The NXR Podcast - THEOLOGY APPLIED - Fighting Against Temptation with Dr. Jared Moore

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00:00:24.060 review on your favorite podcast platform. Thanks. At what point does sin actually become sin? Is it

00:00:32.100 only once we've thoroughly crossed the threshold into the realm of outward behaviors and actions,

00:00:37.860 or in biblical terms, can a person be in sin merely at the level of desire? John Owen says

00:00:46.660 that we should make no provisions for the flesh, that sins of omission can quickly become sins of

00:00:53.400 co-mission. This is the subject we'll be addressing in today's episode of Theology

00:00:58.780 Applied. I'm welcoming onto the show for the first time, Dr. Jared Moore. I'm Pastor Joel

00:01:04.940 Webin, your host with Right Response Ministries. Let's tune in now.

00:01:09.440 Applying God's Word to every aspect of life. This is Theology Applied.

00:01:14.840 All right, welcome to another episode of Theology Applied.

00:01:22.080 I'm your host, Pastor Joel Webbin with Right Response Ministries.

00:01:24.540 And in this episode, I'm privileged to welcome to the show for the first time, Dr. Jared Moore.

00:01:29.680 Are we a doctor over there?

00:01:31.720 Yes, sir.

00:01:32.360 All right.

00:01:33.100 Great.

00:01:33.540 Jared, thanks for coming on the show.

00:01:34.720 You've just written a book called The Lust of the Flesh.

00:01:37.740 And go ahead and flesh out also, flesh out the subtitle for the book,

00:01:43.000 Because that'll probably get the conversation going.

00:01:44.940 It's the lust of the flesh, dot, dot, dot.

00:01:47.480 Yeah, thinking biblically about sexual orientation, attraction, and temptation.

00:01:53.280 So are you a big fan of revoice, I imagine?

00:01:56.400 No, not at all.

00:01:57.840 Not at all.

00:01:58.340 So talk about that.

00:01:59.200 So thinking biblically about orientation, attraction, and temptation.

00:02:03.280 Because it seems like part of what you're getting into is the concupiscence, just the doctrine of sin.

00:02:09.460 How do we understand sin?

00:02:10.880 when does a desire become sin or is desire itself sinful? It's a really important conversation

00:02:17.680 because it does seem like the church has been wrestling for several decades now, especially 1.00

00:02:23.140 with all the LGBT stuff, that the church has been working overtime to redefine sin. 1.00

00:02:30.040 Absolutely. I mean, Wesley Hill came on the scene and almost Revoice's entire argument 1.00

00:02:37.120 is almost rhetoric.

00:02:39.420 That's all it is.

00:02:41.920 They frame the argument in such a way that it's empty rhetoric, 1.00

00:02:48.740 but Christians were not biblically confessional enough 0.84

00:02:54.580 to be able to resist the onslaught. 0.99

00:02:57.260 I'm talking, it's amazing.

00:03:00.240 It's crazy that Revoice got such a foothold in the PCA

00:03:04.700 because they have the most robust confession,

00:03:10.860 the Westminster Standards are totally against Revoice.

00:03:16.600 And so Revoice argues, you've got Nate Collins, the president of Revoice,

00:03:22.740 and it's called Side B Christianity is what they call it, 0.93

00:03:26.320 but it's just they're gay Christians, but when they say gay, 0.96

00:03:30.460 they mean that they have same-sex desires, and they reject the same-sex sexual desires,

00:03:38.660 but they believe that there are non-sexual elements of their same-sex attraction that

00:03:44.660 they can turn to holiness. And so they run around calling themselves a gay Christian

00:03:50.260 because they believe they can sanctify their homosexual desires. And I argue in this book 0.91

00:03:58.640 that you can't because the source of same-sex desires is the fall or the flesh, 0.77

00:04:07.060 and nothing good can come from the flesh, according to Romans 7.

00:04:12.080 Jesus says that nothing good comes from the flesh,

00:04:16.060 but they believe that good can come from the flesh.

00:04:21.100 And so that's what I'm rebutting is going back to Scripture

00:04:23.880 and going back to the Reformed tradition, really the Protestant tradition entirely.

