The NXR Podcast - THEOLOGY APPLIED - Still Waiting On Big Eva’s Apology For Covid Manipulation w AD Robles

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00:00:18.040 All right, welcome to another episode of Theology Applied. I'm your host,

00:00:21.040 Pastor Joel Webbin with Right Response Ministries, and I'm pleased to announce

00:00:24.280 in this episode, my special guest is A.D. Robles. He is joining us now for the

00:00:29.540 116th time. It's not that high, but he's been on the show several times because he's a friend,

00:00:35.440 because he has courage, because he loves Jesus, he knows scripture, and he calls out

00:00:40.480 just the absolute ridiculousness that we often find in Big Eva and with our politicians and our

00:00:48.000 culture today. So what we're talking about in this episode is we're talking about the bombshell

00:00:54.120 of the Pfizer vaccine, we had a high up Pfizer vaccine executive come out and say, well,

00:01:01.720 we didn't even test, not at all. We did not even test the vaccine's ability to stop transmission

00:01:09.400 before rolling out to the general public, which means when Russell Moore said, hey,

00:01:15.360 you should love your neighbor by getting the vaccine. The vaccine was not tested at all in

00:01:21.120 its ability to love your neighbor. It was not tested in its ability to stop or even slow

00:01:27.100 transmission of the virus to your neighbor, which means all the pastors and all the seminary

00:01:32.880 presidents and all the theologians who came out, every person professing the name of Christ who

00:01:38.080 came out and bound the consciences of Christians saying, you should get the vaccine because Jesus

00:01:42.740 commands you to love your neighbor and that means getting vaccinated. All those people need

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00:02:53.540 Applying God's Word to every aspect of life. This is Theology Applied.

00:03:04.840 Welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied. I am your host, Pastor Joel Webbin

00:03:08.960 with Right Response Ministries, and I am pleased to have returning now for, I think, like the 73rd

00:03:16.900 time. We've got A.D. Robles with the Right Response Ministries Network. No, I'm just kidding. We're

00:03:21.700 fight, laugh, peace. But I feel like he's an honorary member of our ministry here. A.D.,

00:03:26.360 thanks for coming on the show, man. You're welcome. I'm glad to be here.

00:03:30.060 Cool. So we actually got to see each other in person for just a brief minute, and I got to

00:03:35.660 talked to ad for five maybe seven minutes but i got to talk to his son for a good you know two

00:03:41.820 and a half hours no i'm just kidding no his son faked an asthma attack so that dad would have to

00:03:47.160 go get an inhaler so he could buy more time to tell me about the zoo remember that so okay so

00:03:52.900 that's your oldest what's his name uh aj adam jr okay cool yeah so he yeah he he loves that's

00:03:59.600 his favorite thing to talk about different features of animals and things like that that's

00:04:04.000 his favorite thing he nailed it so like his little brothers were keeping mom preoccupied and so like

00:04:09.880 ad it was funny he was like you can talk to mr joel but you you know you've got a you're gonna

00:04:14.600 tell him a couple things and then and then dad and joel are gonna talk but he like it was he was

00:04:20.120 so systematic he like went through each section of the like we were in asia and then africa and

00:04:25.980 then the you know amphibians and and reptiles it was really cool like and he knew a lot of facts it

00:04:31.300 It was like a couple of times I chimed in, but I got corrected multiple times for not

00:04:36.800 knowing my facts.

00:04:38.500 So, all right.

00:04:39.040 So anyways, let's go ahead and dive in.

00:04:40.800 So I was thinking this has been in the Twitterverse a little while I've been commenting on it.

00:04:44.720 You've been commenting on it because it's just one more example in the providence of

00:04:49.280 God of revealing Big Eva's hypocrisy.

00:04:54.020 And we all get it wrong, right?

00:04:56.440 We all get things wrong and we have to backtrack, you know, God humbles us from time to time.

00:05:01.300 Um, but the problem is that I haven't really seen a lot of guys actually take opportunity,

00:05:07.960 uh, for humility, right?

00:05:10.200 I'm not seeing guys walking back.

00:05:11.320 So for anybody who's wondering what I'm talking about, what I'm talking about is, um, I'm

00:05:14.760 just going to read a little bit here.

00:05:15.800 So I, I don't, you know, so I get the facts, right.

00:05:17.820 But, uh, basically, uh, during a hearing of, uh, the European union's COVID-19 response,

00:05:24.440 Pfizer's, uh, president of international developed markets, Janine Small admitted that

00:05:30.980 its vaccine had never been tested before its release to the general public on its ability

00:05:36.920 to prevent the transmission of COVID.

00:05:40.860 So Janine Small, she's the president of International Developed Markets.

00:05:45.800 Under oath, she admitted that the vaccine, the Pfizer vaccine, had never, not it was

00:05:51.800 under-tested or never been tested before its release to the general public in regards to

00:05:59.940 its ability to prevent the transmission of COVID. And so if you're wondering, so what are the dots

00:06:06.760 you're connecting here? What's the point you're trying to make? The point is this. I was told,

00:06:10.900 I don't know about you, AD, but I was told that in order to love my neighbor, I needed to get

00:06:16.560 vaxxed. But apparently the Pfizer vaccine was not tested at all in regards to its ability to love

00:06:25.180 one's neighbor right so what do we do with that what what are some of your thoughts on that

00:06:30.940 well i'll say i'll say this i i am i am actually surprised that she said it wasn't tested at all

00:06:39.280 for that because because the thing is the lie that we we knew it was a lie that they did all

00:06:44.940 of the normal testing and all the normal you know approvals and everything because that's what they

00:06:49.480 were saying they were saying we know this is exactly we did everything we normally do that's

00:06:53.060 obviously not true because normally it takes years for something to get approved or whatever

00:06:57.000 and whether that's right or wrong that's not really the point the point is it's not that

00:07:00.440 it wasn't the same approvals that was a lie we kept getting um but um but i am a little bit

00:07:06.380 surprised that it was so blatantly we didn't even we didn't even test it you know what i mean because

00:07:11.500 didn't didn't the did not the pfizer ceo say at one point that they had like a hundred percent

00:07:16.620 efficiency and in in stopping transmission. Like, I don't remember. I can't remember. So I don't I

00:07:23.920 don't want to quote that. I don't want to say that. But but but but I but I seem to remember

00:07:27.960 something like that. And it's like, okay, whatever. So but here's my thoughts, though.

00:07:35.380 I actually don't even care about any of this. Because even if it was totally effective at

00:07:41.080 stopping transmission, and it was totally awesome, it was like the greatest vaccine of all time.

00:07:46.620 the love your neighbor thing it's still inappropriate it's still it's still not

00:07:52.220 god's law to get the vaccine so like honestly like this just makes it so much more apparent

00:07:58.360 so much more obvious like you you change god's law for a lie but it wouldn't have been good even

00:08:04.540 if they changed it for something that was true you know what i mean right yeah yeah i'm grateful

00:08:11.420 for it i'm grateful for it because this puts the egg on their face even that much more right exactly

00:08:15.180 So, yeah, so I guess it was his name's Rob Roos, R-O-O-S is his last name, but he's an

00:08:23.040 EU parliamentarian, Rob Roos.

00:08:25.520 He's the guy who exposed an alleged misinformation.

00:08:28.100 They're saying alleged in this article, but misinformation campaign by Pfizer with the

00:08:32.840 release of his video tweet today.

00:08:35.440 In it, he called the actions criminal, scandalous, and a cheap lie.

00:08:39.620 Her response under oath, and this is a quotation, when he presses her and says, yes or no,

00:08:45.180 did the Pfizer vaccine, was it actually tested in its ability to stop transmission?

00:08:50.720 She said, regarding the question around, did we know about stopping immunization before it

00:08:56.660 entered the market? No. Small replied. And then let's see, she picks back up. She continued,

00:09:03.380 we really had to move at the speed of science, the speed of science to really understand what

00:09:11.680 is taking place in the market. So yeah, I don't know, man. I think my problem is just, you're

00:09:19.300 right. Like it's not in God's law that you got to get vaccinated. But there's just, there's so

00:09:24.100 many things with that. God's law does talk about, all right, so there aren't vaccines in the Old

00:09:28.980 Testament, all right? Because I'm just hearing, you know, like play the devil's advocate. I'm

00:09:32.080 hearing our, you know, the trolls coming out in the comments already on YouTube, you know,

00:09:37.120 saying like, well, there are no vaccines. And so, okay, God's law, what we have is we have

00:09:41.620 10 moral commandments and then we have civil codes, right? We have case law.

00:09:45.920 Some of the closest examples that I could get to would be like Exodus chapter 21. I could bring it

00:09:50.920 up, but I'll look for it. But basically Exodus chapter 21 talks about an ox that's accustomed

00:09:57.140 to gore. You know that passage, Eddie?

00:09:59.560 Sure, sure.

00:10:00.800 And it says like, if you have an ox that's accustomed to gore in the past, let's see,

00:10:05.040 let me find it. The first part of the chapter has to do with slavery. Then it goes to restitution,

00:10:13.060 which I've gotten in trouble with you before talking about slavery. So we'll just stick to

00:10:16.520 oxen on this episode. Okay. I don't remember that, but hey.

00:10:21.480 It was the Examining Moscow crew, remember? I didn't get in trouble because I'm a big deal.

00:10:26.540 They just used me as a pawn to get to Doug Wilson. So they're like, this is the product

00:10:30.460 of Doug Wilson's discipleship.

00:10:32.220 Now I remember, yes.

00:10:34.420 And it's like, and the funniest part about it was,

00:10:36.960 the only reason they even saw it

00:10:38.320 is because the title of that episode

00:10:39.740 was A Defense of Doug Wilson.

00:10:41.400 And I thought like,

00:10:42.060 I put myself in Doug Wilson's shoes for a second.

00:10:43.900 I thought, he probably feels like a dad

00:10:46.980 when his like three-year-old son goes out to defend him.

00:10:50.460 He's like, that's sweet son.

00:10:51.820 I appreciate the attempt,

00:10:53.060 but you're actually just making it harder.

