The NXR Podcast - August 29, 2023


THEOLOGY APPLIED - The Boniface Option w Andrew Isker

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Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
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Andrew Isker Chuck DeLoderonte Russell Moore Benedict Doug Wilson Squirrely Joe Andrew Torba Stephen Wolf Joseph Boot Brian Sauve Joel Webin Joe Morris Eric Kahn MacArthur Mark Thor
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Pastor Andrew Isker joins Pastor Joel Webin to discuss his new book, The Boniface Option . Join Douglas Wilson, Dr. Joseph Boot, Brian Sauve, Eric Kahn, and myself on March 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for our conference, Blueprints for Chrysidom 2.0. Early Bird Pricing ends on August 31st.

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00:00:00 Join Douglas Wilson, Dr. Joseph Boot, Brian Sauve, Eric Kahn, and myself on March 1st,
00:00:07 2nd, and 3rd for our 2024 conference. It's called Blueprints for Chrysidom 2.0.
00:00:13 Our early bird pricing ends on Thursday, August 31st. So go and visit
00:00:19 rightresponseconference.com to register today. We hope to see you at the conference in March.
00:00:25 the boniface option andrew isker's brand new book has just been released and last time i checked
00:00:34 it's soaring through the charts even passing up the recent drivel written by russell moore so we
00:00:40 can always thank god for that we're going to be discussing two things about saint boniface number
00:00:46 one the man was used by god to chop down idols and number two he used the wood from these recently
00:00:53 chop down idols to restore and build the new Christodom. This is what we'll be discussing
00:00:59 on our episode today of Theology Applied with our special guest, Andrew Isker.
00:01:04 Applying God's Word to every aspect of life. This is Theology Applied.
00:01:14 All right, welcome to another episode of Theology Applied. I'm your host,
00:01:17 Pastor Joel Webin with Right Response Ministries. I'm very honored to welcome back to the show,
00:01:21 this is the second time now, Andrew Isker. Andrew Isker is a pastor in Minnesota or close to it?
00:01:28 Minnesota. You got it. Yeah. Okay. Close to Minneapolis. That's what I was thinking,
00:01:32 right? Not too close. Yeah. Not too close. So he's a pastor. He's also an author of a bestselling
00:01:39 book, him and Andrew Torba. They co-wrote, not the case for Christian nationalism, but just,
00:01:46 what was the subtitle? Christian nationalism? Christian nationalism. Yeah. And a Christian
00:01:49 Nationalism, A Biblical Guide to Taking Dominion and Discipling the Nations was the title. 1.00
00:01:55 Awesome. So yeah, so I read that book about a year ago when a bunch of other people read it too. I
00:01:59 thought you guys did a great job and I know that you were trying to, you know, and you nailed it
00:02:03 being first to Mark and just saying, all right, we've got something. Sure, we could take a year
00:02:07 and clean it up, you know, but not everybody can write the 400 page version of Christian
00:02:11 nationalism like Stephen Wolf, you know, so, but you beat him to the punch. You guys did a great
00:02:15 job that that was my first introduction to you i thought i thought it was well written i thought
00:02:20 you had a lot of good stuff to say thank you and then i had you on the show with cj who's your
00:02:24 podcast host that was a great time and now i'm having you again because now you you do have a
00:02:29 book that from from all the appearances it seems like this is the book that you did take your time
00:02:34 with you could you could have got it out sooner but it's like no i want this thorough ironclad
00:02:39 argument and the name of the book is what the boniface option is the name of the new book
00:02:44 the boniface option so and welcome to the show and let's just jump right in tell us about the
00:02:50 boniface option yeah well thank thank you so much for having me on again it's it's uh always a
00:02:56 pleasure and uh yeah the book it is uh it it's a book about uh the world that we live in is is
00:03:05 totally fake. It's not real. It's out of line with how God made the world. Every part of it
00:03:12 is this funhouse mirror of the created order that God made. So the last hundred years has been
00:03:21 really bad. It's destroyed so much of our way of life that God created for us.
