The NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - Why Erika Kirk & TPUSA Must Be Criticized

00:00:00.000 But the truth does need to be said.

00:00:02.260 So we can say the truth without being cruel.

00:00:03.980 So first, Erica Kirk has not seemingly portrayed the expected normative emotions of a grieving, right?

00:00:17.440 That's been kind of the focal point, grief, a grieving widow.

00:00:21.040 But I haven't heard a lot of people talk about also the fearful widow.

00:00:27.200 Radical Christian nationalist pastor.

00:00:30.000 Joel Webben.

00:00:31.220 Joel Webben.

00:00:32.440 I'm going to talk about Joel Webben.

00:00:34.460 Joel Webben is an accident.

00:00:36.220 all right this is our fifth and final episode of this five-part mini-series that i've had the

00:01:01.720 privilege of doing with J.P. Sears. We've been talking about all sorts of things. If you're

00:01:06.580 tuning in now, this is going to be one of the best episodes, but you really should go back and watch

00:01:11.100 the rest of the series. The first episode, we just talked about your personal development

00:01:15.700 politically and culturally and how you landed where you've landed. Second episode, we talked

00:01:20.300 about your personal evolution in regards to religion and faith and Christianity. Third

00:01:27.160 episode we talked about comedy the nature of comedy um and fourth episode we kind of started

00:01:34.900 to get into the weeds of different people who perhaps could use some comedy lessons who are

00:01:40.700 not particularly uh funny and are kind of the antithesis to the true comedian we talked about

00:01:46.720 ben shapiro we talked about the daily wire and our last episode we're going to kind of continue

00:01:51.760 in that vein of giving some case studies, talking about some different people. Basically,

00:01:58.540 we talked about the principle that the comedian is willing to transgress. He follows the thread

00:02:04.340 of truth wherever it goes. He's not ultimately beholden to any particular ideology or party or

00:02:11.620 person. He follows the truth. And in the spirit of that, we've already given some criticisms for

00:02:20.660 trump and you would think that that might be the most controversial thing that anybody on the right

00:02:25.580 could possibly do but if there is anything if there is one thing perhaps even more controversial

00:02:31.680 than criticizing trump it is tp usa and erica kirk all right jp so i feel like before we start

00:02:40.180 i just have to say erica kirk is uh she's just a grieving widow and i am here under protest she is

00:02:47.480 a only a grieving widow that's it running a nine-figure organization and on a speaking to her

00:02:54.920 upholding her husband's legacy while labeling thomas massey a rhino even though that was one

00:03:00.840 of her husband's favorite congress there is nothing fishy about erica i don't even know why

00:03:05.260 you brought this up so i brought it up because i've watched you catch a lot of heat um over the

00:03:12.040 last six months to a year criticizing israel uh zionism trump maga i don't think i've seen

00:03:21.580 i don't think i've seen you get more like draw out the absolute ire and fury of people

00:03:31.340 more than your videos about tposa and erica kirk yeah and um i i mean i don't know i might

00:03:41.920 push back a little bit in this episode. I may not agree with all of your findings,

00:03:47.340 but in the big picture, I do think that you're right to say, hey, look,

00:03:56.280 picking on widows isn't necessarily... Nobody really wakes up in the morning and says,

00:04:01.740 you know what I think I'll do today? I think I'll pick on a widow. But here's the deal. 0.98

00:04:05.980 um it she's kind of left us no choice like you don't want to be picked on okay that's that's

00:04:16.620 reasonable but then go home yeah but but you're but you're asserting yourself as the leader the

00:04:25.000 ceo of a major organization that is that its sole purpose is shaping the youth of our country

00:04:33.280 in conservative principles and values this same organization the charlie kirk show still named

00:04:39.920 after the guy who's now six feet buried underground who's not even on the show but

00:04:44.420 still bearing his name his legacy and that show is is supported by jewish money yeah which i'm

00:04:51.920 sure you're aware of by in in the tunes of millions um and and they actually have to file

00:04:57.300 as a foreign, you know, foreign lobbyist group, 501c3, giving money to the Charlie Kirk show

00:05:06.220 and their mission statement. All this is, you know, you can publicly find it, is to,

00:05:11.640 their mission is to shape the hearts and minds of Americans for Israel, towards Israel. So you have

00:05:19.840 you have a israeli funded podcast where the host of that podcast is no longer there

00:05:27.320 and then the larger you know parent corporation that that podcast falls under tpusa is now run

00:05:36.220 by that man's wife now widow and she's pushing things that seem to directly contradict with

00:05:45.820 what her husband late husband said recent like in recent living memory and so it's just like i

00:05:54.920 don't want to pick on erica kirk but um it's almost it's almost like she has like the perfect

00:06:03.460 immunity yeah by being the widow the ultimate victim card yes a widow who's a mother to young 0.99

00:06:12.880 children. It is, it's a strong layer of immunity. Yes. Not a lot of people touched it initially

00:06:22.160 more and more are now because incongruencies are becoming more and more vast. And I agree,

00:06:33.160 you know, I'll tell you, I'll play the victim for a second. I didn't want to do stuff on her.

00:06:37.920 I didn't want to do comedy, calling out weird things about Erica Kirk and Turning Point USA.

00:06:46.380 But I like to call balls and strikes.

00:06:48.460 I'm like, I see incongruencies that I don't want to see.

00:06:57.680 That's what I do, though.

