The NXR Podcast - February 18, 2026


THE SPECIAL - Understanding “Race Realism” (w⧸Nick Fuentes) - EP8

Topics
race realism prejudgment judgment race and prejudice stereotypes race realism race dynamics and history
Hosted by
Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
Mentioned
Abraham Lincoln Joel Webin Canaan Paul Adam Noah Nick Fuentes George Washington Thomas Jefferson Pat Buchanan Nick Quentes King Alfred Sam Francis I. Let Knick-knack Because- Timothy Japheth Patton Joshua and 3 more
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1 hour and 12 minutes

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12,479

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468

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56

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117

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Nick Fuentes explains why race is real, and why it s not colorblind. He also explains why he thinks colorblindness is a mistake and why race matters more than ever in American politics and culture.

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00:00:19 that's sort of the elephant in the room they're like non-whites that's their preoccupation 0.52
00:00:24 and whites because we are white don't maybe even realize the gravity of this but this has not 0.94
00:00:31 always been the way of the world right because at various points in time the ottoman turks were the
00:00:38 pinnacle of civilization or the islamic caliphate or the chinese and at various times the relative
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00:02:40 Radical Christian Nationalist Pastor, Joel Webin.
00:02:44 Joel Webin?
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00:03:08 All right, here we are.
00:03:10 Blacks, Jews, and whites, what does Nick Fuentes think about race?
00:03:16 Well, as far as race is concerned, obviously very touchy subject, big subject.
00:03:23 I would say that race is real.
00:03:25 I would call myself a race realist is where I would start because I think that on the right now, even maybe more than the left, we have come to this consensus that race is not real.
00:03:37 Right. And the message that's pushed is colorblindness is supposed to be the way that we look at each other and the way that we govern the country. But I think that's a mistake. The reality is that race is a biological phenomenon. It's a genetic phenomenon. And there's this narrative people talk about or a word that people use. They say that race is skin deep.
00:03:59 And when we talk about racial differences or racial disparities or racial politics, people like to say things like, well, why should the color of a person's skin matter?
00:04:11 And I think the record of the past 60 years in America with the Civil Rights Act, with the multiracial politics, is that we know that for a fact race is not just skin deep.
00:04:25 It's not just different shades of different colors. To the extent that there are different colors, it's a result of a genetic biological difference. And it does reflect other genetic biological differences in appearance, in behavior, in culture, in mindset. 0.68
00:04:42 And that, I think, is at the center. That question is at the center of politics today as America has become a multiracial nation, is a country with all these different fundamentally people living together. How exactly are we going to get along and how great are the differences and what are they?
00:05:04 right i've heard some people say what if it was the contents of character all along
00:05:09 and not to say in a universal sense each and every single individual but that's what we're
00:05:14 always doing when you think of prejudice um it's to prejudge prejudice in in the negative
00:05:21 connotation i think really is um i think it's immoral but but in the technical sense of like
00:05:28 we're constantly making judgments all day long. Um, and we're also, you know, making prejudgments
00:05:35 and some of those prejudgments can be arbitrary and can be sinful, but then some of them are
00:05:40 based off of patterns and statistics and all these things to, uh, to give us an idea of an
00:05:47 expectation of something that's, that's foreign or strange to us. So I don't know. Um, but I'd
00:05:53 like to have an idea ahead of time. And so I'm going to rely on past experiences. I'm going to
00:05:58 rely on averages those kinds of things you know the the favorite verse of every liberal who
00:06:04 ultimately hates christ but it's like you know i don't believe your bible the meme i don't believe
00:06:08 your bible would never follow it but perhaps i can use it against you you know like um the favorite
00:06:12 verse is matthew chapter 7 where it says you know um judge not you know and that's all they do but
00:06:17 the first five verses are about not judging but then the immediate following verse matthew chapter
00:06:22 7 verse 6 is do not give to do not cast your pearls before swine or give what is holy to dogs
00:06:31 and the irony is so Jesus is commanding us his disciples not to give sacred things to those who
00:06:39 will not appreciate them which requires to not to obey that command and to not you know give pearls
00:06:45 to swine you have to make a judgment so five verses about not judging and then a verse that
00:06:52 commands us to do something that uh that holds as a prerequisite making a judgment so obviously i
00:06:58 think the interpretation is um don't make sinful judgments but not all judgment is sinful there's
00:07:05 a way of being uh like judgmentalism versus judgment what is discernment other than judgment
00:07:11 you know like we're caught we're called and commanded expected to be discerning and to make
00:07:17 righteous judgments. So then the only question left, so there's good judgment, bad judgment,
00:07:22 righteous judgment, sinful judgment. So then the only question left is pre-judgment.
00:07:27 But when it comes to pre-judgment, it's, again, not inherently sinful to say, well, you know, like,
00:07:35 you know, I run a business and, you know, I've hired over the course of the last 20 years of
00:07:42 running this business. I've hired, you know, a hundred employees under the age of 25 and 98 of
00:07:47 them have stolen from the company. Like if that guy says, you know, you know, like he decides
00:07:52 from now on, I'm not going to hire, you know, kids, you know, I'm going to hire guys who are
00:07:57 older. Like we wouldn't say that that's sinful, but not all 22 year olds, you know, steal money
00:08:04 from the company. Of course, you know, like, you know, help. I'm being overwhelmed by ants,
00:08:09 not all ants you know like so like so there's a way of doing that without being mean-spirited
00:08:14 without being hateful um uh and yet still it is technically prejudice but not in the sinful
00:08:22 negative connotation of mean-spirited or unjustifiable universal hatred towards an
00:08:27 entire class of people um but it's simply it's simply exercising pre-judgment and i think that
00:08:34 we can do that uh not just race would just be one category but you can do that in a number of cases
00:08:41 and i think that instinctively without even realizing it we all do we already do that right
00:08:46 you know and so then to come up with some kind of um propaganda that says so you can do this thing
00:08:52 that everybody's instinctively doing all along but you can't do it in this one category and that one
00:08:57 category it actually kind of matters it kind of matters that you be able to follow your better
00:09:03 judgment and like yeah i'm not going to go to that side of town at this particular time of day
00:09:08 um in in a way it's it seems like even a recipe for a liability you know like irena really
00:09:15 shouldn't have been on that train right you know well and i would say that the the grave error
00:09:21 is the individualism that i think the germ of the problem is in individualism where it says that
00:09:27 individualism is the way of grouping people and it says that society how is society constructed
00:09:36 out of what composite it's constructed out of a composite of individual human beings
00:09:43 the individual which is sort of like an abstract quality and it says that an individual inherent
00:09:49 in individualism is that you're a grown-up because you're rational and can make decisions
00:09:54 and have responsibility, but it also says that you're not deeply influenced and connected to
00:10:02 other people. And so for me, I think from the point of view of race, we have to depart from
00:10:09 individualism starting with the family, which is to say that, you know, me, I'm a 27-year-old man,
00:10:16 but I didn't, I wasn't born an adult man. I was born a baby to two parents, to a mother and a
00:10:24 father, just like they were born to a mother and a father. And our mothers and fathers imprint on us
00:10:31 our habits, our way of speaking, certain characteristics. You know, if you see a tall
00:10:37 person, what is one of the first questions you say? If you see a really tall person,
00:10:42 your parents must be really tall. A very smart person or musician, who are your parents?
00:10:48 and is not race,
00:10:51 but kind of a collection of people
00:10:54 that descend from the same forefathers
00:10:56 and have these kinds of cultural groupings.
00:10:59 Like, and there's something interesting about prejudice,
00:11:02 which is-
00:11:03 All the families, the Bible,
00:11:04 there's like all the families of the earth.
