The NXR Podcast - THEOLOGY APPLIED - Colonizing The Moon & Mars From A Biblical Worldview

00:00:00.440 Applying God's Word to every aspect of life. This is Theology Applied.

00:00:12.620 Hi, this is Pastor Joel with Right Response Ministries. This is another episode of our podcast slash show called Theology Applied.

00:00:20.340 Today I'm privileged to have as a special guest, Rod Martin.

00:00:23.960 I first met Rod Martin last fall at the Fight Laugh East Conference in Franklin near Nashville, Tennessee.

00:00:31.580 And I've just been impressed by his work.

00:00:34.740 He's done a lot with the SBC.

00:00:36.160 He does a lot of partnering with Founders Ministries, with Tom Askell and Jared Longshore, who we greatly appreciate.

00:00:42.360 Jared Longshore has been a guest on our show as well.

00:00:45.120 So without further ado, Rod Martin, would you take a moment and introduce yourself and tell our guest a little bit about who you are and what you do?

00:00:52.420 Well, sure. Thank you.

00:00:53.960 I'm kind of prone to saying I'm just a poor kid from Arkansas, which is appropriate for what we're going to be talking about here in a minute.

00:01:02.700 We have, you know, a background in our family of immigrants and, you know, poverty and farming and, you know, school teachers and things like that.

00:01:13.880 But my first job out of law school was as policy director for Governor Mike Huckabee.

00:01:19.160 and then I was part of starting PayPal and we do a bunch of things in biotech and internet spaces

00:01:25.240 and we have a hedge fund that we're looking increasingly in the direction of an aerospace

00:01:30.720 play and all of those things are possible because because God has given us freedom in this country

00:01:37.920 this is an amazing place it is not a perfect place of course but America was founded on what

00:01:43.820 are unquestionably christian ideas and ideals uh perhaps none so plain as those enunciated in the

00:01:51.820 declaration of independence that we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created

00:01:56.120 equal they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights not by a constitution

00:02:02.940 not by a bill of rights not by a government but by their creator with unalienable rights

00:02:08.880 among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And of course,

00:02:13.620 pursuit of happiness was not just some Jeffersonian flourish. It was the idea that

00:02:18.300 men and women are gifted differently, that they have different visions planted in their hearts

00:02:24.400 by the Lord, and that they should be free to pursue those visions and callings differently

00:02:30.280 with different outcomes. And that has been the glory of America, that people can come here and

00:02:36.460 be absolutely anything. And it's the greatest society in the history of the world because of

00:02:42.940 that. What are a few of the up-and-coming industries that Christians should be prayerfully

00:02:47.420 considering involvement or investing in? What are you excited about right now?

00:02:52.540 No, there are an awful lot of things. The thing I'm probably most excited about

00:02:56.300 is what Elon Musk is doing at SpaceX. And we are looking at launching a company,

00:03:03.200 pun intended uh in that same general area uh in the next few years so i'll come right back to that

00:03:11.660 there are a lot of opportunities right now the the rate at which technology is progressing is

00:03:18.000 accelerating uh over 90 percent of the things that humans know have been discovered just in

00:03:24.240 the last 15 years it's unbelievable what's happening on many many fronts and uh you know

00:03:30.380 right now there's a very large and well-financed trend on the left called ESG investing. That's

00:03:38.700 environmental, social justice, corporate governance-based investing. They are harnessing a

00:03:44.820 shocking, shocking amount of money, trillions and trillions of investor dollars to basically

00:03:52.160 advance leftist causes and to do so sacrificing investor returns. And you say, well, you know,

00:03:59.640 I don't care about a bunch of fat cats investor returns. Who cares? Well, yeah, but most investors

00:04:05.760 aren't fat cats. They're your grandma down in a retirement home in Sarasota. And people don't

00:04:12.520 realize that. The biggest public shareholder in this country is CalPERS, the California Public

00:04:18.760 Employee Retirement System. So these are just the little guys. Most money on the market is little

00:04:26.120 guys and it's important that their money not be harnessed to do things they don't believe in

00:04:31.860 and also that their money get the best possible return just like the parable of the talents and

00:04:37.980 the parable of the mountains so uh one of the things that we're advancing is something called

00:04:42.940 lsv investing liberty security values uh which is more in line with where most americans are

