00:02:59.500All right. So this is what we want to talk about. If you were curious, what's the topic going to be?
00:03:03.900The clue to kind of give you a little bit of a hint would be at Jacob's shirt.
00:03:08.360In fact, I don't know if I've ever seen Jacob wearing a shirt that's not an abolitionist shirt.0.62
00:03:13.560it's always assured that abortion is murder or something like that. One of them I love,0.87
00:03:18.820it says ignore Roe, which has become really easy now, praise God. So anyways, Jacob's always0.71
00:03:24.660rocking the abolitionist gear. Why don't you guys just kick us off? I've got some comments that I
00:03:29.460can make, but Jacob or Dusty, why don't you guys take it away? What is the abolitionist position
00:03:34.940when it comes to the issue of abortion? Well, I guess I'll kick it off. There is a distinction
00:03:42.300between what it means to be pro-life and what it means to be an abolitionist.
00:03:47.600Abortion abolitionists recognize children from the moment of conception or fertilization,
00:03:56.800conception, biblically speaking, fertilization, scientifically speaking, as fully human,
00:04:02.920creating the image of God, owned by God, where he ensouls and enfleshes that new person
00:04:09.420from the moment of conception or fertilization and deserving then of the same protection that
00:04:15.580you or I deserve as born people. And so since we see that life as truly human, then we say
00:04:24.120what God says, you must treat them as such. And so to take any life before they're born or after
00:04:31.380is a homicide. So before they're born, it would be prenatal homicide.
00:04:36.640Now, the pro-life position would be in contrast to that.
00:04:42.740And the pro-lifers recognize that the most, I think the most well-meaning ones recognize that that is a life from conception or fertilization.
00:04:55.540but they don't begin to demand their legal protection until sometime after that moment.
00:05:05.400If we want to be consistent, they don't just not demand their legal protection. They provide the
00:05:13.860right or protect the right for mothers to murder their own pre-born children with malice of0.63
00:05:21.240forethought. So they protect a class of murderers through all pro-life laws. I could go into it0.72
00:05:30.740more, but that's kind of the short order. Yeah, no, that's really helpful. Jacob,
00:05:34.440what do you want to add? Yeah, that's good. That's good as far as like definitionally. I think
00:05:38.960the biggest thing that separates, in my opinion, the biggest thing that separates an abolitionist
00:05:44.200from a pro-lifer is taking the biblical text of what defines sin in regards to partiality
00:05:50.380and applying it completely in all in our practice too so for example many conservatives would look
00:05:57.400at um would look at like uh affirmative action we'd say oh that's partiality you know they're
00:06:04.780they're showing uh favor just to black people rather than asians they're making it harder for
00:06:10.400them to get there but then they would support a heartbeat bill which is showing partiality to
00:06:14.980some humans after the heartbeat bill and they wouldn't just do it they wouldn't just show
00:06:18.680support for it they celebrate it with excitement and it's the same kind of partiality except one
00:06:24.500doesn't let you get into colleges and one allows you to get murdered right yeah and full disclosure
00:06:31.400you know in my ignorance and foolishness and sin and immaturity um i didn't recognize these things
00:06:37.660until really the past i would say the past couple years um i didn't really i didn't really know
00:06:43.320there was a you know when i was pastoring in california before i i moved uh to texas i was
00:06:47.560born and raised here and so we ultimately moved back at the end of 2020 but when i was pastoring
00:06:51.220in california we had some guys who were faithful who go outside of uh the the murder mills uh in
00:06:57.020you know in the city where i pastored and they would you know preach the gospel and i went with
00:07:01.200them a couple times and always supported that never said it was um bad to do always said it
00:07:06.460was good and righteous to do and so you know we we were not winsome we were faithful and uh but i
00:07:12.020but i never really you know i never thought about the inner workings like i'm the kind of guy you
