The NXR Podcast - THEOLOGY APPLIED - Interracial Marriage, Black Hebrew Israelites, & Dispensationalism ｜ with Kris Williams

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00:00:18.080 All right, welcome to another show of Theology Applied.

00:00:20.960 Today it was very privileged to have as a special guest, Chris Williams.

00:00:24.600 He goes by K-Dub. He is a Christian rapper.

00:00:28.100 he's reformed he's 1689 he said for the most part we'll take it close enough 1689 and he's done

00:00:34.400 a lot of great work on youtube on his youtube channel doing a lot of teaching addressing a

00:00:39.220 lot of heresies a lot of cults and today what we address is the black hebrew israelites which we

00:00:45.000 would both strongly agree is a cult and a lot of people don't know much about it and i am one of

00:00:51.120 those people and so chris helped me understand why it's significant why it matters and what

00:00:57.860 the word of God has to say on that topic. So tune in, enjoy.

00:01:03.420 Applying God's word to every aspect of life. This is Theology Applied.

00:01:13.420 All right. Welcome back. This is Pastor Joel with Right Response Ministries,

00:01:16.480 another episode of Theology Applied. My guest is Chris Williams, K-Dub. Some of you may know him

00:01:22.240 by that name. Is that correct? That's correct. All right. Introduce yourself. Thanks for coming

00:01:26.820 on the show yeah man uh chris some know me as kdub i'm an apologist i do christian rap as well

00:01:33.140 i uh you know do i got my hands in a few baskets you know as far as in the culture addressing woke

00:01:39.500 stuff uh hebrews are lights atheists i'm passionate about it all so yeah that's great so with with

00:01:45.680 apologetics are you so i love i love rc sproll big fan uh probably one of the only things i disagree

00:01:51.880 with Sproul on would be baptism and his classical apologetics, which I'm sympathetic towards. I

00:02:00.520 understand, but I would be in the presuppositional vein. Where are you at with apologetics? What's

00:02:05.420 kind of your approach? I'm presupp-vantillion all the way. Okay. Great, man. Good for you. 0.97

00:02:11.660 Cool. All right. Well, so you're using your presuppositional skills to make a defense for

00:02:18.520 the faith and, and not just make a defense, but really in the presuppositional vein, putting the

00:02:24.660 opponents on the defense. They're the ones who the burden of proof lies on them to make a reasonable

00:02:30.020 argument for their hostility and their disbelief. But in terms of the black Hebrew Israelites, 0.61

00:02:37.620 that's kind of the theme of our episode today. What, what are some of the things I'm not really

00:02:42.400 familiar with this particular cult. I know enough to call it a cult because people that I trust

00:02:48.560 have labeled it as such, but what are some of the things that they deny in terms of

00:02:52.700 core Christian beliefs? Man, it's quite a bit. They're probably one of the most heretical

00:03:00.920 groups out there. They deny salvation by Christ alone. As far as grace alone, they believe it's 0.88

00:03:10.820 law keeping which makes a man right before god many of them will uh they deny the deity of christ

00:03:16.740 therefore they deny the trinity they deny that god is many now there are variations amongst the

00:03:23.900 hebrew israelite so um i'm describing a particular brand which uh uh you know uh hebrew israelite

00:03:30.800 apologists have come to call one west hebrew israelites um they say that salvation is only

00:03:37.140 for israel and so only israelites can be saved so gentiles cannot be saved and they would say

00:03:43.820 according to the bible um and so yeah uh obviously just being a racist group so well can can a white

00:03:51.180 person be an israelite no white person so they legitimately like on the books they believe like

00:03:57.180 white people are going to hell period yeah well so they deny hell so they'll say white person is

00:04:03.020 going to slavery oh okay so because uh there's a specific specific text and uh revelation 0.99

00:04:10.780 uh what is it uh 13 10 that says if anyone is taking captive captivity if anyone is taking

00:04:20.560 captive to captivity he goes so since the white man uh you know took black people into captivity

00:04:26.260 he's got to get that payback right and so it's a very so what do they think i'd be curious to if

00:04:32.840 If I was talking with one of them, I'd say, so what do you think about black tribes that took captive other black people and sold them to the white man?

00:04:41.700 Are they going to go into captivity also? 0.99

00:04:44.760 So this kind of gets into their eschatology. 0.99

00:04:47.660 So the black people who never repented or did something like that, they will be destroyed with thermonuclear destruction. 1.00

00:04:58.000 Wow. 1.00

00:04:58.220 And so pretty much missiles are going to come.

00:05:00.960 Yeah, I know a lot of people hear this and be like, where did they get this from?

00:05:03.820 Yeah, I don't know.

00:05:05.340 But they claim the Bible.

00:05:07.240 So, yeah.

00:05:07.440 Yeah, wow.

00:05:08.600 But they, correct me if I'm wrong, but they would make a claim saying they are the true descendants of Israel. 0.96

00:05:14.380 That's correct. 0.97

00:05:15.000 From passages like Deuteronomy 28, they're very focused on that passage to show that the Israelites are Black, Hispanic, and Native Americans.

00:05:26.620 And they're not just saying we're the spiritual descendants, but they're saying literally, biologically.

00:05:32.040 Yeah, so biologically they would say that.

00:05:34.220 So what would they say about somebody like Ben Shapiro, somebody who is of Jewish descent?

00:05:38.780 Would they say that's not Israel?

00:05:41.480 What do they say about just the nation of Israel?

00:05:44.000 Oh, so here's where they would go to, right?

00:05:46.480 Revelation 2.9.

00:05:48.120 It says, I know your tribulation and your poverty, but you are rich and the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but of the synagogue of Satan. 0.82

00:05:56.620 and so you they're not the true jews over there right uh right they're they're the synagogue of 0.77

00:06:03.560 satan so the martin luther would actually agree with him on that one but but for different reasons

00:06:08.420 different reasons right for those jews who don't profess christ he was yeah these are synagogues

00:06:15.340 of satan um man wow that is a interesting that's a bold a bold claim it's funny you know so i you 0.75

00:06:24.460 know kind of being a little bit frank it's funny because it's like racism is is racism is such a

00:06:30.080 hot topic issue in our world today um and you know anti-semitic you know rhetoric and those

00:06:36.460 kinds of things which i mean it obviously sounds like black hebrew israelites would fall into that

00:06:41.060 category um but it correct me if i'm wrong but it seems like like if if a if a group of white

00:06:48.060 people were saying this about ethnic jews we'd hear it on the news for weeks and weeks and weeks

00:06:54.180 do you think do they i'll just frankly ask my question do they get away with some of the racial

00:06:59.820 language because they're black what do you think i do think they get away with a lot of uh racial

00:07:06.820 epitaphs they use i mean like you said if if anyone was if any person of white you know kind

00:07:13.180 of on that borderline was screaming the things they were saying oh yeah it would be front page

00:07:17.580 news and they would be you know warned against right probably in jail for a lot of things they

00:07:23.640 say but yeah they do get a lot of weight with a lot of a lot of stuff yeah yeah so okay so i don't

00:07:29.340 remember the guy's name but um just recently and this is a story that the legacy media has

00:07:34.400 quickly buried i think it was in the news for a day you know and and barely um and then quickly

00:07:39.880 was suppressed and then other conservative outlets have picked it up and and done it some service but

