The NXR Podcast - THEOLOGY APPLIED - Still Waiting On Big Eva’s Apology For Covid Manipulation w AD Robles

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00:00:18 All right, welcome to another episode of Theology Applied. I'm your host,

00:00:21 Pastor Joel Webbin with Right Response Ministries, and I'm pleased to announce

00:00:24 in this episode, my special guest is A.D. Robles. He is joining us now for the

00:00:29 116th time. It's not that high, but he's been on the show several times because he's a friend,

00:00:35 because he has courage, because he loves Jesus, he knows scripture, and he calls out

00:00:40 just the absolute ridiculousness that we often find in Big Eva and with our politicians and our

00:00:48 culture today. So what we're talking about in this episode is we're talking about the bombshell

00:00:54 of the Pfizer vaccine, we had a high up Pfizer vaccine executive come out and say, well,

00:01:01 we didn't even test, not at all. We did not even test the vaccine's ability to stop transmission

00:01:09 before rolling out to the general public, which means when Russell Moore said, hey,

00:01:15 you should love your neighbor by getting the vaccine. The vaccine was not tested at all in

00:01:21 its ability to love your neighbor. It was not tested in its ability to stop or even slow

00:01:27 transmission of the virus to your neighbor, which means all the pastors and all the seminary

00:01:32 presidents and all the theologians who came out, every person professing the name of Christ who 0.59

00:01:38 came out and bound the consciences of Christians saying, you should get the vaccine because Jesus

00:01:42 commands you to love your neighbor and that means getting vaccinated. All those people need

00:01:48 to repent. And that's what we're talking about. Tune in now. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold

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00:02:53 Applying God's Word to every aspect of life. This is Theology Applied.

00:03:04 Welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied. I am your host, Pastor Joel Webbin

00:03:08 with Right Response Ministries, and I am pleased to have returning now for, I think, like the 73rd

00:03:16 time. We've got A.D. Robles with the Right Response Ministries Network. No, I'm just kidding. We're

00:03:21 fight, laugh, peace. But I feel like he's an honorary member of our ministry here. A.D.,

00:03:26 thanks for coming on the show, man. You're welcome. I'm glad to be here.

00:03:30 Cool. So we actually got to see each other in person for just a brief minute, and I got to

00:03:35 talked to ad for five maybe seven minutes but i got to talk to his son for a good you know two

00:03:41 and a half hours no i'm just kidding no his son faked an asthma attack so that dad would have to

00:03:47 go get an inhaler so he could buy more time to tell me about the zoo remember that so okay so

00:03:52 that's your oldest what's his name uh aj adam jr okay cool yeah so he yeah he he loves that's

00:03:59 his favorite thing to talk about different features of animals and things like that that's

00:04:04 his favorite thing he nailed it so like his little brothers were keeping mom preoccupied and so like

00:04:09 ad it was funny he was like you can talk to mr joel but you you know you've got a you're gonna

00:04:14 tell him a couple things and then and then dad and joel are gonna talk but he like it was he was

00:04:20 so systematic he like went through each section of the like we were in asia and then africa and

00:04:25 then the you know amphibians and and reptiles it was really cool like and he knew a lot of facts it

00:04:31 It was like a couple of times I chimed in, but I got corrected multiple times for not

00:04:36 knowing my facts.

00:04:38 So, all right.

00:04:39 So anyways, let's go ahead and dive in.

00:04:40 So I was thinking this has been in the Twitterverse a little while I've been commenting on it.

00:04:44 You've been commenting on it because it's just one more example in the providence of

00:04:49 God of revealing Big Eva's hypocrisy.

00:04:54 And we all get it wrong, right?

00:04:56 We all get things wrong and we have to backtrack, you know, God humbles us from time to time.

00:05:01 Um, but the problem is that I haven't really seen a lot of guys actually take opportunity,

00:05:07 uh, for humility, right?

00:05:10 I'm not seeing guys walking back.

00:05:11 So for anybody who's wondering what I'm talking about, what I'm talking about is, um, I'm

00:05:14 just going to read a little bit here.

00:05:15 So I, I don't, you know, so I get the facts, right.

00:05:17 But, uh, basically, uh, during a hearing of, uh, the European union's COVID-19 response,

00:05:24 Pfizer's, uh, president of international developed markets, Janine Small admitted that

00:05:30 its vaccine had never been tested before its release to the general public on its ability

00:05:36 to prevent the transmission of COVID.

00:05:40 So Janine Small, she's the president of International Developed Markets.

00:05:45 Under oath, she admitted that the vaccine, the Pfizer vaccine, had never, not it was

00:05:51 under-tested or never been tested before its release to the general public in regards to

00:05:59 its ability to prevent the transmission of COVID. And so if you're wondering, so what are the dots

00:06:06 you're connecting here? What's the point you're trying to make? The point is this. I was told,

00:06:10 I don't know about you, AD, but I was told that in order to love my neighbor, I needed to get

00:06:16 vaxxed. But apparently the Pfizer vaccine was not tested at all in regards to its ability to love

00:06:25 one's neighbor right so what do we do with that what what are some of your thoughts on that

00:06:30 well i'll say i'll say this i i am i am actually surprised that she said it wasn't tested at all

00:06:39 for that because because the thing is the lie that we we knew it was a lie that they did all

00:06:44 of the normal testing and all the normal you know approvals and everything because that's what they

00:06:49 were saying they were saying we know this is exactly we did everything we normally do that's

00:06:53 obviously not true because normally it takes years for something to get approved or whatever

00:06:57 and whether that's right or wrong that's not really the point the point is it's not that

00:07:00 it wasn't the same approvals that was a lie we kept getting um but um but i am a little bit

00:07:06 surprised that it was so blatantly we didn't even we didn't even test it you know what i mean because

00:07:11 didn't didn't the did not the pfizer ceo say at one point that they had like a hundred percent

00:07:16 efficiency and in in stopping transmission. Like, I don't remember. I can't remember. So I don't I

00:07:23 don't want to quote that. I don't want to say that. But but but but I but I seem to remember

00:07:27 something like that. And it's like, okay, whatever. So but here's my thoughts, though.

00:07:35 I actually don't even care about any of this. Because even if it was totally effective at

00:07:41 stopping transmission, and it was totally awesome, it was like the greatest vaccine of all time.

00:07:46 the love your neighbor thing it's still inappropriate it's still it's still not

00:07:52 god's law to get the vaccine so like honestly like this just makes it so much more apparent

00:07:58 so much more obvious like you you change god's law for a lie but it wouldn't have been good even

00:08:04 if they changed it for something that was true you know what i mean right yeah yeah i'm grateful

00:08:11 for it i'm grateful for it because this puts the egg on their face even that much more right exactly

00:08:15 So, yeah, so I guess it was his name's Rob Roos, R-O-O-S is his last name, but he's an

00:08:23 EU parliamentarian, Rob Roos.

00:08:25 He's the guy who exposed an alleged misinformation.

00:08:28 They're saying alleged in this article, but misinformation campaign by Pfizer with the

00:08:32 release of his video tweet today.

00:08:35 In it, he called the actions criminal, scandalous, and a cheap lie.

00:08:39 Her response under oath, and this is a quotation, when he presses her and says, yes or no,

00:08:45 did the Pfizer vaccine, was it actually tested in its ability to stop transmission?

00:08:50 She said, regarding the question around, did we know about stopping immunization before it

00:08:56 entered the market? No. Small replied. And then let's see, she picks back up. She continued,

00:09:03 we really had to move at the speed of science, the speed of science to really understand what

00:09:11 is taking place in the market. So yeah, I don't know, man. I think my problem is just, you're

00:09:19 right. Like it's not in God's law that you got to get vaccinated. But there's just, there's so

00:09:24 many things with that. God's law does talk about, all right, so there aren't vaccines in the Old

00:09:28 Testament, all right? Because I'm just hearing, you know, like play the devil's advocate. I'm

00:09:32 hearing our, you know, the trolls coming out in the comments already on YouTube, you know,

00:09:37 saying like, well, there are no vaccines. And so, okay, God's law, what we have is we have

00:09:41 10 moral commandments and then we have civil codes, right? We have case law.

00:09:45 Some of the closest examples that I could get to would be like Exodus chapter 21. I could bring it

00:09:50 up, but I'll look for it. But basically Exodus chapter 21 talks about an ox that's accustomed

00:09:57 to gore. You know that passage, Eddie?

00:09:59 Sure, sure.

00:10:00 And it says like, if you have an ox that's accustomed to gore in the past, let's see,

00:10:05 let me find it. The first part of the chapter has to do with slavery. Then it goes to restitution,

00:10:13 which I've gotten in trouble with you before talking about slavery. So we'll just stick to

00:10:16 oxen on this episode. Okay. I don't remember that, but hey.

00:10:21 It was the Examining Moscow crew, remember? I didn't get in trouble because I'm a big deal.

00:10:26 They just used me as a pawn to get to Doug Wilson. So they're like, this is the product

00:10:30 of Doug Wilson's discipleship.

00:10:32 Now I remember, yes.

00:10:34 And it's like, and the funniest part about it was,

00:10:36 the only reason they even saw it

00:10:38 is because the title of that episode

00:10:39 was A Defense of Doug Wilson.

00:10:41 And I thought like,

00:10:42 I put myself in Doug Wilson's shoes for a second.

00:10:43 I thought, he probably feels like a dad

00:10:46 when his like three-year-old son goes out to defend him.

00:10:50 He's like, that's sweet son.

00:10:51 I appreciate the attempt,

00:10:53 but you're actually just making it harder.

