The NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - Understanding “Race Realism” (w⧸Nick Fuentes) - EP8

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00:02:40.000 Radical Christian Nationalist Pastor, Joel Webin.

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00:03:10.000 Blacks, Jews, and whites, what does Nick Fuentes think about race?

00:03:16.680 Well, as far as race is concerned, obviously very touchy subject, big subject.

00:03:23.300 I would say that race is real.

00:03:25.340 I would call myself a race realist is where I would start because I think that on the right now, even maybe more than the left, we have come to this consensus that race is not real.

00:03:37.380 Right. And the message that's pushed is colorblindness is supposed to be the way that we look at each other and the way that we govern the country. But I think that's a mistake. The reality is that race is a biological phenomenon. It's a genetic phenomenon. And there's this narrative people talk about or a word that people use. They say that race is skin deep.

00:03:59.780 And when we talk about racial differences or racial disparities or racial politics, people like to say things like, well, why should the color of a person's skin matter?

00:04:11.000 And I think the record of the past 60 years in America with the Civil Rights Act, with the multiracial politics, is that we know that for a fact race is not just skin deep.

00:04:25.840 It's not just different shades of different colors. To the extent that there are different colors, it's a result of a genetic biological difference. And it does reflect other genetic biological differences in appearance, in behavior, in culture, in mindset. 0.68

00:04:42.820 And that, I think, is at the center. That question is at the center of politics today as America has become a multiracial nation, is a country with all these different fundamentally people living together. How exactly are we going to get along and how great are the differences and what are they?

00:05:04.720 right i've heard some people say what if it was the contents of character all along

00:05:09.440 and not to say in a universal sense each and every single individual but that's what we're

00:05:14.740 always doing when you think of prejudice um it's to prejudge prejudice in in the negative

00:05:21.260 connotation i think really is um i think it's immoral but but in the technical sense of like

00:05:28.740 we're constantly making judgments all day long. Um, and we're also, you know, making prejudgments

00:05:35.720 and some of those prejudgments can be arbitrary and can be sinful, but then some of them are

00:05:40.880 based off of patterns and statistics and all these things to, uh, to give us an idea of an

00:05:47.120 expectation of something that's, that's foreign or strange to us. So I don't know. Um, but I'd

00:05:53.420 like to have an idea ahead of time. And so I'm going to rely on past experiences. I'm going to

00:05:58.660 rely on averages those kinds of things you know the the favorite verse of every liberal who

00:06:04.500 ultimately hates christ but it's like you know i don't believe your bible the meme i don't believe

00:06:08.620 your bible would never follow it but perhaps i can use it against you you know like um the favorite

00:06:12.880 verse is matthew chapter 7 where it says you know um judge not you know and that's all they do but

00:06:17.620 the first five verses are about not judging but then the immediate following verse matthew chapter

00:06:22.860 7 verse 6 is do not give to do not cast your pearls before swine or give what is holy to dogs

00:06:31.240 and the irony is so Jesus is commanding us his disciples not to give sacred things to those who

00:06:39.540 will not appreciate them which requires to not to obey that command and to not you know give pearls

00:06:45.960 to swine you have to make a judgment so five verses about not judging and then a verse that

00:06:52.220 commands us to do something that uh that holds as a prerequisite making a judgment so obviously i

00:06:58.440 think the interpretation is um don't make sinful judgments but not all judgment is sinful there's

00:07:05.140 a way of being uh like judgmentalism versus judgment what is discernment other than judgment

00:07:11.900 you know like we're caught we're called and commanded expected to be discerning and to make

00:07:17.140 righteous judgments. So then the only question left, so there's good judgment, bad judgment,

00:07:22.960 righteous judgment, sinful judgment. So then the only question left is pre-judgment.

00:07:27.000 But when it comes to pre-judgment, it's, again, not inherently sinful to say, well, you know, like,

00:07:35.880 you know, I run a business and, you know, I've hired over the course of the last 20 years of

00:07:42.160 running this business. I've hired, you know, a hundred employees under the age of 25 and 98 of

00:07:47.660 them have stolen from the company. Like if that guy says, you know, you know, like he decides

00:07:52.720 from now on, I'm not going to hire, you know, kids, you know, I'm going to hire guys who are

00:07:57.640 older. Like we wouldn't say that that's sinful, but not all 22 year olds, you know, steal money

00:08:04.040 from the company. Of course, you know, like, you know, help. I'm being overwhelmed by ants,

00:08:09.440 not all ants you know like so like so there's a way of doing that without being mean-spirited

00:08:14.580 without being hateful um uh and yet still it is technically prejudice but not in the sinful

00:08:22.500 negative connotation of mean-spirited or unjustifiable universal hatred towards an

00:08:27.560 entire class of people um but it's simply it's simply exercising pre-judgment and i think that

00:08:34.780 we can do that uh not just race would just be one category but you can do that in a number of cases

00:08:41.180 and i think that instinctively without even realizing it we all do we already do that right

00:08:46.080 you know and so then to come up with some kind of um propaganda that says so you can do this thing

00:08:52.560 that everybody's instinctively doing all along but you can't do it in this one category and that one

00:08:57.940 category it actually kind of matters it kind of matters that you be able to follow your better

00:09:03.840 judgment and like yeah i'm not going to go to that side of town at this particular time of day

00:09:08.240 um in in a way it's it seems like even a recipe for a liability you know like irena really

00:09:15.460 shouldn't have been on that train right you know well and i would say that the the grave error

00:09:21.880 is the individualism that i think the germ of the problem is in individualism where it says that

00:09:27.880 individualism is the way of grouping people and it says that society how is society constructed

00:09:36.780 out of what composite it's constructed out of a composite of individual human beings

00:09:43.800 the individual which is sort of like an abstract quality and it says that an individual inherent

00:09:49.520 in individualism is that you're a grown-up because you're rational and can make decisions

00:09:54.480 and have responsibility, but it also says that you're not deeply influenced and connected to

00:10:02.260 other people. And so for me, I think from the point of view of race, we have to depart from

00:10:09.020 individualism starting with the family, which is to say that, you know, me, I'm a 27-year-old man,

00:10:16.660 but I didn't, I wasn't born an adult man. I was born a baby to two parents, to a mother and a

00:10:24.040 father, just like they were born to a mother and a father. And our mothers and fathers imprint on us

00:10:31.580 our habits, our way of speaking, certain characteristics. You know, if you see a tall

00:10:37.620 person, what is one of the first questions you say? If you see a really tall person,

00:10:42.320 your parents must be really tall. A very smart person or musician, who are your parents?

00:10:48.660 and is not race,

00:10:51.880 but kind of a collection of people

00:10:54.520 that descend from the same forefathers

00:10:56.560 and have these kinds of cultural groupings.

00:10:59.700 Like, and there's something interesting about prejudice,

00:11:02.940 which is-

00:11:03.160 All the families, the Bible,

00:11:04.580 there's like all the families of the earth.

00:11:06.620 Right.

00:11:07.020 Like the nation is an extended family.

00:11:09.400 So like, in some sense,

00:11:11.180 you can say that races are different families writ large.

00:11:14.860 Extended families.

00:11:16.860 And yeah, and it only makes common sense

00:11:18.500 because they come from the same place. 0.67

00:11:21.340 Ultimately, the race is the white people come from Europe.

00:11:25.300 And within the white people, the Nords come from Northern Europe. 0.93

00:11:28.600 The Meds come from Southern Europe. 1.00

00:11:30.000 The Slobs come from Eastern Europe. 1.00

00:11:32.840 The Asians come from Asia. 1.00

00:11:34.420 The black people come from Africa. 0.98

00:11:36.520 Even the black people in Haiti, Dominican Republic, 1.00

00:11:38.700 they come from Africa.

00:11:40.820 So it is, in a sense, an extended family.