00:07:43.680 i can't remember the guy's name but um he was basically made an attempt and it has it's still

00:07:49.320 alleged it hasn't been you know um completely proven yet he's gonna have to go to court and

00:07:53.540 be tried and all those kind of things and and god bless that he deserves his day in court

00:07:56.920 but uh basically it was a murder attempt on a democrat um i believe a democrat nominee

00:08:03.700 um for i think for mayor uh somebody who was running to be mayor and he but but a democrat

00:08:10.960 um and he basically attempted to murder them that allegedly that's the story um but it was a young

00:08:18.120 black man and uh from some of the conservative news cycles that i found he was he's not a black

00:08:24.760 hebrew israelite but he was a part of something else some judah or lion the lions do you know 0.79

00:08:30.760 what i'm talking about have you heard of this group they're similar yeah den of life there's

00:08:36.200 they have there's so many camps and sex and then there's like so many variations it wouldn't

00:08:42.360 surprise me because there have been stories where um black hebrew israelites people who are involved

00:08:47.820 in the camps um and by the way they don't like that term they they say it's redundant right

00:08:52.320 black hebrews are like they say oh yeah you know so they don't like that term but that's what they

00:08:57.280 recall in the early 90s even by but anyways there have been stories of um black hebrews 0.78

00:09:02.400 that have murdered people and there's been some i mean you know talk about the women involved and

00:09:08.320 like the husband has murdered the wife or done something crazy there are some pretty vicious

00:09:12.660 stories right well what was interesting about this story and i wish i had researched it a

00:09:16.540 little bit more before we started recording but what was interesting was basically that that um

00:09:20.920 that the democrat nominee who whose life was in jeopardy that he was attempting to murder

00:09:27.160 um was a jew and so that that's why i bring it up was to say that it seems like this guy

00:09:33.100 you know they you know it's funny that you know they're like well we don't know what ideology he

00:09:38.180 had but like but just the recent weeks of his you know his social media posts were all very much

00:09:44.580 you know um praising and glorifying this this very similar group to the black hebrew israelites and 0.53

00:09:51.760 it's like um yeah it's like tribe of lions or or a lion tribe or something like that um judah's

00:10:00.500 lion something like that but anyways uh so very similar ideology very similar beliefs of the black

00:10:05.560 hebrew israelites and and then he makes an assassination attempt on a jew you know yeah

00:10:11.800 they they really hate the jews that's what it seems like they hate asians and this may surprise 0.89

00:10:17.380 you they hate africans really why why do they hate africans you ask i'm glad because those are

00:10:24.380 the ones that are getting confused with the true israelites right like we're not if you it's it's

00:10:29.260 amazing you'll be on there'll be like a there's been there's videos of this like on youtube of

00:10:33.140 like an african coming up they found out the guy's an african and they're like just as racist to him

00:10:39.080 as a white person, right? Because, you know, we're not African descent. We come from the

00:10:44.360 most highs, you know, bloodline. We're not no dirty African. They'll say things like that,

00:10:49.400 which is, man, just very racist in his soul.

00:10:53.480 That's pretty bad. Okay. So thinking theologically for a moment, Black Hebrew Israelites, would they

00:11:01.560 be in like a dispensational kind of vein? So when I think of dispensationalism, I think of two 0.95

00:11:06.980 tracks, right? That ethnic Israel, national Israel is still in full effect today. God still has a 0.86

00:11:14.060 covenant with Israel. There are certain land promises, physical promises that are still yet

00:11:18.340 to be fulfilled and will be fulfilled for Israel. Now, that's not my disposition. That's not where

00:11:23.160 I'm at. I would hold to a 1689 federalism, a Reformed Baptist covenantalism. So I'm going to

00:11:30.880 look and i'm going to say that um that the church is true israel right and and uh right and and i

00:11:36.640 you know i i think it's interesting because the black hebrew israelite saying well we're we're

00:11:41.220 true israel but they're not saying like we already discussed they're not saying black people have

00:11:45.220 have replaced israel they're saying no no no we we always were israel and and these guys are 0.86

00:11:51.300 imposters ethnic israel ben shapiro you know these guys are imposters they're pretend like we can

00:11:57.340 trace our bloodline we we're not saying this is a spiritual uh inheritance but but literally we 0.60

00:12:03.080 are biologically israel always were um so so we're like would would they be covenantal or would they

00:12:10.140 be dispensational because the dispensational person is going to say nobody's replaced israel

00:12:14.220 there's israel and then the church has come alongside israel and so there's promises to

00:12:18.920 the church and there are promises to israel spiritual promises to the church uh physical

00:12:23.320 promises to Israel and all those of ethnic Israel are welcome through faith to join the church and

00:12:28.280 receive those spiritual promises in addition to these land promises. But basically it's this

00:12:33.640 parentheses that all of a sudden we're in this pause moment in the last days. But Jesus is going

00:12:41.260 to come back and he's going to inaugurate his millennial kingdom here on earth. And he's

00:12:46.380 literally going to rule from the throne of David, and Israel, ethnic Israel, is going to inherit 0.79

00:12:53.700 certain physical promises. Whereas I would say, no, the church has replaced Israel. Replacement 0.83

00:12:59.500 theology, just for the record, is really a derogatory term that dispensationalists came up

00:13:04.560 with. I would look at it more as fulfillment theology, or it's really just covenant theology.

00:13:09.720 But Israel is kind of like the scaffolding that was working alongside building a temple as

00:13:16.300 unto the Lord. And like, you know, Ephesians chapter four, the living temple built with

00:13:22.300 living stones and Israel, God used Israel, this Jewish root, this Jewish foundation to build

00:13:29.620 the temple. The foundation being the apostles and prophets and Christ himself being the cornerstone.

00:13:36.700 And when the work was finished in the life and death and resurrection of Christ and the outpouring

00:13:41.440 of the Spirit at Pentecost, all of ethnic Israel was invited to come and join the church,

00:13:46.420 to come inside.

00:13:47.180 Let's take down the scaffolding.

00:13:48.440 We don't need it anymore.

00:13:49.900 But I look at the dispensationalists and say, no, these are two buildings.

00:13:53.100 The scaffolding is actually its own building.

00:13:55.720 And then there's the temple.

00:13:57.320 And I would say, no, no, no, no, it's just the temple.

00:13:59.120 That's just scaffolding.

00:14:00.080 They're like, no, that's the Eiffel Tower.

00:14:01.640 That's a beautiful monument.

00:14:04.060 No, that's just poles and boards and wood.

