The NXR Podcast - May 17, 2022


THEOLOGY APPLIED - Christians Must Build, Not Just Boycott

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Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
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David French Laura Rory Francis Collins Marcus Pittman Kevin Sorbo Bitcoin Baraka Lore Jeff Durbin Durable Trades Martin Luther Russell Moore George Floyd Doug Wilson Andrew Torba Hobby Lobby C.R. Wiley Tim Keller Joe Rogan and 5 more
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Marcus Pittman is the President, CEO, and Founder of Lore, a conservative streaming company that, by God s grace, is a force to be reckoned with. By God's grace, their ambition is to take back the culture for King Jesus.

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00:00:18 Hi, I'm Pastor Joel Webin with Right Response Ministries,
00:00:20 and you're listening to another episode of Theology Applied.
00:00:23 In this episode, I was privileged to have as a special guest, Marcus Pittman.
00:00:27 Marcus Pittman is the president or CEO and founder of LOR, L-O-O-R.
00:00:34 It's a streaming company.
00:00:36 It's a conservative streaming company that, by God's grace, their ambition is to be a
00:00:42 force to be reckoned with, to take back the culture for King Jesus.
00:00:46 This was a really interesting interview.
00:00:48 I think you guys will enjoy.
00:00:49 Applying God's word to every aspect of life.
00:00:53 This is Theology Applied.
00:00:57 All right. Welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied. I'm your host, Pastor Joel
00:01:05 Webin, and I am privileged to have as a special guest today, Marcus Pittman. Marcus, thanks for
00:01:10 coming on the show. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. So let me frame it up a little
00:01:15 bit. This is what we want to do. So Marcus is known for many things. He actually helped Jeff
00:01:20 Durbin start Apologia Studios back in the day. And then a couple of years ago, a year and a half ago,
00:01:24 he moved to moscow right that's what guys do they just go back and forth between uh doug wilson and
00:01:29 jeff durbin that's where that's where the action's at and so he's in moscow now and uh with those
00:01:35 guys fight left feast network you guys know gabriel wrench gabriel wrench is on our board
00:01:39 with right response ministries and toby sumter david shannon chalk knocks i guess is how people
00:01:43 well me and david shannon have known each other for years back in georgia when we were both working
00:01:47 for wretched so not okay so i didn't know you worked for wretched so you worked very briefly
00:01:52 yeah very briefly so were you fired after like three weeks and uh did you get fired because you
00:01:57 want to put a pinwheel on the side of your head no i just wasn't that good at the time oh okay
00:02:02 i just wasn't that good at the time and gotcha um you know that forced uh me to uh me and david
00:02:08 became really good friends as a result of that nice and uh it was just me and david just started
00:02:13 making videos together got connected with darren doan got connected with american vision did how
00:02:16 answer the fool and uh um a bunch of other documentaries there um for american vision
00:02:21 and then and then we both went you know david went to moscow and then i went to um apologia
00:02:29 were you involved i know david shannon was a big part of it but were you involved with a by what
00:02:35 standard documentary uh i filmed i wasn't really involved other than i held a camera and i went to
00:02:43 the Southern Baptist convention to help record some of the stuff that went down for the first
00:02:47 one. That's one of the only reasons somebody would go to the SBC convention. That is true.
00:02:55 Cool, man. All right. So let me frame it up. So this is what we're doing. So Marcus is known for
00:03:00 a lot of things. We just went over some of that, but his most recent and current venture is Lore,
00:03:07 which is a streaming... Well, you go ahead and say it's a Christian conservative streaming
00:03:12 platform tell us about it it's a conservative streaming platform i would say by by um i mean
00:03:18 it's i mean everything i do is christian that's right amen uh so um but but yeah so basically the
00:03:25 way it's going to work is uh right now if you have netflix or disney plus your monthly subscription
00:03:30 goes to you know liberals uh who hate god and then they uh spend that money uh funding movies 0.95
00:03:38 and TV shows that you don't want your family to see, or they put the crazy diversity, LGBTQ 0.52
00:03:45 standards in there and all that sort of nonsense. And so you really have no say in sort of the 1.00
00:03:50 programming. And so what Laura's going to do is Laura's going to allow you to use your monthly
00:03:53 subscription to fund the TV shows and movies that you actually want to see. So you actually have a
00:04:00 say, you have a vote in the shows and TV shows that get made. That's cool. Movies and TV shows
00:04:05 a good man yeah that's cool and so it's not it's not christian in the sense that i think it was
00:04:08 martin luther who said you know that the first imperative of the gospel and the cobbler is not
00:04:12 that he makes christian shoes but he makes good shoes and good shoes are christian shoes when a
00:04:16 christian makes them so so it's not like uh you have to be a christian producer and have you know
00:04:21 john 3 16 you know i don't think i don't think i don't think art works that way and the reason i
00:04:26 don't think art works that way is because um if you look at the heavens and the earth and the
00:04:32 stars and the planets and the moon and all the beautiful sunsets and sunrises all of god's
00:04:37 handiwork that's all general revelation all right so god's artwork is general um it doesn't say it's
00:04:43 not salvific and if you look at a lot of the art in the bible it's general too like the building
00:04:48 of the temple it had meaning there was meaning there um you know the mercy seat we know now
00:04:53 but at the time it was okay here's a mercy seat you know here's a veil um it was beautiful artwork
00:04:58 but it wasn't necessarily like there wasn't an explanation of what Jesus was
00:05:02 going to do written on the mercy seat. Right. So,
00:05:06 so that was revealed later.