00:03:29 And most people are totally oblivious to it. They're not aware of it. You're born into the
00:03:33 world you're born into and you don't realize it but if you look back you see oh people actually
00:03:37 had you know families and and households and we knew what men and women were and the differences
00:03:43 between men and women um we had you know actual education that that that people received um we had
00:03:49 uh we had functioning societies we had we had we had friends we had people we know uh most people
00:03:55 uh are completely alone they don't have any friends they don't have any relationships that
00:04:00 are real uh any any deep connections with people um and and so the world is it's really bad uh and
00:04:06 of course i don't want the book to be just oh if only you knew how bad things really were you know
00:04:11 that that meme uh but part of it is is recognizing and coming to grips with the reality of how bad
00:04:16 the world is but then also you know learning learning to hate that and love the world that
00:04:23 god actually made and and taking the steps in your own life and and with whatever your influence is
00:04:28 whatever you can do to to rebuild what is good and true and beautiful um and it's so it's an
00:04:34 exhortation to that to to do those things and you're playing off of also with the title the
00:04:39 boniface option as opposed to the benedict option go ahead and explain that for the listener yeah so
00:04:46 i'm sure you know a number of your your listeners are familiar with rod drear rod drear's book uh
00:04:53 the benedict option uh that came out i think in 2017 and you know i remember reading it i think
00:04:58 this is pretty good you know this this um this you know hits on a few points that that are
00:05:05 important i mean there's a reason that the book did really well it wasn't just totally astroturfed
00:05:09 by you know conservative inc um although it was uh but uh it was uh uh it had it had some good
00:05:17 points uh but his main takeaway is what we need to withdraw to intentional community to intentional
00:05:23 christian community and and i remember reading that i think okay cool that's good that's that's
00:05:28 stuff i want to do i want to to build up my church and build up my community and and have a have a
00:05:33 strong uh local community but then what now what do i do you know now now what do i do and uh is
00:05:41 there is there anything else we just you know build our little benedict option communities and
00:05:45 and hope that um that you know the united states federal government doesn't import you know 50,000
00:05:52 afghans into wherever we're living um it's like the hobbit strategy like let's just we'll stay
00:05:58 in the shire we'll draw to the shire yeah but sauron will get to the shire eventually yeah yeah
00:06:04 well exactly exactly and there will be no shires and and it's it's funny because i remember that
00:06:08 you know the controversy you know just uh you know a few months ago over your book and all the
00:06:14 people like oh you just want to leave there it is yeah yeah you want to leave california and go to
00:06:18 texas and everybody will be safe there you're just doing this benedict option thing and you're
00:06:22 just withdrawing withdrawing and surrendering and it's like well no the the point of of withdrawing
00:06:27 i mean it's just basic like military strategy is if you're cut off and outnumbered where you are
00:06:33 um you can stay and be overrun and totally destroyed and lose all your men or you can
00:06:39 retreat to a position of strength and reconsolidate and and and build up your strength again to be
00:06:45 able to go go on a counter-attack and fight back my my book was not uh an affirmation of quitting
00:06:52 and surrender yeah it was um it was just a it was a refuting of suicide yeah some christians in the
00:06:59 name of missional living it's really uh it's suicidal uh death it's like and and but because
00:07:07 for them that is the goal the goal is to suffer to be persecuted um it like the highest achievement
00:07:14 that a christian could have would be to be a martyr uh we lose down we lose down right that
00:07:19 is that is the goal and jesus will come back relatively soon so in their mindset it's like
00:07:24 it it makes sense like it you know go go to where the fire is the hottest and um and be faithful and 0.98
00:07:29 get your butt kicked and the harder that you're getting beat uh the the more pleased that that 0.95
00:07:34 jesus is whereas you know so for them they're like you know this is just surrender this is quitting 0.99
00:07:39 this is whereas for me it's like no it's it's actually the opposite it's um 80 and uh i were
00:07:45 talking 80 robles we were talking and he said one of the reasons people hate your book joel
00:07:48 is because um it's it's not novel it's very simple but one of the reasons they hate it is because
00:07:53 if everybody actually followed that strategy we might win down here and if we won that and if we
00:08:00 won down here then that would undermine the the 50 year long ministry of of a lot of guys who who 0.99
00:08:07 have been faithful in many ways but like yeah they would have to a lot of these boomer christians 0.54
00:08:11 would have to give an account because they assured everyone the reason why we weren't winning more is 0.91
00:08:15 because because it was written in the stars it was ordained by god you can't expected to lose
00:08:19 you can't but if our generation by the grace of god actually pushes back and experiences victory
00:08:24 then in some way we're not trying to breach the fifth commandment to honor our fathers but in
00:08:28 some way it is an indictment on previous evangelical christians that saying they could have done more
00:08:33 but they didn't. So back to you. Absolutely. I mean, I, I think of the same thing, you know,
00:08:38 I've, I've, um, you know, coached a football and baseball before and, you know, sometimes the teams
00:08:43 are good. Sometimes they're not good. You know, you, it depends on, on the talent that you have.
00:08:48 And if you don't have a very talented team and you're losing a lot of games, like you can make
00:08:51 a game plan to just lose respectively. Right. Right. Right. Was that me? Oh, no, that's me.
