00:04:41.900If 100 men in peak physical condition were stranded on an island with 100 transgender women in 100 years, not a single person on the island would be alive and no new generations would have been created.
00:04:57.480The question we should answer as a society is whether enshrining such radical changes in our laws and culture is a sign of progress.
00:05:06.160In 15 years, there will be thousands of adults with serious mental illness and conversion regret who will be rightfully upset at the adults who failed to tell them the truth and love.
00:05:17.560Some of these individuals will be missing hunks of their flesh from their legs and other parts of their bodies that were used to fashion artificial sex organs.
00:05:25.920Christian leaders who are largely silent on these issues are neither loving nor kind.
00:05:31.740The evangelical church should be taking the lead in answering those questions.
00:05:35.560But an honest observer can see the unspoken compact between the sacred and the secular realms that has developed over time.
00:05:47.720What kind of inspired you to write that?
00:05:50.120I was trying to find a way to really capture sort of the the ideology that we're dealing with.
00:05:59.640And as someone, you know, I grew up in a church. I grew up in church. I did not come to sort of reform theology, so to speak, until I was maybe five, six years ago.
00:06:12.080So much, much later in life. So issues around sexual ethics and biblical worldview are ones that were sort of in my orbit.
00:06:23.680But I didn't I didn't have a fully sort of fleshed out worldview as it related to, you know, sex and marriage and some of these other things.
00:06:33.660I mean, again, I had I think I had a biblical view of marriage. One man, one woman for one lifetime. Right.
00:06:40.060but it was hanging in midair a lot of guys right so it's like a lot of guys know what but they
00:06:45.300didn't know the why so they they have the right view but it's hanging in midair they don't have
00:06:48.520the framework to actually root it and say it springs out of blank exactly exactly so so when
00:06:54.760i when i thought about the issues and particularly as it relates to transgenderism right because this
00:06:59.100is just it's wordplay we we know that a transgender woman is a is a man right he
00:07:05.760he may have cut his hair he may have um you know wearing women's clothes he may go by a different
00:07:13.200name but he's still a man every every cell in his body says that he's a male that's right um so i
00:07:18.500wanted an example that would show exactly how male a transgender woman is so this really was
00:07:28.020to counter the narrative and i'm sure you've seen this where people will say oh um transgender women
00:07:33.040are women okay well if they really were again you get 100 guys in peak physical condition and you
00:07:39.180get 100 actual women in peak physical condition and absentee you know medical issues and so on
00:07:45.500and so forth you can be those people can be fruitful but the um sort of 100 but 100 men
00:07:54.760100 transgender women correct cannot be fruitful correct correct and i wanted to sort of point out
00:08:00.820that this this thing terminates at those two individuals that's right you you cannot um be
00:08:08.180faithful to god's command to be fruitful and multiply and and actually this hit me today
00:08:13.280in a different way i was going to tweet about it but i'll say here first you have people who
00:08:18.940whose entire worldview in terms of creation is based on darwinian evolution who are embracing
00:08:26.180an ideology that if you take their worldview to its logical end they will cull themselves from
00:08:33.300the herd right because they they just they that would be their their contribution to natural
00:08:40.760selection um and that's sort of what i was trying to get at when i when i make when i use that that
00:08:46.860passage the other part of it towards the the latter part was um as i said the compact it's
00:08:54.680quiet compact but i noticed it from big eva right some of these prior church prior church ministries
00:09:02.280the the the pastors and the public theologians men and women right um who use social media to
00:09:11.980comment on every social issue i mean when when a 17 year old kid from east of kentucky with a
00:09:18.080MAGA hat on as a half a smirk these people they summon and they say oh this is the face of white
00:09:24.860privilege and so on and so on and so forth but then when you see these issues going on I mean
00:09:29.460and no they never apologize they never correct that's the other thing they never walked it back
00:09:34.300but when you see these issues going on and these are civilizational issues right I mean these are
00:09:38.640types of things where if you can't get male and female right you can't get anything right you're
00:09:43.660talking about like foundational stuff and these people will never say like hit they will never
00:09:51.040hit on the the gender ideology and the sexual orientation ideology nearly as hard as they hit
00:09:58.840on issues of racism or sexism so when they go to the atlantic or when they're featured in the new
00:10:05.360york times i already know what they're going to say right they're going to give me sort of uh
00:10:11.000they're either going to be silent or they're going to handle these issues with
00:12:33.520It's kind of like if you ever seen a movie where there's like a big honking, you know, hulking bully who's like six feet tall and it's like he's failed the eighth grade, you know, three times.
00:12:42.200He's twice the size of all the other kids and he's picking on somebody and that person doesn't want to lose face because everybody's standing around, you know, in the lockers and watching this thing go down.
00:12:52.200And so he, you know, says something really strong to the shrimpy kid next to him who's standing next to the bully.
00:13:01.960you know and i'm grateful for things that these guys have done in the past but right now it's like
00:13:05.720you know it's like the enemies at the gate you've got you know the undoing of god's created order
00:13:10.800down to its rudimentary form of male and female and and they're picking on the kid with a smirk
00:13:16.600on his face and a mag hat like you you know so you got a giant goliath is standing right in front of0.78
00:13:21.180you and instead you're talking to one of the philistines next to him as though he's the actual0.94
00:13:25.560threat because you know because you don't want to say nothing because then you're seen as a coward
00:13:29.880So you've got to say something, but you can't actually say something to the real threat, to the real giant, because you're afraid.
00:13:38.240And I think this brings up a number of really important issues.
00:13:42.280And I think issues that at some point every believer is going to have to deal with.
00:13:47.760Right. One of them is what happens when the desire to be seen as respectable, you know, among the people who hate you, makes you sort of shave down, smooth the rough edges of the gospel, of God's word, or even just of nature.