00:05:08 And I think the same is true with when you watch a movie and you, you,
00:05:11 you're, you're riding home with your family,
00:05:13 you're talking about the movie and you go, Oh,
00:05:15 there is a redemption narrative in that. You know, there was this, you know,
00:05:18 one, you know, when you look at like, like the Mandalorian,
00:05:21 you're talking about, you know, watching the Mandalorian and you go, man,
00:05:24 there's a lot of stuff about like adoption and covenant and all this cool
00:05:28 stuff in in the mandalorian this is the way yeah this is the way uh you know um the way you know
00:05:35 you know you know abandoning uh the mandalorian religion for the force or whatever uh you know
00:05:41 the true religion of the star wars universe so it's really there's a really a lot of stuff there
00:05:44 but it's not like explicit and and then a lot of times uh one of the benefits i think we as
00:05:50 christians have is that uh the the the pagans can make art that glorifies god at least to some degree
00:05:56 in the narrative and stuff um and so it's interesting um to but we but when it comes to
00:06:02 christian films uh they we've put weird rules on it you know that they have to be made for 35 year
00:06:10 old women and above and shop at lifeway bookstores who they have to have a horse a female uh what is
00:06:16 it a horse a female puppy and a child i think are the four standards that they look for for real
00:06:21 like if you want to sell a movie to pureflix those are some of the standards right so so there's all
00:06:25 these weird like not they're not christian rules um they're not derived from scripture and so what
00:06:32 we're trying to do is like okay if there's an absolutely fair playing ground between the pagans
00:06:38 and the christians uh who's going to win the storytelling contest and i think history has
00:06:44 shown that's always the christians that that win the storytelling contest and i think that's gonna
00:06:49 i think we'll see that play out but you have to have that fair ground you have you can't have
00:06:55 um sony buy pure you know sony who pushes lgbt stuff you know they have you know the last of
00:07:01 us two which you know huge video game uh that was all pushed a homosexual trans agenda right
00:07:06 so sony and then they buy pureflix and then they start making christian content and you know now 0.66
00:07:12 all of a sudden all your christian movies are profiting the the lost leader documentaries 0.92
00:07:17 the homosexual movies that nobody watches right but allows them to sort of so so we can't have 0.93
00:07:21 that um that's not going to work um and and so what we really need is just a place where the free 0.95
00:07:28 market can determine uh what's a good movie and what's not and not um stats and data and analytics
00:07:36 and marketing uh panels and all this other sort of nonsense that that plagues hollywood burdens
00:07:41 hollywood i would say it makes hollywood worse that's why you have um you know superman and
00:07:45 lois is a good example on the cw last season was amazing huge huge family narrative uh father son
00:07:53 you know without going into too much detail but it's superman moving back to um his family
00:08:00 um his family farm and raising his kids with lois lane and just this amazing
00:08:06 family story of how you know superman if he's like if he's late for his job
00:08:14 people actually die but he also has to be back in time for dinner or you know or he'll lose his
00:08:22 family this is amazing like people say well superman doesn't have any weaknesses but i think
00:08:27 like they found it and then two episodes into season two they start to push the lgbt line
00:08:31 you're just like why did that have to happen it was the show is like amazing so but but that's
00:08:36 because you know there's requirements and marketing panels and diversity directors of diversity that
00:08:43 you know, are required to do it for them. And there's no government laws, let's say that has
00:08:47 to happen. That's just their own religion. And so I think if you, yeah. And what we found is that
00:08:54 artists who might not even be Christian hate it too. And they're just looking for a place that 0.82
00:08:59 they can make a lot of money and tell the stories that they want. And I think if you, you know,
00:09:04 have the playground in which that can happen, you also get to decide the rules and tell them what
00:09:08 they can't do. And then, and then I think, you know, cause you know, we're not a free speech
00:09:13 platform um we're not pushing that um you know you could do you know nudity and not safe for
00:09:20 work content and stuff no no we have two rules no blasphemy and no nudity and then make a make
00:09:25 a great story and then we try to give artists freedom to just tell that story without notes
00:09:30 from us and all that sort of other stuff right um but but we're we are looking for talented artists
00:09:35 we are looking for the ones who have uh done really amazing skillful work and um can deliver
00:09:41 product that's awesome man and i and i like that you said that you're not a free speech uh platform
00:09:46 because if there's anything we've realized over the last couple years we've realized that uh
00:09:50 libertarianism doesn't work um it's not it's not whether but which right there's always going to
00:09:55 be reigning orthodoxy and whatever reigning orthodoxy happens to be in power is going to
00:09:59 have certain blasphemy laws things you cannot say yes that you must do so so this idea of um
00:10:06 yeah no like we we want to win conservatives are just one of the reasons we lose is because it's 0.99
00:10:11 like they're just so committed to losing you know and christians are no different it's like
00:10:15 you know we want to take a stand but we also want to make sure that you know that we never
00:10:19 actually take ground we never advance we never so we yeah we have laws we have god's law and so
00:10:25 it's it's not it's not man's tyranny versus no law it's it's either man's law versus god's law
00:10:31 yeah there's no such thing as a free speech plat like a true free speech platform right
00:10:36 um um even gab has no pornography rule new rules and i think i think gab would argue that free
00:10:43 speech isn't technically considered uh i'm sorry pornography isn't technically considered free
00:10:47 speech according to the first amendment because there's uh what they call uh i don't know like
00:10:53 lewd laws or something like that that a lot you know so but so i don't i don't exactly know but
00:10:58 they still have you know andrew torb is not neutral and i say this as someone who thinks
00:11:03 the engine tour was amazing um but but not there's no such thing as a platform that's like look at
00:11:08 getter and parlor right um right uh you know getter uh out of parlor uh banned our ad that we've been
00:11:15 running on gab we've had an ad on gab that just says uh no more gay movies and it does really 0.83
00:11:22 well the cpcs are really low it's a great ad for us and then we tried to get it on parlor and
00:11:26 uh they rejected it i had actually had a phone call with the marketing team there and
00:11:32 they're like oh yeah that just violates our community standards it's like well yeah so
00:11:37 stop calling yourself for it i think that's just that's just a neutrality thing that's just a
00:11:42 bond to neutrality thing and then we saw what the blow up with getter too because they're just
00:11:45 banning people before they even come on the platform yeah did you see that interview with
00:11:48 tim pool and uh i did man it was fantastic it was really good he he was very charitable but like i
00:11:54 I mean, they were softball questions, but the guy couldn't answer him
00:11:56 because he's not principled.
