The NXR Podcast - THEOLOGY APPLIED - The Divisive Poison Of Racial Reconciliation And Social Justice

00:00:00.440 Applying God's Word to every aspect of life. This is Theology Applied.

00:00:11.360 All right, welcome to another episode of Theology Applied with Right Response Ministries.

00:00:16.280 I'm your host, Pastor Joel Webin. Today, I'm very honored and privileged to have two of my friends,

00:00:23.480 just incredible men of God who have done a lot of great, courageous work for the church at large,

00:00:29.300 standing up against some of the false ideologies and vain philosophies that keep creeping into

00:00:37.020 the church. And sadly, even into good reformed churches. A lot of people I don't think are

00:00:44.020 malicious. I think a lot of people on this particular subject are just being played.

00:00:48.280 They're just being deceived that their sympathy and sentiment is getting the best of them. They

00:00:53.860 just need to be properly educated and informed about what the Bible says in particular to the

00:00:59.260 issue of social justice, racial reconciliation, identity politics, these kinds of topics,

00:01:08.340 this big Trojan horse issue, and I think two of the leading voices on this subject, even

00:01:14.720 if they were white, they'd be leading voices because their content is what matters. But 0.59

00:01:18.900 two brothers, Daryl Harrison, Virgil Walker, can you guys introduce yourselves from the

00:01:24.140 Just Thinking Podcast, Incredible Men of God. Yeah, I'll get started, man. Virgil Walker,

00:01:30.940 I'm half of the dynamic duo known as the Just Thinking Podcast, Just Thinking Crew. I'm here

00:01:39.500 in Omaha, Nebraska, excited to be a part of what's going on. Can't wait, Brother Joel,

00:01:45.400 to have this conversation with you. And glad to be here with my main man, Daryl.

00:01:49.780 daryl harrison uh the other half of the just thinking podcast which i co-host with my main

00:01:57.200 man virgil walker i'm based here in southern california in the valencia area um day job

00:02:04.580 is as dean of social media with grace to you uh and uh glad to be with you here once again joel's

00:02:11.100 been a long time brother good to be with you yeah it's been a while the last time i think uh daryl

00:02:16.380 It was, well, for both of you guys in person was at the at the Shepherds Conference.

00:02:21.780 And it was right before all the craziness of COVID-19.

00:02:25.900 And little did we know what 2020 would have in store for us.

00:02:29.360 So in fact, in fact, it was right after that Shepcon and we got home that all of the shutdowns started taking place.

00:02:36.900 That's right. Yeah. Our nation, our nation, especially California, where me and Daryl are, has been very much committed to to, you know,

00:02:45.180 seeing a spider in the house and then going ahead and just let's just burn the whole house down

00:02:49.340 to get that spider. So. All right. So before we hop into our topic, I just I got to bring it up 0.78

00:02:56.440 with you, Daryl, because you're a fellow California citizen in a state that greatly aspires

00:03:03.680 to reach the likeness of other up and coming third world countries like like Venezuela or

00:03:11.360 North Korea or China. What is it like for you, Derek? Because I know you're conservative. I know

00:03:16.580 your politics. I've gleaned so much from you. What is it like having your views and living in

00:03:22.620 California? What's that like? Yeah. California is different. Just so your viewers and listeners

00:03:29.060 will know, let me give a little bit of background. I'm a native of Atlanta, Georgia.

00:03:34.300 My wife and I, my wife Melissa and I, we relocated to Southern California in January of 2019

00:03:40.260 to take an opportunity here to join the staff at Grace to You, which is the Bible teaching

00:03:47.160 ministry of John MacArthur. And most of your viewers probably know that John MacArthur's

00:03:51.600 church, Grace Community Church, is based here in Southern California. So my wife and I relocated

00:03:56.160 from Atlanta to Valencia, California in January of 2019. So I've been here close to two years now.

00:04:03.580 And I have to say that one of the things, there are many things that I'm still getting used to

00:04:09.820 uh in this transition from georgia to california and one of those things is is just the political

00:04:16.540 climate here uh the political climate here seems to me as an outsider uh having been here for for

00:04:24.140 almost a couple years now the political climate here is such that uh long-term residents of the

00:04:29.740 state, natives of the state, seem content to put up with and adjust to some of the most onerous,

00:04:45.040 burdensome laws and regulations, all for the sake of being able to live in a state where the weather

00:04:51.720 is nice every day. That's what it seems to me. I mean, some of the things I'm learning,

00:04:59.100 you know, I've been able to vote in two elections now since I moved here in California. I've been

00:05:04.800 able to vote in two elections here. And some of the things, the referendums and whatnot that you

00:05:10.280 see on the balance, especially here in LA County, where I live, are just unbelievable. There was

00:05:19.040 the cost of living here, the degree to which government basically runs or to a very great

00:05:32.480 degree influences life here in this state. It seems to be, to me anyway, where most of the

00:05:40.740 folks who live here, they just sort of put up with it. There's nothing that they won't

00:05:46.220 push back on from the standpoint of government intrusion in exchange for the sun coming out

00:05:53.460 every day as if the government had anything to do with the sun coming out every day.

00:05:58.120 Right, right. Yeah, it's, man, the regulation, you know, it always seems like, you know, it's

00:06:04.540 safety versus liberty, right? It seems like in order for a government to be able to take

00:06:10.540 more individual liberty away from its citizens, there has to be some kind of trade that the

00:06:15.840 citizens find attractive. They have to see the value. And it always seems like public safety

00:06:21.820 becomes the bait for citizens to be willing to forfeit individual freedom, individual liberty.

00:06:28.480 And so it's, I mean, you know, I grew up in Texas and at the end of this year, I'm taking,

00:06:34.780 you know, leading a team of 20 people out of California, leaving our church to plant a new

00:06:39.340 church and the Republic of Texas going back. And in Texas, you know, if you want to ride in the

00:06:44.520 bed of a truck. Um, it's dangerous. Your safety is in jeopardy. Uh, but you have the freedom to

00:06:50.320 be stupid, right? Like the government, the government's not reaching in when I'm taking 1.00

00:06:54.340 a shower to turn down the hot water. So I don't burn myself. You know, it's just get out of my

00:06:58.860 bathroom, get out of my house, get out of my life and, and give me freedom. But I think when,

00:07:04.000 if you can scare the populace, right. With some kind of, and that's why it seems like the

00:07:09.020 democratic party, it's always some kind of threat, right. It's climate crisis. It's, it's COVID-19.

00:07:13.500 There's always got to be some kind of threat to the public safety to where the people will say, we'll pay you in freedom for you to give us back and return our safety.