00:14:07.960 That was literally just the scaffolding. 0.80

00:14:09.520 And so anyway, so I'm saying replaced, and the word I would use is fulfilled, that Israel was fulfilled in the church, in the church. 0.98

00:14:18.420 But for the black Hebrew Israelite, it sounds like they're like, well, they're not dispensationalists, but it sounds like they're like all the very worst parts about dispensation. 0.90

00:14:27.060 Like they would say that there are still physical land promises, and national Israel is still a thing and still in covenant with the Lord, and nobody, there is no second. 0.90

00:14:36.040 so dispensationalist two buildings covenant theology is all into one building and for them

00:14:41.640 it would be one building but it's still israel and everybody else is yeah just think like

00:14:46.480 dispensationalism like hyperize because it's only like you said there is no church concept

00:14:52.840 in the black hebrews like it's only israelites um at least to those who um because there are

00:14:59.620 some hebrew israelites who have a uh hierarchy so they'll say well no gentiles can be saved

00:15:05.800 but they got to come under an israelite so for those it would be a more kind of dispensation

00:15:11.860 but for the most part it's a hyper hyper dispensationalized yeah they want to see uh

00:15:18.440 you know those land promises the temple promises all being literalized and it's and and what you'll

00:15:24.300 really find when you have conversations with them they have no idea they don't like the concept of

00:15:28.760 apostolic interpretation. So, right. Paul uses a text. He kind of has this apostolic interpretation

00:15:34.280 of that passage. They'll say, no, we cannot go with that view. We got to go back to the old

00:15:39.700 Testament. Right. And see that. So it's, it's the old Testament is the lens of what you are to see 0.95

00:15:44.000 all these things, you know, carry it out. So no kind of progressive revelation. So, so that's

00:15:50.940 what you're going to get when dealing with black keywords. So they're saying the, yeah, that's the 0.92

00:15:54.080 opposite of what we would say. Cause we would say, you know, start with the new Testament. That's,

00:15:57.140 you know, shedding light on the Old Testament.

00:15:59.420 They're not pitted against one another.

00:16:02.040 There's a perfect unity to the Old and the New Testament.

00:16:05.740 But I can't remember what theologian it was,

00:16:08.240 but he said the Old Testament is like a richly furnished room,

00:16:11.640 but the lighting is dim.

00:16:13.900 And Christ, especially in the apostolic writings,

00:16:16.600 is the light that, you know, reveals the richness of this room.

00:16:21.680 And so we would look at the New Testament in order to understand more fully

00:16:25.200 the promises and the messianic prophecies in the old, but it sounds like, you know, like you said,

00:16:30.320 progressive revelation, but for them, correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like they think that

00:16:34.760 the revelation was clearest in the beginning and has gotten muddier along the way.

00:16:40.840 In some sense, yeah, that's fundamentally what they would argue.

00:16:45.220 Well, what do they do for worship? Are there black Hebrew Israelite churches? Do they gather

00:16:50.940 together for worship so so they call them camps uh that's like their version of denominations 0.99

00:16:56.000 right and there's not much when whenever i see like a service of black the black hebrew is like

00:17:02.780 it's the worship aspect is not there it's it's it's a lot of teaching um a lot of uh bible memory

00:17:10.640 stuff but as far as like worship rarely done especially in the one west variety of uh camps

00:17:19.040 And so, yeah, that's the sad part.

00:17:21.540 Do they gather on Sundays?

00:17:24.460 No, that's right.

00:17:26.520 They're Sabbatarians. 0.94

00:17:28.680 So Friday or Saturday. 1.00

00:17:31.640 Gotcha.

00:17:32.000 Like Friday evening.

00:17:33.340 Yeah.

00:17:33.800 So it'd be Friday evening or Saturday during the day.

00:17:35.740 So kind of like a Seventh-day Adventist. 0.96

00:17:38.720 Correct.

00:17:39.320 Which, for the record, I would be a Sabbatarian.

00:17:42.160 Any Westminster 1689 is.

00:17:44.540 But we would say that Christ, who is Lord of the Sabbath,

00:17:47.080 did not remove the Sabbath, but rather renewed the Sabbath

00:17:49.960 by virtue of his resurrection from the last day of the week to the first.

00:17:54.060 But they would, again, that makes sense with them not believing

00:17:57.120 in progressive revelation, but it sounds like they believe

00:17:59.140 in regressive revelation.

00:18:00.460 It gets dimmer as you go further.

00:18:01.720 They would want an old covenant view of the Sabbath.

00:18:04.040 Yeah, so they're going to go back to Saturday, last day of the week.

00:18:07.440 Okay, so is this a large cult? 0.84

00:18:11.840 Are there a lot of black Hebrew Israelites?

00:18:14.960 Yes.

00:18:15.920 Really?

00:18:17.080 So it's kind of very it's very hard to determine their numbers because they don't do anything like church membership where they pin down how many people are at their church.

00:18:25.760 So so at best, we have to conclude. And I would say and this is me lowballing, I would say just and this is based off like, you know, YouTube numbers, YouTube, like, you know, so at at me lowballing, I would probably say in America alone, it's at least one million black people is the light.

00:18:44.760 Wow. And that's just in America, because there are some that are there in places like UK, Ghana, even Africa. Some Black Hebrew Israelites are rising, even Canada and outside of the States.

00:19:01.600 Wow. So they're like the same size as the SBC. The SBC says that they have 15 million, but only 1 million show up on Sundays. 1.00

00:19:07.820 So Black Hebrew Israelites and SBC, same size. Wow. 0.96

00:19:11.740 That's funny. You do have like some, you know, Israelites, quote unquote, that, you know, they just watch the YouTube videos, but they don't, they don't do any, they don't go to camp. They don't do anything. You just, or they're in jail, you know, or something like that. 0.97

00:19:27.300 Yeah. So does, does it tend, you know, with, with, you know, I know you were saying it kind of, you know, tongue in cheek, but does it, does it tend to be a violent group?

00:19:34.900 oh yes there's plenty of videos of of them uh starting fights uh punching people out just right

00:19:44.220 at camp and and they'll and they'll praise god for it right there um you know they have a phrase

00:19:50.420 when like whenever something humiliating happens to a white man they'll say kwam yasharala and what

00:19:55.540 that means is rise israel right um they're they're saying like pretty much praise god for this and

00:20:01.160 There's videos of people getting punched out on the street. I've been on the streets where they've gotten aggressive, right? I've never been assaulted out there, but you can tell if they thought they would get away with it, they probably would, you know? And so plenty of videos like that online. 0.70

00:20:17.060 Wow. So a little bit earlier, going back about seven, eight minutes or so, you said that a white person, you said earlier that there was no hope. You're not going to go to hell, but you're going to go to captivity, and you cited Revelation. But then you said that a white person could come under one of them. Can you explain that a little bit?

00:20:38.860 Yes. Yes. So so it depends on the camp. So there are some camps who say, no, a white person can't come under.

00:20:45.260 But there are some camps who who will say, no, Israel. And they'll actually have a more biblical.

00:20:51.060 It's still sub biblical, but it's it's more biblical than biblical than the Israelite only camps, because they'll say, look, no, the stranger was allowed even in the old covenant to come under.

00:21:00.460 And so they'll so even then you see a problem with the old covenant, actually, their view of like being grafted in under the right. 0.94

00:21:07.680 So a Gentile, the only way they could be under this, if they actually did come under, and there was a kind of hierarchy in that sense, but they'll strictly have that. 0.83

00:21:17.920 They don't have a new covenant view of salvation in large, you know, Galatians 3.28, things like that. 1.00

00:21:24.740 All of them will deny.

00:21:26.680 So that's where they do stay in a unison. 0.99

00:21:29.060 Israel is greater in that sense. 0.97

00:21:32.260 Gotcha.

00:21:32.580 So, I mean, for us, as, you know, covenantal and new covenant, you know, New Testament Christians, we would say we would have, you know, we would not be arrogant.

00:21:43.260 So I think of like Romans 11, where it says, but you do not, do not be presumptuous.

