The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - Breakfast With Beau ｜ Thursday 12th November 2026

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00:00:52 Today, I am joined by a very special returning guest

00:00:57 the lord dutton first of i count dutton how are you sir hello morning morning yeah i'm i'm i'm

00:01:05 okay good to good to see you again gives me an excuse to get up um at a sensible time

00:01:10 you're in finland though right so it's what you uh it's what mid-morning is it mid-morning or

00:01:16 10 a.m it's it's 10 o'clock here but i have a tendency to work till late and then get up late

00:01:22 So even this

00:01:25 I'm sometimes often still

00:01:26 Oh you just got up or in bed

00:01:29 So it gives me an excuse

00:01:31 To do something

00:01:33 Close to a nine to five job

00:01:35 You're not hung over from too many 1.00

00:01:37 Vinos last night or anything

00:01:39 Oh no no no no no no

00:01:41 Friday

00:01:42 Friday is Mr

00:01:44 And Mrs Dutton's

00:01:47 Drinky night

00:01:48 I abstain

00:01:50 I abstain throughout the week

00:01:52 Oh, yeah, yeah, no, you look bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, rocking and rearing for the day ahead, the show ahead.

00:01:58 Shall we get into what the cabal of evil, quite frankly, evil Fleet Street editors are banging on about this morning?

00:02:04 Let's have a look-see, what have we got? 0.90

00:02:06 OK, it's still a little bit of a fallout from the Wallian stuff.

00:02:10 So TV industry must tackle abuse, says the government.

00:02:14 And Cameron, that's the Lord Cameron, David Cameron, Teflon Dave, tells the Prime Minister, no Stern and Burnham,

00:02:20 don't rejoin the eu which is interesting considering he was of course famously a

00:02:25 remainer wasn't he uh okay let's get into it then the guardian ooh the guardian smells doesn't it

00:02:31 it smells disgusting the guardian it's what yeah yeah it's not nice not nice not nice okay first

00:02:36 of all then let's just talk about briefly let's get your thoughts and feelings is the headline

00:02:40 there tv industry must tackle abuse or face crackdown ministers what's been your thoughts

00:02:44 some feelings broadly about both the russell brand and now the david walliams saga well i was

00:02:52 watching it just this morning as i was waiting to start and i'm more i mean i've we can talk

00:02:57 david walliams is the is the newest thing and feelings is the problem uh feelings is the

00:03:03 problem that's what occurred to me they kept talking about david walliams has behaved

00:03:07 inappropriately there were all lots and lots of celebrities behave inappropriately are we or are

00:03:13 we not in a in a country that is governed by the rule of law i think that's that's the question i

00:03:18 want an answer to and if we are in a country that is governed by the rule of law then what should

00:03:23 matter is has he broken the law i don't care if he's behaved inappropriately i take it as read

00:03:30 that the kind of people that are that are major celebrities and actors and whatever are going to

00:03:35 be narcissists and they're going to behave inappropriately that goes without saying i

00:03:39 I want to know, have they broken the law?

00:03:41 And I think it's a really dangerous situation

00:03:43 for people to go on and on about this inappropriately,

00:03:46 inappropriately, as if it's not good enough

00:03:48 in a country governed by the rule of law

00:03:51 to simply obey the law.

00:03:53 What we should have to do is obey the law

00:03:55 and no more should be asked of us as far as I can see.

00:03:58 I don't care if he's behaved inappropriately.

00:04:01 Has he broken the law?

00:04:02 That's all people should be concerned about.

00:04:04 I think it's very concerning that they're concerned

00:04:06 about something beyond that

00:04:07 if we're supposed to be governed by the rule of law. 0.99

00:04:10 I think it's the feminisation of society, 0.98

00:04:12 this idea that it's not good enough to just obey the law.

00:04:15 There's also all of these extra behaviours which you have to engage in.

00:04:22 Yeah, that was sort of my thoughts and feelings yesterday,

00:04:25 talking specifically about Walliams anyway.

00:04:27 That's what I mean.

00:04:28 That's what I mean. 1.00

00:04:28 Even that phrasing, Beau, you've learnt that from our woman society.

00:04:32 What did I say?

00:04:33 I can't even remember.

00:04:33 Not thoughts and feelings.

00:04:37 Thoughts.

00:04:37 Right, okay. Yeah, those are my thoughts. With Walliams, there was some suggestion that there may be something to do with a 15-year-old, but short of that, I mean, if that is a crime, then okay, then have an open trial and be punished if any sort of crime has been committed there with a 15-year-old.

00:04:57 But everything else, it seems, in the reporting, everything else, like 90 plus percent of everything he's been accused of and alleged and things.

00:05:06 Yeah, there's no crime.

00:05:07 That's sort of what I was saying yesterday, that like he was pictured with an 18-year-old.

00:05:13 Yeah, so?

00:05:13 Hiding in plain sight with his arm around an 18-year-old.

00:05:18 Yeah, so that's not illegal.

00:05:20 Okay, he was in his mid-30s.

00:05:23 Is it a little bit off?

00:05:24 Maybe, but there's no crime.

00:05:26 Yeah, go on.

00:05:27 Yeah, but that's a little bit off. 0.86

00:05:28 There's a woman called, I think her name's Beaumont, 0.91

00:05:31 something Beaumont.

00:05:32 She used to be married to him off 1.00

00:05:33 Eight Out of Ten Cats Does Countdown.

00:05:35 Is it John Richardson or something like that?

00:05:38 And Lucy Beaumont, that was her name.

00:05:40 And she was saying, well, we all regard it as bloody weird

00:05:43 if we see a person that's 40 years old

00:05:45 and he's got an 18-year-old girlfriend.

00:05:47 You know, we're all horrified by that, she said.

00:05:50 So why is it legal?

00:05:51 That's an interesting question.

00:05:53 No, hang on a minute.

00:05:53 It's either legal or the idea that just because

00:05:55 you don't like something that you react to it emotionally strongly it should be illegal you

00:06:00 can question that but i can see the point why don't we just let's find an age of sexual consent

00:06:06 where we say okay there's no debate about it this person is emotionally uh sufficient and

00:06:13 intellectually sufficiently um uh developed to be able to make their decisions and that's their

00:06:19 decision and then let's say that that should be the age of sexual consent i think we could be

00:06:23 that's not 16 it's pretty clear that if a person is 16 then as a rule that they can still be

00:06:29 exploited they can still be taken advantage of sexually so probably the age of sexual consent

00:06:33 should be increased and and and and that would help to to solve the problem so i don't know what

00:06:39 it should be in china i believe it's 20 unless i'm wrong so um you know maybe that's what they

00:06:46 should do and then and then there doesn't need to be this issue of exploitation we just have an age

00:06:50 where that's the age of consent because a lot of these women it strikes me did things when they

00:06:56 were very young but they were legal because it was above the age of sexual consent which now as

00:07:01 older people they regret and they feel exploited and they feel taken advantage of and they realize

00:07:05 that when they were 18 and they thought they were adults and they thought they knew what they were

00:07:09 doing they they didn't um and now they deeply regret it and talk about being taken advantage

00:07:14 of and being groomed and whatever well that is an argument for having a serious debate about

00:07:19 increasing the age of consent to an age where we can all agree that the average person um can can

00:07:25 deal emotionally with these things and make uh decisions that uh that are reasonable yeah i mean

00:07:32 you make a good point it's exactly that it's the you know that the same types the same probably 1.00

00:07:37 feminist types if you wanted to talk about increasing the age of consent they'd probably 1.00

00:07:42 say no it's our it's our right how dare the patriarchy tell us what we can do or can't do 1.00

00:07:47 with our own bodies they probably be the exact same people that would get the knickers in a

00:07:52 bunch about that if you try to do that as well oh yeah very very very possibly well what they

00:07:58 what they want is just to be a feeling of being empowered all the time a bit like a child it's

00:08:04 like children and that's constant on the one hand the child will say oh how dare you to their parents

00:08:09 let me do let me do whatever i want but then if you let them do whatever they want then they'll

00:08:13 say how dare you you let me do what i wanted and you weren't responsible for me so ultimately yeah 0.93

00:08:17 i think the reference to patriarchy is a very good point but that women are evolved i'm afraid

00:08:23 over a very very long period of time to live under the patriarchy and that means that under

00:08:28 the patriarchy they um they develop in relation to the patriarchy and what that means is that

00:08:34 their their parents and their brothers and whatever uh will sexually select on their behalf

00:08:40 for their own genetic interests and so then the women will react against that in like you know 1.00

00:08:45 how when you negotiate you'll you'll you'll say that you want i don't know five thousand pounds

00:08:49 but really you want you want it for two thousand and you you play for five thousand you get it for

00:08:54 two thousand well that's what they're like that they will negotiate for the completely absurd

00:08:58 thing i.e the kind of big brother uh bullshitter essentially uh and then there's a big pushback

00:09:04 from their parents and they end up with what the right thing is for them in the first place

00:09:08 If the patriarchy collapses, then they negotiate for the higher, for the more extreme thing.

00:09:14 And they get that more extreme thing.

00:09:17 And then, of course, they regret it later because it's not really what's suitable for them.

00:09:23 I wonder if in centuries to come, if there's a realigning, a rejection of feminism in the broadest sense, at least in Western culture, Western society.

00:09:32 In centuries to come, historians look back at the second half, the last quarter of the 20th century, the beginning of the 21st century, and see the feminist project as just simply something that failed and just made women less happy.

00:09:49 Just simply that. It just made women less. The net result of it all is it made women less happy.

00:09:56 Well, it objectively makes women less happy. There's no question about that. 0.98

00:10:00 If you look at studies on women that live in highly patriarchal societies, such as the Amish of Pennsylvania, they have levels of subjective happiness that are congruous with CEOs of major companies who are really, really wealthy and have all kinds of access to resources.

00:10:14 People are happy in their evolutionary match in what they're evolved to be in.

00:10:19 You get an animal and you put it in an evolutionary mismatch, won't be happy.

00:10:23 Put it in its match, it will be happy.

00:10:24 And our match, our evolutionary match is things like high levels of child mortality, which then mean that we're highly religious, which then mean that life has because because mortality said it makes us instinctive, that's more religious and that sort of thing.

00:10:40 And then we're more religious and life has meaning and we're happy. And a woman's evolutionary mismatch, at least in the context of Europe and places like that, is the patriarchy. 0.97

00:10:48 That's what they're evolved to psychologically. That's what they're evolved to physically, even in terms of sexual dimorphism. 1.00

00:10:55 They are evolved to a patriarchy in which they are looked after by men.

00:11:00 And you get certain women that were selected out under harsh Darwinian conditions who were not evolved to the patriarchy, 0.94

00:11:07 who were evolved to the jungle of pump and dump and live fast, die young. 1.00

00:11:12 And those women push for the destruction of the patriarchy, obviously. 0.99

00:11:15 and what this does then is it means that most women who are not like that are extremely unhappy 0.99

00:11:21 because and make very poor decisions because they're not being guided in the way that they're 0.63

00:11:26 evolved to be guided and then of course they make those poor decisions then later they look back on

00:11:30 it and they feel terrible about it and i also suspect that if you if you look at a lot of

00:11:34 these women that are involved with this um i don't know about all of them but certainly that they 0.90

00:11:40 These are socio-sexual women. These are, as it were, fast life history strategy women who are literally throwing themselves at the very high status man, at the big man in tribal terms.

00:11:54 And those kinds of women that are like that, they're evolved to an unstable ecology, live fast, die young. 1.00

00:11:58 They tend to be mentally unstable. They tend to be low in agreeableness. They tend to be low in impulse control. 1.00

00:12:05 And people that are like that, that are mentally unstable, they have a weak sense of self.

