00:20:16.900if anybody knows what date it is leave it in the comments because christians we need to be aware
00:20:23.120not to be aggressive but to be defensive to be wise and shrewd and careful um god forbid i mean
00:20:28.900it could all just be a hoax but these things happen you know and and so and i think about
00:20:33.800you know like local churches that you know that preach the gospel that preach the scripture that
00:20:38.860preach you know male and female he created them that god is god and that we are not uh that god
00:20:44.380determines um our sex from the womb and our gender is synonymous with our sex those kind of you know
00:20:50.260beliefs that you know the beliefs that the entire world held for all of human history until 15
00:20:54.740minutes ago those kinds of beliefs are now deemed as radically oppressive bigoted you know hateful
00:21:00.280beliefs and uh and will it's not hyperbole it's not exaggeration to say that that it does make you
00:21:08.680to some degree a target there are terrible people in the world who who want to kill christians and
00:21:16.040not just in the middle east but that is starting to happen here right and we should expect that
00:21:22.280that's going to be the reaction of sinful people when we're a constant reminder of the fact that
00:21:28.740they're under judgment um and that's what they don't like i think one of the things that i i've
00:21:35.280been thinking about and pondering because i'm writing another book and it's we're in a very
00:21:40.080transitional period right now i think in western civilization where we're we've gone from christian
00:21:47.420primarily the people having christian mores to we're returning to paganism now i don't know if
00:21:54.240you saw uh this morning in kentucky they there was a lobbying a bunch of people were at the
00:21:59.420kentucky state house lobbying um against or really they were protesting the law that just passed that
00:22:07.120banned transgender operations for those under 18 for minus yeah i did see that it looked like a
00:22:13.340january 6th kind of thing like they had all these state troopers kind of or they looked like state
00:22:17.720troopers with the hats and like uh but having to kind of barricade and they were you know trying
00:22:22.320to push in well one of the main the guys leading it um i mean he kind of he looked more pagan more
00:22:28.880satanic than the january 6th shaman right he was i didn't see that oh yeah yeah and i i know some
00:22:34.200people online were saying he was an actual satanist i'm not sure if that's true or not i
00:22:37.380haven't confirmed it but uh they're in my area where i live right now very liberal a lot of
00:22:43.280transgenderism transgender flags uh all that stuff and the paganism is right now growing like crazy
00:22:49.940like you go into my local barnes and noble and the whole display shelf is just books on casting
00:22:54.320spells crystals it's that's all it is um and and i'm not saying that the two are i i'm saying they
00:23:01.800are related i'm not saying that if if you have one you're necessarily going to have the other
00:23:06.480but they tend to show up together right and and so um i i think we've you and i are we grew up at
00:23:14.580the tail end being millennials of kind of the last kind of gasping breath of a liberal neutral
00:23:20.500order, where we were still kind of riding these Christian assumptions, thinking that those were
00:23:25.680just going to carry us into a secular world where we'd still hold on to them. And in a very naive
00:23:32.080way, I suppose, our parents thought that, our grandparents probably thought that, but we were
00:23:37.900the last generation in that. And the Gen Z, I think, is where it's a return to paganism now.0.91
00:23:45.640And the transgenderism is coming along with that. And that's what pagans love to do. I'm talking0.99
00:23:50.320about satanic occultic pagan stuff like they love to destroy god's order break down categories0.99
00:23:57.820merge things it's chaos it says in scripture right what does satan do kills steals destroys0.69
00:24:04.600right it's the destruction of the categories of even men and women which is so basic
00:24:08.820and we all you know we always think of abortion as a sacrament you know a sacrament of the left
00:24:13.540and a sacrament of the left being pagan that it's not just secular i like what you're saying john
00:24:17.960because you're absolutely right. I think secularism is not a viable position. Now,
00:24:23.840no position except for Jesus is Lord, you know, is a viable position in the long-term indefinite
00:24:30.640eternal sense. But there are certain false religions that are more viable in a human0.58
00:24:36.640temporal sense than secularism. Islam will outlast secularism. Secularism is, it's a virus,1.00
00:24:43.440or better but it's like a parasite it killed and it cannot survive on its own it has to have a
00:24:49.320host and chrysidom was a really powerful host you know and so it's you know with with a host like