00:04:50.160 trying to advance the ideas of liberty, certainly national security. There are a lot of very hostile

00:04:56.680 states in the world, but also many of them with very hostile worldviews. And of course, China is 0.92

00:05:02.680 probably the foremost of those. And then values, which is our way of encapsulating Christian

00:05:09.680 morality and Christian worldview. And LSV investing, we're training thousands of financial

00:05:16.860 advisors right now. We're about to announce a partnership with a major university that we're

00:05:21.600 going to be doing the training in conjunction with very soon. You'll know the name. And so

00:05:27.380 we're training financial advisors in this. There are a lot of opportunities there and they're not

00:05:32.100 necessarily things you'd think of. Like for instance, there's a company that's working

00:05:37.380 on building a liquefied natural gas terminal in Canada that would ship liquefied natural gas or

00:05:43.280 LNG from Alberta to Germany. And you say, well, how the heck does that help anything? Well, very

00:05:49.880 simple. First of all, it's just a good thing. The more energy there is, the more opportunity there

00:05:57.880 is to alleviate poverty. And natural gas reduces everybody's carbon footprint, if you're interested

00:06:03.540 in that sort of thing. It also dramatically increases the viability of the electric cars

00:06:09.340 people are more and more wanting but the biggest thing from my point of view is national security

00:06:13.980 if germany is less dependent on russian natural gas that's a huge win for nato and for the united

00:06:21.780 states and oh by the way some companies here made money instead of some russian oligarchs who want

00:06:26.800 to you know assassinate their political enemies and so so there are ways to invest that are not

00:06:32.080 only very lucrative financially but also very positive for the things we believe in and for

00:06:38.160 the communities that we need to be loyal to. Our own hometown, if we're to love our neighbor as

00:06:43.680 ourself, our first neighbors are the ones right around us, and we certainly want to keep them

00:06:48.400 secure. So there's that, but let me circle back around to space. What's happening right now

00:06:53.580 is absolutely revolutionary. We are at a point that is like unto 1500, you know, right after

00:07:00.600 Columbus sailed. The technology has gone from unpowered rafts to sailing ships, and it's

00:07:08.980 happened in the blink of an eye. When Elon is able to launch fully reusable rockets on a regular

00:07:16.460 basis, and he by himself at SpaceX launched more tonnage into space last year than all other launch

00:07:25.040 providers in the world put together china russia india japan the european space agency boeing

00:07:31.680 lockheed everybody elon launched more tonnage than they all did and he did it cheaper than any

00:07:38.660 of them could and what's happening is is he's bringing the cost down so an atlas 5 launch

00:07:44.300 costs about 150 million dollars and it has cost roughly that for decades because there has been

00:07:51.280 no incentive for Boeing and Lockheed to innovate at all. They get cost plus contracts from the

00:07:56.620 government and they just keep rolling in the dough. Elon didn't have that. Elon made about

00:08:02.980 $180 million at PayPal and he plopped most of it into SpaceX and that's all he gets. NASA gets

00:08:09.700 $20 million a year. Elon gets $180 million one time and he plopped it into things that blow up

00:08:16.580 in midair so you know he had to make it work and or he's going out of business and so he did and

00:08:23.640 it's it's amazing and here's what's happening long story short that launch that costs 150 million

00:08:30.940 dollars anywhere else you might want to go on a falcon 9 costs about 62 million that's a huge

00:08:38.980 savings to the taxpayer and to anybody else launching anything into space but wait there's

00:08:43.740 more because elon's actually doing it for about 30 million so there's a huge profit in that and

00:08:50.440 then wait as his fleet of reusable rockets grows larger and they have more time on the on the

00:08:59.840 vehicles he's getting that cost down to what he's estimating to be about 700 000 a launch now what

00:09:07.600 that means is the difference between you know the atlas fab at 150 million the falcon 9 at 700 000

00:09:14.660 that's the difference almost exactly between buying a ticket on a 737 to fly from here to dallas

00:09:21.540 versus buying a 737 flying it to dallas one time and scrapping it i mean it's just it's a revolution

00:09:31.760 And what that means is we are literally headed toward at least a million people living and working in space by mid-century, access to a shocking amount of stuff, near-Earth asteroids on the moon, et cetera, things that will bring down the price of nearly everything, not just a little, an incredible, incredible percentage, such that everyone in the world, everyone in the world is going to be dramatically affected by that.