00:11:44.780 And I would say that even as far as prejudice is concerned,

00:11:47.280 there's something else interesting that happens, which is I find when I order an Uber in Chicago

00:11:54.440 and I get a black driver, they have the same skin color. They're of the same race,

00:12:00.960 but how they dress and speak is going to change what my prejudice is. Because if they speak

00:12:10.880 in African-American vernacular English. 0.66

00:12:13.320 And if they're dressed like a Chicagoan from the South Side, 0.96

00:12:17.840 I know I'm going to maybe be in for a bumpy ride.

00:12:20.760 We might be driving on the shoulder

00:12:22.380 on the way to get where we're going. 1.00

00:12:24.660 But if they start speaking in an African accent 0.96

00:12:27.860 and they're wearing different clothes, 1.00

00:12:30.380 I have a completely different prejudice.

00:12:33.500 And I say, you're probably a student.

00:12:36.120 You're probably the child of a doctor or something on a visa.

00:12:40.540 And I think that as far as these kinds of stereotypes are concerned, I've always thought of it as economizing on information, which is that you don't know everything about every person that you come into contact with.

00:12:53.620 We make assumptions, generalizations based on a variety of things.

00:12:58.980 And, you know, that speaks to the fact that it's it's not necessarily the color of that person, but it's kind of like the behavior of their tribe, so to speak. 0.69

00:13:08.500 And if you see an African-American, it's kind of funny, we talk about race, we jump right to. 0.81

00:13:14.480 If you're walking down an alley at night and you see a black person, you know, but that's naturally, we tend to associate race with racism and the sensitivity around race to prejudice.

00:13:24.980 When we see black people, it's not their skin color.

00:13:29.500 It's a number of things that indicate you're part of a certain cultural milieu.

00:13:34.360 You're part of a certain tribe because I think anybody recognizes that if you see, like I said, a black person from Africa, it's a whole different set of stereotypes and expectations.

00:13:45.360 Even if you see an African-American and maybe they just are wearing different clothes, you might say, oh, this is maybe a different sort of a person.

00:13:53.860 and i think that if they're wearing glasses there was a there was a curb your enthusiasm episode 0.54

00:13:59.620 where uh larry has a black friend and he discovers like uh that if he puts on fake glasses he can get

00:14:06.540 into like any any room right everyone immediately starts treating him differently so yeah or wearing

00:14:11.140 a backpack or you know polo shirt or whatever um and and i think that speaks to i think it

00:14:18.640 elucidates when people there's this preoccupation in the country with racism you have to actually

00:14:24.240 break down what we mean by that and prejudice is always associated with that and stereotyping

00:14:31.240 and generalizations i think at this point everybody recognizes there's there's almost

00:14:35.800 nothing wrong with that in itself there's nothing wrong actually with stereotyping by itself the

00:14:42.020 problem is when you treat people unfairly based on that or you don't give people a chance or

00:14:49.080 somebody breaks the stereotype and you won't let them you won't let them break the stereotype you

00:14:53.800 know it's like this person really is remarkable really is an exception and i just refuse to allow

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00:16:35.660 Knick-knack. Crush your vice. Right. And that speaks to how we are part of groups. We also

00:16:43.280 have a capacity as individuals to be independent and to have kind of a unique taste or whatever.

00:16:49.900 So I don't think they're necessarily mutually exclusive in that way. People think it's all

00:16:55.960 or nothing either. Somebody walks into a shop and we're going to say, we're so race blind. I don't

00:17:02.740 even know what color that person is. I have no idea what to expect versus, oh, I see a person

00:17:09.380 of a certain color. I know exactly what they're about. I think everyone recognizes there's a 1.00

00:17:14.240 position in the middle, which is realistic. Agreed. So I've come to the point where I tell 0.73

00:17:20.920 people i'm not a race essentialist um christian um buddhist hindu muslim uh you know judaism like

00:17:32.480 those things uh would be um more important to me so religion would trump race so i'm not a race

00:17:38.520 essentialist i'm also not a racial determinist um i don't think things change in 15 minutes but uh

00:17:44.820 we, you know, we talked about this, um, offline, but I do think that, uh, that things can change,

00:17:51.260 um, over time. And so, uh, so I don't, I'm not fatalistic that it's set in the stars, that

00:17:57.200 every race will be exactly as it is today for all of time. Um, I think that people can change,

00:18:03.360 albeit slowly, albeit slowly. Uh, so not a race essentialist, not a race, um, determinist,

00:18:09.320 uh, but I think, you know, race realist is probably the best term that I've heard so far.

00:18:14.460 I think there's even with that, there's some baggage attached that ways that I would want

00:18:18.180 to distinguish myself, but I think I'm, I'm fairly comfortable using that label.

00:18:23.680 And, you know, for, for myself as a Christian and a pastor, like I always want to be able

00:18:28.320 to account for things typically, you know, and one of, one of the passages that I think

00:18:33.500 of, and I'd love to get your thoughts on this.

00:18:35.360 I'm sure you're probably familiar, but in Titus, the very beginning of, you know, Paul's

00:18:41.500 letter to Titus, kind of like Timothy, another young man in the faith. He opens up by saying,

00:18:46.980 this is why I left you in Crete, in the Isle of Crete, to put what remains in order, appointing

00:18:51.460 elders in all the churches. And he goes in the first chapter into the qualifications for an elder

00:18:56.580 in the church. And then a little later in the letter to Titus, and this is all in the New

00:19:03.060 Testament, Paul, he doesn't actually say it himself, but he's quoting one of the Cretan 0.99

00:19:09.340 prophets he says one of your own said all cretins are um are uh uh gluttons liars and lazy beasts 0.98

00:19:19.220 and then but then he does say and this is true it's like you know based apostle paul you know 0.98

00:19:26.280 so like um but here's the thing that i think you have to hold intention to be fair so um the quote 0.99

00:19:32.500 from a cretin prophet is hey i'm cretin myself but let's let's be honest uh you know cretins suck 0.99

00:19:39.900 you know and they suck in particular ways not just generally but they're known for these 1.00

00:19:45.120 particular things they're lazy uh they're uh beastly so maybe low um uh like uh impulse control 0.99

00:19:54.880 you know they're they're uh impulsive um and they're gluttons you know so uh indulgent um 0.89

00:20:02.520 you know and dishonest you know so these kinds of things um and the apostle paul validates that and

00:20:09.100 says uh he nailed it uh this is true yet holding intention at the very same time the opening to

00:20:17.220 the letter is this is why i left you in crete to put what remains in order appointing elders

00:20:22.340 in all the churches and here are the qualifications for being an elder, a pastor, a bishop in the

00:20:27.880 church of Christ. Well, who is Titus going to find to meet these qualifications to appoint as elders

00:20:33.700 in Cretan churches? Cretans. So I take that to mean like the apostle Paul on the one hand is 0.98

00:20:38.880 saying in general, right, which is different than universal, but in general, the Cretans as a people

00:20:46.560 collectively are not great. And not just in a general sense, like generally, but not in a vague

00:20:52.840 sense, but in these particular areas, there are particular sins that are besetting and generally

00:21:00.380 true of the Cretan people as a whole, not just this one Cretan as an individual, but no, you

00:21:05.420 could actually describe the Cretans collectively in these negative ways and you would be generally

00:21:11.040 right. And yet one, because that's general, not universal, there will always be exceptions. And

00:21:17.780 two, because of the power of the gospel, Christ actually changes hearts. I think that there will

00:21:23.220 be some cretins that will be fit to be ministers. And this is why I left you there to put that. 1.00

00:21:28.900 And I feel like we can do, and I can do that. Honestly, I can do it with Europeans. And I 1.00

00:21:32.600 wouldn't say historically, I wouldn't say King Alfred is what I'm about to describe white people.