00:07:25.400 And that trade, a lot of the country is not willing to make.

00:07:29.600 But Californians, they just love to make that trade.

00:07:34.500 I don't know what it is.

00:07:35.940 I haven't been able to figure it out.

00:07:37.920 I like that sort of wordplay you're doing there.

00:07:40.240 you know, trade with the, we're in trade with the government in exchange for, for good weather

00:07:44.740 here in California. Yeah, we'll put up with higher chances. We'll put up with more burdensome

00:07:48.620 regulations. We'll put up with, uh, you know, especially in the midst of this COVID, uh,

00:07:53.380 situation, and we'll, we'll put up with more, uh, restrictions on our freedoms. Uh, and you look at,

00:07:58.840 uh, look at, for example, Verza and I, the past couple of months, we've done a lot of travel.

00:08:03.700 Uh, we've probably been in five or six states, uh, going to speak at one church or another.

00:08:09.300 and the the thing that i've learned in in our recent travels is that once you're outside of

00:08:15.900 california that's america it's outside of california yeah everything outside of california

00:08:24.060 is relatively normal still we've been in florida georgia louisiana uh through texas missouri

00:08:31.520 states like that so once you're outside of california that seems like america but once

00:08:36.660 back in california in california then you did it really has the feel in contradistinction to those

00:08:44.240 other states that this this is very much a an element of an element of a third world uh nation

00:08:52.840 yeah cuba north north korea because uh you can't even listen when you when you have the government

00:09:01.480 telling you now what you can and can't do within the confines of your own private residence,

00:09:08.420 then your residence is no longer private. That's right. Your residence is no longer private. When

00:09:13.480 the government, just by edict, okay, just by edict, when a Newsom or the government of Washington

00:09:20.780 State or the governor of Michigan can just by edict sign their name to a document and say that

00:09:27.380 within your own home, you can only have a certain number of individuals present. And even when

00:09:33.600 they're present, you must be, you must be masked up. This is within your own home. Now, when that

00:09:41.560 happens, when that happens, as it's happening right now, something has got to click within

00:09:48.500 your mind that this is not this is not supposed to be happening in america right it is not now

00:09:56.400 we all know as christians as believers in the lord jesus christ that the law has its place

00:10:03.980 right all have its place but when when what we're seeing right now is a is a total bastardization

00:10:12.260 of the role that that the god-given role that government was designed by god to play

00:10:18.900 in the context of romans 13 this is that this is not that role no it's not so so when we have

00:10:26.220 objective empirical evidence that government instead of governing is now ruling it's just

00:10:34.320 one thing to govern it's nothing to rule right okay government exists to govern not to rule over

00:10:41.240 us so so so something has got to click in your head that says when i can't when when i when i'm

00:10:48.920 being remember frederick douglas said this frederick douglas said i didn't know i was a slave

00:10:53.400 until i couldn't do the things i wanted right right that's what's happening right now we we

00:11:00.920 are being made slaves in a country that was founded on freedom a country that was founded

00:11:07.040 so they couldn't become slaves so you have uh liberals primarily in the democrat party

00:11:12.400 and i love what you said joel they want to make a crisis out of everything but you look at the

00:11:16.840 democratic party historically the democrat party never addressed the crisis that was actually the

00:11:22.960 crisis they never addressed see slavery was the crisis right democrats tried to scare black people

00:11:28.480 into thinking that freedom was not good for them so what liberals do they will flip the script so

00:11:34.300 whatever they say the crisis is it's probably not that right yep and they create a crisis i like

00:11:40.680 what you said about frederick douglas you know like i didn't know i was a slave and until i was

00:11:45.220 eventually hindered or prohibited from doing the things i desired to do and i and i think

00:11:50.060 in terms of californians i think part of the reason is they don't know they're enslaved

00:11:53.600 um because i think of the c.s lewis quote you know that like our problem is not that we desire

00:11:59.800 too much. It's we desire too little. And I think part of the problem is we've got too many Christians

00:12:04.420 nationwide, but especially in California, it seems like we have too many Christians 1.00

00:12:09.440 that are content with just too low of aspirations, too little of desires. And so for me, I know for 1.00

00:12:17.680 myself, part of it for me was my theology. And so my theology initially that led me to California

00:12:24.460 to plant the church that I planted here.

00:12:28.000 I've been here for 11 years.

00:12:29.180 A lot of my driving force was I want to plant a church.

00:12:35.080 I want to preach the gospel and I want to make converts.

00:12:38.520 I want to baptize people.

00:12:40.320 And so by God's grace in the last decade, I baptized over 100 people.

00:12:44.760 And now at this stage of my life, I've realized I never want less than the Great Commission.

00:12:51.460 I never want less than discipling, baptizing, preaching.

00:12:57.860 I just want more.

00:12:59.660 Now what I want is I want to plant churches that preach law and gospel, that see people converted, that are discipled.

00:13:08.460 The Great Commission will always forget this part, teaching them to obey all of Christ's commands.

00:13:12.760 So I want to disciple people into all of Christ's commands, not just the red letter, but the whole Bible is Christ.

00:13:17.660 You know, and so teaching them all of Christ's commands, and I want to see baptisms, I want to see conversion, but then I also want to see members of my church have the freedom to start families, start a business, run for local office, start a publishing company, start schools.

00:13:35.860 I mean, you look at the Puritans, you look at church history, and one of the first things Christians did is that the beachhead was the church.

00:13:42.920 You plant a church, and then immediately, immediately, you start a school. 0.52

00:13:47.660 Right. And then you start some kind of printing press and then and you're starting businesses.

00:13:52.060 And I think as Christians, we've just become content with just getting in the trenches and slugging it out.

00:13:57.680 And there's good, noble motivations there.

00:14:00.460 But I think we're content to just be behind enemy lines in the trenches, working towards conversion, snatching souls from the fire.

00:14:11.180 And that's good gospel work. Praise God for that.

00:14:14.100 But part of me feels like, man, if we were willing to just to not see it as quitting, but a tactical retreat for a generation or two, let California fall on its face because Christians are no longer propping it up, then send our grandkids back in to take over the land. 0.99

00:14:28.880 I feel like that's a great strategy. 0.99

00:14:31.140 I like that.

00:14:32.100 And you know what, Joel, as I listen to you, you know, what comes to my mind is that you talk about slavery.

00:14:38.460 See, slavery is mental first.

00:14:41.460 Slavery is mental.