00:08:58 I'm sorry. I apologize. Like you can make a game plan where it's like, ah, you know, I know we're
00:09:02 not going to beat this other team but if we at least score a couple touchdowns and and only lose
00:09:07 by 28 instead of 50 uh then then then then you devise the game plan so you can maybe try to eke
00:09:14 out a couple touchdowns whereas you can you can devise a gameplay where maybe if it goes right
00:09:19 it might be close and you there's a chance you know a long shot that you might win um and i mean
00:09:25 the the the disparity is higher where if you follow that course you could lose by 50 right
00:09:31 And so it's kind of the same thing where it's where it's like, well, you know, we can we can we're going to keep flowing away.
00:09:38 We're going to keep fighting and we're not going to look like we're surrendering.
00:09:43 And we might even have a couple of wins, some long shot wins like we we sue the state of California and our church can stay open.
00:09:49 Right. Praise God. But yeah, it's great.
00:09:51 You know, yeah, absolutely. No one was happier for, you know, MacArthur and those guys than me.
00:09:56 I'm like, great. I wanted them to win. But the overall strategy otherwise is losing by 50. It's not good. So I think, yeah, I think ADE is absolutely right that if the mindset is we lose, well, you're going to get what you're aiming for every time.
00:10:15 Um, and so, you know, as far as my book goes, you know, the, the goal that, that I'm after
00:10:22 is, um, it's, it's, you know, it's less on the, on the corporate strategy or the group
00:10:28 strategy, like, like the Benedict option necessarily, but it's more, um, you know,
00:10:34 digging in deeper on a, on a, you know, sociological level of all the things that are wrong, all
00:10:41 the ideas that are wrong, all the ways that we live that, that many, I mean, I look at
00:10:45 And I in mind when I'm writing it, I'm thinking about many of my Christian friends who go to, you know, your your big box evangelical church and they haven't thought too deeply about really any of the things about, you know, how how we live our life in year 2023.
00:11:04 and you know they're certainly not like getting any teaching at these churches about you know
00:11:09 the cultural changes that are occurring or or or anything or any any of the political changes or
00:11:14 any of that of course not and uh so they're oblivious to the way things actually are um and
00:11:21 and one of the things that i think rattled some people out of their their slumber um over the
00:11:26 last year is is the trans stuff the trans agenda the um especially in the schools and and all of
00:11:33 the the trans stuff that's been pushed um you know the bathrooms all all of that kind of stuff
00:11:37 where you know people started going to school board meetings and things like this um and and
00:11:42 people you're shocked they can't believe this is happening it's like well this something like this
00:11:47 has been happening for the last 20 years in the schools it's just reached a further inflection
00:11:52 point now um but a lot of it is like they just they're oblivious to they have no idea that things
00:11:58 are this way and and they also have no idea about how the way things used to be you know so before
00:12:04 we you know we want to know we're talking about like patriarchy and and things like that you know
00:12:09 and it's it's shocking to me um i mean maybe just because i'm i'm an outlier but i because i
00:12:16 have always had an interest in history um but all human societies you know christian or non-christian
00:12:24 had had a way of life where you had households where you had a father leading a household and
00:12:30 and and his his wife submitting to him and his children submitting to him and he's leading he's
00:12:35 actively leading them uh that was that's just built in to how everybody everywhere lived other
00:12:41 than a couple random you know tribes in papa new guinea or something where they have a matriarchy
00:12:44 that some anthropologists can point to you know but it's like 99.9 of all of human history
00:12:50 is this way. And it's like, wow, it's almost like God built it that way. And so you begin
00:12:56 discussing this and seeing this and thinking about this, what this looks like and the changes
00:13:01 that occurred in the 20th century where, okay, we're not in this patriarchal society. Now we're
00:13:06 in a society where mom and dad are both expected to have careers. And I mean, especially with the
00:13:13 way the economic circumstances we're in now, even more so today, like you couldn't possibly get a
00:13:19 house uh that you can buy unless you and your wife are both pulling in you know close to six
00:13:24 figures like it's an impossibility and so you know you you that's the world we have now and you tell 0.86
00:13:32 people well there was another world that existed that wasn't like this at all where a single man
00:13:38 could provide for a household right and he didn't have to be you know a nuclear engineer or a lawyer
00:13:44 or somebody you know very highly skilled and highly compensated he could be a guy that works
00:13:48 in a factory yeah right you know uh you can be a truck driver you can be whatever and be able to
00:13:52 provide for a family and um you know it's like it blows people's eyes like that we had that that
00:13:59 existed um and so it's learning i mean the first step is like being aware that there was another
00:14:04 way to live and that's been stolen from you and taken away from you and you should try to uh you
00:14:12 Cobble together, if you can, that life again, because it's good and it's the best way of life for you and for your wife, for your children.
00:14:21 And, of course, not everybody's in a position where they can do that.
00:14:23 Not everybody is able to escape what I call in the book trash world in the same way.
00:14:30 But you have to do whatever it is you can.
00:14:33 And so, I mean, it's so many of these things.