00:04:29.840 Not just the Protestant, but the Roman Catholic tradition before the 1700s argued against this,

00:04:39.240 before they were semi-Pelagian.

00:04:43.000 Okay.

00:04:44.220 So you're arguing that for a little while, as the church started dealing with, again, 0.56

00:04:52.140 on the LGBT LMNOP madness, that was one of the big questions is, what is God's ideal

00:05:01.580 for someone who wrestles with same-sex attraction? Is it that they merely not act on it or that the

00:05:09.360 desire itself would be purged, right? That if I'm not acting on this desire, is that enough?

00:05:17.820 Is that sufficient? Am I living in full obedience to the law of God or by having the desire but

00:05:25.500 merely not acting on it? And this gets in, right, to the doctrine of concupiscence. Could you maybe

00:05:30.340 just talk about that a little bit? How would you define concupiscence?

00:05:35.220 So concupiscence is anything in you that's contrary to God, basically. It's original sin,

00:05:42.780 But in Christians, it's what's left over of original sin. 0.99

00:05:46.860 And so, you know, in unbelievers, original sin produces motions, and that's concupiscence. 0.98

00:05:53.500 In Christians, original sin has lost its foothold, but it still produces desires that we must turn from and seek to starve. 0.98

00:06:04.280 You know, Augustine says that you treat it like it's a hot coal. 0.97

00:06:09.440 You starve it and let it burn to no effect.

00:06:13.220 And Augustine also argued that the goal is sinlessness.

00:06:16.720 He argued that the flesh is sin and anything that comes from it is sin.

00:06:22.220 And so let's say that you have an inclination that's contrary to God.

00:06:27.080 And let's say you reject it.

00:06:28.840 And Augustine says, rejoice that you rejected it, but then repent for having even had it.

00:06:36.300 The initial inclination, the desire to sin against God, even if you didn't act on that desire,

00:06:43.560 but just the fact that you had a desire to rebel against God in the first place.

00:06:47.520 Yes.

00:06:48.360 And folks, what they do is, what Revoice has done is they've reversed theology to where they study their feelings,

00:06:55.520 and then they read their feelings back into Scripture.

00:06:59.220 You also see this with Gregory Coles, who just debated James White on this subject last week.

00:07:07.000 He argues that there is a pre-lust desire that is not sin.

00:07:13.340 But that is not according to the Protestant tradition and the Roman Catholic tradition,

00:07:18.440 because he's basing sin on man's will, man's choices, rather than on God's definition of holiness.

00:07:26.380 So you see, the question of sin is not, oh, I've got to look in the mirror and do introspection and see if I've sinned.

00:07:32.240 The question is, have I been obedient to God from my heart?

00:07:36.040 And if you haven't been, that's sin.

00:07:39.740 Right.

00:07:41.280 You know, I think of even the ways that this would apply.

00:07:43.980 I know that you're primarily dealing with sexual immorality, but I think of the ways that it would apply even to, you know, I always think of Alcoholics Anonymous.

00:07:51.720 and i feel that like in some way alcohol is deified that it's given more power um than

00:07:57.580 than it should right so there's this sense of like um forever perpetually you know um labeling

00:08:03.720 yourself as you know hi my name is joel i'm an alcoholic um even if you know and then it's like

00:08:08.520 it's been 20 years since my last drink you know but you're still saying like but i am this kind

00:08:13.640 of person like i there's a certain strain of person a certain identity a certain type of person

00:08:19.460 and I am that type of person.

00:08:21.080 And so for me, alcohol is a God.

00:08:24.880 It has a supernatural deified power over me.

00:08:28.560 I cannot even have one drop, right?

00:08:30.720 When I attend church, if that church uses wine

00:08:34.000 in the Lord's Supper, I'm gonna be that thorn

00:08:35.760 in that pastor's side.

00:08:37.660 I'm gonna, the tyranny of the weaker brother,

00:08:39.780 here I come.

00:08:41.260 And we know those people, right?

00:08:43.840 They're dime a dozen, especially in the church.

