The NXR Podcast - August 15, 2023


THEOLOGY APPLIED - They NEED Us To Lose Down Here ｜ Here’s Why ｜ with AD Robles


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In this episode, Pastor Joel Webbin is joined by A.D. Robles to discuss why they need us to lose down here, and why they don't just believe it or think it's going to happen.

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00:00:24.060 review on your favorite podcast platform. Thanks. All right, welcome to another episode of Theology
00:00:30.180 Applied. I'm your host, Pastor Joel Webbin with Right Response Ministries. In this episode,
00:00:34.620 I'm privileged to welcome back for the 147th time, one of my close friends and favorite guest of all
00:00:40.560 time, A.D. Robles. The title of this episode is, They Need Us to Lose Down Here, and Here's Why.
00:00:48.840 Again, they need us. Not just they believe it or they think it's going to happen. They need us
00:00:54.620 to lose down here. And here's why. What we're discussing in this episode is the exact reasons
00:01:00.900 why some of those who have been on the side of we lose down here are so ardently trying to win
00:01:08.060 down here to further ensure that ultimately we lose down here. Those are the things that we get
00:01:14.000 into. It's quite, I believe, if I do say so myself, an insightful episode. Thanks for tuning in.
00:01:21.440 Applying God's Word to Every Aspect of Life. This is Theology of Life.
00:01:31.080 All right, so there's a clip that's been making the rounds on the internet and the Twitter sphere
00:01:35.980 that has the possibility, the real potential, becoming perhaps one of my favorite clips of
00:01:41.740 all time. And without further ado, let's go ahead and roll tape. So going over to YouTube,
00:01:48.760 check out my most recent video. It's called something like, why aren't you being treated
00:01:52.240 like Andrew Torba? And the point of the video is that, you know, there's lots of people out there
00:01:59.060 that, you know, quote unquote, believe the right things, right? They believe correct theology,
00:02:03.960 they have the right ideologies or political positions, but they don't really get a whole
00:02:09.060 lot of hate you know they don't get the most vicious opposition the most vicious lies told
00:02:13.380 about them they don't get uh they don't get the attempts at destroying your life you know what i
00:02:17.920 mean or actually de-platformed you like like like uh i think a big a big person that i think of is
00:02:24.480 ben shapiro i mean he's got a humongous platform yeah sure people say they don't like ben shapiro
00:02:29.840 but at the end of the day he's allowed to exist everywhere you know what i mean he's not a threat
00:02:33.840 to the system and the reason why is because there's really no solutions there's a lot of
00:02:38.640 complaining there's a lot of head knowledge there's a lot of faith but there's no works
00:02:44.300 and even the pagans know that faith without works is dead it's not faith at all nobody's
00:02:50.200 worried about it nobody's concerned so if you believe the right things but you're you're like
00:02:55.920 dedicated to losing down here nobody cares nobody cares but the people that get you know the worst
00:03:03.540 attacks the people that get those vicious lies designed to destroy your life the people that
00:03:07.740 get actually deplatformed they're the ones that actually put action to it you know they have the
00:03:12.320 right beliefs and they also put action to it they're making moves they're they're they're
00:03:16.400 making application you know it's like if you're a patriarchy person nobody cares nobody cares and
00:03:22.300 they might oppose you in word but they don't really get all uppity but they get uppity when
00:03:26.060 you start to actually promote actual tangible things that a husband should do like nobody
00:03:30.660 cares that you're a patriarchy but the minute you say and a husband should monitor what his wife
00:03:34.300 reads, that's when they lose their minds. Faith without works is dead. Even the pagan knows
00:03:40.280 faith without works is dead. And so if you're not being, if there are not any, in any area of your
00:03:46.900 life, someone trying to destroy you, um, there's no vicious opposition at any point in your life.
00:03:52.260 You need to really take a good look in the mirror because faith without works is dead.
00:03:57.940 All right. And we are very privileged in this episode to have the star of that cinematic
00:04:02.120 production with us right here in the flesh. He's in the flesh wherever he is. He's not in the flesh
00:04:08.160 with me. We're doing this virtually, but we've got A.D. Robles. Welcome to the show, brother.
00:04:12.580 I'm glad to be here. Thanks for inviting me.
00:04:14.700 Cool. So let me just give you my synopsis of what you just said in that clip. And then let's pick
00:04:20.420 your brain and hear some more. We'll just chat back and forth. But I noticed that there's really
00:04:24.700 only one thing that you talked about, but we could say maybe two subcategories within that
00:04:29.320 one thing. The one thing is kind of a Shia LaBeouf style. Do it, do it, you know, do something
00:04:36.680 right. It's like the one thing that you're talking about is do something. The two subcategories,
00:04:42.140 as I was able to, you know, watch the clip as I was trying to pick out the two subcategories is
00:04:47.020 you do something or you tell someone else to do something. Either way, you can get in trouble
00:04:52.240 real fast so so it's all within the the main banner the the headline is um is works it's uh
00:04:59.800 it's doing good works in keeping with repentance we're not saved by works we're saved by grace
00:05:03.860 alone through faith alone in christ alone but uh saving faith is never alone it's always
00:05:08.500 accompanied by good works faith without works is dead and so you're doing something building
00:05:13.960 something or um you are in in building your own things you're also encouraging and at times even
00:05:21.260 insisting, even kind of giving someone a little bit of a brotherly kick in the rear end that they
00:05:27.420 need to do something. And that last part, you know, that was kind of, you were probably referring to
00:05:32.620 me getting in trouble a couple of weeks ago with the illustration that I gave about, well, this is
00:05:37.500 what biblical patriarchy looks like in practice. I just ran a poll today, the day that we're
00:05:41.520 recording this episode where I said, I'm just, you know, for, for my own personal research purposes,
00:05:47.560 not trying to cause offense, but I just want to see where people are at. Would you answer this
00:05:51.760 question in practice? And then I put in parentheses, not in theory, but in practice,
00:05:57.340 how much authority does a husband have in his home? None. I'm an egalitarian feminist or none.
00:06:03.120 I'm a complimentarian feminist. And I was just curious where people, is it none or is it none?
00:06:07.760 Like which, you know, which theory are you going to use at the end of the day when the rubber meets
00:06:12.120 the road to say that a husband virtually has absolutely no authority in his life whatsoever.
00:06:17.340 And it got me thinking, because that's always where I get in trouble, is at the realm of application.
00:06:21.780 I tell people all the time, I think good preaching is three parts, revelation, interpretation, application.
00:06:26.940 And some of these new reform guys over the past 20 years, they're faithful, we're grateful for them, God used them in your life and mine.
00:06:33.640 But at the end of the day, if you don't get to that third piece, the application, I think it's equivalent to an audible commentary on the Lord's Day, but it's not a sermon.
00:06:42.860 It's, I have a text, revelation, I have an exegesis of that text, interpretation, but
00:06:48.600 it doesn't actually give you anything to do.
00:06:50.960 And what you're able to do is you're actually able to take the exegetical principle of a
00:06:55.860 given passage, but in terms of repentance, in terms of your life, in terms of your action,
00:07:00.920 you can wiggle right out from underneath it.
