The NXR Podcast - November 28, 2023


THEOLOGY APPLIED - Should Christians Join The Military Under Our Current Regime？ with Asa Miller

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Pastor Asa Miller served as a United States Navy SEAL for six years and is now writing for a news outlet in Arizona called The Republic Sentinel. In this episode of Theology Applied, Pastor Joel Webman sits down with Asa to talk about his experiences in the military and the impact it had on his life and the lives of others.

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00:00:45 in this day and age should christian parents with older adult children encourage their children to
00:00:52 join the military? This is the question we'll be discussing in today's episode of Theology
00:00:57 Applied, where I welcome Asa Miller, former Navy SEAL, to the show. Tune in now.
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00:01:15 All right, welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied. I'm your host, Pastor Joel
00:01:19 Webman with Right Response Ministries. And in this episode, I'm very privileged to welcome
00:01:23 on to the show for the first time, Asa Miller. Asa, thanks for coming on.
00:01:28 Absolutely. Thanks for having me on, Joel.
00:01:30 So go ahead and introduce yourself. The little bit that I know about you is that you're a soft
00:01:35 man, you're effeminate, kind of a little bit limp-wristed, right? That's what you do for a
00:01:40 living. No, I'd be facetious, but go ahead and tell people you're not doing it anymore,
00:01:45 But previously you were a. Yeah. So I was a SEAL for six years in the in the Navy.
00:01:52 And during that time, did one deployment to Africa.
00:01:57 And then during that was kind of the covid pandemic, which is what we're going to focus on today, talking about how that affected my career and so many Americans.
00:02:07 And then since then, I've actually got out in May of this year and I'm just doing some work with a company called Armored Republic.
00:02:15 out in Phoenix, Arizona. And then I also write for the, uh, the news outlet Republic Sentinel.
00:02:22 Great. And that's, uh, Ben Zaislov is over there, right? With the Sentinel.
00:02:26 Yeah. He's our head editor.
00:02:29 Awesome. Um, how many years did you do?
00:02:32 So I was in the Navy a total of six. Um, the first, first year and a half are in training
00:02:37 more or less. And then the last, you know, four and a half years. Yep. We're, uh, we're as a SEAL.
00:02:42 yeah did you enjoy hell week yeah i absolutely crushed it it was phenomenal
00:02:49 so did you spend a little bit of time during your training on the uh on the west coast san
00:02:56 diego yeah so pretty much all the the first year and a half um minus a few months are in san diego
00:03:03 and that's where you're based out of and then you'll do um trips but yeah a lot of time down
00:03:09 And then you said you were team four.
00:03:10 So you spent most of your time on the East Coast?
00:03:13 Correct.
00:03:14 Yes.
00:03:14 Great.
00:03:15 Yeah.
00:03:16 When I was, I pastored in San Diego for a while and at any given point, we, you know, it's
00:03:20 not like we had, you know, a whole sealed team, but we would have five or six at a time
00:03:24 and they were all odd numbers stationed in San Diego.
00:03:28 And so got to know a little bit of that world, never entering it myself, but pastoring some
00:03:33 of the guys who that was their, their daily routine.
00:03:36 So it was interesting.
00:03:37 You know, sometimes it's like the guys who were going through training, you know, they were they were rough and, you know, because they're just nonstop.
00:03:46 But then the guys who were stationed there, you know, they could be super busy and gone for nine months at a time.
00:03:51 And then they could have six months where they were working, you know, an hour a day, you know, and able to volunteer and do a lot with the church.
00:03:58 So they were a blessing.
00:04:00 That's awesome. Yeah. And I'm glad that they had someone like you to be out there because it's hard when you live that lifestyle constantly up and down.
00:04:07 tempo and being able to have a church where you can be, uh, be led and mentored in those
00:04:13 downtimes. It's definitely beneficial, but that's all. Right. So let's talk about the upcoming
00:04:18 project. Uh, the Sentinel is about to release a documentary. Can you tell us a little bit about
00:04:23 that? Yeah. So, um, since getting out, um, I've been working with the Sentinel, as I mentioned,
00:04:28 and we are producing a documentary called seals beat Biden. Um, I'd encourage everybody to go
00:04:33 just type that into the browser sealsbeatbiden.com and you can put your email in and they'll keep you
00:04:39 up to date it'll be releasing here in November but the the premise of the story there's going
00:04:45 to be a two-part two-part series and the first part just tells the story of COVID what happened
00:04:51 specifically in a in the military and more or less no one was able to push back against the
00:05:00 mandates at the beginning. No one really knew how. There was military mandates, there were civilian
00:05:06 mandates, schools, everyone was being forced to get this vaccine. And so a group of me and my
00:05:14 fellow SEALs, we kind of stood up and we said, hey, we're not doing this. And the SEALs beat
00:05:21 Biden is kind of the story of how we were able to stand up to the administration, actually pursue
00:05:27 legal means of resisting the tyranny and then ultimately we won um and because of that um
00:05:35 you saw across the nation a bunch of different court cases popped up and all these mandates
00:05:39 ended up being rescinded um so that's part one and then part two just briefly is um the story's
00:05:48 not over so while yes covid was um is kind of we've moved on a little bit um there's been no
00:05:55 justice for the lives who are wrecked by that, not only through vaccine injuries, but just loss
00:06:00 of careers. And then additionally, we still see an administration who's pushing these radical
00:06:08 ideologies on not only society, but specifically the military, trying to use what's historically
00:06:15 been an apolitical institution to kind of bludgeon the American people and decrease resistance to
00:06:21 these cultural shifts through these radical ideologies. So we want to kind of show the
00:06:27 American people the bridge there and show them why, hey, we can't just forgive and forget and
00:06:33 move on. We still need to call these leaders to account. We still need to restore the lives that
00:06:40 were destroyed. And we need to prevent the further cultural shifts that they're trying to force on
00:06:46 us. Amen. Yeah. There will be no COVID amnesty. You know, the forgive and forget moving on the
00:06:54 gospel mandates forgiveness. However, Jesus is clear. If your brother, you know, how many times
00:07:02 shall I forgive my brother if he sins against me? You know, if he sins against me seven times,
00:07:07 Jesus says, you know, 70 times, seven times. And so, but one of the key things that I think a lot
00:07:13 of evangelicals miss is that Jesus says, if your brother sins against you this many times and goes
00:07:20 and repents to you, that there's actually a formal request for forgiveness and there's a repentance
00:07:27 of sin, then you are mandated to forgive your brother. And I think sometimes within the
00:07:31 evangelical church, we assume that we are mandated, morally obligated under God, under Christ to
