The NXR Podcast - May 23, 2023


THEOLOGY APPLIED - What’s The Difference？ ｜ Eastern Orthodoxy Vs. Roman Catholicism

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Eastern Orthodoxy vs. Roman Catholicism
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Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
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Joel Webin Jared Longshore Chris Wiley Haunted Cosmos Bright Hearth Henry L. Nyman Brian Sauve Joseph Boot Joe Biden King
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In this episode of Theology Applied, we continue our mini-series on Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism, and focus on the reasons why some protestants have gravitated toward the more conservative doctrine of the Eastern Church.

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00:00:40 All right, welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied.
00:00:43 I am your host, Pastor Joel Webin with Right Response Ministries.
00:00:46 Now, if you joined us last week, then you know we're right in the middle of an unusual
00:00:51 but very important and interesting three-part series exclusively focusing on Eastern Orthodoxy. 0.77
00:00:59 Part one last week was focusing on three deadly heresies committed by Eastern Orthodoxy.
00:01:07 Today, we're focusing on what's the difference between Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism.
00:01:15 that's part two what's the difference between eastern orthodoxy and roman catholicism many
00:01:22 similarities both very dangerous with certain heresies but there are distinctions nonetheless
00:01:30 protestants need to be informed and understand what these distinctions are that's part two
00:01:36 that's the episode you're watching right now if you stick with us in this journey next week will
00:01:42 be the final and third part of this mini-series where we'll focus on three of the primary reasons
00:01:49 that certain protestants just in the last few recent years have switched teams so to speak
00:01:56 from protestant reformed doctrine over to eastern orthodoxy so part one last week three deadly
00:02:05 heresies committed by eastern orthodoxy this week part two the difference between eo and roman
00:02:13 catholicism next week three of the primary reasons why protestants keep keep gravitating towards the
00:02:23 catnip of eastern orthodoxy which is important for us to be aware of that'll be next week but
00:02:29 today we focus on EO versus Roman Catholicism. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're going to want to hear
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00:05:53 to register today applying god's word to every aspect of life this is theology
00:06:00 now kind of moving to the second half wanting to compare and contrast you know eo with roman
00:06:10 catholicism everything that you're saying is pretty much the same as rome like the different
00:06:15 you know so rome is going to have you know carved images whereas my understanding is eastern
00:06:19 orthodoxy is going to say a graven image that's where we draw the line you know but we just we
00:06:23 just kiss and worship paintings you know like 2d 2d idolatry we're down you know but but 3d
00:06:29 idolatry. Now that's real idolatry. Other than that, introducing works into the equation with
00:06:37 faith for salvation, introducing authority of tradition as an equal infallible authority to
00:06:44 scripture, denying sola scriptura, in regards to those kinds of things, Eastern Orthodoxy and
00:06:52 Roman Catholicism sounds very similar. But could you, one question that I've had that I just,
00:06:57 you know i just not super familiar with is rome has a pope what what do the orthodox have
00:07:05 what's their what's their pope um well they don't have a pope uh even though the ecumenical patriarch
00:07:11 would like to be a pope um and some people are very frustrated and annoyed with him
00:07:16 uh politically because he'll sometimes act unilaterally as though he were a pope
00:07:22 But really, usually the authority is invested or seen as invested in synodality or conciliarity, which is a fancy word to say the councils.
00:07:32 So when the church comes together in these seven ecumenical councils, that's the voice of the Holy Spirit speaking through the church.
00:07:40 But when you have these kind of like Anglican convert people into or Episcopalian converts into Eastern Orthodoxy, a lot of Episcopalians will have kind of like a romantic appreciation of the seven ecumenical councils.
00:07:59 and so they'll kind of like swallow the seventh ecumenical council uh sometimes in a way uh well
00:08:06 actually let me back let me back up they'll they'll enter into eastern orthodoxy and kind of
00:08:11 give like a certain grandeur to the seven ecumenical councils that the eastern orthodox
00:08:15 church indigenously doesn't really have um they continued to meet in councils and so the council
00:08:24 in 1672 is a completely binding council. It wasn't one of the seven ecumenical councils,
00:08:30 but it came up later in the 17th century and was accepted by all of the Eastern Orthodox Church.
00:08:37 And so therefore it's binding. Just as much as the seven. Say that again. It's just as binding as
00:08:44 the seven? Yeah. It couldn't be less than binding because the Eastern Orthodox Church can never
00:08:50 fail the eastern orthodox church never died it never you know like when rome fell away
00:08:55 it ceased being the church which is another one of the things that the eastern orthodox
00:09:01 church affirm if you don't use their calendar you're anathema you're outside the church
00:09:05 you know if you don't if you're not under an eastern orthodox bishop then you're not even
00:09:10 a christian they'll say uh much less in a church so the councils that an orthodox christian has
00:09:19 technically above them from like the 17th century that's still binding because they're still the
00:09:24 church and the church never died the church never failed and they're the only church and so it's not