00:14:36 I mean, I, I, in the book, I mean, I have, I have a chapter in there just, just about, um, atomization and how, um, I, I remember, you know, during the, during, um, you know, I don't know if we can use the word if you're, if this is on YouTube, you know, uh, during, during that time.
00:14:55 uh yeah i don't know what they allow anymore or whatever uh but um you during that time um you
00:15:02 you saw that i think most people realized how alone they were and how few you know friends how
00:15:10 limited social interaction that's real beyond you know the workplace uh people have i mean most
00:15:16 most people's lives is it's they go they they wake up at at five or six in the morning go to their
00:15:23 job uh come back and you know play video games or watch tv and then do the exact same thing all over
00:15:29 again and then maybe on the weekend they'll hang out with a couple friends and that like that's
00:15:33 their life that's all they have they don't have any any extended network of of of friendship or
00:15:38 people that they know you know they don't have 20 or 30 friends um and several people and there's
00:15:43 there's all these sociological studies that there there's a you know a significant percentage of
00:15:47 people that have zero close friends at all in in real life um they're all of their interaction is
00:15:54 online so you see like during the lockdown some people loved being locked down they thought it
00:15:59 was great uh because they don't they they can live their lives inside of a pod and and feel
00:16:06 totally fulfilled um but like that that's that's the state of life for for many many people especially
00:16:12 young people today is they're alone they don't have anybody they don't have anybody that loves
00:16:17 to them they don't have anybody they can love um they don't many of them don't have families in any
00:16:22 real sense and and that's not by accident it's not it didn't just like shake out this way randomly
00:16:30 um all of these things all these bonds that god created us to have have been ripped away from us
00:16:37 and people who don't have those things who don't have strong relationships a local community people
00:16:43 nearby them that they know and love and care about they're very easy to rule right they're
00:16:48 very easy to manipulate they're very easy to dominate and it's like wow i wonder if that's
00:16:53 you know a design feature of the world that we live in of course it is you know of course it is
00:16:58 so um a lot of it is is like just recognizing like this this world is fake you know i call it um
00:17:04 in the book fake and gay i mean that's a it's an internet it's internet jargon um but i go into the
00:17:09 book and and explain that it's not just this sophomoric you know uh slur uh being used there's
00:17:16 actually a deep meaning to it um and you have to read the book to find out what i mean but uh uh
00:17:21 but uh it it is um it's this world that is it's not real it's a you know a similar you've explained
00:17:28 fake i think pretty well explain the gay part because i know that you know it's a play on
00:17:32 words but it also has you you mean it it's a good word yeah explain yeah um so i part of it is
00:17:38 yeah there was um there was you know the the libertarian um political philosopher
00:17:46 uh hans hermit hoppe he used to have a position at at uh unlv and he was teaching there and he
00:17:54 he was explaining he was just explained in kind of detached economic terms um that you that that
00:18:02 that homosexuals are high time preference people right they don't have offspring and they um other
00:18:09 than the ones they like buy and they um they their lives are are designed in such a way that 0.97
00:18:18 they're they are on the forefront of their mind is what whatever you know experience or pleasure
00:18:24 things that they want they can have immediately right so the high they are not you know low time
00:18:29 preference is good high time preference is bad it's you know it's it's uh and so a consumerist
00:18:34 society is built along those same lines where you want people to be as high type reference as
00:18:39 possible you know zero uh deferred gratification or delayed gratification whatsoever you want it
00:18:45 you want it now um and so i mean in the book i talk about um i talk about uh michelle foucault
00:18:54 um the uh you know the left-wing uh philosopher you know homosexual and he's you know he's told
00:19:01 he was told um you know basically that you know he died of aids in the in the 80s and he's you 0.76
00:19:08 know famous for you know i don't want to get too graphic but you know going to the the bath houses
00:19:12 in san francisco and so forth uh and it's very very disgusting uh filthy uh dangerous uh unhygienic
00:19:19 places and told like, well, if you keep doing this, you're going to die. And I mean, he wrote
00:19:24 in his book, you know, uh, sex is more important to me than, than, than death. Right. Like, and so
00:19:31 like his, his whole, his entire lifestyle that he's built is I want this and I don't care if it
00:19:36 kills me. Right. And so, um, the world that has been crafted and been socially engineered for us
00:19:43 is for everyone what you know regardless of their their sexual predilections or preferences 0.60
00:19:49 uh to be spiritually homosexual in in that same way as fuko where i want the thing that i want 0.59
00:19:56 right now and i don't care if i die to get it um i don't care if it ruins my life uh i want this 0.71
00:20:03 thing right now that's that's i mean you think about like our society is very much like that
00:20:07 I mean, it's this built-in fixed feature almost of our society to be these apex consumerists, to just want whatever we want. I mean, credit card debt in the United States just passed $1 trillion this last week, household credit card debt.
