The NXR Podcast - March 15, 2022


THEOLOGY APPLIED - Interracial Marriage, Black Hebrew Israelites, & Dispensationalism ｜ with Kris Williams

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Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
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Gentiles Leon Matt Chandler Eric Mason Sabbath Abraham Jesus Christ Brandon Washington Margaret Sanger Ligon Duncan George Floyd Ben Shapiro Hebraic Jew Nehemiah Edomite Behold David Isaac Jacob Votie and 5 more
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In this episode of Theology applied, Pastor Joel interviews Christian rapper Chris "KDub" Williams about the Black Hebrew Israelites. Chris is a reformed member of the group and has been involved with them since their founding in the late 1980s.

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00:00:18 All right, welcome to another show of Theology Applied.
00:00:20 Today it was very privileged to have as a special guest, Chris Williams.
00:00:24 He goes by K-Dub. He is a Christian rapper.
00:00:28 he's reformed he's 1689 he said for the most part we'll take it close enough 1689 and he's done
00:00:34 a lot of great work on youtube on his youtube channel doing a lot of teaching addressing a
00:00:39 lot of heresies a lot of cults and today what we address is the black hebrew israelites which we
00:00:45 would both strongly agree is a cult and a lot of people don't know much about it and i am one of
00:00:51 those people and so chris helped me understand why it's significant why it matters and what
00:00:57 the word of God has to say on that topic. So tune in, enjoy.
00:01:03 Applying God's word to every aspect of life. This is Theology Applied.
00:01:13 All right. Welcome back. This is Pastor Joel with Right Response Ministries,
00:01:16 another episode of Theology Applied. My guest is Chris Williams, K-Dub. Some of you may know him
00:01:22 by that name. Is that correct? That's correct. All right. Introduce yourself. Thanks for coming
00:01:26 on the show yeah man uh chris some know me as kdub i'm an apologist i do christian rap as well
00:01:33 i uh you know do i got my hands in a few baskets you know as far as in the culture addressing woke
00:01:39 stuff uh hebrews are lights atheists i'm passionate about it all so yeah that's great so with with
00:01:45 apologetics are you so i love i love rc sproll big fan uh probably one of the only things i disagree
00:01:51 with Sproul on would be baptism and his classical apologetics, which I'm sympathetic towards. I
00:02:00 understand, but I would be in the presuppositional vein. Where are you at with apologetics? What's
00:02:05 kind of your approach? I'm presupp-vantillion all the way. Okay. Great, man. Good for you. 0.97
00:02:11 Cool. All right. Well, so you're using your presuppositional skills to make a defense for
00:02:18 the faith and, and not just make a defense, but really in the presuppositional vein, putting the
00:02:24 opponents on the defense. They're the ones who the burden of proof lies on them to make a reasonable
00:02:30 argument for their hostility and their disbelief. But in terms of the black Hebrew Israelites, 0.61
00:02:37 that's kind of the theme of our episode today. What, what are some of the things I'm not really
00:02:42 familiar with this particular cult. I know enough to call it a cult because people that I trust
00:02:48 have labeled it as such, but what are some of the things that they deny in terms of
00:02:52 core Christian beliefs? Man, it's quite a bit. They're probably one of the most heretical
00:03:00 groups out there. They deny salvation by Christ alone. As far as grace alone, they believe it's 0.88
00:03:10 law keeping which makes a man right before god many of them will uh they deny the deity of christ
00:03:16 therefore they deny the trinity they deny that god is many now there are variations amongst the
00:03:23 hebrew israelite so um i'm describing a particular brand which uh uh you know uh hebrew israelite
00:03:30 apologists have come to call one west hebrew israelites um they say that salvation is only
00:03:37 for israel and so only israelites can be saved so gentiles cannot be saved and they would say
00:03:43 according to the bible um and so yeah uh obviously just being a racist group so well can can a white
00:03:51 person be an israelite no white person so they legitimately like on the books they believe like
00:03:57 white people are going to hell period yeah well so they deny hell so they'll say white person is
00:04:03 going to slavery oh okay so because uh there's a specific specific text and uh revelation 0.99
00:04:10 uh what is it uh 13 10 that says if anyone is taking captive captivity if anyone is taking
00:04:20 captive to captivity he goes so since the white man uh you know took black people into captivity
00:04:26 he's got to get that payback right and so it's a very so what do they think i'd be curious to if
00:04:32 If I was talking with one of them, I'd say, so what do you think about black tribes that took captive other black people and sold them to the white man?
00:04:41 Are they going to go into captivity also? 0.99
00:04:44 So this kind of gets into their eschatology. 0.99
00:04:47 So the black people who never repented or did something like that, they will be destroyed with thermonuclear destruction. 1.00
00:04:58 Wow. 1.00
00:04:58 And so pretty much missiles are going to come.
00:05:00 Yeah, I know a lot of people hear this and be like, where did they get this from?
00:05:03 Yeah, I don't know.
00:05:05 But they claim the Bible.
00:05:07 So, yeah.
00:05:07 Yeah, wow.
00:05:08 But they, correct me if I'm wrong, but they would make a claim saying they are the true descendants of Israel. 0.96
00:05:14 That's correct. 0.97
00:05:15 From passages like Deuteronomy 28, they're very focused on that passage to show that the Israelites are Black, Hispanic, and Native Americans.
00:05:26 And they're not just saying we're the spiritual descendants, but they're saying literally, biologically.
00:05:32 Yeah, so biologically they would say that.
00:05:34 So what would they say about somebody like Ben Shapiro, somebody who is of Jewish descent?
00:05:38 Would they say that's not Israel?
00:05:41 What do they say about just the nation of Israel?
00:05:44 Oh, so here's where they would go to, right?
00:05:46 Revelation 2.9.