00:10:55 Like I was trying, you know,

00:10:56 I was trying to make a good argument for Doug Wilson

00:10:58 and I just got him in more trouble.

00:10:59 But anyways, here it is. So this is Exodus 21 verse 28. It says, when an ox gores a man or a

00:11:05 woman to death, the ox shall be stoned and its flesh shall not be eaten, right? You don't get

00:11:10 to benefit from it. You lose the ox. But the owner of the ox shall not be liable. But if the ox has

00:11:17 been accustomed to gore in the past, which right there means that if they were following the law

00:11:23 of God, the ox should have already been stoned if it gored in the past. So this is a guy who's

00:11:27 already broken the law of God. He has an ox that's gored. Somehow he got away and kept the ox.

00:11:33 It's been accustomed to gore in the past and its owner has been warned, but has not kept it in,

00:11:39 right? So the owner is responsible for some kind of fence, some kind of barrier to keep the ox in

00:11:44 to make sure it doesn't get out. He hasn't kept it in. He's failed in that responsibility and it

00:11:49 gets out and kills a man or a woman, the ox shall be stoned and its owner also, also shall be put 0.99

00:11:57 to death. And so my point is, you know, we got, we got case law, these civil codes in the old 0.96

00:12:03 Testament, and they all pretty much every single one of them, not even pretty much all of them,

00:12:07 we can track back to one or more of the 10 commandments. So, so I would say the sixth

00:12:12 commandment, thou shall not murder, put stated in the positive light would be thou shalt not do

00:12:17 any harm, physical harm to your neighbor, or the positive would be like, thou shalt esteem and

00:12:23 defend and protect the sanctity of human life made in the image of God. So we have a moral

00:12:28 obligation to protect human life and to not do harm or destruction and certainly murder to our

00:12:36 neighbor. And that does affect not just walking up to our neighbor and stabbing him in the chest

00:12:41 with a knife, but that does affect something in regards to like an ox, right? There could be a

00:12:47 passive, indirect way of harming my neighbor because there's something that I had knowledge

00:12:53 about. I was warned, right? That's key in the text too. If he's been warned. And so it's like,

00:12:58 we've been warned. There's this virus going around. We've been warned that it's contagious.

00:13:02 We've been warned that it is very dangerous and can be deadly for certain groups of people like

00:13:07 the elderly, all those. So I, you know, I remember when, this was like two weeks after, you know,

00:13:12 COVID broke on the scene, it's still in March of 2020. And this was the text that I was using to

00:13:17 think through it. And I was thinking through that and thinking, okay, but there's, are there

00:13:22 other ways, I guess my question is, are there other ways of keeping the ox hemmed in? Are there

00:13:27 other ways for, in the case of the virus, applying that to another case, are there other ways besides

00:13:34 lockdowns besides a mask besides a vaccine because because what's not in the text is it

00:13:40 doesn't say you have to build this type of fence out of these materials this many feet high that's

00:13:47 no it's just just keeping the ox somehow and if the ox does get out so I would feel like the

00:13:53 equivalent would be like if if someone actually gets the virus and it can be proven in a court

00:13:59 of law that it that it came from you and it resulted in this individual's death and although

00:14:03 you know what i mean like there'd have to be so much to substantiate that you actually had some

00:14:07 moral responsibility and the whole thing that we were pushing back at the time was just saying

00:14:12 number one we don't think covid is nearly as bad as people are making it sound um the elderly

00:14:17 there's only a small portion yes people are are dying with covid and some may be from covid but

00:14:24 it's one small sliver of the population these individuals could quarantine right while the

00:14:30 rest of us live our lives, not foolishly, but live our lives. And so for me, it's just, it was

00:14:35 way too much to make a biblical argument that you must put this untested, right? It's like,

00:14:43 oh, it's been tested, not long-term. It hasn't been around long-term. There's no way to...

00:14:47 Yeah, that was a lie from the beginning.

00:14:48 Exactly. So to say you have to put, and then when it went to children, you have to inject

00:14:53 um an unknown substance without any long-term testing um in your own children or or your

00:15:01 murderer you're killing grandma go ahead right right well well that's just it i mean with it

00:15:08 with the oxen this is that's a to me this is a case law that's talking about like sort of like 0.96

00:15:14 reckless endangerment like reckless behavior in general so if you have a if you have a dog or an

00:15:20 ox and it's just a violent ox it's a violent dog you know and you know you you you choose to not

00:15:26 really take care of it or really you know oh i just love little sparky he's a great dog like if

00:15:31 that's your choice and then that dog goes and kills someone that's your responsibility that's

00:15:35 reckless of you but the thing is like people started to try to make existing reckless like

00:15:42 existing and breathing air became reckless right going to the store became reckless you know

00:15:48 wanting to go see your grandparents became reckless and you can't,

00:15:52 you can't do that. That's that, that like, that's,

00:15:53 that's an abuse of that particular text. And so, you know, if somebody's,

00:15:58 if somebody has, you know, COVID or some kind of disease or any,

00:16:01 any sickness and they go, 0.97

00:16:03 they decide to go to an old folks home and cough on all the elderly, you know, 0.99

00:16:08 yeah, that's a problem. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's dangerous. 0.98

00:16:11 That's something that they should be prosecuted for. 1.00

00:16:13 But if you're just existing and an old person walks past you and 0.94

00:16:18 somehow catches covid that it's very different it's very different you're right um by the way

00:16:24 before we continue i just want to make this point i was right dr albert borla this chairman and ceo

00:16:31 pfizer in 2020 uh said on on on tv that uh their vaccine had a above 90 effective rate

00:16:42 at preventing covid wow i mean this this is this is this is what what does that mean right that's

00:16:51 probably where the loophole is but no no i'm saying you're right like preventing uh no that

00:16:55 that's that would mean um that it can't be transmitted to you it's not because it was only

00:17:00 afterwards that they that they backpedaled and and reworked their rhetoric to say oh well vaccines

00:17:05 were never about you know preventing covid um or or stopping the transmission it's just about you

00:17:10 know so that your symptoms are more mild you know and then people are still dying with a vaccine and

00:17:15 you know it's like that person would have died so much harder if they weren't vaccinated thank

00:17:19 goodness that dead person was vaccinated and this is the thing right because these vaccines are

00:17:25 somewhat mysterious you know and i don't mean like um like they're magical or whatever but like

00:17:30 the common man like you and i we don't understand exactly how to make one we don't understand the

00:17:35 manufacturing process. That's above our pay grade, right? So to demand that we inject this

00:17:43 into our system is nothing like demanding that you lock up your dangerous pit bull that's already

00:17:49 bitten somebody. That's completely different. You don't have to be a genius to understand that

00:17:56 your pit bull who's bitten someone in the past, you need to be locked away and needs to be chained

00:18:01 so that they don't bite someone again it's different than a vaccine a vaccine is completely

00:18:05 different and and not to mention the fact that there's just so many other you know moral and

00:18:10 ethical decisions that have to be made for any of these vaccines or any of these treatments like

00:18:15 it's just so complicated and yet we were told that our christian faithfulness our christian

00:18:21 witness our our morality our obedience to christ was hanging in the balance if we didn't get the

00:18:26 vaccine and it was all propaganda at the end of the day it was all based on a lie right no i

00:18:34 completely agree there was one guy on twitter that i saw today the day that we're recording this

00:18:38 who came out and i don't even know if he's a christian but um i never heard of him before but

00:18:44 i he's i don't know i think he had a blue check you know so whatever that means you know but

00:18:48 he had you know like 30 000 followers or something like that like it wasn't just a guy with like two

00:18:52 followers on twitter he's official yeah he's official in some capacity official for what um

00:18:57 official official who knows according to who i you know i don't know those answers but um but

00:19:02 anyways like he just said um he said well uh uh officially i was wrong um uh about you know loving

00:19:10 your neighbor by getting the vac uh vaccine he said there's um there's a whole bunch of people

00:19:16 that i need to apologize uh to yeah and it was like it was really refreshing you know and and

00:19:22 you just read the comments and like twitter is like you know people aren't particularly kind

00:19:27 on twitter you know and i'm not particularly kind on twitter you know like most of the people there's

00:19:32 plenty of people on twitter that i could be kind to but you you on twitter it's kind of you know

00:19:35 you're mainly engaging people who disagree with you sure and so yeah you know but everyone on on

00:19:40 this particular tweet was like you know really you know really positive like thanks man you know

00:19:46 appreciate that good on you you know like and I just remember thinking like um why can't Russell

00:19:53 Moore do that you know like why can't like I remember seeing you know the picture of him like

00:19:57 this hobbit is getting his um his vaccine you remember that I'll never forget that

00:20:02 wish wish we could forget it but you know but it was like and he was and he wasn't doing that like 0.72

00:20:10 like it's like we know his purpose he he he outright said you know but that in his rhetoric

00:20:15 but then even in just in that image you know it was you i'm an evangelical leader and you should

00:20:22 be doing this too this is a moral thing this is a moral good that i'm doing right like you know

00:20:28 you're putting it on social media because you you you think it's a moral good that you're performing

00:20:34 and that others you know should fall in your footsteps and and and if anyone thinks i'm

00:20:38 reading into the picture too much. Like, just go back and look at some of the things that he

00:20:41 verbatim said. Like, he very much... Yeah, you're not.

00:20:44 Yeah, his position was that Christians, out of love for neighbor, should get a jab. And one of

00:20:51 the high up jab execs just said, we did not test this whatsoever in regards to its love for neighbor

00:21:00 ability. Right. Because that was the whole case.