00:11:58 He doesn't have.
00:11:58 Yeah, he's not principled.
00:11:59 You could tell, you know, I always say never go on a podcast with a suit.
00:12:05 Well, I'm wearing a suit right now.
00:12:07 I'm wearing a suit right now.
00:12:08 The host can.
00:12:09 Okay.
00:12:10 The guest, I always go, okay, if you're that guy when no one in the room
00:12:15 is wearing the suit.
00:12:16 Right, right.
00:12:16 And, like, you come in with a suit, always.
00:12:19 Well, the nice thing about having a podcast with only two guys.
00:12:22 You look greasy.
00:12:23 if there's if there's two guys on the podcast then there's really no dress code right you could
00:12:27 wear something i wear something and it's like you know but if there's if there's multiple guys on
00:12:30 the show and three of them are wearing one thing one guy is standing out and then feel a little
00:12:34 bit weird but yeah no i thought he nailed him to the wall like he said the george floyd thing that
00:12:38 was a great example where he's like so right so right you can't have any video that uh with
00:12:43 somebody getting killed and he's like so what about the video of george floyd and he's like
00:12:47 oh well right up to the moment of death right exactly what is that yeah but basically what
00:12:51 it came down to what he revealed temple revealed was he said uh oh so there is a standard it's not
00:12:56 a free-for-all because that doesn't exist neutrality is a myth so there is a standard
00:13:00 and what you're saying is that you're the standard like every other big tech you know what
00:13:04 you're the standard at the end of the day you're going to make the call based off of whether you
00:13:08 like it or whether you don't based off it's subjective and it's and you're you're the person
00:13:13 it's your whims and your desires and so and so you're saying yeah we have a standard too it's
00:13:18 the difference is it's God's standard. Right. Yeah. I think, you know, everybody has that
00:13:23 standard. And so, you know, but, but I, I think that's the other difference is whether or not
00:13:29 it's like an actual platform like Gab, where it's more of a tool, whereas we're more of a
00:13:35 storytelling propaganda machine. So we have a little bit more responsibility in terms of what
00:13:42 goes out. But ultimately, we want to trust our artists just to make content that glorifies God
00:13:49 or is just good. That's great. So we were talking a little bit before we started recording,
00:13:55 and you said something that's fantastic, so you got to repeat it. But basically, I was saying,
00:13:58 you first initially reached out to me. So for our audience listening, the way that we got
00:14:03 connected and decided to go ahead and do this episode was, I actually mentioned lore on one
00:14:08 of my previous episodes of Theology Applied. You can watch the episode with Rory Groves. It was a
00:14:12 great episode. Rory's great. He wrote Durable Trades, I think is the name of his book, talking
00:14:18 about men. Just realizing that, okay, man, we are far more dependent on so many different things
00:14:24 than we realized. And God and His province in the last couple of years has kind of opened our eyes
00:14:29 and revealed to us how much dependency we have. And so this idea of wanting to be independent,
00:14:34 wanting to be cancel proof, all these kinds of things, being able to work with your hands
00:14:37 and attach commerce to the household, to the family.
00:14:42 C.R. Wiley has written on this.
00:14:44 And so that was kind of Rory's gig.
00:14:46 And he said a lot of great stuff that I totally agree with.
00:14:49 But there was one portion where we were talking about,
00:14:51 okay, well, what about the Goliaths, the giants in the land?
00:14:55 What about big tech?
00:14:56 What about Twitter?
00:14:57 And what about Netflix?
00:14:58 And what about this?