00:14:42.140 slavery is even for those who historically have been physically in bondage the the ultimate goal

00:14:49.920 that's never the end goal is to keep you physically in bondage to keep you in shackles

00:14:55.740 embraces uh the goal is to get you thinking up here that you're a slave so that you embrace

00:15:02.640 that to such a degree that they can take the shackles off and try to escape yeah you see you

00:15:09.340 get my point here so so so so mental this is what we're seeing right now in america and in the world

00:15:16.780 is the greatest psychological operations in world history what the military will call psyops for

00:15:23.280 short this is the greatest psyops uh undertaking in the history of the world and now we have you

00:15:30.000 i'm looking at right now in jude jude verse uh verse three where where where jude writes i felt

00:15:37.320 the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith the faith is to

00:15:44.880 be contended for now part of a layer of that contention as believers is to assess the landscape

00:15:53.260 of the world the culture and society through the lens of the gospel okay that's called having a

00:15:58.680 biblical worldview of the culture society and the world in which you live and what would i love what

00:16:04.220 you put it was really sad that you had to say that, Joel, but you were right. We have believers

00:16:10.860 within the church right now who are so comfortable in their Christianity that they don't view it as

00:16:17.640 something that needs to be contended for. Now, we don't pick fights with anyone. We don't want

00:16:22.040 to initiate with anyone, not at all. But what we're experiencing right now, when the government

00:16:29.340 says you can't open your church and we've got christians out here who are confused they're

00:16:35.800 confused that the constitution actually gives us uh the right to open and worship but that's not

00:16:42.440 the reality the constitution protects the inalienable right that's right that we already

00:16:48.220 have to worship that's right so for anyone whose church out there is not open there is no excuse

00:16:53.360 for that right now if you discute me you can come at me don't come at joel you can come at me

00:16:58.720 But until Christians understand that the Constitution doesn't give us the right to worship, that's what the word inalienable means.

00:17:08.980 That is, it is explicit of this present realm. 0.71

00:17:14.680 The Constitution protects a right that we already have.

00:17:19.260 Right.

00:17:20.140 But we have Christians saying we're so complacent, especially in California.

00:17:24.460 Oh, well, I don't want to I don't want to ruffle any feathers.

00:17:26.780 I want to cause any trouble.

00:17:27.940 the gospel is the message of causing trouble yeah it's an offense jesus's whole earthly ministry

00:17:35.520 caused trouble and virginia matter of fact if i could just get this in here because i think it

00:17:42.840 fits with the context of what we're talking about here joel um by the time this airs to your to your

00:17:48.200 audience this episode will already be out but as we record this uh uh interview uh virginia are

00:17:54.400 working on an episode of our next just thinking podcast it's going to be titled an exposition of

00:17:58.240 biblical unity and i'm going to be bursting a lot of bubbles in that episode about what unity looks

00:18:04.940 like and what unity does not look like and one of the things biblical unity does not look like

00:18:10.140 is passivity right passivity and just sitting back on your lazy boy and letting the government

00:18:16.680 dictate to you how you're supposed to live that's slavery yeah right and i think that's the problem

00:18:23.560 when we talk about personal rights, there's, there's passive rights and there are active

00:18:28.060 rights. And we, we've started thinking, you know, that there's a right to healthcare.

00:18:31.940 There's a right to a university. There's a right to even, you know, universal housing,

00:18:37.560 universal income where people become pets, you know, you're like, like, that's what a pet is a

00:18:42.220 pet, you know, like doesn't have to produce. It doesn't have to work it. You know, you, you feed

00:18:46.020 it, you take it to the vet and, you know, human beings aren't meant to be pets. And so, but when

00:18:50.000 These active rights like health care, it sounds good, but what we don't realize is it takes that doctor and it says that his passive right, namely his property, his labor, his intelligence, his work doesn't belong to him anymore.

00:19:03.540 It belongs to me. So my active right to health care takes away the passive right of the doctor to his own labor, to his own property, his intellectual property, his experience, all those things.

00:19:16.340 And so I think as our generation becomes more and more entitled to those active rights, we see the freedom of those inalienable rights, human rights, the right to own property, the right to own your own labor, your own gifts.

00:19:34.240 all that begins to erode. As entitlement rises, active rights begin to infringe upon passive

00:19:41.820 rights, and the right of the collective begins to enslave the individual, and people just get

00:19:48.700 stuck. And you can wrap it all in really flowery, good-sounding, generosity, biblical language.

00:19:56.740 You can really, anytime somebody wants, I forget who said the quote, but he was like,

00:20:00.540 anytime the culture adopts a new liberal principle, you can be sure that some liberal

00:20:06.720 theologian will find a verse in the Bible for it. I'm tempted to name names, but I'm not going to

00:20:12.660 do that. Just to say this real quick, when you talk about active rights taking priority or

00:20:23.220 primacy over passive rights, see the Bible calls that stealing. That's right. The Bible calls that

00:20:28.420 stealing. Okay. That's just another way of stealing. The word rights has done more damage

00:20:33.500 to this country in the past 60 years, probably than any other word. Now, and you look at a state

00:20:39.740 like California, California, generally speaking, in terms of mindset, they're proud here. They're

00:20:46.280 proud to call themselves progressives. They are proud. They take a badge of honor when the

00:20:51.800 government gets even more onerous and burdensome on your life. Think about that for a second.

00:20:56.960 And Californians like to boast in the fact that we're progressive. We're leading the nation in forward thinking. We're visionaries. We're progressives in the way we think.

00:21:08.420 And progressivism is defined in such a way as to find any avenue possible to apply someone else's or some group's active rights up against your passive rights so that your passive rights are overtaken, which makes you a slave to others' active rights.

00:21:32.400 And here in California, that's the thing to be celebrated.

00:21:35.400 It's unbelievable.

00:21:37.320 Yeah.

00:21:37.980 Sodomy is another thing to be celebrating. 1.00

00:21:40.220 Gay pride. 1.00

00:21:41.380 There you go. 1.00

00:21:41.800 Yeah, calling good, evil, evil, good.

00:21:45.180 They become inventors of new kinds of evil.

00:21:49.080 It's pretty phenomenal.

00:21:50.580 California is a wonderful case study that we could learn a lot from.

00:21:53.620 All right, Virgil, I got to get to you, man.

00:21:54.920 I'm sorry.

00:21:56.300 You're living over there in privilege and freedom in Nebraska.

00:22:00.800 I just let y'all run.

00:22:04.300 I know you, I know y'all have to commiserate with the California man.