00:09:59.820 poverty is going to vanish as we know it people's living standards are going to forgive the term

00:10:07.300 skyrocket and all of that is a function of being able to reach things that have been whizzing past

00:10:13.620 us forever it's like the illustration i gave you with john d rockefeller the oil was in the ground

00:10:19.040 for all those years the wealth wasn't in the ground it was in his head it was the ability

00:10:26.340 to bring it up, refine it, and ship it, and that took some brilliant entrepreneurs to figure out

00:10:33.900 how to do something that no one had ever thought of before. That's what Elon's doing. That's the

00:10:38.200 most exciting technology in the world right now, and it is going to mean that we extend the creation

00:10:43.600 mandate, be fruitful and multiply, fill the open, subdue it, far, far beyond just planet Earth,

00:10:48.880 and it's going to happen pretty fast. I was just thinking the other day, and I thought about

00:10:53.880 Elon Musk. It's so funny that you said all this, but I was just thinking, I was like, man,

00:10:58.980 when civil tyranny was, you know, ratcheting up in England, wasn't it fortunate in the

00:11:06.200 providence of God that there was another place, geographic, physical place that Christians could

00:11:12.320 flee to? And so I don't know if you know my story, but I just left. I was pastoring in California

00:11:16.520 for the last seven years or so. And my family and I, I was just, I don't know, I've got kids.

00:11:22.380 When people ask for, you know, my short answer, the short version of why I left California, I said, I have kids and I love them.

00:11:27.360 So anyway, so we moved.

00:11:28.800 We left California.

00:11:29.820 We're in Texas. 0.99

00:11:30.580 I feel like a valley refugee. 0.77

00:11:32.560 So we're in Texas now.

00:11:36.280 We're in Hutto, Texas.

00:11:37.180 We're basically about 45 minutes northeast of Austin, which Elon Musk also talked about that.

00:11:43.760 And I know Austin's super liberal, but we're in Williamson County.

00:11:46.680 It's more conservative, but there's a lot of opportunity here for ministry and economic opportunity.

00:11:51.200 And Elon Musk even said with Joe Rogan recently, he said, you know, that Austin, he thinks, argues it's going to be the biggest mega boom town in the United States of America in the last 50 years.

00:12:01.140 And so anyways, all that, you know, when England was.

00:12:04.400 Austin and Miami.

00:12:05.780 Those are going to be the centers of the universe.

00:12:08.800 Yep.

00:12:09.220 Yep.

00:12:09.700 I think you're right.

00:12:10.320 And so with England, you know, back in the, you know, racketing up, you know, back in the founding of our nation, you know, the United States, racketing up, you know, persecution and civil tyranny and all these kinds of things, there was a place to go.

00:12:23.240 And so I look at the way our nation's going and I haven't given up hope.

00:12:27.320 I think there's a lot of great stuff.

00:12:28.680 And I think the potential for a resurgence, conservative, biblical resurgence in our nation.

00:12:33.780 But I just, you know, neither of us have a crystal ball and neither of us are prophets or the son of a prophet.

00:12:38.760 And so we don't know exactly what's going to happen. And I just I think as you were talking, I just kept thinking, well, maybe, you know, maybe the next generation of Puritans, maybe we just go to Mars and Mars becomes the Christian planet. 0.94

00:12:53.500 Well, it probably won't be me. It'll probably be the grandkids. But, you know, I want to build the ships they fly on. And we're going to have that opportunity. And that is an inherently positive thing, historically speaking. 0.79

00:13:09.500 When the Puritans came to America, that did not have the immediate impact perhaps on England that one might have hoped, but the long-term consequences of that were a democratic England that respected the civil and human rights of all people.

00:13:28.840 And that was not something you would have imagined under James I.

00:13:33.480 So the positive outworking of there being a frontier was extremely, extremely consequential.

00:13:43.580 So break that down real quick practically for me, like the layman, the ordinary person like me, because you were saying earlier that by having half a million people work in space and bringing that cost down from $150 million to $700,000 for I think you call it the Falcon 9 and all these different things.

00:13:58.840 If we can get that many people in space, that many people working in space, you specifically said that it would virtually eradicate poverty as we know it and drastically raise the standard of living, at least at some level, globally.

00:14:10.820 How?

00:14:11.480 And practically, what does 500,000 people, for instance, on the moon and Mars do for Earth in terms of wealth?