00:14:59 And Rory's position is that we can, by having durable trades
00:15:05 and being dependent on no one,
00:15:06 which the scripture does talk about that, you know, working quietly with your hands,
00:15:09 being dependent on no one, then we can outlast them, that Babylon falls. And I said that in
00:15:14 agreeing with him. But you reached out and said, you know, well, I think, yeah, sometimes God and
00:15:20 his sovereignty causes, you know, Babylon to fall. But there are also moments where we fight. And you
00:15:25 said a great line. So pick up right there. Yeah. I said that the Israelites wanted to outlast
00:15:32 goliath and it was david that wanted to kill him amen that's good right so so so so i mean 0.97
00:15:38 the israelites could have outlasted the philistines i'm sure they could have and they
00:15:42 could have also you know the egyptians and the israelites could they could have outlasted the
00:15:47 egyptians and in israel as well um but sometimes you just have to break free you know sometimes
00:15:52 you just have to send down the plagues and kill the firstborn sons and get out of there um and so
00:16:00 and so um i i think you know there's this weird thing with like i think dispensationalism has 0.90
00:16:07 kind of taught us subconsciously even if we're postman i think we still sort of especially now
00:16:14 right we look around us and we're like holy cow like this country is on the but i mean the entire
00:16:21 western world is on the edge of just destruction um and you know we're still holding to this
00:16:27 post-mill theology that says no no things are going to get better i mean i believe that um
00:16:31 and i but i think um when we look around it's easy just to go man right now we just need to
00:16:36 figure out how to be self-sustaining um and not focus on building businesses and economies and
00:16:42 and and i i think what we're seeing now in in the in the in the pagan business world i mean
00:16:49 you look around there is not a single fortune 500 solid protestant christian brand um that is
00:17:00 willing to just defy the government right yeah um there's not a there's not a single one they're
00:17:07 all controlled by marxists they're all controlled by um you know big government or you know they're 0.99
00:17:13 just in this pit of crony capitalism and bribery with politicians and it's just complete nonsense 0.99
00:17:21 um and and the fact that um you know you have maybe chick-fil-a maybe hobby lobby but they don't
00:17:27 speak out right like you don't see the owners of chick-fil-a and hobby lobby on the news talking
00:17:33 about you know how crazy biden is like i haven't seen it hasn't happened one time um uh oh you
00:17:39 know and so and so what i think needs to happen is there needs to be some disruption there in in
00:17:47 sort of the corporate world um that says look we're going to be a massive global brand um we're
00:17:54 going to change the way movies are made tv shows are made people stream and watch entertainment
00:17:58 from home um and then now and then and then and then we're going to absolutely uh put our fists
00:18:04 in the air and defy any sort of ridiculous nonsense and diversity standards. And I think 0.98
00:18:12 that's important, especially for a storytelling vehicle like Laura's to create a thriving company
00:18:22 that can tell amazing propaganda, right? Like that's all stories are propaganda. You know,
00:18:29 we definitely see it in hollywood that's absolutely leftist propaganda and so let's
00:18:35 just not be ashamed about it listen i'll try to hide it let's not be ashamed about it let's just
00:18:38 say yeah okay well if there's going to be a crazy radical uh pro-abortion law um that the government
00:18:47 is passing we're going to start pumping out amazing anti-abortion films uh that no one will
00:18:53 touch that won't get distribution in theaters that theaters won't run we'll stream them on
00:18:57 our platform you know if if uh you know there's you know let's have let's have uh movies where 0.90
00:19:03 the tranny is the bad guy like how come you never see that right right like you know let's have 0.96
00:19:09 movies where horror movies like that right so i mean there's all sorts of things you can do 0.94
00:19:14 all sorts of stories that can be told that no one has the guts to tell and we just want to be that
00:19:18 platform people just have guts um and i think there's a lot of i think there's a lot of opportunity
00:19:23 there um and and it is only going to work in the way that we want it to if it's a global brand and
00:19:29 we've always said from the beginning um this is just something either god is going to bless or
00:19:33 he's not um right so it's like that rock is going to hit day goliath in the head or it's not right
00:19:40 and it's a sovereign will and direction of god what happens but somebody has to throw it
00:19:46 someone has to throw it um and and so i i think we do see in a huge example here where you know
00:19:54 even in even in the secular world so right like you know like take like the daily wire um who
00:19:59 wants to be respected by hollywood right like they want to be invited to the parties they don't want
00:20:03 to completely destroy and end hollywood right um and whereas we're like no no we want to make
00:20:10 hollywood irrelevant um just like the printing press did to the catholic church back in the day
00:20:17 right like so so we see these i mean you know the printing press i think is a great example of a
00:20:22 huge massive global brand that wasn't just about self-sustaining that disrupted the entire world
00:20:28 yeah and and so i think i think there's a lot more opportunity in the future of the world for
00:20:32 those sort of things it might not be now but hopefully maybe what we do is an example um for
00:20:38 future generations as to what can be done and stuff like that so yeah no i think it's good
00:20:44 i like that uh in light of the daily wire you mentioned them and you know um i remember there
00:20:50 was something that jerry jeremy boyne recently said you know because they've started to get
00:20:53 into film and things like that you know the uh run run fight hide i think was one of their films
00:20:57 they got another one coming and picking up three all i just want to say this real quick yeah three
00:21:03 movies coming out they've announced i think yeah or at least two and then maybe one but they all
00:21:08 contain strong female warrior leads yeah you're right you're right everyone um and this is a
00:21:16 conservative group i want you to see this worldview disconnect this is a conservative group that would
00:21:20 say uh we're against women in the draft right like that's what they would argue against uh but
00:21:26 when it comes to their movies they're trying to appeal to this hollywood industry um and they're
00:21:36 trying to you know say no no look our our movies have some diversity in it you know and it's like
00:21:40 well yeah but you guys are like just disconnected from what you teach on your podcast or what your
00:21:48 movies are right and i think only a christian worldview can understand that consistent ethic
00:21:52 you're right that's a good point that's a that's a you did good pointing out that inconsistency i
00:21:56 didn't even think about that but you're absolutely right uh but one of the comments that jeremy
00:21:59 boring made that i do agree with that i thought was good was he said you know we don't want to
00:22:02 just make movies that you're supposed to watch or that you should watch, but the movies that
00:22:07 you want to watch. And I think Christians have done that historically when it comes to any form 0.87
00:22:11 of art. It's just like, well, this is the thing that you should be watching, or this is the thing 1.00
00:22:16 that you should like, but you don't actually like it. And maybe you don't like it because your
00:22:20 conscience is so seared by sin and this and that, and you're compromised morally. But maybe also
00:22:26 you don't like it because it's just not good. It's just not very good.
