The NXR Podcast - THEOLOGY APPLIED - Biblical Patriarchy： How Complementarianism Falls Short Of Scripture

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00:02:37.040 This is Pastor Joel Webman with Right Response Ministries.

00:02:43.960 We're coming at you with another episode of Theology Applied.

00:02:47.560 Today, I'm privileged and honored to have as our guest.

00:02:50.820 We've got a non-tenant, and we have Michael Foster.

00:02:54.080 They are co-hosts of a podcast called It's Good to Be a Man.

00:02:57.840 I have been a listener to that podcast for a while now.

00:03:00.520 Now I've been blessed by their ministry and the ways that they directly address men in

00:03:06.920 the church and really even just in culture in general from the Word of God today.

00:03:11.580 So I'm blessed to have you guys.

00:03:12.660 Could you take a moment and just introduce yourselves to our listeners?

00:03:15.220 I will go first because I was mentioned first.

00:03:17.080 I am non-tenant.

00:03:18.000 I live in New Zealand.

00:03:19.440 I am a reformed Christian and I do web design and copywriting for a living.

00:03:26.040 So that's where my expertise lies.

00:03:27.420 That's how I primarily contribute to our ministry is through writing and designing stuff, the

00:03:32.120 website and so on.

00:03:33.340 It's funny to hear you describe us as a podcast because it's always interesting hearing how

00:03:36.700 people think of us. Like I don't think of us as a podcast. I think of a, the podcast is one thing

00:03:40.880 that we do and it's actually kind of a minor thing in some ways. What we're working on really

00:03:45.320 hard at the moment is actually a book. So that's, that's where I see all of our efforts at the

00:03:49.680 moment. Go Michael. Sure. I'm Michael Foster. I am a pastor. I live here in Cincinnati, Ohio.

00:03:58.800 I'm prepping to move where my church is, which is in Batavia, Ohio, which is about 30 minutes

00:04:04.480 from where i'm currently at just outside of cincinnati cool and i tweet and talk and speak and

00:04:14.540 write with none so and we both have lovely wives and children best anyone forget that's right

00:04:21.460 praise god for that your ministry in general so apparently you guys do more than just a podcast

00:04:27.240 which i assumed you did because i hear you talk about it on the podcast but that's been my main

00:04:31.360 exposure to your ministry and to your teaching, which I've appreciated. So could you tell us just

00:04:36.940 about the podcast or your ministry in general, or a little bit about the book and really what's the

00:04:41.640 big idea, what's the big mission, the big purpose behind your ministry to men? Sure. So I

00:04:50.080 started with this idea that we needed a podcast that was reaching groups of men that seemed like

00:05:00.040 the church, uh, they were falling through the cracks of the church or they were being neglected

00:05:04.400 or their issues weren't being, uh, spoken to. And that came through just a lot of study on my own,

00:05:12.480 uh, just trying to be helpful as an, as a pastor in a church. And a lot of the questions that were

00:05:17.560 coming my way weren't questions that I even really dealt with. Uh, I I'm 40 years old,

00:05:22.760 you know, so I, I grew up right before the internet took over. Right. So I experienced

00:05:29.380 Some of it are in high school, but not in any way that most millennials did.

00:05:34.480 I'm a really old millennial or really young Gen X, whatever you want to call it.

00:05:38.200 So as those questions were coming up, I went to YouTube and looked where these young men

00:05:43.460 were going besides the church because they weren't finding answers in the church.

00:05:47.060 And to be frank, I wasn't able to give them a lot of good answers at times.

00:05:50.600 So I discovered Jordan Peterson and the Red Pill movement, which is Red Pill is just a

00:05:57.260 metaphor that comes from the movie the matrix it's having your eyes open so it's having your

00:06:02.320 eyes open to the real nature of sexuality and that's a movement uh largely uh dominated by

00:06:08.600 pagan uh men who apply uh evolutionary psychology to intersexual relationships but with a lot of

00:06:18.180 times what they're identifying is really this god's design for the world right the the way

00:06:23.200 creation works. And so there's some truth there. Plus, they don't deny the goodness of the human

00:06:27.820 body. They actually probably go the opposite direction, where in a lot of churches, it tends

00:06:34.300 towards a Gnostic take on things. So as I started to play around with the idea, seriously, like

00:06:42.320 within several weeks, I realized Nan, who we had been, you know, online friends and read and

00:06:49.040 interacted here and there. I somehow figured out that non, I don't even remember how, was reading

00:06:54.120 and thinking through a lot of the same things, which if you were to talk about that, about those

00:06:58.640 books and topics and blog posts and polite, you know, mixed company, people would really raise

00:07:03.520 their eyebrows. So I was, didn't really know who to work through these issues with. And so I was

00:07:08.680 blessed to find non. And we started on a project to create a practical theology for men. And it 1.00

00:07:15.620 turned into a podcast and a website and that's kind of my side to it I don't know what do you

00:07:22.140 want to add non well I came at it my story is my perspective is quite different to Michael's I came

00:07:28.120 at it from a study perspective I stumbled onto red pill in the process of studying the relationship

00:07:35.100 between kingdom theology and well a number of things were going on in my head that made me

00:07:41.720 think you know how does how did gender roles fit into everything that i'm currently doing in

00:07:45.580 theology which was mostly unrelated to gender roles and stumbled onto the l rock and uh rational

00:07:53.560 mail and spent a lot of time reading those and then went through a cage stage from which i would

00:07:57.460 say michael rescued me but it's nice that he sees things in such a rosy light and we started he

00:08:03.440 started it's good to be a man and i kind of joined him is how i see it but what particularly attracted

00:08:08.360 me to it was the desire to have a positive doctrine of manhood what is it that men are

00:08:14.260 supposed to do because so much of the red pill like one of the things that really bothered me

00:08:17.740 even in my cage stage i was like i know that these things are wrong and i want everyone to

00:08:20.660 know about them and ranting and raving about everything that's wrong with the world and not

00:08:25.540 having any actual answers or solutions except to just kind of yell at men that they need to do

00:08:29.920 better you know that's not helpful so the idea of having a practical doctrine of masculinity that we

00:08:36.060 could actually flesh out what does it mean to be a man and what are the key principles that

00:08:40.080 scripture talks about and the virtues and the duties and all that kind of thing that was very

00:08:43.900 helpful to me and i believe it's been very helpful to lots of other men as well yeah yeah i'm one of

00:08:49.880 them cool um well uh one word that people are bothered by of course uh especially in our culture

00:08:56.440 today and sadly in the church as well is the word patriarchy and so you guys use that word a lot and

00:09:02.160 So I wanted to give you an opportunity to define biblical patriarchy and perhaps flesh out maybe some of the distinctions between patriarchy and what often we would refer to as complementarianism that we find in the average evangelical church today.