00:07:00.020 I call out incongruencies, lies, hypocrisy, corruption, gaslighting.

00:07:05.040 So I don't want to do this, but I am.

00:07:07.920 Now, I don't really mean to victimize myself like, well, let's make this about me, Joel.

00:07:13.300 Poor me for having criticized a widow.

00:07:16.320 But it's just to say nobody wants to criticize a widow.

00:07:21.340 Case in point, nobody, I wouldn't say nobody.

00:07:25.460 I certainly am not criticizing aspects of her widowness.

00:07:30.160 Right.

00:07:30.340 I'm not criticizing. 1.00

00:07:31.500 Look at her being home alone with children. 1.00

00:07:33.740 You're not criticizing her because she's a widow.

00:07:35.100 Yeah. 0.90

00:07:35.560 You're criticizing her despite.

00:07:37.700 Yeah.

00:07:37.920 Yeah. And just like when the great Kobe Bryant died, like nobody's out like, let's criticize his widow now.

00:07:46.500 Right. Nobody wants to do that. But she has volunteered voluntarily days after his death, stepped into the position of CEO running a nine figure, incredibly influential organization that she doesn't have training, background or experience to run.

00:08:06.780 Her background is in attention-seeking behavior, and I'm not, even in this moment, criticizing that, just pointing it out.

00:08:17.540 beauty pageants, being on a reality dating show, auditioning for other shows,

00:08:25.040 being a part of a CIA linked video about EMP defenses. There's a history of the human being

00:08:37.000 Erica Kirk seeking attention and spotlight in different ways. And then she all of a sudden 0.99

00:08:45.660 came into the spotlight in a not behind-the-scenes CEO position, but a forward-facing public,

00:08:55.960 here's the public face of TPUSA, that kind of CEO role in the public spotlight.

00:09:03.800 And anytime someone is in the spotlight of the public, especially if they volunteered for it,

00:09:11.080 they are open for praise and open for criticism. And if you say you're only allowed to praise that

00:09:18.960 person, then we got a problem. We wouldn't really have a problem if there was only things to praise

00:09:26.880 about that person, but there's inconsistencies. And happy to get into them. And you mentioned

00:09:32.260 you might push back, like, please do. We're both adults with different perspectives.

00:09:36.720 it however first i would say just setting the context because you mentioned tp usa erica kirk

00:09:44.760 setting it up as the most transgressive thing you can talk about present and i agree with that

00:09:50.220 and you mentioned in our previous episode some transgressive things we've talked about

00:09:55.700 the trump administration israel zionism and here we are and it looks like we're talking about a

00:10:04.740 different topic. And boy, it is intertwined with all the other topics we've talked about, Israel,

00:10:12.680 Zionism, the Trump administration. Because even before we look at some of the weird things

00:10:21.380 Erika Kirk and TPUSA has done, if we just take a step back and look at the enmeshment with Israel

00:10:30.280 and zionism and you mentioned the charlie kirk show now literally funded with foreign interest

00:10:36.860 dollars from israel uh that's the fact they're the sole purpose of persuading and convincing

00:10:44.460 and compelling young people in our country to vote for policies and procedures and wars what 0.51

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00:12:31.220 our link in the description below. Just know that's happening. You like it or not like it,

00:12:37.200 just know that's happening. And it's done through Salem Media, a network that Charlie Kirk

00:12:42.640 show is uh on and salem media's chief strategy officer is a guy named brad parscale who's a

00:12:51.340 federally registered foreign agent of israel and part of his uh contract is we integrate israeli

00:12:59.660 messaging into salem media properties charlie kirkshow being one of them so well we're not

00:13:06.160 we i wish that wasn't true no this is not far-fetched you know like like connect you

00:13:12.400 know the the guy um from always sunny in philadelphia with all the strings and stuff it's

00:13:16.840 like no like i mean it's it's all public right there the dots are there and then further setting

00:13:21.740 the stage for how we could or what we could imagine the reasons for corruption within tpusa

00:13:32.060 could be with this enmeshment with israel and maybe we just israel slash zionism we rewind a

00:13:42.100 little bit before Charlie Kirk's death, it's become very public through released text messaging

00:13:46.860 that he was getting major, major pushback from Israeli interest Jewish donors for having Tucker

00:13:57.500 and Candace on Charlie's stages. Reason being because Tucker and Candace are not dedicated to

00:14:04.340 only speaking favorably about israel charlie kirk lost donors because of his dedication to truth

00:14:12.640 over israel his text message he said they're not beating the stereotypes yeah and charlie kirk so

00:14:18.780 was turning his back on the blind unconditional support for israel wasn't anti-israel but it's

00:14:25.880 Just like, we can criticize anything.

00:14:30.740 Then, based on the reporting of, I think it's Max Blumenthal, Charlie Kirk, shortly before his death, it was two things.

00:14:42.220 One, allegedly had a phone call with Netanyahu and refused to accept $150 million from Netanyahu.