00:07:03.400 But when I think of the old school, not the new Calvinism of the last 20, 30 years, but
00:07:07.860 I think old school reformers and especially the Puritans, these guys would say, here's
00:07:12.420 here is my text. Here is the exegesis. And then they would literally, you read some of like
00:07:17.700 Matthew Henry or Thomas Watson would be a great example. You read his sermons, you read his books
00:07:22.800 and it's a, it's a revelation text, interpretation, exegesis, and then like a half or two thirds of
00:07:29.960 a whole book or the whole manuscript will be. And now to application a man, if he is to do this,
00:07:36.300 it looks like on a Tuesday afternoon doing da da da da. And that's where the whole puritanical 0.67
00:07:41.540 pejorative because that's what it was that's where it came in the first place was saying
00:07:45.280 whoa dude you can't say that that's way too specific that's way too real that's way too
00:07:51.380 you're binding people's consciences and certainly those things are a possibility but but we always
00:07:56.300 talk about i just don't get it we got so many guys saying how much they love the puritans
00:08:00.320 but i don't really see anybody who actually loves the puritans because the puritans would tell you
00:08:05.300 what to do they were building an entire world a nation and telling other people what to do on
00:08:11.300 tuesday afternoon at the same time everybody loves them now because they're safely buried
00:08:15.380 six feet under the dirt courage is always appreciated once it's dead but i don't think
00:08:20.240 any of these new calvinist kind of guys would have liked them back then thoughts
00:08:25.460 yeah no i i think i think that that's a very good way to say what i was saying you know in a little
00:08:33.080 bit more detail i think this is the thing though this is where the rub always is right i mean
00:08:36.900 you know even when jesus would preach you know there's examples of this where
00:08:40.980 you know he preaches his sermons about some of the general principles and that's that's necessary
00:08:45.560 too right of course the theology is important but then he'd tell you specific things you should do
00:08:50.660 what what do we do and he's like well don't take more than you're what you're supposed to like
00:08:55.380 and that's the rub right like all that kind of stuff is the is the issue the thing is the thing
00:09:00.480 is, Joel, I think that people are very comfortable. This is going to sound real bad, but I think it's
00:09:08.580 true. The allure of a victim narrative is very, very tempting. And I think that when you start
00:09:17.960 to say things specifically about how a husband can lead the wife, and it's a very practical thing
00:09:24.440 what you said, Joel, and this is not really an episode to defend you, but it's just like what
00:09:28.200 you said was very practical, like spiritual head of the home. I mean, you would think that you'd
00:09:32.680 be monitoring, you know, the kinds of things your wife would be reading. That seems like a very
00:09:36.160 simple, easy application. But the problem is that I think people want to have a built-in excuse
00:09:44.200 either for themselves or for people that they love and they know where the wife went wayward
00:09:48.500 and it's not the husband's fault. They like that victim narrative because it kind of eliminates any
00:09:53.740 kind of responsibility for them you know i've seen this a lot with children too and in fact
00:09:58.520 you got in trouble with this one recently as well talking about your own children and like
00:10:03.640 people want the excuse that you know their children are turning to pagans and it's not their fault
00:10:08.600 right they want that excuse but it's like that's that that excuse is not there's so i think that
00:10:15.100 there's a temptation to sort of embrace a victim sort of narrative where maybe not a victim narrative
00:10:21.420 but sort of a like not my fault like that's that's life you know it happens sometimes when
00:10:26.980 really it it's it is your responsibility and you're responsible for what happens in your
00:10:32.020 household and so you would god wouldn't give you the responsibility if he didn't also give you the
00:10:37.640 authority and so i think people reject these specifics of the authority so that they end up
00:10:43.040 also kind of thinking they're they're shielded from responsibility as well it's kind of like a
00:10:48.180 It's like a cope almost.
00:10:49.960 Right.
00:10:50.420 Yeah.
00:10:50.800 And I think some people would push back.
00:10:52.360 The devil's advocate would say, well, you can't have it both ways.
00:10:54.780 It's, you know, you got to be consistent, A.D.
00:10:56.640 It's either I, you know, I take the blame if things go wrong, but I get the credit if
00:11:02.060 things go well, if I work really hard or, you know, I don't get any of the credit.
00:11:06.440 God gets all the glory, but also God gets the blame.
00:11:08.700 Well, the Bible talks about that.
00:11:10.120 I mean, Romans chapter three, Paul says, like, should we send since God, you know, since
00:11:14.400 there are times in god's sovereignty where he uses heinous things and works them for good
00:11:18.480 right i mean the acts chapter 2 and acts chapter 4 you know god's hand and plan predestined for
00:11:24.440 jesus to be put to death the most heinous wicked act that ever took place and yet it all happened
00:11:29.680 underneath the sovereignty of god and as we know because it happened under the sovereignty of god 0.81
00:11:34.060 pilot was innocent the jews are innocent no no god planned it and they're still guilty and so
00:11:40.100 it's like well you can't have it both ways but i biblically when i read the scripture i i don't see
00:11:44.940 i don't know any other way to read it if if things go poorly um it's because i failed if things go
00:11:52.960 well it's because god was gracious so god gets the glory in every circumstance in every scenario
00:11:59.680 um but but i actually have real responsibility and i really i've been thinking about it a lot
00:12:06.340 this kind of new calvinism which i really just i'm tired of it i think i think people think oh
00:12:12.240 we don't that's not a thing anymore the young reformed and restless that's not a thing you
00:12:15.560 know driscoll you know chandler you know um but we don't realize the the new calvinism of keller
00:12:21.320 and piper and these kind of um that that that is not uh the historic reformed position it's it's
00:12:28.500 continuationist uh it tends to be more baptist and less covenantal more dispensational less uh
00:12:34.020 less credo-baptist, less covenantal. There's just a lot of different things than when you look at
00:12:40.900 the Puritans and when you look at the Reformers. And I keep thinking within this new Calvinism, 0.84
00:12:45.580 the typical Calvinist in the West, in America, over the last 20 to 30 years, I think that one
00:12:51.960 quiet motivation, one silent incentive that a lot of these guys had for adopting reform soteriology,
00:12:58.740 the tulip is uh is being able to weaponize unconditional election as a way to absolve
00:13:05.620 their conscience for all their failures sure sure yeah no and i think i think the other thing here
00:13:11.900 here too is that um there there's um in the in new calvinism there's a right and good emphasis
00:13:21.020 on you know doctrinal you know correctness and purity and things like that that's all good stuff
00:13:26.480 right um but it's there's there's just so much more there you read the scriptures jesus of course
00:13:34.000 is teaching correct theology um and of course paul you know he emphasizes you know understanding
00:13:41.320 the nature of christ and and that's important to him you know he dedicates time to that he
00:13:45.740 dedicates time to you know uh faith uh apart from works and these things so these are all important
00:13:51.240 things but i remember when i first read the bible for myself you know i i can't i grew up sort of
00:13:57.600 with the new calvinist that was like how i came back to faith right i remember being completely
00:14:03.080 shocked how much time is is dedicated to good works and applications and things like that
00:14:10.240 it almost shook it shook me a little bit i was like you know this is really not the emphasis
00:14:14.720 that i've seen you know that's i haven't i've heard about you know it look nobody would say
00:14:19.420 this but the emphasis is almost like yeah no correct doctrine is what kind of gets you to
00:14:23.480 heaven almost that's a demonstration of your dem the way you demonstrate your faith is the
00:14:27.560 correctness of your doctrine i'm not going to say it gets you to heaven but that's the that's the
00:14:31.300 emphasis of your that's like the uh the evidence of your faith right how much you pray how good
00:14:36.960 your doctrine is how correct you are about that stuff those are the evidences of faith that's not
00:14:41.560 what the bible says the bible doesn't say that the bible says that the evidence of faith is your
00:14:47.060 good works right you know show me your faith uh uh apart from your works i'll show you my faith
00:14:51.760 by my works not by my good doctrine of course good doctrine of course is is important nobody's
00:14:55.920 saying it's not but it's really at these points of application that you get into trouble so many
00:15:03.920 people get into trouble with basic stuff it's just it's stuff that i just can't even imagine
00:15:09.060 how anyone could i could understand someone not agreeing with you uh joel but or and then michael
00:15:16.060 foster gets into this stuff too somebody like i can understand jihad you know progressive atheist
00:15:20.360 sure sure that makes sense but that's not what we're talking about we're talking about brothers
00:15:23.960 in christ yeah eric khan you know we get this stuff like he he gets into trouble like this too 1.00