00:08:47.000 and so i i think of like that saying it seems like a very similar principle with the revoice

00:08:52.020 stuff when it comes to same-sex attraction um that you know well this is just who i am it's

00:08:57.340 the way i was made even you know it's my design um so it seems like if you're not careful you

00:09:03.680 start to attribute uh the same-sex desire to to god himself like god instilled this in me

00:09:10.800 god made me like this um or or at minimum you're you're it's a subtle indictment of of the creator

00:09:19.000 as capricious or cruel that uh that in that he you know he gives and then with the next hand

00:09:26.040 takes away you know that he that he creates you to uh inherently desire something that

00:09:30.800 he conveniently forbid so it i mean it messes with your doctrine of god all these different

00:09:36.280 things come into play. Any thoughts on that? Yeah. Nate Collins, for example, the president

00:09:43.500 of Revoice, he argues in his book, All But Invisible, he permits that people may be gay 0.66

00:09:49.020 in eternity in heaven. That's the consistent argument, right? If you believe that same-sex 1.00

00:09:58.640 attraction is not inherently sin, then the consistent outworking of that would say, 0.82

00:10:04.800 well, why wouldn't it be in heaven? They refer to it as, Wesley Hill says it's a doorway to

00:10:11.620 blessing and grace. It's all rhetoric, and it's all introspection.

00:10:18.620 Didn't they have an article a while back, like what queer treasures will be in the

00:10:22.080 New Jerusalem or something like that? Yeah. One of the worship leader at one of 0.66

00:10:27.020 the first conferences argued that, and since then, he has come out as fully affirming of 0.88

00:10:33.300 same-sex marriage shocking yeah shocking right like it's ridiculous how and you know in that

00:10:40.960 debate with James White and Gregory Coles Coles said which is it just it hurt my heart when he

00:10:48.400 said it because he actually um no it wasn't it's from his book it's from his book that he wrote

00:10:56.280 which D.A. Carson endorsed, which was shocking.

00:11:01.500 But he wrote a book, and he talked about at one point he was seeing this girl,

00:11:07.880 and he thought, you know, she's the one.

00:11:10.560 But he had this vision of Jesus, a vision or a dream or something,

00:11:17.700 and Jesus was shaking his head at him like, no, you're not supposed to marry this girl.

00:11:23.460 And so he went and met with her and said no. 0.80

00:11:27.040 And so now he says he's a gay, celibate Christian.

00:11:30.200 And I'm just like, dude, you found a girl that would marry you, number one, which is hard, right, Joel?

00:11:37.600 That's not easy. 0.95

00:11:39.180 And you turned her down because you're gay? 0.92

00:11:42.660 Who told you you were gay? 0.97

00:11:44.320 The Bible sure didn't tell you what your experience tells you. 0.67

00:11:48.460 Does your experience ever tell you that you're worthless and not valuable and not all kinds of things that are contrary to God?

00:11:54.880 Right.

00:11:55.240 We don't believe those things.

00:11:56.400 Why?

00:11:56.660 Because of the Bible. 0.62

00:11:57.600 Well, why would we believe?

00:11:59.900 Why would they believe because of they have these desires that those desires are who they are according to God's design when the Bible says the opposite?

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00:13:27.980 Right.

00:13:28.760 Yeah, it seems weird to me

00:13:30.300 because some of this is just explicitly addressed

00:13:33.740 by scripture.

00:13:34.420 So I think of the book of James.

00:13:35.420 It's like, why is it that you have quarrels and factions among you?

00:13:38.300 Is it not because of your evil desires that are at war within you?

00:13:41.720 You know, you covet and do not have, so you commit murder.

00:13:46.420 And I mean, even from like a law of God perspective, when it comes to, you know, the distinction between sins and crimes, as we're thinking about, you know, political theology, which is a popular topic these days, you know, Christian nationalism and those kinds of things.