00:10:55.780 Like I was trying, you know,

00:10:56.760 I was trying to make a good argument for Doug Wilson

00:10:58.460 and I just got him in more trouble.

00:10:59.680 But anyways, here it is. So this is Exodus 21 verse 28. It says, when an ox gores a man or a

00:11:05.560 woman to death, the ox shall be stoned and its flesh shall not be eaten, right? You don't get

00:11:10.860 to benefit from it. You lose the ox. But the owner of the ox shall not be liable. But if the ox has

00:11:17.120 been accustomed to gore in the past, which right there means that if they were following the law

00:11:23.520 of God, the ox should have already been stoned if it gored in the past. So this is a guy who's

00:11:27.240 already broken the law of God. He has an ox that's gored. Somehow he got away and kept the ox.

00:11:33.260 It's been accustomed to gore in the past and its owner has been warned, but has not kept it in,

00:11:39.420 right? So the owner is responsible for some kind of fence, some kind of barrier to keep the ox in

00:11:44.800 to make sure it doesn't get out. He hasn't kept it in. He's failed in that responsibility and it

00:11:49.500 gets out and kills a man or a woman, the ox shall be stoned and its owner also, also shall be put

00:11:57.400 to death. And so my point is, you know, we got, we got case law, these civil codes in the old

00:12:03.060 Testament, and they all pretty much every single one of them, not even pretty much all of them,

00:12:07.260 we can track back to one or more of the 10 commandments. So, so I would say the sixth

00:12:12.180 commandment, thou shall not murder, put stated in the positive light would be thou shalt not do

00:12:17.760 any harm, physical harm to your neighbor, or the positive would be like, thou shalt esteem and

00:12:23.540 defend and protect the sanctity of human life made in the image of God. So we have a moral

00:12:28.840 obligation to protect human life and to not do harm or destruction and certainly murder to our

00:12:36.980 neighbor. And that does affect not just walking up to our neighbor and stabbing him in the chest

00:12:41.620 with a knife, but that does affect something in regards to like an ox, right? There could be a

00:12:47.520 passive, indirect way of harming my neighbor because there's something that I had knowledge

00:12:53.360 about. I was warned, right? That's key in the text too. If he's been warned. And so it's like,

00:12:58.900 we've been warned. There's this virus going around. We've been warned that it's contagious.

00:13:02.480 We've been warned that it is very dangerous and can be deadly for certain groups of people like

00:13:07.780 the elderly, all those. So I, you know, I remember when, this was like two weeks after, you know,

00:13:12.500 COVID broke on the scene, it's still in March of 2020. And this was the text that I was using to

00:13:17.160 think through it. And I was thinking through that and thinking, okay, but there's, are there

00:13:22.460 other ways, I guess my question is, are there other ways of keeping the ox hemmed in? Are there

00:13:27.140 other ways for, in the case of the virus, applying that to another case, are there other ways besides

00:13:34.360 lockdowns besides a mask besides a vaccine because because what's not in the text is it

00:13:40.660 doesn't say you have to build this type of fence out of these materials this many feet high that's

00:13:47.540 no it's just just keeping the ox somehow and if the ox does get out so I would feel like the

00:13:53.540 equivalent would be like if if someone actually gets the virus and it can be proven in a court

00:13:59.020 of law that it that it came from you and it resulted in this individual's death and although

00:14:03.540 you know what i mean like there'd have to be so much to substantiate that you actually had some

00:14:07.840 moral responsibility and the whole thing that we were pushing back at the time was just saying

00:14:12.080 number one we don't think covid is nearly as bad as people are making it sound um the elderly

00:14:17.000 there's only a small portion yes people are are dying with covid and some may be from covid but

00:14:24.460 it's one small sliver of the population these individuals could quarantine right while the

00:14:30.180 rest of us live our lives, not foolishly, but live our lives. And so for me, it's just, it was

00:14:35.220 way too much to make a biblical argument that you must put this untested, right? It's like,

00:14:43.180 oh, it's been tested, not long-term. It hasn't been around long-term. There's no way to...

00:14:47.380 Yeah, that was a lie from the beginning.

00:14:48.720 Exactly. So to say you have to put, and then when it went to children, you have to inject

00:14:53.460 um an unknown substance without any long-term testing um in your own children or or your

00:15:01.840 murderer you're killing grandma go ahead right right well well that's just it i mean with it

00:15:08.580 with the oxen this is that's a to me this is a case law that's talking about like sort of like

00:15:14.020 reckless endangerment like reckless behavior in general so if you have a if you have a dog or an

00:15:20.600 ox and it's just a violent ox it's a violent dog you know and you know you you you choose to not

00:15:26.860 really take care of it or really you know oh i just love little sparky he's a great dog like if

00:15:31.440 that's your choice and then that dog goes and kills someone that's your responsibility that's

00:15:35.160 reckless of you but the thing is like people started to try to make existing reckless like

00:15:42.120 existing and breathing air became reckless right going to the store became reckless you know

00:15:48.340 wanting to go see your grandparents became reckless and you can't,

00:15:52.040 you can't do that. That's that, that like, that's,

00:15:53.960 that's an abuse of that particular text. And so, you know, if somebody's,

00:15:58.360 if somebody has, you know, COVID or some kind of disease or any,

00:16:01.860 any sickness and they go,

00:16:03.480 they decide to go to an old folks home and cough on all the elderly, you know,

00:16:08.320 yeah, that's a problem. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's dangerous.

00:16:11.220 That's something that they should be prosecuted for.

00:16:13.140 But if you're just existing and an old person walks past you and

00:16:18.220 somehow catches covid that it's very different it's very different you're right um by the way

00:16:24.640 before we continue i just want to make this point i was right dr albert borla this chairman and ceo

00:16:31.500 pfizer in 2020 uh said on on on tv that uh their vaccine had a above 90 effective rate

00:16:42.500 at preventing covid wow i mean this this is this is this is what what does that mean right that's

00:16:51.440 probably where the loophole is but no no i'm saying you're right like preventing uh no that

00:16:55.640 that's that would mean um that it can't be transmitted to you it's not because it was only

00:17:00.660 afterwards that they that they backpedaled and and reworked their rhetoric to say oh well vaccines

00:17:05.400 were never about you know preventing covid um or or stopping the transmission it's just about you

00:17:10.820 know so that your symptoms are more mild you know and then people are still dying with a vaccine and

00:17:15.680 you know it's like that person would have died so much harder if they weren't vaccinated thank

00:17:19.400 goodness that dead person was vaccinated and this is the thing right because these vaccines are

00:17:25.400 somewhat mysterious you know and i don't mean like um like they're magical or whatever but like

00:17:30.720 the common man like you and i we don't understand exactly how to make one we don't understand the

00:17:35.420 manufacturing process. That's above our pay grade, right? So to demand that we inject this

00:17:43.380 into our system is nothing like demanding that you lock up your dangerous pit bull that's already

00:17:49.500 bitten somebody. That's completely different. You don't have to be a genius to understand that

00:17:56.000 your pit bull who's bitten someone in the past, you need to be locked away and needs to be chained

00:18:01.060 so that they don't bite someone again it's different than a vaccine a vaccine is completely

00:18:05.920 different and and not to mention the fact that there's just so many other you know moral and

00:18:10.720 ethical decisions that have to be made for any of these vaccines or any of these treatments like

00:18:15.680 it's just so complicated and yet we were told that our christian faithfulness our christian

00:18:21.260 witness our our morality our obedience to christ was hanging in the balance if we didn't get the

00:18:26.420 vaccine and it was all propaganda at the end of the day it was all based on a lie right no i

00:18:34.020 completely agree there was one guy on twitter that i saw today the day that we're recording this

00:18:38.800 who came out and i don't even know if he's a christian but um i never heard of him before but

00:18:44.200 i he's i don't know i think he had a blue check you know so whatever that means you know but

00:18:48.580 he had you know like 30 000 followers or something like that like it wasn't just a guy with like two

00:18:52.400 followers on twitter he's official yeah he's official in some capacity official for what um

00:18:57.380 official official who knows according to who i you know i don't know those answers but um but

00:19:02.800 anyways like he just said um he said well uh uh officially i was wrong um uh about you know loving

00:19:10.960 your neighbor by getting the vac uh vaccine he said there's um there's a whole bunch of people

00:19:16.320 that i need to apologize uh to yeah and it was like it was really refreshing you know and and

00:19:22.780 you just read the comments and like twitter is like you know people aren't particularly kind

00:19:27.400 on twitter you know and i'm not particularly kind on twitter you know like most of the people there's

00:19:32.040 plenty of people on twitter that i could be kind to but you you on twitter it's kind of you know

00:19:35.800 you're mainly engaging people who disagree with you sure and so yeah you know but everyone on on

00:19:40.440 this particular tweet was like you know really you know really positive like thanks man you know

00:19:46.420 appreciate that good on you you know like and I just remember thinking like um why can't Russell

00:19:53.100 Moore do that you know like why can't like I remember seeing you know the picture of him like

00:19:57.920 this hobbit is getting his um his vaccine you remember that I'll never forget that

00:20:02.860 wish wish we could forget it but you know but it was like and he was and he wasn't doing that like

00:20:10.080 like it's like we know his purpose he he he outright said you know but that in his rhetoric

00:20:15.900 but then even in just in that image you know it was you i'm an evangelical leader and you should

00:20:22.820 be doing this too this is a moral thing this is a moral good that i'm doing right like you know

00:20:28.720 you're putting it on social media because you you you think it's a moral good that you're performing

00:20:34.340 and that others you know should fall in your footsteps and and and if anyone thinks i'm

00:20:38.740 reading into the picture too much. Like, just go back and look at some of the things that he

00:20:41.980 verbatim said. Like, he very much... Yeah, you're not.

00:20:44.720 Yeah, his position was that Christians, out of love for neighbor, should get a jab. And one of

00:20:51.500 the high up jab execs just said, we did not test this whatsoever in regards to its love for neighbor

00:21:00.060 ability. Right. Because that was the whole case.

