we were going to do this and like, you're like, and they weren't even 0.95

00:22:20 like, you're going to have the gay fed Mexican. No, it was like, you're going to have the guy 0.84

00:22:24 who, who said, you know, encouraged. Cause people listen to you millions of young men to go out and

00:22:29 vote for kamala that guy he can't be our guy right that's a that's a um that's just an edgelore

00:22:36 um provocateur that that's uh that dude he's america first no he hates america clarify that

00:22:43 yeah well what i actually said last year because i never told anybody to vote for kamala and i

00:22:50 didn't vote for i didn't think you did you just said trump has to get together or i'll withhold

00:22:55 my vote from him exactly well and so you know when people say you told people to vote for kamala that

00:23:01 is a lie okay and it's uh that was a political lie and it was a it was a political lie that people

00:23:09 intentionally created because they didn't like what i was actually saying and what i was actually

00:23:15 saying is that we need to pay attention to trump's campaign rhetoric and what he's really promising

00:23:20 And so this was in response to two things in particular, which I think anybody would find troubling. Last year, or I guess, depending on when we're filming this and when it releases, it was in May of 2024. Nikki Haley goes to Israel and she endorses Trump.

00:23:39 Classic.

00:23:40 Oh, yeah.

00:23:41 One of many trips.

00:23:43 Nikki Haley goes to Israel on behalf, she says, of the Trump campaign.

00:23:48 She drops out of the race.

00:23:50 She endorses Trump.

00:23:52 And in the same week, Miriam Adelson commits to give Trump $100 million.

00:23:57 The Adelsons are right here.

00:23:59 They are.

00:23:59 Because I'm in Texas, and they're right up there in DFW.

00:24:02 We've got friends there.

00:24:02 I mean, they were an inch away from putting that casino in there,

00:24:05 that would just economically and just culturally,

00:24:08 I mean, it would draw like flies,

00:24:11 you know, just degeneracy and they're bad news. 1.00

00:24:14 They are, and they're Israel first. 1.00

00:24:16 Yes.

00:24:16 Everyone knows that, that they're single issue voters 1.00

00:24:19 and Miriam is worse than Sheldon 1.00

00:24:21 because she's actually Israeli. 0.99

00:24:23 Her late husband, oh yeah, he's American, she's Israeli.

00:24:27 She's way more hardcore actually than he is, 0.74

00:24:30 which is somewhat ironic.

00:24:31 And so you have this quid pro quo in the spring

00:24:34 where Nikki Haley is a client of Miriam Adelson, always has been.

00:24:40 So Haley, and she's a neocon, major part of the problem.

00:24:45 She drops out of the race, visits Israel, endorses Trump,

00:24:49 and the deal is then Adelson will give Trump all this money.

00:24:52 And the question is, what did Trump give in return?

00:24:55 And it's reported that Trump has committed that he's going to allow Israel

00:25:00 to annex the West Bank and that he will confront Iran.

00:25:03 because this is happening in the context of the Gaza war

00:25:06 and the broader regional war

00:25:08 where Israel is constantly provoking Iran into a battle,

00:25:12 which they hope will draw in the United States

00:25:15 to destroy Iran or have regime change in Iran.

00:25:18 That was the first thing I didn't like.

00:25:21 And I said, if Trump is elected,

00:25:23 there's a real risk that we're going to go to war with Iran.

00:25:26 And a lot of people, that just wasn't even on their radar

00:25:29 because people were not paying attention.

00:25:31 And so they saw Gaza because that's the headline and that it was that stage of the conflict.

00:25:37 But anybody who was paying attention knew it was going towards Iran.

00:25:41 That is where it's been building for over a decade, really ever since Trump's first term, because it was Trump that withdrew us from the Iran deal.

00:25:50 And not to get too into the weeds, but point being is that is something that wasn't on people's radar.

00:25:55 But I did accurately predict. I said there's going to be a significant effort to bring the United States to war. And under Trump, it's far more likely because he's got backing from the Israel lobby. His administration will be filled with people from South Florida who are loyal to the Israel lobby in South Florida, as it's a major hub of pro-Israel Jews there, Jewish donors. That's what makes up the GOP down there. 0.72

00:26:18 I said, so that's one. Two, he does a fundraiser at David Sachs' house in San Francisco.

00:26:27 Is he on, is he one of the guys on the All In podcast?

00:26:30 Yes.

00:26:31 David Sachs?

00:26:31 Okay.

00:26:31 Yes, he's from the PayPal mafia, major Silicon Valley connector. So Trump does a big fundraiser,

00:26:39 which this was brought together by J.D. Vance at David Sachs' house. And all the Silicon Valley

00:26:44 money is now going to go behind Trump. All of the Silicon Valley money from little tech. And

00:26:51 these are venture capitalists. These are smaller tech firms that aim to disrupt big tech and

00:26:58 Silicon Valley with like the next wave of technologies, big data, AI, VR, some of the

00:27:05 defense stuff. Not to put you on the spot, but could you name, do you have on the top of your

00:27:10 mind a couple of the names of companies some of these sure what's an example palantir okay is

00:27:15 part of little tech uh anduril which works very closely with palantir is another little tech

00:27:21 company uh palantir does the big data okay um and software anduril does drones and vr

00:27:28 and so a lot of government contracts and another one's andreason horowitz which is a venture

00:27:33 capital firm okay and mark andreason and ben horowitz they put a lot of money behind trump

00:27:38 in 24 and they're invested in all these silicon valley companies those are just a few but so do

00:27:44 you remember when i think alex car so peter thiel you know was a big part of the launch of paypal

00:27:49 or um palantir and is still involved alex carp ceo who he's jewish right alex carp yes so peter

00:27:56 thiel gay uh alex car jewish match made in heaven what could go wrong but uh alex carp correct me

00:28:02 if I'm, this is just, you know, rumors, but I'm pretty sure at one point he said that his greatest

