The Peter Attia Drive - November 26, 2019


Qualy #65 - The three laws of medicine — Law #1: A strong intuition is much more powerful than a weak test


Episode Stats

Length

6 minutes

Words per Minute

192.26196

Word Count

1,186

Sentence Count

3

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

1


Summary

In this episode of The Qualies, Dr. Peter M. Diamond talks about one of the most seminal ideas in medicine, The Laws of Medicine, and how it can apply to any area of our lives. He also discusses the importance of the Bayes-Baysian law, and the role it plays in understanding the universe.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 welcome to the qualies a subscriber exclusive podcast qualies is just a shorthand slang for
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00:00:59.240 subscribe so without further delay i hope you enjoy today's quali i want to talk about another book you
00:01:06.380 wrote that doesn't get as much attention which is the laws of medicine you wrote that after emperor
00:01:10.600 before the gene correct that's right so laws of medicine has a very different mandate as it were
00:01:15.420 and that's because the book came out in association with ted they had commissioned 10 books by 10 thinkers
00:01:22.720 around the world and they asked me to write a book on that and i it's it's necessarily a small book
00:01:27.780 it's really a you know the mandate was to write basically a 75 page book expanding on a single
00:01:33.540 very very incisive idea so that's the laws of medicine yes if i if i got them correctly the three
00:01:37.960 laws are a strong intuition is much more powerful than a weak test how did you think of that and what
00:01:43.780 is the most important application of that law to the way you think about medicine or specifically
00:01:48.720 oncology today this to me is one of the great neglected ideas in medicine perhaps one of the
00:01:53.800 great neglected ideas in the world this idea initially comes from thomas bayes this is a bayesian
00:01:59.020 idea thomas bayes was a cleric but by evening he was a mathematician and an economist and he led his
00:02:07.220 work leads to one of the most seminal and funny thought experiments that i've ever encountered which
00:02:11.020 is the following and i i sometimes quiz my my daughters with it which is the following this is not thomas
00:02:16.000 bayes's own example but it arises out of thomas bayes's work and he one might imagine going to a
00:02:22.300 street fair and encountering a man who's tossing coins and he tosses coins and your job is to predict
00:02:29.440 whether the next flip coin flip is going to be heads or tails and so he tosses the coin 20 times and all
00:02:36.200 20 times its tails so then he turns to the crowd and he says what's the next coin flip going to be heads
00:02:43.620 or tails now the mathematician in the crowd who's the professor of mathematics says 50 percent says
00:02:50.660 50 percent and you know everyone says absolutely right but the child in the crowd says no no you
00:02:57.180 don't understand this is a stupid problem it's the coins rigged the coin has only it has two heads or
00:03:02.760 two tails as case may be and the child's right and what's important about that insight is that the
00:03:08.220 mathematician imagines the world this in this case this is not a stab at mathematicians in general
00:03:13.300 but the professor of mathematics thinks of the world as having no history as having no a priori's
00:03:19.700 it's a world that's created de novo every time the coin is flipped and its heads and tails equal every
00:03:25.040 time but the child knows and all humans know that in fact the world doesn't behave like that everything
00:03:32.060 has priors and you need to understand those priors before you can understand the posteriors there's
00:03:37.520 wisdom in that idea and it took someone like thomas bayes to figure that out that most of our lives we
00:03:44.020 aren't living our lives like the crazy mathematician professor we are living our lives like the child
00:03:49.300 we're thinking to ourselves what was the prior antecedent imagine this is true for any corner of your life
00:03:55.220 the first question you ask yourself when you're trying to solve a problem trying to understand the
00:04:00.100 cosmos trying to understand something you ask yourself what was the prior like did the sun set in the
00:04:05.280 west last night and how about the night before and maybe i don't need to create a formula to figure out
00:04:11.720 whether the sun is going to set on the west or the east tomorrow it's because it's set on the west every
00:04:16.040 time there are obviously loopholes and gaps to this kind of thinking there are surprises that you can
00:04:20.320 miss so bayes's fundamental idea was that you can only interpret a test in the light of what that test
00:04:27.400 is predicted in the past it's an extraordinarily important idea in the way we think about about the
00:04:32.560 universe that the past performance of a test tells you something not everything but tells you something
00:04:38.580 about the future performance of a test and you can apply it to many many things in the world you can
00:04:43.720 apply to any kind of thinking economic economic thinking climate change oriented thinking that the past
00:04:49.400 is a guide to the future not only in a kind of loose way but you're really using a real stat
00:04:56.060 weighted strongly by the past and this of course applies to medicine and it's a forgotten rule
00:05:01.540 in medicine although it does seem like one of the things that i've always felt physicians innately
00:05:06.220 do well without realizing it which is the opposite of where i want to be not to take the pot shots but i think
00:05:12.900 where we do very poorly is in understanding asymmetric risk i hope you enjoyed today's quali now sit tight
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