The NXR Podcast - THEOLOGY APPLIED - Dave Rubin： Why ＂Conservative＂ Is Not Enough

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00:00:18.020 In this episode of Theology Applied, I was privileged to have Delano Squires,

00:00:21.460 who is a regular contributor for The Blaze.

00:00:24.220 We discuss his most recent article where he addresses the transgender issue.

00:00:28.980 He addresses Leah Thomas, a hulking dude taking trophies away from girls and swim meets. 0.84

00:00:33.920 He also addresses Dave Rubin and his big announcement of adopting two children with his gay partner

00:00:39.700 and how many conservative outlets like The Blaze came out and congratulated Dave Rubin.

00:00:46.420 PragerU would be another example of that.

00:00:48.240 So we talk about how being conservative is not enough.

00:00:50.980 At the end of the day, it's either Christ or chaos.

00:00:54.580 Applying God's word to every aspect of life.

00:00:58.020 This is Theology Applied.

00:01:04.940 All right, welcome to another episode of Theology Applied.

00:01:07.640 I am your host, Pastor Joel Webin with Right Response Ministries.

00:01:10.580 And in today's episode, I am privileged to have as a special guest, Delano Squires, who

00:01:15.800 sadly lives in the D.C. area.

00:01:19.120 He's in the heart of Babylon right now, but the Lord is being faithful and keeping him,

00:01:24.360 his wife, his family safe.

00:01:25.680 what he does that most people are probably familiar with him is a regular contributor to

00:01:32.120 the blaze he's written for multiple publications and outlets in the past but that's where you can

00:01:36.460 probably find him most often these days is writing for the blaze so without further ado

00:01:40.900 delano thanks for coming on the show tell our our listeners a little bit about yourself

00:01:45.020 well thank you for having me pastor joel um my name is delano squires as you said i'm

00:01:50.940 currently a contributor with the blaze um i write uh for the blaze twice a week and i player appear

00:01:57.340 twice a week on the uh podcast fearless with jason woodlock so we talk all we talk politics we talk

00:02:06.140 culture we talk faith we talk race um prior to writing for the blaze i've written for the root

00:02:13.820 the griot and the federalist um i actually got started writing probably a little more than 10

00:02:20.560 years ago for a website called black and married with kids which was created to provide more

00:02:26.020 positive images of you know black married couples and families at the time i was the only single

00:02:31.740 writer um and you know went from there and just started to write for other publications have my

00:02:38.420 own blog for a period of time. And now I'm, I'm all with the blade. So I really love what I'm doing

00:02:44.540 and yeah, people can check me out there. Great. So I, uh, I became familiar with you really just

00:02:51.080 more recently in the last couple of months. Um, my wife turned me on to you because she likes to

00:02:55.300 listen to Ali Beth Stuckey and you were a guest on her show recently. Um, and then you sent me

00:02:59.800 an article and I looked at some other ones that you've written and I thought that you did a great

00:03:03.340 job. And, uh, the most recent, well, maybe it's probably not the most recent. Is it your most

00:03:08.060 recent article at the time right now that we're recording the one that we were going to discuss

00:03:12.460 yes okay yes so by the time this comes out it may come out in a week or so so it probably won't be

00:03:18.080 delano's most recent material but what was the title of this article that we were going to discuss

00:03:22.120 remind me this one is um i'm paraphrasing what when it comes to something effective when it

00:03:30.940 comes to christians we we sorry hold on no go ahead i actually got it on my phone so if you

00:03:37.860 The choice for Christian conservatives, Christ or chaos.

00:03:42.000 That's right. 0.79

00:03:42.520 The choice for Christian conservatives, Christ or chaos. 0.83

00:03:44.640 I hate to put you on the spot. 0.82

00:03:45.920 I thought, surely he remembers the title of his own article, but maybe not.

00:03:50.060 You probably, I mean, if you're writing twice a week.

00:03:52.140 Yeah.

00:03:52.360 If you're writing twice a week, I get that.

00:03:54.400 I get people always, you know, they'll ask me, well, you know, two years ago, you preached

00:03:57.840 a sermon on such and such.

00:03:59.400 And what did you mean by, and I'm like, I don't remember that.

00:04:04.260 You know, the scary thing though, is it's all recorded, you know?

00:04:07.080 And so, and, and that's why, you know, Charles Spurgeon, they said Charles Spurgeon, he rarely

00:04:13.000 would ever speak on a particular theological subject unless he was completely made up in

00:04:18.020 his mind.

00:04:19.000 And so you don't see actually throughout the life of his ministry, you don't see a lot

00:04:22.900 of retractions.

00:04:23.880 I sadly did not have some of that wisdom.

00:04:26.480 So when I go back down the rabbit hole, I'm like, oh no, I said that?

00:04:31.420 Did I really say?

00:04:32.560 Grow, grow, grow.

00:04:34.320 Yeah.

00:04:35.100 All right.

00:04:35.500 So let me read an excerpt from your article, and then I just want to pick your brain and see what else we can draw out.

00:04:40.580 So you wrote this. 0.86

00:04:41.900 If 100 men in peak physical condition were stranded on an island with 100 transgender women in 100 years, not a single person on the island would be alive and no new generations would have been created.

00:04:55.320 That is a fact, not an attack. 0.98

00:04:57.480 The question we should answer as a society is whether enshrining such radical changes in our laws and culture is a sign of progress.

00:05:06.160 In 15 years, there will be thousands of adults with serious mental illness and conversion regret who will be rightfully upset at the adults who failed to tell them the truth and love.

00:05:17.560 Some of these individuals will be missing hunks of their flesh from their legs and other parts of their bodies that were used to fashion artificial sex organs.

00:05:25.920 Christian leaders who are largely silent on these issues are neither loving nor kind.

00:05:31.740 The evangelical church should be taking the lead in answering those questions.

00:05:35.560 But an honest observer can see the unspoken compact between the sacred and the secular realms that has developed over time.

00:05:44.000 I thought that was fantastic.

00:05:45.700 What are your further thoughts?

00:05:47.720 What kind of inspired you to write that?

00:05:50.120 I was trying to find a way to really capture sort of the the ideology that we're dealing with.

00:05:59.640 And as someone, you know, I grew up in a church. I grew up in church. I did not come to sort of reform theology, so to speak, until I was maybe five, six years ago.

00:06:12.080 So much, much later in life. So issues around sexual ethics and biblical worldview are ones that were sort of in my orbit.

00:06:23.680 But I didn't I didn't have a fully sort of fleshed out worldview as it related to, you know, sex and marriage and some of these other things.

00:06:33.660 I mean, again, I had I think I had a biblical view of marriage. One man, one woman for one lifetime. Right.

00:06:40.060 but it was hanging in midair a lot of guys right so it's like a lot of guys know what but they

00:06:45.300 didn't know the why so they they have the right view but it's hanging in midair they don't have

00:06:48.520 the framework to actually root it and say it springs out of blank exactly exactly so so when

00:06:54.760 i when i thought about the issues and particularly as it relates to transgenderism right because this

00:06:59.100 is just it's wordplay we we know that a transgender woman is a is a man right he

00:07:05.760 he may have cut his hair he may have um you know wearing women's clothes he may go by a different

00:07:13.200 name but he's still a man every every cell in his body says that he's a male that's right um so i

00:07:18.500 wanted an example that would show exactly how male a transgender woman is so this really was

00:07:28.020 to counter the narrative and i'm sure you've seen this where people will say oh um transgender women

00:07:33.040 are women okay well if they really were again you get 100 guys in peak physical condition and you

00:07:39.180 get 100 actual women in peak physical condition and absentee you know medical issues and so on

00:07:45.500 and so forth you can be those people can be fruitful but the um sort of 100 but 100 men

00:07:54.760 100 transgender women correct cannot be fruitful correct correct and i wanted to sort of point out

00:08:00.820 that this this thing terminates at those two individuals that's right you you cannot um be

00:08:08.180 faithful to god's command to be fruitful and multiply and and actually this hit me today

00:08:13.280 in a different way i was going to tweet about it but i'll say here first you have people who

00:08:18.940 whose entire worldview in terms of creation is based on darwinian evolution who are embracing

00:08:26.180 an ideology that if you take their worldview to its logical end they will cull themselves from

00:08:33.300 the herd right because they they just they that would be their their contribution to natural

00:08:40.760 selection um and that's sort of what i was trying to get at when i when i make when i use that that

00:08:46.860 passage the other part of it towards the the latter part was um as i said the compact it's

00:08:54.680 quiet compact but i noticed it from big eva right some of these prior church prior church ministries

00:09:02.280 the the the pastors and the public theologians men and women right um who use social media to

00:09:11.980 comment on every social issue i mean when when a 17 year old kid from east of kentucky with a

00:09:18.080 MAGA hat on as a half a smirk these people they summon and they say oh this is the face of white

00:09:24.860 privilege and so on and so on and so forth but then when you see these issues going on I mean

00:09:29.460 and no they never apologize they never correct that's the other thing they never walked it back

00:09:34.300 but when you see these issues going on and these are civilizational issues right I mean these are

00:09:38.640 types of things where if you can't get male and female right you can't get anything right you're

00:09:43.660 talking about like foundational stuff and these people will never say like hit they will never

00:09:51.040 hit on the the gender ideology and the sexual orientation ideology nearly as hard as they hit

00:09:58.840 on issues of racism or sexism so when they go to the atlantic or when they're featured in the new

00:10:05.360 york times i already know what they're going to say right they're going to give me sort of uh

00:10:11.000 they're either going to be silent or they're going to handle these issues with

00:10:16.420 extreme care and caution. Yeah.

00:10:18.760 When it comes to rooting out what they see as any vestige of Trumpism or

00:10:24.440 Christian nationalism, then they go full bloodhound.

00:10:28.980 No, you're absolutely right. It's, I always say it's, you know, it's, 0.99

00:10:31.940 so that compact one thing, one way that I would describe that, as I say,

00:10:34.900 I would say that the compact was at some point, you know,

00:10:37.900 I think of Southern Baptist, right? So there, there was, you know,

00:10:40.120 the great conservative resurgence, they had guys in the seminaries who were saying that Jesus was 1.00

00:10:44.460 the bastard son of a whore and taking the Bible and literally throwing it in the trash their first 0.99

00:10:50.720 the day, the first day of class when they were passing out the syllabuses. And so, you know, 1.00

00:10:54.960 Al Mohler came in, you know, and he, he was one of the guys who kind of led this, you know,

00:10:59.340 this conservative resurgence and, and cleaned house, you know, and all those kinds of things.

00:11:03.040 And they won the battle for inerrancy and John MacArthur and R.C. Sproul and guys were a part

00:11:06.860 that I personally see Al Mohler as kind of an opportunist

00:11:10.260 because I think that he says on the briefing things

00:11:12.220 that are conservative, but I don't see him in action

00:11:15.620 doing those same things in his seminary today.

00:11:17.720 He did them in the past.

00:11:19.000 But my point is with inerrancy,

00:11:20.540 I think part of the compact is that Big Eva has said, 0.66

00:11:23.340 you let us say the Bible's inerrant

00:11:24.860 and we promise not to make it sufficient.

00:11:28.180 So if you give us inerrancy, we'll surrender sufficiency

00:11:31.280 because the Bible saying Jesus is Lord

00:11:33.660 and all those kinds of things,

00:11:34.800 saying these things as though they are truths

00:11:36.740 and as though they are universal, absolute truths

00:11:38.900 with the silent promise never to apply the truths,

00:11:44.280 then Caesar doesn't see that as a threat.

00:11:47.200 John the Baptist, he took his gospel and law,

00:11:50.260 he took his truths of the Bible and he applied it.

00:11:53.440 And he didn't just apply it to people in the church

00:11:55.080 who had given him permission,

00:11:56.720 but he applied it to even Herod. 0.74

00:11:58.000 It is not lawful for you to have her. 0.93

00:12:01.020 He's not a professing Christian. 0.97

00:12:02.840 He's not a part of the church. 0.84

00:12:04.280 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:04.620 God has commandments and they're not given to the church.

00:12:07.340 They're given to mankind, everybody.

00:12:10.240 It's not lawful for him to have her.

00:12:12.680 And he begins to apply the scripture to someone in the civil magistrate,

00:12:16.200 somebody outside of the church in the public square.

00:12:18.840 And the result is he loses his head.

