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00:00:40.740 Welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied. I am your host, Pastor Joel Webin with

00:00:44.720 Right Response Ministries. In this episode, I'm pleased to welcome back my personal friend,

00:00:49.760 John Harris, from Conversations That Matter. And we get blatantly honest in this particular episode

00:00:58.240 talking about the reality that Christians are an oppressed group. It may not be politically

00:01:04.320 correct to say that, but we don't really care if it's politically correct. We're in the business

00:01:10.600 of saying what is true. There are lots of individuals and certain groups that like to

00:01:16.780 pretend that they're oppressed, but Christians actually are. Historically, Christians have always

00:01:23.100 been persecuted. Jesus, in fact, said the world is going to hate you. But it is a bit novel for us

00:01:30.640 in the West, especially for us in America. But that's the world that we're coming into.

00:01:36.240 We are coming into a world that increasingly is hostile and hates and even wants to shoot 0.95

00:01:42.520 Christians, even if they're nine-year-old children. So how do we prepare to raise our kids,

00:01:49.560 to protect our families, and to be bold for the gospel of Jesus Christ in the environment that

00:01:55.760 we're coming into now. That's the episode. Tune in. Applying God's word to every aspect of life.

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00:02:10.000 All right, welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied. I am your host, Pastor Joel

00:02:14.200 Webbin with Right Response Ministries, and I'm privileged to have back on the show today a very

00:02:19.480 special guest, John Harris, with Conversations That Matter. John, thanks for coming on the show.

00:02:25.020 Yeah, my pleasure, Joel. Always good to talk with you.

00:02:27.660 You too. All right. Well, we're going to go ahead and lead out with this episode. Just get right to

00:02:32.020 it. We'll probably address a few different things. But the first thing that we wanted to address is

00:02:36.100 the recent Nashville shooting that took place. And more information continues to come in. We haven't

00:02:43.440 yet, but at the time of this recording, so by the time this comes out, it'll probably be public

00:02:47.920 information. I would hope so because I think the public has an interest in knowing. But at this

00:02:52.860 time, I don't think the manifesto has come out. Is that right, John? Not to my knowledge. There

00:02:57.740 seems to be like little leaks of, like I saw this morning, there was some message or text or

00:03:05.060 something that implied that the shooter was going to go to other locations if possible and kill

00:03:11.440 family members. And so there's things like that coming out, but I haven't, the manifesto itself,

00:03:15.460 know. Right. And so what, what we know is, you know, covenant, I think it was just called covenant

00:03:21.600 school, the covenant school. Is that right? Yeah. Covenant school, Nashville. Actually,

00:03:25.580 it's funny. I spoke at the church right across the street from there last year. So yeah, it's a big,

00:03:30.900 it's a Southern Baptist church and a covenant schools, Presbyterian, but they're like right

00:03:35.580 next to each other. And I think covenant even used to use the building that I was speaking in. And

00:03:39.440 it's so it, not that it hit close to home in a personal sense, but I was like, Whoa, I know

00:03:44.220 exactly where that is yeah you can visualize it so yeah so the covenant school which is a school

00:03:50.520 that's um belongs to a presbyterian church i'm assuming the church is maybe covenant church

00:03:57.080 i believe so yeah if i'm not mistaken yeah and then i think i heard i could be wrong about this

00:04:02.440 but i think i heard that um that chris wiley um cr wiley is his author name if you read like

00:04:09.700 man of the house or the household in the war for the cosmos. But I think his son is one of the

00:04:17.620 elders at the church. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I do know who he is. Yeah. And I'm looking at the

00:04:24.120 website right now for the school. I'm actually not 100% sure how associated it is with the church.

00:04:29.020 It's a private school, but it is Presbyterian. Right. Yeah. It may have its own 501c3, its own

00:04:35.660 board it's on you know those kinds of things but still you know affiliate and partner with the

00:04:39.880 church you know in a lot of ways like like logos does with wilson's church christ church i'd like

00:04:45.000 they're separate entities but that seems to be pretty common but yeah so as far as we know um

00:04:51.580 it it definitely it's just crazy to me you know one of the things that i've been addressing like

00:04:57.740 on twitter is just saying i i tweeted something the other day that said um if you um if you can't

00:05:04.840 as a christian recognize uh the connection between these two narratives and reject both of them um

00:05:11.740 then you need to wake up and the two narratives that i put was one was um that uh that a transgender

00:05:19.380 murderer is not the victim um but three dead nine-year-old children and three adults also dead

00:05:27.980 are the victims um and then the second statement that i said um is that a woman who murders her

00:05:34.000 child in the womb is not a victim but the dead baby you know and i just i look at this and you

00:05:40.180 see some of the rhetoric already um of just again that you know the well the real victim the real

00:05:46.140 you know that that uh those three dead nine-year-olds you know well i should have thought

00:05:51.540 thought about that before they were so such bigoted christians you know they drove her to it

00:05:55.980 you know or her parents drove her to it or and uh and that's just become so commonplace this um

00:06:01.940 like what some somebody does something wrong and and they're the victim you know and this oppressed

00:06:08.160 and oppressor classes to where if you're in what society deems as an oppressed minority class

00:06:14.020 whether it be for sexual orientation which is a misnomer or whether it minority ethnicity or even

00:06:19.840 women who numerically outnumber men but somehow is still a minority in any of those ways um if you

00:06:26.440 fall into the minority oppressed class uh you're sinless and pastors evangelical pastors act like

00:06:32.600 this when it comes to preaching on the sins of women mother's day sermons versus father day

00:06:36.300 sermon and so it just it really shouldn't be a surprise to us um the way that it's already

00:06:41.780 being spun in the legacy media this narrative of of what what happened what what are your thoughts

00:06:47.600 john i think it was an excellent tweet that you put out there i did see that oh thanks uh and i

00:06:52.540 would have retweeted if i had a particular account that i was still using but yeah yeah it's there's

00:06:58.200 a lot going on right now i think one of the big debates that i i see online is uh what you just

00:07:05.680 said whether or not there's two victims or two groups of victims here the trans shooter and then

00:07:11.820 the victims of the shooting um and and then another debate is whether or not christians are

00:07:18.500 actually under persecution and whether far, in fact, I have in front of me, the independent

00:07:24.500 in the UK, I guess, magazine or newspaper has a headline, GOP lawmakers and far right figures

00:07:32.980 seize on national shooting to push dangerous anti-trans rhetoric. And same thing in the

00:07:37.080 Washington Post, same thing in the Vanity Fair, same kinds of headlines. So they're trying to

00:07:43.580 prevent Christians from seeing this as targeting or as something that's against them, that

00:07:51.380 transgender people don't like them. They think that's a far right thing to say that. And so 1.00

00:07:58.260 that's another interesting facet. And then you even have like a breakdown in circles that we

00:08:03.560 would be familiar with. I think I saw James Lindsay had posted something. I had it in front

