00:02:42.020And so I took a few quotes from this article and I put them there.
00:02:45.700they're kind of out of order from the way that you wrote it. But some of the things I just thought
00:02:48.920were so profound and insightful. But it does make sense if I just read it as a paragraph. But I was
00:02:55.060thinking, I just want to read line by line, and then throw it to you and get your thoughts. And
00:03:00.600then we can just kind of go back and forth. And I think we can, I think there's some just there's
00:03:05.140some great stuff here from what you wrote. So okay. All right. So let's just let's just go ahead
00:03:08.960and start. So I have parenthetically, because this is who you're talking about. But according
00:03:13.220to progressives societies don't suffer from too much sin their problem is not enough season
00:03:18.880i love that talk about that for a second yeah so so just for the the larger context i wrote this
00:03:28.140column tuesday monday or tuesday um earlier this week and it was really in response to matt walsh's
00:03:36.400you know film what is a woman which everybody's talking about and and for me i started by saying
00:03:41.520I thought the film was less about the question, what is a woman or even the issue of transgenderism?
00:03:48.940It really was a film about about truth and the nature of truth and whether there is such a thing as objective truth.
00:03:56.200Not that Matt Walsh was raising that question, but the people he was speaking to, it was clear that they don't believe that there's such a thing as objective truth.
00:04:03.180And so, you know, once I got down to this, to the part that you quoted, I'm saying, you know, if humans don't believe that there's a creator who provides our, you know, objective standards of morality, then human flourishing is really about having the right people in power, right?
00:04:24.320This is this is this is often this is basically the progressive sort of leftist view of the world.
00:04:30.320I guess you need to write people in power, wielding power to get the type of outcomes that they want.
00:04:36.580So if it's about that, then it's not about human flourishing is not a function of sort of spiritual health.
00:04:43.680And that's why I said, you know, from their perspective, societies don't suffer from too much sin is not enough season.
00:04:49.640Right. So we don't have the right people in power.
00:04:52.680If we practice socialism, then we'll get it right. Everybody else has failed, but then we'll get it right. So, but before that, and I hope I don't step on your message, but before that paragraph, I said the denial of objective truth is a rejection of God.
00:05:10.120and i say that there's a straight line from biological evolution that's right yeah
00:05:15.080to political revolution to cultural devolution devolution devolution right so and you know
00:05:24.680that's true because i'm a pastor i know for a fact that is true because it rhymes
00:05:28.440it has to be true that's the standard yeah i was telling somebody earlier um i said like when i
00:05:38.700write, I see myself as equal parts preacher, comedian, and rapper. So I have certain lines
00:05:46.820and the preacher part, whenever I get a sort of, you know, I get going on my alliteration,
00:05:52.000I'll say, nah, that's the, that's the preacher part of it. So real quick, the line one more
00:05:57.420time was there was a straight, it is great line. There was a straight line from biological evolution
00:06:02.320to political revolution to cultural devolution go ahead yeah so so yeah i and i really believe
00:06:10.340that and and if for your sports fan viewers it's almost like you know watching a pitcher throw a
00:06:16.600slider to a right-handed batter it's it's down and to the left and and that's how i would describe
00:06:21.360you know that line so um for people again who hold to that worldview it's always about the
00:06:27.300people in power and i know i don't know you've particularly over like let's say the last four
00:06:31.800years that's all everyone wants to talk about even in big eva it's about power who has the power
00:06:38.620who's wielding the power and um well that was james cone with black liberation theology you
00:06:44.480know like that infamous clip where he's like i know you know he's like i know there are problems
00:06:48.560in the black church but you know people ask me why i always talk about harp on the white church
00:06:52.880because they got more power you know is the way he said and that that was his whole thing it was
00:06:57.400like who has power. Correct. Correct. So, so yeah, so that, that's, that was that line about
00:07:02.500sin versus Caesar. Cool. So let's, let's explore that a little bit more because here, here are
00:07:07.740some of the thoughts that I had. So societies don't suffer too, from too much sin. Their problem
00:07:12.340is not enough Caesar. And I think that like, that's so insightful, but it gets into who is
00:07:16.380Caesar? What's the purpose of Caesar? You know, like what, what, so what does the Bible say about
00:07:21.040Caesar? But then also what, what do progressives, what do they say about Caesar? What, how do they
00:07:26.080define Caesar? Because when I look at that, I think, well, the reason, so it's funny. It's
00:07:31.060like the opposite. Of course, it's the opposite of God's truth and what we believe from the
00:07:34.680scripture. But we would say, because societies suffer from so much sin, that's the whole reason
00:07:40.680why we need a Caesar. That Caesar is appointed by God to punish the evildoer. He bears the sword.