00:12:08 their sense of self they're so anxious and on edge that their sense of who they are is constantly

00:12:14 changing and will sort of oscillate between being narcissistic and and hating themselves and then

00:12:19 there'll be fundamental shifts in identity when they when they hate themselves to the extent that

00:12:24 they won't even see themselves in the past as the same person that they are now um and they and

00:12:31 because they're constantly changing who they are what they think and what they think about the

00:12:35 world such that they will look at what they've done in the past i.e have a sexual relationship

00:12:39 with Russell Brand or David Walliams consensually and feel very bad about it and so in order to

00:12:45 maintain a positive sense of self now they will conclude well in reality I didn't choose to do

00:12:49 that outrageous thing that makes me a bad person I'm a good person and therefore I was abused and

00:12:53 taken advantage of you mentioned narcissism there and religiosity talk a little bit about Mr Brand

00:13:02 then move on from walliams go to brand um i saw you did a very good video i thought it was a very

00:13:09 very good video just the other day about russell brand's conversion to christianity and it was he

00:13:15 was actually talking more broadly as well about uh converting in adulthood and and how the like

00:13:20 how likely or rather unlikely is that people in adulthood anyway can or do or even can profoundly

00:13:29 change like that go from somebody who's completely a religious and reveling in it as an early russell

00:13:36 brand did i saw a little clip of stand up just the other day where he's mocking god the nature

00:13:40 the concept of religion mocking it um and being extremely extremely um promiscuous to being uh

00:13:50 entirely faithful and religious i personally i never bought brands conversion at all not one bit

00:13:59 and i also know that you've done your undergrad was actually in theology and i've studied

00:14:04 the early christian period and i've studied christianity in all sorts of ways it's not

00:14:08 it's basically not something to take lightly it's not something you just wake up one morning go i

00:14:13 know yes i believe in the word of jesus christ and i take it into my heart and i believe all of that

00:14:18 now it doesn't it doesn't really happen like that i mean i just never bought brand's conversion

00:14:24 to christianity i think the whole thing was a hundred percent performative what do you think

00:14:29 well it may be an actual conversion but the question is um what what is the psychology

00:14:36 of people that do that william james the american psychologist argued that there are two

00:14:41 fundamentally two kinds of religion there's the religion of healthy mindedness and those people

00:14:46 are highly pro-social and mentally stable but they may occasionally have mystical experiences

00:14:51 of the presence of God not least because they're high in agreeableness they're high in empathy

00:14:56 they're interested in external signals of internal states and they transpose this over to the world

00:15:02 itself and then there's the religion of the sick soul and the person that has that that's the

00:15:07 convert is the opposite such a person is high in mental instability and often that goes together

00:15:13 with being quite an antisocial person and if you are and the studies subsequently have found that

00:15:20 intrinsic religiousness i.e genuine religious belief is predicted by being mentally stable

00:15:26 and pro-social which are highly genetic traits by the way whereas extrinsic religiousness i.e

00:15:32 where you're going on about it where you're very publicly religious and very clearly religious and

00:15:36 want everyone to know and also periods of religious extreme fervor are predicted by neuroticism and by

00:15:44 social anxiety and so what you so what you basically get them with a person that is neurotic

00:15:49 is that they they see the world as a dangerous and unpleasant place they have lots and lots of

00:15:53 negative feelings they're very unhappy about themselves um even their sense of self is

00:15:58 unstable because they're constantly questioning who they are and what they are and and what they

00:16:03 should do they haven't really integrated a smooth sense of self so they can be very different people

00:16:09 and come across as that at very different points because they don't have the sense of certainty to

00:16:13 be able to adopt different aspects from different people and independent of other aspects because

00:16:19 they're not sure what to do so they're very unstable and unpredictable and those people

00:16:23 will often deal with that by one adopting a very unambiguous clear extreme sense of self

00:16:30 you know such as being an extreme atheist um we offer a sense of self which is a bit narcissistic

00:16:36 which gives them a sense of superiority over other people uh to deal with their negative feelings so

00:16:41 you know i'm deeper than other people i'm i'm i'm an atheist and those are those poor superficial

00:16:46 people that believe in god you know how silly right that that kind of attitude but then those

00:16:51 and they'll hold to that but unfortunately their very sense of of of who they are is unstable as

00:16:57 well. Everything is black and white. That's how you deal with the hatred of ambiguity and so forth.

00:17:03 And even your view of yourself is black and white. So you're either a very good person or a very bad

00:17:08 person. And you will oscillate between being narcissistic and thinking you're great and

00:17:13 something bad happening to you. And you feel negative feelings very strongly, remember.

00:17:16 And so then you have a collapse and you feel that you're absolutely awful and terrible.

00:17:20 And in that collapse, then your identity will fundamentally change to a new strong identity,

00:17:26 often and you'll reject the identity you associate with the collapse and so you'll end up being

00:17:31 completely the opposite of what you were and that is how people move from the far left to the far

00:17:37 right or the far right to the far left or atheism to religiosity quite dramatically now in terms of

00:17:43 the atheism to religiosity that can involve a religious experience and i wouldn't be surprised

00:17:48 apparently brand was diagnosed with bipolar disorder which relates to this uh uh fluctuating

00:17:55 positive negative sense of self so you can see what happens if you're very very high neuroticism

00:18:00 very very hyper um aroused essentially in the in the in the traditional sense of the word

00:18:05 then what will happen is your your instincts will come through one of our instincts under under

00:18:10 the state of anxiety is to uh over detect agency um and um and to hallucinate and and things like

00:18:19 this and so you and so therefore you will have a religious experience you will you will see god or

00:18:24 hear God and then once that happens then you're flooded with serotonin and all kinds of chemicals

00:18:31 that make you very happy and then you have a dramatic religious experience and then you have

00:18:35 a new identity and you are a believer but because you are but the studies indicate that the act once

00:18:41 apart from the sort of period of bliss just after the conversion after sort of 10 years or even a

00:18:47 few years that the personality of the convert hasn't fundamentally changed he's still the same 0.50

00:18:52 low agreeableness mentally unstable person it's just that now he he goes to church and and he

00:18:58 believes in god and he has a new set of friends and and ideas and things that he feels morally

00:19:05 superior about but there's no fundamental uh real change that's what the research on conversion

00:19:11 indicates very very very interesting stuff i i feel like it may well be the case that exactly

00:19:17 what you described there uh you can just map that onto russell brand it's absolutely possible

00:19:23 even probable i suspect though call me cynical i suspect it was more cynical from from his side

00:19:31 that rather he thought at some point i am going to be in the dock and in fact if i'm ever found

00:19:36 guilty of anything when the sentencing comes literally for that day that happened on monday

00:19:42 for that moment in time if i can say i am i am a different person i feel like it's much more

00:19:51 cynical than that in brand's example he can say i'm a religious person it didn't work for him

00:19:56 of course did it but they still threw the book at him but it works for him in the sense that he's

00:20:01 got this so he had this old following of left-wing people and he was the super duper left-wing person

00:20:07 And this gave him narcissistic supply. He now has a new following of a certain kind of right wing religious person for whom he's a kind of messiah figure.

00:20:16 And so this gives him narcissistic supply. But what I would say, and I look at this in this book published recently, Borderline Genius, Borderline Insane,

00:20:25 there's a difference between a secondary psychopath and a primary psychopath and a primary psychopath

00:20:31 is normally uh very cold and calculating and lacking in feelings and all of this sort of thing

00:20:39 and he doesn't come across like that that he's had that he's had bipolar disorder that he's had by

00:20:46 all accounts quite an awful childhood parents broke up when he was six months old um had a

00:20:51 stepfather, that sort of thing, that he switches, apparently, according to various testimonies.

00:20:58 So this unstable sense of self where he'll go from being perfectly pleasant and charming to

00:21:02 suddenly switching and being almost like a different person. All of these things are

00:21:06 consistent with him being a secondary psychopath. And if he's a secondary psychopath, then that 0.71

00:21:11 means he's emotional and mentally unstable. And this would be consistent with the possibility

00:21:16 he actually did have a religious experience but i should emphasize that the the kind of religious

00:21:22 experience these people have it is actually associated with narcissism uh people that are

00:21:27 narcissistic are more likely to have these kind if they have a religious experience to have one

00:21:32 where it's sudden and dramatic and it makes and you know it's very narcissistic isn't it god is

00:21:36 speaking to me god has chosen me as opposed to the more mystical experience of the religion of

00:21:42 healthy-mindedness which will involve i don't know looking up at the sky and having a sense

00:21:48 that the world is one and that there's someone there that just loves you and loves everyone else

00:21:53 one last thing i want to ask you about before we move on from brand and talk about other things

00:21:57 uh it was quite interesting what you said there about primary secretary sociopaths i don't feel

00:22:02 uh it's like sociopaths or psychopaths psychopaths psychopaths yeah i wouldn't necessarily put russell

00:22:07 brand in sort of the the ted bundy category of psychopath you know completely he's very emotional

00:22:13 but um the ted bundy category is a primary psychopath we're talking about yeah i wouldn't

00:22:19 put russell brand in that category however one little data point i saw on twitter the other day

00:22:24 someone put a a link or a screenshot or something from a passage from his bookie work which i've

00:22:30 never read but in that it said that he said when he was a child or young teenager age i think um

00:22:37 He would stand at the top of the stairs and beckon the family dog up the stairs and then he would kick the dog down the stairs and then go downstairs and and pet the dog and make the dog like fall back in love with him and be nice to the dog until it was OK and then repeat the process over and over again.

00:22:59 Now, that to me, that to me is deeply weird and disturbing.

00:23:06 And there is something like an actual, an actual psychopath type, whether you call it primary or secondary.

00:23:13 But that's odd behaviour to me, Ed.

00:23:16 Yes.

00:23:16 Well, I believe it was me that put that up.

00:23:19 It must have been someone retweeting you or just stealing your tweet then because it wasn't you. 1.00

00:23:24 The bastard. 0.99

00:23:25 But no, it was me that located that in the book. 1.00

00:23:28 All right.

00:23:28 Okay.

00:23:29 but but um yeah uh the problem with these with these dark triad um personality disorders things

00:23:37 like psychopathy machiavellianism narcissism histrionic whatever they all kind of cross over

00:23:43 so at about 0.5 so you get you get you get bits and pieces from one bit and bits and pieces from

00:23:49 another uh cluster b kind of person and so um you're going to get uh these kinds of crossovers

00:23:56 It means that some people have even argued we should jettison them as separate concepts and just talk about a cluster B person.

00:24:03 But it's perfectly possible that he would have lots and lots of secondary psychopathic traits or narcissistic traits, but a few primary ones. 0.53

00:24:11 And yes, that's true. One of the indicators of psychopathy later in life is cruelty to animals when you are a child.

00:24:18 And I was I was and that is the thing about what they want in a dangerous and stable world where they feel fearful is control.

00:24:24 control and that is control isn't it it's gaslighting and controlling an innocent little

00:24:29 dog um and so you can see why uh i think it was nick nick dixon uh quote tweeted that

00:24:36 what i put up about that it may well have been that and he said my god if the jury

00:24:40 reads this tweet then brown's bound to be found guilty

00:24:43 because it's it's there's something so tribal more so even than abusing young women to abuse 0.55

00:24:50 There's a little dog called Topsy the Dog. 0.54

00:24:55 Yeah, there's something truly sickening about that.

00:24:57 Okay, let's move on.

00:24:58 There's plenty enough about Walliams and Brand for one morning, isn't it?

00:25:02 Let's move on.

00:25:03 Okay, there's been bad weather in Gaza.

00:25:05 Oh, dear, oh, dear.

00:25:06 The Times, the Venerable Times.

00:25:08 Okay, there's a little bit in the news today about Kate Middleton

00:25:11 and how she, apparently she used nature when she was battling cancer.