00:05:48 It says, I know your tribulation and your poverty, but you are rich and the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but of the synagogue of Satan. 0.82
00:05:56 and so you they're not the true jews over there right uh right they're they're the synagogue of 0.77
00:06:03 satan so the martin luther would actually agree with him on that one but but for different reasons
00:06:08 different reasons right for those jews who don't profess christ he was yeah these are synagogues
00:06:15 of satan um man wow that is a interesting that's a bold a bold claim it's funny you know so i you 0.75
00:06:24 know kind of being a little bit frank it's funny because it's like racism is is racism is such a
00:06:30 hot topic issue in our world today um and you know anti-semitic you know rhetoric and those
00:06:36 kinds of things which i mean it obviously sounds like black hebrew israelites would fall into that
00:06:41 category um but it correct me if i'm wrong but it seems like like if if a if a group of white
00:06:48 people were saying this about ethnic jews we'd hear it on the news for weeks and weeks and weeks
00:06:54 do you think do they i'll just frankly ask my question do they get away with some of the racial
00:06:59 language because they're black what do you think i do think they get away with a lot of uh racial
00:07:06 epitaphs they use i mean like you said if if anyone was if any person of white you know kind
00:07:13 of on that borderline was screaming the things they were saying oh yeah it would be front page
00:07:17 news and they would be you know warned against right probably in jail for a lot of things they
00:07:23 say but yeah they do get a lot of weight with a lot of a lot of stuff yeah yeah so okay so i don't
00:07:29 remember the guy's name but um just recently and this is a story that the legacy media has
00:07:34 quickly buried i think it was in the news for a day you know and and barely um and then quickly
00:07:39 was suppressed and then other conservative outlets have picked it up and and done it some service but
00:07:43 i can't remember the guy's name but um he was basically made an attempt and it has it's still
00:07:49 alleged it hasn't been you know um completely proven yet he's gonna have to go to court and
00:07:53 be tried and all those kind of things and and god bless that he deserves his day in court
00:07:56 but uh basically it was a murder attempt on a democrat um i believe a democrat nominee
00:08:03 um for i think for mayor uh somebody who was running to be mayor and he but but a democrat
00:08:10 um and he basically attempted to murder them that allegedly that's the story um but it was a young
00:08:18 black man and uh from some of the conservative news cycles that i found he was he's not a black
00:08:24 hebrew israelite but he was a part of something else some judah or lion the lions do you know 0.79
00:08:30 what i'm talking about have you heard of this group they're similar yeah den of life there's
00:08:36 they have there's so many camps and sex and then there's like so many variations it wouldn't
00:08:42 surprise me because there have been stories where um black hebrew israelites people who are involved
00:08:47 in the camps um and by the way they don't like that term they they say it's redundant right
00:08:52 black hebrews are like they say oh yeah you know so they don't like that term but that's what they
00:08:57 recall in the early 90s even by but anyways there have been stories of um black hebrews 0.78
00:09:02 that have murdered people and there's been some i mean you know talk about the women involved and
00:09:08 like the husband has murdered the wife or done something crazy there are some pretty vicious
00:09:12 stories right well what was interesting about this story and i wish i had researched it a
00:09:16 little bit more before we started recording but what was interesting was basically that that um
00:09:20 that the democrat nominee who whose life was in jeopardy that he was attempting to murder
00:09:27 um was a jew and so that that's why i bring it up was to say that it seems like this guy
00:09:33 you know they you know it's funny that you know they're like well we don't know what ideology he
00:09:38 had but like but just the recent weeks of his you know his social media posts were all very much
00:09:44 you know um praising and glorifying this this very similar group to the black hebrew israelites and 0.53
00:09:51 it's like um yeah it's like tribe of lions or or a lion tribe or something like that um judah's
00:10:00 lion something like that but anyways uh so very similar ideology very similar beliefs of the black
00:10:05 hebrew israelites and and then he makes an assassination attempt on a jew you know yeah
00:10:11 they they really hate the jews that's what it seems like they hate asians and this may surprise 0.89
00:10:17 you they hate africans really why why do they hate africans you ask i'm glad because those are
00:10:24 the ones that are getting confused with the true israelites right like we're not if you it's it's
00:10:29 amazing you'll be on there'll be like a there's been there's videos of this like on youtube of
00:10:33 like an african coming up they found out the guy's an african and they're like just as racist to him
00:10:39 as a white person, right? Because, you know, we're not African descent. We come from the
00:10:44 most highs, you know, bloodline. We're not no dirty African. They'll say things like that,
00:10:49 which is, man, just very racist in his soul.
00:10:53 That's pretty bad. Okay. So thinking theologically for a moment, Black Hebrew Israelites, would they
00:11:01 be in like a dispensational kind of vein? So when I think of dispensationalism, I think of two 0.95
00:11:06 tracks, right? That ethnic Israel, national Israel is still in full effect today. God still has a 0.86
00:11:14 covenant with Israel. There are certain land promises, physical promises that are still yet
00:11:18 to be fulfilled and will be fulfilled for Israel. Now, that's not my disposition. That's not where
00:11:23 I'm at. I would hold to a 1689 federalism, a Reformed Baptist covenantalism. So I'm going to
00:11:30 look and i'm going to say that um that the church is true israel right and and uh right and and i
00:11:36 you know i i think it's interesting because the black hebrew israelite saying well we're we're
00:11:41 true israel but they're not saying like we already discussed they're not saying black people have
00:11:45 have replaced israel they're saying no no no we we always were israel and and these guys are 0.86
00:11:51 imposters ethnic israel ben shapiro you know these guys are imposters they're pretend like we can
00:11:57 trace our bloodline we we're not saying this is a spiritual uh inheritance but but literally we 0.60
00:12:03 are biologically israel always were um so so we're like would would they be covenantal or would they
00:12:10 be dispensational because the dispensational person is going to say nobody's replaced israel
00:12:14 there's israel and then the church has come alongside israel and so there's promises to
00:12:18 the church and there are promises to israel spiritual promises to the church uh physical
00:12:23 promises to Israel and all those of ethnic Israel are welcome through faith to join the church and
00:12:28 receive those spiritual promises in addition to these land promises. But basically it's this
00:12:33 parentheses that all of a sudden we're in this pause moment in the last days. But Jesus is going
00:12:41 to come back and he's going to inaugurate his millennial kingdom here on earth. And he's
00:12:46 literally going to rule from the throne of David, and Israel, ethnic Israel, is going to inherit 0.79
00:12:53 certain physical promises. Whereas I would say, no, the church has replaced Israel. Replacement 0.83
00:12:59 theology, just for the record, is really a derogatory term that dispensationalists came up
00:13:04 with. I would look at it more as fulfillment theology, or it's really just covenant theology.
00:13:09 But Israel is kind of like the scaffolding that was working alongside building a temple as
00:13:16 unto the Lord. And like, you know, Ephesians chapter four, the living temple built with
00:13:22 living stones and Israel, God used Israel, this Jewish root, this Jewish foundation to build
00:13:29 the temple. The foundation being the apostles and prophets and Christ himself being the cornerstone.
00:13:36 And when the work was finished in the life and death and resurrection of Christ and the outpouring
00:13:41 of the Spirit at Pentecost, all of ethnic Israel was invited to come and join the church,
00:13:46 to come inside.
00:13:47 Let's take down the scaffolding.
00:13:48 We don't need it anymore.
00:13:49 But I look at the dispensationalists and say, no, these are two buildings.
00:13:53 The scaffolding is actually its own building.
00:13:55 And then there's the temple.
00:13:57 And I would say, no, no, no, no, it's just the temple.
00:13:59 That's just scaffolding.
00:14:00 They're like, no, that's the Eiffel Tower.
00:14:01 That's a beautiful monument.
00:14:04 No, that's just poles and boards and wood.
