The NXR Podcast - THEOLOGY APPLIED - Sizes of Biblical Giants & Where They Could Be Hiding Today

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00:00:27 All right, welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied.

00:00:31 I am your host, Pastor Joel Webin with Right Response Ministries.

00:00:34 In this episode, I'm welcoming to the show Brian Sauve and Ben Garrett, the co-host of

00:00:39 Haunted Cosmos.

00:00:40 Now, what we're going to be talking about is the giants.

00:00:43 Many of you watched the episode that Ben and I did a couple months ago that focused on

00:00:47 the Watchers and the Nephilim, fallen angels and their immediate offspring with the daughters

00:00:52 of men, a humanoid hybrid between fallen angel and human being.

00:00:57 the Nephilim. But now we're going to be looking with Brian coming on the show to join us as well

00:01:02 at the offspring descendants of the Nephilim, which gives us various tribes and classifications

00:01:08 of giants. The first thing that you need to know is this, not all giants are the same.

00:01:13 Some giants like Goliath may have been 10, 11, 12 feet tall, but there are other giants,

00:01:19 we believe, and the Bible validates this, that were 30, 35, 40 feet tall. Different classifications,

00:01:26 different tribes different special abilities and techniques that they learned through the ages

00:01:31 through their fathers all the way back up to the fallen angels who taught them various things

00:01:36 that's what we're discussing in this episode and it's going to be fantastic now i'd be remiss if

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00:02:17 Without further ado, let's go ahead

00:02:18 and get ready to start the show.

00:02:21 Applying God's word to every aspect of life.

00:02:25 This is Theology Applied.

00:02:31 All right, we're going to get right into it.

00:02:33 Ben Garrett, go ahead and just lead the way here.

00:02:35 Give us a little bit of a synopsis, a bit of a framework.

00:02:39 How do we go to giants?

00:02:41 Where do they even come from?

00:02:43 Fallen angels, Nephilim, the whole nine yards.

00:02:45 Give us the synopsis version.

00:02:47 I'd love to, Joel.

00:02:48 So we start with giants in Genesis 6-4, where we're told that the sons of God came into

00:02:53 the daughters of men. And at that time, the Nephilim were on the earth at that time and

00:02:59 any time after when the sons of God came into the daughters of men. And the supernatural view,

00:03:05 which is the historically orthodox view, is that the sons of God is referring to fallen angels

00:03:09 and the daughters of men are just the daughters of men, the human beings that are women.

00:03:14 And they create this offspring that's a hybrid of the two, a partially divine and partially human

00:03:19 earthbound offspring called the Nephilim. And what's interesting is when the Greeks were doing

00:03:24 their translation into the Septuagint of the Old Testament, they, without question, every time the

00:03:30 Nephilim Hebrew word came up, which is Gaborim, they translated it into the Greek as giants,

00:03:37 as GIGAS. And then we see that popping up later through the Old Testament as well, in Numbers

00:03:42 multiple times and in Deuteronomy, referring to other Canaanite clans that Israel had to go in

00:03:48 and dispossess and destroy. And multiple times it refers to them, for example, like the Anakim

00:03:53 as the direct descendants of the Nephilim. And they were giants. And when the spies go in to

00:03:59 spy out the land of Canaan that they're going to go in and take, they come back and say,

00:04:02 well, we're really scared because there's giants there and the Nephilim are there. 0.94

00:04:05 And we looked like grasshoppers compared to them. So that's a really quick overview of how we get

00:04:11 there. And I've heard people object and say, well, are you going to believe these

00:04:15 liver, you know, yellow-bellied, cowardly Israelite spies about how big these people were. 0.98

00:04:23 They were just exaggerating. But the crazy thing is that as the narrative develops through the 0.98

00:04:29 Old Testament, first of all, in that context, nobody disputes that they were giant, that they

00:04:35 were huge. Not even Caleb, not even the guy who wasn't afraid. That's not the point. But then

00:04:40 later we see that the people of god are always fighting giants og the is a giant goliath and

00:04:46 his brothers i mean these they're the the existence of giants in the old testament is just sort of

00:04:52 almost casually right like oh yeah and then there were some giants that they had to fight and and

00:04:56 it was pretty metal but then god you know cut their heads off and and that now there's no more

00:05:00 like it doesn't it just acts like that's a nor to me how casually it references it demonstrates

00:05:07 how widespread this knowledge was in the ancient world that, oh yeah, there were giants like all

00:05:13 over the place. Yep. I completely agree. Uh, giants in the days of Noah. So some time periods

00:05:17 were quick in the days of Noah. Um, but also it seems like Abraham was fighting giants and

00:05:22 potentially even had a couple of giants who teamed up with him. Not that they were like

00:05:25 wholly necessarily, but more neutral. So Abraham's got giants. So there's Noah time period giants.

00:05:31 There's Abraham time period. Of course there's a Moses, um, and then, and then Joshua, and then 0.85

00:05:36 you have david and it seems like david's kind of rounding up some of the last of them but it

00:05:40 seems as though maybe some might have continued so those are the kind of things we want to talk

00:05:44 about giants uh real quick though with the nephilim uh the key word in my assessment me

00:05:49 and ben were talking about this offline but the word whenever so so that you know it says that

00:05:53 the nephilim were there on the earth uh before the flood and after and some translate it but the

00:05:59 better translation from my study, the Hebrew word is, it's not when the sons of God took the

00:06:07 daughters of men, but it's actually whenever. So I think that explains how do we get giants,

00:06:14 Nephilim, and then giants from the Nephilim after the flood? Because it seems as though this is

00:06:19 something that these fallen angels did multiple times, that they took the daughters of men

00:06:24 before the flood, but then it happened again after the flood. So we're not saying that giants

00:06:30 are surviving necessarily, you know, Nephilim on rafts. The reason why I wouldn't hold that

00:06:37 position is because I like to think that God flooded the earth for a reason and it wasn't in

00:06:41 vain that God was successful, but that this happened again. And that kind of blows out of

00:06:46 the water the speculation that giants would be smaller because if it's actually the sons of God

00:06:52 a second time, so you're starting first generation Nephilim again, then the giants that Abraham,

00:06:59 you know, post-flood after Noah, that Abraham's facing Joshua, Moses, these may not be, you know,

00:07:05 10th generation giants that are maybe a little smaller in stature. That could be the case with

00:07:09 David. But it seems like when Amos says that the Amorites were as tall as cedar trees,

00:07:17 that could be true. What do you guys think about that?

00:07:20 Definitely agree.

00:07:21 There's some legends in pagan history of their equivalent of Og, this king of Bashan that Moses goes in and defeats.

00:07:30 Their equivalent, and they say that Og held on to the back of the ark and was able to basically hold on and tread water and survive the flood.

00:07:39 And I don't think that you need that.

00:07:42 Because of the wording of Genesis 6-4, where it clearly seems to indicate at least the possibility that the same watcher and human cohabitation event took place.

00:07:54 The fornication event took place multiple times before and after the flood.

00:07:58 And then after the flood, they just began, just like the rest of the world, taking more distinct clans among themselves, like the Rephaim, the Anakim, the Emim, the Zuzim. 0.93

00:08:09 Yeah. Right. You see, you know, close to Mount Hermon, where it seems like some of this activity was centered around this Nephilimic activity that we have megalithic structures like the Gilgal Rephaim, which literally means the wheel of giants or the wheel of ghosts. 0.88

00:08:27 There's some speculation that the that may have been an ex-carnation chamber for Og in his body, like a place where they would put his body and bone ossuary.

00:08:39 You can see how these places might become places of worship over time where people would venerate these, you know, like spiritual beings or these great beings, these mighty men, the gibberim, you know, as as it is.

00:08:54 And you could see how all of these legends and ancient worship might grow up around these different real personalities who have real spiritual connection and begin to enslave and demand worship.

00:09:06 You see giants associated over and over in folklore, as well as even we believe in scripture with eating people.

00:09:14 Yeah, they're people eaters, they're devourers of men.