00:22:10.340 So I, I totally, I totally get, I want to,

00:22:12.520 I want to address one of the things that you mentioned, you said,

00:22:15.060 you said leaving California and then, you know,

00:22:17.640 sending the grandchildren back in, man,

00:22:20.640 apart from ensuring that we really do an incredible job of,

00:22:24.420 of providing biblical literacy, biblical sufficiency,

00:22:28.320 and making sure that the next generation actually understands that all of,

00:22:33.400 all that we have that is good, holy, right, just, and true comes from scripture. It ends up a moot

00:22:42.800 point to do any such thing. And so I'm glad for ministries like yours, man, that wants to equip

00:22:48.720 others to do the same. The second thing, as you guys were talking, I thought about a quote that

00:22:54.760 I pulled up from Frederick Hayek, which he said this, and I know we're going to talk about social

00:22:59.800 justice in a bit. He said, I'm certain that nothing, he says, quote, I'm certain that nothing

00:23:03.760 has done so much to destroy the juridical, and that just means legal safeguards of individual

00:23:09.920 freedom as a striving after this miracle of social justice. So, you know, I know you guys

00:23:16.280 were talking about, you know, the government and its overreach, you know, in a number of different

00:23:24.160 A lot of that is informed by their ideas around social justice, about righting wrongs on the basis of subjective opinion, people's subjective ideas, or groups that have an axe to grind.

00:23:38.500 Whether it's liberals, leftists, whether it's the LGBTQ community or the like, they're wanting to establish justice on the basis of their subjective ideas.

00:23:50.880 And so it's those kinds of things that begin encroaching themselves. They use the power of government because they know there's nothing transformative about, there's nothing inwardly transformative about their position. And so they have to use the power of government to enforce the kinds of rights that they're after.

00:24:07.180 you're absolutely right it's it's funny marxism i mean really it all it's all about material

00:24:12.820 everything's material everything you know it's it's so it's there's so much vanity um it's a

00:24:17.380 zero-sum game wealth can't grow all you guys you guys know all that um but i've been thinking about

00:24:23.220 it's like what's the easiest way to take somebody else's stuff because that's what marxism is all

00:24:27.560 about i want your stuff it's all about stuff because stuff is the only thing that matters

00:24:30.840 it's this godless worldview evolution everything's in there you know baked into the the whole thing

00:24:36.660 And so if life is all about how much stuff I can get and I need to get your stuff, but

00:24:42.440 I'm not bigger than you, right?

00:24:43.900 I mean, in a primitive world, you know, you just, you beat them up, you take their stuff.

00:24:48.280 But if I can't beat you up, if I can't take, I'm not powerful enough to take your stuff

00:24:53.200 from you, to go at an individual level and to prove how an individual has somehow immoral

00:25:00.180 or somehow wrongfully come into the things that they possess, it's really difficult.

00:25:04.320 What's easy, though, is to just start chopping the whole population into groups.

00:25:09.760 And so it's like this one group over here, this one, because then it's all subjective,

00:25:14.440 what you're saying.

00:25:14.980 But now we don't have to deal with facts, cross-examination, two or three witnesses.

00:25:20.260 We don't have to deal in the realm of objectivity.

00:25:22.600 We're able to just say, here's a group, here's another group.

00:25:25.380 That group has a lot more stuff.

00:25:27.460 This other group wants that stuff.

00:25:29.140 All right, now, what can we look at and just group narratives?

00:25:32.600 What can we easily indict this group that's got the stuff that we want? What can we indict them for? Well, if we just pan back 150 years, you know, and then we don't have to actually have to deal with individual people and their actions.

00:25:47.220 And did they actually do something immoral? And so it's the whole group dynamic, group politics, identity politics, social justice.

00:25:56.580 I really think a lot of it is it's just it's just a much more easy way of getting the stuff that we feel like we should have.

00:26:06.400 You guys, is that fair?

00:26:09.180 Thomas Sowell in his book, The Quest for Cosmic Justice, said that envy used to be one of the seven deadly sins until it was reintroduced by his new name, social justice.

00:26:23.720 Social justice is just envy.

00:26:27.480 The four-letter word envy, that is just much an accurate term to describe social justice.

00:26:32.900 And, you know, what social justicians are doing, it's the old adage about how do you eat an elephant, right, Joel?

00:26:41.920 You eat an elephant one piece at a time.

00:26:46.380 And that's exactly what the social justicians are doing.

00:26:48.940 Social justicians know that they have the right individuals in place in government to advance their agenda and get them ultimately to the goal that they want to reach.

00:27:02.900 which is as you said taking stuff that belongs to someone else for themselves listen it was 40 0.54

00:27:09.860 it was probably 48 hours after the election on november 3rd that black lives matter was already

00:27:17.380 demanding of joe biden and kamala harris to come through with what what blm wants the government to

00:27:27.140 to give them in return because of what BLM is claiming they were able to do to purportedly

00:27:34.160 get Joe Biden and Kamala Harris this victory. And they did. In my assessment, I feel like

00:27:40.780 what better incentive to give someone an election than the blackmail of, if you don't give us what

00:27:48.840 we want, we'll throw a fit and burn some more buildings down. Here's the stupidity of that 1.00

00:27:55.860 kind of logic as it relates to BLN. Here's how stupid that is. See what BLN did, BLN pretty much 1.00

00:28:01.560 put their agenda on layaway. They said, okay, we're going to, they said to Joe Biden and Kamala

00:28:07.040 Harris, all right, we're going to help you guys get into the White House. And in return, once you,

00:28:12.260 when that happens, you will owe us this, this, this, this, this. But see, that's not how you

00:28:17.700 negotiate. That's not how you negotiate. What they should have done was demand something from

00:28:24.840 joe biden and kamal harris first and then once they come through once you pay me my ransom 0.72

00:28:30.760 right then i respond right white house right that's not how that see black lives matters

00:28:38.880 is in the same position as many black pastors were when barack obama was elected for his first

00:28:45.380 term and his second term verge you may remember this not long after barack obama was uh inaugurated

00:28:50.820 been elected

00:28:52.920 in the inaugural in 2012.

00:28:54.880 This group of Black pastors got together and

00:28:56.820 wrote him a demand letter.

00:28:59.000 We did an episode about Just Thinking

00:29:00.700 podcast on this. They wrote him a demand

00:29:02.980 letter, basically saying

00:29:04.980 the same thing the BLM said.

00:29:06.200 Listen, we put our votes, we put you

00:29:08.820 on layaway, now it's time for us to 0.61

00:29:10.760 cash in, but what do Black 1.00

00:29:12.760 people get out of two terms of an

00:29:14.420 Obama administration? Zip.