00:22:30 yeah i think uh you know i pure flicks is not an art industry they're not worried about art
00:22:38 they're worried about math and data um so that's sort of how they determine you know um you know
00:22:44 here's a well i mean it's a great business right so i mean when you when you look at and you say
00:22:48 um your movies aren't going to be in the theaters uh for more than maybe two or three weeks because
00:22:55 they're christian films right so they're not going to have a long life um so you need to figure out
00:22:59 a way to sell your films on dvd and so they realized that they could sell their dvds in
00:23:04 the christian bookstores well who's the target audience for a christian bookstore right well
00:23:08 it's 35 year old moms and so they just started based on math just making all their movies and
00:23:15 tv shows towards that market like even um um you know i mean yeah pretty much everything they do
00:23:21 um is is geared for women to watch even if it's a a story about men like let's say courageous or
00:23:28 fireproof it's still for the woman right like um it's for the woman to bring her husband to sit
00:23:34 through right uh but but that's uh that's uh that's just how that market is and i think you
00:23:41 just give artists freedom and just say man just make whatever you want you're christian you know
00:23:45 it's like athanasius or augustine said you know love god and make what you want yeah so no that's
00:23:51 good um yeah so with with the david and goliath thing i think that that's super helpful and you're
00:23:57 right. Like whether it be Hobby Lobby or Chick-fil-A, it's like, all right, we're not going
00:23:59 to bend to this or something. And there has been some concessions, but we're going to hold the
00:24:04 line. We're going to hold the line. We're going to hold the line. We're not going to kowtow. We're
00:24:07 not going to compromise. But David shows up on the scene to hand some cheese to his brothers
00:24:14 and check on them and see how they're doing. He sees all the armies of Israel and his response
00:24:20 is, why has no one shut him up? He's out here taunting the armies of Israel day after day.
00:24:27 day and and his his you know rhetoric he it's not enough to just like well we can't compromise or
00:24:32 you know we can't go back to our homes you got hold the line we got to stay here as long as it
00:24:36 takes you know and try not to let them see you shiver try not but david like actually goes up 0.74
00:24:41 and says you uncircumcised philistine who are you to taunt the armies of living god today i will 0.99
00:24:48 chop off your head and feed your carcass to the birds and you don't see you know the ceo of chick 1.00
00:24:54 fillet saying that you know and that's what you're saying and i think you're right we we need 0.98
00:24:58 people who don't see the ceo you don't see the ceo of pureflix saying that yeah you're right
00:25:03 right you're right yeah you don't see um you don't you know you don't see uh you know reach records
00:25:08 right they're not saying that right they're you know sony bought both of them and well we should
00:25:12 ask a question it's like why is sony buying up all these christian media companies and why are
00:25:17 we letting them right and and and so and so like there's all these sort of things and i think part
00:25:23 of it is just because sony's a japanese company and they look at america from you know overseas
00:25:27 and they're like well christianity is still important to america it's part of what it is
00:25:32 so sony just thinks well if we're going to be in the family business we need to have the christian
00:25:37 media companies i don't think it's any i mean i i would think that it's probably not more um
00:25:43 sinister than that but also it could be right you just don't know yeah real so real quick with you
00:25:51 know my point with the whole david thing is i i think in god's providence in his sovereignty
00:25:55 there is an incredible mercy in these last two years with all the madness you know coming out
00:26:01 and and really the veil being lifted with you know with just neo-marxist and you know totalitarian
00:26:07 government and all these kind of things that here's the mercy um i think the mercy is so david 0.72
00:26:13 goes forward and he challenges goliath you uncircumcised philistine you know somebody 0.99
00:26:16 needs to chop off your head and i'm going to do it you know and feeds your body you know your 1.00
00:26:20 carcass to the birds. Now, if that had happened, well, still even today, we'd probably have some 1.00
00:26:25 trouble from the evangelical fish. But if that had happened, you know, just even two years ago, 0.60
00:26:28 five years ago, a David type goes and challenges the enemies of God and uses that kind of rhetoric.
00:26:35 The first thing that he should watch is not his front, but his back. Because Israel, 0.68
00:26:41 aka the American church, would actually be the ones slamming him, throwing rocks at him,
00:26:46 throwing spears at him saying, you're harsh and you're not being like Jesus. But the beauty of
00:26:52 the David situation is that the Philistines were at war and they had made their intentions of war 0.97
00:26:59 clear. The Philistines made it clear to Israel that they didn't want to coexist, that they
00:27:05 weren't a neutral party, but that they wanted everything and that they were going to kill 0.99
00:27:10 or enslave every single last one of them. And so because Philistines' intentions were clear, 0.92
00:27:16 That they hate us. They hate us and they hate our God. Israel didn't mind David standing up to them. So David didn't have to face two enemies flanking him simultaneously, the actual enemy, and then the people wearing the Christian t-shirt that really should just go ahead and walk over to the other side because that's where they actually belong. 0.97
00:27:39 So my point is, I think that in God's providence, as things have heated up and as the enemies of God, the pagans in our land have more overplayed their hand and revealed their intentions, that they actually, they hate liberty, they hate wealth, they hate children, they hate marriage, they hate family, they hate God, and they hate Christians. 0.71
00:28:03 And everyone who loves those things, they want to absolutely dismantle, destroy, all
00:28:08 those kinds of, as that's becoming more and more clear, I've just even realized, just
00:28:12 as podcasting and as a pastor, I get far less criticism.
00:28:17 I'm sure I'll get some even with this video, but I get far less criticism for being harsh
00:28:22 than I used to.
00:28:24 And I think part of it is because all of a sudden, I don't have to convince as many
00:28:27 people that there actually is an enemy that actually hates God and hates God's people.