00:12:21.760 But we have in Big Eva, we have those who love the glory that comes from men

00:12:25.180 more than the glory that comes from God.

00:12:27.560 And so I think you're right.

00:12:28.540 There's absolutely this silent agreement that's been made.

00:12:32.560 And you're right.

00:12:33.520 It's kind of like if you ever seen a movie where there's like a big honking, you know, hulking bully who's like six feet tall and it's like he's failed the eighth grade, you know, three times.

00:12:42.200 He's twice the size of all the other kids and he's picking on somebody and that person doesn't want to lose face because everybody's standing around, you know, in the lockers and watching this thing go down.

00:12:52.200 And so he, you know, says something really strong to the shrimpy kid next to him who's standing next to the bully.

00:12:59.040 And I feel like that's Russell Moore.

00:13:01.240 That's Tim Keller.

00:13:01.960 you know and i'm grateful for things that these guys have done in the past but right now it's like

00:13:05.720 you know it's like the enemies at the gate you've got you know the undoing of god's created order

00:13:10.800 down to its rudimentary form of male and female and and they're picking on the kid with a smirk

00:13:16.600 on his face and a mag hat like you you know so you got a giant goliath is standing right in front of 0.78

00:13:21.180 you and instead you're talking to one of the philistines next to him as though he's the actual 0.94

00:13:25.560 threat because you know because you don't want to say nothing because then you're seen as a coward

00:13:29.880 So you've got to say something, but you can't actually say something to the real threat, to the real giant, because you're afraid.

00:13:38.240 And I think this brings up a number of really important issues.

00:13:42.280 And I think issues that at some point every believer is going to have to deal with.

00:13:47.760 Right. One of them is what happens when the desire to be seen as respectable, you know, among the people who hate you, makes you sort of shave down, smooth the rough edges of the gospel, of God's word, or even just of nature.

00:14:10.880 right um when when you want to be respected by the atlantic crowd or the new york times crowd

00:14:16.620 this is the way that you have to speak this is the way you have to carry yourself

00:14:19.860 um and i i understand that i see that because i i read a lot of people

00:14:26.160 one of the benefits as i said of coming to you know reform theology later in life

00:14:32.340 is I get to see some of these, for lack of a better term,

00:14:40.080 living legends, these luminaries.

00:14:42.080 And I get to see and hear what they're saying today.

00:14:45.640 Not what they wrote about issues 15 years or 20 years ago.

00:14:50.680 I'm looking at people today.

00:14:52.720 The other thing is I haven't been, for lack of a better term,

00:14:56.980 as tainted by you know sort of standards around who i'm supposed to be listening to or not right

00:15:04.680 you don't have some nostalgia correct so i to be quite honest i listen to blog and may blog from

00:15:11.680 doug wilson at least once a week me too i mean to me that then i mean you listen to every episode

00:15:16.940 because it comes out once a week so and and what what i hear is a man um and it's in this ironic

00:15:25.140 Right. The first time I was introduced to Doug Wilson, I was watching Cross-Politic, right, with Chop Knox and Waterboy and Pastor Toby.

00:15:35.100 And I think they were talking about slavery or something.

00:15:40.820 And, you know, this is one of these issues that comes up, particularly in the church.

00:15:45.440 And I disagree with his take. I left a long comment.

00:15:48.980 right i didn't i didn't let it sour me because how people interpret you know events and issues

00:15:58.120 and historical sort of matters from 300 years ago may differ from person to person people will have

00:16:05.220 different perspectives on the same thing right so so when i listen to pastor doug and he's talking

00:16:10.300 about the american revolution and making sort of a justification for it and i'm and i'm i'm wondering

00:16:18.020 whether he would make the same justification for the

00:16:19.980 Haitian Revolution.

00:16:22.500 I'm just trying to figure out, okay,

00:16:24.020 so what are the principles at play?

00:16:27.160 So I heard some of the criticisms,

00:16:30.640 but then as I started to listen to him more,

00:16:34.780 particularly around issues of gender,

00:16:37.480 of sex,

00:16:38.820 and how men and women

00:16:40.420 interact with one another,

00:16:42.540 certainly during the age of COVID,

00:16:44.740 all those things,

00:16:45.600 i said there's probably no one who has a better pulse on what is going on um who can see over

00:16:52.920 the hill to see what's coming right now than doug wilson yeah i agree and it's one of those things

00:16:59.540 where i think if i grew up in in big eva that's right yeah i would have had enough people to tell

00:17:05.460 me oh you can't listen no you're right no you're right so yeah you'd have the nostalgia with some

00:17:09.680 people that you really shouldn't be listening today because because they're not being courageous

00:17:13.600 and being faithful today and then you'd also be tainted with some of the guys that you should

00:17:17.820 listen to because you're right Doug Wilson has been you know he was blacklisted a very very very

00:17:21.780 long time ago but there you know once upon a time he was at uh Ligonier conferences sitting on the

00:17:26.080 stage with panels with R.C. Sproul so it wasn't always that way but something happened along the

00:17:30.560 lines where you know he he spoke on some things that he wasn't that were against the code

00:17:35.940 and and he got dismissed you know yeah and and as i said i think his his comfort with being

00:17:44.640 seen as you know not respectable quote unquote makes gives him the courage to say things that

00:17:52.580 other people just won't say and and and and i'll i'll sort of bring this home to some sort of

00:17:58.800 tangible issues, right? There's a way in which when I listen to certain personalities within

00:18:07.740 evangelicalism, even when they engage issues of race, and I'm talking Black pastors now,

00:18:13.700 I know that there's less than a 1% chance that any of these people are going to use the words

00:18:20.220 Father, marriage, family, responsibility, because to them, if you take a focus off of, again, Nick Salmon and the Covington kids, and you ask questions about, okay, what about the crimes that are going on in our cities, in Philadelphia, in New York, in Baltimore?

00:18:45.020 what about you know when black folks are victimized by other black people is that not a

00:18:50.680 problem they'll say no that's it you you're you're trying to move um attention away from 0.95

00:18:56.040 white privilege and anti-racism and so on and so forth and i'm to the point now i'm just like

00:19:01.580 i'm not i'm not questioning these people their their faith it's just that type of leadership 0.96

00:19:09.320 is useless to me right i agree that type of leadership only particularly for me as a black

00:19:16.560 man that is the type of thing that if i raise my sons in that they would become adult males who 0.79

00:19:24.400 live their entire lives on their knees right asking to be validated and affirmed by people

00:19:29.860 that they don't know because they think that those people owe them something even though those people

00:19:35.620 have never sinned against them and have never met them but from listening to some of these leaders

00:19:40.860 right now both black and white who play different roles on one side you have the extortionist and

00:19:46.780 the other side you have the paternalist um that type of ideology would not allow me to raise my

00:19:53.600 sons as men who stand on their feet as image bearers right and interact with other people

00:19:59.000 who look different from them as brothers and sisters in Christ, as opposed to acting like

00:20:05.840 children who are seeking the validation of their parents. And I'm not talking about me and their

00:20:11.280 mom. You know what I mean? So. Yeah, no, I hear you. What you're talking about, you know, like,

00:20:14.900 so making a mountain, you know, out of a molehill and, you know, taking this peripheral issue over

00:20:19.660 here, you know, about one individual, you know, white person and their privilege versus, all right,

00:20:25.340 we've got, I mean, let's look at the statistics of black-on-black crime that's going on in our

00:20:29.760 major cities here in America. That whole thing of shifting the focus, Jesus had an illustration for 0.85

00:20:34.560 that, a metaphor. He said that the Pharisees, they would strain a gnat and swallow a camel.

00:20:39.840 You know, and that's exactly what it is. And even that being said, I'm not of the position

00:20:46.320 that there are no downstream effects, right? So we always say, you know, politics is downstream

00:20:51.100 of culture. And that's true to an extent, but I think it's less of a stream and more of a two-way

00:20:55.680 street. I think that often, you know, that culture is downstream of politics as well. You know,

00:21:00.760 that sometimes you put something in at the legislative level and then people begin abiding

00:21:07.540 by it and they begin to change their thought process. And, you know, and so even with black

00:21:12.440 culture, I think, you know, some of the things I'm like, well, you know, some of this is the

00:21:17.140 soft bigotry of low expectations. Some of this is systematic, but it's not the way that you mean by

00:21:23.020 systematic, you know? And so I think, you know, when you incentivize a black mother not to marry 0.98

00:21:29.720 the father of her children, right? And you're doing this across the board, but you're doing 0.81

00:21:34.140 it in such a way that it is disproportionately affecting somebody else, you know, like that,

00:21:39.680 there is a systematic effect of that, but it's not the systematic racism that people are talking

00:21:45.960 about today. It's quite the opposite. It's what you're talking about, the fear that you would

00:21:51.340 have as a father with your own sons, that if you raise men to be fragile, if you raise them to be

00:21:57.420 victims, if you raise them to be entitled, then you are hating your sons. You are hating your

00:22:03.160 children and you are going to set them up and they'll be responsible later on for the bad choices

00:22:07.360 they made, but you also will be responsible. So there is a string there. There is responsibility

00:22:11.900 that comes from from others that has had a negative influence but it the irony is it's like

00:22:17.900 the exact opposite of what the you know the the woke progressive elites in our culture today are

00:22:24.840 saying it is they're saying it's um it's all this discrimination and i would say yeah it is

00:22:29.300 discrimination but but on on the other side of the equation yeah so and and and and i see that

00:22:35.880 every day i mean it's it's one of these things where again even around marriage and family which

00:22:41.640 I write and talk about a lot it's a big and which is you know dovetails perfectly with you know the

00:22:48.000 column we were looking at but um it it is it's one of these things where I know if I if I was

00:22:55.800 to start a national campaign around marriage right multi-racial multi-ethnic everybody's in

00:23:01.680 but for the the component that sort of focus on the black community because there are some

00:23:07.760 specific challenges there in terms of why people think marriage disappeared and i took that to the

00:23:14.680 naacp and i said hey i want you guys to join on with me they said no no thanks now if i took them

00:23:21.640 a same-sex adoption campaign oh yeah they'll they'll join on with that right um so it's one

00:23:30.560 of these things where getting back to sort of big eva you need people i mean i think i said this

00:23:37.080 later in the column we we got ushers when we needed guardians um and it's and it's one of the

00:23:43.480 things that um to be quite frank i think the um feminization of the church writ large

00:23:53.920 ushered in a number of changes in terms of how people communicate um what types of things get

00:24:04.580 letting the door because women generally speaking tend to care more about people having a sense of

00:24:10.960 belonging feeling included you know feeling comfortable they tend to be more relational 1.00

00:24:16.200 and that's the perfect type that that is exactly who you want when it comes to making a home

00:24:23.740 or making people feel comfortable in a particular space that's not the person you want when it comes

00:24:31.620 to guarding the city gate yes and a lot of men have abdicated their responsibility both in the

00:24:37.700 church in the community and even in the home i mean some of the things i write about and my kids

00:24:42.380 are small six three and two but i know that there's some guys who are just as afraid to say

00:24:51.560 anything to their teenage daughters as they are to their wives right if they really thought you know

00:24:58.280 I don't want my daughter wearing, you know, some tight shorts with the word juicy across the bottom. 0.90

00:25:04.480 But I don't you know, I don't who am I to tell her what to do with her body? 0.50

00:25:08.960 And she's 16. And, you know, it's one of those things where if you I think I think we're reaping what we've been sowing for generations and for generations,

00:25:22.480 Christians men who have not been willing to lovingly stand up to the people in their lives 1.00

00:25:28.780 that they care about the most, we're seeing that those men also will not stand up for them. 1.00

00:25:35.380 That's right.

00:25:35.860 If you stand up to them and now they're not standing up for them.

00:25:39.040 That's right. Yeah. If you don't have the strength to stand up to someone,

00:25:41.560 then you're not going to have the strength to stand up for them. You're absolutely right.

00:25:44.180 And I think pastors have failed by preaching against, again, it's the gnat and the camel,

00:25:51.280 right? So you're swallowing a camel, you know, while straining out a net. Pastors, you know,

00:25:56.420 would preach sermons about, you know, boys who could shave, you know, and these kinds of things.