00:24:54.340that you know that parasite can you know last for well since the enlightenment you know still
00:24:58.580counting here but you know maybe 350 400 500 years but eventually um secularism will either0.63
00:25:05.360kill chrysidom in the west and won't kill christ and won't kill christianity uh globally and and i
00:25:11.280believe you know god is sovereign and and we'll see an upswing and you know in in the future but
00:25:16.000it could christendom could be completely dismantled in in the west um that's not a biblical promise
00:25:22.140that we have that you know the west shall endure forever you know what like we don't we don't have
00:25:26.040that so um if that happens though if secularism destroys it then secularism also destroys itself
00:25:31.700it kills itself uh whereas certain forms of paganism so i think of islam like islam is it's
00:25:37.740a christian heresy right so it is a heresy but it's a christian heresy it plays off of god's
00:25:42.920created order um it meaning it has a rule book that does have a certain um a certain degree of
00:25:50.480viability like for instance muslims have kids right you think of just practical things for
00:25:56.120something to be viable that it actually actually has like some longevity a lifespan it can you know
00:26:02.000it can it can live for a while secularism doesn't have that you know secularism it just you know
00:26:06.840the moment it kills the host, it dies. Whereas Islam, you know, has longevity. It has distinctions0.92
00:26:12.480between men and women. It has hierarchy. It has patriarchy. It has, it's pro-children. It has
00:26:17.680justice and things like that. Now we would disagree with, you know, some of the penalties,
00:26:23.500you know, Sharia law and some of these kinds of things, but it does have a system of law and rules
00:26:28.080and those kinds of things that mirrors in many ways, Christian law. And so all that being said,
00:26:34.260um secularism is a placeholder secularism is a parasite that that i think was it was kind of
00:26:40.040like um you know like some of those like horror sci-fi movies where you uh you have a particular0.64
00:26:45.000enemy and you release another monster to kill that enemy knowing that that that monster and i
00:26:52.240think that's what like pagans have done with secularism is like we hate christianity we've0.97
00:26:56.280got to unleash the hounds we've got the hounds of hell secularism like don't no not that well0.58
00:27:01.140not not frankenstein's monster you know but like we you unleash that but you're like it's it's okay0.97
00:27:06.160guys because it'll kill christianity and it's like a bee that after it stings it dies you know it
00:27:10.340loses its you know and so it'll die too and and then we'll have our real thing which is uh it's0.53
00:27:16.820it's satanism it's worship of a false god it is and you know and that's i think that's just
00:27:22.240in inescapable this this whole you know sophisticated uh secular you know scientific
00:27:28.860like it's always it's always every now and then the veil keeps getting lifted up you know what
00:27:34.220i mean and it's like your your religion is showing the science yeah like i am science and it's it's
00:27:40.380a religion it's not this neutral analytical lens it's it is a um there is a god there is an
00:27:48.460orthodoxy there is blasphemy there are sacraments the whole nine yards yeah yeah there's a great
00:27:55.040sifting happening right now. There's a great sort, whether you are, it's often attributed to
00:28:01.400moving to different areas, like moving to where you are, because it's more conservative than
00:28:04.900California. But the great sort is happening in all kinds of different areas, companies.
00:28:10.920I saw JP Spears, who's a comedian on YouTube just a few days ago, made a whole video about how
00:28:17.260basically, and I don't know if he's saved, but he's like way closer to Christianity than he was
00:28:24.220even two years ago. And he attributes it to how evil things are. And he can't deny there's evil
00:28:32.220in front of me. I need God if this is the world I'm inhabiting. And it's sort of shocking people
00:28:38.100into taking a side, whether are we going to be on Christ's side or are we going to be on the side
00:28:43.240of the devil? And those are the two options. And we do need to, I think, press that. Going back to
00:28:49.020what James Lindsay had put on Twitter, he said that he implied that the reason that
00:28:54.640leftists, the woke, he said, hate Christianity is because it's a feature of Western civilization,
00:29:01.780right? And so we shouldn't buy into the narrative of it's Christians versus transgender people.0.90
00:29:07.380We should see it for what it is. It's like an attack on Western civ. But if you think about it,1.00
00:29:13.520But that's also identity. It doesn't actually solve the issue. You're not retreating to a neutral place where it's like, well, Western Civ transcends identity. What Western Civ is also, it might be broad, but it's also an identity to say, I'm part of Western Civ.