00:21:03 That was the whole case.

00:21:04 That transmission for your neighbor. That was the whole case. Yeah. Well, you don't have to,

00:21:07 I mean, that picture was especially embarrassing in my opinion, but he definitely you're right.

00:21:13 He definitely wrote it. And lots of guys were writing stuff like this.

00:21:16 And I and I and I wonder sometimes some of these guys throw around love your neighbor without really thinking about what they're saying, because what they are saying is that it's a part of the law of God.

00:21:26 That's what Jesus said. Love your neighbor as yourself meant.

00:21:28 So I think some people throw that around and it's just it's just a slogan to them.

00:21:33 But there are some guys but that know exactly what they're saying.

00:21:36 And I think one of those guys is someone that I addressed in a video today, the day we're recording this.

00:21:42 His name is Andrew T. Walker.

00:21:44 He's an ethics professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

00:21:48 So as an ethics professor, he knows exactly what he's saying when he says it's about neighbor love.

00:21:53 It's loving your neighbor as yourself.

00:21:56 And he said that about the vaccine.

00:21:59 Now, Andrew, I think, he's been pretty base lately, in my opinion.

00:22:04 he's been he's been saying taking some stands that that no one in big eve was taking and i

00:22:08 gotta applaud him for that and i gotta get his back for that and i think out of everyone who

00:22:13 has said this ridiculous thing that this is a matter of loving your neighbor as yourself

00:22:17 andrew t walker could be a leader in apologizing for that and you don't need to apologize to me

00:22:23 i was never going to listen to you but there were people that did right right there were people that

00:22:27 did and and and and i think that you're um i don't know why he went this way why he was so

00:22:35 excited to turn government propaganda into christian law i don't know why was it fear was

00:22:41 it you know i don't know but i think if if anyone has the moral fortitude to change direction and

00:22:47 to say look i was wrong on this one uh it would be andrew t walker so i i'm just i'm just name

00:22:52 dropping him here because i want to increase the pressure on him because i think he's already said

00:22:56 you know maybe i should re-examine some of that stuff publicly um good for him you really need to

00:23:02 because now that now that it's coming out that the vaccine didn't do any good and may have hurt

00:23:08 as well because i think i think that data is forthcoming there's still there's we have a lot

00:23:14 of anecdotes that the vaccine has hurt people but we don't have a lot of hard hard data but that's

00:23:19 coming i think i've seen some stuff lately that that kind of indicates that there's there's

00:23:23 something going on you got steve days do you know steve days from the blaze yeah oh oh yeah like

00:23:28 he's coming out with the fourth reich is his new book and that's going to be coming out soon where

00:23:32 he like calls for a new nuremberg trial basically on on all the vaccines but he's been tracking a

00:23:38 lot of stuff and other guys have been tracking a lot of data like if you just look we don't you're

00:23:42 right we don't have the hard facts but what we do have is general things like um like how how many

00:23:46 heart attacks in young men you know under the age of 40 do we have um in a typical month you know

00:23:53 in a typical year. Right, like excess heart attacks, like, you know, you have a certain

00:23:56 amount of heart attacks as a baseline, and then how many excess, right, right, right. And then

00:24:00 it's like shoots through the roof, you know, or like people are saying like, oh, we have this

00:24:03 thing SADS, you know, it's been around forever, S-A-D-S, right, like, you know, SIDS, right,

00:24:08 every parent's like nightmare, like sudden infant, right, like sudden infant death syndrome, but

00:24:13 also, you know, everybody's probably heard about SIDS, right, and everybody's also heard about SADS,

00:24:19 right? Sudden adult death syndrome. You know, that's, that's been around for decades. No,

00:24:24 no, it hasn't. Like, like a two years. Right. And even with the SIDS thing, you know, and this is

00:24:30 like, and this is crazy as a parent, cause I didn't do all these things right. Like the last

00:24:34 two years we've been, my wife and I rethinking everything. Like, like, are we going to get

00:24:37 vaccines for, you know, like, like, are we going to get 17 vaccines every, every month for the

00:24:44 first, you know, 12 years of our kid's life. You know what I mean? They put them on this regimen

00:24:49 from like the day they're born, you know, where it's just like shot, shot, shot, shot. And thinking

00:24:55 about like, okay, so like all of a sudden everybody's getting this vaccine, all these

00:24:58 adults are, and then, oh, we have sad, sudden adult death syndrome, people just killing over

00:25:02 heart attacks. But then it gets you, it kind of gets you thinking about SIDS. Oh, totally.

00:25:07 What if SIDS, right? How many of these babies that just, you know, like there's no cause,

00:25:11 we don't know what killed them you know like the parent just wakes up it's a nightmare come to life

00:25:15 where they walk over to to the cradle and the baby's just laying there dead um but now a lot

00:25:21 of people are coming out and saying yeah this happened two days after my baby's shots or this

00:25:25 happened what if i i remember watching this video this mom just in tears saying like what if i killed

00:25:31 my baby like i didn't know like obviously like i like she's not morally responsible um in that but

00:25:38 like, dude, what if like, you know what I mean? So anyways,

00:25:41 and that's the mercy of God that a lot of things are being exposed.

00:25:45 And, but anyways, all that being said, you're, you're absolutely right.

00:25:48 Like it didn't stop transmission and very likely killed a bunch of people.

00:25:52 Go ahead.

00:25:53 And so, and so these people that,

00:25:55 that tried to make this a matter of loving you're eager to do it.

00:25:58 They were eager to say, Jesus would tell you to get the vaccine, you know,

00:26:02 love your neighbor as yourself. Love it. They need to, they need to,

00:26:05 first of all, they need to, they need to apologize.

00:26:08 they need to make it right publicly but then after that they need to look into their own hearts and

00:26:13 say well why was i so eager to to take a government lie that was so obviously a lie at the time and

00:26:20 now it's being revealed that it was a lie why was i so eager to push this on people and to make it

00:26:27 a matter of christian um imperative christian imperative for people because a lot of these guys

00:26:34 didn't just get their vaccine and go quietly about their day they were proud about it they 0.97

00:26:38 posted their stupid hobbit picture you know they they they even wrote articles like andrew t walker 0.98

00:26:43 that said it was a matter of loving your neighbor as yourself and i don't mean to pick on andrew 0.99

00:26:47 walker because a lot of guys did this the only reason i meant name dropping andrew t walker is

00:26:51 because i think out of all the guys that i know he's the most likely to lead on this and say i

00:26:56 was wrong and we were wrong and we need to correct this right right i i completely agree but that

00:27:03 kind of brings me to my next question this is a genuine question i so i've been thinking about

00:27:06 this the last few days now and i'm curious what adi robles thinks but um so okay so we get

00:27:13 something wrong um and and we should repent right and whatever context it was that we send in that

00:27:20 that should be the the same context um that we repent in right so like if i sin against my wife

00:27:26 privately i i you know i i need to go to her privately and ask for her forgiveness and

00:27:31 acknowledge my sin, repent before the Lord and repent before my wife. But I don't have to post

00:27:38 it on Twitter or something like that. It doesn't, if it's a private grievance, it can be privately

00:27:42 dealt with. And except, of course, in my case, being a pastor, if the grievance was something

00:27:47 that would disqualify me from eldership, then 1 Timothy 5, right? Rebuke those elders that

00:27:54 persist in sin before them all. So then it does merit, a private sin could merit a public rebuke

00:27:59 if a guy's in that position of leadership and it's an egregious sin.

00:28:03 All that being said though,

00:28:04 the context that we repent in is the context that we send in.

00:28:07 So guys who send publicly by telling them, you know,

00:28:09 you got to get the jab because, because Jesus tells you to,

00:28:12 because like, this is Christian law. You know, that's,

00:28:16 if you said that publicly, like you, you need to publicly own that.

00:28:19 But that brings me to the question, which is certainly there needs to be

00:28:23 repentance. But for leaders, I'm wondering like, because,

00:28:28 some people think that this is funny that we're even doing this episode, right? Like, when did

00:28:35 COVID come out? It's been 900 days, right? Like, you know what I mean? This wasn't like two weeks

00:28:42 ago, two months ago. It's not even two years ago now. It's two and a half years. It's 900. And so

00:28:47 here's my thing is like, okay, like forgiveness belongs to a category of love and charity. We

00:28:55 could place that in that category. But leadership is not a charity, right? Like the office of elder

00:29:01 is not a charity. The president of a seminary is not a charity, right? Like the Bible has a real

00:29:07 category for charity and love and forgiveness. And these things are free because we've been

00:29:11 freely loved and freely given to and freely forgiven in the gospel. So the gospel is the

00:29:17 basis. It's the foundation for us forgiving our debtors as we, you know, as God forgives us our

00:29:23 debts um but but this people need to understand because this is one of the things is is people

00:29:29 mix categories all the time right this is what what people do with the democrat party all the

00:29:33 time is like well you know um yeah republicans care for the unborn you know but democrats care

00:29:39 for people once they are born it's like okay but wait a second but is government supposed to

00:29:43 care for them right right like like government has been it's you know it's like the old saying 0.86

00:29:48 like you, you had one job, you know, like the government has one job, get, kill bad guys. 0.90

00:29:54 You know what I mean? Like that's their job. You know, not, it's not welfare. That falls on the 0.93

00:29:58 household. When the household fails, it falls on the church. If that person is qualified and

00:30:03 faithful and all those kinds of things. And, and, and then it never falls on the government. It's,

00:30:08 it's family first, then the church for those who are faithful and never uncle Sam. Uncle Sam keeps

00:30:14 wanting to be Daddy Sam, but he's not. He's just supposed to be the crazy uncle that takes a sword 0.97

00:30:21 and kills bad guys, you know? And so, we mix categories. And so, my point is, like, when it 0.99

00:30:24 comes to eldership, I've seen people do this, like, where an elder gets caught in some kind of

00:30:28 egregious sin, but he owns it, you know? Like, even like the Chandler thing, and I don't know

00:30:32 if it was egregious, because that was so weird, because it's like, he's absolutely not disqualified,

00:30:37 but it was a disqualifying sin, you know? I watched your video on that, yeah. Yeah, just

00:30:41 You know, I'm just like, what is going on?