00:26:00.340 And it was always hard on men, hard on men, hard on men. Every Mother's Day was, aren't we grateful

00:26:05.560 for moms? You know, and every Father's Day was like, you should do better. You guys are, you

00:26:09.600 know, lousy. And one of the big sins, you know, that would be addressed with men is being overly 0.99

00:26:15.480 dominant, being too forceful, being aggressive, abuse, you know, but masculinity can fail in one

00:26:24.040 of two directions. You can fall off the wall on one of two sides. You can abuse, but you can also

00:26:32.060 abdicate, right? So there can be aggression and unholy aggression because there is a righteous

00:26:37.660 aggression. The kingdom of God, you know, since the beginning of suffered violence and the violent

00:26:41.520 take it by force. Nobody's going to waltz into the kingdom apart from waging holy violence. And

00:26:48.080 the Puritans used to talk about, Thomas Watson has a whole section talking about waging holy

00:26:52.740 violence. But you can fall off on the ungodly, unrighteous violence, aggression, that kind of

00:27:00.020 side, but you can also fall off on the apathy and the abdicating side. And again, it's like we take

00:27:06.580 the minority and we preach to that. And I think the reason why is the, and we all do this, but

00:27:11.900 pastors, you know, they, they just, they do it at a mass level. They do it publicly. But I think

00:27:16.700 the reason why that's in the heart of men is because again, it's cowardice. It's the fear of

00:27:20.600 man. It's loving the glory that comes from man more than glory that comes from God. Because

00:27:23.920 ultimately if I could describe it, it's this, what we're doing is we're addressing the enemy

00:27:28.520 that's already been slain rather than the enemy that's currently at large. So, so it's like,

00:27:33.880 you know, when Amazon, you know, says elevating black voices, that would be courage if it was

00:27:39.000 50 years ago. But you're too late to be courageous. Like SNL did their skit, you know,

00:27:45.280 they were just ridiculous where they're like, they're making fun of, you know, basically poking 0.66

00:27:48.620 fun at themselves for maybe we took COVID too far. And did we really, did I really have to 0.88

00:27:55.540 completely cut off that friendship with someone that I knew for 15 years just because they didn't

00:27:59.960 want to get their fourth booster shot, you know, and we're all laughing. It's like, yeah, but wait

00:28:04.440 a second. It's been two years and you guys are the spitting image of the ones who are doing that.

00:28:11.840 It's too, it's too late. It's not, so it's not courage. It's not even comedy. Comedy requires

00:28:17.860 courage. That's, that's why nobody's funny anymore. There's no comedy anymore because

00:28:22.120 comedy requires, it assumes a certain measure of courage to cross the line, but nobody's willing

00:28:27.960 to cross the line. And so, and so we're, we're, we're basically, we're walking around and we're,

00:28:32.640 we're, we're getting in a circle around an enemy that's already been slain, a rotting dead corpse

00:28:37.620 and taking turns kicking it. Meanwhile, you know, meanwhile, it's like, like the enemy is actually,

00:28:43.780 there's another enemy over here that's at large, you know, that's currently walking around and

00:28:47.880 terrorizing people. And so all that being said, my, my point is, you know, pastors preaching about

00:28:51.960 men, you know, with, with abuse that again, and immediately the counter, you know, somebody

00:28:57.580 listening to this would say, well, uh, well, I, you know, I have this experience, you know,

00:29:01.400 and my stepdad, he was abusive. And we're not saying that abuse doesn't exist. We're not saying

00:29:05.580 racism doesn't exist. Um, but we're saying, is this really the predominant enemy of our hour?

00:29:11.980 And, uh, and, and I think, you know, I've been quoting this a lot lately, but a Martin Luther

00:29:15.720 quote where he says, um, wherever the battle raised, rages the fiercest there, the loyalty

00:29:21.000 of the soldier is tried. If he is faithful in battle on every other field, but the one point

00:29:28.340 that is currently being contested, he is not professing Christ, that he's failed. He's not

00:29:36.860 a faithful follower of Jesus. And so I think that we have these points that are currently being

00:29:42.500 contested, that the battle of Bunker's Hill, the point where it's actually being contested and we

00:29:47.920 won't address it. And so that means talking to men about the sin of apathy, not just abuse,

00:29:52.200 because I think that's far more pervasive, but it also requires men preaching about the sins

00:29:58.280 of women in their church. And I think what we've done, talk about abdicating. So you won't preach

00:30:04.060 on the sin of abdicating with males because you pastor as a male are committing that sin by

00:30:09.300 abdicating your responsibility. You're not pastor of half of the church. So I'm patriarchal. I don't

00:30:16.360 even like complimentarian. I feel like that's too squishy. So I am patriarchal. I believe in

00:30:20.720 male pastors. I hold a male diaconate and the pastors, the male pastors that God has appointed

00:30:25.860 in a church are pastors of the whole church, not just the men in the church. And that doesn't mean

00:30:29.920 the women can't get together and do certain things, but this idea of women's ministry and

00:30:33.980 women's leaders, and they become pseudo, those women become pseudo pastors of, and you have two 0.94

00:30:39.600 other churches and then, you know, don't get me started, but you throw in, you know, childcare on 0.70

00:30:43.360 top of it. So I'm family integrated, but you know, you know, Dr. Martin, Martin Luther King, he used

00:30:48.380 to, you know, Sunday morning is the most segregated hour in America. I think it's still the most

00:30:52.680 segregated, but not by race, but by, by gender and age, you know? So anyways, my point is pastors,

00:30:59.420 we dropped the ball and Christians at a large level, we dropped the ball by, by not addressing 0.81

00:31:04.440 the sin of the hour and thinking we can't address the sins of women. Certainly we need to be gentle 0.78

00:31:09.420 there um but there is something to be said for elijah you know cry decrying the sins of jezebel

00:31:15.780 you know so it's not he doesn't just speak to ahab for being a a pushover he also condemns jezebel

00:31:23.900 so i you know so i and i think we got both alive and well in the church today we've got ahab and

00:31:28.940 jezebel just you know they won't let you talk about jezebel today they say that um um they

00:31:35.020 They call the Tone Police, which is the only law enforcement that some of them actually support.

00:31:41.400 And they'd say, you can't say that.

00:31:43.840 Oh, that's not loving.

00:31:45.280 This is a downside of patriarchy.

00:31:48.220 And I think, as you said, we need people, and particularly men, with courage.

00:31:56.640 I will say this, because I think sometimes maybe to an outsider, it can be difficult to understand how people with our worldview view the role of women.

00:32:11.500 I will say this. Some of the most courageous people I follow on social media are Christian women.

00:32:18.620 many of them are stay-at-home moms many of them are homeschool moms i mean they have and show a

00:32:26.140 lot more courage than some of the guys i follow even some of the christian men to be quite frank

00:32:31.280 especially the ones with the largest platforms um they are committed to their families they love and

00:32:39.100 respect their husbands um they're they love and protect their children and they and they realize

00:32:45.400 something that both the broader culture and much of the church does not realize, which is that the

00:32:51.380 people who are shaping the hearts and minds of the next generation have the most important job

00:32:57.940 in any society. Now, we give lip service to that in our culture. We'll say, oh, teachers are the

00:33:03.840 greatest, appreciate teachers, until a woman says she wants to stay home and teach her own children. 1.00

00:33:09.120 Right. Then it's, oh, you're, you know, you're wasting your college degree and you could be 1.00

00:33:13.660 doing more with your life right um but i think you know this is why you know women need to know 0.95

00:33:22.520 their bible christian women need to know their bibles right they need to be as sort of thoroughly

00:33:29.020 familiar with the gospel and the scriptures and the different genres and what it all means and

00:33:35.180 applying it practically and apologetics and so on and so forth as their husbands right because

00:33:41.280 they have an extremely important job and because they're training children yeah women need to be 0.78

00:33:45.720 educated sometimes you know correct in my in my realm which is very very conservative and

00:33:50.200 patriarchal and post-mill and theonomic i'm i'm all all the things you're not supposed to be i

00:33:54.220 would be all those things um you know 1689 confessional congregational the whole nine yards 0.53

00:33:58.820 but um in my world sometimes people are like man well i you know i should women really go to college

00:34:04.040 and and rack up you know 60 000 of debt and bring that into the marriage when all they really want 1.00

00:34:08.260 to do, you know, is be a faithful wife. And we're talking about a Christian woman and, you know,

00:34:12.240 and a mother. And I would completely agree and say, yeah, that's foolish to rack up all that 1.00

00:34:16.700 debt. However, that doesn't mean that no woman should go to college because primarily women 1.00

00:34:21.080 are going to be educators. They're going to be educating their children. And so we want them to 1.00

00:34:26.000 be educated. We want brilliant mothers who are faithfully training their children and raising 0.97

00:34:33.120 them up and teaching them. And it's what you said, you know, it's, you know, you said the

00:34:36.880 teachers, you know, it's like, oh, well, you know, the teachers, we praise them for shaping the next

00:34:40.880 generation. And the old adage was, the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. And we still

00:34:47.220 praise that hand. We just think now that it belongs to the state. So the hand, we just,

00:34:53.120 we still say the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. And that hand is attached to the arm

00:34:58.040 of the state because now we outsource the rocking of the cradle. We outsource and our government

00:35:04.420 wants to extend that as far as it can let's get two extra years before school starts state school

00:35:09.300 with you know that that state uh state funded child care and then let's you know college keeps

00:35:14.240 extending further and further people were just like career students who never actually joined

00:35:18.620 the work and so it's just and it's just all within the state so we still recognize as a culture that

00:35:24.320 those who are shaping the next generation are vitally important uh we just don't think that

00:35:29.520 that shaping primarily should take place with families. We think it should primarily take

00:35:34.600 place with the state. And then we wonder why the world is looking the way it is, right? Because

00:35:44.020 as you said, we've outsourced that job to the state, but the state is not satisfied with rocking

00:35:49.460 the cradle. The state wants to reach into the crib and touch your child, which is why they're

00:35:54.300 pushing gender ideology on children as young as three years old.

00:35:58.780 In D.C., you can start pre-K at three years old.

00:36:02.680 I've seen materials and I've posted some, you know, online where they talk about introducing

00:36:08.500 transgenderism to three-year-olds using, you know, a YouTube video of this show called

00:36:14.700 I Am Jazz with this teenage boy who thinks he's a girl, got all sorts of surgery, so

00:36:19.580 on and so on and so forth.

00:36:20.320 and then the lesson plan says you know introduce the terms transgender and non-binary this is for

00:36:27.320 three-year-olds so the state is not just content to rock the cradle right they they want to touch

00:36:33.460 your child that's that's if that is if your child actually makes it here alive because now the state

00:36:39.620 is saying that's right up until your child draws his first breath maybe you know if you if you if

00:36:46.480 you're not sure whether you want it right and it's the the their the left's play on abortion

00:36:51.840 has moved from endangering the life of the mother to i want to say it's the terms that i've seen is

00:36:59.800 like life or health right certainly health can mean mental health exactly that includes psychological

00:37:04.860 mental health and what you know yeah and and that opens the door for you know i just don't think i

00:37:09.580 can do it i'm going to be depressed so on and so forth so we have allowed i think bad theology

00:37:16.240 and i'm talking about christians now have allowed the arms and tentacles of the state

00:37:21.280 to extend further and further into our lives the way i put it on the show with jason woodlock is

00:37:26.980 um uncle sam has morphed into daddy sam yeah right you're right he no longer stays in the

00:37:34.880 basement he's you know stay a couple weeks at a time all right he's taken up this is his house

00:37:40.460 now he or so he thinks right and he said i've sent your dad away because you know the scriptures

00:37:45.240 say if you want to you know rob a house you got to tie up the strongman that's right i've sent your

00:37:49.780 dad away and i'm the captain now and a lot of people covid has certainly revealed this um have

00:37:59.220 a desire to be led as much as they talk about they they don't like um they don't like rules

00:38:08.500 they don't like authority the last two years have made it crystal clear that some people

00:38:14.240 have a desire to be ruled um it's just a matter of who is going to be doing the ruling and where

00:38:19.840 i live you know my wife and i took the kids to the playground the other day and i'd say at least

00:38:25.820 70 of the kids the children outdoors are still wearing masks right not not in texas man but go

00:38:34.940 ahead i'm sorry to hear that so it's but you're right yeah people have lost their minds yeah yeah

00:38:40.980 And I think, you know, going back to the column, one of the reasons I wanted to write it is because, you know, what started with love this, hate the sin, love this, no, hate the sin, love the sinner.