00:28:32 Whereas before, I think one of the reasons why there was always the criticism of you're
00:28:36 being too harsh is because there was too much sympathy.
00:28:40 There was too much intermarriage and mixing between the people of God and the pagans.
00:28:45 And now I think that's so that things have been hard these last couple of years, but
00:28:49 I think that's a real mercy.
00:28:50 And I'm encouraged by that, you know, with the post-mill perspective, I see that as how
00:28:54 things get better.
00:28:55 So how do things get better when a nation is compromised and apostatizing?
00:28:59 Well, I think one of the ways that it gets better is first it gets a little worse, you
00:29:04 know, and that's what God uses to call men to courage and to stand up and fight.
00:29:08 So all that being said, I hope that, you know, even though it's horrible on the one
00:29:12 hand, the grace in it on the other is as Hollywood is unapologetic and unashamed with like cuties 0.83
00:29:19 on Netflix, you know, and as they're even starting to normalize not just gay, you know,
00:29:25 relationships but pedophilia as as they just completely overstep their bounds and overplay
00:29:31 their hand um i think you know that you're going to have an even better and better chance
00:29:36 not just being neutral and not just you know free speech but actually being blatantly against
00:29:41 that well i think that's why you know you have the the effeminate b-side gospel coalition writers
00:29:48 right who are who are just you know just can't get a single retweet on any article they share
00:29:54 on twitter and then you have you know someone like uh you know uh you know ad who's like getting
00:30:02 more views on his youtube channel than the gospel coalition is on you know right and it's like why
00:30:08 is that you know why is joe rogan the most listened to podcast in the history of the world
00:30:13 right well it's because people want a man yeah right people want to be they want someone who's
00:30:19 going to be harsh. Um, I mean, you know, the judgment on us is that it's Joe Rogan and not
00:30:25 someone, uh, you know, not a Christian podcaster. Right. Um, and, and, and I think that's the
00:30:31 judgment, but I think, um, I think it should give us, uh, strength to go, you know what,
00:30:37 we can be hard too. Um, you know, we, we, we can, we can go harder and we can, we don't have to
00:30:42 worry about being winsome and all that other nonsense that, uh, the gospel coalition is
00:30:47 failing with right they're they're pushing this narrative of winsomeness and niceness and
00:30:53 effeminacy and the thing is and again and they're and they're losing right it's not like look at
00:30:58 their data right like go to their youtube channel you can see like their upload rates are like they
00:31:04 maybe have two or three hundred views we go to apologia studios is uh channel who talks about
00:31:09 abortion and all sorts of uh uh how you say uh uh stuff the algorithm hates on youtube and they're
00:31:16 still killing um the niceties of the gospel coalition so i think um i think uh when you
00:31:23 see that you just go okay there's obviously a market there uh for i like to say there's a market
00:31:29 for violence like there there's a market for that yeah um and if nothing else godly a godly violence
00:31:36 right there's a there's a market for god a godly fight godly violence and and really what you're
00:31:40 saying there's a market for masculinity half yeah really half the market is a market you don't even
00:31:48 have masculinity in the fashion industry look at carhartt right yeah like they have all these
00:31:53 strong men who like you know farmers and you know blue collar people wearing this stuff and
00:32:00 carhartt just backed out and they're like and their whole audience base is like wait a minute
00:32:05 we don't even have fashion right what there's nothing for men not even a shirt it blew my
00:32:13 mind that like starbucks dropped their mandate for the vaccine and i have a theory as to why
00:32:18 they did that why yeah what is it my theory is uh because uh thus saith their lord um and so
00:32:27 the supreme court ruled and they obeyed their government they i mean they obeyed their their
00:32:33 master right um so i think that's why they did it i don't think it was like yeah we're anti everyone's
00:32:38 like yeah here's my theory i think it's because starbucks is you know it's it's all over the
00:32:45 nation all over the world but um a lot of higher-ups and people you know from the ground
00:32:50 up where starbucks started is seattle portland you know and even though these are people who
00:32:54 are super liberal when it comes to sexual agenda and all those kinds of things yeah they also
00:32:59 there's this weird overlap where it's like yeah we're all homosexual but we also are anti-vax
00:33:03 yeah they're also i think i think the hippie you know i mean the hippie vibe might have won the
00:33:08 day but yeah they're also capitalists in the sense of you know their job is to make a lot of money
00:33:15 right right i'm not maybe maybe they might publicly they don't speak like they're capitalists but
00:33:20 in their work uh they certainly do um and and and so i think um you know there's this i like to say
00:33:27 that like capitalism is one of those tools that god has given man to restrain evil yeah um i think
00:33:34 you see that with um uh you know when a while back ago when when chick-fil-a you know stood
00:33:40 their ground against the homosexual movement um it just emboldened the conservatives even more 0.55
00:33:46 and then eventually the homosexuals just disappeared and stopped worrying about chick-fil-a 0.82
00:33:50 um and and and so you know there was just sort of this there's always seems to be this sort of thing 0.92
00:33:56 where God in His common grace has given economics as a means to restrain evil.
00:34:06 Because I know if I want to buy something you do or you've made,
00:34:11 I would trust, based on the transaction alone and the covenant we're making
00:34:17 in that purchase, is that I'm giving you money and I expect it to be good.