00:20:25 and it's like that's that's that's by design they want people to be this way they want people to
00:20:30 uh to be massively in debt and just wanting the next thing more stuff more and more stuff more
00:20:35 more vacations more trips more nice things i mean that was the whole point of the uh ultimately like
00:20:40 the the the money that they handed out during covid um is go buy stuff now you know and and
00:20:46 people did um so anyway like that that when i when i use that phrase it's not just this like
00:20:51 um you know kind of childish pejorative it's it's that no they they want us to to live like we are
00:20:57 homosexuals right to have to have no family to have no future to have nothing on the horizon
00:21:03 yeah it's a good word yeah to live in a way that it's perverse immediate gratification with no 1.00
00:21:09 posterity no legacy yeah it's a good word um and and where you're ultimately it's also uh self-love 0.98
00:21:16 you're in love with yourself yes it's narcissistic and it's yeah it's narcissistic yeah gay is gay is 0.63
00:21:21 a great word um in addition so uh you know it's a great word you know in terms of in terms of the 0.98
00:21:28 way that you're you're using let the listener understand yeah yeah um okay so going back you
00:21:34 you answered some of this but i i still feel like i i want the listener to know a little bit more
00:21:39 about saint benedict and oh and saint boniface like the the actual guy so there's the benedict
00:21:45 option it was written you know the book it was written by rod drear drear and it was very much
00:21:50 like retreat have your enclave your conservative thing and it's it's hey hobbits it's it's sam
00:21:55 and frodo um we appreciate the effort high five you know but go back to the shire and uh and live
00:22:01 live out the rest of your days you know and um and and that'll work you know your generation you
00:22:07 know your generation you might you know you might be able to live out your days and then your
00:22:11 children you know are dead and sauron's you know sauron's going to take everything over so that's
00:22:15 a benedict option but the boniface option is it includes and i think this might you know the
00:22:20 listener might be surprised but like your book i think people were bothered because they thought
00:22:25 my fight by flight uh was kind of like in the benedict um but but i'm very much in in agreement
00:22:32 with you we're both post-millennial right you're post-millennial yes i am we're both post-millennial
00:22:37 we both want to win but we also recognize that um there are times for tactical momentary retreats
00:22:44 but not for pleasure, not the gay option, not for just pleasure and our immediate, you know, 0.74
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00:26:35 eat healthy and support Christians serving Christians. St. Benedict, he was just kind of,
00:26:42 hey, let's do our thing. But St. Boniface, the actual man, what is significant about him?
00:26:47 what did he do yeah so um yeah i go in i go into it in the book a little bit about about the story
00:26:53 of saint boniface and and boniface was um was actually a benedictine monk um so he was part
00:27:00 of the order of saint benedict and he was you know he um was trained up in the monastery and
00:27:06 and was actually offered the choice to become the the abbot of the monastery he was in in england
00:27:11 and he chose against it he said no i want to go be a missionary to um the peoples on the other side
00:27:22 on the the north and east of the rhine on the on the border of of what was then christendom
00:27:28 and and especially he's motivated uh because he's he's a saxon and he all of the people in
00:27:36 you know northwest uh what's now you know germany and and and holland uh they're saxons as well so
00:27:43 these are his these are his kinsmen that don't know christ and he he wants them to to become
00:27:49 christian and so he uh he left he's he's uh commissioned uh to go um lead a mission there
00:27:59 and uh he you know he crosses the rhine the first thing that he does one of the first things he he
00:28:03 He did some missionary work for a few years before this, but when he really began it outright, he identifies the major shrine of the German pagans called the Oak of Thor.
00:28:20 And the story goes that they believed that if anyone touched this tree, that Thor would strike him dead with a bolt of lightning.
00:28:31 and so he goes one day and tells them you know i'm going to come back tomorrow at midday
00:28:40 and not only am i going to touch your tree i'm going to cut it down and and so word went out
00:28:49 to all the villages nearby and and hundreds of people came the next day because they wanted to 0.98
00:28:53 see this foolish christian get fried and so saint boniface with uh took one swing of his axe and 0.97
00:29:02 then at least the legend goes that a wind came out of heaven and and and split the tree knocked 0.98
00:29:08 it over and all of the the people that witnessed that that day were were baptized and became
00:29:15 christians and then you know he took the wood from from the tree and built the first church
00:29:21 in in germany out of it uh and so that that story always you know really resonated with me i mean
00:29:27 it's an amazing story and um and later he was i mean continued his missionary work into his you
00:29:32 know into old age and was martyred uh in freesia uh by by by a band of uh of freesian robbers
00:29:41 and they they killed him and he actually like he uh he held up his big bible and uh the bible that
00:29:49 he had is is buried with him and has a big axe mark in it um and uh and and i mean even even
00:29:57 more like my my um paternal heritage uh comes from freesia from from that land from east
00:30:04 freesland and and so i you know it resonates with me even more that like my people are the
00:30:09 ones that that martyred him um and they all became christians eventually you know because of his
00:30:13 because of his faithfulness um so you know it's it's an amazing story this is i mean this is it's
00:30:21 meaningful to me personally because this is where my how my my people uh that i'm descended from
00:30:25 were evangelized and um you know and and so as i'm seeing you know you know years ago i'm seeing
00:30:32 the benedict option and people talking about it thinking about it thinking well i would much rather
00:30:38 have people who have the same spirit as saint boniface where everything that i'm reading in
00:30:45 this is no let's let's retreat let's go back to the monastery and all all of that is contingent
00:30:50 i mean the thing that drear doesn't you know talk about in the book is you can't have those
00:30:55 monasteries where people are able to retreat and copy make copies of the bible and make copies of
00:31:00 great western literature and preserving culture and so forth which is is important and good
00:31:05 You can't have that unless there are very rugged men willing to do violence to protect you, which is what they had.
