The NXR Podcast - November 22, 2022


THEOLOGY APPLIED - The True History Of Thanksgiving & The Gay GOP Senators Who Dishonor It

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Why Thanksgiving midterm election storytelling rise of the fourth right
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Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
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Steve Dace Show Joel Webman Jesus Christ Joel Webin Tolkien Lewis Baal George Washington Steve Dace Thomas Jefferson Jonathan Edwards Charles Schultz Queen Elizabeth Jamie White John Bunyan Gary DeMar Joe Boot Ted Cruz Lex Rex MacArthur and 9 more
DAILY TRUTH - God's Flawless Message Spoken Through His Flawed Messengers QUESTIONS - Is God Ever Thankful Toward Us？

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In this episode of Theology Applied, Pastor Joel Webin is joined by Steve Dacey of The Steve Dace Show on The Blaze Network to talk about his new children's book, "Why Thanksgiving?" and the upcoming mid-term elections.

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00:00:18 Hi, and welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied. I am your host,
00:00:21 Pastor Joel Webman with Right Response Ministries. In this episode, I'm very
00:00:25 privileged to have Steve Days from the Steve Days Show on the Blaze Network.
00:00:30 He's joining us now for the second time.
00:00:32 We're talking about his Thanksgiving children's book that's coming out.
00:00:35 And then we also talk about midterm elections.
00:00:37 We talk about the revival that's desperately needed in America.
00:00:41 We talk about a little bit about Trump, all the whole nine yards.
00:00:44 So you guys are going to really be in for a treat.
00:00:47 Tune in now.
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00:02:17 All right, welcome to another episode of Theology Applied. I am your host,
00:02:20 Pastor Joel Webin with Right Response Ministries, and I'm privileged to be joined once more by
00:02:25 Steve Dace from the Steve Dace Show on the Blaze Network. Steve, thanks for joining me on the show.
00:02:31 You bet, man. Good to see you. How are you?
00:02:33 I'm doing well. How are you?
00:02:35 I could be a little better and a lot worse. I know this in the Midwest, it decided to be
00:02:39 January 16th and not ready for it. My winner at least needs to take me out on a date before
00:02:45 Yeah. Yeah. So I'm in Texas and it's a 50 something. And that's usually about as cold 0.99
00:02:52 as it gets. If it gets any colder than a Ted Cruz goes to the Bahamas or where was it?
00:03:00 I'm fogging up here. Right. Yeah. So anyways, hopefully we don't have a, you know, big snow
00:03:05 apocalypse again, but I, yeah, I wanted to have you on the show. I wanted to talk about your
00:03:09 children's book. Can you tell our listeners the name of the children's book and why you wrote it?
00:03:13 Sure. I wrote it for money. Just kidding. It's called Why Thanksgiving? The Pilgrims started
00:03:22 Thanksgiving for the same reason they came to America, because they love God. And two weeks
00:03:28 ago, Publishers Weekly said the first week that we were out, we were the number one bestselling
00:03:32 nonfiction children's book in the country. Wow. So that was pretty cool. And the idea for it
00:03:39 came from my publisher, Post Hill Press, came to me about a year, well over a year ago,
00:03:45 and asked me about the idea. And I'm like, hasn't this been done like a million times,
00:03:52 like Rush had his Rush Revere books that were so successful? And I'm like, I mean,
00:03:56 this seems like a market that's kind of been tread, right? That, you know, sort of conservative or,
00:04:01 you know Judeo-Christian you know views of history for children and and so I said I'll tell you what 0.69
00:04:10 I'll think about it if we can do America's Christian heritage instead yeah and I was 0.75
00:04:16 surprised that they instantly said yes so now they called my bluff and I got to come up with you know
00:04:21 okay then what will the book be about and you know to me I guess I just decided that it's sort of like
00:04:26 sort of like when people ask you when does life begin when everything else begins at the beginning
00:04:30 Things can only begin at the beginning.
00:04:32 That's when everything begins is at the beginning, right?
00:04:34 So what's the beginning of America's Christian heritage?
00:04:37 It's the pilgrims in Plymouth Rock and that story.
00:04:41 And of course, we connect the gospel into this because that was the driving force of their story.
00:04:46 And a lot of this is history that if you're, you know, I'm 49 now.
00:04:50 If you're my age or older, you remember growing up and watching the Snoopy, the Peanuts Thanksgiving special.
00:04:56 And they still play that today.
00:04:58 But when we were growing up, it was an hour long. And the second half hour was Charles Schultz telling the history of the pilgrims, which, you know, is the Puritans.
00:05:08 And we don't tell that history anymore on network TV. And so I wanted to bring that history back.
00:05:13 You know, the providential nature of their journey. I mean, they travel thousands of miles across the channel.
00:05:21 They make one stop that they don't think is inhabitable. They go to another place.
00:05:27 So what are the odds that you stopped one time and would run into an indigenous person who knows your language and knows about Christianity and the Bible because Christians freed him from slavery and his name was Squanto? 0.74
00:05:41 Those odds are astronomical, let alone that you would run into that person after you went to a place you never even intended to go to originally.
00:05:48 That was the second stop you made. I mean, you can just see the divine hand of providence on this journey.
00:05:55 You know, we're talking barely 100 people made this journey.
00:05:58 Almost half of them died the first couple of years that they were here.
