00:02:33.360My name, as you said, is Jeff Childers.
00:02:35.460I'm, well, formerly a commercial litigation attorney.
00:02:38.520I live in North Central Florida. I've been practicing law for a while. In May of 2020,
00:02:48.040I felt compelled. I think the Holy Spirit just sort of grabbed me and shook me like a ragdoll,
00:02:54.840and I started filing lawsuits related to mask mandates and vaccine mandates. We were successful
00:03:02.540in our lawsuits. I think that's pretty rare. As far as I know, we have the only appellate
00:03:09.700decision in the country finding that mask mandates are presumptively unconstitutional.
00:03:15.320We got that out of the first district court of appeal in Florida, which sits over 33 counties.
00:03:21.520They deliberately did not take me up to the Supreme Court, I think because they knew that
00:03:27.760they would lose, and then it would have been the law for the whole state. We also got the first
00:03:32.960broad injunction against a vaccine mandate against the city of Gainesville, Florida.
00:03:39.680Subsequent to that, I've been involved in school board litigation. We've removed a school board
00:03:43.500member. We've gotten a superintendent removed, and I've been advising other attorneys all around
00:03:51.200the country. We have a list of allied attorneys. I've been writing a daily blog called Coffee and
00:03:57.600COVID. It's a platform that I think God gave me to use to push back against the forces that I see
00:04:08.320are working against us. And I'm sure I'm leaving some things out, but we've been very, very busy
00:04:14.220in this space. Yeah, great. Well, I'm glad that you're back on the show. Without wasting any time,
00:04:20.500let's just go ahead and hop right in. So one of the first questions that I had for you related
00:04:23.740to COVID, because I want to kind of cover the gambit with Russia and Ukraine. I want to talk
00:04:27.560about the potential, you know, supply chain issues that we already have, but then that may be
00:04:32.480affecting food shortages, all these different things. We can talk about Florida, where you're
00:04:35.820at with Ron DeSantis and Disney and the showdown there with this agenda to trans kids and to,
00:04:41.560you know, to push ideology on children. And really the proverbial question of who do children belong
00:04:46.620to? Ultimately, we know they belong to God, but who has God assigned children to? Do they belong
00:04:50.900to the state or do they belong to parents and to the home? And so we can talk about all those
00:04:55.440things, but let's start with COVID. We've seen kind of, it's like COVID disappeared, right?
00:05:00.600Putin, love them, hate them. You know, most people hate them, but we got to give them credit for
00:05:04.160curing COVID is what it seems like. The political, the science didn't change, but the political
00:05:08.560science has seemed to change. And so my question is, you know, that we've seen the Democrats
00:05:12.820moving off of our presidential administration, moving off of restrictions, lockdowns, mask
00:05:18.160mandates, all these kinds of things. But is, is this maybe too good to be true? Is this maybe
00:05:24.760just they realize that those policies are killing them in the polls? And can we expect some of these
00:05:30.600things maybe to return after the midterms? What are your thoughts? So I think that the election
00:05:38.080in virginia was extremely influential on democrats um as it was on many of us right to see that a
00:05:49.920bright blue or deep blue state like virginia could go republican across the board and remember they
00:05:57.520the republicans didn't just win um you know at the state level they got the governorship they got the
00:06:03.620AG, they, you know, all those offices, but also right down to the local levels, down to school
00:06:08.860boards and, you know, probably even dog catcher. And it was a wake up call, you know, and when you
00:06:18.280read the, some of the internal messaging that we've seen coming out of the DNC and at the White
00:06:24.880House, some of that stuff's been leaked and, you know, they're looking at that, that at particular
00:06:30.760election cycle and using it as a predictor for what might happen in the 2022 congressional
00:06:37.720elections. And that's terrifying to Democrats. And you even have a lot of the traditional
00:06:42.460left-wing publications writing open letters to Democrat leaders saying, hey, you guys have got
00:06:51.940to pay attention to this. Because what Virginia proved is that, number one, Republicans are super
00:07:00.000motivated they really hate these mandates and that's driving you know them to the polls in
00:07:06.000record numbers and a lot of democrats there was a an article um i want to say it was in the new
00:07:14.800york times where they surveyed democrats and they it was very interesting they asked them
00:07:22.160they asked democrats to self um rate on a scale of liberalism right from very liberal to moderately
00:07:31.360liberal to not very liberal but still a a democrat voter and what they found is that
00:07:39.120only the very liberal cohort were in favor of mandates and and all the other groups of democrats
00:07:48.080on that that self-rating scale were opposed to mandates and so the the article didn't
00:07:56.160say this but what jumped out to me immediately is that those other voting groups the the ones
00:08:01.280the democrats who don't like mandates are likely to vote with republicans right against a candidate
00:08:07.680who is a pro-mandate candidate now it's a thorny problem for democrats because what else they know
00:08:14.880about that group of very liberal folks who are still pro-mandate is that those are their most
00:08:20.740active volunteers and voters. Right. Right. So they can't afford to lose that group. They can't
00:08:28.560upset the regime. Yeah. And they also can't afford to lose the moderate and more conservative
00:08:35.700Democrats. So that's a problem. Right. And I think what we saw on March 1st, when Joe Biden
00:08:41.940gave a state of the union address is that attempt to thread the needle, right? To say that the
00:08:47.240pandemic is over without really saying it's over and to lift the mandates without lifting the
00:08:53.180mandates. And if you've been following the rules, sorry, if you've been following the news, then you
00:08:58.240probably noticed that in the last few days, Florida and 20 other states sued the CDC over
00:09:08.620the transportation mandate, which is one of the remaining mask mandates, right?
