The NXR Podcast - THEOLOGY APPLIED - Should Christians Join The Military Under Our Current Regime？ with Asa Miller

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00:00:45.480 in this day and age should christian parents with older adult children encourage their children to

00:00:52.400 join the military? This is the question we'll be discussing in today's episode of Theology

00:00:57.960 Applied, where I welcome Asa Miller, former Navy SEAL, to the show. Tune in now.

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00:01:15.260 All right, welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied. I'm your host, Pastor Joel

00:01:19.180 Webman with Right Response Ministries. And in this episode, I'm very privileged to welcome

00:01:23.640 on to the show for the first time, Asa Miller. Asa, thanks for coming on.

00:01:28.320 Absolutely. Thanks for having me on, Joel.

00:01:30.720 So go ahead and introduce yourself. The little bit that I know about you is that you're a soft

00:01:35.720 man, you're effeminate, kind of a little bit limp-wristed, right? That's what you do for a

00:01:40.580 living. No, I'd be facetious, but go ahead and tell people you're not doing it anymore,

00:01:45.260 But previously you were a. Yeah. So I was a SEAL for six years in the in the Navy.

00:01:52.180 And during that time, did one deployment to Africa.

00:01:57.380 And then during that was kind of the covid pandemic, which is what we're going to focus on today, talking about how that affected my career and so many Americans.

00:02:07.040 And then since then, I've actually got out in May of this year and I'm just doing some work with a company called Armored Republic.

00:02:15.260 out in Phoenix, Arizona. And then I also write for the, uh, the news outlet Republic Sentinel.

00:02:22.580 Great. And that's, uh, Ben Zaislov is over there, right? With the Sentinel.

00:02:26.880 Yeah. He's our head editor.

00:02:29.300 Awesome. Um, how many years did you do?

00:02:32.500 So I was in the Navy a total of six. Um, the first, first year and a half are in training

00:02:37.640 more or less. And then the last, you know, four and a half years. Yep. We're, uh, we're as a SEAL.

00:02:42.840 yeah did you enjoy hell week yeah i absolutely crushed it it was phenomenal

00:02:49.100 so did you spend a little bit of time during your training on the uh on the west coast san

00:02:56.340 diego yeah so pretty much all the the first year and a half um minus a few months are in san diego

00:03:03.540 and that's where you're based out of and then you'll do um trips but yeah a lot of time down

00:03:09.020 And then you said you were team four.

00:03:10.860 So you spent most of your time on the East Coast?

00:03:13.340 Correct.

00:03:14.000 Yes.

00:03:14.860 Great.

00:03:15.780 Yeah.

00:03:16.020 When I was, I pastored in San Diego for a while and at any given point, we, you know, it's

00:03:20.420 not like we had, you know, a whole sealed team, but we would have five or six at a time

00:03:24.660 and they were all odd numbers stationed in San Diego.

00:03:28.460 And so got to know a little bit of that world, never entering it myself, but pastoring some

00:03:33.680 of the guys who that was their, their daily routine.

00:03:36.540 So it was interesting.

00:03:37.640 You know, sometimes it's like the guys who were going through training, you know, they were they were rough and, you know, because they're just nonstop.

00:03:46.760 But then the guys who were stationed there, you know, they could be super busy and gone for nine months at a time.

00:03:51.560 And then they could have six months where they were working, you know, an hour a day, you know, and able to volunteer and do a lot with the church.

00:03:58.540 So they were a blessing.

00:04:00.180 That's awesome. Yeah. And I'm glad that they had someone like you to be out there because it's hard when you live that lifestyle constantly up and down.

00:04:07.640 tempo and being able to have a church where you can be, uh, be led and mentored in those

00:04:13.160 downtimes. It's definitely beneficial, but that's all. Right. So let's talk about the upcoming

00:04:18.040 project. Uh, the Sentinel is about to release a documentary. Can you tell us a little bit about

00:04:23.060 that? Yeah. So, um, since getting out, um, I've been working with the Sentinel, as I mentioned,

00:04:28.980 and we are producing a documentary called seals beat Biden. Um, I'd encourage everybody to go

00:04:33.820 just type that into the browser sealsbeatbiden.com and you can put your email in and they'll keep you

00:04:39.140 up to date it'll be releasing here in November but the the premise of the story there's going

00:04:45.000 to be a two-part two-part series and the first part just tells the story of COVID what happened

00:04:51.460 specifically in a in the military and more or less no one was able to push back against the

00:05:00.940 mandates at the beginning. No one really knew how. There was military mandates, there were civilian

00:05:06.380 mandates, schools, everyone was being forced to get this vaccine. And so a group of me and my

00:05:14.940 fellow SEALs, we kind of stood up and we said, hey, we're not doing this. And the SEALs beat

00:05:21.620 Biden is kind of the story of how we were able to stand up to the administration, actually pursue

00:05:27.560 legal means of resisting the tyranny and then ultimately we won um and because of that um

00:05:35.380 you saw across the nation a bunch of different court cases popped up and all these mandates

00:05:39.940 ended up being rescinded um so that's part one and then part two just briefly is um the story's

00:05:48.260 not over so while yes covid was um is kind of we've moved on a little bit um there's been no

00:05:55.200 justice for the lives who are wrecked by that, not only through vaccine injuries, but just loss

00:06:00.740 of careers. And then additionally, we still see an administration who's pushing these radical

00:06:08.660 ideologies on not only society, but specifically the military, trying to use what's historically

00:06:15.040 been an apolitical institution to kind of bludgeon the American people and decrease resistance to

00:06:21.860 these cultural shifts through these radical ideologies. So we want to kind of show the

00:06:27.120 American people the bridge there and show them why, hey, we can't just forgive and forget and

00:06:33.640 move on. We still need to call these leaders to account. We still need to restore the lives that

00:06:40.180 were destroyed. And we need to prevent the further cultural shifts that they're trying to force on

00:06:46.520 us. Amen. Yeah. There will be no COVID amnesty. You know, the forgive and forget moving on the

00:06:54.720 gospel mandates forgiveness. However, Jesus is clear. If your brother, you know, how many times

00:07:02.520 shall I forgive my brother if he sins against me? You know, if he sins against me seven times,

00:07:07.000 Jesus says, you know, 70 times, seven times. And so, but one of the key things that I think a lot

00:07:13.560 of evangelicals miss is that Jesus says, if your brother sins against you this many times and goes

00:07:20.280 and repents to you, that there's actually a formal request for forgiveness and there's a repentance

00:07:27.160 of sin, then you are mandated to forgive your brother. And I think sometimes within the

00:07:31.560 evangelical church, we assume that we are mandated, morally obligated under God, under Christ to

00:07:38.700 forgive anyone who sins against us. But biblically speaking, we are morally obligated to forgive