00:11:06 Right.
00:11:07 Like the nation is an extended family.
00:11:09 So like, in some sense,
00:11:11 you can say that races are different families writ large.
00:11:14 Extended families.
00:11:16 And yeah, and it only makes common sense
00:11:18 because they come from the same place. 0.67
00:11:21 Ultimately, the race is the white people come from Europe.
00:11:25 And within the white people, the Nords come from Northern Europe. 0.93
00:11:28 The Meds come from Southern Europe. 1.00
00:11:30 The Slobs come from Eastern Europe. 1.00
00:11:32 The Asians come from Asia. 1.00
00:11:34 The black people come from Africa. 0.98
00:11:36 Even the black people in Haiti, Dominican Republic, 1.00
00:11:38 they come from Africa.
00:11:40 So it is, in a sense, an extended family.
00:11:44 And I would say that even as far as prejudice is concerned,
00:11:47 there's something else interesting that happens, which is I find when I order an Uber in Chicago
00:11:54 and I get a black driver, they have the same skin color. They're of the same race,
00:12:00 but how they dress and speak is going to change what my prejudice is. Because if they speak
00:12:10 in African-American vernacular English. 0.66
00:12:13 And if they're dressed like a Chicagoan from the South Side, 0.96
00:12:17 I know I'm going to maybe be in for a bumpy ride.
00:12:20 We might be driving on the shoulder
00:12:22 on the way to get where we're going. 1.00
00:12:24 But if they start speaking in an African accent 0.96
00:12:27 and they're wearing different clothes, 1.00
00:12:30 I have a completely different prejudice.
00:12:33 And I say, you're probably a student.
00:12:36 You're probably the child of a doctor or something on a visa.
00:12:40 And I think that as far as these kinds of stereotypes are concerned, I've always thought of it as economizing on information, which is that you don't know everything about every person that you come into contact with.
00:12:53 We make assumptions, generalizations based on a variety of things.
00:12:58 And, you know, that speaks to the fact that it's it's not necessarily the color of that person, but it's kind of like the behavior of their tribe, so to speak. 0.69
00:13:08 And if you see an African-American, it's kind of funny, we talk about race, we jump right to. 0.81
00:13:14 If you're walking down an alley at night and you see a black person, you know, but that's naturally, we tend to associate race with racism and the sensitivity around race to prejudice.
00:13:24 When we see black people, it's not their skin color.
00:13:29 It's a number of things that indicate you're part of a certain cultural milieu.
00:13:34 You're part of a certain tribe because I think anybody recognizes that if you see, like I said, a black person from Africa, it's a whole different set of stereotypes and expectations.
00:13:45 Even if you see an African-American and maybe they just are wearing different clothes, you might say, oh, this is maybe a different sort of a person.
00:13:53 and i think that if they're wearing glasses there was a there was a curb your enthusiasm episode 0.54
00:13:59 where uh larry has a black friend and he discovers like uh that if he puts on fake glasses he can get
00:14:06 into like any any room right everyone immediately starts treating him differently so yeah or wearing
00:14:11 a backpack or you know polo shirt or whatever um and and i think that speaks to i think it
00:14:18 elucidates when people there's this preoccupation in the country with racism you have to actually
00:14:24 break down what we mean by that and prejudice is always associated with that and stereotyping
00:14:31 and generalizations i think at this point everybody recognizes there's there's almost
00:14:35 nothing wrong with that in itself there's nothing wrong actually with stereotyping by itself the
00:14:42 problem is when you treat people unfairly based on that or you don't give people a chance or
00:14:49 somebody breaks the stereotype and you won't let them you won't let them break the stereotype you
00:14:53 know it's like this person really is remarkable really is an exception and i just refuse to allow
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00:16:35 Knick-knack. Crush your vice. Right. And that speaks to how we are part of groups. We also
00:16:43 have a capacity as individuals to be independent and to have kind of a unique taste or whatever.
00:16:49 So I don't think they're necessarily mutually exclusive in that way. People think it's all
00:16:55 or nothing either. Somebody walks into a shop and we're going to say, we're so race blind. I don't
00:17:02 even know what color that person is. I have no idea what to expect versus, oh, I see a person
00:17:09 of a certain color. I know exactly what they're about. I think everyone recognizes there's a 1.00
00:17:14 position in the middle, which is realistic. Agreed. So I've come to the point where I tell 0.73
00:17:20 people i'm not a race essentialist um christian um buddhist hindu muslim uh you know judaism like
00:17:32 those things uh would be um more important to me so religion would trump race so i'm not a race
00:17:38 essentialist i'm also not a racial determinist um i don't think things change in 15 minutes but uh
00:17:44 we, you know, we talked about this, um, offline, but I do think that, uh, that things can change,
00:17:51 um, over time. And so, uh, so I don't, I'm not fatalistic that it's set in the stars, that
00:17:57 every race will be exactly as it is today for all of time. Um, I think that people can change,
00:18:03 albeit slowly, albeit slowly. Uh, so not a race essentialist, not a race, um, determinist,
00:18:09 uh, but I think, you know, race realist is probably the best term that I've heard so far.
00:18:14 I think there's even with that, there's some baggage attached that ways that I would want
00:18:18 to distinguish myself, but I think I'm, I'm fairly comfortable using that label.
00:18:23 And, you know, for, for myself as a Christian and a pastor, like I always want to be able
00:18:28 to account for things typically, you know, and one of, one of the passages that I think
00:18:33 of, and I'd love to get your thoughts on this.
00:18:35 I'm sure you're probably familiar, but in Titus, the very beginning of, you know, Paul's
00:18:41 letter to Titus, kind of like Timothy, another young man in the faith. He opens up by saying,
00:18:46 this is why I left you in Crete, in the Isle of Crete, to put what remains in order, appointing
00:18:51 elders in all the churches. And he goes in the first chapter into the qualifications for an elder
00:18:56 in the church. And then a little later in the letter to Titus, and this is all in the New
00:19:03 Testament, Paul, he doesn't actually say it himself, but he's quoting one of the Cretan 0.99
00:19:09 prophets he says one of your own said all cretins are um are uh uh gluttons liars and lazy beasts 0.98
00:19:19 and then but then he does say and this is true it's like you know based apostle paul you know 0.98
00:19:26 so like um but here's the thing that i think you have to hold intention to be fair so um the quote 0.99
00:19:32 from a cretin prophet is hey i'm cretin myself but let's let's be honest uh you know cretins suck 0.99
00:19:39 you know and they suck in particular ways not just generally but they're known for these 1.00
00:19:45 particular things they're lazy uh they're uh beastly so maybe low um uh like uh impulse control 0.99
00:19:54 you know they're they're uh impulsive um and they're gluttons you know so uh indulgent um 0.89
00:20:02 you know and dishonest you know so these kinds of things um and the apostle paul validates that and
00:20:09 says uh he nailed it uh this is true yet holding intention at the very same time the opening to
00:20:17 the letter is this is why i left you in crete to put what remains in order appointing elders
00:20:22 in all the churches and here are the qualifications for being an elder, a pastor, a bishop in the
00:20:27 church of Christ. Well, who is Titus going to find to meet these qualifications to appoint as elders
00:20:33 in Cretan churches? Cretans. So I take that to mean like the apostle Paul on the one hand is 0.98
00:20:38 saying in general, right, which is different than universal, but in general, the Cretans as a people
00:20:46 collectively are not great. And not just in a general sense, like generally, but not in a vague
00:20:52 sense, but in these particular areas, there are particular sins that are besetting and generally
00:21:00 true of the Cretan people as a whole, not just this one Cretan as an individual, but no, you
00:21:05 could actually describe the Cretans collectively in these negative ways and you would be generally
00:21:11 right. And yet one, because that's general, not universal, there will always be exceptions. And
00:21:17 two, because of the power of the gospel, Christ actually changes hearts. I think that there will
00:21:23 be some cretins that will be fit to be ministers. And this is why I left you there to put that. 1.00
00:21:28 And I feel like we can do, and I can do that. Honestly, I can do it with Europeans. And I 1.00
00:21:32 wouldn't say historically, I wouldn't say King Alfred is what I'm about to describe white people.