00:08:11.680 of me and now i can't find it but essentially he was trying to say don't fall into the trap you

00:08:17.360 might have seen this tweet of yeah i saw seeing yeah your christian identity falling into this

00:08:22.020 like super christian identity where you're having a bunker mentality and uh and like it's transverse

00:08:28.980 christians and so he was critical of tucker carlson i think actually though you know you

00:08:33.580 what you said was good i think what tucker said i don't know if you saw his segment i thought that

00:08:36.640 was really good that was good analysis because we all know what's going on as like not all the

00:08:41.980 details but we know in general of course there's anti-christian rhetoric and um and and it's not

00:08:48.600 surprising that that would manifest in actions like this right right well totally especially

00:08:54.620 when um when you think of just especially young people you know zoomers gen z um and you know a 0.74

00:09:02.100 lot of their news you know being from twitter or tiktok or whatever and and and those being just

00:09:08.100 re-shared with with you know commentary um but but clips of cnn you know and and just you know

00:09:15.900 the left-wing legacy media or the view you know the cuckling hens on the view where who who was

00:09:22.620 it may have been joy readers who recently said um you know what you know they were asking like

00:09:27.240 what, what should we do about these people who want to make, you know, uh, it, uh, women's

00:09:31.560 healthcare rights illegal, you know, you know, making it illegal to have an abortion and murder 1.00

00:09:36.240 your child. And, uh, and she responded by saying we should murder them. And, you know, they kind 1.00

00:09:40.480 of laugh and like, you're just joking. Right. And, and she's just quiet and like looks down

00:09:44.500 and smirks and rolls. I haven't seen that. You know, like really crazy. And she doesn't correct

00:09:48.480 it. She doesn't say like, yeah, I'm just kidding. She's just like, just smirks and rolls her eyes

00:09:54.060 and they move on you know and so my point is like one you have this kind of um violent language

00:10:00.220 from the left and and i would say that it's it's somewhat common um place these days but then not

00:10:06.780 just that like the uh the commonality of the violent language from the left toward conservatives

00:10:11.960 and christians but more so than even that i think for gen gen z um they they're hearing not actually

00:10:20.700 from the right but they're hearing the right's position twisted and repackaged from the left

00:10:26.040 and and they're being told that we want to do violence towards them now that's not actually

00:10:30.720 true like honestly this is probably a bad analogy but it reminds me of like hamas you know in israel

00:10:37.560 like that you know so i'm you know we were talking about this earlier i'm i'm not a dispensationalist

00:10:44.860 i you know like i'm not a huge fan of the nation state of israel today um i you know i i think that

00:10:52.560 they're incredibly progressive and all these different things but um in terms of you know

00:10:57.440 ongoing battles between you know israel and palestinians um i think if palestinians said

00:11:05.160 ceasefire it'd be done that the vast majority of israel's weaponry is defensive the iron dome and

00:11:11.940 these kinds of things you know what i mean and like there's one side that that continually

00:11:16.660 aggravates and you know like one side um protects their children um in schools uh namely israel the

00:11:24.180 other side uh uses children to protect their bombs and like literally because they know israel won't

00:11:29.440 shoot innocents um and so they'll they'll have children uh lined out in front of places that

00:11:35.260 they don't want israel to retaliate because israel actually has common decency and you know those 0.57

00:11:40.620 kinds of things um and the palestinians don't they just don't and so um all that being said

00:11:45.220 my point is um like with the left and the right with conservatives and progressives and these 1.00

00:11:50.420 kinds of things um that what's happening is like we're not actually firing we're i don't see some

00:11:57.360 huge rally where and if for anybody who said well trump rather no that's that's hyperbole and

00:12:02.900 exaggeration and just downright deceit you don't see a huge conservative rally where they're saying 0.99

00:12:08.220 let's take, let's take up arms and go and, and, and kill, you know, trans people. No, 0.99

00:12:14.440 like we would condemn it. It would immediately be condemned. That is sin. That is wrong. That's

00:12:19.080 grotesque. Um, you know, but you see like Michael Knowles with the daily wire, like we should

00:12:23.160 eradicate. And he's so clear. Um, the, the ideology is either true or it's not. If it's true,

00:12:29.440 it's true for adults and it's true for kids. But if transgenderism as an ideology is not true,

00:12:34.700 then it's not true for anyone not just only kids uh shouldn't be chemically castrated um but adults 0.98

00:12:40.560 shouldn't either and we should eradicate transgender people no the transgender ideology 0.97

00:12:46.220 from every facet of our society because it's negative and does harm um and you know and he 0.97

00:12:51.600 says this uh at nat con or whatever and immediately major publications are saying uh daily wire

00:12:58.300 michael knowles calls for the eradication of transgender people and what i'm getting at is

00:13:03.160 okay we know that's a lie but what about the 19 year old gen z transgender person um who they're 0.97

00:13:11.440 that's their only news source they think that's real they think that they're that we are taking 0.92

00:13:17.240 up arms um we're not but they are actually taking up arms because they think we are you know and

00:13:23.680 i don't see this going away do you no uh it's and it's not just deception because i think that is

00:13:31.720 part of it as you just correctly articulated, but it's also the fact that, well, there's a couple

00:13:41.420 things, but one is that there's a study I just saw from, it's out of Canada, but transgender and

00:13:48.940 gender diverse students in this study reported higher supports for violence, being radicalized

00:13:57.020 by violence compared to students who identified as women. And then it goes on to different

00:14:01.300 categories, but there's already something about, and I think the theologians can actually figure

00:14:08.340 this out better than anyone in the world who's trying to figure this out, but there's something 0.93

00:14:12.520 already violent about becoming transgender in your mind, about starting to lop off organs and 0.61

00:14:20.020 change organs. And there's something violent about that. There's something that's negative, 1.00

00:14:27.020 concerning the effects of the hormones that you're receiving, which makes you emotionally

00:14:33.020 unstable as well. And so, you have that biological element, but you have also that

00:14:38.840 ideological element, sacrificing body parts for an ideology. And some of this is perhaps also a

00:14:48.960 third avenue would be it's just reduced to hatred for the truth. I mean, that's nothing new that's

00:14:55.740 been around forever it predated the recent transgender movement so yeah i mean jesus told 0.96

00:15:03.000 us the world hates you yeah because they hated me first you know like people absolutely hate the

00:15:08.080 truth like the one guy who is the embodiment of truth who only told the truth who never lied um

00:15:14.420 and and the one time in all of history that that that one guy namely the second member of the

00:15:19.720 eternal trinity god actually made himself vulnerable and took on flesh and dwelt among us

00:15:24.360 um we loved him and threw a party no uh people killed him and they nailed him to a tree you know

00:15:31.660 so it's yeah so i think there's the spiritual element of the hatred for the truth and hatred

00:15:35.480 of god who is immortal um but his image bearers and ambassadors even more so everyone's his image

00:15:41.920 bearer christian or not but ambassadors namely christians um you can't kill god but you can kill