00:21:47.480 Don't be arrogant.

00:21:48.440 You know, if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you. 0.99

00:21:51.600 And, you know, so Israel was cut off a partial hardening for a time so that you, the Gentiles, might be grafted in a wild olive shoot being grafted in. 0.99

00:22:02.580 but grafted into what? It's grafted into this Jewish root. And he says, don't be arrogant. 0.94

00:22:09.100 It is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. So Gentiles, I believe that 0.99

00:22:15.700 orthodox, covenantal, New Testament Christian Gentiles, we acknowledge that, yeah, this is

00:22:22.860 something that God built. It was always his intent. So we believe God is the same yesterday,

00:22:27.380 today, and forevermore. Behold, I am the Lord, I changeth not. So I don't think that God

00:22:32.100 repented. I know that there are texts that use that, like Genesis 6, but not in the way

00:22:37.100 that we repent. We use the clearer verses in Scripture to understand the ones that are more

00:22:41.820 obscure. And the Bible says, God is not a man that he should change his mind. So it was always

00:22:47.120 God's plan. We believe that there was a covenant, even before the foundations of the world were

00:22:51.900 laid, what we would call the covenant of redemption between the Father and the Son by the Holy Spirit

00:22:56.900 to give him a people for himself to be his bride that he would purify by his blood that they would

00:23:02.880 be pure and spotless and presented back to the father in splendor and glory and so the church

00:23:07.500 has always been God's plan and as we saw that the seed of Abraham through this seed all the nations

00:23:13.640 would be saved would be blessed and so we know this was always God's plan and yet it still is

00:23:18.640 significant to say yeah it was always God's plan to save from among every tribe tongue and language

00:23:24.720 but he did it through israel he did it through israel so don't get arrogant right so it's it's

00:23:30.140 always been about the nations not just israel that's always been his plan and yet we should

00:23:34.540 not be arrogant it is the root that supports you and not and and eventually i believe that that

00:23:39.600 israel will be grafted back in and paul says like if they're cut cutting off meant meant your

00:23:45.920 salvation then what will their rejoining be you know grafted back in but life from the dead that 0.90

00:23:51.700 it'll be even better that Israel coming back won't be bad for the Gentiles, but it'll be even better 0.71

00:23:56.680 for Israel and Gentiles alike. So all that being said, you know, this Jewish root, yes, we want to

00:24:03.840 honor what God has done through the prophets, through our spiritual fathers, the patriarch of

00:24:11.540 Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all these things matter. And so there is a sense in which Gentiles, 0.56

00:24:18.120 we are receiving a Jewish salvation by virtue of our faith in Christ. But the idea of coming under, 0.98

00:24:29.900 for us, it's all doctrinally, it's clearly articulated. How do we gain entrance? How do

00:24:35.060 we come in? Well, we come in by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, because

00:24:39.540 Christ is the ultimate seed of the woman. Christ is the most Jewish Jew who ever lived. He is the

00:24:47.900 seed of abraham he is the promised son and through faith in him um we're israel i i am true israel

00:24:57.200 um right but but with black hebrew israelites i'm wondering um how what is the process how does

00:25:04.460 somebody come come in is it just is it through because for us it's through faith it's by grace

00:25:09.760 alone through faith alone um and and then we would say yeah and to be a part of the church

00:25:13.740 there are some core Christian doctrines you have to believe, but, but with, you know,

00:25:17.460 if a white person wanted to come into a particular camp that allowed for that within the black

00:25:21.440 Hebrew Israelite tribe, would, would they have to pay penance? Would they have to, you know, 0.76

00:25:26.800 like, what would that look like? This, this is actually a good question, maybe more so than you

00:25:31.440 even know, because how does one become an Israelite, right? Well, fundamentally it's through

00:25:36.700 the bloodline um and they will say that's through your father so if so oftentimes they'll be preaching

00:25:44.280 out in the street and someone will come up okay i want to be a part well who's your father uh what

00:25:49.200 was he a so-called black man they'll say that so-called right because they don't believe he

00:25:53.180 really was so-called black man and so if your father is a is an israelite so-called black man

00:25:59.280 then you can be one but let's say you have a person who's mixed right there it's a young lady

00:26:05.260 comes up wants to be a part but her father was a white man so-called white man then that person

00:26:10.620 even though their mother was black that person would not be allowed to be an israelite fundamentally

00:26:15.960 for those who say israelite only right now for those who say israelites uh or gentiles can come

00:26:22.360 under like the sojourner yeah yeah they would just have a more subordinate view they cannot

00:26:27.640 be a teacher they just kind of are the they can kind of be around the the the camp but they they

00:26:34.740 they will not be allowed to teach an Israelite. Gotcha. All right. Well, what are, what are some 0.78

00:26:39.020 other thoughts that you might have? What is, you know, I've, I've been asking questions, but I,

00:26:42.940 again, this is novel to me and I'm not well studied on this particular, uh, Colt, what,

00:26:49.020 what are some things that as, as you've done videos, I know that you've done a lot of teaching

00:26:53.140 on this and engage with different people. What are, what are some of the, um, the common themes

00:26:59.420 or concepts that that arise um a common thing that arise what man it's it's quite a few um

00:27:08.320 because all of them try to say oh we're not we're not hateful like them but as the more you talk

00:27:14.200 it's like well wow uh yeah you are um since we were just describing um you know how you're

00:27:22.040 in israelized by your father this is actually fundamental to why they deny the virgin birth

00:27:26.560 um because uh or yeah they deny the virgin birth because jesus had to have a physical father to be

00:27:34.400 an israelite right and so they deny the virgin birth um this this might be just interesting uh

00:27:41.580 to because someone may be like okay but how do they get up how do they get that the white man

00:27:46.780 is not an israelite and they are they'll well they they'll uh say uh esau is described in the bible as

00:27:55.080 uh being ruddy and they'll say ruddy means red and who does that fit the white man right he

00:28:01.300 matter of fact he could be called the red man but david was also described as being ruddy

00:28:06.060 so they'll that that is very true and this is where they're not very consistent because

00:28:11.280 you'll you'll bring that up and they'll say well ruddy means beautiful right there not

00:28:15.580 not actually red so so they're very inconsistent so esau is the is the prototypical white man right

00:28:22.440 He is the, that's why they may call, you may hear them saying, Edomite is the white man.

00:28:30.700 And so, right?

00:28:31.860 And what does the Bible say about Esau?

00:28:34.940 God hates Esau.

00:28:36.460 So God is actually the racist. 1.00

00:28:39.100 He hates white people. 0.99

00:28:40.640 That's their, obviously, I don't believe that. 0.99

00:28:42.820 That's their hermeneutic, and that's what they'll teach.

00:28:45.500 So that's interesting.

00:28:46.680 I get that.