00:21:36.900 but today like today i would say um and i could say all people and and you have to understand

00:21:43.920 the discipline all people a generalization of course there are exceptions but in a general 0.99

00:21:47.900 sense i would say all white people are um suicidal toxic uh empathy and uh cowardly 0.98

00:21:56.820 and that's why the west is falling apart um and then i feel like i could also say 0.99

00:22:02.920 all black people are um impulsive um lazy like i could list some particular sentence and again 0.84

00:22:17.580 in general of course there are exceptions i don't i'm not thinking of thomas soul 0.98

00:22:21.400 you know not thinking of clarence thomas and i think i could also to go one step further say

00:22:26.180 all jews are subversive um and you know there would of course be some exceptions there as well

00:22:34.540 but the point is i think the bible actually has a category for that all cretins so i'm not just 0.98

00:22:40.720 being and and and i can say those things and and not say and therefore i hate them 0.79

00:22:46.060 or i wish them harm right or i would mistreat them as a lower class of you know or deprive

00:22:52.960 them of certain rights, but I can still prejudge. I know that among these people, because the apple

00:23:00.240 doesn't fall too far from the tree, it's just race is a tribe. It's an extended family. And I

00:23:06.560 know that this family has these kinds of characteristics, both good and bad. Here are

00:23:11.960 some of the bad ones in particular. And so if this is a black man who's a member of my church 0.54

00:23:19.100 and a friend i'm not thinking about any of that right i'm thinking about what i know at the

00:23:23.380 individual level because i individually know him but if it's a perfect stranger and i've never met

00:23:28.020 before then i'm thinking of and i do this with white people i meet a random white person and 0.99

00:23:33.900 um in 2025 and i'm thinking this guy's probably a cuck like he's probably cowardly probably you 0.96

00:23:41.880 know this that and the other and i have a fairly high statistical chance of being right right you 0.92

00:23:47.760 You know, so I don't think that that's mean.

00:23:49.920 I don't think that's a sin.

00:23:51.400 No.

00:23:51.880 You know, what do you think?

00:23:53.480 Yeah, I think that, you know,

00:23:54.900 my favorite quote is from Sam Francis.

00:23:57.020 I'm sure you heard me say this,

00:23:58.380 but he's, or I think it was Pat Buchanan, actually.

00:24:00.940 He said, race is not everything, but it isn't nothing.

00:24:05.380 And I think everyone recognizes

00:24:07.160 that it's somewhere in between

00:24:10.100 because it would be ridiculous to say

00:24:11.960 that we can't make any generalizations

00:24:14.240 because you can make generalizations about anything.

00:24:16.560 You can make generalizations about people from different generations, boomers, millennials,

00:24:22.540 zoomers. 0.83

00:24:23.160 You make generalizations about people that live in California. 0.67

00:24:26.380 You can make, you know, and yes, that also applies to the races also as a distinct group.

00:24:32.980 And we have layers of identity, you know, as Americans, as people of a certain generation,

00:24:38.640 people of a certain race.

00:24:40.280 And of course, there are certain attitudes that come with that.

00:24:44.800 attitudes behaviors and at the same time you'd recognize it would be ignorant to say that that

00:24:52.000 like you said applies universally to every single member right and that is so vilified then if you

00:24:59.120 make any generalization they're saying you're ignorantly applying that to everyone in all cases

00:25:05.920 with no exceptions and you're doing it in a hateful way be irrationally because of some 1.00

00:25:12.840 base xenophobia because yeah they say it's two things one you're dumb and ignorant but also 0.99

00:25:17.220 you're mean and malicious it's hateful and pointed yeah when it really isn't i mean on some level 0.99

00:25:23.480 we we have to audit our society if we want to make things better for anyone and and every group has

00:25:30.620 their strengths and weaknesses every group has their um you know things that that's just how

00:25:36.920 they do these things um you know like you would say with white people clearly white people have

00:25:43.180 lots of problems and you're able to say that very freely you know what what you just said yeah the

00:25:48.840 first part was easy yes the next part even nick quintus i noticed you're like what's he gonna say

00:25:55.520 and what's funny is because what you said will be clipped it will not the part where you said 0.98

00:26:00.260 whites are cowardly correct but the part where you said blacks are lazy that's right why we all 0.99

00:26:04.960 know why um but it's true you could say that whites have a lot of problems blacks obviously 1.00

00:26:09.700 have a lot of problems uh jews have problems muslims have problems but we exist also not the 0.99

00:26:16.960 same problems which is kind of part of what i was getting it wasn't just uh all cretins are bad 0.99

00:26:21.180 right but in these particular ways and it helps to know right it helps to know well because they're

00:26:27.040 descriptive they're qualitative it's not a put down and saying uh you're bad you're less than

00:26:32.920 you're inferior but it's saying that and i like to use the word sin because i do think that they

00:26:38.640 are kind of like concentrated sins they are um particular sins um that are sadly um generally

00:26:47.440 accurate in describing a particular people right yeah and i i don't think it does us any good to

00:26:54.760 um ignore those things but the reason it is the way it is these like double standards because

00:27:00.640 that's also where we enter in on the subject of race is we talk about race naturally people talk

00:27:07.680 about racism how is it wrong to acknowledge race how is it wrong to talk about race and then it

00:27:14.520 naturally leads into how the particular races are treated differently and some say that there's

00:27:21.740 racism against the non-whites by the whites increasingly people say it's in reverse it's

00:27:27.060 gone so far in the other direction but i think what is glaring is the historical context which

00:27:34.140 people often miss maybe on our side people don't talk about or they refuse to acknowledge

00:27:39.620 is that we're coming up on maybe the end of 500 years of preeminence by europeans by whites 0.99

00:27:49.420 that's sort of the elephant in the room they're like non-whites that's their preoccupation 0.69

00:27:54.840 and whites because we are white don't maybe even realize the gravity of this but this has not 0.94

00:28:01.720 always been the way of the world right because at various points in time the ottoman turks were the

00:28:08.540 pinnacle of civilization or the islamic caliphate or the chinese and at various times the relative

00:28:14.900 distribution of wealth and power was different meaning that maybe there was some parity between

00:28:20.820 the orient and the west and of course these uncontacted uh more primitive civilizations

00:28:26.840 like africa and america didn't have to deal with white people but we're talking about 500 years of 0.82

00:28:32.960 whites because of the industrial revolution because of the enlightenment rapidly gaining 0.56

00:28:38.540 relative power and then imposing that power on other people and systematizing that power

00:28:47.340 And it's in this context.

00:28:50.020 This is where you get this Marxist definition of racism

00:28:52.800 where they say, well, it's prejudice plus power.

00:28:55.540 And the power is sort of critical.

00:28:56.940 Right.

00:28:57.680 Because- 1.00

00:28:58.280 Which is why like a black person,

00:28:59.820 a minority can't be racist.

00:29:01.400 Right. 0.95

00:29:02.260 Only white people can be racist. 0.97

00:29:04.400 Well, because they say, well, 0.87

00:29:05.760 you can't inflict these like attitudes on people

00:29:09.740 using power either overtly or in a more subtle way.

00:29:14.260 And I would say that, you know, that is that's just kind of like rhetoric. I mean, to me, it is obviously true. And it's even also true to this day that that European civilization predominates, but it doesn't make it any less true what's happening with these other people, the black people.

00:29:34.840 And and by the way, I would say to the contrary, it almost proves what we're saying about these groups or the disparities between them, because the sensitivity lies in that black and brown people and even Asians on some level have been under the heel of the whites for 500 years. 0.52

00:29:54.480 And the way they say it is they drew the short end of the stick. 0.99

00:29:58.640 It's because whites are violent or whites are cruel. 0.99

00:30:02.180 I would say it's because whites were more developed. 1.00

00:30:04.520 That's really, that's the elephant in the room. 1.00

00:30:06.860 Right.

00:30:07.360 And nobody wants to, because where even do you get the power dynamic? 0.84

00:30:11.220 It's that whites were able to inflict on other people 0.95

00:30:15.900 because of their technological prowess, their organization, 0.98

00:30:19.460 their societal development.

00:30:20.780 and these other civilizations were weak.

00:30:24.420 You know, Columbus Day,

00:30:25.280 we're shooting this around Columbus Day.

00:30:27.960 It's not that they weren't willing to inflict that,

00:30:31.140 they couldn't.