00:07:16.000know, with a heartbeat bill or something like that, I would have thought like, hey, you know,
00:07:19.400that's step in the right direction. That's better than nothing. You know, praise God, at least some
00:07:23.720babies are going to live now, you know, and those kinds of things. And so I want to, you know, as
00:07:29.040we're doing this, I think that there are some people who are nefarious, who wave the Christian0.59
00:07:34.840flag and they know exactly what they're doing. And they're actually, you know, they're just
00:07:42.080they're just big pro-life people they're making a buck off of this pro the pro-life industry is
00:07:48.280it's an industry it's it's a you know it's a business like anything else and they know exactly
00:07:52.540what they're doing they don't care about the babies and they're not actually christian so i
00:07:56.300think there's plenty of those guys but then i think there are also some other guys uh like
00:08:00.060like past joel webin you know that uh that were just ignorant uh and so what what are um can you
00:08:08.700explain like, so, okay, when Texas, you know, drop their heartbeat bill, why, why, like, I understand
00:08:16.020it's like, they're saying, Hey, you know what, here's a whole class of people, everybody before
00:08:19.040six weeks or eight weeks that it's, you know, it's open season. It's like purge. If you ever,
00:08:23.100you know, not recommending the movie, but you know, like here's, here's one day out of the
00:08:26.640year that you can go and murder, you know, without, without any, you know, without any
00:08:30.740recourse or, or any penalties. And, and we're saying, Hey, anybody who's younger than six
00:08:35.600weeks or eight weeks from fertilization, you're free to kill without any penalty. I totally
00:08:41.220understand how that is unjust and unbiblical, but what would you say to the Christian who's,0.76
00:08:46.080you know, this is new to them, the whole abolitionist position, and they're just saying,
00:08:50.520well, I'm just glad that some babies are being saved. I'm not saying this is just, I'm not saying
00:08:53.940it's biblical, and certainly we've got to go for more. What would you say to, you know,
00:08:57.680the incrementalist? What would you say to somebody like Doug Wilson, who I know we,
00:09:00.760all three of us appreciate him, respect him, are grateful for him, but would differ on this
00:09:05.900particular topic, maybe this and baptism. And that is probably about it, at least for me.
00:09:10.500Everything else, I'm with Doug Wilson. So what would you say to somebody like that?
00:09:17.300You know, Doug has said a couple of times, I've heard him in different venues say,
00:09:23.480we should reject a bill that says you can, if you, you can't do these things, but then if you do0.96
00:09:31.120these things, then you can kill the child. And that's what every incrementalist bill does. So
00:09:39.320he says that he's a smash mouth incrementalist, but he affirms the types of bills that he says
00:09:46.220we should fundamentally deny on biblical grounds because they show partiality. Here's the kind of
00:09:54.800the term that people use is incrementalism. You know, the incrementalist says, well, as long as
00:10:01.560it'll save one baby, then that's good. And we get that response fairly often. And it seems like
00:10:12.680a well-meaning response. And it could be, truly could be from someone who thinks this is the
00:10:19.380best we can do, so we should try to accomplish it. But there's a fundamental flaw in incrementalism.
00:10:28.160And so let me just quickly define it. It is changed by degree, but really it's any support
00:10:35.220or action using unequal weights and measures
00:10:39.260and showing partiality in our legislative efforts.
00:10:43.960It is seeking to establish a better environment
00:11:05.220This is you can't keep one one command by violating the others.
00:11:10.680If you break the law, you've broken them all.
00:11:13.220So really what we're seeking to establish is justice or righteous judgment as God demands it.
00:11:21.620So instead of treating abortion as though it's health care to be regulated, God demands we treat abortion as murder to be criminalized or abolished.
00:11:32.840And I'll say this, from a biblical standpoint, any willing embrace of an approach to pre-born life that compromises God's holy standard of justice or his own character is an attempt then to usurp God's sovereignty as the creator.