00:38:58.760 and tolerance has moved to love is love and complete affirmation as it relates to all

00:39:09.000 things related to sex sexuality marriage and family right and we're at a point now where

00:39:16.900 the the the the nuclear family the way we've thought about it it i feel like we're in a state

00:39:24.200 the fissure right where the whole thing is falling apart um and the energy that's going to be

00:39:31.320 released from that is something that none of us i think really understand the true impact of and

00:39:36.980 and one of the things that happened last week and i talked about in the piece you know with

00:39:42.020 dave rubin and right yeah sort of i don't want to say darling of the right but certainly respected

00:39:47.740 on the right a self-professed classical liberal who's gay who was an atheist at one point it

00:39:53.880 says he's seeking now grew up you know as a secular jew in new york um when he says that him

00:40:01.100 and his quote-unquote husband are expecting two babies not twins one in august one in october

00:40:07.080 and you see conservatives and some self-professed christians saying congratulations this is a great

00:40:14.500 such a great thing i think that really sent a shockwave through sort of the online conservative

00:40:22.020 right i think it was a necessary shockwave because it can be very tempting to associate

00:40:30.100 conservatism with christianity yeah now to be fair some of these people have never professed christ

00:40:36.040 right so we projected things onto them that they never accepted on themselves but um i think every

00:40:43.940 christian conservative should be ready and willing to live as an outlaw and outcast and a renegade

00:40:49.820 Right. Because this is this is we see where the lines are going.

00:40:55.280 And some of this is, you know, some of us, even some believers do not have sort of a fully or theology as it relates to some of these issues.

00:41:05.900 Right. Abortion. Sure. The vast majority of evangelicals say we're against abortion.

00:41:12.440 but when it comes to you know reproductive technology and vitro fertilization surrogacy

00:41:19.200 um i think there's a lot of territory that's been left unexplored oh absolutely i i remember

00:41:26.640 doing counseling with you know a couple they weren't actually a part of our church but they

00:41:31.520 were related to somebody who was part of our church and 13 of their children are frozen you

00:41:36.620 know so they you know they took two and one split so they ended up having triplets um but they you

00:41:43.040 know they right better safe than sorry let's get a whole bunch of you know fertilized eggs in here

00:41:48.820 um you know so that you know because if the procedure doesn't work you know it's expensive

00:41:53.080 to do it again we don't want to spend the money twice but not thinking about the the real moral

00:41:58.600 implications of that those are children if we believe that life begins at at fertilization

00:42:04.780 not implantation because the medical community has changed that you know so that's why even the

00:42:10.260 pill the birth hormonal pill oh you know because if you ask your doctor that's the problem is you

00:42:14.660 know i i used to say that when i was a little bit more naive you know five six seven years ago i

00:42:19.480 would say well ask your doctor you know if you're talking about birth control and and ask him

00:42:23.680 explicitly is it abortive but the problem is the doctor will say no because they've changed where

00:42:27.760 life begins so it's it's implantation rather than fertilization so you know the three primary

00:42:33.500 measures of the hormonal birth control pill is, you know, there's the thickening of the cervical

00:42:39.100 fluid so the sperm can't make it to the egg. There's also the trying to make the egg to where

00:42:44.300 it doesn't actually drop. Those are both preventative. But the third measure is the

00:42:48.520 thinning of the uterine lining so that if an egg is actually fertilized, it has an inhospitable

00:42:55.940 habitat where it has no choice but to die. And so you don't know, and you're playing Russian 0.87

00:43:03.920 roulette. So you say, well, some would argue in the Christian world, some would say, well,

00:43:07.780 it's fine because they would argue if the first two preventative measures are failing, then we 0.51

00:43:12.720 should assume that the third is failing as well. But that's not based off of testing. That's not

00:43:16.940 based off of actually observing that that happens, that if the first two fail, then the third always

00:43:21.740 fails. Because that's what you have to argue. You'd have to say that if the first two measures

00:43:25.000 that are preventative fail, then this third measure, the thinning of the uterine wall,

00:43:30.180 that that always fails with it. Because if the first two fail and the third remains intact,

00:43:35.040 then you've just set up the context for the death of your child. And even for those who come off of 0.96

00:43:41.660 the birth hormonal pill, the first two, so the cervical fluid begins to thin again, you know,

00:43:47.520 and then it's not as thick. And so sperm are able to make it to the egg, you start producing eggs,

00:43:51.100 all these kinds of things, and woman starts going on her period. But what has been tested,

00:43:54.700 and has been proven is that the uterine lining sometimes could take six months, sometimes could

00:44:00.240 take a year to thicken. And so you're trying to have a kid and you don't even know because these

00:44:05.140 would be very, very, very, what we would consider to be very early miscarriages. But it is the death

00:44:11.360 of a child because it's not implantation, it is fertilization. And so women and men leading them 0.98

00:44:19.080 men that are killing their children. And these are good Christian couples, even who just don't

00:44:24.640 know. They don't, they have not been educated on these things. And that's to say nothing about,

00:44:29.940 you know, the, what is, I always get mixed up, IUD or IUD. What is it that goes in the arm?

00:44:38.220 One of them is a bomb with soldiers. And one of them is IUD. Yeah. So the IUD, sometimes I say

00:44:46.560 IED and they're like, Joel, that is, that is a bomb. That is not the same thing. Um, but you

00:44:51.480 know, it's the same kind of thing. It's a, it is abortive by nature. If we believe that life begins

00:44:55.960 at fertilization and then certainly in vitro, um, you're, you know, and, and, you know, there's a

00:45:00.380 snowflake program that they have where you can adopt, you know, the, uh, fertilized eggs that

00:45:05.100 somebody doesn't want. Um, and I've counseled couples in doing that, you know, so some of

00:45:09.260 these frozen children, um, do get adopted, but many of them do not. Many of them stay frozen

00:45:14.840 and eventually are either thrown out

00:45:18.360 once they reach their expiration date.

00:45:21.820 And, you know, so it's, but all those kinds,

00:45:24.260 those are the kinds of, so it's like, yeah,

00:45:25.480 you shouldn't commit abortion.

00:45:27.200 But if we really take life seriously,

00:45:28.800 like we need to talk about it

00:45:30.720 at every single level in the womb.

00:45:33.060 Where does life begin?

00:45:33.840 We need to be consistent.

00:45:35.320 And you're right, that's part of the problem 1.00

00:45:36.920 is Christians, we're not even consistent, 0.98

00:45:38.920 but then we, it's kind of hypocritical. 0.85

00:45:40.520 We get upset when people who never even profess 0.74

00:45:42.660 to be a Christian are not consistent.

00:45:44.820 You know, that goes back to the Dave Rubin thing.

00:45:46.560 And so one of the things, you know, so the title of your article, just to kind of bring

00:45:50.060 it back to that, because I thought it was so good, but just Christ or chaos, right?

00:45:53.100 That's a Doug Wilson thing.

00:45:54.580 You know, that's a thing that a lot of faithful guys have been saying, and they're absolutely

00:45:59.480 right.

00:45:59.880 The way I say it is I say, I say the principles of Christ apart from the person of Christ

00:46:04.520 will never produce the peace of Christ.

00:46:07.160 You know, and there's a lot of guys who like his principles and they like his principles

00:46:10.180 because we live in God's world.

00:46:12.800 And so God's principles work in God's world.

00:46:16.080 They are fruitful principles.

00:46:18.100 So there's a lot of people who have come to see by common grace, right?

00:46:21.300 So they're not regenerate.

00:46:22.200 They're not born again.

00:46:22.940 But by common grace, there are people who have come to see that Christ principles work.

00:46:28.800 Now, there are other people who even hate his principles.

00:46:31.920 They're so deceived. 0.96

00:46:33.020 And so they have, like Doug Wilson would say it like this, the gay agenda is all-encompassing. 0.98

00:46:38.060 It's not just gay relationships, but it's gay economics. 0.92

00:46:40.540 And he uses the word meaning gay, meaning fruitless, right? 0.99

00:46:43.700 So they want fruitless economics. 1.00

00:46:45.360 They want fruitless politics.

00:46:46.700 They want fruitless marriages. 0.98

00:46:48.000 They want, it's gay marriages, gay economics, gay. 0.98

00:46:50.520 It's fruitless. 0.96

00:46:51.800 So, you know, socialism is the economic version of gay marriage, you know, and it's fruitless. 1.00

00:46:58.280 It's all fruitless. 0.99

00:46:59.940 And so that, you know, so you see that the left is consistent, that, you know, they're

00:47:05.120 being consistent in those regards, you know, but over here on the right, you've got

00:47:10.460 guys who are Christian, and then you've got guys who are merely conservative. By God's common

00:47:14.940 grace, they love Christ principles, but they don't pay homage to Christ himself. They want

00:47:21.220 the fruit that the Lord produces, but they don't want the Lord. And then we're shocked when the

00:47:29.580 rubber meets the road and we realize, oh yeah, we're not on the same team. And I think we can

00:47:33.480 partner with these people. We can link arms in common grace with people who are fighting for

00:47:39.120 the same things. I think, I think that there's a biblical argument for that. Uh, the problem

00:47:43.720 though is, you know, so I think of like, um, I think of first Timothy chapter five, where it

00:47:47.700 talks about rebuking an elder publicly, um, if he persists in sin, um, so that the rest may stand

00:47:53.420 in fear and says, and, and do nothing from favoritism. And I don't think it's a coincidence

00:47:57.280 that the apostle immediately follows up with, with the temptation of favoritism, because what

00:48:01.900 he's saying is, you know, who's going to be taking this elder before the congregation to make him

00:48:06.620 publicly repent well it's going to be the other elders and and when you're ministering when you're

00:48:10.560 fighting you know linking arms together working together you're in the trenches together you're

00:48:15.540 going to develop and rightfully so god's designed this way but you're going to develop deep

00:48:19.680 friendships and but but then the problem is um that that sometimes somebody veers off the path

00:48:27.620 somebody goes the wrong way or or they you know in the case of dave rubin they were never on the

00:48:31.740 path but we just we had a certain degree where we could partner and a certain degree where we

00:48:36.340 cannot, right? Some things that we can affirm is good because they come from God. Every good and

00:48:41.500 perfect gift comes from the father of lights. But then some things that come from Dave Rubin's

00:48:45.980 actual father, who is Satan, right? John chapter eight says, if you're not a Christian, you're a

00:48:50.280 chip off the old block. You are a father or a child of Satan. He is your father. And so we pray that 0.99

00:48:55.900 God would save Dave Rubin, but we should not be surprised, but we have to, it's hard because we

00:49:00.360 have to be immediately able to say i'm with you here friend and then and then in the very next

00:49:06.480 breath say i love you i'm not mad at you i i love you but this is wrong and i like the way to bring

00:49:13.500 it back to you i like the way that you worry because you talked about like the mothers involved

00:49:18.780 in that picture can you talk about that a little bit i thought just the way you drew that out was

00:49:22.280 really good yeah and and a lot of this has been like an educational fly for me as well you know

00:49:29.840 listening to people like Allie Bestucki and she's had guests on, um,

00:49:34.420 one woman named Katie Faust who runs an organization called them before us,

00:49:38.600 where it talks about the rights of, of children to a mother and a father. Um,

00:49:43.180 she, she's also a believer.

00:49:44.760 So she's a roots her philosophy around that area in,

00:49:50.260 in the scripture. And, um, I just,

00:49:53.440 I've heard a number of people talk about what happens in particularly this type 0.56

00:49:59.060 of surrogacy when you have a same-sex couple who um take the eggs from one woman and this is what

00:50:07.140 they said they did excuse me they took i think it was 18 eggs from one woman um you know i guess

00:50:16.600 successfully fertilized i don't know exactly how all the things so right there that's what i was

00:50:22.780 on so right there you already have a bunch of children who are frozen those are children

00:50:26.100 right and they're frozen and then they implanted those embryos in two separate women right each

00:50:34.200 each of dave and and his partner who's also named dave both contributed their sperm to

00:50:39.640 you know the eggs so that um they would be they would have a biological connection to each of the

00:50:47.860 children um so even in their actions they understand the importance of biological connection

00:50:55.600 Right. So whether you believe in Genesis or you're a scientism type person who says, I only believe in genetics, it's the pull is there. It's the same pull.