00:30:31.980 And they couldn't because they didn't have

00:30:33.660 our level of development.

00:30:34.880 And with anyone that they could, they didn't.

00:30:36.960 Exactly.

00:30:37.580 Right?

00:30:37.980 Like it wasn't missiles,

00:30:39.640 but it was rocks or whatever.

00:30:41.360 But I mean, like you think of, you know,

00:30:43.840 historically Africa,

00:30:44.880 it's not like a bunch of Europeans

00:30:46.760 were running through the jungle, you know,

00:30:48.420 and capturing people. 0.96

00:30:49.160 They were lined up on the beach to be sold by other blacks. 0.97

00:30:54.080 Right. 0.77

00:30:54.700 You know, so everybody has been oppressive.

00:30:58.380 Right. 0.96

00:30:58.980 White people just did it exceedingly well. 0.92

00:31:01.300 Yes, yes, excelled at organized violence, which is the highest. 0.99

00:31:06.040 It's basically in terms of human activity, it's the highest aspiration.

00:31:11.300 You know, Patton had a quote like this.

00:31:13.220 It's the highest thing that a person can aspire to because, I mean,

00:31:16.900 that's ultimately what what the history of humanity is is conflict organized conflict between groups 0.99

00:31:22.040 and so there's a reckoning now about this and you know the browns and blacks are saying well 0.83

00:31:29.960 we have been subjugated and we have drawn the short end of the stick we have less less resources 0.90

00:31:36.780 less power and that means that our lives and organizations been dictated to us by whites 0.84

00:31:42.340 and whites are saying well there's a reason for that right and you sort of see these things now

00:31:48.900 playing out within america now that we have a very diverse country right and um and i think that

00:31:56.540 regardless this is an inflection point for the history of the world because it's always been a

00:32:02.980 clash of civilizations but now i think for the first time the clash is happening on the interior

00:32:09.280 It's happening from within.

00:32:11.240 It's happening inside the border through politics.

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00:32:44.500 And so it's sort of a difficult, it's a difficult way to look at it because our generation, well, we're from different generations, but closely together in the grand scheme of things.

00:32:57.280 um you know we've been brought up with this rhetoric that's been meant to soften the edges

00:33:03.620 of the racial divide and so i think we're coming at it with like basically an ahistorical perspective

00:33:11.340 because the other thing that people don't want to acknowledge is that everyone for all time

00:33:18.500 except for the past 30 years was like a vile racist according to our standards right even

00:33:24.740 george washington even thomas jefferson even abraham lincoln yeah abraham lincoln he was 0.79

00:33:31.020 absolutely a white supremacist there was like no debating it and was really uncharitable in a lot

00:33:36.900 of ways that like rl dabney and guys who defended you know the southern presbyterian christian men

00:33:41.660 and i and i believe they were good men um and i'm not going to apologize for my christian fathers

00:33:46.380 but um you know they were uh defending this uh slavery but not the slave trade like rl dabney

00:33:52.460 he thought that the slave trade was a breach of like exodus chapter 21 and certain biblical

00:33:57.420 principles of man stealing and those things but he had ways of you know it wasn't just arbitrary

00:34:02.380 like he had arguments so he had ways of of articulating well okay you know uh the man

00:34:07.720 stealer is punishable according to exodus 21 by death uh anyone found um in possession of someone

00:34:14.640 who was stolen um but that that's kind of like a one degree of separation but what do you do when

00:34:19.520 it's the third generation of people who their grandfather or even fourth

00:34:23.800 generation, great grandfather was stolen by these people,

00:34:26.140 this tribe that defeated this tribe and sold them to this other tribe. 0.99

00:34:28.720 Then they sold them to Jews. Then Jews sold them to Europeans, you know? 0.88

00:34:32.480 And so he was basically saying like, at this point,

00:34:35.540 many of the slaves in America, they only speak English.

00:34:38.540 They're Christians now they've been catechized. 0.87

00:34:40.640 They're actually participating in these white churches as members,

00:34:44.220 brothers in Christ. Yes. Monday through Saturday,

00:34:47.040 there's still a master slave dynamic Ephesians six,

00:34:49.520 talks to this it's in the bible but they are our brothers in christ they're they're in the church

00:34:54.040 they only speak english where are they going to go you know abraham lincoln was like you know

00:34:58.520 maybe we can drop them off in africa you know like which is actually really inhumane i mean

00:35:03.060 they'd be dropped off you know like three generations later probably thousands of miles

00:35:07.820 from where their ancestors were taken can't even speak the language have no like i mean it's it's

00:35:13.140 really cruel and so then the question is like okay well if we free the slaves but we're not also you

00:35:17.680 know sending them back across you know the ocean then then where do they go here and you know there

00:35:22.960 were some guys who suggested well we can send them out west you know and give them and abraham

00:35:26.920 lincoln and some of the northern guys were like no and they were like why because we want to settle

00:35:31.240 that area and we don't want them as neighbors you know so they were like so they were they have to

00:35:36.220 be freed um and they also still have to stay right next door to all the southerners and you know and

00:35:41.760 so the south was like wait what you know like i i don't understand it's like why you're like you 0.75

00:35:47.060 really love black people right and they're like no that's not our position we hate them um we just 0.99

00:35:51.860 don't want them to you know to be enslaved and also we don't want you guys to succeed so there's

00:35:57.000 that but the point is that you look back and it's like anybody who's labeled as a racist today

00:36:02.580 is pretty much like a liberal by comparison to just you know just a hundred years ago yeah what

00:36:10.340 the average person thought i don't think there's a racist like true racist alive currently yeah

00:36:16.900 i agree with that and if there are they're they're exceedingly rare yeah and in a lot of people don't

00:36:22.420 even know that history they think that that it's sort of like with world war ii and the holocaust

00:36:27.500 like many people think we went to world war ii to stop the holocaust in the same way that people

00:36:32.560 think we went to war to free the slaves you know for the good of humanity it's cute and yeah it's 0.98

00:36:39.360 a nice story you almost don't want to pop the bubble for them just leave them there let them

00:36:42.660 think it yeah but no ab and and i like that you said that people don't even know abraham lincoln

00:36:47.480 was committed to creating colonies where we could send all the black people in either africa or

00:36:54.700 central america and the only reason it didn't happen is because he died when he was trying to

00:36:59.100 do it and there was very contentious inside the government uh but that was the original plan and

00:37:03.940 then even beyond the plan to repatriate them for hundreds of years all the president said

00:37:11.860 there will never be legal social equality political equality between the whites and the blacks in the

00:37:18.940 same political uh the body politic they just said that's just never going to happen and what has

00:37:25.500 happened since is is basically out of white guilt uh we have come up with now this suicidal ideology

00:37:33.860 where and by the way it's not even sufficient that we integrate the people that were forcibly

00:37:38.980 brought here, which arguably might be some form of a reparation. I'm not making that argument,

00:37:47.380 but some might argue, well, these people are brought here against their will. Now

00:37:52.440 you have to integrate them. Okay. Real quick though, what you would say,

00:37:56.400 what's the real reparation? You get to live in America. Right. Right. God bless. Like what a

00:38:03.360 privilege, privilege for me, privilege for you. Like the richest black people on God's green earth 1.00

00:38:08.340 are african americans yeah would they rather live in haiti africa i mean take your pick

00:38:13.500 go ahead um but but yeah no arguably we would have to do that but now what we're talking about is

00:38:21.860 making america majority non-white country who thinks that's a good idea right is there one

00:38:28.220 person who thinks that america will get better and for who certainly not for the native people 0.68

00:38:33.820 living here not for the white people probably not even for the black people right the only people

00:38:39.460 this is good for is the foreigners themselves and what's really interesting also is that 0.53

00:38:45.860 you were in this post-racial project out of an abundance of white guilt we feel sorry for the 0.84

00:38:51.660 colonized the the indigenous the poor of the world we're bringing them here um it makes white people

00:38:57.840 feel better about themselves to have that around and i think though that and this is an important