00:28:48.200 i obviously think it's ridiculous but i i understand the ridiculousness of it but it's

00:28:53.300 it's just interesting that you know because jacob and esau share the same father and it

00:28:57.280 sounds like that's such a big emphasis is who who's your dad right you know you you would think

00:29:03.100 yeah they're not real consistent on like wait i thought you are who you are by your father well

00:29:09.180 then that would make esau an israelite and right there's so many different answers to this dilemma

00:29:14.860 like you're actually bringing up one dilemma yeah to that well that so that raises another

00:29:19.040 question for me um what do they think about people who they they would acknowledge this person

00:29:25.140 is of black hebrew israelite descent uh this is a true descendant but the person is not um

00:29:34.660 they're not they don't believe the doctrine they're not they're not a part of their their

00:29:39.400 group what happens to those people is it all just blood or or do you have to do you have to be of

00:29:44.840 of a particular line lineage but also professing certain doctrine yeah so it would be blood and

00:29:53.180 belief but so like so like someone like me right they would call me a jake they'll say you're not

00:29:59.800 jacob yet right you're you're just a jake so you haven't woke up yet to who you are and so um

00:30:06.380 yeah so if from their from their position right if i don't repent and return to to my true heritage 0.66

00:30:13.660 i'll be cut off right they'll say they'll go to this passage in revelation that talks about two

00:30:17.780 thirds to be cut off um and they'll say some of that will be our own people who will be cut off

00:30:23.240 from the nation and they'll receive destruction as well interesting yeah so so here's another 0.99

00:30:28.900 question i have when all the black lives matter stuff was going down and and the whole world

00:30:33.840 you know because woke i you know i was i was a part of acts 29 when eric mason wrote uh woke

00:30:39.300 Church and Ligon Duncan, you know, and Eric Mason was on the board with Matt Chandler. And I left

00:30:45.000 in 2018 because of, well, a few things, but that was one of the biggest things was just seeing

00:30:50.880 the network and the direction it was heading with critical race theory and these kinds of things.

00:30:54.920 And just, you know, diversity councils. And even on the board, it's like, we have to have the right

00:30:59.000 percentage of skin pigment, not diversity of thought. We don't want that, but, you know,

00:31:02.700 diversity of skin and, you know, all these kinds of things. I remember they had the BD Antibio and

00:31:07.660 And they had Eric Mason. Thibidi wasn't a part of actually, but he was a guest speaker at a conference and Leon's Crump and Brandon Washington and all these guys.

00:31:14.980 And Chandler was kind of hosting a panel with these guys. And and they were just completely hook, line and sinker.

00:31:22.580 All of the critical race theory rhetoric. Leon's even, you know, he didn't use the phrase because it wasn't popularized yet at that time, but was exactly articulating this this idea of ethnic exploitation.

00:31:35.960 because Chandler asked, all right, well, how do we solve the problem?

00:31:38.480 You guys have all been oppressed and we want to make it right.

00:31:41.840 You know, what do we do?

00:31:42.900 And are there some good books we could read?

00:31:45.160 And, you know, and Leon's crump, his response was, 1.00

00:31:48.100 we'll see that right there is that's what we call the numinous Negro, right? 1.00

00:31:51.720 Like the green mile. 1.00

00:31:52.780 There's always some magical, you know, black man that the white people expect 0.57

00:31:55.540 to fix all their problems, you know, and like you get on Google, 0.56

00:31:58.680 you find a book.

00:31:59.340 And I was like, man, like, and, and I realize now,

00:32:02.520 like what he was saying was because because the the the first part of the panel was you know

00:32:07.360 there's a problem you need to recognize your privilege uh you need to do your anti-racist

00:32:11.620 homework you you are racist by virtue of your skin by being a part of the dominant hegemony 0.63

00:32:16.000 uh you know you are uh racist unless there's no such thing as not being racist you can only be 0.99

00:32:22.500 racist we're anti-racist to be anti-racist you're you're someone who is identifying racism in 0.63

00:32:27.300 yourself and in in the the hegemony and calling it out and speaking truth to power and to do that

00:32:33.780 you need to be informed but to be informed um you you have like gray scale lenses right you can't 0.61

00:32:39.480 see reds and blues and purples and violets like you uh because of privilege by being white um

00:32:46.240 there's just certain things that you can't see so you need a person of color to help you and so

00:32:51.220 that's basically the panel that's the way that we had gone and they weren't using all the same

00:32:55.040 language of like kimberly crenshaw and all this kind of stuff uh robin d'angelo you know and but

00:32:59.700 but that's exactly what it was and so then chandler was basically just saying okay like uh so uh we

00:33:05.800 need people of color to to help us to see our own privilege so that we can identify uh our racism in

00:33:11.200 ourself and in the larger uh dominant group that we belong to so that we can uh be advocates you

00:33:16.320 know and allies for our our minority brothers and sisters so uh where where are some good lenses

00:33:22.200 Where can I find some good glasses, you know, some good books written by people of color that can call attention to some of these things, help me see it. 0.95

00:33:29.440 And then even then, you know, the response is, well, basically, you know, what Leon says, you know, numinous Negro. 0.54

00:33:34.820 But what he's basically saying is, well, that's ethnic exploitation.

00:33:38.100 So it's, you know, there's no win scenario, right?

00:33:40.780 So it's like you're racist because you're not helping.

00:33:43.460 But to be not racist, you've got to be anti-racist.

00:33:47.200 You've got to help.

00:33:47.740 But you can't help because you can't see.

00:33:50.160 So you've got to partner with someone who can see.

00:33:51.640 But if you partner with someone who can see, a.k.a. the only people who can see, people of color, then you're just using them to posture yourself as a good white. 1.00

00:33:59.280 So that's ethnic exploitation. 0.97

00:34:01.100 So you're racist. 0.58

00:34:02.020 And if you try to do what we say, you'll still always be racist.

00:34:06.160 So all that, you know, I was a part of that.

00:34:08.120 Acts 29, all this kind of stuff is happening.

00:34:09.880 I leave the movement.

00:34:10.940 I'm just start to get just, I believe, righteously angry about what I see is very, very divisive.

00:34:17.580 It wasn't uniting anybody.

00:34:18.960 It was just completely dividing churches, denominations, all this kind of stuff.

00:34:23.180 So my question, back to the black Hebrew Israelites, is throughout the midst of Black Lives Matter and the protests and George Floyd and all this kind of stuff, I can guess, but I'd like to hear from you, were they eating that up?

00:34:36.620 Did they love it? 0.74

00:34:37.380 Or were they like, no, no, no, no, we actually don't support this?

00:34:39.820 Where would the black Hebrew Israelite be with BLM, things like that?

00:34:44.500 so i i think it more so benefited the black hebrews lights more so than the black hebrews

00:34:52.160 lights like supporting blm okay ultimately they'd be like well blm is just apostate right and just

00:34:59.640 crazy like they will say some sometimes they'll say some things like yeah i actually agree with

00:35:03.440 what you're saying right there you know so i mean broken clock right right so um you know so

00:35:09.280 but a lot of the you know stuff you're talking about right now about just like you know

00:35:14.360 racism is everywhere some of that stuff i first heard from the black heber israelites right and

00:35:20.040 for me it was wild to hear a lot of stuff that i'm like you know you hear x29 saying comfortably

00:35:26.160 now i was like man the black heber is like saying the same thing you know it's like for me i i thought

00:35:30.960 i was i don't i'm like man did i did i fall asleep and just wake up 30 years later and

00:35:35.080 black heber is like to take over that right for me that's how it all right all began you know and

00:35:40.560 so um but no they they would not be with uh blm but they'll say similar things uh right that the 0.62

00:35:47.540 the cops are a racist slave patrol stuff like that right uh matter of fact one of their constant