00:15:47.720 his people you know and if you want to stick it to the man but the man is untouchable he's immortal

00:15:52.080 he's invulnerable, uh, invincible, then what do you do? Well, you, you kill the messenger. You 0.97

00:15:57.100 kill, you kill the ones that God deeply cares for, um, who are like sheep, uh, among wolves who are 0.98

00:16:04.060 vulnerable, who are weak, who are, um, touchable and killable. And so there's, there's a spiritual 0.98

00:16:08.820 element of it. Um, there's, you're right. Like just to become transgender, there's a, there's

00:16:12.980 a physical violence that the person has to be willing to undergo. Then there's the, um, so 0.99

00:16:18.520 spiritual physical there's the chemical side of it like what happens when it's one i mean our

00:16:23.680 little boys we have to train them from birth as they grow up we have to train our young boys

00:16:28.960 that self-control is not effeminate it's not emasculate but it is strength but it is strength

00:16:36.080 that has been harnessed self-control is strength under control but what do you do with a girl

00:16:42.720 that's never had that kind of training because she hasn't really needed it i'm not saying women

00:16:46.780 don't have that the fruit of the spirit that is self-control exclusively belongs to the male

00:16:50.680 population and there's no female equivalency of course there is so so hear me in that but it is

00:16:55.880 different it is different for a woman to be self-controlled and for a man to be self-controlled

00:17:00.820 and if a if a woman who's 19 years old has never had to to practice because there's a discipline

00:17:07.100 every man knows uh we have been practicing and we're not always conscious of it a lot of it is

00:17:11.720 subconscious but we've been trained and we also have trained ourselves self-disciplined and

00:17:15.920 practicing for for 36 years now i have been practicing harnessing my testosterone and and

00:17:22.960 and you're a 19 year old woman who's never had testosterone not like that not even close and all

00:17:28.940 of a sudden there is a an actual drug a chemical that is being pumped into your veins that is a

00:17:34.960 foreign substance to you that because it's one thing to learn how to control testosterone

00:17:40.300 own uh when you're two and you can only do so much damage right when the stakes are lower in

00:17:45.840 terms of your training your practice you know and and under the the tutelage and the guidance of

00:17:50.260 your parents in the safety of a home and all um but but could you imagine like uh you know a young

00:17:57.480 boy who who i don't know if it was put on ice or something like that and then all of a sudden came

00:18:03.180 out having gone through puberty having grown and now he's 19 years old um and you know he's probably

00:18:10.560 going to be a little wild and so there's the chemical element the spiritual element the

00:18:14.320 physical element and then there's you know the social political element of just you you just

00:18:20.200 have constant lies it's like the media and our politicians working hand in glove and lockstep

00:18:26.720 um constantly putting fuel and gasoline on the fire and ramping it up and now we have like a 0.61

00:18:33.160 trans day of vengeance do you know anything about that john uh not a lot it's i mean it's it's kind

00:18:39.960 of i actually have it pulled up uh because i was going to talk about it later on my podcast okay

00:18:44.940 feel free to save it for years well no i wasn't going to mention anything beyond that it's

00:18:49.420 it's announced that's pretty much it like i don't know many details beyond that and

00:18:54.560 what's the date uh let's see if i can find it i have so many tabs open um i'm not sure off the

00:19:02.360 top of my head what the date for it is it was floating around all over online though and people

00:19:07.220 were maybe you can find it but if you don't christians like i would urge you it was blocked

00:19:12.220 it was blocked on twitter when i don't know if you know this but so so the reason i was going

00:19:18.300 to talk about it was because marjorie marjorie taylor green shared it and then she was suspended

00:19:23.780 for seven days on twitter for sharing it wow um i think some other people were also suspended uh

00:19:31.460 or they couldn't get into their accounts after sharing and it had been out there before um not

00:19:38.580 conservative sharing it but of course you know people who are more on the left and it was never

00:19:43.560 it wasn't banned and so twitter saying that this is because they don't allow violence to be shared

00:19:49.060 And so they're censoring it, but they're doing more than censoring it.

00:19:51.860 Twitter is shutting down, um, censoring and, uh, also locking people out of their Twitter

00:19:59.740 accounts if they're conservative and they've shared this.

00:20:02.520 So that's, that's a little bit of a controversy right now.

00:20:05.400 I know Elon Musk made things better on Twitter, but it's not a hundred percent.

00:20:09.340 There's still some problems.

00:20:10.440 Right.

00:20:11.120 So, um, well, yeah, I don't know what the, I'm actually have it right in front of me

00:20:15.120 and it doesn't even say what date.

00:20:16.900 if anybody knows what date it is leave it in the comments because christians we need to be aware

00:20:23.120 not to be aggressive but to be defensive to be wise and shrewd and careful um god forbid i mean

00:20:28.900 it could all just be a hoax but these things happen you know and and so and i think about

00:20:33.800 you know like local churches that you know that preach the gospel that preach the scripture that

00:20:38.860 preach you know male and female he created them that god is god and that we are not uh that god

00:20:44.380 determines um our sex from the womb and our gender is synonymous with our sex those kind of you know

00:20:50.260 beliefs that you know the beliefs that the entire world held for all of human history until 15

00:20:54.740 minutes ago those kinds of beliefs are now deemed as radically oppressive bigoted you know hateful

00:21:00.280 beliefs and uh and will it's not hyperbole it's not exaggeration to say that that it does make you

00:21:08.680 to some degree a target there are terrible people in the world who who want to kill christians and

00:21:16.040 not just in the middle east but that is starting to happen here right and we should expect that

00:21:22.280 that's going to be the reaction of sinful people when we're a constant reminder of the fact that

00:21:28.740 they're under judgment um and that's what they don't like i think one of the things that i i've

00:21:35.280 been thinking about and pondering because i'm writing another book and it's we're in a very

00:21:40.080 transitional period right now i think in western civilization where we're we've gone from christian

00:21:47.420 primarily the people having christian mores to we're returning to paganism now i don't know if

00:21:54.240 you saw uh this morning in kentucky they there was a lobbying a bunch of people were at the

00:21:59.420 kentucky state house lobbying um against or really they were protesting the law that just passed that

00:22:07.120 banned transgender operations for those under 18 for minus yeah i did see that it looked like a

00:22:13.340 january 6th kind of thing like they had all these state troopers kind of or they looked like state

00:22:17.720 troopers with the hats and like uh but having to kind of barricade and they were you know trying

00:22:22.320 to push in well one of the main the guys leading it um i mean he kind of he looked more pagan more

00:22:28.880 satanic than the january 6th shaman right he was i didn't see that oh yeah yeah and i i know some

00:22:34.200 people online were saying he was an actual satanist i'm not sure if that's true or not i

00:22:37.380 haven't confirmed it but uh they're in my area where i live right now very liberal a lot of

00:22:43.280 transgenderism transgender flags uh all that stuff and the paganism is right now growing like crazy

