The NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - Why Korean Men Are Rejecting Feminism (w⧸Kangmin Lee)

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00:00:59.600 Radical Christian nationalist pastor, Joel Webin.

00:01:03.620 Joel Webin.

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00:01:22.000 kongman welcome to the show it's an honor to have you let's talk right-wing politics

00:01:32.600 in south korea south korea is best korea i always love like uh when you got here uh i was like

00:01:41.200 you're from korea and you're like yeah i was like north or south you know how many times i've gotten

00:01:47.000 that over the years and it was funny at first i'm like okay dude we get it like oh yeah you know

00:01:53.140 that the korean peninsula is divided between north and south you know what let's start there for a

00:01:57.100 second what uh what would god's will optimal will the best case scenario be for north korea

00:02:04.140 for them to reclaim their christian heritage yes um if you know anything about korea so

00:02:10.080 korea christianity was first introduced to korea in the early 1700s approximately there

00:02:15.840 And it was actually Catholicism that picked up a lot of steam in Korea.

00:02:20.460 So it was gaining a lot of momentum.

00:02:22.440 A lot of people were converting to Catholicism.

00:02:24.300 And then so there's tens of thousands of Koreans who were martyred for the faith.

00:02:28.080 And they were called the Korean martyrs.

00:02:30.120 And a lot of them were canonized saints in the Catholic Church.

00:02:33.120 And then in the early 1900s, there was a great Pyongyang revival where a revival broke out.

00:02:39.600 And it was a Protestant revival. 0.52

00:02:40.900 God bless, right?

00:02:41.700 Because we're Protestant.

00:02:42.320 But it was a Protestant revival of tens of thousands of North Koreans, and that trickled out to hundreds of thousands of Koreans giving their lives to Christ.

00:02:50.820 And so actually, Christianity boomed in North Korea first.

00:02:54.220 And so people don't know this, but in the early 1900s, and especially during Japanese colonialism, the colonial era, if you were from the north, or if you were a Christian, people knew that you were from the north.

00:03:05.700 And there was tons of people who ventured from the north to the south during the time of Japanese colonialism to evangelize.

00:03:13.660 So a lot of Koreans actually, the first Christians and a lot of the Christians were North Korean.

00:03:18.900 And so actually my great-grandfather was a big part of that revival actually.

00:03:23.800 And so I'm a fourth generation Christian thanks to him.

00:03:26.180 And so part of my mom's side of the family actually is from North Korea.

00:03:30.060 And so I'm actually technically kind of half North Korean in that case.

00:03:34.420 And then my grandfather fled during the Korean War when the United States, South Korea, and most of the Allied forces took over most of the Korean Peninsula.

00:03:43.600 And then he fled to the South during that time.

00:03:47.280 And then that's how I'm here. 0.79

00:03:48.560 But yeah.

00:03:49.120 Real quick with North Korea, because we're constantly told that it's the most totalitarian regime of all time, more communistic than even the CCP.

00:03:58.960 and that the people there aren't allowed to be Christian

00:04:03.120 or have any kind of faith in Christ.

00:04:07.040 What do you know about the current state of North Korea?

00:04:10.220 So the thing about North Korea

00:04:11.300 is that they've been opening up a lot, right? 0.91

00:04:13.320 And still to this point, yes,

00:04:14.860 it is pretty totalitarian by American standards

00:04:19.200 and modern Western sensibilities,

00:04:21.860 but they've opened up a lot.

00:04:23.700 And this is what people need to understand.

00:04:25.020 They're not just some starving hellhole anymore

00:04:27.580 because in the same way that china had to open up their economy in the late 1900s because they're

00:04:33.360 like okay well frick our people are starving right and we don't have a means of wealth creation

00:04:37.780 because uh say what you will about the free market and economic freedom but it does create wealth

00:04:44.440 right when you leave people and the best of people to create businesses and innovate and create

00:04:49.420 products and services uh your country grows and that's just an inevitable reality and then so i

00:04:56.300 think north korea saw the same thing they saw okay well china opened up and they were starting to

00:04:59.980 make money and have their people not starve anymore and then so north korea is in a similar

00:05:05.720 trajectory of course nowhere near south korea but if you look at some of the pictures and the

00:05:10.520 footage coming out of pyongyang there's a lot of people who say oh that's just propaganda that's

00:05:13.980 just propaganda no north korea has nukes they have nukes you know there's not a lot of countries in

00:05:18.880 this world that have nukes that like we we just went to war with iran or bombed iran and started

00:05:25.800 attacking them because of their nuclear arsenal program allegedly right but it's like north korea 1.00

00:05:32.560 has nukes so they're not just some oh yeah we just dismiss them they're stupid no like they're 0.99

00:05:36.860 a serious threat and if you understand anything it's that we're still the same han people we're 0.99

00:05:41.920 still koreans so uh north korean south koreans we still have the same lineage from for thousands 0.91

00:05:47.900 of generations or thousands of years for many many generations and so they have still the same

00:05:52.660 capabilities that south koreans do so if you saw south korea become go from one of the poorest

00:05:58.280 countries in the world after the korean war to now one of the richest and most influential north

00:06:03.020 korea has that same uh potential and then to dismiss north korea to look down on north korea

00:06:09.080 i think it's naivete i think it's actually immature in order just to look at north korea and look at 0.75

00:06:15.240 it as a communist hellhole because they are loosening up a lot and they're actually giving 0.70

00:06:19.420 a lot more freedoms back to north korean people of course it's still insular like they don't have

00:06:22.620 access to the internet uh that global internet but they have an a nationwide internet that they

00:06:28.040 use a lot of north koreans have smartphones and so this is not me being pro north korea and be like

00:06:32.820 oh i love north korea by any means but we have to be realistic about how north korea is industrializing

00:06:38.620 and if america and south korea don't take that seriously then well they're gonna be a really

00:06:44.660 big threat in the near future yeah what what is it like in terms of faith are people allowed to

00:06:50.000 be christians yeah so they've actually loosened them at least from what i can see they've loosened

00:06:53.680 up a lot of the restrictions on uh religious freedom so before you couldn't be christian at

00:06:59.060 all because you know with the communists um you know you saw with uh the soviet union and china

00:07:05.000 in the beginning stages of communism they completely rip out christianity right because

00:07:09.760 christianity poses a threat to the state uh in these communist regimes ironic because it's

00:07:15.700 supposed to be a stateless moneyless utopia but then of course the state controls everything and

00:07:20.840 tries to stamp out our religious liberties as christians uh so it started like that for sure

00:07:25.560 like you'd be jailed you wouldn't be allowed to practice your faith now they're opening up at

00:07:29.300 least from what i can see religious freedoms for christians to practice their faith openly

00:07:33.780 as long as you don't go against explicitly the kim regime and the north korean government uh but

00:07:39.460 is there a particular vein of christianity i know for a while in china it was that you could be

00:07:44.660 christian when they started opening up but it had to be a state a state sanctioned yeah it's

00:07:49.860 a self church yeah it's like similar to that um again i'm not a north korean politics expert but

00:07:56.040 from what i can see because you know politics on the korean peninsula really deeply interests me

00:07:59.620 now as i become more right-wing and i become more aware of my heritage and i just intrinsically

00:08:06.540 start to want to learn more about not only the history of that area and my donation from which

00:08:13.100 i come from but also the current politics and and so yeah i'm not sure uh exactly but i do believe

00:08:20.520 it is some sort of state state sanctioned form of christianity where you can say basic christian

00:08:26.660 tenets as long as it's not you know revolutionary in nature and talking about uh yeah any sort of

00:08:34.060 revolutionary talk that says like oh yeah like it's in america that's very common right oh we

00:08:40.080 worship god not the state we worship god not the government things like that as long as that kind

00:08:44.200 of rhetoric is not being promulgated i do think they are allowing broad broadly speaking it's not

00:08:50.120 that they don't persecute christians they still do to a certain extent but it's not as harsh as

00:08:55.060 it used to be right okay so shifting now to south korea that's your heritage your people um north

00:09:01.640 korea too by the way yeah yeah but oh yeah you're right yeah we're all saying we're all one people

00:09:06.000 we're just divided by ideology which is you know really sad but yeah it is sad um okay so

00:09:12.980 south korea though that's where you were born and uh that's where some of your family lives

00:09:17.440 uh you are a american citizen and still citizenship in south korea i assume uh no so i'm not a dual

00:09:24.440 citizen oh you're not yeah so i'm i gave up my korean citizenship and i became an american

00:09:28.920 citizen back in college okay god bless i appreciate that um okay so that said talk to me about south

00:09:35.680 korea let's start with this um for the younger generation the divide political divide between

00:09:40.960 young men and young women it's like the the the widest gap yeah of like right-wing men

00:09:48.440 left-wing women um that's kind of a pretty common uh lay the land for every country women tend to

00:09:55.920 be more liberal uh than the men uh but you guys have one of the widest gaps uh of any nation 0.69

00:10:04.000 currently right now in the world what do you think that is there's a lot of reasons and

00:10:08.980 you know people it does frustrate me when people on the internet who've never been to korea who've

00:10:16.060 never interacted with koreans have all of these uh they they pontificate and they kind of in their

00:10:23.740 own sophistry they're like oh yeah korea is this because of this or that because of that 0.87

00:10:27.500 a lot of it's very multi-layered a lot of it has to do with the rapid industrialization a lot of

00:10:33.280 it has to do with the consumerism and materialism that uh is wrecking havoc throughout korea but 0.89

00:10:38.820 the thing that people need to understand is that the like the women in korea are actually 0.93

00:10:44.640 conservative by western norms right so if you actually look at the data korean women are

00:10:50.520 actually more conservative than women in europe and women in the united states it's just that

00:10:56.960 the men are super conservative like super right wing and so yeah like if you go to the you know 0.79

00:11:02.700 The average Korean woman that you meet on the streets in Korea, they're going to be feminine.