00:09:30 like the eastern orthodox church formally affirms that any other group is either a christian or a
00:09:36 church now that's one difference with the roman catholics is that they'll sometimes call the
00:09:41 eastern orthodox church a church or they'll sometimes call protestants separated brethren
00:09:47 or something like that because vatican ii was kind of like a pr repair job in a lot of ways
00:09:54 a lot of ways of vatican one which had those very strict statements if you're not under the pope
00:09:58 you're you're anathema right um so vatican ii kind of backtracked that and then they used
00:10:04 cardinal henry newman and his doctrine of development to kind of like give the theological
00:10:09 impetus you know to vatican ii's shifting of their weight uh so to speak uh the shift of
00:10:16 gravity but the eastern orthodox church has always thought of themselves as the only church and it
00:10:22 just happened to be that the pope of rome used to be a part of the orthodox church and now he's not
00:10:27 now he's not he's a pope of nothing um and so that's the that's the canonical side of it but
00:10:35 if you get into the ecumenist side of it you'll find them i mean you know there was a recent uh
00:10:41 baptizing of the of the child of a gay couple a gay married couple in an orthodox church you know
00:10:50 uh so it becomes kind of like anything really happens in these eastern orthodox churches so
00:10:56 they have this kind of paper unity um but really if there isn't uh an an objective factual unity
00:11:04 because they don't really listen much to some of these councils then you have other people who
00:11:08 listen to them a lot and they don't really meet in the middle they just kind of live in a permanent
00:11:14 state of cold war so to speak or a permanent state of cold civil war and you have that kind
00:11:20 of manifest today between the russian orthodox patriarch and the greek orthodox patriarch
00:11:25 they're not in communion right now the russians and the greeks and so which one's the true orthodox
00:11:33 church well they haven't figured it out yet right that's similar to rome in the sense that you know
00:11:40 at one point within roman catholicism history there were three popes simultaneously it's like
00:11:47 well which did we get the right one because with this you know this whole papal succession you know
00:11:51 that you know if if we missed it you know then then we've been off on our popes for you know
00:11:57 hundreds of years we went with the wrong line so i i think i like what you said earlier just to
00:12:02 backtrack a little bit. I think that's one of the primary deceptions is that both with Rome
00:12:06 and Eastern Orthodoxy, um, they like to present this united front. Like we have always been the
00:12:14 same for 2000 years, no changes whatsoever. And we're completely unified, the streamlined united
00:12:21 front on all of our, and, and with paper it's there. Um, but you know, I can speak more to
00:12:28 roman catholicism than i can eastern orthodoxy but within roman catholicism i mean it's just you
00:12:33 know it it depends what the pope ate last night and how he's feeling when he wakes up in the
00:12:38 morning what you know who knows what's going to come out of his mouth uh rampant contradictions
00:12:42 and then you go to each individual bishop and down to each different uh individual parish and priest
00:12:47 um and yeah you you may be serving the lord's supper to nancy pelosi who kills babies you know
00:12:54 by the thousands or, or you might not, you know, and it's just, and so to pretend as those like, 0.80
00:12:59 well, we have this streamlined position and Protestants, they're the ones that are, you know,
00:13:03 3,000 different denominations. And I think Protestants are just more honest in the sense
00:13:07 that we're just saying, yeah, we, we, we have different views of doctrine and we have different
00:13:12 individual denominations and individual churches. And so do you, you have priests that are baptizing,
00:13:18 you know, the, the, the baby of the gay couple and priests that won't baptize the baby. Like 0.88
00:13:22 that is not the same. You're not on the same page. We just say we're not on the same page.
00:13:30 All right, welcome back to another episode of Theology Applied. I am your host, Pastor Joel
00:13:34 Webin with Right Response Ministries. Now, if you joined us last week, then you know we're right in
00:13:39 the middle of an unusual but very important and interesting three-part series exclusively focusing
00:13:47 on Eastern Orthodoxy. Part one last week was focusing on three deadly heresies committed by
00:13:56 Eastern Orthodoxy. Today we're focusing on what's the difference between Eastern Orthodoxy and 0.78
00:14:04 Roman Catholicism. That's part two. What's the difference between Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman
00:14:11 catholicism many similarities both very dangerous with certain heresies but there are distinctions
00:14:19 nonetheless protestants need to be informed and understand what these distinctions are
00:14:25 that's part two that's the episode you're watching right now if you stick with us in this journey
00:14:30 next week will be the final and third part of this mini series where we'll focus on three of
00:14:38 the primary reasons that certain protestants just in the last few recent years have switched teams
00:14:46 so to speak from protestant reformed doctrine over to eastern orthodoxy so part one last week
00:14:54 three deadly heresies committed by eastern orthodoxy this week part two the difference
00:15:02 between EO and Roman Catholicism. 0.92
00:15:05 Next week, three of the primary reasons 0.98
00:15:08 why Protestants keep gravitating 0.87
00:15:13 towards the catnip of Eastern Orthodoxy,
00:15:16 which is important for us to be aware of.
00:15:18 That'll be next week,
00:15:19 but today we focus on EO versus...
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