00:09:13.120The one that requires you to wear a mask on airplanes.
00:09:16.000It requires school kids to wear masks on school buses.
00:09:20.700And I think it's very interesting, the timing, because my guess is that the Biden administration
00:09:26.600wanted to lift that transportation mandate anyway.
00:09:29.920If you look at the financial disclosures from the airlines, travel is way down.
00:09:38.620and part of it is because of jab mandates and you know you can't go somewhere if you're not jabbed
00:09:45.240right but that's a smaller group because i think the in the u.s 68 percent of adults are vaccinated
00:09:53.440now um but i thought real quick i thought it was higher than that about 68 percent
00:09:59.320is that fully well quote unquote fully vaccinated oh gotcha so maybe higher that got like one shot
00:10:04.760or two shots and fully vaccinated just for the record, that is now three shot at two of Johnson
00:10:09.340and Johnson, but three of Moderna and Pfizer. Is that correct? Um, I don't know. Is it four now
00:10:15.280or is it 17 now? What, what, what is fully vaccinated now? I think it's going to depend
00:10:20.520on who you're asking. Um, that, that definition is, has gotten very fluid. Um, and I think
00:10:28.060they're all so different. Um, they're, they're using it differently for different purposes,
00:10:32.520Right. So without getting into all of that and sticking with the airline thing that, you know, their their numbers are way down.
00:10:41.720And one thing we know for sure is people hate those mask mandates.
00:10:46.280Everybody knows that. And the airlines have more or less at their management level indicated to to Congress and the administration that they want those those mandates removed.
00:10:58.000So with the combination of the political pressures and the combination of the pressures from the airlines themselves and the general population, I think Biden would have lifted those.
00:11:08.940I don't know why they've been slow. That's sort of the last one. But I think it's to to, you know, to deal with that that group of very liberal Democrat voters and to, you know, give them a a, you know, recognition.
00:11:29.900Right. Their concerns are important, too. And so they were slow to lift the airplane mandates.
00:11:35.760But but DeSantis was very clever in filing this lawsuit now because Biden would have lifted the mandate anyway.
00:11:45.540And so if he does it, it'll look like he's done it because Florida sued.
00:11:50.060Yeah, that's good. That's shrewd. Jesus, you know, sometimes Christians, it's like, yeah, we want to be as innocent as does.
00:11:56.060but we're called to be also as shrewd as vipers and Jesus even, you know, he tells the parable of
00:12:00.440the steward, the manager in his master's house and his master goes on a long trip and he knows
00:12:06.220that he's probably about to be fired. And so he's trying to, you know, to give himself an off ramp.
00:12:11.520And so he goes to all these people who are, you know, debtors to his master and he lowers their
00:12:15.520debt. You know, do you owe my master a hundred bushels of wheat? You know, go ahead and make
00:12:20.080it 70, you know, and he, you know, down the line. And so he's creating relationships and network
00:12:24.860for himself so that when the master puts down the hammer and he no longer has a good rapport
00:12:29.980with the master, he has a good rapport with other people. And you would think he isn't,
00:12:33.400he's stealing from his master, you know, but what's surprising about the end of the parable
00:12:38.080when Jesus kind of reveals the moral is that Jesus uses this parable to illustrate the principle
00:12:43.140of shrewdness. And he says, the sons of darkness are more shrewd than the sons of light. And what
00:12:49.660he's saying ultimately is that Christians should be shrewd. And it takes a lot of discernment and
00:12:55.020a lot of spiritual maturity and understanding of the word of God to find this razor edge line
00:13:00.880in between deception and shrewdness. Christians are not called to be deceitful, but we are called
00:13:08.380to be shrewd. I like Doug Wilson. He's had a really helpful commentary throughout the last
00:13:12.720two years of madness with cultural commentary. And one of the things he talks about is, well,
00:13:16.740is it a sin to wear camouflage in battle? Isn't that a deception? Isn't that a lie? You're telling
00:13:22.640somebody that I'm not here when you actually are here. And so he just is trying to show that there
00:13:27.900are ways of being shrewd, but that is not immoral. That's not an outright falsehood or a lie that
00:13:35.500would be a sin. And so, yeah, I think that all that, back to Ron DeSantis, I think that that
00:13:40.540is a shrewd play that is not wrong, but commendable. So all that being said, a couple of stats that
00:13:47.020have stood out to me lately, CDC, I think they said like 85% of all COVID deaths were people
00:13:52.240who had not one, not two, not three, but four, simultaneously four comorbidities. So with the
00:13:58.160question of dying from COVID versus of COVID, 85% of these deaths, and then the CDC recently lowered
00:14:05.180The overall, all that being as it is, still in addition to that, they lowered by I think 72,000 all of the COVID deaths in America and said, whoops, you know, I guess we overcounted.
00:14:17.660So 85% of them are these people with four comorbidities, which seems to heavily imply these are deaths with COVID rather than of COVID.
00:14:26.780Then you got 72,000 just taken right off of the number.
00:14:30.200And then another stat recently came out that for those who are under the age of 65, that in 2020, in the year 2020, that there were more alcohol-related deaths than COVID deaths for those under the age of 65.
00:14:45.580And that doesn't even begin, and we know that, I mean, I think it was a 25% bump. Alcohol-related deaths have, for multiple years running, have increased by about 3% to 4% each year, but it bumped all of a sudden from 2019 to 2020 by 25%.