00:35:53.240 complaints because a lot of them grew up in christian circles right ex-christians right you

00:35:58.240 know what i mean by that not really theologically but right yeah um you know they they they left the

00:36:03.100 church and one of their some of their biggest clank uh you know uh complaints is that it was

00:36:08.260 too white um you know and things like that and so pretty pretty much you know what a lot of

00:36:15.960 what people are saying and so i just think that's ironic you know it is ironic it's funny man i've

00:36:21.300 seen some videos where guys who you know they'll like take like somebody who's you know and it's 0.65

00:36:26.440 a sketch it's not it's not real but like you know like some swastika flying you know nazi 0.69

00:36:32.900 white supremacist you know is a character and then like some uber woke you know black lives

00:36:37.900 matter guy and uh and and and find all the the things that they agree on they're like well

00:36:42.680 schools should be segregated it's like i agree right and it's just it's just funny how you know

00:36:48.680 like like extreme you know extreme progressive you know political views how how in the name of

00:36:57.220 of defeating racism you know how how racist you know they've turned out to be and so it it doesn't

00:37:03.280 surprised me at all that you know that like uh sometimes it's like you find somebody that you

00:37:07.960 never thought you would agree with and it's like yeah i we're saying the same thing on this one

00:37:13.060 point right on this one point we're teamed up so yeah they're they're heavily segregationist and

00:37:18.880 you know they think that would you know solve a lot of issues um you know obviously they hate

00:37:25.700 interracial marriage oh yeah i bet things like that right um even though you go to the bible

00:37:31.080 you're like wait a minute moses had a had a uh right wife from another nation you know and the

00:37:36.420 the best answer i've sometimes you hear some funny answers like you just like you just got

00:37:41.080 to keep them in your pocket forever you know they're like well that was a special moment you

00:37:44.520 know someone said that to me once i thought that was pretty hilarious yeah so yeah no i i can see

00:37:50.160 that and it's you know it's funny like nobody would actually come out on record and say it but

00:37:54.320 I remember thinking like some of these woke guys, even, you know, in evangelicalism, I

00:38:00.280 know, I know for a fact, if I could sit them down, strap them to a chair, give them some

00:38:05.040 true serum and hear what they really thought, I don't think that they would be a fan of 0.70

00:38:10.060 interracial marriage because it's all about, you know, it's all about your identity coming

00:38:16.620 from your ethnicity and what you don't want to, you don't want to water that down.

00:38:20.660 You don't want to lose that.

00:38:21.500 You don't want to mix that, you know?

00:38:22.620 and so yeah which is yeah the sad part is the sad part is back when they weren't racist a lot of

00:38:29.720 those guys or a lot of those guys are in or in in interracial marriages this is like it wasn't an

00:38:36.640 issue back when they weren't racist you know i mean but now now that they've actually become

00:38:40.320 racist right in the biblical sense it's an issue you know and it's like man i don't know how they

00:38:45.180 sleep at night you know like i bet they really struggle and they're probably in some some

00:38:49.500 depression going through all that i completely agree and that's you know like when i think of

00:38:54.020 like revelation you know i think it's chapter five and multiple places throughout the scripture

00:38:58.100 that you know the nations will be christ's inheritance and god is saving from among every

00:39:02.020 tribe tongue and nation we in our specific moment in in history that we live in and the things that

00:39:08.700 become so popularized and so dominant these certain ideologies we immediately think of ethnicity when

00:39:15.260 we think every tribe tongue and nation but the reality is that that you know nations like um

00:39:21.280 ethnos you know like yeah we can get the word ethnicity from it but but nations are are groups

00:39:26.980 of people and often um nations have the same skin pigment as another nation but what makes them a

00:39:32.980 sovereign nation is is not what they look like it's not their physical appearance or their skin

00:39:38.000 color it's it's their ideologies it's their faith it's their uh their polity and forms of government

00:39:43.680 It's their traditions, their culture.

00:39:46.020 There's all these other things that makes a group of people distinct from other groups of people.

00:39:51.760 And I just feel like ethnicity is so low on the scale when it comes to diversity, because God is a God who loves diversity.

00:39:58.600 But when I think of diversity, you just hear that word diversity immediately.

00:40:01.620 You think race or LGBT, LMNOP, you know, it's either, you know, sexual something or ethnicity something.

00:40:11.000 but it's like diversity is so so much more than that there are there i mean in africa there are

00:40:16.220 multiple different nations where where people look very similar similar skin pick and in europe

00:40:22.600 multiple different nations right it's like well you're white well no technically i'm scottish or

00:40:26.680 no i'm actually irish or i'm like no you're white you know it's like well it's like but but the yeah

00:40:32.740 i may be white but but there are some rich cultures and traditions and and things depending

00:40:37.480 on which nation i'm a part of and we've just so truncated diversity in the nations every tribe

00:40:43.720 and tongue and i mean even that tongue languages there are different languages with people who may 0.61

00:40:49.280 have the same skin pigment but but speak in a whole nother way and so but we've just boiled

00:40:54.600 it all down to this issue that's a good point man i and and it's why i hate the term i mean i use it

00:41:00.980 just for cultural you know relevancy but i hate the term black and white because it actually

00:41:06.440 doesn't tell me anything about you other than your skin color right um i remember when i when

00:41:11.580 i met a met a guy a black guy he was from france and for the longest time i thought he was i mean

00:41:16.940 he had the he had the accent like one everything but he was black and i was like no way you know 0.83

00:41:23.240 it was really just showing my cultural ignorance right about like like you said like man you can 0.78

00:41:28.180 be you can you can be black and speak a total another language and be totally different from

00:41:33.840 I mean, because of where you lived and grew up, but we reduce people just to skin color.

00:41:38.960 It really just shows how fascinated we are with people's skin these days.

00:41:43.760 It's really sad. 0.76

00:41:44.760 Yeah, no, it's become, it's idolatry.

00:41:47.100 It's absolutely become idolatry.

00:41:49.380 One other, this is a random thought I've never shared on any of our shows before, but I'll

00:41:54.700 share it with you.

00:41:55.440 So in terms of, you know, like inner, you know, we're talking about interracial marriage,

00:41:59.460 taking that back to dispensationalism 0.93

00:42:02.560 which I would deny

00:42:04.480 I would not be in that camp

00:42:06.260 theologically, but I do wonder

00:42:08.080 if there really are two separate tracks

00:42:09.840 there's the church and there's Israel

00:42:11.880 ethnic Israel

00:42:13.040 I sometimes wonder

00:42:15.180 like a Native American 1.00

00:42:16.700 you can do certain tests 1.00

00:42:19.300 and you have to prove descent

00:42:21.680 you have to prove your heritage

00:42:24.200 and if you're at least

00:42:25.360 a minimum of 1 16th Cherokee

00:42:28.800 you know um you know cherokee uh indian then then there are certain scholarships and and certain

00:42:35.500 you know privileges and things like that you know that might be available to you but you have to 0.96

00:42:39.560 actually prove my point is if you intermarry for too many generations and the blood the blood gets 0.94

00:42:47.500 mixed too much um then it's like all right well like we're all like 100th cherokee by this point

00:42:54.400 because we've all, you know, like, you know, generations go by.

00:42:56.880 That's eventually what happens.