00:07:50.460He has a ministry of coercion. We always think of coercion in a negative way, but they're
00:07:56.000are proper instances where, yes, you are allowed to coerce to a minor, and it must be always the
00:08:02.780objective is love, but to a minor degree, there is a sense of coercion even within the sovereign
00:08:07.640sphere of the home. To the parent is given the rod, right? And regardless of your views on
00:08:13.020spanking and those kinds of things, the point is this, parents are physically larger than their
00:08:18.400kids, especially, you know, I'm talking about little kids. And there are times where that kid
00:08:22.660They're just throwing a tantrum and blue in their face.
00:08:24.380They're arching the back, you know, and stuff like that.
00:08:39.440So my point is there are ministries, you know, with the home, the church and the state where God does give a coercive tool, not just a persuasive tool.
00:08:48.100The rod and the sword are both coercive tools, but if they're used properly by the proper party, right, not a vigilante, but the state, you know, the father in the home and the civil magistrate in the state using the right tool by the right person for the right things, then that is appropriate.
00:09:07.520So for us, we say, okay, because there's so much sin in societies, that's the whole reason why we have Caesar to begin with.
00:09:14.660And because Caesar is a part of society, he himself is a sinner, which is why we have multiple Caesars and not just one, right?
00:09:23.280Checks and balances and three branches of government and outside of Caesar.
00:09:26.580That's why we have three sovereign spheres and Caesar is just one of them.
00:09:30.280And then we have the home and the church to also kind of help with this checks and balances.
00:09:34.640And so for us, it's like because of sin, that's the whole reason why we have Caesar.
00:09:38.660So in the progressive mindset of societies don't suffer, as you wrote, societies don't suffer from too much sin.
00:12:32.860and then i was i was i'd be listening for the last shoot or drop right and not a single one
00:12:39.360used the words marriage father father husband responsibility and i and i think
00:12:46.500um a lot of times people talk about you know cultural marxism and crt but i think that
00:12:52.600marxian worldview the materialist worldview the one that says if man's of all of man's needs were
00:12:59.300met then we could eliminate all pain and suffering and sin and evil that has that has taken hold in
00:13:08.880the church a lot more than i think we're we're really ready to uh acknowledge yeah i think you're
00:13:14.200right so yeah i i think i think that's right on so societies don't suffer uh from too much sin
00:13:19.560their problem is not enough caesar for us we would say uh sees because because we would say the only
00:13:24.760purpose for Caesar is because societies possess sin, and societies with that sin often commit
00:13:33.360crimes, and that's the purpose of Caesar, is to punish those who do evil. For them, though,
00:13:37.560they would say, oh, well, that's not what Caesar does. It's not that Caesar punishes sin
00:13:42.600when sin becomes crime, but rather what Caesar does is he, well, we could say it like this,
00:13:51.120he, he provides welfare. He, he, and basically what they'll do in a nutshell, what I'm getting
00:13:58.040at is they will define Caesar the way the Bible defines fathers, the home. And then they'll
00:14:05.960define Caesar the way that the Bible would define priests, you know, in the church, elders and
00:14:13.100deacons. And they'll define, so for them, the reason why they, they're like, we need more Caesar
00:14:17.460is because they have no, in their worldview, their antithetical, you know, anti-to-God worldview,
00:14:23.960because they hate God, they have no choice but to hate both the family and the church.
00:14:29.360The only institution that is divinely instituted by God, but the only institution that they don't
00:14:37.000hate is the state. And so, when they think, you know, societies don't suffer from too much sin,
00:14:44.200but they do suffer from, from pain and from tragedy and hunger and need, right? Societies
00:14:51.520have, and we would say, and why is that? You know, let's connect that dot. Just go, you're almost
00:14:57.400there. Keep going, keep going. You can make it. But they, but they would say, you know, the lack
00:15:02.200and the poverty and this and that is all hanging in midair. It's not rooted in sin. No, no, no,
00:15:07.400no. It's not because of sin. It's just, it's, it is because of sin. They would say it is because
00:15:11.560of sin but it's not because of society's sin it's because of a few individuals in society a certain
00:15:18.060group in society and so we need caesar to punish them and provide for us punish them and provide
00:15:26.120for us whereas we would say well caesar does need to punish those who do evil but that has to be
00:15:30.680you know defined by the bible not not progressive politics uh those who actually do evil and then
00:15:36.780caesar doesn't provide um that's that's what fathers fathers in the home um provide and even
00:15:42.580i i've noticed i don't know if you've noticed this but i've noticed a lot of people saying well
00:15:46.120we wouldn't need the state you know doing all these things and welfare and blah blah blah in
00:15:49.580this bloated state you know that's got its hand in this and hand in that if uh if the church and
00:15:54.440and i always just want to stop people right there and just say okay um biblically yeah the church
00:16:00.320does some of that um but biblically that out of these three spheres of the home the church and
00:16:04.520the state. The first guardrail, the first line of defense is not the church when it comes to
00:16:11.960meeting, when it comes to provision, when it comes to providing for it. The first line of defense
00:16:17.200is the family. The Bible does not say it's first the church. Look at 1 Timothy chapter 5, this list
00:16:22.620of, you know, do not admit, you know, a widow to this list of widows that the church is going to
00:16:27.200care for unless she's 65 years of age, unless she's been married once, right? Not multiple
00:16:33.100husbands, not adulterous, not, she needs to have been faithful. She has no husband to care for her.