00:07:38 forgive anyone who sins against us. But biblically speaking, we are morally obligated to forgive
00:07:44 anyone who sins against us and repents. And so, you know, with forgiveness, Doug Wilson even talks
00:07:50 about like a Christmas present that it's wrapped and placed under the tree so that we should avoid
00:07:56 and seek to put to death any temptation towards bitterness. And so we should be ready and eager
00:08:02 and willing to forgive. So the forgiveness is, it's prepared and it's wrapped, it's under the
00:08:08 tree. But there is still a waiting for that brother who sinned against us to come and actually
00:08:14 repent of their sin. And so whether it's a pastor who failed in COVID or whether it's the state,
00:08:19 you know, Caesar, or whether it's the military or in the private sector or whatever it might be,
00:08:25 in all these cases, we do want to move on. But we want to move on with repentance. Repentance is
00:08:32 the only way that we actually can move on. There are many who want to, they want to move on. They
00:08:37 want reconciliation, but they want reconciliation in such a way that it skips repentance. And that's
00:08:44 not actual reconciliation. That's, you know, love can cover a multitude of sins, but for the
00:08:50 relationship to actually contain trust, then there's not just covering sin, but there's sin
00:08:57 that's actually been confessed, it's been acknowledged, it's been repented of, and there's
00:09:02 true forgiveness. And we want that, um, because, uh, we, we want to ensure that these kinds of
00:09:08 things by the grace of God don't occur again. And so, um, so yeah, so it's, it's not just
00:09:14 rehashing, uh, rehashing this bad thing that happened three years ago, but it's saying, well,
00:09:19 this thing happened three years ago, but, um, but it was never actually repented of. There's never
00:09:24 actually been a real acknowledgement of error. And because of that, uh, the thing that happened
00:09:29 three years ago in many ways is still happening now. So could you just talk about that, flesh
00:09:35 that out a little bit for us, Asa, in terms of the fact that, yeah, there were atrocities that
00:09:41 took place and tyranny three years ago, but there has been no repentance. There has been no real
00:09:46 acknowledgement of error, and there are still tyrannies occurring today. What are some of those
00:09:53 things? So the word I like to use is accountability. The military has historically
00:10:01 been the most trusted institution in America for decades. Congress has been one of the least
00:10:07 trusted. And one of the reasons for that is because you go to boot camp and everyone knows
00:10:13 whether it's Marine Corps boot camp or whatever it is, you go to boot camp and you are changed
00:10:18 into a new person in a way. All these core attributes are instilled into integrity,
00:10:25 accountability, respect, discipline. And in order for you to maintain those things,
00:10:30 it's a lifestyle. You have to live it. And if you mess up, because we're human, we all messed up,
00:10:34 you take extreme ownership of it and you admit you're wrong and you show, you give a plan of how
00:10:41 you're going to go about doing things differently, how you're going to live up to the standard.
00:10:47 And if you don't do those things, then that standard is what holds you, holds your feet to the fire and you get punished, for lack of a better word, if you don't.
00:10:57 And so what we've seen over these last few years is that the military has completely given up on accountability and discipline and standards.
00:11:07 And so, I mean, we could look at a million different things from simple things like physical standards.
00:11:12 A study came out a few weeks ago that showed that three quarters of the military is either obese or or overweight.
00:11:19 And, you know, people might say, oh, that's a small thing, like a lot of the jobs in the military behind a desk.
00:11:25 But that shows just on a personal level, discipline and accountability is not there to even, you know, build your own body.
00:11:33 And then those progress from, you know, the small personal discipline that progresses into leadership failures.
00:11:40 We saw Afghanistan. Everyone at this point is familiar with the story. I mean, we lost 13 lives for no reason. It is tragic and terrible, but that was a direct result of failures of military leaderships, the generals on the ground in the State Department who were overseeing it.
00:11:57 It was failures on them to lead their men and to uphold a standard and allow them to engage a suicide bomber who they'd identified hours previously.
00:12:08 And then and then also we were seeing the fight with Senator Tommy Tuberville in the Senate where the DOD has made it clear they would rather prioritize circumnavigating federal law against funding abortions.
00:12:21 And they would rather try to circumnavigate that and find these creative loopholes to prioritize abortion over their own generals getting promoted.
00:12:33 And other than Tommy Tuberville, no one's really calling them out for that illegal action.
00:12:40 But my point is, we're seeing from a personal level all the way up to the top levels, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, we're seeing extreme lack of ownership and accountability across the board.
00:12:52 And COVID was a perfect example of that.
00:12:56 And so our goal with Seals Beat Biden is to just lay out all of these issues and show the dangers that they're causing.
00:13:03 And those dangers are not only the murder of our, you know, our children, but also you look at Europe and you see the largest land war that we've had since World War Two.
00:13:13 And that is a result of failure of aggressive, strong military and political leadership.
00:13:20 You look over at Israel in the last few weeks. Again, we see a failure of Americans to lead.
00:13:26 We see a failure of a strong military response. Afghanistan, we already talked about it.
00:13:32 we lost 13 lives. And with all these wars erupting around us, our Secretary of Defense
00:13:40 is claiming that the existential threat to America is climate change. The rising of half an inch of
00:13:48 water over the next 100 years, that's our existential threat when we have nuclear-powered
00:13:53 adversaries going to war. And so this is a big deal. And it's across the board, and it's affecting
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00:15:59 Yeah, the West appears to be, for a long time, but especially today, incredibly suicidal.
00:16:07 The West has a death wish that I think a lot of Westerners have simply, they may not even be completely conscious of it, but they've lost the will to live.
00:16:19 That we've actually, we've bought into white guilt.
00:16:24 We've bought into the oppressor and oppressed narrative to the point where many Westerners, they actually don't think that they deserve to have a heritage.
00:16:35 They've been taught and discipled and indoctrinated to despise and hate their heritage.
00:16:41 And so we've welcomed in through our borders and into our countries the very thing that will ultimately destroy the West. 0.90
00:16:51 And that's what we've seen in Europe. 0.96
00:16:53 I mean, I remember watching a video in France.
00:16:57 It was an old French lady who was on her knees pleading, but not pleading with the rioters, but actually pleading with the police not to hurt the rioters.
00:17:09 Please don't, you know, please don't be aggressive.
00:17:11 Please don't use physical, you know, action in order to, you know, to hold back the tide.