00:15:30.500 saying basic things that are just really not complicated at all you know like a woman shouldn't 0.88
00:15:36.620 chop off parts of their body uh in order to be good at sports that's that's a dumb that's not 0.83
00:15:43.600 good right right and you get pushback on stuff like that it's like there something's got to 0.76
00:15:48.800 explain that and it's at these points of application that i think that there's just
00:15:53.000 there's a there's a fear it's a fear is what it is it's a fear that we might get something wrong
00:15:59.880 like maybe eric khan didn't say it quite the right way or didn't put the right picture up that's
00:16:04.820 because that's what i heard a lot of the pushback was and it's like but where does that fear come
00:16:09.220 from like eric khan is living like a free man and so many people out there are not living like free
00:16:14.740 man yeah yeah and that's well and that's the thing that you know that there's a big issue because if
00:16:19.880 it's just like well i don't think you put the picture up right or i i saw that some people
00:16:23.120 were getting the details of saying well there's a difference you know and just chopping something
00:16:26.780 off versus you know breast reduction and those kind of and that's true there is a there is a
00:16:30.820 difference and i'm trying to become a dude versus you know i'm still a woman you know but i'm i'm
00:16:35.780 you know, doing this and blah, blah, blah. Um, but the point, it was very clear what his point
00:16:39.680 was. His point was, um, not that this is transgenderism, right? Because everybody
00:16:43.840 already agrees on that. He's trying to push the ball down the field. He's going for, you know,
00:16:47.800 to chop off the head of the snake. He's saying, Hey, I'm not just satisfied with saying, uh, 0.73
00:16:52.440 let's not trans kids. Um, I, I want to get, uh, the mothership where trans and kids comes from,
00:16:58.120 AKA feminism and, uh, and not just third way feminism, not just, but all the way down. That's,
00:17:03.600 that's the the issue i'm coming for that the idol and my point is that um he it was so clear that
00:17:10.700 all he was saying is um to to make a radical change to your body um just so that you can play
00:17:18.240 sports uh in your young adult years uh as a woman is a foreign concept we would have no until 15
00:17:28.120 minutes ago that that would have been incredibly strange and here's the deal whether whether the
00:17:34.360 picture should have been there whether he could have worded it a different way or whatever um
00:17:38.080 the fact that that that tweet got like a million views that's that's when you know there's so
00:17:43.580 because if it's just you worded it wrong fine you worded it wrong that that'll get you if that's all
00:17:49.720 it really was that'll get you you know like four retweets you know and seven comments you know and
00:17:55.460 a couple unfollows right if it's just wrong wording um but that's not what happened we're
00:18:00.600 talking a million plus views uh you're talking thousands of comments uh you know hundreds of
00:18:06.820 retweets dunking on eric left and right you know all these kind of things same thing happened with
00:18:11.780 my sermon clip uh to where it's it's very very clear that it's not just uh miswording and it's
00:18:17.740 not just um the tone it's not just the tone no there's actually and that's not to say that my
00:18:23.260 tone is perfect or eric's tone is perfect but the point is um there's a real idol that guys like
00:18:29.700 eric guys like you guys like me are going for and that's where the vitriol comes from is it's it's
00:18:36.040 everybody coming to protect the idol we don't don't touch that i think and the thing that the
00:18:41.600 thing i've noticed joel over all the issues that get this kind of treatment and there's another
00:18:46.360 one like that's unrelated to a specific person like abortion abolitionism gets this treatment
00:18:51.620 as well and what i've noticed across the board is that it's really things that directly like you
00:18:59.340 just said challenges the root something that could actually you know move the ball forward right
00:19:06.420 because as long as you're playing by the unbelievers like weird worldview that is you're
00:19:11.500 gonna you're gonna lose the debate every time you may nibble around the edges here and there but
00:19:15.600 you're never going to really move the ball forward you know nobody like like like being 0.93
00:19:21.040 against the transgender uh movement that's like the that's like that's good you should be against 0.85
00:19:26.920 it that's very good but that's not the root of of of this demonic influence in our culture that 0.52
00:19:33.260 came from somewhere else there's there's something further and i think like like a you know abortion
00:19:39.760 abolition is like this patriarchy with teeth you know we actually do have authority it's
00:19:45.040 the abortion abolition just for the record it's that is the same thing it's feminism right i've 0.81
00:19:49.740 said it before um the most succinct way i can say it is this a culture can either worship women or
00:19:54.860 save babies but you can't do both yep you can worship women or save babies but you can't do
00:19:59.700 both so why does the abolition uh topic why why does that get the same kind of vitriol that i
00:20:04.840 would get you know saying hey a husband actually has practical authority in his home or eric saying
00:20:09.140 hey, maybe we shouldn't idolize women's sports, you know, to the point where we're actually 1.00
00:20:15.700 taking, you know, scissors and scalpels to a woman's body to change her physique during her
00:20:20.620 best childbearing years. Those are not crazy things. So my thing's not a crazy thing. Eric's 0.65
00:20:26.060 thing's not a crazy thing. The abolition thing is not a crazy thing. But this is how abolition
00:20:29.340 ties into the same root of feminism. Because the abolitionists, unlike the pro-life, you know, 1.00
00:20:34.280 industry complex. The abolitionist is saying equal protections for the unborn child, meaning
00:20:41.000 equal protections. If we're going to say that this baby in the womb has the same dignity and value
00:20:46.040 as somebody outside of the womb, their life is equal and it's worthy of equal protections. And
00:20:50.700 that means equal penalties. So the same thing that would happen with a homicide for, you know,
00:20:55.600 if a mother killed her five-year-old child, took them to a hit hit man and paid the hit man to,
00:21:01.160 you know, to shoot them in a back alley, that same penalty for the mother and the hitman,
00:21:05.740 that should be the same penalty in the case of an unborn child in the case of abortion. 0.99
00:21:09.680 So what did you just get at? What you said is that women aren't victims. Women actually sin 1.00
00:21:15.540 and women, when they actually sin, should receive an actual consequence, the same consequence that 1.00
00:21:21.160 anybody else would receive. And what does that hit at? What idol does that get at? It's the 0.77
00:21:25.680 same thing with Eric. It's the same thing with it's feminism. Yeah, that's right. So abolitionists 1.00
00:21:31.000 aren't trying to end abortion while at the same time you know holding women in this position of
00:21:36.140 of of uh like ultimate you know value they're not worshiping it's not yeah and it's the same
00:21:42.460 thing with eric's thing you know they're not trying to be um against transgenderism whilst
00:21:48.380 also you know worshiping women same thing with your thing we're not trying to be a patriarchy
00:21:52.620 guy or a complementarian while at the same time worshiping women right no like i'm a patriarchy
00:21:57.500 guy and and the bible says that you know i'm responsible for you know my wife's you know
00:22:04.340 spiritual development doesn't mean she's irresponsible it just means that you know
00:22:08.500 if god were to come into our household and say well you know why has she gone off the rails it's
00:22:12.820 he's gonna be talking to you about that that's your that's your responsibility and so it's like
00:22:17.260 a lot of these people they would kind of agree with patriarchy to a certain extent just so long
00:22:22.620 as it doesn't have any teeth as long as it doesn't challenge the idols of feminism and the thing is 0.53
00:22:27.260 feminism is is pretty foundational i'm not going to say it's the ultimate problem that we have here 1.00
00:22:32.820 but it is pretty foundational and why wouldn't it be i mean that's what genesis kind of puts it 0.99
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00:25:47.140 and support Christians serving Christians. But I really do think also that that any person that
00:25:54.420 has a strategy that is actually like a threat is is actually capable of producing some kind of
00:26:03.780 action some kind of victory i think they're also going to be under attack as well and i'm going to
00:26:08.480 go back to something that you did as well and you're not the only one but but your your book
00:26:13.560 about you know fleeing uh you know as a strategic yeah fight by flight right so that got another
00:26:22.440 unreasonable amount of pushback i mean this this idea shocking yeah it does it sounds a little
00:26:28.040 weird but it's really not that big of a deal for you to get you know people to say this is the
00:26:34.320 doctrine of demons that that's that's an insane amount of rhetoric and and i don't know i i haven't
00:26:41.440 talked to andy about that but you know and i don't know if he regrets it probably not but like that's
00:26:46.580 that's that that is uh such a uh disproportionate reaction to what this book is i think you would
00:26:53.540 agree with that i mean i'm not saying your book's not important but the doctrine of demons i mean
00:26:57.740 Are we insane here?