00:16:38.940She has no grown sons that are able to care for her. She has, so basically what the apostle Paul
00:16:44.800is saying to Timothy is before the church helps someone and not just the poor because they're poor
00:16:50.460because of their sin, because they're lazy or this. No, but first, is this someone who's actually
00:16:54.720poor, helplessly poor, like a widow or an orphan? So first, it's not just the poor, but it's what I
00:17:00.000would call the helpless poor and then second is there anyone in their family that can help them
00:17:04.400if so they need to do it and don't burden the church and if not if the first line of defense
00:17:10.660the family that's the first place we look then we'll help them with the church but even with the
00:17:14.760church do they belong to the church are they faithful right it's not like that you know with
00:17:20.420the early book of acts they shared everything in common and no one had need among them they did not
00:17:24.400eradicate poverty in the city of jerusalem they eradicated poverty in the church in jerusalem
00:17:29.900even the you know the jewish historian josephus he said it's a very peculiar thing that a person
00:17:35.360could virtually become rich overnight simply by joining the ranks of the church but even josephus
00:17:40.980recognized there's a condition you must belong to the household of faith paul says in galatians
00:17:46.280right as often you have opportunity do good to all but especially that is prioritize the household
00:17:50.900of faith and although christ is infinite his church here on earth is finite meaning that as
00:17:56.280often as you have opportunity comes into play in almost every single scenario how much opportunity
00:18:00.560do we have we've got to prioritize we've got to pick and choose we pick the faithful over the
00:18:04.860faithful so all that being said my point is to say that um you know people say well we wouldn't
00:18:08.800have a bloated state we wouldn't have welfare we wouldn't have the state doing this and that if
00:18:11.680the church hadn't failed and i would say uh i i think the church has failed uh don't make no
00:18:16.660mistake but i think one of the chief ways the church failed is in discipling men so that the
00:18:22.100family wouldn't fail you got any thoughts on that yeah absolutely it's funny you on when you were
00:18:28.140speaking just now i thought about one of the things that i learned in sunday school many many
00:18:33.220movements ago growing up and um the the the brother who taught our sunday school class would
00:18:39.640tell you know me and my friends four of us um he i remembered clearly he said you know a man that
00:18:47.080doesn't take care of his household is worse and he used the word infidel right scriptures uses
00:18:52.580unbeliever and that was seared into our minds and we all of us grew up in households with our
00:18:59.960married parents our dads were all around but even the old the men our father's peers who were
00:19:07.740discipling us and teaching us that was one of the things that they drilled into our minds it was
00:19:11.500you know the notion that i would discharge that responsibility onto the state is just something i
00:19:17.360can't wrap my my mind around um and and as a and not as a one-time oh i need you know the social
00:19:25.760safety net but as a as a as a way of doing business for an entire community or entire
00:19:31.840city or entire nation is not something that i would ever subscribe to so so yeah i'm i i agree
00:19:38.920with you. I think the church has done a poor job of discipling. And I will say this,
00:19:44.520when I see Christian leaders who talk a lot about, you know, social justice or equity or racial
00:19:52.620justice, who spend more time, particularly as it relates to on the race aspect, when they spend
00:20:01.200more time talking about what white conservative christians think and say and do more so than what
00:20:13.040uh black men men like myself what our responsibilities are as men as the same as
00:20:19.920yours would be to your family when when they spend more time thinking about what you think
00:20:25.840more so than what i do i have a problem with that because these are these are some places
00:20:31.120you know who who have platforms and they could say hey black men you we're we're all the same
00:20:38.880like every man has a responsibility to his own household so it doesn't matter what somebody else
00:20:44.880in you know des moines or duluth or wherever you you live in philadelphia you live in washington dc
00:20:52.480You need to take care of your own business first before you blame somebody else for your material condition.
00:20:58.320So that's one of those things that really aggravates me because it's a missed opportunity.