00:09:17 And just the ubiquity of these folkloric accounts across time and culture, I think, really demonstrates, you know, not some sort of just collective unconscious that people are, you know, inventing the same mythology over and over, but that these are actually rooted in actual historic events that took place, even with characters in the Bible like Nimrod, for example.

00:09:44 Yeah.

00:09:44 Can you guys talk about Nimrod for a moment?

00:09:47 Let's unpack Nimrod a little bit here.

00:09:49 Joel, I would love to talk.

00:09:50 We would love to talk.

00:09:52 I mean, like, bro, tell me about Nimrod.

00:09:54 Let's go.

00:09:56 Yeah, Nimrod's really fascinating because we don't get a lot of information in scripture about him,

00:10:01 except for his name and the fact that he is a mighty hunter before the Lord,

00:10:05 and also the fact that he founded cities like Babylon and Nineveh.

00:10:11 And so the idea is that Nimrod was kind of the head honcho of the Tower of Babel project build.

00:10:18 And what's interesting is when you really get into the subtitle Mighty Hunter Before the Lord, what you learn is that in the original Hebrew text, it's clearly meant to indicate that he was a tyrannical opponent of God.

00:10:30 So when it says Mighty Hunter Before God, it means that he was a hunter of men that God was disgusted with.

00:10:37 And part of how we get that understanding is that Nimrod's name actually means the rebel or to rebel or the rebellious one.

00:10:46 And then also in other Near Eastern histories, we get clear parallels with Nimrod, like in the character of Ninurta, even Marduk, Osiris in Egypt, even Hercules in Greece,

00:11:00 where both of these men, that all biblical scholars, secular and Christian, agree are

00:11:05 probably based on the same person, went through mighty acts of valor in order to win favor

00:11:12 among the gods and among men.

00:11:15 And even stuff like the flood narrative, where Ninurta is fighting against the God who sent

00:11:21 the flood in the hopes of saving the people that he's leading, twisting scripture into

00:11:26 saying that the God who sent the flood is actually the bad guy.

00:11:29 Yeah. And the Nurta or Nimrod is actually the one who's good trying to save everyone.

00:11:33 So it's just really striking to me how you get these clear connections with even older myths.

00:11:39 And it really makes you pause and question, are all these myths lies or are they rooted in truth?

00:11:45 And if so, how far does that truth go?

00:11:47 Even that that overtone that you hear there about the recasting of these stories in pagan mythology,

00:11:54 where the villains of scripture are recast as heroic figures is unsurprising and that the god

00:12:02 of the old testament is evil this is again just warmed over gnosticism that the god of the old

00:12:09 testament is a lesser deity who created the physical world and that to be truly enlightened

00:12:14 is to escape his worship and worship the true deity that's above him and there's a lot of these

00:12:19 uh rhymes that you see across ancient mythology and ancient pagan cultic ideas where they they

00:12:27 end up essentially inverting the story of scripture in a way where the serpents become

00:12:34 the hero instead of the serpent crusher and yet what we see in scripture with the giants

00:12:40 particularly is that they're a rich foreground or a soil where many typological pictures of

00:12:47 Christ's victory grow up. You know, for example, Goliath, when Goliath comes out and taunts the

00:12:53 Israelites, he's clothed in scales. It's told he's clothed in like a coat of mail. It's like

00:12:59 the Hebrew word quaskasim, something like that. And it's used to describe dragon or fish scales.

00:13:06 So here's this serpent-like giant figure who comes out. David calls him a dog, which is to say like

00:13:13 you're an uncircumcised, you're outside of the covenant people. And then what does David do? 0.86

00:13:19 He crushes his head with a stone, and then he cuts off his head with his own weapon. 0.73

00:13:24 And this is exactly what Christ, the true shepherd king does to the greater giant of

00:13:31 the serpent and of death itself. He disarms him. He puts him to open shame. And even through his 0.64

00:13:39 own weapon of death, Christ cuts the head off of, he crushes the head of the serpent. So all of

00:13:45 these giant stuff is actually not just some peripheral little oddity. It actually runs

00:13:52 right through the center in many ways of the redemptive typological story of the Old Testament.

00:13:59 So that's why I do think it's important that we don't just go, oh, that's kind of an oddity,

00:14:03 but we really pay attention. Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right. Giants are everywhere

00:14:07 in the old testament and i you know we've been preaching through the book of joshua we actually

00:14:12 just finished uh with my church covenant bible church and you know joshua being a type of christ

00:14:17 you know he i mean even leading after the death of moses who was also a type of christ so it's like

00:14:21 you have one christ type who dies you know and then there's this three-day period you know it

00:14:27 says in three days time you will cross over the jordan river the river signifies i think of john

00:14:31 Bunyan and Pilgrim's Progress, there's this, you know, symbol of death. And so Israel now led by 0.99

00:14:37 the second, you know, Christ type. So it's like Christ dies in Moses' death. Three days time, 0.90

00:14:43 they cross the Jordan, now under Joshua type of Christ, so this resurrection. But they're 0.96

00:14:48 resurrected not unto rest, but they're resurrected unto war. And you think of the church militant,

00:14:54 that yes, we've died with Christ. And yes, we've risen again with Christ, but we've been resurrected

00:15:00 in this life the church here on earth not to rest that comes later but we've been resurrected given

00:15:05 resurrected life for the purpose of war and then under joshua yeshua this deliverer a type of

00:15:11 christ um primarily what he's doing is he's cutting off the heads of snakes uh he's going

00:15:17 you know i mean he even takes his men of war his chiefs of war um and there's five particular kings

00:15:22 that unite against joshua and he you know as the battle's still raging he wants to you know kill 0.97

00:15:27 them properly, the death that they deserve, and make a, you know, a mockery of them, an example 1.00

00:15:32 of them. And so, you know, they're taken, captured, and they're put into a tomb, just like Christ. It's 0.99

00:15:38 a cave in a mountain, and they cover it with stones, just like, you know, Jesus laid in the

00:15:43 tomb. And then they go and run down all the rest of the men, the fighting men of war, under these

00:15:48 five kings, and they neutralize the threat. Then they come back, they move the stones, and they

00:15:52 take these kings out alive and lay them on their backs. And Joshua has his chiefs of war put their

00:15:59 feet on their necks as a sign of God's superiority, his supremacy over all the false gods of the

00:16:07 pagans in Canaan, but also as a promise to the people of Israel that they would take heart

00:16:11 and be encouraged that God would continue to do this. So Joshua is, he's snuffing out all the

00:16:17 kings, but even when Joshua says, I am going to go the way of all the earth, he's going to die.

00:16:21 and he gives the allotments of land as inheritances to each of the various tribes of Israel,

00:16:27 not all the enemies are gone, but there's a significant, the significant threat has been

00:16:32 neutralized. These kings have been cut off, but there's still inhabitants in each of these

00:16:37 various inheritances of land given to each of the respective tribes of Israel. So they're expected

00:16:43 to finish the job. And I think of that in the big picture of Christ and his life, his death and

00:16:48 resurrection, that he has neutralized the lethal portion of the threat, that the lethal weapon

00:16:56 that Satan possessed has now been stripped from him, that he has crushed the head of the serpent.

00:17:01 But that doesn't mean that there's not any more battle left to do. Now the church is going to go

00:17:06 and run him down. It's the strong man, right? If you're going to plunder the house, first bind the

00:17:11 strong man. And that's what Christ has done. But the house still needs plundering. And there are

00:17:15 various enemies along the way, but the big enemy has been taken out. And that's, I feel like that's

00:17:20 what you see with Abraham. You see it with Moses, with Joshua and David, who also is a type of

00:17:25 Christ. You see, they're all giant killers. And then Jesus comes and slays, you know, the true 0.98

00:17:30 ultimate giant. And then we, true Israel, the church are going to run them down. We we've 0.52

00:17:36 inherited the earth, the meek inherit the earth. But, but we have to have this mindset of we're 1.00

00:17:41 still at war. It's not time to rest yet. And so there's, so you're absolutely right. There's

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00:19:09 All right. So tell me a little bit more about Nimrod, because you said something, Ben, just a second ago that kind of threw me off, because it sounded like you said something that might be pre-flood.