00:14:10.880right um when when you want to be respected by the atlantic crowd or the new york times crowd
00:14:16.620this is the way that you have to speak this is the way you have to carry yourself
00:14:19.860um and i i understand that i see that because i i read a lot of people
00:14:26.160one of the benefits as i said of coming to you know reform theology later in life
00:14:32.340is I get to see some of these, for lack of a better term,
00:16:45.600i said there's probably no one who has a better pulse on what is going on um who can see over
00:16:52.920the hill to see what's coming right now than doug wilson yeah i agree and it's one of those things
00:16:59.540where i think if i grew up in in big eva that's right yeah i would have had enough people to tell
00:17:05.460me oh you can't listen no you're right no you're right so yeah you'd have the nostalgia with some
00:17:09.680people that you really shouldn't be listening today because because they're not being courageous
00:17:13.600and being faithful today and then you'd also be tainted with some of the guys that you should
00:17:17.820listen to because you're right Doug Wilson has been you know he was blacklisted a very very very
00:17:21.780long time ago but there you know once upon a time he was at uh Ligonier conferences sitting on the
00:17:26.080stage with panels with R.C. Sproul so it wasn't always that way but something happened along the
00:17:30.560lines where you know he he spoke on some things that he wasn't that were against the code
00:17:35.940and and he got dismissed you know yeah and and as i said i think his his comfort with being
00:17:44.640seen as you know not respectable quote unquote makes gives him the courage to say things that
00:17:52.580other people just won't say and and and and i'll i'll sort of bring this home to some sort of
00:17:58.800tangible issues, right? There's a way in which when I listen to certain personalities within
00:18:07.740evangelicalism, even when they engage issues of race, and I'm talking Black pastors now,
00:18:13.700I know that there's less than a 1% chance that any of these people are going to use the words
00:18:20.220Father, marriage, family, responsibility, because to them, if you take a focus off of, again, Nick Salmon and the Covington kids, and you ask questions about, okay, what about the crimes that are going on in our cities, in Philadelphia, in New York, in Baltimore?
00:18:45.020what about you know when black folks are victimized by other black people is that not a
00:18:50.680problem they'll say no that's it you you're you're trying to move um attention away from0.95
00:18:56.040white privilege and anti-racism and so on and so forth and i'm to the point now i'm just like
00:19:01.580i'm not i'm not questioning these people their their faith it's just that type of leadership0.96
00:19:09.320is useless to me right i agree that type of leadership only particularly for me as a black
00:19:16.560man that is the type of thing that if i raise my sons in that they would become adult males who0.79
00:19:24.400live their entire lives on their knees right asking to be validated and affirmed by people
00:19:29.860that they don't know because they think that those people owe them something even though those people
00:19:35.620have never sinned against them and have never met them but from listening to some of these leaders
00:19:40.860right now both black and white who play different roles on one side you have the extortionist and
00:19:46.780the other side you have the paternalist um that type of ideology would not allow me to raise my
00:19:53.600sons as men who stand on their feet as image bearers right and interact with other people
00:19:59.000who look different from them as brothers and sisters in Christ, as opposed to acting like
00:20:05.840children who are seeking the validation of their parents. And I'm not talking about me and their
00:20:11.280mom. You know what I mean? So. Yeah, no, I hear you. What you're talking about, you know, like,
00:20:14.900so making a mountain, you know, out of a molehill and, you know, taking this peripheral issue over
00:20:19.660here, you know, about one individual, you know, white person and their privilege versus, all right,
00:20:25.340we've got, I mean, let's look at the statistics of black-on-black crime that's going on in our
00:20:29.760major cities here in America. That whole thing of shifting the focus, Jesus had an illustration for0.85
00:20:34.560that, a metaphor. He said that the Pharisees, they would strain a gnat and swallow a camel.
00:20:39.840You know, and that's exactly what it is. And even that being said, I'm not of the position
00:20:46.320that there are no downstream effects, right? So we always say, you know, politics is downstream
00:20:51.100of culture. And that's true to an extent, but I think it's less of a stream and more of a two-way
00:20:55.680street. I think that often, you know, that culture is downstream of politics as well. You know,
00:21:00.760that sometimes you put something in at the legislative level and then people begin abiding
00:21:07.540by it and they begin to change their thought process. And, you know, and so even with black
00:21:12.440culture, I think, you know, some of the things I'm like, well, you know, some of this is the
00:21:17.140soft bigotry of low expectations. Some of this is systematic, but it's not the way that you mean by
00:21:23.020systematic, you know? And so I think, you know, when you incentivize a black mother not to marry0.98
00:21:29.720the father of her children, right? And you're doing this across the board, but you're doing0.81
00:21:34.140it in such a way that it is disproportionately affecting somebody else, you know, like that,
00:21:39.680there is a systematic effect of that, but it's not the systematic racism that people are talking
00:21:45.960about today. It's quite the opposite. It's what you're talking about, the fear that you would
00:21:51.340have as a father with your own sons, that if you raise men to be fragile, if you raise them to be
00:21:57.420victims, if you raise them to be entitled, then you are hating your sons. You are hating your
00:22:03.160children and you are going to set them up and they'll be responsible later on for the bad choices
00:22:07.360they made, but you also will be responsible. So there is a string there. There is responsibility
00:22:11.900that comes from from others that has had a negative influence but it the irony is it's like
00:22:17.900the exact opposite of what the you know the the woke progressive elites in our culture today are
00:22:24.840saying it is they're saying it's um it's all this discrimination and i would say yeah it is
00:22:29.300discrimination but but on on the other side of the equation yeah so and and and and i see that
00:22:35.880every day i mean it's it's one of these things where again even around marriage and family which
00:22:41.640I write and talk about a lot it's a big and which is you know dovetails perfectly with you know the
00:22:48.000column we were looking at but um it it is it's one of these things where I know if I if I was
00:22:55.800to start a national campaign around marriage right multi-racial multi-ethnic everybody's in
00:23:01.680but for the the component that sort of focus on the black community because there are some
00:23:07.760specific challenges there in terms of why people think marriage disappeared and i took that to the
00:23:14.680naacp and i said hey i want you guys to join on with me they said no no thanks now if i took them
00:23:21.640a same-sex adoption campaign oh yeah they'll they'll join on with that right um so it's one
00:23:30.560of these things where getting back to sort of big eva you need people i mean i think i said this
00:23:37.080later in the column we we got ushers when we needed guardians um and it's and it's one of the
00:23:43.480things that um to be quite frank i think the um feminization of the church writ large
00:23:53.920ushered in a number of changes in terms of how people communicate um what types of things get
00:24:04.580letting the door because women generally speaking tend to care more about people having a sense of
00:24:10.960belonging feeling included you know feeling comfortable they tend to be more relational
00:24:16.200and that's the perfect type that that is exactly who you want when it comes to making a home
00:24:23.740or making people feel comfortable in a particular space that's not the person you want when it comes
00:24:31.620to guarding the city gate yes and a lot of men have abdicated their responsibility both in the
00:24:37.700church in the community and even in the home i mean some of the things i write about and my kids
00:24:42.380are small six three and two but i know that there's some guys who are just as afraid to say
00:24:51.560anything to their teenage daughters as they are to their wives right if they really thought you know
00:24:58.280I don't want my daughter wearing, you know, some tight shorts with the word juicy across the bottom.