00:09:18.960 What would you see as being the primary differences between what the Bible describes and what you might find in your average Calvinistic complementarian evangelical church today?

00:09:29.320 do we use the word patriarchy a lot michael i don't think we use the patriarchy word patriarchy

00:09:35.340 that much i think we're associated with people that use it a lot i think i i i've i've done some

00:09:39.760 uh some speeches or lectures and i use the word a bunch that might be yeah i mean what it means is

00:09:47.860 uh it means father rule right right and so what we mean by it is that god so uh when we use the

00:09:56.000 word cosmos we're talking about the structure of existence right so it's not just the Carl Sagan

00:10:02.880 cosmos where it's like you know the orc cloud and rings around Saturn but it's the the whole way

00:10:09.560 everything is made and God has built the cosmos in such a way that men are um are rulers so and

00:10:19.260 so that's called patriarchy so men are the rulers in the home and they're the rulers in the church

00:10:24.480 But they're also the rulers of society because society is a collection of households, right?

00:10:29.680 So it would make no sense to have men be the heads of their household and not be the heads of society.

00:10:37.160 The problem with patriarchy is that there are virtuous manifestations of it and wicked manifestations of it.

00:10:47.520 And the easiest example of that would be the devil is called a father, right? 0.68

00:10:52.900 Jesus says, you're, you're, uh, your sons of the devil. Right. So that's clearly patriarchy can be 0.69

00:10:58.540 evil. Um, just like heterosexuality is natural. Um, but it can also have evil manifestations.

00:11:06.200 So it is with patriarchy. Right. Um, so a lot of people get, uh, triggered by it because they first

00:11:12.200 want to say sexuality or, or the sexual nature that God's given us masculinity is evil. Those

00:11:17.260 people are wrong. Those people are being evil. Okay. Uh, but then some people that are trying

00:11:21.340 to compensate for that make a mistake where they act like uh all forms of patriarchy are somehow

00:11:26.800 good or unquestioned you know which is just silly uh clearly they're not so uh that that's what

00:11:32.740 patriarchy is i think non can explain to you the difference between patriarchy and complementarian

00:11:38.120 at least broadly speaking yeah well the reason that i asked about how often we use the word

00:11:43.620 patriarchy is because we don't actually try to shy away from it but we do recognize that it triggers

00:11:48.260 a lot of people and to receive a wide audience we tend to speak rather of gendered piety we see

00:11:54.600 patriarchy is very much the idea that men represent god's rule which is not really all there is to

00:12:01.940 being a man or to being a woman for that matter so we're quite concerned not just to affirm that

00:12:07.440 men represent god's rule which is true but also to say what are the other aspects of being a man

00:12:12.040 what are the duties of being a man what do men have to do what do women have to do so we call

00:12:15.800 that gendered piety but in terms of the distinction between that and what complementarianism teaches

00:12:20.900 it fundamentally comes down to whether or not there is actually a purpose to the design for

00:12:27.900 the sexes so complementarians are eager to affirm things like men need to be pastors you can't have

00:12:35.320 female pastors depending on how soft they are they get pretty close to that line they'll have 0.80

00:12:40.680 women acting in pastoral ways without technically having the name but they want to say that men 0.99

00:12:46.140 should be heads of the church and heads of the family but they don't want to say that men should 0.55

00:12:49.320 be heads of the society because that's obviously terrible and that would exclude women from being

00:12:54.640 presidents they also don't want to say things like women shouldn't vote and they don't want to say 0.80

00:12:58.420 things like women shouldn't be police officers or work in the military and the reason for that is

00:13:04.640 that they don't actually have an ordering principle around which gender duties are designed they don't 0.90

00:13:09.000 have some kind of fundamental baseline that says the reason that men exist is for this and the

00:13:14.180 reason that women exist is for this they just have isolated verses they've taken from scripture

00:13:18.800 and they can say they can see clearly the scripture says this so you have to believe this

00:13:23.260 but it's almost like it's just an arbitrary command that god gave there's no particular

00:13:27.160 reason he said that women can't be pastors it's just that he said that um it's not it's not rooted

00:13:32.280 in their nature you know so it's a question of what is the nature of man and the nature of woman

00:13:36.120 And complementarianism, I think, because it has lost, it started as a response to feminism, and it was always highly conditioned by feminism. It's kind of a shame theology.

00:13:52.120 It's a theology that is ashamed of scripture and tries to retrieve as much of scripture as is impossible to deny exegetically, while eliminating all of the other things that could be called shame by the culture, such as the idea that women actually have different natures to men. 0.57

00:14:10.860 Right. And that's the history of complementarianism, which is helpful to understand is that that Wayne Grudem and the guys that are working on it during the Evangelical Theological Society and the creation of the Danvers Statement was working towards a coalition, working towards a compromise consensus statement.

00:14:29.240 And so the idea was to try to pull people together and then work towards greater reform on the topic. And that's why some complementarians, we would not really differ from them in our understanding of sexuality, where other complementarians like are really, they treat sexuality based on roles as opposed to nature, right?

00:14:52.220 And that's why I will say that complementarianism, modern, the broadly accepted stuff that you see at this moment on like a Gospel Coalition website or preached by like Matt Chandler or kind of these well-known evangelicals, it presupposes a sort of androgyny where more or less men and women are human, right?

00:15:14.740 they're just humans and and the roles are interchangeable right so androgyny has kind of

00:15:23.020 two understandings one is there's a mixing of the sexes right so you think of like david bowie back

00:15:30.620 in the 80s he was kind of pushing that idea where is it a guy is it a girl you know michael jackson

00:15:36.680 yeah yeah michael jackson a lot of a lot of those pop stars especially in the 70s and 80s were doing

00:15:42.340 that but the other aspect of it is just simply to say that maleness and femaleness is somehow

00:15:49.760 interchangeable between the sexes which is really a logical insanity so and that's and that's what

00:15:57.960 we're trying to push back and say like look if there's a female nature and there's a male nature

00:16:02.620 that nature extends to all of life and you got to work it out and that's why complementarianism

00:16:07.620 was doomed it was doomed the moment they didn't root it in nature not because those guys all were

00:16:13.300 bad people they didn't have um good intentions they weren't working towards things like many

00:16:19.400 of them were when i listened to a lot of the things that john piper says i think he's one of

00:16:25.260 the better complementarians now as he gets old he should probably maybe stop talking but um right

00:16:30.920 but uh right so that's where we fall at least about politics uh john piper god bless him forever

00:16:37.260 But with politics, he needs to just go ahead and sit a play out or two.