00:31:15 I mean, the Franks converted and became Christians and they're brutal men and they fought and defended the monasteries. 0.63
00:31:25 There were outside political forces that used politics and used the sword to defend these men of God. 0.82
00:31:34 So it's like, well, you can't have the Benedict option unless there's somebody out there watching over these communities, at least temporally. 0.50
00:31:43 Some kind of Christian prince, huh?
00:31:45 Yeah, I know.
00:31:46 Yeah, exactly.
00:31:46 Exactly.
00:31:47 And so how are we going to get that?
00:31:49 Like, where's that going to come from?
00:31:50 Who's going to make these guys?
00:31:51 And so that's the thing that hit me is like, well, we need people that are willing to fight.
00:31:57 We need people that want to stand up and say, this is wrong.
00:32:01 I am not going to tolerate this.
00:32:03 i'm gonna fight it and and like those are the people that i want to read my book right those
00:32:09 are the people that i want to encourage those are the people that i want to say yes you're right
00:32:12 don't let these people tell you that you're bad or wrong or not a good christian if you say this
00:32:16 is evil and bad and i want to fight it right that's that's that's the people i want reading
00:32:21 my book and i want to be encouraged uh people that that have that same spirit that i see this
00:32:26 this idol here and i'm going to go cut it down um i'm not going to tolerate it at all i mean it's
00:32:32 it's it's this great testament it's like elijah i mean there's very a lot of similarities to um to
00:32:37 elijah and elisha um where you know they're they're they're fighting these evil idols that are around
00:32:45 them that are set up and and that's that's the kind of people we need to be today right we're in
00:32:52 it we're you know drear uses this term post-christian your world i think he's you know i think
00:32:56 it's it's more or less correct and and we need to recognize their reality and begin fighting back
00:33:03 begin saying no this is wrong right when the drag show is going on in the community like like
00:33:07 just nearby here there was the young man in wisconsin who who went and preached the bible
00:33:11 and gets arrested for it we need more guys like that like that's a guy who has the same the thing
00:33:15 that i'm talking about that's a guy who is is like saint boniface sees this idol and preaches against
00:33:21 it and and is ready to bear the consequences for for faithfulness right those are the kind of men
00:33:27 we need amen um no that's great i completely agree i would be of the boniface of persuasion
00:33:34 i'm on your team go fight win um any other final thoughts from the book i know you don't want to
00:33:39 give everything away you just released it real quick you might as well go ahead and plug the
00:33:44 book where can people get it uh yeah so right now uh right now the only place um it that it's being
00:33:51 sold is amazon so there's probably some people like i don't want to use amazon ever i hate amazon
00:33:55 um so if you're if you if you are okay buying something for amazon get it there um otherwise
00:34:01 at the gab uh store there will eventually be copies uh that will be able to to ship out from
00:34:07 there as well if you want to go directly through gab uh but if you want it right now and i hope you
00:34:12 do uh you can go to amazon and just type in the boniface option you'll see it there there's a
00:34:17 cover with saint boniface chopping down a tree and it's it's uh it's modernized you know it's
00:34:22 there's pictures of all of our idols that we have um you know in our day uh on on the cover so i
00:34:30 think yeah you shared the book cover with me i thought it was really insightful it's great
00:34:33 yeah it's it was great we there's a uh emerson is his handle he he uh illustrated it and he did an
00:34:40 excellent job and it really conveys, I think what we're going for, for sure. Yeah. I will say this
00:34:48 and when it comes to buying something off of Amazon, I think if you're gonna, if you're gonna
00:34:52 compromise books are worth a compromise because even though, yeah, it'd be better to get off of
00:34:57 Gab, my book, you know, I encourage people to, you know, write response ministries.com. You can
00:35:02 buy the book there. It's cheaper off of our website. But the one thing though, about getting
00:35:06 a book off of Amazon is it does help the rating of the book and it gets it out to more people
00:35:10 because you can leave a review and the more books that sell that Amazon is tracking, you know,
00:35:15 then it, then the book climbs up the charts and more people see it. And so, uh, in that sense,
00:35:19 you could, you could think of it as an evangelistic strategy that, okay, I'm not just feeding the
00:35:24 beast, you know, like, uh, so, you know, so go and buy your groceries locally, you know, but maybe,
00:35:28 maybe buy Andrew's book on Amazon. Well, yeah. And that, I mean, that's the thing too. I've,
00:35:32 I've encouraged people that like, they don't like when our books, you know, hit the, the, 0.98
00:35:39 the list and and like we just there was a the one of these odious regime evangelicals uh andrew
00:35:45 whitehead uh just published his book and we immediately passed that one up and and uh we're
00:35:50 about to pass up russell moore's book that he published and so like if you want to thumb your