00:25:16 that she used to go out into nature to help her.

00:25:21 Let's find the front page.

00:25:23 There we go.

00:25:24 The sanctuary in nature.

00:25:26 Okay, that's fair enough.

00:25:27 That's quite wholesome, I suppose.

00:25:30 Europe.

00:25:31 Okay, let's talk about this.

00:25:32 A proper story in Europe.

00:25:33 Even Cameron tells the Prime Minister,

00:25:36 don't rejoin the EU as Burnham's sovereignty surrender begins today

00:25:40 because there's some sort of European summit,

00:25:43 I believe in Ireland today, and he's going there.

00:25:46 only for a few hours, I understand.

00:25:47 But as the daily fail characterise it,

00:25:51 Burnham's sovereignty surrender begins today,

00:25:54 a warning from unlikely sources.

00:25:56 Dave Cameron, who was, of course, you know,

00:25:58 staunchly famously,

00:26:00 Remain, wasn't he?

00:26:02 He had to intervene a number of times

00:26:04 during the referendum process, didn't he?

00:26:06 Do you remember that?

00:26:07 So I take it, I don't actually know, Ed,

00:26:09 I don't think we've ever talked about Europe

00:26:11 and the European Union and Brexit much

00:26:13 in any detail with each other.

00:26:15 I take it you were a leaver.

00:26:17 What do you think about this and no sternum burnham

00:26:23 wanting to rejoin the EU, allegedly?

00:26:26 I was a leaver and I did vote leave.

00:26:30 And how it originally happened was when they announced

00:26:34 that there was going to be the referendum.

00:26:35 Of course, I live abroad.

00:26:36 I live in Finland and my dad's my proxy voter.

00:26:39 And my parents were both going to vote remain.

00:26:42 And they had discussed the fact, well, look,

00:26:43 Ed's vote cancels out one of our votes. So the solution is for just only one of us to bother to

00:26:48 go and vote. And then months later, when I rang them up to confirm just before the referendum

00:26:54 date that I still want to vote leave, they both changed their minds. And I couldn't believe it.

00:27:00 I was like, well, why? What's happened? And they've been caught up in some kind of Boris fervor,

00:27:05 as had a lot of people they know in the intervening months. And they'd all decided to vote to leave.

00:27:12 And I was like, this is this is strange, because part of my motivation was I thought, well, look, they're not going to let us leave.

00:27:18 I mean, they're bound to basically rig the referendum, aren't they?

00:27:21 So but I want if we're going to lose, which we are, I want us to lose by a small margin.

00:27:27 So I shall vote to leave. It never occurred to me that we actually would vote to leave.

00:27:32 It genuinely didn't cross my mind. And as a person living in Finland, it has made life incredibly annoying and complicated.

00:27:39 I have to have like a residence permit that I have to reapply for every five years.

00:27:46 Whenever I get sent anything from abroad, it has to go through customs and it takes like a week longer to get here than it otherwise would.

00:27:54 It's very irritating.

00:27:58 There's no positive dimension to it for me living in Finland.

00:28:02 And the only positive dimension to it would have been from living in England that you get less immigration.

00:28:09 That was the one thing people wanted, the one thing people wanted.

00:28:13 But we didn't get less immigration. We got more immigration, considerably more immigration.

00:28:19 And I think most British people would rather if they must have a million people coming in a year or something,

00:28:25 They would rather have people that were Europeans that looked like them and had the same religion as them and the same kind of ideas about like Polish people or Estonians or whatever. 0.96

00:28:39 They'd rather have them than people from God knows where, India, Africa, Muslims and absolutely no ability to queue, you know, all this sort of thing. 0.98

00:28:48 So I can't see that there's been any benefits at all. And the prices have shot up as well. 1.00

00:28:54 I can't see there have been any benefits to leaving the EU.

00:28:57 But that may need to be fair. It's because of the corruption of our politicians.

00:29:00 What they should have done is obeyed the people. 0.99

00:29:03 We leave the EU and we stop having immigration.

00:29:05 It's not that we know immigration. 0.99

00:29:09 That's what people voted for. And they got exactly the opposite.

00:29:12 They got more immigration and the wrong kind of immigrant. 0.98

00:29:17 Just before I go and talk a bit more about it. 0.99

00:29:20 Are you still a UK citizen legally?

00:29:22 You haven't become a Finnish citizen.

00:29:25 Well, even if I were to become a Finnish citizen, I could still be a UK citizen.

00:29:29 But no, I don't think, I think, I mean, I'm an ethno-nationalist.

00:29:33 I think it's ridiculous the idea that someone like me should be able to be Finnish. 0.58

00:29:37 That's crazy.

00:29:38 Yeah, fair enough.

00:29:39 OK, I must admit, my experience of going on holiday to Europe since Brexit,

00:29:44 I went to Italy just a few weeks ago, and it was actually quicker.

00:29:49 When we got off the plane, there was one queue for customs

00:29:52 when you have to scan your passport. 0.98

00:29:54 There was one queue for completely non-EU people,

00:29:58 one queue for EU people, and another queue just for UK people.

00:30:04 And that queue was the smallest one.

00:30:07 So I got through quicker, if anything.

00:30:09 Okay, great. 1.00

00:30:10 But you've got to balance that with how a million Bermalians 0.98

00:30:13 are coming to your country every year legally, 0.99

00:30:16 and how many hundred thousand are coming on small boats.

00:30:18 Yeah. The thing I would say about, I mean, you make a good point. We haven't really got a great deal out of it so far. But I feel like that's not the fault or the problem with the concept of leaving the European project. That's how it's been mismanaged by our government.

00:30:35 If we had had, for example, if we had had a government that was completely behind the idea of leaving Europe and making everything in our best interest, don't you think, it's fair to say, isn't it, that it's been deliberately mismanaged from Boris onwards to make it because they hated it.

00:30:56 They were dragged kicking and screaming the whole way.

00:31:01 And so they've deliberately made it.

00:31:04 All the Tory governments, all the governments since 2016 until now,

00:31:08 have deliberately made it so that we haven't really benefited.

00:31:11 That's not the fault of the concept of leaving Europe.

00:31:16 That's the fault of the governments that have managed the process

00:31:18 over the last 10 years.

00:31:19 Is that, you don't think that's fair to say?

00:31:21 Yeah, yeah, that is fair to say.

00:31:25 yeah that that that that is true yeah if they if they would well except only what i would like is

00:31:31 if rupert lowe were to get into power and we were to have a proper brexit obviously you would send 0.97

00:31:37 back all immigrants that have come to this country britain since the second of may 1997 unless they

00:31:42 have married a native british person i mean that goes without saying um and um and then and then

00:31:48 some kind of negotiation with um with europe because people do move around europe and whatever

00:31:54 for work purposes and all this sort of thing

00:31:56 and so it would be better if we didn't

00:31:58 have to have this customs

00:32:00 nonsense like I sent a

00:32:01 book, my new book to

00:32:04 a woman called Hannah Spear who's a psychiatrist

00:32:06 that helped me with my book because she lives in Switzerland

00:32:08 and I had to go through

00:32:10 all this nonsense of customs and

00:32:12 me saying how much money it cost and all 0.97

00:32:14 this crap and 0.99

00:32:16 if we could just get rid of that 1.00

00:32:17 then that would make me happy

00:32:20 because just

00:32:20 a customs union

00:32:23 across Europe with no political dimension.

00:32:28 That, for me, would be a good thing.

00:32:30 I just find it funny if it's talking a bit more,

00:32:33 zooming out a bit on the question of Europe.

00:32:36 I think it's interesting to see that when you look how the question of Europe

00:32:41 has been such a big deal politically for Britain ever since,

00:32:45 I think you could say, the 1950s,

00:32:47 when you look back at the governments of the 50s and 60s,

00:32:49 it was already boiling away then, and obviously we joined in the 70s,

00:32:53 And it was a massive, massive problem for the Tory party from the 70s all the way up until Cameron.

00:33:00 And Cameron tried to put a cap on it finally.

00:33:03 You know, it ripped the Tory party apart a couple of times in those decades.

00:33:09 And finally, Cameron thought he could put a cap on it by finally defeat the swivel-eyed lunatics in the Tory party, if nothing else, by having a referendum on it and winning.

00:33:19 And that just didn't happen. That went wrong.

00:33:21 And now I find it interesting stroke funny that the same thing seems to be playing out in the Labour Party now because it seems like Andy Burnham, Andy Burnham's idea, his concept of wanting to have closer ties to Europe and ultimately rejoin Europe in his lifetime, he said that explicitly, that that's not going down well with the Labour Party.

00:33:44 It's not like he's got broad, well, complete, he certainly hasn't got blanket support for that in the Labour Party.

00:33:49 The same thing that tore the Tory party apart now seems to be starting to tear the Labour Party apart.

00:33:56 It's just, it's just an endless, it's just like an endless headache.

00:33:59 Well, it was tearing them apart in the 80s.

00:34:02 In the 80s, it was the Tory party that were pro-being in the EU, or the 70s.

00:34:06 In the 1975 referendum, it was the Tory party that were pro-being in the EU.

00:34:10 And it was most of the Labour Party that were against it because the Labour Party recognised that that kind of free movement within the European Union will undermine the wages of the working class.

00:34:24 And so people like Peter Shaw and Tony Benn and whatever were against that because they genuinely cared about working class people.

00:34:33 Working class people were their constituency.

00:34:36 And they took the view that there's no...

00:34:37 Peter Shaw was the MP for Keir Starmer's old seat.

00:34:41 And this is appalling for the working class.

00:34:44 And it is appalling for the working class.

00:34:46 And so as Labour moves kind of more back towards being left wing,

00:34:51 then maybe that's the kind of thing that they should start to think about.

00:34:53 It's funny, there's that old school left wing view of it.

00:34:59 like you mentioned

00:35:00 Anthony Wedgwood

00:35:02 Ben there and there's people like Corbyn

00:35:04 a number of the old school

00:35:06 Owen

00:35:07 anyway a number

00:35:10 of the old school left wing

00:35:12 that saw it as simply bad because

00:35:15 they thought of their constituency as the working

00:35:17 man and Europe would just flood us with

00:35:18 unskilled workers and so they were against

00:35:21 it but now the

00:35:22 left wing the type of Andy Burnham

00:35:25 strap of left wing or

00:35:26 Keir Starmer type of left wing it's just

00:35:28 it's more

00:35:30 I don't know what title to give it, it's more progressive

00:35:32 they don't care

00:35:34 they don't see the world in those terms

00:35:36 they're just sort of pro-globalist

00:35:38 maybe is the word, I don't know

00:35:39 it's a completely different type of left wing

00:35:42 it makes sense

00:35:44 because I think you could argue that there's two

00:35:46 kinds of traditional left

00:35:48 wing person, or labour

00:35:50 person, there's the working

00:35:52 class person who's from a working class

00:35:54 background, someone like Jim Callaghan

00:35:56 or Neil Kinnock or whatever 0.68

00:35:57 And so for them, the Labour Party is in the interests of their kind of people that to the extent that class is a is a sort of a sub-ethny, a genetic caste. 0.88

00:36:08 It's their genetic interests that there's a government that is in the interest of the working class because that's people like them. 0.90

00:36:15 And then the other group is people that are part of the upper class, but who play for status covertly because they're neurotic and cowardly and disingenuous and devious. 0.55

00:36:26 And they have that general left wing kind of idea where you don't identify with those that are genetically closer to you.

00:36:33 You identify those that are genetically a bit distant from you and go on about how much you love them and think they're great because they're marginalised.

00:36:39 And then that allows you to create a coalition to covertly take over your own social class, those kinds of people.

00:36:47 And they don't really care. Of course, for them, it was the working class.