00:15:02.960And so you have more alcohol-related deaths than COVID deaths in 2020 for those who are
00:15:09.580And that doesn't even account for suicide deaths, other drug-related overdose deaths,
00:15:15.060and then things that are not deaths, but still detrimental in terms of depression and anxiety,
00:15:20.500child development being delayed, you know, because you can't learn how to talk when you're
00:15:25.340two if you can't see adults' faces, you know, because they're covered in masks.
00:15:28.920And so it just seems like the verdict is coming back in in wave after wave after wave of not feelings or not hunches, but hard, cold evidence that we did more harm than good.
00:16:33.740The other thing I would add to your comments is and I try to stay away from conspiracy theories.
00:16:40.280I'm a lawyer. Right. And what I mean by conspiracy theory, I don't mean anything negative about that, because we've seen a lot of conspiracy theories like the Wuhan lab leak theory.
00:16:49.880Right. Turn into fact. Right. And even the bio labs in Ukraine.
00:16:53.740So, yeah, the difference between the conspiracy and the truth is usually three to six months.
00:16:57.360But I know I think what you mean is you try to stick away from making assertions based off of speculation.
00:17:02.660You want to have evidence. You're a lawyer. Is that what you're saying?
00:17:06.520But I usually my litmus test is could I prove this in court?
00:17:09.700Good. Right. And by prove in court, you don't have to have 100 percent proof.
00:17:14.840You just have to meet the standard of proof. Right.
00:17:17.200So you can prove things that that you can't conclusively prove, but you can prove it to a level in court.
00:17:22.700that satisfies a judge or jury. So one of the things that we know is true and that I could
00:17:30.820prove in court, and I could, I could prove this one conclusively is that excess deaths
00:17:34.960in the U S are high. Right. And so what excess deaths means is they look at the number of the
00:17:44.700average number of deaths from all causes. Okay. Whatever, whatever cause it is, they just don't
00:17:49.840worry about the cause, but somebody died and then they compare that to a baseline. And the baseline
00:17:55.400is the aggregate, you know, the average from all the years in the 10 or 20 years previous, depending
00:18:00.260on what model you're looking at. And you can either be above or below that baseline. Right.
00:18:06.480And so this is an important statistic. So you might have a really bad flu season
00:18:12.100and we're not perfect at keeping track of people who die from flu. So you just want to,
00:18:18.140Let's just look and see where we are in excess deaths. Right. The overall increase. Right. Exactly. So during that flu season, hey, one hundred thousand people died more than in a regular fall season.
00:18:31.420And so now we can say, well, you know, we probably circumstantially a lot of those are related to this hard flu season because we don't have any other explanation for why there should be excess deaths.
00:18:44.740Well, what we know is that during the pandemic, there have been two inflection points on excess deaths, right? So there was a spike in excess deaths in March of 2020. And those are probably related to COVID. And especially as COVID moved through the nursing homes and the elderly and at-risk populations, right? You saw a lot of-
00:19:05.740Right. We would call those Andrew Cuomo deaths.
00:19:08.100plus yeah uh and gretchen whitmer and you know a bunch of others that haven't had to pay the
00:19:17.440piper yet but right um in addition those would be your lockdown deaths right so your suicides and
00:19:24.400you know in particular moving through through 2020 well there was a second inflection point
00:19:29.760And that was in December of 2020. And again, we don't know for sure. Right. But it wasn't COVID because at that time, you know, all you had was a lot of immunity that was built up by COVID survivors.
00:19:45.500And plus in December of 2020, you had the rollout of the vaccines, which is supposed to reduce COVID mortality, right?
00:19:55.620They tell us that, hey, you know, they now admit another conspiracy theory, which is that the vaccines don't prevent transmission.
00:20:02.960OK, maybe they don't prevent transmission, they say, but they reduce serious illness and death.
00:20:08.400Okay, so as the vaccines are deployed in December 2020, you're expecting to see excess deaths coming down, right? But in fact, what we see is an increasing trend of excess deaths from December 2020.
00:20:25.140there's a spike in the summer of 21. And then where we are now is we're on an increasing
00:20:33.820trajectory. We don't know where it's going to peak, if it'll come back down again, but we're
00:20:38.360substantially above the baseline as we sit today, right now, right? A huge, huge amount of excess
00:20:46.740deaths. And I think, you know, probably all your viewers are familiar by now. It was widely
00:20:51.960reported. You know, one of the executives at one of the insurance companies came out and said
00:20:57.580that, you know, what they're looking at is a mortality event that is consistent with three
00:21:04.440gigantic natural disasters combined. And what he was referring to, they're paying claims, right?
00:21:11.740Right. It's that are way above the average level of claims that they plan for, even allowing for
00:21:19.120three natural disasters. That's where they are. So what he's referring to is that level of excess
00:21:26.060deaths that, I mean, you can find that in the government statistics right now. It's not
00:21:30.840controversial, but it's not widely reported in the media. So we have this excess deaths,
00:21:37.660real quick, just to recap, we have this, not just the spike. So we had the spike in March,
00:21:42.0802020, and we're willing to say, okay, some of that was COVID probably. And some of that also
00:21:45.440was related to lockdowns, maybe suicide or, you know, anxiety induced or alcohol induced or
00:21:51.060whatever. But then there's this other spike that happens in December 2020, but then it doesn't go
00:21:55.600back down to the baseline because by the summer of 2021, it's just not just one month, but month
00:22:02.300after month from 2021 to where we sit today, just consistently above the baseline of excess deaths.