00:42:59.060 So I have wondered for our dispensational, you know, brothers and sisters,

00:43:02.520 I wonder, like, what percentage of Israelite blood will they have to be

00:43:08.820 to inherit the spiritual promises of the Old Testament that they don't?

00:43:12.340 Yeah, you know what I mean?

00:43:13.340 And if Jesus, I mean, it makes sense that if you're dispensational,

00:43:16.520 you would be premillennial because Jesus better show up soon.

00:43:19.160 It's already been 2,000 years. 0.98

00:43:22.100 Interracial marriage, if that continues much longer, 0.99

00:43:24.080 and jesus doesn't show up soon then there's not going to be any ethnic israel left we're all going 0.86

00:43:28.560 to be you know one one thousandth you know so i just even practically biologically when i it just

00:43:35.560 some some of these things including dispensationalism i'm certainly not going to

00:43:39.420 put in the same camp as you know black hebrew israelites but but all those things that just

00:43:44.260 emphasize so much race ethnicity i mean when you practically think about it and the way it plays

00:43:51.500 out um it's it's not it doesn't go anywhere good like because if you emphasize ethnicity if you

00:43:58.700 emphasize white skin black skin or or hebrew skin you know and and you think that there are spiritual

00:44:05.200 there there is a spiritual dynamic that that is contingent on skin then then the natural whether 0.52

00:44:11.880 you ever say it articulate or not the natural thought process is that that skin that blood

00:44:17.620 needs to be preserved and and and so you have to turn inward rather than outward and embracing

00:44:24.000 people from every tribe tongue and nation and you know i've got three girls and if one of them

00:44:28.060 you know bring some hispanic guy home one day when she's older and the guy loves the lord then i want

00:44:32.840 to say praise god marry my daughter you know or black guy praise god marry my daughter um but 0.87

00:44:37.980 but i feel like if if race is such a you can't say that you and you you may not never come out

00:44:43.640 against it verbally but but with your daughter though privately in your home you probably are

00:44:48.020 teaching your kids no hey we don't we don't bring people home right yeah you know what i mean like

00:44:53.400 it's just yeah i hear you racism my point is if race is a big deal racism is the necessary wall

00:45:00.860 of defense to preserve the big deal of race you can't continue to emphasize race multiple

00:45:07.760 generations from now without dividing walls of hostility to protect the purity of of the race

00:45:14.040 and i feel like even with israel ethnic israel i mean again like if if ethnic israel is is coming

00:45:22.420 into salvation or even apart from salvation if they just are coming into the first world which

00:45:27.640 they are you know and and they're traveling and intermarriage and all those kind of things then

00:45:31.160 at a certain point it's like who who is israel you know and that was part of the vody bacham

00:45:36.540 had some good stuff on this back in the day just saying that like all right like i you know i am

00:45:41.040 for israel's right to defend itself um you know the iron dome and all this amen i completely

00:45:47.180 support that israel has a right to not be wiped off the face of the planet by hamas i think that's

00:45:52.600 insane you know like people like aoc you know like oh i wish israel couldn't defend itself you know

00:45:57.780 and like no they they have now that they're there they have a right to defend themselves um but 0.66

00:46:03.160 Votie said like, but should they have been there in the first place?

00:46:05.780 Is there some, is, is there really a divine claim to land?

00:46:10.040 Does anybody have a divine claim to land?

00:46:13.120 You know, and he was, he was bringing, you know, bringing those kinds of things up.

00:46:16.180 And, and, and then even that, I think of like, and, and who has this divine claim?

00:46:21.420 Like what, what is the proof?

00:46:23.140 I think it's either Nehemiah or maybe it's Ezra, but where, where they're going to go

00:46:28.360 back.

00:46:28.800 I think it's Cyrus who supports the king of Persia and gives provisions to send a group of Israelites back to their native land in order to restore Jerusalem and the temple.

00:46:41.000 But one of the things that when they find the book of the law and they realize, oh, my gosh, we've been living like apostates and we need to turn back to the Lord with prayer and fasting and observe these prescriptions of worship and the feast of booze and all these different things.

00:46:56.060 but another thing is they realize we we've all intermarried and they actually send the the wives

00:47:04.340 and children that were not of jewish descent away and there are other people who come that

00:47:09.140 remained back in the land who want to help with the project of rebuilding the temple

00:47:12.540 and they ask to see their papers like are you actually how jewish are you are you jewish um

00:47:20.100 like are you actually israel and so i just i'm thinking that's the biblical standard for

00:47:25.200 ethnic israel the nation of israel in the old testament as they're rebuilding israel wouldn't

00:47:30.920 that be the same standard if you are dispensationalist for rebuilding israel and

00:47:36.080 fulfilling these land promises wouldn't you have to and will they be able to do that

00:47:39.840 2 000 years from now be able to show those papers and proof and yeah i feel like there's some

00:47:44.540 practical problems yeah deal with the dilemmas yeah i so i just feel like people people don't

00:47:51.040 think about that they don't and and again all of it stems from making ethnicity making it the most

00:47:57.980 important thing in the world and it's just yeah it's just not let me let me let me bring this up

00:48:02.300 because someone you know may hear this conversation and be like well just just in regards to the

00:48:07.480 hebrew israelites and be like there's so many texts that talk about gentiles being saved like

00:48:11.880 right you think of romans 116 to the jew first to the greek um you know so many texts that speak

00:48:17.740 about uh gentiles being able to be saved and so someone asked like what how do they how do they

00:48:23.160 deal with that um so any text you'll go to that says a gentile can be saved here's fundamentally

00:48:30.360 what they're going to do they're going to say it's actually an israelite in a gentile state of mind

00:48:37.120 so gentile actually they'll say can mean um an israelite who's just uh kind of uh capitulated

00:48:47.520 to the culture uh the problem is there's a there's a there's a word for that in in in the greek

00:48:53.700 right it's a hellenized jew right it's a that's right so it's so that would actually not be

00:48:59.700 correct from there but that i'm just telling you what their you know their hermeneutic is or no

00:49:04.380 that's super helpful yeah yeah so but uh i that that's been the strongest argument um for for me

00:49:11.820 to counter counteract saying well no that's a term for that you're actually looking for it

00:49:16.280 wouldn't be appropriate to call them a Gentile still, because in the same passage, you'll say

00:49:20.440 to the Israelite first and then to the Israelite, you know, it's like, well, that doesn't make

00:49:24.240 sense. Right. Or they'd have, or they'd have to say to the Jew and then to the, you know,

00:49:28.580 the Hebrew Jew, Hebraic Jew, and then to the Hellenist Jew. Yeah, you're absolutely right. 0.95

00:49:34.980 That's a good, that would be more accurate. That's a good counter. One of the passages

00:49:37.900 that I've used to show them, you know, Gentiles can be saved, where it's so clear, I mean,

00:49:44.980 is ephesians 2 11 uh through ephesians 2 11 through 13 if i could read that it says therefore

00:49:53.520 remember that at one time you gentiles in the flesh so it's like paul prophetically trying to

00:49:58.540 prove that these are real gentiles uh gentiles in the flesh called the uncircumcision by what

00:50:04.100 is called the circumcision uh which is made in the flesh by hands remember that you were at that time

00:50:08.980 separated from christ alienated from the commonwealth of israel and strangers to the

00:50:14.900 covenants of promise having no hope and without god in the world but now in christ jesus you who

00:50:21.100 were once far off have been brought near by the bullet of christ and so that's those that's one

00:50:26.040 of the strongest texts for me because it's like paul's pinning pointing that these are actual

00:50:29.780 actual gentiles they're they're gentiles of the flesh they're called the uncircumcision that was

00:50:35.440 not true of hellenized uh hellenized jews um they were they were alienated from the commonwealth 0.50

00:50:41.560 separated from christ and so uh all these were true of the of the gentile nation and so or gentile

00:50:49.340 nations and so that and then he ended with now they can be saved right now they're and then one

00:50:55.560 these two people have been made one and such a beautiful text right for those who who love the

00:51:01.000 gospel. And so that's one of the texts I've used to demonstrate Gentiles can be saved.