00:26:59.220 Well, I'm not that important.
00:27:00.680 Exactly.
00:27:01.100 I think it's a good message.
00:27:02.180 I think it's something that's worth reading, but I'm not that important.
00:27:04.800 You're talking about a dude.
00:27:05.720 But here's the thing.
00:27:06.660 Go ahead.
00:27:07.140 Go ahead.
00:27:07.460 Go ahead.
00:27:07.760 Go ahead.
00:27:08.080 Well, I was just going to say, I agree with you 100% that what was shocking to me was,
00:27:13.200 it's not like there's no pushback that can be had.
00:27:16.180 Certainly there's pushback that can be made.
00:27:17.780 Of course there is.
00:27:18.620 Well, wait a second.
00:27:19.900 God calls people to go into dark places to do this and do that, which if you actually
00:27:24.300 read the book, I have all those caveats, all those disclaimers.
00:27:26.620 of course missionary is a legitimate category but that being aside there is pushback if you
00:27:31.340 hadn't read the book you're just looking at the cover you heard me on steve days you know and i'm
00:27:34.840 talking with steve as a political pundit so he had me to come on to talk about the political
00:27:39.200 element of my book that's not the whole book it's actually a sliver of the book so if you just watch
00:27:43.800 that interview with steve days and you hear here's this guy and he's not talking a whole lot about
00:27:47.620 evangelism he's talking more about elections you know and then you just look at the cover of the
00:27:51.880 book and you know leaving godless places is loving godless places and you say man i don't know about
00:27:57.120 that i think that there's uh some real problems with it that is that totally makes sense right
00:28:02.080 but for the rhetoric to be a doctrine of demons in in your sunday sermon from the pulpit and not
00:28:07.900 just one guy to pick on andy because i've heard that he's a decent guy so i you know i i'm not
00:28:11.960 yeah i think he's a good guy yeah so yeah so he just you know that one hit hit home for him because
00:28:16.900 he's in manhattan you know if everybody got my book and listens to me he doesn't have a church
00:28:20.820 so i understand why personally he wouldn't be a huge fan of what i'm saying but but it's not just
00:28:25.820 him is my point all these guys started piling on and again it's it's um you can do a review of the
00:28:33.160 book and push back there are holes there are problems i'm not omniscient there are problems
00:28:37.480 um but but that's not what we're seeing we're not seeing thoughtful pushback we're seeing uh wolf
00:28:43.320 like is a phrase that somebody gave to me um doctrine of demons we've already covered that
00:28:48.740 It was a very, it was a very emotional reaction, Joel. It was an emotional reaction from some of
00:28:55.660 these guys. And I think one of the, one of the things that, and there's, there's another issue
00:29:00.580 that I can mention really briefly in a minute. That's similar where there's another kind of
00:29:03.820 emotional reaction. But the thing is, these are things that anybody can do. Like someone right
00:29:10.240 now can make this move and be part of a movement that has, you know, you could see the steps for
00:29:16.660 how this works right you could see the next step and the next step and and if you know if enough
00:29:21.140 people come to moscow or or to come to uh hutto is that where you live is that where your church is
00:29:25.880 georgetown yeah georgetown georgetown right that's right georgetown enough people come to georgetown
00:29:30.640 you can see the logic of how these steps work and even moscow has a nice example of this and
00:29:36.340 they've got something going on in florida as well with the founders guys and like you can see the
00:29:40.940 logic of this and people can make this move right now right and that removes if that works that
00:29:48.020 removes your excuse to lose right it removes your excuse to do nothing or to do very little
00:29:55.160 or to just theologize all day and not actually make some moves and make some sacrifices you
00:30:00.540 know what i mean that removes your excuse and so i think anything like that that removes your
00:30:06.100 excuse is attacked in in like an overboard kind of a way again you're not perfect and your your
00:30:13.220 your book is not perfect and you know there's pushback and there's a lot of logical arguments
00:30:17.580 people can make against you but we're not talking about that we're talking about like an emotional
00:30:21.040 visceral sort of attack right you are potentially even a wolf because of this there's another issue
00:30:26.740 joel just to take it away from you personally we've got a similar kind of yeah yeah yeah speaking
00:30:32.940 of wolves you know there was a throwaway line in in steven wolf's book uh about about basically
00:30:39.140 lifting weights and getting jacked right it's like it's a very brief line but that got a lot
00:30:43.520 of attention and and and i think it's similar because it's the kind of thing that like you
00:30:49.140 know christians should be healthy they should be fit they should be strong and we can do this like 0.61
00:30:54.320 let's let the pagans be flabby let's let them you know eat whatever they want to eat and be sickly
00:30:59.660 and all that stuff and it was just a quick line it was like a few pet a few sentences right that 0.67
00:31:04.200 got a lot of attention i think it's a similar thing because that's something that any man can
00:31:08.580 do today they could start today to discipline their uh eating habits and their bodies and it's
00:31:14.160 like that gets attached because i think this honestly this is what i think it removes your
00:31:17.920 excuses because this is something you can do today and if so if a man can get disciplined in that
00:31:22.080 what else can he get disciplined in i think that's the fear i think that's the fear because
00:31:26.600 if someone starts making moves and seeing results and and living in faith in that way and say i'm
00:31:31.120 going to honor god in my body um and i'm going to take care of my family and by honoring god in my
00:31:35.240 body what what what crazy ideas are they going to think of next right you know what i mean i think
00:31:40.960 that anything that removes the excuse to lose down here gets viciously attacked uh unreasonably
00:31:47.980 attacked that's what i think i think you're absolutely right uh one of my favorite tweets
00:31:51.480 that i've seen in the last month uh was this man he didn't get a lot of attention it was a comment
00:31:55.900 it was like buried down on one of the controversies on you know uh with i don't know one of my sermons
00:32:00.740 or something like that um but it was really really really funny uh the guy said and if i knew his
00:32:06.040 name i'd give him a shout out but i can't remember it off the top of my head but he said the guys
00:32:09.380 who believe we lose down here are working really hard to win down here to ensure that we lose down
00:32:13.820 here you know that's good it's like the guys we lose out here are giving us everything they got
00:32:21.780 to win down here to make sure that we actually lose down here and that's right and but yeah i
00:32:26.200 think you're absolutely right that um some of these things you know what one other thing with
00:32:31.200 the new calvinism as we were talking about earlier you said you know something you know uh right
00:32:35.380 doctrine was a big emphasis we'll just have the right doctrine you don't necessarily have to have
00:32:38.720 the right works but just the right doctrine um i think another thing that i noticed within you know
00:32:43.800 the new calvinism i'm thinking keller i'm thinking um soma you know i was a part of acts 29 someone
00:32:49.760 was like a subset of acts 29 it was all about you know intimate small groups with people for
00:32:54.960 the purpose of accountability and gospeling one another and confession these kind of things
00:32:59.020 um and there was some good stuff there i don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water
00:33:02.560 there really was some good stuff there but here's the deal um there's a difference biblically between