00:06:02 One of them because of the harshness of winter and they experimented with socialism.
00:06:05 I left that part out of the book for five-year-olds.
00:06:08 Okay.
00:06:09 But I'm really pleased with how it turned out.
00:06:12 It's one of the hardest things I've ever written.
00:06:14 You know, when I normally write a book, we have like a round maybe of edits, two at the
00:06:18 most.
00:06:19 We did about eight rounds of edits on this for a book that might be 3,000 words total.
00:06:23 it was just so hard for me to wrap my mind around distilling it down, you know, to four and five
00:06:29 year olds. But I'm very, very pleased with how it turned out. I've gotten a ton of great reaction.
00:06:34 And people have sent me pictures of their kids reading it, them reading it to their kids.
00:06:39 And then I didn't know this was going to happen, but there's been a subversive nature to this.
00:06:43 People are telling me about their kids are reading it and taking it to school because
00:06:46 the kids haven't been worked over yet. They don't know. They earnestly just think,
00:06:51 hey, it's a great book about American history and it's really, the artwork is pretty and the story
00:06:55 is good. So let me take it to my government school and show my classmates. And so I had no idea that
00:07:01 I was going to create contraband for America's government school system, but very, very pleased
00:07:08 and honored with how the project has turned out. And now my publisher's like, well, when are we
00:07:12 doing the next one? So I got to come up with what that is. We have a successful pilot. This might
00:07:16 now be a series so that's again it's called why thanksgiving the pilgrims started thanksgiving for
00:07:22 the same reason they came to america because they loved god that's cool so that's that's actually the
00:07:26 full title that's the full title yes that's cool that's a very puritan title by the way when the
00:07:31 title is almost like a whole chapter you know then you know that you're in that puritan stream
00:07:36 so very puritanical i left no debates i preemptively answered all follow-up questions
00:07:42 as calvin would in his sermons right yeah and then no one no one left with any dangling participles
00:07:47 if you were wondering if it was about you it's about you yes yeah that's great um yeah i think
00:07:53 that's so important i think about you know it seems like there's been such for and this isn't
00:07:57 new but for decades there's been such um such an organized you know effort to rewrite america's
00:08:04 history um because it's it's i mean i get discouraged as a christian i know you get
00:08:09 discouraged. We just had the midterms and the wave didn't materialize. It wasn't as bad as it
00:08:13 could have been. There's still some things to be hopeful about. But there was a bit of a trickle
00:08:18 and there's a million reasons why. Maybe it's, for one, we've made voting too easy. Maybe rigging
00:08:23 or something in Arizona, I don't know. But part of it is because people, I keep thinking about
00:08:28 John chapter three, right? That Jesus, he's the light of the world. He came into the world,
00:08:31 but men love the darkness. And that's not to say the Republican party is rainbows and just
00:08:37 christ-exalting oh it's rainbows biblical well yeah yeah you're right you're right yeah you're
00:08:44 right it's rainbows today i mean we had a slew of republican senators essentially go do the full
00:08:51 sodom right shake their fist at god and help the democrats use the federal government to declare
00:08:57 open lawfare upon the church so right it is it is rainbows my friend you were describing you're
00:09:05 Yeah, that's not what I meant, but you're absolutely right. But my point is to say that the Republican Party is by no means, and what you just pointed out just proves the point even more, it's by no means synonymous with the scripture. But as you and I have talked before, I think it's important for people to see that our two parties are wicked, but they're not equally wicked.
00:09:22 And when you have one party that their platform essentially is you can have your sin, you know, and the other part party is you can have some of your sin, you know, and so but like you can have your sin.
00:09:34 So Jesus came into the world as light, but men love the darkness, right?
00:09:37 Like cockroaches, you turn on the light, they scatter under.
00:09:40 And I feel like there's just so much of what we've seen and been, you know, just disappointed by in this last week with the midterm election, all these kinds of things.
00:09:48 Sometimes it feels impossible that our nation would actually exalt Christ again.
00:09:52 But the key word is that last word that I said, knowing our history, to know that what
00:09:58 we're striving towards is something that actually has occurred in this land before, that it
00:10:03 wasn't just a bunch of deists, that there were actually, George Washington, I believe,
00:10:07 by looking at first sources that he would qualify as an evangelical Christian and knowing
00:10:13 that these things have happened before gives you a sense of hope that they can happen again. 0.62
00:10:17 Any thoughts on that?
00:10:19 I agree.
00:10:19 But we also have to remember that sometimes when they happen again, they don't happen the way that we think.
00:10:24 Yeah, that's true.
00:10:26 And when you tie this into the story of the pilgrims, and Joel, just to show you just how Romans one of a nation we are, how much of, we're not even rebellious now.
00:10:36 We're ingrates, okay?
00:10:39 We're deniers of our heritage, deniers of our legacy.
00:10:42 We reject it.
00:10:43 We're not like rebelling against it.
00:10:45 Let's test the boundaries here and go through an extended pubescence and have the season of sowing our wild oats before we have a family and come back to reality.
00:10:57 You're dealing with a country right now where the average 25-year-old male is more likely to be living at home with a parent than in another home with a woman and a child. 0.75
00:11:03 Right.
00:11:04 We have the lowest marriage rates and birth rates since we started keeping these stats in the 19th century.