00:14:49.740 probably quit quit quit pro quo was the sort of setup like why don't you be pretty supportive of

00:14:58.280 israel and here's 150 million dollar donation so like what do you think uh netanyahu got 150

00:15:04.080 million dollars from so that might have been our money correct it's so it's like israel will spend

00:15:12.480 money to get america to do stuff but even the money that they spend is the money that we gave

00:15:17.060 them yeah it's it's crazy that like they um israel is like the only nation well and the only nation

00:15:24.900 in many regards like one to not have to let any other nation in the world know their nuclear

00:15:30.840 supply for instance they're the only ones who all that's under wraps but another one is uh we give

00:15:37.580 um we we give uh aid to like all these different countries in the form of our tax dollars

00:15:45.120 but israel is the only one that's able to take it as like a charitable donation so you don't

00:15:52.200 don't actually have to pay taxes on it and then they turn around with some of it and lend it back

00:15:58.880 to us and make interest off of the money that we gave them that's very very generous of them it's

00:16:05.300 crazy yeah man it so then we also know charlie kirk had a stance on war with iran which was

00:16:17.400 just irrefutably don't do it it's psychotic he was very outspoken against that and we can fast

00:16:25.880 forward and there's undercover videos of from tpusa employees on erica kirk where she's like

00:16:32.780 i wish my husband was here so we could understand what he would think of the iran war and we know

00:16:39.640 the iran war is uh an israel orchestration israel wants it and when we're talking ceasefires and

00:16:48.520 peace deals israel makes sure those don't happen so charlie even trump at this point is saying that

00:16:55.460 this is like publicly not even trump is like i call the shots i call the shots you know he's

00:17:02.360 He's like viscerally angry at, you know, maybe Netanyahu because the moment he gets even close to some kind of peace deal with Iran, Israel launches some missiles and messes it all up.

00:17:15.940 So there's Charlie Kirk, very influential, very outspoken about the dangers of a war

00:17:22.860 with Iran.

00:17:24.200 Charlie Kirk had President Trump's ear on the war with Iran, not saying President Trump

00:17:30.340 was going to be dutiful to what Charlie Kirk wanted, but he had President Trump's ear.

00:17:35.940 And then shortly before his death, again, based on the reporting of Max Blumenthal,

00:17:41.520 Charlie Kirk had a phone call, tells a friend of his, I'm afraid Israel is going to kill me.

00:17:48.360 And then Charlie Kirk is killed by a lone gunman. And the Joe Kent from the National Counter

00:17:59.300 Terrorism Center has said, there was evidence of foreign involvement that warranted investigation.

00:18:07.960 The FBI shut down all investigations into foreign involvement on the death of Charlie Kirk.

00:18:15.640 Then a war with Iran starts, and we have TPUSA shifting, changing stances,

00:18:26.120 carrying on Charlie's legacy while violating what he stood for in some aspects with Erica Kirk

00:18:34.040 running it.

00:18:34.980 So I just lay that as context for there's a lot of Israel Zionist enmeshment with Charlie Kirk TPUSA, what it is now and when he was alive.

00:18:52.900 Yes.

00:18:54.180 Yeah.

00:18:55.180 And you have to be able to criticize those things and say, look, I'm pointing this out.

00:18:59.440 uh maybe i can't emphatically definitively prove anything but all of this should be

00:19:06.040 under scrutiny all this should be questioned yeah um and that's and that's just you know

00:19:11.120 the the funny business in terms of uh foreign lobbyist and and uh influence and all those

00:19:18.940 kinds of things um surrounding the day-to-day operations of tpusa and uh the details surrounding

00:19:26.380 you know charlie's assassination but then beyond that like as it pertains to erica kirk

00:19:33.120 you know you and i were talking offline before recording this episode but i even her mere

00:19:40.720 presence not just what she's saying or the particular points that she's making but just

00:19:46.860 her mere presence as being um public facing head of the spear ceo um seems to be a glaring

00:19:57.940 contradiction to a lot of the things that charlie talked about like yeah you know like charlie was

00:20:05.620 i'm not saying that charlie was as conservative as i am on this particular issue i'm pretty

00:20:11.640 patriarchal in my views um and i recognize that he had a more moderate view um but i don't think

00:20:18.280 that charlie was like mr mr feminism boss babe like pro boss babes pantsuits get her in there

00:20:26.540 like i i think charlie said on multiple occasions that the primary place for a wife is at home

00:20:33.940 raising her children as a mother i i just saw that pop up again recently of charlie kirk saying that

00:20:41.820 on video uh because there's this controversy i won't even weigh in on because i don't have

00:20:48.960 an opinion i don't want to use confirmation bias but there's controversy right now about

00:20:55.060 you know tp usa says that charlie kirk had appointed erica kirk to run the organization

00:21:02.220 should something happen to him. And the other side says, well, you guys said it's on video.

00:21:08.740 Unless you release the video, we kind of think you're just making that up. So within the context

00:21:15.000 of it, you know, the arguments presented, here's Charlie Kirk saying something to the effect of

00:21:21.700 the most important place for a mother is home raising children, followed by the question,

00:21:28.180 then why would he appoint the mother of his children to be running an organization that 0.88

00:21:35.180 has her out on the road traveling all the time away from the home away from the children

00:21:40.240 so i just point out that's something people are talking about that little incongruency

00:21:47.500 uh but man it's it's interesting and i'll just you know because we're sharing my opinion

00:21:56.680 I certainly don't go so far as to say, hey, I'm convinced Erica Kirk was helping orchestrate

00:22:04.920 the assassination. Maybe. I'm not convinced of that. If anything, I doubt that until convinced

00:22:13.280 otherwise. What I see of her that I think deserves criticism is fakeness, where there's

00:22:23.720 seemingly vast incongruencies from her, you know, her words, her emotions that seem

00:22:33.660 it's incongruent. So it seems very acted out with these exaggerated facial expressions,