00:39:03.460 distinction a lot of the people that propagated this it was kind of sold to them as not actually

00:39:10.600 what it is because what it is is that there's going to be no majority no dominant cultural

00:39:16.200 um force no there won't be no hegemony a plural uh plurality of any group it will be completely

00:39:24.320 diverse but it was sold to them as like whites plus white country with some diversity and i think

00:39:33.260 even that would be acceptable and i was talking about this i think with gavin mcinnis it's like

00:39:39.740 if you're in a neighborhood of all white people and one black family moves in and they're nice

00:39:45.400 and well-mannered and respectful would anyone really have a problem with that no if it was

00:39:50.720 all whites and some black people i don't think so not as long as everybody was following the laws

00:39:56.540 or for that matter what an indian family or a chinese family or mexican family i don't think

00:40:01.940 so like the fuentes right like the fuentes clan we're nice enough you know um they were they were

00:40:09.180 you know the fuenteses were drug addicts you know my grandfather's a heroin addict so maybe not the

00:40:14.660 best but over generations recently right but um you know and and maybe it's two families okay it's 0.82

00:40:21.520 not so bad i mean it's 90 percent white but the question is what happens when that neighborhood

00:40:26.960 but becomes 90-10 in the other direction.

00:40:30.140 Right.

00:40:30.580 Now, not so comfortable.

00:40:32.320 And that's really the way that I like to frame

00:40:35.420 the race issue in America. 0.70

00:40:38.040 Historically, it was whites with some blacks. 0.95

00:40:42.400 Now, it's going to be all non-whites with some whites. 0.93

00:40:47.780 And that's a whole different story. 0.93

00:40:49.820 That's a whole different country.

00:40:51.220 That's a different dynamic. 0.99

00:40:52.700 You can't call that immigration.

00:40:54.140 And you start to say that, well, we now are actually losing something that we're entitled to, which is the ability to have our way of life represented. And you think about a future where there will be Chinatown in America, there will be little India, little Haiti, little Cuba, whatever.

00:41:15.080 will there even be a single city or suburb that is meaningfully european or white where 0.68

00:41:23.440 they actually have any kind of ethnic heritage cultural heritage i think the answer is no i'm

00:41:31.360 this timeline right and that has already happened by the way in canada yeah in canada they have

00:41:36.920 imported like 50 of their population the past 25 years and it is entire cities and towns that have

00:41:43.440 been taken over where there are literally no white people and that is by definition the suicide of a

00:41:51.540 country so um you know there there's a lot that could be said about race excesses of racism or

00:41:58.700 identitarian thought identifying too much with race and we these things are not quantitative

00:42:05.880 you know you can't say how white is a person you could go to their genetics but people have a

00:42:10.520 different phenotype right different characteristics and and things like that so it's qualitative and

00:42:16.000 it's it's rough um but we could say that certainly we're not racial enough let's put it that way

00:42:24.260 nobody would argue that we should be a completely racial society whites only we only want and

00:42:31.320 everyone that isn't white we don't like i don't think anyone's saying that but people are saying

00:42:36.100 the country's becoming not racial enough and white people in particular do not have enough

00:42:42.320 of an affinity or pride in themselves to even protect the identity of their nation. That's 0.63

00:42:47.660 really the issue. That's very well said. So let's spend maybe the second half of the episode,

00:42:53.360 but one final big idea. So we've talked about, you know, we've talked about race,

00:43:00.240 but I'd be really curious because I've heard some of those things from you before,

00:43:04.440 and i pretty much agree with all of it like sometimes you're in the final segment of the

00:43:08.380 show it's the super chats you're on your you know your seventh hour and uh getting a little loosey

00:43:14.080 goosey and so you know you'll word it in ways that i wouldn't word it but i i think your position i

00:43:17.960 agree with but race aside let's now talk about um how do you because i don't hear you talk about

00:43:26.180 this as much how do you account for race how do you account for um why are there different

00:43:33.440 as a christian you believe the bible right but you're also like you're not a neanderthal you

00:43:38.680 believe the bible you also you know uh have your sense perception and reason and science and those

00:43:45.060 kinds of things like so i just be curious you're a bright guy um how do you account for race the

00:43:50.420 fact that we have different races different strengths different weaknesses um some have

00:43:56.040 fared better than others um how do how do you in a way that you know holds the bible doesn't

00:44:01.900 contradict it but then also accounting for other things how do you account for race well i think

00:44:07.740 the origin of the races is that you go back to the original people that were created by god and

00:44:13.080 descended from adam and they went out into the world and i think they reflect the different

00:44:17.380 tribes different descendants and as far as their relative position well first i would say that um

00:44:25.180 i always go back to the tower of babel when people talk about the universalism of christianity i go

00:44:29.900 back to the idea that god wants actually for there to be nations he created the nations correct

00:44:35.840 there was a point where all coming together and then the people were scattered it wasn't good

00:44:41.380 right i always tell people it was a judgment so there were two sins um it says let's uh let's

00:44:47.360 build you know a tower that stretches to the heavens so that we can be as god and make a great

00:44:51.780 name for ourselves so one sin arrogance pride um trying to deify themselves be as god um and so

00:44:58.640 God judges. There's a judgment. Babel is a judgment for the sin of arrogance. However,

00:45:03.380 that's not the only sin. It also says, they finish and say, lest we be scattered over the

00:45:08.020 face of the earth. And I do think that that actually represents the second sin. First sin,

00:45:12.920 arrogance, tower that stretches of the heavens, make a name for ourselves, be as God. Second sin,

00:45:18.540 not be scattered over the face of the earth. Well, the dominion mandate that was given to Adam in

00:45:22.340 the garden was be fruitful and multiply and subdue the whole earth. Like the original plan

00:45:27.220 was not just that there would be a lot of people,

00:45:29.760 but that these people would ultimately spread out

00:45:32.600 and fill up the whole earth. 0.96

00:45:34.180 And so then the Tower of Babel,

00:45:36.080 you literally have them saying

00:45:37.040 the very thing that God commanded Adam to do,

00:45:38.940 let's not do it.

00:45:40.800 Let's build this tower

00:45:42.180 and make this great name for ourselves

00:45:43.700 so that we can congregate and stagnate and bottleneck

00:45:47.380 and not fulfill the very thing

00:45:49.200 that God commanded our ancestor Adam to do

00:45:51.920 so that we would not be spread out over the earth.

00:45:53.740 So I think two sins, one, arrogance, let's be like God.

00:45:56.040 Two, let's not fulfill the dominion mandate and spread out. 0.72

00:46:00.220 Because I actually think that without the Tower of Babel, God's providential plan likely would have resulted in different dialects, which would have evolved into different languages.

00:46:10.260 And, you know, some people would live in the mountains and some people in cold regions and hot regions and seafaring people. 0.89

00:46:15.400 And over time, just the different distinctions of the geography itself and different places and different climates and being, you know, separated from people.

00:46:24.920 you know um would have would have lent to it all would have snowballed into different languages

00:46:30.280 different cultures different peoples different people so the nations were god's plan and you

00:46:35.600 literally have a group of people saying no and so so i think you know when god confuses their

00:46:41.080 languages the way that i teach this you know um in our church and and as a pastor is um that you

00:46:47.120 have a judgment for the sin of arrogance and the second sin that i think people miss the sin of not

00:46:52.740 wanting to be fruitful multiply and spread out and fill the earth um and in that sense it's a

00:46:58.260 judgment but it's a judgment that conceals because god is exceedingly kind it's a judgment um that

00:47:04.240 conceals a hidden mercy like within this judgment of confusing their languages so that they would

00:47:09.880 disperse and there's also a mercy and the mercy is you guys are trying to get off the rails from

00:47:15.920 my original plan and i'm going to judge you for that sin of rebellion but in such a way that it

00:47:21.360 actually functions as a catalyst to more quickly fulfill my plan which is all the plans of god

00:47:26.460 a good plan you're welcome yeah so back to you yeah that's interesting i've never heard that

00:47:32.840 uh angle before on the tower of babel what do you think crazy or no i think that's true i think that

00:47:38.240 there's a lot there's a lot in that uh story and i agree with that um but i would say that as far

00:47:43.900 as the the disparities a lot of it does come down to geography i think that's a huge part of it and

00:47:49.780 It is.