00:33:07.940 confession and repentance there's a difference between confession and repentance and so what i
00:33:12.960 notice is is two big emphases one would be uh doctrinal correctness so we've already covered
00:33:18.520 that you were right about that the only one i would add to that is um acute self-awareness
00:33:24.420 and um and a massive vulnerability and willingness to share with others that self-awareness so it's
00:33:32.660 like uh we're gonna we're gonna talk about two things we're gonna get together with one another
00:33:36.100 on a regular basis and we're gonna talk about two things we're gonna talk about unconditional
00:33:41.440 election and limited atonement and uh we're going to confess our sins and the sin under the sin and
00:33:48.060 the sin under the sin that's under the sin and the sin that's under the sin that's under the sin
00:33:51.900 that's under the sin um and we're going to talk about you know how that really picked up because
00:33:56.920 i was five years old and i first thought this and i you know blah blah blah blah blah um and all 0.68
00:34:02.260 those things some of it is unhealthy introspection that again the puritans uh would have despised
00:34:07.500 the puritans some of them were you know they were naval gazers at times but the best of the puritans
00:34:12.520 would say look up and look out stop looking at your belly button stop with the introspection
00:34:17.060 look up look out see christ see him crucified and do something go and do something and so my point
00:34:23.120 is um you might be right with your confession you might be right about that sin and you might be
00:34:28.160 right about the sin under the sin it is a biblical true principle that all sin is rooted in unbelief
00:34:33.720 i think that that is true and we could hold that up against scripture and it would it would prove
00:34:38.320 true but there's a difference in confessing sin confessing the roots of sin confessing your
00:34:42.980 unbelief, which is the source of all sin, and actually making a change. Repentance means
00:34:48.580 changing. And what I remember when I was kind of in that world as a pastor in Acts 29, doing the
00:34:55.140 DNA groups or gospel groups or these kinds of things, that's what we would have called them,
00:34:59.640 829 guys had them, SOMA guys had them. I remember that there was a lot of really
00:35:05.020 um a good doctrinal language being utilized in deep vulnerable uh introspective self-aware
00:35:13.980 confession and the next week we do it about the same thing and the same thing and the same thing
00:35:19.320 and the same thing and i don't remember um i don't remember many of us changing very much
00:35:24.780 like like a year and a half later we're still confessing the same thing you know and and maybe
00:35:30.660 we're confessing it with even better language like if we were writing a book you know like
00:35:35.200 augustine's confessions uh we could have done great you know but but um but if we were actually
00:35:40.500 confessing sin not just for the purpose of confessing but as a means to an end namely
00:35:45.140 repentance to mortify that sin to put it to death and do something different uh then in that sense
00:35:51.640 i think many of us failed because again now we're into the realm of application we're into the realm
00:35:57.240 of doing. And all you were really allowed to do is somebody's giving this, you know, super
00:36:01.340 introspective, you know, vulnerable confession. All you're really allowed to do is agree with
00:36:05.820 them. The thing that you weren't allowed to do was actually suggest practical, you were allowed
00:36:11.620 to gospel them. This is how, so you're confessing this, this is what you believe. And this is,
00:36:15.960 you know, the four G's. Well, you believe this, but God is good and great and glorious and
00:36:20.060 gracious. And those things still preach, they still ring true. But what you couldn't do with
00:36:24.420 that person who's confessing that they're depressed for, for the 87th time, what you
00:36:29.320 couldn't do is say, Hey dude, um, you should work out and you should go to bed on time and stop
00:36:34.260 drinking so much. You couldn't, you couldn't do that. And some of the most profound biblical
00:36:38.880 counsel and I didn't, and I, I, I misserved some of the people that I was appointed as a shepherd
00:36:45.440 to lead by not giving this little piece of biblical counsel. It's now, it's now a regular
00:36:50.060 piece of biblical counsel that i give i give it in love um i give it with some disclaimers i give
00:36:55.020 it gently all those kinds of things but here it is um somebody will be confessing a sin to me as
00:36:59.940 a pastor and the biblical counsel i'll give them is stop it stop it it's powerful profound deeply
00:37:08.700 rich god honoring biblical counsel stop it go and sin no more jesus gave that biblical counsel a lot
00:37:15.740 it's fantastic it stood the test of time 2 000 years later it's still just as relevant hey i
00:37:20.840 keep looking at porn stop it in the name of jesus stop it god is good and glorious stop it you're
00:37:28.020 not an animal stop it like that we can say that we and we should say that and i think that was
00:37:34.260 one of the things that i feel like was missing in my ministry and my my little observance of
00:37:41.620 the new calvinist movement for the time it's it's it's not if this is not rocket science i mean i
00:37:46.860 even i even pulled it up just now as you're talking this is paul anyone who's been stealing
00:37:52.100 must not steal anymore that's it that's it but instead do work and do something useful so you
00:37:59.340 have something to share with other people like this is not rocket science right you know just
00:38:04.300 don't do it anymore that's what that's what you need to do you know and and look paul's the gospel
00:38:08.920 guy faith apart from works and in the same book where he's talking about this look if the guys
00:38:15.480 that used to steal don't do that anymore jesus said the same thing and this is the exact same
00:38:20.980 kind of thing that jesus would do and by the way this is something that that i've had that
00:38:26.240 experience in those kind of like small groups as well so that that rings totally true for me i mean
00:38:30.440 that's been my experience also but but this is that's not necessarily something that they might
00:38:35.900 teach explicitly but they will in certain contexts and i think we saw that recently i don't know if 0.97
00:38:41.080 you read the little jd greer letter about why we shouldn't kick out all these black churches that
00:38:46.680 have female pastors and it basically amounts to this it's like well we have all the same theology 0.52
00:38:52.760 so what's the difference if the practice is is good or not they teach this this is what this
00:38:57.000 is the whole woke movement as well it's like we share so much we have the same theology if they
00:39:02.120 have women of course it makes no sense okay but this is my point though because because what they
00:39:08.580 do is they they limit the core theologies to like a handful right a handful of things and if we agree
00:39:15.020 on that then what's the difference about the practice this is the whole point of the woke
00:39:19.140 church movement it's like look we agree on the gospel we have a gospel centered and so you know
00:39:24.280 who cares if they're like pro-abortion they want to kill babies or they want to make it legal to
00:39:28.180 kill babies that shouldn't really matter because of things of first importance look it's an important
00:39:33.260 issue too but the things of first importance we agree on this is this is explicit in a lot of 0.98
00:39:39.140 circles where if we have this kind of agreement on theology and i think this is explicit even in
00:39:44.180 conservative circles as well because we you know we don't have this exactly right either where if
00:39:49.060 we agree on like core doctrines and stuff like that like some of the practice is just kind of
00:39:53.200 like, eh. And if you get too deep into it, maybe you're a legalist. You're right. Yeah. It's funny.