00:22:42.300 unnatural tones of voice, just kind of like a first year drama acting student. Like we're,

00:22:49.320 we're gonna do angry right now followed by looking up and like whatever the hell

00:22:58.420 um and you know the first thing that really caught my eye where i'm like i i so here's where i stand 0.83

00:23:09.420 uh i i think she's seeking fame and power and that's what i criticize her for that's not a crime 0.91

00:23:18.500 right at all but fame power seeking behavior that kind of destroys something that was great 1.00

00:23:27.720 that deserves criticism doesn't deserve legal prosecution it deserves criticism because

00:23:34.600 there seems to be deceptive tactics being used whether it's fake emotions acting

00:23:43.340 and, you know, lies, not felonies, but seemingly lies. That's where I come with criticism. And

00:23:52.840 the first thing that caught my eye was, you know, when it was leaked out, she was, you know,

00:24:00.600 running the company days after he died. And if I lost someone that close to me, I assure you,

00:24:10.300 i i wouldn't be working for a very long time i certainly wouldn't increase my workload

00:24:18.460 and i would want to do nothing but be with my kids i mean absolutely not i'm probably not even 1.00

00:24:26.120 taking any phone calls right she's different that's some people some gals are just built 0.99

00:24:34.100 different she's built different um yeah so that's the grief factor but there's also the 1.00

00:24:39.800 the fear factor it's like i've got across social media platforms like 300 000 followers which is

00:24:48.540 a drop in the bucket compared to charlie yeah and now erica and the kirk family

00:24:53.620 and yet even with is as small as my following is as a small to medium you know podcaster

00:25:02.840 influencer whatever you want to call it the moment that charlie died i remember the moment

00:25:07.680 that charlie died we we saw it um me and my team it was like 30 minutes before we had a live stream

00:25:16.800 already scheduled so we were like in the studio ready to go so boom we pivoted that was the topic

00:25:22.300 um for for the episode that day we did it and then i immediately immediately uh finished the episode

00:25:31.080 called my wife yeah said this is what happened get the kids uh start packing suitcases this is

00:25:38.520 conversation with my wife start packing suitcases um load up the van and we immediately uh left our

00:25:45.360 home because um i thought the left is going to be invigorated and boy were they i mean they were

00:25:53.040 doing videos laughing i mean just um utter glee like like um bliss joy they were elated

00:26:03.600 at the death of charlie kirk they loved it they loved which and see it's one thing if if one guy

00:26:10.460 is crazy and shoots charlie kirk it's honestly it's it's a one thing if it was massad yeah you

00:26:18.240 You know, and one particular country or one piece of the country is not like every Israeli citizen, you know, but like one piece of their government.

00:26:26.920 The most terrifying thing about the death of Charlie Kirk is that you and my neighbors, about half of our countrymen, were elated at the death of Charlie Kirk.

00:26:39.740 not just Mossad, not just Bibi Netanyahu, not just Tyler Robinson, but my neighbor who lives

00:26:48.220 catty corner across the street is excited, excited that a husband and father is gurgling

00:26:56.700 and lying in a pool of his blood on television. He loves it. That is terrifying. So for me,

00:27:06.000 as someone with just a little bit of influence not nearly the notoriety that the kirk family

00:27:11.560 has here's my point me scale it down right same concept but in terms of degree scale it down like

00:27:19.020 divide it by by 10 divide it by 100 much smaller by comparison my immediate instinct is we got to

00:27:26.760 get out of town and we did we got an airbnb all right because people people docks people can find

00:27:36.900 your home address it's not that hard now with claude and ai and all this kind of stuff and this

00:27:41.680 didn't happen in the 70s right this happened less than a year ago july can you believe 2025 hasn't

00:27:48.040 even been a year hasn't even been a year but to your point your survival protector instincts we

00:27:54.840 literally went out of town for days the opposite of a spotlight when we came exactly when we came

00:28:00.380 back we went to my wife's uh parents house uh and and then we got another airbnb and stayed there

00:28:10.080 for like we were doing all all these different things because um my point is everyone speaks

00:28:18.100 to you've done a great job at this and others have too and and we want to be measured we want

00:28:22.540 to be respectful. I don't want to just be cruel. But the truth does need to be said. So we can say

00:28:29.880 the truth without being cruel. So first, Erica Kirk has not seemingly portrayed the expected

00:28:40.100 normative emotions of a grieving, right? That's been kind of the focal point, grief, a grieving

00:28:46.960 widow but i haven't heard a lot of people talk about also the fearful widow yeah um because

00:28:54.660 that's another one of the the main three emotions because i've dealt with people who've experienced

00:28:59.800 loss as a pastor grief fear and anger yeah now we've seen some of the anger does seem a little

00:29:11.000 bit rehearsed but but you know some people are just bad on camera bad on camera so you know maybe

00:29:16.960 right we've seen some of the grief although the true grief probably wouldn't be seen i think is

00:29:22.460 our point it would be at home privately your children not on camera but still just all right

00:29:29.140 let's let's let's let's give grace let's give charity you know like so give the benefit of

00:29:33.620 the doubt on the grief factor give the benefit of the doubt on the anger factor um but the fear

00:29:39.320 element um i i'm not the spouse of charlie kirk and i'm like honey pack up the kids

00:29:51.440 pack the suitcases we're we're going uh we're laying low yeah laying low was my immediate

00:29:59.680 instinct and a lot and here's the thing it's not just me because i'm not a particularly fearful

00:30:05.480 person. There's a lot of influencers that they live off the grid. They've got personal security.