00:28:08 fear, right, he's, I'm on the right, I'm against, you know, the extreme left, but he said, my greatest

00:28:13 fear is the Christian nationalists take control and throw me out of a window. Yes. And he has

00:28:20 control over facial recognition software with an administration that wants anti-Semitism laws, 0.65

00:28:28 and this is good right yeah that's a real quote and you know alex carp he's jewish he's very pro

00:28:37 israel and like many jews he yeah he said that he's paranoid that christian nationalists are

00:28:43 going to come to power take him out i'm a christian nationalist that's not good no no and

00:28:48 they maintain an enemies list palantir maintains a list of millions of americans that they consider

00:28:53 to be potential subversives dissidents you're for sure on the list do you think i would be

00:28:58 certainly yeah certainly and if it's in the millions it's your viewers yeah it's my viewers

00:29:04 yeah there's not a two million podcasters it's it's ordinary americans um and that's just their

00:29:11 that's just some of their you could argue their deeper ideology or something having to do with

00:29:17 their religion but you don't even have to go that deep because the bigger thing with silicon

00:29:23 valley which isn't even a conspiracy theory or deniable is that what they really are after is

00:29:29 cheap labor yeah because when trump does his fundraiser with silicon valley they aim to

00:29:35 disrupt the tech world with government contracts and other things and their big push now of course

00:29:41 is ai they want to build these data centers um they want to bring chip manufacturing to the united

00:29:48 states there's a lot of things they want to bring to they want to build an anduril drone plant in

00:29:53 ohio is that with the chip is taiwan would be the biggest right tsmc yes right and and that are you 0.83

00:30:01 under the impression like i know that you know china is the boogeyman all the time and you've 0.74

00:30:06 kind of pointed that out that um yeah china's not great but maybe not quite like the number 0.75

00:30:12 one supreme enemy of that we should be worried about on a daily basis as americans but would 0.99

00:30:17 you say yeah but uh taiwan will eventually probably be china i think it's inevitable i think it is 0.70

00:30:24 just because of the distance from china and it's in our interest to then we do need some chips

00:30:30 right yes and i'm in favor of that which trump and biden have there there's been a new bipartisan

00:30:36 consensus since trump that this is a problem and by the problem i mean supply chains which is how

00:30:44 do we get our electronics uh how do we secure critical minerals of which china mines and

00:30:49 processes almost all of them at the time of our recording that was just kind of the thing last

00:30:54 week in the market biggest biggest uh dip since april yes because trump came out and he was like

00:31:00 we're gonna do a five million percent tariff you know i think it was like 130 or something like

00:31:05 that right well because trump is the one that really introduced in 2016 this idea that we need

00:31:13 to very strongly confront China in the Pacific.

00:31:17 And then it was the pandemic,

00:31:19 which really exposed the vulnerabilities

00:31:20 of the supply chain dependency

00:31:23 because we get our pharmaceuticals from China, masks,

00:31:26 you know, all the things that we needed during the pandemic,

00:31:29 we relied on China for them. 0.88

00:31:31 All the things we needed. 0.88

00:31:32 Right, right.

00:31:33 Well, and we do need some of the things from them.

00:31:35 And even in wartime, it's things you wouldn't expect.

00:31:39 It's not just the military goods,

00:31:40 but it's every kind of thing that you might need in a war.

00:31:43 And so even in the Biden administration, they were pushing for subsidies for chips.

00:31:48 And arguably, it's too little too late, but they are starting to build this ecosystem in Phoenix.

00:31:55 I think it's north, right around Scottsdale.

00:31:57 They're building like a whole new chip fabrication plant in the United States.

00:32:03 Huge investment, which is a good idea.

00:32:07 But here's the problem.

00:32:08 for things like this and the androil plant and the data centers and the rest of it

00:32:13 they want to bring in all this cheap labor from india because who's going to run all this stuff

00:32:19 right they don't want to pay americans to get educated they don't want to give americans

00:32:23 benefits and high wages they want to bring over cheap labor from india in 1979 israeli prime

00:32:31 minister menachem bagan gifted jerry falwell a luxurious learjet 25 worth millions of dollars

00:32:38 Officially, it was a token of gratitude for his support.

00:32:41 But the truth, it was a transaction.

00:32:45 Falwell was now Israel's valuable ally, flying high as a lobbyist in the skies.

00:32:50 And from that moment on, Falwell's allegiance soared.

00:32:54 His moral majority made backing Israel a core platform,

00:32:58 preaching American prosperity hinged upon blessing the Jewish state,

00:33:02 or else face God's wrath.

00:33:05 Genesis 12 3 was twisted into foreign policy now explore the full account in

00:33:11 the hyphenated heresy Judeo Christianity learn how the faith was hijacked and

00:33:16 rediscover Christianity on its own historic terms pick up your copy today

00:33:22 at amazon.com dude in the in the greater Austin area I always specify I do not

00:33:32 live in austin i don't live in austin uh far enough away separate county to hopefully have

00:33:39 the police not be defunded but close enough to where you know we have that clientele so to speak

00:33:45 but um my neighborhood i mean it's it's half indians yeah you know and like i've got five

00:33:52 little kids i got in big trouble for saying this you know year year and a half ago but

00:33:56 yeah we like you know we go to the neighborhood swimming pool and i have to explain you know

00:34:02 my little girls asking, you know, dad, what, what is this person wearing? You know? And it's not

00:34:08 just, you know, like, well, that's a different culture. And even that, I have a problem with

00:34:12 that. It's not American. This is America. We don't do that. Right. Like some people are like, okay, 1.00

00:34:18 well, if it was a religious distinction as a Christian pastor, then maybe you'd have a leg

00:34:23 to stand on and you could, you know, you could criticize that as long as you're super gentle

00:34:27 and super nice. And by the time you're done with your criticism, it's not even a criticism even

00:34:31 more, but like to criticize culture, cultures are not equal. Western culture is superior and people