00:11:06.880 They're going to be gentle. 0.99

00:11:07.640 They're going to be elegant.

00:11:10.240 They're going to have etiquette.

00:11:11.600 And they're going to be pleasant, which is exceedingly rare in America today. 1.00

00:11:17.040 But yeah, and that's the kind of woman that you're going to meet.

00:11:19.400 They're not going to be super extremely left-wing, super pro-LGBTQ. 0.99

00:11:26.080 And they might be pretty like pro-abortion because they don't really understand what it is and things like that. 0.93

00:11:31.580 but yeah by if the average korean woman came to america they would be considered right-wing 0.88

00:11:37.740 because by nature being someone who's not ideologically super left-wing makes you a

00:11:43.100 right-winger today for some reason uh let's say people like tim pool god bless him as he's a

00:11:47.880 right-winger how's he a right-wing he's a liberal right he's a centrist yeah yeah and and but people

00:11:51.940 think he's right yes yes uh love tim pool he's part korean by the way i don't know if you knew

00:11:55.800 that no really yeah he's part korean you know what that kind of checks out you you just uh

00:12:00.720 you've been on his show, right? I got to go on it twice last year. I like him.

00:12:06.500 Yeah, he's a good guy.

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00:13:51.160 if you're buying it in the store. And then so that's women where they're not that left-wing, 1.00

00:13:57.020 but just in any society women are just going to be more left-wing than the men are but then men

00:14:01.100 the reason why they're so hard right is because in the same way that americans in america have

00:14:07.880 been screwed over by the system and by wokeness dei all these things korean men young korean men

00:14:12.900 have been screwed over the same way explain that yeah we were talking about this offline it's

00:14:17.080 fascinating because in some ways it's worse yeah for korean men than it's been for white american

00:14:22.580 yeah so um you know if people don't know this i think everyone should know this but korean men

00:14:27.980 are all required to go to military training and to serve in the military uh they've reduced it a

00:14:32.620 lot actually so it used to be three years in my in my father's generation they went for three years

00:14:37.200 and served in the military now it's 18 months uh still close to two years but yeah so basically

00:14:43.640 for two years they have to go serve in the military they have to go serve in the military

00:14:47.620 it's mandatory military service of course the women don't have to go and yeah i agree the 1.00

00:14:51.980 women shouldn't have to go because i don't i believe the women shouldn't have to serve in the

00:14:55.300 military shouldn't have to fight on the front lines uh if war were to break out but so what 0.98

00:15:03.180 the left-wing administrations and the left-wing governments and assemblymen have done and tried 1.00

00:15:07.980 to continuously implement in korea they were forcing corporations and companies to hire women 0.92

00:15:15.260 by virtue of them being women it was like dei on steroids and then so they were giving jobs away

00:15:21.500 not to the most capable 0.66

00:15:22.960 and not to those

00:15:24.360 who truly deserved it

00:15:25.240 but just because 1.00

00:15:26.160 they were women

00:15:27.000 it's like similar to

00:15:28.240 I forgot which airline it was

00:15:29.960 but they had that ad

00:15:30.680 about hiring more black pilots

00:15:32.260 and so it's just

00:15:33.280 hiring pilots 0.99

00:15:34.320 just because they're black 0.99

00:15:35.120 but it's that on steroids 0.98

00:15:36.800 where it's just saying

00:15:37.480 to broad swaths

00:15:38.720 of corporations 1.00

00:15:39.400 hey you have to hire women 0.98

00:15:41.660 and so all these young men 0.83

00:15:44.200 who not only

00:15:45.180 have to give up

00:15:46.200 two years of their lives

00:15:47.240 to serve in the military 1.00

00:15:48.060 that women don't have to 1.00

00:15:48.980 but also when they come 1.00

00:15:50.040 out of the military

00:15:50.680 well all their jobs are being taken by women so how are young men gonna feel oh they're gonna hate 0.91

00:15:56.160 it they're gonna hate it and they say what is this and not only this uh women don't want to 0.51

00:16:02.020 get married women don't want to have children so then they see this and they're like well i hate 0.56

00:16:05.920 feminism i absolutely despise feminism because not only is it causing the decline in our birth

00:16:12.240 rates it's literally giving preferential treatment and to women and discriminating men against men 0.66

00:16:19.360 and giving all these job opportunities for men 0.67

00:16:21.980 because women are increasingly hypergamous 0.99

00:16:24.300 in our societies today, right? 1.00

00:16:25.880 And so they won't marry or date a man

00:16:28.100 who makes less money than them or doesn't have a job, 1.00

00:16:31.000 but then a lot of women are taking the jobs 1.00

00:16:33.060 that should be for men.

00:16:34.500 And then so all the men are really disenfranchised, 0.54

00:16:38.200 like extremely, extremely disenfranchised in Korea.

00:16:41.060 So that's a big part why they're like that.

00:16:44.000 And a lot of them are seeing just how,

00:16:46.820 well, South Korea has a lot of great things.

00:16:48.740 there's a lot of incredible things it's clean it's orderly all these things that we enjoy and

00:16:54.940 we want in the west as well uh you can leave your belongings anywhere like you can leave your

00:17:00.740 laptop in the middle of a cafe in downtown seoul no one's going to take it really it's great it's

00:17:06.020 it's a high trust society so not not very diverse yes not very diverse i mean it is becoming a

00:17:11.520 little more diverse which is concerning but not like america oh not like america uh by any means

00:17:16.340 and so there's a lot of yes it's safe it's very it's one of the safest first world countries

00:17:20.400 and so in those regards korea is so incredibly amazing and i love it but yeah but it really is

00:17:27.220 the worst parts of capitalism uh encapsulated where if you look at the birth rate in korea

00:17:36.020 and 50 years ago it was over five wow 50 years ago it was over five now it's point well it actually

00:17:45.080 increased this past year so it's over 0.8 which is great it's positive yeah i want to ask you about

00:17:49.480 that because it's very difficult for nations to reverse the birth rate and the fact that they've

00:17:55.540 done that is significant but go ahead and make your point first yeah so it used to be five right

00:18:00.640 five like seriously in two generations it went from going from having a positive a very very

00:18:07.400 positive birth rate of five to now 0.68 increased a little bit to 0.8 and i do think a lot large 0.97

00:18:15.960 part in that is because a lot of koreans are kind of waking up kind of waking up to the lies of

00:18:20.500 feminism and the lies of modernity about how you just have to be a workhorse for these corporations

00:18:26.060 and slave away to these companies that don't care about you but yeah all in all i do think a large

00:18:33.300 part of it and the conference i was speaking at build up korea back in september where charlie

00:18:39.320 also spoke so i was with charlie kirk in korea a few days before he was assassinated oh wow yeah

00:18:44.440 and you know at that conference i really prayed about like what do i want to talk about what do

00:18:49.580 i want what do i want to say to the korean people and if there's something that i could say and

00:18:54.300 never say it again in korea what would it be and then i touched on materialism how materialism is

00:19:00.980 the scourge undergirding so many of koreans korea's problems and this obsession with attainment

00:19:07.060 obsession with status and wealth and all of these things that aren't bad in and of itself right but 0.91

00:19:14.120 that becomes the highest good in the eyes of koreans going to the best college getting a nice 0.97

00:19:20.160 comfy desk job and we call them uh it's huge corporations like samsung lg hyundai these 0.51

00:19:28.300 these humongous corporations in korea where you know samsung everyone knows samsung the samsung

00:19:34.040 controls and it's responsible for 25 of south korea's gdp 25 so there's a lot of koreans who 0.86

00:19:40.920 want to work for these huge companies and they are obsessed with money convenience comfort 1.00

00:19:45.340 living in a nice apartment and this is really a lot of what koreans live for mindlessly and 1.00

00:19:51.760 uh that's what causes a lot of the feminism in korea a lot of the feminism in korea is actually 0.99

00:19:58.500 not man-hating and there is a small subset of call of women called they call themselves the 4b

00:20:05.820 um and it stands for like 4b b meaning like no so like 4b we're not going to date men we're not

00:20:12.200 going to have sex with men we're not going to marry men and we're not going to have children

00:20:14.980 uh and then this is it's this radical left-wing movement in korea feminist movement that says 0.99

00:20:21.240 that we hate men it's like a coven bunch of witches yes essentially but they're so niche 0.75

00:20:26.620 it's so small and a lot of internet activists are like look at the 4b woman this is why women 0.54

00:20:31.440 aren't having children with men like they hate men they're rejecting men actually that's not 0.60

00:20:35.000 the truth like generous generous estimates say that about maybe few tens of thousands few like