00:14:07 That was literally just the scaffolding. 0.80
00:14:09 And so anyway, so I'm saying replaced, and the word I would use is fulfilled, that Israel was fulfilled in the church, in the church. 0.98
00:14:18 But for the black Hebrew Israelite, it sounds like they're like, well, they're not dispensationalists, but it sounds like they're like all the very worst parts about dispensation. 0.90
00:14:27 Like they would say that there are still physical land promises, and national Israel is still a thing and still in covenant with the Lord, and nobody, there is no second. 0.90
00:14:36 so dispensationalist two buildings covenant theology is all into one building and for them
00:14:41 it would be one building but it's still israel and everybody else is yeah just think like
00:14:46 dispensationalism like hyperize because it's only like you said there is no church concept
00:14:52 in the black hebrews like it's only israelites um at least to those who um because there are
00:14:59 some hebrew israelites who have a uh hierarchy so they'll say well no gentiles can be saved
00:15:05 but they got to come under an israelite so for those it would be a more kind of dispensation
00:15:11 but for the most part it's a hyper hyper dispensationalized yeah they want to see uh
00:15:18 you know those land promises the temple promises all being literalized and it's and and what you'll
00:15:24 really find when you have conversations with them they have no idea they don't like the concept of
00:15:28 apostolic interpretation. So, right. Paul uses a text. He kind of has this apostolic interpretation
00:15:34 of that passage. They'll say, no, we cannot go with that view. We got to go back to the old
00:15:39 Testament. Right. And see that. So it's, it's the old Testament is the lens of what you are to see 0.95
00:15:44 all these things, you know, carry it out. So no kind of progressive revelation. So, so that's
00:15:50 what you're going to get when dealing with black keywords. So they're saying the, yeah, that's the 0.92
00:15:54 opposite of what we would say. Cause we would say, you know, start with the new Testament. That's,
00:15:57 you know, shedding light on the Old Testament.
00:15:59 They're not pitted against one another.
00:16:02 There's a perfect unity to the Old and the New Testament.
00:16:05 But I can't remember what theologian it was,
00:16:08 but he said the Old Testament is like a richly furnished room,
00:16:11 but the lighting is dim.
00:16:13 And Christ, especially in the apostolic writings,
00:16:16 is the light that, you know, reveals the richness of this room.
00:16:21 And so we would look at the New Testament in order to understand more fully
00:16:25 the promises and the messianic prophecies in the old, but it sounds like, you know, like you said,
00:16:30 progressive revelation, but for them, correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like they think that
00:16:34 the revelation was clearest in the beginning and has gotten muddier along the way.
00:16:40 In some sense, yeah, that's fundamentally what they would argue.
00:16:45 Well, what do they do for worship? Are there black Hebrew Israelite churches? Do they gather
00:16:50 together for worship so so they call them camps uh that's like their version of denominations 0.99
00:16:56 right and there's not much when whenever i see like a service of black the black hebrew is like
00:17:02 it's the worship aspect is not there it's it's it's a lot of teaching um a lot of uh bible memory
00:17:10 stuff but as far as like worship rarely done especially in the one west variety of uh camps
00:17:19 And so, yeah, that's the sad part.
00:17:21 Do they gather on Sundays?
00:17:24 No, that's right.
00:17:26 They're Sabbatarians. 0.94
00:17:28 So Friday or Saturday. 1.00
00:17:31 Gotcha.
00:17:32 Like Friday evening.
00:17:33 Yeah.
00:17:33 So it'd be Friday evening or Saturday during the day.
00:17:35 So kind of like a Seventh-day Adventist. 0.96
00:17:38 Correct.
00:17:39 Which, for the record, I would be a Sabbatarian.
00:17:42 Any Westminster 1689 is.
00:17:44 But we would say that Christ, who is Lord of the Sabbath,
00:17:47 did not remove the Sabbath, but rather renewed the Sabbath
00:17:49 by virtue of his resurrection from the last day of the week to the first.
00:17:54 But they would, again, that makes sense with them not believing
00:17:57 in progressive revelation, but it sounds like they believe
00:17:59 in regressive revelation.
00:18:00 It gets dimmer as you go further.
00:18:01 They would want an old covenant view of the Sabbath.
00:18:04 Yeah, so they're going to go back to Saturday, last day of the week.
00:18:07 Okay, so is this a large cult? 0.84
00:18:11 Are there a lot of black Hebrew Israelites?
00:18:14 Yes.
00:18:15 Really?
00:18:17 So it's kind of very it's very hard to determine their numbers because they don't do anything like church membership where they pin down how many people are at their church.
00:18:25 So so at best, we have to conclude. And I would say and this is me lowballing, I would say just and this is based off like, you know, YouTube numbers, YouTube, like, you know, so at at me lowballing, I would probably say in America alone, it's at least one million black people is the light.
00:18:44 Wow. And that's just in America, because there are some that are there in places like UK, Ghana, even Africa. Some Black Hebrew Israelites are rising, even Canada and outside of the States.
00:19:01 Wow. So they're like the same size as the SBC. The SBC says that they have 15 million, but only 1 million show up on Sundays. 1.00
00:19:07 So Black Hebrew Israelites and SBC, same size. Wow. 0.96
00:19:11 That's funny. You do have like some, you know, Israelites, quote unquote, that, you know, they just watch the YouTube videos, but they don't, they don't do any, they don't go to camp. They don't do anything. You just, or they're in jail, you know, or something like that. 0.97
00:19:27 Yeah. So does, does it tend, you know, with, with, you know, I know you were saying it kind of, you know, tongue in cheek, but does it, does it tend to be a violent group?
00:19:34 oh yes there's plenty of videos of of them uh starting fights uh punching people out just right
00:19:44 at camp and and they'll and they'll praise god for it right there um you know they have a phrase
00:19:50 when like whenever something humiliating happens to a white man they'll say kwam yasharala and what
00:19:55 that means is rise israel right um they're they're saying like pretty much praise god for this and
00:20:01 There's videos of people getting punched out on the street. I've been on the streets where they've gotten aggressive, right? I've never been assaulted out there, but you can tell if they thought they would get away with it, they probably would, you know? And so plenty of videos like that online. 0.70
00:20:17 Wow. So a little bit earlier, going back about seven, eight minutes or so, you said that a white person, you said earlier that there was no hope. You're not going to go to hell, but you're going to go to captivity, and you cited Revelation. But then you said that a white person could come under one of them. Can you explain that a little bit?
00:20:38 Yes. Yes. So so it depends on the camp. So there are some camps who say, no, a white person can't come under.
00:20:45 But there are some camps who who will say, no, Israel. And they'll actually have a more biblical.
00:20:51 It's still sub biblical, but it's it's more biblical than biblical than the Israelite only camps, because they'll say, look, no, the stranger was allowed even in the old covenant to come under.
00:21:00 And so they'll so even then you see a problem with the old covenant, actually, their view of like being grafted in under the right. 0.94
00:21:07 So a Gentile, the only way they could be under this, if they actually did come under, and there was a kind of hierarchy in that sense, but they'll strictly have that. 0.83
00:21:17 They don't have a new covenant view of salvation in large, you know, Galatians 3.28, things like that. 1.00
00:21:24 All of them will deny.