00:16:41.080 He's shown a good way to be a pastor, but maybe stay in your lane.

00:16:46.760 Yeah. No, that's super helpful, guys.

00:16:49.860 Everything you're saying is encouraging because I've been listening to your podcast and reading other guys.

00:16:54.680 And I preached through Genesis about a year and a half ago at my church in San Diego.

00:17:00.800 I'm now in Texas.

00:17:02.340 But when I was pastoring there in San Diego, we preached through Genesis.

00:17:05.320 And I remember when I was in chapter one, chapter two, my big, you know, preacher line was that it's not male and female roles, he assigned them, but male and female natures, he designed them.

00:17:18.220 It rhymes, it had to be true.

00:17:20.380 And so, but anyways, but just helping people see that, you know, it's not just that, you know, God calls birds to fly and calls fish to swim.

00:17:28.240 Well, he also gives fish gills and fens, and he gives birds wings and a hollow bone structure.

00:17:33.880 it's not just that hey they're exactly the same and they just have two different roles it's no

00:17:38.320 they're ontologically two distinct creatures designed for their roles and they're and they're

00:17:44.640 differently designed for those different roles and i think male and female you guys are absolutely

00:17:49.600 right it's really become like just this uh duty and role on the surface that's interchangeable

00:17:54.820 um and uh and it's it's like um i don't know it's almost like a ice cream you know like you have a

00:18:01.140 like a chocolate shell around the vanilla ice cream. And, and one is, you know,

00:18:05.280 it's a dark chocolate and another one's like, maybe it's a strawberry, you know,

00:18:09.060 but, but on the center, it's both just that creamy vanilla goodness, you know?

00:18:13.020 And, and we think of men and women in those terms, like it's,

00:18:15.520 it's just on the surface and it doesn't go all the way down.

00:18:18.660 It relates back to what Michael mentioned about the Gnosticism that we have in

00:18:22.780 evangelicalism, where the body is downplayed.

00:18:25.540 And there's a kind of general consensus that everyone has that really we're all

00:18:30.360 kind of androgynous spirits and the bodies are just incidental god happens to give us a male or

00:18:35.300 a female body but deep down inside the soul the spirit is androgynous and when we die we won't

00:18:41.040 really be male or female that's like that's not necessarily how they think about it but that's

00:18:45.580 kind of how it works out if you actually take it to its logical extreme yeah i used to i used to

00:18:50.340 think that i mean you're describing the view that i i mean i can't remember how long ago it was but

00:18:54.840 there was a time where i thought and part of the reason was because you know it's good to be a man

00:18:58.300 well, it's also good to be a woman, if you're a woman, a biological woman. And, and part of me

00:19:03.660 just didn't think it was good to be a woman. And so I literally thought, like, you know, if you're

00:19:07.760 a Christian, faithfully serving Jesus, then you'll be rewarded as a Christian woman at the end of

00:19:12.480 your life, that you'll no longer have to be a woman, you know, that men and women, you know,

00:19:15.980 just gender will cease to exist. And, you know, and I still thought, you know, I knew we would

00:19:19.640 have a physical body, because I believe in a bodily resurrection. But I remember thinking,

00:19:23.840 like we'll have a physical body but gender won't be a part of it on that note just a kind of a

00:19:28.820 side question for you guys um until the resurrection a day of a resurrection to be absent from the

00:19:35.120 bodies to be present with the lord uh so i know that that both of you as orthodox believers believe

00:19:40.380 that you know if if we died tonight you know that we would be with the lord jesus um but there's a

00:19:46.360 physical bodily resurrection that we're awaiting uh so what about that intermediate um period i

00:19:52.040 have some thoughts but i'm curious what what what do you see is that intermediate period where we're

00:19:56.260 present with the lord but we're awaiting this bodily resurrection what what is that like

00:20:00.880 and how does gender work into that what weird thoughts do you have on that what trouble will

00:20:07.460 you get us into it's so interesting that you ask that question i don't have much in the way of

00:20:13.120 thoughts i i don't have um a very strongly held opinion on what kind of dualism is correct so i

00:20:22.000 can't give you any ideas there but i do think that you will still be a male when you are in

00:20:27.460 the spirit with the lord you will have a male spirit that will be in some way identifiable as

00:20:32.040 a male spirit in the spirit realm you'll be able to tell men from women and you'll be able to tell

00:20:36.740 angels from humans i like that that's great you i guess what i would say is that the intermediate

00:20:43.160 state is is not a denial of your human nature right whatever it is like we will be reunited

00:20:51.700 to our body so we'll be fully glorified in the sense that the the fullness of resurrection

00:20:56.900 has been consummated right but um my spirit isn't like i to be human is to be spirit

00:21:07.020 and body it's a spirit body composite right and so i'm not something other i'm just without my

00:21:14.120 body and the fact that that existence can happen is very strange right yeah but the reality is is

00:21:21.680 that heaven is not going to be a rejection to the goodness of God's design or the intermediate

00:21:27.640 it's not whatever it is and uh in sexuality binary sexuality is part of the goodness of

00:21:33.640 God's design and this is the idea of an androgynous spirit world is rooted in Greek mythology um and

00:21:40.900 and and pagan paganism which is almost always androgynous right right um and so if someone

00:21:49.160 hold to that and we've we hear that in some of our critics they even claim to be complementarian

00:21:53.580 especially the female ones um that there is a real sense i think that they believe

00:22:01.280 in the afterlife that we're just going to be androgynous spirits and that that is actually

00:22:08.260 on the verge of rank heresy right it's like that's uh because it attacks the nature of man 0.65

00:22:14.560 but more importantly, the nature, as you said, the beginning of this segment of Jesus, right?