00:40:01.780 I've actually heard, I want to see if you've heard this one too, but I've heard a few guys
00:40:06.100 starting to call me saying that this is the Young Reformed and Restless reboot 2.0. It's just the
00:40:14.500 Young Reformed and Restless, right? It's just Driscoll and Chandler and those kinds of guys
00:40:17.520 um round two okay and it's it's funny first i'll just pause have you gotten that have you had
00:40:25.020 anybody give you that give you that one yet no i i saw that you had a video titled that but i did
00:40:31.700 not watch that video yet okay no i haven't heard that so i've gotten that one and you know and i
00:40:35.780 was trying to i was trying to think through that what what are maybe some of the similarities what
00:40:39.520 are the distinctions you know blah blah blah um but it's it's funny because it's like well you're
00:40:45.620 just you know you're just the young reformed and restless 2.0 um but then the other thing that i
00:40:51.180 get so i'll get that one now that's a new one um doctrine of demons wolf like you know those ones
00:40:57.160 didn't go over well so you know so we're trying some new stuff now trying out some new material
00:41:01.240 i appreciate it keeps me keeps me fresh on my toes but the you know the you know the young
00:41:06.060 reformed and restless 2.0 i'm thinking about that and i'm thinking all right i'm getting this on the
00:41:10.620 one hand, but on the other hand, at the exact same time, I keep being called, going back to your
00:41:17.340 point just a second ago, a legalist. I don't remember a bunch of guys saying that the young
00:41:24.660 reformed and restless of 20 years ago were legalists. I don't remember a bunch of guys saying
00:41:29.300 that, you know, the problem with Driscoll is that he's a legalist. I remember when I think of
00:41:38.500 driscoll and and the kind of you know uh criticism that he was getting some of it wrong some of it
00:41:45.100 good right uh but the criticism was he's uh he's preaching from a high top table instead of a
00:41:51.400 pulpit he's wearing a hoodie and he has uh he's making a second commandment violation with his
00:41:56.400 t-shirt a picture of jesus with some turntables saying that jesus is my homeboy and he's you know
00:42:01.960 cursing from the pulpit which to be fair to him that was early early on and he you know he he
00:42:06.020 stop doing that um but then it's a rock band concert you know and blah blah so my point is
00:42:10.300 this most of the pushback from the the type of guy that i'm describing the type of you know pretty
00:42:16.920 conservative evangelical guys who are big on macarthur guys are you know in that world those
00:42:22.040 kind of guys the pushback that they were given to young reformed restless guys like mark driscoll
00:42:26.980 was not hey you know the problem we have with driscoll and chandler is they're just too
00:42:30.760 legalistic these guys just they're too meticulous for the law of god you know what i mean they're
00:42:35.240 just they're too there's too much insistence on obedience to the commands of christ that like
00:42:41.160 no dude they that they were never giving that criticism and then they're gonna say well you're
00:42:47.080 just the young reformed and restless 2.0 and in the very same breath um the problem is you're
00:42:52.140 legalistic right it's not young reformed and restless 2.0 we're sabbatarian we're confessional
00:42:57.820 we're patriarchal um like that i i hold to a a stricter observance of the regular principle
00:43:04.780 of worship uh than john mccarthur does on sunday morning we've got no instruments it's acapella
00:43:09.900 it's hymns and psalms exclusively we've got a robust liturgy there's you know what i mean so
00:43:14.580 so they can't do that it's insane they can't do that you know we're cessationists right driscoll
00:43:19.600 was a continuationist he i mean he was setting up his little bookstore in the parking lot
00:43:23.160 not a good move you know at mccarthur's conference strange fire trying to sell books about you know
00:43:27.700 prophecy in tongues uh that's that's so so you can you can say i don't like this new crew that's
00:43:33.180 fine that's fine um but you can't say you know what i don't like about this new crew it's the
00:43:37.440 same as the old crew you know uh eric khan and joel webin are just like driscoll no way let me
00:43:44.000 just cut you off real quick because i think you kind of you kind of hitting on something here
00:43:48.100 because what is com what what do what do we have in common with some of those guys and what they
00:43:53.100 were up to right because it's nothing it's nothing like what you all you're saying these are these
00:43:58.120 are huge differences we're singing psalms we're catechizing our children we're you know we're
00:44:03.120 telling you you can't go to public school because that you know you're going to send your kids to
00:44:06.700 demons like the young wrestlers in the form we're not doing these things right what were they doing
00:44:11.580 i think i i i gotta think about this a little more because this is again this is when i grew
00:44:16.200 up in the faith so this i i didn't really think about it was just what i grew up in right but
00:44:21.000 they were making moves you know they did have sort of a a a a a swagger about them that you
00:44:30.120 know we could win this to christ we actually could win we could actually make moves we could
00:44:34.780 actually grow we could actually spread the gospel we can do really well here right on earth and
00:44:40.320 maybe we're not going to win ultimately but we can actually spread the gospel far and wide to
00:44:44.720 every area of the land like there was a positivity there was like an energy and i think that's kind
00:44:50.480 of what they're probably uh saying is the same about us like we actually think we can make moves
00:44:55.980 here we can make we can have victories like like maybe god actually is gonna provide for his saints
00:45:01.520 like it's almost like you if you're not like a negative nancy if you're not just gonna be 0.59
00:45:08.920 like complain this is the thing they'll complain the whole way but you know they're gonna lay down 0.82
00:45:14.020 eventually they're just gonna get used and abused they'll complain and say it's wrong but they're
00:45:18.300 not expecting to win they're not trying to win if you're not doing that you're maybe you're just
00:45:22.420 not faithful yeah man that's why that's why you're on the show because i think we do we do share that
00:45:27.980 in common make that connection but you're right that because i was thinking what is the similarity
00:45:31.600 and one one thing that i thought of is well they probably think the rhetoric they probably think
00:45:35.720 that driscoll was was uh loose in his speech and they probably would attribute that to someone like
00:45:42.040 you someone like me someone like con someone like brian suve uh whereas i actually don't think we're
00:45:46.900 i i'm very intentional about the things that i said when i watched that clip of myself that i
00:45:52.220 hadn't seen in a while when andy you know went went through the the vault and found it or somebody
00:45:56.680 found it gave it to him whatever however it happened when that resurfaced i watched it and
00:46:00.720 my first gut feeling when i saw him posted i was like this is going to go viral i know it is i
00:46:04.900 don't want it to because i've got other plans i really don't want to spend this is not what the
00:46:09.360 fight this is not how i want to spend my next three days and i knew that that's what it was
00:46:13.140 going to be. And I was like, I haven't, you know, I haven't, this was from a sermon that was like
00:46:17.120 three or four or five months ago, almost half a year ago. And I was like, so I, you know, I can't
00:46:21.360 even really remember exactly what I said. Oh boy, I better watch it. And I watched it. And I remember
00:46:26.400 feeling this immense relief. I watched it. And when the clip finished, I was like, man, that was
00:46:31.100 good preaching. That was good. I was like, that was awesome. That was biblical. I can defend that
00:46:37.220 till the cows come home i can stand before christ and say um jesus i i i preach that with a clear
00:46:43.900 conscience um and and you know what i mean and so my point is i think they would say the rhetoric
00:46:48.360 is the same we're loose and i don't think we actually are but they would say oh you're you're
00:46:51.640 loose with your speech it's combative it's it's abrasive that kind of thing um but then the other
00:46:57.520 and i thought of that connection because everything else everything i listed earlier
00:47:00.300 sabbatarianism covenant theology right most of the uh the new calvinism guys young reformed rest