00:29:31.360And what do you mean by that is the other question.
00:29:33.940So what do you mean you're part of Western civilization?
00:29:36.320Does that mean you value scientific inquiry and the enlightenment?
00:29:40.180Or are you more in the Reformed, you know, the Christian side of that?
00:29:47.980Because those are also two different things.
00:29:50.000And Western civilization can be broad.
00:30:52.760and thinking like okay what's the one common denominator like what are all the things that
00:30:57.560are hated and they weren't blatantly saying we hate these things but i knew like i was a white
00:31:01.460you know male pastor in act 29 and i'm watching and i knew i mean it's obvious like we can say
00:31:07.740it now in 2018 it was really hard to say and i said some of these things and i you know kind of
00:31:11.880got in trouble and was warmly asked to leave and then i chose to leave and you know those kinds of
00:31:15.180things but um i remember thinking like if i was a black pastor i'm white if i was black um i would
00:31:20.840have 10 times the opportunity in act 29 guaranteed oh yeah probably objectively yeah definitive
00:31:25.940statement that's like absolutely true i know i would i absolutely know i would um and so i was
00:31:32.420thinking my my whiteness right my is is not appreciated here um you know and hated might
00:31:38.800have been a strong term at the time but but it was a subtle form of of of hate it was it was
00:31:44.720discrimination um and so so white okay and then male right i started noticing not just in act 29
00:31:51.880but all across we see it in the sbc we see it all over and that's that's just evangelical it's all
00:31:56.940just as bad if not worse in the world except you know the sbc usually can keep par with
00:32:01.380the degrees of immorality of the world so i can't say the world's worst necessarily in the0.97
00:32:05.280shadow that follows it but from a distance but the whole you know believe all women the whole0.89
00:32:10.480hashtag me too, hashtag church too, hashtag, you know? Um, so then it's like, okay, so we hate
00:32:15.020white, we hate male, uh, we hate straight, you know, cisgendered, whatever that is. Um, we hate0.99
00:32:21.740children. Right. So then, and, and I, and I just started looking at all these things and I'm
00:32:26.040thinking like, where, where can I connect these dots? Where is a common denominator? Um, you know,
00:32:31.660and the scientific method, um, being on time promptness is whiteness. And that's, and I started0.76
00:32:36.980realizing along the way, I was like, they don't hate whiteness. They hate Christ. They don't hate
00:32:42.680Western civilization. They hate Christ. They don't hate patriarchy, even. They hate Christ.
00:32:47.420Patriarchy, whiteness, all these things. And that's not to say that whiteness is synonymous
00:32:51.900with the Christian faith. That is only to say there's nothing inherently more Christian about
00:32:58.000being white. It's not an argument from something being inherent. I'm simply saying that providentially0.56
00:33:03.540in god's providence um there has been massive revival and chrysidon established for the last
00:33:10.320500 years arguably a thousand years if we go back to king alfred primarily in western predominantly
00:33:15.760white countries that's so it's it's you know and and if it doesn't change i had another tweet the
00:33:20.980other day where i said um and you know sometime soon seeing uganda in the position that they're0.97
00:33:25.760taking against lgbt like laughing at it which is good to mock and to laugh this is ridiculous
00:33:30.620no way um but i i posted a clip of you know ugandans celebrating you know um overruling
00:33:36.880and i said uh very soon if the west doesn't repent that there'll be running commercials
00:33:41.440in uganda that say for just a dollar a day you can support a little white kid in america and
00:33:45.540give him a christian education oh no that's good because it's not inherent to to to pigment skin
00:33:52.700pigment you know and ethnicity it's just in god's providence um for a thousand years he's done a lot
00:33:59.440among white people and i can you can prove this point easily joel even with what i said about
00:34:05.300what's happening in the kentucky legislature this morning these uh neo-pagan ideas or this
00:34:11.560rising neo-paganism primarily they're trying to draw from norse mythology and it's really
00:34:17.220the mythology of europe more broadly uh they i don't really know all the the differences but
00:34:23.260But there's there, you know, the Welsh and Irish and all the different pagan kind of deities that were the pre-Christian we were understandings where they were pagans.