00:21:03.620 That was the whole case.

00:21:04.320 That transmission for your neighbor. That was the whole case. Yeah. Well, you don't have to,

00:21:07.820 I mean, that picture was especially embarrassing in my opinion, but he definitely you're right.

00:21:13.160 He definitely wrote it. And lots of guys were writing stuff like this.

00:21:16.820 And I and I and I wonder sometimes some of these guys throw around love your neighbor without really thinking about what they're saying, because what they are saying is that it's a part of the law of God.

00:21:26.360 That's what Jesus said. Love your neighbor as yourself meant.

00:21:28.920 So I think some people throw that around and it's just it's just a slogan to them.

00:21:33.540 But there are some guys but that know exactly what they're saying.

00:21:36.460 And I think one of those guys is someone that I addressed in a video today, the day we're recording this.

00:21:42.380 His name is Andrew T. Walker.

00:21:44.060 He's an ethics professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

00:21:48.360 So as an ethics professor, he knows exactly what he's saying when he says it's about neighbor love.

00:21:53.740 It's loving your neighbor as yourself.

00:21:56.020 And he said that about the vaccine.

00:21:59.140 Now, Andrew, I think, he's been pretty base lately, in my opinion.

00:22:04.060 he's been he's been saying taking some stands that that no one in big eve was taking and i

00:22:08.460 gotta applaud him for that and i gotta get his back for that and i think out of everyone who

00:22:13.180 has said this ridiculous thing that this is a matter of loving your neighbor as yourself

00:22:17.320 andrew t walker could be a leader in apologizing for that and you don't need to apologize to me

00:22:23.060 i was never going to listen to you but there were people that did right right there were people that

00:22:27.780 did and and and and i think that you're um i don't know why he went this way why he was so

00:22:35.960 excited to turn government propaganda into christian law i don't know why was it fear was

00:22:41.640 it you know i don't know but i think if if anyone has the moral fortitude to change direction and

00:22:47.620 to say look i was wrong on this one uh it would be andrew t walker so i i'm just i'm just name

00:22:52.560 dropping him here because i want to increase the pressure on him because i think he's already said

00:22:56.900 you know maybe i should re-examine some of that stuff publicly um good for him you really need to

00:23:02.580 because now that now that it's coming out that the vaccine didn't do any good and may have hurt

00:23:08.580 as well because i think i think that data is forthcoming there's still there's we have a lot

00:23:14.240 of anecdotes that the vaccine has hurt people but we don't have a lot of hard hard data but that's

00:23:19.500 coming i think i've seen some stuff lately that that kind of indicates that there's there's

00:23:23.900 something going on you got steve days do you know steve days from the blaze yeah oh oh yeah like

00:23:28.260 he's coming out with the fourth reich is his new book and that's going to be coming out soon where

00:23:32.000 he like calls for a new nuremberg trial basically on on all the vaccines but he's been tracking a

00:23:38.280 lot of stuff and other guys have been tracking a lot of data like if you just look we don't you're

00:23:42.260 right we don't have the hard facts but what we do have is general things like um like how how many

00:23:46.820 heart attacks in young men you know under the age of 40 do we have um in a typical month you know

00:23:53.440 in a typical year. Right, like excess heart attacks, like, you know, you have a certain

00:23:56.800 amount of heart attacks as a baseline, and then how many excess, right, right, right. And then

00:24:00.220 it's like shoots through the roof, you know, or like people are saying like, oh, we have this

00:24:03.520 thing SADS, you know, it's been around forever, S-A-D-S, right, like, you know, SIDS, right,

00:24:08.200 every parent's like nightmare, like sudden infant, right, like sudden infant death syndrome, but

00:24:13.900 also, you know, everybody's probably heard about SIDS, right, and everybody's also heard about SADS,

00:24:19.340 right? Sudden adult death syndrome. You know, that's, that's been around for decades. No,

00:24:24.940 no, it hasn't. Like, like a two years. Right. And even with the SIDS thing, you know, and this is

00:24:30.540 like, and this is crazy as a parent, cause I didn't do all these things right. Like the last

00:24:34.000 two years we've been, my wife and I rethinking everything. Like, like, are we going to get

00:24:37.820 vaccines for, you know, like, like, are we going to get 17 vaccines every, every month for the

00:24:44.500 first, you know, 12 years of our kid's life. You know what I mean? They put them on this regimen

00:24:49.160 from like the day they're born, you know, where it's just like shot, shot, shot, shot. And thinking

00:24:55.160 about like, okay, so like all of a sudden everybody's getting this vaccine, all these

00:24:58.620 adults are, and then, oh, we have sad, sudden adult death syndrome, people just killing over

00:25:02.860 heart attacks. But then it gets you, it kind of gets you thinking about SIDS. Oh, totally.

00:25:07.080 What if SIDS, right? How many of these babies that just, you know, like there's no cause,

00:25:11.620 we don't know what killed them you know like the parent just wakes up it's a nightmare come to life

00:25:15.820 where they walk over to to the cradle and the baby's just laying there dead um but now a lot

00:25:21.580 of people are coming out and saying yeah this happened two days after my baby's shots or this

00:25:25.820 happened what if i i remember watching this video this mom just in tears saying like what if i killed

00:25:31.600 my baby like i didn't know like obviously like i like she's not morally responsible um in that but

00:25:38.780 like, dude, what if like, you know what I mean? So anyways,

00:25:41.660 and that's the mercy of God that a lot of things are being exposed.

00:25:45.260 And, but anyways, all that being said, you're, you're absolutely right.

00:25:48.100 Like it didn't stop transmission and very likely killed a bunch of people.

00:25:52.960 Go ahead.

00:25:53.440 And so, and so these people that,

00:25:55.360 that tried to make this a matter of loving you're eager to do it.

00:25:58.600 They were eager to say, Jesus would tell you to get the vaccine, you know,

00:26:02.040 love your neighbor as yourself. Love it. They need to, they need to,

00:26:05.720 first of all, they need to, they need to apologize.

00:26:08.020 they need to make it right publicly but then after that they need to look into their own hearts and

00:26:13.500 say well why was i so eager to to take a government lie that was so obviously a lie at the time and

00:26:20.480 now it's being revealed that it was a lie why was i so eager to push this on people and to make it

00:26:27.540 a matter of christian um imperative christian imperative for people because a lot of these guys

00:26:34.000 didn't just get their vaccine and go quietly about their day they were proud about it they

00:26:38.120 posted their stupid hobbit picture you know they they they even wrote articles like andrew t walker

00:26:43.380 that said it was a matter of loving your neighbor as yourself and i don't mean to pick on andrew

00:26:47.020 walker because a lot of guys did this the only reason i meant name dropping andrew t walker is

00:26:51.780 because i think out of all the guys that i know he's the most likely to lead on this and say i

00:26:56.980 was wrong and we were wrong and we need to correct this right right i i completely agree but that

00:27:03.460 kind of brings me to my next question this is a genuine question i so i've been thinking about

00:27:06.920 this the last few days now and i'm curious what adi robles thinks but um so okay so we get

00:27:13.340 something wrong um and and we should repent right and whatever context it was that we send in that

00:27:20.460 that should be the the same context um that we repent in right so like if i sin against my wife

00:27:26.320 privately i i you know i i need to go to her privately and ask for her forgiveness and

00:27:31.720 acknowledge my sin, repent before the Lord and repent before my wife. But I don't have to post

00:27:38.140 it on Twitter or something like that. It doesn't, if it's a private grievance, it can be privately

00:27:42.160 dealt with. And except, of course, in my case, being a pastor, if the grievance was something

00:27:47.700 that would disqualify me from eldership, then 1 Timothy 5, right? Rebuke those elders that

00:27:54.280 persist in sin before them all. So then it does merit, a private sin could merit a public rebuke

00:27:59.200 if a guy's in that position of leadership and it's an egregious sin.

00:28:03.320 All that being said though,

00:28:04.560 the context that we repent in is the context that we send in.

00:28:07.640 So guys who send publicly by telling them, you know,

00:28:09.660 you got to get the jab because, because Jesus tells you to,

00:28:12.900 because like, this is Christian law. You know, that's,

00:28:16.380 if you said that publicly, like you, you need to publicly own that.

00:28:19.220 But that brings me to the question, which is certainly there needs to be

00:28:23.820 repentance. But for leaders, I'm wondering like, because,

00:28:28.540 some people think that this is funny that we're even doing this episode, right? Like, when did

00:28:35.600 COVID come out? It's been 900 days, right? Like, you know what I mean? This wasn't like two weeks

00:28:42.160 ago, two months ago. It's not even two years ago now. It's two and a half years. It's 900. And so

00:28:47.980 here's my thing is like, okay, like forgiveness belongs to a category of love and charity. We

00:28:55.360 could place that in that category. But leadership is not a charity, right? Like the office of elder

00:29:01.620 is not a charity. The president of a seminary is not a charity, right? Like the Bible has a real

00:29:07.160 category for charity and love and forgiveness. And these things are free because we've been

00:29:11.480 freely loved and freely given to and freely forgiven in the gospel. So the gospel is the

00:29:17.460 basis. It's the foundation for us forgiving our debtors as we, you know, as God forgives us our

00:29:23.820 debts um but but this people need to understand because this is one of the things is is people

00:29:29.220 mix categories all the time right this is what what people do with the democrat party all the

00:29:33.980 time is like well you know um yeah republicans care for the unborn you know but democrats care

00:29:39.080 for people once they are born it's like okay but wait a second but is government supposed to

00:29:43.760 care for them right right like like government has been it's you know it's like the old saying

00:29:48.300 like you, you had one job, you know, like the government has one job, get, kill bad guys.