00:11:52.940it promotes God-hating partiality. And ultimately, that approach to pre-born life that compromises
00:12:02.340God's standard of justice is an assault on God's image and his glory. So we would never support
00:12:11.480a partiality in judgment. We must stand exactly where God stands. And I understand that that kind
00:12:20.720of creates some difficult scenarios for folks. But think of it like this. Does God say to the
00:12:31.020adulterer, you know what, if you will improve or change your adultery by degree, then everything's
00:12:41.400going to be okay. We're going to be fine. I'll work with you if you just change by decree. Does
00:12:45.480he changed his holy standard? He doesn't change his holy standard. He says, you shall not commit
00:12:51.440adultery. And Jesus says, you can't even lust in your heart. And so while we are sanctified
00:12:58.960in progress, we progress in our sanctification, while culture often changes by degree and it
00:13:06.800progresses by degree, God's holy standard never is to be changed or, or slided or shifted because
00:13:14.400really you're you're saying that god's character is worth changing and so it's it's an assault on
00:13:20.660god it's image bearers and it must not be promoted by christians this this uh um pragmatism
00:13:30.160you know pragmatic efforts that that was helpful dusty uh what i would say with your adultery
00:13:36.080analogy just to this is my opinion correct me if you disagree and i may push back or i might agree
00:13:42.500with you we'll see but what i would say is that um the christian all right so let's say it's a0.97
00:13:47.500young man he's struggling with promiscuity promiscuity masturbation pornography the whole0.98
00:13:53.100nine yards he's a single young man but he's a christian he professes christ and let's say he0.99
00:13:57.800really is regenerate he really is born again and he he wants to live a life that is holy and he
00:14:02.200knows that god has called him um to be married and to practice absolute abstinence and chastity
00:14:08.460before marriage. Let's say that he is being sanctified by degrees, incrementally. But the
00:14:18.380difference is that every time he sins and he repents his sin unto the Lord, it's a whole
00:14:24.280repentance in the sense of, he's not saying to the Lord, you know what, I'm sorry that I looked
00:14:30.040at pornography for 10 minutes. Next time I promise to look at it only for nine, thinking that the
00:14:34.900Lord would be pleased with this wager. Instead, he's saying, you detest and hate this entirely,
00:14:42.220and by your grace, I'm going to do my very best as empowered by the Holy Spirit to not do it ever
00:14:48.800again, to not even think of a woman lustfully, to not look upon it, to make a covenant with my eyes,
00:14:54.960you know, this and that, to, you know, like Owen would say, to make even no provisions for the
00:15:00.260flesh, to get more accountability, to do this, to do that, the whole nine yards, and then he fails.
00:15:04.900So that genuinely is his plea. That's his heart. That's his prayer. That's his intent is wholesale
00:15:11.560repentance, complete sanctification. Three days go by and he fails. And the next time he fails,
00:15:18.860it is a lesser degree than the previous failure. What I would say is that that is incremental
00:15:24.780improvement, but the difference is in terms of the design and plan and intent was complete
00:15:33.700holiness to be holy as god is holy and and and righteous as he is righteous that's what each of
00:15:39.160us like like we're all none of us we we all three of us would reject um you know the doctrine of of
00:15:45.300arriving at we're not wesleyan we don't believe in secondness and you know sinless perfectionism
00:15:49.780in this life um so so we know that none of us are going to be completely sanctified in this life
00:15:54.720we're all in varying degrees in varying areas going to wrestle with sin um but the difference
00:15:59.660is um the intent in my mind that the difference is uh the will it's the will is god i never want
00:16:06.420to sin again i never want to sin again and uh and does does that make sense with you you know
00:16:12.340whereas whereas the abort the incrementalist uh pro-life person with abortion is actually the
00:16:18.300intent and plan is actually um let's kill let's kill 500 babies and not 600 babies and that that0.96
00:16:25.220is the plan. I think, uh, you know, when we're talking about, um, an incrementalist kind of0.95
00:16:31.960pro-life person, you know, that may be what they're convinced is happening. Um, and there may
00:16:40.200be some, some, there may be some, some honest ignorance there. Uh, the reality is, is when
00:16:45.800you're at the state house and you're talking to legislators, you know, a legislator brings a bill
00:16:50.260and uh you know we have abolition bills and the bills are there and they're they very much can
00:16:55.920choose right now to abolish abortion to give equal protection but but instead they choose to ignore
00:17:03.180it and choose the partiality and there's this conception that like somebody can be both right
00:17:09.860like the like doug wilson and they call himself smash mouth incrementalism we want we want this
00:17:15.420we want to have both like let's do abolition and let's have the incrementalism well the reality
00:17:19.700is is that if you walk into every state house in the entire country there's not even maybe two or
00:17:24.800three republican legislators that would ever fit that bill the reality is is that it's the