00:22:21.140 That's right. Yep. So for me, because of that, I tend to think, and I don't know, I don't have a

00:22:30.300 lot of strong biblical support, but I just tend to think that because I'm not Gnostic, I just can't

00:22:36.460 even comprehend the existence of a human being apart from the body. It's just that body-spirit

00:22:42.920 connection um is just so strong so i i tend to think that uh that we will have a physical body

00:22:48.500 it just won't be the one here from earth this one will be waiting in a tomb like a loader still 0.99

00:22:53.120 have a fleshly male body for the three of us and and women will have spirit and a female body just 0.99

00:22:59.780 a intermediate so not just an intermediate state where you're solely spirit but an intermediate

00:23:05.320 state with an intermediate fleshly body because there is no human existence apart from spirit and

00:23:10.280 body and then you'll be reunited with a better body namely your previous body but now glorified

00:23:15.340 i don't know if that holds up theologically but that's that's kind of where i'm at so

00:23:19.120 well i'm not sure it holds up theologically either but i would i would say that i i can

00:23:25.620 meet you halfway i think that we will seem to have bodies we god will accommodate our fleshly

00:23:31.300 nature in the spiritual world by making it by um essentially i i see the spirit world as kind of

00:23:38.640 a shared dream and in a dream you still have a body even though it's not your you know it's not

00:23:43.500 really your body because it's a dream okay even the nature of the angelic is weird because they're

00:23:49.020 non-corporeal non-corporeal entities that can interact with the physical realm right and so

00:23:55.960 a lot of our problems is it comes from how we conceive of spirit a lot of times like so many

00:24:02.460 of our theological issues is that what we have to realize is how much we've absorbed from non-christian

00:24:09.000 sources right and even cartoons and stuff and movies or whatever but the spirit is like um

00:24:15.980 it's like a white shadow that you can put your hand through like these are how people imagine

00:24:20.600 or you know like and is that even correct well we know that um that god is a spirit he doesn't

00:24:27.420 have a body um at all and yet he can interact with the physical realm so how this all uh shakes

00:24:34.380 out will be an interesting experience you know cool well let me bring you guys back to something

00:24:41.280 you said earlier because i know some of our listeners are going to be like whoa non non said

00:24:45.340 that very non said it in a non-chalant manner but did he say women shouldn't vote so so let me let

00:24:52.540 me bring us back there real quick and and let me kind of frame it for a moment real quick so

00:24:57.200 and people are going to want to know so um so for me because i i agree with you guys and uh and and

00:25:06.100 it's the same kind of thing it's not just male and female roles he assigned them but male and

00:25:09.580 female natures he designed them and i love what you said michael just because it's so basic and

00:25:14.100 so logical i think it's easier for people to to you know um to grab on to but this idea that if

00:25:19.220 if husband is head of head of wife and and and society is made up of of households and families

00:25:28.440 then i mean you just do the basic logic math and uh and you wind up with men being not just heads

00:25:33.740 of households but heads of society and and we i think all three of us would agree that there's

00:25:38.320 you know three primary spheres i like schaefer and i like his seven mountains and media you know

00:25:42.760 and the marketplace and stuff but three primary divine divinely instituted spheres of human society

00:25:48.120 the home, the church, and the state. And a lot of the complementarian guys, it seems like they're

00:25:53.100 always addressing the home and the church and the home and the church and the home and the church.

00:25:57.380 But I completely agree with you guys. I think that with the state, certainly military and combat,

00:26:04.540 I think, should be men because the husband lays down his life for his wife. But we know it's

00:26:10.160 beyond that, right? So I think that's part of the problem is that men have zero authority

00:26:13.540 outside of just a husband with his wife, but what's chivalry then? Chivalry is that even that

00:26:19.480 woman that I'm not married to, if we're on the Titanic and it's going down, women and children

00:26:23.100 first, that I have this male obligation that's beyond merely my household, that there's a

00:26:29.500 priority to my household, but there's just something about being a man, even with a woman 0.96

00:26:34.240 that I'm not wed to, that my life is expendable, that men can be replaced and that I should die

00:26:42.600 for her as christ dies uh for the church and so even you know with military and combat but even

00:26:48.280 with you know the president united states and things like that i i completely agree i think

00:26:52.340 that that's commander in chief is is very clearly a male headship leadership role but in terms of

00:26:59.860 voting because you you said that and i just i thought it was interesting and i i just kind of

00:27:04.800 wanted to press a little bit and hear some more thoughts what what what do you think about uh 0.99

00:27:08.840 women voting i would let lydia vote okay all right and could you explain why sure she's ahead 1.00

00:27:17.880 of a household i think the church meeting in her home yeah yeah so well she appears to be a wealthy 0.79

00:27:25.620 widow is how a lot of commentators think and that's suggested what i would say with the voting

00:27:30.760 issues so these are litmus tests and um everyone like i had a young guy reach out to me and asked

00:27:37.160 me if I was post-millennial or theonomic and I said I don't know what do you mean by post-millennial

00:27:41.620 or theonomic right and that's not me being a smart aleck that's the fact that people grab these little

00:27:47.700 they grab these labels and throw them around they they have no understanding of it right and I was

00:27:52.040 like asked him what books he had read he hadn't read any books and I was like well maybe start

00:27:55.960 with three views on the millennium right just like start wrapping your head around these topics and

00:28:00.780 you know because I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do it so voting is a lot like that suffrage

00:28:06.260 is where the feminist movement really took off in our country, you know, and therefore it's like 0.99

00:28:14.380 this untouchable thing and a litmus test on whether you're just a monster. Now, what I would 0.99

00:28:24.760 say, though, is that I don't think, I probably don't think that landowners or non-landowners

00:28:31.640 should be voting so i don't i'm not i'm not a big believer in universal suffrage for men or women but

00:28:38.820 to me like this is one of those things kind of like why are we talking about this like where 0.85

00:28:45.000 are we at in culture like we're gonna we're gonna stop women from voting is that what is that what's

00:28:49.800 on the um the agenda right now and are we and so the when people have these conversations you have

00:28:56.880 to recognize it for what it is. One, if it's happening out among friends, that's fine. But

00:29:01.960 if it's happening in a public space, yeah, public forum like space, and I take you, obviously I take

00:29:10.840 you to be a friend, but it's usually us just like trying to decide who's broken the rules of

00:29:18.480 orthodoxy and who's a terrible person and not actually getting work done. And that's why I

00:29:22.940 personally shy away from it because i'm like i don't care and i don't care if you care um right

00:29:27.960 but i will tell you in our church uh to the shame of all my patriarchal listeners like we we do allow

00:29:33.900 female members to vote um i assume it gives two votes are you baptist yeah right no that's a good

00:29:42.300 point are you baptist presbyterian i'm pauline so presbyterian okay nice okay non what are you

00:29:49.700 presbyterian i am unclear i'm unclear more more presbyterian in my polity and i'm presbyterian