00:22:09.600And simultaneously, what we have to factor in is that we have more vaccinated individuals than ever before, and we also have the effects of Omicron, which was mild, did not produce a lot of deaths, but also pervasive, very, very transmissible, which means that we should have, just from time passing by, two years, but then with Omicron also, and then with the vaccine, we should have the highest immunity today.
00:22:38.600today than ever before. And yet you're saying that the excess deaths are still there. Therefore,
00:22:44.940it must be related to something else. What do you think?
00:22:48.400So that raises the question, what is causing the excess deaths? And so there are two things that
00:22:55.660I can observe. I don't have an answer. Nobody has an answer. And as a lawyer, I don't even
00:23:01.840have any evidence to put on in court, but I can observe a couple of things. So the first thing
00:23:07.160i observe is a widespread lack of media curiosity in the reason for historic levels of excess deaths
00:23:16.240okay so that means something right um you know i could speculate as to what it means based on
00:23:23.920the way i've seen the media behave in the past but that would be speculation
00:23:27.260i'm just observing that there you you know it's curious that given how interested the media was
00:23:36.560in COVID deaths, the media has a corresponding lack of curiosity in the mysterious cause of all
00:23:45.100of these excess deaths that we're seeing. Yeah. Good observation. So that's observation number
00:23:49.780one. And then the second one is that when, when there have been articles related to the excess
00:23:55.440desk the the um you know i would call mild curiosity that's been expressed has resulted in a
00:24:06.960set of guesses that typically reduced to and this goes to your original point
00:24:13.760that typically reduced to speculation by the experts that are interviewed for these news
00:24:20.240article saying that it might be, again, just they're speculating too, it might be deferred
00:24:28.340medical care that is causing all of the excess deaths that we're seeing.
00:24:35.000Like elective surgeries and things like that that were all postponed?
00:24:39.240So during lockdowns, when you weren't allowed to go to the hospital or you were too afraid
00:24:44.140to go to the hospital because the fear of getting COVID was greater than the fear of
00:24:48.420deferring your your treatment uh those people put off their health care and so now we're paying the
00:24:55.740piper from all this deferred health care right so right and real quick just uh for our listeners
00:25:01.100elective surgeries doesn't just mean like you know getting plastic surgery and a facelift it
00:25:05.980elective surgeries many of them are very serious things things that are life-threatening that a
00:25:10.720person has to have surgery but it's just not immediate immediately urgent but that doesn't
00:25:15.320mean that the surgery is not necessary. It is a surgery that must happen eventually, or the person
00:25:21.860could die. And so even an elective surgery, that sounds like an insignificant, unnecessary surgery,
00:25:28.720but these many of them are necessary surgeries. There's just a longer time gap, but that time
00:25:33.300gap is not indefinite. And if it's pushed off too long, it really could cost the person's life.
00:25:39.280Is that correct? Sure. Yeah. And a good example, I think, would be, you know, somebody whose doctor
00:25:44.660recommends that they get a stent put in, uh, you know, a cardiac stent and, uh, but it's not
00:25:50.640mandatory, right? So it's just something you need to do soon, as soon as you can get it scheduled
00:25:56.420to fit with your calendar. And so that's something that can easily be deferred by that person.
00:26:02.360Um, the, the other one that you see, uh, discussed a lot are, um, deferred things,
00:26:08.020screenings, right? So cancer screenings, breast cancer, um, uh, prostate cancer screenings,
00:26:14.260things like that. And so there's, you know, some speculation that people having deferred those
00:26:19.860screenings, now they're getting the cancers that would have been caught and treated had they not
00:26:25.360deferred those examinations. So there's a lot you could say about that, right? So if they're correct,
00:26:33.680then these would be additional casualties of the lockdowns that you were referring to before.
00:26:39.280That's right. And and if that trend line continues in that that delta, the gap right of excess deaths, that bolus of excess deaths is going to continue to increase the casualties that are directly attributable to lockdowns.
00:26:54.620And it is conceivable that we will pass the COVID mortality, which is, as you also pointed
00:27:01.720out correctly, the COVID mortality is currently decreasing as the CDC is now tightening the
00:27:08.220standards on what can be considered a COVID death.
00:27:10.820It's resulting in a reduction of the total.
00:27:13.440So I think it's down over 12% now from the maximum.
00:27:18.500So while the, you know, the COVID deaths are coming down, the lockdown related or deferred medical care related, if that's the explanation, are increasing and they may cross at some point.
00:27:29.940Right. And that's just one factor from the lockdowns, you know, in terms of deferred health care.
00:27:34.360And then there's also we can we can draw a pretty straight correlation to substance abuse, alcoholism, suicide.
00:27:40.820We wouldn't necessarily count all suicides, but again, we would look at the baseline from
00:27:44.380previous years, and then we'd look at the spike, that the excess suicide deaths, and
00:27:48.580we could probably say, well, what novel thing happened in 2020 and 2021 that would cause
00:27:54.380this excess, and COVID lockdowns and those kinds of things are a pretty sound explanation.
00:27:59.200And then I think, I'm curious to pick your brain on this, but it seems like there's deferred
00:28:02.940healthcare, but then there's also the possibility of just, did we at some level as a society
00:28:09.840Are we paying the piper with deferred healthcare, but are we also paying the piper by just having everybody in isolation and quarantine for a long time and then other sicknesses apart from COVID are now maybe hitting us all at once or hitting us harder?
00:28:24.380In order to avoid COVID, did we build up a wave of flu or other kinds of things that are going to affect us more severely now because we weakened our immune systems by not living normal life?