00:30:43 So anyways, but in the case of Chandler, I don't know if it was egregious.

00:30:47 I have no idea what it is.

00:30:49 Nobody, you know, nobody's talking about it, but also everyone should know about it.

00:30:52 And so whatever.

00:30:52 But my point is with that, I saw a ton of people coming out and saying like, good, you

00:30:57 know, like I don't like his woke stuff, but I'm really proud of him on this point.

00:31:01 I'm really impressed because people like when people own something.

00:31:06 It's just like what I said earlier, the guy on Twitter who said, hey, I've got a lot of

00:31:09 people. And I found myself immediately like, good on you, man, way to go. And you just immediately

00:31:15 increase in respect for someone when they own their mistakes. And now Chandler, I kind of feel

00:31:21 like his elders probably had like a gun at his back, making him. So I don't know how much of

00:31:25 that was voluntary, but the point is people are so quick. And then they, Christians will apply 1.00

00:31:34 the gospel this is you know this is gospel you know like uh christ forgives us we should forgive

00:31:39 chandler you know and uh get him back in the pulpit you know like like forgive him don't be

00:31:44 a pharisee don't it's like well wait a second this is not a forgiveness there's forgiveness

00:31:49 which belongs to love but then there's discernment and qualifications which belongs to trust

00:31:55 and those are two different categories you can forgive someone um i'll see you in heaven you're

00:32:02 a brother in Christ. I love you. I can have friendship with you, but you can't be my pastor.

00:32:08 You can't be a leader. You've got to, you know, and so my question is this, so we want guys to

00:32:13 own it and you're calling out Andrew T. Walker and hopefully he owns it. And I'm not saying this

00:32:17 specifically to him because I don't know him, but I'm just saying in general, if some of these guys

00:32:23 own it, my question is, but what happens when you own something 900 days late? Because for me,

00:32:30 And then it's like, okay, so there's repentance.

00:32:32 I can feel good about calling you a brother, but I would like the leaders in Christ's church

00:32:39 to have a little bit of more discernment than, because literally to lead, just at a practical

00:32:48 level, leading implies that you're head of the crowd.

00:32:52 But if you're coming to conclusions on weighting matters that have affected the globe, if you're

00:32:59 coming to conclusions and able to apply god's words to these cultural political matters and

00:33:05 you're coming to those conclusions 900 days after the fact and it also happens to be the same day

00:33:10 that everyone else that you're leading also came to that conclusion then are you a leader what do

00:33:16 you think about that yeah well i don't think i don't i think that you you definitely aren't at

00:33:21 least in that area i think i think it depends on the person you know what what you're talking who

00:33:25 you're talking about what what you know what they said what they're doing um how they repent

00:33:30 you know what i mean because because a lot of guys will just do the sorry you know i i i didn't know

00:33:36 you know i didn't have the right data sorry and like you know that's really not going to cut it

00:33:41 because like again it doesn't matter what the data was like you actually lied about what the

00:33:45 the bible says here you try to you put this yoke on people right so um it all depends on the details

00:33:51 But the thing is, though, like even if like like Andrew T. Walker, right, as far as I know, he's not a pastor.

00:33:56 I think he's a professor, just a professor. And that's it.

00:34:00 You know, I would never take an Andrew T. Walker ethics class.

00:34:03 That doesn't make any sense, because this is the area that he just failed in, like miserably, spectacularly.

00:34:09 So I wouldn't take it like like I'm not saying you should be fired, but like I can't imagine anyone after this being like, oh, yeah, well, I'm going to get my ethics lessons from you.

00:34:19 but the thing is we you know that doesn't mean that he's not a bad he's a bad guy like it doesn't

00:34:23 mean that you can't learn from him in other areas but in this area when it comes to like

00:34:27 a high emotion you know political um you know you know psyop level type stuff where everything's

00:34:36 kind of happening all quickly and all at once and they're putting this propaganda pressure on you

00:34:41 like you know honestly you probably should just sit it out right you know and maybe maybe think

00:34:46 about it a little bit before you make your judgments before you you know what i mean like

00:34:49 and i'm not saying you didn't think about this but it's just like the you know there's a difference

00:34:54 between forgiving someone and then instantly trusting them in the same areas where they just

00:34:59 failed right you know what i mean like if your pastor if you're if you're let's forget about

00:35:04 pastors for a second like if you're if you're if you're a christian friend you know fails you know

00:35:09 he goes to the bar and he picks up a girl and you know he sleeps with or whatever like you don't

00:35:15 like go hang out with him at the bar like a few weeks later right you know what i mean like he

00:35:19 probably shouldn't be there you can't be trusted there you should probably maybe do something else

00:35:23 does he have the freedom to go to a bar is it is it unchristian to go to a bar no but you know you

00:35:30 got to protect yourself sometimes you know what i mean like i'm not saying you can't repent and

00:35:35 be fine andrew t walker could repent he could have this great thing and he could be fine going

00:35:40 forward because he learned his lesson that the government propaganda is not to be trusted that

00:35:44 could definitely happen yes but what i'm saying is like it just can't be like everything's all

00:35:50 good if you give me the the yeah sorry you know you know how could i have known a lot of guys are

00:35:57 doing that how could i have known i just did the best with the data i had no you didn't you failed

00:36:01 with the data you had that's the problem right no i completely agree because we all had the same data

00:36:07 and we did all have the same data and we didn't all come to the same conclusions and it's not

00:36:11 just because some of us are you know right-wing extremist you know maga republican whatever like

00:36:17 conspiracy theorists um no like like they're very sensible people um who just who without being an

00:36:24 epidemiologist you know just were able to say wait a second like by by by your own data by your own

00:36:32 admission um like how many people under the age of 65 are dying right and and you know and like the

00:36:40 CDC comes out and says that the average person dying of COVID is 80, I believe it was 84 years

00:36:48 old or 86 years old. They also came out and said that the average person dying of COVID had not

00:36:55 one, not two, not three, but four simultaneous, four comorbidities, right? So you can look at that

00:37:02 and say, okay, like, so who do I, like, you're saying that me and all of my kids, we need

00:37:10 to get a vaccine that requires two doses, and then every like five, six months, a booster

00:37:18 vaccine, and we need to do this in order to protect a very small sliver of the population, 0.77

00:37:27 86 year olds with four comorbidities um yeah could we just not hang out with 86 year olds with

00:37:35 four four comorbidities and and is that can we do that instead and people were asking that question

00:37:41 which is a really reasonable question and and they were it's not just that like we were being

00:37:46 ignored we we were being um we were being demeaned we were being slandered accused as hateful and

00:37:55 yeah and so anyway conspiracy theorists all the whole nine yards hateful conspiracy theorists you 0.93

00:38:00 want to kill grandma you know you just uh you know you listen to tucker carlson too much all

00:38:04 that kind of stuff right right but here's the thing i don't think every single single pastor 0.97

00:38:08 i don't know if this is what you're kind of getting at but i don't think every single pastor

00:38:11 that pushed the vaccine um as loving your neighbor as yourself that they need to resign

00:38:16 yeah that's what i'm getting at okay so you're giving me i don't think so okay not every single

00:38:21 one however there's gonna have to be some like there's a lot expected of a pastor when they

00:38:26 screw up so royally and like you have to really you have to you're gonna have to borrow a big

00:38:31 eva term you're gonna have to really lean into that repentance and demonstrate what it really

00:38:34 is because it can't it cannot just be sort of like i'm sorry i got caught kind of thing because

00:38:40 we've all been there i mean you're a pastor joel you you know like when you're talking to someone

00:38:44 and they repent basically only because they got caught right like you know the difference between

00:38:49 that and heartfelt repentance right you've been there we've all been there you don't have to be a

00:38:55 pastor to know that like right there's certain times you talk to someone you know that they're

00:38:59 really broken up about their sin and other times where you're just like well they're kind of like

00:39:03 annoyed that they got caught and so they'll repent i feel like that that we're going to probably have

00:39:09 to see the difference as it plays out to really make the judgment here but some of these guys

00:39:13 will never repent they just won't ever do it right some of them they're just going to memory hole it

00:39:17 you know we're never gonna see you know like like their past things that they said we'll never see

00:39:21 the light of day again and and the reason why guys do that is because um it works like it works

00:39:26 oh my goodness it's effective you know and um you just you know you just never ever ever ever ever

00:39:33 bring it up again you know and and which you know for the record even me personally it's

00:39:39 like nobody comes out of the womb with perfect theology and nobody's um go goes into ordination

00:39:44 with perfect theology, right? Like there's a minimum bottom line, biblically, you must be

00:39:48 able to teach. But you would hope that a pastor who has been an ordained minister of the gospel,

00:39:55 that 20 years into his ministry will have more refined doctrine than the day that he was ordained,

00:40:02 which means what? It means that he has reformed. Meaning that a guy who's been preaching for 20

00:40:10 years should be able to look back and say I was wrong about x y and z you know I can do that with

00:40:17 certain doctrines that I was I was wrong about like I used to be a continuationist I'm not anymore

00:40:23 but I was um I that's I that's how I was raised and and I was really into Piper at the time John

00:40:30 Piper and Sam Storm so I was a continuationist in that light you know not like Benny Hinn but

00:40:36 you know, but like kind of the, you know, the, the trying to be soft about it, but,

00:40:40 but eventually moved out of that. So, so I'm not saying that I've never been wrong,

00:40:45 but I think there's a difference when, um, it's, it's, and, and, and you can make a strong argument

00:40:50 like, well, you were a continuationist. Well, like, did you, you were holding the door open

00:40:54 for there being new revelation? Um, what, what kinds of evils can that breed and what is the

00:40:59 harm? And so like, you can make a strong argument like that is a big, you, you were, that's not a

00:41:04 small thing, Joel, like that, that's, that's a big, and I would say, yeah, you're right. It's

00:41:08 not a small thing. That's a big thing. So it's, it's not even so much the degree of, um, I was

00:41:13 wrong about the vaccine and told, and, and bound people's conscience to inject their bodies with

00:41:18 something that's never going to leave with this MRNA, you know, technology, it's never going to

00:41:23 leave. Uh, it's not just like, we're saying like this, this category is such a big category to me.