00:20:42.320 maybe 20 000 30 000 maybe women identify as part of the 4b movement there are 30 million near 30

00:20:50.440 million women in korea right so the vast majority of women don't buy into that but then what is 1.00

00:20:55.580 responsible for the low birth rates and why aren't women having children why aren't women getting 0.99

00:21:00.520 married well if you go to korea you're gonna see couples everywhere yeah they're dating there's a

00:21:05.840 lot of couples but they're not getting married and they're not having children why because they see

00:21:10.620 it as an impediment to their career right for women they studied so hard throughout school

00:21:15.580 they worked so hard in college and then they worked so hard throughout their whole lives to 0.89

00:21:18.840 get a good job but then oh i have to give that up now to have children why well and that's how so

00:21:24.220 many koreans were raised because of the trauma of poverty post korean war and so my grandparents

00:21:29.800 generation and then my parents generation was so indoctrinated and so so obsessed with the idea of

00:21:34.520 i don't want my children to grow up like i did so you need to study hard and you need to work hard

00:21:39.600 and amass a lot of wealth and it might be a good desire at first but but then that obsession 1.00

00:21:45.040 translates to right materialism being the end goal and and so because of that feminism is actually

00:21:53.280 in large part in korea motivated by materialism and people don't understand that where even

00:21:59.220 marriage uh the percentage of children born out of wedlock in america i think it's near 50 i think

00:22:05.720 like 44 or something like that do you know what the percentage of children born out of wedlock

00:22:09.760 in korea is what two percent so koreans still have a traditional understanding of marriage 0.75

00:22:15.920 right but that's why they're scared to get married because they understand okay then the woman has 1.00

00:22:19.200 to stay home with the children raise the children oh but woman why would women like women don't want 1.00

00:22:24.360 to give up yeah exactly and forever to get here exactly and that's the careerism that's the 1.00

00:22:29.040 consumerism that's the materialism that is telling women that you need to attain everything and do

00:22:34.520 everything a man does while also right giving birth and taking care of children and it's an

00:22:40.280 unrealistic expectation that is unfairly you know unfairly put onto women in korea and women in the

00:22:46.620 first world in general to say that you have to be like men but also be woman and i think it's an

00:22:51.400 unrealistic and unfair expectation to place on women and i think we need to get back to a place

00:22:56.040 where we say no actually women you don't need to be like men and your purpose to be a caretaker

00:23:01.860 to be a nurturer to be a birth giver you know you birth new life that is a glorious calling

00:23:08.640 and that is important calling and so we don't diminish that in any way and just because you

00:23:13.420 don't have a nice comfy job and a nice prestigious job in seoul at a big company it doesn't mean that

00:23:20.460 you are any less accomplished and that you know you're a failure in life yeah yeah that's well

00:23:26.580 said um it's ironic you know ai uh scares me i think that there's you know countless like

00:23:33.700 virtually limitless um future possible scenarios um in which it seems like 99.9 percent of them

00:23:42.400 are dystopian and maybe a few possibilities where it might actually be positive um but one of the

00:23:49.220 positive effects that i predict um with the ai revolution is it's going to replace a lot of

00:23:54.840 people in their work and um i think that that will have you know some severe negative consequences

00:23:59.600 but one positive one is i do think that uh artificial intelligence will displace people

00:24:06.460 disproportionately i think it will displace more women than men when you think of like you know

00:24:12.260 what are they going to be the first things to go it's going to be admin jobs it's going to be the

00:24:15.800 hackling hens at the hr department it's going to be um a lot of the busy work that's um is not

00:24:21.860 super productive you know the managerial class um ai is not going to necessarily be innovating

00:24:27.700 and leading the way and uh creating new things but um but in terms of managing and organizing

00:24:34.160 um a lot of the work that is for the most part feminine coded that has been filled positions by

00:24:41.040 women um i think those will be some of the first jobs to go and so in that sense um ai

00:24:47.720 might be a nail in the coffin,

00:24:52.060 at least on the capitalistic economic side 1.00

00:24:54.700 of the equation when it comes to feminism. 1.00

00:24:56.800 100%. 1.00

00:24:57.260 And I think a lot of the,

00:25:00.200 here's the thing.

00:25:01.160 Yes, the birth rates are a problem.

00:25:02.860 The collapsing birth rates in the first world

00:25:05.220 is a big problem.

00:25:06.520 But I think a lot of it's overblown.

00:25:08.140 And what I mean by that is that they freak out

00:25:10.140 and say, okay, we don't have

00:25:12.000 above replacement birth rate. 1.00

00:25:14.220 So we have to import immigrants. 1.00

00:25:16.800 and migrants from the third world 1.00

00:25:19.200 to work those jobs that people aren't willing to work. 0.85

00:25:21.620 And we have to keep that positive replacement 0.96

00:25:24.400 and bring in as many immigrants 1.00

00:25:25.920 to make up for the children that aren't being born.

00:25:29.100 And there's a lot of this narrative happening,

00:25:30.560 but I think actually you have to take into account

00:25:33.680 human ingenuity.

00:25:34.960 You have to take into account human innovation.

00:25:37.580 And then so, yeah, maybe we actually don't need 1.00

00:25:39.860 to import a bunch of migrants from the third world 0.99

00:25:42.120 who don't share our language, our history, 0.99

00:25:44.540 our culture, our customs, and don't worship the same God. 0.96

00:25:46.800 right and are completely different they have come come from a completely different ancestry

00:25:51.280 like maybe we don't need to import millions of them in order to sustain our economy why because

00:25:56.260 of technology right because ai can supplement to a certain degree the jobs that would have gone to

00:26:03.200 these low-skill laborers it's i mean it certainly will with time and not that much time i'm not

00:26:09.660 talking about 50 years i'm talking about anywhere from two to 10 years um you know we'll we'll see

00:26:16.840 more and more physical ai that's the you know in america that's the age-old question is who's

00:26:21.400 going to pick the cotton right so like you know we can't free the slaves and it's like oh we you 0.96

00:26:26.000 know we can't deport you know the immigrants and it's like you know so it's the answer to the 0.98

00:26:30.300 slaves is immigrants and i think the answer to the immigrants might be robots you know we might

00:26:35.340 actually finally be done with that question of uh technology might actually be the answer to where 0.99

00:26:41.040 all of a sudden there's no excuse however here's here's what i predict all right so i'll get a

00:26:45.040 little wacky for a second um the problem i predict will be democracy so democracy coupled with 0.93

00:26:51.320 universal suffrage i think is one of the most uh wicked sinister and just downright retarded 0.90

00:26:58.120 forms of government uh known to man yeah right so monarchy fantastic uh period but certainly 0.99

00:27:07.400 uh in comparison to a raw universal suffrage democracy i i do not believe that there is a

00:27:15.300 worse form of government um than than a every single person with a heartbeat gets to vote

00:27:22.320 like there should be iq tests to vote um it should the 19th amendment should be repealed 0.72

00:27:29.240 that's a no-brainer right so it's like you should have to be a man um you should have to have an

00:27:34.740 an iq above room temperature you should um you should be gainfully employed in a net positive

00:27:41.300 taxpayer unless special provisions and exceptions like a veteran or something like that you should

00:27:46.720 have no criminal record you should um you should be able to go into a voting booth where the only

00:27:52.680 language in the booth is the language that's spoken in that country you know like i mean there's

00:27:58.740 so many like common sense procedures without even getting to religion as for me as a christian

00:28:04.380 nationalist i think that you should have to be a christian to vote um but you know before you even

00:28:08.920 get there um you know in america i would say you have to be you know third generation american on

00:28:13.380 both sides of the family or fifth generation American,

00:28:15.960 at least on one side of the family.

00:28:17.660 You need to be a heritage American. 0.73

00:28:19.700 In other words, you have to have a stake in the past.

00:28:21.920 It's like, well, I was born here.

00:28:23.900 Well, tough.

00:28:25.540 You know, like America's full.

00:28:27.420 I said, well, I'm, you know, I'm an immigrant.

00:28:30.280 Correct, aren't we all immigrants? 1.00

00:28:32.160 No, settlers and immigrants are not the same. 0.93

00:28:35.860 America has been settled for a very long time. 1.00

00:28:37.720 We have immigrants today. 0.74

00:28:38.940 We had settlers back then. 1.00

00:28:40.500 Settlers and immigrants are not the same. 1.00

00:28:42.560 One group came to build the country. 1.00

00:28:44.060 The other group came to take from the country. 0.64

00:28:46.560 And that's very different.

00:28:48.200 So heritage Americans stake in the country's past

00:28:51.440 and its heritage, third generation on both sides

00:28:53.560 or fifth generation on one.

00:28:55.060 You also should have a stake in the country's future.

00:28:57.340 And I would argue you should be married.

00:28:58.820 If you're not married, you don't get a vote. 0.98

00:29:00.960 Not all married couples can have children, 0.51

00:29:03.040 but marriage presumes, you know, children, posterity, future.

00:29:07.980 So heritage, you're looking back.