00:28:42.620Yeah, I think that there's something to that.
00:28:46.080I mean, you know, all of the excessive cleaning and hand washing and isolation and that sort of thing certainly reduced the normal exercise that our immune systems get from just being exposed to pathogens in the world.
00:29:05.600and you know what we know you get there's this thing called you know bubble boy syndrome where
00:29:11.700you over protect and your immune system atrophies and you become susceptible to
00:29:17.160to illnesses that other people wouldn't be but there's a there's another issue that's related
00:29:22.400to that that's worth discussion and that is we're seeing more and more a discussion of a
00:29:28.940syndrome known as original antigenic sin. So it's a reference to the biblical concept of original
00:29:38.980sin with the insertion of that word antigenic. So OAS is the acronym that you see in the medical
00:29:45.800literature. And this refers to a side effect of the vaccines. And it's a side effect that's been
00:29:52.880known in vaccinology long predating the covid vaccines and what it refers to is a
00:30:03.360a curious artifact that when a person is exposed to a vaccine they develop antibodies for
00:30:13.360that pathogen but also specific antibodies highly specific antibodies for that particular variant
00:30:22.560is the simple explanation as opposed to someone whose immune system encounters the variant in
00:30:27.680the environment and they develop a more broad antibody response and so what happens in the
00:30:35.520original antigenics in the oas scenario is that the person then subsequently encounters a variant
00:30:42.320of the original pathogen to which the antibodies are not effective but the body continues producing
00:30:50.080the original antibodies and is not aware that they're ineffective against the variant that is
00:30:57.680the body's normal system to detect that are defeated by this uh particular syndrome that's
00:31:03.200related to to vaccines and in previous pandemics and epidemics there has been a consensus among
00:31:12.000scientists that you don't begin vaccination until after the the the you know main activity of the
00:31:19.840The pandemic has resolved and you've got a well-known established variant that you can treat because of this OAS problem.
00:31:29.060And so there is a lot of speculation in the literature more and more all the time that one of the reasons we're seeing negative vaccine efficacy, meaning that vaccinated people now appear to be more likely to be infected with COVID than unvaccinated people.
00:31:47.020And so one of the hypotheses to explain this is that we're starting to see the product of original antigenic sin due to vaccinating too early in the pandemic and people's immune systems getting locked into those original variants and antibodies for those original variants.
00:32:08.800wuhan one what they they call that original covid variant and they're unable to deal with
00:32:14.880variants like omicron or what they're now calling ba2
00:32:20.260which is the the newer more transmissible form of omicron yeah which is crazy to think that you
00:32:28.720know alpha or wuhan one you know and then to delta and delta was about two times as transmissible
00:32:34.080And then they said Omicron was 70 times Delta, so 140 times the transmissibility than the original variant.
00:32:41.860And then we're saying that, is it A2? Is that what it is?
00:32:46.820BA2 is, I think people are saying, anywhere from 40 to 70% more transmissible than Omicron.
00:32:52.520So if you do the math, you're basically saying that now we have a variant that is legitimately 200 times plus the original variant in terms of transmissibility.
00:33:02.960And the whole rhetoric from the very beginning was that COVID to begin with, with the original variant was the most transmissible, you know, the, the, the, are not was through the roof and all these kinds of things. And, and, and so it's like, yeah, I don't, I don't feel like we, we helped ourselves very much.
00:33:20.280So, yeah, there's a lot of head scratchers as we get, you know, later in the pandemic, which is another reason for the politicians to go ahead and let's move past it.
00:33:32.740Right. And stop talking about it so much.
00:33:35.060So that was my next question. You kind of already covered some of it, but I want to throw the question out there regardless, because you might have something else that you want to add.
00:33:43.480But I have written here, do you think there will be any long term side effects to the vaccine?
00:33:47.800If so, what do you think these side effects are?
00:33:49.600And you already mentioned the original antigenic sin.
00:35:21.980You'll probably remember all the criticism of the slow rollout of the vaccines and the
00:35:26.800trouble getting them to people and having to set up, you know, deals with Publix and
00:35:32.040um, CVS and other locations to the private public, private partnerships to get the vaccines out
00:35:38.180and all of that. So, um, those, you know, first few months of, of 21, um, it was a lower volume
00:35:45.280anyway. So we really don't have that much experience yet with a large number of vaccines
00:35:54.860into a one-year horizon. But we are starting to see more moving through December, January,
00:36:02.080February of 21, now into December 21, January, February 22, and so forth. We're starting to see
00:36:10.040that. And what I observe as a lawyer, as a person who's looking for facts that I could present to
00:36:17.420a judge or jury, I noticed that all of the news about adverse effects and longer term effects
00:36:24.720is bad, is negative for the vaccines. And there's very little good news about that.
00:36:33.280So what I mean by that is that if I'm looking for a trend, right? And so there are a couple
00:36:41.720possibilities. One possibility is that as we get news about the efficacy of the vaccines and the
00:36:48.920longer-term implications and the health issues people are dealing with, that we see good news,
00:36:53.220right? We could see that people are doing great that have been on the vaccines, that their health
00:36:57.680has improved, that the death rates in vaccinated cohorts are declining relative to
00:37:04.900unvaccinated and so forth, but we're not seeing that. The second possibility is the news is mixed,
00:37:10.900Right. So there's some there's some areas where we're seeing some really good news related to to the vaccines over the space of that first year and then some bad news.
00:37:20.580And it would be hard to net it out. We're not seeing that either.