00:41:28 it's more so, it's not like I just was misinformed because I was following this theologian instead

00:41:36 of this theologian. No, the thing that you were following was government propaganda. The thing

00:41:41 that you were following was pharmacy. When I was a continuationist, my point is I had a biblical

00:41:50 argument for it. Now, I would look now and say it was unbiblical, but what I'm saying is I was

00:41:55 using the Bible to support my view. I really thought that the Bible said that. I really

00:42:01 believed, like, it was, you know, it seemed a lot clearer, whereas these guys, it's not just

00:42:05 this one area. The same guys who are pushing love your neighbor by getting the vax are the same guys

00:42:09 who on their Instagram account, you saw pictures of them at the BLM rallies. Their churches are

00:42:14 closed down, but they're at a BLM rally in the summer of love, you know, 2020. And so, I guess

00:42:18 for me, that would be the thing is not just are you wrong on this one thing, but over the last

00:42:23 two years like were like were you silent and and and writing articles about how now's not the time

00:42:29 to beat our chest when roe is overturned and and were you you know uh you know repeating the blm

00:42:35 you know rhetoric and you know this hobbit is getting vaccinated like at that point it's to me

00:42:41 it just shows it it's it's enough pieces of the puzzle to say like it it's a bigger picture that 0.90

00:42:47 says, yeah, this guy is just, he's a water carrier for the left. This guy's just, you know,

00:42:53 he's just a pundit. He's not a minister. Here's some unsolicited advice for if any

00:42:59 pastors out there and they were doing this and they, you know, they feel bad about it and they

00:43:03 want to make it right. I'm not telling you that, you know, you need to do these things before I

00:43:08 believe your repentance. This is just advice for how to get people to trust you again, because

00:43:12 quite frankly you betrayed their trust severely you i think what you should do if if it were me

00:43:19 i would say you know i was wrong here's exactly why i was wrong here's why i fell for it here's

00:43:27 why i won't fall for in the future because the propaganda is going to get more and more intense

00:43:33 it's it's it's it's getting worse every day and so there's going to be more propaganda that comes

00:43:37 out there's going to be a new thing and nobody knows what it's going to be people are saying

00:43:41 it's going to be the flu rona i don't know if it's going to be flu rona or something else or

00:43:44 nuclear war or whatever the whatever it is it's going to be something and so i think what you

00:43:49 need to do if you want people to trust you again again i'm not telling you how to repent you know

00:43:54 that's between you and god but if you want people to trust you again if andrew t walker wants people

00:43:58 to trust him again we need to understand how you're not going to fall for this again because

00:44:03 there's something inside of you that made you fall for this when so many people didn't a lot

00:44:09 of people did but a lot of people didn't right and so in the future when the when the government

00:44:15 comes and they've got a new snazzy thing that's super dangerous and they need you to carry water

00:44:20 for them how are you going to avoid it yeah that's good idea you know what i mean because honestly

00:44:28 all of us were sort of fooled by this corona thing for a few days at least or for a few weeks

00:44:33 or for a few months or whatever.

00:44:35 And like you said, some 900 days,

00:44:37 but like we're all fooled to some degree.

00:44:40 And I think we've all kind of done this.

00:44:42 We've all this done this diagnostic in ourselves.

00:44:44 Like, why did I get fooled by that?

00:44:47 How am I going to avoid being fooled the next time?

00:44:49 We've all done this.

00:44:50 So you need to do it,

00:44:51 especially if you published articles

00:44:54 trying to bind Christian's conscience

00:44:55 to getting the vaccine. 0.53

00:44:57 We need to, you need to undo it.

00:44:58 You can't undo it.

00:44:59 You can't go back in time,

00:45:00 but what you can do is help the people that you hurt.

00:45:03 Right.

00:45:03 No, you're exactly right. The first week when COVID dropped, our church canceled. We ended up

00:45:10 canceling four weeks, and then boom, we were right back at it. And that's when I was still

00:45:13 in California at the time, and it was very, very, very frowned upon. And we even had a plan with me

00:45:19 and my elders, what happens if police come? And if I was taken away, then the next elder was going

00:45:25 to get up and start preaching. We had a plan in place, and those kinds of things. And we only

00:45:29 missed four Lord States. That was, you know, like that was before MacArthur came out and they

00:45:33 started regathering those kinds of things. And so, you know, but the point is we still missed four

00:45:37 weeks and, and I had to tell the church, you know, I had to say something like, we're not going to do

00:45:42 church this week. And, and so what did I do? I, I recorded a 10 minute video where I exegeted

00:45:49 horribly Romans 13. And so then, and then, so then what I had to do when we started gathering

00:45:57 again is I had to preach a sermon and, and here's the deal. I instinctively was able to know by the

00:46:03 grace of God that the first 10 minutes of this sermon needs to be an apology, right? Like, why,

00:46:10 why are you going to listen to me preach? You know, now a lot of people were actually upset

00:46:14 that the church was gathering, but for those who, who, you know, were like, all right, we're here

00:46:18 now, but, but why, why do we listen to you now? You know, cause you said this thing and now you're,

00:46:23 now we're gathering, which is the opposite. And so I had to say, so you might notice that this

00:46:28 sermon is going to directly contradict what I previously said. Because a lot of guys don't do

00:46:33 that. This is the crazy thing, man. Like a lot of guys publicly, I'm talking guys with huge

00:46:37 platforms and I'm talking good guys on our team. They don't, they don't do that. Like they say one

00:46:42 thing, they realize that's wrong. They pivot. Sometimes it's a year later. Sometimes it's just

00:46:47 two weeks later. They say something that directly contradicts what they previously said. And rather

00:46:52 than actually pointing it out that it's a blatant contradiction. So you might notice that these two

00:46:57 things directly contradict and you might be wondering, well, which one's true? The thing

00:47:02 that you said yesterday or the thing that you're saying today? Well, it's the thing I'm saying

00:47:05 today because the thing I said yesterday was wrong. And guys don't do that and they lose

00:47:11 credibility. Now, sometimes the memory hole and a lot of people just forget or don't connect the

00:47:15 dots or whatever. But you're right. If you want to win back credibility and trust in those kinds

00:47:21 of things, in terms of forgiveness, you just own your sin. You just repent, right? But in terms of

00:47:26 trust, right? We've got to keep the category separate. In terms of trust and leadership

00:47:32 and credibility, it's not just, hey, he owns his mistakes, but I need to know that moving forward,

00:47:39 he's going to make fewer mistakes. And so, I need to know not just that he owned the last one,

00:47:43 but I need to know that he's aware of how he ended up getting duped last time. And so,

00:47:50 what I had to do with my church is say, so this is how I exegeted Romans 13, and this is why I did

00:47:55 it. And, you know, and I felt like part of it was I had, you know, four days, you know, before the

00:48:01 next Sunday to say church is canceled and give a reason. So I had a short window to exegete this

00:48:07 text. All the guys that I had looked to and followed in the past were saying this, I followed

00:48:12 suit, but that was wrong. I misviewed the word of God, misexegeted the word of God. And the reason

00:48:19 why it's not going to happen in the future is because now I understand the word of God better.

00:48:24 So that was my reason that I gave. So like, I think that would be awesome if Andrew T. Walker

00:48:28 and other guys, I think like, if you're thinking of what are, so what are reasons that I can say

00:48:33 for why I was deceived before, but I will be deceived less moving forward. I think one of

00:48:38 the number one reasons you can say is I had a misunderstanding of scripture, of doctrine,

00:48:45 of God's word before and something in my theology has actually changed. So not just like, well,

00:48:52 miss that one. If it's just, you know, we'll write that one off, you know, and, you know,

00:48:58 I just missed that one, but I believe all the same things I believed two years ago.