00:17:17 Please let these rioters burn down our cities.
00:17:20 Please let these rioters destroy our country. 0.52
00:17:24 And I thought that that was a perfect picture of the typical Westerner at this point, that we've been so, so strung out on guilt that we don't think that we can have borders.
00:17:38 We don't think that we can have a military.
00:17:40 We don't think that we deserve a defense or any of these things.
00:17:43 We've forgotten the goodness of the inherent goodness of God's design for sovereign nations, for their borders to be maintained.
00:17:52 We've forgotten that nations have an obligation first to their own citizens, that the civil
00:17:58 magistrate does not exist to strive towards the welfare of people on the other side of
00:18:06 the planet, but rather he exists in his first duty under God is to his own citizens, to
00:18:13 his own people.
00:18:13 And so everybody's a Christian nationalist if we're talking about Ukraine, everybody's
00:18:19 a Christian nationalist, certainly if we're talking about Israel.
00:18:22 The only country that you really are not allowed to love and seek its preservation is these United States.
00:18:29 And the military in its slow decline, I think, and rapid at this point, but the decline of a strong military seems to be evidence of what I've just said. 0.98
00:18:43 It also seems to be evidence of just the feminization of our culture as a whole and a putrid hatred of what might be referred to now as toxic masculinity, that we hate Westerners, we hate white people, we hate men. 0.97
00:19:00 And ultimately, I think all of that, the common denominator is that we hate Christ, we hate Christians and the Christian faith. 0.89
00:19:08 Do you have any thoughts on that? 0.57
00:19:09 yeah um it's hard to know where to begin but i'll start where you did with the with the white rage
00:19:15 that you talked about i mean we saw it immediately um when the when the administration turned over in
00:19:20 2020 i was on deployment and we we actually had to sit down as a platoon of navy seals we were
00:19:27 we were ordered to sit down and we had to go through a briefing on our white rage and we had
00:19:33 to you know sign letters that said you know we accept and like acknowledge that we have white
00:19:38 rage and we discriminate and we need to work on that and and i looked at this and i was like that
00:19:43 was kind of one of my first wake-up calls i was like wait a second like i don't have white rage
00:19:48 like there's people of every you know race ethnicity origin we had people you know we were
00:19:53 training partner force in in africa like we have no white rage against these people we're here to
00:19:58 help and and and we work with them in our own units um and so that was kind of i mean the white 0.96
00:20:04 rage issue in America is ridiculous. And the former chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff, 0.92
00:20:10 Mark Milley, he even talked to Congress about in an official hearing how he wanted to better
00:20:16 educate himself on his own white rage. And you look at these guys who are supposed to be your
00:20:21 leaders. These are the guys you follow. They have the decorated 40-year career. They're the manly
00:20:26 men in uniform. And you're like, what? How can I follow you? How can I respect you?
00:20:34 And so and that's that. And you see you see that the direct correlation and cause, you know, the direct, you know, what follows from that is that we see historic declines in retention and recruitment in the military.
00:20:50 The army just missed it this past year. 20,000 people are no longer going.
00:20:54 And you talked about feminism and kind of this, you know, fear of being a man.
00:21:01 The military has always historically been one of those places where you can, you know, go and learn how to be a man, you know, because everyone is everyone has testosterone, whether you like it or not.
00:21:10 And so how are you going to channel that? Are you going to be a gangbanger who's, you know, lets your testosterone destroy and hurt people?
00:21:19 or are you going to channel it in, you know, through discipline and, and hard work? And are
00:21:24 you going to use it to build something and to make the world a better place? And that's what
00:21:28 the military has always been. Um, but unfortunately that's, that's kind of been taken away from us.
00:21:34 And actually it reminded me as you were talking, I saw a video of yours the other day
00:21:38 and, and one of the guests was talking about whether or not they would advise their own
00:21:44 children to join the military. You guys had a brief discussion on that. And it's sad, but it's
00:21:50 true. I come from a military family. My dad spent 27 years in the Marine Corps. I grew up living on
00:21:57 military bases. I joined the military. I spent six years in it. And so it's always been a huge part
00:22:01 of my life. It's always been, you know, an example of a good man, you know, someone who joins the
00:22:07 military, not a requirement, but it helps. And now I've gotten to the point where, you know,
00:22:12 I have friends and family asking me like, Hey, should, you know,
00:22:15 should we send, you know, our son to the Academy or should he go enlisted or
00:22:19 officer, you know, should he try out buds? And it's,
00:22:22 it's tough because while, you know,
00:22:24 the first four years of my service were the best four years of my life,
00:22:28 learned the most grew, met incredible men,
00:22:31 developed incredible relationships.
00:22:34 The last two really showed the direction it's going.
00:22:38 And so it's not an easy answer for me. You know, I want to say yes,
00:22:41 absolutely and and as a christian i want to say yes we need to be that salt you know in the world
00:22:46 we need to be you know pointing people to christ and across all institutions so i don't want to
00:22:51 abandon it i don't want to retreat but also is it can you be a good christian man when you're
00:22:56 signing you know legal documents saying that you accept you have white rage and you're not going to
00:23:02 um that you agree with all these um social and political ideologies that are um fundamentally
00:23:10 anti-christian um so right it's tough it's hard and and there's no easy answer but we need right
00:23:18 um that's one of the one of the reasons again why we want to draw attention to this is because
00:23:23 it's reversible um the left did it you know christian um men of character common sense
00:23:30 we can we can do it as well we can take back these institutions it just requires us um
00:23:35 coming together, acknowledging what we're facing and creating game plans to, to fight back.
00:23:43 Right. R.R. Reno, a while back, he wrote a book called Return of the Strong Gods.