00:34:34.160Right. And so that's what they're they think that they're going back to.
00:34:37.840And they don't have any problem with that.0.80
00:34:39.280Those people are white, but they have no problem with appropriating white European culture as long as it's not Christian.0.87
00:34:45.600And this is on the transgender side of it.
00:34:47.920So they just don't say that that's part of whiteness.
00:34:50.580So when they say talk about whiteness, you know, they're talking about something specific and Christianity seems to be related to it to some extent.0.76
00:34:57.560And really, their goal is to rip down the society that we live in and all the institutions in it that white people who are influenced by Christianity set up.0.79
00:35:07.540And so they were and we're still in the process of ripping those things down.
00:35:11.140So as long as the ripping down is happening, I think you're going to see this now when the building up starts happening, which may be that's already started.
00:35:18.220But when that really gets going, um, it's going to be look a little different.0.60
00:35:22.560I think you're going to start to see more overt implementation of pagan rituals into
00:35:37.780I mean, I, I would not be surprised if I've lived to see a day where the, uh, if things
00:35:43.400continue as they are, again, I'm hoping they don't, right.
00:35:46.000and a men of you you're definitely hoping but i would just for the record as someone who's post
00:35:51.140mill right we live in the light of eternity christians can afford to be patient i i it's
00:35:56.000entirely possible within my eschatological framework that um that for the next 550 years
00:36:02.180god forbid but if he sees fit 500 years that the west could be absolutely decimated we could go
00:36:07.900back to a stone age we could you know lose technology all these kind of horror things
00:36:12.180could happen i just think that you know if that happens for 500 years well then we're going to
00:36:16.600have at least another 5 000 years for it to be you know i just think that it's ultimately it's
00:36:20.880going to be one step back 10 step back uh but if it's one step back it'll be two forward if it's
00:36:25.78010 it'll be 20 you know so i that's that's all i hold to as a as a post-millennial i have no
00:36:30.840promise in the bible uh for america i'm praying for america i want america to be a christian
00:36:36.020nation i know you do too um but but i don't have any you know america can be wiped out
00:36:41.340i just think that the nations with our christ inheritance and progressively not the cataclysmic
00:36:47.960suddenly soon eschatology but the gradualistic progressive victorious hopeful eschatology that
00:36:55.680christ will win the hearts of the nations progressively throughout human history over
00:37:00.640time, but that could be 40,000 years from now. You're not a boomer con. That's all. That's why
00:37:06.560you don't think America is part of this, right? That's, or it doesn't have to be, I should say.
00:37:11.080Right. Yeah. Which is what I see a lot of the guys with that eschatology who are more
00:37:15.060boomer cons say they definitely see it. It's to say, well, anyway, that's it. We're on a tangent.
00:37:19.740I don't, we're kind of getting far from the school shooting here, but, um, but yeah, so we were0.61
00:37:24.540talking about, uh, the transition though, from the Christian society and then this temporary0.94
00:37:29.780holding mechanism of liberal democracy, secular, to now the start, I think Gen Z is the start of0.84
00:37:37.680the return to paganism. And it's already happened in Europe. I think Europe, if we look to Europe,0.97
00:37:44.320we can get a glimpse into our future a little bit. And I don't know how many years, depending
00:37:49.160on the European nation, but if you look at Germany, for example, we're probably looking at
00:37:53.640things that are 20 years maybe less now with technology at least 10 years ahead or behind
00:38:00.780depending on how you know regression um the netherlands right the netherlands uh there's
00:38:05.740a video going around you might have seen it of uh it's i think it's national television so it's0.71
00:38:11.680public television in the netherlands and it's a bunch of transgender uh people lined up naked
00:38:18.940literally naked and and of course they blurred it out in the version going around on twitter but0.88
00:38:24.560and they have kids little kids in the room in the audience and it's a it's a very nice studio
00:38:30.560and it's just it's an interview the kids are you seen this i watched two seconds and i couldn't do
00:38:36.100i just turned it off and i took i took willy i took william wolf's word for it i pretty much
00:38:41.080all the videos that i can't stand to watch i know that william wolf is going to be uh retweeting
00:38:45.200that video i'll read his summary and that'll you know and that'll be sufficient i'll just i'll just
00:38:50.500say yeah i agree with him so i couldn't watch the whole thing either um but but you see that that's
00:38:56.440a level of like your jaw is just on the floor it's like this is accepted and the kids are saying
00:39:01.100every kid said it was normal uh that this was it was they were celebrating it that they felt
00:39:06.600uh one of the one of the young ladies who had her breasts removed uh was standing there just
00:39:12.280how euphoric she felt when it happened and empowered. And so this is celebrated. If you