00:22:49.940 like you go into my local barnes and noble and the whole display shelf is just books on casting

00:22:54.320 spells crystals it's that's all it is um and and i'm not saying that the two are i i'm saying they

00:23:01.800 are related i'm not saying that if if you have one you're necessarily going to have the other

00:23:06.480 but they tend to show up together right and and so um i i think we've you and i are we grew up at

00:23:14.580 the tail end being millennials of kind of the last kind of gasping breath of a liberal neutral

00:23:20.500 order, where we were still kind of riding these Christian assumptions, thinking that those were

00:23:25.680 just going to carry us into a secular world where we'd still hold on to them. And in a very naive

00:23:32.080 way, I suppose, our parents thought that, our grandparents probably thought that, but we were

00:23:37.900 the last generation in that. And the Gen Z, I think, is where it's a return to paganism now. 0.91

00:23:45.640 And the transgenderism is coming along with that. And that's what pagans love to do. I'm talking 0.99

00:23:50.320 about satanic occultic pagan stuff like they love to destroy god's order break down categories 0.99

00:23:57.820 merge things it's chaos it says in scripture right what does satan do kills steals destroys 0.69

00:24:04.600 right it's the destruction of the categories of even men and women which is so basic

00:24:08.820 and we all you know we always think of abortion as a sacrament you know a sacrament of the left

00:24:13.540 and a sacrament of the left being pagan that it's not just secular i like what you're saying john

00:24:17.960 because you're absolutely right. I think secularism is not a viable position. Now,

00:24:23.840 no position except for Jesus is Lord, you know, is a viable position in the long-term indefinite

00:24:30.640 eternal sense. But there are certain false religions that are more viable in a human 0.58

00:24:36.640 temporal sense than secularism. Islam will outlast secularism. Secularism is, it's a virus, 1.00

00:24:43.440 or better but it's like a parasite it killed and it cannot survive on its own it has to have a

00:24:49.320 host and chrysidom was a really powerful host you know and so it's you know with with a host like

00:24:54.340 that you know that parasite can you know last for well since the enlightenment you know still

00:24:58.580 counting here but you know maybe 350 400 500 years but eventually um secularism will either 0.63

00:25:05.360 kill chrysidom in the west and won't kill christ and won't kill christianity uh globally and and i

00:25:11.280 believe you know god is sovereign and and we'll see an upswing and you know in in the future but

00:25:16.000 it could christendom could be completely dismantled in in the west um that's not a biblical promise

00:25:22.140 that we have that you know the west shall endure forever you know what like we don't we don't have

00:25:26.040 that so um if that happens though if secularism destroys it then secularism also destroys itself

00:25:31.700 it kills itself uh whereas certain forms of paganism so i think of islam like islam is it's

00:25:37.740 a christian heresy right so it is a heresy but it's a christian heresy it plays off of god's

00:25:42.920 created order um it meaning it has a rule book that does have a certain um a certain degree of

00:25:50.480 viability like for instance muslims have kids right you think of just practical things for

00:25:56.120 something to be viable that it actually actually has like some longevity a lifespan it can you know

00:26:02.000 it can it can live for a while secularism doesn't have that you know secularism it just you know

00:26:06.840 the moment it kills the host, it dies. Whereas Islam, you know, has longevity. It has distinctions 0.92

00:26:12.480 between men and women. It has hierarchy. It has patriarchy. It has, it's pro-children. It has

00:26:17.680 justice and things like that. Now we would disagree with, you know, some of the penalties,

00:26:23.500 you know, Sharia law and some of these kinds of things, but it does have a system of law and rules

00:26:28.080 and those kinds of things that mirrors in many ways, Christian law. And so all that being said,

00:26:34.260 um secularism is a placeholder secularism is a parasite that that i think was it was kind of

00:26:40.040 like um you know like some of those like horror sci-fi movies where you uh you have a particular 0.64

00:26:45.000 enemy and you release another monster to kill that enemy knowing that that that monster and i

00:26:52.240 think that's what like pagans have done with secularism is like we hate christianity we've 0.97

00:26:56.280 got to unleash the hounds we've got the hounds of hell secularism like don't no not that well 0.58

00:27:01.140 not not frankenstein's monster you know but like we you unleash that but you're like it's it's okay 0.97

00:27:06.160 guys because it'll kill christianity and it's like a bee that after it stings it dies you know it

00:27:10.340 loses its you know and so it'll die too and and then we'll have our real thing which is uh it's 0.53

00:27:16.820 it's satanism it's worship of a false god it is and you know and that's i think that's just

00:27:22.240 in inescapable this this whole you know sophisticated uh secular you know scientific

00:27:28.860 like it's always it's always every now and then the veil keeps getting lifted up you know what

00:27:34.220 i mean and it's like your your religion is showing the science yeah like i am science and it's it's

00:27:40.380 a religion it's not this neutral analytical lens it's it is a um there is a god there is an

00:27:48.460 orthodoxy there is blasphemy there are sacraments the whole nine yards yeah yeah there's a great

00:27:55.040 sifting happening right now. There's a great sort, whether you are, it's often attributed to

00:28:01.400 moving to different areas, like moving to where you are, because it's more conservative than

00:28:04.900 California. But the great sort is happening in all kinds of different areas, companies.

00:28:10.920 I saw JP Spears, who's a comedian on YouTube just a few days ago, made a whole video about how

00:28:17.260 basically, and I don't know if he's saved, but he's like way closer to Christianity than he was

00:28:24.220 even two years ago. And he attributes it to how evil things are. And he can't deny there's evil

00:28:32.220 in front of me. I need God if this is the world I'm inhabiting. And it's sort of shocking people

00:28:38.100 into taking a side, whether are we going to be on Christ's side or are we going to be on the side

00:28:43.240 of the devil? And those are the two options. And we do need to, I think, press that. Going back to

00:28:49.020 what James Lindsay had put on Twitter, he said that he implied that the reason that

00:28:54.640 leftists, the woke, he said, hate Christianity is because it's a feature of Western civilization,

00:29:01.780 right? And so we shouldn't buy into the narrative of it's Christians versus transgender people. 0.90

00:29:07.380 We should see it for what it is. It's like an attack on Western civ. But if you think about it, 1.00

00:29:13.520 But that's also identity. It doesn't actually solve the issue. You're not retreating to a neutral place where it's like, well, Western Civ transcends identity. What Western Civ is also, it might be broad, but it's also an identity to say, I'm part of Western Civ.

00:29:31.360 And what do you mean by that is the other question.

00:29:33.940 So what do you mean you're part of Western civilization?

00:29:36.320 Does that mean you value scientific inquiry and the enlightenment?

00:29:40.180 Or are you more in the Reformed, you know, the Christian side of that?

00:29:47.980 Because those are also two different things.

00:29:50.000 And Western civilization can be broad.

00:29:52.340 You can go back to Greco-Roman myths.