00:29:10.540 future, posterity, marriage, you're looking for it. No crime, criminal record, net positive tax

00:29:17.520 paying, male, so it's representative government. It's not a raw democracy. It is a republic of

00:29:23.240 sorts. Each father standing in for his children, husband standing in for his wife. The head of

00:29:29.720 household is representative of the family. Well, do women get a voice? Yeah. They have a powerful 1.00

00:29:34.260 voice through the head of household, the male leader of the family. Still have a voice, but

00:29:39.060 don't have a vote. There's one vote that is representing many voices, right? So all those

00:29:44.120 kinds of things are, I think, perfectly common sense. But apart from that, here's my prediction

00:29:48.880 as it goes back to AI. I think AI will fix, I think it might just ruin the world, but let's just

00:29:55.840 hypothetically say the positive outcomes actually transpire. Then assuming that, and that's a huge

00:30:02.080 assumption um ai would fix some of the um some of the issues on the economic side of the equation

00:30:08.980 right like answering the question once and for all uh the final solution if you will economically for 0.90

00:30:14.500 who will pick the cotton right we don't need the slaves we don't need the immigrants we've got the 0.98

00:30:18.980 robots um this is what won't happen though with ai because then it's like okay we don't have to 0.99

00:30:24.300 transport the third world anymore uh yes you will you still will and here's why uh votes

00:30:31.260 votes you may be able to uh tie up a nice little bow the economic problems with ai um especially

00:30:40.780 physical ai but you will not be able to solve the insatiable appetite of career politicians

00:30:48.380 who still want the immigrants they'll no longer have the rhetoric of we need them to do jobs and

00:30:53.940 americans aren't willing to do and blah blah but they'll still come up with some kind of reason for 0.99

00:30:57.660 why we need to let all these people into our country, guised underneath the thin veil of 0.92

00:31:02.840 compassion and these kinds of things, so that what? So that they can win elections. I don't

00:31:09.460 think you ever fix immigration until you get rid of universal suffrage. So you have to get rid of 1.00

00:31:15.920 raw democracy, universal suffrage. And then you also do have to fix the financial side of the

00:31:22.060 equation. AI solves for one of those, but some kind of political revolution is required to solve

00:31:28.160 for the other. Now, if you can solve for both, no longer having universal suffrage with a raw

00:31:32.300 democracy and you have robots to pick the cotton, then all of a sudden you would see on both sides

00:31:37.360 of the aisle in our context here in America, both Democrats and Republicans for once, they would

00:31:41.180 agree and they'd be like, millions must go back. They would finally agree on that because the only

00:31:46.900 two incentives have been satiated you know and so there's there's no longer a motive um but all

00:31:52.300 that being said i'm with you on the technology side of the equation i think a lot of these things

00:31:56.680 uh will be answered but but it brings up the question for me because i'm i'm a novice i don't

00:32:00.840 you know i don't study south korean politics um what i i mean you guys have a democracy right

00:32:07.160 yeah sorry for that that's probably our influence i apologize um is that universal suffrage anybody

00:32:13.140 everybody can vote yeah they actually started to allow for foreigners to vote in their elections 0.96

00:32:19.200 classic it's very very concerning because of the amount of chinese nationals southeast asian 0.98

00:32:24.960 nationals um arabs and indians that are coming into korea increasingly now and so you know korea

00:32:31.980 touts i see a lot of well there's a lot of south korean hate on the internet i don't you're probably

00:32:37.660 not part of that part of the internet but there's a lot of irrational and just very visceral hatred

00:32:44.800 towards korea and i do believe a lot of it is motivated by envy and jealousy because they see

00:32:50.580 this small little country uh the size maybe two new jerseys they're pretty small but they've they've

00:32:57.220 gone from being one of the poorest countries in asia to now one of the richest and most influential

00:33:01.260 where the after hollywood south korean entertainment is the most watched and after

00:33:08.020 america and the uk south korean music is the most listened to worldwide wow yeah so the influence

00:33:13.580 that south korea has not to even mention economically right with with the semiconductors

00:33:17.380 and its smartphones and its technologies its cars um yeah it's it's truly enormous and it's

00:33:25.420 actually quite impressive how influential south korea has gotten in three generations and three

00:33:31.180 generations they went from being one of the poorest countries in the world to one of the richest and

00:33:34.380 most influential uh you know a lot of people look at that and they obsess over it but then in their

00:33:39.500 obsession they become jealous and they find ways to rationalize um their hatred towards korea and 0.66

00:33:46.940 to make sense of why their countries are still objective cesspools and then korea is so incredibly 0.95

00:33:53.700 amazing now uh that being said a lot of hatred towards korea but these foreigners then come into 0.57

00:34:00.700 korea because they're obsessed with korean culture they're obsessed with korean food and korean dramas 0.80

00:34:05.380 and korean music they love the boy bands oh bts i want to see bts right and so they come into korea 0.84

00:34:11.180 and they come into korean droves and so it's not only the migrants who are willing to work the

00:34:16.820 low-skill hard labor jobs that a lot of koreans aren't willing to work which is a little different

00:34:22.500 in korea and america where america are willing to americans are willing to work the blue collar

00:34:26.020 jobs a lot of koreans aren't willing to in the next generation which is something that needs to

00:34:30.200 be fixed but it's also people who are obsessed with korean culture right and korean people 0.61

00:34:36.380 and they come in and a lot of them now are totally replacing whole villages and communities in korea

00:34:44.040 wow and it's a problem so they're starting to be able to vote of course women can vote men can vote 0.66

00:34:48.980 but this idea of korea being a stable democracy is actually a lie it's never a stable democracy

00:34:55.080 there's never a normal presidency since the inception of south korea never so the first

00:35:01.960 korean south korean president was isungman uh singman ri and he ruled as an authoritarian for

00:35:08.700 around 12 years uh from 1948 to 1960 and then he was usurped uh through military coup by pak

00:35:17.860 and Park Chung-hee he's uh credited as like the person who industrialized South Korea and he was

00:35:25.400 an incredible man he really was I respect him a lot actually I like him a lot um maybe not for his

00:35:30.860 torture and his crackdown on political dissonance but the way that he led South Korea and his his

00:35:37.400 genius and his innovation and his charisma the way that he led the country was incredible uh but then

00:35:44.940 he ruled for 20 years and he really industrialized korea and brought korea to the modern age and then

00:35:51.320 he was assassinated by his intelligence chief right and there's another person who came in and

00:35:55.660 he was ousted and then there's finally a democratically elected president for the first

00:35:59.220 time in 1988 ish and then ever since then they're ousted they're impeached they were jailed for

00:36:05.760 corruption and there was never never like a stable president that just stayed for the whole term and

00:36:11.500 nothing happened to them even right now um right now the current administration under

00:36:15.160 is trying to go after the previous conservative president for insurrection and so they just

00:36:22.600 indicted him and they uh you know gave him life sentence in jail uh for staging a coup and

00:36:30.240 insurrection against south korean government when he was the government it's just so such 0.98

00:36:35.080 stupidity but there was never a stable form of government really truly since the foundation of 0.98

00:36:41.260 south korea uh and so when you look at that even the national assembly that they have which is 0.99

00:36:47.560 their congress uh they didn't have power until the late 1980s so it's actually very recent that

00:36:55.240 assemblymen actually come together and make laws and that those laws be something that affects

00:37:00.740 korean daily life yeah yeah so korea never had a stable democracy uh but i think this idea and

00:37:06.500 spread of democracy and this is where um again i don't hate america but where american entanglement

00:37:13.020 overseas and their foreign excursions in foreign countries in different countries um actually

00:37:20.060 destabilizes and which is why i i understand it korea hasn't been destabilized to the point

00:37:26.880 of the middle east for example right but when i see that there's a lot of people who hate america

00:37:31.980 in the middle east because we've never done anything in the middle east nothing nothing

00:37:36.580 uh but you know there's actually broadly speaking south korea is pro-america

00:37:41.200 but uh there is still a good amount of i guess there's a conversation slowly happening i think

00:37:49.540 in korea about american entanglement in the east and how yes if america didn't get involved

00:37:57.600 then all of korea probably would have been communist because of chinese like influence

00:38:01.740 because china was right there but at the same time um yeah and so there's a lot i mean yes

00:38:07.500 i'm thankful for america i'm thankful for america to a certain extent but

00:38:10.640 they spread democracy right and this idea of mass democracy is not fundamentally american

00:38:18.940 it's a modern american invention that's right but the founding fathers and the founding americans

00:38:23.320 didn't want mass democracy they hated it they hated nothing positive to say about a raw democracy

00:38:27.420 Yes. And there was nothing democratic, truly, about America's founding. All the people who

00:38:33.640 made the laws, who represented the people, yes, they were democratically elected by a very small

00:38:38.420 subset of the American population that had not only ties to the past, but also a vested interest

00:38:44.120 in the future. And yeah, like the president was not democratically elected. He was elected by a

00:38:51.140 slate of electors from each state. And it wasn't the people who voted for the electors, the electors.

00:38:55.680 And it's like all these things that, yes, there was the House of Representatives where, yes, people voted for their particular representatives to represent them in Congress, in the federal government.

00:39:08.500 But for the most part, most people did not vote in America at the founding.

00:39:14.640 And this is what people need to realize, that the foundations of America was not intrinsically pro-mass democracy.