00:51:08.300 right so so they took eggs from one woman implanted them into two other women 1.00

00:51:15.640 and when those women have those children law ruling 1.00

00:51:19.800 none of the three women i'm assuming are going to play the role of mother right for children so 1.00

00:51:28.260 it's this is not even about you know same-sex adoption which again there's there's christian

00:51:35.060 There's a theological ethic to be discussed there. This is the creation of children by means of reproductive technology purely for the benefit of two men who cannot produce children in and of themselves within their own relationship.

00:51:56.320 It's the divorcing of procreation and parenting. 0.76

00:51:58.820 Correct.

00:51:59.220 Which in God's created order are two peas in a pod.

00:52:03.020 It's a package deal.

00:52:04.140 It never was meant to be severed.

00:52:05.920 And you have, oh, procreation is one thing.

00:52:08.640 And procreation doesn't assume parenting.

00:52:10.920 And parenting, in the case of Dave Rubin and Dave and Dave,

00:52:14.580 you know, I can't help but think, I'll say this.

00:52:17.980 You don't have to say this.

00:52:18.660 This is me.

00:52:19.500 But you know you love yourself when you're attracted to your own sex.

00:52:22.960 when you really know you love yourself when you need to find someone who has your own name yeah

00:52:27.160 so anyway but you know but on on dave's side dave and dave um it's parenting apart from

00:52:33.180 procreation right so but on both sides so the mothers are procreating um but but no parenting

00:52:38.020 and and then you have parenting but no procreation and that's that's not god's design to think that

00:52:44.260 we can just do that and that there are no implications for those mothers that there'll

00:52:48.740 be no regret that there'll be no pain that there'll be no sense of loss um and and to you know

00:52:55.160 that the fathers that there'll be no um you know who are not biological fathers but adopted fathers

00:53:00.560 is a thing it's just gay mirage is not a thing that's the part i was adopted so my father did 0.60

00:53:05.860 not you know i was not procreated by him but we do have a biblical theology for adoption that is

00:53:11.440 a legitimate form of parenting um but but not within gay mirage not not within children need

00:53:18.920 a mother and they need a father and so there's there's yeah so it's i mean there's going to be 0.67

00:53:24.300 problems for dave and dave there's going to be problems for these mothers and there's going to

00:53:27.540 be problems for these children and that's the last piece of the puzzle um it shouldn't be last

00:53:32.440 but for our culture that's the that's not even a piece of the puzzle for them but but if it were

00:53:37.120 it would be the last in priority there's no thought there's no concern um people just we

00:53:44.360 live in a world that where children are just they're not loved we live in a world that hates

00:53:49.740 kids at every level from the womb from the moment from the moment of conception um a child is under 0.90

00:53:56.120 constant attack and threat yeah john piper he sucks on politics but one of the things he said 0.98

00:54:02.280 you know back in the day that was good um was he talked about like with the black community he said 0.97

00:54:06.380 that contrary to popular belief,

00:54:07.920 the streets of Chicago

00:54:08.760 are not the most dangerous place 0.97

00:54:09.880 for a black man. 1.00

00:54:11.200 It is rather his mother's womb. 1.00

00:54:13.460 Wait, he said this?

00:54:14.920 Yeah, he said that.

00:54:15.760 Oh, boy.

00:54:16.640 Yeah, John Piper used to say

00:54:17.920 some great stuff.

00:54:19.140 He used to say some great stuff.

00:54:21.820 But he's just saying,

00:54:22.700 statistically,

00:54:23.540 you've got a higher likelihood

00:54:24.660 of dying, you know,

00:54:25.880 and that's across the board,

00:54:27.600 you know, in terms of ethnicities,

00:54:29.280 but especially,

00:54:30.100 especially in the black culture. 1.00

00:54:31.940 It's true. 1.00

00:54:32.520 I mean, it's,

00:54:33.840 there's so much of what you said there

00:54:36.040 that that i agree with um and you use the term severing and and as a as a as humans as sinful

00:54:46.400 fallen people we are constantly trying to sever what god has made whole so even the way that our

00:54:53.700 culture thinks about sex is all about recreation not about you know reproduction so when so when

00:54:59.760 the left talks about you know reproductive justice um it's like well abortion is not

00:55:06.020 reproductive justice one because no sort of moral or philosophical or theological framework that i'm

00:55:14.200 aware of um construes justice as the systematic murder of the innocent right typically what

00:55:22.780 justice means right the other part of it is that by the time an abortion takes place

00:55:27.880 reproduction has already occurred that's right that's so it's not it's not like this stops

00:55:33.220 reproduction it's like no you you kill what is already alive and that which belongs to god

00:55:39.080 so so we've we've changed the way we look at that right we've um certainly severed marriage and

00:55:47.380 child rearing right what to paraphrase annie stanley we've unhitched marriage and and child

00:55:53.700 rearing um and and then we turn around and wonder why we have you know so many of these issues you

00:56:01.040 know as it relates to to parents and children as you said from trying to you know as it relates to

00:56:08.580 you know abortion and then kids come into the world and particularly in this day and age from

00:56:14.280 the time they hit preschool there are people there who think it's their job to indoctrinate them into

00:56:21.080 you know radical gender ideology so then you get kids who are not even done elementary school who

00:56:29.280 question the sex that god assigned to them not the doctor who are on you know hormone treatments

00:56:37.900 and puberty blockers by 10 11 right who are mutilating healthy breast tissue by 15 16

00:56:44.560 and some who are going in for, you know, genital removal or general surgery by 1920, right?

00:56:54.540 So this is, as I said, and I think I said this in the piece, in other places, none of this is loving, none of it is kind. 0.97

00:57:01.520 Christians who think that they're being winsome by tiptoeing around these issues are being cowardly. 0.92

00:57:10.520 But I will say this. I was I was telling my wife this last week, writing this article actually convicted me in a very particular way. 0.96

00:57:19.100 um i was thinking about the christians particularly evangelical leaders who will not address these

00:57:31.060 issues directly particularly when they're given platforms that would reach um let's say the left

00:57:38.700 right liberals democrats so-called progressives because of their fear of man but then i thought

00:57:47.600 Do I not do the same thing as it relates to share my faith with people because I don't want to be seen a particular way?

00:57:56.900 I don't want to say something that may be offensive.

00:58:00.520 And it convicted me, right, which I hope I turn that conviction into a greater sense of boldness, boldness and fearlessness for Christ.

00:58:12.940 not for the sake of my platform not for the sake of my writing but really because you know we're

00:58:18.800 talking about God's creation and we should care enough about people to to tell them the truth

00:58:23.800 and if we saw someone about to drive off a cliff we would be more concerned about their well-being

00:58:30.160 than than our reputation right um and I think you know I didn't I want to acknowledge that

00:58:37.580 to some extent many of us struggle with those um that that tendency to fear man more than we fear

00:58:47.820 god you're right you're absolutely right and i think part of it is you know because of these

00:58:51.560 partnerships and the relationships then ensue because of them um you know if you partner with

00:58:56.220 the left you're really going to have a problem but even if you partner with the right again can

00:59:00.280 merely being conservative does not mean that you're a christian and so there are people within

00:59:04.140 you know the right politically and culturally that we would align with on this and on that

00:59:08.900 but we would not align with on other issues and particularly the issue of the lordship of Jesus

00:59:15.760 Christ and so there is a temptation for over here on on the right side of things there is

00:59:21.700 still that temptation to save face a temptation to you know to be lofty and you know and to have

00:59:27.460 you know the praise and the glory that comes from men so you're absolutely right about that and

00:59:32.540 And when it comes to conservatism, and this is one of the things you said in your article, but we have to realize that apart from Christ, it all leads to chaos.

00:59:40.060 Everything leads to chaos.

00:59:41.040 The question is just which path and how fast are we going to walk?

00:59:45.800 So, I mean, communism leads to chaos real quick.

00:59:49.020 Socialism, pretty quick.

00:59:52.060 But over here, Dave Rubin, what he's espousing still leads to chaos.

00:59:57.680 It's either Christ, there is only one king who can really set order to his world.

01:00:06.020 And apart from him, it is chaos.

01:00:08.140 And the problem is that it's a problem for sinners, but God will not be mocked.

01:00:14.200 A man will reap what he sows.

01:00:16.760 And the piper will be coming, and we're going to have to pay.

01:00:22.120 Right now, we are setting up for ourselves and for our children and our grandchildren a world of hurt financially, sexually, culturally, politically, all these different things.

01:00:36.000 I can't imagine.

01:00:38.020 We were just we just keep putting we just we are running up this insurmountable tab right now as a nation, thinking that we won't have to pay it, thinking that God will be mocked and that we could somehow sow something and never reap it.

01:00:52.760 Right. We think we're going to convince God to forgive our student loan debt like people try to do to the Democrats, right?

01:00:59.820 Yeah, because God is an empathetic God, right? Just like our empathetic president.

01:01:04.200 but i mean there's a couple things you said i wanted to key in on there was one part of column

01:01:09.840 where i i tried to sort of lay out the difference between sort of the left the right and the

01:01:17.700 christian so i said the the left craves political power the right craves you know constitutional

01:01:27.780 freedoms um and and or liberty i think i might say liberty and the christian should not always

01:01:37.000 we don't always but we should crave biblical order and and that is one word that just keeps

01:01:43.700 coming up over and over you know in my writing am i thinking about these issues is order

01:01:48.420 right just so much of our society just is it's chaotic because order is nowhere to be found it's

01:01:57.600 not found in the family. It's not found in the schoolhouse. Sometimes it's not found in the

01:02:01.740 church house. And wherever order is absent, disorder will be present. And sometimes it

01:02:10.280 appears that people can manage it in ways, you know, that don't seem functional. But if disorder

01:02:17.340 is your norm, then it's only a matter of time before, you know, you reap that chaos. And the

01:02:23.960 other thing i wanted to say real quick is um as i said i started writing years ago like over 10

01:02:30.280 years ago and i had a friend at that time i was i wrote i think i was trying to submit a piece to

01:02:37.740 the root so for viewers who may not be familiar the root is like an online site publication

01:02:45.260 that caters primarily to an african-american audience right so i think it was created

01:02:51.080 um a number of you probably over 15 years ago out of the washington post they had people

01:02:57.940 you know henry lewis gates and you know some some intellectuals academics and serious journalists

01:03:04.900 who got it started right and i was i would write things in a way that basically i was

01:03:15.320 arguing both sides of an issue well on this hand well on that hand and some think and they think

01:03:21.280 and she told me i don't hear your voice in this and that to this day that stuck with me

01:03:28.800 and then as i got older and certainly as i matured in my faith i realized that the people who's

01:03:35.940 writing and speaking and preaching I hold most dear are the men who are willing to speak the

01:03:47.380 truth boldly and apologetically right they don't have to raise their voice they don't have to pound

01:03:53.960 the table they don't you know have to use you know coarse language but they will call a thing

01:04:00.300 a thing and that actually helped like like clarify things for me and it helps me in my writing

01:04:07.240 because the worst thing that someone could say to me after reading a column that i've written

01:04:12.300 is i'm not really sure how you feel about that issue or i'm i'm sort of confused on what you

01:04:18.560 meant by x y and z right right because i try to write clearly using clear language with commonly

01:04:24.620 accepted definitions to words that are recognizable to most people um and i try to to for the lack of

01:04:32.060 better term hit with my hardest punch so the examples the metaphors the analogies to draw a

01:04:39.540 clear picture of what it is that i'm trying to say and why it is that i'm trying to say it

01:04:44.180 so when we talk about men like vody bakum or doug wilson or um you know men of of that stature

01:04:51.840 even when i disagree with them on something i appreciate the fact that they're willing to

01:04:58.160 state their views right without a pot without apology without caveat without um sort of a

01:05:05.560 suffocating sense of nuance right without spending you know an hour sermon 15 minutes is the point

01:05:10.960 that they're getting across and 45 minutes is building the escape hatch correct so they can

01:05:15.180 correct get out of there if somebody you know starts to actually criticize and what you see

01:05:21.520 on the left and and and the behavior of the left actually brings us into sharper focus

01:05:26.760 is i find that it's extremely difficult to get people on the left to actually defend their

01:05:34.660 positions with clear words right if you believe that abortion should be legal up until the point

01:05:40.420 of a child drawing his first birth,

01:05:43.520 first breath, excuse me,

01:05:45.400 then why don't you just tell me

01:05:46.560 why you believe that and stand on it.

01:05:49.440 Like, literally, like stand on,

01:05:50.800 like stand on that position like a man.