00:21:36 but today like today i would say um and i could say all people and and you have to understand
00:21:43 the discipline all people a generalization of course there are exceptions but in a general 0.99
00:21:47 sense i would say all white people are um suicidal toxic uh empathy and uh cowardly 0.98
00:21:56 and that's why the west is falling apart um and then i feel like i could also say 0.99
00:22:02 all black people are um impulsive um lazy like i could list some particular sentence and again 0.84
00:22:17 in general of course there are exceptions i don't i'm not thinking of thomas soul 0.98
00:22:21 you know not thinking of clarence thomas and i think i could also to go one step further say
00:22:26 all jews are subversive um and you know there would of course be some exceptions there as well
00:22:34 but the point is i think the bible actually has a category for that all cretins so i'm not just 0.98
00:22:40 being and and and i can say those things and and not say and therefore i hate them 0.79
00:22:46 or i wish them harm right or i would mistreat them as a lower class of you know or deprive
00:22:52 them of certain rights, but I can still prejudge. I know that among these people, because the apple
00:23:00 doesn't fall too far from the tree, it's just race is a tribe. It's an extended family. And I
00:23:06 know that this family has these kinds of characteristics, both good and bad. Here are
00:23:11 some of the bad ones in particular. And so if this is a black man who's a member of my church 0.54
00:23:19 and a friend i'm not thinking about any of that right i'm thinking about what i know at the
00:23:23 individual level because i individually know him but if it's a perfect stranger and i've never met
00:23:28 before then i'm thinking of and i do this with white people i meet a random white person and 0.99
00:23:33 um in 2025 and i'm thinking this guy's probably a cuck like he's probably cowardly probably you 0.96
00:23:41 know this that and the other and i have a fairly high statistical chance of being right right you 0.92
00:23:47 You know, so I don't think that that's mean.
00:23:49 I don't think that's a sin.
00:23:51 No.
00:23:51 You know, what do you think?
00:23:53 Yeah, I think that, you know,
00:23:54 my favorite quote is from Sam Francis.
00:23:57 I'm sure you heard me say this,
00:23:58 but he's, or I think it was Pat Buchanan, actually.
00:24:00 He said, race is not everything, but it isn't nothing.
00:24:05 And I think everyone recognizes
00:24:07 that it's somewhere in between
00:24:10 because it would be ridiculous to say
00:24:11 that we can't make any generalizations
00:24:14 because you can make generalizations about anything.
00:24:16 You can make generalizations about people from different generations, boomers, millennials,
00:24:22 zoomers. 0.83
00:24:23 You make generalizations about people that live in California. 0.67
00:24:26 You can make, you know, and yes, that also applies to the races also as a distinct group.
00:24:32 And we have layers of identity, you know, as Americans, as people of a certain generation,
00:24:38 people of a certain race.
00:24:40 And of course, there are certain attitudes that come with that.
00:24:44 attitudes behaviors and at the same time you'd recognize it would be ignorant to say that that
00:24:52 like you said applies universally to every single member right and that is so vilified then if you
00:24:59 make any generalization they're saying you're ignorantly applying that to everyone in all cases
00:25:05 with no exceptions and you're doing it in a hateful way be irrationally because of some 1.00
00:25:12 base xenophobia because yeah they say it's two things one you're dumb and ignorant but also 0.99
00:25:17 you're mean and malicious it's hateful and pointed yeah when it really isn't i mean on some level 0.99
00:25:23 we we have to audit our society if we want to make things better for anyone and and every group has
00:25:30 their strengths and weaknesses every group has their um you know things that that's just how
00:25:36 they do these things um you know like you would say with white people clearly white people have
00:25:43 lots of problems and you're able to say that very freely you know what what you just said yeah the
00:25:48 first part was easy yes the next part even nick quintus i noticed you're like what's he gonna say
00:25:55 and what's funny is because what you said will be clipped it will not the part where you said 0.98
00:26:00 whites are cowardly correct but the part where you said blacks are lazy that's right why we all 0.99
00:26:04 know why um but it's true you could say that whites have a lot of problems blacks obviously 1.00
00:26:09 have a lot of problems uh jews have problems muslims have problems but we exist also not the 0.99
00:26:16 same problems which is kind of part of what i was getting it wasn't just uh all cretins are bad 0.99
00:26:21 right but in these particular ways and it helps to know right it helps to know well because they're
00:26:27 descriptive they're qualitative it's not a put down and saying uh you're bad you're less than
00:26:32 you're inferior but it's saying that and i like to use the word sin because i do think that they
00:26:38 are kind of like concentrated sins they are um particular sins um that are sadly um generally
00:26:47 accurate in describing a particular people right yeah and i i don't think it does us any good to
00:26:54 um ignore those things but the reason it is the way it is these like double standards because
00:27:00 that's also where we enter in on the subject of race is we talk about race naturally people talk
00:27:07 about racism how is it wrong to acknowledge race how is it wrong to talk about race and then it
00:27:14 naturally leads into how the particular races are treated differently and some say that there's
00:27:21 racism against the non-whites by the whites increasingly people say it's in reverse it's
00:27:27 gone so far in the other direction but i think what is glaring is the historical context which
00:27:34 people often miss maybe on our side people don't talk about or they refuse to acknowledge
00:27:39 is that we're coming up on maybe the end of 500 years of preeminence by europeans by whites 0.99
00:27:49 that's sort of the elephant in the room they're like non-whites that's their preoccupation 0.69
00:27:54 and whites because we are white don't maybe even realize the gravity of this but this has not 0.94
00:28:01 always been the way of the world right because at various points in time the ottoman turks were the
00:28:08 pinnacle of civilization or the islamic caliphate or the chinese and at various times the relative
00:28:14 distribution of wealth and power was different meaning that maybe there was some parity between
00:28:20 the orient and the west and of course these uncontacted uh more primitive civilizations
00:28:26 like africa and america didn't have to deal with white people but we're talking about 500 years of 0.82
00:28:32 whites because of the industrial revolution because of the enlightenment rapidly gaining 0.56
00:28:38 relative power and then imposing that power on other people and systematizing that power
00:28:47 And it's in this context.
00:28:50 This is where you get this Marxist definition of racism
00:28:52 where they say, well, it's prejudice plus power.
00:28:55 And the power is sort of critical.
00:28:56 Right.
00:28:57 Because- 1.00
00:28:58 Which is why like a black person,
00:28:59 a minority can't be racist.
00:29:01 Right. 0.95
00:29:02 Only white people can be racist. 0.97
00:29:04 Well, because they say, well, 0.87
00:29:05 you can't inflict these like attitudes on people
00:29:09 using power either overtly or in a more subtle way.
00:29:14 And I would say that, you know, that is that's just kind of like rhetoric. I mean, to me, it is obviously true. And it's even also true to this day that that European civilization predominates, but it doesn't make it any less true what's happening with these other people, the black people.