00:39:18.400look at some of the government, the ceremonies that take place in the government, like there
00:39:24.200was a tunnel that I think it was in Germany, if I'm not mistaken, that was, this was now a few
00:39:29.360years ago that was built and you had Angela Merkel there and just all these dignitaries and their
00:39:34.200opening ceremony was complete paganism. And I know when the Olympics, the last Olympics that0.88
00:39:40.700happened i think it was the same thing there i i know that i get sent these videos now and then
00:39:45.300from europe of like can you believe that like the civil rulers came and prince charles is
00:39:50.900participating in this you know bull that's right there looking like a satanic bull they're all
00:39:55.420worshiping and i'm like yeah yeah i can believe that because that's what happens when you eradicate
00:40:00.640christianity it doesn't return to secularism and that oh we all have common ground now we're just
00:40:06.080going to treat each other nice that whole treat each other nice is from christianity right like
00:40:10.020that's right so um so i'm i'm pretty adamant on this and i'm and i'm not trying to james lindsey
00:40:17.260was just one of the few people that i i came to my mind because i was recently looking at that
00:40:21.780tweet it's not unique to him i have nothing against him but it's this is a mentality that
00:40:26.640i think a lot of especially older folks in gen x and and the boomers they it's like i don't i don't
00:40:34.480want to overly psychologize this but i think because they remember some element of neutrality
00:40:41.040that seemed to work in their minds they think we can return to it and no we can't right and the
00:40:48.120neutrality never worked it was like it was almost like having um well it's i think it was just you
00:40:55.060know in in that moment in history you have the the tides are shifting and you're going from
00:41:00.940predominantly Christian and minority being pagan. And then all of a sudden there's this moment that
00:41:08.480lasted for about a generation or two, or maybe three at most, where it's, okay, the Christian0.65
00:41:14.500tide is going out because of apostasy and sin and rejection of Christ. And the pagan tide is coming0.98
00:41:23.320in, but we hit this brief moment that lasted 40, 50, 60, 70 years, but in the light of0.79
00:41:32.660eternity, it's very brief where you had about 50-50, right?
00:41:36.700The Christian tie's going out, the pagan tie's coming in, and they're about equal for a
00:41:40.520moment, and it gave the illusion of neutrality, but it was never neutrality.0.92
00:41:46.620The only thing that made it seem like neutrality is that there was still enough Christian tide
00:41:51.260pushing back the the threat of of satan that was coming in to where it you know but but that what
00:41:59.620that is not a viable that's not a holding uh zone that's not a that's not a viable sustainable
00:42:05.600position uh that's classic classical liberalism i think is one of the one that will be you know
00:42:11.660viewed as one of history's greatest jokes you know that we'll look back on and and you know
00:42:15.840laugh about libertarianism is a really great joke but but the the problem is that we all
00:42:21.280the jokes on us you know or at least on our parents and prior generations and still some
00:42:26.320guys today's just still still have not gotten the joke but that's going out we're we're in
00:42:30.880trouble the solution is christ it's a return to christ he has a name it's not just principled
00:42:36.360pluralism there is a name of all truth he is a person it's the lord jesus christ apart from that0.95
00:42:42.320we're, we are screwed. I was interviewing a scholar, uh, recently for the 1607 project
00:42:50.740and, uh, he's a political philosopher. And so he, and he's not a Christian. Um, now everyone on that
00:42:57.800project is, is either Christian or very pro-Christian. Like they see the necessity of
00:43:03.120having a Christian civilization. They're not blind to the fact that it's really bad when you get rid1.00
00:43:07.940of Jesus, but this particular individual was not. And he said to me something I thought was
00:43:12.080interesting, Joel. He goes, well, paganism seemed to work, kind of. And he goes, and Christianity
00:43:16.680seems to work. But this whole liberal democracy thing, that can't work. And of course, I don't
00:43:22.960think paganism really works, but I know what he meant by it. And I think this is what, you just
00:43:28.600mentioned libertarians. I think it's what libertarians and boomer cons and neocons, I think
00:43:36.620they don't tend to see this as clearly the way that communities in God's providence and his design
00:43:44.380function. Communities aren't just composites of individuals, right? Going after their own
00:43:51.320interests and then, and then capable of peaceably coexisting together as they pursue their own
00:43:56.440buried interests. Communities actually have much more of a symbiosis and actually communists,
00:44:02.500I think, though they pervert this quite a bit, and they try to make it abstract and try to make the state the one that communities coalesce around. So they pervert everything. They kind of get this a little better than even libertarians that actually man was created to be in community. When you're born, you are born into a community and you have immediately responsibilities that are attached to you.