00:07:44.400 anyone who sins against us and repents. And so, you know, with forgiveness, Doug Wilson even talks

00:07:50.400 about like a Christmas present that it's wrapped and placed under the tree so that we should avoid

00:07:56.200 and seek to put to death any temptation towards bitterness. And so we should be ready and eager

00:08:02.460 and willing to forgive. So the forgiveness is, it's prepared and it's wrapped, it's under the

00:08:08.100 tree. But there is still a waiting for that brother who sinned against us to come and actually

00:08:14.420 repent of their sin. And so whether it's a pastor who failed in COVID or whether it's the state,

00:08:19.640 you know, Caesar, or whether it's the military or in the private sector or whatever it might be,

00:08:25.860 in all these cases, we do want to move on. But we want to move on with repentance. Repentance is

00:08:32.680 the only way that we actually can move on. There are many who want to, they want to move on. They

00:08:37.940 want reconciliation, but they want reconciliation in such a way that it skips repentance. And that's

00:08:44.160 not actual reconciliation. That's, you know, love can cover a multitude of sins, but for the

00:08:50.460 relationship to actually contain trust, then there's not just covering sin, but there's sin

00:08:57.440 that's actually been confessed, it's been acknowledged, it's been repented of, and there's

00:09:02.080 true forgiveness. And we want that, um, because, uh, we, we want to ensure that these kinds of

00:09:08.440 things by the grace of God don't occur again. And so, um, so yeah, so it's, it's not just

00:09:14.720 rehashing, uh, rehashing this bad thing that happened three years ago, but it's saying, well,

00:09:19.540 this thing happened three years ago, but, um, but it was never actually repented of. There's never

00:09:24.560 actually been a real acknowledgement of error. And because of that, uh, the thing that happened

00:09:29.900 three years ago in many ways is still happening now. So could you just talk about that, flesh

00:09:35.780 that out a little bit for us, Asa, in terms of the fact that, yeah, there were atrocities that

00:09:41.120 took place and tyranny three years ago, but there has been no repentance. There has been no real

00:09:46.680 acknowledgement of error, and there are still tyrannies occurring today. What are some of those

00:09:53.060 things? So the word I like to use is accountability. The military has historically

00:10:01.600 been the most trusted institution in America for decades. Congress has been one of the least

00:10:07.620 trusted. And one of the reasons for that is because you go to boot camp and everyone knows

00:10:13.180 whether it's Marine Corps boot camp or whatever it is, you go to boot camp and you are changed

00:10:18.840 into a new person in a way. All these core attributes are instilled into integrity,

00:10:25.080 accountability, respect, discipline. And in order for you to maintain those things,

00:10:30.300 it's a lifestyle. You have to live it. And if you mess up, because we're human, we all messed up,

00:10:34.700 you take extreme ownership of it and you admit you're wrong and you show, you give a plan of how

00:10:41.920 you're going to go about doing things differently, how you're going to live up to the standard.

00:10:47.100 And if you don't do those things, then that standard is what holds you, holds your feet to the fire and you get punished, for lack of a better word, if you don't.

00:10:57.400 And so what we've seen over these last few years is that the military has completely given up on accountability and discipline and standards.

00:11:07.500 And so, I mean, we could look at a million different things from simple things like physical standards.

00:11:12.620 A study came out a few weeks ago that showed that three quarters of the military is either obese or or overweight.

00:11:19.960 And, you know, people might say, oh, that's a small thing, like a lot of the jobs in the military behind a desk.

00:11:25.020 But that shows just on a personal level, discipline and accountability is not there to even, you know, build your own body.

00:11:33.680 And then those progress from, you know, the small personal discipline that progresses into leadership failures.

00:11:40.120 We saw Afghanistan. Everyone at this point is familiar with the story. I mean, we lost 13 lives for no reason. It is tragic and terrible, but that was a direct result of failures of military leaderships, the generals on the ground in the State Department who were overseeing it.

00:11:57.840 It was failures on them to lead their men and to uphold a standard and allow them to engage a suicide bomber who they'd identified hours previously.

00:12:08.120 And then and then also we were seeing the fight with Senator Tommy Tuberville in the Senate where the DOD has made it clear they would rather prioritize circumnavigating federal law against funding abortions.

00:12:21.940 And they would rather try to circumnavigate that and find these creative loopholes to prioritize abortion over their own generals getting promoted.

00:12:33.220 And other than Tommy Tuberville, no one's really calling them out for that illegal action.

00:12:40.040 But my point is, we're seeing from a personal level all the way up to the top levels, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, we're seeing extreme lack of ownership and accountability across the board.

00:12:52.580 And COVID was a perfect example of that.

00:12:56.280 And so our goal with Seals Beat Biden is to just lay out all of these issues and show the dangers that they're causing.

00:13:03.460 And those dangers are not only the murder of our, you know, our children, but also you look at Europe and you see the largest land war that we've had since World War Two.

00:13:13.280 And that is a result of failure of aggressive, strong military and political leadership.

00:13:20.160 You look over at Israel in the last few weeks. Again, we see a failure of Americans to lead.

00:13:26.120 We see a failure of a strong military response. Afghanistan, we already talked about it.

00:13:32.140 we lost 13 lives. And with all these wars erupting around us, our Secretary of Defense

00:13:40.060 is claiming that the existential threat to America is climate change. The rising of half an inch of

00:13:48.460 water over the next 100 years, that's our existential threat when we have nuclear-powered

00:13:53.120 adversaries going to war. And so this is a big deal. And it's across the board, and it's affecting

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00:15:59.620 Yeah, the West appears to be, for a long time, but especially today, incredibly suicidal.

00:16:07.640 The West has a death wish that I think a lot of Westerners have simply, they may not even be completely conscious of it, but they've lost the will to live.

00:16:19.480 That we've actually, we've bought into white guilt.

00:16:24.420 We've bought into the oppressor and oppressed narrative to the point where many Westerners, they actually don't think that they deserve to have a heritage.

00:16:35.200 They've been taught and discipled and indoctrinated to despise and hate their heritage.

00:16:41.920 And so we've welcomed in through our borders and into our countries the very thing that will ultimately destroy the West. 0.90

00:16:51.740 And that's what we've seen in Europe. 0.96

00:16:53.360 I mean, I remember watching a video in France.

00:16:57.100 It was an old French lady who was on her knees pleading, but not pleading with the rioters, but actually pleading with the police not to hurt the rioters.

00:17:09.220 Please don't, you know, please don't be aggressive.

00:17:11.320 Please don't use physical, you know, action in order to, you know, to hold back the tide.

00:17:17.380 Please let these rioters burn down our cities.

00:17:20.700 Please let these rioters destroy our country. 0.52

00:17:24.000 And I thought that that was a perfect picture of the typical Westerner at this point, that we've been so, so strung out on guilt that we don't think that we can have borders.