00:11:09 We are a nation of ingrates to the point that we have taken the term puritanical, and it is a pejorative. 0.94
00:11:16 Right.
00:11:16 We use this to slam things now.
00:11:19 And this even, forget the left, I hear this constantly on the right.
00:11:22 Oh, yeah.
00:11:22 We take the people, our forefathers, without which this thing called America would never have existed.
00:11:30 We take their lineage and legacy, and we essentially use it as a put down.
00:11:36 We are ingrates.
00:11:36 And if you look at the history of the Puritans, remember what they were rebelling against. They weren't fleeing Islamic hordes in Asia Minor, future modern day Turkey, you know, invading the seven churches of that area.
00:11:53 They weren't fading, they weren't evading the Islamic hordes in Lebanon, one of the original Christian colonies in the first couple of centuries. 0.87
00:12:05 This wasn't, let's get it, you know, the Druids have come over the wall. 0.93
00:12:09 The Visigoths have come over the wall. 1.00
00:12:10 The barbarians are at the gate. 0.99
00:12:12 They were fleeing their own countrymen. 0.89
00:12:15 They were fleeing their own church.
00:12:17 You said, no, you could not teach and preach the Bible.
00:12:20 You could not teach it without a license.
00:12:21 You could not teach and preach it.
00:12:23 That's what put John Bunyan in prison when he wrote Pilgrim's Progress.
00:12:27 They refused to abide by the laws that said you needed state permission on what you could and could not preach.
00:12:33 These were people who spoke their language.
00:12:35 They shared customs.
00:12:36 They shared communities, right?
00:12:39 I mean, that's what they had to flee.
00:12:42 And I think that maybe what we have been blessed to be able to forget in America.
00:12:47 When Jesus said, I do not think I came to bring peace, but a sword.
00:12:50 mother against daughter, father against son, brother against brother, the truth of who I am
00:12:56 and what I represent and the kingdom that I'm establishing will divide humanity to a molecular,
00:13:04 granular level. We are the first kingdom in Christendom that's not really had to
00:13:10 truly understand or experience that. And we are a kingdom that was founded or at least inspired
00:13:20 by christian teaching christian orthodoxy and so we can all debate the ink like you mentioned
00:13:30 george washington you know and and you know thomas jefferson famously cut all the miracles
00:13:35 out of his bible now why did he do that did he do that as a statement of heterodoxy did he do that
00:13:40 to make i mean there's we can debate the individual links and extent of each one of
00:13:45 these men's faith and adherence to it. What you cannot debate is that the founding of this country
00:13:53 was at least marinated in the scriptures, at least marinated in it. And so we're the first
00:14:00 people in the history of Christianity. From the time the religion was founded, originally this
00:14:06 was a uniquely Jewish argument. Jewish families divided. Is this Yeshua of Nazareth? Is he Messiah
00:14:12 or not right go into the pagan the gentile uncircumcised countries you're you're on the 1.00
00:14:20 you're on you're in the outskirts of a civilization in in all of those places you're the outsider 0.84
00:14:26 this is the first time that we're the epicenter this is the this is the first time that culture
00:14:33 emanates from the inside out of our belief system on a on a mass scale right and and so this is
00:14:40 going to be very new to us. And I go to Hebrews when the writer talks about the large cloud of
00:14:46 witnesses that are cheering us on, rooting us on for us to finish our race. For the saints that
00:14:53 have come before us, this is nothing new. They're probably wondering, how did you guys let this get
00:14:59 away with this for so long? Because they constantly lived on the defensive, constantly. And so we're
00:15:07 going to be the first generation of Christians in 2,000 years that have seen a cultural birthright
00:15:14 hijacked and taken away from them. No previous era of Christianity prior to the founding of this
00:15:20 republic knew what a Christian heritage or birthright was. Such a thing was just foreign 1.00
00:15:28 to their thinking. And so it's going to be, it's not new for Christianity what's going down in a
00:15:34 post-Christian America, but it's going to be new for us. Right. I completely agree. New for this 0.51
00:15:39 generation, not new for, you know, the full gamut of church history. And you're absolutely right.
00:15:43 I mean, whether it be King Alfred, you know, in England's legacy that the Lord used in
00:15:47 extraordinary ways, it still wasn't, it wasn't the origin. It wasn't from the beginning. This
00:15:52 is one of the only places where from the beginning, there was a covenant between the nation
00:15:56 and God. And, you know, people always, people have such a problem, right? So people are okay
00:16:00 with saying Christian individuals. And then some guys will go a little further and say, okay,
00:16:05 we could call this a Christian church, but you can't have a Christian family unless all your
00:16:10 kids are regenerate and baptized. You can't have a Christian nation, right? You can't have a 0.99
00:16:15 Christian this, you can't. And it's like, okay, when we say a Christian nation, we say a Christian 1.00
00:16:19 this or that, we're not saying each and every individual person in it is born again. I can't 0.92
00:16:24 even say that about my church as a pastor, you know, and that's not just, that's not because
00:16:28 i'm a paedo baptist which i'm most of my friends are um i do you know i'm credo baptist 1689 you
00:16:34 know particular baptist reformed baptist so i believe in in regenerate church membership i do
00:16:39 the best of my ability but i have no doubt i've baptized plenty of people that um that weren't
00:16:44 actually saved you know that that are you know are going to wind up in hell hell and so i can't
00:16:48 even you know if that's the standard each person who belongs to this organization must be regenerate
00:16:52 in order for it to be a christian thing and and people are having problems with this but the
00:16:56 bottom line is that God is a covenantal God. He works in the framework, in the context of
00:17:01 covenants. And I do believe, of course, there's nothing else like the old covenant that God
00:17:07 established with Israel. And for me, I'm a covenant theologian guy, not a dispensationalist.