00:25:04.480But I don't you know, I don't who am I to tell her what to do with her body?
00:25:08.960And she's 16. And, you know, it's one of those things where if you I think I think we're reaping what we've been sowing for generations and for generations,
00:25:22.480Christians men who have not been willing to lovingly stand up to the people in their lives1.00
00:25:28.780that they care about the most, we're seeing that those men also will not stand up for them.1.00
00:31:48.220And I think, as you said, we need people, and particularly men, with courage.
00:31:56.640I will say this, because I think sometimes maybe to an outsider, it can be difficult to understand how people with our worldview view the role of women.
00:32:11.500I will say this. Some of the most courageous people I follow on social media are Christian women.
00:32:18.620many of them are stay-at-home moms many of them are homeschool moms i mean they have and show a
00:32:26.140lot more courage than some of the guys i follow even some of the christian men to be quite frank
00:32:31.280especially the ones with the largest platforms um they are committed to their families they love and
00:32:39.100respect their husbands um they're they love and protect their children and they and they realize
00:32:45.400something that both the broader culture and much of the church does not realize, which is that the
00:32:51.380people who are shaping the hearts and minds of the next generation have the most important job
00:32:57.940in any society. Now, we give lip service to that in our culture. We'll say, oh, teachers are the
00:33:03.840greatest, appreciate teachers, until a woman says she wants to stay home and teach her own children.1.00
00:33:09.120Right. Then it's, oh, you're, you know, you're wasting your college degree and you could be1.00
00:33:13.660doing more with your life right um but i think you know this is why you know women need to know0.95
00:33:22.520their bible christian women need to know their bibles right they need to be as sort of thoroughly
00:33:29.020familiar with the gospel and the scriptures and the different genres and what it all means and
00:33:35.180applying it practically and apologetics and so on and so forth as their husbands right because
00:33:41.280they have an extremely important job and because they're training children yeah women need to be
00:33:45.720educated sometimes you know correct in my in my realm which is very very conservative and
00:33:50.200patriarchal and post-mill and theonomic i'm i'm all all the things you're not supposed to be i
00:33:54.220would be all those things um you know 1689 confessional congregational the whole nine yards0.53
00:33:58.820but um in my world sometimes people are like man well i you know i should women really go to college
00:34:04.040and and rack up you know 60 000 of debt and bring that into the marriage when all they really want
00:34:08.260to do, you know, is be a faithful wife. And we're talking about a Christian woman and, you know,
00:34:12.240and a mother. And I would completely agree and say, yeah, that's foolish to rack up all that1.00
00:34:16.700debt. However, that doesn't mean that no woman should go to college because primarily women0.98
00:34:21.080are going to be educators. They're going to be educating their children. And so we want them to
00:34:26.000be educated. We want brilliant mothers who are faithfully training their children and raising
00:34:33.120them up and teaching them. And it's what you said, you know, it's, you know, you said the
00:34:36.880teachers, you know, it's like, oh, well, you know, the teachers, we praise them for shaping the next
00:34:40.880generation. And the old adage was, the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. And we still
00:34:47.220praise that hand. We just think now that it belongs to the state. So the hand, we just,
00:34:53.120we still say the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. And that hand is attached to the arm
00:34:58.040of the state because now we outsource the rocking of the cradle. We outsource and our government
00:35:04.420wants to extend that as far as it can let's get two extra years before school starts state school
00:35:09.300with you know that that state uh state funded child care and then let's you know college keeps
00:35:14.240extending further and further people were just like career students who never actually joined
00:35:18.620the work and so it's just and it's just all within the state so we still recognize as a culture that
00:35:24.320those who are shaping the next generation are vitally important uh we just don't think that
00:35:29.520that shaping primarily should take place with families. We think it should primarily take
00:35:34.600place with the state. And then we wonder why the world is looking the way it is, right? Because
00:35:44.020as you said, we've outsourced that job to the state, but the state is not satisfied with rocking
00:35:49.460the cradle. The state wants to reach into the crib and touch your child, which is why they're
00:35:54.300pushing gender ideology on children as young as three years old.
00:35:58.780In D.C., you can start pre-K at three years old.
00:36:02.680I've seen materials and I've posted some, you know, online where they talk about introducing
00:36:08.500transgenderism to three-year-olds using, you know, a YouTube video of this show called
00:36:14.700I Am Jazz with this teenage boy who thinks he's a girl, got all sorts of surgery, so
00:36:20.320and then the lesson plan says you know introduce the terms transgender and non-binary this is for
00:36:27.320three-year-olds so the state is not just content to rock the cradle right they they want to touch
00:36:33.460your child that's that's if that is if your child actually makes it here alive because now the state
00:36:39.620is saying that's right up until your child draws his first breath maybe you know if you if you if
00:36:46.480you're not sure whether you want it right and it's the the their the left's play on abortion
00:36:51.840has moved from endangering the life of the mother to i want to say it's the terms that i've seen is
00:36:59.800like life or health right certainly health can mean mental health exactly that includes psychological
00:37:04.860mental health and what you know yeah and and that opens the door for you know i just don't think i
00:37:09.580can do it i'm going to be depressed so on and so forth so we have allowed i think bad theology
00:37:16.240and i'm talking about christians now have allowed the arms and tentacles of the state
00:37:21.280to extend further and further into our lives the way i put it on the show with jason woodlock is
00:37:26.980um uncle sam has morphed into daddy sam yeah right you're right he no longer stays in the
00:37:34.880basement he's you know stay a couple weeks at a time all right he's taken up this is his house
00:37:40.460now he or so he thinks right and he said i've sent your dad away because you know the scriptures
00:37:45.240say if you want to you know rob a house you got to tie up the strongman that's right i've sent your
00:37:49.780dad away and i'm the captain now and a lot of people covid has certainly revealed this um have
00:37:59.220a desire to be led as much as they talk about they they don't like um they don't like rules
00:38:08.500they don't like authority the last two years have made it crystal clear that some people
00:38:14.240have a desire to be ruled um it's just a matter of who is going to be doing the ruling and where
00:38:19.840i live you know my wife and i took the kids to the playground the other day and i'd say at least
00:38:25.82070 of the kids the children outdoors are still wearing masks right not not in texas man but go
00:38:34.940ahead i'm sorry to hear that so it's but you're right yeah people have lost their minds yeah yeah
00:38:40.980And I think, you know, going back to the column, one of the reasons I wanted to write it is because, you know, what started with love this, hate the sin, love this, no, hate the sin, love the sinner.