00:34:38 make culture. So you can connect those dots, you know, like you can criticize a culture. I think 0.96

00:34:45 we finally have gotten to that with the Overton window where we can actually say one culture is

00:34:48 better than another, but cultures don't grow out of the ether. People make cultures. So if a culture

00:34:54 is better, you know, like you can connect those dots are pretty close together. And, you know,

00:34:59 as as a pastor i root a lot of that in religion you know um i do think that there are there's

00:35:06 something to be said for race and we're going to do a whole episode on that so i think there's a

00:35:09 genetic component but um i'm not a race essentialist and i don't think you are either i think

00:35:14 you would say christian first right and then and then yes it does matter heritage and those kinds

00:35:19 of things and ancestry but christ first is that fair to your position yeah yeah so i you know when

00:35:26 I when I'm going to the swimming pool with the girls it's not just a different cultural garb but

00:35:30 it's like a lot of it is religious it's like I've got to explain why you know like a 70 year old 0.99

00:35:36 Indian woman is showing her midriff you know and has a dot on her forehead and and it's like yeah 0.95

00:35:41 it's not just cultural and they're like well we don't do that as Christians like so how how is 0.98

00:35:46 that religious and it's like well sweetheart we want to be uh polite we want to be kind but uh

00:35:53 you know our neighbor who we love worships sand demons they worship other gods well are those

00:36:01 other gods good no those other gods are evil they're demonic um and they're like well i thought

00:36:08 america loved jesus america does not love jesus and hasn't for quite some time we used to we used

00:36:15 to you know like easter sunday in in manhattan on three towers have like crosses lit up like

00:36:21 America used to be incredible and I want my kids to grow up in America that was already gone even

00:36:28 by the time I was a kid but you it's not just like we'll just preach the gospel and conversion like

00:36:34 it's never less than that so I'm not substituting right it is preach the gospel do the work of an

00:36:39 evangelist pray but but it's also we have a flood of foreigners and they're not just incompatible

00:36:47 with america culturally we have a flood of foreigners who worship foreign gods and people

00:36:52 always point to the right well ruth was a foreigner and she can't yeah but she says your god will be

00:36:56 my god your people will be my people implicitly there's a forsaking of the former gods and the 0.90

00:37:02 former people she doesn't set up little moab in israel when she moves there and set up you know

00:37:07 shrines to you know moabite gods and and bring you know 47 members of her family you know and third

00:37:14 cousins to join her. No, she's, she says, I'm, I'm, I'm an Israelite now. That means your people

00:37:20 are my people. This place is my place and your God is my God. And by virtue of saying that

00:37:27 implicitly, we are meant to assume a forsaking of everything beyond that. And then she gets to be

00:37:34 queen. No, but by the fourth generation, right? She marries Boaz. They beget Obed. Obed begets

00:37:40 jesse jesse begets david and so by four generations with true forsaking it's only with forsaking that

00:37:47 you can have assimilating so if truly there's a forsaking in that first generation there can be

00:37:53 a real assimilation religiously culturally you know all these kinds of things and then you get

00:37:58 to have all the same private no uh you're gonna have to wait um but uh your great grandchildren

00:38:05 they could be president they could be king and david was a man after god's own heart and the

00:38:09 best king that israel ever had i feel like that's a reasonable position um but this idea that we

00:38:15 can just import people by the millions for cheap labor and in 15 minutes they we consider just as

00:38:23 american as you and i it's like what in the what are we talking about right well and there's just 0.68

00:38:28 a powerful financial incentive the people that are bringing them here are immigrants themselves

00:38:34 Elon Musk and Peter Thiel are both immigrants. 0.98

00:38:37 So true, King.

00:38:38 Yeah.

00:38:39 And, you know, so Vivek, right, his parents are immigrants.

00:38:43 Right.

00:38:43 All these people that are driving this,

00:38:46 they have no attachment to the country or identify identity with it themselves.

00:38:51 And anyway, it's a financial incentive.

00:38:55 They're not thinking about the long-term implications.

00:38:58 And even if they are, they're rationalizing that by the present consideration,

00:39:02 which is it's cheap labor and and this was anyway getting back to my problem with trump

00:39:08 is he goes to this fundraiser and in order to secure the money from silicon valley

00:39:13 he goes on the all-in podcast with david sachs and he commits that he is going to give a green card

00:39:21 to every graduate of a university on a foreign student visa which is this is not a new idea

00:39:30 They call it stapling green cards to diplomas.

00:39:33 We're going to staple a green card to the diploma of every foreign student.

00:39:36 It's a very old idea.

00:39:38 It went back 15 years.

00:39:40 And Obama talked about it.

00:39:41 Clinton talked about it.

00:39:43 Romney talked about it.

00:39:44 Like on both sides, they're in favor of this cheap labor.

00:39:48 Charlie Kirk talked about it at one time during the Groyper War six years ago.

00:39:52 And so he said this.

00:39:54 Charlie Kirk, BFF for you?

00:39:55 Oh, yeah, certainly.

00:39:56 Well, we could get into him, you know, in another.

00:39:58 Yeah, we can do that later.

00:39:58 Yeah. But but so Trump says on the All In podcast, we're going to staple green cards to diplomas.

00:40:05 And he reiterates this several times throughout the campaign. We want as many H-1Bs and F-1 visas as possible.

00:40:13 And so it was in response to these two things and specifically these two things in the summer of 2024, where I said, if Trump gets elected,

00:40:24 Are we going to get an infinite amount of foreign labor and legal immigration from India and Asia?

00:40:31 I said, and are we going to get a war with Iran?

00:40:33 Because if that's the case, then this is not MAGA.

00:40:36 This is not America first.

00:40:38 This is not what we voted for in 16.

00:40:40 And I had a lot of other problems with the campaign, too.

00:40:44 But those were the big ones.