00:19:25 But then you also said that, you know, maybe he's accredited with founding Nineveh and Babel and these other cities, which would be post-flood. So what were you saying there? Can you clarify that?

00:19:38 what what was the pre-flood thing that i said maybe i just got confused so nimrod was after

00:19:43 the flood i'm just clarifying okay and and mighty man of renown was he are we saying that he was a

00:19:49 first generation nephilim that like he is half fallen angel or are we saying that he's one of

00:19:55 the giants down the line so i think uh i think that maybe he is a first generation nephilim

00:20:01 because of the way that his genealogy is spelled out in Genesis, where it says that Cush fathered

00:20:09 Nimrod. It's this really interesting thing. It says Cush fathered Nimrod, who was a mighty hunter

00:20:13 before the Lord. And then when it goes into Cush's generations, Nimrod is not mentioned at all.

00:20:20 And so it does make me wonder if there was some kind of bastardization that was attributed to

00:20:24 Nimrod, because perhaps Cush offered up his wife. This is like completely speculative,

00:20:29 by the way. We have no way of knowing if this is true. But it would just be one way to try to

00:20:35 harmonize these two data points that seem to be at least a little bit finicky, where maybe

00:20:39 Cush offered up his wife to one of the fallen angels as an offering, and Nimrod was the product

00:20:47 of that offering. Or I have heard some Roman Catholics say that their idea is that the fallen

00:20:53 angels actually possessed human men. And that was how they achieved this union. I don't think I

00:21:00 really give that much credit, but it is what it is. It's an idea. And that was how the Nephilim

00:21:05 were produced with possessed men who were inhabited by fallen angels with normal women.

00:21:11 That could help explain the genealogical differences, but the essential truth is still

00:21:17 there and that's that nimrod was either a first generation nephilim or at the very least a later

00:21:23 generation giant if the story is to be believed which of course it is to be believed and then if

00:21:29 you also take that and harmonize it with the other myths that are clearly alluding to the same

00:21:33 character uh even even with uh with ninerta being the god of the hunt in mesopotamia i mean it's

00:21:41 quite literally the same, supposed to be the same guy, then you have to realize that he was thought

00:21:47 by every ancient person to be a giant demigod, essentially, who was able to even build mountains

00:21:54 in the Mesopotamian myth as a sort of insult to the god who sent the flood. And that, of course,

00:22:02 reminds us of the Tower of Babel. Yeah, we go into quite a bit of detail surrounding Hercules

00:22:08 and Inerta and Nimrod in an upcoming episode of Haunted Cosmos.

00:22:14 Which episode?

00:22:15 Episode six of season two is going to be devoted to the,

00:22:20 we just recorded it actually,

00:22:22 the giant lore of the Bible essentially,

00:22:26 the giant history of the scriptures.

00:22:28 And then the seventh episode of that season

00:22:31 will be branching out into really far flung,

00:22:34 giant folklore and mythology proper

00:22:37 that goes out uh across the world even into the modern day uh in that seventh episode so even in

00:22:44 that you know we don't have our notes in front of us here but if you compare hercules and inerta and

00:22:48 the task the 11 tasks and 12 tasks yeah you find so much overlap with this time period and the

00:22:56 hunting you know trope that there's at least a compelling like wow what if what if they're

00:23:02 actually talking about nimrod and just the same way that the flood myth many of them recapitulate

00:23:08 noah into a different mythological character and let's not forget that when nimrod was at large in

00:23:13 the world everyone was able to speak the same language and understand each other at least for 0.58

00:23:18 a portion of his life so it would make sense that after their language is confused they disperse and

00:23:23 the myth of nimrod becomes corrupted here and there exaggerated here and there he becomes a

00:23:29 hero instead of an anti-hero yeah it all it all makes perfect sense when you think about how human

00:23:33 works with how humans work with stories yeah totally i you think of hercules and it's like

00:23:37 okay his father is is a god you know like uh and and in the case of hercules both his father and

00:23:43 mother you know but but the point is that like he's a demigod he's he's kind of like half half

00:23:47 man half god you know that that he's you know he he's flesh and blood he actually is mortal you

00:23:53 know he can die but he has this divine god-like angelic strength and it's like well i mean there's

00:24:00 so many stories like that with so many cultures geographically spread way out and and very very

00:24:06 old um that that it makes you think maybe it's not just a coincidence i think part of the problem is

00:24:12 that you know we think of the ancients we think of people from very long ago as being that they 0.99

00:24:16 were all stupid we just think they were all stupid and that we're so smart um but these are people 0.99

00:24:21 who are keeping records sure that like i'm sure they had some concept of entertainment like we do 1.00

00:24:26 today um but but even when you when you look at things like beowulf that you know that was um you

00:24:34 know perhaps meant to be entertaining and meant to be fictional it doesn't it doesn't have the

00:24:39 detail but then you you look at other other pieces of old literature and it's like this this seems

00:24:45 like they're trying to account for history and not just a made-up story and and so all that makes

00:24:51 perfect sense to me um do you guys know anything about arba uh that he's the father of anak and

00:24:57 then anak coming down you know the anakim coming down his line that's where we get goliath did you

00:25:02 guys discuss any of that no i i read briefly some stuff about arba but i couldn't remember it

00:25:09 and then i got i got too i got too enthralled with the anak stuff yeah with anakim and nephilim and

00:25:16 right so okay well let's I'll talk about Arba in a second but real quick you guys have named

00:25:22 several tribes can you can you do your best it doesn't have to be exhaustive but all these

00:25:26 different tribes that that have giants are one question is are they all giants or these are

00:25:33 tribes that giants are among can you and how many are of these tribes are there I kind of want to

00:25:38 see if we can get into classifications of giants and even discuss from the scripture as much as

00:25:44 we can but then maybe a little bit of speculation about sizes of these giants and even skills like

00:25:50 nimrod was you know a hunter um so so talking about classifications or tribes of giants um sizes

00:25:57 of giants and then and then various skills or even i don't know supernatural abilities that

00:26:02 they may have possessed i like the idea that the giant clans because of their association with

00:26:10 false worship uh had a hobby of collecting people and that they like to collect human followers like

00:26:18 fully normal people followers as their sub you know basically like their servants and their

00:26:24 worshipers and tried to establish you know this common story we see through history that

00:26:29 the the king or the ruler is somehow the son of the gods or he's semi-divine he's you know like

00:26:36 Pharaoh, the sun god was my third cousin twice removed kind of thing. And so I like the idea,

00:26:43 or I think it's coherent with history and scripture, that some of these giant clans

00:26:48 probably had human followers as well mixed in with the clans and the tribes, that they were

00:26:53 interbreeding even, but that they also demanded worship of them. So you see like the Zuzim, 0.67

00:26:58 the Rephaim, the Anakim, the Emim. Zuzim means tall ones, something like that. So a lot of the

00:27:05 the giant kind of association is even long neck right yeah even though these are big people i

00:27:11 think like gergashite is another one uh hivite uh the gath the gathites of course the sons of gath

00:27:18 um but and then of course the canaanites and the philistines we know that the philistines had

00:27:23 they had giants as well even one in terms of size and classification there is a kind of thread that

00:27:29 i find that i don't think is that plausible i think is more exaggeration and and that's i believe

00:27:37 in the enoch tradition in the book of enoch i think there are examples of giants that are hundreds of

00:27:43 feet tall and i don't know that i necessarily would go that far you know yeah i've looked into

00:27:52 enoch a little bit and it depends on i forget the name of the measurement then you might know but he

00:27:56 says thousands of blank whatever this unit is right um that it depends on like what what is

00:28:03 that is that you know is it equivalent to a centimeter then then maybe but if not then

00:28:07 you know depending how you interpret the actual you know like the bible will say a cubit and a

00:28:11 cubit is about you know a foot and a half 18 inches but but enoch uses i can't remember the

00:28:17 word but a particular term that's a unit of measurement that that apparently i mean you

00:28:22 would have to assume it would be small but you would have to assume it would be really small