00:38:58.760and tolerance has moved to love is love and complete affirmation as it relates to all
00:39:09.000things related to sex sexuality marriage and family right and we're at a point now where
00:39:16.900the the the the nuclear family the way we've thought about it it i feel like we're in a state
00:39:24.200the fissure right where the whole thing is falling apart um and the energy that's going to be
00:39:31.320released from that is something that none of us i think really understand the true impact of and
00:39:36.980and one of the things that happened last week and i talked about in the piece you know with
00:39:42.020dave rubin and right yeah sort of i don't want to say darling of the right but certainly respected
00:39:47.740on the right a self-professed classical liberal who's gay who was an atheist at one point it
00:39:53.880says he's seeking now grew up you know as a secular jew in new york um when he says that him
00:40:01.100and his quote-unquote husband are expecting two babies not twins one in august one in october
00:40:07.080and you see conservatives and some self-professed christians saying congratulations this is a great
00:40:14.500such a great thing i think that really sent a shockwave through sort of the online conservative
00:40:22.020right i think it was a necessary shockwave because it can be very tempting to associate
00:40:30.100conservatism with christianity yeah now to be fair some of these people have never professed christ
00:40:36.040right so we projected things onto them that they never accepted on themselves but um i think every
00:40:43.940christian conservative should be ready and willing to live as an outlaw and outcast and a renegade
00:40:49.820Right. Because this is this is we see where the lines are going.
00:40:55.280And some of this is, you know, some of us, even some believers do not have sort of a fully or theology as it relates to some of these issues.
00:41:05.900Right. Abortion. Sure. The vast majority of evangelicals say we're against abortion.
00:41:12.440but when it comes to you know reproductive technology and vitro fertilization surrogacy
00:41:19.200um i think there's a lot of territory that's been left unexplored oh absolutely i i remember
00:41:26.640doing counseling with you know a couple they weren't actually a part of our church but they
00:41:31.520were related to somebody who was part of our church and 13 of their children are frozen you
00:41:36.620know so they you know they took two and one split so they ended up having triplets um but they you
00:41:43.040know they right better safe than sorry let's get a whole bunch of you know fertilized eggs in here
00:41:48.820um you know so that you know because if the procedure doesn't work you know it's expensive
00:41:53.080to do it again we don't want to spend the money twice but not thinking about the the real moral
00:41:58.600implications of that those are children if we believe that life begins at at fertilization
00:42:04.780not implantation because the medical community has changed that you know so that's why even the
00:42:10.260pill the birth hormonal pill oh you know because if you ask your doctor that's the problem is you
00:42:14.660know i i used to say that when i was a little bit more naive you know five six seven years ago i
00:42:19.480would say well ask your doctor you know if you're talking about birth control and and ask him
00:42:23.680explicitly is it abortive but the problem is the doctor will say no because they've changed where
00:42:27.760life begins so it's it's implantation rather than fertilization so you know the three primary
00:42:33.500measures of the hormonal birth control pill is, you know, there's the thickening of the cervical
00:42:39.100fluid so the sperm can't make it to the egg. There's also the trying to make the egg to where
00:42:44.300it doesn't actually drop. Those are both preventative. But the third measure is the
00:42:48.520thinning of the uterine lining so that if an egg is actually fertilized, it has an inhospitable
00:42:55.940habitat where it has no choice but to die. And so you don't know, and you're playing Russian0.87
00:43:03.920roulette. So you say, well, some would argue in the Christian world, some would say, well,
00:43:07.780it's fine because they would argue if the first two preventative measures are failing, then we0.51
00:43:12.720should assume that the third is failing as well. But that's not based off of testing. That's not
00:43:16.940based off of actually observing that that happens, that if the first two fail, then the third always
00:43:21.740fails. Because that's what you have to argue. You'd have to say that if the first two measures
00:43:25.000that are preventative fail, then this third measure, the thinning of the uterine wall,
00:43:30.180that that always fails with it. Because if the first two fail and the third remains intact,
00:43:35.040then you've just set up the context for the death of your child. And even for those who come off of0.96
00:43:41.660the birth hormonal pill, the first two, so the cervical fluid begins to thin again, you know,
00:43:47.520and then it's not as thick. And so sperm are able to make it to the egg, you start producing eggs,
00:43:51.100all these kinds of things, and woman starts going on her period. But what has been tested,
00:43:54.700and has been proven is that the uterine lining sometimes could take six months, sometimes could
00:44:00.240take a year to thicken. And so you're trying to have a kid and you don't even know because these
00:44:05.140would be very, very, very, what we would consider to be very early miscarriages. But it is the death
00:44:11.360of a child because it's not implantation, it is fertilization. And so women and men leading them0.98
00:44:19.080men that are killing their children. And these are good Christian couples, even who just don't
00:44:24.640know. They don't, they have not been educated on these things. And that's to say nothing about,
00:44:29.940you know, the, what is, I always get mixed up, IUD or IUD. What is it that goes in the arm?
00:44:38.220One of them is a bomb with soldiers. And one of them is IUD. Yeah. So the IUD, sometimes I say
00:44:46.560IED and they're like, Joel, that is, that is a bomb. That is not the same thing. Um, but you
00:44:51.480know, it's the same kind of thing. It's a, it is abortive by nature. If we believe that life begins
00:44:55.960at fertilization and then certainly in vitro, um, you're, you know, and, and, you know, there's a
00:45:00.380snowflake program that they have where you can adopt, you know, the, uh, fertilized eggs that
00:45:05.100somebody doesn't want. Um, and I've counseled couples in doing that, you know, so some of
00:45:09.260these frozen children, um, do get adopted, but many of them do not. Many of them stay frozen
00:49:53.440I've heard a number of people talk about what happens in particularly this type0.56
00:49:59.060of surrogacy when you have a same-sex couple who um take the eggs from one woman and this is what
00:50:07.140they said they did excuse me they took i think it was 18 eggs from one woman um you know i guess
00:50:16.600successfully fertilized i don't know exactly how all the things so right there that's what i was
00:50:22.780on so right there you already have a bunch of children who are frozen those are children
00:50:26.100right and they're frozen and then they implanted those embryos in two separate women right each
00:50:34.200each of dave and and his partner who's also named dave both contributed their sperm to
00:50:39.640you know the eggs so that um they would be they would have a biological connection to each of the
00:50:47.860children um so even in their actions they understand the importance of biological connection
00:50:55.600Right. So whether you believe in Genesis or you're a scientism type person who says, I only believe in genetics, it's the pull is there. It's the same pull.