00:29:54.500 You know what I mean? Like that's their job. You know, not, it's not welfare. That falls on the

00:29:58.920 household. When the household fails, it falls on the church. If that person is qualified and

00:30:03.800 faithful and all those kinds of things. And, and, and then it never falls on the government. It's,

00:30:08.080 it's family first, then the church for those who are faithful and never uncle Sam. Uncle Sam keeps

00:30:14.040 wanting to be Daddy Sam, but he's not. He's just supposed to be the crazy uncle that takes a sword

00:30:21.160 and kills bad guys, you know? And so, we mix categories. And so, my point is, like, when it

00:30:24.760 comes to eldership, I've seen people do this, like, where an elder gets caught in some kind of

00:30:28.640 egregious sin, but he owns it, you know? Like, even like the Chandler thing, and I don't know

00:30:32.440 if it was egregious, because that was so weird, because it's like, he's absolutely not disqualified,

00:30:37.880 but it was a disqualifying sin, you know? I watched your video on that, yeah. Yeah, just

00:30:41.780 You know, I'm just like, what is going on?

00:30:43.960 So anyways, but in the case of Chandler, I don't know if it was egregious.

00:30:47.900 I have no idea what it is.

00:30:49.080 Nobody, you know, nobody's talking about it, but also everyone should know about it.

00:30:52.160 And so whatever.

00:30:52.900 But my point is with that, I saw a ton of people coming out and saying like, good, you

00:30:57.820 know, like I don't like his woke stuff, but I'm really proud of him on this point.

00:31:01.980 I'm really impressed because people like when people own something.

00:31:06.580 It's just like what I said earlier, the guy on Twitter who said, hey, I've got a lot of

00:31:09.780 people. And I found myself immediately like, good on you, man, way to go. And you just immediately

00:31:15.480 increase in respect for someone when they own their mistakes. And now Chandler, I kind of feel

00:31:21.320 like his elders probably had like a gun at his back, making him. So I don't know how much of

00:31:25.960 that was voluntary, but the point is people are so quick. And then they, Christians will apply

00:31:34.100 the gospel this is you know this is gospel you know like uh christ forgives us we should forgive

00:31:39.540 chandler you know and uh get him back in the pulpit you know like like forgive him don't be

00:31:44.380 a pharisee don't it's like well wait a second this is not a forgiveness there's forgiveness

00:31:49.880 which belongs to love but then there's discernment and qualifications which belongs to trust

00:31:55.440 and those are two different categories you can forgive someone um i'll see you in heaven you're

00:32:02.040 a brother in Christ. I love you. I can have friendship with you, but you can't be my pastor.

00:32:08.420 You can't be a leader. You've got to, you know, and so my question is this, so we want guys to

00:32:13.180 own it and you're calling out Andrew T. Walker and hopefully he owns it. And I'm not saying this

00:32:17.520 specifically to him because I don't know him, but I'm just saying in general, if some of these guys

00:32:23.480 own it, my question is, but what happens when you own something 900 days late? Because for me,

00:32:30.640 And then it's like, okay, so there's repentance.

00:32:32.700 I can feel good about calling you a brother, but I would like the leaders in Christ's church

00:32:39.440 to have a little bit of more discernment than, because literally to lead, just at a practical

00:32:48.220 level, leading implies that you're head of the crowd.

00:32:52.560 But if you're coming to conclusions on weighting matters that have affected the globe, if you're

00:32:59.320 coming to conclusions and able to apply god's words to these cultural political matters and

00:33:05.240 you're coming to those conclusions 900 days after the fact and it also happens to be the same day

00:33:10.420 that everyone else that you're leading also came to that conclusion then are you a leader what do

00:33:16.120 you think about that yeah well i don't think i don't i think that you you definitely aren't at

00:33:21.540 least in that area i think i think it depends on the person you know what what you're talking who

00:33:25.920 you're talking about what what you know what they said what they're doing um how they repent

00:33:30.480 you know what i mean because because a lot of guys will just do the sorry you know i i i didn't know

00:33:36.240 you know i didn't have the right data sorry and like you know that's really not going to cut it

00:33:41.420 because like again it doesn't matter what the data was like you actually lied about what the

00:33:45.100 the bible says here you try to you put this yoke on people right so um it all depends on the details

00:33:51.700 But the thing is, though, like even if like like Andrew T. Walker, right, as far as I know, he's not a pastor.

00:33:56.860 I think he's a professor, just a professor. And that's it.

00:34:00.000 You know, I would never take an Andrew T. Walker ethics class.

00:34:03.660 That doesn't make any sense, because this is the area that he just failed in, like miserably, spectacularly.

00:34:09.580 So I wouldn't take it like like I'm not saying you should be fired, but like I can't imagine anyone after this being like, oh, yeah, well, I'm going to get my ethics lessons from you.

00:34:19.340 but the thing is we you know that doesn't mean that he's not a bad he's a bad guy like it doesn't

00:34:23.620 mean that you can't learn from him in other areas but in this area when it comes to like

00:34:27.840 a high emotion you know political um you know you know psyop level type stuff where everything's

00:34:36.340 kind of happening all quickly and all at once and they're putting this propaganda pressure on you

00:34:41.340 like you know honestly you probably should just sit it out right you know and maybe maybe think

00:34:46.800 about it a little bit before you make your judgments before you you know what i mean like

00:34:49.960 and i'm not saying you didn't think about this but it's just like the you know there's a difference

00:34:54.700 between forgiving someone and then instantly trusting them in the same areas where they just

00:34:59.600 failed right you know what i mean like if your pastor if you're if you're let's forget about

00:35:04.860 pastors for a second like if you're if you're if you're a christian friend you know fails you know

00:35:09.640 he goes to the bar and he picks up a girl and you know he sleeps with or whatever like you don't

00:35:15.640 like go hang out with him at the bar like a few weeks later right you know what i mean like he

00:35:19.600 probably shouldn't be there you can't be trusted there you should probably maybe do something else

00:35:23.820 does he have the freedom to go to a bar is it is it unchristian to go to a bar no but you know you

00:35:30.220 got to protect yourself sometimes you know what i mean like i'm not saying you can't repent and

00:35:35.440 be fine andrew t walker could repent he could have this great thing and he could be fine going

00:35:40.260 forward because he learned his lesson that the government propaganda is not to be trusted that

00:35:44.460 could definitely happen yes but what i'm saying is like it just can't be like everything's all

00:35:50.880 good if you give me the the yeah sorry you know you know how could i have known a lot of guys are

00:35:57.380 doing that how could i have known i just did the best with the data i had no you didn't you failed

00:36:01.460 with the data you had that's the problem right no i completely agree because we all had the same data

00:36:07.080 and we did all have the same data and we didn't all come to the same conclusions and it's not

00:36:11.120 just because some of us are you know right-wing extremist you know maga republican whatever like

00:36:17.560 conspiracy theorists um no like like they're very sensible people um who just who without being an

00:36:24.300 epidemiologist you know just were able to say wait a second like by by by your own data by your own

00:36:32.660 admission um like how many people under the age of 65 are dying right and and you know and like the

00:36:40.080 CDC comes out and says that the average person dying of COVID is 80, I believe it was 84 years

00:36:48.840 old or 86 years old. They also came out and said that the average person dying of COVID had not

00:36:55.380 one, not two, not three, but four simultaneous, four comorbidities, right? So you can look at that

00:37:02.200 and say, okay, like, so who do I, like, you're saying that me and all of my kids, we need

00:37:10.820 to get a vaccine that requires two doses, and then every like five, six months, a booster

00:37:18.400 vaccine, and we need to do this in order to protect a very small sliver of the population,

00:37:27.200 86 year olds with four comorbidities um yeah could we just not hang out with 86 year olds with

00:37:35.380 four four comorbidities and and is that can we do that instead and people were asking that question

00:37:41.700 which is a really reasonable question and and they were it's not just that like we were being

00:37:46.580 ignored we we were being um we were being demeaned we were being slandered accused as hateful and

00:37:55.000 yeah and so anyway conspiracy theorists all the whole nine yards hateful conspiracy theorists you

00:38:00.980 want to kill grandma you know you just uh you know you listen to tucker carlson too much all

00:38:04.540 that kind of stuff right right but here's the thing i don't think every single single pastor

00:38:08.680 i don't know if this is what you're kind of getting at but i don't think every single pastor

00:38:11.920 that pushed the vaccine um as loving your neighbor as yourself that they need to resign

00:38:16.300 yeah that's what i'm getting at okay so you're giving me i don't think so okay not every single

00:38:21.400 one however there's gonna have to be some like there's a lot expected of a pastor when they

00:38:26.540 screw up so royally and like you have to really you have to you're gonna have to borrow a big

00:38:31.300 eva term you're gonna have to really lean into that repentance and demonstrate what it really

00:38:34.840 is because it can't it cannot just be sort of like i'm sorry i got caught kind of thing because

00:38:40.280 we've all been there i mean you're a pastor joel you you know like when you're talking to someone

00:38:44.640 and they repent basically only because they got caught right like you know the difference between

00:38:49.400 that and heartfelt repentance right you've been there we've all been there you don't have to be a

00:38:55.000 pastor to know that like right there's certain times you talk to someone you know that they're

00:38:59.600 really broken up about their sin and other times where you're just like well they're kind of like

00:39:03.600 annoyed that they got caught and so they'll repent i feel like that that we're going to probably have

00:39:09.180 to see the difference as it plays out to really make the judgment here but some of these guys

00:39:13.880 will never repent they just won't ever do it right some of them they're just going to memory hole it

00:39:17.620 you know we're never gonna see you know like like their past things that they said we'll never see

00:39:21.180 the light of day again and and the reason why guys do that is because um it works like it works

00:39:26.960 oh my goodness it's effective you know and um you just you know you just never ever ever ever ever

00:39:33.740 bring it up again you know and and which you know for the record even me personally it's

00:39:39.140 like nobody comes out of the womb with perfect theology and nobody's um go goes into ordination

00:39:44.620 with perfect theology, right? Like there's a minimum bottom line, biblically, you must be

00:39:48.700 able to teach. But you would hope that a pastor who has been an ordained minister of the gospel,

00:39:55.260 that 20 years into his ministry will have more refined doctrine than the day that he was ordained,

00:40:02.320 which means what? It means that he has reformed. Meaning that a guy who's been preaching for 20

00:40:10.040 years should be able to look back and say I was wrong about x y and z you know I can do that with

00:40:17.520 certain doctrines that I was I was wrong about like I used to be a continuationist I'm not anymore

00:40:23.080 but I was um I that's I that's how I was raised and and I was really into Piper at the time John

00:40:30.820 Piper and Sam Storm so I was a continuationist in that light you know not like Benny Hinn but

00:40:36.260 you know, but like kind of the, you know, the, the trying to be soft about it, but,

00:40:40.420 but eventually moved out of that. So, so I'm not saying that I've never been wrong,

00:40:45.120 but I think there's a difference when, um, it's, it's, and, and, and you can make a strong argument

00:40:50.240 like, well, you were a continuationist. Well, like, did you, you were holding the door open

00:40:54.600 for there being new revelation? Um, what, what kinds of evils can that breed and what is the

00:40:59.640 harm? And so like, you can make a strong argument like that is a big, you, you were, that's not a

00:41:04.760 small thing, Joel, like that, that's, that's a big, and I would say, yeah, you're right. It's

00:41:08.060 not a small thing. That's a big thing. So it's, it's not even so much the degree of, um, I was

00:41:13.280 wrong about the vaccine and told, and, and bound people's conscience to inject their bodies with

00:41:18.620 something that's never going to leave with this MRNA, you know, technology, it's never going to

00:41:23.180 leave. Uh, it's not just like, we're saying like this, this category is such a big category to me.