00:29:34 And and by the way, I would say to the contrary, it almost proves what we're saying about these groups or the disparities between them, because the sensitivity lies in that black and brown people and even Asians on some level have been under the heel of the whites for 500 years. 0.52
00:29:54 And the way they say it is they drew the short end of the stick. 0.99
00:29:58 It's because whites are violent or whites are cruel. 0.99
00:30:02 I would say it's because whites were more developed. 1.00
00:30:04 That's really, that's the elephant in the room. 1.00
00:30:06 Right.
00:30:07 And nobody wants to, because where even do you get the power dynamic? 0.84
00:30:11 It's that whites were able to inflict on other people 0.95
00:30:15 because of their technological prowess, their organization, 0.98
00:30:19 their societal development.
00:30:20 and these other civilizations were weak.
00:30:24 You know, Columbus Day,
00:30:25 we're shooting this around Columbus Day.
00:30:27 It's not that they weren't willing to inflict that,
00:30:31 they couldn't.
00:30:31 And they couldn't because they didn't have
00:30:33 our level of development.
00:30:34 And with anyone that they could, they didn't.
00:30:36 Exactly.
00:30:37 Right?
00:30:37 Like it wasn't missiles,
00:30:39 but it was rocks or whatever.
00:30:41 But I mean, like you think of, you know,
00:30:43 historically Africa,
00:30:44 it's not like a bunch of Europeans
00:30:46 were running through the jungle, you know,
00:30:48 and capturing people. 0.96
00:30:49 They were lined up on the beach to be sold by other blacks. 0.97
00:30:54 Right. 0.77
00:30:54 You know, so everybody has been oppressive.
00:30:58 Right. 0.96
00:30:58 White people just did it exceedingly well. 0.92
00:31:01 Yes, yes, excelled at organized violence, which is the highest. 0.99
00:31:06 It's basically in terms of human activity, it's the highest aspiration.
00:31:11 You know, Patton had a quote like this.
00:31:13 It's the highest thing that a person can aspire to because, I mean,
00:31:16 that's ultimately what what the history of humanity is is conflict organized conflict between groups 0.99
00:31:22 and so there's a reckoning now about this and you know the browns and blacks are saying well 0.83
00:31:29 we have been subjugated and we have drawn the short end of the stick we have less less resources 0.90
00:31:36 less power and that means that our lives and organizations been dictated to us by whites 0.84
00:31:42 and whites are saying well there's a reason for that right and you sort of see these things now
00:31:48 playing out within america now that we have a very diverse country right and um and i think that
00:31:56 regardless this is an inflection point for the history of the world because it's always been a
00:32:02 clash of civilizations but now i think for the first time the clash is happening on the interior
00:32:09 It's happening from within.
00:32:11 It's happening inside the border through politics.
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00:32:44 And so it's sort of a difficult, it's a difficult way to look at it because our generation, well, we're from different generations, but closely together in the grand scheme of things.
00:32:57 um you know we've been brought up with this rhetoric that's been meant to soften the edges
00:33:03 of the racial divide and so i think we're coming at it with like basically an ahistorical perspective
00:33:11 because the other thing that people don't want to acknowledge is that everyone for all time
00:33:18 except for the past 30 years was like a vile racist according to our standards right even
00:33:24 george washington even thomas jefferson even abraham lincoln yeah abraham lincoln he was 0.79
00:33:31 absolutely a white supremacist there was like no debating it and was really uncharitable in a lot
00:33:36 of ways that like rl dabney and guys who defended you know the southern presbyterian christian men
00:33:41 and i and i believe they were good men um and i'm not going to apologize for my christian fathers
00:33:46 but um you know they were uh defending this uh slavery but not the slave trade like rl dabney
00:33:52 he thought that the slave trade was a breach of like exodus chapter 21 and certain biblical
00:33:57 principles of man stealing and those things but he had ways of you know it wasn't just arbitrary
00:34:02 like he had arguments so he had ways of of articulating well okay you know uh the man
00:34:07 stealer is punishable according to exodus 21 by death uh anyone found um in possession of someone
00:34:14 who was stolen um but that that's kind of like a one degree of separation but what do you do when
00:34:19 it's the third generation of people who their grandfather or even fourth
00:34:23 generation, great grandfather was stolen by these people,
00:34:26 this tribe that defeated this tribe and sold them to this other tribe. 0.99
00:34:28 Then they sold them to Jews. Then Jews sold them to Europeans, you know? 0.88
00:34:32 And so he was basically saying like, at this point,
00:34:35 many of the slaves in America, they only speak English.
00:34:38 They're Christians now they've been catechized. 0.87
00:34:40 They're actually participating in these white churches as members,
00:34:44 brothers in Christ. Yes. Monday through Saturday,
00:34:47 there's still a master slave dynamic Ephesians six,
00:34:49 talks to this it's in the bible but they are our brothers in christ they're they're in the church
00:34:54 they only speak english where are they going to go you know abraham lincoln was like you know
00:34:58 maybe we can drop them off in africa you know like which is actually really inhumane i mean
00:35:03 they'd be dropped off you know like three generations later probably thousands of miles
00:35:07 from where their ancestors were taken can't even speak the language have no like i mean it's it's
00:35:13 really cruel and so then the question is like okay well if we free the slaves but we're not also you
00:35:17 know sending them back across you know the ocean then then where do they go here and you know there
00:35:22 were some guys who suggested well we can send them out west you know and give them and abraham
00:35:26 lincoln and some of the northern guys were like no and they were like why because we want to settle
00:35:31 that area and we don't want them as neighbors you know so they were like so they were they have to
00:35:36 be freed um and they also still have to stay right next door to all the southerners and you know and
00:35:41 so the south was like wait what you know like i i don't understand it's like why you're like you 0.75
00:35:47 really love black people right and they're like no that's not our position we hate them um we just 0.99
00:35:51 don't want them to you know to be enslaved and also we don't want you guys to succeed so there's
00:35:57 that but the point is that you look back and it's like anybody who's labeled as a racist today
00:36:02 is pretty much like a liberal by comparison to just you know just a hundred years ago yeah what
00:36:10 the average person thought i don't think there's a racist like true racist alive currently yeah
00:36:16 i agree with that and if there are they're they're exceedingly rare yeah and in a lot of people don't
00:36:22 even know that history they think that that it's sort of like with world war ii and the holocaust
00:36:27 like many people think we went to world war ii to stop the holocaust in the same way that people
00:36:32 think we went to war to free the slaves you know for the good of humanity it's cute and yeah it's 0.98
00:36:39 a nice story you almost don't want to pop the bubble for them just leave them there let them
00:36:42 think it yeah but no ab and and i like that you said that people don't even know abraham lincoln
00:36:47 was committed to creating colonies where we could send all the black people in either africa or
00:36:54 central america and the only reason it didn't happen is because he died when he was trying to
00:36:59 do it and there was very contentious inside the government uh but that was the original plan and
00:37:03 then even beyond the plan to repatriate them for hundreds of years all the president said
00:37:11 there will never be legal social equality political equality between the whites and the blacks in the
00:37:18 same political uh the body politic they just said that's just never going to happen and what has
00:37:25 happened since is is basically out of white guilt uh we have come up with now this suicidal ideology
00:37:33 where and by the way it's not even sufficient that we integrate the people that were forcibly
00:37:38 brought here, which arguably might be some form of a reparation. I'm not making that argument,
00:37:47 but some might argue, well, these people are brought here against their will. Now
00:37:52 you have to integrate them. Okay. Real quick though, what you would say,
00:37:56 what's the real reparation? You get to live in America. Right. Right. God bless. Like what a
00:38:03 privilege, privilege for me, privilege for you. Like the richest black people on God's green earth 1.00
00:38:08 are african americans yeah would they rather live in haiti africa i mean take your pick
00:38:13 go ahead um but but yeah no arguably we would have to do that but now what we're talking about is
00:38:21 making america majority non-white country who thinks that's a good idea right is there one
00:38:28 person who thinks that america will get better and for who certainly not for the native people 0.68
00:38:33 living here not for the white people probably not even for the black people right the only people
00:38:39 this is good for is the foreigners themselves and what's really interesting also is that 0.53
00:38:45 you were in this post-racial project out of an abundance of white guilt we feel sorry for the 0.84
00:38:51 colonized the the indigenous the poor of the world we're bringing them here um it makes white people
00:38:57 feel better about themselves to have that around and i think though that and this is an important
00:39:03 distinction a lot of the people that propagated this it was kind of sold to them as not actually
00:39:10 what it is because what it is is that there's going to be no majority no dominant cultural
00:39:16 um force no there won't be no hegemony a plural uh plurality of any group it will be completely
00:39:24 diverse but it was sold to them as like whites plus white country with some diversity and i think
00:39:33 even that would be acceptable and i was talking about this i think with gavin mcinnis it's like
00:39:39 if you're in a neighborhood of all white people and one black family moves in and they're nice
00:39:45 and well-mannered and respectful would anyone really have a problem with that no if it was
00:39:50 all whites and some black people i don't think so not as long as everybody was following the laws
00:39:56 or for that matter what an indian family or a chinese family or mexican family i don't think
00:40:01 so like the fuentes right like the fuentes clan we're nice enough you know um they were they were
00:40:09 you know the fuenteses were drug addicts you know my grandfather's a heroin addict so maybe not the
00:40:14 best but over generations recently right but um you know and and maybe it's two families okay it's 0.82
00:40:21 not so bad i mean it's 90 percent white but the question is what happens when that neighborhood
00:40:26 but becomes 90-10 in the other direction.