00:17:29.980incrementalists who use the arguments of that crowd to justify their incrementalism with the
00:17:35.940with accepting and not even doing abolition so what you end up running into is there's really
00:17:42.860only two types of people there's the people who understand sin and justice and there's the people
00:17:46.720who want to compromise right i do think jacob you've said this before but i i do think that
00:17:52.220there is something to be said for i've noticed whether it be jeff durbin whether it be um you
00:17:57.480know uh you know uh uh pierce bradley or whether you know you guys are you know the the guys in
00:18:04.200the abolitionist camp what i've noticed is uh and then the guys who would be you know more
00:18:07.820incrementalist but but we know our we know they're christian guys like we're not sitting here saying
00:18:12.280that you know that the moscow crews we i i love right the moscow absolutely you know and so like
00:18:17.340so i'm not talking about bart barber or something you know whatever i'm talking about like christians
00:18:21.940you know solid christian men who love the lord and who who we would just we'd say but you're wrong
00:18:26.660and you're seriously wrong on this issue but you are solid christian so if we're if we're saying
00:18:31.140you know moscow crew versus uh jeff durbin crew you know and jacob miller and dusty deavers i've
00:18:36.820notice one key difference. Hardly anybody's doing more in one side. If you think about it in one
00:18:44.440sense for restoring a joy of biblical womanhood, right? And loving children, being a keeper at
00:18:54.080home, loving your husband, wanting to have children, like Moscow's killing it on that end.0.98
00:19:00.340They're doing great. But I don't know hardly anybody except for abolitionists. And I keep0.52
00:19:06.160thinking of Durbin, you know, and Apologia guys that I've been building some relationship with
00:19:11.280over the last couple of years, but those guys are on the sidewalk in front of the abortion mill,
00:19:16.920right? And so like when it, you know, so when people start using victim kind of narratives,
00:19:20.900or was she, you know, the mom doesn't know what she's doing, or she's just in a hard place.
00:19:24.660The abolitionists disagree with that position because they're the ones seeing the blue-haired0.88
00:19:28.160feminist who's smiling at, you know, as she's taking, popping a pill, you know, on the courthouse1.00
00:19:34.060steps to kill. They love killing children. They're not victims. They love murder. And I've1.00
00:19:41.000noticed it's the guys who are presenting bills, like what you said, Jacob. So that's in front of
00:19:45.340the mill. But then also in the courthouse, it's the guys who are presenting those bills and in
00:19:51.680court and having those conversations and watching the pro-life industry and the way they shoot down
00:19:57.320the bill, watching the ERLC send letters to it. But those are the guys I've noticed. It's the
00:20:03.760abolitionists who are in the fray, um, who are, who are like, yeah, this is not innocent. These
00:20:10.180people are not ignorant. They know exactly what they're doing and it's, and it's wicked. And I've0.73
00:20:13.740noticed that most of the people who are sympathetic with the incrementalist position, including my
00:20:18.300past self, um, it's, it's because we didn't spend enough time on outside of an abortion mill,
00:20:25.520seeing the women going in and seeing the response when we, when we preach to them,
00:20:29.140the gospel and presenting bills and those kind of, you're not seeing the malice, the nefarious,
00:20:34.880sinister. We're talking about wicked people. Would you guys agree with that?
00:20:40.400For the most part, yeah, I would agree that there are a lot of wicked people who go with malice
00:20:47.980of forethought and kill their children, whether they go to the abortion mill and pay a hitman,
00:20:55.120an assassin, whether it's an accomplice who's taking them to the abortion mill, or whether
00:21:01.720they're buying abortion pills online, planning, making that phone call, looking up who they
00:21:08.280need to call, calling, talking to a doctor in Europe, and then that doctor in Europe
00:21:14.080going ahead and calling in a prescription to a pharmacy in India, and then that woman
00:21:19.280waiting for several days to go out to her mailbox and pick up those pills and then carry those pills0.70
00:21:26.480into her house through her the threshold of her door and go into her bedroom or her bathroom or
00:21:32.500wherever she goes and she takes those pills with malice aforethought knowing exactly what she's
00:21:37.880doing and then waiting and the first pill goes the mifeprex and then she waits a day or two0.51
00:21:45.460maybe three, and takes the second round of pills, misoprostol, and she kills her baby
00:21:54.980with malice aforethought. There are those, the majority of women who are killing their children1.00
00:22:00.840are like that. Now, there are some who truly are victims in the sense, in the legal sense,
00:22:06.940that they are coerced. They are under duress, life, and limb. There are some of those,
00:22:13.040But the best protection for those kinds of women is a law that would protect the life of their child that would make abortion a homicide, a prenatal homicide, because if the pimp or the boyfriend forced her and she was under serious duress, then they would actually be treated as murderers.1.00
00:22:39.080And she would be protected from that, what she did.0.83
00:22:44.480And it would also help her conscience.