00:41:28.020 it's more so, it's not like I just was misinformed because I was following this theologian instead

00:41:36.340 of this theologian. No, the thing that you were following was government propaganda. The thing

00:41:41.820 that you were following was pharmacy. When I was a continuationist, my point is I had a biblical

00:41:50.100 argument for it. Now, I would look now and say it was unbiblical, but what I'm saying is I was

00:41:55.380 using the Bible to support my view. I really thought that the Bible said that. I really

00:42:01.020 believed, like, it was, you know, it seemed a lot clearer, whereas these guys, it's not just

00:42:05.460 this one area. The same guys who are pushing love your neighbor by getting the vax are the same guys

00:42:09.880 who on their Instagram account, you saw pictures of them at the BLM rallies. Their churches are

00:42:14.220 closed down, but they're at a BLM rally in the summer of love, you know, 2020. And so, I guess

00:42:18.880 for me, that would be the thing is not just are you wrong on this one thing, but over the last

00:42:23.560 two years like were like were you silent and and and writing articles about how now's not the time

00:42:29.640 to beat our chest when roe is overturned and and were you you know uh you know repeating the blm

00:42:35.820 you know rhetoric and you know this hobbit is getting vaccinated like at that point it's to me

00:42:41.480 it just shows it it's it's enough pieces of the puzzle to say like it it's a bigger picture that

00:42:47.640 says, yeah, this guy is just, he's a water carrier for the left. This guy's just, you know,

00:42:53.640 he's just a pundit. He's not a minister. Here's some unsolicited advice for if any

00:42:59.560 pastors out there and they were doing this and they, you know, they feel bad about it and they

00:43:03.820 want to make it right. I'm not telling you that, you know, you need to do these things before I

00:43:08.640 believe your repentance. This is just advice for how to get people to trust you again, because

00:43:12.980 quite frankly you betrayed their trust severely you i think what you should do if if it were me

00:43:19.500 i would say you know i was wrong here's exactly why i was wrong here's why i fell for it here's

00:43:27.840 why i won't fall for in the future because the propaganda is going to get more and more intense

00:43:33.400 it's it's it's it's getting worse every day and so there's going to be more propaganda that comes

00:43:37.920 out there's going to be a new thing and nobody knows what it's going to be people are saying

00:43:41.120 it's going to be the flu rona i don't know if it's going to be flu rona or something else or

00:43:44.760 nuclear war or whatever the whatever it is it's going to be something and so i think what you

00:43:49.960 need to do if you want people to trust you again again i'm not telling you how to repent you know

00:43:54.260 that's between you and god but if you want people to trust you again if andrew t walker wants people

00:43:58.220 to trust him again we need to understand how you're not going to fall for this again because

00:44:03.800 there's something inside of you that made you fall for this when so many people didn't a lot

00:44:09.420 of people did but a lot of people didn't right and so in the future when the when the government

00:44:15.060 comes and they've got a new snazzy thing that's super dangerous and they need you to carry water

00:44:20.220 for them how are you going to avoid it yeah that's good idea you know what i mean because honestly

00:44:28.060 all of us were sort of fooled by this corona thing for a few days at least or for a few weeks

00:44:33.680 or for a few months or whatever.

00:44:35.040 And like you said, some 900 days,

00:44:37.200 but like we're all fooled to some degree.

00:44:40.620 And I think we've all kind of done this.

00:44:42.660 We've all this done this diagnostic in ourselves.

00:44:44.740 Like, why did I get fooled by that?

00:44:47.120 How am I going to avoid being fooled the next time?

00:44:49.360 We've all done this.

00:44:50.560 So you need to do it,

00:44:51.700 especially if you published articles

00:44:54.100 trying to bind Christian's conscience

00:44:55.880 to getting the vaccine.

00:44:57.120 We need to, you need to undo it.

00:44:58.660 You can't undo it.

00:44:59.480 You can't go back in time,

00:45:00.380 but what you can do is help the people that you hurt.

00:45:03.500 Right.

00:45:03.680 No, you're exactly right. The first week when COVID dropped, our church canceled. We ended up

00:45:10.100 canceling four weeks, and then boom, we were right back at it. And that's when I was still

00:45:13.480 in California at the time, and it was very, very, very frowned upon. And we even had a plan with me

00:45:19.380 and my elders, what happens if police come? And if I was taken away, then the next elder was going

00:45:25.420 to get up and start preaching. We had a plan in place, and those kinds of things. And we only

00:45:29.840 missed four Lord States. That was, you know, like that was before MacArthur came out and they

00:45:33.660 started regathering those kinds of things. And so, you know, but the point is we still missed four

00:45:37.300 weeks and, and I had to tell the church, you know, I had to say something like, we're not going to do

00:45:42.400 church this week. And, and so what did I do? I, I recorded a 10 minute video where I exegeted

00:45:49.840 horribly Romans 13. And so then, and then, so then what I had to do when we started gathering

00:45:57.220 again is I had to preach a sermon and, and here's the deal. I instinctively was able to know by the

00:46:03.160 grace of God that the first 10 minutes of this sermon needs to be an apology, right? Like, why,

00:46:10.220 why are you going to listen to me preach? You know, now a lot of people were actually upset

00:46:14.480 that the church was gathering, but for those who, who, you know, were like, all right, we're here

00:46:18.380 now, but, but why, why do we listen to you now? You know, cause you said this thing and now you're,

00:46:23.240 now we're gathering, which is the opposite. And so I had to say, so you might notice that this

00:46:28.500 sermon is going to directly contradict what I previously said. Because a lot of guys don't do

00:46:33.720 that. This is the crazy thing, man. Like a lot of guys publicly, I'm talking guys with huge

00:46:37.960 platforms and I'm talking good guys on our team. They don't, they don't do that. Like they say one

00:46:42.460 thing, they realize that's wrong. They pivot. Sometimes it's a year later. Sometimes it's just

00:46:47.340 two weeks later. They say something that directly contradicts what they previously said. And rather

00:46:52.300 than actually pointing it out that it's a blatant contradiction. So you might notice that these two

00:46:57.580 things directly contradict and you might be wondering, well, which one's true? The thing

00:47:02.000 that you said yesterday or the thing that you're saying today? Well, it's the thing I'm saying

00:47:05.040 today because the thing I said yesterday was wrong. And guys don't do that and they lose

00:47:11.060 credibility. Now, sometimes the memory hole and a lot of people just forget or don't connect the

00:47:15.860 dots or whatever. But you're right. If you want to win back credibility and trust in those kinds

00:47:21.980 of things, in terms of forgiveness, you just own your sin. You just repent, right? But in terms of

00:47:26.880 trust, right? We've got to keep the category separate. In terms of trust and leadership

00:47:32.080 and credibility, it's not just, hey, he owns his mistakes, but I need to know that moving forward,

00:47:39.640 he's going to make fewer mistakes. And so, I need to know not just that he owned the last one,

00:47:43.760 but I need to know that he's aware of how he ended up getting duped last time. And so,

00:47:50.600 what I had to do with my church is say, so this is how I exegeted Romans 13, and this is why I did

00:47:55.780 it. And, you know, and I felt like part of it was I had, you know, four days, you know, before the

00:48:01.700 next Sunday to say church is canceled and give a reason. So I had a short window to exegete this

00:48:07.900 text. All the guys that I had looked to and followed in the past were saying this, I followed

00:48:12.580 suit, but that was wrong. I misviewed the word of God, misexegeted the word of God. And the reason

00:48:19.960 why it's not going to happen in the future is because now I understand the word of God better.

00:48:24.360 So that was my reason that I gave. So like, I think that would be awesome if Andrew T. Walker

00:48:28.680 and other guys, I think like, if you're thinking of what are, so what are reasons that I can say

00:48:33.120 for why I was deceived before, but I will be deceived less moving forward. I think one of

00:48:38.580 the number one reasons you can say is I had a misunderstanding of scripture, of doctrine,

00:48:45.500 of God's word before and something in my theology has actually changed. So not just like, well,

00:48:52.180 miss that one. If it's just, you know, we'll write that one off, you know, and, you know,

00:48:58.500 I just missed that one, but I believe all the same things I believed two years ago.