00:17:12 So I would say that the only equivalent of that and even greater eschaton than that is the church.
00:17:18 So the church is the new Israel, not America. But I do believe that other nations outside of
00:17:23 ethnic israel even under this new covenant dispensation to use that word um can be christian
00:17:30 and make covenants with god i believe that the founders made a covenant with the triune god
00:17:35 and that's why this nation was blessed and that doesn't mean that everyone was a christian but
00:17:40 but it was a christian nation and i i would say that covenant still stands that we're actually
00:17:44 still in covenant with god but we're currently an apostatizing christian nation under god's
00:17:50 judgment. What do you think about that? The language that is used in the Declaration of
00:17:55 Independence, for example, where they openly ask and invoke for God to judge the rectitude of their
00:18:02 actions. In other words, judge our motivations. If we have not rightly divided the teaching of
00:18:12 your word, that if this is in violation of Romans 13, if it is wrong in all circumstances to revolt
00:18:19 against a government, regardless of how godless, oppressive, and tyrannical it is. Don't let us be
00:18:26 successful. Don't judge the rectitude of our actions. Judge our motivations. That's what that
00:18:30 word means. Don't let us set a terrible precedent. And even if we are right, even if we are right,
00:18:36 Joel, they said we couldn't possibly succeed against the most powerful empire in the world
00:18:40 without a, quote, firm reliance on divine providence. So there is, at the very least,
00:18:48 indirect invoking of covenantal language there. At the very least, they were attempting in a
00:18:55 civic sense to emulate what they had seen exist between the Mosaic covenant and God in the past. 0.65
00:19:02 Right. Follow my laws and decrees and you can live in the land. If you don't, then you cannot.
00:19:07 In other words, we curry God's favor and protection as a people through collective
00:19:13 obedience, not in the, not in perfect individual, you know, uh, autonomous salvation. Um, but they
00:19:21 were at least trying to emulate that in some civic way. We can debate whether it went to the extent
00:19:27 of covenant, covenant explicitly, but at the very least they were implicitly invoking that language
00:19:34 on purpose. They were at least trying to emulate that sort of conversation or, or paradigm in a
00:19:40 sense right yep no i completely agree and and if you don't keep all these laws which they absolutely
00:19:47 invoke they they use that kind of covenantal language and say we will do it reminds me of
00:19:51 deuteronomy we'll do all the things that you know the lord has told us to do more citations you know
00:19:54 quoting uh deuteronomy and leviticus than than john locke you know and some of these early you know
00:20:00 documents and so you know that explicit christian language but one of the things the scripture says
00:20:04 is that is is that if you know if god's people did not live properly in obedience and holiness
00:20:09 in the land the land itself it wasn't just that god would turn against them but the land itself
00:20:14 uh would would swallow them and spew them out you know that they're actually the land would be
00:20:20 cursed this land that was meant to be a land of milk and honey and prosperity and all these
00:20:25 because there's so many reasons for the success of america and what i want to advocate is saying
00:20:29 that this is not the only reason but i think the chief reason is a covenant with god i think that
00:20:33 god has blessed america question um but i do also think like america has more navigable
00:20:38 the reason we cracked the code on self-government is we came up with
00:20:42 our our founders initiated the concept of rights that come from god and not from government that's
00:20:47 that's the difference between a constitution and the magna carta that there's not liberty by law
00:20:52 there is liberty by the laws of nature and nature's god it is the intention of god for for man to live
00:21:00 this way. And so therefore, government is every bit as accountable to God as the individual is.
00:21:07 God is not a respecter of persons, your station, your socioeconomic status. There are kings and
00:21:13 queens in hell. There are rich people in hell. There are philanthropists and vagrants in hell
00:21:17 alike. He does not judge and separate the way that we do as human beings. That language is
00:21:26 what sustained us as the longest running concurrent experiment in self-government in all of human
00:21:32 history, which you're talking about. Yep, absolutely. Lex Rex, like the law is king.
00:21:36 There's something about the statement. And that something is not just an idea. It's not just
00:21:40 some ethereal mystical, it's a person. His name is the Lord Jesus Christ. And so what, you know,
00:21:45 I remember when MacArthur came out with his article, which I really appreciated his stance
00:21:49 and those things that he did. But one difference, one, you know, for me, theologically from MacArthur
00:21:54 and being more covenantal and those kinds of things.
00:21:56 MacArthur said, Christ, not Caesar, is head of the church.
00:21:59 And I want to say a thousand times yes and amen.
00:22:01 And then I want to also say, and Christ, not Caesar, is also head of the state.
00:22:05 So render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, but to God what is God's. 0.63
00:22:08 The question, though, that Christians should ask is, okay, 0.82
00:22:10 and who gets to decide what is Caesar's? 0.62
00:22:12 Does Caesar get to say what is Caesar's?