00:47:50.820 You know, there's been many theories on this.

00:47:53.080 And one of the most prominent theories is that the people of the North, because they have the winter, have to plan for the future.

00:48:00.460 Right.

00:48:00.680 And ultimately, that is what separates in terms of IQ, in terms of development.

00:48:05.360 It's that long-term planning.

00:48:06.820 Right.

00:48:07.080 Seems to be the difference maker.

00:48:08.480 Because where you have a warmer climate and you don't have to plan for the winter, you just have game year-round.

00:48:15.580 You never actually move beyond a nomadic society to an agrarian society.

00:48:22.000 And without that, you don't even have a concept of the future. 0.51

00:48:26.020 You know, for a long time, there was like a famous post on 4chan that went viral.

00:48:32.660 And who knows if it was real or fake, but it was a person who claimed to be someone who worked in Africa and said they literally do not have a word for the future.

00:48:42.060 and we would give them money,

00:48:45.360 we'd try to get them to plant seeds,

00:48:46.960 but they just had no concept of sowing and reaping,

00:48:52.720 no concept of kind of like-

00:48:55.020 Delayed gratification.

00:48:55.980 Delayed gratification, right, that time preference.

00:48:58.940 And of course, if people are just hunting

00:49:01.220 and gathering all the time,

00:49:03.000 there's really no need actually ever.

00:49:05.960 It's all cyclical rather than progressive

00:49:08.220 in a certain sense.

00:49:09.520 and um so this is why they say the europeans developed the highest iq because they face these

00:49:16.620 cold tough winters and they came with other things too they have these very like tight-knit

00:49:21.700 clans um and another there's there's other selection biases there but they say that

00:49:27.240 basically it's a geographic determinism and one here's another example which i heard recently

00:49:32.600 they say that one of the reasons the american indians practice so much cannibalism

00:49:38.080 is because their diet consisted largely of corn.

00:49:42.020 And they were starved of protein, actually,

00:49:44.720 because their diet being mostly maize,

00:49:47.640 it actually has no nutritional content.

00:49:50.120 And so what they needed was protein from flesh.

00:49:52.840 I guess they couldn't get it from animals.

00:49:54.320 So that's why they developed this like bloodthirst.

00:49:56.760 I heard that on Twitter.

00:49:58.200 I don't know if that's real or not, but-

00:50:00.000 Well, you heard it on Twitter.

00:50:00.900 So it must be.

00:50:01.680 It must have some basis in reality.

00:50:03.460 But so I think it almost always goes back to nutrition.

00:50:07.240 It always goes back to geography.

00:50:09.200 It goes back to the basics.

00:50:10.760 There actually are basic explanations is what you're saying.

00:50:14.000 So I think that's entirely true.

00:50:15.300 The only thing that I would add to it,

00:50:16.480 and I just want to hear your response,

00:50:19.000 is I would also put some stock in the biblical narrative,

00:50:24.880 just like we did with Babel.

00:50:26.480 But then that's on the heels of also the three sons of Noah.

00:50:31.680 So a global flood in which everything

00:50:36.000 that had the breath of air and its lungs was wiped out is what the bible says genesis 9 10

00:50:40.640 um and except for noah his wife three sons and their three wives eight persons in all

00:50:45.640 saved through uh the ark and the passage of water and uh and you know when the ark finally comes to

00:50:52.980 rest uh one of the sons is you know he uncovers his father's nakedness now i take that to mean

00:50:58.660 you look at leviticus you shall not uncover your father's nakedness it's not like dad's naked and

00:51:03.620 you point and laugh it's um to uncover your father's nakedness is to sleep with his wife

00:51:08.120 so i think it was a sexual immorality um and and it seems as though noah recognizes this around the

00:51:15.900 time that um his grandson is born canaan and he says cursed be canaan and i think part of the

00:51:22.080 reason he says cursed be canaan is i i think there was probably something physical like visibly

00:51:26.300 detectable that noah saw his grandson was like you slept with mom you know like something like

00:51:33.140 that so um that's not explicit in the text but i think uh it's a plausible inference um exegetically

00:51:40.020 it's it's allowed it's not heresy um but you know he this son is um his well technically the grandson

00:51:47.180 canaan is cursed now guys exegete different ways some guys say that ham the father nova's son and

00:51:53.240 the father of canaan was generally cursed and canaan particularly cursed and and that of course

00:51:59.460 comes to pass in the fact that Joshua, you know, centuries later, wipes out all the Canaanites.

00:52:03.720 Like, obviously, Canaan really was cursed and really did pay a heavy price. All the Canaanites 0.93

00:52:09.480 wiped out by the Israelites. But then maybe a general curse for, you know, the father and all 0.81

00:52:16.600 his other sons besides Canaan, the Hamites. But even if that's not, you know, because some guys 0.99

00:52:22.200 will say no, but it doesn't say cursed is Ham. And that's fine. Like, I think that that's plausible

00:52:28.040 also that it was just a curse for Canaan, the grandson, and not for Ham. But what we can say

00:52:32.840 for sure is even if Ham was not cursed, he wasn't blessed. Whereas the other two sons of Noah were 0.88

00:52:39.440 blessed for doing the right thing and not uncovering their father's nakedness and actually

00:52:43.820 correcting and rebuking their brother, you know, when he did this wicked thing in the sight of the

00:52:48.560 Lord. And, you know, so one of them is particularly blessed, Japheth, you know, and the other, you

00:52:52.780 You know, Shem is partially blessed, but Ham is either cursed or at least not blessed. 0.66

00:53:00.060 And that automatically is a hierarchy of blessing from the Lord. 0.78

00:53:04.380 And so then their descendants and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, so on and so forth.

00:53:07.840 And so I think there's some stock there.

00:53:10.440 I, you know, I think that in the finished work of Christ, though, I think he levels the playing field.

00:53:14.680 So I really do think that in the finished work of Christ that, you know, he comes to make his blessings flow as far as the curse is found.

00:53:21.820 And so if there was a curse of Ham, I don't think there is anymore.

00:53:26.340 I think that that's been broken.

00:53:28.300 However, another one of those scenarios was like, you got to let him cook.

00:53:32.700 Like if Ham and his descendants were cursed,

00:53:35.720 or even just his two brothers were exceedingly blessed and he was not,

00:53:40.480 but that was the state, that's a prophetic word from the Lord,

00:53:43.820 spoken through Noah, their father.

00:53:45.320 If that was a state for centuries and centuries and centuries until Christ came,

00:53:50.020 that has massive implications and then and then if you know descendants of ham um you know this 0.98

00:53:57.160 curse is broken but it wasn't even broken until 2 000 years ago and it had all of its effects for

00:54:02.820 centuries leading up to that and even though it's broken a lot of places in sub-sahara africa didn't

00:54:07.860 even hear the gospel like jesus came 2 000 years ago but the gospel didn't come to certain regions

00:54:12.760 until 200 years ago right so it just it takes time you know what i mean so i think there's the

00:54:17.800 geographic way of accounting and and i think there's true i i'm kind of of both persuasions

00:54:22.560 so i think there's practical uh temporal explanations like you articulated i think you

00:54:26.980 did really well and then i think there's also some biblical merit but notice in the in my

00:54:31.600 exegesis and the way i use the biblical merit um it doesn't necessitate that you say all

00:54:36.920 descendants of ham are in fact cursed and forever so so i don't even that i think it allows you to

00:54:43.280 be a race realist recognize race recognize disparities and these things and disparities

00:54:48.180 necessarily create hierarchies of some sort uh but you don't have to be a fatalist you don't have

00:54:53.580 to say and it'll be this way forever you can say the deck could shuffle in the province of god but

00:54:58.340 if it does it would be slowly in the same way that white people developed slowly right and uh

00:55:04.340 and i just think that like that's that's giving a biblical and practical account for something

00:55:10.140 that we can see with our eyes, you know?