00:40:30 Right.
00:40:30 Now, not so comfortable.
00:40:32 And that's really the way that I like to frame
00:40:35 the race issue in America. 0.70
00:40:38 Historically, it was whites with some blacks. 0.95
00:40:42 Now, it's going to be all non-whites with some whites. 0.93
00:40:47 And that's a whole different story. 0.93
00:40:49 That's a whole different country.
00:40:51 That's a different dynamic. 0.99
00:40:52 You can't call that immigration.
00:40:54 And you start to say that, well, we now are actually losing something that we're entitled to, which is the ability to have our way of life represented. And you think about a future where there will be Chinatown in America, there will be little India, little Haiti, little Cuba, whatever.
00:41:15 will there even be a single city or suburb that is meaningfully european or white where 0.68
00:41:23 they actually have any kind of ethnic heritage cultural heritage i think the answer is no i'm
00:41:31 this timeline right and that has already happened by the way in canada yeah in canada they have
00:41:36 imported like 50 of their population the past 25 years and it is entire cities and towns that have
00:41:43 been taken over where there are literally no white people and that is by definition the suicide of a
00:41:51 country so um you know there there's a lot that could be said about race excesses of racism or
00:41:58 identitarian thought identifying too much with race and we these things are not quantitative
00:42:05 you know you can't say how white is a person you could go to their genetics but people have a
00:42:10 different phenotype right different characteristics and and things like that so it's qualitative and
00:42:16 it's it's rough um but we could say that certainly we're not racial enough let's put it that way
00:42:24 nobody would argue that we should be a completely racial society whites only we only want and
00:42:31 everyone that isn't white we don't like i don't think anyone's saying that but people are saying
00:42:36 the country's becoming not racial enough and white people in particular do not have enough
00:42:42 of an affinity or pride in themselves to even protect the identity of their nation. That's 0.63
00:42:47 really the issue. That's very well said. So let's spend maybe the second half of the episode,
00:42:53 but one final big idea. So we've talked about, you know, we've talked about race,
00:43:00 but I'd be really curious because I've heard some of those things from you before,
00:43:04 and i pretty much agree with all of it like sometimes you're in the final segment of the
00:43:08 show it's the super chats you're on your you know your seventh hour and uh getting a little loosey
00:43:14 goosey and so you know you'll word it in ways that i wouldn't word it but i i think your position i
00:43:17 agree with but race aside let's now talk about um how do you because i don't hear you talk about
00:43:26 this as much how do you account for race how do you account for um why are there different
00:43:33 as a christian you believe the bible right but you're also like you're not a neanderthal you
00:43:38 believe the bible you also you know uh have your sense perception and reason and science and those
00:43:45 kinds of things like so i just be curious you're a bright guy um how do you account for race the
00:43:50 fact that we have different races different strengths different weaknesses um some have
00:43:56 fared better than others um how do how do you in a way that you know holds the bible doesn't
00:44:01 contradict it but then also accounting for other things how do you account for race well i think
00:44:07 the origin of the races is that you go back to the original people that were created by god and
00:44:13 descended from adam and they went out into the world and i think they reflect the different
00:44:17 tribes different descendants and as far as their relative position well first i would say that um
00:44:25 i always go back to the tower of babel when people talk about the universalism of christianity i go
00:44:29 back to the idea that god wants actually for there to be nations he created the nations correct
00:44:35 there was a point where all coming together and then the people were scattered it wasn't good
00:44:41 right i always tell people it was a judgment so there were two sins um it says let's uh let's
00:44:47 build you know a tower that stretches to the heavens so that we can be as god and make a great
00:44:51 name for ourselves so one sin arrogance pride um trying to deify themselves be as god um and so
00:44:58 God judges. There's a judgment. Babel is a judgment for the sin of arrogance. However,
00:45:03 that's not the only sin. It also says, they finish and say, lest we be scattered over the
00:45:08 face of the earth. And I do think that that actually represents the second sin. First sin,
00:45:12 arrogance, tower that stretches of the heavens, make a name for ourselves, be as God. Second sin,
00:45:18 not be scattered over the face of the earth. Well, the dominion mandate that was given to Adam in
00:45:22 the garden was be fruitful and multiply and subdue the whole earth. Like the original plan
00:45:27 was not just that there would be a lot of people,
00:45:29 but that these people would ultimately spread out
00:45:32 and fill up the whole earth. 0.96
00:45:34 And so then the Tower of Babel,
00:45:36 you literally have them saying
00:45:37 the very thing that God commanded Adam to do,
00:45:38 let's not do it.
00:45:40 Let's build this tower
00:45:42 and make this great name for ourselves
00:45:43 so that we can congregate and stagnate and bottleneck
00:45:47 and not fulfill the very thing
00:45:49 that God commanded our ancestor Adam to do
00:45:51 so that we would not be spread out over the earth.
00:45:53 So I think two sins, one, arrogance, let's be like God.
00:45:56 Two, let's not fulfill the dominion mandate and spread out. 0.72
00:46:00 Because I actually think that without the Tower of Babel, God's providential plan likely would have resulted in different dialects, which would have evolved into different languages.
00:46:10 And, you know, some people would live in the mountains and some people in cold regions and hot regions and seafaring people. 0.89
00:46:15 And over time, just the different distinctions of the geography itself and different places and different climates and being, you know, separated from people.