00:22:14 Because what if Caesar says everything is Caesar's?
00:22:16 Because that's what Caesar's do, you know what I mean?
00:22:18 And so it's just like, so render unto Caesar.
00:22:20 But the question is, of course Christ is head of the church.
00:22:23 And what I want Christians to get is Christ is not exclusively head of the church.
00:22:26 He's uniquely head of the church.
00:22:28 So the church is the only institution that Christ in his headship, he actually laid himself down and died for the church.
00:22:35 It's the only thing that is described not only as his body, but as his bride that he gave himself up for the church.
00:22:41 But Ephesians 1.22 says that God has set him as head of all things, all things.
00:22:47 So Christ must be head of the state as well.
00:22:50 So my point is, Christians have to recognize separation of church and state.
00:22:54 I'm for it, 100%.
00:22:55 I think that's one of the beauties of America and the American experiment, the government
00:22:59 that we've had. 0.54
00:23:00 So I don't want an ecclesiocracy, a church-run state.
00:23:03 And I sure as heck don't want we've had the last little while of a state-run church. 0.89
00:23:08 I don't want the three-self church in China, which we're getting dangerously close to. 0.93
00:23:11 So I don't want a state-run church, church-run state. 0.81
00:23:13 But I do want Christ as the head of the church and Christ as the head of the state.
00:23:17 So separation of church and state, yes.
00:23:18 separation of Christ and state. No, which means the state has a duty. I believe a moral obligation 0.70
00:23:24 before God to kiss the son, Psalm chapter two, lest he be angry and to recognize that Jesus is
00:23:30 Lord and that we're not just this polytheism, public atheism kind of thing. No, we believe in
00:23:35 the triune God. That doesn't mean that people of other religions can't live here, be equal citizens
00:23:40 with equal rights under the law, equal provisions. But there is something to be said for like England,
00:23:45 And, you know, everybody's upset about Christian nationalism. 0.61
00:23:47 And then Queen Elizabeth dies and they're doing the whole pomp and circumstance.
00:23:51 You're the defender of the faith.
00:23:54 That's, you know what I mean?
00:23:56 And I think that's our founding.
00:23:58 That's our heritage.
00:23:59 We did that better than them.
00:24:00 We did it better than them.
00:24:01 Let's keep doing it.
00:24:02 Any thoughts on that idea of separation of church and state? 0.87
00:24:05 Yes. 0.68
00:24:06 Separation of Christ and state? 0.63
00:24:07 No. 0.71
00:24:08 What do you think?
00:24:10 I could not have said it better myself, frankly.
00:24:13 I'll simply add this.
00:24:15 All throughout human history, the spirit of the age, which is one of the references that the Bible uses to the demonic manifestation of influence within a culture.
00:24:28 All throughout human history, there has never been a period of time that the spirit of the age did not attempt to manifest itself politically. 0.54
00:24:34 Whether we're talking about kings that call themselves Baal, Peor in the Old Testament.
00:24:39 I am the Lord. 0.98
00:24:40 I'm a Lord of the cult of Baal. 0.96
00:24:42 I rule in Baal's place. 0.96
00:24:44 I rule by Baal's stead, or I am God as king, as Nero declared and other Caesars did. 0.88
00:24:51 There has never been a time that the spirit of the age has not attempted to manifest itself 0.62
00:24:56 politically. And you're seeing that in our day and age as well. The other thing I would add is
00:25:01 every government in the history of humanity has been a theocracy. It is just a matter of who the
00:25:07 Theo is. That's right. And ours is Demos right now. I would say the people and behind that,
00:25:13 right because here's the thing people say uh you know our battle is not against flesh and blood
00:25:17 right how if we had a dollar every time a christian quoted that to in in some kind of
00:25:21 pietistic motive that's pietistically used as an excuse not to actually confront any exactly so
00:25:27 it's pietism you know wrapped in scripture but here's the thing it's so easy scripturally so
00:25:32 our battle is not against flesh and blood but first timothy i believe it's chapter one or two
00:25:36 says, it says, rebuke your opponents gently, not knowing if God might grant to them repentance
00:25:44 and that they might come to their senses after having been taken captive by Satan to do his
00:25:51 will, which means our battle is not against flesh and blood is against Satan. But who does Satan
00:25:55 enlist in his army? Flesh and blood, flesh and blood. And so, so that doesn't mean that we pick
00:26:01 up a literal sword, but we certainly have to, we have to engage with arguments. We have to be
00:26:05 involved all these kinds of things and and so i would say that the god of it's not it's not whether
00:26:10 but which and so you're absolutely right everything's a theocracy just which god and i would
00:26:14 say our god is is sadly is becoming more and more satan um but wrapped in in terms of the veneer it
00:26:20 would be demos the people this this raw democracy of of mob rule you know that it's just mob tyranny
00:26:27 and and and that's why like the voting outside last house too brother go ahead go ahead say that
00:26:33 They had mob rule outside Lot's house too.
00:26:37 They had a democracy outside Lot's house too. 0.99
00:26:39 They took a vote and said, yeah, we're going to rape the angels first, then we'll rape 1.00
00:26:44 your daughters and your family. 1.00
00:26:45 That's a great way to put it, Steve.
00:26:47 And that's the will of the people.
00:26:49 So what do we got to do?
00:26:50 I know you only have so much time.