00:39:21.060 actually the reason why they set it up as a constitutional republic

00:39:24.820 was because they saw the faults of mass democracy

00:39:27.940 they read the greek philosophers they saw the faults of mass democracy

00:39:31.820 and the failure of mass democracy in the past

00:39:33.880 but then because and you come to the modern era

00:39:37.760 and then there is this hubris among people that's like oh

00:39:41.480 yes i know everything so i should be able to every single person should be

00:39:46.080 able to excise and exercise political power

00:39:50.180 in the government and it's like well no if you don't even know our three branches of government

00:39:54.540 which a lot of people in america don't you have no business voting but people just can vote and

00:39:59.480 it's so easy and so when i look at that influence in south korea i do think that it is uh kind of

00:40:07.220 sad because it you know korea has not had a stable democracy it's a lie and yes korea is great

00:40:13.620 it's clean it's orderly but its political system has always been you know back and forth back and

00:40:19.940 forth very unstable for a very very long time um ever since its founding after the korean war even

00:40:24.700 post you know pre-korean war too so um i do want to kind of debunk that lie where i'm not saying

00:40:31.560 that people shouldn't have a voice i'm not saying that the political will of the people should not

00:40:36.420 be represented or manifest in their government but what i am saying is that if we give everyone

00:40:43.760 every single person who is living in your country political power to vote for the future of your

00:40:51.440 country uh things are going to get really ugly and chaotic very quickly because now it's subject

00:40:57.440 the future of your politics and your government your leaders are subject now to the whims of the

00:41:02.440 people right and to and that's a very very unsustainable way to govern your country yes

00:41:10.760 And it's a very, very unsustainable way to carry your heritage and your legacy into the future.

00:41:17.620 And so in Korea, it's a constant state of flux politically.

00:41:21.260 And I do not like it.

00:41:22.920 And I do think there needs to be more structure and stability.

00:41:26.760 And I do believe that also comes with kind of like what you talk about, get away from universal suffrage and also not being pro-mass democracy.

00:41:34.560 I'm not advocating for a dictator.

00:41:37.000 I'm not advocating for a totalitarian ruler and a tyrant.

00:41:39.720 but you know and i think that's what people always lose they say if it's not mass democracy

00:41:45.460 it's totalitarian tyranny it's like no no there is a bit of a middle where you can have a strong

00:41:51.600 ruler who is there for a while who loves his people and who does good by the people without

00:41:58.160 him being a tyrant and we've had good kings we've had good rulers we've had good presidents who've

00:42:02.980 been in office for a very long time in america uh and that's what i'm that's what i'm saying that

00:42:07.220 we can have right now yep i agree so what are the political issues that are pertinent like the most

00:42:12.940 relevant political conversations that are going on amongst koreans especially young koreans so

00:42:19.040 thanks to trump and charlie kirk people like charlie kirk uh conversations surrounding national

00:42:25.320 identity and immigration nationhood is starting to happen not to the level which i wish but it

00:42:32.020 is starting to happen but the main political divide right now at least it seems like in korea

00:42:36.660 really truly becomes uh pro-america anti-ccp and then anti-america pro-ccp uh and i i find that to

00:42:46.820 be interesting because there are so many domestic problems that are is crushing koreans right now

00:42:51.440 but i feel like a lot of the fundamental divide right versus left in korea comes down to foreign

00:42:58.220 policy which is interesting where i think for i think foreign policy is very important don't get 0.99

00:43:03.420 me wrong but the most pressing issue is the low birth rate right like koreans are literally

00:43:09.220 disappearing yeah and not only that it's the separation and the nomadic culture of korea now 0.79

00:43:16.940 where they leave their homelands no hometowns they leave the town of their parents and their

00:43:23.360 grandparents and their great-grandparents and they all want to just congregate into little

00:43:27.120 cubicles and blocks in the city uh so rootless right they just they want to become rootless

00:43:33.080 cosmopolitans within their own country right yes and it's it's horrifying it's a dystopia it's uh

00:43:39.920 oh this is actually this is the point i was trying to make yeah like it's the worst forms of

00:43:42.880 capitalism because the pursuit of capital and profit is the only thing that's that seems to

00:43:48.280 motivate so many koreans i'm not saying all for sure there's incredible great koreans that i love

00:43:52.740 and i cherish who love their country love god who are working as korean patriots to save their

00:43:56.920 country but the huge amount of koreans are just trying to make it and make more money for what 0.99

00:44:03.680 purpose i don't know better apartment better job better car for it's very very very shallow 0.98

00:44:09.120 and so this is what's happening and then on top of that they are being replaced not at the rate

00:44:15.960 of america but probably you know and this is what americans thought too oh it's not that bad let's

00:44:20.920 just let them come in no problem but then within 40 years america went from like 90 white to now

00:44:26.640 almost 50 percent white right right and then so korea is happening the same way where korea used

00:44:31.020 to be 99 yeah it was like 19 1910 1920 uh was 90 percent white yeah um so it's it's been about

00:44:37.820 100 years but even even as uh recent as before the heart seller act around 1958 to 1965 or so

00:44:47.620 um i believe it was still about 80 yeah it was large percent and that's how it starts though

00:44:53.720 It's slowly, it's slow introduction into not only importing mass amounts of immigrants, but also softening people to the idea, hey, we're all people.

00:45:07.000 We're all a blank slate.

00:45:09.200 We're all individuals.

00:45:10.740 So it doesn't matter where they come from.

00:45:12.100 As long as they come in here and they can assimilate, not understanding that a lot of people aren't compatible with Western and also Eastern civilization.

00:45:21.880 Some people won't assimilate.

00:45:23.720 And many people can't assimilate.

00:45:25.800 And then so when you go to areas like Itaewon,

00:45:28.120 so Itaewon is the area in Seoul

00:45:29.360 that is known as the foreigner district,

00:45:31.620 there's Arabic everywhere.

00:45:33.060 There's people in hijabs everywhere. 0.98

00:45:35.100 And Koreans are very, very apprehensive to Islam. 1.00

00:45:38.000 They don't like Islam. 1.00

00:45:39.160 And so why are we letting this in? 0.99

00:45:41.160 Oh, you know, religious freedom, tolerance, pluralism.

00:45:43.420 No, like there is an extent to our tolerance

00:45:45.960 for religious freedom where I believe that Christ is king.

00:45:49.020 And I believe that Korea belongs to the Lord.

00:45:51.300 But I am sympathetic towards the freely religious practices of Buddhists and Confucian people.

00:45:59.600 Not many exist anymore, but there are a good amount of Buddhists, but not Confucian, you know, practicers. 0.98

00:46:06.160 But you're saying that, like, that's idolatrous and it's wrong, but you would have more compassion for that than Islam because one is foreign. 0.99

00:46:12.620 Yes. 0.92

00:46:13.020 Whereas one was a part of your heritage, even though that particular part of your heritage is wrong. 0.99

00:46:18.540 Right.

00:46:18.720 And then Buddhism and Confucianism, they're not subversive, right?

00:46:23.580 And they're not like ideologies of conquest. 0.89

00:46:27.340 Islam is, and that's the problem, right?

00:46:30.060 Where Buddhism is about- 0.99

00:46:31.560 So is Christianity.

00:46:32.920 Yes, it is, but in a good way, because it is the pursuit.

00:46:36.960 Yes, it's true, and it's the pursuit of the eternal good.

00:46:39.340 That's right.

00:46:39.840 By connecting a broken people back to their God, right?

00:46:44.780 So there's that caveat.

00:46:46.400 god but yeah like buddhism and confucianism they're not subversive they're not ideologies

00:46:51.260 of conquest they purely stay to themselves and it's part of korea's rich heritage for thousands 0.50

00:46:57.600 of years totally cool islam no no heck no right judaism no right uh hinduism no because these 0.83

00:47:04.740 are subversive ideologies and then so there's also that conversation that needs to be had islam 0.71

00:47:09.260 is um is overt uh judaism is subvert yeah and so um but but both i would say islam judaism and

00:47:20.360 christianity are all um they they all seek to ultimately to dominate uh christianity i think

00:47:28.780 does it through virtue um islam through force and um and judaism through subversion i agree 0.92

00:47:38.220 i totally agree and so i think when you think about it then okay the low birth rates and

00:47:45.340 immigration into korea two biggest problems right and yes it might not be the immigration might not

00:47:51.460 be to the extent of the west for sure but it eventually it gets there it'll get there it'll

00:47:56.340 get there as people loosen their um they increase their acceptance for mass immigration and then

00:48:02.020 before they know it they're like wait i don't recognize my country and then i become i feel

00:48:06.440 like a foreigner in my own country tell me real quick what uh what accounts for the tick up in

00:48:12.320 the birth rate it's small yeah but it is up yeah so it was a recent finding that came out uh this

00:48:17.820 past week actually uh from this past year in 2025 where the birth rate went up a little bit

00:48:22.400 and i do think that it is because a lot of koreans are waking up to how well korea also has one of

00:48:31.100 the highest suicide rates in the world in the first world and so higher higher than japan yeah

00:48:37.040 i think so really yeah because japan's high japan's high but i think korea is higher per

00:48:41.460 capita and a lot of koreans are depressed and they're isolated and they are lonely and when

00:48:46.920 you think about the architecture i talked about this when i was in korea too uh apartments are

00:48:52.360 one of the most anti-human forms of architecture known to man it is impossible to form natural

00:48:59.740 communities, vibrant, sustainable communities with apartments. Korea has one of the largest

00:49:06.180 percentages of their population living in apartments. And whenever Koreans move out of 0.66

00:49:11.660 their home, well, most Koreans grow up in apartments. And then when they grow up and 1.00

00:49:15.600 they buy property, it's apartments. I had a house that my dad grew up in that was a very quaint

00:49:23.980 house. It was a lovely house. It wasn't like the nicest house, but it was a traditional Korean

00:49:28.040 house. And it was so nice. I have very fond memories of it growing up. And then a couple

00:49:33.000 years ago, they toppled it. They completely toppled it to build a huge apartment building

00:49:38.280 on top of it. And now everyone might say, oh, that's great. There's more housing units,

00:49:42.840 but what do you sacrifice? And there's a lot that you sacrifice where people were able to,

00:49:47.660 Koreans were able to form natural communities and be close naturally with their neighbors.