00:40:45 And I led this campaign in August of last year where I said, look, 0.53

00:40:49 if Trump doesn't say that he will not go to war with Iran, if he does not say that we're going 0.70

00:40:57 to have an immigration moratorium as opposed to limitless H-1Bs and F-1s, I said, then I'm not

00:41:03 voting for him. And I can't tell anybody to vote for him because if there's a question mark on any 0.79

00:41:09 of those issues, on either of those issues, it's not really worth it because those are completely

00:41:15 contrary. They're actually the opposite of what he promised in 2016. So we led this campaign,

00:41:23 me and the Groypers, on True Social, on Twitter. We did an email campaign. We put up a billboard.

00:41:28 Were you back on Twitter by then?

00:41:30 I was.

00:41:30 That's right.

00:41:31 I came back in May of 24. And so we led this campaign, and we said, no war with Iran,

00:41:38 no more immigration. And if you can't commit to those things, we're not going to vote for you. 0.82

00:41:43 And we weren't going to vote for Kamala because we don't support what Kamala believes. 1.00

00:41:47 She's terrible. Yeah. Obviously. Yeah. She and she'd be worse even than Trump. But like you said earlier, this was a message to Trump. Hey, get it together if you're serious about winning. 1.00

00:41:57 And to me, this is a very important thing that we as the so-called the base of the Republican Party, the base of support, need to understand.

00:42:09 When the Republican candidate goes out there,

00:42:12 he's pandering to racial and ethnic minorities.

00:42:16 He's pandering to the middle and independence.

00:42:18 Heritage Americans are always just assumed. 0.89

00:42:21 Exactly.

00:42:21 Never appreciated, just assumed.

00:42:24 And if they're always assuming,

00:42:27 and if it's a safe assumption that you're in their column,

00:42:30 then they're never going to do anything for you.

00:42:32 And as a matter of fact,

00:42:33 when they're looking to make compromises,

00:42:35 they're going to trade off the things you want

00:42:39 for the things that the voters,

00:42:41 they do not have yet.

00:42:43 I have you so I can give your stuff away.

00:42:46 I don't have them.

00:42:47 So I'll give your stuff to them.

00:42:49 And that's what he did with Silicon Valley

00:42:51 and with the Israel lobby.

00:42:53 He said, if I want money from Silicon Valley,

00:42:56 I need to give them the cheap labor.

00:42:58 The base will understand. 1.00

00:42:59 If I want Miriam Adelson, 1.00

00:43:01 I might have to give her a war with Iran. 0.98

00:43:04 The base will understand. 1.00

00:43:05 I'll convince them. And so throughout the year, I was trying to convince our own people,

00:43:12 take your own side. Because Silicon Valley would not support Trump unless he helped them.

00:43:20 That's right. Adelson would not support Trump unless he helped her in Israel. But we would

00:43:26 vote for Trump no matter what. And that's why we're the suckers. So this was a very calculated 0.99

00:43:31 lie that came out of, and I do believe it's not conspiratorial. They're trying to win a campaign.

00:43:37 This was an attack on the campaign. And I think that elements in the campaign turned out this

00:43:42 narrative that me and the Groypers were Democrats, or we were pushing Kamala.

00:43:48 That's what they were doing, yeah.

00:43:48 It was a malicious lie. And a lot of people bought into that, but I'm okay with that.

00:43:53 They've done the same thing. And maybe, well, because we're going to do a whole episode where

00:43:56 we talk about J.D. Vance.

00:43:57 Right.

00:43:58 And they've done the same thing, you know, in regards to Gavin Newsom.

00:44:01 Right.

00:44:01 Oh, what a Chad.

00:44:03 He's so based, you know.

00:44:05 And I feel like, you know, like, I think that one, I do think I've seen clips where you have gone a little further.

00:44:13 Yes.

00:44:14 You know, than what you did with, you know, I'll vote for Kamala.

00:44:17 That one, you have gone further.

00:44:19 But I feel like it's probably fair to say, at least in principle, conceptually, same strategy.

00:44:25 Oh, absolutely.

00:44:26 Right.

00:44:26 Absolutely.

00:44:26 even though like you with trump you can at least say no but there was a time really was animated

00:44:33 by that guy oh yeah really appreciated that guy whereas vance you've kind of never been for

00:44:38 exactly and with trump this is the other thing about him people and you know not to sound

00:44:46 condescending or patronizing but you say that you weren't really on board with trump in 16 and

00:44:52 that's true with a lot of people because i just wasn't politically savvy it wasn't like i saw

00:44:56 something and made this like i would have said it at the time right like i'm sure i would have said

00:45:01 it i would have said well i i see this issue and because of this issue i'm making a calculated

00:45:05 decision here's the reality though me and everybody else it's because uh we just didn't

00:45:11 really care about politics in part right because our lives weren't falling apart in 2016 the way

00:45:16 they were later down the road right like every part of the reason everybody's become more political

00:45:21 because they've realized, oh, it actually matters, you know? 1.00

00:45:24 And I just was, you know, stupid enough 0.99

00:45:27 to where it took a little bit of pain to wake me up. 0.99

00:45:29 Yeah, and that was a lot of people.

00:45:31 And Trump in 16 was very new and very divisive

00:45:36 and kind of shocking.

00:45:37 He was sort of like shock therapy

00:45:38 in a cultural sense for the country.

00:45:41 And so many people that were here for 24,

00:45:45 this is a tale often told, were not there for 16.

00:45:48 And the reason that that matters is because in 2016, first of all, that's when he was at his peak.

00:45:56 That's when he was in his prime.

00:45:58 That was the victory, miraculous victory in the primary against 16 other Republicans.

00:46:05 And then in the general against Clinton, which is what made him this iconic figure, really cemented his legacy.

00:46:12 That was the movement.

00:46:13 And what I tell people on my show, which is hard to kind of convey now if you weren't there for it in 16, and we sort of touched on this, how he was an independent and he had these like populist issues.