00:44:27.700I mean, you're benefiting from the fire department. You're benefiting from the medical establishment. You're benefiting from from all the different resources and institutions in your society. And that's why good model citizens, when they grow up, they get involved. Right. And it used to be the model citizen in Norman Rockwell world was he goes to the Presbyterian, you know, not Second Presbyterian Church. He's an elder there and he's he's on the volunteer fire department.
00:44:51.060And, you know, they're very involved people because the Lions Club, remember that?
00:45:18.840And even 80s, to some extent, they remember that time when that was the model citizen. And so I think there's an assumption that you can just kind of keep living that way with this Christianity kind of running in the background, because that's what's telling you, you should love your neighbor.
00:45:34.780um but now we we've gotten rid of the whole foundation for that society and we've gotten rid
00:45:42.120of um the glue that keeps us together as a community we've thrown out the whole the whole
00:45:48.180mechanisms thrown out and and for libertarians it's i think a lot of the secular ones they are
00:45:54.860looking at man as god as man is self-sufficient in and of himself he doesn't have any obligations
00:45:59.980and somehow you think that's going to work for society it can't and it's not going to since man1.00
00:46:05.840is a social creature it cannot prevent the other gen z folks from being swept up into the woke
00:46:11.320movement because they're going to look at that and they're going to see oh i have identity in that i
00:46:14.720have community in that i was made to have responsibility it gives me a purpose they're
00:46:18.960going to run right towards that rather than a message of you figure out your own purpose we
00:46:24.240don't really have a purpose as as a group together and you're your own thing like that's the
00:46:29.480kiss of death. Um, and, uh, so I probably sounds too strong on this, but I'm just, I do not want
00:46:36.780Christians falling for that. You have to, your community matters, right? As far as your identity,0.99
00:46:42.280but your primary identity is in Christ. And that's why these other things, they all line up under
00:46:47.340that. And, and, and you get, you got to wear that on your sleeve. I'm sorry. Like, you know,
00:46:53.420making fun of Christians because they wear it on their sleeve too much because it's part too much
00:46:56.480part of their identity no ramp it up 10 that's what i say yep amen so as we're kind of heading
00:47:03.380towards a conclusion here what do you think like what what are some practical things that christians
00:47:08.240can do i mean first and foremost i mean this this is a spiritual thing that we can do um but i i just
00:47:14.180i have i'm not trying to sound pious but i i've just as a dad with young kids and knowing that
00:47:20.300like my face is on the internet saying some hashtag based things that,
00:47:25.420that liberals would hate to hear. And, um, I'm, you know,
00:47:29.740and just thinking about like somebody wanting to kill my, my kids, you know,
00:47:35.360um, okay, because there's a pastor in Tennessee right now who,0.62
00:47:41.400was just killed by an unstable, insane transgender person. And they,1.00
00:47:46.440and they are, of course they're insane. They don't know,0.99
00:47:48.800they don't know what gender they are you know and so knowing that that that is a real possibility
00:47:53.200because it literally just happened um i'm i'm just you know i'm praying like that i i found myself
00:47:59.740the last few days just praying more i try to pray regularly regardless but i've my prayer life has
00:48:05.820had a good uptick because i'm just i feel like god we need you because i'm you know i'm just
00:48:12.000thinking like they they say you know at any given point we're only nine meals away from anarchy you
00:48:16.280know and these because i'm thinking like okay i like get a gun just practical get a gun uh move
00:48:23.060off the reservation a little bit if you can't you know like right now we live in a in a nice
00:48:27.480neighborhood but it's a neighborhood it's a cookie cutter neighborhood you know and having
00:48:31.000some land being in just a physically more defensible position a little bit further back