00:30:11.520 They've got this, that, and the other. Here's the deal for me, kind of similar to Charlie Kirk,

00:30:14.980 again, much lower degree. But Charlie Kirk, you could find him. You could find him because he was

00:30:23.160 one of those guys who was willing to do in-person events to the public with his Q&As, ask me

00:30:31.140 anything um well for me as a pastor you know uh i can find joel every single week on sunday morning

00:30:41.620 from 10 a.m to noon at church by virtue of being a pastor and and so my point in bringing that up

00:30:49.600 is to say i i don't think and sure i'm a little biased it's me after all but i i don't think i'm

00:30:55.680 a particularly fearful person i have i've gone viral for saying things that you're not supposed

00:31:00.480 to say gotten the death threats and sunday morning you know maybe a little extra protective gear but

00:31:08.100 sunday morning in the pulpit preaching god's word knowing that that there's a risk but with this

00:31:15.980 even though i'm not particularly a fearful person with this i i knew that um things like this

00:31:23.740 uh when your enemies get it's like when Israel in the Old Testament when David killed Goliath

00:31:30.880 all of a sudden it bolstered the uh the courage in all of Israel and then they all began not just

00:31:39.860 David so David does something nobody else is willing to transgress they're not willing to 0.87

00:31:44.000 cross that line he goes up and kills a giant but then all of Israel pursues the Philistines 0.55

00:31:51.220 and i just know the way that human nature works the way psychology works one guy gets a giant

00:31:58.460 in this case a good giant a giant for truth and virtue gets the giant and it empowers enables

00:32:05.240 emboldens the left as a whole let's go run them down yeah let's go get the rest of them they got

00:32:12.040 the giant charlie kirk now let's go get joel let's go get jp so my immediate instinct as a

00:32:18.580 typically normally non-fearful person lay low erica's instinct just based off of her actions

00:32:28.960 was let's let's get in the camera yeah and even and i'm sure i would strongly speculate

00:32:40.180 she had private security with her kids however charlie had private security yeah 0.86

00:32:45.160 yeah uh careful about hiring that company i'll i'll share

00:32:51.140 what was it maybe five years ago uh four years ago i was out of town death threats came in

00:33:00.520 someone on my team saw them and they were you know directed towards my family and um my wife

00:33:08.040 at the time now my ex is home with my son and i'm other side of the country doing comedy shows

00:33:13.920 grateful to know good capable men so I had special forces soldiers at my house within an hour and

00:33:26.320 I'm still on the other side of the country I know there are literally good guy killers yes with her

00:33:33.640 far more protected than if I was there but I was not at ease until I was home with my eyes

00:33:43.760 on. That's the parent instinct. Like during a time of there's danger, you want to be with your kids.

00:33:52.000 Even if you say, well, I'm a woman, what am I getting? I have security. Your instinct is you

00:33:57.560 want your eyes on your kids and let's seek shelter. So what I'm hearing you say is based

00:34:05.380 on her behaviors, you saw the opposite. And then, you know, the, the lack of grief, lack of fear.

00:34:15.760 Um, and to me, that was really first exemplified on the leaked zoom call where I think it was six

00:34:24.420 days after his death, she was celebrating the, the merch sales, you know, over $200,000 at the

00:34:31.380 memorial and, uh, $50,000 in hats. And it's just like, no, that's not a crime, but that's a very

00:34:41.440 weird incongruent thing that, that seems like someone's more concerned about merch sales than

00:34:51.000 the death of someone. So just again, not building a criminal case, but building a case of

00:34:59.080 facade deception a woman who is potentially motivated by um less than savory genuine

00:35:11.520 motivations and the thing is it's we don't only it's not like erica kirk her first public

00:35:17.960 appearance was by virtue of being the wife of charlie you are talking about somebody who does

00:35:24.700 actually have a little bit of film history somebody who maybe not the big time but has

00:35:30.180 been in the public eye before someone who's trying you know who wants to be seen now and

00:35:35.500 has made a few attempts you know pre pre charlie so there's that and again like you said that's

00:35:41.020 not a crime but um but there is that but two things that would help immensely i think in

00:35:49.720 taking some of the criticism away at least at least cutting it down to size would be one

00:35:56.600 um her just being out of the public eye and uh that that would have helped immensely 0.92

00:36:03.660 two to take the focus off of her um and you know i think there's plenty of blame to to go around

00:36:11.160 um it also would have helped her immensely if we had had some more answers from the fbi

00:36:18.500 yeah like like just just to know that someone in a legitimate valid position of authority

00:36:26.820 was willing just at least to say yeah this is fishing yeah lone gunman 30 yacht six

00:36:35.460 uh it's it's it's weird it's weird random old guy immediately gets up to run away as like

00:36:44.360 a an op so that they follow him yelling i did and then they find kitty horn on his phone also

00:36:51.980 his ethnicity of course is jewish you know yeah random it's not every single stein but it is every

00:36:57.320 single time so that like all these things to at least say that like i've i have found that people

00:37:05.020 can be um shockingly gracious shockingly forgiving shockingly patient if you'll just

00:37:14.860 acknowledge when things are weird when things are like guys this one is fishy this one seems

00:37:20.860 suspicious we get it and so we're not going to just do uh case closed cut and dry um this is

00:37:26.700 what we know so far tyler robinson and obviously we have him under arrest and obviously we're

00:37:32.540 We're questioning him and there's going to be a trial and all these kinds of things.