00:28:25 like a centimeter centimeter yeah yeah and then you get giants that are like 90 feet tall if it's

00:28:30 a foot you're talking like thousand some you know thousands of feet giants which that one's hard to

00:28:37 that one's hard to swallow there's the whole um this is a classic youtube or um memed kind of

00:28:44 ancient history as spooky and supernatural and weird where it's like the plateaus are tree stumps

00:28:51 yeah and in the there's no forest yeah there are no yeah like the mountains were so they're a hundred

00:28:57 foot tall there are a thousand foot tall giants and they chop down these plateau trees and look

00:29:02 at all so i think a lot of that is just um you know mythology people being speculative and and

00:29:09 trying to get clicks you know what though to your point there is there is an important scriptural

00:29:15 example of a unit of measure uh changing dramatically that meant that changes the story

00:29:20 yeah it completely changes the story so and it's goliath it says and i believe the esv uses the

00:29:26 septuagint where it says that he was four cubits right and a hand and a span yeah or spam right

00:29:34 like six foot nine yeah which would be six foot nine no the the the septuagint was translated

00:29:41 in alexandria and alexandria used a different unit of measure for or they used an egyptian

00:29:48 cubit as opposed to a hebrew cubit which was longer per cubit so it was actually if you go

00:29:54 by the hebrew cubit goliath would have been nine feet nine inches more like ten right because the

00:30:00 the the oldest hebrew text that we have corresponding to that passage in the old

00:30:05 testament which is which is later than the septuagint by the way uh says that he was six

00:30:10 cubits and a span which would be nine feet nine inches so the idea is that the hebrew scholar

00:30:15 who was putting it back into Hebrew is noticing the fact that the Alexandrians used a different

00:30:21 measure for Cuban. And so he should try to be consistent to do the right thing is putting it

00:30:27 back into the Hebrew measurement so that his audience would understand what the Egyptians

00:30:31 wanted to convey. And this is important because if you take the six foot nine ish height,

00:30:37 it's difficult to see what was so scary about Goliath, given that King Saul was likely six

00:30:42 foot six or so he was six and a half he was like a foot a head taller than everybody in that day

00:30:47 so why would goliath at six foot six i mean we have people taller than i've known people taller

00:30:53 than that we have people in our church taller than that so you know i don't think that they

00:30:58 could fight effectively with a spear that weighed 50 pounds right and with armor that weighed 160

00:31:02 two to three diameter you know kind of right well this is one verse that i think is helpful uh to

00:31:08 to that end it's deuteronomy chapter one verse 28 it says where can we go up our brethren have

00:31:13 made our hearts melt saying the people are bigger and taller than we the cities are large and

00:31:18 fortified to heaven and besides so that is in addition to what's already been stated people

00:31:23 are bigger and taller than we and besides we saw the sons of the enakim there so so the point is

00:31:30 that that it's not oh there are giants and giants are guys who are you know four five six inches

00:31:36 taller than we are. Right. Because I mean, there's, there's an argument to be made that

00:31:40 at this time, you know, that people in general were a little bit shorter than maybe the average

00:31:46 man today. So if the average man today is whatever it is, five, nine, five, 10, you know, or even

00:31:51 let's say six feet, then maybe, you know, it was like five, six, five, seven, you know? And so,

00:31:55 okay. So, you know, the, the average guy in Israel is like five, seven. And, you know,

00:32:00 if somebody is, you know, six feet tall, you know, that's well, okay. Well that could maybe

00:32:04 account for part of that verse. And the reason why I like this verse, again, Deuteronomy 128,

00:32:09 it made our hearts melt saying the people are bigger and taller than we. So if there's, you

00:32:14 know, if all the people are only five inches taller, but it's all of them, that is still

00:32:17 intimidating because it's like, you know, pound for pound, man for man, you know, these guys are

00:32:22 bigger and stronger than us. But that's not the only thing that's said is the people are bigger

00:32:26 and taller than we, the cities are large and fortified to heaven. And besides all this,

00:32:30 we saw the sons of the anarchy there and that's what actually terrifies them and that's where you

00:32:36 get the language of the anarchy is that's where you get the language of like we were like grasshoppers

00:32:41 um you know and they said we saw ourselves we we viewed ourselves as though we were grasshoppers

00:32:47 to them um but we were so also in their sight they saw us as grasshoppers so it's not just us

00:32:53 being cowardly and it's like you know we know that the 10 spies right the 12 minus joshua and

00:32:58 Caleb, they brought a bad report, but the Bible doesn't say, as you guys mentioned earlier,

00:33:02 that they brought a deceitful report. They brought a bad report. If I go to the doctor and he says,

00:33:06 you've got cancer and it's true, that's a bad report, but that doesn't mean he's lying. I may

00:33:12 not like it, but you know, so they give a bad report. But there's nothing in the biblical text

00:33:18 that requires us to interpret that as though it's deceitful. And it's not just they're bigger and

00:33:23 taller, like let's say on average, they're five, six inches taller. But even beyond that,

00:33:29 there are giants among them. And the Anakim, as you look into them and coming from, that's where 1.00

00:33:34 Goliath came from, from Gath, goes all the way back to Anak. And Anak, this is what I was getting 1.00

00:33:39 at with Arba, his father says the most renowned among the Anakim wasn't actually Anak, but his

00:33:45 father who was Arba. And it makes me think, the language seems similar. It says he was the most

00:33:50 renowned among them. It uses that renowned word. It makes me think of, again, back to Nimrod,

00:33:55 a man of renown. It seems as though some of these guys, not that a giant six generations down

00:34:01 couldn't be famous for such and such or exceedingly large, but it does seem like

00:34:07 that the original first generation Nephilim that would come from a watcher, a fallen angel,

00:34:15 and one of the daughters of Cain, or later on, post-flood, I think it would be a watcher,

00:34:20 fallen angel and then a daughter of Canaan, perhaps. But those first generation Nephilim 0.96

00:34:25 half watcher, you know, half angel, half man, that these are the guys that like Nimrod or Arba,

00:34:32 and these are the most renowned guys who then they give birth to various tribes of giants.

00:34:38 In the case of Arba, the Anakim, and the Anakim goes all the way down. So I think this probably

00:34:43 happened shortly after the flood because Canaan, well, you know, his father was wicked. And then, 0.96

00:34:50 you know, Noah curses his grandson, his father's son, Canaan. And it's the same all over again.

00:34:55 You've got Adam and Eve and you got Seth and then, but then you have Cain and he goes off and he does

00:35:00 his thing in rebellion to God. Well, now you've got Canaan, he's doing his thing. And so it seems

00:35:04 like the watchers saw that whichever ones were left that were able to survive the flood because

00:35:09 the flood only wipes out that which has breath in its lungs and so the watchers don't fall into it

00:35:14 so i think the watchers that that actually came into the daughters of men were locked in gloomy

00:35:18 dungeons but it doesn't say that all the fallen angels actually committed that act and so there

00:35:22 could be another batch of angels not falling from heaven already fallen but now committing this act

00:35:27 again who have not been locked in gloomy dungeons taking the daughters of men procreating with them

00:35:32 and now doing it with you know who's going to be susceptible to that well not cain's daughters

00:35:37 they've been wiped out but canaan's daughters post-flood and there there's where you get a

00:35:42 nimrod type figure as a first generation half-fallen angel or an arba figure and then

00:35:47 coming down off of their lines and at least in the case of arba that's where you get the anakim

00:35:51 and then way down all the way to david that's where you get 10 foot giants like goliath who

00:35:57 is a son of the anakim son of gath down from anakim uh but but what would what would arba's

00:36:03 son Anak have looked like if Goliath multiple generations down is nine foot nine what what

00:36:10 going working back up now from not the days of David but up back to like the days of Abraham

00:36:16 or Moses or Joshua um these could when the bible says they look like cedar they were like cedar

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00:38:14 So we can see a pretty direct correlation to time from the flood to size of giant when we compare Goliath size, whichever interpretation you take, to Aug's size, which presumably is the size of his bed, which is 14 feet long and six feet wide.