00:29:17.000 They got zipped, and you know

00:29:18.600 the same thing is going to happen if it turns

00:29:20.760 out that Biden and Harris are inaugurated

00:29:22.620 in January, Black Lives Matter

00:29:24.600 and the 90% plus

00:29:26.680 of Black voters who voted for Biden and Harris

00:29:28.740 are going to get zipped. 0.89

00:29:31.080 Why do I owe you 1.00

00:29:32.680 anything, Black Lives Matter? Why do I 1.00

00:29:34.580 owe you anything, Black Church, when I 1.00

00:29:36.660 already know going into the election

00:29:38.800 that 9 out of 10 of you are

00:29:40.640 going to vote for me regardless?

00:29:43.840 Why should I give

00:29:44.760 you anything?

00:29:47.180 It's back to that

00:29:48.700 C.S. Lewis quote, desiring too little.

00:29:50.760 It's it's you're settling for for so little. The Democratic Party is like we to have your allegiance, to have your vote, to have your loyalty.

00:29:59.880 We don't have to we don't have to produce anything. Whereas Donald Trump, it's like, man, for him.

00:30:05.540 I mean, I know it's small, but it's still remarkable to double the black vote.

00:30:09.720 You know, he didn't you know, he Biden still appears to have, you know, he is allegedly, you know, president elect.

00:30:18.460 And we'll see how those things happen in the courts and all that.

00:30:20.820 And if he gets it and he gets it legally, he will be my president. 0.81

00:30:24.280 I'm not going to be that stuck up rat saying he's not my president.

00:30:26.700 No, he is my president.

00:30:28.020 And I will pray for him and honor him in the ways that I can.

00:30:33.720 But all that being said, my point is, I mean, Trump doubled the black vote in this election because he has to actually, he has to work for that. 0.60

00:30:43.560 he had to prove jobs employment a higher quality of living all those kind of things whereas 0.57

00:30:48.640 democratic um officials they they it's just they don't have to prove anything they don't have to

00:30:54.420 actually prove with statistics that life is better that you stand to benefit and man it's

00:31:01.100 but i think things are changing because i think a lot of a lot of guys like you i think the daily

00:31:07.780 wire ben shapiro like i mean christian guys and then common grace examples who aren't even christian

00:31:13.220 candace owens larry elder um the uncle tom documentary i'm sure you guys saw it like

00:31:18.380 this there's so much so good content that keeps coming out coming out and everybody regardless

00:31:24.600 of ethnicity everybody i think that if there's anything good that came out of this last election

00:31:30.040 i think it's the exposure of the corruption in the mainstream media and and even some big tech

00:31:35.100 problems and and all of a sudden i think these these alternative media sources like daily wire

00:31:41.540 and the blaze and just thinking podcast and um people are actually giving us an ear but for the

00:31:47.900 first time and and considering that that we actually might have something to say and i think

00:31:52.760 i think liberals have overplayed their hand i think the tides are going to turn and i i feel hopeful

00:31:58.340 i i i agree with you to an extent i i'm and i'm with you i think all of those people you've named

00:32:04.800 And a lot of the, you know, everybody from Larry Elder to Candace Owen to the Shapiros, I think all of them have done a fantastic job of putting the message out and really explaining in simple terms what they're getting for their vote or what they're not getting for their vote.

00:32:24.820 And so I think those kinds of things are helpful. A lot of a lot of black folks have been, quote, unquote, red pilled. Right. Brandon Tatum and others who are who have videos and things like that. 1.00

00:32:36.060 One of the things that, and we love, I'm thankful for their work.

00:32:39.360 I love the way you set that up by explaining these are the common grace gifts that God has established.

00:32:46.920 At the end of the day, though, we have to realize, the people of God have to realize that the real answer, the true answer is not in politics, but it's in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

00:32:59.200 And so while I'm thankful for Candace Owen, I'm more grateful and thankful for people like Allie Stuckey, because I think when she's out there expressing her positions about political issues, she's anchoring them in the truth of the word of God and expressing that the only true light that we have is the light of the gospel at the end of the day.

00:33:19.520 So those are those are some I do think it is critically important for us to make those distinctions.

00:33:25.600 Otherwise, you'd be like me, because back in the day, I used to do urban radio.

00:33:30.460 And that's kind of how Daryl and I got connected. And, you know, I told him, man, one, you need to do a podcast.

00:33:35.860 And two, I've done some radio. And, man, I think your voice needs to be out there.

00:33:39.740 So we kind of partnered in that regard. But one of the things I did, Joel, is I spent a lot of time talking about conservatism.

00:33:49.180 on the radio. And I was known as the Black conservative. I love the moniker. I thought

00:33:55.720 that was cool. Yeah, lone Black guy, conservative, and all of that. But what I've realized over the

00:34:01.500 course of time was what I began to amplify was conservatism above the cross of Christ.

00:34:06.840 And so it's critically important to make that distinction. I think we have to be informed

00:34:12.480 about the issues. And Daryl and I just did an episode about the doctrine of elections. And so

00:34:19.340 it's critically important that we don't leave our doctrine at the doorstep, but that we're informed

00:34:24.080 by doctrine and that we allow our mind to be informed and then to go into the voting booth

00:34:31.460 and vote accordingly in the establishment of having righteous lawmakers, righteous politicians

00:34:38.220 who uphold the standard of God.

00:34:40.140 So that's how we need to operate.

00:34:41.740 That's how we need to be informed.

00:34:42.920 That's how we need to walk in.

00:34:44.840 But we have to, we have to make the distinction

00:34:47.920 that conservatism is great,

00:34:50.200 but it will never be greater than the cross of Christ

00:34:52.840 and the gospel of Jesus Christ himself.

00:34:54.900 Right, I'm with you.

00:34:56.180 And I think conservative,

00:34:57.340 the way I see it is all truth is God's truth.

00:34:59.620 So whatever is not merely conservative,

00:35:01.720 but it is truly conservative in the sense that it is true.

00:35:04.900 um it's really what what we find there is um we it's not even it's not even just um separate from

00:35:12.160 the cross of christ uh it stems from the cross of christ and what we have for those who are not

00:35:17.740 christians is we have that common grace example of somebody who's borrowing from god's world view

00:35:22.220 they're borrowing uh god's truth but without without turning and giving god homage without

00:35:28.220 without acknowledging god as the source of all that is good and all that is true but the problem

00:35:32.920 is that the Christian worldview and the gospel, God's law and his gospel, which I love our

00:35:38.240 founders, friends, that, you know, God loves his law just as much as he loves his gospel

00:35:42.280 because both are a revelation, a manifestation of his own character.