00:49:51.740 Now they don't even know who they'd live next to because apartments do not allow for

00:49:56.580 natural community building. And so because of that, Koreans are isolated. Koreans are lonely.

00:50:02.520 And the only form of community that they have is people in their workplace, right? But then that 1.00

00:50:07.460 can ebb and flow, right? You can get fired. You can move on. And so there is no sustainable

00:50:13.760 form of community that is rooting Koreans. And so I think this is a really big part in why 1.00

00:50:20.260 Koreans need to go back to the church. The next generation needs Christ because at least then 1.00

00:50:24.800 in your church community you have a solid community that will be there for you that that you can serve 1.00

00:50:30.420 and they will serve you and you can do life together but most Koreans don't have that and 1.00

00:50:36.640 so they're lonely they're depressed and so in that's in in that state of mind I think a lot 1.00

00:50:41.140 of them are saying okay wait but what's the end goal of my life right like am I just a kong in

00:50:45.300 the machine so I think a big part of it is that okay well I want to get married and have children

00:50:49.720 because what else is there to live for, really?

00:50:51.860 And so I think that is a slight part of it.

00:50:54.600 But I would have to do a little more digging

00:50:56.240 into exactly why.

00:50:58.860 But I do think it is just indicative

00:51:02.440 of a broader trend in the first world

00:51:04.160 to reject feminism, reject modernity,

00:51:06.640 the lies of modernity,

00:51:07.620 and say, actually, no,

00:51:08.700 I want to go back to my roots a bit more.

00:51:10.600 I think family is important.

00:51:12.240 And friends come and go.

00:51:14.400 My job comes and goes.

00:51:16.240 But what doesn't come and go is my family.

00:51:19.080 That's right.

00:51:19.480 And my family will always be there for me.

00:51:21.060 And I'll always try to be there for my family.

00:51:22.740 And that's what's constant.

00:51:24.060 So I do think there's a slight return to that.

00:51:26.880 And there is actually where,

00:51:28.800 and for most of South Korea's history,

00:51:30.260 people always wanted to congregate

00:51:31.540 and move into the cities.

00:51:33.360 Now that Seoul is so expensive to live in,

00:51:36.920 it's just really, really expensive to live in Seoul.

00:51:39.200 Now everyone's moving out of Seoul.

00:51:40.820 Not everyone, but there's a slow movement

00:51:42.120 of people out of Seoul

00:51:42.920 and into less congested areas

00:51:45.200 and in more open areas

00:51:47.080 where they're still developed.

00:51:49.480 but it's still, there's more breathing room, right?

00:51:51.720 Because places like Seoul, like it's so, so stuffy

00:51:54.200 with the amount of people and the culture.

00:51:57.060 And so I think that's also a part of that as well.

00:51:59.440 What would you like to see here at the end of the episode?

00:52:01.780 What would you like to see for Korea?

00:52:03.620 What's your hope, what's your prayer?

00:52:05.320 And then for you at a personal level,

00:52:07.740 what do you think is your part to play?

00:52:09.680 Do you have a part?

00:52:11.240 Are you just here in America now?

00:52:13.540 Do you think you would ever go back or from America?

00:52:15.800 Do you hope to speak back and have an influence or a voice 0.56

00:52:18.720 just kind of what do you see for kong men in your role and what is it that what's your ambition

00:52:24.860 and your goal for korea yeah so i've been praying a lot about this because we have so many commentators

00:52:30.820 we have so many influencers everyone's saying kind of the same thing in the right-wing space

00:52:34.940 in america and yes i'm unique in that i'm korean and there aren't many koreans in this space in

00:52:39.520 america but i don't know if there's much that i can i can say that hasn't been said already in

00:52:46.660 american politics but i have been praying about what what kind of influence can i have in korea

00:52:52.380 and if god is calling me to korea and so i've been praying about it and i really do think that

00:52:58.840 god is calling me there at least temporarily uh maybe momentarily but he has been growing my heart

00:53:05.300 for korea because as much as i try to reject it as much as i try to ignore it that's the home of

00:53:12.620 my ancestors that is where i come from for thousands of years i was in korea last month

00:53:17.880 and i visited the grave of the founder of my lee clan right and i was you know i was like praying

00:53:24.640 for him because i don't he wasn't christian right he was confucian but um you know praying for him

00:53:30.220 and i was talking to him a bit and yeah i was just thinking like wow like this is where i come from

00:53:36.940 and there is an inherent attachment to this land to the people and there is something inherent

00:53:47.060 about feeling like i belong among koreans now of course i was i grew up in america so that's

00:53:55.740 they would call me kyopo uh korean diaspora and so they still do view me because of my broken

00:54:01.220 korean it's not perfect i can speak korean but it's not perfect and they still view me as like

00:54:05.840 hey you're Korean but you're an outsider you grew up in America so you're a bit of a foreigner

00:54:10.440 but for all intents and purposes I go to Korea and the first thing that Koreans say to me is

00:54:16.160 you know they speak in Korean right uh if you were to go to Korea they'll start speaking oh hello

00:54:20.880 you know and start speaking English because you're not Korean right and so in that regard I understand 1.00

00:54:27.680 like that's where I come from and when I think about the legacy I want to leave behind for my 1.00

00:54:31.120 children uh who do i want to marry uh where do i want to raise my kids i'm thinking well i think

00:54:36.720 it's in korea i think so i don't know yet for sure and it might be hypocritical for me to say

00:54:42.060 that but it's because i yes i have my american citizenship but i didn't really know what my

00:54:46.500 citizenship entailed when i got it right now 10 years ago but now that i understand what heritage

00:54:52.880 means and what tradition how important tradition is how important how important leaving behind an

00:54:58.720 inheritance for your children and my children's children is i'm thinking okay well where's the

00:55:03.260 lord calling me is he calling me to assimilate fully into american culture and to leave behind

00:55:07.380 my korean heritage right because you have to i believe that that's one or the other yes yes and

00:55:12.760 so yeah you either don't have citizenship as you currently don't in south korea and you feel the

00:55:19.380 lord calling you to be here in which case it's not just assimilating in terms of the culture and

00:55:24.760 those kinds of things,

00:55:25.600 but there is a biological physical component.

00:55:28.300 I'll just speak plainly.

00:55:29.260 It would probably mean marrying an American white woman, 0.83

00:55:33.640 having half white children 0.80

00:55:35.020 so that your grandchildren would be 75%. 0.52

00:55:37.760 And by the third, fourth generation,

00:55:40.100 your descendants would be truly American. 0.92

00:55:42.060 It's either that, but that's a full rejection 0.99

00:55:44.560 of your heritage.

00:55:45.480 And that's actually what you see-

00:55:46.780 Or it's the opposite.

00:55:48.460 And you plant the flag in South Korea

00:55:52.700 And you can still be a friend of America

00:55:54.760 and have a fondness for our country.

00:55:57.100 And you know what I mean?

00:55:58.120 But it's kind of, you really do have to choose.

00:56:01.120 Yeah, so that's what I'm really praying through right now

00:56:03.060 because, yeah, and it's actually funny that you say that

00:56:07.120 because the number one demographic 0.99

00:56:08.900 that intermarries the most is Asian women.

00:56:13.280 Asian women in America 0.90

00:56:14.440 and they predominantly get married to white men.

00:56:17.320 But there is that rejection of their heritage

00:56:19.960 that they have.

00:56:20.740 and so but the thing with everybody brings up you know ruth in the bible or rahab but like

00:56:27.900 take ruth for example it's like she was proud of her moabite heritage and she she kept that you

00:56:33.620 know the rest of it no she said your god will be my god all right this is what she's saying to her

00:56:39.400 mother-in-law naomi and she's going back with her to israel your god will be my god and your people

00:56:44.500 will be my people and to adopt the one is to reject the other um by the time he gets to david

00:56:50.840 right who's the second king after saul in israel and arguably the best king there's a couple that

00:56:56.760 are you know josiah and others but david probably the best king in israel's history and a man after

00:57:02.220 god's own heart by the time uh it comes to david who's in the direct lineage of ruth you're looking

00:57:08.620 at four generations in.

00:57:09.800 So Ruth marries Boaz, right? 0.94

00:57:12.020 So she's a Moabitess. 0.99

00:57:13.100 She marries Boaz, who is an Israelite 1.00

00:57:15.640 and they beget Obed, Obed begets Jesse, 0.75

00:57:19.500 Jesse begets David.