00:21:03.560And it's not just a race thing, because I would argue that men in general in this country, particularly young men, are struggling.
00:21:11.420I don't think it's any coincidence that you see these mass shooters, oftentimes teenage boys who are disaffected and disconnected,
00:21:18.560sometimes because they don't have a relationship with their dad or a good relationship with their
00:21:23.660mom for that matter and sometimes you know they may live in the house with both parents
00:21:28.660but so many parents are busy you know with their own lives their own social media you know profiles
00:21:35.700and own jobs and whatever other responsibilities they have that they are not minding the store
00:21:41.980and don't realize that they're the teenagers being radicalized online right so um when i think about
00:21:49.840the young guys you know the kids 14 15 16 that are coming up it's hard to see what you know what
00:21:58.720what their what their future will look like because they're growing up in a world that
00:22:04.180doesn't can't even define the words man and woman right right and they're being told constantly that
00:22:10.300their masculinity the way god made them is toxic and sometimes they get that from the church
00:22:16.760and i and i and i think that's one of those ways in which the church has failed to properly disciple
00:22:22.780all of its members but particularly um young men i agree so one of the next things you wrote in
00:22:29.000your article and i'm putting a couple statements together here but you said they believe the
00:22:33.400desires of adults should always take precedent over the the needs of children the desires of
00:22:39.860adults should always take precedence over the needs of children. This is the dystopian future
00:22:45.320of butchered babies, harvested eggs, rented wombs, and sterilized adolescents. I think that's
00:22:53.720really well said, especially let's start with that first half of the desires of adults taking
00:22:59.360precedence over the needs of children, because the result of that is the dystopian future of
00:23:04.100butchered babies, harvested eggs, rented wombs, and sterilized adults. But talk about that for
00:23:09.860a little bit, this idea of adults and their desires trumping the needs of kids.
00:23:15.740Sure. I think the easiest way to see that, particularly the last two years, is
00:23:20.760the way that so many schools shut down and refuse to open up for kids. And sometimes,
00:23:30.540you know low-income kids who who really needed the in-person instruction and even after the time
00:23:36.620when everybody else went to work right the grocery stores were running the the uber eats guys were
00:23:41.740driving around and you heard some teachers still saying that they couldn't they couldn't go back
00:23:45.900and they were too afraid that's right they're not afraid they're not too afraid to go to mardi gras
00:23:50.300or puerto rico wherever but when it came to going back in the classroom it's like oh we're scared
00:23:55.500And I think that was one of the ways in which you saw it in terms of, you know, adults saying, well, we're not going to go back into the classroom until every kid is vaccinated.
00:24:05.380Every kid can't, you know, get the shot. So that's one way.
00:24:09.400But the other way, and this ties into the second part that you wrote, that you read, excuse me, is this is part of what we talk about.
00:24:23.640And I think we talked about this our first conversation when you have, you know, two men who get the eggs of one woman and then put them in two separate women so that they can create children that are related through the mom who's not part of the relationship and not by the death.
00:24:49.560But this this type of arrangement, this modern family, quote unquote, is part of that dystopian future that I'm talking about, which actually is a dystopian present where it's it's not about a child's right to have their mother and father.
00:25:07.180according to god's natural design for the family it's about um adults whether it's two men or two
00:25:15.360women uh who say that my desire to be a parent trumps their desire to have both parents that's
00:25:24.200right um and it's easy to see in the in the case of you know same-sex couples and again whether it's
00:25:31.580men or two women but even honestly uh i'm starting to see this even with some some women college
00:25:38.700educated openly mobile women who say look i want the carriage but i don't want the marriage so i'll
00:25:44.140just i'll just have a baby with a guy and i'll raise the kid by myself because that's what i
00:25:49.660want to do and you know i'm empowered and i can do whatever i want and to me that type of selfishness
00:25:54.940is really um eroding you know our society because eventually those kids yes they're cute and cuddly
00:26:03.340early on but again when you have a young man who grows up and you realize his father's nowhere to
00:26:10.580be found that has a profound effect on him and i don't care what color he is um and sometimes you
00:26:17.000know they're sort of mediating factors if you know he has extended family and a granddad and uncles
00:26:49.020And so like, so like, even when you, when you look at Hollywood and different movies and they portray, you know, like this young, you know, same sex, you know, couple or whatever.
00:26:57.360And like, but it's always in the context and the larger context on the backdrop of a, of a stable traditional family with, with grandma and grandpa, not grandma and grandma, but grandma and grandpa and this and that.