00:26:51 What do we got to do?
00:26:52 This is what I told my church, because I preach on politics in the church, because the statement
00:26:57 Jesus is Lord is the most political statement ever made.
00:26:59 And so I preach the scripture.
00:27:01 So I think faithful preaching is revelation, interpretation, application, revelation being
00:27:06 there's only one revelation, the word of God.
00:27:07 So you don't stand before the people of God behind the pulpit and say, I have a dream.
00:27:10 I have an idea.
00:27:11 I have a strategy.
00:27:12 Then sit down.
00:27:13 If that's what you have, you say, I have a text of the word of God.
00:27:16 Then you interpret revelation, interpretation of a faithful exegesis of the text, but then
00:27:20 it's application.
00:27:21 And guess what?
00:27:22 The Bible doesn't just apply to, uh, to an hour on Sunday morning and to a marriage and
00:27:26 parenting.
00:27:26 The Bible applies to economics and to vocation and to arts and to government and all these different things.
00:27:33 And so I talked about the election and people were feeling the disappointment.
00:27:36 Texas did fairly well, you know, but feeling the disappointment, those kinds of things.
00:27:41 And I told them three things we need.
00:27:42 We need preaching, teaching and training, preaching, teaching and training.
00:27:45 I said preaching.
00:27:46 One of the things, one of the biggest problems, this is the core problem is we just don't have enough Christians and are not truly born again, regenerate Christians.
00:27:54 So we need preaching because the gospel is the only power of God for salvation.
00:27:58 So we just, we need some good old, and I'm talking old-timey preaching where people claw
00:28:02 into the pews in front of them, sinners in the hands of an angry God, Jonathan Edwards
00:28:05 preaching.
00:28:06 They claw into the pews out of terror of God's judgment that he's a thrice holy God and that
00:28:10 he will not by any means pardon the wicked except lest they believe, repent of their
00:28:15 sin and believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ.
00:28:17 Because the people who claw into the pews are the ones when they're offered the free
00:28:20 grace that's found in Christ alone, claw into Christ and they never let them go.
00:28:23 So we need preaching and regeneration. We need teaching. The Christians that we do have, we don't have enough, but the ones that we do have are reading the Gospel Coalition and this third wayism where it's like, well, over here we have the sanctity of life, but over here we have caring for the poor. And it's this false dichotomy, right? And then what's said is, well, both are bad. And it's implicitly said they're equally bad, aka you can either not vote at all, just not be involved, or you could really go either way. And really, if you want to be a good person, you should vote Democrat.
00:28:52 at. So we need some teaching. And then last training, we need Christian schools. We used
00:28:57 to have them. They were called the public schools. There was Bible classes in the schools, Christian
00:29:02 flags in the school. That's why Catholics started their schools because the American public schools 0.85
00:29:05 once upon a time were Protestant schools for the most part, but that's just not the case anymore.
00:29:10 We need to start good, strong, robust Christian schools. And so that's what I've been telling
00:29:14 people. This is the way forward. This is what we got to do. But you've got some great stuff. I saw
00:29:19 you on twitter you said you know what i'm probably going to do a little less politics and a little
00:29:23 bit more theology because you were feeling some of the same things that i've been feeling that we
00:29:26 just we need some christians in here do you have any more takeaways from this last election trump's
00:29:32 announcement everything that's going on in the political world what can christians do what do
00:29:36 we need i think we have to remember that for 1700 almost 1700 years between christ's ascension
00:29:45 and when the pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock, Christendom endured and survived countless
00:29:53 martyrdoms, countless persecutions, countless tyrannies. It didn't have a U.S. Constitution.
00:30:00 It didn't have a Republican Party. It didn't have hacktastic politicians. It didn't have the right
00:30:06 to vote. How did it endure? And it endured in my, to me, when I look at church history,
00:30:13 well first of all it endured because upon this rock I will build my church and not even the
00:30:18 gates of hell will prevail against it because it is the bride of the ruler of gods of all creation
00:30:23 so that's the meta-theological answer okay but then but then how did did did how did Christ work
00:30:31 out his royalty within that statement what did it look like to us in an earthly realm two things
00:30:38 One, everything that you just said, everything you just said, but two, Christians learn the art of the word no, whether it's the monk who came out of the stands in the Colosseum and pleaded in the name of Christ, stop, and then got murdered on the floor of the Colosseum that day.
00:31:07 but his murder so shocked the people that that was the last, that was the end of the Gladiator
00:31:11 games. Whether it's Polycarp saying all these 80 years of my life, my Lord has been faithful to me.
00:31:20 How do I deny him now at the end? Whether it's a black Baptist seamstress who just used the word 0.98
00:31:26 no on a bus one day and sparked the civil rights movement on and on and goes the use of the word 0.96
00:31:33 no, we will not comply. When we will give Caesar the tribute he deserves for the paving of the
00:31:41 roads and the civil defense. When Caesar asks for my worship, when Caesar asks for my ethics,
00:31:48 those don't belong to you. That is not the jurisdiction of the state that Christ gave to you.
00:31:55 I serve God and not man. I fear God and not man. Yes, you can put me in the stockade. You can put
00:32:01 me on the gallows. You can draw and quarter me. You can drop me in a vat of acid. He can cast my 1.00
00:32:05 soul into hell. So no, my answer is no. And I think now that we're no longer in an era that
00:32:14 we can trust these institutions largely founded in our belief system to defend us as the default,
00:32:20 as the benefit of the doubt on a very individual, granular, molecular level,
00:32:26 We're going to have to learn how to say, no.