00:48:36.420from you know uh from town and not right in the middle of you know a bunch of people who had beto
00:48:41.860signs in their front yard just a few months ago you know what i mean like that person's not my
00:48:45.880friend you know that person is not on the same team and not saying i'm against them but they are
00:48:49.600against me um and they probably just haven't found my youtube channel yet but what if they do
00:48:53.900like these are real kind of scenarios um and so you know get some land get a gun you know have
00:49:00.220have some food reserves uh try to plant a garden those kinds of things but at the end of the day
00:49:04.860i'm just thinking like what like we're talking about an entire generation of people who who are
00:49:12.700growing up who are, they are mentally unstable. This Gen Z generation is like, it's scary. And
00:49:23.940I know there's some good ones that like, because in God's prophet, it's kind of like this0.60
00:49:27.400harsh split where there's crazy God-hating progressive Gen Z. And then there's some0.54
00:49:33.060ultra conservative 17-year-olds who love the Lord and who are outspoken about their Christianity
00:49:42.140and praise god for them but i'm just thinking um man practically prayer is what i just keep coming
00:49:48.180back to but practically what do we do to like i've got a five-year-old a three-year-old a two-year-old
00:49:52.740and a six-month-old and and i'm thinking yeah they they could be killed and i you know we say
00:49:58.820that in the past i'm feeling it now like like no that really could happen no i same yeah i i
00:50:05.300this whole thing put me in a mood for like two days of like and just walking around
00:50:12.840like feeling heavy yep that's how that um and it's we shootings happen like there's been other
00:50:21.020shootings and i've felt kind of heavy this one's different for me i think it's because it's an
00:50:24.720attack on like those are my people right um that's part of it and then the to see the reaction
00:50:31.180is not universal condemnation it's uh among very powerful members of the media
00:50:39.500trying to flip the script and i'm just like what in the world this isn't the country that i remember
00:50:45.660growing up in and it's not it's real quick i think it's three things these are our people so
00:50:49.900we identify with them because they're brothers and sisters in christ christians it's also yeah
00:50:53.560the way that um the culture has responded to it saying well the true victim is the person who
00:50:58.100murdered nine three nine-year-old children like so that's crazy um but then the third thing i think
00:51:03.800that why i felt so heavy and i've had to just go to the lord right to be anxious about nothing but
00:51:08.740with prayer and stuff so i've been anxious a little bit and that's in that i i believe that's
00:51:13.060a sin yeah and so i'm trying when i get anxious when i get scared because i get scared believe
00:51:17.820it or not people think like joel say anything he's not but i get scared about my kids you know
00:51:21.900and so i just have to go to god and repent of my fear and pray so instead of being anxious do not
00:51:26.680be anxious for anything but with prayer and supplications make your request known to god
00:51:29.800and it's because of this third one one there are people the christians two uh the way that um all
00:51:34.540the lies about it and it's seeing the cultural backlash um but then three um a lot of the
00:51:41.040shootings before the one of the ways this is different is uh they were at public schools
00:51:44.760and honestly i just have to confess and i don't know if i was maybe it was subconscious maybe i
00:51:51.380But one way or another, conscious or subconscious, I have been harboring and cherishing the idea in my mind that, yeah, terrible things happen in the world, but I can avoid them because I won't put my kids in public school.
00:52:06.380But then seeing this and right now being in the process with a team of people in my church to start a classical Christian school that I plan on my kids going to and just seeing it and being like, we're not safe.
00:52:19.980I thought, I thought that like, you know, it's always a shame. It's a tragedy when an image bearer dies. But if parents really want to, they can, they can escape that, right? Like get out of California. I did. Get out of the public schools. I did.