00:13:59.980 um well yeah i i don't want the civil magistrate to um to form you know like we have enough uh

00:14:06.180 three-letter agencies already i'd like to get rid of them i don't want um the you know the

00:14:10.440 coveting police t you know tcp you know like um because covetousness it's like well then when does

00:14:16.960 the civil magistrate punish covetousness well when when it overflows from covetousness unrepentant

00:14:22.080 unchecked into theft into murder and you know that's what that's what james is saying but that's

00:14:26.680 as it pertains to crimes and the role of the civil magistrate, that's not in regard, James

00:14:31.840 is not making an argument in regards to sin. So it's not, coveting is not sin, but once it

00:14:37.100 elevates to the level of murder or theft, then it becomes a sin. No, it's, you know, because that's

00:14:43.680 the argument from, you know, desire gives birth to sin, sin when fully grown leads towards death.

00:14:51.180 And so I think, in my understanding, the book of James, it seems to be plainly saying that

00:14:56.440 sin begins at the level of desire itself, that to desire anything outside of God's law

00:15:03.860 is to miss the mark. And certainly there are degrees. I think part of the problem is people

00:15:11.140 are hesitant to call that a sin because they're still operating underneath the misnomer that

00:15:15.920 all sin is equal and all sin is not equal. I mean, it's much worse if you murder someone

00:15:21.580 rather than merely covet their stuff.

00:15:25.700 But it is sin.

00:15:27.100 So we're not saying that all sin is equal,

00:15:29.860 that it's the worst sin.

00:15:32.240 But to say that it's not a sin at all,

00:15:34.560 I think just invites a whole,

00:15:37.020 it imposes on the scripture a weird hermeneutic

00:15:39.100 and invites a whole new host of problems.

00:15:41.720 What do you think?

00:15:43.260 Yeah, if you read the whole book of James,

00:15:46.020 there's no way you can come away saying,

00:15:48.440 you know, he really wanted his hearers

00:15:50.020 to not feel bad about their desires.

00:15:52.700 Right.

00:15:53.280 You can't argue that.

00:15:55.480 He's very direct, very blunt, and he starts that passage in James 1

00:16:03.040 where people argue, see, only if desire conceives does it produce sin.

00:16:10.760 They argue that, but James begins by saying that God can't tempt.

00:16:17.300 He begins by saying God can't do this.

00:16:19.540 And what follows is, just as God can't do this because it's sin, what follows is a genealogical metaphor where you have a grandmother, a mother, and a daughter.

00:16:30.820 And people take that metaphor and they say, well, sin doesn't come until desire conceives.

00:16:38.840 But the problem is that that desire, just like a grandmother, can only produce what she is.

00:16:44.660 Right. 0.67

00:16:45.380 And a mother can only produce what she is.

00:16:47.280 I mean, that's what he's arguing. 0.93

00:16:48.200 He's saying this doesn't come from God.

00:16:50.300 It comes from you, right?

00:16:52.520 And he uses the same Greek word.

00:16:54.220 The same Greek word can be translated tests, trials, or temptations.

00:16:59.000 And in James 1, it's translated all three of those.

00:17:02.880 And tests and trials are the same thing.

00:17:05.300 But God can't tempt.

00:17:07.600 So he argues, you know, be glad when you have these things because God is, tests and trials are good for you because it matures you.

00:17:15.980 but in the midst of your tests and trials from god you tempt yourself toward evil so he's trying

00:17:22.700 to get these heroes to take responsibility for their sin from the root all the way to the fruit

00:17:30.060 not just not just the actions that they're responsible for but even the evil desires

00:17:34.980 right and well and it just seems silly because it's like how would you get rid of the fruit

00:17:39.620 like in every other instance as we you know use that analogy of you know that that paradigm of

00:17:45.420 root and fruit and every other sermon i've ever heard you know using that same paradigm of root

00:17:51.760 and fruit applied to any other topic we would always say well you control the fruit by the

00:17:56.140 root address the root address the root you know you think of like you know john owen you know

00:18:01.200 making no provisions for the flesh you know sins of omission you know can become sins of commission

00:18:06.640 you know and so like you what do you do you well you you have to head it off at the root you got

00:18:11.120 to attack the root. And then that begs the question that if, okay, if the way that I put to

00:18:16.300 death, not just managing or subduing, but actually mortifying the flesh, mortifying sin, if the way