00:49:03 I have all the same doctrine, all, you know, the same hermeneutical principles, the same this,

00:49:07 the same that. Because for me, the reason why I feel confident and others following me feel

00:49:12 confident that I'm not going to shut down the church for four more weeks is not just because

00:49:16 I made a mistake and I don't want to have egg on my face again, but I actually, the whole way I

00:49:22 read scripture changed. The last two years changed everything for me. I had to, my paradigm of the

00:49:28 civil magistrate and sphere sovereignty, separation of church and state, Christ being king over all

00:49:34 things, my eschatology, everything came. When I shut down the church of Jesus Christ as a minister

00:49:40 of the gospel, shut down the church of Jesus Christ for not understanding his word, and then

00:49:47 realize that I made a mistake, I realized I've got to make some big changes. That was not a small

00:49:53 thing. That was a big deal. God, please have mercy on me. Please forgive me. But don't just forgive

00:49:59 me. Change me. Give me eyes to see. And so, I reworked all of my doctrine, all of my thinking,

00:50:06 because I had to recognize this is a big deal, what I just did. It doesn't matter that everybody

00:50:10 else did it too i did it and and there's something in the way that i view scripture something in the

00:50:16 way that i view christ and his lordship something in the way that i view caesar something in the

00:50:20 way that i i view human life and its dignity and our lives being a vapor or idolatry of you know

00:50:26 and and so i had to rethink everything that's where i became post-millennial that's where i

00:50:30 be like all these major things change and people be like dude those are some really big changes

00:50:34 yeah because sin's serious sin is serious well it was i hate to use like a word that everyone's

00:50:42 using like so you know flippantly but like to be honest it sounds to me like realizing that you

00:50:50 shut down the lord's day worship for four weeks was almost like a traumatic like man i need to

00:50:57 reevaluate things here like this this is a big deal like i'm me just a man decided to close down

00:51:05 god's worship in my assembly for four weeks and i don't want to say it like traumatize you in like

00:51:12 the lame way but like it's like almost like you know it's almost like you had like a like a look

00:51:16 in the mirror moment a come to jesus moment like what am i doing right and you got and listen that's

00:51:23 Listen, I'm glad it happened because you're seeing things a lot clearer now, and now you're a force.

00:51:29 You're not going to fall for that again.

00:51:30 I think anyone who knows you, Joel, knows that you're not going to fall for the next propaganda thing again.

00:51:35 When they tell you to shut down the church, no matter what it is, you're probably going to say no.

00:51:40 Yep.

00:51:41 Yep.

00:51:42 Yeah, I like the way Doug – 0.99

00:51:43 The Russians are going to come, and they're going to bring their H-bombs. 0.88

00:51:47 You've got to shut down your church, Joel. 0.70

00:51:49 I'm fairly sure that the answer is going to be no.

00:51:51 look we'll turn the lights off but we're still having church right yeah well and if we're gonna 0.94

00:51:55 die from h-bombs then like we might as well die while we're worshiping christ might as well do it 0.82

00:52:00 while you're worshiping amen to that that's what i'm talking about so yeah no you're i'm talking 0.99

00:52:03 you're right i remember doug wilson he came out and said like you know um i used to be a reasonable

00:52:07 man this is what he isn't you know like and he had that whole analogy you know like the sniper

00:52:11 and church gets called off by the authorities there's a sniper on the roof and and it's like

00:52:16 okay like we're immediately gonna listen to the authorities the civil magistrate because you know

00:52:19 there's a sniper on the roof. But he was like, but after six weeks in a row, and there's no,

00:52:24 like, we've never been able to actually find and capture the sniper, but the authorities have come

00:52:29 into our worship service six weeks running in a row and said, there's a sniper and you got to

00:52:32 cancel. Then eventually you say, I'm sorry, no, we're going to worship. And so Doug said, like,

00:52:38 I remember when he said, like, this should be one of the standards when you're looking for a church

00:52:42 right now, because so many people are churchless, you know, because they've just been so disappointed

00:52:47 by their previous pastors, you know, and not just with COVID and shutting down the church,

00:52:51 but then, you know, when they started meeting, they wanted, you know, the pastor didn't let

00:52:54 them sing or made them wear a mask or segregated based off of jab status or, or, uh, their pastor,

00:53:00 you know, was pushing the BLM stuff and then Roe was overturned and their pastors preached 0.68

00:53:03 against abortion, you know, and, uh, but then there's finally a win in the province of God

00:53:09 and, and there's not a word about it. And so a lot of people are churchless because they've

00:53:13 been so disappointed. And I remember Doug saying like, when you're looking for a new church and

00:53:16 you're thinking about the criteria, one of the questions you should ask that church and ask the

00:53:21 minister is, would you shut down the church for any reason? Because Doug's, and Doug is, even Doug's

00:53:26 saying, I'm going back on what I previously said. He said, like, there are reasons I would shut down

00:53:31 the church. There are, you know, like if a tsunami's coming or something, you know, like, then we need

00:53:36 to, he said, but now the answer should be no. There is no reason. And it's not because there's

00:53:42 not actually a reason hypothetically we could think of that would merit canceling church the

00:53:48 reason that the answer is always no is because um uh because we know that the people who would

00:53:54 be telling us we need to shut down the church are liars right that's why that's why you can just say

00:54:00 you don't you don't have to reway through all the data on on covid 2.0 whenever it comes you know

00:54:05 flu rona or what like the next big thing um we don't have to uh reasonably assess everything

00:54:12 we can just say no because because we don't know necessarily all the details about the thing

00:54:17 but we know the details about the people telling us about the thing and the details about those

00:54:21 people is they're liars so if they say shut down the church we say take a hike 100 i i i love that

00:54:29 Joel, the vaccine situation is was such providentially, it was such a gift because when you think about all the details there, right, like Trump is the guy who took the credit for celebrating the vaccine and he was all about it.

00:54:47 Still holding on to it. He needs to let that go to this day.

00:54:52 He's holding on to it. You're right, Joel. And and obviously Democrats love the vaccine.

00:54:57 so so it like at a time when like everything is like hyper partisan they're like oh you're just

00:55:04 you're just a maga you're just a maga that's why you're against it god gives us this gift

00:55:09 that's like a partisan propaganda or a non-partisan propaganda uh thing they're they're both loving it

00:55:16 right and so um you know we we we can't even give them the excuse it's like well you're just a

00:55:25 hyper-partisan you know things like that like they don't even have that this was just pure

00:55:29 government propaganda they were both lying to us trump was lying to us that this is the greatest

00:55:34 thing since sliced bread and the democrats they were all lying to us as well everyone was lying 0.87

00:55:39 to us the government is just a bunch of liars and we know this so this is a gift because now 0.83

00:55:45 you have to oh and listen that doesn't mean everything that they say is a lie 0.80

00:55:50 but now when they're trying to get you to do something that you know you shouldn't be doing

00:55:55 that that they don't have the authority to tell you to do that that is very radical it's very

00:56:00 radical to demand that churches do not meet i don't think we kind of i don't think we we all

00:56:05 i know you do because you kind of had a come to jesus moment over it but like i don't think we

00:56:09 all as a collectively like realize how intensely insane that was that we didn't do that we didn't

00:56:16 meet for a period yeah it's so insane and and and it was just so now we know that they're liars and

00:56:25 so anytime they try to get you to do something like stick something in your veins or do something

00:56:28 to your kids or close down your church or whatever it is you have to say no yeah because they're known 0.75

00:56:35 liars and they're not they're bipartisan liars right we we always knew that there were crooks

00:56:40 in politics but we did not know the extent of it now we do now we have no now we do no excuse as 0.97

00:56:45 george bush would have said fool me once shame on you fool me twice well the point is you're not

00:56:50 going to fool me again i believe that's exactly right so like exactly right so we know their

00:56:55 character someone says don't if someone says don't go to you know the shopping mall today

00:57:00 because there's going to be uh i don't know an air raid or something or or a tsunami or something

00:57:05 like that okay fine you don't have to go to the shopping mall i mean what's the big deal

00:57:08 you can choose to listen or you can choose to listen or not that's not a big deal but when

00:57:13 they tell you don't worship the lord don't gather with your with your with your uh congregation and

00:57:17 worship with the lord don't lay hands on the sick don't don't um don't don't don't greet each other

00:57:22 with a holy kiss and all that stuff don't sing too dangerous don't breathe too dangerous you have to

00:57:28 say no because they're known liars if they lie about not going to the shopping mall no harm no

00:57:33 fault right right if they lie about not worshiping on sunday big deal that that's that's got to be

00:57:38 the line in the sand i'll never forget this i think i may have mentioned this to you on your

00:57:41 show before but i'll never forget when uh when cross politic was interviewing jonathan lehman

00:57:47 about all this kind of stuff and um and jonathan lehman is doing the thing where he says well you

00:57:52 know eventually maybe one day we'll have to stand up to them you know but now we don't have to use

00:57:56 our cultural capital right now and and under his breath chocolate knox makes a comment he doesn't

00:58:02 actually ask him he just kind of says it under his breath but you can hear him and he says something

00:58:06 like i don't know i think worship on sunday is one of those lines you know you know what i mean

00:58:12 and it was it was i remember hearing that i was like that's exactly it that's right if this is

00:58:17 not the line you have no line right so you need to repent of that and these a lot of these guys

00:58:23 need to just straight up repent of that right and um and i think that some will and i'm very hopeful

00:58:28 that all it's going to take is a few guys like i'm hopeful for andrew t walker but i don't know

00:58:33 I'm hopeful for some other guys to come to their senses because I think once a one or two of these guys does it, as sad as this is, I think there's a lot of guys waiting in the wings, you know, lower level tier guys that just want someone to take the lead on this and to say it's okay to do this.

00:58:47 I think a lot of people will do it.

00:58:49 I think a lot of people will have their good look in the mirror moment and they'll be like, we'll never do this again under no circumstances.

00:58:56 Now, whether or not that's true or not, I don't know, but I'm just hopeful to get a big movement of that because that's what we need right now, man.