00:17:38.320 We don't think that we can have a military.

00:17:40.240 We don't think that we deserve a defense or any of these things.

00:17:43.540 We've forgotten the goodness of the inherent goodness of God's design for sovereign nations, for their borders to be maintained.

00:17:52.720 We've forgotten that nations have an obligation first to their own citizens, that the civil

00:17:58.300 magistrate does not exist to strive towards the welfare of people on the other side of

00:18:06.340 the planet, but rather he exists in his first duty under God is to his own citizens, to

00:18:13.100 his own people.

00:18:13.740 And so everybody's a Christian nationalist if we're talking about Ukraine, everybody's

00:18:19.320 a Christian nationalist, certainly if we're talking about Israel.

00:18:22.120 The only country that you really are not allowed to love and seek its preservation is these United States.

00:18:29.820 And the military in its slow decline, I think, and rapid at this point, but the decline of a strong military seems to be evidence of what I've just said. 0.98

00:18:43.000 It also seems to be evidence of just the feminization of our culture as a whole and a putrid hatred of what might be referred to now as toxic masculinity, that we hate Westerners, we hate white people, we hate men. 0.97

00:19:00.680 And ultimately, I think all of that, the common denominator is that we hate Christ, we hate Christians and the Christian faith. 0.89

00:19:08.080 Do you have any thoughts on that? 0.57

00:19:09.300 yeah um it's hard to know where to begin but i'll start where you did with the with the white rage

00:19:15.760 that you talked about i mean we saw it immediately um when the when the administration turned over in

00:19:20.940 2020 i was on deployment and we we actually had to sit down as a platoon of navy seals we were

00:19:27.800 we were ordered to sit down and we had to go through a briefing on our white rage and we had

00:19:33.240 to you know sign letters that said you know we accept and like acknowledge that we have white

00:19:38.160 rage and we discriminate and we need to work on that and and i looked at this and i was like that

00:19:43.120 was kind of one of my first wake-up calls i was like wait a second like i don't have white rage

00:19:48.180 like there's people of every you know race ethnicity origin we had people you know we were

00:19:53.740 training partner force in in africa like we have no white rage against these people we're here to

00:19:58.540 help and and and we work with them in our own units um and so that was kind of i mean the white 0.96

00:20:04.960 rage issue in America is ridiculous. And the former chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff, 0.92

00:20:10.420 Mark Milley, he even talked to Congress about in an official hearing how he wanted to better

00:20:16.760 educate himself on his own white rage. And you look at these guys who are supposed to be your

00:20:21.400 leaders. These are the guys you follow. They have the decorated 40-year career. They're the manly

00:20:26.940 men in uniform. And you're like, what? How can I follow you? How can I respect you?

00:20:34.960 And so and that's that. And you see you see that the direct correlation and cause, you know, the direct, you know, what follows from that is that we see historic declines in retention and recruitment in the military.

00:20:50.020 The army just missed it this past year. 20,000 people are no longer going.

00:20:54.340 And you talked about feminism and kind of this, you know, fear of being a man.

00:21:01.260 The military has always historically been one of those places where you can, you know, go and learn how to be a man, you know, because everyone is everyone has testosterone, whether you like it or not.

00:21:10.800 And so how are you going to channel that? Are you going to be a gangbanger who's, you know, lets your testosterone destroy and hurt people?

00:21:19.460 or are you going to channel it in, you know, through discipline and, and hard work? And are

00:21:24.520 you going to use it to build something and to make the world a better place? And that's what

00:21:28.800 the military has always been. Um, but unfortunately that's, that's kind of been taken away from us.

00:21:34.360 And actually it reminded me as you were talking, I saw a video of yours the other day

00:21:38.660 and, and one of the guests was talking about whether or not they would advise their own

00:21:44.380 children to join the military. You guys had a brief discussion on that. And it's sad, but it's

00:21:50.340 true. I come from a military family. My dad spent 27 years in the Marine Corps. I grew up living on

00:21:57.220 military bases. I joined the military. I spent six years in it. And so it's always been a huge part

00:22:01.880 of my life. It's always been, you know, an example of a good man, you know, someone who joins the

00:22:07.460 military, not a requirement, but it helps. And now I've gotten to the point where, you know,

00:22:12.500 I have friends and family asking me like, Hey, should, you know,

00:22:15.140 should we send, you know, our son to the Academy or should he go enlisted or

00:22:19.200 officer, you know, should he try out buds? And it's,

00:22:22.360 it's tough because while, you know,

00:22:24.500 the first four years of my service were the best four years of my life,

00:22:28.400 learned the most grew, met incredible men,

00:22:31.700 developed incredible relationships.

00:22:34.960 The last two really showed the direction it's going.

00:22:38.300 And so it's not an easy answer for me. You know, I want to say yes,

00:22:41.840 absolutely and and as a christian i want to say yes we need to be that salt you know in the world

00:22:46.840 we need to be you know pointing people to christ and across all institutions so i don't want to

00:22:51.180 abandon it i don't want to retreat but also is it can you be a good christian man when you're

00:22:56.800 signing you know legal documents saying that you accept you have white rage and you're not going to

00:23:02.240 um that you agree with all these um social and political ideologies that are um fundamentally

00:23:10.380 anti-christian um so right it's tough it's hard and and there's no easy answer but we need right

00:23:18.760 um that's one of the one of the reasons again why we want to draw attention to this is because

00:23:23.280 it's reversible um the left did it you know christian um men of character common sense

00:23:30.120 we can we can do it as well we can take back these institutions it just requires us um

00:23:35.620 coming together, acknowledging what we're facing and creating game plans to, to fight back.

00:23:43.900 Right. R.R. Reno, a while back, he wrote a book called Return of the Strong Gods.

00:23:50.260 And he's kind of comparing and contrasting what he considers strong gods, lowercase g,

00:23:56.600 versus the weak gods. And the weak gods are, you know, in a nutshell, it's DEI, it's diversity,

00:24:03.720 its equity, its inclusion, uh, weak gods would be like egalitarianism, uh, feminism, um,

00:24:11.300 inclusivism, um, principled pluralism, um, you know, classical liberalism, I would label as

00:24:18.100 a weak God. Um, the classical liberalism, I think only appeared, uh, in terms of optics to be

00:24:24.980 successful because it was writing off of the prior capital of Christendom. And so you have all these,

00:24:31.160 weak gods, that basically it's the post-war sentiment that after, you know, World War I

00:24:37.840 and World War II, especially in regards to Hitler, that the West kind of universally agreed never

00:24:46.640 again. And the never again, part of what they thought that maybe they could avoid is, you know,

00:24:52.600 we can avoid an authoritarian. And there is a difference between an authoritarian versus a

00:24:58.520 totalitarian, but they were far less concerned with someone like Stalin and, you know, and looking

00:25:05.380 at the Soviet Union, but they focused their greatest fears and concerns on Germany and the

00:25:13.180 Third Reich and Adolf Hitler. And so they said, we never again are we going to have an authoritarian

00:25:18.060 and some of the signs that we can preemptively mark as red flags in order to avoid this kind of

00:25:25.880 global catastrophe is, you know, any, any strong male figure. Like I remember visiting Germany

00:25:33.280 when I was in high school with my dad on a mission trip and the men there are just,

00:25:38.200 you can just tell they're completely defeated. There, there is no assertiveness. There's no

00:25:45.800 strong masculine, you know, dominant characteristics whatsoever, because if there were

00:25:52.620 immediately what people would assume is, uh-oh, this is the next Hitler. This is the future 0.94

00:25:57.940 Hitler. You think of Donald Trump, despite all of his failures, I think, you know, his first three

00:26:03.000 years in his administration were, you know, some of the best presidential leadership in my lifetime.