00:38:32 And it's all for him. And the one of the reasons that I think that that's actually a good measure for Aug's actual size was because another interpretation for bed or another translation for bed could be sarcophagus or coffin.

00:38:47 Yeah. So it very well could be talking about the coffin that Aug was laid in.

00:38:51 And you wouldn't need to make a coffin any bigger than the person that's being laid in it.

00:38:55 Apart from that, some people say that the large bed is actually an allusion to a Babylonian sex magic ritual.

00:39:01 I don't think that that plays out at all because it says that Og was the last remnant of the Rephaim that was east of the Jordan River.

00:39:10 So we know that he had to be huge so we can reliably then say, OK, well, then the bit about his bed being 14 feet long and six feet wide is probably giving us a good indication of actually how big it is.

00:39:23 So, in the generations between Og, who is the last of the Rephaim, east of the Jordan, all the way down to Goliath, we have a clear reduction in size from something like 25 feet down to 10 feet.

00:39:38 That's a pretty big reduction in size. 0.68

00:39:40 And where did we get the 25?

00:39:41 I see we were going Og to Goliath, 14 to 10.

00:39:45 14 feet, not 14 cubits.

00:39:47 My fault.

00:39:48 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:48 Okay, gotcha, gotcha.

00:39:49 But you're right.

00:39:51 and his bed if it's not a coffin if it is an actual bed it's also significant not just its

00:39:56 measurements but that it's made of iron because that's another thing that we don't think of

00:40:00 um you know it's like if you've got a 12 foot dude um and and if a six foot guy is 200 pounds

00:40:06 the 12 foot guy is not going to be 400 pounds that's not the way math works right right it's

00:40:11 going to be exponentially um because otherwise he'd just be a beanpole and a gust of wind would

00:40:17 knock them over but but if everything proportionally is is bigger than than a guy you know if a six

00:40:22 foot guy is 200 pounds then a 12 foot guy with the same proportions um i don't even know the

00:40:28 math on that but what 800 or or a thousand or 1200 pounds so much it's but i mean you can even

00:40:34 look at like silverback gorillas and how strong and powerful and they're not even super tall

00:40:40 relative to people right but there's also some proportional things we don't know when we look 0.96

00:40:45 at these warlike people and look at the weapons goliath was 150 pounds of armor and you know this

00:40:51 50 pound spear um i also think it's important to note that you know the the whole idea of them

00:40:58 seeing the nephilim this is this is straight out of numbers 13 they say we there we saw the nephilim

00:41:04 yeah and we seem to ourselves like grasshoppers that's what they say we saw the nephilim so

00:41:10 post-flood you have to say they were there they were that how how did they get there you have to

00:41:16 account for this and the giant angle as well i was going to note as well i think it's if someone's

00:41:22 interested in um someone who i think gets the chronological snobbery thing and gets the um

00:41:31 the reality of how these myths actually support the biblical text from pagan cultures if you read

00:41:37 just endy wilson's ashtown burials series it's a fictional series but in it he he basically sets

00:41:44 all of these characters who are transmortals they've like become immortal they can't die

00:41:50 and he brings in all these characters from ancient mythology into the modern story

00:41:54 and it's really fascinating the way that he does it and you know like gilgamesh is there and there's

00:42:00 all these you know which by the way a lot of people think that gilgamesh was nimrod missionary

00:42:05 missionary david livingston thought that gilgamesh was nimrod and and what i love about the series is

00:42:10 he says like if you were to bind one of these transmortal giant type creatures in a block of

00:42:16 stone they can't die so they're in there that within um a decade people would be um within a

00:42:24 decade people would be worshiping there would be an altar within a century there would be a temple

00:42:28 built around it within like he, the, the draw of these demonic, um, cults that build up around

00:42:35 these things. They're not just people who were big. They, there is always a clear overtone of

00:42:43 blood sacrifice, um, human eating, horrible demonic worship and practices, the law of Canaan, 0.94

00:42:49 the law of Canaan. Yeah. It's built like you go and you see the, the, the things that were 0.95

00:42:54 happening in the land, when God sent them in to wipe the inhabitants out, they are all associated

00:43:00 in ancient mythology and folklore with giants. And this actually opens the door to two different

00:43:05 avenues that you can go down. The first, going back to Aug's bed, being made of iron,

00:43:11 gets into the problem of people of that long ago, having the know-how and the skill to actually

00:43:19 rot a bed of iron. This is very difficult even today to do something that big out of just pure

00:43:26 cast iron is very, very difficult. And so it does make you think like, well, was there certain

00:43:31 skills that were passed down? And if we go back to the Enochian tradition, we remember that the

00:43:36 watchers gave certain skills. It was almost like they were brands for the people where one of them

00:43:41 taught them metallurgy. One of them taught them weaponry. The other one was a cosmo or cosmetology

00:43:46 and then cosmology and astrology. And then you also take all that. And then what Brian just said,

00:43:52 where it inevitably goes back to worship wherever you see it. And you look again at that thing that

00:43:58 we briefly mentioned earlier, the Gilgal Raphaim, the wheel of giants. And one of the things that's

00:44:03 really crucial to understand about that is that the way it's laid out lines up perfectly with the

00:44:09 solstice and equinox dates in the year. We go and we know most likely, well, actually, we do know

00:44:16 that it was there when Og was king of Bashan, so he would have known about this monument. And any

00:44:21 king in the old days was the Pontifex Maximus, essentially, Israel being the exception, where

00:44:26 there's a high priest and a king. And so Og was leading worship at this Gilgal Rephaim. That's

00:44:33 what people agree on. They say, like, it was here. It's clearly a place of worship, and it may be a

00:44:38 tomb for Og since he was the last of the Rephaim, so they felt like it was a good honor to bestow 0.98

00:44:44 upon this last remnant. Then we go back to Acts 7, and we remember that in Stephen's sermon, 0.84

00:44:51 he says that the Israelites in those days took up the star of Rephin, the star of their god Molech. 0.69

00:44:58 Where would they learn how to do that? From the Canaanites, who were full of giants. Where would 0.98

00:45:05 the giants learn how to do that from their fathers who was the demon molek himself the fallen angel

00:45:11 molek or the fallen star refen himself and so it's not a coincidence that all of these concentric

00:45:17 circle spiral type megalithic structures are always supposed to be ancient places of worship

00:45:24 and almost without exception they line up precisely with special dates on the equinox

00:45:31 and the solstices and then astrological formations in, in, in the heavens. And then also let's take

00:45:38 it a step further. If you go on Google earth and you find this Gilgal Rephaim place in the Gilead

00:45:43 and Golan Heights, and then you zoom out slightly and look just a little bit to the north, there

00:45:49 looks to be like a clearly man-made serpent mound. It's very akin to the serpent mound in Ohio,

00:45:55 And it's all facing towards Mount Hermon. And so we have all of these pieces coming together and it's a really loose connection because not many people think about this anymore. But you have giants, you have serpents, you have worship of the host of heaven, the stars, the star Refn and Molech.

00:46:12 And then you also have that kind of archetype of worship spreading from the Middle East, from Mount Hermon, through all the entire world.

00:46:24 And so you have places like, what's the thing in England?

00:46:27 I can't remember the name.

00:46:28 Stonehenge?

00:46:28 Stonehenge.

00:46:29 Places like Stonehenge.

00:46:30 You have the Serpent Mount in Ohio.

00:46:32 You have the Rings in Africa. 1.00

00:46:34 You have the Nazca Lines in South America. 1.00

00:46:37 Gobekli-Tapley. 0.96

00:46:38 Gobekli-Tapley.

00:46:39 Yeah, and the sister sites around the same region.

00:46:42 And then you start to ask the question, some of these ancient megalithic structures are really big.

00:46:48 And this ties in again with that making Aug's bed out of iron.

00:46:52 How were they able to move these stones?