00:21:26 So that's where they do stay in a unison. 0.99
00:21:29 Israel is greater in that sense. 0.97
00:21:32 Gotcha.
00:21:32 So, I mean, for us, as, you know, covenantal and new covenant, you know, New Testament Christians, we would say we would have, you know, we would not be arrogant.
00:21:43 So I think of like Romans 11, where it says, but you do not, do not be presumptuous.
00:21:47 Don't be arrogant.
00:21:48 You know, if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you. 0.99
00:21:51 And, you know, so Israel was cut off a partial hardening for a time so that you, the Gentiles, might be grafted in a wild olive shoot being grafted in. 0.99
00:22:02 but grafted into what? It's grafted into this Jewish root. And he says, don't be arrogant. 0.94
00:22:09 It is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. So Gentiles, I believe that 0.99
00:22:15 orthodox, covenantal, New Testament Christian Gentiles, we acknowledge that, yeah, this is
00:22:22 something that God built. It was always his intent. So we believe God is the same yesterday,
00:22:27 today, and forevermore. Behold, I am the Lord, I changeth not. So I don't think that God
00:22:32 repented. I know that there are texts that use that, like Genesis 6, but not in the way
00:22:37 that we repent. We use the clearer verses in Scripture to understand the ones that are more
00:22:41 obscure. And the Bible says, God is not a man that he should change his mind. So it was always
00:22:47 God's plan. We believe that there was a covenant, even before the foundations of the world were
00:22:51 laid, what we would call the covenant of redemption between the Father and the Son by the Holy Spirit
00:22:56 to give him a people for himself to be his bride that he would purify by his blood that they would
00:23:02 be pure and spotless and presented back to the father in splendor and glory and so the church
00:23:07 has always been God's plan and as we saw that the seed of Abraham through this seed all the nations
00:23:13 would be saved would be blessed and so we know this was always God's plan and yet it still is
00:23:18 significant to say yeah it was always God's plan to save from among every tribe tongue and language
00:23:24 but he did it through israel he did it through israel so don't get arrogant right so it's it's
00:23:30 always been about the nations not just israel that's always been his plan and yet we should
00:23:34 not be arrogant it is the root that supports you and not and and eventually i believe that that
00:23:39 israel will be grafted back in and paul says like if they're cut cutting off meant meant your
00:23:45 salvation then what will their rejoining be you know grafted back in but life from the dead that 0.90
00:23:51 it'll be even better that Israel coming back won't be bad for the Gentiles, but it'll be even better 0.71
00:23:56 for Israel and Gentiles alike. So all that being said, you know, this Jewish root, yes, we want to
00:24:03 honor what God has done through the prophets, through our spiritual fathers, the patriarch of
00:24:11 Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all these things matter. And so there is a sense in which Gentiles, 0.56
00:24:18 we are receiving a Jewish salvation by virtue of our faith in Christ. But the idea of coming under, 0.98
00:24:29 for us, it's all doctrinally, it's clearly articulated. How do we gain entrance? How do
00:24:35 we come in? Well, we come in by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, because
00:24:39 Christ is the ultimate seed of the woman. Christ is the most Jewish Jew who ever lived. He is the
00:24:47 seed of abraham he is the promised son and through faith in him um we're israel i i am true israel
00:24:57 um right but but with black hebrew israelites i'm wondering um how what is the process how does
00:25:04 somebody come come in is it just is it through because for us it's through faith it's by grace
00:25:09 alone through faith alone um and and then we would say yeah and to be a part of the church
00:25:13 there are some core Christian doctrines you have to believe, but, but with, you know,
00:25:17 if a white person wanted to come into a particular camp that allowed for that within the black
00:25:21 Hebrew Israelite tribe, would, would they have to pay penance? Would they have to, you know, 0.76
00:25:26 like, what would that look like? This, this is actually a good question, maybe more so than you
00:25:31 even know, because how does one become an Israelite, right? Well, fundamentally it's through
00:25:36 the bloodline um and they will say that's through your father so if so oftentimes they'll be preaching
00:25:44 out in the street and someone will come up okay i want to be a part well who's your father uh what
00:25:49 was he a so-called black man they'll say that so-called right because they don't believe he
00:25:53 really was so-called black man and so if your father is a is an israelite so-called black man
00:25:59 then you can be one but let's say you have a person who's mixed right there it's a young lady
00:26:05 comes up wants to be a part but her father was a white man so-called white man then that person
00:26:10 even though their mother was black that person would not be allowed to be an israelite fundamentally
00:26:15 for those who say israelite only right now for those who say israelites uh or gentiles can come
00:26:22 under like the sojourner yeah yeah they would just have a more subordinate view they cannot
00:26:27 be a teacher they just kind of are the they can kind of be around the the the camp but they they
00:26:34 they will not be allowed to teach an Israelite. Gotcha. All right. Well, what are, what are some 0.78
00:26:39 other thoughts that you might have? What is, you know, I've, I've been asking questions, but I,
00:26:42 again, this is novel to me and I'm not well studied on this particular, uh, Colt, what,
00:26:49 what are some things that as, as you've done videos, I know that you've done a lot of teaching
00:26:53 on this and engage with different people. What are, what are some of the, um, the common themes
00:26:59 or concepts that that arise um a common thing that arise what man it's it's quite a few um
00:27:08 because all of them try to say oh we're not we're not hateful like them but as the more you talk
00:27:14 it's like well wow uh yeah you are um since we were just describing um you know how you're
00:27:22 in israelized by your father this is actually fundamental to why they deny the virgin birth
00:27:26 um because uh or yeah they deny the virgin birth because jesus had to have a physical father to be
00:27:34 an israelite right and so they deny the virgin birth um this this might be just interesting uh
00:27:41 to because someone may be like okay but how do they get up how do they get that the white man
00:27:46 is not an israelite and they are they'll well they they'll uh say uh esau is described in the bible as
00:27:55 uh being ruddy and they'll say ruddy means red and who does that fit the white man right he
00:28:01 matter of fact he could be called the red man but david was also described as being ruddy
00:28:06 so they'll that that is very true and this is where they're not very consistent because
00:28:11 you'll you'll bring that up and they'll say well ruddy means beautiful right there not
00:28:15 not actually red so so they're very inconsistent so esau is the is the prototypical white man right
00:28:22 He is the, that's why they may call, you may hear them saying, Edomite is the white man.
00:28:30 And so, right?
00:28:31 And what does the Bible say about Esau?
00:28:34 God hates Esau.
00:28:36 So God is actually the racist. 1.00
00:28:39 He hates white people. 0.99
00:28:40 That's their, obviously, I don't believe that. 0.99
00:28:42 That's their hermeneutic, and that's what they'll teach.
00:28:45 So that's interesting.
00:28:46 I get that.