00:22:46.540We talked to, I'm sure Jacob's the same.0.89
00:22:48.880There is a young lady in my church.1.00
00:22:53.200There are actually two ladies in my church who have had abortions.0.82
00:22:57.640And they've both said, if the law would have told me that this is murder,
00:23:02.480if it would have taught me the pedagogical nature of the law,
00:23:06.280If it would have taught me that this was murder, I would not have done it.
00:23:09.860But it's the pro-life laws in each of these states that's telling people when, where, how they can kill their own children with malice aforethought, with legal immunity.
00:23:28.360I mean, that's and pro-lifers that defend them get get insulted like they get they call it they get insulted when we call it that like their regulation bills.
00:23:38.360They regulate like like Dusty was saying, when, where, how to get an abortion, what tools you can use.
00:23:45.440But that's when a doctor has to do it or when a woman has to do it and not get charged.1.00
00:23:50.520How do they find out how to do it? Well, they have to go to the law.0.98
00:24:04.360And conservatives know that if you treat something like a product and you're regulating a service and a product, all that's going to happen is the market's going to rotate and move.
00:24:17.100And so even this last year session when Texas had the heartbeat bill and then we had the trigger bill and we had all these bills.
00:24:26.360It was the biggest punch that the regulation bills have ever taken in the history of Texas.
00:24:31.960Well, turns out it didn't even stop more than six percent of the fifty five thousand babies that are slaughtered in Texas alone every year.
00:24:40.560Not even six percent. I mean, a large percentage of those are going out of state.
00:24:45.740And, you know, Texas only has jurisdiction over their state, but there's at least 19,000 that are still taking the abortion pill with malice and forethought on Texas soil.
00:24:57.320Yeah. Can I say something towards those bills?
00:25:01.160Joel, you brought up, I think, a good point to talk through earlier about sanctification happening in progress or by degree.
00:25:10.220But the standard never changes. A guy who says, you know, I stopped committing adultery on my wife, but now I'm having trouble with my porn addiction.
00:25:22.960He whenever he sins by looking at pornography, I don't think he ever says, well, God says it's OK for me to let myself off the hook.
00:25:33.800He says that God's standard never changed because God didn't change.
00:25:40.100And that repentance actually is that repentance unto life is that saving grace that he looks at the nature of his sin in light of the mercies of God.
00:25:52.780And he turns from that sin unto God because the standard didn't change.
00:25:59.700If the standard would have changed, it would have been a partial turning.
00:26:02.820And God wouldn't accept that. So repentance is what you're you're looking for. And these laws then to then incrementalism in law would be to say, well, God's holy standard is changing and he will accept a partiality in our repentance.
00:26:22.060Or he will accept us changing culture by degree, not because we're accepting that culture will change by degree, but because we are going to promote culture changing by degree.
00:26:38.320There's a difference in saying we want to we're going to promote change by degree versus recognizing by nature we do change by degree because we're so sinful.
00:26:49.920If we were more self-controlled and more disciplined, we wouldn't change by degree.
00:26:57.300We would repent and not do it again, but that's the nature of it.
00:37:37.520Um, we just don't believe that the, we need to celebrate the iniquitous decree that does it. We, we will celebrate, you know, like another beautiful baby born that's made in the image of God. We will, we will celebrate that every single time.
00:37:52.900Um, but what happens is people equate the iniquitous law to, to, to be equal with the
00:38:02.160babies that are actually becoming like, look, they're, they're doing evil.
00:38:14.500but they are saying they are celebrating a step.
00:38:18.860And so next week, it's going to be six times.