00:51:08.300right so so they took eggs from one woman implanted them into two other women
00:51:15.640and when those women have those children law ruling
00:51:19.800none of the three women i'm assuming are going to play the role of mother right for children so
00:51:28.260it's this is not even about you know same-sex adoption which again there's there's christian
00:51:35.060There's a theological ethic to be discussed there. This is the creation of children by means of reproductive technology purely for the benefit of two men who cannot produce children in and of themselves within their own relationship.
00:51:56.320It's the divorcing of procreation and parenting.0.76
00:54:33.840there's so much of what you said there
00:54:36.040that that i agree with um and you use the term severing and and as a as a as humans as sinful
00:54:46.400fallen people we are constantly trying to sever what god has made whole so even the way that our
00:54:53.700culture thinks about sex is all about recreation not about you know reproduction so when so when
00:54:59.760the left talks about you know reproductive justice um it's like well abortion is not
00:55:06.020reproductive justice one because no sort of moral or philosophical or theological framework that i'm
00:55:14.200aware of um construes justice as the systematic murder of the innocent right typically what
00:55:22.780justice means right the other part of it is that by the time an abortion takes place
00:55:27.880reproduction has already occurred that's right that's so it's not it's not like this stops
00:55:33.220reproduction it's like no you you kill what is already alive and that which belongs to god
00:55:39.080so so we've we've changed the way we look at that right we've um certainly severed marriage and
00:55:47.380child rearing right what to paraphrase annie stanley we've unhitched marriage and and child
00:55:53.700rearing um and and then we turn around and wonder why we have you know so many of these issues you
00:56:01.040know as it relates to to parents and children as you said from trying to you know as it relates to
00:56:08.580you know abortion and then kids come into the world and particularly in this day and age from
00:56:14.280the time they hit preschool there are people there who think it's their job to indoctrinate them into
00:56:21.080you know radical gender ideology so then you get kids who are not even done elementary school who
00:56:29.280question the sex that god assigned to them not the doctor who are on you know hormone treatments
00:56:37.900and puberty blockers by 10 11 right who are mutilating healthy breast tissue by 15 16
00:56:44.560and some who are going in for, you know, genital removal or general surgery by 1920, right?
00:56:54.540So this is, as I said, and I think I said this in the piece, in other places, none of this is loving, none of it is kind.0.97
00:57:01.520Christians who think that they're being winsome by tiptoeing around these issues are being cowardly.0.92
00:57:10.520But I will say this. I was I was telling my wife this last week, writing this article actually convicted me in a very particular way.0.96
00:57:19.100um i was thinking about the christians particularly evangelical leaders who will not address these
00:57:31.060issues directly particularly when they're given platforms that would reach um let's say the left
00:57:38.700right liberals democrats so-called progressives because of their fear of man but then i thought
00:57:47.600Do I not do the same thing as it relates to share my faith with people because I don't want to be seen a particular way?
00:57:56.900I don't want to say something that may be offensive.
00:58:00.520And it convicted me, right, which I hope I turn that conviction into a greater sense of boldness, boldness and fearlessness for Christ.
00:58:12.940not for the sake of my platform not for the sake of my writing but really because you know we're
00:58:18.800talking about God's creation and we should care enough about people to to tell them the truth
00:58:23.800and if we saw someone about to drive off a cliff we would be more concerned about their well-being
00:58:30.160than than our reputation right um and I think you know I didn't I want to acknowledge that
00:58:37.580to some extent many of us struggle with those um that that tendency to fear man more than we fear
00:58:47.820god you're right you're absolutely right and i think part of it is you know because of these
00:58:51.560partnerships and the relationships then ensue because of them um you know if you partner with
00:58:56.220the left you're really going to have a problem but even if you partner with the right again can
00:59:00.280merely being conservative does not mean that you're a christian and so there are people within
00:59:04.140you know the right politically and culturally that we would align with on this and on that
00:59:08.900but we would not align with on other issues and particularly the issue of the lordship of Jesus
00:59:15.760Christ and so there is a temptation for over here on on the right side of things there is
00:59:21.700still that temptation to save face a temptation to you know to be lofty and you know and to have
00:59:27.460you know the praise and the glory that comes from men so you're absolutely right about that and
00:59:32.540And when it comes to conservatism, and this is one of the things you said in your article, but we have to realize that apart from Christ, it all leads to chaos.
01:00:16.760And the piper will be coming, and we're going to have to pay.
01:00:22.120Right now, we are setting up for ourselves and for our children and our grandchildren a world of hurt financially, sexually, culturally, politically, all these different things.
01:00:38.020We were just we just keep putting we just we are running up this insurmountable tab right now as a nation, thinking that we won't have to pay it, thinking that God will be mocked and that we could somehow sow something and never reap it.
01:00:52.760Right. We think we're going to convince God to forgive our student loan debt like people try to do to the Democrats, right?
01:00:59.820Yeah, because God is an empathetic God, right? Just like our empathetic president.