00:37:24.020What we're seeing is that almost all of the news relentlessly is negative for side effects related to the vaccines.
00:37:31.800And there's a concept of subclinicality that you don't hear talked about much, but I think is very important related to this issue.
00:37:45.360And what subclinicality is about is, you know, right now we know that there is, there are side effects, adverse effects related to the vaccines that are related to cardiac issues, right?
00:38:01.460So myocarditis, pericarditis, that kind of thing.
00:38:05.560And so we're learning about that because people are going into the hospital with these conditions or, you know, having blood clots and strokes and cardiac events and things like that.
00:38:16.100But what we don't know about are how many people who are having cardiac related injuries that are below a level requiring hospitalization or direct treatment.
00:38:28.540Right. So they may have some AFib, but it's not bad enough that they're feeling like they have to go into the hospital or talk to their doctor or something.
00:38:39.300We have no way to measure that. One of the unfortunate byproducts of the, you know, sort of the tools that the government used to create artificial levels of fear and anxiety about the vaccines in order to encourage people to take them that we now know about that they, you know, were using these techniques to essentially propaganda techniques to encourage
00:39:09.300higher levels of vaccination it's made people reluctant to talk about adverse effects
00:39:16.420and so there's a it's made it very difficult to measure the true level of adverse effects
00:39:25.140in particular in that subclinical cohort where they don't need medical attention because
00:39:30.820they're unwilling to self-report to some degree right we can't measure to what degree
00:39:38.580and we can't measure how many of them are having those subclinical effects, but it is reasonable
00:39:44.200to think that they are out there in greater numbers than the numbers that we know about
00:39:49.420who are going into the hospital for treatment. Right. Okay. And so then the question, I think
00:39:56.320where you were going is what will the harvest be from, you know, all of those folks who are
00:40:03.720experiencing right now, these subclinical levels, is it going to shorten their lives?
00:40:08.580Right. Right. Are they more likely to to have cardiac events when they have extreme stress or high levels of exercise or things like that?
00:40:19.840So it's impossible to say, but it's not looking good right now.
00:40:25.400And, and I don't mean that to frighten anybody who's had the vaccine, the, the numbers of people who are experiencing adverse events is still very small as a proportion to the total number of people who have been vaccinated.
00:40:39.960It's much higher than any drug that should have ever been approved by the FDA.
00:40:47.720So what Dr. McCullough does a really good job of explaining this.
00:40:52.560And, you know, before the COVID vaccines, if in a clinical trial, they had hit 50 deaths, they would have pulled the drug and they would have stopped the clinical trial.
00:41:03.480Now, what we've seen in recent document dumps from Pfizer ordered by the court that in the Pfizer clinical trials, they hit 1223 deaths.
00:48:18.520OK, so when you have a shortage of anything, but food is in a special category of things that people can't live without.
00:48:30.140Right. So there's some goods like yachts.
00:48:32.320Right. And so if the supply of yacht goes down, yachts go down, not many people are hurt by that and not many people freak out or do do something else.
00:48:40.920And there's other substitutes. Right. So you can you can go on a cruise ship instead of buying a yacht or, you know, do do other things.
00:48:46.300But for food, food is something that people can't live without and there aren't any good substitutes for it.
00:48:54.180Okay. So if you don't have food, it's not like you can watch it on TV or something like that. I mean, you know, or wait until you put it off for a few months, you've got to have it.
00:49:06.740So when we talk about a shortage, what we're saying is that the supply is reduced. We have a reduced supply of whatever that good is. So in the case of a food shortage, we have less supply of food.
00:49:17.680And that all makes sense. And there's nothing particularly interesting or controversial about that.
00:49:22.220But what the law of supply and demand says is that when the supply goes down, the price goes up.
00:49:29.700There's a famous graph and it's got an X in the middle of it. And, you know, it has to do with supply.
00:49:34.940And so when you have high supply, prices are low, right? High supply, low prices.