00:29:54.700 You can go back to the Bible, and you're in Western Civ tradition.

00:29:57.360 and uh so the only point i really wanted to make on that is just that um don't don't disbelieve

00:30:06.400 what your eyes are seeing right now it is the world lined up against jesus christ and those

00:30:12.740 who represent him jesus said it would be that way it's not because of western civ ultimately i'm not

00:30:18.400 saying they don't hate western civ but it's they hate christ and it's more the other way civilization

00:30:22.760 because it was built by Christianity. 0.81

00:30:25.200 Exactly.

00:30:25.680 Yeah, exactly.

00:30:27.260 It's more like that's why they hate Western civ.

00:30:29.320 Exactly.

00:30:29.820 It's the opposite of what James Lindsay is saying.

00:30:32.000 It's not, they don't hate Christianity,

00:30:33.840 they hate Western civilization. 0.95

00:30:35.100 No, they hate Christianity

00:30:36.940 and therefore they're attacking, you know, 0.61

00:30:39.100 the things that Christianity,

00:30:40.220 they're deconstructing everything 0.73

00:30:42.120 that Christianity has built, right? 1.00

00:30:43.960 And Western civilization is one of those things.

00:30:47.180 I remember thinking about this

00:30:48.960 all the way back in like 2018

00:30:50.660 when I was leaving Acts 29.

00:30:52.760 and thinking like okay what's the one common denominator like what are all the things that

00:30:57.560 are hated and they weren't blatantly saying we hate these things but i knew like i was a white

00:31:01.460 you know male pastor in act 29 and i'm watching and i knew i mean it's obvious like we can say

00:31:07.740 it now in 2018 it was really hard to say and i said some of these things and i you know kind of

00:31:11.880 got in trouble and was warmly asked to leave and then i chose to leave and you know those kinds of

00:31:15.180 things but um i remember thinking like if i was a black pastor i'm white if i was black um i would

00:31:20.840 have 10 times the opportunity in act 29 guaranteed oh yeah probably objectively yeah definitive

00:31:25.940 statement that's like absolutely true i know i would i absolutely know i would um and so i was

00:31:32.420 thinking my my whiteness right my is is not appreciated here um you know and hated might

00:31:38.800 have been a strong term at the time but but it was a subtle form of of of hate it was it was

00:31:44.720 discrimination um and so so white okay and then male right i started noticing not just in act 29

00:31:51.880 but all across we see it in the sbc we see it all over and that's that's just evangelical it's all

00:31:56.940 just as bad if not worse in the world except you know the sbc usually can keep par with

00:32:01.380 the degrees of immorality of the world so i can't say the world's worst necessarily in the 0.97

00:32:05.280 shadow that follows it but from a distance but the whole you know believe all women the whole 0.89

00:32:10.480 hashtag me too, hashtag church too, hashtag, you know? Um, so then it's like, okay, so we hate

00:32:15.020 white, we hate male, uh, we hate straight, you know, cisgendered, whatever that is. Um, we hate 0.99

00:32:21.740 children. Right. So then, and, and I, and I just started looking at all these things and I'm

00:32:26.040 thinking like, where, where can I connect these dots? Where is a common denominator? Um, you know,

00:32:31.660 and the scientific method, um, being on time promptness is whiteness. And that's, and I started 0.76

00:32:36.980 realizing along the way, I was like, they don't hate whiteness. They hate Christ. They don't hate

00:32:42.680 Western civilization. They hate Christ. They don't hate patriarchy, even. They hate Christ.

00:32:47.420 Patriarchy, whiteness, all these things. And that's not to say that whiteness is synonymous

00:32:51.900 with the Christian faith. That is only to say there's nothing inherently more Christian about

00:32:58.000 being white. It's not an argument from something being inherent. I'm simply saying that providentially 0.56

00:33:03.540 in god's providence um there has been massive revival and chrysidon established for the last

00:33:10.320 500 years arguably a thousand years if we go back to king alfred primarily in western predominantly

00:33:15.760 white countries that's so it's it's you know and and if it doesn't change i had another tweet the

00:33:20.980 other day where i said um and you know sometime soon seeing uganda in the position that they're 0.97

00:33:25.760 taking against lgbt like laughing at it which is good to mock and to laugh this is ridiculous

00:33:30.620 no way um but i i posted a clip of you know ugandans celebrating you know um overruling

00:33:36.880 and i said uh very soon if the west doesn't repent that there'll be running commercials

00:33:41.440 in uganda that say for just a dollar a day you can support a little white kid in america and

00:33:45.540 give him a christian education oh no that's good because it's not inherent to to to pigment skin

00:33:52.700 pigment you know and ethnicity it's just in god's providence um for a thousand years he's done a lot

00:33:59.440 among white people and i can you can prove this point easily joel even with what i said about

00:34:05.300 what's happening in the kentucky legislature this morning these uh neo-pagan ideas or this

00:34:11.560 rising neo-paganism primarily they're trying to draw from norse mythology and it's really

00:34:17.220 the mythology of europe more broadly uh they i don't really know all the the differences but

00:34:23.260 But there's there, you know, the Welsh and Irish and all the different pagan kind of deities that were the pre-Christian we were understandings where they were pagans.

00:34:34.160 Right. And so that's what they're they think that they're going back to.

00:34:37.840 And they don't have any problem with that. 0.80

00:34:39.280 Those people are white, but they have no problem with appropriating white European culture as long as it's not Christian. 0.87

00:34:45.600 And this is on the transgender side of it.

00:34:47.920 So they just don't say that that's part of whiteness.

00:34:50.580 So when they say talk about whiteness, you know, they're talking about something specific and Christianity seems to be related to it to some extent. 0.76

00:34:57.560 And really, their goal is to rip down the society that we live in and all the institutions in it that white people who are influenced by Christianity set up. 0.79

00:35:07.540 And so they were and we're still in the process of ripping those things down.

00:35:11.140 So as long as the ripping down is happening, I think you're going to see this now when the building up starts happening, which may be that's already started.

00:35:18.220 But when that really gets going, um, it's going to be look a little different. 0.60

00:35:22.560 I think you're going to start to see more overt implementation of pagan rituals into

00:35:27.380 our society.

00:35:28.120 Our calendar is going to look pagan.

00:35:30.580 It's already starting on that.

00:35:32.240 Um, we're going to be celebrating, you know, things we might even be celebrating things

00:35:36.180 like the solstice and so forth.

00:35:37.780 I mean, I, I would not be surprised if I've lived to see a day where the, uh, if things

00:35:43.400 continue as they are, again, I'm hoping they don't, right.