00:23:50 And he's kind of comparing and contrasting what he considers strong gods, lowercase g,
00:23:56 versus the weak gods. And the weak gods are, you know, in a nutshell, it's DEI, it's diversity,
00:24:03 its equity, its inclusion, uh, weak gods would be like egalitarianism, uh, feminism, um,
00:24:11 inclusivism, um, principled pluralism, um, you know, classical liberalism, I would label as
00:24:18 a weak God. Um, the classical liberalism, I think only appeared, uh, in terms of optics to be
00:24:24 successful because it was writing off of the prior capital of Christendom. And so you have all these,
00:24:31 weak gods, that basically it's the post-war sentiment that after, you know, World War I
00:24:37 and World War II, especially in regards to Hitler, that the West kind of universally agreed never
00:24:46 again. And the never again, part of what they thought that maybe they could avoid is, you know,
00:24:52 we can avoid an authoritarian. And there is a difference between an authoritarian versus a
00:24:58 totalitarian, but they were far less concerned with someone like Stalin and, you know, and looking
00:25:05 at the Soviet Union, but they focused their greatest fears and concerns on Germany and the
00:25:13 Third Reich and Adolf Hitler. And so they said, we never again are we going to have an authoritarian
00:25:18 and some of the signs that we can preemptively mark as red flags in order to avoid this kind of
00:25:25 global catastrophe is, you know, any, any strong male figure. Like I remember visiting Germany
00:25:33 when I was in high school with my dad on a mission trip and the men there are just,
00:25:38 you can just tell they're completely defeated. There, there is no assertiveness. There's no
00:25:45 strong masculine, you know, dominant characteristics whatsoever, because if there were
00:25:52 immediately what people would assume is, uh-oh, this is the next Hitler. This is the future 0.94
00:25:57 Hitler. You think of Donald Trump, despite all of his failures, I think, you know, his first three
00:26:03 years in his administration were, you know, some of the best presidential leadership in my lifetime.
00:26:09 His last year, I'm not quite as fond of, but the first three years I think were fantastic.
00:26:14 But, you know, what was the criticism that he received, you know, constantly? Well, he's Hitler, 1.00
00:26:20 He's Hitler, right? Because he's, uh, essentially he's just, uh, exerting strength. And so we're 0.89
00:26:25 going to avoid any kind of, uh, strong masculinity. So, um, the patriarchal idea would be viewed as
00:26:32 oppressive. So patriarchy, masculinity, um, you know, the, the idea of, uh, nationalism,
00:26:40 no, no, no, let's just do, you know, the, the global economic form, right? Like that's, uh,
00:26:45 you know, we need to, you know, a world without borders and a world where everyone's equal and a
00:26:51 world with this and equity and, you know, all these different things. So there's a despising
00:26:55 of hierarchy. There's a despising of patriarchy. There's a despising of a strong masculinity,
00:27:00 despising of nationalism, and ultimately a despising of, of any dogmatic assertion when
00:27:08 it comes to universal transcendent truth. So, so religion ultimately is what's going to be
00:27:15 despised. And the Christian faith, first and foremost, because it is the true religion, 0.99
00:27:20 it asserts fundamentally, first and foremost, that there is a God in heaven, that he will not
00:27:26 share his glory with another, and that he is king, that he is Lord, that he rules over all
00:27:33 the kings of the earth and all the lowercase l lords of the earth. He's king of kings,
00:27:37 Lord of Lords, and he has an immutable, transcendent standard of truth. Let God be true,
00:27:47 though every man were a liar. And so there seems to be massive opposition towards masculinity,
00:27:54 towards patriarchy, towards nationalism, in favor of globalism and open borders. That would be
00:28:00 another weak God. But ultimately, there's massive hostility and opposition towards
00:28:06 the Christian faith and really any religion that asserts strong, transcendent, dogmatic
00:28:13 truth.
00:28:13 So there's, you know, Islam would fall into that category.
00:28:16 Judaism would fall into that category, but mostly, mostly Christianity.
00:28:21 Judaism doesn't get nearly the pushback from most of the West.
00:28:26 It gets pushed back in the Middle East to be sure, but most of the West is friendly.
00:28:31 I think of Talmudic Judaism, Judaism today, modern Judaism, because in many ways, it is kind of
00:28:39 this universalism. You can kind of be anything and be a Jew. The only thing you can't be is
00:28:45 be Christian. You can't love Christ and be a Jew, but you can be a Buddhist Jew. You can be 0.96
00:28:51 an Islamic Jew in some sense. You can be a gay Jew. You can be a this Jew or that Jew. You just 1.00
00:28:56 can't be a Christian Jew. So Judaism doesn't get quite the pushback, but Islam certainly does. And 1.00
00:29:01 I think Christianity, as far as it being traditional biblical Christianity, gets a ton
00:29:07 of pushback. So all that framing out, you know, this statement that I'm going to make, I think
00:29:11 what R.R. Reno asserts in his book, Return of the Strong Gods, is not that it might happen,
00:29:17 but that it's actually an inevitability. And the reason why is because, you know, just like,
00:29:22 the people saying when David came back from war, before he had entered into the kingship and the
00:29:29 throne, when Saul was still on the throne, that Saul had killed his thousands, but David his
00:29:35 tens of thousands. And I think likewise, you could say Hitler killed his thousands. I'm no 0.80
00:29:39 Hitler apologist. He was not a good guy. Hitler killed his thousands, but Stalin his tens of
00:29:44 thousands. Or to frame it like Reno, the strong gods killed their thousands. Christendom killed 0.75
00:29:50 its thousands. The Crusades killed its thousands, but the weak gods have killed their tens of 0.59
00:29:56 thousands. And I think what we've realized is that secularism, secular humanism, classical
00:30:05 liberalism, principled pluralism, globalism, feminism, egalitarianism, all of these things
00:30:12 at the end of the day, when it comes to the death toll, they put up 10 times the numbers of
00:30:19 casualties as any strong god does. Globalism kills more people than nationalism, even nationalism
00:30:26 when gone wrong, hyper-nationalism. And feminism, I mean, well, abortion. Feminism in just the last 0.68
00:30:36 half century in America alone has racked up 70 million as the death toll. Patriarchy can't get 1.00
00:30:43 those kinds of numbers, even if it tried, that Christendom on its worst day, I can't hold a
00:30:51 candle to secular humanism. And so all that being said, my point is that I think there is an
00:30:56 inevitable return to the strong God. So then the old, you know, theonomic Roshiduni adage is this,
00:31:03 it's not whether, but which, it's not whether we'll return to the strong God's nationalism,
00:31:08 making a comeback in favor over globalism patriarchy making a comeback in favor over
00:31:14 feminism um you know christianity and and faith and religion and tradition making a comeback over
00:31:21 uh principled pluralism and classical liberalism so i think that's inevitable there's going to be
00:31:27 a return to the strong gods so then the question is not whether but which uh which nationalism will
00:31:32 you have because you're going to have nationalism right now i mean you just look at twitter you look
00:31:36 at the world, the way that things are going, the stage is set for Caesarism. I don't know if you're
00:31:43 familiar with that idea, but this idea of a strong figure, and I'm not even saying that I'm in favor
00:31:47 of it. So I'm not saying that I'm rooting for a Caesar. I like a representative, you know,
00:31:52 constitutional republic, but I think that our constitution, it's not that, it's not a question
00:31:58 of whether or not I want to keep it. I'm just recognizing what time it is, like the sons of
00:32:02 is a car and saying, Hey, the constitution's gone. That thing's broken. We haven't been abiding by
00:32:07 the constitution since at least the 1960s. And you can make an argument even earlier.