00:26:09.840 His last year, I'm not quite as fond of, but the first three years I think were fantastic.

00:26:14.980 But, you know, what was the criticism that he received, you know, constantly? Well, he's Hitler, 1.00

00:26:20.260 He's Hitler, right? Because he's, uh, essentially he's just, uh, exerting strength. And so we're 0.89

00:26:25.980 going to avoid any kind of, uh, strong masculinity. So, um, the patriarchal idea would be viewed as

00:26:32.800 oppressive. So patriarchy, masculinity, um, you know, the, the idea of, uh, nationalism,

00:26:40.600 no, no, no, let's just do, you know, the, the global economic form, right? Like that's, uh,

00:26:45.820 you know, we need to, you know, a world without borders and a world where everyone's equal and a

00:26:51.160 world with this and equity and, you know, all these different things. So there's a despising

00:26:55.100 of hierarchy. There's a despising of patriarchy. There's a despising of a strong masculinity,

00:27:00.860 despising of nationalism, and ultimately a despising of, of any dogmatic assertion when

00:27:08.240 it comes to universal transcendent truth. So, so religion ultimately is what's going to be

00:27:15.120 despised. And the Christian faith, first and foremost, because it is the true religion, 0.99

00:27:20.200 it asserts fundamentally, first and foremost, that there is a God in heaven, that he will not

00:27:26.000 share his glory with another, and that he is king, that he is Lord, that he rules over all

00:27:33.380 the kings of the earth and all the lowercase l lords of the earth. He's king of kings,

00:27:37.880 Lord of Lords, and he has an immutable, transcendent standard of truth. Let God be true,

00:27:47.440 though every man were a liar. And so there seems to be massive opposition towards masculinity,

00:27:54.300 towards patriarchy, towards nationalism, in favor of globalism and open borders. That would be

00:28:00.020 another weak God. But ultimately, there's massive hostility and opposition towards

00:28:06.920 the Christian faith and really any religion that asserts strong, transcendent, dogmatic

00:28:13.160 truth.

00:28:13.800 So there's, you know, Islam would fall into that category.

00:28:16.860 Judaism would fall into that category, but mostly, mostly Christianity.

00:28:21.160 Judaism doesn't get nearly the pushback from most of the West.

00:28:26.520 It gets pushed back in the Middle East to be sure, but most of the West is friendly.

00:28:31.480 I think of Talmudic Judaism, Judaism today, modern Judaism, because in many ways, it is kind of

00:28:39.500 this universalism. You can kind of be anything and be a Jew. The only thing you can't be is

00:28:45.680 be Christian. You can't love Christ and be a Jew, but you can be a Buddhist Jew. You can be 0.96

00:28:51.080 an Islamic Jew in some sense. You can be a gay Jew. You can be a this Jew or that Jew. You just 1.00

00:28:56.880 can't be a Christian Jew. So Judaism doesn't get quite the pushback, but Islam certainly does. And 1.00

00:29:01.920 I think Christianity, as far as it being traditional biblical Christianity, gets a ton

00:29:07.060 of pushback. So all that framing out, you know, this statement that I'm going to make, I think

00:29:11.700 what R.R. Reno asserts in his book, Return of the Strong Gods, is not that it might happen,

00:29:17.000 but that it's actually an inevitability. And the reason why is because, you know, just like,

00:29:22.920 the people saying when David came back from war, before he had entered into the kingship and the

00:29:29.600 throne, when Saul was still on the throne, that Saul had killed his thousands, but David his

00:29:35.040 tens of thousands. And I think likewise, you could say Hitler killed his thousands. I'm no 0.80

00:29:39.460 Hitler apologist. He was not a good guy. Hitler killed his thousands, but Stalin his tens of

00:29:44.260 thousands. Or to frame it like Reno, the strong gods killed their thousands. Christendom killed 0.75

00:29:50.960 its thousands. The Crusades killed its thousands, but the weak gods have killed their tens of 0.59

00:29:56.940 thousands. And I think what we've realized is that secularism, secular humanism, classical

00:30:05.340 liberalism, principled pluralism, globalism, feminism, egalitarianism, all of these things

00:30:12.580 at the end of the day, when it comes to the death toll, they put up 10 times the numbers of

00:30:19.720 casualties as any strong god does. Globalism kills more people than nationalism, even nationalism

00:30:26.960 when gone wrong, hyper-nationalism. And feminism, I mean, well, abortion. Feminism in just the last 0.68

00:30:36.060 half century in America alone has racked up 70 million as the death toll. Patriarchy can't get 1.00

00:30:43.960 those kinds of numbers, even if it tried, that Christendom on its worst day, I can't hold a

00:30:51.140 candle to secular humanism. And so all that being said, my point is that I think there is an

00:30:56.720 inevitable return to the strong God. So then the old, you know, theonomic Roshiduni adage is this,

00:31:03.280 it's not whether, but which, it's not whether we'll return to the strong God's nationalism,

00:31:08.840 making a comeback in favor over globalism patriarchy making a comeback in favor over

00:31:14.940 feminism um you know christianity and and faith and religion and tradition making a comeback over

00:31:21.780 uh principled pluralism and classical liberalism so i think that's inevitable there's going to be

00:31:27.300 a return to the strong gods so then the question is not whether but which uh which nationalism will

00:31:32.340 you have because you're going to have nationalism right now i mean you just look at twitter you look

00:31:36.840 at the world, the way that things are going, the stage is set for Caesarism. I don't know if you're

00:31:43.640 familiar with that idea, but this idea of a strong figure, and I'm not even saying that I'm in favor

00:31:47.500 of it. So I'm not saying that I'm rooting for a Caesar. I like a representative, you know,

00:31:52.400 constitutional republic, but I think that our constitution, it's not that, it's not a question

00:31:58.000 of whether or not I want to keep it. I'm just recognizing what time it is, like the sons of

00:32:02.380 is a car and saying, Hey, the constitution's gone. That thing's broken. We haven't been abiding by

00:32:07.000 the constitution since at least the 1960s. And you can make an argument even earlier.