00:46:54 Near Gobekli Tepe, I'm sorry, in Peru, not Gobekli Tepe, near Tiwanakin by Lake Titicaca,

00:47:02 there is a megalithic stone that's 100 tons heavy and it's lifted up onto two pillars and

00:47:10 everyone agrees that they would have had to quarry that stone 250 miles 250 miles away yeah how and

00:47:18 it's by the way the quarry is at low elevation close to sea level and this city is at 12 000

00:47:24 12 000 feet above sea level can you imagine getting today with everything that we have we

00:47:30 couldn't a 100 ton stone no that's the thing we couldn't do it we literally don't have the means

00:47:35 to do that it's not a money issue it's a technology issue we can't do that we would have to invent

00:47:40 custom-made technological innovations to attempt it they don't currently exist and so the myth is

00:47:46 that the the gods that built it had a magic trumpet and when they blew the trumpet the

00:47:50 sound waves were able to carry the stone up we're now getting into some of the future

00:47:54 stuff with like sacred geometry and sacred sound yeah right and again we're not saying that all of

00:48:01 these things are necessarily real or true we don't we don't know but when you start to go down this

00:48:07 thread of start with ancient cultic worship and its practices and go outward in architecture and

00:48:14 all these different things you find a shocking level of overlap that that actually interestingly

00:48:20 comes back to giant yeah type of lore it's and serpent imagery and serpent imagery so it's like

00:48:28 almost as if the when the old testament describes ancient demonic cultic worship as serpent like

00:48:34 and the abode of the giants and dragons and things like that that it's telling the truth

00:48:38 right it's almost like the bible is true it's almost like it's true and the world is not just

00:48:44 stuff so true yeah okay so um man that's fascinating all that um so what what happened

00:48:53 to the giants because it seems like joshua kicked a lot of their butts it seems like moses was

00:48:57 fighting them abraham arguably i think was fighting giants and then moses was fighting a lot of them

00:49:02 and then joshua fought a ton of them you know so it's like the ones during the days of noah

00:49:08 god took them out in the flood but then you've got you know abraham moses joshua all taking out

00:49:14 giants. But then we know that they still didn't completely get taken out. Let me give one verse

00:49:19 with this real quick, because I think it's helpful. This is, I believe it's actually in Joshua.

00:49:25 Joshua 14. I think it's Joshua chapter 11, verse 21 and 22. It says,

00:49:39 And at that time came Joshua and cut off the Anakims from the mountains, from Hebron, from Deber, from Anab, and from all the mountains of Judah, and from all the mountains of Israel. 0.96

00:49:51 Joshua destroyed them utterly with their cities. 0.97

00:49:54 There was none of the Anakims left in the land of the children of Israel only, so not in that land of the children of Israel, only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod there remained. 1.00

00:50:06 So Joshua took the whole land according to all that the Lord had said unto Moses, 0.82

00:50:10 and Joshua gave it for inheritance unto Israel according to their divisions by their tribes.

00:50:16 And so even with Joshua, it seems like he took out a bulk.

00:50:20 And that works with that typological preaching, you know, Christological preaching that, you know,

00:50:25 but even then it's not quite done.

00:50:27 So it's like Joshua, you know, he's cutting the head off the snake.

00:50:29 He's, you know, he's getting them to put their feet on the necks of the kings.

00:50:33 And he's rendering the death blow, but there's still the final finishing touches of the war that have to be done.

00:50:43 And it seems like Joshua takes out, he deals a great blow.

00:50:47 But we know that giants continue because we've got Goliath with David, but it seems like now they're tapering off.

00:50:53 So my question is, even with David, it seems like he's dotting the I's and crossing the T's that Joshua had already done.

00:51:03 But did any giants escape him? Are there any stories of giants in other places besides

00:51:11 the Middle East? Did giants make it to Norway or Scotland or any of these things? Because

00:51:18 a lot of what Israel does is they put the enemies of God to death at the edge of the sword, but they 0.95

00:51:24 also drive the inhabitants out of the land. In that case, driving them out of the land, 0.89

00:51:29 they're not dead they go somewhere yeah what do you guys think i think that's absolutely

00:51:35 accurate that they're being driven out they're being killed and driven out and that they do go

00:51:41 other places um i'll give a thematic answer and then i think ben probably has some some examples

00:51:47 and things as well to add to it but thematically i think it's important to recognize that one of the

00:51:52 one of the story arcs that we have gotten completely wrong in the last 200 years of

00:51:58 Christianity is the story arc that wickedness flourishes and the righteous are always driven

00:52:05 back. And if you just read Psalm 37, you see this temptation enter the thinking of the psalmist 0.96

00:52:13 where he says, you know, look at the wicked. They're like a great green laurel tree.

00:52:17 They're spreading out. And look, Lord, the righteous seem to be, you know, perishing.

00:52:22 The righteous seem to be suffering. And yet the psalmist does not give into that temptation.

00:52:26 And he affirms again, yet, Lord, you're going to cast them down.

00:52:30 Their glory will be as nothing.

00:52:32 I will look for them and not even be able to find that great, spreading, green, seemingly powerful, wicked person anymore. 0.75

00:52:39 They will be driven out.

00:52:40 So I think two things we need to remember in this kind of storyline.

00:52:44 First, we need to remember that evil is cannibalistic.

00:52:49 Evil is cannibalistic. 0.82

00:52:50 Those who hate wisdom love death.

00:52:52 And so everywhere you see, you know, cultures built around demonic death cults, they are always devouring themselves over time.

00:53:01 This is a warning to modern America that all of our false worship is self-devouring and it will ultimately end in the blood of its worshipers. 0.53

00:53:11 And the second thing is that the meek will inherit the earth, that as the people of God go out in obedience and they obey the Lord and put one foot in front of the other and engage in the spiritual war that they're told to engage in, that the Lord delights to drive out our enemies before us.

00:53:28 So specifically, I do think that is what happens with the giants. 0.86

00:53:32 The cultures they build up are absolute death cultures and they devour themselves.

00:53:36 And then I also think that as the righteous go into the land in obedience and don't syncretize like they do later, that you see them driven out and go to other places. 0.79

00:53:47 I'm sure Ben has other specific thoughts on that as well.

00:53:49 Yeah, no, I mean, I think that there's nothing in the Bible that disallows the possibility of multiple giants, maybe hundreds or, you know, legions of giants being alive at the time of Nimrod that also dispersed across the earth when the Tower of Babel was judged by God.

00:54:07 And the reason that I err towards that opinion, that did actually happen, is because we see other massive pieces of weaponry found in places like Wales, in islands like Crete.

00:54:23 Even in Russia, there's the legend of a giant warrior who fought against the king and was finally subdued by a woman.

00:54:32 Charlemagne, even in Charlemagne's reign in the Carolingian time, there was a legend that Charlemagne sent his greatest warrior to fight against a giant in some region of France.

00:54:45 And the warrior was able to prevail and kill the giant.

00:54:49 There was Harry Potter.

00:54:51 Harry Potter.

00:54:51 The giants live in England.

00:54:53 Sorry, go ahead.

00:54:54 There's the trolls in Tolkien.

00:54:57 Now, there's the story of also Charlemagne's sons riding a giant horse as a spoil of war

00:55:05 that was able to carry four of them or three of them at one time.

00:55:08 And then there's also bones, of course, that have been found.

00:55:11 And the Smithsonian quickly stole them away and hid them in their chambers.

00:55:15 Legend says that the Smithsonian has suppressed huge amounts of evidence of ancient giants.

00:55:22 And I mean, listen, I think we can all agree that institutions, particularly ones in the bed with the powerful government establishment of the world, would never do that to us.

00:55:32 They would never suppress information. 0.61

00:55:35 The lizard people would never suppress information. 0.96

00:55:38 And aren't there also like bones have been found?

00:55:41 So you've named a lot of places, but real quick, talk about North America.

00:55:45 Yeah.

00:55:46 So the best example in North America, there's a few.

00:55:50 One was the giant mummy that was found in California that was 18 feet tall, and they weren't able to disprove it.

00:55:57 Another is the Serpent Mound in Ohio is surrounded by other, they say they're Native American burial grounds.

00:56:05 But every time they look into one, they see giant bones.