00:29:59.080 in my covenant theology but i am not presbyterian in terms of baptizing infants so that's another

00:30:04.680 rabbit hole that we could go down but it's yeah yeah so i'm i'm 1689 and so i'm reformed baptist

00:30:11.500 but not a calvinistic baptist a reformed baptist so i'm confessional and sabbatarian and covenantal

00:30:17.300 in terms of a 1689 federalism so not truly covenantal to the presbyterian you guys wouldn't

00:30:22.980 recognize that but uh but anyways so yeah i'm as close as you can get uh to being truly reformed

00:30:29.660 without being presbyterian so that being said um a lot of my friends you know most of my friends i

00:30:35.160 tend to have more in common with my presbyterian pastor friends than the baptist guys because

00:30:39.020 baptist is just you who knows what you're going to get it's just so broad um i mean the southern

00:30:43.860 baptist you know convention and you just have no clue but uh but with that you know a decent amount

00:30:49.200 of my friends and some of my reformed baptist friends they have you know when it comes to

00:30:52.860 voting so i'm congregational that's one of the big differences as you guys know between westminster

00:30:57.060 and 1689 is uh that you know the chapter on the church we have 16 paragraphs in the 1689 all about

00:31:02.780 the church and then you got synods and councils and it's just blank because we're baptists so

00:31:07.200 we're going to rebel and uh protest everything and and you know there's we believe in local

00:31:12.700 church autonomy, no ecclesiastical authority outside of the local church. Um, so that being

00:31:17.380 said, you know, uh, I'm congregational and we believe the highest, uh, the highest authority,

00:31:22.660 earthly authority, the highest authority is the Bible, but the question is, uh, who gets to say

00:31:26.640 what the Bible says? So the highest earthly authority, uh, we believe is the congregation.

00:31:30.720 So the congregation would have a vote, um, over primary matters, like our, our statement of faith,

00:31:35.680 um, when it comes to ordaining elders and deacons or church discipline, uh, removing someone from

00:31:41.280 the lord's table that would be a congregational matter uh secondary and tertiary matters would

00:31:45.980 go to the the elders and deacons and we do hold to a male diaconate we believe that deacons are

00:31:50.700 not male and female but just like elders and men a guy that's going to be i'm just curious as we're

00:31:55.540 talking yeah yeah so a guy that's like going to be um excommunicated or removed from the table

00:32:00.780 for a time does that go to a vote like people get to vote whether or not he's going to be removed

00:32:04.980 from the team that's the baptist way uh 51 or what like how did you arrive at the percentage

00:32:11.020 right um that's a great question um so you know we have our bylaws um but i know what you're

00:32:17.160 asking you don't care about my bylaws you want to know like no no no no what bible first you know

00:32:21.500 tells you a percentage no no majority super majority yeah so for us it is a simple majority

00:32:26.780 um with elders 49% of the people can like be like that dude that dude should not be communing with

00:32:34.940 the lord jesus through the lord's table in a baptist church at least theoretically and he

00:32:39.580 could do it yeah and he could keep michael you're such a troublemaker well i'm just thinking about

00:32:44.440 doesn't this sound miserable it does it sounds intense and that's and that's why so but think

00:32:50.740 of it like this in a nutshell i would say that's why baptists local baptist churches split is

00:32:56.080 because of our polity and that's why you presbyterians your denomination split because

00:33:00.660 a whole denomination goes liberal and the only way you can have guys who are faithful with the bible

00:33:04.840 is you get, you know, PCUSA, and then it's PCA, and then it's got to be PC, and then it's got to

00:33:09.740 be P. Split P's is what they call it, man. That's right. So it's basically, you know, you have

00:33:14.880 Presbyterian splitting at a denominational level, and then you have Baptists kind of splitting at

00:33:18.720 local. So either way you slice it, I think both polities have their strengths and their

00:33:24.760 weaknesses. But anyways, all that being said, when it comes to a congregational vote, we have,

00:33:29.760 you know, they would have to be a baptized believer, and we believe, you know, we're

00:33:33.320 credo-baptists, and so they would have to be baptized. But that's where it gets wacky, you

00:33:38.160 know, and I'll at least say difficult for Reformed Baptists is, you know, if I'm going to baptize, 0.98

00:33:43.540 for instance, a 12-year-old, because they've made a credible profession of faith before the church,

00:33:49.600 and it's not just on the basis of mom and dad and their testimony, but he's met with the elders and

00:33:53.320 sat before them, and we're saying, yeah, we can't withhold the Lord's Supper from him any longer,

00:33:58.460 but we're not going to give him the Lord's Supper without what we believe is the initiating

00:34:02.020 oath sign, which is baptism. And then the renewing oath sign is the renewal of the covenant when we

00:34:06.980 come together and take the Lord's Supper is the way that we would view that. So we've got to

00:34:10.420 baptize this guy. Now he's a baptized believer. And for me, in trying to be consistent in my

00:34:15.500 polity, I don't believe in what I think many Baptists do believe in, which I would call

00:34:20.100 partial membership, where they're ministering baptism and the supper, but they're technically

00:34:26.640 a congregational church, but they're not giving him voting rights. So he's a partial member of

00:34:30.320 the church, right? He can take the supper, he can get baptized, but he doesn't have, so anyway, so

00:34:35.660 that being said, we would see the child, the wife, right? So the female, so it's not just men and 0.77

00:34:40.460 women, but it's also children. If we're going to baptize them, all of a sudden, you know, that 12 0.98

00:34:45.720 year old could be voting to remove me as his pastor, if things go really, really bad in a

00:34:50.200 members meeting. And so all that being said, I don't know how to get away from, and the big one

00:34:56.240 is, and maybe you guys can help me, but Galatians, I think with Galatians 3, you know, there is

00:35:00.300 neither male nor female, and I know that gets taken out of context, but I feel like at the

00:35:05.300 Lord's table, male and female, slave or free, you know, Jew or Greek, and so the way I see it is like

00:35:14.920 the one area, so that doesn't mean, because we still have Ephesians 5, right, so there's neither 0.82

00:35:19.840 male nor female, husband, head of the wife, wife submit in everything to her husband, and so

00:35:25.980 we know that doesn't just whitewash everything when paul's you know writing in galatians but i

00:35:31.640 feel like the one area where where women have that equal voice is um through their vote as a

00:35:38.780 regenerate church member and so for me i would really have a hard time ecclesiastical i would 0.94