00:57:20.680 And by the time you have David as a king in Israel, 0.61

00:57:22.980 he is an Israelite for all intents and purposes. 0.89

00:57:25.860 I'm doing the math off the top of my head,

00:57:27.680 but I think it would be like 87.5% Israelite,

00:57:31.200 you know, and only 12.5% Moab or even less.

00:57:34.280 And she didn't bring with her her traditions. 0.59

00:57:36.480 she certainly didn't bring her her religion she didn't smuggle into israel when she married boaz 0.52

00:57:42.640 you know set up a little shrine with her moabite gods or anything like she rejected her fathers

00:57:46.820 rejected her people rejected her gods rejected her traditions and truly assimilated in and i would

00:57:53.480 argue that um just for the record even with all that as honorable as that was uh ruth was that

00:57:59.520 did still did not make her an israelite but by the time it gets to her posterity right her great

00:58:05.480 grandson David than he is in Israel because she marries a Hebrew who marries a Hebrew. And they

00:58:12.600 have a son who marries a Hebrew and a son that marries a Hebrew and then David. And so that's

00:58:17.860 what assimilation looks like. It's not just customs. It's not just culture. It's not just

00:58:21.600 religion. Religion is certainly up there. It's language. It's loves. It's liturgy. It's laws,

00:58:27.560 but it's also land and lineage, land and lineage. A nation, nationhood can never be anything

00:58:35.360 or I'm sorry, a true nationhood is always more

00:58:39.620 than land and lineage, people in place,

00:58:41.820 blood and soil, dare I say.

00:58:43.720 It's always more than that.

00:58:45.020 It's laws, it's liturgy, it's loves, it's language.

00:58:49.700 It's always more than land and lineage,

00:58:51.940 but it's never less.

00:58:52.820 Never less, yeah.

00:58:53.440 It's never less.

00:58:54.100 And so true assimilation in biblical terms,

00:58:57.100 people always point that and say,

00:58:58.460 well, this person is like, immigration is a thing.

00:59:01.040 This person assimilated, that person.

00:59:02.660 Yeah, but how did they assimilate?

00:59:03.840 marriage yeah they always assimilated through marriage yes and historically too children and

00:59:09.740 then grandchildren and the grand like but this idea of like hey you know what um not just uh i

00:59:15.460 ruth the moabitess woman like no actually this whole sector of moab is going to come to israel

00:59:21.640 and only keep to ourselves and keep our language and keep our gods i'm going to set up little moab

00:59:26.780 inside of israel we're going to like what the heck yeah you know israel would be like oh okay 0.99

00:59:32.400 and we're also going to kill you. 1.00

00:59:34.060 Blessed be the name of the Lord. 1.00

00:59:35.400 No, we don't do that, but America does.

00:59:38.940 You know what I mean?

00:59:39.460 And you guys in South Korea 0.98

00:59:41.520 are starting to do that with Islam. 1.00

00:59:43.000 That's insane. 1.00

00:59:44.400 That's suicide.

00:59:45.340 That's not assimilation.

00:59:46.460 It's not assimilation.

00:59:47.260 And assimilation historically

00:59:48.380 has always happened through marriage. 0.61

00:59:50.000 Right.

00:59:50.220 And so it's the adoption of people

00:59:52.160 into your people and becoming your people.

00:59:55.400 Right. 0.98

00:59:56.200 And so the problem with mass immigration in America

00:59:59.420 has been that people form their own ethnic enclaves.

01:00:01.980 yes and the the natural impulse for all people is to marry their own and and so yes there are

01:00:08.260 interracial marriages that happen but typically people for the most part keep to their own right

01:00:13.000 and so that's how you form ethnic enclaves and people always say oh but there's always different

01:00:16.680 types of people in america sure any country you go to even within homogenous nations you're going

01:00:23.020 to have different kinds of people with different dialects and different like local customs but

01:00:29.040 But a person in Busan, a Korean in Busan and a Korean in Seoul, they're still Korean.

01:00:33.260 Where if you travel all the way to Busan from Seoul, yes, you're going to have a different dialect, but you can still communicate and you can still understand, hey, you're my person, you're my people.

01:00:41.600 And we, yeah, have our-

01:00:42.720 You're still distant relatives.

01:00:43.960 Yes.

01:00:44.420 Distant, but still relatives.

01:00:45.580 Yeah.

01:00:46.100 And so in that regard, I've been really thinking a lot about that where, well, I want to marry a Korean woman and I want my children to be Korean.

01:00:55.740 and I think that is not an evil

01:00:59.100 or terrible desire to have.

01:01:01.720 It's honorable.

01:01:02.380 Right, and I want my children to look like me.

01:01:04.640 I want my children to look like my wife.

01:01:06.560 Wait, you want your children to look like you?

01:01:09.400 I've been told that that's sinful.

01:01:11.080 Yeah, it's really-

01:01:12.960 I've been told that that's racist.

01:01:14.160 Yeah, it's-

01:01:14.560 How dare you?

01:01:15.080 Really, really annoying how so many people

01:01:17.860 make liberal dogma into gospel issues, right?

01:01:22.740 Correct.

01:01:22.940 And they take post like 2000, maybe 2000s really. 0.78

01:01:28.640 Like Galatians chapter three, neither Greek, you know, Jew nor Greek. 0.93

01:01:33.720 Right.

01:01:34.200 Like this is gospel.

01:01:35.860 It's like, correct.

01:01:37.040 Yes. 0.98

01:01:37.480 Neither Jew nor Greek, all one in Christ Jesus. 0.99

01:01:42.680 Yes.

01:01:43.180 Black people, Asians, Latinos, like yes, all of them are welcome through faith in Christ

01:01:50.620 to be a part of his church.

01:01:52.060 that verse is not saying that we have to marry all of them can we can we walk and chew gum at

01:01:59.640 the same time there are different categories so theological heavenly higher spiritual one

01:02:06.000 breaking down the walls of hostility okay family lineage ancestry like here's the deal everybody's

01:02:12.840 so excited about the book of revelation and that we would all be before the lamb the throne that

01:02:17.840 That the Lamb of God is seated upon

01:02:19.760 and that it would be every tribe and tongue and nation.

01:02:23.460 You don't have distinctions in heaven

01:02:25.680 if you erode all of them here on earth.

01:02:28.780 The only way you get diversity in heaven

01:02:31.440 is maintaining distinction here in the temporal realm.

01:02:36.360 And if everybody marries everybody,

01:02:38.620 then you lose that. 0.84

01:02:41.100 Is it a sin therefore, intermarriage?

01:02:43.580 No.

01:02:43.840 um but but the conversation is at scale yeah in the macro and that's why in the micro in

01:02:52.220 individual cases there is freedom in the lord to marry it's not a sin traditionally the christian

01:02:57.760 church and church history has never condemned uh interracial marriage as a sin um but what we're

01:03:04.900 dealing with in the west and maybe not as much in korea but certainly in america is we're not we're

01:03:10.240 not just dealing with isolated individual cases where someone has a freedom of conscience to marry

01:03:14.960 someone who is a different ethnicity. What we're dealing with is in the macro in terms of our

01:03:19.780 elites, sit down and watch television. How many commercials will you find where it's a white man

01:03:25.400 and a white woman, right? You'll find two dudes, two chicks, two blacks, two Latinos, maybe a black 0.54

01:03:32.520 and a white, Latino and a white, but you'll never find a white man and a white woman, very rarely. 0.66

01:03:37.920 Coincidentally, that's the only biological arrangement 0.95

01:03:40.600 that produces white babies. 1.00

01:03:42.940 Coincidence? 0.97

01:03:43.480 I think not.

01:03:44.340 At a certain level, you have to sit back

01:03:46.080 and call a spade a spade and say,

01:03:47.580 oh, wait, I see what's going on here. 1.00

01:03:49.480 You just hate white people. 0.99

01:03:52.020 And so, yeah, I'm gonna talk about it. 0.99

01:03:53.780 I'm gonna talk about it.

01:03:55.000 It's actually funny if you look at the stats 0.79

01:03:56.420 that white men and white women actually,

01:03:59.660 contrary to mass propaganda and things like that,

01:04:02.020 only 2% of them marry outside of their race.

01:04:07.220 And then so even despite all the propaganda.

01:04:09.060 But then think of the representation,

01:04:10.360 whether it be academia, politically,

01:04:13.740 or whether it be through Hollywood and entertainment.

01:04:16.100 So it's not about representation, right?

01:04:17.620 It's about subversion.

01:04:18.840 It's about subversion.

01:04:20.040 Exactly, they're pushing a certain narrative.

01:04:22.400 It's propaganda.

01:04:23.520 Because if it was really just capitalistic,

01:04:26.660 like meeting the market, where they're at

01:04:29.360 and trying to make a buck.