00:32:12.280 So I think that the stage is set and ripe for a strong sense of nationalism, a strong,

00:32:19.600 even Caesarism, strong patriarchy over feminism, all these kinds of things and strong religion

00:32:25.940 over, you know, secularism. So I think that's going to happen. So then the question is,

00:32:30.940 Which one are you going to have? If you're going to have nationalism, I would like to advocate for Christian nationalism rather than Islamic nationalism or Jewish nationalism or pagan nationalism.

00:32:43.600 If we're going to have patriarchy, I'd like it to be Christian patriarchy, biblical patriarchy, and not Islamic patriarchy or pagan patriarchy.

00:32:51.740 So I see it as an inevitability that the weak gods have been so sinister in the name of love and universalism and egalitarianism and equality.

00:33:02.080 It had it was like putting lipstick on a pig, right, that it had a pretty veneer, a kind, you know, Joe Biden, the most empathetic president.

00:33:11.680 OK, well, this empathetic president has racked up casualties like like very few presidents in recent history.

00:33:19.980 This guy, his death toll is off the charts.

00:33:24.580 And so empathy has not served us well.

00:33:27.420 The weak gods have done more harm and more destruction than the strong gods, inevitably

00:33:32.360 coming back to the strong gods, nationalism, faith, tradition, father rule, patriarchy,

00:33:39.280 these kinds of things.

00:33:40.300 So then the question again, not whether, but which.

00:33:43.020 That's why I'm kind of standing in the gap.

00:33:45.160 Instead of busting, you know, the old tried and true Gandalf move, standing on the bridge in between the third way, Timothy Keller type of thing, you shall not pass to the bell rock.

00:33:55.700 What I'm doing is, you know, and others like me are saying, no, no, no, this is inevitable.

00:33:59.860 And we think it is God's design.

00:34:02.000 We think it's biblical more than just pragmatic and inevitable.

00:34:05.480 We think it's true.

00:34:06.640 It's actually biblical.

00:34:07.560 So I'm not going to stand to the bridge in between, you know, egalitarianism and patriarchy.

00:34:12.380 No, I'm just going to come all the way over here into patriarchy land and then carve out a biblical patriarchy and advocate for that.

00:34:19.760 Plant my flag there and say, hey, when the masses have had it and they're sick and tired of the weak gods in the West being suicidal and destroying itself, and they inevitably return to something like patriarchy, I'm going to be over here saying, hey, biblical patriarchy is better than Andrew Tate.

00:34:35.540 when they inevitably come back from globalism to nationalism i'm going to say hey christian

00:34:39.980 nationalism is a lot better than pagan nationalism those kinds of things so my question to you is do

00:34:46.100 you see that also that in your experience with navy seals and some of your friendships not just

00:34:51.600 the structures or the system but with actual individual people that you know do you see that

00:34:57.600 that pent up building frustration that the dam is going to break that there's going to be some kind

00:35:03.760 of push, that people are fed up and sick and tired of our secular, humanistic, egalitarian

00:35:11.500 world?

00:35:14.660 That's a good question.

00:35:15.980 And I think, I don't think it's an easy answer.

00:35:18.100 I don't think it's a yes or no.

00:35:19.220 I think that there are people on both sides. 0.99

00:35:21.180 I think because we've lost, I think because Christians have retreated from the world, 0.99

00:35:27.320 we've lost the ability to define things. 1.00

00:35:29.960 um so and then even inside you know our churches churches become so decayed in some regards that

00:35:36.400 even terms like patriarchy are you know i can't say i'm a patriarchist or you know patriarchal

00:35:41.680 and then you know and and assume the other person i'm talking to knows what i mean because it's

00:35:47.800 become kind of bastardized you know some people it's can be an abusive term you know to some

00:35:53.440 people even though that is i would argue in genesis you know god created man to be a leader

00:35:59.860 and he created woman to be his companion and helper. And it's beautiful teamwork.

00:36:05.340 And yet that's what patriarchy should mean, you know, in a very simple form. But we've lost our

00:36:12.840 definitions. And so with that, because we've lost definitions, we've lost the ability,

00:36:18.240 the Christian worldview to interpret history. No one knows how to, they have no standard to 0.99

00:36:25.300 to judge anything on and so i think honestly unfortunately where i'm at is where i see people

00:36:31.480 or you know around me is a lot of guys just are kind of drifting they don't have anything to grab

00:36:36.120 onto and you need that kind of flag bear to you know put plant the flag and say hey this is what

00:36:42.280 it means to be a man this is what it means to be a christian this is what it means to be a patriot

00:36:46.000 this is what it means to be a soldier and nobody has that definition anymore you know i mean that

00:36:51.100 that documentary what is it you know what is a woman no one can even describe what a woman is

00:36:55.420 and so and i think you have to have you have to have conviction to be bold you have to have

00:37:00.140 conviction to fight for something um you know like soldiers your books have been written on

00:37:05.280 soldiers fight in war and they die not for love of country necessarily but for love of you know

00:37:09.840 neighbor a love of their brothers in arms you know they they want to protect them fight for them

00:37:13.600 but we've lost the we don't even have camaraderie you know in the ranks people don't even want to

00:37:18.220 be in the military anymore so honestly i i guess the the long-winded answer summed up is

00:37:24.400 i don't think there is i'm worried there isn't that boiling pot of water that's about to burst

00:37:31.460 because people just don't know what to believe anymore so what i want to do is is help people

00:37:38.080 and you know find people like yourself who are giving people those definitions again giving

00:37:42.120 people something to grasp on to so that they can be like oh no i can now recognize this is wrong

00:37:47.120 You know, marriage is between a man and a woman. Why? Because the Bible says so. And if you don't have the Bible to back up stuff, then you're floating. You have nothing. And to touch on another thing, you talked about Hitler being kind of this masculine, nationalistic person. 0.74

00:38:04.540 I would almost push back on that a little bit and say, in an outward appearance, yes, I see where you're coming from. 0.85

00:38:11.460 But if you actually look at Hitler, and I'm no historian, but I dabble, and he was a weak and feminine man. 0.95

00:38:18.440 He was a bad soldier. 0.97

00:38:20.180 He was a bad painter.

00:38:22.100 He was bad at most of the things he did, and he was a jealous person and very spiteful.

00:38:28.360 And I think that shows weakness.

00:38:29.820 Yes. Yes. So it's kind of a bastardized version of masculinity in that he took defeat. And instead of, you know, the American way is you fail and then you go and start a new company, right? That's how you channel, you know, discipline and masculinity to build things.

00:38:44.600 He took all these failures of his early life and channeled it into hatred and anger and spitefulness.