00:14:20.840 Oh, I didn't say half a million.

00:14:22.160 I said a million.

00:14:22.900 And I think by the end of the century, it's going to be a multiple of that.

00:14:27.520 You're going to see some pretty dramatic things happen once this hits critical mass.

00:14:32.640 If you think about it a little bit like the trajectory of the airplane in the last century.

00:14:40.920 So the Wright brothers flew in 1903 and you have some meaningful aircraft participating in World War I a decade later.

00:14:50.920 but you know the the big thing in in aircraft in that time span was the zeppelin you know nobody

00:15:00.160 was really thinking about these airplanes as much more than than uh toys for the most part but then

00:15:05.740 in the 20s uh you had some government contracts left for air mail and they did it right they

00:15:11.420 didn't do it the way nasa has handled uh boeing and lockheed they they said hey if you meet the

00:15:16.780 qualifications, we're going to pay you. Just fly the bloom and mail. Well, that resulted in a

00:15:22.840 plethora of companies that became airlines later and also airline manufacturers to fill the gap.

00:15:30.700 And by the 30s, you have meaningful airlines all over the world. By the 40s, World War II started

00:15:38.900 for America by some airplanes blowing up Pearl Harbor and ended for America when some airplanes

00:15:46.120 flew all the way from Tinian to drop atomic bombs on Japan two years after that you're breaking the

00:15:52.140 sound barrier a decade and a half after that you're walking on the moon and flying on 747s

00:15:57.300 once it hits a certain critical mass it just forgive the term takes off and that's how this

00:16:03.200 is going to work so the question isn't uh the question that is likely to get asked is yeah but

00:16:08.740 in space where would you go it's not like you're going to fly to you know the equivalent of uh

00:16:13.840 disney world or london or something on the moon and that's true except that's not what's going

00:16:21.460 to happen what's going to happen is exactly like the early settlers coming to the americas where

00:16:28.000 there were also no cities there were also you know everything had yet to be built they came

00:16:33.820 looking for gold and they came looking for timber to build ships with and they came looking for

00:16:39.680 tobacco and you know all the things that that could be found here and what we're looking at

00:16:44.920 in space there's there's one asteroid that nasa found a few years ago just whizzing past us every

00:16:51.740 single year uh pretty nearby that the early readings suggest is worth 1.6 trillion dollars

00:17:00.660 all by itself in metals uh there's a there's a isotope called helium 3 that is uh almost

00:17:08.540 impossible to find on earth but it's all over the surface of the moon uh the scientists tell us

00:17:14.420 there's a pretty good chance that helium three uh is the key to large-scale commercially viable

00:17:22.140 fusion energy well that would solve all energy problems on earth forever right there done and

00:17:28.340 you know so there are things out there that aren't here but all the things that are here

00:17:33.960 not not trees and grass obviously but but in terms of minerals and such all the things that are here

00:17:41.000 are there and way more of them so it's just a matter of being able to get to them affordably

00:17:46.840 which is what that cost per pound to orbit problem that Elon is solving is all about

00:17:51.340 and then getting the stuff back or processing it and manufacturing in space itself which is where

00:17:57.940 you're going to start getting those large populations truly you'll want to do that and

00:18:02.560 And I don't have it in for Pittsburgh or anything.

00:18:05.060 I want their industry to thrive too, and it will.

00:18:08.020 But the environmental problems that we're seeing right now,

00:18:11.700 if you're talking about we don't want to open a mine in Colorado

00:18:14.680 because it'll pollute such and such stream,

00:18:17.400 well, it ain't going to pollute a stream on an asteroid.

00:18:20.440 It's not going to cause any problems with drinking water on the moon.

00:18:25.420 And so there are a bunch of second and third order problems that get solved,

00:18:29.860 but it's the plentitude that is just off the chart and that starts you know i'm holding an

00:18:36.700 iphone here and we're we're talking on computers right and if the materials that go into this thing

00:18:42.720 suddenly cost 10 of what they cost today but i can promise you apple's not going to stop building

00:18:50.300 1500 iphones they're going to give you a 1500 iphone that does 10 times as much

00:18:55.800 And so everyone, both materially and non-materially, becomes vastly wealthier. Everything gets better in very much the same way that happened after the colonization of the New World.