00:28:48 i obviously think it's ridiculous but i i understand the ridiculousness of it but it's
00:28:53 it's just interesting that you know because jacob and esau share the same father and it
00:28:57 sounds like that's such a big emphasis is who who's your dad right you know you you would think
00:29:03 yeah they're not real consistent on like wait i thought you are who you are by your father well
00:29:09 then that would make esau an israelite and right there's so many different answers to this dilemma
00:29:14 like you're actually bringing up one dilemma yeah to that well that so that raises another
00:29:19 question for me um what do they think about people who they they would acknowledge this person
00:29:25 is of black hebrew israelite descent uh this is a true descendant but the person is not um
00:29:34 they're not they don't believe the doctrine they're not they're not a part of their their
00:29:39 group what happens to those people is it all just blood or or do you have to do you have to be of
00:29:44 of a particular line lineage but also professing certain doctrine yeah so it would be blood and
00:29:53 belief but so like so like someone like me right they would call me a jake they'll say you're not
00:29:59 jacob yet right you're you're just a jake so you haven't woke up yet to who you are and so um
00:30:06 yeah so if from their from their position right if i don't repent and return to to my true heritage 0.66
00:30:13 i'll be cut off right they'll say they'll go to this passage in revelation that talks about two
00:30:17 thirds to be cut off um and they'll say some of that will be our own people who will be cut off
00:30:23 from the nation and they'll receive destruction as well interesting yeah so so here's another 0.99
00:30:28 question i have when all the black lives matter stuff was going down and and the whole world
00:30:33 you know because woke i you know i was i was a part of acts 29 when eric mason wrote uh woke
00:30:39 Church and Ligon Duncan, you know, and Eric Mason was on the board with Matt Chandler. And I left
00:30:45 in 2018 because of, well, a few things, but that was one of the biggest things was just seeing
00:30:50 the network and the direction it was heading with critical race theory and these kinds of things.
00:30:54 And just, you know, diversity councils. And even on the board, it's like, we have to have the right
00:30:59 percentage of skin pigment, not diversity of thought. We don't want that, but, you know,
00:31:02 diversity of skin and, you know, all these kinds of things. I remember they had the BD Antibio and
00:31:07 And they had Eric Mason. Thibidi wasn't a part of actually, but he was a guest speaker at a conference and Leon's Crump and Brandon Washington and all these guys.
00:31:14 And Chandler was kind of hosting a panel with these guys. And and they were just completely hook, line and sinker.
00:31:22 All of the critical race theory rhetoric. Leon's even, you know, he didn't use the phrase because it wasn't popularized yet at that time, but was exactly articulating this this idea of ethnic exploitation.
00:31:35 because Chandler asked, all right, well, how do we solve the problem?
00:31:38 You guys have all been oppressed and we want to make it right.
00:31:41 You know, what do we do?
00:31:42 And are there some good books we could read?
00:31:45 And, you know, and Leon's crump, his response was, 1.00
00:31:48 we'll see that right there is that's what we call the numinous Negro, right? 1.00
00:31:51 Like the green mile. 1.00
00:31:52 There's always some magical, you know, black man that the white people expect 0.57
00:31:55 to fix all their problems, you know, and like you get on Google, 0.56
00:31:58 you find a book.
00:31:59 And I was like, man, like, and, and I realize now,
00:32:02 like what he was saying was because because the the the first part of the panel was you know
00:32:07 there's a problem you need to recognize your privilege uh you need to do your anti-racist
00:32:11 homework you you are racist by virtue of your skin by being a part of the dominant hegemony 0.63
00:32:16 uh you know you are uh racist unless there's no such thing as not being racist you can only be 0.99
00:32:22 racist we're anti-racist to be anti-racist you're you're someone who is identifying racism in 0.63
00:32:27 yourself and in in the the hegemony and calling it out and speaking truth to power and to do that
00:32:33 you need to be informed but to be informed um you you have like gray scale lenses right you can't 0.61
00:32:39 see reds and blues and purples and violets like you uh because of privilege by being white um
00:32:46 there's just certain things that you can't see so you need a person of color to help you and so
00:32:51 that's basically the panel that's the way that we had gone and they weren't using all the same
00:32:55 language of like kimberly crenshaw and all this kind of stuff uh robin d'angelo you know and but
00:32:59 but that's exactly what it was and so then chandler was basically just saying okay like uh so uh we
00:33:05 need people of color to to help us to see our own privilege so that we can identify uh our racism in
00:33:11 ourself and in the larger uh dominant group that we belong to so that we can uh be advocates you
00:33:16 know and allies for our our minority brothers and sisters so uh where where are some good lenses
00:33:22 Where can I find some good glasses, you know, some good books written by people of color that can call attention to some of these things, help me see it. 0.95
00:33:29 And then even then, you know, the response is, well, basically, you know, what Leon says, you know, numinous Negro. 0.54
00:33:34 But what he's basically saying is, well, that's ethnic exploitation.
00:33:38 So it's, you know, there's no win scenario, right?
00:33:40 So it's like you're racist because you're not helping.
00:33:43 But to be not racist, you've got to be anti-racist.
00:33:47 You've got to help.
00:33:47 But you can't help because you can't see.
00:33:50 So you've got to partner with someone who can see.
00:33:51 But if you partner with someone who can see, a.k.a. the only people who can see, people of color, then you're just using them to posture yourself as a good white. 1.00
00:33:59 So that's ethnic exploitation. 0.97
00:34:01 So you're racist. 0.58
00:34:02 And if you try to do what we say, you'll still always be racist.
00:34:06 So all that, you know, I was a part of that.
00:34:08 Acts 29, all this kind of stuff is happening.
00:34:09 I leave the movement.
00:34:10 I'm just start to get just, I believe, righteously angry about what I see is very, very divisive.
00:34:17 It wasn't uniting anybody.
00:34:18 It was just completely dividing churches, denominations, all this kind of stuff.
00:34:23 So my question, back to the black Hebrew Israelites, is throughout the midst of Black Lives Matter and the protests and George Floyd and all this kind of stuff, I can guess, but I'd like to hear from you, were they eating that up?
00:34:36 Did they love it? 0.74
00:34:37 Or were they like, no, no, no, no, we actually don't support this?
00:34:39 Where would the black Hebrew Israelite be with BLM, things like that?