00:37:35.700 But we are, it's an open investigation.

00:37:38.860 Yeah.

00:37:39.460 And it's certainly telling when you question, well, here's the FBI official narrative thus far.

00:37:49.740 And you question it and you get attacked.

00:37:52.440 I'm not even talking about criticizing Erica Kirk.

00:37:55.500 I'm talking about questioning this, the lone gunman, this is all there is.

00:38:03.120 I got some questions on that, and you're attacked.

00:38:06.060 Then you have two of the faces on the current Charlie Kirk show, Blake Neff and Andrew Colvitt,

00:38:13.140 very adamantly preaching their endorsement of the FBI narrative, and you're crazy if

00:38:21.680 you suggest otherwise. 0.98

00:38:22.800 you're just a Candace Owens worshiping demon. They smear your character. Now, for example, 0.98

00:38:32.100 most of us would say, hey, if my most beloved was killed, I would want to know the truth about that.

00:38:41.120 I want to know that you can't have closure unless you know the truth of what happened.

00:38:47.720 so uh i've had conversations with rfk jr now he's not someone you you start with your father

00:38:55.920 and uncle killed by a lone gunman yes and don't you dare question that nope he's someone who says

00:39:03.540 i think the cia killed him really he is so i don't know that what that ill is you've talked

00:39:09.660 to him personally about that yeah wow so what that illustrates is part of the grieving process

00:39:16.500 is not endorsing a sketchy narrative about how your loved one died now i i personally think

00:39:25.480 there's a very well orchestrated psyop going on with tp usa charlie's death erica kirk whether

00:39:34.340 she knows it or not at least she's being used in the psyop doesn't necessarily mean she's in on it

00:39:39.300 absolutely we were all in on the covid psyop doesn't mean we all got like a special memo

00:39:44.580 that's self-destructed. Someone's in on it for sure, but many of us are involved just being

00:39:52.240 used in things we don't know. So with this, you look at how quick you'll be smeared and how the

00:40:01.700 establishment smears you and the extensions of the establishment, now TPUSA heads, they will

00:40:08.040 smear you if you even say this death narrative doesn't exactly make sense why why why did the

00:40:16.740 fbi shut down investigations into foreign involvement you were smeared you're told 0.92

00:40:20.780 you're crazy we know the cia invented the term conspiracy theory so there's a do you by chance

00:40:27.200 know of a guy named chase hughes i've heard the name psyop expert worked with the military 0.94

00:40:33.420 he's an amazing human doing just genuine great work and he's a psyop expert this is kind of like

00:40:42.340 you want this guy on the good guy side otherwise like whoa you could be manipulated so in being a

00:40:50.240 psyop expert chase hughes talks about there's three principal components of a psyop there's a strong

00:40:56.540 and consistent narrative there's a censorship complex and there's tribalism involved he says

00:41:04.580 if you have all three you have a psyop period these are the materials that the jail is made

00:41:14.420 out of learn to recognize them because you can't get out of a jail you don't know you're in

00:41:19.300 you can't get out of the influence of a psyop unless you can recognize it as a psyop so if

00:41:25.860 you look at these three three things strong consistent narrative a censorship complex and

00:41:31.160 then tribalism the charlie kirk assassination and still what tp usa is and how it's functioning

00:41:38.340 oh it's got all three big time strong and consistent narrative well it's so big you know

00:41:45.900 the fbi is telling you here's the gun narrative uh the the killing narrative don't you dare

00:41:53.580 question it. Then you have the censorship complex. Now, this isn't state-sponsored censorship,

00:41:59.880 but it's, call it citizen censorship. I think it's orchestrated beyond that. But

00:42:05.440 the censorship complex is, if I see you questioning Charlie Kirk's death or criticizing Erica Kirk,

00:42:13.580 I'm going online to attack you. So your speech is attempted to be shut down through intimidation.

00:42:22.560 when i put out my first video where i was pretending to be a tp usa employee on this

00:42:28.700 leaked erica kirk call i knew it would create backlash and it did is understandable did it

00:42:34.860 surprise you how much backlash no okay i i i thought it'd be big there was plenty of support

00:42:42.260 like thank you because i see it this week but huge backlash that's changing by the way people

00:42:49.260 are waking up like you can't just gaslight yourself into being gaslit by someone else

00:42:55.320 forever. You're eventually going to either say like, God, this is stupid, but whatever. Or you'll 1.00

00:43:00.980 say like, no, there's something here. I ran a poll on Twitter. This is a couple months after I put

00:43:06.820 that first piece out where there was major backlash. And on the Twitter poll, I was genuinely

00:43:12.680 interested, like, is it just the few fringe minority that see inconsistencies in Erica

00:43:20.860 Kirk and TPUSA or do more people see it?

00:43:25.160 So the poll, I didn't want to lead anybody.

00:43:27.940 Simple question is, do you think there's anything weird about Erica Kirk?

00:43:32.720 Question mark.

00:43:33.700 And the two options on the Twitter poll is yes and no.

00:43:37.980 80% of people said yes.

00:43:40.460 I think there's something weird about Erica Kirk.