00:34:23 And you're going to work hard and make it good and not rip me off
00:34:26 because you want to make more money and you want me to tell my friends and that word of mouth sort
00:34:30 of thing. So that is complete common grace to stop evil and greed. We see this too, like with
00:34:37 all these, everyone's like, oh, we need to regulate the Bitcoin market. We need to regulate
00:34:41 the Bitcoin industry. And there's all these scammers, everybody, like there's tons of scams
00:34:46 in the Bitcoin industry. But I feel like people are being made more aware and they're being more
00:34:50 cautious in their investments and like which coins they invest in or not. So it seems like
00:34:55 even without the government involved there's this complete free market sort of thing where you see
00:34:59 you know there's youtube videos exposing scammers and all this sort of stuff and people are just
00:35:04 becoming more and more aware in a just completely without any government involvement of hey maybe i
00:35:08 shouldn't invest in that you know right so you're always going to have you know wicked companies and
00:35:14 all that sort of stuff but ideally they go out of business right like carhartt like that's what we
00:35:20 want to see right we want to see carhartt go out of business yep that's right so um with the back
00:35:24 to the winsome thing i i hate that word you know if i had a dollar every time somebody said you
00:35:29 should be winsome i'd be a rich man but uh with the you know the gospel coalition and you know
00:35:35 advocating for winsomeness i think one of the things is again that's been revealed recently
00:35:39 and one of the reasons why people aren't clicking on their stuff i don't think it's just because
00:35:42 they're there it's unattractive the message of niceness um i think it's because um it's being
00:35:47 revealed that they're not nice right it's um at the end of the day uh again it's not whether but
00:35:52 which gospel, the reason why they're shoving winsomeness and niceness and effeminate gentleness,
00:35:59 gentleness is not effeminate, but an effeminate form of gentleness down their listeners' throats
00:36:04 is not so that they'll be nice to everyone, not so that they'll be gentle to everyone,
00:36:10 but so that they'll be nice and gentle towards liberal progressives. So that they'll be nice
00:36:16 and gentle towards Biden. So they'll be nice and gentle.
00:36:19 David French.
00:36:19 Yeah, David, yeah, exactly. You know, Colin, what's the other one? What's the other one? Francis Collins. That's it. Yeah, that's it. Francis Collins. Exactly. Yeah, well, yeah, he was right there with Russell Moore, you know, with Tim Keller and all this.
00:36:33 what yeah i said 100 yeah so so they're saying be nice to them but what simultaneously is
00:36:40 happening is is in their demands that christians fulfill the law of love and be nice to this party
00:36:47 over here um what what happens by way of consequence is hatred towards this party over here
00:36:53 right that all these people are losing their jobs now you know um so because we're being nice to them
00:36:59 and we're not allowed to fight, they're getting their way and tyranny is taking the day and people
00:37:05 are losing their jobs and their livelihoods and there's no more medical freedom. And so kids are
00:37:11 having to wear masks at school. And so I think people are just starting to realize it's not just
00:37:15 that nice doesn't sell because it's uninteresting or it's boring. It's the fact that people are
00:37:21 realizing they're not actually nice. They're not nice. They're nice to the bad guys and they're
00:37:26 cruel to their own. Yeah, that's right. By the way, you mentioned bodily autonomy and that sort
00:37:35 of thing. Isn't it interesting that it's now the Christians that are pushing the my body, 1.00
00:37:40 my choice narrative? Isn't that God's poetic justice? I think towards them, I think that's 1.00
00:37:47 sort of the judgment they've brought upon themselves is they've been pushing this,
00:37:51 So my body, my choice, I'll die for this right.
00:37:53 And now they've given it up immediately. 0.99
00:37:57 And now the Christians are like, okay, well, 0.99
00:37:59 we'll tell you exactly what this means in the right way to wield it. 0.96
00:38:02 Right.
00:38:03 That right.
00:38:03 And so that is a, that's a good story.
00:38:07 Every, every judgment God does has some sort of poetic artistry to it.
00:38:11 And I think that's part of it.
00:38:12 Yep.
00:38:12 That's a good story.
00:38:13 Well, okay.
00:38:14 So let's, let's spend the rest of our time.
00:38:16 We don't have to spend too long,
00:38:17 but just tell our listeners more about lore and how they can get involved
00:38:20 and what, you know, what's coming down the pipeline dates, times, what can we expect?
00:38:25 Yeah.
00:38:26 So we're going to be doing our beta very soon.
00:38:31 And I mean, very soon, hopefully within, I would say the next month.
00:38:35 Wow.
00:38:36 And so one thing you want to do is you want to join the mailing list.
00:38:40 If you go to lore.tv, there's a subscriber mailing list and join that mailing list.
00:38:45 And we'll send out an email once the beta starts.
00:38:48 And then that'll be invite only thing.
00:38:50 Um, and then from there, uh, we'll slowly transition into, um, an actual functioning
00:38:57 product where you're funding films and TV shows.
00:39:00 And, um, hopefully we'll just continue to snowball from there, but that's, that's the
00:39:05 plan.
00:39:06 Uh, so, so, so that's, uh, very soon.
00:39:09 Um, we don't have an exact date, but I'll just say it's, it's, it's coming up pretty
00:39:13 quickly.