00:32:30 Right.
00:32:31 No, I won't wear your mask anymore.
00:32:33 No, I won't take your mark of the beast jab.
00:32:35 No, I'm not going to do that.
00:32:37 My answer is no.
00:32:39 I will not comply with this.
00:32:41 And I'm not afraid of your retribution.
00:32:45 And for most Americans, retribution is a negative comment by an ant they can't stand already on a Facebook page.
00:32:51 Okay.
00:32:51 We're not talking about the stuff that the martyrs of old faced.
00:32:55 Right.
00:32:55 We're talking about, oh, no, I can't get on Instagram anymore.
00:32:59 Whatever will I do, okay?
00:33:01 I mean, it's, you know, I got so ticked off the other day. 0.98
00:33:05 Nothing says 21st century Christian more like jumping on Twitter to kvetch all day about your boat don't count, okay? 0.97
00:33:12 Right. 0.61
00:33:13 In your heat at home, all right, you know, while following the lower third on Fox News on your satellite dish all the get out of here, man, okay?
00:33:21 I don't want to hear any more talk.
00:33:23 Civil War is coming, dude.
00:33:25 You wouldn't take your princess to Costco without a mask for a year.
00:33:29 Yeah, right.
00:33:30 You ain't fighting a civil war.
00:33:32 Don't urinate on me and tell me it's raining. 0.99
00:33:34 Get out of here. 0.99
00:33:35 Okay, come on.
00:33:36 So let's start with a simple word. 0.95
00:33:40 No.
00:33:41 Right.
00:33:41 When a relationship, when a job, when a government, any entity, any person,
00:33:47 when they ask me to do something that God says I should do for them,
00:33:51 I will do it with all of my might.
00:33:52 When they ask me to do something that God largely doesn't prioritize or is silent on, as long as that doesn't violate my conscience, I'll happily take part in the community ritual.
00:34:05 When they ask me to do something that God says, don't do that.
00:34:10 My answer is no.
00:34:11 Yeah.
00:34:12 Amen.
00:34:12 Yeah, somebody, I can't remember who it was, but he basically said that all of life's yeses are ultimately decided by your higher no.
00:34:22 That a lot of people, they're saying yes to everything because they've said no to nothing, right?
00:34:27 And so that's where compromise happens.
00:34:29 So being able to have a God in heaven who judges the living and the dead, who actually, he wrote a book.
00:34:35 He speaks through nature.
00:34:36 He has two books.
00:34:37 But he also wrote a book that you can pick it up and you can read and seeing what God forbids and seeing what God, what is God's no for my life and being able to sketch that out and get that squared away and then being able to say, okay, so then these are the bounds, right?
00:34:53 The fish, you know, I need to be liberated from this prison and oppression of water, you know, and one day it swims as fast as it can and it jumps out of the water onto the land and dies, right?
00:35:03 The thing that it thought was imprisoning it was that that was the proper context that God determined and created.
00:35:09 That's where the fish was free, actually, was the water.
00:35:13 And so being able to say this is the no, I think that's fantastic. 0.79
00:35:17 The one thing I want to add to that is just I think that primarily men say no.
00:35:23 I think that's part of how God's designed us is to be defenders, to be protectors, to be providers.
00:35:28 um my wife so we've been married now um coming up on eight years and uh she was horrible at saying
00:35:35 no and she she would she you know she admits that she would be you know she'd be like yeah
00:35:40 joel's right um and i had to really disciple her in the art of knowing you know um uh telling people
00:35:47 know what to say no to and i mean it it it was horrible for her at first because i'm saying i'm
00:35:52 like i'm sorry sweetheart we're saying no to this no we're not going to go to uh 15 birthday parties
00:35:56 this way. No, we're not going to, you know, like we're saying, no, we're saying, no, we're saying
00:35:59 no. Um, and, and that was really hard for her, but, but it freed her. And, and here's the thing,
00:36:04 she got better at saying no, but she also doesn't have to be a master at saying no. Cause she's got 0.98
00:36:08 me. Um, and, and I, I just think that one of the things that, that, that progressives do that
00:36:13 liberals do is they've beaten conservatives at, at stealing the hearts of women at, at, and because
00:36:19 they've gotten really good at storytelling. I thought, why are they so much better at
00:36:21 storytelling? And I think it's the facts over feelings, which I get the sentiment. That's true,
00:36:25 But I think the facts over feeling mantra is like, we've got the pie charts, we've got the graphs, we've got like, we actually have the truth on our side. So we don't have to be elaborate and good storytellers. But good storytelling appeals to people, period, but especially women, the way that I think God has wired them and designed them.
00:36:43 And we just saw, you know, all the single ladies, all the single ladies really came out, you know, as a voting bloc, not an ethnic voting bloc, not poor or rich, not an economic stat, but gender, single women came out in full force for Democrats.
00:36:59 And I just feel like one of the things that we need and saying no and holding the line and these kinds of things is men have to win the hearts of their wives.
00:37:07 We have to win. Fathers have to win the hearts of their daughters.