00:18:22.580 that I am to mortify the fruit sins, well, how do I do that? Well, I'm going to have to make war

00:18:29.060 against the root. And then if I'm making war against the root, then how do I say, like,

00:18:36.000 what theological category would i use to say that i that god is calling me to war against something

00:18:41.260 that's that's perfectly fine something that's not sin you know what i mean so like i just feel like

00:18:46.320 that like james is saying cut this off over here and he's he's not saying this is bad this is good

00:18:52.620 that's i mean that would be an insane reading of the text is now this is bad and here's its source

00:18:57.620 here's the fountainhead the implication implicitly is this also is bad it's the pregnant womb that

00:19:03.380 gives birth to these things. And so here you go. This is bad. This is its source, which implicitly 0.99

00:19:09.480 is also bad. So make war here. Oh, but dot, dot, dot, by the way, I would like you to violently

00:19:15.340 wage war seeking to mortify that which is inherently permissible to God. I'm not a Greek 0.99

00:19:24.840 scholar, but that seems like bad exegesis. It's definitely bad exegesis. And it's sad,

00:19:33.040 But even Douglas Moo gets this wrong.

00:19:35.940 Robert Gagnon gets this wrong.

00:19:38.200 I mean, those are both brilliant men, brilliant scholars in their particular expertise, you know.

00:19:43.980 But they get this wrong.

00:19:46.420 And it's sad because, you know, people, they miss the metaphor.

00:19:52.180 They miss the metaphor in James 1.

00:19:54.580 And the reason why I say that is because they say, well, only when desire conceives is it sin.

00:20:00.140 but they don't turn around and also argue that only does sin produce death

00:20:04.340 when it's full grown.

00:20:06.180 No, they argue that sin always produces death, right?

00:20:10.420 I mean, that's Romans 3, right?

00:20:12.820 Yeah.

00:20:13.300 Or Romans 5.

00:20:15.920 I mean, it's very clear, but they miss that metaphor.

00:20:21.300 And I usually ask people when they say, no, no, no,

00:20:23.980 James says it's not sin until desire conceives.

00:20:26.040 I say, well, do you also believe that sin only produces death when it's full grown?

00:20:31.340 And usually they'll step back and say, well, no.

00:20:35.020 But that's a proof text.

00:20:36.660 People are against proof texting until you start talking about this subject.

00:20:40.880 Right.

00:20:41.640 All right.

00:20:42.180 Well, let's land the plane here because I think this is an interesting question.

00:20:45.980 I've had a little bit of discourse with you and a couple of other guys offline about this topic.

00:20:51.000 and so you know same-sex uh attraction is an unnatural desire um it's it's perverse it's um 0.96

00:20:59.660 but you know to play the devil's advocate and i think i already know your answer and i i agree

00:21:05.860 with you but to play the devil's advocate what would you say to a single young man so he's not

00:21:10.720 married, and he has heterosexual desires, but he desires a woman. Is that also at the level of

00:21:21.460 desire? He's being celibate, he's not acting on it, but at the level of desire, if he desires a

00:21:28.140 woman who is not yet his wife, is that also sin at the level of desire, inherently sinful?

00:21:36.800 Well, it depends on how he desires her.

00:21:39.280 So something I argue in my book is I argue that it is biblically permissible to desire a woman to cut a covenant with, a sexual covenant, one day.

00:21:53.040 But if he is desiring her before that day sexually, then that that is sin. 0.65

00:22:02.360 It's similar to, because if you argue from that, it's natural to desire women sexually,

00:22:09.200 then that would mean that it was permissible for even married men to desire other women

00:22:14.480 sexually.

00:22:15.640 I mean, we would have to argue that.

00:22:17.240 Right.

00:22:17.640 It'd be weird to say that this desire is not sin so long as you're single and that you

00:22:22.220 could desire anyone, right?

00:22:23.780 Because that's the problem is, okay, let's say you desire a particular woman because

00:22:27.020 you're courting her or dating her, but then it doesn't work out and you're in the relationship.