00:35:46.000 and a men of you you're definitely hoping but i would just for the record as someone who's post

00:35:51.140 mill right we live in the light of eternity christians can afford to be patient i i it's

00:35:56.000 entirely possible within my eschatological framework that um that for the next 550 years

00:36:02.180 god forbid but if he sees fit 500 years that the west could be absolutely decimated we could go

00:36:07.900 back to a stone age we could you know lose technology all these kind of horror things

00:36:12.180 could happen i just think that you know if that happens for 500 years well then we're going to

00:36:16.600 have at least another 5 000 years for it to be you know i just think that it's ultimately it's

00:36:20.880 going to be one step back 10 step back uh but if it's one step back it'll be two forward if it's

00:36:25.780 10 it'll be 20 you know so i that's that's all i hold to as a as a post-millennial i have no

00:36:30.840 promise in the bible uh for america i'm praying for america i want america to be a christian

00:36:36.020 nation i know you do too um but but i don't have any you know america can be wiped out

00:36:41.340 i just think that the nations with our christ inheritance and progressively not the cataclysmic

00:36:47.960 suddenly soon eschatology but the gradualistic progressive victorious hopeful eschatology that

00:36:55.680 christ will win the hearts of the nations progressively throughout human history over

00:37:00.640 time, but that could be 40,000 years from now. You're not a boomer con. That's all. That's why

00:37:06.560 you don't think America is part of this, right? That's, or it doesn't have to be, I should say.

00:37:11.080 Right. Yeah. Which is what I see a lot of the guys with that eschatology who are more

00:37:15.060 boomer cons say they definitely see it. It's to say, well, anyway, that's it. We're on a tangent.

00:37:19.740 I don't, we're kind of getting far from the school shooting here, but, um, but yeah, so we were 0.61

00:37:24.540 talking about, uh, the transition though, from the Christian society and then this temporary 0.94

00:37:29.780 holding mechanism of liberal democracy, secular, to now the start, I think Gen Z is the start of 0.84

00:37:37.680 the return to paganism. And it's already happened in Europe. I think Europe, if we look to Europe, 0.97

00:37:44.320 we can get a glimpse into our future a little bit. And I don't know how many years, depending

00:37:49.160 on the European nation, but if you look at Germany, for example, we're probably looking at

00:37:53.640 things that are 20 years maybe less now with technology at least 10 years ahead or behind

00:38:00.780 depending on how you know regression um the netherlands right the netherlands uh there's

00:38:05.740 a video going around you might have seen it of uh it's i think it's national television so it's 0.71

00:38:11.680 public television in the netherlands and it's a bunch of transgender uh people lined up naked

00:38:18.940 literally naked and and of course they blurred it out in the version going around on twitter but 0.88

00:38:24.560 and they have kids little kids in the room in the audience and it's a it's a very nice studio

00:38:30.560 and it's just it's an interview the kids are you seen this i watched two seconds and i couldn't do

00:38:36.100 i just turned it off and i took i took willy i took william wolf's word for it i pretty much

00:38:41.080 all the videos that i can't stand to watch i know that william wolf is going to be uh retweeting

00:38:45.200 that video i'll read his summary and that'll you know and that'll be sufficient i'll just i'll just

00:38:50.500 say yeah i agree with him so i couldn't watch the whole thing either um but but you see that that's

00:38:56.440 a level of like your jaw is just on the floor it's like this is accepted and the kids are saying

00:39:01.100 every kid said it was normal uh that this was it was they were celebrating it that they felt

00:39:06.600 uh one of the one of the young ladies who had her breasts removed uh was standing there just

00:39:12.280 how euphoric she felt when it happened and empowered. And so this is celebrated. If you

00:39:18.400 look at some of the government, the ceremonies that take place in the government, like there

00:39:24.200 was a tunnel that I think it was in Germany, if I'm not mistaken, that was, this was now a few

00:39:29.360 years ago that was built and you had Angela Merkel there and just all these dignitaries and their

00:39:34.200 opening ceremony was complete paganism. And I know when the Olympics, the last Olympics that 0.88

00:39:40.700 happened i think it was the same thing there i i know that i get sent these videos now and then

00:39:45.300 from europe of like can you believe that like the civil rulers came and prince charles is

00:39:50.900 participating in this you know bull that's right there looking like a satanic bull they're all

00:39:55.420 worshiping and i'm like yeah yeah i can believe that because that's what happens when you eradicate

00:40:00.640 christianity it doesn't return to secularism and that oh we all have common ground now we're just

00:40:06.080 going to treat each other nice that whole treat each other nice is from christianity right like

00:40:10.020 that's right so um so i'm i'm pretty adamant on this and i'm and i'm not trying to james lindsey

00:40:17.260 was just one of the few people that i i came to my mind because i was recently looking at that

00:40:21.780 tweet it's not unique to him i have nothing against him but it's this is a mentality that

00:40:26.640 i think a lot of especially older folks in gen x and and the boomers they it's like i don't i don't

00:40:34.480 want to overly psychologize this but i think because they remember some element of neutrality

00:40:41.040 that seemed to work in their minds they think we can return to it and no we can't right and the

00:40:48.120 neutrality never worked it was like it was almost like having um well it's i think it was just you

00:40:55.060 know in in that moment in history you have the the tides are shifting and you're going from

00:41:00.940 predominantly Christian and minority being pagan. And then all of a sudden there's this moment that

00:41:08.480 lasted for about a generation or two, or maybe three at most, where it's, okay, the Christian 0.65

00:41:14.500 tide is going out because of apostasy and sin and rejection of Christ. And the pagan tide is coming 0.98

00:41:23.320 in, but we hit this brief moment that lasted 40, 50, 60, 70 years, but in the light of 0.79

00:41:32.660 eternity, it's very brief where you had about 50-50, right?

00:41:36.700 The Christian tie's going out, the pagan tie's coming in, and they're about equal for a

00:41:40.520 moment, and it gave the illusion of neutrality, but it was never neutrality. 0.92

00:41:46.620 The only thing that made it seem like neutrality is that there was still enough Christian tide

00:41:51.260 pushing back the the threat of of satan that was coming in to where it you know but but that what

00:41:59.620 that is not a viable that's not a holding uh zone that's not a that's not a viable sustainable

00:42:05.600 position uh that's classic classical liberalism i think is one of the one that will be you know

00:42:11.660 viewed as one of history's greatest jokes you know that we'll look back on and and you know

00:42:15.840 laugh about libertarianism is a really great joke but but the the problem is that we all

00:42:21.280 the jokes on us you know or at least on our parents and prior generations and still some

00:42:26.320 guys today's just still still have not gotten the joke but that's going out we're we're in

00:42:30.880 trouble the solution is christ it's a return to christ he has a name it's not just principled

00:42:36.360 pluralism there is a name of all truth he is a person it's the lord jesus christ apart from that 0.95

00:42:42.320 we're, we are screwed. I was interviewing a scholar, uh, recently for the 1607 project

00:42:50.740 and, uh, he's a political philosopher. And so he, and he's not a Christian. Um, now everyone on that

00:42:57.800 project is, is either Christian or very pro-Christian. Like they see the necessity of

00:43:03.120 having a Christian civilization. They're not blind to the fact that it's really bad when you get rid 1.00