00:37:10 And we need to do it by teaching them the facts over feelings.
00:37:13 But we also need to do it by showing them glorious stories once more, showing them like you hear a story of this person, this poor person coming up in a caravan that just wants, you know, freedom in America.
00:37:23 And, you know, and there's only 13,000 of them that want to cross over.
00:37:26 And, but there's another part of the story, but we just give the pie chart, but we need to, like, how do we tell that story that shows, that shows that this actually leads towards destruction and this actually preserves life. And I don't know, any, any thoughts on storytelling? Do you think I'm off there or is there, there a better way that you would say that?
00:37:44 No. I mean, I think this is the third question in a row that you've asked me that I thought you probably gave a better way than I was going to give you.
00:37:50 Okay. All right. Well then I know you're running out of time. So any final thoughts?
00:37:54 Well, first of all, you're talking to a guy that has a movie coming out next year about a book he wrote.
00:38:01 Oh, good. Well, there you go. That's what we need.
00:38:04 Yeah, with the intent of trying to retell good storytelling again.
00:38:09 Amen.
00:38:10 We can do this as Christians without being cheesy.
00:38:13 We can honestly depict the world as it is without making it look like we're glorifying it at the exact same time.
00:38:19 At least that's the needle we're going to try to thread.
00:38:22 But I completely agree with you about storytelling, Joel.
00:38:25 And I think it's the last place left in our culture where persuasion can take place.
00:38:30 When it comes to whether it's emotion or logic, those sectors are as balkanized as they could possibly be at this point.
00:38:41 They're bulwarks against each other, and there's no cartilage in that ligament, in that knee any longer.
00:38:46 The place where the gap between emotion and logic can be bridged so persuasion can take place is with storytelling.
00:38:56 And I do think for our side, that is just as it was 80, 70, 80 years ago when a Catholic evangelized an atheist in a college town pub.
00:39:09 And out of that friendship came the stories that became known as Lord of the Rings, Middle Earth, and the Chronicles of Narnia.
00:39:16 Um, that's, that is where we have an opportunity to persuade still in the West and is with,
00:39:23 is with the art of storytelling.
00:39:26 Uh, Christ spends much of the word, the time that he is physically on earth telling what
00:39:30 we call parables, but that's storytelling.
00:39:33 Storytelling is, I think the last outpost of persuasion left in our culture.
00:39:37 And I would encourage our side to learn and master it.
00:39:41 Amen.
00:39:42 Yeah.
00:39:42 I love it.
00:39:42 Tolkien, you know, he took Lewis up on a hill and he showed, you know, the wind was blowing.
00:39:47 It was evening, the breeze, the moon's coming out, you know, as the legend goes.
00:39:50 And he said, you know, and he's talking to him about Christ and God creating all things and the Christian faith is real.
00:39:56 And Lewis, you know, once again, for the thousandth time, it's a myth.
00:40:00 And Tolkien, you know, famously said, it's a myth, but it's true.
00:40:04 This is the one true myth.
00:40:05 The best myth, the best legend of all, the best story ever made is the one that's true.
00:40:11 we like that that is such powerful artillery that we have in you know on our side and we we need to
00:40:18 use it and and one other thing that i thought was just talking you know how people used to tell
00:40:22 stories back in the day um you knew who the bad guys were because they were orcs you know what i
00:40:27 mean like like they they looked like bad guys i think that's part of the part of the problem right
00:40:32 now is the bad guys just they they look they they use the storytelling all those kinds of things to
00:40:37 look altruistic to look like oh look at how empathetic this person is and and and they've
00:40:42 really done a good job at taking the few good guys that we have and making them look like monsters
00:40:46 and racist and this kind of and i i think that good storytelling one of the reasons we needed
00:40:52 is because again the pie chart's just not going to do it we need to be able to cut through
00:40:55 and and and rip off that mask and say um this dude's an orc he's an orc wearing elf skin you
00:41:02 know what i mean like like look at him he's literally he's got blood coming out of his mouth
00:41:05 You know, like from the last person's head that he ate, you know, and, and, and this person is not, um, you know, this person is beautiful.
00:41:12 And so to be able to take truth, it's not just truth and falsehoods, it's beauty and ugliness.
00:41:18 I think we need to make falsehoods ugly again and truth beautiful again.
00:41:22 So how can people follow you, Steve, um, and keep up with you and, and what should they be looking for?
00:41:27 What's, what's on the horizon?
00:41:28 What's your next big thing?
00:41:29 um in the next winter or this winter we have uh a book coming out called rise of the fourth
00:41:36 right confronting covid fascism with a new nuremberg trial so this never happens again
00:41:41 and that that is gonna that's 400 pages of rock your world when that comes out so uh look forward
00:41:47 to that we just finished the the movie version of my 2016 book a nefarious plot about a demonic
00:41:54 takeover of America. That is my homage to the screw tape letters. Um, in fact, our, my movie
00:41:59 makers are bringing me the film, the finished version to screen for me and my investors this
00:42:03 weekend. Awesome. We are looking forward to that. Then we will start having distribution
00:42:08 conversations after Thanksgiving and, uh, it'll be released next year. I don't know much more than
00:42:13 that, but I've seen the rough cut of the film. I'm very, very pleased with how it turned out
00:42:18 and I can't wait for people to see it. So those are two projects then, you know, you can get our
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