00:55:14.960 And people can say you're being mean

00:55:16.220 or you're being racist,

00:55:17.200 but it's like, dude, I talk to young men.

00:55:20.080 You talk to young men.

00:55:22.080 The toothpaste doesn't go back in the tube, right?

00:55:24.580 I mean, it's like the verdict has come back in.

00:55:28.140 Like the kids are aware that race is real.

00:55:30.720 You know what I mean?

00:55:31.300 They're aware.

00:55:32.920 And so then I feel like the goal for me,

00:55:35.500 like being a pastor and being older,

00:55:36.960 and I think you, because you have so much influence,

00:55:39.380 You have a responsibility, a moral responsibility.

00:55:43.260 Okay, race is real.

00:55:44.980 So with my followers, I'm going to try to help them.

00:55:48.780 I'm not going to lie to them and say it's not real.

00:55:50.740 Of course it's real.

00:55:51.840 But I'm going to help them, one, to account for it.

00:55:53.780 Why?

00:55:54.640 And to do so biblically and reasonably.

00:55:57.820 And then two, how to live in light of it.

00:56:00.680 And to live in light of it wisely, shrewdly,

00:56:04.120 the discernment but also compassion kindness right you know fairness and what other position

00:56:12.360 are you going to take i'm telling you dude like it's not like well 10 years from now six months

00:56:16.380 from now we're going to be losers we're going to be total moderates the kids are going to think

00:56:21.100 that we're lame yeah like this is this is not a crazy position no not at all and and unfortunately

00:56:26.600 it does seem that you know with a lot of this stuff it the older that i get it's sort of

00:56:32.760 interesting when all of this started let's say like 10 years ago when the really woke politically

00:56:38.440 correct stuff started around race it was very common for people like us to say uh well hey i'm

00:56:44.620 not racist all i'm saying is this because things that are common sense or even just blunt were

00:56:52.580 called racist and hateful and it went so far so fast and it was disorienting i remember being in

00:57:00.600 school and saying you know you'd be like referring to somebody oh that that black guy over there

00:57:06.780 they'd say that's racist literally it's literally black literally yeah and i remember growing up and

00:57:13.480 being like are you kidding me like we're gonna ignore that guy's a different color than everybody

00:57:18.560 like what am i supposed that guy with glasses there's two people with glasses uh some other

00:57:23.920 like okay he's the black one you know um but people would say that's racist and and implying

00:57:29.580 that's hateful you hate them right for acknowledging that they're a different color right and so it

00:57:36.840 started out i think everyone can relate to this we all started out from this point of view that

00:57:43.080 we were all liberal basically on race yeah deeply liberal right yeah no dude i i i i'm convicted all

00:57:50.000 the time i'm like i'm still kind of a liberal many whites are even even of our persuasion yeah even

00:57:55.720 me on some level it's just so deeply it is it is it feels weird i'm like i can't think that and

00:58:01.940 then i'll try to think about it objectively biblically and i'm like actually that's true

00:58:05.400 why do i have such an aversion to something that's clearly true right and because i'm a lib

00:58:10.800 yeah well and you start out that way and you say i'm not racist i all i'm saying is this all i'm

00:58:18.800 saying is that and what i have noticed though in the past 10 years is i do legitimately see that

00:58:25.880 there are people that are filled with hatred yeah and it's rare but we we have to be honest and call

00:58:32.960 spade a spade i do see people that have become emboldened and they're riled up and they're not

00:58:38.260 the brightest but people that are like no i i am a racial idolater and race is everything to me and

00:58:45.020 I hate these other, oh, these other groups are blah, blah, blah, and that's why it's important

00:58:51.400 to be nuanced about, and I hate the word nuance, but like, you have to be precise about what you're

00:58:56.220 talking about, and I am adamantly against racial hatred, because I'm against hatred. I don't hate

00:59:01.820 individuals. I don't hate races, and I would say it's not even that you dislike them. It's just a

00:59:08.680 recognition that the world is comprised of peoples and the peopling it matters it means

00:59:15.320 something it's real in it's biological but it also means something to us like to be black to

00:59:22.220 be white it means something to black people to white people it means something to each other

00:59:27.060 so it's sociological and it's real and we have to account for it and and we we code switch we

00:59:33.920 talk to black people we talk differently we talk to other groups more sensitivity you know maybe

00:59:39.400 we mirror some of their mannerisms or something um and that's one thing and it's a completely

00:59:45.980 different thing to say that we live and die by our race that our race is our uniform and you know

00:59:52.980 we're going to bat you know because i think about this a lot and i think about how you know you can

00:59:59.400 spend a lot of time with someone from another race and really have a good relationship with

01:00:05.480 them on account of they're a good person. And you can admire that they have character and integrity

01:00:10.300 and you really find you can grow a deep bond because you respect a person morally. You respect

01:00:16.620 their faith, their character, et cetera. And so there is something deeper than race. There is

01:00:23.320 actually something deeper that's universal at the same time that's a a gap that you may never fully

01:00:31.720 bridge because at the end of the day there are certain things when you're going to be reminded

01:00:37.920 we look at things differently because of who we are because we're white and they're black or

01:00:41.580 hispanic or whatever at the end of the day we do tend to favor being with our own kind we don't

01:00:48.320 like to feel like aliens we want to feel familiar and and so it's like it's tough to kind of balance

01:00:55.760 between a primitive racial hatred and like what what you would call xenophobia just hatred of

01:01:02.320 those that are not like you at the same time there is something in my opinion natural and actually

01:01:09.720 good about tribalism in itself that look we like being around people that look like us it is that

01:01:16.560 simple for me right and people ask me about well because we like being around people who look like

01:01:21.560 us because the people who look like us have the highest likelihood of being like us right it's

01:01:26.940 the the skin color the the outward visible um you know uh extremities are not arbitrary they

01:01:36.140 are visible external markers of a certain kind of person and you know again always exceptions

01:01:43.700 but it's like yeah uh this person who looks exactly like that person chances are um not just

01:01:50.380 with their physical appearance but with their behaviors with their um their values with this

01:01:55.560 that and the other there's probably some similarities right we want to be with people

01:02:01.100 who look like us because we want to be with people who are like us right well and you know

01:02:06.800 nobody wants to be a minority yeah at the end of the day and what's funny is like we think about 0.80

01:02:12.320 black people they're they've been a minority in america forever and that's why they have the 0.98

01:02:18.740 black community they want to go somewhere where they are the majority right they're in a neighborhood 0.97

01:02:23.920 where it's all black faces and so or a church right and in in a neighborhood in a church 0.82

01:02:30.460 because i think there is something like i the thought of living in a community of people

01:02:36.060 where I'm the only one that looks and acts like me,

01:02:39.560 even by the way, if I were, let's say in the South,

01:02:44.180 because I'm like a Yankee, a Northerner.

01:02:47.820 I'm Italian.

01:02:49.280 I'm an American ethnic.

01:02:50.620 I'm a Catholic.

01:02:51.320 Even among Southern white people, 0.68

01:02:55.740 I would feel like a fish out of water. 0.61

01:02:57.660 And there would be something deeply disconcerting

01:03:00.020 because I love my home.

01:03:01.620 I love where I came from. 1.00

01:03:03.820 But would I prefer that over being in a community of all Indian people 1.00

01:03:08.900 where they all speak with an accent and aren't even Christian? 1.00

01:03:11.560 Like, of course. 0.95

01:03:12.380 So it's like a gradient on some level.

01:03:15.900 And I don't think there's anything wrong with being around people that are like us.

01:03:19.640 We have to stop being shy about that.

01:03:22.060 And by the way, every other non-white group goes exactly the same way. 0.89

01:03:26.300 Every group has an in-group preference or is their own in-group preference 0.52

01:03:30.260 except for white people. 0.97

01:03:31.620 Right. 0.99

01:03:32.280 It's crazy.