00:49:40.880when supply is low prices are high there's an inverse relationship in supply and demand and
00:49:48.060that and those those lines get more extreme the less able people are to find substitutes for a
00:49:56.500good gotcha and since food is one of those goods where it's very difficult to find a substitute
00:50:03.960or impossible to find a substitute that inverse relationship is very extreme so as the food
00:50:10.320shortage becomes more pronounced as the supply gets less and less, the prices spike. They go
00:50:16.680astronomical. Okay. So the first thing that people should observe about that is that food shortages
00:50:24.120will hurt lower income countries more than higher income countries. Now they're going to hurt higher
00:50:32.480income countries because more, a greater proportion of your budget is going to go to buy food, which
00:50:37.880means that you're going to the way you're going to handle substitutions is you're going to buy
00:50:41.440less of other things because more of your budget is consumed by foods but you're probably not going
00:50:47.380to go without food but in third world countries they don't have room in their budget they can't
00:50:57.620take away from their vacation and from that new car that they're not going to buy and other places
00:51:02.820like higher income first world countries can, they're just not going to buy food and they're
00:51:08.220going to starve if the food shortages are bad enough. And so the people who are going to be
00:51:13.640hurt the worst by these food shortages are the people less able to accommodate those increased
00:51:20.980prices. They won't have any choice. And so the food will go to the countries with money to pay
00:51:27.640for it um you know if it gets to the point where americans are starving then the rest of the world
00:51:34.240is going to get wiped out yeah it's going to be starvation on a scale you've never seen before
00:51:39.140so we're going to pay a lot more for food and third world countries people are going to be
00:51:45.280starving and then the question is um are we accounting for those potential deaths in whatever
00:51:54.000calculation we're making in how we approach the ukraine russia conflict and when i say you can't
00:52:01.680crane russia conflict i'm not you know implying that that i don't believe it's a war or or
00:52:07.040whatever that's not it what's happening to the ukrainian people is horrible uh it needs to stop
00:52:13.040russia needs to get out of ukraine but the question is diplomatically politically
00:52:17.600geopolitically how you know do we as the united states of america respond should we should we be
00:52:23.360having our president going out and saying that that putin can't remain in office and essentially
00:52:28.520threatening regime regime change in russia and i know uh you know biden came out recently and
00:52:35.580denied that he meant that it he was calling for regime change but the question is not what he
00:52:40.520meant the the question the the more significant question is how did russia take it right not what
00:52:48.000biden said but what did putin hear and when you're talking about putin you're talking about a guy who
00:52:52.840is, so on the one hand, I'll say a couple of things that are unpopular. Putin is a nationalist
00:52:59.800and I prefer a nationalist to a globalist. That said, I think he's a nationalist war thug. So I0.95
00:53:05.740don't think he's a good guy by any stretch of the imagination. Putin in some ways reminds me of Trump
00:53:10.040a little bit, that he's not the kind of guy that you want to tick off. He's desperate and he's
00:53:17.240already been shocked by the lack of success, and you have to hand it to Ukrainians, the fact that
00:53:25.320they have held off troops that far outnumber their own. I think Putin really thought that this was
00:53:32.020going to be, they say Rome wasn't conquered in a day. Well, I think Putin thought that Ukraine
00:53:37.240was going to be conquered in a day, or at least certain parts of it, and has been remarkably,
00:53:41.760He's been remarkably unsuccessful with his invasion, which means you already have a guy
00:53:46.940who, who seems to have some problems, some, some insecurity, fragile, you know, kind of
00:53:53.380problems, just his personality, his disposition.
00:53:55.340And then that coupled with situationally being unsuccessful.
00:53:59.380And then you have, he's got a report back.
00:54:02.000He can't, he can't, he's the kind of guy, it seems as though he's the kind of guy, both
00:54:06.660by disposition and circumstantially what's happening that cannot afford to lose.
00:54:11.540he has to have some kind of win. And so if you challenge a guy like that, it's like a guy
00:54:16.180standing on a ledge. If you're trying to de-escalate the situation, and it's not just a
00:54:22.120guy standing on a ledge threatening his own life with suicide. To make the illustration more
00:54:26.760accurate, it's a guy standing on a ledge holding two children who would die also. And if you're
00:54:32.580at the bottom, you don't want to say, you drop those children or we'll shoot you in the head.1.00
00:54:39.700like that's not your first you know i mean you don't want to necessarily lead with that0.99
00:54:44.300putin needs some kind of off-ramp and you're absolutely right there you know nobody i believe
00:54:50.180in sovereign nations i believe in ukraine's right to defend itself i believe that they have a right
00:54:54.300to police their borders um all the democrats you know in our nation believe that i wish they
00:54:58.180believed about our nation policing our borders and everything that they believe about ukraine i wish
00:55:02.480they believed about america but all that being said i do think those are biblical principles
00:55:06.280God sets up nations. Nations are God's idea. The nations eventually are Jesus' inheritance. He's
00:55:11.980coming back for the nations. God appoints borders and times and all these different things. So I
00:55:17.700support Ukraine in all that regard. But liberals always think in terms of solutions, free ice cream
00:55:23.840for everyone. And that's just not the way the world works. The world typically works in terms
00:55:28.880of liberties and cost, not just solutions, but cost and concessions. And you're absolutely right
00:55:35.200to say there may be a cost to Ukraine in order to counter a larger cost of global starvation.
00:55:43.740Is that some of what you're getting at? Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think that
00:55:47.980we would hope that our leaders are considering the entire picture and not just, you know,
00:55:56.580teaching putin a lesson or uh you know winning a war or whatever they're you know the the diplomats
00:56:05.920should be working full out on both sides right putin's got some and and by the way i i'm an
00:56:13.700anti-communist since i was a fetus right so um and and putin is a former kgb uh czar right and
00:56:21.980the person i would least trust in the entire world and i don't like communists i don't trust them and
00:56:28.480i don't trust putin but he has enunciated some legitimate grievances right so he doesn't want
00:56:36.220nato in ukraine he doesn't want ukraine to become a nato country and he doesn't want
00:56:41.540nato military assets in ukraine right on his border and you know what all of us can understand
00:56:46.160that we wouldn't want china entering into some strategic military partnership with mexico
00:56:51.720and moving chinese military assets in there right we would probably do something about that right
00:56:57.140okay so so i'm going to put that one under the category of a legitimate grievance that
00:57:01.620that putin has now he's also complained about uh these biolabs to the un which is where he's
00:57:10.180supposed to take it right and the un didn't do anything and the media first fact checked that
00:57:17.660biolab story as false and then had to admit that it's true because we do have biolabs in ukraine
00:57:23.240and you know what again if china was building biolabs in mexico we probably wouldn't be happy
00:57:28.800about that right okay so that's a legitimate grievance that putin has now are we negotiating
00:57:34.160in good faith to you know reassure the russians hey okay we don't want global starvation we we
00:57:40.740will agree not to put nato assets in ukraine and you know what it was a bad idea for us to open up
00:57:46.880those bio labs you're right we're sorry we're closing them we'll never do it again okay is that
00:57:52.860on the table because and it may be i hope that it is behind the scenes right i hope that it's a
00:57:58.180need-to-know thing and we don't know because we don't need to know but i'm not sensing that
00:58:03.020instead i'm sensing kind of a lot of um bellicose rhetoric and escalation yeah yeah yeah rather than
00:58:11.240hey let's let's diffuse this situation and let's help russia get out of ukraine as quickly as
00:58:17.560possibly as possible but let's you know let's address some of these legitimate things that
00:58:24.560the russians not let's just you know right now it seems like we just want to call the russians evil
00:58:28.500and like there's no justification or explanation for what they're doing when a child could see
00:58:34.700that putin's got some legitimate issues right let's deal with those issues that's that's all
00:58:40.200i'm saying i completely agree and i think part of the reason so it's like it seems you know like
00:58:45.560common sense let's diffuse the situation not just for the sake and diffusing the situation just to
00:58:50.520be clear i'm aware of of uh liberties and costs i'm aware of you know cost benefit analysis so i
00:58:56.720understand when i say diffuse the situation i understand that diffusing the situation
00:59:00.540includes in that a cost to ukraine and perhaps an unfair cost to ukraine and i'm aware of that but
00:59:08.600I'm talking about the cost to Ukraine as an American who's not in Ukraine, who won't pay
00:59:13.780that cost. And so I recognize the dilemma here. But a cost to Ukraine in order to avoid a global
00:59:22.140cost of food shortages and energy crisis and all these other, and of course, the potential of
00:59:28.220outright war, worldwide war. And so- From a nuclear destruction.