00:51:06.100 That's great. Well, let's go ahead and land the plane, but let's land the plane with 1.00

00:51:09.480 going back to Jesus, right? So what do they do with Jesus? Because you said that they would

00:51:17.980 reject the incarnation, the Holy Spirit coming upon Mary and her conceiving by the Holy Spirit,

00:51:28.000 but they would say that Jesus had an earthly father and you said they denied the deity of

00:51:32.520 Christ. Okay. So then what is Jesus? Is he just a prophet? What is Jesus? Yeah. Jesus is just a,

00:51:40.040 he's a, he was a, it's a black man that knows what oppression is like. He's, so he's kind of 0.88

00:51:44.840 using a more example. Yeah. Example. So, so oftentimes when you hear, like, if you just

00:51:53.460 like go and listen to them, like when they're not combating Christians, talk about Jesus,

00:51:57.440 Jesus is is is not used as a person to be admired or worshiped it's very little often it's very few

00:52:07.220 that they'll talk about Jesus you know oftentimes it's the Christian having to bring up Jesus about

00:52:12.120 you know about his deity and the gospel but but Christ is more so an example of how we are to live

00:52:18.040 our lives they have no really no view of really of substitutionary atonement they rarely talk about

00:52:24.080 the cross um and so yeah jesus is just a you know a black man right revelation one talks about him

00:52:32.220 being a black man that's what they'll say um right they'll they'll go to that text revelation one it 0.62

00:52:37.540 says you know he has hair like wool well who else has hair like wool that's the black man oh my

00:52:44.160 goodness but it's it's it's funny because there are actually a lot of people who have hair like

00:52:48.620 outside of you know but that's that's another point but that's interesting jesus is just used

00:52:54.140 as a person who knows what it's like to experience oppression from the hands of the government

00:52:58.580 nothing's changed right us black people we still experience the same thing today

00:53:02.880 like you know people they got our they got their knees on our necks right and so that's what jesus

00:53:08.580 is for them it is it's it's a it's a you know an example of how to live and matter of fact what's

00:53:14.780 going to happen when he comes back he's going to he's going to uh i mean obviously this part is

00:53:19.440 biblical but the application is wrong right he's going to crush all his enemies and um and stuff 0.91

00:53:23.900 like that well but by enemies mainly the white man you know and so yeah yeah yeah that's a pretty 0.88

00:53:30.980 racist group huh yeah it is wow wow uh but praise god but no more racist than the democratic party

00:53:39.300 in my opinion so yeah but praise god i've known some people who've abandoned that theology and

00:53:44.880 they've come to the gospel of jesus christ and so praise god um that's that's why i engage with

00:53:49.640 them you know i i gotta as paul said right a a um love for my kinsmen right i don't want people 1.00

00:53:57.120 uh in in the uh black community um you know the the minority community being just washed away 0.90

00:54:04.380 right so i'm like i feel that zeal like man i don't want to just say well just continue oh 0.98

00:54:09.420 this is too crazy uh just go with the heresy man i want to combat it you know with the gospel

00:54:14.060 amen good for you for doing that yeah my those according to my my kin my kinsmen those according

00:54:20.100 to the flesh that i think that's that's awesome i think of uh chalk knocks i i said this on an

00:54:26.040 interview we did a little while back but uh um he's with uh cross politic are you familiar with

00:54:31.240 him david shannon yes yes absolutely nobody knows his real name because he never uses it's just

00:54:36.400 chalk knox but he came up with that nickname so he's in moscow for our listeners if you're not

00:54:41.340 aware but he's with gabriel wrench and toby sumter on cross politic great podcast wonderful to

00:54:46.980 subscribe to listen to them on a regular basis but he came up with that nickname chalk knox

00:54:52.460 because of the scottish reformer john knox who famously said among many things but give me

00:54:58.020 scotland lest i die and so chalk knocks chocolate black is saying you know give me the black 0.87

00:55:04.380 community lest i die so even though he's up in moscow idaho with a bunch of white folks for the 0.96

00:55:08.820 most part um you know he's he's still he's saying all these things that i've embraced in terms of

00:55:14.060 true biblical doctrine and and all the things i'm working for and the reason i'm doing podcasts and

00:55:18.800 i'm doing this and i'm making art and film and all this kind of stuff i'm doing it first and

00:55:23.060 foremost for the glory of god and the good of all humanity all brothers and sisters in christ but

00:55:27.180 i'm also doing it um for those according to the flesh for my kinsmen for the black community

00:55:32.800 that he realizes he's the black community that is preyed upon um you know there's really in my

00:55:39.580 opinion there's no question about whether or not the black community minority communities at large

00:55:44.160 but specifically the black community is actually being oppressed the question is by who and how

00:55:49.820 Right. So I think there is oppression when I think of just abortion. Abortion affects black people much more. I mean, Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, literally talked about wanting to extinguish minority communities through birth control and abortion.

00:56:13.420 that's what she had in mind you know and and then when i think of you know just uh the the you know

00:56:18.920 the soft bigotry of low expectations you know or teaching you know from a young age you're a victim

00:56:24.560 you know you're in touch like that is um oppression that is praying p-r-e-y you know

00:56:30.560 praying upon somebody um strictly for you know on the basis of their skin and so guys like you guys

00:56:37.860 like david shannon chalk knocks to say hey no cut that out and i'm not just gonna say oh this 0.89

00:56:43.360 is dumb and this is stupid i'm going to say no but but a lot of these people are deceived they're 0.97

00:56:47.540 just deceived and they need the truth they need to be freed by the only one who has the authority 0.99

00:56:54.000 and power to set someone free the lord jesus christ absolutely bless you chris for thank you

00:56:59.460 doing that do you have any final thoughts for us man i was just blessed to be on man uh like i said

00:57:04.640 i watched the content so uh encouraged by what you guys are doing engaging the culture uh with

00:57:10.200 the gospel and giving people the truth, man. My hopes is that if, who knows, Black Hebrews

00:57:16.100 watches this, stumble across this, watches this, it's all love. I share the truth because I love

00:57:22.120 you and I want to see you come to a right saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, the true Israelite,

00:57:27.560 and then you can become a true Jew by faith. That's right. Amen. Which is way more important.

00:57:31.460 Amen. Great. Well, thanks so much for coming on the show. Absolutely.

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The NXR Podcast - March 15, 2022

THEOLOGY APPLIED - Interracial Marriage, Black Hebrew Israelites, & Dispensationalism ｜ with Kris Williams

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