00:49:03.000 I have all the same doctrine, all, you know, the same hermeneutical principles, the same this,

00:49:07.520 the same that. Because for me, the reason why I feel confident and others following me feel

00:49:12.280 confident that I'm not going to shut down the church for four more weeks is not just because

00:49:16.720 I made a mistake and I don't want to have egg on my face again, but I actually, the whole way I

00:49:22.520 read scripture changed. The last two years changed everything for me. I had to, my paradigm of the

00:49:28.440 civil magistrate and sphere sovereignty, separation of church and state, Christ being king over all

00:49:34.260 things, my eschatology, everything came. When I shut down the church of Jesus Christ as a minister

00:49:40.960 of the gospel, shut down the church of Jesus Christ for not understanding his word, and then

00:49:47.740 realize that I made a mistake, I realized I've got to make some big changes. That was not a small

00:49:53.280 thing. That was a big deal. God, please have mercy on me. Please forgive me. But don't just forgive

00:49:59.260 me. Change me. Give me eyes to see. And so, I reworked all of my doctrine, all of my thinking,

00:50:06.340 because I had to recognize this is a big deal, what I just did. It doesn't matter that everybody

00:50:10.040 else did it too i did it and and there's something in the way that i view scripture something in the

00:50:16.300 way that i view christ and his lordship something in the way that i view caesar something in the

00:50:20.500 way that i i view human life and its dignity and our lives being a vapor or idolatry of you know

00:50:26.920 and and so i had to rethink everything that's where i became post-millennial that's where i

00:50:30.820 be like all these major things change and people be like dude those are some really big changes

00:50:34.880 yeah because sin's serious sin is serious well it was i hate to use like a word that everyone's

00:50:42.240 using like so you know flippantly but like to be honest it sounds to me like realizing that you

00:50:50.880 shut down the lord's day worship for four weeks was almost like a traumatic like man i need to

00:50:57.980 reevaluate things here like this this is a big deal like i'm me just a man decided to close down

00:51:05.900 god's worship in my assembly for four weeks and i don't want to say it like traumatize you in like

00:51:12.080 the lame way but like it's like almost like you know it's almost like you had like a like a look

00:51:16.480 in the mirror moment a come to jesus moment like what am i doing right and you got and listen that's

00:51:23.420 Listen, I'm glad it happened because you're seeing things a lot clearer now, and now you're a force.

00:51:29.040 You're not going to fall for that again.

00:51:30.160 I think anyone who knows you, Joel, knows that you're not going to fall for the next propaganda thing again.

00:51:35.380 When they tell you to shut down the church, no matter what it is, you're probably going to say no.

00:51:40.460 Yep.

00:51:41.300 Yep.

00:51:42.080 Yeah, I like the way Doug –

00:51:43.420 The Russians are going to come, and they're going to bring their H-bombs.

00:51:47.140 You've got to shut down your church, Joel.

00:51:49.060 I'm fairly sure that the answer is going to be no.

00:51:51.060 look we'll turn the lights off but we're still having church right yeah well and if we're gonna

00:51:55.160 die from h-bombs then like we might as well die while we're worshiping christ might as well do it

00:52:00.060 while you're worshiping amen to that that's what i'm talking about so yeah no you're i'm talking

00:52:03.660 you're right i remember doug wilson he came out and said like you know um i used to be a reasonable

00:52:07.640 man this is what he isn't you know like and he had that whole analogy you know like the sniper

00:52:11.880 and church gets called off by the authorities there's a sniper on the roof and and it's like

00:52:16.280 okay like we're immediately gonna listen to the authorities the civil magistrate because you know

00:52:19.960 there's a sniper on the roof. But he was like, but after six weeks in a row, and there's no,

00:52:24.580 like, we've never been able to actually find and capture the sniper, but the authorities have come

00:52:29.060 into our worship service six weeks running in a row and said, there's a sniper and you got to

00:52:32.920 cancel. Then eventually you say, I'm sorry, no, we're going to worship. And so Doug said, like,

00:52:38.600 I remember when he said, like, this should be one of the standards when you're looking for a church

00:52:42.960 right now, because so many people are churchless, you know, because they've just been so disappointed

00:52:47.840 by their previous pastors, you know, and not just with COVID and shutting down the church,

00:52:51.560 but then, you know, when they started meeting, they wanted, you know, the pastor didn't let

00:52:54.280 them sing or made them wear a mask or segregated based off of jab status or, or, uh, their pastor,

00:53:00.020 you know, was pushing the BLM stuff and then Roe was overturned and their pastors preached

00:53:03.940 against abortion, you know, and, uh, but then there's finally a win in the province of God

00:53:09.240 and, and there's not a word about it. And so a lot of people are churchless because they've

00:53:13.480 been so disappointed. And I remember Doug saying like, when you're looking for a new church and

00:53:16.580 you're thinking about the criteria, one of the questions you should ask that church and ask the

00:53:21.400 minister is, would you shut down the church for any reason? Because Doug's, and Doug is, even Doug's

00:53:26.820 saying, I'm going back on what I previously said. He said, like, there are reasons I would shut down

00:53:31.360 the church. There are, you know, like if a tsunami's coming or something, you know, like, then we need

00:53:36.440 to, he said, but now the answer should be no. There is no reason. And it's not because there's

00:53:42.900 not actually a reason hypothetically we could think of that would merit canceling church the

00:53:48.220 reason that the answer is always no is because um uh because we know that the people who would

00:53:54.820 be telling us we need to shut down the church are liars right that's why that's why you can just say

00:54:00.180 you don't you don't have to reway through all the data on on covid 2.0 whenever it comes you know

00:54:05.900 flu rona or what like the next big thing um we don't have to uh reasonably assess everything

00:54:12.520 we can just say no because because we don't know necessarily all the details about the thing

00:54:17.300 but we know the details about the people telling us about the thing and the details about those

00:54:21.780 people is they're liars so if they say shut down the church we say take a hike 100 i i i love that

00:54:29.980 Joel, the vaccine situation is was such providentially, it was such a gift because when you think about all the details there, right, like Trump is the guy who took the credit for celebrating the vaccine and he was all about it.

00:54:47.700 Still holding on to it. He needs to let that go to this day.

00:54:52.120 He's holding on to it. You're right, Joel. And and obviously Democrats love the vaccine.

00:54:57.680 so so it like at a time when like everything is like hyper partisan they're like oh you're just

00:55:04.900 you're just a maga you're just a maga that's why you're against it god gives us this gift

00:55:09.960 that's like a partisan propaganda or a non-partisan propaganda uh thing they're they're both loving it

00:55:16.620 right and so um you know we we we can't even give them the excuse it's like well you're just a

00:55:25.080 hyper-partisan you know things like that like they don't even have that this was just pure

00:55:29.740 government propaganda they were both lying to us trump was lying to us that this is the greatest

00:55:34.560 thing since sliced bread and the democrats they were all lying to us as well everyone was lying

00:55:39.500 to us the government is just a bunch of liars and we know this so this is a gift because now

00:55:45.840 you have to oh and listen that doesn't mean everything that they say is a lie

00:55:50.280 but now when they're trying to get you to do something that you know you shouldn't be doing

00:55:55.060 that that they don't have the authority to tell you to do that that is very radical it's very

00:56:00.520 radical to demand that churches do not meet i don't think we kind of i don't think we we all

00:56:05.680 i know you do because you kind of had a come to jesus moment over it but like i don't think we

00:56:09.840 all as a collectively like realize how intensely insane that was that we didn't do that we didn't

00:56:16.720 meet for a period yeah it's so insane and and and it was just so now we know that they're liars and

00:56:25.040 so anytime they try to get you to do something like stick something in your veins or do something

00:56:28.760 to your kids or close down your church or whatever it is you have to say no yeah because they're known

00:56:35.200 liars and they're not they're bipartisan liars right we we always knew that there were crooks

00:56:40.480 in politics but we did not know the extent of it now we do now we have no now we do no excuse as

00:56:45.800 george bush would have said fool me once shame on you fool me twice well the point is you're not

00:56:50.020 going to fool me again i believe that's exactly right so like exactly right so we know their

00:56:55.960 character someone says don't if someone says don't go to you know the shopping mall today

00:57:00.280 because there's going to be uh i don't know an air raid or something or or a tsunami or something

00:57:05.800 like that okay fine you don't have to go to the shopping mall i mean what's the big deal

00:57:08.740 you can choose to listen or you can choose to listen or not that's not a big deal but when

00:57:13.020 they tell you don't worship the lord don't gather with your with your with your uh congregation and

00:57:17.620 worship with the lord don't lay hands on the sick don't don't um don't don't don't greet each other

00:57:22.560 with a holy kiss and all that stuff don't sing too dangerous don't breathe too dangerous you have to

00:57:28.940 say no because they're known liars if they lie about not going to the shopping mall no harm no

00:57:33.660 fault right right if they lie about not worshiping on sunday big deal that that's that's got to be

00:57:38.380 the line in the sand i'll never forget this i think i may have mentioned this to you on your

00:57:41.660 show before but i'll never forget when uh when cross politic was interviewing jonathan lehman

00:57:47.040 about all this kind of stuff and um and jonathan lehman is doing the thing where he says well you

00:57:52.860 know eventually maybe one day we'll have to stand up to them you know but now we don't have to use

00:57:56.620 our cultural capital right now and and under his breath chocolate knox makes a comment he doesn't

00:58:02.140 actually ask him he just kind of says it under his breath but you can hear him and he says something

00:58:06.660 like i don't know i think worship on sunday is one of those lines you know you know what i mean

00:58:12.740 and it was it was i remember hearing that i was like that's exactly it that's right if this is

00:58:17.700 not the line you have no line right so you need to repent of that and these a lot of these guys

00:58:23.220 need to just straight up repent of that right and um and i think that some will and i'm very hopeful

00:58:28.500 that all it's going to take is a few guys like i'm hopeful for andrew t walker but i don't know

00:58:33.380 I'm hopeful for some other guys to come to their senses because I think once a one or two of these guys does it, as sad as this is, I think there's a lot of guys waiting in the wings, you know, lower level tier guys that just want someone to take the lead on this and to say it's okay to do this.

00:58:47.760 I think a lot of people will do it.

00:58:49.020 I think a lot of people will have their good look in the mirror moment and they'll be like, we'll never do this again under no circumstances.

00:58:56.180 Now, whether or not that's true or not, I don't know, but I'm just hopeful to get a big movement of that because that's what we need right now, man.