00:27:13.600And part of the only reason why this, and yeah, you know,
00:27:16.120one of the big plots in the movie is going to be like how they, you know,
00:27:18.460at first they don't really like this idea of, you know, this, this same sex,
00:27:22.080you know, marriage and blah, blah, blah. But the, and you know,
00:27:24.420and they're eventually won over and stuff, but here's the thing, like, you know,
00:27:27.960so, so the whole part of the movie is like, all right, so there's this, you know,
00:27:30.660this 21 year old girl and she falls in love with another girl, you know,
00:27:34.520and then she's introducing that girl to her family and they want to get married.
00:27:37.440They want to start, you know, modern family and all this kind of stuff. And,
00:27:40.300you know and and grandma and grandpa and mom and dad you know and all these people are slow on the
00:27:45.580uptake you know but they eventually come around and there's this love and support but but what's
00:27:49.820not discussed in the movie is that um that she has this safety net this this larger extended
00:27:56.120family safety net because the rest of her family has adhered to the traditional model of family
00:28:01.740the traditional view of family what happens 20 30 years down the line if we keep going this direction
00:28:06.860and and there is no grandma and grandpa um it's it's grandpa and grandpa who let's let's face it
00:28:13.540statistically aren't together anymore they're divorced correct statistically they're divorced
00:28:18.120and you know and then there's you know there there's you know uncle this and like there is
00:28:24.520the whole family fabric goes away so now as you're trying to have your modern family you have you
00:28:30.140don't have anything to rely on i think i think what i'm trying to say is i think part of the
00:28:34.940The only reason why this same-sex mirage has gotten as far as it has is because it's been borrowing the strength of traditional biblical marriage that surrounds it.
00:28:46.960And if it had to stand on its own two feet, it would be decimated in about 15 minutes.
00:28:52.820And that's one of the things I said in terms of, I said that leftist dogma is in a death spiral, right?
00:29:02.200So everything it touches as it relates to the value of life, sex, sexuality, marriage, and family leads to death, right?
00:29:17.780So, you know, the scriptures, obviously, you know, God commanded Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply.
00:29:23.340And that multiplication requires a male and female.
00:29:27.360That's the only combination that does it.
00:29:28.940and marriage provides the ideal context for that for for the provision and protection of women and
00:29:34.380dependent children um and again scripture declares that the value of life is inherent
00:29:40.400because of our creator but leftism is a completely counter worldview so particularly where we are
00:29:52.280right now you're talking about you know a left the left that says abortion up until birth should
00:29:58.840be law should be codified into law yeah they think toddlers can change their gender and the family
00:30:06.600structures that they that they like promoting cannot produce offspring without external
00:30:12.680assistance they can rent the eggs but they can't create the babies so where god says be fruitful
00:30:18.880and multiply they say you know be fruitless and destroy um and that's one of the things that i
00:30:23.460think you know even conservatives have to get their mind around because i think most people
00:30:29.680they say oh well it's two people it's a loving home for a child and so on and so forth but
00:30:36.420again when whenever you try to defy deny and defy god's design for the world that he created
00:30:46.960you run yourself into trouble and i've said this before i'm not sure if we talked about the first
00:30:51.620time but one of the most interesting things is that even in in that context
00:30:56.040um i have never seen and if i have it's rare to ever see two uh butch lesbian women together
00:31:09.440it is always one you know masculine looking lesbian and one feminine so even though
00:31:19.920obviously there's still two women and i know that the the the l's and the g's need sex to
00:31:26.480be real in order for for what they do to to make sense the t's say no there's no such thing as
00:31:32.240gender but it's always one masculine presenting woman and one feminine presenting woman because
00:31:39.280even in their denial of god's design there's a part of them that wants to recreate what it is
00:31:45.240that god put into this earth um and i and i find that that phenomenon fascinating well they know
00:31:53.040you're right because they still want to recognize god's design in the fabric of of his world at
00:31:57.540large they just uh it's a personal denial it's uh it doesn't it doesn't apply to me i'm an exception
00:32:03.760right and that was the original argument right the original argument with you know
00:32:08.140with homosexuality and lesbianism and all these kind of things was that people are born this way
00:32:12.980and we need to make room for them and you know it's it was the same argument as abortion right