00:43:07.940 of Jesus, but this particular individual was not. And he said to me something I thought was

00:43:12.080 interesting, Joel. He goes, well, paganism seemed to work, kind of. And he goes, and Christianity

00:43:16.680 seems to work. But this whole liberal democracy thing, that can't work. And of course, I don't

00:43:22.960 think paganism really works, but I know what he meant by it. And I think this is what, you just

00:43:28.600 mentioned libertarians. I think it's what libertarians and boomer cons and neocons, I think

00:43:36.620 they don't tend to see this as clearly the way that communities in God's providence and his design

00:43:44.380 function. Communities aren't just composites of individuals, right? Going after their own

00:43:51.320 interests and then, and then capable of peaceably coexisting together as they pursue their own

00:43:56.440 buried interests. Communities actually have much more of a symbiosis and actually communists,

00:44:02.500 I think, though they pervert this quite a bit, and they try to make it abstract and try to make the state the one that communities coalesce around. So they pervert everything. They kind of get this a little better than even libertarians that actually man was created to be in community. When you're born, you are born into a community and you have immediately responsibilities that are attached to you.

00:44:27.700 I mean, you're benefiting from the fire department. You're benefiting from the medical establishment. You're benefiting from from all the different resources and institutions in your society. And that's why good model citizens, when they grow up, they get involved. Right. And it used to be the model citizen in Norman Rockwell world was he goes to the Presbyterian, you know, not Second Presbyterian Church. He's an elder there and he's he's on the volunteer fire department.

00:44:51.060 And, you know, they're very involved people because the Lions Club, remember that?

00:44:55.860 No, I don't know about that.

00:44:59.200 Oh, the Lions.

00:45:00.040 Yes, yes, yes, yes.

00:45:00.880 No, I do know about that.

00:45:01.800 Yes.

00:45:02.580 Yeah.

00:45:03.480 Yeah.

00:45:03.920 And there used to be all these civic organizations.

00:45:05.680 He goes to the bowling club on Tuesday night, right?

00:45:08.340 These voluntary associations are kind of gone now.

00:45:11.420 But but that was the way that a lot of these people who grew up in the 1950s, 60s, 70s,

00:45:17.780 that's what they remember.

00:45:18.840 And even 80s, to some extent, they remember that time when that was the model citizen. And so I think there's an assumption that you can just kind of keep living that way with this Christianity kind of running in the background, because that's what's telling you, you should love your neighbor.

00:45:34.780 um but now we we've gotten rid of the whole foundation for that society and we've gotten rid

00:45:42.120 of um the glue that keeps us together as a community we've thrown out the whole the whole

00:45:48.180 mechanisms thrown out and and for libertarians it's i think a lot of the secular ones they are

00:45:54.860 looking at man as god as man is self-sufficient in and of himself he doesn't have any obligations

00:45:59.980 and somehow you think that's going to work for society it can't and it's not going to since man 1.00

00:46:05.840 is a social creature it cannot prevent the other gen z folks from being swept up into the woke

00:46:11.320 movement because they're going to look at that and they're going to see oh i have identity in that i

00:46:14.720 have community in that i was made to have responsibility it gives me a purpose they're

00:46:18.960 going to run right towards that rather than a message of you figure out your own purpose we

00:46:24.240 don't really have a purpose as as a group together and you're your own thing like that's the

00:46:29.480 kiss of death. Um, and, uh, so I probably sounds too strong on this, but I'm just, I do not want

00:46:36.780 Christians falling for that. You have to, your community matters, right? As far as your identity, 0.99

00:46:42.280 but your primary identity is in Christ. And that's why these other things, they all line up under

00:46:47.340 that. And, and, and you get, you got to wear that on your sleeve. I'm sorry. Like, you know,

00:46:53.420 making fun of Christians because they wear it on their sleeve too much because it's part too much

00:46:56.480 part of their identity no ramp it up 10 that's what i say yep amen so as we're kind of heading

00:47:03.380 towards a conclusion here what do you think like what what are some practical things that christians

00:47:08.240 can do i mean first and foremost i mean this this is a spiritual thing that we can do um but i i just

00:47:14.180 i have i'm not trying to sound pious but i i've just as a dad with young kids and knowing that

00:47:20.300 like my face is on the internet saying some hashtag based things that,

00:47:25.420 that liberals would hate to hear. And, um, I'm, you know,

00:47:29.740 and just thinking about like somebody wanting to kill my, my kids, you know,

00:47:35.360 um, okay, because there's a pastor in Tennessee right now who, 0.62

00:47:39.720 whose kid just died, you know, 1.00

00:47:41.400 was just killed by an unstable, insane transgender person. And they, 1.00

00:47:46.440 and they are, of course they're insane. They don't know, 0.99

00:47:48.800 they don't know what gender they are you know and so knowing that that that is a real possibility

00:47:53.200 because it literally just happened um i'm i'm just you know i'm praying like that i i found myself

00:47:59.740 the last few days just praying more i try to pray regularly regardless but i've my prayer life has

00:48:05.820 had a good uptick because i'm just i feel like god we need you because i'm you know i'm just

00:48:12.000 thinking like they they say you know at any given point we're only nine meals away from anarchy you

00:48:16.280 know and these because i'm thinking like okay i like get a gun just practical get a gun uh move

00:48:23.060 off the reservation a little bit if you can't you know like right now we live in a in a nice

00:48:27.480 neighborhood but it's a neighborhood it's a cookie cutter neighborhood you know and having

00:48:31.000 some land being in just a physically more defensible position a little bit further back

00:48:36.420 from you know uh from town and not right in the middle of you know a bunch of people who had beto

00:48:41.860 signs in their front yard just a few months ago you know what i mean like that person's not my

00:48:45.880 friend you know that person is not on the same team and not saying i'm against them but they are

00:48:49.600 against me um and they probably just haven't found my youtube channel yet but what if they do

00:48:53.900 like these are real kind of scenarios um and so you know get some land get a gun you know have

00:49:00.220 have some food reserves uh try to plant a garden those kinds of things but at the end of the day

00:49:04.860 i'm just thinking like what like we're talking about an entire generation of people who who are

00:49:12.700 growing up who are, they are mentally unstable. This Gen Z generation is like, it's scary. And

00:49:23.940 I know there's some good ones that like, because in God's prophet, it's kind of like this 0.60

00:49:27.400 harsh split where there's crazy God-hating progressive Gen Z. And then there's some 0.54

00:49:33.060 ultra conservative 17-year-olds who love the Lord and who are outspoken about their Christianity

00:49:42.140 and praise god for them but i'm just thinking um man practically prayer is what i just keep coming

00:49:48.180 back to but practically what do we do to like i've got a five-year-old a three-year-old a two-year-old

00:49:52.740 and a six-month-old and and i'm thinking yeah they they could be killed and i you know we say

00:49:58.820 that in the past i'm feeling it now like like no that really could happen no i same yeah i i

00:50:05.300 this whole thing put me in a mood for like two days of like and just walking around