00:47:05.360 they were all baptist with this new movement whatever this is i don't know what to call it
00:47:09.220 um but i'm the odd man out being a baptist the vast majority of our presbyterian you know so
00:47:14.600 it's it's like it went from baptist and and more dispensational to covenantal and presbyterian it
00:47:20.260 went from uh non-sabbatarian to sabbatarian it went from normative principle worship with with
00:47:26.460 laser lights and and and garage band you know kind of concerts to strict you know four-part harmonies
00:47:32.440 and stuff like that, that, you know, like the guys in Utah are doing, which is awesome. So at
00:47:36.480 every level from non-confessional to confessional, um, at every level it is doctrinally, um, there's,
00:47:43.060 there's, there's very little similarity, very little similarity. The only two similarities
00:47:47.780 I can think of the only one, I only had one was the rhetoric. Maybe they think that we're both
00:47:52.480 abrasive in our tone, but man, this is why you get 80 Robles on your podcast. Cause I did not think
00:47:59.980 of what you said that maybe the second similarity is that both had a general
00:48:05.740 disposition of hope maybe both were hopeful thought we could actually change things maybe
00:48:13.560 we could change the world i think you're on they're making moves they're they're making
00:48:17.520 things happen there's an energy there's an infectious energy i mean i remember watching
00:48:22.160 driscoll um and again i grew up with with him being good like i didn't know the the younger
00:48:27.300 driscoll when he was doing all this stuff uh and cursing whatever i heard about it but i never saw
00:48:31.640 it um but there's just an energy there you know what i mean and it's attractive because you you
00:48:36.740 get the impression that you know he really actually believes in christ and believes christ
00:48:41.880 is awesome and wants to tell other people about this awesome god that he he serves like
00:48:47.020 that's good that's a good thing and and and it's not just guys like driscoll that have that there
00:48:52.360 are a lot of very kind of like more traditional you know pastors that have a liturgy and you know
00:48:58.100 all this kind of stuff right that are really truly like actually reformed and they they subscribe to
00:49:02.740 the confession but they have that too when i listen to joel beakey preach i'm like dude that guy
00:49:06.200 he knows jesus better than yeah like joel beakey's the real that's exactly what i'm talking about
00:49:11.000 go ahead no no but this is the thing so like i i think though that that that look put it this way
00:49:18.920 if moscow idaho you know uh turns to the lord you know what i mean and that becomes a christian
00:49:24.940 city which i think it will if that happens that removes the excuse for so many people that all
00:49:33.200 they do is whine and complain about how everything's going to hell in a handbasket they need it
00:49:37.560 to fail moscow's they need they need it to fail you're right they need it to fail and that's why 0.82
00:49:42.360 there's a hundred blogs dedicated to making it fail that's why there's so much hate that goes 0.99
00:49:47.600 their way for the smallest infraction it doesn't matter how stupid it is they will blow it up out 0.85
00:49:54.100 of proportion and talk about how troubling and concerning it is and again even our friends i'm 0.99
00:49:58.960 talking even our conservative friends will do this right because they have to have it fail
00:50:03.460 because that would mean that now i got to make some moves right he did it he set out to do it
00:50:09.000 and he did it right and i'm saying he i mean like the group right yeah they wanted to make this win
00:50:14.080 this town for christ they want it for christ what's my excuse and the truth is you don't have
00:50:18.800 an excuse right now that's just a a comforting lie that you tell yourself um and so that's the
00:50:25.380 thing man any kind of action that leads to someone's excuse being removed i think gets
00:50:31.100 viciously attacked and um but honestly joel i mean i know that you have this attitude too
00:50:36.520 because i've talked to you a few times before but i think when these attacks come man like
00:50:40.940 you know that you are so blessed god is smiling upon you when these things happen when someone
00:50:47.820 lies about you and tries to ruin your reputation like this is this is like the clearest way
00:50:55.620 you know just kind of here on our day-to-day activities on earth that you can know that
00:50:59.780 you're you're you're being blessed by god because you're you're getting lied about on his account
00:51:04.080 which is great amen yeah to the point where you know i'm grateful to the lord uh that you know
00:51:10.580 And I've actually had to tell some people, no, no, no, no.
00:51:12.820 Like, I'm grateful to the Lord.
00:51:13.940 He is exalting me, and he's very kind to do so.
00:51:16.400 I'm gracious.
00:51:16.860 I don't deserve it.
00:51:18.140 But some people have been like, man, the Lord is exalting you.
00:51:20.780 Like, you're at, like, Doug Wilson's status of vitreon.
00:51:25.040 I was like, no, that's an honor that maybe over the course of 40 years I might have earned.
00:51:29.820 Maybe one day, Joel.
00:51:30.900 One day.
00:51:31.340 But I'm, no, no, no, no, no.
00:51:32.600 I have to remind people.
00:51:33.700 It's like, okay, yeah.
00:51:34.440 So for the last three months, people have hated me.
00:51:37.320 You need to get called by the FBI a handful of times before you get to his level.
00:51:41.240 That's right.
00:51:41.660 That's right.
00:51:42.140 So, yeah, no, he earned it.
00:51:43.600 And, you know, he's the reigning champion.
00:51:46.920 And I'm not ready to challenge that.
00:51:49.060 But all that being said, you're right.
00:51:50.300 It's a grace from the Lord.
00:51:51.280 We should celebrate.
00:51:52.920 I remember, you know, with a clip about biblical patriarchy.
00:51:57.300 And, you know, it was funny because it was like the whole thing that I was trying to do is talk about tyranny in terms of governmental authority and God's, you know, the three spheres, you know, the state, the church, and the home.
00:52:06.880 And I was like, at the civil level, you've got authority over a ton of people, but it's just a little bit of authority.
00:52:11.540 In the church level, you've got authority over some people, and it's a little bit more authority.
00:52:16.080 And then as a father, husband, father, you know, as familial fathers in the home, you've got a ton of authority, but over a very small group of people.
00:52:24.700 And I said, but, you know, in this instance, I've got four children.
00:52:28.540 I've got authority over what they eat, right, their diet, what they're going to wear, all these kinds of things.
00:52:33.480 Their bedtime, I'm telling them what time to go to bed.
00:52:35.400 and i said um i i tell him what time to go to the bathroom now my kids are five three two and one
00:52:41.520 right so when i said i tell him what time to go to the bathroom i'm not telling him oh you got a
00:52:45.540 4 p.m potty uh break and you've got it you know in a 9 a.m and nobody in their right mind thinks
00:52:51.440 that but literally i kid you not 500 000 people who are not in their right mind did think that
00:52:57.240 they literally thought he is he's telling his children that they can't go to the potty for
00:53:01.560 the next seven hours and i bet he's got a 16 year old kid like that was their immediate
00:53:06.160 interpretation he's got teenagers and he's telling them to hold it for seven hours and and again my
00:53:12.200 point is just to say that that's um that just shows you this isn't reasonable discourse this
00:53:17.300 isn't uh genuine concerns for truth this is um this is people taking the least charitable default
00:53:25.020 interpretation and it's not you can say it's because of my tone it's not um it's because i'm
00:53:29.820 getting into a real substance of male headship not just in theory but a real substance of male
00:53:37.460 headship and you hate it so anyways i brought that up just to say when that went viral i remember
00:53:42.720 telling my wife showing her the clip uh because her mom reached out to her and was like oh my 0.99
00:53:47.260 goodness there's this you know this major controversy and my wife god bless her she's 0.97
00:53:50.720 grown so much this was not her natural disposition but she's grown over the years being married to me
00:53:55.280 and then, of course, growing in more Christ-likeness and sanctification.
00:53:59.520 And so she was able to laugh and tell her mom,
00:54:01.680 Mom, it's totally fine. This is normal.