01:05:53.900 But instead they'll say, 1.00

01:05:56.080 oh, you just want to push women,

01:05:58.340 you know, back into the 1950s 1.00

01:06:00.020 and backyard, back alley abortions.

01:06:02.640 And it's emotionalism.

01:06:04.520 It's name called, it's ad hominem.

01:06:06.400 It's all these things on the gender stuff.

01:06:10.420 on abortion, on COVID policies. I once asked a college professor, you know, we were going back

01:06:17.880 and forth on abortions, a black woman, she's a self-identified radical black feminist, right? 0.95

01:06:24.400 I was familiar with her work. So at one point she said, she made a comment to a different

01:06:28.660 commentator that she's pro-family. And I said, well, no, that's not the case. You've written

01:06:33.360 that it's a good thing that a nuclear family has gone the way of the floppy disk, so to speak.

01:06:40.420 And she was talking about abortion.

01:06:42.780 And I just asked a simple question.

01:06:44.360 Do you believe that human life has inherent value?

01:06:47.940 And her response to me is, that's an incorrect question.

01:06:56.020 Why?

01:06:57.260 You know, like, why is it an incorrect question?

01:06:59.400 These are the type of people that if you send your kid to college to major in, you know, queer studies or ethnic studies or women's studies

01:07:09.420 or anything that ends with studies this is what they're going to be getting right people who 0.59

01:07:16.780 are advancing an ideology that they won't even defend and one of the things that's i feel has

01:07:25.440 freed me up to be bolder in my writing and speaking is the fact that these people have

01:07:32.080 no problem proselytizing in school in in um in culture in media um and they have no problem

01:07:43.640 shaming people who don't hold to their dogmatic belief system right um i think the clearest

01:07:49.740 example of this i didn't write in this piece but i've written in other pieces is you know dr

01:07:55.280 ibram kendi whose belief system has infiltrated big evil yeah whenever you hear jamar tisby

01:08:01.700 talking and saying talking to phil visher saying that you either have to be racist or anti-racist

01:08:08.140 he he is um echoing ibram kidney i was gonna say he's engaging in syncretism right in a syncretic

01:08:18.340 religion where he's taking sort of fistful of christian of christian doctrine and and a tiny

01:08:24.340 bit of Kendi, and he's pushing that off as, you know, sort of an authentic gospel. But

01:08:31.540 Kendi has no problem telling any audience, you are either racist or anti-racist. There's no

01:08:39.560 in-between. You better get with it. But here comes the Christian, even on a Sunday, even outside our

01:08:45.320 church, and we would be scared to make such a bold declaration. So my thing is this, if this is the 1.00

01:08:52.840 marketplace of ideas sometimes i i will paraphrase um frederick douglas who talked about the three

01:09:00.420 boxes of liberty he talked about the ballot box the jury box and the cartridge box right i believe

01:09:05.660 in all three of those it's a fourth one the soapbox so if the public square is going to be

01:09:10.800 democratized and people like ibram kennedy feel comfortable saying you're either a racist or

01:09:15.780 anti-racist then i think christians should feel more comfortable saying look either for christ

01:09:20.940 or against him that's you are you are either going to abide by the order of the god who created this

01:09:27.000 world or you you're going to live in chaos and it doesn't matter how much you try to suppress god's

01:09:33.380 order whether it's sex and sexuality like i brought this up on the show with ridlock

01:09:39.000 one of the most fascinating things that you'll see or that you'll never see is two women who

01:09:47.200 present as masculine as people will call, you know, butch women, you'll never see two of them

01:09:52.120 together ever. It's always one who presents as more masculine and she always goes after a woman 1.00

01:09:58.780 who presents more feminine. So even in their rejection of the creation order as it relates 0.83

01:10:04.000 to male and female, they are trying to act out in their behavior, right? And not even go into

01:10:09.980 how they act this out all the way, but they're trying to act out in their behavior, what God

01:10:16.500 models in his scripture in terms of, I asked my wife this way. I said, which one of them is the

01:10:22.460 dude? And she'll say, well, don't say that. I said, no, but somebody is playing the role.

01:10:26.700 So it doesn't matter how much people try to suppress God's word and his truth and his order,

01:10:32.500 just like a beach ball. You push it down the water. It doesn't matter how,

01:10:36.680 that thing is coming right back up. And I think we're starting to see that.

01:10:39.780 and the increasing darkness in this world

01:10:43.360 has made the little lights that we carry around all day long

01:10:47.640 start to shine even brighter.

01:10:49.800 Yep, I completely agree.

01:10:50.780 I always tell people it's the difference between the dominion mandate

01:10:53.720 versus, well, ultimately just rebelling against God as created order.

01:10:59.300 So the dominion mandate is that we're actually pushing back the curse on nature.

01:11:04.140 So Adam was a federal head, not just for him and his wife

01:11:06.740 and all the future children, not just humanity,

01:11:09.200 But Adam was a federal head of the cosmos, of the whole created order, of the earth itself, which is why when Adam sinned, God doesn't just say you're cursed, your wife is cursed, but cursed is the ground.

01:11:19.900 The earth is actually under this curse.

01:11:22.600 And we see that in scripture, that creation itself is groaning with eager expectations for the sons of God to be revealed.

01:11:28.920 Some of the radical two kingdom kind of guys would hold to that and say, you know, like Michael Horton would be an example.

01:11:34.420 And he'd be right about a lot of things.

01:11:36.120 I like him, but I think he's wrong on this.

01:11:38.200 But Michael Horton would say, you know, that the creation is groaning with eager expectations for the sons of God to be revealed because in the revealing of the sons of God and in their redemption, the earth will soon dissolve like snow, right?

01:11:51.100 Getting to like second Peter's, you know, epistle, but they would hold that in a literal sense that God is going to annihilate the creation, the cosmos, except for humanity.

01:12:01.820 So the only physical thing that will enter into the new heavens and the new earth is our physical body.

01:12:06.240 They have to hold to that because if you don't hold to the resurrection of the body, then you're a heretic.

01:12:10.500 But apart from that, they would say everything is going to, literally God's going to annihilate the creation rather than God actually restoring and redeeming the earth, the new heavens coming to this earth.

01:12:20.020 And so all that gets, you know, that lets you know where I'm at with postmill and all that kind of stuff.

01:12:23.280 But my point is the dominion mandate is not just preaching the gospel, the great commission, but there's the cultural mandate.

01:12:31.980 And in that, there is a pushing back, not just the sin in the hearts of men by preaching

01:12:37.100 the gospel and by the grace of God, there being regeneration and conversion, but actually

01:12:41.640 pushing back the curse of sin as it rests on creation. 0.52

01:12:44.900 So to fight against cancer, which a non-Christian can do by common grace, but to fight against 0.85

01:12:51.260 cancer is that cultural mandate, that dominion mandate, pushing back against the curse that 0.91

01:12:56.980 is on creation, the curse on nature. 0.85

01:12:59.140 Nature is under a curse, but fighting against the genders is not fighting against the curse on 0.99

01:13:05.100 nature, but fighting nature itself. And nature insofar as it's not the curse. And so we have 0.65

01:13:10.640 to distinguish between the world is under a curse because of sin. But there's the curse on the world

01:13:17.920 and then there's God's world. There's the effects of sin on nature. And then there's just nature.

01:13:25.520 You know, I said this in one of my other episodes,

01:13:27.320 but as one great prophet from Jurassic Park,

01:13:29.400 you know, once said, nature always finds a way.

01:13:31.920 You fight nature and you'll find yourself losing that fight

01:13:36.620 because in fighting nature,

01:13:37.960 ultimately what you're fighting is you're fighting God.

01:13:40.740 In the same way that you can't win a battle

01:13:42.720 against the scripture, which is special revelation,

01:13:45.000 God's word, God's speaking.

01:13:47.060 You can't win a battle against the cosmos,

01:13:50.400 against creation, because that's also God's speaking.

01:13:53.500 That is natural revelation.

01:13:54.980 both reveal who God is. Now, you know, natural revelation reveals less of who God is. Romans 1

01:14:02.200 says, you know, his eternal power, his divine nature, whereas, you know, we need special

01:14:05.520 revelation to reveal to us the gospel. But natural revelation does reveal something about God. We

01:14:11.800 have an ordered creation because we have a God of order and not a God of chaos. And so to fight

01:14:16.500 against nature, similar to fighting against scripture, is to fight against the very word

01:14:22.420 of God, which is to fight against God himself. And nobody is going to win that fight. And that's

01:14:28.760 what our, you know, we've gone from, we've gone from using technology and all these different

01:14:33.060 things to fight, you know, in a, in a Christian sense, whether, whether everybody was actually

01:14:38.080 a Christian or not actually regenerate, there was still this Christian worldview, these Christian

01:14:41.500 principles and fighting against the curse on nature. And now it's like, we've turned our,

01:14:46.600 our our weaponry our our sights on nature itself and uh you know somebody i can't remember his

01:14:53.580 name but um said you know in terms of narratives and storytelling that's like every horror movie

01:14:58.500 every especially sci-fi horror movie that's ever been written is you know there's some kind of

01:15:03.260 discovery some kind of innovation um technological development um but then all of a sudden it gets

01:15:11.380 used you know for bad purposes to try to overcome something you know where man tries to play the

01:15:17.200 role of god and try to do something that we're never meant to do and and everything you know

01:15:22.460 create some kind you create dinosaurs and oh then you know you get eaten you create this you know

01:15:27.280 so but it's like i feel like we should have learned this this is like every horror movie

01:15:31.820 there's ever been and that's what we're doing right now we're playing god we're doing it with

01:15:36.120 life we're doing it with gender we're doing it and that's not the curse on nature that's fighting

01:15:40.800 nature itself and you don't win that fight exactly and i think as you said on all these

01:15:46.700 different issues we're we're doing that and you know we the way um you know when my wife and i

01:15:53.820 we moved out of the city and moved slightly outside of dc we were getting a home inspection

01:15:59.760 on our new home and you know it has a deck out back so we'd never had a deck so this was like

01:16:07.440 a big thing to us and it looked great and sturdy and you know spacious and the inspector said

01:16:14.860 you know looks good the problem is it's not attached to the house so you may be on it for

01:16:24.400 a little while but eventually it may collapse and that that was like a perfect metaphor for

01:16:32.120 So when I talk about, you know, Christ or chaos, it's like, okay, it looks good, right? Classical liberalism may get you, you know, freedom of speech and individual rights and so on and so forth. Sure. Now, when you have that sort of philosophical framework in a country that even as you said, if everyone is not Christian, we're a God honoring culture.

01:16:59.620 right is sort of a part of norm imperfect as it as it may be right because people can hear this

01:17:06.660 and say well do you do you want to go back to living in the 1930s and i'm i'm not saying that

01:17:11.880 but what i'm saying is you you had um you know a culture that you know honored god in in many

01:17:20.280 respects you you can have individual liberty in in in terms of having a society a functioning

01:17:30.600 society right yeah because you know that this there's certain things that teenagers won't do

01:17:35.880 they won't beat up old ladies right and steal their cars right you have children who will show

01:17:44.280 a certain level of respect for their elders and their parents and teachers but when you have a

01:17:49.060 society in which no one likes to hear the word no, there are no restraints on behavior, whether

01:17:58.660 that's what people say or do or sexual behavior. What you find is that that sort of nucleus just

01:18:10.600 tends to deteriorate very, very quickly. So you have all these brilliant philosophers who

01:18:17.020 everybody reads i didn't i studied engineering in school right so i'm just that's that wasn't my

01:18:23.360 world but i understand what it's like when you have a beautiful house with a messed up foundation

01:18:30.880 right and just like that inspector told us like it looks good but eventually it's going to collapse

01:18:35.340 i think what you're seeing is the the collapse of much of the west in terms of it's you know the

01:18:44.680 the political order that we took for granted um i don't think it's any coincidence that you don't

01:18:51.600 see the rise of transgenderism in saudi arabia or you know parts of africa right because even

01:19:00.720 though obviously there's those some particular saudi arabia they have a different faith they

01:19:04.960 practice islam but there's still some certain realities that they just abide by and they say

01:19:10.480 No, we would never do that. A man can't be a woman and a woman can't be a man. That's not going down here. But in cultures where liberty and freedom are sacrosanct, if there are no boundaries, if you remove all guardrails, if there's no center that holds everything, then people are going to say, whatever it is that I feel like doing, no one can tell me no. 0.98

01:19:33.740 well why can't i what why can't why can't me why why can't it be two men and a woman in a marriage

01:19:42.740 why not you can be two men or two women why can't you have people right and all of these things are

01:19:50.060 things that we've opened that portal and we have no idea what's coming through well we've ushered 0.97

01:19:56.380 no you're right we've ushered in a new enemy because you compared it to islam you know and 0.67

01:20:00.020 said like, well, in Islam, they would never embrace transgenderism, right? In Islam, they 0.99

01:20:05.200 wouldn't do this, they wouldn't do that. There are certain biblical norms, even though they do not 0.99

01:20:09.760 honor Christ. And a Muslim person by prescribing to the teachings of Islam will be in hell. 1.00

01:20:16.740 They will ultimately, that Islam will take someone to hell. And yet there are still these 1.00

01:20:22.000 norms that we would share, things that ultimately come from God's created order,

01:20:26.580 that come from god's principles um and i think i think what we're experiencing now i think the

01:20:31.020 reason why it's different is because this is a new enemy like so you know i've recently been

01:20:35.180 trying to study a little bit of world history you know because history is always so um isolated and

01:20:40.460 and narrow right you're studying history of a particular nation and you know in a 40 to 50

01:20:45.440 year you know a generation one time short time span uh but looking at like big picture you know

01:20:51.700 um and and looking you know so there's a small little book it's really just a collection of a

01:20:56.560 And it talks about how all the different empires on average lasted about 250 years, whether it be the Roman Empire, which was one of the longest. So it was closer to 400 years. But if you split it up, because technically there was a shift in Rome, so you could count it as two empires.