00:46:26 In 16, it was a completely different proposition.

00:46:29 And the proposition that he laid out in his announcement speech in June 2015 was this.

00:46:36 He said, politicians are all talk, no action.

00:46:40 He said, and the reason that they're all talking no action is because they're being paid. He said, they are being paid. We have a corrupt system that is run by donors, consultants, special interests, international banks. He even said, he said, and because the politicians are all bribed, that's why they're never going to deliver real change.

00:47:03 They're not putting Americans first.

00:47:05 They're putting special interest donors and foreign countries first.

00:47:08 He said, but I'm rich.

00:47:11 He said, I'm so rich.

00:47:13 I'm a billionaire.

00:47:14 I don't need their money.

00:47:15 I don't need donors and super PACs and all that.

00:47:18 He said, and because of that, I can change the system and I can deliver real change,

00:47:25 real victories, not like the kind of BS, you know, the press conference.

00:47:31 Right.

00:47:31 He said, no, I'm actually, he said, and it's my favorite line in his announcement speech, he said, we need a leader.

00:47:39 He said, we need someone that can literally take this country and make it great again.

00:47:44 And like, maybe he was saying that in a flippant way, but what I hear in that is decisive action.

00:47:51 We need one leader who's going to literally take the country and change it.

00:47:58 Like Napoleon.

00:47:59 Exactly.

00:47:59 Right. He who saves his country violates no laws. Let's go. Let's go. Yes. And everyone recognizes

00:48:07 that in the age of super PACs, in the age of, you know, the corrupt centralized media,

00:48:15 in the age of the money that's controlling politics, we do need an intervention like that

00:48:21 because the system cannot save itself. It can't deliver change. And so in 16, you have this very

00:48:28 distinct message it wasn't we're going to beat the democrats and cut your taxes we're going to

00:48:33 beat the radical left blah blah for freedom and small government he said no who he wasn't that

00:48:40 just wasn't the language of the 16 campaign he said our country even inside make america great

00:48:47 again there's three ideas inside make america great again i know what you're going to say one

00:48:52 One is just the assumption that America used to be great.

00:48:57 Whereas everybody else, whether it was GOP or Democrat on both sides of the aisle,

00:49:01 they would say, America used to be racist.

00:49:03 America used to be bigoted.

00:49:04 America used to be this.

00:49:06 So just to have a guy who's able to look into the past and say, that was good.

00:49:13 That was completely novel at the time.

00:49:16 That was less revolutionary, though.

00:49:18 I think the bigger revolutionary idea, because Republicans were always saying,

00:49:22 Like, you know, we love the flag and whatever.

00:49:24 But Trump said it was great, but it isn't anymore.

00:49:28 But it can be again if we take decisive action.

00:49:32 If, like, the people take control over the government, that was so powerful.

00:49:38 And so you have this totally new idea.

00:49:42 Like, the speeches in 2016 were unbelievable.

00:49:46 I mean, there was one where it was so forceful.

00:49:49 They were calling it, like, anti-Semitic.

00:49:52 Because he went up there and said, Hillary Clinton is a puppet of the international banks and the media and the special interests.

00:49:59 He said, this election will determine whether we, the people, retain control over our government.

00:50:06 It was like, this was like seriously new and fresh and different.

00:50:12 And that was the proposition in 16, was like, it's not about small government and all that, the usual stuff.

00:50:21 This is about revanchism. This is about restoring America, greatness, excellence. We just want America to be better. We're going to rally the people. We're going to bypass this sclerotic bureaucratic system with decisive action that comes from the top.

00:50:39 Trump's a businessman.

00:50:40 He's going to run the government like a business.

00:50:42 There's going to be high turnover.

00:50:44 People from the outside will come in.

00:50:47 It will not be bought by the moneyed power from Wall Street and from the big industries.

00:50:52 That was the idea.

00:50:54 And in 24, of course, he's taking $200 million from Tim Mellon, a banker,

00:51:01 almost $300 million from Elon Musk, the richest man in the world,

00:51:06 if there ever was a moneyed interest.

00:51:08 Who has done some good things, but also chimped out over H-1B visas at Christmas.

00:51:14 Yes.

00:51:14 At Christmas. 0.99

00:51:15 He's like, hey, I know you're celebrating the birth of our Savior with your family and kids, but also let's get a bunch of Hindus in here. 0.99

00:51:23 Right. 1.00

00:51:23 It's like, what?

00:51:24 Well, and that just gets to the point.

00:51:26 It's like Elon's giving him all this money because he wants the labor.

00:51:31 The bankers are giving him this money because they want the tax cuts and the deregulation and the kind of financial predictability.

00:51:38 Mary Madelson's giving him money because she knows he's going to come in for Israel.

00:51:41 And so in 24, even beyond the kind of tangible things like war with Iran or H-1Bs, it's like spiritually, this is not the same movement.

00:51:53 Trump became another Republican.

00:51:55 And what was really kind of crushing about this is that he was really like a Trojan horse because you knew that he was coming in with the special interests, the donors, the lobbyists, the consultants, the GOP, Chris Lasavita, Susie Wiles, Rubio.

00:52:13 he's coming in with all these a parade of terrible people but everyone's gonna buy it because it's

00:52:19 him right because it's the look because he's doing the dance because he's got that you know

00:52:24 that cachet from the first movement and so i sort of saw him as running on the fumes of the hype of

00:52:32 that kind of groundbreaking moment in 16 but really delivering the people back into the hands

00:52:39 of the system. Because what he did in 16 was really animate the peasants and the rubes and 0.61

00:52:46 the masses to bring the pitchforks and torches to burn it all down, you know, metaphorically, 0.96

00:52:51 to really just change the system. And what I saw him doing in 24 is subduing those people,

00:52:58 making them complacent, getting them back. Bringing back in the feudal lords, you know.