00:32:12 So I think that the stage is set and ripe for a strong sense of nationalism, a strong,
00:32:19 even Caesarism, strong patriarchy over feminism, all these kinds of things and strong religion
00:32:25 over, you know, secularism. So I think that's going to happen. So then the question is,
00:32:30 Which one are you going to have? If you're going to have nationalism, I would like to advocate for Christian nationalism rather than Islamic nationalism or Jewish nationalism or pagan nationalism.
00:32:43 If we're going to have patriarchy, I'd like it to be Christian patriarchy, biblical patriarchy, and not Islamic patriarchy or pagan patriarchy.
00:32:51 So I see it as an inevitability that the weak gods have been so sinister in the name of love and universalism and egalitarianism and equality.
00:33:02 It had it was like putting lipstick on a pig, right, that it had a pretty veneer, a kind, you know, Joe Biden, the most empathetic president.
00:33:11 OK, well, this empathetic president has racked up casualties like like very few presidents in recent history.
00:33:19 This guy, his death toll is off the charts.
00:33:24 And so empathy has not served us well.
00:33:27 The weak gods have done more harm and more destruction than the strong gods, inevitably
00:33:32 coming back to the strong gods, nationalism, faith, tradition, father rule, patriarchy,
00:33:39 these kinds of things.
00:33:40 So then the question again, not whether, but which.
00:33:43 That's why I'm kind of standing in the gap.
00:33:45 Instead of busting, you know, the old tried and true Gandalf move, standing on the bridge in between the third way, Timothy Keller type of thing, you shall not pass to the bell rock.
00:33:55 What I'm doing is, you know, and others like me are saying, no, no, no, this is inevitable.
00:33:59 And we think it is God's design.
00:34:02 We think it's biblical more than just pragmatic and inevitable.
00:34:05 We think it's true.
00:34:06 It's actually biblical.
00:34:07 So I'm not going to stand to the bridge in between, you know, egalitarianism and patriarchy.
00:34:12 No, I'm just going to come all the way over here into patriarchy land and then carve out a biblical patriarchy and advocate for that.
00:34:19 Plant my flag there and say, hey, when the masses have had it and they're sick and tired of the weak gods in the West being suicidal and destroying itself, and they inevitably return to something like patriarchy, I'm going to be over here saying, hey, biblical patriarchy is better than Andrew Tate.
00:34:35 when they inevitably come back from globalism to nationalism i'm going to say hey christian
00:34:39 nationalism is a lot better than pagan nationalism those kinds of things so my question to you is do
00:34:46 you see that also that in your experience with navy seals and some of your friendships not just
00:34:51 the structures or the system but with actual individual people that you know do you see that
00:34:57 that pent up building frustration that the dam is going to break that there's going to be some kind
00:35:03 of push, that people are fed up and sick and tired of our secular, humanistic, egalitarian
00:35:11 world?
00:35:14 That's a good question.
00:35:15 And I think, I don't think it's an easy answer.
00:35:18 I don't think it's a yes or no.
00:35:19 I think that there are people on both sides. 0.99
00:35:21 I think because we've lost, I think because Christians have retreated from the world, 0.99
00:35:27 we've lost the ability to define things. 1.00
00:35:29 um so and then even inside you know our churches churches become so decayed in some regards that
00:35:36 even terms like patriarchy are you know i can't say i'm a patriarchist or you know patriarchal
00:35:41 and then you know and and assume the other person i'm talking to knows what i mean because it's
00:35:47 become kind of bastardized you know some people it's can be an abusive term you know to some
00:35:53 people even though that is i would argue in genesis you know god created man to be a leader
00:35:59 and he created woman to be his companion and helper. And it's beautiful teamwork.
00:36:05 And yet that's what patriarchy should mean, you know, in a very simple form. But we've lost our
00:36:12 definitions. And so with that, because we've lost definitions, we've lost the ability,
00:36:18 the Christian worldview to interpret history. No one knows how to, they have no standard to 0.99
00:36:25 to judge anything on and so i think honestly unfortunately where i'm at is where i see people
00:36:31 or you know around me is a lot of guys just are kind of drifting they don't have anything to grab
00:36:36 onto and you need that kind of flag bear to you know put plant the flag and say hey this is what
00:36:42 it means to be a man this is what it means to be a christian this is what it means to be a patriot
00:36:46 this is what it means to be a soldier and nobody has that definition anymore you know i mean that
00:36:51 that documentary what is it you know what is a woman no one can even describe what a woman is
00:36:55 and so and i think you have to have you have to have conviction to be bold you have to have
00:37:00 conviction to fight for something um you know like soldiers your books have been written on
00:37:05 soldiers fight in war and they die not for love of country necessarily but for love of you know
00:37:09 neighbor a love of their brothers in arms you know they they want to protect them fight for them
00:37:13 but we've lost the we don't even have camaraderie you know in the ranks people don't even want to
00:37:18 be in the military anymore so honestly i i guess the the long-winded answer summed up is
00:37:24 i don't think there is i'm worried there isn't that boiling pot of water that's about to burst
00:37:31 because people just don't know what to believe anymore so what i want to do is is help people
00:37:38 and you know find people like yourself who are giving people those definitions again giving
00:37:42 people something to grasp on to so that they can be like oh no i can now recognize this is wrong
00:37:47 You know, marriage is between a man and a woman. Why? Because the Bible says so. And if you don't have the Bible to back up stuff, then you're floating. You have nothing. And to touch on another thing, you talked about Hitler being kind of this masculine, nationalistic person. 0.74
00:38:04 I would almost push back on that a little bit and say, in an outward appearance, yes, I see where you're coming from. 0.85
00:38:11 But if you actually look at Hitler, and I'm no historian, but I dabble, and he was a weak and feminine man. 0.95
00:38:18 He was a bad soldier. 0.97
00:38:20 He was a bad painter.
00:38:22 He was bad at most of the things he did, and he was a jealous person and very spiteful.
00:38:28 And I think that shows weakness.