00:35:47.200 God is holy and God is merciful.

00:35:48.880 And so because God loves his own triune self, because God is a self-glorifying, self-adoring,

00:35:55.200 self-loving God, he loves his law, loves his gospel, both manifest his own nature, his

00:36:00.160 own perfections and character and stemming from god's law and his gospel we have the these these

00:36:06.900 conservative views they stem from that the problem is that without the world view it's like it's like

00:36:13.960 hanging a truth in midair that you know and and so what happens is that somebody you know even a

00:36:19.880 blind squirrel can find an acorn every now and then and you know even even a broken clock can

00:36:24.920 be right twice a day you know and and so what happens is that you you get some common grace

00:36:29.220 examples who you know like king cyrus you know it's like why is he funding you know the people

00:36:35.840 of israel to go back and so you you get those examples because god's sovereign he directs the

00:36:40.680 heart of the king like waters in the way that he wants it to go but the problem is if it's just

00:36:44.880 hanging in mid-air although all truth is god's truth if if god's truth is not ultimately grounded

00:36:51.220 in in the ultimate truth of his gospel and his law and his his own nature then it can just one

00:36:58.100 generation can borrow and then another another generation replaces it because because it's it's

00:37:03.980 it's just hanging there and i think that's the problem is if we only win people to agree with

00:37:08.140 you virgil if we only win people to conservatism for the sake of conservatism but we hang it in

00:37:14.440 midair instead of grounding it in the triune god which makes it true then then the next generation

00:37:22.220 I think that what we do is we teach our kids what what you should do what you but if we don't teach

00:37:28.500 them why that they abandon the what because they don't have the reason and and that's that's how

00:37:35.000 we so sadly you're so right that's so insightful because that's precisely how we got here that's

00:37:41.160 how we that's why we took God out of our schools and we took God out of our nation we we thought

00:37:45.240 we don't need the foundation to have the benefits we don't need the roots of the tree to eat these

00:37:50.920 apples to have this fruit. And then all the fruit eventually dried up and it's gone. And now we're

00:37:56.240 finding fruit again. And we want to just hang apples in the middle of the air without planting

00:38:00.480 trees. And so even if we can win the populace to conservatism without giving them the why and

00:38:07.620 grounding the gospel and the law, it'll only last for a generation. It won't be that deep,

00:38:13.900 long, multi-generational work. You guys agree with that?

00:38:17.420 Yeah, totally agree with you, Joel, there. And I think fundamental to what you and Virgil are saying here is that the church no longer preaches that we are aliens and strangers. The church no longer preaches that. The church no longer preaches that we are, as Christians, as believers, we are aliens and strangers here.

00:38:35.420 So given that that's not part of our orthodoxy, it's not part of our orthopraxy, you don't hear that in pulpits anymore.

00:38:47.720 So what we've done as a church, we've started to buy into this soteriology that the government has been selling.

00:38:53.540 You see, we've got a bunch of blind squirrels. I'm glad you use that.

00:38:56.860 we got a bunch of blind squirrels out of here out here who thinking because because they're

00:39:01.900 their their their world view is so grounded in the world in their life their physical life here 0.88

00:39:07.480 their physical existence here that's where their focus is yeah so we just have a bunch of blind

00:39:13.520 squirrels out here willing to accept well if the government gives us an acorn here the government

00:39:18.740 gives us an apple over here then i should be content with that you see but we're aliens and

00:39:23.960 strangers this is what peterson saying if in second peter chapter of our first peter chapter

00:39:28.080 two verse 11 beloved i urge you as aliens and strangers yeah that that little two-word

00:39:36.160 preposition as that's stating a reality that's a definitive objective reality that's who you are

00:39:42.160 that's who you are you are not people who though you live physically in america you it goes back

00:39:49.040 what you were saying joel earlier we just have a low view of accepting uh less versus more so we

00:39:54.620 accept these acorns because oh woe is me this is my existence in this life and you know i'll see

00:40:00.180 god in eternity when i die no this this is this is not the mindset that god wants us living with

00:40:07.200 but we're a bunch of blind squirrels just willing to accept a little acorn every now and then as i

00:40:12.080 run into it and then as and the government knows this the government knows the government knows

00:40:18.380 that we have a bunch of churches a bunch of professing christians out here who are just

00:40:23.480 scared frightened to contend for the faith right that they know this this is why this is why governor

00:40:32.260 newsom gavin newsom in california a governor whitmer in michigan and and in other states

00:40:38.940 they know that they can just roll out these incremental edicts these fiats right and they

00:40:45.120 know that the church the churches in these states and christians are just gonna cave to them we're

00:40:49.860 just gonna genuflect to them we won't stand up we won't stand up in the face of what is objectively 0.81

00:40:57.020 biblically evil right right we need we need to start doing that yeah i can only imagine uh in 0.78

00:41:04.200 the time of daniel you know a 30-day edict can you can you just imagine that the worshipers of

00:41:10.320 yahweh right the christians at that time say hey surely we should submit to the civil magistrate

00:41:16.520 in fact it's only a 30-day edict you know and and certainly god will understand if we forego

00:41:22.360 prayer for it's temporary you know and and it's and we and we listen to that and i'm being facetious

00:41:28.000 but sometimes that kind of argumentation helps put things into perspective you know because because

00:41:32.840 if you apply that right like that kind of language any any god-fearing christian would be like oh

00:41:37.500 that's ridiculous and then i would say and help me see how it's different what would yeah but i

00:41:44.180 think i think the diff the difference is and i i one i completely agree with you i think the problem

00:41:49.480 is what daryl stated which is up front we're not we don't think of ourselves as as aliens and

00:41:55.020 strangers number one number two we have no doctrine of suffering uh no doctrine of suffering

00:42:02.660 And so as a result of not having a doctrine of suffering, we think that we are right in doing that which is righteous when government and society and the culture agrees with us, right?

00:42:15.240 So if culture, society agrees with us and things are peaceful, then we're doing the right thing.

00:42:22.280 When government, society, and culture is against us, we must have something wrong with our message.

00:42:27.720 And so we've got to go fix our message, recalibrate the message, and then re-present it in the hope that we'll be liked by others.

00:42:35.860 That's kind of what's happening.

00:42:37.440 You're right.

00:42:37.800 When we get pushback, our immediate thought is that we're doing something wrong.

00:42:42.540 Whereas if we read the words of Christ, our immediate thought would be we're in good company.

00:42:47.280 We're doing something right.

00:42:49.100 All right.

00:42:49.600 Well, let me ask you guys this because we're kind of getting short on time.