00:59:02.400 we need as many soldiers as we can get and as many people that are that are that know the score

00:59:08.080 as we can get um and so i'm i'm the kind of guy that like i'm willing to extend a lot of grace

00:59:13.500 even though it's 900 days later that's insane but you give me you give us a good case for why

00:59:20.620 you won't be duped again and you know i'm not going to say all is forgiven or forgotten but

00:59:25.280 but but we will we can we can lock arms again i i agree i agree and i think what we just pan out

00:59:31.340 and look at the bigger picture.

00:59:32.520 So for 900 days, did you miss COVID?

00:59:35.400 Okay, that's a big deal.

00:59:36.240 You missed it for nine.

00:59:36.900 Everybody missed it for like a day or two,

00:59:38.620 but like four weeks, right?

00:59:40.860 So 28 days versus 900,

00:59:42.700 there's quite a difference there.

00:59:45.160 But even with that, we can pan out like,

00:59:47.960 okay, so did you miss the COVID thing?

00:59:50.100 But did you also,

00:59:51.320 did you miss the total propaganda with CRT?

00:59:54.740 Because honestly,

00:59:55.400 if a guy was holding the line

00:59:57.460 against Black Lives Matter and saying,

00:59:59.480 this is just racism against white people,

01:00:01.340 this is just envy this is just coveting this is like the bite like if a guy was saying those

01:00:07.060 kinds of things in 2020 but he was but but he was missing it on COVID like I'm really compassionate

01:00:13.040 you know what I mean because I'm like that guy has spine that guy I've seen him make a stand

01:00:17.560 he's been right on some of these and he does have some measure just exactly so those are good guys

01:00:21.960 so so I want to because everything you're saying is so good so I'm agreeing with you and then

01:00:25.700 clarifying you know my position because I really did pose it as a question because I'm thinking

01:00:28.980 through it. What should I be telling people? The little platform that I have, people who are

01:00:34.680 actively right now looking for a church, should this be a deal breaker, right? Like if a guy,

01:00:39.300 if it took them 900 days to realize telling people that they had to get a jab in order to

01:00:44.200 obey Christ's commandment to love their neighbor, that's a deal breaker. And it sounds like what

01:00:48.120 we're arriving at is no, that is not in and of itself inherently a deal breaker, but it's a big

01:00:52.900 red flag. And then let's see, number one, does he own it? So that would be the first thing. Does

01:00:57.980 he repent? Number two, does he give a reason for why he was wrong and he won't be wrong again in

01:01:02.660 the future? That's something we covered. And then number three, let's pan out beyond just that one

01:01:08.800 issue of COVID stuff and how did he do on the woke test, right? Because there's been multiple tests

01:01:14.680 over the last couple of years. How do you do on the baby killing test? How's he doing on the

01:01:18.700 sodomy test? How's he doing on the hate white people test? There's a lot of great tests that

01:01:24.380 in God's providence, we've gotten all in just two and a half short years. And so, you know,

01:01:28.460 but if a guy's failed and you tell me if I'm being extreme here, AD, if he's failed all those tests,

01:01:33.900 the homo test, he's failed, he's failed the racism test, he's failed, you know what I mean? And the

01:01:38.960 COVID test, then I feel like let's forgive that guy if he repents on all accounts and then get

01:01:44.440 him a nice warm seat on the bench. Right? Yeah, I would agree. I mean, I'm laughing over here

01:01:50.520 because it's an embarrassment of riches it's like there's just been so many tests and and the thing

01:01:55.200 is a lot of these you know look covid was a new thing like nobody's ever experienced anything like

01:02:00.400 that before um but a lot of these are like simple tests you know what i mean like a lot of these are

01:02:05.200 very basic and so and even you could even argue that staying open for church is basic too i'm not

01:02:11.000 i'm not gonna say that that's not basic but but like if you if you just if you were just a slave

01:02:16.100 to the narrative right you are a slave to the government propaganda machine that is a sign that

01:02:21.160 you are trying to serve two masters somebody somebody that i actually really like on twitter

01:02:26.840 who was saying how it was ridiculous to to demand that pastors apologize for the vaccine thing

01:02:32.300 and and oh yeah we both retweeted that yeah yeah yeah i think i think so and i like that guy that

01:02:38.120 guy that guy says a lot of good things and he's he's just lamenting about why it's so it's man

01:02:42.500 this is a hard job and i said you know it's not hard unless you're trying to serve two masters

01:02:47.500 that's right it's impossible like it's not even hard it's impossible and so if you are failing

01:02:52.320 test after test after test after test and some of these are basic tests like don't be racist

01:02:55.820 against white people right how hard can it get you know if you're if you're if you're failing

01:03:00.500 all this you you are obviously trying to serve two masters you're just in no position to to lead the

01:03:06.660 church of god right you're in no position yeah and it's like you know maybe maybe in 20 years

01:03:11.860 you'll be in that position i doubt it but for right now you need to take a seat on the bench

01:03:16.140 i mean it's just that simple yeah amen and i i want to just go back for just a moment and highlight

01:03:21.360 a little bit what you said earlier is so good because there's just one more big point that i

01:03:25.600 think i don't want people to miss we're not faulting pastors for not being epidemiologists

01:03:31.060 like thank god for robert malone and some of those guys but man they were shadow banned and

01:03:35.140 suppressed and kicked off platforms so like sometimes like some of their stuff was hard to

01:03:38.860 find you know what i mean and like and you've got you know you've got you know and it wasn't just

01:03:43.600 like one doctor though to be fair like early on you had like like 200 renowned doctors coming out

01:03:50.340 and speaking you know so it's not like it was a bunch of quack jobs like these guys were legit

01:03:54.740 and they're coming out with with evidence and with strong argumentation all these kinds of things

01:03:59.020 and some of their argumentation was just like look we're not even saying we're not saying

01:04:02.380 covid is not a thing we're not saying this we're not saying that um but we're just saying this

01:04:06.100 this thing ivermectin ever heard of it right nobel uh winning prize you know prize winning drug

01:04:12.820 with like virtually no side effects and no it's not um a a horse dewarmer uh dewormer yes it has

01:04:20.180 been using that but this is for people and blah blah like you you know like and you know the irony

01:04:24.940 with that it's like well i'm not going to take medicine that's made for an animal made for a

01:04:28.120 horse um libs are have literally started talk about the hypocrisy they started pushing a drug

01:04:34.240 I forget the name of it, but they started pushing a drug for red states where Planned Parenthoods are getting shut down that women can take, pregnant women can take, that'll kill their baby in their womb because they can't get a legal abortion in their state.

01:04:47.140 And it's a drug that's made for animals.

01:04:50.800 So the libs making fun of conservatives for taking horse dewormers are now saying, take this other horse pill, not to save a life, but to end one.

01:05:02.260 So anyways, all that being said, like, no, nobody's faulting pastors for not being epidemiologists and, and even having, you know, it being a little fuzzy.

01:05:09.900 I didn't know the government was that corrupt.

01:05:11.460 I knew there were problems, but I didn't know that corrupt.

01:05:13.160 I think what, what you're saying that keeps standing out to me is you're saying, look, here's the line, shutting down church.

01:05:19.820 That's, that's the line because, because when the Spanish flu rolled around in, in 18, you know, or 1918 or whatever it was, it was about a hundred years before COVID stuff.

01:05:31.860 But I read up on some of that.

01:05:33.720 The government, number one, they did not mandate anything.

01:05:36.320 They asked churches and pastors.

01:05:39.020 They asked them if they would cancel their services, and they canceled for three weeks.

01:05:44.420 And that was the Spanish flu, which was no respecter of persons.

01:05:47.420 This was not just killing 86-year-olds.

01:05:49.560 Sure, this was a legitimate disease.

01:05:51.840 Yeah, yeah.

01:05:52.600 And it would take a 17-year-old right alongside it, and at the same ratio, at the same proportion.

01:05:58.820 But it was three weeks, and they were asked by the government if churches would shut down.

01:06:05.760 And I can't help but think, I don't just think it was because, oh, these Neanderthals 100 years ago didn't understand the dangerous potential of germs.

01:06:16.060 They didn't have the scientific theology or technology.

01:06:19.560 I don't think that it was due, that they treated it differently.

01:06:23.820 They handled the situation differently 100 years ago.

01:06:25.900 I don't think it's because they were primitive in the realm of science.

01:06:29.760 I think it's because they were premier in the realm of doctrine.

01:06:34.000 They knew ecclesiology.

01:06:36.140 They knew the Lord's day, gathering and meeting with the risen Christ and the sacraments and

01:06:41.840 the word rightly preached, that that was a big deal.

01:06:45.260 And that missing the Lord's day, the saints being barred from the table of the Lord, his

01:06:50.940 body, his blood, they knew that that is dangerous.