00:36:50 And once everyone agrees that we should all care about the working class, well, then you move on to the next more marginalised group, which becomes ethnic minorities or gays or whatever.

00:36:59 And so you can see how it's a kind of a natural progression where they've moved these upper class types like Tony Blair from pretending they care about the working class to pretending they care about ethnic minorities or gays or paedophiles or whatever it happens to be.

00:37:13 Interesting. OK, another story here from the Telegraph, German-owned Zionist slot, the Telegraph.

00:37:18 They've got to go with the headline here. SAS issues warning over troop witch hunts. I wanted to get your thoughts on this. Soldiers scared to pull the trigger in case of legal threat, says officers, in rare intervention.

00:37:35 OK, just the story, the ongoing story that special forces operators, the SAS, very, very often now find themselves in court at some point for effectively following orders.

00:37:49 There's two narratives over this, isn't there?

00:37:51 One, it's just that, yeah, the SAS murder people all the time and they should be brought to justice or they've done nothing wrong.

00:37:58 This is insane. This spells the end of our armed forces and our security and all sorts of things.

00:38:03 yeah it's absurd you can't you cannot if people are going to be prosecuted for obeying orders

00:38:10 um or or even for making a decision under fire and under stress they have to kill somebody

00:38:16 for their own defense and for the defense of their men then you can't have a functioning army

00:38:20 so if you want to have a functioning army then that needs to stop you and you cannot prosecute

00:38:27 people for obeying orders ironically considering the uh the uh the wake of the um you know the

00:38:34 trials but you you you cannot prosecute military men for obeying orders if that's the case then

00:38:41 you can't have a functioning military it's interesting you mentioned like i was i was

00:38:46 only obeying orders i have heard it said um that at nuremberg in what is it 46 with the trials um

00:38:53 the idea that that court

00:38:56 threw out the defence

00:38:58 I was only following orders

00:39:00 that the court said

00:39:01 that's just not

00:39:02 that's no defence

00:39:03 I have heard it said

00:39:05 I'm not sure if it's entirely true

00:39:07 but I have heard it said

00:39:08 that that was an inversion

00:39:10 of what was the norm

00:39:12 until then

00:39:13 that usually that was

00:39:15 a sound defence

00:39:16 yes it has to be

00:39:18 through history

00:39:19 what they're basically saying

00:39:21 is you should have allowed yourself 0.94

00:39:22 to have been shot 0.98

00:39:23 for refusing to obey orders rather than obey orders.

00:39:29 That's what they're saying.

00:39:30 And it seems to me that that is just victor's justice, isn't it?

00:39:34 However, I'm afraid I have to say that there is evidence

00:39:37 that their plea of I was only obeying orders was not actually true.

00:39:44 And the reality was, if you look into it,

00:39:46 when it came to massacring large numbers of Jews,

00:39:49 people were given an opt-out.

00:39:51 They would have said, well, you know, you don't you don't have to do this.

00:39:55 They would ask that they would ask people to do it, but they would say that we can't make you do this.

00:40:00 But a lot of the German soldiers have said, well, you feel a lot of pressure to do it because all your all your comrades are doing it.

00:40:06 And so if you refuse, then you're making them do all the horrible work and you're just standing by and being all all holier than thou.

00:40:13 So there was a lot of social pressure in the context of an army where you have to get on with people and trust people to to conform.

00:40:20 but that they didn't actually have to do these things interesting actually you probably know

00:40:25 all about this is very rarely the Wehrmacht that was doing that stuff it was sort of special work

00:40:29 groups uh usually uh Einsatzgruppen behind the lines after the Wehrmacht had gone through usually

00:40:36 it was sort of special special police actions sweeping up afterwards and yeah most of those

00:40:41 men were volunteers or given an opt-out a lot of them a lot of them weren't actually Germans a lot

00:40:48 of them were people from those countries from ukraine from what is modern day belarus from

00:40:54 the scandinavian countries even from like the rounding up of jews in riga was largely 0.58

00:40:59 anyway anyway you make a good point you make a good point all right let's move let's move on

00:41:04 from that let's move on from that um do you believe that the uh jonathan ross is horrified 0.99

00:41:12 by the david walliams allegations no i don't what a what a what a absolute pathetic bunch of lies 0.80

00:41:23 for him to say that he had no idea uh so i'm trying to find something i can i can engage in 0.50

00:41:29 rotatacism on but i can't think of anything at the moment but but um it it's it's absolutely 0.84

00:41:34 ridiculous it's ridiculous for jonathan to say that that's the case ridiculous and and and uh 0.56

00:41:41 and just wong um just no no way we all know even amongst ourselves amongst our sort of social group 0.98

00:41:50 and political group and whatever we gossip about people that uh and we know what they're up to and

00:41:57 whatever but we don't go public about it we all know that i can certainly say that with people i

00:42:01 know that are not unprominent that there's all kinds of gossip about people and things things

00:42:07 that they do we know the gossip and um and the idea that he is reasonably friendly with this guy

00:42:14 and didn't know what he was up to he made that joke in whatever year it was in the early 2000s

00:42:19 about him going out with 15 year olds as a sort of a nudge nudge wink wink joke joke against

00:42:26 walliams who he knew was in the room and and and who he knew did things like that and now they're

00:42:32 oh he didn't write the joke he just read it out and well was then who wrote the joke that person

00:42:38 must have known the gossip surely and the very fact that he was told the joke implies that he

00:42:43 knew the gossip so of course he knew of course he knew with regard to russell brand i can say

00:42:49 i knew before it all happened i had a person on my channel who told me in private not on camera

00:42:58 about what was going on with brand but he couldn't say anything in public obviously because he'd be

00:43:02 sued so i mean even i knew about it so before it came out it's sort of 2019 so just on that i may

00:43:11 as well quickly pop to our poll uh little harry do you mind bringing up the poll results for me

00:43:15 on my screen we just happened to ask that one we do a poll every day sometimes we have to sometimes

00:43:20 they're silly sometimes they're nothing connected to the news sometimes they're quite serious today

00:43:24 we asked uh the the chat how plausible do you think it is harry have you brought that up for me 0.96

00:43:30 uh okay do you suddenly more lights are flicked on as well um okay so have you got the results of

00:43:43 it or no um oh i can't oh well sorry about that forget that then we'll just move straight on

00:43:54 little Harry saying it's just not there

00:43:56 yeah the chat saying there was a poll what poll

00:43:58 it's not there now alright well

00:43:59 that's a bit of a fail we'll move on

00:44:02 we'll move on Ed

00:44:03 the poll will conclude

00:44:06 if it's asking did Jonathan Ross

00:44:08 know about it the poll will conclude that he did

00:44:10 that I'm fairly sure

00:44:12 yeah it was one of the polls where

00:44:14 sometimes I'm trying to split opinions

00:44:16 genuinely gauge what people think about it

00:44:18 because I don't know and other times I'm just trying to

00:44:20 tee them up to get like a 90% yes or

00:44:22 no answer yeah it was something like

00:44:24 How plausible do you think it is when Jonathan Ross didn't know anything?

00:44:28 Yeah.

00:44:28 Okay.

00:44:29 There was one story just that's not on the front page of the news,

00:44:32 but I thought was mildly interesting.

00:44:37 Where was it?

00:44:39 Again, the front pages have changed.

00:44:45 Okay.

00:44:45 Well, I was just going to talk about how...

00:44:48 Well, it was actually there was one on the front page.

00:44:49 It was about the state of the NHS, where there was just...

00:44:53 oh there you go the mirror not even a bed for an oap with cancer um what do you think about

00:45:03 or if i was to say make a statement something like the nhs is the funding for it is completely

00:45:09 unsustainable incompatible with open borders and no cap on migration into this country and it's

00:45:16 bankrupting or has in fact already bankrupted the country do you think that's fair or am i

00:45:23 being mad literally that is that is that is fair the the equivalent of the nhs only barely functions

00:45:30 in finland and that's with a very small amount much smaller than you have in terms of percentage

00:45:36 of foreigners and and immigrants and immigration and all all this sort of thing and and if it and

00:45:42 in finland you have to pay as well you've got to pay 30 euros to see a doctor you've got to pay

00:45:46 about 60 euros to see a senior doctor you've got to pay per night to be in hospital i don't know

00:45:51 much it is per night 60 euros per night that you're there up to a cap of 600 euros per year

00:45:57 so even it the model in the uk is so much more generous that you oh and in finland

00:46:03 prescription charges vary according to the cost of the medicine so the finnish health service will

00:46:09 pay 60 or something of the cost of your medicine and you pay the rest so if you've got an expensive

00:46:16 medicine well it just costs more although to be fair if you've got a cheap medicine it costs less

00:46:21 whereas in in in in the uk there's just a standard charge of 10 quid or whatever it is no matter how

00:46:27 much or how little the medicine costs um it seems to me yeah it's it's potentially sustainable in

00:46:33 in two contexts one where there's no mass immigration and so people don't mind paying

00:46:39 for it because they feel they're paying for themselves i mean what what your ethnic group

00:46:43 is is your extended genetic family so there's this feeling that you're paying for your extended

00:46:47 genetic family. Right. That's the first thing. The second thing is the context in which it was

00:46:52 created was a context in which that genetic extended family had been strongly bonded together

00:46:59 by the experience of war twice over the period of 1914 to 1945. So it was a it was an extended

00:47:08 genetic family that was strongly bonded together by shared trauma. And thirdly, it was in a context

00:47:16 in 1945 in which the national health service it couldn't really do that well four four things

00:47:22 actually i'm underreaching myself thirdly it was in a context in which the nhs couldn't really do

00:47:27 that much it couldn't do all the complicated and expensive things that it can do now that have to

00:47:33 be free it could just do basic sort of stuff it couldn't it couldn't it couldn't keep you alive

00:47:38 on a life support machine for years and years in 1945 or any any anything like that um and and

00:47:45 And finally, the fourth issue is morbidity, i.e. that you get these people that live for ages and ages and ages and ages,

00:47:56 but are kept alive by the NHS, that are ill long term from diabetes or whatever.

00:48:04 Whereas in the old days, those people would just die.

00:48:07 So you have these four issues, which meant that the NHS was completely possible in the 40s, 50s, 60s.

00:48:14 but it is not sustainable.

00:48:17 You have to change.

00:48:18 You have to change all four of those issues.

00:48:21 Yeah.

00:48:21 No, absolutely.

00:48:22 I mean, so what Attlee brings it in in, what, 1947 or 48?

00:48:26 Was it something like that?

00:48:27 Yeah.

00:48:27 That was a response to really a generation earlier,

00:48:31 the interwar years of the 20s and 30s, the Depression,

00:48:36 where after the war, people were saying,

00:48:39 we're done with war and we're done with the Depression

00:48:42 and of the interwar years, we want something new.

00:48:47 We want some sort of, well, socialist ability to go from cradle to grave

00:48:52 and be coddled by the state from cradle to grave.

00:48:54 Okay, all right.

00:48:55 So it's in the late 40s, and it's a response to the world of the 20s and 30s.

00:49:01 It's 100 years later now.

00:49:03 We're 100 years later.

00:49:04 It's completely everything you said.

00:49:06 Everything you said there.

00:49:07 Absolutely right.

00:49:08 Yeah, we're not living in that world on a number of levels.

00:49:13 The number of people, what the NHS can actually do,

00:49:15 people just simply living longer, all that sort of thing.

00:49:18 I mean, it's bankrupted, or has in fact already bankrupted the nation.

00:49:21 We're in debt to the tune of £3 trillion.

00:49:23 It's an article of faith as well.

00:49:25 It's an article of faith.

00:49:27 You can't question it.

00:49:28 You can't question it.

00:49:29 Now, I can see the point.

00:49:32 Let's say we say, OK, you have to pay £20 to see a doctor,

00:49:36 to have an appointment with a GP.