00:38:29 Yes. Yes. So it's kind of a bastardized version of masculinity in that he took defeat. And instead of, you know, the American way is you fail and then you go and start a new company, right? That's how you channel, you know, discipline and masculinity to build things.
00:38:44 He took all these failures of his early life and channeled it into hatred and anger and spitefulness.
00:38:51 And so I see him being a weak and feminine person who tries to, you know, kind of masquerade as as this patriarchal, you know, manly man who, you know, he had all the medals on his chest, kind of like the generals we have today.
00:39:04 They have, you know, medals from their collarbone to their belly button for doing what? 0.94
00:39:08 Just being in the service for 40 years.
00:39:09 you know and you look at you know generals like patten manly man not perfect but a manly man
00:39:14 you know and he had like three four medals across his chest when he you know waged war all across
00:39:19 africa and europe but and so i see i see these kind of leaders like hitler and you know and even
00:39:26 you look at today some of the da's that are in new york and you know certain congressmen and stuff
00:39:30 who advocate for all these soft on crime policies globalism like you're talking about this loving
00:39:35 egalitarian whatever you want to call it and then uh you know it's a very sad story but one
00:39:43 was just stabbed to death a few weeks ago while with his with a girl and he was you know just 0.55
00:39:49 trying to be all you know passive and just hey don't don't worry to this you know crazy delusional
00:39:54 criminal and he gets stabbed to death and so i mean i i would put him you know i people love 0.94
00:40:00 comparing their enemies to you know hitler i'm not trying to do that in the grand scheme of things 0.82
00:40:04 just as far as infeminacy goes like they're weak and it caused death and destruction and so i don't
00:40:11 see hitler as a masculine man at all i see him or patriarchal i see him as a as a weak and feminine 0.86
00:40:17 coward who then tried to play on people's emotions just like i see in our country today our leadership 0.99
00:40:23 today they're weak and feminine cowards and and they're playing on emotions to and destroying 0.99
00:40:30 definitions to try and herd sheep um off the side of a cliff yeah so i don't think you're wrong but 0.96
00:40:37 i think there needs to be a distinction between the inward and the outward of the man so if you're
00:40:42 saying that hitler the truest sense inwardly that he was effeminate and weak and bitter and jealous
00:40:48 sure um but uh in terms of his what he's campaigning on his public uh persona in terms of
00:40:58 his verbiage, his rhetoric, um, those kinds of things. So if we're saying like, well, when push
00:41:03 comes to shove, if it's you and Hitler in a room alone, the guy is, you know, he's weak and he's 0.67
00:41:08 going to fold like a cheap suit. Sure. That's fine. Um, but my point is in terms of, um, publicly 0.59
00:41:13 the, the perception, the optic, uh, a guy like Hitler and authoritarian, what he runs on is not
00:41:20 globalism and uh you know a world without borders what he runs on what he's he's a populist what
00:41:28 what he runs on what rallies the country the nation is a strong sense of national pride it's
00:41:34 strong men it's strong now you can do all that without being a strong man yourself you can do
00:41:41 all that as a veneer you can do all that as um ultimately a grift it's a play uh but but the
00:41:48 leaders that we have today, I think what's unique and significant about them, it's not just that
00:41:54 they're weak men. Bad leaders are always weak men. Strong men, a man who's truly strong in his inward
00:42:02 strength, he resists the temptation of sin. He resists bitterness. He resists jealousy. He
00:42:08 resists selfishness and consumer materialistic comfort, personal comfort and personal praise
00:42:16 and all these kinds of things.
00:42:17 So if a man is truly strong inwardly,
00:42:20 then he will be a good leader.
00:42:24 So when I'm comparing and contrasting
00:42:26 the strong authoritarian versus somebody
00:42:30 who's a weak, empathetic leader like Joe Biden,
00:42:35 I'm not comparing the inward realities, 0.62
00:42:39 objective reality of this man versus that man,
00:42:43 But I'm comparing and contrasting the outward veneer, what the, you know, the perception, what they present publicly. And so the leaders that we have today, I would say, you know, so Hitler, if you're saying, well, in the objective sense, he's weak, but subjectively, publicly in terms of his presentation and his rhetoric, well, yeah, and those kinds of things, he certainly rallied on nationalism. He rallied on this and that.
00:43:06 well I think that that's fair if you're saying inwardly in the truest sense he's weak Joel
00:43:11 okay fine I'll concede that point I think you're right but the difference is that the leaders we
00:43:16 have today both in the objective inward sense the true sense but then also the outward veneer and
00:43:21 subjective sense they're weak all the way down at both levels like Joe Biden ran as saying hey
00:43:29 you know what you just had a guy who had some strong dogmatic views and we saw that as being
00:43:35 divisive and racist and this and that. And I'm going to come and unite, you know, I'm going to
00:43:42 fight for the soul of America and I'm going to unite the people and I'm going to be an empathetic
00:43:48 president. And, and so I think, you know, you can make an argument that at some level inwardly,
00:43:55 both Trump and Biden have some aspects, some strong aspects of being a weak man in the objective
00:44:03 inward sense, but the public sense is what I'm talking about in terms of their persona,
00:44:08 their campaigning, their rhetoric. One thought that we should build a wall and the other guy
00:44:15 thought that that was racist and it wasn't egalitarian enough. And so that's, you know,
00:44:20 so that anyways, all that being said for you to say, you know, well, I see people drifting.
00:44:25 That's helpful for me to hear. I have, you know, I have nothing objective to use to push back on
00:44:30 that and to say that you're wrong. I think you're probably right. I think a lot of people are
00:44:34 drifting. And so I think there is a frustration that is pent up that's building. But I think
00:44:41 you're right. We're probably not there yet, sadly. Sadly, there's still, you know, you could probably
00:44:46 argue that the majority of frogs in this proverbial pot are still content to stay in the pot as it's
00:44:53 slowly heating up, as they're slowly being boiled alive. I'd like to think though, and this is maybe
00:44:58 wishful or overly optimistic thinking, but I'd like to think that some of those frogs,
00:45:04 even a good portion of them still have enough nerve endings that at a certain point, the pot
00:45:11 being heated up is going to trigger them and they're going to jump out. So you said, you know,
00:45:17 some are, they're not just, you know, necessarily diehard committed to the homo jihad,
00:45:22 but they're also not diehard committed to, you know, Christian nationalism, the biblical 0.63
00:45:27 patriarchy, they're drifting. So you talked about it like a lot of these in between guys. And again,
00:45:31 I think that's my point is to say that, um, yes, a lot of guys are drifting. And if the water gets,
00:45:37 keeps getting hot enough, uh, those frogs that, that aren't already unconscious and floating,
00:45:43 uh, but the ones that actually still are alive and have some vitality, some nerve endings will
00:45:48 actually feel, uh, the, the, you know, the increase in temperature, uh, they're going to
00:45:53 jump out. And when they jump out, um, in their drifting, uh, they're, they're going to have
00:45:59 some options. Uh, they could drift to, uh, Joe Rogan. They could drift to Andrew Tate.