00:42:54.020 This is the biggest question that I just wanted to make it really specific to the church and even more specific because most of our listeners are already going to be, you know, reformed, at least in their soteriology and Calvinistic and, you know, in our camp.

00:43:10.360 And so I guess my question is this, the Reformed Church, it seems like for the last 10, 15 years, I'm a little bit younger.

00:43:18.580 You guys probably saw this more than I did, you know, but I was still kind of watching as a young man, seeing what was going on.

00:43:25.560 It seemed like with big conferences between, you know, Together for the Gospel and Gospel Coalition and guys like Piper and Desiring God and Ligonier, you know,

00:43:34.880 and even just the friendship between guys like John MacArthur and R.C. Sproul.

00:43:39.280 Lots of doctrinal distinctives, distinctions, I should say, differences, and yet a loving tenderness, a brotherly love, able to partner, doing all these things together.

00:43:50.180 And so my question is, the Reformed Church seemingly has been able to bridge the gap on some big doctrinal issues such as continuationist versus cessationist.

00:44:02.380 I mean, we know John MacArthur, I mean, New Testament prophecy, he's not going to say, yeah, I disagree.

00:44:08.760 he's going to say, I think it's destroying the church. I think it's a big deal. And yet he loves

00:44:13.980 John Piper. He's able, you know, so gifts of the spirit, baptism, credo, pedo, covenant theology

00:44:20.380 versus dispensationalism, all these kinds of things, massive issues. And yet we can pack 20,000

00:44:27.380 guys in a conference setting and singing hymns to the Lord and psalms and spiritual songs,

00:44:34.240 like linking arms giving hugs and and we strongly disagree and it seems like in my just sitting here

00:44:42.680 watching what's going on in my perspective it seems like the dividing line that the reformed

00:44:48.460 church not just the church not just the culture but but that the reformed gospel loving church

00:44:54.560 is not going to be able to get over is is the dividing line of social justice racial reconciliation

00:45:02.740 creation, identity politics. And I guess I just want to put it to you guys. To me, it seems to

00:45:09.580 communicate that this issue is bigger than baptism. It's bigger than confessionalism.

00:45:15.480 It's bigger than covenant theology. It's bigger than gifts of the spirit. Because this is the

00:45:21.460 one that we're not willing to link arms over. This is the dividing line. And I think it's a

00:45:25.940 dividing line just to show my hand. I think it is a dividing line. I think it is bigger than those

00:45:30.680 things. I guess my question is why? Why is this issue bigger than all those other doctrinal issues?

00:45:39.220 Yeah, let me start, Joel, and then I'll let Virgil jump in here. I think a problem with

00:45:44.980 reformed believers when it comes to this issue of social justice is that they're not, I think

00:45:53.620 they've been caught off guard from where this thing, this whole issue came from. And what I

00:45:58.120 mean by that? See, there's no Westminster Confession to go back to, to refer to when

00:46:02.160 it comes to social justice, you see. There's no, there's no Beltic Confession to go back

00:46:09.040 to. There's no, there are no Puritans, there are no social justice Puritans to go back 0.95

00:46:14.520 to. See, social justice didn't come from a theological origin. It's Genesis, it's not

00:46:22.960 theological it's cultural it's cultural and see this this has been my this has been my one issue

00:46:30.180 with reformed believers is that they're so academic they're so academic in their theology

00:46:36.820 their hands are so clean that they don't know how to go they don't know how to make the shift

00:46:41.920 between a between a theological argument and defending or arguing against a cultural argument

00:46:47.440 they don't know how to make that shift see virtually but we operate in both of those

00:46:52.140 areas so so we're both reformed so we can sit here and have a a theological academic conversation

00:46:58.960 with you or informed theology but we can also uh come back with an apologetic from a cultural

00:47:04.500 standpoint because that's the that's that's the million which virgil and i grew up you see so

00:47:09.720 so what so i can i can quote you just as easily martin luther king as i can john calvin okay but

00:47:16.680 we we need reformed believers who can do that right we can cross those lines back and forth

00:47:21.360 come back and forth and offer a biblically orthodox apologetic against what has a cultural

00:47:27.240 origin. You see, this is why social justice is a dividing line, because reform people are so

00:47:35.880 used to going back to, well, let's see what the Westminster said. Let's see what the Westminster

00:47:41.280 said. But have you read Martin Luther King's papers from Crozier Theological Seminary?

00:47:46.420 Have you read those papers? You see, I get that you've read Jonathan Edwards. I get that.

00:47:53.840 But have you read James Cone? You see, have you read, I mean, read Cone. I don't mean go on Google

00:48:00.320 and Google James Cone and then something pops up. Have you read James Cone? Have you read Martin

00:48:05.440 Luther King? Have you read, did you know that in a paper at Crozier Theological Seminary in 1948

00:48:12.800 that Martin Luther King, as a 19-year-old, said in black and white, wrote that I am a staunch

00:48:19.220 proponent of the social gospel. In his own words, can you quote Martin Luther King in his own words

00:48:25.560 and say, well, Martin Luther King was a social gospel proponent? And can you say, can you go

00:48:31.440 back in current day right now and read and quote a Raphael Warnock, who was a successor to Ebony

00:48:38.180 of Baptist Church where Dr. Marlou King preached and dissect and pick apart Warnock's Black

00:48:44.120 liberation theology and bring it into a reformed theological construct. We don't have reformed

00:48:51.020 believers who are prepared to do that. So that's why this issue seems so, listen, social justice,

00:48:56.040 and John McArthur has said this, and I think he's absolutely right. He agrees exactly with what you

00:48:59.720 just said, Joel. John McArthur has said that social justice is the most important issue the

00:49:05.460 church has ever faced yeah that's that's because because as i said earlier we have such a misplaced

00:49:13.160 sociology that our so our our doctrine of salvation is rooted in our life here on earth right

00:49:19.620 not not not with god in heaven later our reward is in heaven first people one makes that clear

00:49:27.240 So we have a, in 1 Peter 1, 5, he says, we have an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.

00:49:42.100 You see, we're trying to get that reward here.

00:49:44.800 Right.

00:49:45.420 You see, so again, I think a big problem within the Reformed theology is that we have believers who are so academic in their theological worldview,

00:49:55.860 they don't want to get their hands dirty.