00:46:24 you know um would have would have lent to it all would have snowballed into different languages
00:46:30 different cultures different peoples different people so the nations were god's plan and you
00:46:35 literally have a group of people saying no and so so i think you know when god confuses their
00:46:41 languages the way that i teach this you know um in our church and and as a pastor is um that you
00:46:47 have a judgment for the sin of arrogance and the second sin that i think people miss the sin of not
00:46:52 wanting to be fruitful multiply and spread out and fill the earth um and in that sense it's a
00:46:58 judgment but it's a judgment that conceals because god is exceedingly kind it's a judgment um that
00:47:04 conceals a hidden mercy like within this judgment of confusing their languages so that they would
00:47:09 disperse and there's also a mercy and the mercy is you guys are trying to get off the rails from
00:47:15 my original plan and i'm going to judge you for that sin of rebellion but in such a way that it
00:47:21 actually functions as a catalyst to more quickly fulfill my plan which is all the plans of god
00:47:26 a good plan you're welcome yeah so back to you yeah that's interesting i've never heard that
00:47:32 uh angle before on the tower of babel what do you think crazy or no i think that's true i think that
00:47:38 there's a lot there's a lot in that uh story and i agree with that um but i would say that as far
00:47:43 as the the disparities a lot of it does come down to geography i think that's a huge part of it and
00:47:49 It is.
00:47:50 You know, there's been many theories on this.
00:47:53 And one of the most prominent theories is that the people of the North, because they have the winter, have to plan for the future.
00:48:00 Right.
00:48:00 And ultimately, that is what separates in terms of IQ, in terms of development.
00:48:05 It's that long-term planning.
00:48:06 Right.
00:48:07 Seems to be the difference maker.
00:48:08 Because where you have a warmer climate and you don't have to plan for the winter, you just have game year-round.
00:48:15 You never actually move beyond a nomadic society to an agrarian society.
00:48:22 And without that, you don't even have a concept of the future. 0.51
00:48:26 You know, for a long time, there was like a famous post on 4chan that went viral.
00:48:32 And who knows if it was real or fake, but it was a person who claimed to be someone who worked in Africa and said they literally do not have a word for the future.
00:48:42 and we would give them money,
00:48:45 we'd try to get them to plant seeds,
00:48:46 but they just had no concept of sowing and reaping,
00:48:52 no concept of kind of like-
00:48:55 Delayed gratification.
00:48:55 Delayed gratification, right, that time preference.
00:48:58 And of course, if people are just hunting
00:49:01 and gathering all the time,
00:49:03 there's really no need actually ever.
00:49:05 It's all cyclical rather than progressive
00:49:08 in a certain sense.
00:49:09 and um so this is why they say the europeans developed the highest iq because they face these
00:49:16 cold tough winters and they came with other things too they have these very like tight-knit
00:49:21 clans um and another there's there's other selection biases there but they say that
00:49:27 basically it's a geographic determinism and one here's another example which i heard recently
00:49:32 they say that one of the reasons the american indians practice so much cannibalism
00:49:38 is because their diet consisted largely of corn.
00:49:42 And they were starved of protein, actually,
00:49:44 because their diet being mostly maize,
00:49:47 it actually has no nutritional content.
00:49:50 And so what they needed was protein from flesh.
00:49:52 I guess they couldn't get it from animals.
00:49:54 So that's why they developed this like bloodthirst.
00:49:56 I heard that on Twitter.
00:49:58 I don't know if that's real or not, but-
00:50:00 Well, you heard it on Twitter.
00:50:00 So it must be.
00:50:01 It must have some basis in reality.
00:50:03 But so I think it almost always goes back to nutrition.
00:50:07 It always goes back to geography.
00:50:09 It goes back to the basics.
00:50:10 There actually are basic explanations is what you're saying.
00:50:14 So I think that's entirely true.
00:50:15 The only thing that I would add to it,
00:50:16 and I just want to hear your response,
00:50:19 is I would also put some stock in the biblical narrative,
00:50:24 just like we did with Babel.
00:50:26 But then that's on the heels of also the three sons of Noah.
00:50:31 So a global flood in which everything
00:50:36 that had the breath of air and its lungs was wiped out is what the bible says genesis 9 10
00:50:40 um and except for noah his wife three sons and their three wives eight persons in all
00:50:45 saved through uh the ark and the passage of water and uh and you know when the ark finally comes to
00:50:52 rest uh one of the sons is you know he uncovers his father's nakedness now i take that to mean
00:50:58 you look at leviticus you shall not uncover your father's nakedness it's not like dad's naked and
00:51:03 you point and laugh it's um to uncover your father's nakedness is to sleep with his wife
00:51:08 so i think it was a sexual immorality um and and it seems as though noah recognizes this around the
00:51:15 time that um his grandson is born canaan and he says cursed be canaan and i think part of the
00:51:22 reason he says cursed be canaan is i i think there was probably something physical like visibly
00:51:26 detectable that noah saw his grandson was like you slept with mom you know like something like
00:51:33 that so um that's not explicit in the text but i think uh it's a plausible inference um exegetically
00:51:40 it's it's allowed it's not heresy um but you know he this son is um his well technically the grandson
00:51:47 canaan is cursed now guys exegete different ways some guys say that ham the father nova's son and
00:51:53 the father of canaan was generally cursed and canaan particularly cursed and and that of course
00:51:59 comes to pass in the fact that Joshua, you know, centuries later, wipes out all the Canaanites.
00:52:03 Like, obviously, Canaan really was cursed and really did pay a heavy price. All the Canaanites 0.93
00:52:09 wiped out by the Israelites. But then maybe a general curse for, you know, the father and all 0.81
00:52:16 his other sons besides Canaan, the Hamites. But even if that's not, you know, because some guys 0.99
00:52:22 will say no, but it doesn't say cursed is Ham. And that's fine. Like, I think that that's plausible
00:52:28 also that it was just a curse for Canaan, the grandson, and not for Ham. But what we can say
00:52:32 for sure is even if Ham was not cursed, he wasn't blessed. Whereas the other two sons of Noah were 0.88
00:52:39 blessed for doing the right thing and not uncovering their father's nakedness and actually
00:52:43 correcting and rebuking their brother, you know, when he did this wicked thing in the sight of the
00:52:48 Lord. And, you know, so one of them is particularly blessed, Japheth, you know, and the other, you
00:52:52 You know, Shem is partially blessed, but Ham is either cursed or at least not blessed. 0.66
00:53:00 And that automatically is a hierarchy of blessing from the Lord. 0.78
00:53:04 And so then their descendants and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, so on and so forth.
00:53:07 And so I think there's some stock there.
00:53:10 I, you know, I think that in the finished work of Christ, though, I think he levels the playing field.
00:53:14 So I really do think that in the finished work of Christ that, you know, he comes to make his blessings flow as far as the curse is found.
00:53:21 And so if there was a curse of Ham, I don't think there is anymore.
00:53:26 I think that that's been broken.
00:53:28 However, another one of those scenarios was like, you got to let him cook.
00:53:32 Like if Ham and his descendants were cursed,
00:53:35 or even just his two brothers were exceedingly blessed and he was not,
00:53:40 but that was the state, that's a prophetic word from the Lord,
00:53:43 spoken through Noah, their father.
00:53:45 If that was a state for centuries and centuries and centuries until Christ came,
00:53:50 that has massive implications and then and then if you know descendants of ham um you know this 0.98
00:53:57 curse is broken but it wasn't even broken until 2 000 years ago and it had all of its effects for
00:54:02 centuries leading up to that and even though it's broken a lot of places in sub-sahara africa didn't
00:54:07 even hear the gospel like jesus came 2 000 years ago but the gospel didn't come to certain regions
00:54:12 until 200 years ago right so it just it takes time you know what i mean so i think there's the
00:54:17 geographic way of accounting and and i think there's true i i'm kind of of both persuasions
00:54:22 so i think there's practical uh temporal explanations like you articulated i think you
00:54:26 did really well and then i think there's also some biblical merit but notice in the in my
00:54:31 exegesis and the way i use the biblical merit um it doesn't necessitate that you say all
00:54:36 descendants of ham are in fact cursed and forever so so i don't even that i think it allows you to
00:54:43 be a race realist recognize race recognize disparities and these things and disparities
00:54:48 necessarily create hierarchies of some sort uh but you don't have to be a fatalist you don't have
00:54:53 to say and it'll be this way forever you can say the deck could shuffle in the province of god but
00:54:58 if it does it would be slowly in the same way that white people developed slowly right and uh
00:55:04 and i just think that like that's that's giving a biblical and practical account for something
00:55:10 that we can see with our eyes, you know?