00:56:09 And then most of the time, this is in like Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio area.

00:56:14 Every time they actually ask the Indians of the of the region, like the Pawnees, the Shawnees, they always say like, oh, no, yeah, we found those mounds like those are not we, you know, we piled some on top of it, but we actually found them as mounds.

00:56:29 And so there's been, I mean, dozens of cases of people claiming to have excavated giant bones, even up to 33 feet tall.

00:56:37 And what modernists want to do, what modernists love to do is to go, oh, those superstitious folkloric traditions, those superstitious ancient cultures. 0.99

00:56:48 Like, man, isn't it funny how dumb they are? 0.98

00:56:51 They thought the giant, like that there were giants. 0.99

00:56:53 Like, wow, they must have just thought that all up and to scare the kids, keep the kids close to the campfire at night so they didn't run off into the woods, you know, moral tales and that kind of thing.

00:57:03 And those same people will kill a baby and not think that there's anything religious about it.

00:57:10 Right. 0.96

00:57:11 Well, they won't even think it's a baby.

00:57:13 They won't even think it's a baby. 1.00

00:57:14 Those people don't know the difference between a man or a woman.

00:57:17 It's all religion. 0.96

00:57:19 We just have competing religions. 0.99

00:57:20 Right. 0.62

00:57:21 The spark of religion lies in every man. 0.98

00:57:24 Bob Inc. even says in his Prolegomena that every soul is inherently Christian until it's corrupted by their own sin, which I think is fascinating. 0.99

00:57:32 It's a bold statement. 0.94

00:57:33 but that is a bold statement i don't particularly like it but i do like i don't like it either but

00:57:40 i read it and i was like hey bobby my inner calvinist just twitch right that's what yeah

00:57:45 exactly as a calvinist i don't exactly like it unless we're using the word christian loosely

00:57:50 which i am a fan of doing unlike my baptist brothers there's only one christian thing

00:57:56 it's a regenerate individual soul you know what he means i i did i'll provide some context for my

00:58:03 brother herman bobbing bobbing is right yeah you got it you got to defend him because if that's

00:58:07 all you say then i i need to disagree with him what he means is that everyone is born religious

00:58:13 and specifically everyone is born with eyes in their head that are capable of looking at the

00:58:17 heavens and the earth seeing the glory of god everyone so in that sense he's saying every soul

00:58:23 is is inherently christian because everyone knows god it's just that some of them suppress it in

00:58:28 unrighteousness okay it's romans one it's romans yeah yeah it's romans one yeah so he said it i was

00:58:33 like whoa yeah no but that that is good that's important for people to realize that you know

00:58:37 it's not um ignorance doesn't stem from rebellion but rebellion stems from ignorance and so um or

00:58:44 i'm sorry um rebellion does not stem from ignorance it's not that people are born intellectually

00:58:48 ignorant of the things of god and therefore they're like well i don't know god he hasn't

00:58:52 proven himself, I have to rebel. So rebellion doesn't come from ignorance, but rather people 0.59

00:58:57 are first morally rebellious and therefore they actually make themselves progressively more 0.89

00:59:03 ignorant. Romans 1, both things can be simultaneously true. In Romans 1, you see that

00:59:10 people are born not regenerate, but they are born able to see true things about God. And they

00:59:18 progressively see less and less and less because in in their rebellion they they're they're they

00:59:23 gouge out their eyes they lie and suppress the truth and deeds of unrighteousness so um so the

00:59:28 idea if that's what he's saying then i i completely agree that i i think a child absolutely a young

00:59:33 child um on average is is going to have an easier time uh believing basic things that would align

00:59:41 with the the christian worldview the world as god made it uh than a guy who's gone through k through

00:59:47 12 you know in the public school system hey to bring it full circle on our beloved reform

00:59:52 soteriology even the child desperately needs the grace of god to have believing faith uh the soul

00:59:59 is not born innocent no human is born innocent we're born guilty before god so yeah i think that

01:00:05 they'd have an easier time consenting to the idea that god made the heavens and the earth uh but

01:00:11 And Bobbink would, of course, agree.

01:00:12 You need the grace of God to be saved.

01:00:14 Yep.

01:00:14 Amen.

01:00:15 So where, this is the final thing, is, okay, so you talked about it, Ben and Brian, giants

01:00:22 dispersing.

01:00:23 And it could have been dispersing because Joshua scared them off.

01:00:26 We know that happened.

01:00:27 And they went to various places. 0.95

01:00:29 And that's just one tribe of giants, the Anakim, that they went to Gaza and Gath. 0.97

01:00:34 And that's where you eventually get, you know, Goliath. 0.98

01:00:37 And then, you know, David, same thing.

01:00:39 He kills Goliath and his brothers, and it seems like some other giants, but it doesn't

01:00:43 necessarily mean that he killed them all.

01:00:44 So Joshua could have scared giants away, right? 0.96

01:00:47 Drive them out.

01:00:48 David, drive them out. 0.98

01:00:50 But also like what you said, not just being driven out, but Nimrod, before you even get 0.90

01:00:53 to Joshua and before you get to when the whole world had one language before Babel, Nimrod

01:01:00 and other giants could have gone to various places all over the world.

01:01:03 And so it's entirely possible, whether it's escaping Joshua or escaping David or pre-Joshua and pre-David, pre-Babel even, just traveling and expeditions, that giants could have been everywhere over the world.

01:01:17 So here's the question.

01:01:19 Did we get them all?

01:01:22 Could giants be alive somewhere today?

01:01:25 Is that possible?

01:01:27 And if so, how have we not found them?

01:01:31 It is possible.

01:01:33 it is possible that giants are still out there today. I think it's also possible that like the

01:01:38 blood of Numenor, as it descended through the generations and mingled with lesser men, 0.93

01:01:43 that it was spent in its power and produced less and less of its potency. You know, you see that 0.95

01:01:49 in, I'm obviously citing Tolkien here, but I think it's a good example where the Numenoreans 0.98

01:01:54 intermingled with lesser men. And so their lifespans, instead of Aragorn, who lives almost,

01:01:59 you know what 200 years old 212 212 you have uh you know men now going dwindling in their stature

01:02:05 and in their their renown i think some of that could have happened um as the as giants went out

01:02:11 but but absolutely i think that there is a chance we have some interesting folklore yeah and modern

01:02:17 folklore even of giants still yeah in in 2001 when or i'm sorry 2002 when the u.s was just

01:02:27 beginning its war in Iraq, there was a huge presence in the city of Kandahar. And one of the

01:02:33 stories is that there was a patrol team sent out into the mountains surrounding Kandahar to see if

01:02:38 they could scout anything, any good positions or something. And they never came back. And they

01:02:43 went radio silent for too long. And so they sent a special forces unit to try and find this patrol

01:02:49 of men. And the special forces unit spent days hiking through the mountains of Kandahar. And

01:02:54 And finally, in front of this cave, the mouth of this big cave, they saw a lot of the gear from the from these patrol officers laying around on the rocks.

01:03:04 And as they were kind of coming to terms with what they were seeing, as the story goes, a spear the size of Goliaths, maybe bigger, shot out of the cave and impaled one of the men and went completely through him, completely through his Kevlar vest and everything in one easy stroke and out stepped this 15 foot tall, red haired, white skinned Kandahar giant with six fingers and six toes.

01:03:32 And it took 30 seconds of 15 men with fully automatic weapons firing nonstop to bring him down.

01:03:41 30 seconds. That's a really hold your breath for 30 seconds. It's a long time.

01:03:46 And so they radioed to their local headquarters and they asked him to send a Chinook.

01:03:52 The Chinook came, grabbed this giant, carried him away.

01:03:56 The men never saw it again. And they had to sign nondisclosure agreements to agree that they'd never say anything. 0.97

01:04:01 But that was after they had already told the legend back when they got back to headquarters.

01:04:06 And so it became an open and openly known lie is what they called it among the troops that were in Kandahar at that time that actually, yeah, this this unit of special forces officers found a giant and killed it.

01:04:21 And but they have to pretend like they didn't. But the government denied that, Ben.