00:38:21.560i commit adultery and next week it's going to be five times and uh i heard i heard uh an
00:38:27.460abolitionist say this once i think it was russell hunter say that you know the thing about um the
00:38:33.500thing about incrementalism is you can you can you can do as many increments as you want i mean you
00:38:39.620can find you can do an increment a million million times because there will always be an increment
00:38:45.100what you said to me jacob that was really challenging and you said it humbly like with
00:38:49.580me as your pastor and you and the member of the church, but you challenged me, you know,
00:38:54.000because I was like, well, I'm glad that we're getting closer. And the way you said it is this,
00:38:57.760because it's not the best analogy, you know, the illustration we're saying adultery seven times,
00:39:01.900six times, five times, because that assumes that, you know, in seven weeks we're done,
00:39:06.200you know, which would be great. That's not happening with the pro-life establishment.
00:39:09.840What you said, Jacob, you said is the incrementalist and the pro-life establishment,
00:39:14.320um what they're committed to doing in actuality is is not seven six five four and getting to zero
00:39:20.300it's splitting the penny a million ways it's indefinitely eternally forever splitting splitting
00:39:27.400splitting splitting but there will always be room for murder their plan is not ever to really truly
00:39:34.040entirely get rid of murder it is it is to corner murder but to always leave quarter right like so
00:39:40.720no quarter November. It's to always leave quarter for murder. Always.
00:39:46.520And I think that the other really important factor here is that when we think about bills
00:39:51.140that are being written, they're not just ideas that exist in the air. There's a person behind
00:40:02.200that, and that person behind that bill takes on a particular role. So Joel takes on the role of
00:40:10.260pastor in some situations, and Joel also takes on the role of father in some situations, and there's
00:40:15.900some people who take on the role of governing authority in some situations, and the governing
00:40:20.920authorities have certain things in Scripture that speak to their realm of authority, and when the
00:40:26.540Scripture speaks to them, they're in sin when they don't do it, or, you know, when it's a sin of
00:40:32.540omission, or when they do do it when it's a sin of commission, obviously, and so in this case,
00:40:37.620It would be that they're choosing to abandon the justice that they're called to live by.
00:40:43.900Romans 13 gives them a role and a duty to bear the sword against evildoers.
00:40:51.060And instead, they're justifying the wicked and condemning the righteous in a heartbeat bill.
00:40:55.940They're justifying the woman who, for any reason whatsoever, can go do it, because that's what the heartbeat bill said that you heard Pastor Devers read.0.63
00:41:06.840and they're condemning the righteous that are before a heartbeat bill.0.94
00:41:10.720And Proverbs says that those are both alike in abomination.
00:41:15.180So he has a role and a duty to carry out that role as our governing authority.
00:41:22.740So the other thing that happens when we celebrate these types of bills
00:41:26.700is that we celebrate him condemning the righteous and justifying the wicked.1.00
00:41:31.700And we want to scream and yell about LGBT abominations1.00
00:41:35.180and about all these other abominations.1.00
00:43:21.020you know, that's what it comes down to. Abortion, I think is the fruit of worshiping women. I think1.00
00:43:26.360it's goddess worship. Um, I, you know, and I think as long as we worship, not saying that men aren't
00:43:31.000involved, I know we're involved, that men, men are, we're called to lead and we have abdicated
00:43:35.920that authority. Men are, are absolutely morally culpable before God. Um, but I do think that
00:43:42.720there is absolutely a direct, that's a real straight line that you can draw between feminism1.00
00:43:47.840and killing babies? Yeah. The pro-life establishment recognizes that abortion itself1.00
00:43:55.240is an act that can be performed by doctors or the pill industry, but it is not an act performed by
00:44:00.980a mother. And that's a major distinction. The mother is a victim, even though she's killing
00:44:08.500her child, she could be morally culpable, but she should never be legally culpable.
00:44:12.460And that's why they will never abolish abortion, even though they say, like the ERLC says, that they want to create a culture of life that makes abortion illegal, unnecessary and unthinkable.
00:44:25.080They will leave out that illegality for the mother.
00:44:29.340It'll be illegal for the doctors and for the pill industry, but not the mother.