01:01:04.200but i mean there's a couple things you said i wanted to key in on there was one part of column
01:01:09.840where i i tried to sort of lay out the difference between sort of the left the right and the
01:01:17.700christian so i said the the left craves political power the right craves you know constitutional
01:01:27.780freedoms um and and or liberty i think i might say liberty and the christian should not always
01:01:37.000we don't always but we should crave biblical order and and that is one word that just keeps
01:01:43.700coming up over and over you know in my writing am i thinking about these issues is order
01:01:48.420right just so much of our society just is it's chaotic because order is nowhere to be found it's
01:01:57.600not found in the family. It's not found in the schoolhouse. Sometimes it's not found in the
01:02:01.740church house. And wherever order is absent, disorder will be present. And sometimes it
01:02:10.280appears that people can manage it in ways, you know, that don't seem functional. But if disorder
01:02:17.340is your norm, then it's only a matter of time before, you know, you reap that chaos. And the
01:02:23.960other thing i wanted to say real quick is um as i said i started writing years ago like over 10
01:02:30.280years ago and i had a friend at that time i was i wrote i think i was trying to submit a piece to
01:02:37.740the root so for viewers who may not be familiar the root is like an online site publication
01:02:45.260that caters primarily to an african-american audience right so i think it was created
01:02:51.080um a number of you probably over 15 years ago out of the washington post they had people
01:02:57.940you know henry lewis gates and you know some some intellectuals academics and serious journalists
01:03:04.900who got it started right and i was i would write things in a way that basically i was
01:03:15.320arguing both sides of an issue well on this hand well on that hand and some think and they think
01:03:21.280and she told me i don't hear your voice in this and that to this day that stuck with me
01:03:28.800and then as i got older and certainly as i matured in my faith i realized that the people who's
01:03:35.940writing and speaking and preaching I hold most dear are the men who are willing to speak the
01:03:47.380truth boldly and apologetically right they don't have to raise their voice they don't have to pound
01:03:53.960the table they don't you know have to use you know coarse language but they will call a thing
01:04:00.300a thing and that actually helped like like clarify things for me and it helps me in my writing
01:04:07.240because the worst thing that someone could say to me after reading a column that i've written
01:04:12.300is i'm not really sure how you feel about that issue or i'm i'm sort of confused on what you
01:04:18.560meant by x y and z right right because i try to write clearly using clear language with commonly
01:04:24.620accepted definitions to words that are recognizable to most people um and i try to to for the lack of
01:04:32.060better term hit with my hardest punch so the examples the metaphors the analogies to draw a
01:04:39.540clear picture of what it is that i'm trying to say and why it is that i'm trying to say it
01:04:44.180so when we talk about men like vody bakum or doug wilson or um you know men of of that stature
01:04:51.840even when i disagree with them on something i appreciate the fact that they're willing to
01:04:58.160state their views right without a pot without apology without caveat without um sort of a
01:05:05.560suffocating sense of nuance right without spending you know an hour sermon 15 minutes is the point
01:05:10.960that they're getting across and 45 minutes is building the escape hatch correct so they can
01:05:15.180correct get out of there if somebody you know starts to actually criticize and what you see
01:05:21.520on the left and and and the behavior of the left actually brings us into sharper focus
01:05:26.760is i find that it's extremely difficult to get people on the left to actually defend their
01:05:34.660positions with clear words right if you believe that abortion should be legal up until the point
01:06:57.260You know, like, why is it an incorrect question?
01:06:59.400These are the type of people that if you send your kid to college to major in, you know, queer studies or ethnic studies or women's studies
01:07:09.420or anything that ends with studies this is what they're going to be getting right people who0.59
01:07:16.780are advancing an ideology that they won't even defend and one of the things that's i feel has
01:07:25.440freed me up to be bolder in my writing and speaking is the fact that these people have
01:07:32.080no problem proselytizing in school in in um in culture in media um and they have no problem
01:07:43.640shaming people who don't hold to their dogmatic belief system right um i think the clearest
01:07:49.740example of this i didn't write in this piece but i've written in other pieces is you know dr
01:07:55.280ibram kendi whose belief system has infiltrated big evil yeah whenever you hear jamar tisby
01:08:01.700talking and saying talking to phil visher saying that you either have to be racist or anti-racist
01:08:08.140he he is um echoing ibram kidney i was gonna say he's engaging in syncretism right in a syncretic
01:08:18.340religion where he's taking sort of fistful of christian of christian doctrine and and a tiny
01:08:24.340bit of Kendi, and he's pushing that off as, you know, sort of an authentic gospel. But
01:08:31.540Kendi has no problem telling any audience, you are either racist or anti-racist. There's no
01:08:39.560in-between. You better get with it. But here comes the Christian, even on a Sunday, even outside our
01:08:45.320church, and we would be scared to make such a bold declaration. So my thing is this, if this is the1.00
01:08:52.840marketplace of ideas sometimes i i will paraphrase um frederick douglas who talked about the three
01:09:00.420boxes of liberty he talked about the ballot box the jury box and the cartridge box right i believe
01:09:05.660in all three of those it's a fourth one the soapbox so if the public square is going to be
01:09:10.800democratized and people like ibram kennedy feel comfortable saying you're either a racist or
01:09:15.780anti-racist then i think christians should feel more comfortable saying look either for christ
01:09:20.940or against him that's you are you are either going to abide by the order of the god who created this
01:09:27.000world or you you're going to live in chaos and it doesn't matter how much you try to suppress god's
01:09:33.380order whether it's sex and sexuality like i brought this up on the show with ridlock
01:09:39.000one of the most fascinating things that you'll see or that you'll never see is two women who
01:09:47.200present as masculine as people will call, you know, butch women, you'll never see two of them
01:09:52.120together ever. It's always one who presents as more masculine and she always goes after a woman1.00
01:09:58.780who presents more feminine. So even in their rejection of the creation order as it relates0.83
01:10:04.000to male and female, they are trying to act out in their behavior, right? And not even go into
01:10:09.980how they act this out all the way, but they're trying to act out in their behavior, what God
01:10:16.500models in his scripture in terms of, I asked my wife this way. I said, which one of them is the
01:10:22.460dude? And she'll say, well, don't say that. I said, no, but somebody is playing the role.
01:10:26.700So it doesn't matter how much people try to suppress God's word and his truth and his order,
01:10:32.500just like a beach ball. You push it down the water. It doesn't matter how,
01:10:36.680that thing is coming right back up. And I think we're starting to see that.
01:10:39.780and the increasing darkness in this world
01:10:43.360has made the little lights that we carry around all day long
01:10:50.780I always tell people it's the difference between the dominion mandate
01:10:53.720versus, well, ultimately just rebelling against God as created order.
01:10:59.300So the dominion mandate is that we're actually pushing back the curse on nature.
01:11:04.140So Adam was a federal head, not just for him and his wife
01:11:06.740and all the future children, not just humanity,
01:11:09.200But Adam was a federal head of the cosmos, of the whole created order, of the earth itself, which is why when Adam sinned, God doesn't just say you're cursed, your wife is cursed, but cursed is the ground.
01:11:19.900The earth is actually under this curse.
01:11:22.600And we see that in scripture, that creation itself is groaning with eager expectations for the sons of God to be revealed.
01:11:28.920Some of the radical two kingdom kind of guys would hold to that and say, you know, like Michael Horton would be an example.
01:11:34.420And he'd be right about a lot of things.
01:11:36.120I like him, but I think he's wrong on this.
01:11:38.200But Michael Horton would say, you know, that the creation is groaning with eager expectations for the sons of God to be revealed because in the revealing of the sons of God and in their redemption, the earth will soon dissolve like snow, right?
01:11:51.100Getting to like second Peter's, you know, epistle, but they would hold that in a literal sense that God is going to annihilate the creation, the cosmos, except for humanity.
01:12:01.820So the only physical thing that will enter into the new heavens and the new earth is our physical body.