00:59:02 we need as many soldiers as we can get and as many people that are that are that know the score

00:59:08 as we can get um and so i'm i'm the kind of guy that like i'm willing to extend a lot of grace

00:59:13 even though it's 900 days later that's insane but you give me you give us a good case for why

00:59:20 you won't be duped again and you know i'm not going to say all is forgiven or forgotten but

00:59:25 but but we will we can we can lock arms again i i agree i agree and i think what we just pan out

00:59:31 and look at the bigger picture.

00:59:32 So for 900 days, did you miss COVID?

00:59:35 Okay, that's a big deal.

00:59:36 You missed it for nine.

00:59:36 Everybody missed it for like a day or two,

00:59:38 but like four weeks, right?

00:59:40 So 28 days versus 900,

00:59:42 there's quite a difference there.

00:59:45 But even with that, we can pan out like,

00:59:47 okay, so did you miss the COVID thing?

00:59:50 But did you also,

00:59:51 did you miss the total propaganda with CRT?

00:59:54 Because honestly,

00:59:55 if a guy was holding the line

00:59:57 against Black Lives Matter and saying,

00:59:59 this is just racism against white people,

01:00:01 this is just envy this is just coveting this is like the bite like if a guy was saying those

01:00:07 kinds of things in 2020 but he was but but he was missing it on COVID like I'm really compassionate

01:00:13 you know what I mean because I'm like that guy has spine that guy I've seen him make a stand

01:00:17 he's been right on some of these and he does have some measure just exactly so those are good guys

01:00:21 so so I want to because everything you're saying is so good so I'm agreeing with you and then

01:00:25 clarifying you know my position because I really did pose it as a question because I'm thinking

01:00:28 through it. What should I be telling people? The little platform that I have, people who are

01:00:34 actively right now looking for a church, should this be a deal breaker, right? Like if a guy,

01:00:39 if it took them 900 days to realize telling people that they had to get a jab in order to

01:00:44 obey Christ's commandment to love their neighbor, that's a deal breaker. And it sounds like what

01:00:48 we're arriving at is no, that is not in and of itself inherently a deal breaker, but it's a big

01:00:52 red flag. And then let's see, number one, does he own it? So that would be the first thing. Does

01:00:57 he repent? Number two, does he give a reason for why he was wrong and he won't be wrong again in

01:01:02 the future? That's something we covered. And then number three, let's pan out beyond just that one

01:01:08 issue of COVID stuff and how did he do on the woke test, right? Because there's been multiple tests

01:01:14 over the last couple of years. How do you do on the baby killing test? How's he doing on the

01:01:18 sodomy test? How's he doing on the hate white people test? There's a lot of great tests that 0.98

01:01:24 in God's providence, we've gotten all in just two and a half short years. And so, you know,

01:01:28 but if a guy's failed and you tell me if I'm being extreme here, AD, if he's failed all those tests, 0.90

01:01:33 the homo test, he's failed, he's failed the racism test, he's failed, you know what I mean? And the 0.93

01:01:38 COVID test, then I feel like let's forgive that guy if he repents on all accounts and then get

01:01:44 him a nice warm seat on the bench. Right? Yeah, I would agree. I mean, I'm laughing over here

01:01:50 because it's an embarrassment of riches it's like there's just been so many tests and and the thing

01:01:55 is a lot of these you know look covid was a new thing like nobody's ever experienced anything like

01:02:00 that before um but a lot of these are like simple tests you know what i mean like a lot of these are

01:02:05 very basic and so and even you could even argue that staying open for church is basic too i'm not

01:02:11 i'm not gonna say that that's not basic but but like if you if you just if you were just a slave

01:02:16 to the narrative right you are a slave to the government propaganda machine that is a sign that

01:02:21 you are trying to serve two masters somebody somebody that i actually really like on twitter

01:02:26 who was saying how it was ridiculous to to demand that pastors apologize for the vaccine thing

01:02:32 and and oh yeah we both retweeted that yeah yeah yeah i think i think so and i like that guy that

01:02:38 guy that guy says a lot of good things and he's he's just lamenting about why it's so it's man

01:02:42 this is a hard job and i said you know it's not hard unless you're trying to serve two masters

01:02:47 that's right it's impossible like it's not even hard it's impossible and so if you are failing

01:02:52 test after test after test after test and some of these are basic tests like don't be racist

01:02:55 against white people right how hard can it get you know if you're if you're if you're failing

01:03:00 all this you you are obviously trying to serve two masters you're just in no position to to lead the

01:03:06 church of god right you're in no position yeah and it's like you know maybe maybe in 20 years

01:03:11 you'll be in that position i doubt it but for right now you need to take a seat on the bench

01:03:16 i mean it's just that simple yeah amen and i i want to just go back for just a moment and highlight

01:03:21 a little bit what you said earlier is so good because there's just one more big point that i

01:03:25 think i don't want people to miss we're not faulting pastors for not being epidemiologists

01:03:31 like thank god for robert malone and some of those guys but man they were shadow banned and

01:03:35 suppressed and kicked off platforms so like sometimes like some of their stuff was hard to

01:03:38 find you know what i mean and like and you've got you know you've got you know and it wasn't just

01:03:43 like one doctor though to be fair like early on you had like like 200 renowned doctors coming out

01:03:50 and speaking you know so it's not like it was a bunch of quack jobs like these guys were legit

01:03:54 and they're coming out with with evidence and with strong argumentation all these kinds of things

01:03:59 and some of their argumentation was just like look we're not even saying we're not saying

01:04:02 covid is not a thing we're not saying this we're not saying that um but we're just saying this

01:04:06 this thing ivermectin ever heard of it right nobel uh winning prize you know prize winning drug

01:04:12 with like virtually no side effects and no it's not um a a horse dewarmer uh dewormer yes it has

01:04:20 been using that but this is for people and blah blah like you you know like and you know the irony

01:04:24 with that it's like well i'm not going to take medicine that's made for an animal made for a

01:04:28 horse um libs are have literally started talk about the hypocrisy they started pushing a drug

01:04:34 I forget the name of it, but they started pushing a drug for red states where Planned Parenthoods are getting shut down that women can take, pregnant women can take, that'll kill their baby in their womb because they can't get a legal abortion in their state. 0.78

01:04:47 And it's a drug that's made for animals.

01:04:50 So the libs making fun of conservatives for taking horse dewormers are now saying, take this other horse pill, not to save a life, but to end one.

01:05:02 So anyways, all that being said, like, no, nobody's faulting pastors for not being epidemiologists and, and even having, you know, it being a little fuzzy.

01:05:09 I didn't know the government was that corrupt.

01:05:11 I knew there were problems, but I didn't know that corrupt.

01:05:13 I think what, what you're saying that keeps standing out to me is you're saying, look, here's the line, shutting down church.

01:05:19 That's, that's the line because, because when the Spanish flu rolled around in, in 18, you know, or 1918 or whatever it was, it was about a hundred years before COVID stuff.

01:05:31 But I read up on some of that.

01:05:33 The government, number one, they did not mandate anything.

01:05:36 They asked churches and pastors.

01:05:39 They asked them if they would cancel their services, and they canceled for three weeks. 1.00

01:05:44 And that was the Spanish flu, which was no respecter of persons. 0.60

01:05:47 This was not just killing 86-year-olds.

01:05:49 Sure, this was a legitimate disease.

01:05:51 Yeah, yeah.

01:05:52 And it would take a 17-year-old right alongside it, and at the same ratio, at the same proportion.

01:05:58 But it was three weeks, and they were asked by the government if churches would shut down. 0.62

01:06:05 And I can't help but think, I don't just think it was because, oh, these Neanderthals 100 years ago didn't understand the dangerous potential of germs. 0.78

01:06:16 They didn't have the scientific theology or technology. 0.62

01:06:19 I don't think that it was due, that they treated it differently.

01:06:23 They handled the situation differently 100 years ago.

01:06:25 I don't think it's because they were primitive in the realm of science.

01:06:29 I think it's because they were premier in the realm of doctrine.

01:06:34 They knew ecclesiology.

01:06:36 They knew the Lord's day, gathering and meeting with the risen Christ and the sacraments and

01:06:41 the word rightly preached, that that was a big deal.

01:06:45 And that missing the Lord's day, the saints being barred from the table of the Lord, his

01:06:50 body, his blood, they knew that that is dangerous.