00:35:55 nose at those people because they they pay attention to this stuff so if you want to make
00:35:58 russell moore feel bad or andrew whitehead or any of these awful people um buy the book there and
00:36:04 help it climb the charts so they can see that nobody cares what they think and they care what
00:36:09 we think instead that's great um all right any other final words about about the boniface option
00:36:16 about or even just you know aside from the book just an encouragement to young men who maybe you
00:36:20 know a lot of guys have probably just given up on the church i i come across those guys all the time
00:36:25 through youtube they email me and they're just like i can't find a church and if i do find a
00:36:30 church, you know, it's just, um, they hate men. Uh, you know, like I'm, I'm constantly being
00:36:36 despised. They claim to be complimentary and they claim to, you know, to affirm male headship.
00:36:41 But when you really get down to it, like, what does male headship means? It just, it means that,
00:36:46 um, it means that, uh, that you have zero authority, uh, in any functional practical
00:36:52 way and that you lay down all, all of your rights and all of your, this and all your,
00:36:57 that not for the good of your wife and your children but for your wife's um fleshly preferences
00:37:02 that's what it means to be complementarian and guys guys just know that that that's why they're
00:37:07 going to andrew tate that's why they're you know and i'm not saying that's right that's not a good
00:37:10 option but one of the reasons i feel like you know we talked you know offline before we recorded but
00:37:14 like the return of the strong gods is is a book that um has been helpful and these things are
00:37:19 inevitable there's going to be the strong gods being you know like um a return of patriarchy
00:37:24 tradition religion nationalism a sense of you know pride for your nation and allegiances to
00:37:31 your fatherland those these things are coming back and we're seeing the pendulum swing back
00:37:35 from weak gods which would be inclusivism you know and open-mindedness and um you know principled
00:37:42 pluralism and all that there's a swing back from that to these strong gods and patriarchy is one
00:37:48 of the male headship fam tight family that's led by a man who loves his wife loves his children he's
00:37:54 strong and he is um in a position of leadership there is a return to that and my concern is that
00:38:00 as as our culture is shifting and it is happening as it shifts from these weak gods of egalitarian
00:38:07 feminism those kind of things back to patriarchy that there won't be over here it's not whether
00:38:12 but which patriarchy is coming back so the question is what which kind of patriarchy and i'm i'm
00:38:18 concerned there's not a biblical option that it's going to the only patriarchal option that they'll 0.79
00:38:22 find are going to be guys on the internet who, who are Muslim and who, who hate Christ and, 0.97
00:38:28 or who are polygamists or who are, you know, um, promiscuous or whatever, because all the 0.92
00:38:33 Christian guys who have the right theology for the most part, um, they're, they're functionally
00:38:39 egalitarian. They're not, they're functionally egalitarian, they're feminist. And so anyway,
00:38:44 so all that being said, you know, there's guys, my point is there are guys who feel hopeless.
00:38:48 that's just one issue the patriarchy issue but whether it be that or whatever it is uh there
00:38:52 are guys who feel like you know they've taken the red pill their eyes are open they see that the
00:38:57 world is trash world like what you're saying in the book um but they feel like um you know it's
00:39:03 like rohan you know it's it's just despair they're following up that red pill or at least very
00:39:08 tempted to follow it up with a black pill so what would you say to those those young men
00:39:13 yeah i mean that's that's a big part of the book is like the first section um you know six chapters
00:39:20 and the first the first section of the book really is you know to use to use that internet lingo you
00:39:26 know the red taking a red pill and and being awakened to the way the world really is and then
00:39:32 the the final six chapters correspond to the first the first six and it's you know white pills right
00:39:39 here's how you can win right here's here are the things that you can do to win down here and not
00:39:44 not just give everything away not just lose not not uh not not surrender everywhere you go um
00:39:51 because yeah like like you said i mean these things god god made the world the way that he did 0.97
00:39:56 and and trash world you know there's you know or you know we call it global homo or all the 0.94
00:40:02 different phrases that we use for it um it is it's fake it's socially engineered and it's it's 1.00
00:40:09 like this it's it's it's like you know when my kids have a project or something and they they
00:40:14 glue together a bunch of you know popsicle sticks to make you know some kind of structure like that's
00:40:18 what it's it's rickety and built like that and it's going to come crashing down and like you 0.99
00:40:23 said there aren't christians not very many of them anyway who are who see to see that for one
00:40:30 And then have any kind of faithful Christian response to any and all of these issues, whether it's patriarchy or nationalism or anything else, or right-wing politics, things like that.