01:04:31.260 Like if it was really about representation

01:04:32.980 and market satisfaction and those kinds of things,

01:04:36.980 you would like there would be approximately 59 of the commercials and television shows and

01:04:43.060 characters and movies and all that kind of stuff would be a white family with a white husband and

01:04:47.940 white wife but it's not about that they're they're actually pushing propaganda out of hate now that

01:04:53.260 doesn't mean that at the local micro level that some couple in my church that's in an interracial

01:04:59.880 marriage that they actually hate their heritage or hate white but that doesn't mean that at all

01:05:04.320 but it might mean not not by necessity it doesn't guarantee it but it might mean that part of the

01:05:11.060 reason they went that particular direction was because they were influenced at a macro level

01:05:16.200 and so yeah that's something that should be talked about so my point is like what i said earlier if

01:05:21.540 you assimilate i think true assimilation um by necessity includes marriage yeah it would mean you

01:05:28.460 marrying if you're going to assimilate in america looking at the heritage of america

01:05:33.000 looking at the current majority of america it would mean you marrying a christian white woman

01:05:37.340 and if it's now but i really feel like my heritage my home is something i want to preserve

01:05:41.960 then it means marrying a korean woman it actually marriage is a part of the conversation yeah it is

01:05:48.180 and i think it's not a non-sensible and irrational thing to ask that foreigners who come into your

01:05:57.520 country they would assimilate right and a means by assimilating is what would be through marriage

01:06:03.260 uh but you know for me as a korean uh korean immigrant my natural impulse is that i do want

01:06:10.180 to marry korean right so and that's just me being honest yeah and so when i think about that then

01:06:15.240 it's like even even now like i love my korean family i love my korean diaspora brothers and

01:06:20.840 sisters in america and so in that regard like i just still like it's inevitable i have an attachment

01:06:27.180 and to my people and people are like oh yeah but america's your people yeah sure but because there

01:06:32.360 are a good amount of koreans in uh america like i just naturally gravitate towards them and i have

01:06:37.260 my whole life and i don't think that's inherently sinister or evil or wrong but then you have to

01:06:42.200 have a conversation then like okay then it's assimilation happening and i'd argue no even 0.51

01:06:47.360 among koreans and i'm i'm the first to be honest about that and then so for americans then like do

01:06:52.460 you want that in your country and then there are americans who say like with the proposition

01:06:56.640 nation oh yeah just as long as you agree to the propositions but i don't think that would really

01:07:00.860 fly in any other country and then people say oh america's different because it was multi-racial

01:07:06.200 at the start okay fine but it was multi-racial and it should it should remain that demographic

01:07:11.760 specifically wasps right white anglo-saxon protestants and a minority west africans right 0.79

01:07:18.080 that's it it should be that and people say oh you're so focused on there's no american ethnicity

01:07:23.860 no there was an ethnogenesis of america of these people teddy roosevelt talked about this exactly

01:07:29.400 by you know 1920 or so um you had an american ethnicity you really you had you know for lack

01:07:37.340 of a better term there was such a thing as an american breed um and you know and he argued that

01:07:43.920 it was because yes you had different ethnicities european ethnicities the white i should speak to

01:07:50.060 the white American. Um, there was a breed, uh, you had, you know, Germanics and, you know,

01:07:56.500 Anglos and, you know, some Celts and, um, and all of them came, but there was, they synthesized

01:08:02.980 over the course of about 200 years or so. Um, but, but what it was, was there, it was like

01:08:09.520 America was kind of like, uh, taking different metals that are distinct, but closely related,

01:08:14.880 putting them into a furnace applying heat right there was because there was work to be done there

01:08:20.360 were challenges there were uh difficulties that that had to be um that had to be um faced and and

01:08:29.440 by providence um these distinct groups but cousins distantly related from europe melded into one new

01:08:38.840 people through adversity yeah through difficulty we no longer have that now people are not coming

01:08:43.800 here um in order to meet the challenges of some adversity and overcome and and be forged and

01:08:49.660 unified um as they walk through that instead people are coming here for a handout because

01:08:54.720 the adversity has already been conquered it's already been accomplished and uh and instead of

01:08:59.800 you know five six or ten different distinct peoples but somewhat closely related different

01:09:05.240 european sects well now it's like haitian and somalian and so it'd be like it'd be like

01:09:11.400 being a blacksmith and instead of making your sword out of like five or six different metals

01:09:17.960 and putting it in a furnace for a long time time and heat adversity providence now it's like well

01:09:24.880 we're going to take some iron but also some mud and some hay and also some dung and something i'll

01:09:30.740 let you guess which country that is like and we're going to put that into a furnace but with no fire

01:09:36.420 no heat and we'll also only put it in there for five minutes and take it out and what have we made 0.88

01:09:40.820 nothing garbage that's what you've made and so assimilation is real um but it takes time it takes

01:09:49.280 um uh different materials the peoples that are distinct but already from the get-go somewhat

01:09:55.960 closely related uh it takes providence some kind of adversity that has to be overcome over the

01:10:01.360 course of a century or two and those are no longer the conditions of america but um but at the time

01:10:09.060 Teddy Roosevelt was right. He said that the conditions, the adversity, the providence,

01:10:14.380 the time, and the closely related materials, different Europeans, forged one new ethnicity.

01:10:21.220 And I do believe that early 1900s, you could look to white Americans and say,

01:10:27.460 you are an ethnicity. You are American. And you could tell by the way that we spoke,

01:10:34.420 right if we went and visited europe you know like a hard r you know like a hard r you say you say um

01:10:41.940 you know uh words like um like uh crown you know or um whatever it might be uh you know whereas

01:10:51.380 like the english with like it was a a silent r they would like skip the r yeah like am i you know

01:10:57.160 uh i't you know instead of right you know and um and then you know the american kind of you know

01:11:03.280 almost arrogant posture you know leaning against a building as though he's holding it up

01:11:08.740 more of a loud commanding voice the eye contact a dominance the firm handshake like there was a

01:11:17.320 uniqueness of the american man he was his own breed and he stood distinct from uh even those

01:11:25.640 that he ultimately descended from if he was to go back and visit england or go back and visit you

01:11:30.620 know germany or whatever it is um so i i would say that america really did develop in ethnicity

01:11:37.160 truly in the true sense of the term and then it was immediately lost yeah and i think it's hard

01:11:43.000 because america is such a young country yeah so i get it i get why there's a lot of people who are

01:11:50.040 uh sympathetic towards the idea that america has no ethnicity and america is not a people

01:11:54.460 it's just an idea it's just a place but i think that you cannot detach the american people from

01:12:01.240 america and you know people always talk about this that libya has the same constitution as

01:12:06.840 america but clearly they're not america working out right and so it's not just the values but

01:12:11.320 it's the people and from my perspective too people always say like oh you're such a sellout

01:12:17.240 oh you're just trying to you know pander to the white man and it's not necessarily true well i

01:12:22.240 I don't know.

01:12:22.660 I don't know what that even means at this point

01:12:24.380 because they say that about everyone

01:12:25.640 who isn't super hard left.

01:12:27.900 But when I think about Korea

01:12:29.080 and I go back to Korea, 1.00

01:12:30.800 well, I want to see Koreans. 1.00

01:12:31.940 But when I go back and I see Indians, 1.00

01:12:33.920 I see vast swaths amounts of Africans

01:12:37.240 and even whites.

01:12:38.940 God bless you. 0.99

01:12:39.820 But I don't want to see a large population 1.00

01:12:42.600 of white people in Korea. 1.00

01:12:44.580 And it's because I want Korea is for Koreans. 0.90

01:12:47.620 And so when I think about that perspective, 0.99

01:12:49.080 I understand.

01:12:50.000 I understand the Western plight. 1.00

01:12:52.240 of americans and british and french and the germans all being replaced by foreigners and 0.96

01:13:00.340 and so if for me who loves the west i love the west has a rich deep christian history right and

01:13:06.720 it is christianity that brought so much of the west to what it is but it is it is also the people

01:13:12.120 right um that yes i i want to preserve that right i don't want to go around and i want to i don't

01:13:20.420 want to go to certain parts of america and feel like i'm in a foreign country like i want to feel

01:13:26.220 like it's in america and i think that's a good thing actually to preserve for your people and

01:13:31.920 for your posterity yep so all that being said the future for me i'm not sure exactly what lies but

01:13:38.140 i do know that i have a big heart for korea and i also do have a heart for the korean and by

01:13:43.220 extension east asian diaspora because i think a lot of them are so lost and a lot of them are being

01:13:48.300 so brainwashed about with left-wing ideology and lies about how america is this melting pot

01:13:54.940 and you can make america whatever you want it to be and that's just simply not true and if you're

01:14:01.460 going to be someone who assimilates into the west then you should be someone who respects the custom

01:14:06.700 loves the history and is primarily loyal to this country and if you're not then yes uh you have no

01:14:13.100 business being here and i would say that about any eastern country say that any western country

01:14:17.100 I want every country to remain its own distinct country.

01:14:21.560 Unironically, I like diversity, 1.00

01:14:23.560 but I do believe that Korea is for Koreans, 0.97

01:14:26.140 America is for Americans, period.

01:14:27.920 There's nothing hateful about that.

01:14:29.320 And actually, that actually leads

01:14:30.580 to the flourishing of society.

01:14:32.800 Yep, well said.

01:14:34.220 Kongman, thanks for coming on the show.

01:14:35.580 I appreciate it.

01:14:36.360 Thanks for having me.

01:14:47.100 We'll be right back.

The NXR Podcast - May 27, 2026

THE SPECIAL - Why Korean Men Are Rejecting Feminism (w⧸Kangmin Lee)

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