00:54:05.100 And she's able to laugh it off. 0.61
00:54:07.720 She's able to lead her own mom and her parents in that,
00:54:10.660 and it becomes like this discipleship opportunity.
00:54:13.620 And then our Sabbath dinner, we have a Sunday Sabbath dinner as a church,
00:54:17.300 but then we have a Saturday night Sabbath dinner as a family.
00:54:20.620 And for that Sabbath dinner, we had a family in the church come over.
00:54:23.760 We tried to invite somebody.
00:54:25.280 And, you know, and we got to toast to Andy Woodard, you know, the founder of the feast and, and just thank the Lord that God and his providence would use him to exalt me and my humble, you know, podunk little rink-a-dink as, as Fred would say, rink-a-dink ministry with right response that, you know what I mean? 0.97
00:54:42.240 And it's just, and it's a blessing that guys are saying, you know, rink-a-dink, you know, just, just piece of crap churches in, in rural places and doctrine of demons and wolf-like. 0.93
00:54:52.560 i mean we're talking vicious i'll just be honest these are vicious people they've shown their 0.97
00:54:58.560 colors they are vicious people brothers in christ yes but they are behaving in a vicious way and um
00:55:07.120 that is what it is i think we should call it what it is and it is a blessing it's an honor that we
00:55:11.840 don't deserve and the bible commands us getting back to application um it's not just a heart
00:55:16.960 posture the bible gives us something to do uh the bible commands us that in these kinds of moments
00:55:22.460 that we would count it all joy.
00:55:25.960 And that looks like something.
00:55:27.420 That means doing something.
00:55:28.580 And in our case, for the Webbin household,
00:55:30.540 it meant buying an extra bottle of wine,
00:55:33.040 making an extra fancy dinner,
00:55:35.120 inviting some close friends over,
00:55:37.180 and ushering in the Sabbath day, the Christian Sabbath,
00:55:41.140 toasting to the Lord Jesus Christ
00:55:42.880 and also Andy Woodward as a founder of the feast.
00:55:46.240 And that's the game plan.
00:55:47.880 That's the way we've got to go forward, and it's fun.
00:55:51.080 it's it's fun it's fun so that's right any final man man no i i'm so glad i'm so glad you uh wanted
00:55:59.780 to do this you didn't tell me what we're going to talk about before we did uh i'm glad that you
00:56:04.200 liked that video i i think i'm onto something there i need to think that through a little bit
00:56:08.300 more but but yeah there's there's got to be something to it and i think that's a common
00:56:12.820 denominator we we definitely need to be people of action you know what i mean we need to be doing
00:56:18.420 the right thing not just believing the right things because the bible is so clear that that
00:56:24.960 is what we have to do here and so we need to be able to make these applications and and we need
00:56:30.340 to live like free men so that if we you say the application in not quite the right way that we're
00:56:36.660 not scared to death of what that might mean right because we're covered we obviously do not seek to
00:56:41.940 sin but we know that we're covered if we make a mistake we post a picture we weren't supposed to
00:56:47.620 post and everyone gets all uppity and all that this is bottom line this is the way forward and
00:56:54.760 i think that you know for now a lot of people that have solutions that have like tangible things
00:56:59.480 people can do they don't have the biggest platforms right now the people that have the big platforms
00:57:04.180 are the whiners the ones that complain a lot and they and they just everything's going to hell in
00:57:08.340 a handbasket and i i can tell you exactly all the uh the philosophical reasons why this is happening
00:57:14.120 those people have big platforms i think people like their victimhood right but but over time
00:57:20.700 guys with solutions guys that are actually making moves guys that are doing things
00:57:25.060 their family their tribe their communities will thrive and they they will be the people leading
00:57:31.160 us into the future and you know i'm just praying to god that he increases their number faster
00:57:36.340 because obviously it's never going to be fast enough for me but he's got his timing and that's
00:57:40.740 good enough for me so god bless you joel and i didn't intend this to turn into a thing like
00:57:46.000 defending you but i'm glad it did because i i love i love what you're doing man and i think that all
00:57:51.280 of the trouble you've been getting into is is wonderful um it's good amen man this is good
00:57:55.960 stuff amen yeah ad i appreciate your friendship appreciate you coming on i just have one one more
00:58:00.460 little thought as you were talking that i you know i think what you're saying the complaining
00:58:04.580 you know versus the we can win um i've noticed that that right now on you know three years after
00:58:10.220 covid and those kinds of things uh we you know we planted this new church in georgetown texas in
00:58:14.560 april 2021 and um and immediately started growing we had 20 people including kids and now we're
00:58:20.160 about 200 and the church has continued to grow overall the church is still growing and growing
00:58:25.160 a lot and going fast however um we're now a little over two years in and so we're at the point to
00:58:30.620 where we're now seeing some people drop off the overall attendance is still uh you know strongly
00:58:36.200 going up but you see some people who joined in the beginning but are now dropping off and i've
00:58:40.440 thought about that and and some of the people who are dropping off it's the people who they
00:58:44.460 were initially attracted because uh we weren't wearing masks um because we were singing uh
00:58:50.640 because we were anti-jab um because we were anti-branch covidians and dr fauci because we
00:58:56.540 were this because we were that you know all these kinds of things um and they were coming for that
00:59:01.160 because we were anti-woke and we weren't for you know the blm you know riots and and all these
00:59:05.480 kind of and so they were coming for that because they saw us um as hey here's one of the few
00:59:11.320 churches that has taken the red pill but then after two years of sitting under my preaching
00:59:17.400 they realized uh that the red pill is is a a regular part of my preaching um but for every
00:59:24.220 red pill you're going to get three or four white pills and uh and the white pills what they they
00:59:28.880 didn't want uh because because that's right yeah uh-huh that covid that was an overreach and this
00:59:33.540 is tyranny and black lives matter yep that is the actual racist uh yeah that is wrong that is
00:59:39.160 marxism that you know all these kind of things and then but then what i would say again and again
00:59:43.140 and again is uh we can win we can win this is what we're going to do we're going to do this
00:59:46.800 you're going to start a business we're going to have kids we're not going to uh put them in public
00:59:50.440 school we're going to you know we're going to start a school as a church we're going to do this
00:59:53.440 we're going to do that we're going to run for local office um and and we may not win in our
00:59:57.980 generation that's not promised to us um but we are going to win the knowledge of god is going to
01:00:03.200 filled the whole earth as the waters cover the sea that's happening. And, uh, and we're going
01:00:07.580 to push the ball up the field. And I noticed there's not a huge market for that yet. That's
01:00:12.440 right. There's not, there is a huge market. People pat themselves on their back. It's like the meme
01:00:17.060 with Obama putting a necklace around Obama, you know, an award around his own neck, you know,
01:00:21.860 that, that, uh, but it's like, there's a huge market for, um, for, for this. If, if I could
01:00:27.640 say it in a sentence the market is this big market for we see the problem we see the matrix
01:00:34.800 huge market for that but the market that says we see the matrix and we're going to break it
01:00:40.840 not a big market for that because that's hard that takes work people want to just be in a place
01:00:46.860 with like yep we see it and then we all just like what do we do about it well what we do about it
01:00:51.780 is we all just stand in a circle and shake each other's hands for how perceptive we are and how
01:00:56.500 we see this oh you see it too oh i see it oh you see it you know and like but then when it's like
01:01:02.500 we see it and we're gonna beat it we're gonna take it down um that's when it's like whoa dude
01:01:08.300 i think we're gonna have to find a new church pastor all right well god bless you well joel
01:01:12.440 we've done a lot of good content together this is my favorite of all so thank you so much for
01:01:16.320 having me on man yep you're welcome all right god bless
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