00:39:13 uh and and and uh and and then um the the goal really is we're we we have amazing projects that
00:39:22 just are not going to be made anywhere else um uh if you look at like sage for example that uh
00:39:28 uh that that we just dropped uh cody halford is the guy that did it um and he he pitched this
00:39:36 you know the story of uh it's a new age couple where one of the um one of the
00:39:43 one of one of the group one of the persons in the couple um becomes a christian uh and then
00:39:53 the other person takes the them on a tour across the united states all this new age stuff to try
00:39:59 to get them back to new age theology and it was just such a it was too dark for pureflix i mean
00:40:05 this is a guy who's already sold stuff so there's stuff like that and then of course laura clauston's
00:40:09 project which which actually has kevin sorbo with it um who's doing the voiceover for they're doing
00:40:14 these short animated cartoons uh sort of like you would see on disney plus right you have these
00:40:19 shorts but these are all shorts related to uh graphically telling you about abortion um animated
00:40:26 like through animation and uh man let me tell you um it is one of i i saw just the the sketch
00:40:35 the sketches of the first episode and it's one of the most powerful pieces of art i've ever seen in
00:40:40 my life um just truly incredible um and uh kevin's already did a great job with that and then
00:40:48 um but but the thing is that these these are all being animated by like secret disney animators
00:40:53 right like you know either past or present and so and so you know this is you know these people
00:40:59 exist out there and they want to make stuff like this um and and and so you know so they're not
00:41:05 just nobodies who we found on youtube who can draw like these are professions um um and uh you
00:41:13 know so there's that and then you know dark collar is um a a reform perspective of ghost hunting is
00:41:20 probably the best way to say it is a documentary series um except uh you know it's it's a it's a
00:41:25 real uh biblical look at you know demon possession you know you know actual demon possession and you
00:41:31 know a small coal mining town uh where everyone's on meth and drugs i've always wanted to see some
00:41:37 some kind of you know exorcism you know demonic kind of thing that's not catholic it's always
00:41:43 catholic yeah i think in the reform perspective uh i think you know uh an exorcism is just
00:41:49 salvation yeah um and and so it's really cool ghost hunting sort of you know like series and
00:41:57 then the other thing we have is uh you know uh follow the dead is an amazing um uh comedy irish
00:42:03 comedy zombie movie horror movie that's cool so so that's just something you know you're just not
00:42:09 going to get that sort of stuff and so these these movies will be progressing on the platform and um
00:42:13 as our subscriber base grows you'll be able we'll be able to fund more and more um and you know we're
00:42:19 We are, we have, uh, you know, the PKs by the way, um, is, is fantastic.
00:42:23 What's that? 1.00
00:42:24 The PKs.
00:42:25 Yeah.
00:42:25 The PKs is a comedy sitcom starring show Baraka.
00:42:28 I don't know if you're familiar with him.
00:42:29 He's a hip hop artist, Christian hip hop artist.
00:42:32 Uh, so it's starring show Baraka and, uh, it's about, uh, uh, uh, a, a, a multiracial
00:42:38 family, um, who is trying to, uh, the father is the pastor of a church and he's, uh, balancing,
00:42:46 um you know keeping his household in order and his church in order all at the same time and
00:42:50 it's really cool really cool comedy that you see as as the household deteriorates the church does
00:42:57 too and then like it's this really cool narrative on that um and so that's that pilot's actually
00:43:02 we already shot that it's being edited now um and and so there's a lot of stuff and there's a lot
00:43:07 more stuff um that i'm really excited about um that that we'll be announcing as as we grow that's
00:43:15 Awesome, Marcus. So real quick, tell our listeners and tell me, I'm curious. So how does the financial model work? Netflix, it's a monthly thing, but you said you get to choose. So what does somebody pay to watch Lore?
00:43:29 Yeah, I'm not going to answer those questions yet.
00:43:32 Okay.
00:43:33 That'll all come out as we do beta testing
00:43:35 and get the data and stuff like that
00:43:37 that we need to be able to answer those questions
00:43:39 and the specifics of it.
00:43:41 But yeah, I'll keep that as a surprise for now.
00:43:48 But yeah, so when you talk about the financial model,
00:43:52 I say that we've been very successful
00:43:54 with very little at this point.
00:43:56 We've raised half a million for our first seed round, which is nothing in the film industry.
00:44:03 I mean, people spend $20 or $30 million on a Christian movie, and that's just one movie, right?
00:44:12 And we've done, you know, we've raised $500,000, and we've already acquired, you know, at least maybe 10 to 12 projects that we hope to launch soon.
00:44:22 So, I mean, like, we're crushing it.
00:44:25 And so, you know, which, which is good for, you know, could perhaps some people in your
00:44:29 audience are really experienced investors just to know that, you know, you don't have
00:44:37 to invest in one movie.
00:44:39 You can invest in the platform that'll make all the movies, right? 1.00
00:44:43 Like that's the real, the real goal, especially for Christians. 1.00
00:44:47 We want to take dominion.
00:44:48 And so one of that ways we do that is take dominion of stories.
00:44:52 Cool.
00:44:53 Surprise, surprise.
00:44:54 we'll save it for a surprise $500 a month that's a surprise that's why you don't want to say if you
00:45:00 want yeah all right cool well any market allows i'm cool with it yeah right that's true yeah there's
00:45:07 no there's no there's no uh cap you can always pay more yeah um all right any last final thoughts
00:45:13 for our listeners no just uh you know go to lore tv there we know said there's a subscriber uh tab
00:45:19 but there's also a creator tab. And then if you're an artist or filmmaker, you work in the
00:45:24 industry and you have an idea you want to pitch to us, go to the creator tab. And then there's
00:45:30 an investor tab too, if you're an accredited investor and would like to know more about
00:45:33 what we can do in that sense, just let us know. We're looking for obviously investors with money,
00:45:44 but our main priority is that they're not cowards and they have a backbone and
00:45:49 they're not going to cave to cancel culture. That's really important to us.
00:45:53 Cool. Well, thanks so much for coming on the show, Marcus. I appreciate it.
00:45:56 Yeah, man. Thanks for having me.
00:45:58 Thanks so much for listening, but real quick, before you go,
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