00:55:14 And people can say you're being mean
00:55:16 or you're being racist,
00:55:17 but it's like, dude, I talk to young men.
00:55:20 You talk to young men.
00:55:22 The toothpaste doesn't go back in the tube, right?
00:55:24 I mean, it's like the verdict has come back in.
00:55:28 Like the kids are aware that race is real.
00:55:30 You know what I mean?
00:55:31 They're aware.
00:55:32 And so then I feel like the goal for me,
00:55:35 like being a pastor and being older,
00:55:36 and I think you, because you have so much influence,
00:55:39 You have a responsibility, a moral responsibility.
00:55:43 Okay, race is real.
00:55:44 So with my followers, I'm going to try to help them.
00:55:48 I'm not going to lie to them and say it's not real.
00:55:50 Of course it's real.
00:55:51 But I'm going to help them, one, to account for it.
00:55:53 Why?
00:55:54 And to do so biblically and reasonably.
00:55:57 And then two, how to live in light of it.
00:56:00 And to live in light of it wisely, shrewdly,
00:56:04 the discernment but also compassion kindness right you know fairness and what other position
00:56:12 are you going to take i'm telling you dude like it's not like well 10 years from now six months
00:56:16 from now we're going to be losers we're going to be total moderates the kids are going to think
00:56:21 that we're lame yeah like this is this is not a crazy position no not at all and and unfortunately
00:56:26 it does seem that you know with a lot of this stuff it the older that i get it's sort of
00:56:32 interesting when all of this started let's say like 10 years ago when the really woke politically
00:56:38 correct stuff started around race it was very common for people like us to say uh well hey i'm
00:56:44 not racist all i'm saying is this because things that are common sense or even just blunt were
00:56:52 called racist and hateful and it went so far so fast and it was disorienting i remember being in
00:57:00 school and saying you know you'd be like referring to somebody oh that that black guy over there
00:57:06 they'd say that's racist literally it's literally black literally yeah and i remember growing up and
00:57:13 being like are you kidding me like we're gonna ignore that guy's a different color than everybody
00:57:18 like what am i supposed that guy with glasses there's two people with glasses uh some other
00:57:23 like okay he's the black one you know um but people would say that's racist and and implying
00:57:29 that's hateful you hate them right for acknowledging that they're a different color right and so it
00:57:36 started out i think everyone can relate to this we all started out from this point of view that
00:57:43 we were all liberal basically on race yeah deeply liberal right yeah no dude i i i i'm convicted all
00:57:50 the time i'm like i'm still kind of a liberal many whites are even even of our persuasion yeah even
00:57:55 me on some level it's just so deeply it is it is it feels weird i'm like i can't think that and
00:58:01 then i'll try to think about it objectively biblically and i'm like actually that's true
00:58:05 why do i have such an aversion to something that's clearly true right and because i'm a lib
00:58:10 yeah well and you start out that way and you say i'm not racist i all i'm saying is this all i'm
00:58:18 saying is that and what i have noticed though in the past 10 years is i do legitimately see that
00:58:25 there are people that are filled with hatred yeah and it's rare but we we have to be honest and call
00:58:32 spade a spade i do see people that have become emboldened and they're riled up and they're not
00:58:38 the brightest but people that are like no i i am a racial idolater and race is everything to me and
00:58:45 I hate these other, oh, these other groups are blah, blah, blah, and that's why it's important
00:58:51 to be nuanced about, and I hate the word nuance, but like, you have to be precise about what you're
00:58:56 talking about, and I am adamantly against racial hatred, because I'm against hatred. I don't hate
00:59:01 individuals. I don't hate races, and I would say it's not even that you dislike them. It's just a
00:59:08 recognition that the world is comprised of peoples and the peopling it matters it means
00:59:15 something it's real in it's biological but it also means something to us like to be black to
00:59:22 be white it means something to black people to white people it means something to each other
00:59:27 so it's sociological and it's real and we have to account for it and and we we code switch we
00:59:33 talk to black people we talk differently we talk to other groups more sensitivity you know maybe
00:59:39 we mirror some of their mannerisms or something um and that's one thing and it's a completely
00:59:45 different thing to say that we live and die by our race that our race is our uniform and you know
00:59:52 we're going to bat you know because i think about this a lot and i think about how you know you can
00:59:59 spend a lot of time with someone from another race and really have a good relationship with
01:00:05 them on account of they're a good person. And you can admire that they have character and integrity
01:00:10 and you really find you can grow a deep bond because you respect a person morally. You respect
01:00:16 their faith, their character, et cetera. And so there is something deeper than race. There is
01:00:23 actually something deeper that's universal at the same time that's a a gap that you may never fully
01:00:31 bridge because at the end of the day there are certain things when you're going to be reminded
01:00:37 we look at things differently because of who we are because we're white and they're black or
01:00:41 hispanic or whatever at the end of the day we do tend to favor being with our own kind we don't
01:00:48 like to feel like aliens we want to feel familiar and and so it's like it's tough to kind of balance
01:00:55 between a primitive racial hatred and like what what you would call xenophobia just hatred of
01:01:02 those that are not like you at the same time there is something in my opinion natural and actually
01:01:09 good about tribalism in itself that look we like being around people that look like us it is that
01:01:16 simple for me right and people ask me about well because we like being around people who look like
01:01:21 us because the people who look like us have the highest likelihood of being like us right it's
01:01:26 the the skin color the the outward visible um you know uh extremities are not arbitrary they
01:01:36 are visible external markers of a certain kind of person and you know again always exceptions
01:01:43 but it's like yeah uh this person who looks exactly like that person chances are um not just
01:01:50 with their physical appearance but with their behaviors with their um their values with this
01:01:55 that and the other there's probably some similarities right we want to be with people
01:02:01 who look like us because we want to be with people who are like us right well and you know
01:02:06 nobody wants to be a minority yeah at the end of the day and what's funny is like we think about 0.80
01:02:12 black people they're they've been a minority in america forever and that's why they have the 0.98
01:02:18 black community they want to go somewhere where they are the majority right they're in a neighborhood 0.97
01:02:23 where it's all black faces and so or a church right and in in a neighborhood in a church 0.82
01:02:30 because i think there is something like i the thought of living in a community of people
01:02:36 where I'm the only one that looks and acts like me,
01:02:39 even by the way, if I were, let's say in the South,
01:02:44 because I'm like a Yankee, a Northerner.
01:02:47 I'm Italian.
01:02:49 I'm an American ethnic.
01:02:50 I'm a Catholic.
01:02:51 Even among Southern white people, 0.68
01:02:55 I would feel like a fish out of water. 0.61
01:02:57 And there would be something deeply disconcerting
01:03:00 because I love my home.
01:03:01 I love where I came from. 1.00
01:03:03 But would I prefer that over being in a community of all Indian people 1.00
01:03:08 where they all speak with an accent and aren't even Christian? 1.00
01:03:11 Like, of course. 0.95
01:03:12 So it's like a gradient on some level.