00:19:10.500 So we're going into a golden age if we don't squander it. If we go into that socialist nightmare that they're trying to push us into, everyone will be poor and persecuted together.

00:19:23.620 but barring that there's an enormous opportunity here for all of humanity to experience a

00:19:29.640 renaissance and if not then yeah maybe we're the puritans who go to mars and start massachusetts

00:19:36.700 bay right yeah no that's that's super helpful because i was just thinking in practical terms

00:19:42.160 like i was just thinking with space like even if we can get the cost down what what is on the moon

00:19:47.100 that has value so the helium three i had you know literally about that so that okay because i was

00:19:53.120 like are we just going to collect moon dust and does does moon dust do something does it is like

00:19:57.780 fairy dust it makes us like how how is it valuable so i yeah okay but not only that again remember

00:20:04.860 it's a process of discovery there are countless things you can do in space that you can't do here

00:20:10.380 because they're for instance there are all kinds of materials processes manufacturing processes

00:20:15.740 that would work in zero or microgravity much differently than on earth so there are compounds

00:20:24.160 like for instance pharmaceuticals that you could combine in space that you could not ever do on

00:20:29.820 earth and that gives you just an enormous opportunity to cure diseases and and push back

00:20:36.860 the curse in the most practical way that could not ever be done if we don't go there but we also

00:20:42.840 don't know what we will find for instance when when the spanish came to the new world they

00:20:48.820 discovered things like the tomato well nobody was expecting the tomato but can you imagine

00:20:54.520 italy without italian food i mean that's kind of how things were up until the 1500s and then

00:21:01.220 suddenly we have spaghetti and lasagna and all the things that that were known for it you say

00:21:06.100 well that's a silly thing it's not that silly i can't count all the italian restaurants down the

00:21:11.040 so you know the whole world is better when we discover all of the treasures that god has baked

00:21:19.000 into the cake of the universe and we're on the brink of finding a bunch of new ones amen it's a

00:21:24.560 bigger it's our it's a bigger cake than maybe we previously thought and that's because we we serve

00:21:29.740 a bigger god than we often are willing to think so all right rod well thank you so much this has

00:21:35.500 been super helpful and uh well let me just do this uh in terms of kind of a bonus we've already

00:21:42.880 kind of been talking about it and i think our guests are going to be really uh blessed to listen

00:21:47.080 um our our viewers but um is there is there any last kind of maybe you know like with going to

00:21:53.840 space and those kind of things what what are some good companies i guess tesla with elon what are

00:21:59.300 some good companies that christians should i know you don't want to give maybe financial advice but

00:22:04.720 What are some things that maybe Christians should consider investment in?

00:22:09.840 Is that a question you feel comfortable answering? 0.96

00:22:12.260 Sure.

00:22:12.660 I mean, first of all, if you have a financial advisor, I would encourage you to ask your financial advisor to get trained and certified by the NSIC Institute, the National Security Investment Consultant Institute, which I serve on the board on.

00:22:28.000 We are teaching principles of liberty security values or LSV investing to thousands of financial advisors.

00:22:37.900 It is very, very helpful and it is very Christian based.

00:22:41.600 And we have a lot of amazing people involved in that, the Air Force and Space Force generals and all kinds of amazing people.

00:22:50.000 The world's leading expert on financial terrorism is one of our faculty members.

00:22:55.880 And so get your financial advisor to learn some things about where the world is going right now.

00:23:03.900 LSV investing is a thing, and it's going to be a very big one.

00:23:07.120 So there's that.

00:23:08.140 Individual companies, yeah, the tech sector is very strong, and it will continue to be,

00:23:13.340 but I'm more interested in things that create the new world than in things, you know, like another Twitter.

00:23:22.820 It's not that those things don't matter.