00:53:02 Exactly. Right back into the fold. And so that's why I fundamentally oppose, because I don't doubt

00:53:09 is trump 24 better than kamala obviously everyone knows that obviously it's going to be better

00:53:16 governance but we have to think bigger than that second order effects long term and is it the best

00:53:24 idea that trump is going to deliver these radicals back into the system and here's case in point

00:53:30 perfect example of this in 2020 you had like 80 of the republicans believe the election was stolen

00:53:38 and was illegitimate, and they were right.

00:53:41 In 24, it's like 20% of Republicans

00:53:44 believe the election is rigged.

00:53:46 So like, once again, people believe now in the system.

00:53:50 They believe in legitimacy and efficacy of the system.

00:53:54 We're fine.

00:53:54 That was one of my biggest fears,

00:53:55 and I said it before he was elected.

00:53:57 I said, one of my concerns is that if he is elected,

00:54:01 it'll be far, far better than Kamala.

00:54:03 And overall, I am grateful.

00:54:05 i am grateful despite you know the disappointments and all these kinds of things but one fear that i

00:54:10 had was um it would just placate right you know it's just like hey we won like you know chat we're

00:54:18 back you know like hashtag winning you know and um and they would be like this is you know like

00:54:23 the dog you know meme where the house is on fire this is fine yes right you know whereas at least

00:54:28 in 2020 i mean the house was on fire i mean literally city's on fire but there was no this

00:54:33 is fine sentiment it was like this is not fine we've got to raise hell right like we've got to

00:54:40 stop this whereas i think for a lot of people and i've noticed it even with churches and pastors

00:54:44 um even friends you know i've noticed they're like uh this is uh far enough it's enough i i'm

00:54:53 i'm content with this and i'm i'm not right not content with this i'd be remiss uh right here at

00:54:59 the end of the episode if i didn't include the one thing and i did vote for him and i did encourage

00:55:04 people to vote for him and i i don't regret it i don't um but on the flip side i have had to you

00:55:12 know eat some humble pie right like i'm gonna call some things what i don't like is uh guys

00:55:18 who make predictions um is fine in fact guys who don't make predictions that just play it safe all

00:55:23 the time i actually actually don't have as much respect for them because it's just easy that's

00:55:28 easy to just kind of, you know, like, uh, always take the middle road. So I, I like guys who make

00:55:33 predictions, but I, I get frustrated when people, um, when people pivot, but they don't ever admit

00:55:41 it. Like I've always said, you know, in the pulpit, you know, when I'm preaching that repentance,

00:55:45 right, that's what it is to change. It's to repent. It's, it's like the quintessential

00:55:50 Christian virtue. Um, it's, it's not perfection, not in this life. Um, so it's imperfect people,

00:55:57 but by the power of the Spirit and through faith, repenting, right?

00:56:01 So it's not perfect people, it's repentant people.

00:56:03 But repentance, if it be genuine repentance, must be twofold.

00:56:08 It has to be both in deed, but also in word.

00:56:11 And when a guy pivots on a dime in terms of his actions,

00:56:15 but he never verbally admits, like I just, I find it insulting, right?

00:56:19 It's basically like looking at all your constituents and saying,

00:56:22 now um i know that you can see that i am in my actions doing the precisely opposite thing from 1.00

00:56:29 what i was doing 15 minutes ago now will i verbally admit this no because you're so stupid 1.00

00:56:35 you're so stupid that i don't have to admit it and i can just pretend as though this is where 1.00

00:56:40 i've always been and you'll just eat it up and i think part of the reason people eat it up is 1.00

00:56:44 actually not because they're stupid but because they're sinners too like so like even with covid 0.98

00:56:49 there was like virtually no one who came out and said man i got this one wrong right but uh still 1.00

00:56:58 the wind shifted so the whole country shifted on covet but nobody acknowledged the shift right

00:57:06 so everybody all of a sudden is doing an about face and taking precisely the opposite stances

00:57:11 that they were taking just a few months prior uh but but simultaneously pretending as though that

00:57:18 was their position all along you know and and so for myself it's like i you know i have no problem

00:57:25 publicly saying and i think like what do you have to lose i feel like you only build credibility

00:57:29 you only build trust i shield for trump i think that was the right move um but in hindsight i have

00:57:39 to say this is not going well i shield for him i thought he'd be better i powerful words i was

00:57:46 wrong. I was wrong. And you can just say that. And so the last thing that I wanted to say is

00:57:51 the sneaking suspicion. So at the time I just, I was wrong. Um, but the sneaking suspicion,

00:57:56 the one suspicion I had at the time, and I went against my better judgment was on this one issue.

00:58:03 Everything you listed, immigration, war with Iran, all those, those are the big ones, all the,

00:58:08 you know, the, the lobbyist and, you know, the funding. But the one thing for me as a pastor

00:58:13 was um abortion right and man i mean his rhetoric decisively changed yes from 16 to 2024 on abortion

00:58:26 he was not the advocate for life that he was initially i mean he never took as strong of

00:58:33 his stance as i personally would have liked but he was the most outspoken i mean he literally said

00:58:37 i remember seeing an interview where they asked him you know what about the woman because that's

00:58:42 always the narrative is the second victim there's two victims in abortion you know uh one you know

00:58:46 and they're both victims it's practically the same thing one you know gets sucked out with a vacuum

00:58:50 cleaner and the other one you know uh feels bad about it like two victims like one of them sounds

00:58:56 like a victim like an atrocious horrific victim and the other one sounds like a murderer yeah right 1.00

00:59:01 and we can't say that because you know women don't sin well it turns out they do um and 0.92

00:59:07 I actually agree with you. I wouldn't say it quite the way you do, but women need to shut up. 1.00

00:59:12 You add an extra word from time to time, but they do need to shut up. I think that a woman is 1.00

00:59:18 powerful in her vocation. I mean, second most powerful person in the land is the wife of a king, 1.00

00:59:26 but not formal, informal. She can woo. She can be, the Proverbs speak of a woman who 1.00

00:59:34 uh who um the heart of her her husband uh confides in her right that that's a powerful woman esther

00:59:43 saves an entire people not because she formally has the scepter but because she has proximity to

00:59:50 the one who does you know and so women um can be should be wise nurturing um and certain women

00:59:58 by proximity to certain powerful men are, are steering and guiding the future and destiny of

01:00:05 entire nations. What a wonderful thing, but they don't need to be wearing boss, babe, you know,

01:00:10 pantsuits and telling men what to do on a microphone publicly in a press conference.