00:43:42.440 doesn't mean how many votes uh that was uh i was tens of thousands i think well and and yeah it's

00:43:51.200 going out to my twitter audience but also twitter's algorithm shows your point of view to people that

00:43:56.740 believe the opposite point of view so it's engagement yeah we're not talking scientific

00:44:02.020 analysis here but that's a decent cross-section of people 80 said yes so anyway there you have

00:44:09.500 what's now become the Zionist crowd, the censorship complex of the Charlie Kirk narrative, 0.52

00:44:17.580 trying to shut you down, smear you, character smear, which brings you to the third component 0.86

00:44:23.200 of the PSYOP, tribalism, where now you're on public display, being disbanded from the tribe.

00:44:29.560 You're not part of civil society. You are an anti-Semitic, widow-bashing, despicable human. 1.00

00:44:37.040 And you are on public display. 1.00

00:44:39.380 You're not part of the tribe of polite society anymore.

00:44:42.360 By the way, anybody else who was thinking about talking about this, look at this example

00:44:48.600 over here.

00:44:49.760 Look at what happened.

00:44:50.580 That's tribalism.

00:44:51.820 It not only punishes you, but it intimidates others from representing what they see as

00:44:58.760 well.

00:44:59.780 So there is no question all the components of a psyop are at play with the whole Charlie

00:45:05.520 Kirk thing, both in terms of his death and what caused it and how TPUSA and Erica Kirk are

00:45:12.580 functioning today. And Joel, tell me if I'm the only one seeing this, but everybody who's outspoken

00:45:20.480 on Twitter that I've seen, commentators, et cetera, that will shut down any criticism of Erica Kirk

00:45:28.300 because she's just a grieving widow. They are also on board with the whole Zionist agenda.

00:45:33.980 they're the first to praise israel and everybody who's willing to criticize her and tp usa are

00:45:42.000 people that don't toe the lion line on israel is that just a shocking 100 correlated coincidence

00:45:50.060 yeah um yeah it's absolutely shocking because you're right like there's so many things

00:45:56.420 so many things that have you know at least on the surface have nothing to do with the israel

00:46:01.520 question zionism or whether we should be whether they really are our greatest ally or not um and

00:46:07.860 yet uh you can still like i could be posting about something completely unrelated and and yet um it

00:46:16.200 it's it's like clockwork it's this perfect dividing line between those who are pro-israel

00:46:21.100 hitting my post those who are not so pro-israel loving my post and yeah so no matter how you

00:46:30.100 slice it, I think I know what your point is. This may not be directly related, but everybody who's

00:46:37.660 very much Israel first seems to have a massive, massively vested interest in maintaining the

00:46:48.080 reputation of TPUSA, maintaining the grieving widow status of Erica Kirk. Yeah, it's those

00:46:57.200 people and then you remind yourself of what you introduced in the beginning of our conversation

00:47:04.320 turning point usa is now being used part of their function is pro-israel propaganda

00:47:12.160 uh for cash for cash to influence the minds of young american voters so we kind of come

00:47:20.400 full circle and the whole Israel component there, which also then raises questions of speculation of

00:47:31.200 Israel involvement in Charlie Kirk's death, the biggest, most well-known

00:47:37.340 cautioner against the war with Iran out of the equation. So that's weird stuff. And I'll also

00:47:49.220 share this, Joel. You know, if we can just suspend our fragile feelings and extend all

00:47:59.460 pretense of sympathies to a grieving widow and those who grieve about grieving widows,

00:48:06.980 just real talk for a second. Turning Point USA in their original mission, I want that to succeed.

00:48:15.080 Uh, I not like Israel uses them. No, but what turning point USA was like, I want that

00:48:24.340 organization to succeed. I think it was a, such a positive looking present day. If I was a

00:48:33.060 consultant, I would say, uh, the leadership is actually destroying it. You have turning point

00:48:40.080 USA chapter presidents resigning, some of them citing Erica Kirk. And you just see the Turning

00:48:49.820 Point USA has now kind of blended into the establishment rather than being something for

00:48:59.140 the people that it was. So if I was a consultant looking out for the best interest of Turning

00:49:05.920 point usa i would say to their board um ascend erica kirkholm and the two heads on the charlie

00:49:15.660 kirk show blake neff and andrew culvert they are um not charismatic people let's just leave it at

00:49:23.900 that they're not good faces it's just not good for business not good for business erica kirk is

00:49:29.840 repelling people this is how she's perceived you don't even have to say the way she's perceived

00:49:35.700 has some truth to it it can't be all you can say it's not her fault whatsoever it's simply

00:49:41.780 subjective not objective subjective it's just the optics but we are a multi multi multi million

00:49:47.820 dollar organization we have we have a business to run we need to be successful and so we have

00:49:54.040 to make these changes yeah that's what i would tell them and if they were interested in growth

00:50:00.200 and success for what they're supposed to be, they would do it. For example, if you remember,

00:50:07.240 10 years ago at this point, I forget what it was, it's the San Francisco 49ers. That's a major

00:50:13.640 business. I don't know of billions of dollars, but it's a major business. Yeah, it's a football

00:50:21.400 team, but through the eyes of the owner, this is a business. Colin Kaepernick, one of the best

00:50:26.860 quarterbacks in the league kneels down for the national anthem is gone that's quarterbacks in

00:50:33.560 the league yes he's not even an underperforming quarterback one of the best quarterbacks in the

00:50:39.260 league but the optics of that the owner said well that's bad for business he's off the team