00:23:24.820 Twitter's had a lot of impact and it's certainly been a good investment, but you know, there are

00:23:29.660 infrastructure things I think that matter a lot. You saw what happened to Parler being thrown off

00:23:35.680 Amazon's, Amazon web services. There are some plays where we can build out a server infrastructure

00:23:43.460 sufficient to keep our team from getting canceled. There's a company we just took a stake in called

00:23:50.200 AppTech, which is a payment processor, but they're doing a bunch of other things. They've got a

00:23:56.640 product that will compete with Shopify, a bunch of other things like that. And they're not going

00:24:01.100 to throw you off the platform for being a Christian. And that's increasingly a problem

00:24:06.180 with PayPal and a lot of the other major providers. So there are those kinds of things that are kind

00:24:11.180 of defensive place. But then there are these massive opportunities right now where we're

00:24:16.480 really pushing back the curse in some interesting ways and yeah i think tesla is is a very good

00:24:23.720 stock and you know different people have different reasons for liking it uh certainly the

00:24:29.200 environmentalist crowd thinks that somehow burning coal to generate electricity to run your car is

00:24:34.540 better than burning gasoline i really don't understand that logic at all but good for them

00:24:39.420 they should buy a Tesla. That's nice. Make my stock go up. But the bigger thing is that Tesla

00:24:47.760 is creating a product that diversifies the energy mix necessary to keep an auto fleet running.

00:24:55.180 And that is a big national security play. Back in the 70s, when we were held hostage by OPEC,

00:25:01.920 and all these Middle Eastern countries, you know, just decided not to sell us oil, 1.00

00:25:05.580 that put a crimp in the united states economy that was very hard to overcome nearly brought

00:25:11.540 us to our knees not once but twice tesla is a play on diversifying the kinds of energy

00:25:17.820 that can run a modern economy and that's a positive thing spacex isn't public but uh virgin

00:25:24.920 galactic is and and there there are a number of space plays right now that i think could be very

00:25:30.980 very strong over the next several years and certainly several decades and you know I really

00:25:38.960 believe that we're going to see an explosion in life extension technology and people have not

00:25:47.240 taken this as seriously perhaps as they should because it sounds like science fiction but you

00:25:52.720 know we had a young blood cover of Newsweek this past week and you know things are starting to

00:25:58.920 creep in we are showing scientifically that you can reverse the biological age of a human being

00:26:06.600 there are technologies that are already available that can meaningfully become perhaps not a fountain

00:26:12.840 of youth but maybe a fountain of middle age and reverse reverse your apparent age you know even

00:26:19.040 if you're in your 60s or 70s to something more like 40 these things are not entirely mainstream

00:26:24.220 yet, but the science is advancing extremely rapidly. We're in the biotech sector pretty

00:26:29.780 heavily right now, and I can just tell you there are some miraculous things coming down the pike

00:26:35.980 quicker than people think, and it really will change the world. I'll just say one last thing

00:26:40.780 on that. My friend Patrick Cox, who for years wrote the Transformative Technology Alert

00:26:46.180 and probably reads more medical journals than any living human being, Patrick did a statistical

00:26:53.980 analysis on what human life expectancy would be if you could factor out all of the things that

00:27:01.880 you know just could randomly happen like getting hit by a bus or you know catching COVID or

00:27:07.940 something like that and based on the data available he calculated that human life

00:27:15.000 expectancy could be as much as 750 years if you could control for those things well that's starting

00:27:21.660 to look a lot like Genesis. You know, God created us. God made us a certain way. When science starts

00:27:29.540 figuring out some of the mechanisms of action on some of these things, you're going to see something

00:27:34.200 that looks more and more and more like scripture and not different from scripture. And while I

00:27:40.680 don't think you're going to see anybody with a 700-year lifespan anytime soon, it is perfectly

00:27:45.620 possible that you and i could live to 120 i probably need to go on a diet to achieve that

00:27:51.600 but still you know in our lifetime that's very feasible 120 is real and we're seeing people live

00:27:58.260 that long but you could see that extended to a large percentage of the population and in my

00:28:03.080 grandchildren's age 150 is very reasonable not as a shriveled up prune who can't do anything and is

00:28:11.420 in a wheelchair but actually with a similarly lengthy health span and it just changes everything

00:28:17.640 if you could increase productive human life expectancy just three years where people are

00:28:25.000 actually productive and working during that time right it would completely solve all the actuarial

00:28:30.220 problems we have with social security and medicare so just small incremental change

00:28:36.220 is really dramatic in what it does for all mankind.

00:28:40.940 And we're going to see things that are a lot bigger than small.

00:28:45.300 Super interesting.

00:28:46.340 Rod, thank you so much for coming on the show.

00:28:48.100 We really appreciate it.

00:28:49.560 Hey, you bet.

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The NXR Podcast - May 26, 2021

THEOLOGY APPLIED - Colonizing The Moon & Mars From A Biblical Worldview

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