00:52:37.140and it turns out you can live in nashville tennessee as a presbyterian putting your kids
00:52:44.540in a private classical christian school and you could still get a phone call and find out that
00:52:50.820they're lying in a pool of their own blood we are not safe with like we are not safe it's a good
00:52:57.560reminder though that that's how christians live for centuries knowing that that could happen um
00:53:05.100and the life this world is not our home it's temporary but we do live here for now and we're
00:53:12.280responsible for what god's given to us and to be good stewards but the rest the results belong to
00:53:19.100him um i was talking about this with a uh a an episcopal priest believe it or not who's
00:53:26.240conservative one of the last few remaining ones i suppose and um one of the things i thought was
00:53:33.620really interesting he was saying because he said we're always on the defensive we need to go on the
00:53:36.700offensive here culturally speaking we just haven't done that we're so used to playing defense
00:53:43.180and he said it's been hard to do that though on the national level because you can only rise so
00:53:50.960far in an institution before you're zapped you the door is shut to you because your beliefs are
00:53:56.600way too out of step with those running those institutions. So the only thing what we really
00:54:04.160have is authority on the local level, which he does have. He said that, he goes, 90% of my church
00:54:11.340is probably pro-gay marriage. You know, this guy is so anti-gay marriage, but he's an Episcopal
00:54:15.640priest, so go figure that out. And he said, though, that, and so he says he doesn't even
00:54:21.540have a church, right? These are people that attend that don't even know the Lord. But they,
00:54:25.420he said most of them defend him, that he won't, you know, participate in that. He showed up at
00:54:31.800the school, the local school to oppose their diversity agenda. And he was successful in on1.00
00:54:39.360the local level. And so you can kind of create a shield around your local community and gain
00:54:47.160rapport and gain leadership and gain respect with people in your local community that you would
00:54:54.220never be able to do on a national level. And if we can, if we can reciprocate, like repeat that
00:54:59.140all over the place, then I think that is a shield. So that's one strategy. I think local strategy.
00:55:05.400The other thing is what you did. And I think of what Jesus did in Luke four as kind of what you
00:55:09.800did. It says, but he passed through their midst and went on his way when the Pharisees were trying
00:55:14.020to push him off a cliff. Right. So he avoided, he didn't directly confront in that situation.
00:55:20.040he he knew they were threatening his life and it wasn't his time and so he passed through the
00:55:25.060crowd so if you can move from a place where you're potentially in a greater threat to a place where
00:55:31.420you're in have less of a threat then there's nothing wrong with that jesus did the same thing
00:55:36.100it doesn't mean that you're 100 safe right but your children could also get a life-threatening
00:55:41.920disease right right it doesn't have to be someone who comes in and hates them for being christians
00:55:48.180so so so i think what you're doing too and when praying that that's so key in all of this like
00:55:54.580we could take all the precautions all the strategies do everything right and we're still
00:55:59.880not going to out game this thing because there's no out gaming it without god uh blessing our
00:56:06.240efforts and it really has to be his efforts that we're just part of so yeah um that's helpful john
00:56:12.420Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Well, any last words, uh, tell our, tell our listeners, let's go ahead and
00:56:17.800conclude, but tell them how to follow you, but also tell them, um, how just briefly,
00:56:21.980cause you mentioned it, but maybe just a quick synopsis about the 1607 project and how they
00:56:26.400can support that. Yeah. I appreciate you plugging that. Yeah. 1607 project.com. You can donate
00:56:31.660501c3. So it's tax deductible. Um, it's, it's a project that I'm working on right now, uh,
00:56:39.200that is meant to answer the 1619 project and give the correct understanding of American history,
00:56:47.800what makes America unique. We do have a great section on Christianity. So it's going to be an
00:56:54.820essay, a series of essays, and also, which will be put into a book, a documentary. I'm in charge
00:57:00.260of the documentary, but I just had Zach Garris out last weekend. He's the one that's dealing with
00:57:04.900early American religion. And it was great. I mean, he loves the Lord. I know you've had him
00:57:10.800on your show. So if anyone wants to support that, you can go to 1607project.com to follow me,
00:57:16.720worldviewconversation.com, and there's all the links to social media there.
00:57:20.680Great. Okay, John, thanks for coming on the show. And everybody, thanks for listening.