00:22:30.220 and then now you're, you know, dating, courting another woman, you end up marrying her. Well,

00:22:35.000 then retroactively, are we looking back now and saying, well, that first desire for that first

00:22:38.660 woman who did not actually end up becoming my wife, that was sinful. But, you know, but that

00:22:43.040 same desire pre-marriage with the second woman who I did actually marry, that was somehow not

00:22:47.820 sinful. Right. Is that kind of what you're getting at? Yeah. Yeah. And mainly from Adam and Eve,

00:22:53.580 the way. So God took Eve from Adam. Adam was only attracted to one woman. I mean,

00:23:02.620 if the fall did not happen, he would not have been attracted to multiple women.

00:23:07.980 And that's with them being naked in the garden.

00:23:10.740 Right, right. Which is wild.

00:23:13.400 So that is a state of integrity right there, if I've ever seen one.

00:23:18.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:18.780 And so it is good to love a woman. 0.94

00:23:24.100 It is good to desire a woman, to desire to cut a sexual covenant with a woman.

00:23:29.640 But to desire sexual immorality is sin.

00:23:35.820 It's the beginning of the lust of the flesh.

00:23:38.520 And so we have to fight those desires.

00:23:40.400 What I've told my sons, my oldest son is 15.

00:23:43.220 I told him when he has a desire that his body is telling him to get married according to God's design. 0.58

00:23:50.760 So he needs to pursue a wife.

00:23:53.340 But any sexual desire before marriage is sin is what I tell him.

00:23:59.980 And the reason why you get 1 Timothy 5 where Paul tells Timothy to treat all young women like sisters and older women like mothers in all purity.

00:24:11.460 And so if you view women that way before marriage, I mean, again, you can love a woman and you can desire to marry her and cut a sexual covenant with her.

00:24:21.860 But you cannot desire her as if she is your wife already.

00:24:27.860 I got you. 0.97

00:24:28.700 Yeah, and to treat women, younger women like sisters, older women like mothers, it seems, again, it seems frivolous or wrongheaded to say the treating, lending towards behavior.

00:24:42.120 This should be your behavior as you engage other women, but behind the scenes, underneath your behavior, you could be desiring them in a sexual way, apart from a covenant.

00:24:56.340 that seems weird

00:24:59.300 alright well any final thoughts

00:25:01.360 and then in this please tell

00:25:03.080 the listener where they can go and get your book

00:25:05.260 I'd like to just briefly talk about

00:25:09.420 the temptation of Jesus since his

00:25:11.200 temptation is used so much to justify

00:25:13.380 sin which

00:25:14.980 number one

00:25:16.420 the whole point of Jesus' temptation

00:25:19.560 is not to send us

00:25:21.360 running to the mirror it's to send us running

00:25:23.300 to him because he endured temptation perfectly

00:25:26.480 But yet people often say, well, I'm being tempted like Jesus, and thus I'm not sinning.

00:25:32.360 Jesus's temptation in the wilderness was peculiar and unique because the devil offered him objectively good things,

00:25:40.480 offered through an evil means.

00:25:42.380 So he offered him food.

00:25:44.140 The text literally says Jesus was hungry because he fasted 40 days.

00:25:48.400 So he's hungry.

00:25:49.400 He has a desire for food.

00:25:50.500 And so the devil tempts him with food, tempts him with angel protection, tempts him with the kingdoms of the world.

00:25:56.720 All of those things are things that God had promised Jesus or would give Jesus during his earthly ministry or after the cross.

00:26:04.820 They're all good things.

00:26:06.680 But the devil, when he tempted, for example, David, you know, it's not there in the text, but we assume he tempted David. 0.72

00:26:15.320 He tempted him with laziness, murder, fornication, sexual morality, adultery.

00:26:21.920 So all of those are inherently evil things. 0.98

00:26:25.280 Right.

00:26:25.740 He goes to the true David and he offers him only good things.

00:26:29.680 And Jesus immediately rejects the evil means.

00:26:32.560 Right.

00:26:32.780 He desired those things from his father. 0.70

00:26:35.220 And so wanting to have sex with the man, if you're a man, is not you being tempted like Jesus. 0.69

00:26:41.880 Right. 0.75

00:26:43.560 It's not even close.