00:34:44 so i i think it more so benefited the black hebrews lights more so than the black hebrews
00:34:52 lights like supporting blm okay ultimately they'd be like well blm is just apostate right and just
00:34:59 crazy like they will say some sometimes they'll say some things like yeah i actually agree with
00:35:03 what you're saying right there you know so i mean broken clock right right so um you know so
00:35:09 but a lot of the you know stuff you're talking about right now about just like you know
00:35:14 racism is everywhere some of that stuff i first heard from the black heber israelites right and
00:35:20 for me it was wild to hear a lot of stuff that i'm like you know you hear x29 saying comfortably
00:35:26 now i was like man the black heber is like saying the same thing you know it's like for me i i thought
00:35:30 i was i don't i'm like man did i did i fall asleep and just wake up 30 years later and
00:35:35 black heber is like to take over that right for me that's how it all right all began you know and
00:35:40 so um but no they they would not be with uh blm but they'll say similar things uh right that the 0.62
00:35:47 the cops are a racist slave patrol stuff like that right uh matter of fact one of their constant
00:35:53 complaints because a lot of them grew up in christian circles right ex-christians right you
00:35:58 know what i mean by that not really theologically but right yeah um you know they they they left the
00:36:03 church and one of their some of their biggest clank uh you know uh complaints is that it was
00:36:08 too white um you know and things like that and so pretty pretty much you know what a lot of
00:36:15 what people are saying and so i just think that's ironic you know it is ironic it's funny man i've
00:36:21 seen some videos where guys who you know they'll like take like somebody who's you know and it's 0.65
00:36:26 a sketch it's not it's not real but like you know like some swastika flying you know nazi 0.69
00:36:32 white supremacist you know is a character and then like some uber woke you know black lives
00:36:37 matter guy and uh and and and find all the the things that they agree on they're like well
00:36:42 schools should be segregated it's like i agree right and it's just it's just funny how you know
00:36:48 like like extreme you know extreme progressive you know political views how how in the name of
00:36:57 of defeating racism you know how how racist you know they've turned out to be and so it it doesn't
00:37:03 surprised me at all that you know that like uh sometimes it's like you find somebody that you
00:37:07 never thought you would agree with and it's like yeah i we're saying the same thing on this one
00:37:13 point right on this one point we're teamed up so yeah they're they're heavily segregationist and
00:37:18 you know they think that would you know solve a lot of issues um you know obviously they hate
00:37:25 interracial marriage oh yeah i bet things like that right um even though you go to the bible
00:37:31 you're like wait a minute moses had a had a uh right wife from another nation you know and the
00:37:36 the best answer i've sometimes you hear some funny answers like you just like you just got
00:37:41 to keep them in your pocket forever you know they're like well that was a special moment you
00:37:44 know someone said that to me once i thought that was pretty hilarious yeah so yeah no i i can see
00:37:50 that and it's you know it's funny like nobody would actually come out on record and say it but
00:37:54 I remember thinking like some of these woke guys, even, you know, in evangelicalism, I
00:38:00 know, I know for a fact, if I could sit them down, strap them to a chair, give them some
00:38:05 true serum and hear what they really thought, I don't think that they would be a fan of 0.70
00:38:10 interracial marriage because it's all about, you know, it's all about your identity coming
00:38:16 from your ethnicity and what you don't want to, you don't want to water that down.
00:38:20 You don't want to lose that.
00:38:21 You don't want to mix that, you know?
00:38:22 and so yeah which is yeah the sad part is the sad part is back when they weren't racist a lot of
00:38:29 those guys or a lot of those guys are in or in in interracial marriages this is like it wasn't an
00:38:36 issue back when they weren't racist you know i mean but now now that they've actually become
00:38:40 racist right in the biblical sense it's an issue you know and it's like man i don't know how they
00:38:45 sleep at night you know like i bet they really struggle and they're probably in some some
00:38:49 depression going through all that i completely agree and that's you know like when i think of
00:38:54 like revelation you know i think it's chapter five and multiple places throughout the scripture
00:38:58 that you know the nations will be christ's inheritance and god is saving from among every
00:39:02 tribe tongue and nation we in our specific moment in in history that we live in and the things that
00:39:08 become so popularized and so dominant these certain ideologies we immediately think of ethnicity when
00:39:15 we think every tribe tongue and nation but the reality is that that you know nations like um
00:39:21 ethnos you know like yeah we can get the word ethnicity from it but but nations are are groups
00:39:26 of people and often um nations have the same skin pigment as another nation but what makes them a
00:39:32 sovereign nation is is not what they look like it's not their physical appearance or their skin
00:39:38 color it's it's their ideologies it's their faith it's their uh their polity and forms of government
00:39:43 It's their traditions, their culture.
00:39:46 There's all these other things that makes a group of people distinct from other groups of people.
00:39:51 And I just feel like ethnicity is so low on the scale when it comes to diversity, because God is a God who loves diversity.
00:39:58 But when I think of diversity, you just hear that word diversity immediately.
00:40:01 You think race or LGBT, LMNOP, you know, it's either, you know, sexual something or ethnicity something.
00:40:11 but it's like diversity is so so much more than that there are there i mean in africa there are
00:40:16 multiple different nations where where people look very similar similar skin pick and in europe
00:40:22 multiple different nations right it's like well you're white well no technically i'm scottish or
00:40:26 no i'm actually irish or i'm like no you're white you know it's like well it's like but but the yeah
00:40:32 i may be white but but there are some rich cultures and traditions and and things depending
00:40:37 on which nation i'm a part of and we've just so truncated diversity in the nations every tribe
00:40:43 and tongue and i mean even that tongue languages there are different languages with people who may 0.61
00:40:49 have the same skin pigment but but speak in a whole nother way and so but we've just boiled
00:40:54 it all down to this issue that's a good point man i and and it's why i hate the term i mean i use it
00:41:00 just for cultural you know relevancy but i hate the term black and white because it actually
00:41:06 doesn't tell me anything about you other than your skin color right um i remember when i when
00:41:11 i met a met a guy a black guy he was from france and for the longest time i thought he was i mean
00:41:16 he had the he had the accent like one everything but he was black and i was like no way you know 0.83
00:41:23 it was really just showing my cultural ignorance right about like like you said like man you can 0.78
00:41:28 be you can you can be black and speak a total another language and be totally different from
00:41:33 I mean, because of where you lived and grew up, but we reduce people just to skin color.
00:41:38 It really just shows how fascinated we are with people's skin these days.
00:41:43 It's really sad. 0.76
00:41:44 Yeah, no, it's become, it's idolatry.
00:41:47 It's absolutely become idolatry.
00:41:49 One other, this is a random thought I've never shared on any of our shows before, but I'll
00:41:54 share it with you.
00:41:55 So in terms of, you know, like inner, you know, we're talking about interracial marriage,
00:41:59 taking that back to dispensationalism 0.93
00:42:02 which I would deny
00:42:04 I would not be in that camp
00:42:06 theologically, but I do wonder
00:42:08 if there really are two separate tracks
00:42:09 there's the church and there's Israel
00:42:11 ethnic Israel
00:42:13 I sometimes wonder
00:42:15 like a Native American 1.00
00:42:16 you can do certain tests 1.00
00:42:19 and you have to prove descent
00:42:21 you have to prove your heritage
00:42:24 and if you're at least
00:42:25 a minimum of 1 16th Cherokee
00:42:28 you know um you know cherokee uh indian then then there are certain scholarships and and certain
00:42:35 you know privileges and things like that you know that might be available to you but you have to 0.96
00:42:39 actually prove my point is if you intermarry for too many generations and the blood the blood gets 0.94
00:42:47 mixed too much um then it's like all right well like we're all like 100th cherokee by this point
00:42:54 because we've all, you know, like, you know, generations go by.