00:49:38 Let's say we bring that in. 1.00

00:49:39 now the problem is that of course these greedy bastards they can't just leave things alone can 1.00

00:49:45 they they always want more they're selfish and nasty and the tuition fees at university were an 1.00

00:49:51 example of that they said okay we'll charge you a thousand pounds a year that's not that much

00:49:55 mummy and daddy will pay that thousand pounds a year and that was fine and then but then almost

00:50:00 as soon as that was in then you had the better university saying oh surely our degrees are worth

00:50:04 more and so you should have to pay more no you do well at school you get into a good university

00:50:10 you shouldn't be financially punished for being clever and being hard working but that's what

00:50:15 they were bringing in so then it became three thousand by i don't know when it was exactly

00:50:19 top-up fees and then it's this absurd thing ludicrous thing which mummy and daddy can't pay

00:50:25 of of ten thousand and putting people in debt and all this kind of thing so there's always it will

00:50:29 always be a slippery slope if we bring in 20 pounds see a gp sooner it'll be 40 pounds 50

00:50:35 pounds it'll keep going and that's why i can see an argument in favor of of uh of just not bringing

00:50:41 in these fees or um bringing in these fees and literally making it a criminal offense to argue

00:50:46 they should increase but that would be a massive restriction on free speech so they can't do that

00:50:49 okay one last story before we go to on this day in history i don't know if you want to stay for

00:50:56 that you don't feel obliged to.

00:50:57 I'd like to have you if you want that segment.

00:51:00 One last story, though, here.

00:51:01 The NVIDIA thing, the NVIDIA CEO, this guy,

00:51:05 was it Jensen Huang, is the Huang,

00:51:08 how do you pronounce that?

00:51:09 The CEO of NVIDIA, you know,

00:51:11 worth something like $4.5 trillion,

00:51:13 and he's had an affair with a Chinese spy.

00:51:17 Some might characterise her as a Chinese spy.

00:51:19 Apparently now, breaking news, this news cycle,

00:51:22 there's a second affair with, apparently, this woman,

00:51:24 and the NVIDIA, the other powers inside NVIDIA

00:51:29 are looking to sort of get rid of him.

00:51:31 The question I wanted to ask you is, 1.00

00:51:34 are you surprised that he's Taiwanese,

00:51:35 he was born in Taiwan, so Chinese basically,

00:51:38 but moved to America at some point in his childhood,

00:51:42 now considers himself an American. 0.92

00:51:44 Are you surprised that he would have fell into a honey trap 0.55

00:51:49 or perhaps even happily had an affair with a Chinese spy. 0.75

00:51:55 No, I'm not surprised at all because as I look at it in my book, 0.99

00:51:58 Borderline Genius, Borderline Insane, men think with their cocks 0.97

00:52:01 and very high-status men in particular think with their cocks. 0.95

00:52:06 What makes you a very high-status man normally is that you combine

00:52:10 very high intelligence with moderately antisocial traits

00:52:14 and those moderately antisocial traits reflect the fact

00:52:17 that you are moderately fast life history strategic and those anti-social traits of course

00:52:22 they make you cut throats and they make you take risks and they all of these things that come

00:52:27 together to make you a very high status but they also mean that you probably have a very high sex

00:52:31 drive and a very strongly socio-sexual and sexually motivated and so I'm not at all surprised that he

00:52:36 would have an affair and that's why the Soviets used to use these highly trap operations on high

00:52:41 status people because I'm sure they understood the psychology of these very high status people

00:52:45 which is that sex is their Achilles heel, essentially,

00:52:49 because they will be more highly sexed than, you know,

00:52:52 the sort of middle-class kind of people. 1.00

00:52:54 And so, therefore, they can be induced to make stupid decisions on that basis. 0.99

00:52:59 It is interesting, though, isn't it? 0.99

00:53:00 Like, when you realise that, not always, but often,

00:53:04 to be successful in life, in the world, in the most general sense I'm talking now,

00:53:08 to be successful, if you're not given everything on a plate, 1.00

00:53:11 if you're not a nepo baby, you're going to have to be relative, 0.97

00:53:14 of like a risk taker i mean you take even someone like elon musk a number of times in his career

00:53:20 he's had to go all in with something put everything on the line a number of times and usually that's

00:53:25 the case if you want to be a success and you come from almost nothing then you're gonna have to take

00:53:30 a bunch of risks well well well well you have to be a risk taker you'll have to be cutthroat you'll

00:53:35 have to be machiavellian you'll have to have a sort of charisma and stuff so that people worship

00:53:40 even think you're great so sort of a narcissism yeah all of these kind of traits um that will

00:53:44 make you but even if you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth you'll probably have those

00:53:48 traits anyway because they're strongly genetic so you you can either therefore you can be someone

00:53:54 like trump who's born rich and you have to be able to sustain the wealth rather than lose it

00:54:00 and maybe even get even more wealthy uh like trump in comparison to his father so i one of the things

00:54:07 that really stuck out at me naive state school boy uh that i am was when i went to a very posh

00:54:13 university one of the things that stuck out was how many people that were from the private schools

00:54:18 and the public schools by the time they were 18 their parents were divorced almost all of them

00:54:24 seemed to have divorced parents of the public school boys or public school boys public school

00:54:30 boys whereas whereas those of us that were for sort of middle class backgrounds whose parents

00:54:34 were teachers and doctors and things like that our parents weren't divorced but it was this it

00:54:39 was these very high status people that've been to eton and whatever their parents always divorced

00:54:43 but that fits that makes sense because that's what the upper class are there's literal studies on

00:54:48 literally the nature of the upper class in different countries they are more anti-social

00:54:52 in certain traits than the middle class and that's what makes them send above the middle class that

00:54:58 they that they are that they are more anti-social and that makes them original it makes them

00:55:02 creative it makes them cutthroat operators it makes them narcissistic and thus they're able

00:55:07 to manipulate people and all this sort of thing so it doesn't surprise me that very high status 0.57

00:55:12 people and people like obviously a good example of it is the perfumo affair the very high aristocratic 0.84

00:55:19 very high sales people are brought down um by their cocks it is funny isn't it that the funny 0.67

00:55:26 interesting rather than funny haha uh that the very same traits that could make someone a complete 0.96

00:55:31 loser like a degenerate gambler drug addict the same sorts of traits slightly tweaked could make

00:55:37 your highly successful ceo making a huge not even slightly tweaked not even slightly tweaked but 0.98

00:55:43 combined with high intelligence and then the high intelligence um militates against some of the more

00:55:51 negative or some of the traits that are more likely to be your undoing that are related to

00:55:59 being moderately antisocial it kind of it kind of deals with some of those so intelligence is

00:56:04 associated for example with being uh future oriented or with high empathy or with with

00:56:10 with various other traits that will balance out some of the negative traits of being moderately

00:56:15 antisocial giving you only the positive traits in terms of achievement of being moderately

00:56:20 antisocial so there was a guy called satoshi kanazawa at the london school of economics that

00:56:25 made that very point he said that what the highly creative genius type is is basically a criminal

00:56:31 optimally combined with very high intelligence it's fascinating to me while you're talking i'm

00:56:38 thinking of some or some of the greats like let's say alexander the great julius caesar and napoleon

00:56:45 right all very very fast life types massive risk takers going all in again and again and again with

00:56:54 other people's lives and you know you know the history again again again in a slightly different

00:56:59 time and place with maybe perhaps slightly less intelligence could have just been as i say a

00:57:06 degenerate gambler just it's the difference between the genius the level of intelligence

00:57:12 in balance with the extent of your moderately anti-social personality traits that balance

00:57:18 is the difference between a genius like a brilliant absolute genius amazing you know

00:57:23 a person that comes up with an incredible breakthrough

00:57:25 and whatever, and a kind of weird

00:57:28 drifter, 0.92

00:57:29 peculiar, eccentric, 0.96

00:57:32 you know, Jonathan Bowden type.

00:57:34 Between the genius

00:57:35 and what you might call the semi-genius,

00:57:37 or the could-have-been-a-genius, but he wasn't.

00:57:41 It's

00:57:42 that kind of difference, yeah.

00:57:44 Okay, Little Harry,

00:57:45 my screens have gone off here, so if they don't come back,

00:57:47 I just simply won't be able to do Supertractor and Rubberettes.

00:57:49 I'll leave that up to Little Harry.

00:57:51 Do you mind staying for a little bit longer?

00:57:53 I've got up early in the morning,

00:57:56 so I'm perfectly happy to stay.

00:57:59 Let's make the most of it then.

00:58:00 All right, well, about this time in the show,

00:58:02 seeing as we haven't got the poll either,

00:58:04 I'll go on to On This Day in History,

00:58:05 probably my favourite bit of the show.

00:58:07 On this day, the 12th of November,

00:58:08 down through the centuries,

00:58:09 what happened of now?

00:58:10 OK, let's quickly rip through them.

00:58:11 Apparently on this day,

00:58:12 I didn't know anything about this one,

00:58:13 in the year 764 AD, I suppose,

00:58:16 the Tibetan troops occupied Chang'an

00:58:19 for 15 days,

00:58:20 the capital of the Chinese Tang dynasty.

00:58:22 I'm afraid 8th century Chinese history is not my wheelhouse.

00:58:27 Do you know anything about that, Ed?

00:58:28 No?

00:58:29 No?

00:58:29 All right, we'll move on from that one.

00:58:30 A bit more, though.

00:58:31 This one's interesting.

00:58:32 Ben-Hur, 1880, best-selling American novel,

00:58:36 Ben-Hur, A Tale of the Christ, by soldier Lou Wallace, is published.

00:58:40 I know a little bit about it.

00:58:41 There's a famous 1959, 1960 film with Charlton Heston, of course,

00:58:45 which I've seen a number of times.

00:58:46 There's an older black-and-white 1920s, I think, 1920s version of it,

00:58:49 But the original novel was, well, as you can see there, 1880.

00:58:53 And the guy that wrote it was a war hero, an American Civil War general.

00:58:58 You ever knew it was based on a novel?

00:59:00 I didn't know that.

00:59:01 It's news to me.

00:59:03 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:04 Do you like the film, the Charlton Heston film?

00:59:06 Or does it bore you?

00:59:07 Vague memory of it being on telly about Easter 1990.

00:59:13 I'll add a bit of a look at it, maybe.

00:59:15 I can't really comment.

00:59:15 It's one of those films it felt like to me it was on all the time.

00:59:18 Not all the time, but like Zulu seemed to be on quite a lot.

00:59:23 It felt like Ben-Hur was on quite a lot.

00:59:24 And now it's never on.

00:59:25 Now they'd never show it.

00:59:27 No, well, they don't.

00:59:28 Because old things are now newer, aren't they?

00:59:30 I mean, it's 30 years later.

00:59:32 So it's the things that are 30 years old.

00:59:35 Maybe there's some kind of rule that if it's beyond about 30 or 40 years old.

00:59:38 Do you remember when we were kids how much black and white telly there was?

00:59:41 Yeah.

00:59:41 If they had to fill the schedule and it was 30 years ago or something or 40 years ago,

00:59:46 so there'd be black and white stuff.

00:59:47 There's hardly any black and white stuff, I'll tell you now.

00:59:50 True, yeah.

00:59:51 I remember watching black and white episodes of Stepton Sun or whatever, yeah.

00:59:55 Yeah, now there's things from the 90s.

00:59:58 Yeah, well, makes sense, yeah.

01:00:00 Okay, on this day, 1927, Trotsky is expelled from the Soviet Communist Party,

01:00:05 paving the way for old Joe Stalin, Yuga Shili, to consolidate power. 0.51

01:00:11 I think that's a very, very interesting power struggle in history

01:00:15 between Trotsky and Stalin.