00:44:32.500you're right yeah the irony of all that is that um how do you make it unthinkable and all these0.71
00:44:39.760other things without the gospel and how do you have the gospel for a woman if she's not guilty0.76
00:44:45.260if she's not a sinner how can there be grace and forgiveness and salvation you're right
00:44:48.980so there's no culture change without the gospel proclamation there's no gospel proclamation that0.91
00:44:55.320applies without a woman being guilty of murder for this for this uh situation i like what you
00:45:02.260said earlier, amen, Jacob. Great point. And I like what you said earlier, Dusty, kind of
00:45:06.320throwing back like 15 minutes, 20 minutes now, but where you just talked about the law as a tutor,
00:45:12.080that you had two individuals at your church, that part of the reason why their conscience was
00:45:17.380assuaged in regards to, in the past, getting abortion. We're not saying there's forgiveness
00:45:23.720for murderers. There's forgiveness for sodomites. There's forgiveness for all kinds of kidnappers
00:45:29.720and slavers, there's forgiveness all around. But the condition is repentance. The condition is
00:45:35.920faith and repentance. You know, I like R.C. Spole, you know, he said, people always say God's love
00:45:40.080is unconditional. Unconditional love of God, unconditional love of God. He said, well, if it's
00:45:43.860so unconditional, why does God set the condition to repent? And we believe as good Calvinists that
00:45:49.940God, you know, there is a condition of faith and repentance and God meets those conditions. That's
00:45:54.460what makes the new covenant so amazing that in his sovereignty, God actually grants faith and
00:45:59.980repentance as gifts, but they must be present. They must be there. And so all that being said,
00:46:05.080the law is that, well, that's another gift, but the law is a tutor. And we have the law of God
00:46:09.580written on our hearts, not just as Christians, but all people, right? That's Romans one, Romans two,
00:46:14.500the Gentiles, pagan nations that never received a single ounce of special revelation, not an ounce0.99
00:46:20.120of scripture or preacher and evangelist, their own conscience testifies against them. And0.96
00:46:25.880essentially Paul's saying, if you can't even meet your own standard, what makes you think that
00:46:30.480you're going to meet God? So you stand condemned. Natural revelation is sufficient, not to say,
00:46:36.120but to condemn all mankind, the unbeliever, you know, who doesn't, has never heard the gospel1.00
00:46:41.160or anything like that. And, but one of the things, it's a grace of God and the second use of God's
00:46:46.000law. It's a grace of God when a society as a whole takes that law of God that's written on
00:46:51.680each individual heart, including the unbeliever, and works it into legislative law for the society
00:46:56.920as a whole. It says that thing that you know in your heart of hearts, in your conscience,0.67
00:47:01.560we're going to make that the law of the land in a formal capacity. But when the law of the land
00:47:07.240says this is wrong, if you kill a child in the womb after eight weeks, after 16 weeks,0.97
00:47:14.920after six weeks, or you kill them in this way. You have a doctor's appointment and they use0.55
00:47:19.900instruments inside of you. But if you do it at this time with this way, this pill over here,
00:47:25.660and you do it over there, then there is no penalty. Essentially, the law as a tutor is
00:47:32.760discipling. The law disciples us. The law is discipling women and saying, this is not sin.
00:47:39.720There's nothing to feel sorry for. There is no guilt. Therefore, no need of repentance. Therefore,0.73
00:47:44.240no need of salvation. And that, and I think when Christians present a law like that, what you guys1.00
00:47:49.120are saying, again, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying a Christian cannot, no person can,
00:47:54.520but a Christian certainly cannot present a law that comes in as a substitute teacher. Imagine,0.82
00:48:00.340you know, who's going to teach people that two plus two is five to children. It's going to tutor
00:48:05.400them incorrectly. And then they're going to take a test one day and be judged on it. And he is,
00:48:10.200He is intentionally teaching them wrong curriculum, falsities as though they are truth, to set
00:48:18.440them up to fail the ultimate test when they stand one day before God, that that is, not0.92
00:48:23.420only does it kill babies, but it damns women, right?1.00
00:52:47.380So the way that a bill works is a bill is filed and then it gets assigned to a committee.
00:52:52.560And in those committees, the chair of the committee, and this is just Texas politics.
00:52:56.860It's a little different in Oklahoma. But in Texas, the chair of the committee has sole authority on whether he can bring the bill to a hearing.
00:53:05.760And then even after that, he has sole authority on whether he can even bring it to a vote.
00:53:10.080So he has all that power. So we have two bills.
00:53:15.460We have the abolition bill in the House and then we have the abolition bill in the Senate right now, an equal protection bill.
00:53:22.680So in the Senate, the Speaker of the House has been fighting off a lot of Republican grassroots who are trying to tell him to not ban Democrat chairs.