00:32:17.780safe legal and rare right rare so it's this it's this rare kind of thing you know it's it's three
00:32:22.740percent of the population you know or less and and it's not their fault there's nothing they can do
00:32:28.140about it this wasn't a choice right that was the whole mantra it's not my choice it's not a choice
00:32:32.560you know it's not a choice this is the way i was born and now we're told that you know sexuality is
00:32:37.300fluid and you can just you know on on a whim like now you can identify as a cheetah you know and
00:32:43.060like you know i mean and so all that went out the window and we always knew it would we we knew that
00:32:48.400okay this is bogus you know um but the problem is you know we don't hold the line you know it's just
00:32:54.980like you know you say you say this is a slippery slope you know and uh if you really believe that
00:33:02.040then you know then hold the line like there was there were plenty of people saying this is going
00:33:07.100to happen you know give it 10 years give it now a lot of people i think thought it would take a
00:33:11.400little bit longer than it did it happened pretty quick but yes you know but this this is the
00:33:16.000transgenderism i said i think i said the other day on twitter i said um what did i say oh i said
00:33:21.440just as socialism is the foretaste of communism so too um egalitarianism is the foretaste of
00:33:28.000androgyny and i said aka um the the end result of feminism was always transgenderism and you know
00:33:37.660and the feminists would object to that strongly and be offended by that greatly offended by that
00:33:42.980you know um because the feminists just like the lesbian just like you know they they need they
00:33:47.980need sex biological sex to do what they do you know but um but i i think that the the end result
00:33:54.540of feminism was always going to be transgenderism people want it's like basically like people they
00:33:59.000want to rebel against god but only so far and and in the the irony is that even their rebellion
00:34:04.380even even the enjoyment the pleasure of their rebellion relies upon god's goodness and grace
00:34:10.600so it's like this idea of you know like we're constantly it's it's like we're we're constantly
00:34:17.000relying on on god's common grace uh to even to enjoy our sin you know and like how what an irony
00:34:24.420What an irony that that is, is that I don't want to submit and obey.
00:34:29.240I don't want to be subjugated to the Lordship of Christ.
00:34:32.080I want to rebel against him, but I still want all his benefits.
00:34:35.980I still want to live in his world, and I still want to be able to see his sunrise in the morning and appreciate the stars at night that he made.
00:34:44.000And I still, you know, in general, I need this, these kinds of, you know, this binary sexual thing for all this to work, you know.
00:34:50.940And then somebody comes and says, praise God for the transgender.
00:34:54.080Seriously, I feel like in God's providence, in his sovereign will, not his moral will,
00:34:59.000but his sovereign will, it's an answer to prayer.
00:35:01.320Maybe not the answer that we wanted, but it's doing the job.
00:35:04.000You know, the transgender comes in and just shows you just right down the line,
00:35:07.940Leah Thomas, hulking dude, beating girls, you know, they're crying as they're getting
00:35:12.740And it's like God's, you know, it's like God's way of saying, this is, you can't have a halfway
00:35:19.900house between heaven and hell, is what I'm saying.
00:35:24.080And that's what feminism is. That's what egalitarianism is. That's what socialism is.
00:35:29.380That's what, you know, and all these things, socialism leads to communism, you know, egalitarianism, androgyny, you know, feminism, the end result, as ironic as it may sound, is transgenderism.
00:35:40.140There is no halfway house between heaven and hell. You either have Christ or you will have chaos.
00:35:47.540Yeah. So back to you. But those are some of my thoughts on that.
00:35:49.940Yeah, I think that point is fascinating. Again, when these people try to subvert God's nature and they still end up submitting to it, and particularly on the trans side, I think of all the feminists who spent decades telling women that, you know, marriage is oppressive and that men are oppressive and, you know, you make your own money.
00:36:18.600you don't need a husband a woman needs a husband like a fish needs a bicycle
00:36:22.200and then they get to the trans issue and now you have women who've built an entire career
00:36:28.780on on womanhood saying look i've suffered sex discrimination and i'm you know i'm a
00:36:34.860i am woman hear me roar right and then here come the guys saying hey no i am woman i'm the new
00:36:40.800you know new gal on the block and all of the the feminists the pro-women you know activists
00:36:48.380not have to sit on their hands and be quiet.
00:36:51.260So I said in one of my other articles,
00:36:53.660these women, the most powerful women in the country,
00:36:55.960have finally found a group of men that they can submit to.
00:36:59.300Because when Leah Thomas speaks, right?