01:12:06.240They have to hold to that because if you don't hold to the resurrection of the body, then you're a heretic.
01:12:10.500But apart from that, they would say everything is going to, literally God's going to annihilate the creation rather than God actually restoring and redeeming the earth, the new heavens coming to this earth.
01:12:20.020And so all that gets, you know, that lets you know where I'm at with postmill and all that kind of stuff.
01:12:23.280But my point is the dominion mandate is not just preaching the gospel, the great commission, but there's the cultural mandate.
01:12:31.980And in that, there is a pushing back, not just the sin in the hearts of men by preaching
01:12:37.100the gospel and by the grace of God, there being regeneration and conversion, but actually
01:12:41.640pushing back the curse of sin as it rests on creation.0.52
01:12:44.900So to fight against cancer, which a non-Christian can do by common grace, but to fight against0.85
01:12:51.260cancer is that cultural mandate, that dominion mandate, pushing back against the curse that0.91
01:12:56.980is on creation, the curse on nature.0.85
01:12:59.140Nature is under a curse, but fighting against the genders is not fighting against the curse on0.99
01:13:05.100nature, but fighting nature itself. And nature insofar as it's not the curse. And so we have0.65
01:13:10.640to distinguish between the world is under a curse because of sin. But there's the curse on the world
01:13:17.920and then there's God's world. There's the effects of sin on nature. And then there's just nature.
01:13:25.520You know, I said this in one of my other episodes,
01:13:27.320but as one great prophet from Jurassic Park,
01:13:29.400you know, once said, nature always finds a way.
01:13:31.920You fight nature and you'll find yourself losing that fight
01:13:54.980both reveal who God is. Now, you know, natural revelation reveals less of who God is. Romans 1
01:14:02.200says, you know, his eternal power, his divine nature, whereas, you know, we need special
01:14:05.520revelation to reveal to us the gospel. But natural revelation does reveal something about God. We
01:14:11.800have an ordered creation because we have a God of order and not a God of chaos. And so to fight
01:14:16.500against nature, similar to fighting against scripture, is to fight against the very word
01:14:22.420of God, which is to fight against God himself. And nobody is going to win that fight. And that's
01:14:28.760what our, you know, we've gone from, we've gone from using technology and all these different
01:14:33.060things to fight, you know, in a, in a Christian sense, whether, whether everybody was actually
01:14:38.080a Christian or not actually regenerate, there was still this Christian worldview, these Christian
01:14:41.500principles and fighting against the curse on nature. And now it's like, we've turned our,
01:14:46.600our our weaponry our our sights on nature itself and uh you know somebody i can't remember his
01:14:53.580name but um said you know in terms of narratives and storytelling that's like every horror movie
01:14:58.500every especially sci-fi horror movie that's ever been written is you know there's some kind of
01:15:03.260discovery some kind of innovation um technological development um but then all of a sudden it gets
01:15:11.380used you know for bad purposes to try to overcome something you know where man tries to play the
01:15:17.200role of god and try to do something that we're never meant to do and and everything you know
01:15:22.460create some kind you create dinosaurs and oh then you know you get eaten you create this you know
01:15:27.280so but it's like i feel like we should have learned this this is like every horror movie
01:15:31.820there's ever been and that's what we're doing right now we're playing god we're doing it with
01:15:36.120life we're doing it with gender we're doing it and that's not the curse on nature that's fighting
01:15:40.800nature itself and you don't win that fight exactly and i think as you said on all these
01:15:46.700different issues we're we're doing that and you know we the way um you know when my wife and i
01:15:53.820we moved out of the city and moved slightly outside of dc we were getting a home inspection
01:15:59.760on our new home and you know it has a deck out back so we'd never had a deck so this was like
01:16:07.440a big thing to us and it looked great and sturdy and you know spacious and the inspector said
01:16:14.860you know looks good the problem is it's not attached to the house so you may be on it for
01:16:24.400a little while but eventually it may collapse and that that was like a perfect metaphor for
01:16:32.120So when I talk about, you know, Christ or chaos, it's like, okay, it looks good, right? Classical liberalism may get you, you know, freedom of speech and individual rights and so on and so forth. Sure. Now, when you have that sort of philosophical framework in a country that even as you said, if everyone is not Christian, we're a God honoring culture.
01:16:59.620right is sort of a part of norm imperfect as it as it may be right because people can hear this
01:17:06.660and say well do you do you want to go back to living in the 1930s and i'm i'm not saying that
01:17:11.880but what i'm saying is you you had um you know a culture that you know honored god in in many
01:17:20.280respects you you can have individual liberty in in in terms of having a society a functioning
01:17:30.600society right yeah because you know that this there's certain things that teenagers won't do
01:17:35.880they won't beat up old ladies right and steal their cars right you have children who will show
01:17:44.280a certain level of respect for their elders and their parents and teachers but when you have a
01:17:49.060society in which no one likes to hear the word no, there are no restraints on behavior, whether
01:17:58.660that's what people say or do or sexual behavior. What you find is that that sort of nucleus just
01:18:10.600tends to deteriorate very, very quickly. So you have all these brilliant philosophers who
01:18:17.020everybody reads i didn't i studied engineering in school right so i'm just that's that wasn't my
01:18:23.360world but i understand what it's like when you have a beautiful house with a messed up foundation
01:18:30.880right and just like that inspector told us like it looks good but eventually it's going to collapse
01:18:35.340i think what you're seeing is the the collapse of much of the west in terms of it's you know the
01:18:44.680the political order that we took for granted um i don't think it's any coincidence that you don't
01:18:51.600see the rise of transgenderism in saudi arabia or you know parts of africa right because even
01:19:00.720though obviously there's those some particular saudi arabia they have a different faith they
01:19:04.960practice islam but there's still some certain realities that they just abide by and they say
01:19:10.480No, we would never do that. A man can't be a woman and a woman can't be a man. That's not going down here. But in cultures where liberty and freedom are sacrosanct, if there are no boundaries, if you remove all guardrails, if there's no center that holds everything, then people are going to say, whatever it is that I feel like doing, no one can tell me no.0.98
01:19:33.740well why can't i what why can't why can't me why why can't it be two men and a woman in a marriage
01:19:42.740why not you can be two men or two women why can't you have people right and all of these things are
01:19:50.060things that we've opened that portal and we have no idea what's coming through well we've ushered0.97
01:19:56.380no you're right we've ushered in a new enemy because you compared it to islam you know and0.67
01:20:00.020said like, well, in Islam, they would never embrace transgenderism, right? In Islam, they0.99
01:20:05.200wouldn't do this, they wouldn't do that. There are certain biblical norms, even though they do not0.99
01:20:09.760honor Christ. And a Muslim person by prescribing to the teachings of Islam will be in hell.1.00
01:20:16.740They will ultimately, that Islam will take someone to hell. And yet there are still these1.00
01:20:22.000norms that we would share, things that ultimately come from God's created order,
01:20:26.580that come from god's principles um and i think i think what we're experiencing now i think the
01:20:31.020reason why it's different is because this is a new enemy like so you know i've recently been
01:20:35.180trying to study a little bit of world history you know because history is always so um isolated and
01:20:40.460and narrow right you're studying history of a particular nation and you know in a 40 to 50
01:20:45.440year you know a generation one time short time span uh but looking at like big picture you know
01:20:51.700um and and looking you know so there's a small little book it's really just a collection of a
01:20:56.560And it talks about how all the different empires on average lasted about 250 years, whether it be the Roman Empire, which was one of the longest. So it was closer to 400 years. But if you split it up, because technically there was a shift in Rome, so you could count it as two empires.