00:53:33.620And one of the reasons why is because Democrat chairs get the power to kill bills completely.
00:53:38.680Wait, hold on. So you're saying Republicans in Texas have been encouraging the Speaker of the House in Texas to not get rid of Democrat chairs because we need at least some Democrat chairs to be the head of these committees.
00:53:51.800Maybe I misspoke the other way around.
00:56:31.020So that means there's a proximal way to take action.
00:56:36.040And that proximal action is first, you think in the sphere of your home, in your own family, and then your relatives, who can I talk to to share what the difference is and what it truly would mean to extend the love of God towards my preborn neighbors to fulfill the second greatest commandment would be to treat my neighbor as I would want to be treated.
00:57:02.320And that's to fulfill the royal law, to love my neighbor as myself and to treat them as though I would want to be treated.
00:57:09.380To do that, I must demand their equal protection under law.
00:57:14.360So tell your tell your family and then you can go to your church and you can start talking to them.
00:57:20.360And then you can go and talk to your civil leaders or the folks at your work.
00:57:24.500And some of the very helpful resources for that is the Rescue Those app.
00:57:47.400That's a documentary that myself and a couple of other folks wrote and produced.0.73
00:57:53.280It will be very helpful to helpful to show you the distinctions between the pro-life establishment and how they approach the issue of life and this modern Holocaust of abortion that's 10 times greater than that of of Hitler's.
00:58:08.280Uh, and then, uh, you can, you can really, an important thing is you can go to, if there
00:58:17.200are mills in your state, abortion mills, then you can go on the sidewalks.
00:58:22.080You can talk, reach out to somebody, whether that's Abolish Abortion Texas or, or someone
00:58:27.440through Rescue Those, or there's other groups, reach out and see, you can look on our app
00:58:33.340and search your area and it will tell you where the abortion mills are.
00:58:38.280but find someone to go with yeah the it was so it was april 1st at 10 30 that's when it is
00:58:45.460saturday april 1st at 10 30 uh sorry to interrupt but i also just wanted to firmly second the app
00:58:51.700the app is incredible if anybody it has their interest peaked on any of this uh the app has
00:58:59.200like almost every abolitionist resource in existence there and even lists upcoming abolitionist
00:59:05.780events on there. I mean, they put a lot of hard work and dedication into putting really, really
00:59:12.780good, helpful resources and thinking through this stuff. So I just wanted to second the app
00:59:17.400and then mention that the rallies on Saturday, April 1st at 1030 at the Capitol.
00:59:23.480Yeah. And folks need to educate themselves as well. It's a lot to take in initially. And so
00:59:31.080that app will provide talks and sermons. Uh, it'll also, you can look at booklets that, that will
00:59:38.220educate you on, am I an abolitionist? What does it mean to rescue those that are being led off to
00:59:42.720slaughter? Uh, I wrote a booklet on in vitro fertilization and so-called ethical in vitro
00:59:48.620fertilization. Uh, I'm hoping to produce a booklet in the next month or so, uh, on abortifacient
00:59:55.600birth control and abortion pills. There's been several updates in the law, so that will be
01:00:00.780coming as well. Great. I've done an episode on the hormonal birth control pill, and I've also
01:00:08.300had Cali on, and we did one in vitro. And so I've done some of that on our channel, trying to
01:00:14.900address that as well, because that's just another area where I think a lot of Christians, not1.00
01:00:18.480necessarily malicious, but just ignorant. People don't talk about it. And just lastly,1.00
01:00:25.720you can go and preach the gospel at these abortion mills or on campuses or around public spaces. And0.54
01:00:34.320one of the things that we do at the abortion mill is we do three things. We preach the gospel.
01:00:38.360We plead with these women not to murder their children. And if they won't do that, either way,
01:00:44.020we provide real help to them, whether that's adoption of their children or any medical or
01:00:51.120physical needs that they might have. We want to see that baby rescued from being taken to slaughter.
01:00:57.520And you can talk to your legislator and tell them this is what God's word says. You shall not murder
01:01:04.280and you need to love your neighbor as yourself and give them equal protection under the law.
01:01:10.900That is a life. And if you're a Christian, you affirm that and you know it. Very simple
01:01:17.540conversations with them, but they need to know those things from us.
01:01:21.880Right. Amen. All right, Jacob, any final word from you?