01:03:32.760 We're the only people who are our own out group.

01:03:38.400 Yes.

01:03:39.140 Isn't that crazy?

01:03:40.240 And it's like, it's not even race.

01:03:43.040 It's like ethnicity.

01:03:44.100 Koreans want to be with Koreans. 0.97

01:03:45.500 Chinese want to be with Chinese. 0.98

01:03:47.380 Arabs want to be with Arabs. 0.76

01:03:48.520 Whites, we're like, no, we don't even want a home to call our own. 1.00

01:03:52.560 We want every country to go away.

01:03:55.040 It's like, be careful what you wish for.

01:03:57.340 I think we would all hate that.

01:03:58.580 I don't like that at all.

01:04:00.220 Agreed.

01:04:00.620 Okay, very end.

01:04:02.760 Um, so I agree with everything you just said. I think it's well said. I think it's thoughtful.

01:04:08.480 I think it's perfectly reasonable. There's nothing extreme about it. You know, leftists

01:04:13.620 will say whatever they want to say. Well, let's be honest. Conservatives will say it too. Um,

01:04:18.420 but once upon a time and not even that long ago, um, you know, in terms of your position,

01:04:25.120 I think your position was mostly the same, but your rhetoric, like I mentioned earlier.

01:04:28.360 um so two questions why why did you used to speak about race you know inward things like that like

01:04:37.040 the way that you did and then also second question why'd you stop because it does seem like you've

01:04:42.320 stopped like you're you're pivoting like you're the same guy i'm not saying you've sold out or

01:04:46.900 anything like that but you know you you used to talk a certain way and just for the record i've

01:04:51.940 told you this you know personally but um i'm uh i wouldn't have done that but i i'm i am sympathetic

01:04:58.220 in the sense that you're a 17 year old kid your life is blown up with less than a thousand twitter

01:05:02.880 followers everybody hates you you're single you're not beholden to anybody and so you lean in and

01:05:08.580 play the heel i can i see that calculus i feel it sometimes one of the things that keeps me from

01:05:14.280 doing is i have a wife and five kids in a church you know but like if i was like if i was 17 and

01:05:19.440 single and everybody says i'm a monster i'd be like i'll show you a monster you know like i get

01:05:24.300 it i'm sympathetic to that um and then i think there was also kind of like a shibboleth like a 0.79

01:05:28.780 like a um a litmus test of sorts of like when in a world that's completely fake and gay you know

01:05:34.740 by saying a single word you know you you're like it's not even that you believe it or that you mean 0.91

01:05:40.120 you know but it's just like it proves like i'm not bought i'm not beholden i'm not um i'm real

01:05:46.420 um you know so i i can see why you you did and and then also you can just get carried away and

01:05:52.900 it's funny and people are laughing and you, you know, and like,

01:05:55.320 so I can see all the reasons, I guess, why,

01:05:57.960 but it does seem like you've pivoted.

01:05:59.980 I don't feel that way.

01:06:01.360 Okay. Explain.

01:06:02.200 I feel like, um, cause I still make some pretty irreverent jokes.

01:06:06.860 I still say the N word a lot. And, um, you know,

01:06:12.000 I saw one clip where you're like, we want to be a serious operation.

01:06:15.260 So we're going to start. So that's when I'm basing it off of,

01:06:18.120 cause I, you know, I've,

01:06:19.040 I've tuned into certain parts of the show from time to time, but I'm,

01:06:21.320 you know, I'm not watching every episode.

01:06:24.300 So I, so this is news to me.

01:06:25.960 So everything I just said, I just discounted. 0.98

01:06:27.940 So you're still an N-word aficionado.

01:06:30.540 Oh yeah.

01:06:31.200 Okay.

01:06:31.680 And you know, and.

01:06:33.580 So then, then let's go to the first part of the question.

01:06:35.160 Why?

01:06:36.320 Why say the N-word?

01:06:37.320 Yeah.

01:06:37.840 Because I think it's just a word.

01:06:39.300 Okay.

01:06:39.600 I think it's because I say a lot of swear words and racial slurs on my show.

01:06:42.920 And to me, that's just how you communicate.

01:06:44.740 I mean, not, not that I go around calling people racial slurs,

01:06:48.820 but what i didn't like about the n-word is it you know this is the only word it's treated more like

01:06:58.060 a blasphemy yeah than like a swear word it's like religious because people on tv you can blaspheme

01:07:05.100 jesus christ correct and that was my first realization that something was terribly wrong

01:07:09.760 because it's like you can worship the devil and blaspheme christ and you can by the way even if 0.96

01:07:16.360 you're not religious you can say the most filthy abhorrent scatological things sexual things perverse 0.99

01:07:24.260 things and that's fine you could you could have the filthiest mouth like like uh goodfellas 0.99

01:07:30.560 170 f-bombs in a movie right but this one word we're now going to act like we're in preschool

01:07:38.340 and say the n-word we're not even going to utter it well and for this show we are going to be in

01:07:43.900 preschool year for the sake of YouTube. I appreciate you being respectful. Yes. Cause

01:07:48.280 it's your platform and I recognize the weight of it. Um, but, but it really bothered me that

01:07:53.440 it was an imposition that you can't utter it. Even context dependent, um, you cannot even

01:08:01.760 utter the syllables or else we will like fire you from your job. Your wife will leave you like

01:08:08.740 you'll, you'll get hit in the head with the skateboard. Like this is the kind of thing 1.00

01:08:13.740 where it's like he uttered the word,

01:08:15.740 he signed his death warrant.

01:08:17.200 Right.

01:08:17.680 And to me, I just decided like,

01:08:20.320 and to be perfectly honest with you,

01:08:23.660 it was never about being a shock jock.

01:08:25.960 It was never about making a point.

01:08:28.460 It was just saying, I don't play that game.

01:08:31.400 Like I'm a real person.

01:08:33.740 I'm not politically correct at all.

01:08:36.380 And, you know, for a time when I got started,

01:08:39.560 I avoided saying that

01:08:41.020 because I didn't want to get canceled.

01:08:43.340 any further actually was the opposite but at a certain point i said you know what screw that

01:08:49.260 who cares and i try not to use it to be an edgelord because honestly it's not edgy anymore

01:08:58.540 to say it you know so it's not it's not funny a lot of times for that reason uh but i just try

01:09:04.900 to speak in an unfiltered way and if the situation calls for it i'm gonna say it if i'm talking about

01:09:10.460 that word i'm gonna say the word and if it's for a joke i'll do it with the soft a you know to be

01:09:16.300 funny or something but i just hate this because to me it almost enforces like a severe negative

01:09:25.160 attitude about white people this like but you can't say that who told you you can say that it's

01:09:32.980 like excuse me you can say it but i can't why because i'm white and that i hate because there's 0.51

01:09:41.820 nothing like that for whites right and by the way for all of the sanctimony about the word 0.97

01:09:48.240 do whites really care about or excuse me do blacks ever care about offending white people 0.94

01:09:53.540 no never never they'll the stuff they say on tv is like wipe away your white tears and do the work 1.00

01:10:02.840 and find out why your ancestors are evil.

01:10:05.880 I mean, literally, like many, not all,

01:10:08.420 but many of them explicitly, openly hate us.

01:10:12.540 And we can't utter a word devoid of context.

01:10:16.900 Why?

01:10:17.420 Because it might offend them.

01:10:18.600 I say, you know, I'm an American.

01:10:20.400 I can say whatever I want.

01:10:21.580 So it wasn't even about making a point.

01:10:23.440 It's just like, I'm not playing that game

01:10:24.920 and I'll pay the price.

01:10:26.760 All right, cool.

01:10:28.080 Thanks for the episode.

01:10:29.000 Appreciate it.

01:10:29.520 Yeah, thank you.

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The NXR Podcast - February 18, 2026

THE SPECIAL - Understanding “Race Realism” (w⧸Nick Fuentes) - EP8

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