00:49:57.240 to battle 0.96

00:50:00.120 social justice and critical race theory

00:50:02.180 you got to be willing to get your hands dirty

00:50:04.080 and I mean

00:50:06.100 you need to be able to say hey I went into some of these

00:50:08.160 urban communities I've talked with 0.72

00:50:10.080 these black church pastors who are preaching

00:50:12.120 black liberal race theology from these pulpits 0.97

00:50:14.100 and you can name names

00:50:15.780 you can name churches but until we

00:50:18.100 get outside of the Westminster

00:50:19.960 confession

00:50:22.220 there is no

00:50:24.080 question in the Westminster confession that addresses

00:50:26.080 privilege so how are you gonna handle that right now you're right Virgil what do you what do you

00:50:31.080 think not just I'll briefly summarize I know you run short on time and just say this is a different

00:50:35.420 gospel the social justice gospel is a different gospel it has right it it has it it's established

00:50:42.660 an anti-biblical anthropology right the the idea of races of people uh it had it has an an unbiblical

00:50:51.860 harmardiology, right? The sole sin that Christ didn't pay for was the sin of racism. So it has

00:51:02.320 an ethnic soteriology where you're going to have to, as a white person, works are going to be

00:51:11.400 anti-racist works are going to have to be involved for you for the remainder of your life in order

00:51:17.880 to make retribution, restitution, or even reparations, six different forms of reparations

00:51:24.360 that need to be paid. So the idea that what Christ did on the cross was sufficient to save is

00:51:30.560 antithetical to a worldview where social justice, where Black Lives Matter, where critical race

00:51:37.000 theory are embraced. This is a different gospel. And I think Daryl explained it well. We have to

00:51:44.560 know what these things are we have to go back and read uh kindy we have to go back and read and know

00:51:49.920 no only for the for the thought of knowing where these folks are coming from right where does it

00:51:56.460 come from yeah to well to my to my left you you know i've got cone's works right i've got all of

00:52:02.180 all of his writings i've i've got the the mark the the marxian origins you mentioned the social

00:52:07.200 gospel that was embraced i think daryl did that the social gospel that was embraced by martin

00:52:12.580 Luther King. I've read Walter Rauschenbusch's works. We know where this stuff comes from in

00:52:17.780 the late 1800s, early 1900s. So we have to be versed on those things. We have to know what that

00:52:23.800 is, but we have to do it through the lens of a biblical worldview. I think that's been the

00:52:27.800 popularity of what we're doing with just thinking. And Joe, what I know you're trying to establish

00:52:34.800 the right response. It's making sure that you have a biblical lens by which to view all the

00:52:40.600 issues of culture so that you can rightly divide the word that's right that's that's so good guys

00:52:45.940 um daryl and virgil i i that that's what i wanted to hear you guys say but that's been my

00:52:52.140 suspicion i think uh that that just groaning suspicion is i i think the reason why the

00:52:58.300 reform camp has been able to bridge overcome our differences bridge the divide on baptism

00:53:04.820 confessional uh confessionalism dispensationalism versus covenant theology are different eschatologies

00:53:11.640 we could be pre-meal and post-meal and yet we can all get together love each other support each

00:53:16.620 other and these are massive issues gifts of the spirit versus cessationism i think the reason why

00:53:22.300 what i hear both you guys saying is because all those things is as big a difference as there are

00:53:27.440 they all they all have their source in christianity yes yes absolutely and we whereas

00:53:34.600 what we're dealing with now has its source in the pit of hell it is a vain philosophy

00:53:41.580 a godless ideology and and and pastors can't sniff it out because what you're saying daryl

00:53:48.800 they're versed in john calvin but they're not versed in james cone and and so they hear some

00:53:55.060 other guy right that game of telephone so by the time it gets to them they're like well that sounds

00:53:58.740 pretty christian right so they they they treat it just like credo versus pedo baptism right you know

00:54:04.360 like but both could you know like yeah there are some differences but these are our brothers

00:54:07.860 but if they traced it back to its source they would find it oh it wasn't like there was one

00:54:12.660 denomination christian denomination that baptized infants and one denomination christian denomination

00:54:17.620 that didn't no no no here's what christians view on the issue of anthropology who god is who man is

00:54:24.060 who unites us? Are we united in Christ or not? Is there more ministry of reconciliation that has

00:54:30.940 to be done because Christ didn't finish the work? Or if we trace this back to its source,

00:54:37.260 social justice, identity politics, we find that it arises not from theologians. It doesn't arise

00:54:45.140 from pastors it arises from from godless marxist yeah philosophers that that that whether that

00:54:55.740 to even make a claim that these men themselves were regenerate would be difficult to defend

00:55:00.980 right and and um and i think so i think that's in short to kind of just conclude us i think the

00:55:08.120 reason why this issue is bigger than anything else isn't because we just want to talk about race

00:55:12.620 again and again and again it's because this issue all those other issues are tertiary

00:55:17.720 or is secondary this is primary because like virgil you said it perfect it's another gospel

00:55:25.560 the gospel it's another gospel all right brothers thank you so much for i'm just i've been so

00:55:31.500 blessed by you guys your ministry your podcast is different than anybody else is it like what

00:55:35.920 we just did here today i pray will be helpful and fruitful for people but but for our listeners

00:55:40.740 you got to know what what i do i think there's a lot of strength to it but it's not what virgil

00:55:45.840 and daryl do nobody i don't know of anybody who's doing what they do on the just thinking podcast

00:55:50.360 um it's a it's got the feel of a podcast and the feel of a seminary lecture at the same time that

00:55:58.440 the amount of work that these guys put into it the amount of reading and quotes and scripture

00:56:03.860 is just um there's no other other podcast like a lot of podcasts you listen to podcasts it's helpful

00:56:09.100 but you get a lot of quips and pundits and, and just, you know, uh, you get fired up, but,

00:56:14.980 but, uh, Daryl and Virgil will teach you how from the beginning to the end, how to structure the

00:56:19.000 whole argument and not just make that little quip, you know, that little, that next Twitter,

00:56:23.680 you know, little tweet that'll get you some, some followers. But so, uh, you got to follow

00:56:27.740 the Just Thinking podcast. Any, any other way that guys can follow you men and what you're doing?

00:56:33.100 Justthinking.me, Justthinking.me. That's the, um, I mean, wherever you download your podcast,

00:56:39.100 Spotify. I mean, we're on all the, you know, Apple, iTunes, all that stuff. But if, you know,

00:56:44.540 if you want to get it from the website, you go to justthinking.me. Okay, great. So we're going

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00:57:21.020 is Daryl and Virgil,

00:57:22.800 what do you guys think about reparations

00:57:24.780 and what is a biblical support

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The NXR Podcast - December 24, 2020

THEOLOGY APPLIED - The Divisive Poison Of Racial Reconciliation And Social Justice

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