00:42:56 That's eventually what happens.
00:42:59 So I have wondered for our dispensational, you know, brothers and sisters,
00:43:02 I wonder, like, what percentage of Israelite blood will they have to be
00:43:08 to inherit the spiritual promises of the Old Testament that they don't?
00:43:12 Yeah, you know what I mean?
00:43:13 And if Jesus, I mean, it makes sense that if you're dispensational,
00:43:16 you would be premillennial because Jesus better show up soon.
00:43:19 It's already been 2,000 years. 0.98
00:43:22 Interracial marriage, if that continues much longer, 0.99
00:43:24 and jesus doesn't show up soon then there's not going to be any ethnic israel left we're all going 0.86
00:43:28 to be you know one one thousandth you know so i just even practically biologically when i it just
00:43:35 some some of these things including dispensationalism i'm certainly not going to
00:43:39 put in the same camp as you know black hebrew israelites but but all those things that just
00:43:44 emphasize so much race ethnicity i mean when you practically think about it and the way it plays
00:43:51 out um it's it's not it doesn't go anywhere good like because if you emphasize ethnicity if you
00:43:58 emphasize white skin black skin or or hebrew skin you know and and you think that there are spiritual
00:44:05 there there is a spiritual dynamic that that is contingent on skin then then the natural whether 0.52
00:44:11 you ever say it articulate or not the natural thought process is that that skin that blood
00:44:17 needs to be preserved and and and so you have to turn inward rather than outward and embracing
00:44:24 people from every tribe tongue and nation and you know i've got three girls and if one of them
00:44:28 you know bring some hispanic guy home one day when she's older and the guy loves the lord then i want
00:44:32 to say praise god marry my daughter you know or black guy praise god marry my daughter um but 0.87
00:44:37 but i feel like if if race is such a you can't say that you and you you may not never come out
00:44:43 against it verbally but but with your daughter though privately in your home you probably are
00:44:48 teaching your kids no hey we don't we don't bring people home right yeah you know what i mean like
00:44:53 it's just yeah i hear you racism my point is if race is a big deal racism is the necessary wall
00:45:00 of defense to preserve the big deal of race you can't continue to emphasize race multiple
00:45:07 generations from now without dividing walls of hostility to protect the purity of of the race
00:45:14 and i feel like even with israel ethnic israel i mean again like if if ethnic israel is is coming
00:45:22 into salvation or even apart from salvation if they just are coming into the first world which
00:45:27 they are you know and and they're traveling and intermarriage and all those kind of things then
00:45:31 at a certain point it's like who who is israel you know and that was part of the vody bacham
00:45:36 had some good stuff on this back in the day just saying that like all right like i you know i am
00:45:41 for israel's right to defend itself um you know the iron dome and all this amen i completely
00:45:47 support that israel has a right to not be wiped off the face of the planet by hamas i think that's
00:45:52 insane you know like people like aoc you know like oh i wish israel couldn't defend itself you know
00:45:57 and like no they they have now that they're there they have a right to defend themselves um but 0.66
00:46:03 Votie said like, but should they have been there in the first place?
00:46:05 Is there some, is, is there really a divine claim to land?
00:46:10 Does anybody have a divine claim to land?
00:46:13 You know, and he was, he was bringing, you know, bringing those kinds of things up.
00:46:16 And, and, and then even that, I think of like, and, and who has this divine claim?
00:46:21 Like what, what is the proof?
00:46:23 I think it's either Nehemiah or maybe it's Ezra, but where, where they're going to go
00:46:28 back.
00:46:28 I think it's Cyrus who supports the king of Persia and gives provisions to send a group of Israelites back to their native land in order to restore Jerusalem and the temple.
00:46:41 But one of the things that when they find the book of the law and they realize, oh, my gosh, we've been living like apostates and we need to turn back to the Lord with prayer and fasting and observe these prescriptions of worship and the feast of booze and all these different things.
00:46:56 but another thing is they realize we we've all intermarried and they actually send the the wives
00:47:04 and children that were not of jewish descent away and there are other people who come that
00:47:09 remained back in the land who want to help with the project of rebuilding the temple
00:47:12 and they ask to see their papers like are you actually how jewish are you are you jewish um
00:47:20 like are you actually israel and so i just i'm thinking that's the biblical standard for
00:47:25 ethnic israel the nation of israel in the old testament as they're rebuilding israel wouldn't
00:47:30 that be the same standard if you are dispensationalist for rebuilding israel and
00:47:36 fulfilling these land promises wouldn't you have to and will they be able to do that
00:47:39 2 000 years from now be able to show those papers and proof and yeah i feel like there's some
00:47:44 practical problems yeah deal with the dilemmas yeah i so i just feel like people people don't
00:47:51 think about that they don't and and again all of it stems from making ethnicity making it the most
00:47:57 important thing in the world and it's just yeah it's just not let me let me let me bring this up
00:48:02 because someone you know may hear this conversation and be like well just just in regards to the
00:48:07 hebrew israelites and be like there's so many texts that talk about gentiles being saved like
00:48:11 right you think of romans 116 to the jew first to the greek um you know so many texts that speak
00:48:17 about uh gentiles being able to be saved and so someone asked like what how do they how do they
00:48:23 deal with that um so any text you'll go to that says a gentile can be saved here's fundamentally
00:48:30 what they're going to do they're going to say it's actually an israelite in a gentile state of mind
00:48:37 so gentile actually they'll say can mean um an israelite who's just uh kind of uh capitulated
00:48:47 to the culture uh the problem is there's a there's a there's a word for that in in in the greek
00:48:53 right it's a hellenized jew right it's a that's right so it's so that would actually not be
00:48:59 correct from there but that i'm just telling you what their you know their hermeneutic is or no
00:49:04 that's super helpful yeah yeah so but uh i that that's been the strongest argument um for for me
00:49:11 to counter counteract saying well no that's a term for that you're actually looking for it
00:49:16 wouldn't be appropriate to call them a Gentile still, because in the same passage, you'll say
00:49:20 to the Israelite first and then to the Israelite, you know, it's like, well, that doesn't make
00:49:24 sense. Right. Or they'd have, or they'd have to say to the Jew and then to the, you know,
00:49:28 the Hebrew Jew, Hebraic Jew, and then to the Hellenist Jew. Yeah, you're absolutely right. 0.95
00:49:34 That's a good, that would be more accurate. That's a good counter. One of the passages
00:49:37 that I've used to show them, you know, Gentiles can be saved, where it's so clear, I mean,
00:49:44 is ephesians 2 11 uh through ephesians 2 11 through 13 if i could read that it says therefore
00:49:53 remember that at one time you gentiles in the flesh so it's like paul prophetically trying to
00:49:58 prove that these are real gentiles uh gentiles in the flesh called the uncircumcision by what
00:50:04 is called the circumcision uh which is made in the flesh by hands remember that you were at that time
00:50:08 separated from christ alienated from the commonwealth of israel and strangers to the
00:50:14 covenants of promise having no hope and without god in the world but now in christ jesus you who
00:50:21 were once far off have been brought near by the bullet of christ and so that's those that's one
00:50:26 of the strongest texts for me because it's like paul's pinning pointing that these are actual
00:50:29 actual gentiles they're they're gentiles of the flesh they're called the uncircumcision that was
00:50:35 not true of hellenized uh hellenized jews um they were they were alienated from the commonwealth 0.50
00:50:41 separated from christ and so uh all these were true of the of the gentile nation and so or gentile
00:50:49 nations and so that and then he ended with now they can be saved right now they're and then one
00:50:55 these two people have been made one and such a beautiful text right for those who who love the
00:51:01 gospel. And so that's one of the texts I've used to demonstrate Gentiles can be saved.