00:35:44.060 have an easier time not allowing women to vote in a presidential election than not allowing

00:35:49.160 christian women baptized christian women to vote in my baptist church does that does that make

00:35:54.620 sense and i think it's i just love to hear your thoughts i mean i think people's ecclesiology

00:35:59.420 is um i think people's political understanding almost always reflects your ecclesiology

00:36:04.720 so you're not surprised that the church of england right is modeled on a monarchy and america is was

00:36:12.740 at least originally largely modeled on presbyterianism with a healthy dose of very reform

00:36:20.400 leaning congregationalism, right? So you go back to what's happening in Virginia and South Carolina

00:36:26.740 in the 1700s leading up to that. The fact is the only guy that signed was a presbytery minister,

00:36:33.100 right? Witherspoon. But so I think I don't know how you get around it. I believe in representative

00:36:41.920 of government and i think uh that uh but i i then again i allow women to i will we will allow women

00:36:51.780 to vote in our church and um and that's more of just because uh we're working towards reform

00:36:59.380 i think of it as a long line of dominoes just imagine yeah that a lot of the things people

00:37:07.740 want to talk about is the domino at the very end of the line. And when they're like that,

00:37:13.020 I take them not to be serious people. Um, because, uh, because it, like, I want to get there

00:37:19.480 friend, we'll talk about it, but we, there's all these things towards the front. Like we've got to

00:37:24.560 get, we got to flip those dominoes first to get down there. And so for me, I, that might not be

00:37:31.400 a reform that happens underneath me. Someone could say that you could just do it right away.

00:37:35.100 and i would say well yeah but you limit the the number of people you can reach and then they would

00:37:40.860 say that's pragmatism and i'd say haha true it is we're all pragmatists right like let me into

00:37:46.500 your life for five seconds and i'll dissect you right you dissect me and then we'll all like

00:37:50.940 realize like it's very difficult to work these things out right now right i think the theonomy

00:37:55.640 question goes the same direction it's like how do you work out the particulars of these is very 0.99

00:37:59.300 difficult like i think a 12 year old voting whether someone should be a pastor is asinine 0.96

00:38:05.020 and insane um but then again what you do as a baptist yeah right what you do as a baptist is 0.92

00:38:11.900 you just you don't baptize a 12 year old and but it gets difficult because then you have to have

00:38:16.760 some legitimate reason besides just the fact that he's 12 right i think that's more consistent if

00:38:22.480 you're a baptist i don't think you should baptize him if you're a baptist until like they're 20 or

00:38:25.860 something when they truly individuated from the parents and then you know that their faith is

00:38:30.840 their own or not just doing it because daddy's a christian that would make more sense to me i think

00:38:35.080 but no what's your thoughts brother i think the question is very simple democracy is the

00:38:42.260 rulership of the people so who is allowed to rule in the people democracy the only people

00:38:48.220 who should vote in a democracy are people who are qualified to rule yeah i get you i think that's

00:38:55.620 good i like the household vote i so i'm theologically i'm not there but i i like it

00:39:02.020 because what you kind of described earlier um michael i i see actually the the harm being on

00:39:07.920 the on the other end of the aisle other side of the aisle that if um in the in the baptist world

00:39:14.080 congregational vote every you know baptized believer is a member of that church and has

00:39:19.340 one vote i see it as like that guy who's a super faithful church member and him and his wife and

00:39:25.400 has six kids and let's say his youngest at this point and it's this multi-generational still in

00:39:31.000 the church and let's say he's in his 60s his oldest is you know 35 and his youngest is 18

00:39:36.480 and uh well that wouldn't work let's say they're still in the home i'm ruining my analogy but let's

00:39:41.020 say they're all in the home there's six children from 12 to 18 years old that doesn't work but

00:39:45.080 the math but you get lots of twins you know 10 yeah 10 10 to 18 six children all baptized him

00:39:51.460 and his wife baptized a household of eight if it's a household vote then those eight regenerate church

00:39:56.520 members and my baptist framework they get one vote and that single woman who's 23 years old 1.00

00:40:02.660 and a liberal who is getting close to being put underneath church discipline because she's 0.71

00:40:08.580 she's just she's her views are horrible and she's outspoken and being divisive and we've already 0.99

00:40:14.320 So what you need is an electoral college. 1.00

00:40:17.480 Yeah, but we'll see. 1.00

00:40:18.600 And so now this 23-year-old single woman is getting an equal amount of voting power, if with the household vote, to my rock star lay elder, you know, for instance, and his wife and six baptized children.

00:40:32.560 So that's part of, you know. 0.99

00:40:34.040 We all need to return to aristocracy.

00:40:36.140 And the first step in that process is returning to the idea of having a free and transparent election.

00:40:41.260 until we can do that there's not much point having any further discussion about who should

00:40:45.400 be ruling free free and transparent election we nailed that i thought we just nailed that

00:40:49.600 i think we got that down okay all right i'll i'll move us along so um what what's i'll just

00:40:58.360 ask these two together and then we'll start to wrap up and we've got a bonus question for for

00:41:02.340 our listeners who are club members so these two questions i'll ask together what's one of your

00:41:07.040 biggest concerns for christian men today so men in the church not the pagan but but the one who

00:41:11.240 professes christ and also uh what do you think is one of the most severe harmful effects of feminism

00:41:19.240 on um on the church today i think michael should take that first question because he's a pastor

00:41:26.080 and i'm not okay great i mean my biggest concern is that men don't fear god i mean

00:41:36.320 i don't have any special answer that men don't fear god and that they don't live a life to

00:41:44.340 glorify him and if if i want to tie that into feminism i would say that we live in a culture

00:41:51.200 where men have been conditioned to be validated by women and those particular men will live their

00:41:59.240 life to get feminine approval and, or they'll kind of react against that. And then they'll tend

00:42:07.500 to look for some sort of like guru, like guy, like an expert, a father figure that might not

00:42:15.880 be a good father figure. So I think men that have, that haven't had good godly men as fathers,

00:42:22.180 whether they're biological or men that have discipled them and mentored them in some way,

00:42:27.280 those guys are very vulnerable and easy to manipulate and control. So I think we live in

00:42:32.180 a society that is full of men that are fearful, seeking validation, and easy to manipulate. And

00:42:39.340 that's true of the church. And that's why we can't call a spade a spade nowadays. That's why pastors

00:42:46.620 have to look over their shoulder if they preach something, because they know that in their

00:42:51.260 congregation and often on their elders board or sessions, that there's men that if their wife