00:40:46 There are very few Christians who are willing to say, okay, here's the way that God made the world. Feminism is evil. All the sexual degeneracy is evil. All of the machinations of the globalist regime to destroy your country, those things are evil. 0.97
00:41:05 and and here is is how you personally can begin to fight back with your own life the things that
00:41:13 that you can personally do uh to make the the world that you live in better not just for yourself
00:41:19 but for the people around you for your family for your children uh because yeah i i believe that we
00:41:26 are going to win uh and it might be the kind of winning that that will occur you know might not
00:41:31 happen in my lifetime i think it could right it very well could happen in our lifetimes but
00:41:35 um i want to at the very least prepare my children after me to to continue this fight to continue this
00:41:43 this to fight this world see it for what it is and build the things build real things that that
00:41:49 matter in the world um for people and so some of it is yeah i get the same you know emails phone
00:41:55 calls texts you know messages online uh from so many young guys some of them aren't even christians
00:42:02 and and they but they want to be right they want to find a church they want to find a place and and
00:42:07 and these these churches you know like yours like mine uh they exist they're they're real they're
00:42:13 out there uh but you know they're they're there's not many of them but when you find them and we can
00:42:19 be part of a good community right then that you need to just dive head first and be part of it
00:42:23 and build things there um and i think that things like that will continue to grow there'll be more
00:42:29 churches that are willing to stand up that are willing to uh you know if i will you know take
00:42:34 the boniface option be willing to chop down idols and and tell the truth and be bold and say the
00:42:40 things that need to be said because the point i mean the point of the pulpit is to encourage the
00:42:45 people of god right to encourage the people of god in the lives that they're living every day
00:42:49 and and if they see this world burning down around them and all this destruction all these horrible
00:42:54 things and they're not getting that they're not they're not being told yeah you're right these
00:42:58 things are bad and here's here's what jesus has to say about that here's what his word has to say
00:43:03 about here's how you could be encouraged and here's the things you should be doing uh if you're
00:43:07 not getting that go go somewhere where you do get it um not just online not just from people like
00:43:12 me or joe like go like physically to a place where where that exists because they're out there you
00:43:17 can find them but it takes it's hard it takes work so many of the things in the book the white
00:43:21 pills right they don't go down easy right they're hard they're difficult it's there's a lot of sweat
00:43:26 and and blood and tears that you're going to you know uh shed uh in order to in order to build the
00:43:33 things that need to be built but but it's worth it it absolutely is and so yeah read read the book
00:43:38 and leave a review tell me you know find me on on twitter and on gab and everywhere else and tell
00:43:43 me what you think you know if you've read it uh i really i hope that it i hope that it encourages
00:43:47 you know especially young men um you know uh that it it encourages them it builds them up and it
00:43:55 causes them to be willing and ready to fight and gives them it gives them permission not that they
00:44:00 need it but says no it's okay you're right to want to fight these things no you you're right and if
00:44:05 people are telling you you're wrong they're wrong you need to you need to be willing to fight and
00:44:09 be willing to say and do the things that that are true um and and so yeah read the book i hope you
00:44:15 like it i'm very excited it's been a lot of work uh to to get out there um and i i hope it blesses
00:44:22 a lot of people how many pages is it i think it's it's not long it's like 160 140 or 160 i can't
00:44:32 remember the last type setting that we did so it's not super long it's not for you know i love
00:44:36 steven uh steven's a friend of mine it's not 440 pages long uh with lots of footnotes uh uh that
00:44:42 was a great read uh but uh it's a it's a little bit uh yeah a little bit shorter than that so you
00:44:48 can you can read it in an in a in a day if you really wanted to awesome well uh thanks so much
00:44:54 for coming on the show andrew i appreciate what you're doing i uh appreciate you sending me the
00:44:59 book i started reading some of it today i plan to finish it and i'm excited to see how god uses it
00:45:03 to encourage young men and young women
00:45:06 that we could continue to push forward
00:45:09 the crown rights of King Jesus.
00:45:10 Thanks for coming on the show.
00:45:11 Amen. Thank you so much for having me.