00:26:45.320 Like, that's an inherently evil desire, right?

00:26:49.420 Now, if you are wanting to provide for your family and someone comes to you and says,

00:26:54.260 look, I'll help you rob this bank, right?

00:26:59.040 Wanting to provide for your family is good.

00:27:01.680 You reject the evil means, then you've been tempted like Jesus.

00:27:04.920 You haven't sent, right?

00:27:06.700 And so that's, I just wanted to briefly talk about that because that is so misunderstood.

00:27:11.300 Right.

00:27:11.500 And they also talk about Hebrews, where Jesus was tempted in every way like us.

00:27:16.480 But if you read the book of Hebrews, the whole point is that Jesus is better than us.

00:27:23.660 The whole argument of Hebrews is that he's better than the Old Testament sacrifices.

00:27:27.620 He's better than the Old Testament priests.

00:27:29.620 He's better than the Old Testament prophets, right?

00:27:31.580 He's better than Moses, better than the angels.

00:27:34.460 Yes, he's better than all those who came before.

00:27:37.580 That's why you don't need to return to the Old Covenant.

00:27:40.540 And he is truly human like us, yet without sin is the point of Hebrews 4.15.

00:27:46.700 Tempted in every way like us doesn't mean that he was tempted with murder or tempted with abuse or tempted like Jesus was not tempted with those things.

00:27:56.120 He was tempted as truly human is the argument.

00:27:59.080 It's an argument for him being our high priest in that chapter.

00:28:03.700 And so those are often used to try to justify sin, and we need to reject that.

00:28:08.420 But friend, you can get my book. Listener, you can get my book at freegracepress.com. Right now, they're doing a pre-order special. It's just $14. It's $13.95. And it's endorsed by Rosaria Butterfield, James White, Mark Coppinger, Mark Jones. And there's several wonderful endorsements on there. And I want to encourage you to check it out.

00:28:35.820 Great. Thank you, Dr. Moore, for coming on the show. And yeah, listener, check out the book. It's, well, I mean, it's just a timeless biblical principle, but it's very relevant in our time today. And it's not to, Jared is not trying to leave the reader or the listener of this episode in a state of condemnation. It's not to say, so everything is sin, therefore feel bad.

00:28:57.620 is to say, well, everything is sin.

00:28:59.820 Sin actually abounds a lot more

00:29:01.440 than we like to say it does.

00:29:03.600 But that's God's grace abounds all the more.

00:29:06.700 And so it's not, so we're not making,

00:29:08.320 you know, it might say,

00:29:09.500 you might be tempted to say,

00:29:10.720 well, it sounds like after listening to this,

00:29:12.840 I already knew sin was a problem.

00:29:14.340 And now it seems like sin is pervasive.

00:29:16.700 Uh-huh.

00:29:17.220 Yeah, that's right.

00:29:18.620 Sin is pervasive.

00:29:19.880 And all the more the grace of God

00:29:21.320 and not just the grace to cover sin,

00:29:23.800 but to war against sin

00:29:25.060 and to war against sin

00:29:26.420 at the at the at the fountainhead at the at the starting point so yeah and i want to i want to

00:29:32.700 help people so i was listening to sam albury the other day for example and he he's he was speaking

00:29:39.760 at in uh it was in idaho and he said that he would love to be a father would love to be a father

00:29:49.260 but he can't marry because he has same-sex attraction yeah and i just i'm like sam one

00:29:56.200 day you're going to wake up and realize that you forfeited God's good gift of marriage and

00:30:01.940 children, right? And that's, I want to encourage people who have these desires to reject them and

00:30:07.720 to cultivate desires that are in lockstep with God's design. Find the godliest opposite sex 1.00

00:30:13.520 person you can find who's single, pursue him or her for marriage and get married and have a lot 0.97

00:30:20.140 of babies. Right. Right. I hear you. All right. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show

00:30:27.460 and thank you to the listener for tuning in. God bless. Joe, thank you for having me, brother.

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The NXR Podcast - October 24, 2023

THEOLOGY APPLIED - Fighting Against Temptation with Dr. Jared Moore

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