00:42:56.240 or daughter get offended that those men are going to throw you under the bus to keep the peace at 1.00

00:43:01.260 home so now you could say that that's a concern about feminism right but ultimately it's a concern 0.57

00:43:09.100 about fearing god right like like back off woman like i i believe god's word i think that what the

00:43:16.880 pastor said was right and and sometimes that hurts our feelings that are it's good that our pride is

00:43:22.080 hurt that's what that really usually means right it is like which feeling was hurt is a lot of

00:43:27.540 times what i like to ask people like what was the categorized the feeling for me because i think

00:43:32.280 it's your pride um so i think that's the the biggest problem we have right now is men that

00:43:37.740 aren't masculine and the masculinity non and i are working on a chapter right now that's all around

00:43:43.120 this is that no for no fraternity no masculinity and that fraternity starts with the fatherhood of

00:43:48.460 God. And if guys don't fear God, um, as, as a father and see, identify themselves as a son of

00:43:55.260 God, they are going to be manipulated by the ton of grifters out there. You know, I see some of

00:44:02.040 these guys selling masculinity courses in the church and I'm like, dude, you, there's nothing

00:44:07.000 masculine about you. You, you look at a dirty, worthless hipster trying to take advantage of 1.00

00:44:14.040 these young men out here that are hungry. These men, we don't do a course. We thought about it. 1.00

00:44:19.140 Everyone does like these manhood courses. We got bills to pay too. We thought maybe that's

00:44:22.920 the way to monetize it. We couldn't do it. We could bring ourself to do it. And so I see a lot

00:44:27.720 of guys taking advantage of these men. And then these men are fools to often marry brassy, loud 0.99

00:44:34.360 mouth, ungodly women who have went out there and ran around and got themselves in all sorts of 0.98

00:44:40.620 trouble, the very women, and I'm using words and concepts directly from Proverbs chapter seven. 0.99

00:44:47.640 And these guys are getting these terrible marriages and then we have to counsel them. 0.98

00:44:51.720 Right. And so this is, this is not a good scenario for those men, but, but especially for the

00:44:59.220 children, right. For the covenant children, for the future of the church. And so those are probably

00:45:04.860 the issues that I see practically played out. So I'm trying to get men to fear God. I'm not

00:45:10.020 trying to get them to make their wife submit more right like i want that i want there to be

00:45:15.420 a healthy relationship you know but again the first domino to drop there is a proper understanding

00:45:22.880 of the nature of our god who's a father right and we relate to him through the son and the spirit

00:45:30.220 empowers us to live bold lives that's good non any thoughts i think that in terms of

00:45:39.960 the effect that feminism has had both on society and the church the effect is the same for both

00:45:44.700 and that is primarily that it has kind of through conditioning and kind of through men

00:45:52.140 just not wanting to fight with women it has resulted in a way of thinking that is a default 0.60

00:46:00.460 female way of thinking now a female way of thinking is a great thing in the right place 0.84

00:46:05.200 But when you put it into the wrong place, it becomes essentially a conduit for ensuring that orthodoxy is gradually undermined and any kind of heterodoxy that can be smuggled in under a certain sentiment is raised up and lionized.

00:46:27.680 and the reason that that happens is because people who defend orthodoxy tend to be somewhat abrasive

00:46:34.980 and will ruffle people's feathers because they tell them that they're wrong whereas heterodoxy

00:46:39.820 tends to be brought in by false teachers who are by nature flatterers and they use smooth speech

00:46:44.760 and women are their entire mode of existence is based around establishing social bonds it's based

00:46:55.960 around ensuring that there is kind of this conciliation between people no one's left out 1.00

00:47:01.260 and what that results in practically is that women aren't able to fight without splitting there has

00:47:07.320 to be ostracization going on if there's some kind of a threat it needs to be put out in order to 1.00

00:47:13.780 protect the harmony of the whole and that means that anyone who brings in any kind of masculine

00:47:20.620 even it doesn't even have the ideas it can just be someone who thinks that there ought to be a

00:47:25.080 debate about something if you're willing to debate something and you think that it's important to

00:47:28.660 debate something that makes you threatening it's scary and so you get put out and the people that

00:47:32.660 are willing to tow the line and not rock the boat they're the ones that are kind of the order there

00:47:37.640 is preserved and so they are raised up as being models of how to live in society and this happens

00:47:42.640 i've seen this happen both in the church and in society at large it's very difficult we we always

00:47:48.120 walk on eggshells these days because we don't want to offend people this is where cancel culture

00:47:51.600 comes from and this is the idea that you can um you essentially it's a sin to offend people now

00:47:59.400 the 11th commandment thou shalt be nice is where this idea comes from as well so it's all a result 1.00

00:48:05.040 of feminine conditioning and not placing feminine ways of thinking underneath the rulership of

00:48:11.100 masculine ways of thinking which is how god designed it that's really good maybe one way

00:48:16.160 to tie that back to our subject that we had earlier take subjects like suffrage because it's

00:48:22.680 so inflammatory to some people and i don't want to deal with the emails and i don't want to deal

00:48:28.380 with the argument and i want to deal with the tweets and all that stuff i i don't want to talk

00:48:32.560 about it right to some degree and uh that's not a good place to be in a society where we can't

00:48:40.020 there needs to be a space where people can talk about ideas and think out loud and work through

00:48:45.880 them and not be punished for it or like us guys we can we can sit around in a non-recorded place

00:48:53.580 and talk about whatever we want uh like a good group of guys that know each other and we'll

00:48:58.340 throw out crazy ideas and um i've got a lot of like crazy ideas in genesis you know in particular

00:49:05.160 that i've worked through with friends and some of them are like no that that's a little too wild

00:49:10.020 but at least i could i could uh put them out there and think through it with people when you're in

00:49:15.480 environment like that, everything gets reduced down more and more and more. And so it's mere

00:49:20.400 Christianity, mere sexuality, mere everything. And even what's mere is shrinking. And so I think 0.83

00:49:27.440 people are in churches that can't have these conversations. And we're now at a time where

00:49:33.180 it all is starting to matter in dire ways. And they weren't allowed to have those conversations

00:49:39.120 and the people aren't prepared. And they're looking at their pastor saying, why didn't you

00:49:42.640 prepare me right and that's like the moment we live in right now yep i completely agree all right

00:49:50.140 well that's been very interesting very helpful uh i think our listeners are gonna really enjoy

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00:51:19.480 website you can sign up for a newsletter which is probably the better the best way of getting

00:51:24.880 content from us is the newsletter because it's high quality notes every saturday and a lot of

00:51:30.740 that stuff is what we create all of our other content from so you get to see it early cool

00:51:36.580 Yeah, that's what I would say.