01:21:13.120 but Ottoman Empire, Babylonian Empire, all these different empires, British Empire, which seems to be, you know, the sun is dawning, you know, or setting on the British Empire, you know, this seems like, and the American Empire, here we are right at that 250 year mark.

01:21:31.780 Now that said, I think, um, I do think that America is different because I think America

01:21:36.340 is the closest we've ever gotten.

01:21:38.200 Um, so I think, you know, Christendom has all of its bad things, you know, um, but that

01:21:42.940 said, um, I think the solution is to try it again.

01:21:45.700 I think Christendom 2.0 and if that doesn't work 3.0, um, I, I think that we should seek

01:21:50.780 to fill, um, the whole earth with the knowledge of God as, as the waters cover the sea.

01:21:55.760 And that doesn't mean everyone's going to be regenerate, but that does believe, I do

01:21:59.480 believe that the nations are Christ's inheritance, and the nations will bow to Christ, one by one. 0.99

01:22:04.540 He's currently ruling over the nations, but I think one by one, we are going to see Christian 0.99

01:22:08.000 nations. I'm all about separation of church and state, so I'm not advocating for theocracy, but I 0.97

01:22:13.060 am advocating for theonomy. I believe that separation of church and state is not the same

01:22:18.400 as separation of God and state. At the end of the day, you know, rush duty, it's either, you know,

01:22:22.800 it's not whether but which, right? So it's either autonomy or theonomy. It's either man's law or

01:22:28.400 God's law. It's either chaos or Christ. And so, so I'm advocating that we would disciple the

01:22:35.320 nations, that we would baptize the nations, that we teach them to obey all of Christ's commands,

01:22:38.720 not just in the home of the church, but also in the third institute that God divinely instituted,

01:22:44.140 the state, the civil realm. And as we do that, my whole point is to say that as we do that,

01:22:50.200 I think that, you know, there are certain enemies that we're going to face. And so you look at all

01:22:55.240 these empires of the past and i think america is probably the closest we've ever gotten there there

01:22:58.980 are there are bugs and features right so um i you know slavery i would say is a bug um you know

01:23:04.600 whereas features i would say you know the constitution and and free speech and individual

01:23:09.600 liberties and property rights and all that these are features and right now what we're doing is

01:23:13.080 we're burning up the features you know and and saying that's the problem it's like well no no

01:23:17.980 no the constitution is not the problem um we had to live up to those ideals and it took us a little

01:23:23.420 while you know but but this was actually good software this was really good software and it was

01:23:28.320 we we were producing a lot on this software and there were some bugs that we needed to work out

01:23:32.600 but we don't we don't need to burn the whole thing down but i think because of our foundation as a

01:23:36.820 nation with america being probably in world history terms the closest to any nation in world history

01:23:43.740 of having the the most similar not a one-to-one ratio but the most similar to christian values

01:23:49.480 apart from, of course, Israel under the old covenant as a true theocracy. I think that maybe

01:23:54.240 we'll get more than that average of 250 years. But like Hezekiah, who cries out to the Lord and

01:23:58.800 repents, and the Lord gives him 15 more years, we're going to have to repent. And as a nation,

01:24:05.640 repentance can't just be a return to principles. It has to be repentance involves the reconciliation

01:24:10.480 to a person. And we're going to have to say his name. And his name is Jesus. He's the one that

01:24:17.860 we've offended. And he's the one that we've trampled underfoot. And we're going to have to

01:24:22.280 look him in the face, as it were. We're going to have to say his name. And if we do, then I think

01:24:27.540 God will heal our land. And I think that we can have more time. I don't think America will

01:24:31.660 necessarily exist all the way till the return of Christ. I think the church will. I think the

01:24:35.640 church will. And I think the nations will be Christian. And if America isn't going to be 0.98

01:24:39.160 Christian, then God will destroy it and use America as fertilizer for the next Christian 1.00

01:24:44.980 nation that will rise in this place. And I think little by little, we'll get closer, 1.00

01:24:49.020 but all that back to Islam. And I think, you know, as we're doing this with nations and empires and 1.00

01:24:53.860 getting closer and all these kinds of things, my view is that there have been lots of enemies that

01:24:57.840 we've had before. Islam is an enemy of Christ. Buddhism is an enemy of Christ. But one of the 1.00

01:25:04.900 most formidable enemies, I think, in terms of human history that we faced, you know, ever before 0.53

01:25:11.100 is secularism and it's a it's a novel enemy uh it really is a novel enemy and i'm not just saying

01:25:17.520 novel like the last five years but the last you know 350 or so years you know tracking it back

01:25:23.900 through you know and there were all these significant pieces right so you have freud you

01:25:27.920 know and the secularization and psychology and you've got marx and there's the economic structure

01:25:32.400 of secularism and you've got all these and but then it was still like okay but physically how

01:25:37.520 do people exist if there's no creator? And then here comes Darwin, you know, and I got an answer

01:25:41.200 for that, you know? And so all these things construct together, um, to, to not have just

01:25:45.800 a false God, but to have no God. Um, and the, and the reality is it's not whether, but which there's

01:25:50.860 always a God, um, but, but the God is man. Um, and so man becomes God, it's autonomy. It's, um,

01:25:57.700 and so with that comes egalitarianism, comes androgyny, comes, uh, feminism, comes all these

01:26:03.520 different thing comes abortion comes that you know all these new things transgenderism and so

01:26:07.420 you're never going to see transgenderism come out of islam that doesn't mean you never see one 0.61

01:26:12.380 individual muslim person embrace it but but out of the islam in general is not going to produce 0.91

01:26:17.900 that kind of evil secularism does is on produces other kinds of evil uh like like taking someone

01:26:26.560 captive and beheading them that's that's pretty bad too but i'm just saying there are different

01:26:31.100 enemies. And one by one, I believe that Christ is subjecting them under his feet as a footstool 0.85

01:26:36.100 for his feet. But secularism may be arguably one of the most formidable enemies that the church

01:26:43.540 has yet faced. And I think we'll beat it just like every other one. The nice thing about secularism

01:26:49.740 though, and really any enemy of Christ, Christ uses his church. I will build my church and the

01:26:56.120 gates of hell will not prevail against it. The gates of hell, that's a defensive mechanism. So

01:27:00.600 It's not the church on the ropes, battered and bruised,

01:27:03.020 and Jesus come in the ninth hour and, you know,

01:27:05.480 in the 12th round, ring the bell and say by the bell, Jesus comes in.

01:27:08.540 But I really believe I will build my church, meaning I will advance.

01:27:12.000 The church will grow.

01:27:12.620 The church will advance.

01:27:13.480 The church will increase.

01:27:14.840 And Christ is going to build his church and hell's on the defense.

01:27:18.440 The gates of hell are on the defense.

01:27:20.460 And the battering ram of the church in the hands of Christ

01:27:23.300 is going to ultimately break those gates down.

01:27:26.020 And my point is Christ defeats his enemies through his church.

01:27:31.500 Pre-mill and post-mill in a nutshell, I would say pre-mill, they believe,

01:27:34.620 Alibeth would be pre-mill, they believe that Christ wins.

01:27:37.020 John MacArthur, I appreciate John MacArthur. 0.96

01:27:39.160 They believe Christ wins despite the church.

01:27:41.320 Post-mill believes that Christ will win through his church.

01:27:44.460 I think that's the difference.

01:27:45.920 But both believe that Christ wins, and by virtue of Christ winning,

01:27:48.540 we, through union with Christ by faith, win as well.

01:27:52.840 Right.

01:27:53.000 But I think that Christ is winning through his church and not just despite his church.

01:27:58.940 And so Christ has beat all these enemies before and still currently, you know, battling and beating enemies through his church.

01:28:05.240 But one other way that Christ beats his enemies is he lets his enemies at times beat themselves.

01:28:11.980 because ultimately um anything that does not acknowledge christ who is the source of all

01:28:19.220 all that is good and all that is lovely the source of life um is like that deck you know that's not

01:28:25.080 attached to the house and eventually it'll collapse you can go out there with a chainsaw

01:28:30.260 and work real hard all day long and take it down um but eventually it'll take itself down 0.98

01:28:35.160 because it has no root it has no and secularism is a is a paris parasite it is a self-defeating 0.96

01:28:43.820 enemy it's it's a it's a formidable enemy it's a terrorizing enemy it's a horrible enemy right but 0.86

01:28:50.040 all these enemies if we're we just think in such such small terms we think about ourselves we think

01:28:55.420 about our culture our lives we think about the next you know the last five years the next five

01:29:00.100 years. But if we pan out and look, all these enemies, their lifespan, it's short in real

01:29:07.320 terms. When we think of thousands of years, 250 years for an empire like that, there was a time

01:29:13.940 where no one thought that they could ever defeat Babylon. Babylon will live forever and it will 0.69

01:29:19.660 rule with an iron scepter and oppress every nation, subject everyone under its power. 0.90

01:29:26.660 and then babylon falls you know and uh secularism will fall yeah and and i think

01:29:33.640 the way you describe that you know so so poignantly um and particularly going full circle

01:29:41.500 with the transgenderism issue when you asked me why i wrote that passage that we started with 0.91

01:29:49.000 that's exactly what i had in mind right like this this this ideology and the behavior that comes

01:29:57.060 with it is not self-sustaining yeah and i don't think certainly me i won't speak for other

01:30:02.280 christians but you know even in the way that i thought about you know sex and sexuality and

01:30:07.400 relationships marriage and family i i know certain things to be true but they're not necessarily

01:30:13.380 top of mind front of mind all the time but it's like you know you put you put two people of the

01:30:19.340 same sex together that's it they cannot be fruitful right they but now they can adopt 1.00

01:30:25.020 and and they can say uh and you'll hear this oh well every every couple can't have children so

01:30:32.000 we're just the same i said well no we're engaged in a category ever right so absent medical issues

01:30:38.540 male and female can reproduce but there's no context in which male and male or female and

01:30:43.680 female can reproduce so you have to benefit from the reproduction of of a male and female but um

01:30:49.480 i think you i i hope what we're seeing and i and i feel like this is the case even among

01:30:57.040 unbelievers who may call themselves conservative i think people starting to see that these

01:31:02.920 ideologies, these ideas

01:31:05.120 cannot sustain

01:31:07.060 themselves, which is why

01:31:08.520 when they actually are put to the

01:31:10.980 test, whether it's

01:31:12.480 the train stuff, one of the

01:31:14.980 funniest may not be the best

01:31:16.800 word, but

01:31:17.440 two years ago, a bunch of people

01:31:20.820 on the left were talking about defunding the police.