00:46:06 Uh, they could drift, you know, um, but I would like for some Christians actually take back and 1.00
00:46:12 recover. Um, like you said, some of these definitions and say, well, no, there, there 0.99
00:46:17 actually is, there is a biblical way of, of making sense of moral obligation and the order of loves
00:46:27 for our, our neighbors here in this country. There's an argument to be made for a biblical
00:46:36 nationalism, or certainly at least patriotism. There's an argument to be made for father rule
00:46:42 that is Christian and loving and sacrificial, but also strong. And so, you know, those kinds of
00:46:49 things. So it's helpful to hear you express your thoughts on that matter, that basically what I
00:46:55 hear you saying in a nutshell is, I don't really know if we're there yet. I don't know if there
00:46:59 are enough frustrated people. I think there's still just a lot of blind sheep being led off 0.87
00:47:03 of a cliff. And you know what, you're probably right. Hopefully by God's grace, some of them 0.89
00:47:09 will wake up. And when they do, I'm hoping that they don't see that when they wake up and they
00:47:17 realize how bad secular humanism actually is, that they don't open their eyes. And the first
00:47:23 option they see that seems to present the most promise and hope is Islam. So that's what I'm
00:47:31 working towards is to, yes, wake people up. And I think that's what you're doing is, well, you know
00:47:36 you can say it like this. I think you're working to wake people up and I'm working to, uh, to
00:47:41 prepare, um, a place for those people once they're actually awake. Um, so that they, you know, with
00:47:48 their newfound, you know, consciousness with their eyes now wide open, uh, that they wouldn't just 0.95
00:47:54 see the hideousness of our current, um, our current position, uh, as Westerners and then,
00:48:01 and then just run as a reaction to anything that seems to convey strength, you know, despite
00:48:08 whether or not that thing is actually biblical and true. So you're working to wake people up.
00:48:14 And I think I'm working to prepare to carve out from the scripture, a biblical option for guys
00:48:21 as they do wake up to the reality that we need to return to the strong gods, that the strong
00:48:28 gods there is i think will be a return you're saying well i don't know if we're there yet and
00:48:31 you're probably right but eventually i think by god's grace we will be and when uh the nation
00:48:37 returns to the strong gods i'd like to i'd like to say that uh of the strong gods uh there is only
00:48:42 one who is a strong and true god join douglas wilson dr joseph boot brian sauvet eric khan
00:48:56 and myself on march 1st 2nd and 3rd for our 2024 conference it's called blueprints for chrysidom
00:49:03 2.0 go and visit rightresponseconference.com to register today we hope to see you at the conference
00:49:11 in march yeah no i i agree with you and i and i so basically what how i see it is
00:49:23 we're not taught how to critically think anymore we're just you know in schools in society you
00:49:29 know we're used to turning on the tv or going into the classroom and the instructor says you
00:49:34 know two plus two equals four and we're like okay that's it and we just kind of memorize what
00:49:39 experts tell us and so that's kind of one of the reasons why i don't think you know the water's
00:49:44 boiling but we can't even see it because you know you're looking up at the cook and the cook's
00:49:48 telling you everything's good and so you're like oh he said it's good so and so yeah absolutely
00:49:53 i'm trying to you know wake people up trying to give them information to think about and then i
00:49:58 think something we don't do a good job of um politically you know as a conservative and then
00:50:04 also religiously as a christian we we don't cast a vision when we have the only good vision and so
00:50:11 i love what you're doing um i love your podcast i listen to it on a weekly basis but you know so
00:50:16 many there's so many um people now who are starting to grow and they're actually casting a vision like
00:50:23 hey okay this is bad we're all really good at saying this is bad i'm you know i can complain
00:50:28 about the military all day long and say this is bad this is bad but we're really bad at actually
00:50:32 saying okay this is wrong now let's do this and actually lay it out right and so that's one of
00:50:38 the goals of seals beat biden too is yes point out hey this was bad and this is why it's bad
00:50:44 and this is how it can be better and then you know and it takes way more than two episodes
00:50:49 um it takes you know way more than one person it takes a team but that is the goal and i actually
00:50:55 you know i totally agree with you that you know the frogs are going to start jumping out
00:50:59 and it's whose pot are they going to jump into afterwards absolutely so we got to try and work
00:51:04 out of the pan yeah into the fire into the fire absolutely will it actually be yeah no you're
00:51:10 right and that's that's helpful you know to like yeah there's there are some that have woken you
00:51:16 know awoken and said you know well we we need to um yeah we're against this we're against that we're
00:51:23 against this we're against that uh but we need a positive vision that's what i hear you saying
00:51:28 and christianity is the only thing that presents a truly positive vision otherwise you just you
00:51:33 know you just ultimately you're just doing um you're just choosing between idols you're just
00:51:39 exchanging, you know, trading one idol for another. And all the idols are bad. And I do think that
00:51:47 some are worse than others. First John talks about, you know, a sin that leads to death. And so I do
00:51:51 think that there, among all the false gods, there are strong false gods. And I think, you know,
00:51:57 Allah would be one of those. And there are weak false gods. And I think, you know, George Soros
00:52:03 would be one of those. And I think that, you know, one is actually worse than the other in terms of
00:52:08 its ability to destroy human society in this life, but both are equally bad in the sense that both
00:52:16 lead to destruction in the life to come, eternal hell apart from Christ. And so, yeah, it's at the
00:52:24 end of the day, we need, we don't just need to say the weak gods are bad, but then we need to say,
00:52:30 okay, but here's a positive vision, something, this is why it's better. Not just feminism is bad, 1.00
00:52:36 But this is why biblical masculinity is hopeful and the true, the good, the beautiful. 1.00
00:52:45 And by God's grace, I think there are a lot of guys doing that.
00:52:47 So let's go ahead and land the plane now.
00:52:50 But tell us just your final thoughts about Seals Beat Biden, about the project that you guys have released.
00:52:57 How can people find it?