01:04:26 the government did deny surprisingly snopes put in for a freedom freedom of information act and

01:04:32 the government said oh we didn't take any giants out of canada we would tell you this is an example

01:04:38 of one of these so this is funny i think there's an important point here to be made about the

01:04:42 reliability of information because you'll often find um that sometimes people privilege ancient

01:04:50 folklore as more likely to be true like well i read this folkloric account from you know an

01:04:55 Eastern European village from the 1300s or something.

01:05:00 And then you hear stories like this.

01:05:02 They're like, ah, but that's just made up.

01:05:03 It's internet stuff.

01:05:04 It's Reddit.

01:05:05 It's whatever.

01:05:05 But those are just our repositories of folklore today.

01:05:11 So do we know whether this story is made up out of whole cloth?

01:05:15 Maybe some amalgamation of other stories?

01:05:17 Or is it just entirely true?

01:05:19 We can't know.

01:05:20 We just don't know.

01:05:21 We're not in a position to.

01:05:23 But these kind of stories continue today.

01:05:25 And there are people who claim to continue to have interactions with, I think, even giants today.

01:05:31 So, listener, you be the judge at the end of the day.

01:05:35 What do you think?

01:05:36 If you're a giant, let us know in the comments.

01:05:38 And you're listening.

01:05:39 Send us a photo with proof of hype.

01:05:41 Now, I actually saw a video recently that was insane.

01:05:45 I don't know.

01:05:46 It seemed like it'd be hard to fake, but I don't know anything about video.

01:05:49 And it was these guys, they were, like, lensing while they were hunting.

01:05:53 and they looked down on this property line there was a river separating the two properties

01:05:57 and in between the trees and everything was this i mean giant human looking thing yeah like

01:06:04 slumped over long arms massive head and uh and the guys on the video were like what was that and

01:06:12 then it just kind of disappeared almost like bigfoot like shattered disappearance we have

01:06:16 some bigfoot episodes coming up in haunted cosmos season two as well i think actually episode three

01:06:21 and four right episodes three and three and four we just released episode two as we're filming

01:06:25 today so like two weeks from today as we're filming uh the first one will come out but you

01:06:30 see interesting things even with like the bigfoot lore um expedition bigfoot is a show that went out

01:06:37 and investigated and they got a thermal image of a very strange bipedal looking thing that when

01:06:43 they replicated the exact camera location with a six foot tall man the thing was far larger did not

01:06:49 look like a bear which is the only close thing anatomically in the north american woods that

01:06:53 it could have been and so it's just like you're left with this either they hoaxed that for

01:06:58 television it's a bear and we just don't get how it could be a bear or there was some weird bipedal

01:07:04 eight nine foot tall thing walking through the north american woods on an evening that they

01:07:08 happen to capture and and the thing that moderns are uncomfortable with but that is true is that

01:07:13 all of those three options are possible yeah almost almost equally possible we can't it's

01:07:19 difficult to evaluate right so a lot of this stuff you're going to end up coming back to eyewitness

01:07:24 testimony and when you factor in the spiritual element of some of this and the trickster-y

01:07:30 spiritual element you could also end up with where you're not actually just dealing with

01:07:35 biological creatures maybe but that that there's deception happening is these are some themes we

01:07:40 often discuss in haunted cosmos that that the spiritual world loves to deceive as well and we

01:07:46 are not fully aware of its total arsenal of all of the things that it has at its disposal to deceive

01:07:53 maybe it's able to trick a thermal camera maybe it's able to trick human eyes right

01:08:01 paul warns against an angel of light appearing and preaching another gospel appearing as an angel of

01:08:07 light. So we have to be aware of deception and keep our eyes fixed on the main things and not

01:08:13 fall in any of the ditches of materialism or also wild speculation and total craziness,

01:08:19 which some Christians can fall into as well. Keep our eye on the prize, though, that at the end of

01:08:25 the day, when you look at the whole field of evidence, giants, demons, Bigfoot, all this stuff,

01:08:31 again and again, it comes back to confirm the veracity of the Christian witness in scripture

01:08:36 of the true history of the world right right right and i think that's the temptation of

01:08:43 anyone who hates god anyone who ultimately wants to be god himself like our government like

01:08:49 the smithsonian or if if there was something true um today found whether it be bones or a living

01:08:57 giant or whatever it might be um absolutely i could see how there would be a vested interest

01:09:02 an incentive in those who would like to be god to cover it up because all it would do is confirm

01:09:08 the scripture it would immediately take credibility away from materialism and darwinism and and all

01:09:16 the science it would discredit it would it would humiliate and embarrass um so many leading

01:09:23 authorities today and all of a sudden it would be us it would be the christians that people would

01:09:29 be running to with all their questions because they'd be like oh these guys were right the whole

01:09:33 time and these guys were lying you know and and so it there would be it when people think well

01:09:40 there's no way that that a giant could exist or there's no way that this could exist or that

01:09:45 could exist or that there's you know 18 foot tall bones or or whatever that's not possible because

01:09:50 there's no way that that um that that could be hidden or or would be hidden there's no incentive

01:09:56 People don't understand the allure of power. They don't understand how much incentive, there's more incentive to hiding giant bones than there would be for robbing someone of a billion dollars because the giant bones keeping, if that gets exposed, you're talking about a shift of power and credibility and all these kinds of things that's worth trillions and trillions of dollars over time.

01:10:22 And so, yeah, there's reputations are on the line and it's entirely possible.

01:10:28 And we're not saying anything for certain, but I think what we are saying is that the Bible is real and that God's word is true and that we shouldn't just think in a chasm, in one particular vein, like moderns, and think that there's no possible way that any of these other things could ever be true.

01:10:47 We want to be well-rounded.

01:10:50 We want to look at the evidence, and we want to remember that we live in God's magical world.

01:10:54 So any final thoughts that you guys have for this episode?

01:10:58 I was just going to say, it all reminds me of the scene in the silver chair in the Chronicles of Narnia.

01:11:05 That's what I keep thinking of.

01:11:06 Yeah, when Puddleglom finally stands up to the queen, which, by the way, is serpent imagery, earth.

01:11:13 uh and and the queen's true form is revealed as this horribly grotesque serpent demon and uh and

01:11:23 and one of the things that we should take from that is that it always behooves it's always a

01:11:27 top priority of the powers of darkness and the schemes of the devil to not be seen for what they

01:11:34 really are and so if you have a molex state a god state that's trying to cause everyone to

01:11:42 functionally worship them, then it will always be a top priority of theirs, no matter what the cost

01:11:48 to make sure you don't see it for what it actually is. And so it may sound silly when we say like,

01:11:53 so of course they would hide giant bones and they would tell the soldiers to shut up.

01:11:58 But no, that really is what they would do. Like this isn't silly. This is just the basic tenets 0.92

01:12:03 of good versus evil that God's given us to work with in the world. And we know that they're the

01:12:08 basic tenants because we've already seen them in his word. And so we shouldn't be shocked if they

01:12:13 show up again, even after Christ's overwhelming victory. Yep. Amen. Amen. All right, guys,

01:12:20 thank you so much for coming on the show. Haunted Cosmos is now not just on podcast platforms,

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01:12:49 out with an episode of haunted cosmos but you're doing some other things too yeah we try to do on

01:12:53 the off weeks we try to release a uh a q a episode of the show where we're playing chess and answering

01:12:59 questions and we're doing both very poorly yeah great that's called chess is not just stuff

01:13:04 chess is not just how the record stands in the games is a one nil and and that's that's you

01:13:11 right i don't want to say one i don't i don't want to say hey i i'll admit it brian won the

01:13:17 first one that was on record that was on record ben actually won the first since then i have

01:13:21 beat him in five games in a row and that's why it's so the world is not just stuff

01:13:27 thanks for having us on joel it's an honor and a fun discussion we're we're glad to come in

01:13:35 and hang out with you anytime yeah cool thanks guys

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The NXR Podcast - October 10, 2023

THEOLOGY APPLIED - Sizes of Biblical Giants & Where They Could Be Hiding Today

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