00:50:46.300 that's common sense someone who's interested in the success of the organization beyond

00:50:55.140 just a person would do that. And then you have, I think, the most illogical argument for her

00:51:04.960 running TPUSA, though she has no business background or organization experience, just

00:51:11.840 unqualified. The illogical argument is, well, that's Charlie's wife. Of course, she should run

00:51:19.020 uh no you just imagine patrick mahomes quarterback of the kansas city chiefs

00:51:26.660 if he lost his life in a car accident the chiefs coaches aren't calling up his wife and saying

00:51:32.940 you know what you're our starting quarterback because you're his wife if the president of the

00:51:39.640 united states was taken out his wife isn't second most qualified the vice president is we inherently

00:51:47.900 know these very rational truths someone who bill clinton though he died hillary clinton it's not

00:51:57.180 that she would replace him because she's second most qualified she would actually in that case

00:52:00.360 be the most qualified he was second apparently the voters aren't on board with you she tried 1.00

00:52:06.180 yeah she tried but boy did she try dude america we had two chances to have a female president we

00:52:11.620 said no both times we were so real for that but let's go come on let's go america i think inherently 0.60

00:52:17.420 men are best built for the job of president however there's so many great women in our

00:52:22.700 country like kamala and hillary that is so disrespectful for women to have them be their

00:52:28.760 representative true so maybe erica kirk 2030 you never know so anyway my my point being 0.61

00:52:38.020 the fact that she is still running the organization and you see it's been terrible for optics

00:52:45.660 and the fact that they're just going harder in the same direction to the detriment of what that

00:52:53.020 of what we're told that organization does that that's also another weird thing yes completely

00:53:01.700 agree so why what's the point of this episode for you guys who are listening if you're asking that

00:53:06.520 question the point is because we're talking about truth we're talking about um truth particularly as

00:53:12.940 it pertains to the comedian i wanted to have this five-part series this is our final episode

00:53:18.020 with jp sears because i've seen the evolution of his journey his trajectory as a comedian

00:53:24.440 i watched like many of you the the early videos with the making fun of essential oils and all

00:53:31.120 those things almost a decade ago and and it's like well what does that have to do with where

00:53:36.820 he is today, being willing to criticize Zionism and Israel first, MIGA, you know, politics in

00:53:43.580 America and those kinds of things. But the irony is it's, I think it's perfectly consistent. I feel 0.83

00:53:49.840 like what the comedian is supposed to do is he's supposed to be the immune system that is kind of

00:53:57.280 like the first line of defense. When there's something wacky, he's the little kid in the

00:54:02.960 audience who points to the emperor and says he has no clothes and um he's that's what the comedian

00:54:09.140 does the jester is the the one guy in the kingdom who is strategically positioned uniquely positioned

00:54:17.560 to be able to uh to poke fun fun at everyone including the king yeah and i think you do that

00:54:23.780 well and the reason why i think the erica kurt tp usa conversation was necessary for us to have

00:54:31.920 is your willingness to speak out against Zionism

00:54:34.780 has been commendable, and that's one thing. 0.97

00:54:38.380 But I feel like watching from the outside, looking in,

00:54:42.900 I have not seen you criticized more for anything

00:54:45.760 than your willingness to say,

00:54:49.380 something's fishy here with TPUSA and Erica Kirk.

00:54:53.940 I got to do it because the truth matters.

00:54:56.980 And it's like I've got no vested interest in TPUSA

00:55:01.300 monetarily or involvement. But the truth matters. And the truth matters because God matters. And

00:55:11.000 the truth is an emanation of God. And anything that gets in the way of that, that is a foreign 0.99

00:55:16.720 invader. And it needs to be criticized. The logistics, the literal details, who it's about,

00:55:24.240 what it's about. Not my business. What is my business is the truth matters because God matters.

00:55:32.160 Amen. And just for the record, when you say the truth matters, JP is not asserting that he knows

00:55:40.480 exactly what happened, that he has the truth. But if people aren't willing to point out the

00:55:46.280 congruencies, the inconsistencies, the fishyness, the funny business, you're not pointing those

00:55:53.540 things out because you have some kind of monopoly on the truth, that you were there and you're privy

00:55:58.640 to all the inside baseball and you know exactly what happened. It's guys like you who are pointing

00:56:04.360 it out, not to say, I have the truth, but to say, no one has yet presented something compelling

00:56:11.600 enough for us to accept that it is the truth. So you're not saying, I have the truth. Listen to me.

00:56:17.160 you're saying, no, I don't have the truth, but neither do you. Try again. Try again. Come back

00:56:23.940 with better answers to these questions. That's absolutely true. And I think it's

00:56:30.360 important for everybody to give themselves permission. Charlie Kirk talked about this.

00:56:36.980 If you have a gut feeling that something's off, you're usually going to be right. So

00:56:42.860 when something feels off like, Oh, this doesn't seem true. Trust it. You don't have to know what

00:56:50.160 is true. You don't just gatekeep yourself and say, I can't not believe that until I know exactly what

00:56:58.400 is true. When it comes to everything we're talking about, I I'll criticize something like this

00:57:04.540 doesn't seem true. And you could say, well, what is true JP? And I'll, I'll be the first to usually

00:57:09.980 tell you i don't know but this doesn't seem true well said thank you guys for tuning in um

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The NXR Podcast - July 08, 2026

THE SPECIAL - Why Erika Kirk & TPUSA Must Be Criticized

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