01:06:55 that that had you know and and they were unwilling and i so i can't help but think like if it was just

01:07:01 a matter of like a pastor come you know pastors uh not knowing epidemiology or not knowing all

01:07:07 the dotted i's and cross t's of the government or or constitutional law or you know there was a lot

01:07:12 of things that we were all trying to brush up on in like 15 minutes and i understand and sympathize

01:07:17 with pastors because i was one of them trying to to quickly learn all these things that i should

01:07:21 have already known. But the thing is, it's not, pastors didn't just shut down their churches

01:07:27 because they didn't know epidemiology and so they trusted the experts. They shut down their

01:07:32 churches because I'm afraid it's because they didn't know ecclesiology and they didn't believe

01:07:37 the promises of God that Christ uniquely meets with his people on the Lord's day when they're

01:07:43 gathered together to administer the ordinary means of grace. And that this is one of the primary

01:07:48 means by which he preserves the soul, which is of more value than the body. It just revealed that

01:07:56 we don't know what the church is. We don't know who Christ is. And all the stuff we talk about,

01:08:03 about eternity and the soul, we're idolaters. We really love this life more than we love the

01:08:11 life to come. There's some severe deficiencies. There's no question about it. I mean,

01:08:15 if you nobody's going to fault you for for not understanding that you know the the nuances of

01:08:20 you know constitutional law epidemiology all that stuff but we we need to examine ourselves when the

01:08:27 default isn't all right i'm going to stay open until i get up to speed on this right and then

01:08:32 maybe we'll figure it out and then maybe we'll maybe we'll shut down for a week or two whatever

01:08:36 but no the default was we're going to shut down and you know maybe never reopen because some

01:08:42 church has never reopened you know and so and so that that's the thing it's like we got to really

01:08:46 look inside ourselves and like why is it that we know how important church is because a lot of these

01:08:52 people that did this they've written books about the gathering and how important it is right so

01:08:57 weird about lehman he's he is the gathering guy exactly so so that guy knows what the bible says

01:09:04 about gatherings and all it took was the government to say no no shut down it's too dangerous he's

01:09:10 like just yes sir instantly there's something in him he needs to examine why he hears the voice of

01:09:15 god and then he hears the voice of the state and that takes precedent instantly right right that's

01:09:21 that's something you do and it's the same thing with the vaccines because that's what we initially

01:09:24 started talking about it's like why why do we understand the law of god so poorly as to pretend

01:09:31 like uh injecting yourself with a chemical is a is part of god's law like that's that you have to

01:09:37 do it an unknown chemical why do we understand god's law so poorly that why is the default like

01:09:44 oh yeah who i don't even know where the love your neighbor meme started but it started somewhere

01:09:48 why why is when the first time you heard getting the vaccine is a way to love your neighbor

01:09:52 why did so many people go oh yeah that sounds right like why was that why were the brakes

01:09:57 not pumped you need to look inside yourself i can't figure that out for andrew t walker he

01:10:01 needs to figure that out for himself you know and i think that they i think a lot of guys will

01:10:05 And at least I'm hopeful that they will.

01:10:07 And if they don't, that's okay too,

01:10:09 because God does a lot of good things,

01:10:10 even with small numbers.

01:10:12 Right.

01:10:13 And fortunately, like with the law of God

01:10:14 in terms of the vaccine,

01:10:16 fortunately, you're right.

01:10:18 And everybody, you know, Russell Moore and guys

01:10:21 who are, you know, like we have an obligation,

01:10:22 this is how we love our neighbor and blah, blah, blah.

01:10:24 Fortunately for them, they're wrong

01:10:27 because if they're exegesis of the law of God

01:10:30 and what it means to love our neighbor

01:10:32 and not do him physical harm,

01:10:34 I mean, that that includes, you know, 17 steps between me and my neighbor that might harm it, right?

01:10:39 Because that's the thing is it becomes more indirect, you know, because then you could just not do anything.

01:10:45 So fortunately for those people, they're wrong because by their same logic, we could say, okay, let's track how many people got SADS, sudden adult death syndrome.

01:10:58 how many people died and that we can track to the vaccine and then,

01:11:02 and then how many of them got the vaccine because you motivated them and bound

01:11:06 their conscience. Like, so, so you're a murderer. 0.92

01:11:10 That's right. You know what I mean? Like it works both ways. 0.98

01:11:13 So it's like, you didn't get the vaccine and, and you know,

01:11:15 somebody got COVID. Okay.

01:11:18 You told people to get the vaccine and the vaccine killed them. Right.

01:11:22 Like this, like, you know what I mean? Like, so that's a, so, you know.

01:11:25 It cuts both ways. Yeah, you're right. A hundred percent.

01:11:27 So, all right, man, any, any final thoughts? I think this has been good.

01:11:31 This has been really good. Yeah. I don't have any final thoughts. And I just, I think I totally

01:11:36 understand people that are like, man, it's 900 days later. Like, you know, how could you ever

01:11:42 trust them again? And I think that I just want to caution everybody. Like I'm, I'm the first guy

01:11:49 out there that talks about how pastors shouldn't whine about how hard their job is. Like, I'm the

01:11:53 first guy to say that whenever someone does i say okay so quit you know good riddance you know i

01:11:58 don't i don't care their job is hard though i'm gonna say that and um and i think that um if we

01:12:08 get guys out here that are that are coherently you know you know repenting and they do what we've

01:12:15 talked about here where they're like man like this is how i'm never going to be duped again like i

01:12:19 was lied to i should have known i didn't but i will know next time because they're lying to me

01:12:25 all the time they're still lying right they're still doing it right you know what i mean so i

01:12:30 think that i think that we should extend as much grace as possible i'm not saying you have to go

01:12:33 to these guys churches because there's plenty of good churches out there that didn't fall for this

01:12:37 for very long so i'm not saying you had to go to you know andrew t walker's church just i'm just

01:12:41 we're picking on him but the reason i'm picking on him because i think i want to put pressure on

01:12:45 you're picking on him because he's he's the worst but he's the best of the worst he's he's in the

01:12:50 worst category but he's the best of the worst i i i agree he's on a good he's on good company with

01:12:56 this vaccine stuff yeah because every time every time i've been positively mentioning andrew to

01:13:00 walker because he's been saying some pretty awesome stuff really cool um in my opinion i'll

01:13:05 have to follow him yeah you yeah i would suggest it because he's saying stuff that a lot of people

01:13:10 in big eva aren't saying and he is in big eva 100 he's totally big eva anyway um but but anyway

01:13:17 my point though is that like i'm not saying you have to go to his church i'm not saying you have

01:13:20 to listen to everything he says but i would say extend grace if someone like that comes out and

01:13:24 says you know man i should have done that right you know any any can coherently explain why and

01:13:29 all that um because i i don't think look god doesn't need any of us but i would it would be

01:13:34 awesome to have more soldiers out here you know you know and listen a soldier that was like you

01:13:40 said fool me once shame on you know shame on you fool me twice you're not gonna fool me twice shame

01:13:46 on me George Bush botched the same but yeah go ahead well I but I like that I like the point is

01:13:51 you're not gonna fool me again I like that though because because that can be an effective soldier

01:13:56 you know what I mean yes I think it can be so well because I'm that soldier just for the record you

01:14:01 You know, people think like, oh man, you know, Joel's hardcore and that's why we follow him,

01:14:04 you know, like, but I just, as the Lord expands my influence and uses me and stuff, I want

01:14:11 to try to be that guy who's, you know, not self-sabotaging and, you know, and flogging

01:14:18 myself, you know, and never experiencing God's grace and moving on.

01:14:21 But I do, I want to be the guy who tells the whole story.

01:14:24 You know what I mean?

01:14:25 Like there's some leaders who are just like, they've got spine, they've got gravitas, they've

01:14:30 got virtue, you know. But like one of the reasons they're like so high and lifted up on this

01:14:37 pedestal and like they're awe-inspiring, but they're not... Nobody feels like they'll ever

01:14:45 be able to be like them, right? They don't feel real.

01:14:48 They don't feel real. And they don't feel real because they don't tell the whole story.

01:14:53 They don't tell the whole story. You see what they are now and you see what they want you to see,

01:14:58 but they won't tell you the whole story. They won't go, you know, rewind the track and go back

01:15:04 and say, hey, for the record, I did close my church like everyone else. Now, here's the

01:15:10 difference though. The difference is it was for four weeks and not four months and we never

01:15:14 closed it again. And when I opened the door, I owned it. I apologized. It's recorded. You can

01:15:20 go and watch the sermon where I apologize. And I didn't just apologize for getting it wrong.

01:15:25 I was able to articulate exegetically how I got it wrong and, and my, my new exegesis that is

01:15:32 actually biblically faithful that will keep me from getting it wrong in the future. Like, but

01:15:37 there's not a lot of guys like that. Every guy who's solid is solid. He didn't, he wasn't born

01:15:44 out of the womb solid. He became solid by doing exactly what I just described. And I guess I just

01:15:50 wish some of these guys would, would tell the story every once in a while of, of, of the process

01:15:56 of, of how God sanctified them to that. Like everybody has a track record of getting some

01:16:01 things wrong. Like, like, you know, if you think baptizing infants is right, well, guess what?

01:16:06 Doug used to be wrong then, right? Because he was like, he was a Baptist pastor. He had to change

01:16:12 in that. And he lost every single elder in the church when he made that change. And you know

01:16:17 what I mean? Like, like nobody just starts with all, all their ducks in a row. And so I think

01:16:22 it's helpful to, to, to, to tell the whole story, not in every podcast, not every sermon,

01:16:29 not, you know what I mean? Like, but, but from time to time, like, we're not just picking on

01:16:33 the guys who are 900 days late and saying, we were never late. My argument is not that I knew

01:16:39 all these things. My argument is I missed it too. But, but, but it took me 28 days by the grace of

01:16:46 God, and if it took you 900 days, in the same way that I had to give an explanation, I had to give 0.78

01:16:52 an account for my 28 days of stupidity, man, I want to see a heck of an account for that 900 days 1.00

01:16:59 of stupidity. You know what I mean? I think that's almost fair. Maybe it's because I just got back 1.00

01:17:03 from the Fight Laugh Feast Conference, or maybe I'm just a big softie, but I have a lot of hope

01:17:07 that this is going to happen at some level. I don't know how many people, but I think there's

01:17:11 going to be some big names. As more information comes out, I think they're going to do it, and

01:17:15 I'm hopeful, man. I'm hopeful it's going to be like a tidal wave after that. So we'll see.

01:17:20 Amen. All right, AD, thanks for coming on the show, man. Appreciate it.

01:17:24 God bless you, man.

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The NXR Podcast - October 18, 2022

THEOLOGY APPLIED - Still Waiting On Big Eva’s Apology For Covid Manipulation w AD Robles

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