00:52:59 What are the things to look out for and anything else that you want to say on that subject?
00:53:02 Yeah. So first and foremost, I just want to say, I want to reiterate that this is not just about COVID. This is not rehashing, you know, oh, I had a terrible, terrible time in the military. This is, hey, this is, this affected 250,000 service members were at the point of losing their career over this. 8,500 actually did.
00:53:25 Some of them got removed, dishonorable discharges, lost benefits, all for standing on principal conviction.
00:53:32 There are people who, you know, some of my friends are paying back tens of thousands of dollars in bonuses after being kicked out of the military.
00:53:38 So that's an important foundation to understand that.
00:53:41 But then it's also important to realize, like I said, the military is being used to bludgeon the American people into political and social change because people look up to the military.
00:53:54 It's the most trusted institution in America for a reason.
00:53:58 And so these are all coming from systemic and pretty much in widespread military and administration leadership.
00:54:09 The guys on the ground are great guys.
00:54:12 They're just looking up above to their leadership, trying to trying to serve their country.
00:54:17 And so we as American people need to help them.
00:54:19 We need to hold the administration and the DOD leadership accountable.
00:54:25 We need to replace those who have failed us.
00:54:31 And so this Seals Beat Biden is the wake up call that we're hoping to just show the American people, hey, this fight is not over.
00:54:38 It's very much a current issue.
00:54:41 There are children being aborted. 0.97
00:54:42 There are transgenders, surgeries that are taking taxpayer dollars, taking service members offline who should be serving their country. 0.98
00:54:52 There are Christians being purged from the military. And we can do something about it. 1.00
00:54:57 We can actually do something about it. So I'd encourage everybody to head over sealsbeatbiden.com.
00:55:02 You can also find us on, you know, X. You can find us on Instagram and just start start getting involved, whether that's just learning more yourself, starting to think critically or whether that's, you know, calling your representative and saying like, hey, what are we going to do about this?
00:55:19 This isn't over. There are eighty five hundred people who got kicked out of the military. Their lives, careers are ruined.
00:55:25 What are we doing to to make that right?
00:55:27 um yeah and and we've got to do something about this because it's not stopping it's not going
00:55:36 away we can't put our head in the sand anymore right you're right yeah it won't stop unless
00:55:41 there's accountability it's not about again it's not about bitterness uh it's not about just trying
00:55:46 to you know prove that we were right um and it's not about you know a retribution or a punitive
00:55:54 response. It's, no, we actually want behavior to change. We want justice. People were wronged.
00:56:02 Other people did things that were wrong. And the way that you get people, you ensure that those
00:56:10 things don't happen again. And you ensure that those who have been wronged are made whole
00:56:15 is by providing checks and balances, accountability. And so, yeah, so that needs to be done because it
00:56:23 really is a matter of justice. And those, again, who are calling out for COVID amnesty, if you
00:56:29 want to just to forgive and move on, that's great. But you have to repent and make it right.
00:56:37 You have to repent and make it right. The gospel is not about forgetting. It is about forgiving.
00:56:46 But I think some, they use that word forgiveness. But really what they want is just forgetting.
00:56:52 And many don't even use the word forgiveness because even that implies in forgiveness, it's implied that a mistake or that a sin or that failure actually occurred.
00:57:04 And that's the problem is that people, there are a lot of people in positions of institutional power and the military, sadly, is no exception.
00:57:12 The church, sadly, is no exception, but many people in institutional positions of leadership
00:57:17 that refuse to acknowledge that forgiveness is even necessary because they refuse to acknowledge
00:57:26 they did anything wrong.
00:57:27 And so long as that maintains, you know, continues to be the position, then there are people
00:57:32 like 8,500 service members who were wronged and robbed and stolen from who will not be
00:57:39 made whole.
00:57:40 Um, they will not get justice unless, um, people continue to say that's enough. I feel like, you
00:57:46 know, with COVID, you know, uh, the science, the medical science didn't change, but the political
00:57:52 science did. Um, when people ask, you know, when was it appropriate? Uh, you know, like, when did
00:57:58 the mask mandates finally stop? You know, when did the madness stop? Uh, where, you know, you,
00:58:03 you weren't and, you know, expected that you didn't have to mask up. You didn't have to do
00:58:07 this you didn't have to do that like when did it stop and the answer is it's not that it stopped
00:58:11 when a certain you know variant that was less harmful came on the scene and dr fauci you know
00:58:16 like oh well you know the medical science has now changed and now it's you know safe and permissible
00:58:21 to do this and to you know to be indoors without a man that's not when it stopped it stopped the
00:58:26 second not one second later and not one second before but it stopped when the american people
00:58:32 as a whole said, yeah, we're done with this. That's how things stop. It's political will.
00:58:39 And political will is always going to be undergirded by a moral will of a moral people.
00:58:44 And if by God's grace, we can rally and inspire enough people with a strong iron moral and
00:58:52 therefore political will to say, no, nah, you're done. Then all of a sudden you'll see the white 0.96
00:58:59 coats go, oh, well, the science changed. Turns out you don't need a mask. It's not really the
00:59:03 science changing. The science changed because the political science changed because the American
00:59:07 people said, stop it. And Christians should lead the way. So Asa, thanks for coming on the show. 1.00
00:59:15 Final word, if you got any. No, I was just going to riff on that for just a second more. It's just,
00:59:20 you know, the definition of insanity is doing something that doesn't work and just
00:59:24 continually doing it and and so i want to also just point out that this is not a political
00:59:30 and it's at its core it's not a political thing this is not democrat versus republican
00:59:35 you know whether or not you know if you're a red-blooded american you know a human and you
00:59:40 look around the world and you see war in you know raging and you look at your country and you see
00:59:45 cities falling apart diseases you know all these different all these different things that we can
00:59:50 all accept the fact that the world is an unsafe place and and our our leadership has failed us
00:59:58 on both sides of the aisle and so what we have to do is look at that and then make a change and if
01:00:04 we want to be strong again if we want peace around the world if we want to be able to live our lives
01:00:09 go to school go to work if we want to do any of those basic human things then we need to make a
01:00:15 change and that change is easy. And so I just, yeah, I want to touch on that as well, that this
01:00:21 is not, you know, Hey, if you're a Republican, watch this, if you're a Democrat, watch this,
01:00:24 like this is just, if you're human, like we got some problems, let's identify them and let's move
01:00:30 on. All right. Sounds good. Thanks so much for coming on the show. Absolutely. Thanks for having
01:00:36 me.