01:00:17 I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't think that that is the nature of a woman. It shouldn't

01:00:24 be and the position of a woman. And so, yes, I believe that in abortion, any man who is coercing, 1.00

01:00:31 right? The boyfriend, the father, the uncle, whatever, like he's guilty. That's atrocious.

01:00:36 It's sinful. But the woman herself, also, we have to be able to say abortion happens because 0.98

01:00:43 women kill babies, right? They make that decision. And Trump, that was the one thing 1.00

01:00:50 that I saw. I saw a lot afterwards, right? And realized I was wrong. The one thing that I did

01:00:56 see then, and I, against my better judgment, did not chimp out to the degree that I should have,

01:01:04 is I should have said, I know he's a different man. This is not 2016 Trump. Because if nothing

01:01:11 else, right? You have been following all along. So you could say in 17 different ways, this is

01:01:16 a different Trump. Right. But I, as a Christian, as a pastor, I knew that at least in one different

01:01:21 way, this was not the same Trump. And I should have investigated that more. Yeah. And, you know,

01:01:27 to me, even on that issue, the way that the campaign responded to some of the backlash was

01:01:35 extremely telling. Because there were a lot of Christians that were very up in arms. And a lot

01:01:41 of them said they wouldn't vote for Trump over this. And this was maybe more focused to Twitter.

01:01:47 Trump never said anything like this. But on Twitter, all of the surrogates, all of the paid

01:01:53 influencers on Twitter were so belligerent and browbeating the Christians and saying, well, 0.52

01:01:59 if this is a problem for you, then you don't want to win and we don't want you. And it was this very

01:02:05 defiant the campaign was defiant against its own supporters right which it's like go figure so

01:02:13 your base is christians your base is conservatives and catholics there was just i mean i know the

01:02:19 catholic doctrine on the sanctity of life and it's right it's great like that's somewhere where you

01:02:24 and i i think we absolutely can be co-belligerents you're not going to be an elder in my church

01:02:28 and i'm not going to be you know uh in in yours right so that like there's separate spheres right

01:02:33 You know, two kingdoms, a kingdom of grace and a kingdom of common.

01:02:37 And in that common kingdom, when it comes to culture and politics,

01:02:40 that we can be absolutely co-belligerents.

01:02:42 And Catholics have a great position on the sanctity of life.

01:02:46 And not just in terms of like late abortions and the vacuum cleaner, 0.51

01:02:49 but also, I mean, Catholics have held the line with birth control

01:02:53 and these kinds of things, you know, for centuries.

01:02:57 And one of the big things I noticed was that like the Trump administration

01:03:02 started uh celebrating um uh certain uh certain pills that they were going to uh employ and and

01:03:10 then also uh in vitro where you know with in vitro like and i know like you know getting a little

01:03:15 close to home here but i think you would agree with me i mean i i feel terrible for people who

01:03:20 can't conceive i was adopted because my adoptive mother couldn't conceive you know um but in vitro

01:03:25 ordinarily they're you know yeah you know some guys can you know play it safe and be careful

01:03:30 because they have more knowledge, but nine times out of 10, what you do is, you know, you inseminate

01:03:37 20 different eggs and the Catholic position and the evangelical position mirrors that.

01:03:44 That's the beginning of life. But 20 of those eggs don't get to live a life. They get frozen,

01:03:52 which I know this sounds a little extreme, but I think it's true that, what do you call,

01:03:57 i mean it's like a han solo kind of thing you know you get frozen on ice like what do you what do you

01:04:01 call someone who's never committed a crime um but um but they're being locked away on ice so it's

01:04:08 incarceration without a fair trial you know and then most of those eventually go bad and get

01:04:14 flushed you know and so like but trump literally that became not just like hey i'll allow this it

01:04:19 became a bragging point it became like uh what what am i going to do on the issue of life that

01:04:24 i fought for in 2016 well now i'm gonna um i'm gonna advocate for certain abortion pills and

01:04:31 i'm gonna make sure that you know uh three children are born and 17 of them are frozen

01:04:36 and eventually flushed down the toilet and and people ate it up right and some christians you

01:04:43 know pushed back and good on them but a lot of people ate it up and the ones who pushed back 0.74

01:04:48 instead of like you're right this is kind of an about face it was like shut up you're wrong 0.97

01:04:54 you're a loser yeah and they pulled the same thing against them that they did against me 0.98

01:05:00 they said right you're a democrat you want the other side to win this sort of thing and 0.99

01:05:06 and to me that was so telling because it shows a relationship between the actual voters the base

01:05:13 and the campaign and the politician which is when the base expects the politician

01:05:18 to do what the base wants,

01:05:21 the politician is almost insulted and offended,

01:05:25 saying, like, you expect me to be pro-life?

01:05:28 You expect me to be against in vitro?

01:05:30 Well, you know, I need to win an election.

01:05:32 It's like, okay, well, then you don't get our votes.

01:05:35 And that's, to me, that is what the base of the GOP

01:05:39 needs to be comfortable doing.

01:05:41 And if that means the Democrat wins, so be it.

01:05:45 And people don't like to hear that,

01:05:47 But I fail to see literally any other way that we would hold the politicians accountable and that we would start getting what we're promised, what we're owed, because in the end, then what is even the point of winning?

01:06:00 Right. They say, well, we're better than the Democrats. I'd sure hope so. We're voting for you. Are we not? I mean, isn't that kind of the bare minimum?