00:37:14.500right all of the women in in media and business um and entertainment and journalism and politics
00:37:23.560have to conform they have to call leah thomas she and caitlin jenner she they have to um so again
00:37:32.500they they it's just a matter of choosing which which man you're going to submit to that's right
00:37:37.240it's not whether but which man that is so well said delano i love that the feminists have finally
00:37:43.300found a man that they can submit to it's a transgender woman that is man that's god's
00:37:49.820irony right there yeah that's well said brother all right um so let's let's do that here's one
00:37:54.960more line that i just thought was fantastic because we already kind of hit the last one
00:37:58.340of the the straight line from the biological evolution to the political revolution to the
00:38:02.440cultural devolution um but this one was really good too you just said charles darwin would
00:38:07.740probably describe this entire agenda as artificial selection because there is nothing natural about
00:38:14.600a species that sees the death and destruction of its own young as a sign of social progress i thought
00:38:21.420that was really good because we're basically we're heading towards well i don't i don't actually
00:38:27.160think we are and we can get to that in a moment because i i think there's a lot of hope but if
00:38:31.460if left to ourselves we are heading towards the destruction of the entire human species and and
00:38:37.360that's not going to happen because praise God, there are, you know, people in other nations
00:38:41.700that haven't lost their mind. This is one of the first times where, where France, you know,
00:38:46.560we don't want, please don't export those American ideas. You know what I mean? That's crazy when
00:38:52.160Europe is saying, okay, guys, that's too far. That's crazy. You know, so most of the world is
00:38:58.060not, is not as crazy as, and America is not as crazy as parts of America, you know, are right
00:39:05.660now and i think that america is pushing back but my point is if that was though if that was the
00:39:10.620status quo and that was the direction that humanity as a whole was heading it would be
00:39:14.520absolutely as you said it would be the end of our species and it wouldn't be natural selection
00:39:18.200it would be artificial selection so you got any more thoughts on that i thought that was well
00:39:22.140written yeah absolutely and and i've thought of it this way i've done sort of like a thought
00:39:28.180exercise that if you put a hundred healthy virile men on an island right peak condition
00:39:36.720the top athletes from all the major sports leagues and then you put a hundred transgender women under
00:39:44.440the guise that trans women are women right which is so a hundred bruce jenners and then a hundred
00:39:49.880caitlin jenners is what there you go there you go in a hundred years everybody be dead that's right
00:39:56.280Not a single child will be born, and the entire experiment on that island would collapse, and it would just be wasteland.
00:40:06.160So that tells me that these people, and again, they don't have a biblical worldview.
00:40:10.360They have a Darwinian worldview, and they believe in natural selection.
00:40:15.260And that's why I said, but this is artificial selection, because you are making it so that you're sterilizing your young.
00:40:22.380And I think it's worth pointing out these things because, and I'll tie this to, you know, a larger political point, what we're talking about here, this is a civilizational issue, right?
00:40:37.660The very, I don't care what tribe, what country, what ethnicity, what language, what religion, the sole, the single most important purpose of any generation is to propagate the next generation, right?
00:40:54.260Believer or unbeliever alike, it's the same deal.
00:40:56.880But when you have some significant number of your adolescents who have been functionally sterilized, and then some other number who are confused about the way reproduction takes place, you're going to have some serious issues, right?
00:41:15.500and this is one of the things that aggravates me is that you have conservative christian
00:41:22.240commentators who will use the term the big lie to describe the former president's views on the
00:41:30.4002020 election right now you may disagree with his views which you know everybody has a right to
00:41:35.460agree or disagree but that's an election cycle issue that's you know four years will pass and
00:41:43.880nobody will think about it four years will pass and trump will be president again
00:41:47.080and he very well might maybe maybe but but what i'm saying is when you use big lie for something
00:41:53.940so small and insignificant and then turn around and if you're former president sbc
00:42:01.300say that you believe in pronoun hospitality when it comes to people who are gender confused
00:42:07.000priority is completely out of whack you are right that's that's one of my problems it's like no
00:42:13.400If you're a Christian conservative in the public square and you think that the 2020 election is a bigger issue than the confusion and perversion and destruction of our children, then you're not somebody that I can really trust.
00:42:33.620You are a bad watchman because you're looking out for the wrong enemy.