00:38:51.080 And so I see him being a weak and feminine person who tries to, you know, kind of masquerade as as this patriarchal, you know, manly man who, you know, he had all the medals on his chest, kind of like the generals we have today.

00:39:04.320 They have, you know, medals from their collarbone to their belly button for doing what? 0.94

00:39:08.140 Just being in the service for 40 years.

00:39:09.940 you know and you look at you know generals like patten manly man not perfect but a manly man

00:39:14.760 you know and he had like three four medals across his chest when he you know waged war all across

00:39:19.400 africa and europe but and so i see i see these kind of leaders like hitler and you know and even

00:39:26.080 you look at today some of the da's that are in new york and you know certain congressmen and stuff

00:39:30.820 who advocate for all these soft on crime policies globalism like you're talking about this loving

00:39:35.700 egalitarian whatever you want to call it and then uh you know it's a very sad story but one

00:39:43.040 was just stabbed to death a few weeks ago while with his with a girl and he was you know just 0.55

00:39:49.480 trying to be all you know passive and just hey don't don't worry to this you know crazy delusional

00:39:54.560 criminal and he gets stabbed to death and so i mean i i would put him you know i people love 0.94

00:40:00.080 comparing their enemies to you know hitler i'm not trying to do that in the grand scheme of things 0.82

00:40:04.500 just as far as infeminacy goes like they're weak and it caused death and destruction and so i don't

00:40:11.740 see hitler as a masculine man at all i see him or patriarchal i see him as a as a weak and feminine 0.86

00:40:17.000 coward who then tried to play on people's emotions just like i see in our country today our leadership 0.99

00:40:23.500 today they're weak and feminine cowards and and they're playing on emotions to and destroying 0.99

00:40:30.740 definitions to try and herd sheep um off the side of a cliff yeah so i don't think you're wrong but 0.96

00:40:37.160 i think there needs to be a distinction between the inward and the outward of the man so if you're

00:40:42.340 saying that hitler the truest sense inwardly that he was effeminate and weak and bitter and jealous

00:40:48.460 sure um but uh in terms of his what he's campaigning on his public uh persona in terms of

00:40:58.100 his verbiage, his rhetoric, um, those kinds of things. So if we're saying like, well, when push

00:41:03.140 comes to shove, if it's you and Hitler in a room alone, the guy is, you know, he's weak and he's 0.67

00:41:08.160 going to fold like a cheap suit. Sure. That's fine. Um, but my point is in terms of, um, publicly 0.59

00:41:13.580 the, the perception, the optic, uh, a guy like Hitler and authoritarian, what he runs on is not

00:41:20.940 globalism and uh you know a world without borders what he runs on what he's he's a populist what

00:41:28.140 what he runs on what rallies the country the nation is a strong sense of national pride it's

00:41:34.920 strong men it's strong now you can do all that without being a strong man yourself you can do

00:41:41.760 all that as a veneer you can do all that as um ultimately a grift it's a play uh but but the

00:41:48.960 leaders that we have today, I think what's unique and significant about them, it's not just that

00:41:54.340 they're weak men. Bad leaders are always weak men. Strong men, a man who's truly strong in his inward

00:42:02.080 strength, he resists the temptation of sin. He resists bitterness. He resists jealousy. He

00:42:08.900 resists selfishness and consumer materialistic comfort, personal comfort and personal praise

00:42:16.540 and all these kinds of things.

00:42:17.860 So if a man is truly strong inwardly,

00:42:20.360 then he will be a good leader.

00:42:24.160 So when I'm comparing and contrasting

00:42:26.740 the strong authoritarian versus somebody

00:42:30.200 who's a weak, empathetic leader like Joe Biden,

00:42:35.160 I'm not comparing the inward realities, 0.62

00:42:39.780 objective reality of this man versus that man,

00:42:43.200 But I'm comparing and contrasting the outward veneer, what the, you know, the perception, what they present publicly. And so the leaders that we have today, I would say, you know, so Hitler, if you're saying, well, in the objective sense, he's weak, but subjectively, publicly in terms of his presentation and his rhetoric, well, yeah, and those kinds of things, he certainly rallied on nationalism. He rallied on this and that.

00:43:06.680 well I think that that's fair if you're saying inwardly in the truest sense he's weak Joel

00:43:11.780 okay fine I'll concede that point I think you're right but the difference is that the leaders we

00:43:16.420 have today both in the objective inward sense the true sense but then also the outward veneer and

00:43:21.820 subjective sense they're weak all the way down at both levels like Joe Biden ran as saying hey

00:43:29.860 you know what you just had a guy who had some strong dogmatic views and we saw that as being

00:43:35.780 divisive and racist and this and that. And I'm going to come and unite, you know, I'm going to

00:43:42.820 fight for the soul of America and I'm going to unite the people and I'm going to be an empathetic

00:43:48.300 president. And, and so I think, you know, you can make an argument that at some level inwardly,

00:43:55.260 both Trump and Biden have some aspects, some strong aspects of being a weak man in the objective

00:44:03.280 inward sense, but the public sense is what I'm talking about in terms of their persona,

00:44:08.220 their campaigning, their rhetoric. One thought that we should build a wall and the other guy

00:44:15.380 thought that that was racist and it wasn't egalitarian enough. And so that's, you know,

00:44:20.880 so that anyways, all that being said for you to say, you know, well, I see people drifting.

00:44:25.320 That's helpful for me to hear. I have, you know, I have nothing objective to use to push back on

00:44:30.820 that and to say that you're wrong. I think you're probably right. I think a lot of people are

00:44:34.760 drifting. And so I think there is a frustration that is pent up that's building. But I think

00:44:41.200 you're right. We're probably not there yet, sadly. Sadly, there's still, you know, you could probably

00:44:46.500 argue that the majority of frogs in this proverbial pot are still content to stay in the pot as it's

00:44:53.300 slowly heating up, as they're slowly being boiled alive. I'd like to think though, and this is maybe

00:44:58.400 wishful or overly optimistic thinking, but I'd like to think that some of those frogs,

00:45:04.520 even a good portion of them still have enough nerve endings that at a certain point, the pot

00:45:11.120 being heated up is going to trigger them and they're going to jump out. So you said, you know,

00:45:17.280 some are, they're not just, you know, necessarily diehard committed to the homo jihad,

00:45:22.740 but they're also not diehard committed to, you know, Christian nationalism, the biblical 0.63

00:45:27.060 patriarchy, they're drifting. So you talked about it like a lot of these in between guys. And again,

00:45:31.500 I think that's my point is to say that, um, yes, a lot of guys are drifting. And if the water gets,

00:45:37.940 keeps getting hot enough, uh, those frogs that, that aren't already unconscious and floating,

00:45:43.620 uh, but the ones that actually still are alive and have some vitality, some nerve endings will

00:45:48.660 actually feel, uh, the, the, you know, the increase in temperature, uh, they're going to

00:45:53.540 jump out. And when they jump out, um, in their drifting, uh, they're, they're going to have

00:45:59.640 some options. Uh, they could drift to, uh, Joe Rogan. They could drift to Andrew Tate.