01:06:55.440 that that had you know and and they were unwilling and i so i can't help but think like if it was just

01:07:01.820 a matter of like a pastor come you know pastors uh not knowing epidemiology or not knowing all

01:07:07.180 the dotted i's and cross t's of the government or or constitutional law or you know there was a lot

01:07:12.840 of things that we were all trying to brush up on in like 15 minutes and i understand and sympathize

01:07:17.400 with pastors because i was one of them trying to to quickly learn all these things that i should

01:07:21.640 have already known. But the thing is, it's not, pastors didn't just shut down their churches

01:07:27.360 because they didn't know epidemiology and so they trusted the experts. They shut down their

01:07:32.600 churches because I'm afraid it's because they didn't know ecclesiology and they didn't believe

01:07:37.360 the promises of God that Christ uniquely meets with his people on the Lord's day when they're

01:07:43.560 gathered together to administer the ordinary means of grace. And that this is one of the primary

01:07:48.860 means by which he preserves the soul, which is of more value than the body. It just revealed that

01:07:56.980 we don't know what the church is. We don't know who Christ is. And all the stuff we talk about,

01:08:03.860 about eternity and the soul, we're idolaters. We really love this life more than we love the

01:08:11.840 life to come. There's some severe deficiencies. There's no question about it. I mean,

01:08:15.760 if you nobody's going to fault you for for not understanding that you know the the nuances of

01:08:20.800 you know constitutional law epidemiology all that stuff but we we need to examine ourselves when the

01:08:27.020 default isn't all right i'm going to stay open until i get up to speed on this right and then

01:08:32.940 maybe we'll figure it out and then maybe we'll maybe we'll shut down for a week or two whatever

01:08:36.580 but no the default was we're going to shut down and you know maybe never reopen because some

01:08:42.520 church has never reopened you know and so and so that that's the thing it's like we got to really

01:08:46.800 look inside ourselves and like why is it that we know how important church is because a lot of these

01:08:52.380 people that did this they've written books about the gathering and how important it is right so

01:08:57.320 weird about lehman he's he is the gathering guy exactly so so that guy knows what the bible says

01:09:04.220 about gatherings and all it took was the government to say no no shut down it's too dangerous he's

01:09:10.700 like just yes sir instantly there's something in him he needs to examine why he hears the voice of

01:09:15.120 god and then he hears the voice of the state and that takes precedent instantly right right that's

01:09:21.380 that's something you do and it's the same thing with the vaccines because that's what we initially

01:09:24.320 started talking about it's like why why do we understand the law of god so poorly as to pretend

01:09:31.120 like uh injecting yourself with a chemical is a is part of god's law like that's that you have to

01:09:37.880 do it an unknown chemical why do we understand god's law so poorly that why is the default like

01:09:44.260 oh yeah who i don't even know where the love your neighbor meme started but it started somewhere

01:09:48.980 why why is when the first time you heard getting the vaccine is a way to love your neighbor

01:09:52.940 why did so many people go oh yeah that sounds right like why was that why were the brakes

01:09:57.780 not pumped you need to look inside yourself i can't figure that out for andrew t walker he

01:10:01.720 needs to figure that out for himself you know and i think that they i think a lot of guys will

01:10:05.880 And at least I'm hopeful that they will.

01:10:07.700 And if they don't, that's okay too,

01:10:09.360 because God does a lot of good things,

01:10:10.880 even with small numbers.

01:10:12.480 Right.

01:10:13.000 And fortunately, like with the law of God

01:10:14.960 in terms of the vaccine,

01:10:16.040 fortunately, you're right.

01:10:18.500 And everybody, you know, Russell Moore and guys

01:10:21.040 who are, you know, like we have an obligation,

01:10:22.440 this is how we love our neighbor and blah, blah, blah.

01:10:24.660 Fortunately for them, they're wrong

01:10:27.060 because if they're exegesis of the law of God

01:10:30.660 and what it means to love our neighbor

01:10:32.180 and not do him physical harm,

01:10:34.100 I mean, that that includes, you know, 17 steps between me and my neighbor that might harm it, right?

01:10:39.960 Because that's the thing is it becomes more indirect, you know, because then you could just not do anything.

01:10:45.960 So fortunately for those people, they're wrong because by their same logic, we could say, okay, let's track how many people got SADS, sudden adult death syndrome.

01:10:58.440 how many people died and that we can track to the vaccine and then,

01:11:02.740 and then how many of them got the vaccine because you motivated them and bound

01:11:06.700 their conscience. Like, so, so you're a murderer.

01:11:10.800 That's right. You know what I mean? Like it works both ways.

01:11:13.140 So it's like, you didn't get the vaccine and, and you know,

01:11:15.860 somebody got COVID. Okay.

01:11:18.140 You told people to get the vaccine and the vaccine killed them. Right.

01:11:22.000 Like this, like, you know what I mean? Like, so that's a, so, you know.

01:11:25.620 It cuts both ways. Yeah, you're right. A hundred percent.

01:11:27.420 So, all right, man, any, any final thoughts? I think this has been good.

01:11:31.420 This has been really good. Yeah. I don't have any final thoughts. And I just, I think I totally

01:11:36.680 understand people that are like, man, it's 900 days later. Like, you know, how could you ever

01:11:42.640 trust them again? And I think that I just want to caution everybody. Like I'm, I'm the first guy

01:11:49.200 out there that talks about how pastors shouldn't whine about how hard their job is. Like, I'm the

01:11:53.820 first guy to say that whenever someone does i say okay so quit you know good riddance you know i

01:11:58.420 don't i don't care their job is hard though i'm gonna say that and um and i think that um if we

01:12:08.280 get guys out here that are that are coherently you know you know repenting and they do what we've

01:12:15.740 talked about here where they're like man like this is how i'm never going to be duped again like i

01:12:19.920 was lied to i should have known i didn't but i will know next time because they're lying to me

01:12:25.560 all the time they're still lying right they're still doing it right you know what i mean so i

01:12:30.560 think that i think that we should extend as much grace as possible i'm not saying you have to go

01:12:33.760 to these guys churches because there's plenty of good churches out there that didn't fall for this

01:12:37.140 for very long so i'm not saying you had to go to you know andrew t walker's church just i'm just

01:12:41.700 we're picking on him but the reason i'm picking on him because i think i want to put pressure on

01:12:45.520 you're picking on him because he's he's the worst but he's the best of the worst he's he's in the

01:12:50.980 worst category but he's the best of the worst i i i agree he's on a good he's on good company with

01:12:56.180 this vaccine stuff yeah because every time every time i've been positively mentioning andrew to

01:13:00.600 walker because he's been saying some pretty awesome stuff really cool um in my opinion i'll

01:13:05.720 have to follow him yeah you yeah i would suggest it because he's saying stuff that a lot of people

01:13:10.120 in big eva aren't saying and he is in big eva 100 he's totally big eva anyway um but but anyway

01:13:17.360 my point though is that like i'm not saying you have to go to his church i'm not saying you have

01:13:20.140 to listen to everything he says but i would say extend grace if someone like that comes out and

01:13:24.860 says you know man i should have done that right you know any any can coherently explain why and

01:13:29.320 all that um because i i don't think look god doesn't need any of us but i would it would be

01:13:34.520 awesome to have more soldiers out here you know you know and listen a soldier that was like you

01:13:40.040 said fool me once shame on you know shame on you fool me twice you're not gonna fool me twice shame

01:13:46.440 on me George Bush botched the same but yeah go ahead well I but I like that I like the point is

01:13:51.180 you're not gonna fool me again I like that though because because that can be an effective soldier

01:13:56.240 you know what I mean yes I think it can be so well because I'm that soldier just for the record you

01:14:01.060 You know, people think like, oh man, you know, Joel's hardcore and that's why we follow him,

01:14:04.400 you know, like, but I just, as the Lord expands my influence and uses me and stuff, I want

01:14:11.920 to try to be that guy who's, you know, not self-sabotaging and, you know, and flogging

01:14:18.080 myself, you know, and never experiencing God's grace and moving on.

01:14:21.760 But I do, I want to be the guy who tells the whole story.

01:14:24.880 You know what I mean?

01:14:25.620 Like there's some leaders who are just like, they've got spine, they've got gravitas, they've

01:14:30.600 got virtue, you know. But like one of the reasons they're like so high and lifted up on this

01:14:37.480 pedestal and like they're awe-inspiring, but they're not... Nobody feels like they'll ever

01:14:45.820 be able to be like them, right? They don't feel real.

01:14:48.760 They don't feel real. And they don't feel real because they don't tell the whole story.

01:14:53.440 They don't tell the whole story. You see what they are now and you see what they want you to see,

01:14:58.720 but they won't tell you the whole story. They won't go, you know, rewind the track and go back

01:15:04.360 and say, hey, for the record, I did close my church like everyone else. Now, here's the

01:15:10.720 difference though. The difference is it was for four weeks and not four months and we never

01:15:14.580 closed it again. And when I opened the door, I owned it. I apologized. It's recorded. You can

01:15:20.880 go and watch the sermon where I apologize. And I didn't just apologize for getting it wrong.

01:15:25.900 I was able to articulate exegetically how I got it wrong and, and my, my new exegesis that is

01:15:32.600 actually biblically faithful that will keep me from getting it wrong in the future. Like, but

01:15:37.540 there's not a lot of guys like that. Every guy who's solid is solid. He didn't, he wasn't born

01:15:44.080 out of the womb solid. He became solid by doing exactly what I just described. And I guess I just

01:15:50.560 wish some of these guys would, would tell the story every once in a while of, of, of the process

01:15:56.100 of, of how God sanctified them to that. Like everybody has a track record of getting some

01:16:01.360 things wrong. Like, like, you know, if you think baptizing infants is right, well, guess what?

01:16:06.540 Doug used to be wrong then, right? Because he was like, he was a Baptist pastor. He had to change

01:16:12.580 in that. And he lost every single elder in the church when he made that change. And you know

01:16:17.280 what I mean? Like, like nobody just starts with all, all their ducks in a row. And so I think

01:16:22.640 it's helpful to, to, to, to tell the whole story, not in every podcast, not every sermon,

01:16:29.720 not, you know what I mean? Like, but, but from time to time, like, we're not just picking on

01:16:33.760 the guys who are 900 days late and saying, we were never late. My argument is not that I knew

01:16:39.360 all these things. My argument is I missed it too. But, but, but it took me 28 days by the grace of

01:16:46.900 God, and if it took you 900 days, in the same way that I had to give an explanation, I had to give

01:16:52.320 an account for my 28 days of stupidity, man, I want to see a heck of an account for that 900 days

01:16:59.580 of stupidity. You know what I mean? I think that's almost fair. Maybe it's because I just got back

01:17:03.800 from the Fight Laugh Feast Conference, or maybe I'm just a big softie, but I have a lot of hope

01:17:07.580 that this is going to happen at some level. I don't know how many people, but I think there's

01:17:11.940 going to be some big names. As more information comes out, I think they're going to do it, and

01:17:15.660 I'm hopeful, man. I'm hopeful it's going to be like a tidal wave after that. So we'll see.

01:17:20.980 Amen. All right, AD, thanks for coming on the show, man. Appreciate it.

01:17:24.100 God bless you, man.

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The NXR Podcast - October 18, 2022

THEOLOGY APPLIED - Still Waiting On Big Eva’s Apology For Covid Manipulation w AD Robles

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