00:42:39.160and and i think that's something so so in my mind i was actually going to create a twitter poll the
00:42:44.580other day i decided against it but i'll it's just you and i talking so we'll just talk yeah just you
00:42:49.280and i and maybe a thousand people who end up watching it so be careful but i thought to myself
00:42:53.960i said i wonder which one which one of the the next two phrases the following phrases is more
00:43:01.760indicative of sort of the compromise of the conservative christian commentator
00:43:09.720pronoun hospitality or blessing of liberty when it relate as it relates to drag queen story hour
00:43:20.160right um because both of those show that the the people uttering those phrases
00:43:55.900and and potential potentially insurrectionist you know articles so we get the point but when you
00:44:03.740when you then you turn around and you go on a different publication and you nuance the issue
00:44:10.380of transgenderism to death i think believers get get you know get the message you tickle to the
00:44:16.320left and you throw haymakers to the right. And it shows what you think that the priorities are
00:44:25.360or should be as it relates to the culture and the church. And that type of leadership is not
00:44:31.160serving anyone, especially not in 2022. I completely agree. Well said. You know,
00:44:36.620I've said this before, so some of our listeners may be familiar with this, but I think there's
00:44:40.400a fine line. I may have said it to you before, but I think there's a fine line between pushing
00:44:46.180back the curse that is on nature because of the fall because of sin and then trying to push back
00:44:52.840against nature itself so i'll say there's a there's a fine line between pushing back against
00:45:00.040the curse that is on nature and pushing back against nature itself and so you know somebody
00:45:05.540cures cancer um cancer is not nature cancer happens within nature and it happens in natural
00:45:13.800causes. But we know from a biblical perspective that cancer is not nature in the sense that it
00:45:19.480is not in a line with God's good and original design. It is not pre-fall. It is not a pre-lapsarian
00:45:28.940design of God. It's a bug. It's not the feature. It's the curse that nature is under. And so,
00:45:38.040when we look at nature as Christians and really just as image bearers of the living God, believers
00:45:44.740and unbelievers alike, we should be able to fairly easily detect because of natural revelation
00:45:49.540and natural law, that's Romans 1 and Romans 2, natural law written on our hearts, we should be
00:45:54.160able to pretty easily, quickly, immediately detect what is good and what is evil, what is
00:46:01.340in line with the good, the true and the beautiful, in line with God's nature as he intends it, and
00:46:07.380what is the curse that was unintended, as it were, I think ordained by God, but unintended,
00:46:14.360the curse that is placed upon nature because of our sin. And my point is this, when you're curing
00:46:20.340cancer, you're pushing back on the curse. When you're trying to extend human lifespans, I think
00:46:25.020you are pushing back on the curse. And we can go on and on. When you're building suspension bridges,
00:46:30.540and when you're doing plumbing and running water, and all these different things, you are pushing
00:46:35.140back on the curse when you're building ships and trying to get us to mars even that it's like well
00:46:39.080that's that's fighting against nature no i i don't think it is i i i think that that's still
00:46:43.680something that god permits and i think it is commendable and all these but when you're trying
00:46:48.000to change gender you're no longer pushing back because because that right there it's what it
00:46:55.160what it is essentially saying subconsciously for the progressive is they're saying that the binary
00:47:00.460every gender system is not nature, but a curse that nature is under. Whereas we would say,
00:47:07.020no, no, no, man and woman, grab your Bible. So Genesis three, that's the fall. Genesis one and
00:47:13.440two, everything up till then, that's good. And so my point is when you push back against the curse
00:47:20.380on nature, we call that work, human work. And it comes with blood, sweat, and tears,
00:47:26.200and frustration and exasperation at times, but by God's grace for the believer and God's common
00:47:32.140grace, even for the unbeliever, we can experience progress. We can experience success as we push
00:47:37.160back against the curse upon nature. But when you push back against nature itself, that is the
00:47:44.800basic plot line of every horror movie that's ever been made. You know, that's Jurassic Park.
00:47:50.480that's you know like i mean when you push back against the you know not the curse on nature but
00:47:55.340but but nature itself nature wins nature wins and and nature wins because god wins and god has
00:48:03.560has programmed this software you know it's like you know like the matrix or whatever like this
00:48:08.360this program that we're living in god's world has been programmed in such a way that um some things
00:48:13.760you know some rules can be bent and some can be broken you know like you know like morpheus kind
00:48:17.740Like, well, yeah, some, not rules, not God's rules, but some bugs, some curses, you know, can, can, can be defeated and pushed back and you can do this and you can do that.
00:48:26.100But there are certain things that are built into the, the, just the, the hardware of the system that you try, you try to, you try to push back on those.
00:48:38.520Thank you. Yeah. I heard, you know, Doug Wilson say on his recent blog and May blog entries that nature has a nature, right?
00:48:49.000So it's one of those things where, you know, we think that we can make up new rules, but God has built order and sustainability into his creation.
00:49:03.200um and and which is which is why um you know as i as i get older and grow my faith
00:49:10.540and and i listen to the arguments from from the atheists and the secularists
00:49:15.640and they all come up short i i took my family we went to the natural history museum we live
00:49:22.820outside of dc and um i was looking at one of the exhibits and it says something to the effect of
00:49:28.880um you know after millions of years or billions of years of life
00:49:36.500um i think it was like evolution suddenly sprang forth so i said those two words don't really
00:49:45.240go together right you evolve suddenly okay so it's one of those things where sometimes if i
00:49:53.000if i were to ask the question or explain it to someone a lay person i would say
00:49:58.760looking at this created world and thinking that all of this took place from some cosmic accident
00:50:05.480with just the right mix of of um of of chemicals and matter at just the right temperature for just
00:50:14.120the right amount of time would be and thinking that from from all of that chaos you can get
00:50:20.520this this order this level of order would be like going into a house in the mountains