00:50:12.840 like feeling heavy yep that's how that um and it's we shootings happen like there's been other

00:50:21.020 shootings and i've felt kind of heavy this one's different for me i think it's because it's an

00:50:24.720 attack on like those are my people right um that's part of it and then the to see the reaction

00:50:31.180 is not universal condemnation it's uh among very powerful members of the media

00:50:39.500 trying to flip the script and i'm just like what in the world this isn't the country that i remember

00:50:45.660 growing up in and it's not it's real quick i think it's three things these are our people so

00:50:49.900 we identify with them because they're brothers and sisters in christ christians it's also yeah

00:50:53.560 the way that um the culture has responded to it saying well the true victim is the person who

00:50:58.100 murdered nine three nine-year-old children like so that's crazy um but then the third thing i think

00:51:03.800 that why i felt so heavy and i've had to just go to the lord right to be anxious about nothing but

00:51:08.740 with prayer and stuff so i've been anxious a little bit and that's in that i i believe that's

00:51:13.060 a sin yeah and so i'm trying when i get anxious when i get scared because i get scared believe

00:51:17.820 it or not people think like joel say anything he's not but i get scared about my kids you know

00:51:21.900 and so i just have to go to god and repent of my fear and pray so instead of being anxious do not

00:51:26.680 be anxious for anything but with prayer and supplications make your request known to god

00:51:29.800 and it's because of this third one one there are people the christians two uh the way that um all

00:51:34.540 the lies about it and it's seeing the cultural backlash um but then three um a lot of the

00:51:41.040 shootings before the one of the ways this is different is uh they were at public schools

00:51:44.760 and honestly i just have to confess and i don't know if i was maybe it was subconscious maybe i

00:51:51.380 But one way or another, conscious or subconscious, I have been harboring and cherishing the idea in my mind that, yeah, terrible things happen in the world, but I can avoid them because I won't put my kids in public school.

00:52:05.380 You know what I mean?

00:52:06.380 But then seeing this and right now being in the process with a team of people in my church to start a classical Christian school that I plan on my kids going to and just seeing it and being like, we're not safe.

00:52:19.980 I thought, I thought that like, you know, it's always a shame. It's a tragedy when an image bearer dies. But if parents really want to, they can, they can escape that, right? Like get out of California. I did. Get out of the public schools. I did.

00:52:37.140 and it turns out you can live in nashville tennessee as a presbyterian putting your kids

00:52:44.540 in a private classical christian school and you could still get a phone call and find out that

00:52:50.820 they're lying in a pool of their own blood we are not safe with like we are not safe it's a good

00:52:57.560 reminder though that that's how christians live for centuries knowing that that could happen um

00:53:05.100 and the life this world is not our home it's temporary but we do live here for now and we're

00:53:12.280 responsible for what god's given to us and to be good stewards but the rest the results belong to

00:53:19.100 him um i was talking about this with a uh a an episcopal priest believe it or not who's

00:53:26.240 conservative one of the last few remaining ones i suppose and um one of the things i thought was

00:53:33.620 really interesting he was saying because he said we're always on the defensive we need to go on the

00:53:36.700 offensive here culturally speaking we just haven't done that we're so used to playing defense

00:53:43.180 and he said it's been hard to do that though on the national level because you can only rise so

00:53:50.960 far in an institution before you're zapped you the door is shut to you because your beliefs are

00:53:56.600 way too out of step with those running those institutions. So the only thing what we really

00:54:04.160 have is authority on the local level, which he does have. He said that, he goes, 90% of my church

00:54:11.340 is probably pro-gay marriage. You know, this guy is so anti-gay marriage, but he's an Episcopal

00:54:15.640 priest, so go figure that out. And he said, though, that, and so he says he doesn't even

00:54:21.540 have a church, right? These are people that attend that don't even know the Lord. But they,

00:54:25.420 he said most of them defend him, that he won't, you know, participate in that. He showed up at

00:54:31.800 the school, the local school to oppose their diversity agenda. And he was successful in on 1.00

00:54:39.360 the local level. And so you can kind of create a shield around your local community and gain

00:54:47.160 rapport and gain leadership and gain respect with people in your local community that you would

00:54:54.220 never be able to do on a national level. And if we can, if we can reciprocate, like repeat that

00:54:59.140 all over the place, then I think that is a shield. So that's one strategy. I think local strategy.

00:55:05.400 The other thing is what you did. And I think of what Jesus did in Luke four as kind of what you

00:55:09.800 did. It says, but he passed through their midst and went on his way when the Pharisees were trying

00:55:14.020 to push him off a cliff. Right. So he avoided, he didn't directly confront in that situation.

00:55:20.040 he he knew they were threatening his life and it wasn't his time and so he passed through the

00:55:25.060 crowd so if you can move from a place where you're potentially in a greater threat to a place where

00:55:31.420 you're in have less of a threat then there's nothing wrong with that jesus did the same thing

00:55:36.100 it doesn't mean that you're 100 safe right but your children could also get a life-threatening

00:55:41.920 disease right right it doesn't have to be someone who comes in and hates them for being christians

00:55:48.180 so so so i think what you're doing too and when praying that that's so key in all of this like

00:55:54.580 we could take all the precautions all the strategies do everything right and we're still

00:55:59.880 not going to out game this thing because there's no out gaming it without god uh blessing our

00:56:06.240 efforts and it really has to be his efforts that we're just part of so yeah um that's helpful john

00:56:12.420 Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Well, any last words, uh, tell our, tell our listeners, let's go ahead and

00:56:17.800 conclude, but tell them how to follow you, but also tell them, um, how just briefly,

00:56:21.980 cause you mentioned it, but maybe just a quick synopsis about the 1607 project and how they

00:56:26.400 can support that. Yeah. I appreciate you plugging that. Yeah. 1607 project.com. You can donate

00:56:31.660 501c3. So it's tax deductible. Um, it's, it's a project that I'm working on right now, uh,

00:56:39.200 that is meant to answer the 1619 project and give the correct understanding of American history,

00:56:47.800 what makes America unique. We do have a great section on Christianity. So it's going to be an

00:56:54.820 essay, a series of essays, and also, which will be put into a book, a documentary. I'm in charge

00:57:00.260 of the documentary, but I just had Zach Garris out last weekend. He's the one that's dealing with

00:57:04.900 early American religion. And it was great. I mean, he loves the Lord. I know you've had him

00:57:10.800 on your show. So if anyone wants to support that, you can go to 1607project.com to follow me,

00:57:16.720 worldviewconversation.com, and there's all the links to social media there.

00:57:20.680 Great. Okay, John, thanks for coming on the show. And everybody, thanks for listening.

00:57:24.660 My pleasure. Thanks, Joel.

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The NXR Podcast - April 04, 2023

THEOLOGY APPLIED - Rising Demonic Hostility ｜ What Christians MUST Do To Protect Their Children ｜ with Jon Harris

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