00:51:06 That's great. Well, let's go ahead and land the plane, but let's land the plane with 1.00
00:51:09 going back to Jesus, right? So what do they do with Jesus? Because you said that they would
00:51:17 reject the incarnation, the Holy Spirit coming upon Mary and her conceiving by the Holy Spirit,
00:51:28 but they would say that Jesus had an earthly father and you said they denied the deity of
00:51:32 Christ. Okay. So then what is Jesus? Is he just a prophet? What is Jesus? Yeah. Jesus is just a,
00:51:40 he's a, he was a, it's a black man that knows what oppression is like. He's, so he's kind of 0.88
00:51:44 using a more example. Yeah. Example. So, so oftentimes when you hear, like, if you just
00:51:53 like go and listen to them, like when they're not combating Christians, talk about Jesus,
00:51:57 Jesus is is is not used as a person to be admired or worshiped it's very little often it's very few
00:52:07 that they'll talk about Jesus you know oftentimes it's the Christian having to bring up Jesus about
00:52:12 you know about his deity and the gospel but but Christ is more so an example of how we are to live
00:52:18 our lives they have no really no view of really of substitutionary atonement they rarely talk about
00:52:24 the cross um and so yeah jesus is just a you know a black man right revelation one talks about him
00:52:32 being a black man that's what they'll say um right they'll they'll go to that text revelation one it 0.62
00:52:37 says you know he has hair like wool well who else has hair like wool that's the black man oh my
00:52:44 goodness but it's it's it's funny because there are actually a lot of people who have hair like
00:52:48 outside of you know but that's that's another point but that's interesting jesus is just used
00:52:54 as a person who knows what it's like to experience oppression from the hands of the government
00:52:58 nothing's changed right us black people we still experience the same thing today
00:53:02 like you know people they got our they got their knees on our necks right and so that's what jesus
00:53:08 is for them it is it's it's a it's a you know an example of how to live and matter of fact what's
00:53:14 going to happen when he comes back he's going to he's going to uh i mean obviously this part is
00:53:19 biblical but the application is wrong right he's going to crush all his enemies and um and stuff 0.91
00:53:23 like that well but by enemies mainly the white man you know and so yeah yeah yeah that's a pretty 0.88
00:53:30 racist group huh yeah it is wow wow uh but praise god but no more racist than the democratic party
00:53:39 in my opinion so yeah but praise god i've known some people who've abandoned that theology and
00:53:44 they've come to the gospel of jesus christ and so praise god um that's that's why i engage with
00:53:49 them you know i i gotta as paul said right a a um love for my kinsmen right i don't want people 1.00
00:53:57 uh in in the uh black community um you know the the minority community being just washed away 0.90
00:54:04 right so i'm like i feel that zeal like man i don't want to just say well just continue oh 0.98
00:54:09 this is too crazy uh just go with the heresy man i want to combat it you know with the gospel
00:54:14 amen good for you for doing that yeah my those according to my my kin my kinsmen those according
00:54:20 to the flesh that i think that's that's awesome i think of uh chalk knocks i i said this on an
00:54:26 interview we did a little while back but uh um he's with uh cross politic are you familiar with
00:54:31 him david shannon yes yes absolutely nobody knows his real name because he never uses it's just
00:54:36 chalk knox but he came up with that nickname so he's in moscow for our listeners if you're not
00:54:41 aware but he's with gabriel wrench and toby sumter on cross politic great podcast wonderful to
00:54:46 subscribe to listen to them on a regular basis but he came up with that nickname chalk knox
00:54:52 because of the scottish reformer john knox who famously said among many things but give me
00:54:58 scotland lest i die and so chalk knocks chocolate black is saying you know give me the black 0.87
00:55:04 community lest i die so even though he's up in moscow idaho with a bunch of white folks for the 0.96
00:55:08 most part um you know he's he's still he's saying all these things that i've embraced in terms of
00:55:14 true biblical doctrine and and all the things i'm working for and the reason i'm doing podcasts and
00:55:18 i'm doing this and i'm making art and film and all this kind of stuff i'm doing it first and
00:55:23 foremost for the glory of god and the good of all humanity all brothers and sisters in christ but
00:55:27 i'm also doing it um for those according to the flesh for my kinsmen for the black community
00:55:32 that he realizes he's the black community that is preyed upon um you know there's really in my
00:55:39 opinion there's no question about whether or not the black community minority communities at large
00:55:44 but specifically the black community is actually being oppressed the question is by who and how
00:55:49 Right. So I think there is oppression when I think of just abortion. Abortion affects black people much more. I mean, Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, literally talked about wanting to extinguish minority communities through birth control and abortion.
00:56:13 that's what she had in mind you know and and then when i think of you know just uh the the you know
00:56:18 the soft bigotry of low expectations you know or teaching you know from a young age you're a victim
00:56:24 you know you're in touch like that is um oppression that is praying p-r-e-y you know
00:56:30 praying upon somebody um strictly for you know on the basis of their skin and so guys like you guys
00:56:37 like david shannon chalk knocks to say hey no cut that out and i'm not just gonna say oh this 0.89
00:56:43 is dumb and this is stupid i'm going to say no but but a lot of these people are deceived they're 0.97
00:56:47 just deceived and they need the truth they need to be freed by the only one who has the authority 0.99
00:56:54 and power to set someone free the lord jesus christ absolutely bless you chris for thank you
00:56:59 doing that do you have any final thoughts for us man i was just blessed to be on man uh like i said
00:57:04 i watched the content so uh encouraged by what you guys are doing engaging the culture uh with
00:57:10 the gospel and giving people the truth, man. My hopes is that if, who knows, Black Hebrews
00:57:16 watches this, stumble across this, watches this, it's all love. I share the truth because I love
00:57:22 you and I want to see you come to a right saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, the true Israelite,
00:57:27 and then you can become a true Jew by faith. That's right. Amen. Which is way more important.
00:57:31 Amen. Great. Well, thanks so much for coming on the show. Absolutely.
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