00:59:34.420Yeah, absolutely. So that's something that seems like a pretty big deal that even Ukraine
00:59:38.420would benefit by not having, you know, there not being a global nuclear war. So, all that being
00:59:42.880said, you know, cost and benefits, diffusing. And my point is to say, it seems like common sense
00:59:49.780would suggest we need to diffuse here. And I wonder sometimes if, you know, part of it, I think,
00:59:55.420you know, Biden is senile. And I think, you know, like there's, I think some of it really is just,
00:59:59.320he doesn't know where he is and he doesn't know what he's saying. But then part of it, you know,
01:00:03.040I also wonder, is some of this intentional, right? So I think it was Chesterton that said,
01:00:10.300never attribute to malice what can be easily explained by stupidity. But even stupidity1.00
01:00:16.920gets things right occasionally, just by the laws of average. But when you get everything wrong and0.99
01:00:23.360you're never right on anything ever, like the fact that Biden has never been right in 48 years0.99
01:00:28.460of his government career on any foreign policy, then at that point, stupidity can't even explain1.00
01:00:34.200that level of failure. And it seems as though maybe there is some kind of malice. And when I1.00
01:00:40.880think of what the motives might be there, and of course, this is speculation, I admit that,
01:00:45.560I wonder if there's maybe a hidden motive not to diffuse global tensions and what's corresponding
01:00:53.220right now between Russia and Ukraine, because if we diffuse that, then the focus has to shift back
01:00:58.140to what's going on at home. And none of it's good. And none of it bides well for Democrats
01:01:05.040heading up to midterm election. And so I wonder if there's a procrastination in diffusing the
01:01:11.880situation over here in order to distract people, namely American citizens, long enough to get
01:01:18.020through November at home. That's one of my thoughts, at least. Yeah. And again, you're
01:01:25.240inviting me to enter into that realm of speculation. You don't have to. I am throwing
01:01:29.840it out there myself. You don't have to join me if you don't want to. Yeah. Obviously,
01:01:35.040there's a lot of theories floating around. And what I found it more profitable to do,
01:01:39.600and we're not going to be able to do it this time because I have a plane waiting on me and
01:01:42.700they just gave me the headset that it's ready. But we can do it another time. And that is,
01:01:48.840I find it much more profitable to look at at what groups have incentives based on the existence of this conflict. Right.
01:01:59.700And we can say we hope that these like, you know, for example, the U.S. defense industry.
01:02:05.760OK, so they profit. We're when the Congress talks about sending a 14 billion dollar aid package to Ukraine, they're not talking about shipping them pallets of cash like the Iranians got.
01:02:16.900right they're talking about sending them war material and that war material is going to be
01:02:22.760purchased from u.s defense contractors like general electric raytheon um you know and so
01:02:28.940forth and and that's fine and that's what they they exist for right they they're legal they make
01:02:35.620uh bombs and tanks and guns and things like that and that's fine but we need to be winning
01:02:43.300and aware of the fact that their incentives are sort of on the opposite side of diffusing the
01:02:49.100conflict. That's a good point. And we hope that they do the right thing and we hope that they
01:02:53.400make the right choices, but they're also facing counter incentives. And then we can start to look
01:03:00.780at some other groups in the current geopolitical landscape, who are other groups that have
01:03:07.600incentives for further conflict instead of less conflict. And I think we can have a pretty
01:03:13.180productive conversation about that because we can all agree, no matter what side you're on,
01:03:17.660that we need to reduce those negative conflicts wherever we can, or negative incentives wherever
01:03:22.720we can, right? In order to then reduce the conflict. Absolutely. Jeff Childers, you got
01:03:28.120to catch a plane, but this has been very helpful. It's always a pleasure getting to have you on
01:03:33.000twice. And I think a third time's the charm. So I'd love to have you again sometime and
01:03:36.640maybe we can talk more about, well, we'll see what's going on in our crazy world at that time.
01:03:41.260But thank you for coming on the show. Thanks, Pastor. Good talking to you.
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