01:31:23.200 Right. Some cities and

01:31:24.820 jurisdictions

01:31:25.320 through rhetoric and policy

01:31:28.780 sort of

01:31:30.980 put that into their

01:31:32.040 sort of cultural water stream and airways and then a year and a half later when when you know

01:31:40.220 high-end stores are getting robbed and people are getting killed they turn around and say

01:31:44.640 we don't know what happened right well the the god of this world says punish evil punish it swiftly

01:31:53.540 that's right and decisively that's right so that the people who remain would say we don't want any

01:32:00.240 part of that i mean i was writing a different article and i noticed that in the old testament

01:32:04.260 i i don't have the words correctly but exodus and deuteronomy it was something to the effect of

01:32:09.220 um take this punishment so that the people would see and and fear right something to that yeah

01:32:16.940 yeah no i know exactly it's uh when pun it basically when justice is delayed um the evil

01:32:22.700 abounds something along those lines but it's the same thing in first timothy 5 same principle right

01:32:26.720 rebuke an elder publicly so the rest may stand in fear so it is with justice in the public square

01:32:32.180 correct yeah if justice is is postponed uh then then people think they can get away with murder

01:32:38.300 correct and and when you treat the the criminals regardless of who they are what they look like

01:32:43.780 when you treat them as the victims yes and you treat the law abiding as the perpetrators who

01:32:50.640 are willing to send these people off to jail and you don't care about it and it's social justice

01:32:56.160 means to fight on behalf of the lawbreaker

01:32:58.260 what you have is

01:32:59.960 a society in chaos. So you

01:33:01.840 have some of the same Democrats.

01:33:04.420 I mean, they

01:33:04.900 would beat Jesse Owens in a foot race. They're running

01:33:08.020 so far away from defund the police. Yes, they

01:33:10.100 are. Because they're starting to see

01:33:12.360 what it looks like when they

01:33:16.140 reap what they've sown. But

01:33:17.740 again, if they

01:33:19.100 had believed on God and believed

01:33:21.660 his word and his order

01:33:23.880 for the world that he created,

01:33:25.300 they would have known that this is this is the only place that could have ended of course now

01:33:31.000 my frustration is with the christians and i've heard some who said yeah we need to defund the

01:33:38.560 police you're right now these are people who know better because they some of them have gone to

01:33:43.020 seminary men and women and i'm saying to myself if the god of this world says to punish evil

01:33:50.240 in order to protect the innocent who are you to say no we need to reward evil either by not

01:33:58.380 punishing it or going a step further and saying well we know that paul told the people who were

01:34:04.400 stealing to steal no more and do something useful in your hands but what you have to understand is

01:34:08.220 that they grew up in a social context where there are few resources so the reason that they steal

01:34:13.360 is because and insert whatever pablum you know they're spitting on a particular day

01:34:20.120 um so which is crazy i mean it's just yeah like first century people um they they had plenty

01:34:27.420 but uh right but in america in the 21st century that's that's where it was not enough

01:34:32.980 but this this goes back to secularism and how it is infiltrating the church right the the notion

01:34:39.860 that that man is at his core of material being and if he has all of his material needs met

01:34:48.020 he won't commit crimes is completely ignores you know the scripture i mean

01:34:55.480 um you have you know creation in genesis one and you have you know sort of further pushing

01:35:02.740 into that story and and the first marriage of genesis two and i think genesis three

01:35:08.240 you have to fall yeah but this is for the first murder yeah do i have that right yeah i'm with

01:35:13.520 king so i mean the the people who think well well if everybody just had everything that they needed

01:35:20.880 that we wouldn't have these problems no this is and as i said as a believer these people should

01:35:25.900 should know better they they are importing marxian philosophy um both economic and social

01:35:35.540 into the church and have believers disregarding their Bible.

01:35:42.880 So it's both the, you're either racist or anti-racist

01:35:45.600 and the, you know, we need to address income inequality

01:35:52.420 and inequitable distribution of resources

01:35:55.140 in order to get X, Y, and Z social outcome.

01:35:58.340 Right, the disparity has to equate to discrimination.

01:36:02.120 Correct.

01:36:02.400 And these are all very, very harmful and destructive ideologies to the church.

01:36:07.640 And one of the biggest things that Marx got wrong in his understanding of economics is he thought that wealth was a zero-sum game because he denied the living God.

01:36:16.280 He didn't believe that it was possible that God actually created a world in such a way that the pie can grow, that we can actually multiply resources.

01:36:26.520 And so when you think of it in those terms, I always say it like this.

01:36:29.580 It's completely reversed.

01:36:30.940 So secularism thinks that man is on the inside, right?

01:36:35.700 So the Disney message, follow your heart.

01:36:38.040 So on the inside, man is totally good. 0.67

01:36:41.460 And on the outside, in a physical capacity, man is a leech, right?

01:36:46.720 So we need population control, overpopulation scare, climate crisis, all these kind of things.

01:36:52.380 We need less people because people are fundamentally, speaking of the exterior, people are fundamentally drained.

01:36:59.800 They're a burden.

01:37:00.940 But inside, each individual is a snowflake and unique and special and follow your heart

01:37:05.020 and good, which is the precise opposite of what the Bible teaches.

01:37:08.180 The Bible says on the inside, the heart of man is totally depraved.

01:37:11.580 So on the inside, every intention of his thought was only evil continually, Genesis chapter

01:37:16.640 six.

01:37:17.700 But on the outside, the doctrine of the Imago Dei, creating the image of God, because of

01:37:22.640 that, man is not first and foremost a consumer, but a creator, a lower C creator.

01:37:28.920 We don't create ex nihilo out of nothing.

01:37:31.060 God alone does that.

01:37:32.040 But we do take the resources that God has provided us with, and we do create more.

01:37:36.820 We do multiply.

01:37:38.380 God has created a pie in such a way that it can grow, and he's created man in such a way that he knows how to make that pie grow.

01:37:44.240 And so the Bible would say on the inside bad until conversion.

01:37:48.020 You must be born again.

01:37:48.800 But on the inside bad, that's the doctrine of total depravity.

01:37:51.380 On the outside, good.

01:37:53.440 You can make suspension bridges and cure cancer.

01:37:56.980 Right, right.

01:37:57.600 And one farmer can, with technology and all these kinds of things, can feed thousands of people with his crops, which is exactly the opposite of what the world.

01:38:07.180 So in terms of abortion, it's like 60 million children, give or take, dead in our nation since Roe.

01:38:14.500 And the last, I can't remember exactly what it is at this point, about 50 years.

01:38:20.880 But since that point, you got about 60 million murdered in their mother's womb.

01:38:25.840 And that doesn't even begin to, it's over 100 million easy when you think of early abortion, when you think of the abortion pill, you know, taking a pill and all those kind of, if we're consistent, life begins at conception.

01:38:37.400 And the future generations that never.

01:38:39.380 You're right.

01:38:40.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:38:40.740 Exactly.

01:38:41.080 And those wouldn't be murdered, but those would be people lost.

01:38:43.740 And so the left thinks, secularism thinks in terms of look at how many less mouths we have to feed.

01:38:48.800 But for Christians, we should be thinking how many of those would have been the next Einstein? 0.72

01:38:53.400 How many of those, you know, would have been another Elon Musk? 0.94

01:38:57.680 You know, maybe we'd be in Mars right now, you know, cultivating another planet.

01:39:01.780 Maybe we'd be, you know, like, who knows?

01:39:03.900 Who knows?

01:39:04.880 People, like, what is our view?

01:39:07.180 The problem is right now we are not treating people very well.

01:39:11.580 We are not actually loving our neighbor.

01:39:13.040 We call it loving our neighbor, but we're not loving our neighbor.

01:39:15.600 And the reason why is because we don't understand our neighbor.

01:39:17.500 We have bad anthropology.

01:39:18.720 And the reason why is because we have bad theology.

01:39:20.680 we don't know god and if apart from knowing christ uh we can't know man and and we we think

01:39:26.180 we think wrong things about mankind and so then we do wrong things to our fellow man um things that

01:39:32.980 you know it's just a little common sense like that's that is mutilation it's like no right

01:39:37.920 it's liberation you know it's like but but but you can't see it because you don't know you don't

01:39:42.880 understand man and you don't understand man because you won't listen to god god told you who

01:39:47.320 man is and you just won't listen and you ignore yeah so i'll give you the final word because i

01:39:51.880 know i know we've been going long but go ahead and and you land the plane so i mean i i think

01:39:57.320 you said that beautifully um i've started to say that you know we mentioned that people say you

01:40:04.600 know is it politics is downstream from culture right i would say i've been saying that sociology

01:40:11.600 is downstream from theology, but I think anthropology is maybe a step, you know, in between

01:40:17.700 those two, and that people who do not understand God and the world that he created are inevitably

01:40:27.760 not going to understand man, and when you talked about how we're not loving our neighbor,

01:40:32.760 I used some imagery in that column. I talked about, you know, people with a hunk of flesh

01:40:39.580 missing out of their leg that that actually is a cover i think it was new york magazine

01:40:43.240 of a of a woman that's right thinks that she's a man and the doctors took a hunk of flesh out 0.97

01:40:51.320 of her leg and just on the cover to to fashion a penis um and this is celebrated in our country 0.97

01:41:01.260 as some sign of progress now you can tell that this person is a woman because one of the things 0.98

01:41:07.300 that i've learned is the hips never lie you're right you're right so i don't i don't care what

01:41:13.500 you take from it's like they just they just don't lie they they they speak of god's glory in terms of

01:41:19.540 his creative power but um i'm i am not for uh aiding and abetting and encouraging people 0.74

01:41:29.740 to mutilate their bodies to poison their minds to kill their children to destroy their families

01:41:38.260 in and in the name of winsomeness love or affirmation that's right um if saying those 0.98

01:41:46.400 things makes me you know disreputable if it means that i don't get invited to certain parties or

01:41:54.020 certain, you know, the cool kids, whether secular or within the church, don't want to hang out with

01:42:00.820 me. I'm fine with that. I will go on trying to grow where I'm planted and to love my wife and

01:42:07.660 my children and my church family the best that I can to be a service and asset in my community

01:42:13.720 and to proclaim God's truth as boldly as I can for as long as I can. So that's really where I

01:42:20.300 right now and and you know i'm thankful for brothers like you who are out in the front lines

01:42:26.960 and you know shepherding your flock and and and teaching and sort of training people up and to

01:42:34.540 see what is going on in this world not not to live in despair because i think that that can be

01:42:40.580 um tempting at times oh what was me the world is so terrible everything is so messed up

01:42:45.740 but to train them to be happy warriors. Right. Right. That's right.

01:42:49.920 That's, that's the way I think about it right now. And that's,

01:42:52.240 that is what I'm trying to do with my own family and to think

01:42:57.220 generationally. Right. I'm, I'm all for history and,

01:43:02.160 and I respect the past and my ancestors,

01:43:04.540 but any culture that spends more time focusing on the society that its

01:43:14.240 ancestors endured rather than the one its descendants will inherit is going to be in

01:43:19.660 trouble that's a good way um so you know i'm thinking generally generationally i think i

01:43:25.020 think i heard votie talk about that he's raising when he's talking about his kids he was i'm raising

01:43:29.700 my grandchildren's parents and i sort of borrowed that um and and i i want to be a patriarch right

01:43:37.640 I want when I get to 75, 80, Lord willing, my children and their children come to me because the way I've lived my life as a believer in this world indicates to them that I'm a source of wisdom.

01:43:53.460 that that's the that's the future that i would want for myself and by god's grace i'll get there

01:43:59.720 but this this me first i'll destroy my family because it's not fulfilling me both men and

01:44:08.120 increasingly women um that that type of house won't stand because it's it's divided in a way

01:44:16.160 that just is not sustainable for the future. 1.00

01:44:20.100 So I'm thinking, I'm looking downrange all the way.

01:44:25.380 Fourth and fifth generation squires is.

01:44:28.040 That's what I'm looking at.

01:44:29.400 And as I said, I'm thankful for brothers like you

01:44:31.960 who are out there, you know, in the trenches,

01:44:35.600 in the foxholes.

01:44:36.780 And as I said, by God's grace, we will be victorious.

01:44:40.380 Amen.

01:44:41.120 Amen.

01:44:41.760 Thanks for coming on the show, Delano.

01:44:43.140 I really appreciate it.

01:44:44.020 Thanks for having me, man.

01:44:44.780 Yeah.

01:44:45.040 All right.

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The NXR Podcast - March 29, 2022

THEOLOGY APPLIED - Dave Rubin： Why ＂Conservative＂ Is Not Enough

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