00:46:06.080 Uh, they could drift, you know, um, but I would like for some Christians actually take back and 1.00

00:46:12.720 recover. Um, like you said, some of these definitions and say, well, no, there, there 0.99

00:46:17.540 actually is, there is a biblical way of, of making sense of moral obligation and the order of loves

00:46:27.280 for our, our neighbors here in this country. There's an argument to be made for a biblical

00:46:36.540 nationalism, or certainly at least patriotism. There's an argument to be made for father rule

00:46:42.540 that is Christian and loving and sacrificial, but also strong. And so, you know, those kinds of

00:46:49.400 things. So it's helpful to hear you express your thoughts on that matter, that basically what I

00:46:55.020 hear you saying in a nutshell is, I don't really know if we're there yet. I don't know if there

00:46:59.180 are enough frustrated people. I think there's still just a lot of blind sheep being led off 0.87

00:47:03.860 of a cliff. And you know what, you're probably right. Hopefully by God's grace, some of them 0.89

00:47:09.780 will wake up. And when they do, I'm hoping that they don't see that when they wake up and they

00:47:17.740 realize how bad secular humanism actually is, that they don't open their eyes. And the first

00:47:23.240 option they see that seems to present the most promise and hope is Islam. So that's what I'm

00:47:31.580 working towards is to, yes, wake people up. And I think that's what you're doing is, well, you know

00:47:36.740 you can say it like this. I think you're working to wake people up and I'm working to, uh, to

00:47:41.780 prepare, um, a place for those people once they're actually awake. Um, so that they, you know, with

00:47:48.640 their newfound, you know, consciousness with their eyes now wide open, uh, that they wouldn't just 0.95

00:47:54.060 see the hideousness of our current, um, our current position, uh, as Westerners and then,

00:48:01.000 and then just run as a reaction to anything that seems to convey strength, you know, despite

00:48:08.920 whether or not that thing is actually biblical and true. So you're working to wake people up.

00:48:14.520 And I think I'm working to prepare to carve out from the scripture, a biblical option for guys

00:48:21.540 as they do wake up to the reality that we need to return to the strong gods, that the strong

00:48:28.380 gods there is i think will be a return you're saying well i don't know if we're there yet and

00:48:31.940 you're probably right but eventually i think by god's grace we will be and when uh the nation

00:48:37.060 returns to the strong gods i'd like to i'd like to say that uh of the strong gods uh there is only

00:48:42.760 one who is a strong and true god join douglas wilson dr joseph boot brian sauvet eric khan

00:48:56.020 and myself on march 1st 2nd and 3rd for our 2024 conference it's called blueprints for chrysidom

00:49:03.320 2.0 go and visit rightresponseconference.com to register today we hope to see you at the conference

00:49:11.140 in march yeah no i i agree with you and i and i so basically what how i see it is

00:49:23.600 we're not taught how to critically think anymore we're just you know in schools in society you

00:49:29.900 know we're used to turning on the tv or going into the classroom and the instructor says you

00:49:34.240 know two plus two equals four and we're like okay that's it and we just kind of memorize what

00:49:39.380 experts tell us and so that's kind of one of the reasons why i don't think you know the water's

00:49:44.340 boiling but we can't even see it because you know you're looking up at the cook and the cook's

00:49:48.900 telling you everything's good and so you're like oh he said it's good so and so yeah absolutely

00:49:53.540 i'm trying to you know wake people up trying to give them information to think about and then i

00:49:58.960 think something we don't do a good job of um politically you know as a conservative and then

00:50:04.120 also religiously as a christian we we don't cast a vision when we have the only good vision and so

00:50:11.500 i love what you're doing um i love your podcast i listen to it on a weekly basis but you know so

00:50:16.320 many there's so many um people now who are starting to grow and they're actually casting a vision like

00:50:23.260 hey okay this is bad we're all really good at saying this is bad i'm you know i can complain

00:50:28.280 about the military all day long and say this is bad this is bad but we're really bad at actually

00:50:32.840 saying okay this is wrong now let's do this and actually lay it out right and so that's one of

00:50:38.940 the goals of seals beat biden too is yes point out hey this was bad and this is why it's bad

00:50:44.700 and this is how it can be better and then you know and it takes way more than two episodes

00:50:49.500 um it takes you know way more than one person it takes a team but that is the goal and i actually

00:50:55.940 you know i totally agree with you that you know the frogs are going to start jumping out

00:50:59.620 and it's whose pot are they going to jump into afterwards absolutely so we got to try and work

00:51:04.980 out of the pan yeah into the fire into the fire absolutely will it actually be yeah no you're

00:51:10.880 right and that's that's helpful you know to like yeah there's there are some that have woken you

00:51:16.240 know awoken and said you know well we we need to um yeah we're against this we're against that we're

00:51:23.560 against this we're against that uh but we need a positive vision that's what i hear you saying

00:51:28.020 and christianity is the only thing that presents a truly positive vision otherwise you just you

00:51:33.800 know you just ultimately you're just doing um you're just choosing between idols you're just

00:51:39.080 exchanging, you know, trading one idol for another. And all the idols are bad. And I do think that

00:51:47.120 some are worse than others. First John talks about, you know, a sin that leads to death. And so I do

00:51:51.740 think that there, among all the false gods, there are strong false gods. And I think, you know,

00:51:57.860 Allah would be one of those. And there are weak false gods. And I think, you know, George Soros

00:52:03.360 would be one of those. And I think that, you know, one is actually worse than the other in terms of

00:52:08.320 its ability to destroy human society in this life, but both are equally bad in the sense that both

00:52:16.160 lead to destruction in the life to come, eternal hell apart from Christ. And so, yeah, it's at the

00:52:24.560 end of the day, we need, we don't just need to say the weak gods are bad, but then we need to say,

00:52:30.600 okay, but here's a positive vision, something, this is why it's better. Not just feminism is bad, 1.00

00:52:36.640 But this is why biblical masculinity is hopeful and the true, the good, the beautiful. 1.00

00:52:45.120 And by God's grace, I think there are a lot of guys doing that.

00:52:47.760 So let's go ahead and land the plane now.

00:52:50.000 But tell us just your final thoughts about Seals Beat Biden, about the project that you guys have released.

00:52:57.400 How can people find it?

00:52:59.000 What are the things to look out for and anything else that you want to say on that subject?