01:21:13.120but Ottoman Empire, Babylonian Empire, all these different empires, British Empire, which seems to be, you know, the sun is dawning, you know, or setting on the British Empire, you know, this seems like, and the American Empire, here we are right at that 250 year mark.
01:21:31.780Now that said, I think, um, I do think that America is different because I think America
01:36:02.400And these are all very, very harmful and destructive ideologies to the church.
01:36:07.640And one of the biggest things that Marx got wrong in his understanding of economics is he thought that wealth was a zero-sum game because he denied the living God.
01:36:16.280He didn't believe that it was possible that God actually created a world in such a way that the pie can grow, that we can actually multiply resources.
01:36:26.520And so when you think of it in those terms, I always say it like this.
01:37:57.600And one farmer can, with technology and all these kinds of things, can feed thousands of people with his crops, which is exactly the opposite of what the world.
01:38:07.180So in terms of abortion, it's like 60 million children, give or take, dead in our nation since Roe.
01:38:14.500And the last, I can't remember exactly what it is at this point, about 50 years.
01:38:20.880But since that point, you got about 60 million murdered in their mother's womb.
01:38:25.840And that doesn't even begin to, it's over 100 million easy when you think of early abortion, when you think of the abortion pill, you know, taking a pill and all those kind of, if we're consistent, life begins at conception.
01:38:37.400And the future generations that never.
01:39:18.720And the reason why is because we have bad theology.
01:39:20.680we don't know god and if apart from knowing christ uh we can't know man and and we we think
01:39:26.180we think wrong things about mankind and so then we do wrong things to our fellow man um things that
01:39:32.980you know it's just a little common sense like that's that is mutilation it's like no right
01:39:37.920it's liberation you know it's like but but but you can't see it because you don't know you don't
01:39:42.880understand man and you don't understand man because you won't listen to god god told you who
01:39:47.320man is and you just won't listen and you ignore yeah so i'll give you the final word because i
01:39:51.880know i know we've been going long but go ahead and and you land the plane so i mean i i think
01:39:57.320you said that beautifully um i've started to say that you know we mentioned that people say you
01:40:04.600know is it politics is downstream from culture right i would say i've been saying that sociology
01:40:11.600is downstream from theology, but I think anthropology is maybe a step, you know, in between
01:40:17.700those two, and that people who do not understand God and the world that he created are inevitably
01:40:27.760not going to understand man, and when you talked about how we're not loving our neighbor,
01:40:32.760I used some imagery in that column. I talked about, you know, people with a hunk of flesh
01:40:39.580missing out of their leg that that actually is a cover i think it was new york magazine
01:40:43.240of a of a woman that's right thinks that she's a man and the doctors took a hunk of flesh out0.97
01:40:51.320of her leg and just on the cover to to fashion a penis um and this is celebrated in our country0.97
01:41:01.260as some sign of progress now you can tell that this person is a woman because one of the things0.98
01:41:07.300that i've learned is the hips never lie you're right you're right so i don't i don't care what
01:41:13.500you take from it's like they just they just don't lie they they they speak of god's glory in terms of
01:41:19.540his creative power but um i'm i am not for uh aiding and abetting and encouraging people0.74
01:41:29.740to mutilate their bodies to poison their minds to kill their children to destroy their families
01:41:38.260in and in the name of winsomeness love or affirmation that's right um if saying those0.98
01:41:46.400things makes me you know disreputable if it means that i don't get invited to certain parties or
01:41:54.020certain, you know, the cool kids, whether secular or within the church, don't want to hang out with
01:42:00.820me. I'm fine with that. I will go on trying to grow where I'm planted and to love my wife and
01:42:07.660my children and my church family the best that I can to be a service and asset in my community
01:42:13.720and to proclaim God's truth as boldly as I can for as long as I can. So that's really where I
01:42:20.300right now and and you know i'm thankful for brothers like you who are out in the front lines
01:42:26.960and you know shepherding your flock and and and teaching and sort of training people up and to
01:42:34.540see what is going on in this world not not to live in despair because i think that that can be
01:42:40.580um tempting at times oh what was me the world is so terrible everything is so messed up
01:42:45.740but to train them to be happy warriors. Right. Right. That's right.
01:42:49.920That's, that's the way I think about it right now. And that's,
01:42:52.240that is what I'm trying to do with my own family and to think
01:42:57.220generationally. Right. I'm, I'm all for history and,
01:43:02.160and I respect the past and my ancestors,
01:43:04.540but any culture that spends more time focusing on the society that its
01:43:14.240ancestors endured rather than the one its descendants will inherit is going to be in
01:43:19.660trouble that's a good way um so you know i'm thinking generally generationally i think i
01:43:25.020think i heard votie talk about that he's raising when he's talking about his kids he was i'm raising
01:43:29.700my grandchildren's parents and i sort of borrowed that um and and i i want to be a patriarch right
01:43:37.640I want when I get to 75, 80, Lord willing, my children and their children come to me because the way I've lived my life as a believer in this world indicates to them that I'm a source of wisdom.
01:43:53.460that that's the that's the future that i would want for myself and by god's grace i'll get there
01:43:59.720but this this me first i'll destroy my family because it's not fulfilling me both men and
01:44:08.120increasingly women um that that type of house won't stand because it's it's divided in a way
01:44:16.160that just is not sustainable for the future.1.00
01:44:20.100So I'm thinking, I'm looking downrange all the way.
01:44:25.380Fourth and fifth generation squires is.
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