00:51:37.500 I would say go to the website.

00:51:38.760 It's good to be a man and sign up for the newsletter.

00:51:40.600 That's where a lot of the stuff that we create across multiple platforms is tabulated and made more useful.

00:51:46.680 I'm on Twitter for the moment at ThisIsFoster and on Gab at ThisIsFoster.

00:51:51.440 And those are the two best places to find me.

00:51:53.820 Great.

00:51:54.440 Thanks, guys, for coming on the show.

00:51:56.180 Yeah, thank you.

00:51:57.940 Hi, this is Pastor Joel Webin with Right Response Ministries wishing you a very Merry Christmas.

00:52:04.020 This year of our Lord, 2021,

00:52:06.720 God has far exceeded all of our wildest expectations.

00:52:11.040 On our YouTube platform alone,

00:52:12.960 we've reached this year 1.2 million views.

00:52:17.080 And that's aside from all of our other

00:52:18.980 social media platforms.

00:52:20.980 And I've been wondering about this.

00:52:22.920 Why is it that people have found our content

00:52:25.480 and our ministry to be helpful?

00:52:28.160 The Puritans believed that a minister of the word

00:52:30.680 had not faithfully preached God's word

00:52:33.160 unless his sermon was composed of at least three parts.

00:52:37.480 Number one, exegesis of the text.

00:52:40.800 Number two, doctrine,

00:52:43.100 drawing out and emphasizing specific theology

00:52:47.440 and doctrines within the text.

00:52:49.520 But number three, read any of the Puritan works

00:52:52.760 from John Owen to Thomas Watson to Richard Baxter

00:52:55.420 and you will find at the end of their writings,

00:52:57.900 at the end of their books

00:52:58.740 and at the end of their sermon manuscripts, application.

00:53:01.920 application it's a text with exegesis it's doctrines fleshed out but then it's those

00:53:09.520 truths applied to every single realm of human life and nothing less our nation is desperate

00:53:18.320 for God's commandments God's precepts God's word to be applied to culture to be applied

00:53:26.940 to politics, to be applied to economics, to be applied to the marketplace, to be applied

00:53:32.800 to all these things. And that's been our flagship show. As I'm sure you're aware with Right Response

00:53:39.960 Ministries, the show that most of you tune in for is called Theology Applied. When I came up with

00:53:46.840 that idea, I didn't feel like I was even coming up with an idea. I thought this was the most

00:53:52.160 basic idea you could ever have. It feels inauthentic or deceitful to even call it an idea

00:53:58.340 that makes it sound like it was innovative or it was some kind of, you know, amazing creation.

00:54:03.260 Theology applied. Isn't that what Christians have always done? Apparently not. Not anymore. 0.92

00:54:11.300 Because when we apply the word of God to areas of human society that don't want God's word,

00:54:18.800 all of a sudden, there's conflict.

00:54:21.200 When you start applying God's law to the medical field,

00:54:25.320 when you start applying God's law to how people should vote,

00:54:29.040 when you start applying God's law to Roe versus Wade,

00:54:32.660 when you start applying God's law to economics,

00:54:36.100 to socialism, to all these other things,

00:54:38.860 then all of a sudden, people are bothered.

00:54:43.300 You know why people are bothered?

00:54:44.640 they're bothered when the church becomes a threat.

00:54:49.280 Jesus was crucified because Jesus was a threat.

00:54:53.680 He was a threat to the kingdoms of this world.

00:54:56.360 He was a threat to the wisdom of this age.

00:55:00.180 He was a threat to principalities and to rulers

00:55:03.020 and to governing officials.

00:55:05.540 Jesus was a threat then.

00:55:07.920 And if we would only preach him,

00:55:10.360 if we would only preach Christ again today, 0.50

00:55:13.120 he will be a threat to all his enemies once more.

00:55:17.140 God is supreme.

00:55:18.400 He has something to say.

00:55:20.460 Will we open our mouths?

00:55:22.160 Will we reflect his image?

00:55:24.680 Will we reflect his truth?

00:55:26.940 Will we preach the whole counsel of God?

00:55:30.920 By God's grace, that's what we've done.

00:55:32.780 And I believe that's why we've grown.

00:55:34.880 That's why you like our ministry.

00:55:36.440 That's why you've been willing to be generous

00:55:38.440 and support our ministry.

00:55:39.960 And so we wanna continue.

00:55:42.040 and we don't wanna just continue in the way that we have.

00:55:45.540 We wanna expand and multiply our impact,

00:55:49.220 our content, our reach in every single regard,

00:55:53.460 but we can't do it without your help.

00:55:56.040 You've been so encouraging in your comments, your emails.

00:55:59.840 You've prayed for us, you've cared for us

00:56:02.360 and you've generously supported us.

00:56:05.680 But if it's not too much to ask,

00:56:08.080 I humbly request that you would prayerfully consider

00:56:10.620 financially supporting us at the end of the year once more.

00:56:15.320 And that you would pray that we would remain faithful.

00:56:19.640 The last thing I want is for this ministry to grow,

00:56:22.640 but for me to shrink in cowardice. 1.00

00:56:25.920 I pray that God kills this ministry tomorrow 0.99

00:56:28.580 if I'm going to be a man who compromises. 0.98

00:56:32.540 So pray that the ministry grows,

00:56:35.000 but pray for me personally.

00:56:37.300 I'm asking you, pray for joy.

00:56:39.780 Pray that I would be courageous.

00:56:42.040 The righteous are as bold as lions.

00:56:45.280 Pray that I would not shrink back

00:56:46.920 and that I would continue to apply the whole counsel of God

00:56:51.380 to the whole of human life.

00:56:54.460 Pray that this ministry would be a threat

00:56:56.900 and that we would faithfully equip Christians 1.00

00:56:59.580 all over the world to likewise be a threat, 1.00

00:57:04.100 a threat to every principality, every evil power,

00:57:07.800 every wisdom of this age, every lofty opinion,

00:57:12.560 every ruler who sets his face

00:57:15.160 against the lordship of Jesus Christ.

00:57:18.920 Merry Christmas.

The NXR Podcast - December 15, 2021

THEOLOGY APPLIED - Biblical Patriarchy： How Complementarianism Falls Short Of Scripture

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