00:53:02.840 Yeah. So first and foremost, I just want to say, I want to reiterate that this is not just about COVID. This is not rehashing, you know, oh, I had a terrible, terrible time in the military. This is, hey, this is, this affected 250,000 service members were at the point of losing their career over this. 8,500 actually did.

00:53:25.460 Some of them got removed, dishonorable discharges, lost benefits, all for standing on principal conviction.

00:53:32.000 There are people who, you know, some of my friends are paying back tens of thousands of dollars in bonuses after being kicked out of the military.

00:53:38.660 So that's an important foundation to understand that.

00:53:41.920 But then it's also important to realize, like I said, the military is being used to bludgeon the American people into political and social change because people look up to the military.

00:53:54.860 It's the most trusted institution in America for a reason.

00:53:58.460 And so these are all coming from systemic and pretty much in widespread military and administration leadership.

00:54:09.440 The guys on the ground are great guys.

00:54:12.220 They're just looking up above to their leadership, trying to trying to serve their country.

00:54:17.320 And so we as American people need to help them.

00:54:19.940 We need to hold the administration and the DOD leadership accountable.

00:54:25.880 We need to replace those who have failed us.

00:54:31.020 And so this Seals Beat Biden is the wake up call that we're hoping to just show the American people, hey, this fight is not over.

00:54:38.920 It's very much a current issue.

00:54:41.320 There are children being aborted. 0.97

00:54:42.900 There are transgenders, surgeries that are taking taxpayer dollars, taking service members offline who should be serving their country. 0.98

00:54:52.420 There are Christians being purged from the military. And we can do something about it. 1.00

00:54:57.940 We can actually do something about it. So I'd encourage everybody to head over sealsbeatbiden.com.

00:55:02.980 You can also find us on, you know, X. You can find us on Instagram and just start start getting involved, whether that's just learning more yourself, starting to think critically or whether that's, you know, calling your representative and saying like, hey, what are we going to do about this?

00:55:19.200 This isn't over. There are eighty five hundred people who got kicked out of the military. Their lives, careers are ruined.

00:55:25.440 What are we doing to to make that right?

00:55:27.780 um yeah and and we've got to do something about this because it's not stopping it's not going

00:55:36.020 away we can't put our head in the sand anymore right you're right yeah it won't stop unless

00:55:41.000 there's accountability it's not about again it's not about bitterness uh it's not about just trying

00:55:46.920 to you know prove that we were right um and it's not about you know a retribution or a punitive

00:55:54.620 response. It's, no, we actually want behavior to change. We want justice. People were wronged.

00:56:02.400 Other people did things that were wrong. And the way that you get people, you ensure that those

00:56:10.560 things don't happen again. And you ensure that those who have been wronged are made whole

00:56:15.620 is by providing checks and balances, accountability. And so, yeah, so that needs to be done because it

00:56:23.820 really is a matter of justice. And those, again, who are calling out for COVID amnesty, if you

00:56:29.940 want to just to forgive and move on, that's great. But you have to repent and make it right.

00:56:37.760 You have to repent and make it right. The gospel is not about forgetting. It is about forgiving.

00:56:46.560 But I think some, they use that word forgiveness. But really what they want is just forgetting.

00:56:52.880 And many don't even use the word forgiveness because even that implies in forgiveness, it's implied that a mistake or that a sin or that failure actually occurred.

00:57:04.820 And that's the problem is that people, there are a lot of people in positions of institutional power and the military, sadly, is no exception.

00:57:12.040 The church, sadly, is no exception, but many people in institutional positions of leadership

00:57:17.760 that refuse to acknowledge that forgiveness is even necessary because they refuse to acknowledge

00:57:26.400 they did anything wrong.

00:57:27.440 And so long as that maintains, you know, continues to be the position, then there are people

00:57:32.840 like 8,500 service members who were wronged and robbed and stolen from who will not be

00:57:39.540 made whole.

00:57:40.180 Um, they will not get justice unless, um, people continue to say that's enough. I feel like, you

00:57:46.900 know, with COVID, you know, uh, the science, the medical science didn't change, but the political

00:57:52.720 science did. Um, when people ask, you know, when was it appropriate? Uh, you know, like, when did

00:57:58.580 the mask mandates finally stop? You know, when did the madness stop? Uh, where, you know, you,

00:58:03.920 you weren't and, you know, expected that you didn't have to mask up. You didn't have to do

00:58:07.860 this you didn't have to do that like when did it stop and the answer is it's not that it stopped

00:58:11.680 when a certain you know variant that was less harmful came on the scene and dr fauci you know

00:58:16.440 like oh well you know the medical science has now changed and now it's you know safe and permissible

00:58:21.400 to do this and to you know to be indoors without a man that's not when it stopped it stopped the

00:58:26.660 second not one second later and not one second before but it stopped when the american people

00:58:32.700 as a whole said, yeah, we're done with this. That's how things stop. It's political will.

00:58:39.340 And political will is always going to be undergirded by a moral will of a moral people.

00:58:44.480 And if by God's grace, we can rally and inspire enough people with a strong iron moral and

00:58:52.680 therefore political will to say, no, nah, you're done. Then all of a sudden you'll see the white 0.96

00:58:59.680 coats go, oh, well, the science changed. Turns out you don't need a mask. It's not really the

00:59:03.820 science changing. The science changed because the political science changed because the American

00:59:07.860 people said, stop it. And Christians should lead the way. So Asa, thanks for coming on the show. 1.00

00:59:15.700 Final word, if you got any. No, I was just going to riff on that for just a second more. It's just,

00:59:20.900 you know, the definition of insanity is doing something that doesn't work and just

00:59:24.620 continually doing it and and so i want to also just point out that this is not a political

00:59:30.580 and it's at its core it's not a political thing this is not democrat versus republican

00:59:35.500 you know whether or not you know if you're a red-blooded american you know a human and you

00:59:40.080 look around the world and you see war in you know raging and you look at your country and you see

00:59:45.840 cities falling apart diseases you know all these different all these different things that we can

00:59:50.920 all accept the fact that the world is an unsafe place and and our our leadership has failed us

00:59:58.040 on both sides of the aisle and so what we have to do is look at that and then make a change and if

01:00:04.700 we want to be strong again if we want peace around the world if we want to be able to live our lives

01:00:09.160 go to school go to work if we want to do any of those basic human things then we need to make a

01:00:15.140 change and that change is easy. And so I just, yeah, I want to touch on that as well, that this

01:00:21.120 is not, you know, Hey, if you're a Republican, watch this, if you're a Democrat, watch this,

01:00:24.880 like this is just, if you're human, like we got some problems, let's identify them and let's move

01:00:30.080 on. All right. Sounds good. Thanks so much for coming on the show. Absolutely. Thanks for having

01:00:36.180 me.

The NXR Podcast - November 28, 2023

THEOLOGY APPLIED - Should Christians Join The Military Under Our Current Regime？ with Asa Miller

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