01:00:17 how different the 20th century might have been

01:00:21 if Trotsky had been successful in that power struggle.

01:00:25 Do you think Trotsky would have played it very, very differently to Stalin

01:00:29 had he become basically the leader of Russia?

01:00:32 He was a total fanatic, so I don't know.

01:00:36 In terms of killing people, I don't know how different it would have been.

01:00:40 In April 22, I went to Trotsky's house in Mexico City,

01:00:44 to the exact room where he was murdered with an ice pick.

01:00:47 really there's a there's a there's a photo of me somewhere doing doing that and and uh in front of

01:00:53 the exact place where he was murdered with an ice pick um yeah um but um yeah it was either going to

01:01:00 see that or the the koalo koelo artist with the mono brow uh her her house is just over the road

01:01:07 frida carlo yeah that's the one yeah there's there's two options on the same street um there 0.92

01:01:13 There was the Frida Cuella, which had a massive queue outside it.

01:01:16 And there was the Trotsky house. 1.00

01:01:19 I think you made the right decision.

01:01:21 I would much rather go to that house where Trotsky was murdered. 0.98

01:01:24 Frida Carlo's painting is ridiculous. 0.99

01:01:27 Small child ability. 0.99

01:01:30 I hate that stuff.

01:01:31 I hate that stuff. 0.90

01:01:32 You're not good.

01:01:33 You're not good at painting.

01:01:35 Anyway, I'm very interested in Leon Trotsky.

01:01:39 and he's like a complete utter utter crazy crazy psychopath person as well would he have been very

01:01:46 different would he have been a great war leader in world war ii had he been at the helm during 0.90

01:01:50 that time and anyone who doesn't know well was it in the 40s finally was it after the war even

01:01:57 that trotsky was finally murdered in mexico when was it i'm not sure i'm not sure can can you ask

01:02:04 the Jews was a checker. It was many 0.91

01:02:06 years after 1927 though wasn't it

01:02:08 Trotsky wasn't

01:02:10 murdered right away at all. Okay

01:02:12 on this day in 1942 the Battle of the Guadal

01:02:14 Canal begins between Allied and Japanese naval

01:02:16 forces in the Solomon Islands

01:02:18 US forces prevail after days of intense

01:02:20 fighting. I'm fascinated by

01:02:21 the war in the Pacific over the last

01:02:24 I never used to be particularly but over the last 10 years

01:02:26 maybe 10-15 years I've

01:02:28 read more and more and more about and around

01:02:30 the war in the Pacific. The Guadal

01:02:32 Canal campaign is a really important one but in 1942 the Imperial Japanese Navy is still

01:02:38 absolutely formidable and that was a hard fought battle at the Guadal Canal both sides losing

01:02:44 quite a lot of ships and thousands of men at a side. Are you interested much in the war in the

01:02:49 Pacific? Well yeah only I mean my granddad used to tell me when he was when I was a kid about

01:02:55 how unbelievably cruelly the japanese forces treated to british british men um and he also

01:03:02 told me that koreans were even worse were even nastier to the to the captives and the japanese

01:03:08 um but the the the cruelty they had they had absolutely no compassion whatsoever for their 1.00

01:03:15 there was no geneva convention they didn't care about such things whereas at least the germans

01:03:19 if you were captured by the germans i get the impression that they they they treated you pretty

01:03:24 reasonably so it's interesting sorry yes carry on um something we mentioned earlier in this show

01:03:31 it's interesting that sometimes it's some of the subject peoples of the nazis that were the most

01:03:38 cruel for example belarusian or ukrainian people working on behalf of the german state were the

01:03:45 most cruel prison guards and things exactly that like the koreans working on behalf of the imperial

01:03:52 Japanese were ultra cruel and unusual it's interesting to note isn't it well in the 0.96

01:03:59 concentration camps I forget the word they the word for it but they used to get Jewish people 0.99

01:04:05 to guard their own people and and those people were particularly cruel and nasty to other to 0.78

01:04:12 other Jews in in return for the certain privileges and whatever yeah the Zonda commando the Zonda 0.95

01:04:20 commando yeah jews running the infrastructure of concentration camps yeah there's a word for it but 0.95

01:04:26 um but but yeah then of course if those people were ever demoted then they would be killed by 0.95

01:04:31 their fellow jews immediately in the most part yeah so they had to stay on time um perhaps zonda

01:04:38 commando is a broader term but anyway so that was part of it anyway okay um on this day in 1966 buzz

01:04:45 Aldrin takes the first space walk or space selfie they've decided to call it here a photo of himself

01:04:50 performing extra vehicular activity in space during the Gemini 12 mission so I'm fascinated

01:04:57 by space there's you've got the Mercury program then the Gemini program and then the Apollo program

01:05:02 I must say I must say I watch the Lotus Eaters live every day when I'm cooking the dinner because

01:05:08 we have dinner quite early here in Finland about four o'clock or whatever so I watch it live and I

01:05:12 was particularly fascinated by your debate with dan over over what planets and moons you should

01:05:20 live on a couple of days ago yeah it was fun and i it was brilliant i didn't realize the idea that

01:05:25 you could live on venus and by by in a floating city and and all all this sort of thing and then

01:05:31 and then comparing each one of them to a kind of a a town the lotterdam or whatever i thought that

01:05:37 i thought that was fascinating let's do more like that more completely manly discussions of

01:05:42 hypothetical what planet you can live in or which animal would win in a fight against another animal

01:05:47 or whatever we need more of that thing i think that's a stuff we quite often do what we call

01:05:51 lads hour don't we every friday or every other friday at least dan tubb is very very good at

01:05:56 thinking up um ideas for that he's very very good at that um you are one of the people one of those

01:06:01 people like myself who believes we do go into space low earth orbit and did in fact land on

01:06:08 the moon in the apollo era aren't you yeah i believe in things like empirical evidence yeah

01:06:14 right yeah say no more what else is there to be said yeah right these mad people that think

01:06:22 there was some giant conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands of people sworn to silence and

01:06:28 no I don't yeah I don't uh I'm not I'm not so into that no people say Harry bring that picture

01:06:33 up people say that's fake that's phony that's that's not Buzz Aldrin actually in low earth

01:06:37 orbit that's that's fake that's a fake that that's easily done I'm sure they did all right

01:06:44 couple more factors here or three more factors real quick on this day 1968 US Supreme Court

01:06:48 Epperson Epperson versus Arkansas declares unconstitutional the Arkansas law banning

01:06:56 the teaching of evolution in public schools so there you go i love that i love that there's a

01:07:03 in um the onion there's an onion you know the onion there's there's there's an onion article

01:07:08 that satirizes that it's about the teaching of science like why on earth are we teaching science

01:07:13 in our public schools what kind of a society teaches ignorant people to have opinions and 0.55

01:07:19 to question things deference deference to their betters that's what they should be taught the

01:07:24 very idea of it let us ban the teaching of science in our schools again i'm one of those people i i

01:07:32 i think the origin if you ever read the origin of the species or more importantly the voyage of the

01:07:37 not more importantly but for me a better read is the voyage of the beagle oh you're right ed ed's

01:07:41 out he's done had enough it was in this this this satire it was in this book ah um no it's very

01:07:49 very good our dumb century no it was it's very very good what year was the stokes monkey trial

01:07:57 sorry say that again sorry i spoke over you there was the stopes the the monkey trial was

01:08:01 in the 20s i'm trying to remember when it was i'm not sure i'm afraid have you ever read the voyage

01:08:07 of the beagle by charles darwin it's very it's a good read it's a really interesting read it reads

01:08:12 more like a novel of course it's not fiction but that's it's like the the origin of the species is

01:08:16 There's a bit dry.

01:08:17 Well, it's quite dry.

01:08:19 Whereas The Voyage of the Beagle, I think, is a good story.

01:08:21 Anyway, if anyone's in two minds, I suggest The Descent of Man.

01:08:25 The Descent of Man, that's well written.

01:08:27 That's very well written.

01:08:28 Is that more of an essay?

01:08:29 I'm not sure I've ever...

01:08:30 Is that more like an essay, or is it a full book?

01:08:34 Yeah, it's a full book.

01:08:35 It's basically on dysgenics.

01:08:38 Yeah, that's very good.

01:08:41 Okay, last two factors here.

01:08:42 On this day in 1970, Cyclone Bohola, probably pronouncing that incorrectly,

01:08:45 makes landfall in East Pakistan, which is now called Bangladesh,

01:08:49 cleaning up to half a million people,

01:08:50 making it the deadliest tropical cyclone ever recorded.

01:08:54 I'm surprised they haven't blamed that on Britain somehow by this point.

01:08:57 But there you go, nothing more to say about that

01:08:59 other than that it was obviously a tragedy.

01:09:01 And on this day, 1990, the World Wide Web

01:09:03 is first proposed by CERN computer scientists

01:09:06 Tim Berners-Lee and Robert Kalilau.

01:09:09 Do you think it's... I've always thought it funny

01:09:11 to this day when tim berners lee is is given the accolade of inventing the internet that's not

01:09:18 really what happened um you got any thoughts on tim berners lee well no it's it's often i don't

01:09:27 know who invented the internet but it's it's often the person that puts a great deal into it and

01:09:32 popularizes it who ends up being who ends up being remembered right and the person that actually came

01:09:38 up with the idea like the person that came up with the idea of the text message that's just

01:09:43 sort of obscure finished guy that works for nokia and when he when he came up with it he didn't

01:09:48 understand being finished and being all humble and modest he didn't understand the full significance

01:09:52 of what he'd done at all but that was just sort of obscure finished guy that invented the text

01:09:59 message but then it's other innovations based on it that people that get get get remembered and

01:10:04 it's the same with the internet he didn't invent it but he kind of popular like even evolutionary

01:10:07 theory and the idea that we descend from

01:10:09 a proto-monkey. It wasn't

01:10:12 Darwin that came up with that.

01:10:14 It was Lord Mombodo

01:10:15 over a hundred years earlier.

01:10:18 It was Lord Mombodo.

01:10:19 It was Lord Mombodo. James

01:10:22 Burnett, a Scottish

01:10:24 judge, Lord Mombodo in the sort of

01:10:25 mid-18th century. He came up with it

01:10:28 and he was laughed out of the park. What a ridiculous 0.99

01:10:29 idea. To be fair, Lord Mombodo was 0.99

01:10:31 a bit wacky. He was a nudist and he

01:10:33 only rode on horseback. He refused

01:10:36 to ride in carriages. He was a bit crazy. 0.95

01:10:37 But he came up with this idea that we were a kind of ape.

01:10:41 But it was Charles Darwin that then gets all the credit.

01:10:43 It's often what happens with these things.

01:10:45 Yeah, no, very much, very often the way that history

01:10:47 or sort of armchair history anyway,

01:10:49 sort of remembers the wrong person.

01:10:53 Yeah, it's loads of times.

01:10:54 Exactly, he remembers the kind of big brother charismatic

01:10:58 bullshitter like Charles Darwin

01:10:59 and forgets the humble, modest eccentric like Lord Mombardo.

01:11:04 thing that's wrong was uh sir walter riley credited with sort of bringing tobacco and

01:11:09 potatoes back to the from the new world to the old world so no someone did it quite a while before

01:11:15 he was wasn't the first person to but that's what people remember their sort of the armchair history

01:11:19 and so that's what yeah there was that mummy there was that there was that mummified mummy

01:11:24 that egyptian mummy that had tobacco in it evidence of tobacco really i didn't know that

01:11:30 Ancient Egyptian mummy smoking tobacco?

01:11:32 Yeah. 0.64

01:11:33 Well, not the mummy.

01:11:33 Yeah.

01:11:34 So we went to America ages ago.

01:11:37 Like the ancient Greeks were seemingly aware of America,

01:11:40 as you will discover when my brilliant book comes out next year

01:11:43 on ancient lost civilizations.