01:06:06 And for 30 years, the Republicans have had many opportunities in the White House, in the House, in the Senate, on the Supreme Court. We have controlled all or some of the different branches of government, in some cases, all three together.

01:06:22 And yet the country always moves in the same direction, more socially liberal, more war, more financialization, like everything gets worse. And Trump was the kind of recognition that we could break out of the matrix. And then he drew us back into the matrix. That was the problem.

01:06:40 So for the past seven or so years, my mission has been in kind of me coming of age, getting older, and seeing the disappointment of Trump 1.0 in the first administration.

01:06:54 It's been trying to figure out politically, how do we change the way this works and just make it so that we are getting stuff?

01:07:02 Right.

01:07:02 We're moving the ball.

01:07:04 So Trump, we're grateful for him.

01:07:06 But it's time to call spade a spade.

01:07:09 He's not the great man.

01:07:10 He might be a precursor,

01:07:12 but he's not the great man himself.

01:07:14 We can be grateful.

01:07:16 We can praise where praise is worthy.

01:07:18 We can chimp when necessary,

01:07:20 but he's not our guy.

01:07:23 So who is?

01:07:25 We don't have a guy right now.

01:07:26 We don't.

01:07:27 We don't.

01:07:27 We don't have remarkable figure,

01:07:29 which is disappointing

01:07:30 because it would have been Trump.

01:07:32 Trump is, he has so many of the qualities,

01:07:35 but he doesn't have the biggest one,

01:07:37 which is he doesn't seem to care that much.

01:07:41 And on some level, he is truly a great marketing guy,

01:07:45 great campaigner, great salesman.

01:07:47 And, you know, there's some, he has some ability,

01:07:51 but he just does not have that follow through.

01:07:53 I don't think he has the ideology.

01:07:55 No.

01:07:55 I don't think he's ideological.

01:07:57 No, you're right.

01:07:57 He's just not, you know?

01:07:58 And so I think that's what it comes down to is like,

01:08:01 he can win an election and he's very political

01:08:04 and he understands the mechanisms.

01:08:05 he has the manners, he has all the tools and is very competent in those.

01:08:13 But beyond the tools, at the very bottom, there has to be the man.

01:08:19 And the man himself, at the end of the day, turns out, even if it was by accident,

01:08:25 all the people who pushed against him all the way back in 2016, including myself,

01:08:30 it's like, I go back to 24, I was wrong.

01:08:33 I go all the way back to 2016, I was kind of accidentally right at the bare minimum,

01:08:40 all the way down at the center.

01:08:42 He really is just a 1990s liberal Democrat.

01:08:45 Right.

01:08:45 Well, and I think he's somebody that's motivated primarily by vanity.

01:08:50 I mean, even in some of the things he's done in his second term, it's about getting the

01:08:54 Nobel Peace Prize, acquiring Greenland.

01:08:57 That seems to be about his legacy.

01:08:59 The Gulf of America.

01:09:00 Yeah, this is about all of it. The East Wing expansion in the White House that he's paying for, the American flags on the White House, Greenland, Gulf of America, the Gaza peace deal. All of it is about legacy in the history books. It doesn't seem to me to be really motivated by a kind of self-giving, sacrificial, which is almost what you need to be to be a truly great leader.

01:09:25 You really need to kind of become an avatar of the nation.

01:09:30 And on some level, he's not ideological.

01:09:34 I don't even think there's a ton of depth there.

01:09:36 I don't think he's religious, ideological.

01:09:40 I don't think there's a very strong will there beyond his own exaltation, his own vanity.

01:09:47 And I don't say that completely cynically because there are some positive externalities.

01:09:52 It's not all bad.

01:09:53 It's not all negative.

01:09:54 And he's a remarkable figure. And I think on net his legacy will be positive. But will he deliver that transformational change? He can't tap into anything deeper because I don't think there's anything there at the center. I think there's a hollowness which characterizes Trump and his movement.

01:10:12 And I've compared it to Vaporware. And in 2016, the political movement or the cultural movement surrounding Trump was called Vaporwave on 4chan and on the Internet. Vaporwave was a genre of music and art on the Internet.

01:10:30 It was like had an 80s aesthetic, distorted sounds.

01:10:35 And in this mirror is vaporware, which is products in the 80s that were marketed, but

01:10:43 which never actually arrived, you know, and there was the latest, greatest thing, but

01:10:46 it wasn't real.

01:10:47 That's there's something it had a quality like vapor.

01:10:51 And it's so fitting because that Trump is a product of the vaporware 80s, you know,

01:10:57 Trump Tower, Trump Casino, the Trump name, the idea is it's the greatest, it's the best.

01:11:04 But is there anything really tangibly there? No, like there's something actually missing.

01:11:10 And Vaporwave is what followed his campaign because of his 80s aesthetic. You know,

01:11:15 he's a product of 80s and 90s. And his campaign is also Vaporware, Vaporwave. It's not actually

01:11:22 there there's nothing you know did he actually make america great again no uh and maybe he never

01:11:29 intended to so so there's something deeply disappointing about all of it and i agree

01:11:36 though that i think it is a it is prefiguring something to come because he did tap into

01:11:44 something that is real right there is not in himself no but in the nation yes and and even

01:11:50 in the world. I mean, there's this populist uprising. He's sort of like a harbinger of

01:11:56 things to come. He's like a horseman of this inflection point on a global scale. So he has

01:12:02 awakened the future leader. Whoever the future leader is, he was animated and inspired by Trump.

01:12:09 And I believe that that person will come maybe in 28, 32, but he will come in the future. I'm

01:12:17 a big believer in that. Me too. Great insights. Thank you for your time. Good episode. Yeah,

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The NXR Podcast - February 11, 2026

THE SPECIAL - Trump Is Not Our Guy (w⧸Nick Fuentes) - EP7

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