01:03:15 And I don't think there's anything wrong with being around people that are like us.
01:03:19 We have to stop being shy about that.
01:03:22 And by the way, every other non-white group goes exactly the same way. 0.89
01:03:26 Every group has an in-group preference or is their own in-group preference 0.52
01:03:30 except for white people. 0.97
01:03:31 Right. 0.99
01:03:32 It's crazy.
01:03:32 We're the only people who are our own out group.
01:03:38 Yes.
01:03:39 Isn't that crazy?
01:03:40 And it's like, it's not even race.
01:03:43 It's like ethnicity.
01:03:44 Koreans want to be with Koreans. 0.97
01:03:45 Chinese want to be with Chinese. 0.98
01:03:47 Arabs want to be with Arabs. 0.76
01:03:48 Whites, we're like, no, we don't even want a home to call our own. 1.00
01:03:52 We want every country to go away.
01:03:55 It's like, be careful what you wish for.
01:03:57 I think we would all hate that.
01:03:58 I don't like that at all.
01:04:00 Agreed.
01:04:00 Okay, very end.
01:04:02 Um, so I agree with everything you just said. I think it's well said. I think it's thoughtful.
01:04:08 I think it's perfectly reasonable. There's nothing extreme about it. You know, leftists
01:04:13 will say whatever they want to say. Well, let's be honest. Conservatives will say it too. Um,
01:04:18 but once upon a time and not even that long ago, um, you know, in terms of your position,
01:04:25 I think your position was mostly the same, but your rhetoric, like I mentioned earlier.
01:04:28 um so two questions why why did you used to speak about race you know inward things like that like
01:04:37 the way that you did and then also second question why'd you stop because it does seem like you've
01:04:42 stopped like you're you're pivoting like you're the same guy i'm not saying you've sold out or
01:04:46 anything like that but you know you you used to talk a certain way and just for the record i've
01:04:51 told you this you know personally but um i'm uh i wouldn't have done that but i i'm i am sympathetic
01:04:58 in the sense that you're a 17 year old kid your life is blown up with less than a thousand twitter
01:05:02 followers everybody hates you you're single you're not beholden to anybody and so you lean in and
01:05:08 play the heel i can i see that calculus i feel it sometimes one of the things that keeps me from
01:05:14 doing is i have a wife and five kids in a church you know but like if i was like if i was 17 and
01:05:19 single and everybody says i'm a monster i'd be like i'll show you a monster you know like i get
01:05:24 it i'm sympathetic to that um and then i think there was also kind of like a shibboleth like a 0.79
01:05:28 like a um a litmus test of sorts of like when in a world that's completely fake and gay you know
01:05:34 by saying a single word you know you you're like it's not even that you believe it or that you mean 0.91
01:05:40 you know but it's just like it proves like i'm not bought i'm not beholden i'm not um i'm real
01:05:46 um you know so i i can see why you you did and and then also you can just get carried away and
01:05:52 it's funny and people are laughing and you, you know, and like,
01:05:55 so I can see all the reasons, I guess, why,
01:05:57 but it does seem like you've pivoted.
01:05:59 I don't feel that way.
01:06:01 Okay. Explain.
01:06:02 I feel like, um, cause I still make some pretty irreverent jokes.
01:06:06 I still say the N word a lot. And, um, you know,
01:06:12 I saw one clip where you're like, we want to be a serious operation.
01:06:15 So we're going to start. So that's when I'm basing it off of,
01:06:18 cause I, you know, I've,
01:06:19 I've tuned into certain parts of the show from time to time, but I'm,
01:06:21 you know, I'm not watching every episode.
01:06:24 So I, so this is news to me.
01:06:25 So everything I just said, I just discounted. 0.98
01:06:27 So you're still an N-word aficionado.
01:06:30 Oh yeah.
01:06:31 Okay.
01:06:31 And you know, and.
01:06:33 So then, then let's go to the first part of the question.
01:06:35 Why?
01:06:36 Why say the N-word?
01:06:37 Yeah.
01:06:37 Because I think it's just a word.
01:06:39 Okay.
01:06:39 I think it's because I say a lot of swear words and racial slurs on my show.
01:06:42 And to me, that's just how you communicate.
01:06:44 I mean, not, not that I go around calling people racial slurs,
01:06:48 but what i didn't like about the n-word is it you know this is the only word it's treated more like
01:06:58 a blasphemy yeah than like a swear word it's like religious because people on tv you can blaspheme
01:07:05 jesus christ correct and that was my first realization that something was terribly wrong
01:07:09 because it's like you can worship the devil and blaspheme christ and you can by the way even if 0.96
01:07:16 you're not religious you can say the most filthy abhorrent scatological things sexual things perverse 0.99
01:07:24 things and that's fine you could you could have the filthiest mouth like like uh goodfellas 0.99
01:07:30 170 f-bombs in a movie right but this one word we're now going to act like we're in preschool
01:07:38 and say the n-word we're not even going to utter it well and for this show we are going to be in
01:07:43 preschool year for the sake of YouTube. I appreciate you being respectful. Yes. Cause
01:07:48 it's your platform and I recognize the weight of it. Um, but, but it really bothered me that
01:07:53 it was an imposition that you can't utter it. Even context dependent, um, you cannot even
01:08:01 utter the syllables or else we will like fire you from your job. Your wife will leave you like
01:08:08 you'll, you'll get hit in the head with the skateboard. Like this is the kind of thing 1.00
01:08:13 where it's like he uttered the word,
01:08:15 he signed his death warrant.
01:08:17 Right.
01:08:17 And to me, I just decided like,
01:08:20 and to be perfectly honest with you,
01:08:23 it was never about being a shock jock.
01:08:25 It was never about making a point.
01:08:28 It was just saying, I don't play that game.
01:08:31 Like I'm a real person.
01:08:33 I'm not politically correct at all.
01:08:36 And, you know, for a time when I got started,
01:08:39 I avoided saying that
01:08:41 because I didn't want to get canceled.
01:08:43 any further actually was the opposite but at a certain point i said you know what screw that
01:08:49 who cares and i try not to use it to be an edgelord because honestly it's not edgy anymore
01:08:58 to say it you know so it's not it's not funny a lot of times for that reason uh but i just try
01:09:04 to speak in an unfiltered way and if the situation calls for it i'm gonna say it if i'm talking about
01:09:10 that word i'm gonna say the word and if it's for a joke i'll do it with the soft a you know to be
01:09:16 funny or something but i just hate this because to me it almost enforces like a severe negative
01:09:25 attitude about white people this like but you can't say that who told you you can say that it's
01:09:32 like excuse me you can say it but i can't why because i'm white and that i hate because there's 0.51
01:09:41 nothing like that for whites right and by the way for all of the sanctimony about the word 0.97
01:09:48 do whites really care about or excuse me do blacks ever care about offending white people 0.94
01:09:53 no never never they'll the stuff they say on tv is like wipe away your white tears and do the work 1.00
01:10:02 and find out why your ancestors are evil.
01:10:05 I mean, literally, like many, not all,
01:10:08 but many of them explicitly, openly hate us.
01:10:12 And we can't utter a word devoid of context.
01:10:16 Why?
01:10:17 Because it might offend them.
01:10:18 I say, you know, I'm an American.
01:10:20 I can say whatever I want.
01:10:21 So it wasn't even about making a point.
01:10:23 It's just like, I'm not playing that game
01:10:24 and I'll pay the price.
01:10:26 All right, cool.
01:10:28 Thanks for the episode.
01:10:29 Appreciate it.
01:10:29 Yeah, thank you.
01:10:30 All right.
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