01:11:47 Okay, I'm not sure about that. 1.00

01:11:48 Or there is the Olmec heads, aren't there,

01:11:51 where there's, in Mesoamerica, Central America, 1.00

01:11:55 those big stone heads. 1.00

01:11:56 Yeah, they've all got the Olmec heads, and they've all got cigars. 1.00

01:11:58 they've all got cigars in their mouths 1.00

01:12:00 they are but I mean you joke but they are 1.00

01:12:02 clearly of a sub-Saharan

01:12:04 African phenotype though aren't they

01:12:06 in Mesoamerica

01:12:07 you know about those?

01:12:09 yeah yeah I know what you mean

01:12:12 so it seems like

01:12:13 people did cross the

01:12:16 it seems like

01:12:17 alright

01:12:18 Ed that's the last

01:12:21 of the factoids

01:12:24 this morning so I shall say

01:12:26 thank you very much for joining me

01:12:28 And I genuinely mean that

01:12:30 You're welcome back whenever you please

01:12:32 On this show

01:12:33 And just let people know

01:12:34 You're actually coming over to England next week

01:12:37 You'll be live in the studio

01:12:39 For the main podcast of Low Seaters next week

01:12:40 On Tuesday next week

01:12:42 And if you want to plug anything

01:12:44 Any book you've got out

01:12:45 Or your channels and your shows

01:12:47 The Jolly Heretic is my channel on YouTube

01:12:50 And on the old Substack

01:12:51 And then my new book is Borderline Genius

01:12:53 Borderline Insane

01:12:54 Understanding Borderline Personile Disorder

01:12:56 and how female-born lines have shaped history.

01:13:00 But then I'm finishing another book,

01:13:01 which I might try and plug when I'm in Swindon,

01:13:03 on the paranormal.

01:13:04 But I'm just finishing that now.

01:13:06 But all right, tally-ho.

01:13:09 Thanks, Bo. Bye.

01:13:10 Thank you very much.

01:13:11 See you. Bye-bye.

01:13:13 There you go, Professor Ed Dutton there.

01:13:16 The Lord Dutton, First Viscount Dutton.

01:13:20 He's not actually ennobled.

01:13:22 I'm making that big up.

01:13:22 He is a professor, though.

01:13:24 Anyway, that's the thing.

01:13:25 Harry, what's the time?

01:13:26 Because I haven't even got the time.

01:13:29 It is 13 minutes past nine.

01:13:32 13.

01:13:33 Okay, well, there's been one or two glitches this morning, haven't there?

01:13:37 Our poll, that didn't work.

01:13:38 I think that was YouTube, though.

01:13:39 Wasn't that YouTube having some sort of hissy fit?

01:13:41 It wasn't us, was it?

01:13:42 Yeah, no, so YouTube had a bit of a breakdown.

01:13:45 But it is back up now.

01:13:47 Okay, what isn't up, though, Harry, is my screens here.

01:13:50 They're completely dead and have been for at least the last 10 or 15 minutes.

01:13:53 They're just black.

01:13:54 There's nothing.

01:13:56 which means i can't oh we've got a workaround i was about to say i'll just start bringing the

01:14:01 show to a close because i just can't see your rumble rants and soup chats but little harry

01:14:06 is bringing it up for me on the big screens so bear with me bear with us and we'll do that we

01:14:11 need to sort this out i mean it's samson isn't it and maybe thomas that needs to sort it out but

01:14:16 it's not really acceptable anyway give us a few more moments harry can you bring the rumble rants

01:14:22 across at the moment my screen is just full of the youtube ones want to do the rumble rants first

01:14:25 Okay, there we go.

01:14:26 All right.

01:14:27 Thanks for bearing with us.

01:14:28 Let's have a look.

01:14:29 Is it going to be a good day with Global Church History?

01:14:31 Number one.

01:14:31 It is raining, defending and still.

01:14:35 Global Church History.

01:14:36 Okay, let's get on with it.

01:14:38 He says, 0.66

01:14:40 Happy King St. Erwolder of the Britons Day.

01:14:46 Is that King Wolder of the Welsh?

01:14:48 Or the bit of land that goes on to become Wales?

01:14:50 Is it the Kingdom of Gwynedd?

01:14:54 I'm probably pronouncing that wrong.

01:14:55 Whenever you try and pronounce a Welsh word, the Welsh word.

01:14:57 Oh, you don't, please. 0.99

01:14:59 You don't even try to pronounce it.

01:15:01 Is that King Walader of Wales, that one?

01:15:06 Is it his day today?

01:15:08 OK, didn't know that.

01:15:10 All right, you go and say,

01:15:11 Today, in 1187, Saladin besieged Tyre.

01:15:15 And, oh, in the other one.

01:15:16 So, Saladin besieged Tyre.

01:15:17 I think I've got long-form content all about the Third Crusade.

01:15:19 That's the Third Crusade, that one.

01:15:20 That's the one with Richard the Lionheart, Richard III, the Coeur de Lyon.

01:15:23 He failed, though, didn't he, if memory serves?

01:15:27 Saladin, he tried to besiege Tyre.

01:15:29 What is it, Conrad of Montferrat is defending Tyre.

01:15:35 There have been lots of sieges in Tyre over the years.

01:15:39 Alexander besieged Tyre.

01:15:43 Like 1,400, 1,500 years before that.

01:15:47 Lots of stuff has gone down at Tyre.

01:15:49 I'd quite like to visit it.

01:15:51 Isn't it in modern-day Lebanon?

01:15:52 Maybe I'll go on holiday with Farras there one day. 0.97

01:15:54 Okay, and the other one is, yeah, Saladin failed.

01:15:57 Yeah, Conrad kept Saladin out.

01:15:59 He gave up and just retired to Acre after that, didn't he, if memory serves?

01:16:03 Okay, the other factoid you've got us here is,

01:16:05 on this day in 1940, Molotov arrived in Berlin

01:16:09 to discuss whether the USSR could join the Axis powers.

01:16:15 So, okay, all from memory, 0.70

01:16:18 The actual Nazi-Soviet pact has already happened,

01:16:22 because that's 1938 or 1939, isn't it? 0.57

01:16:25 So they're already a member of the...

01:16:27 The Nazi-Soviet pact is already a thing, 0.74

01:16:30 but Barbarossa hasn't started yet.

01:16:32 That's in 1941, isn't it?

01:16:33 That's the summer of 1941.

01:16:36 So it's in that window. 0.59

01:16:38 They're supposed to be friends, the Soviets and the Nazis. 0.60

01:16:42 Molotov going to Berlin and discussing

01:16:44 whether they could have closer ties.

01:16:46 can can can the USSR be a part of Hitler's apparently never-ending success at that point

01:16:55 in history and I believe the Nazis were just like yeah I don't think so mate on your bike 0.83

01:17:01 effectively and then like what one year later not even that six months later seven months later

01:17:06 Operation Barbarossa yeah we're not really friends Molotov talking to Ribbentrop Molotov

01:17:14 talking to hitler yeah we're not really friends though mate all right thanks for the uh thanks 1.00

01:17:21 for the factoids there next one is belgians the next one is belgians are evil trust me that's 0.99

01:17:25 what they've called themselves belgians are evil trust me says dr dutton do you have oh i'm sorry 1.00

01:17:29 if you've got questions for ed he's gone he won't be able to answer oh there's a question for ed 1.00

01:17:35 though he says dr dutton do you have any comments on female in-group preference and then you put

01:17:40 in brackets four times more according to study question mark not a fan of brand uh but even in

01:17:47 cornell seven case women are completely dismissive of due process for men is that the cornell

01:17:53 university there was some sex crime or alleged rapes going on there okay i'm sorry well hopefully

01:17:59 you got ed dutton's thoughts and feelings about about feminism and russell brand and things okay

01:18:06 The next one is Rigid Sock for Badger, who says, have a look at the persecution of the SASR in Australia.

01:18:16 Reservists? SASR? Australian SAS.

01:18:20 On missions to kill stroke capture in that exact order because the targets are dangerous, yet later being investigated for murder later.

01:18:28 I know the story of an Australian SAS dude who got the Victoria Cross

01:18:32 and was just hailed as a straight up and down war hero.

01:18:38 And then they've tried to drag him through the courts

01:18:41 and accused him of murder and things.

01:18:42 A Victoria Cross winner.

01:18:44 Yeah, it's because the left can't let us have any heroes, can they?

01:18:49 They won't even put Zulu on TV anymore. 0.96

01:18:53 There's a big, strong, white, Anglo war hero 0.99

01:18:57 Super brave war hero 1.00

01:18:59 We've got to drag him down 1.00

01:19:00 We've got to destroy him 1.00

01:19:01 Character assassinate him 1.00

01:19:03 Put him in prison if we can 0.95

01:19:04 Yeah

01:19:05 Yeah

01:19:06 That's leftism for you

01:19:07 Okay

01:19:08 Fallen Firebird says

01:19:09 The EU has two key interlinked issues

01:19:13 It's managerial technocratic governance

01:19:16 And more importantly

01:19:17 It's anti-white liberal globalism 0.85

01:19:19 If we had a based EU 1.00

01:19:21 I would be an absolute advocate for it

01:19:24 Fair enough?

01:19:25 Fair point?

01:19:25 i would still like ultimate sovereignty to be in westminster not brussels you make a fair point

01:19:32 the first part of what you've said they're absolutely 100 percent 1000 correct 1.00

01:19:36 okay next one is belgian next two next three next three are all belgians are evil trust me again 1.00

01:19:43 if i read the morning one go if you don't mind you've put super chatted or alron mcintyre today 0.99

01:19:48 when nick dixon was on nick claimed he didn't know about frisian belgian and female flatulence

01:19:55 quotes will you talk to him maybe he's being queer because he's secretly super based on these

01:20:02 topics okay if and then you put if ed does not stay for super chats means bo is again suppressing

01:20:09 ed's new research about half of dutch low country saxon half uh australian males being the best

01:20:15 lovers love you bo but seriously censorship i just i was just saying i can't i can't let ed

01:20:23 to be involved in the super chat bit.

01:20:26 I know you're only mucking about.

01:20:28 I know you're only mucking about.

01:20:29 Okay, the last one here you said,

01:20:31 Ed, Finn's party seemed to have been much more based

01:20:35 under previous male leader Le Pen, Hansen, Australia,

01:20:40 and Weedle, Germany, AFD,

01:20:42 all seemingly going the way of Milk Toast, Farage, and Maloney.

01:20:46 Sad. Europe lost, question mark?

01:20:48 I guess you wanted Ed to answer that, so I'm sorry.

01:20:50 But yeah, I feel like, yeah,

01:20:51 The milquetoast-farage-maloney axis

01:20:54 Pulling a Boris but to a slightly less degree

01:20:58 Pretending you're a based and nativist

01:21:01 Working for the interests of the people and the nation

01:21:04 And then just simply not

01:21:06 Would I put it past Weedle at the AFD

01:21:09 Or Le Pen at National Rally to pull that trick?

01:21:12 No

01:21:13 I wouldn't put it past them

01:21:15 I just hope not

01:21:16 I just hope not

01:21:17 Okay, the next one is from Pigdog5150

01:21:21 He says, Faraz and Auron weren't sure why Trump called Epstein a hoax.

01:21:26 Robert Barnes says, people like Susie Wiles told Trump

01:21:29 that the Democrats had put Trump in the files to incriminate him, hence why hoax.

01:21:35 Right.

01:21:38 Was Faraz on Auron, was he, the other day?

01:21:42 Okay. 0.97

01:21:42 The next one is Belgian, if you'll trust me again, who says, 0.84

01:21:45 Ed, your highly intelligent friend Lipton...

01:21:50 is lipton highly intelligent has had notorious audio issues on your joint streams

01:21:56 is he secretly playing 4d chess hoping to get you more super chats out of sympathy for his audio

01:22:01 issues lipton will have to answer that i'm afraid uh next one is pig dog five one next two next to 0.82

01:22:08 a pig dog again who says this was obviously a lie i don't know exactly what you're referring to 0.61

01:22:12 hopefully you go on to explain this was obviously a lie oh you're talking about epstein the trump 0.99

01:22:16 hoax epstein thing this was obviously a liar and this is why trump failed on epstein once again

01:22:21 he listened to the wrong people as others were telling him he wasn't incriminated uh he was

01:22:26 mentioned but it exonerated him and then you go and say the epstein files exonerated trump

01:22:30 as the mentions of him were epstein saying he hated trump and that he epstein couldn't get

01:22:36 dirt on trump trump failed again yeah yeah why trump played defense on in any way over the

01:22:44 Epstein affair. You still talking about this guy?

01:22:46 We're going to release

01:22:48 files and then be really coy

01:22:50 about his connection to Israeli intelligence

01:22:52 and then try and pretend it's not a story anymore.

01:22:54 You still talking about this guy? Why, I don't know.

01:22:57 Well, I do know.

01:23:00 I think probably you're

01:23:01 right about the Susie Wiles angle.

01:23:06 Alright.

01:23:08 Okay, next one is from

01:23:09 Belgium's Evil Trust Me Again. Oh, it's the last one.

01:23:11 Last one is from Belgium's Evil Trust Me Again, who says

01:23:13 I had a cat called Trotsky

01:23:15 I was a Trotskyite member of the Communist Party in my teens

01:23:22 We've all got a past

01:23:24 I had a post of Che Guevara on my wall when I was like 15 or 16

01:23:28 We've all got a past

01:23:30 He was killed by a car 0.69

01:23:32 You talk about your cat, Trotsky

01:23:34 He was killed by a car in my early 20s when I was at my first university

01:23:38 Sorry to hear that

01:23:40 Maybe Eamon Holmes was the driver

01:23:42 It's been a little while since we've had an Aime and Homes joke, isn't it?

01:23:46 In all seriousness, get well soon, Ames.

01:23:48 I hope it does get well soon, no joke, in all sincerity.

01:23:54 Okay, Harry, could you then get rid of those off this screen and bring up the YouTube ones?

01:24:00 There we go, thank you very much.

01:24:01 All right, let's read those.

01:24:02 Who's in at number one today?

01:24:03 Oh, it's a new one, new, it's Nick Adonis 862.

01:24:09 Nick is in at number one today.

01:24:10 Well done, sir.

01:24:11 You've got to get up early in the morning,

01:24:13 quite literally, to beat Nick Adonis.

01:24:15 Okay, he's put.

01:24:17 Do you know the Muffin Man?

01:24:21 The Muffin Man? 0.95

01:24:22 The Muffin Man!

01:24:26 It's an online meme joke.

01:24:28 I don't know why he's referenced that one,

01:24:29 but I do think the Muffin Man clip is hilarious.

01:24:33 I think I've tweeted it once, even.

01:24:36 If someone in hospital doing the Muffin...

01:24:39 It's a reference to, like, a Shrek, isn't it?

01:24:41 I don't know why Nick has decided to reference that, but he's spot on because I find that

01:24:50 really funny. Okay, Crowley said, good morning, dear Bo. Morning, sir. How are you? I know

01:24:59 you've been that bill now. Thoughts? I know you've been that bill now. I don't know what

01:25:06 you're talking about. And then you've just got thoughts? The timing for proposing the

01:25:10 bill in parliament as well oh oh okay oh sorry oh i know you've seen the bill now sorry okay

01:25:16 you're talking about that okay yeah what was it called what did they call it the saint george's

01:25:20 bill yeah disgusting is it absolutely unbelievably disgusting and subversive it speaks of their

01:25:27 genocidal intent to wipe us out to wipe us out don't think i will say it was just a 10 minute

01:25:35 motion 10 minute motion rule bill thing so it won't come to anything it's not like it's law

01:25:41 now or will is likely to be it's a thing in parliament on usually on tuesdays or wednesdays

01:25:48 there's a thing called sometimes after prime minister's questions a 10 minute 10 minute bill

01:25:53 10 minute motion 10 minute motion bill rule where anyone usually nearly always a backbencher

01:25:59 can get up and it's quite literally like they're 10 minutes of fame they can get up and speak

01:26:04 briefly about anything they want within reason within reason and then it's sort of submitted

01:26:09 for like a later reading and the house says uh yeah maybe we'll have a second reading in like

01:26:14 three months in six months maybe and then that almost certainly never ever happens because the

01:26:19 government of the day the real the proper leadership of the party of the government

01:26:23 will say uh no we've got a very finite amount of time in parliament and we've got our own agenda

01:26:28 we want to do so we're not going to do your thing thanks so 10 minute motion rules almost certainly

01:26:34 never come to anything it really is just a chance for a backbencher to get up on their soapbox and

01:26:40 say something that's all it really is not always it can come to something but it almost certainly

01:26:45 never does so yeah it's just it's just a mask another mask off moment absolutely disgusting

01:26:51 subversive ultimately genocidal i would argue filth yeah but don't worry it's not law it's

01:26:56 not going to become law or anything or extremely unlikely to be certainly no time soon but yeah

01:27:02 what a disgusting thing disgusting and i don't know what i'm talking about they want to make 0.86

01:27:10 it so that anyone people that aren't ethnically english can just say they are ethnically english 0.98

01:27:15 by law madness madness they would wipe us off the face of the earth if they could these people

01:27:24 don't be don't be fooled that is what it's about in the end

01:27:30 all right james leap heaven hole 5087 says thomas lee 38 in 1591

01:27:40 was partner kim borough valentine his partner kim borough valentine was 16 and already had

01:27:48 two children martha two and mary one william my 19th great-grandfather 1592 yeah people had

01:27:56 like the classic thing people always say um um romeo and juliet are supposed to be like about

01:28:03 14 aren't they 13 and 14 or 15 yeah people have kids used to have kids very very very young get

01:28:10 Married very, very young.

01:28:12 I think Henry VII's mother, the lady Margaret Beaufort,

01:28:17 she had him when she was like 12 or something, or younger.

01:28:21 She was like 11 years old or something.

01:28:27 Yeah.

01:28:28 People in yesteryear, in centuries past, often had children very young.

01:28:33 very often as soon as a girl

01:28:36 is biologically 0.99

01:28:38 physically able to have

01:28:40 children, they quite quickly do

01:28:42 that was more the norm

01:28:43 people lived a lot

01:28:46 people didn't live anywhere

01:28:48 near as long as well, it's not like you're expected

01:28:50 to live into your 70s or 80s

01:28:51 so you can just have a kid in your

01:28:53 late 20s, early 30s, it doesn't matter

01:28:56 there's no rush, no there is a rush

01:28:58 well you're 17, 18

01:29:00 and you haven't been married and got a kid yet, what's wrong with you?

01:29:03 Okay, James Lee Pevenhole 5087 says

01:29:07 Sir Edward Lee, 14, married Charlotte Fitzroy

01:29:11 King Charles II's daughter at 13

01:29:15 In 1677

01:29:17 Edward was made Earl of Litchfield

01:29:19 Charlotte had 18 children 0.93

01:29:22 Yeah, a lot of them didn't live, right?

01:29:26 Is that the one?

01:29:28 There's lots of examples, aren't there?

01:29:30 Queen Mary, or the other Queen Charlotte

01:29:32 After Queen Mary

01:29:33 yeah that's the one yeah that's the one didn't all of them die

01:29:38 didn't she have 18 children and none of them lived into adulthood is that the one

01:29:42 imagine that having 18 kids and they all die in infancy

01:29:48 i'm not sure if that's the same one i'm thinking of but i think it is anyway okay all right

01:29:54 Phil EP or F-I-L-E-P says the NHS is broken I know of a consultancy company that were

01:30:03 quote unquote unknowingly changing charging double for their prices receiving around 130% profit

01:30:11 number no one or number one checked no no one checked and the company carried on charging

01:30:19 it for years. Yeah, sounds right. Yeah, sounds right. There's also, the NHS is not just fit

01:30:26 for purpose, fundamentally broken, bankrupting the country, in fact has been bankrupted the

01:30:32 country, but also got terrible, terrible health outcomes. One of the very worst in the whole

01:30:40 of the developed world. One of the very worst. Ridiculous state of affairs, isn't it? And

01:30:46 Some sort of profiteering going on as well

01:30:49 Yeah

01:30:49 The managerial class

01:30:51 The bloated managerial class in the NHS

01:30:53 Getting crazy wages

01:30:55 Whilst other hospitals

01:30:57 Hospital trusts can't afford simple things

01:31:00 In Bowes Britain

01:31:03 There would be an overhaul

01:31:05 Of the NHS

01:31:06 And that's putting it mildly

01:31:08 An overhaul

01:31:10 Radical change

01:31:13 Right

01:31:14 SN3AR says

01:31:16 As a former atheist

01:31:18 As soon as you accept metaphysics

01:31:20 As much as materialism

01:31:22 Religion starts to make sense 0.95

01:31:24 Enough of an interesting statement 0.97

01:31:27 Alright

01:31:28 James Lee Pevenhall says

01:31:29 Sir John Lee, 1242

01:31:31 Married Isabel Dutton

01:31:33 1265

01:31:35 Is Ed descended from the Duttons of Cheshire

01:31:38 Isabel's father was

01:31:40 Hugh D. Dutton

01:31:41 Hugh D. Dutton

01:31:42 In 1244

01:31:43 I don't know, I should have to ask Ed about that, if he's descended from gentry.

01:31:49 13th century gentry.

01:31:50 Would have been Norman, probably, then, wouldn't it? 0.99

01:31:52 Well, maybe.

01:31:53 Anyway.

01:31:55 Not necessarily Norman, could well have been French. 1.00

01:31:57 On Jew. 1.00

01:31:57 Arjovin. 0.86

01:31:58 Anyway, all right.

01:31:59 Max Robe, last two here.

01:32:01 Max Robe says,

01:32:04 Mustapha Leek.

01:32:06 That's all they've put, capital letters, exclamation mark.

01:32:08 Mustapha Leek.

01:32:10 Mustapha, like, Mustapha Kemmel.

01:32:12 you've put Mustafa Leek

01:32:13 you must go to the site

01:32:16 you must have a leak

01:32:17 is that what

01:32:17 thanks anyway

01:32:20 for the two quid

01:32:21 Max Robe

01:32:21 appreciate that

01:32:22 okay the last one here

01:32:23 is from CJ Mams

01:32:24 who says

01:32:27 East Asians

01:32:28 like the Japanese

01:32:29 excel in industry

01:32:30 ask Dan

01:32:32 how Indian firms

01:32:33 expanded

01:32:33 across the West

01:32:34 while no other

01:32:35 former British colony

01:32:36 could do it

01:32:37 that's a good question

01:32:38 that's a good question

01:32:42 you put ask Dan that did you mean ask Ed or ask Dan Dan tub okay all right thanks CJ man

01:32:50 all right that's the show and this screen has finally come back okay it's now 33 minutes past

01:32:56 nine in the a.m. Greenwich Mean Time on Thursday the 12th of November in the event of 2026 you've

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01:33:04 that you guys isn't a thing I'll keep the ending spiel a little shorter than I usually do some

01:33:10 people don't seem to particularly appreciate it so i'll just say carpe dmc's a day the time is the

01:33:15 most valuable thing you'll ever have try and make it count if you can all right then guys and gals

01:33:17 until tomorrow morning take care

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - November 12, 2026

Breakfast With Beau ｜ Thursday 12th November 2026

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