The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - Breakfast With Beau ｜ Thursday 14th May 2026

00:00:00 Morning

00:00:08 You alright?

00:00:14 I hope you are

00:00:14 I hope you had a nice day yesterday

00:00:16 Nice evening

00:00:16 I hope you're bright eyed and bushy tailed

00:00:20 Rocking and raring for the day ahead

00:00:21 Come on wakey wakey

00:00:24 Have some eggs and bakey 1.00

00:00:25 Let's do this 0.99

00:00:27 Let's bow

00:00:29 i'm joined by my producer little harry as always how are you this morning good sir

00:00:34 morning i'm all good disembodied voice of the producer with god-like powers

00:00:40 okay you're the glorious band of the chosen few aren't you you know who you are

00:00:45 and you're here so you're the best people on earth you're watching this live you're in the

00:00:50 chat you're doing the poll we've got a bowl today haven't we harry every day yeah yeah cool it's

00:00:55 live yeah good all right thanks for joining me thanks for joining me without you guys it really

00:01:02 really isn't a thing um it is odd when people in the chat correctly guess what i'm wearing

00:01:08 how do they know

00:01:12 okay all right let's stop faffing about shall we why are you fannying about you've come here for

00:01:22 the news what's in the news cycle this morning what's the legacy corporate mainstream media 0.64

00:01:25 banging on about what was that cabal of evil frankly quite evil fleet street editors a cabal

00:01:32 of them they're in cahoots of course they are what are they trying to lie to you by omission

00:01:40 about this morning all right it's another almost wall-to-wall starma day not quite we've got a

00:01:49 bit of nige we've got a little bit of trump and winnie the pooh and the odd the odd thing here 0.60

00:01:54 or there but it's larger a little bit of the radiant princess of wales but it's mainly

00:02:01 keir starmer and west treating angela rayner andy burnham

00:02:06 all right let's just get into it then on today's set to be the day then where the leadership

00:02:14 contest is triggered that's what they're all saying it might even be shortly after the beau show ends

00:02:24 what's the beau show that's the stream you're watching

00:02:28 it's only colloquially known as the beau show formerly it's breakfast with beau

00:02:33 you can buy one of these mugs it says morning you all right on it

00:02:36 right so the headlines are where's prime minister question mark where's prime minister question

00:02:47 mark and my flair lady

00:02:50 kate middleton the princess of wales prince william's wife is in italy on some sort of tour

00:03:04 you know royal royal to her and uh she wore some trousers that are a bit flared

00:03:11 she looked radiant though of course all right let's start oh god the metro

00:03:18 exasperating whenever they start with the guardian or the metro

00:03:27 okay the metro one of the very very worst things in the world the metro

00:03:35 sort of profoundly disappointing to me the metro

00:03:43 that it exists right health secretary has his eyes on the priors look there he is standing in

00:03:52 in the commons yesterday so yesterday then just let you know what happened was as we

00:03:56 Told you yesterday morning

00:03:57 The King opened Parliament

00:03:59 And then there was

00:04:02 You know

00:04:04 They always talk

00:04:05 Have a little bit of a debate

00:04:06 A normal course of events

00:04:08 They then go to the Commons

00:04:10 And talk about it a bit

00:04:11 But of course

00:04:12 This one

00:04:12 Way more MPs than usual

00:04:15 Packed in there

00:04:16 Because it's

00:04:16 Everyone knows

00:04:17 That it's sort of

00:04:19 A crunch moment

00:04:20 Potentially

00:04:21 Or just is

00:04:22 A crunch moment

00:04:26 A classic exchange, just says it all really

00:04:30 Starmer stands up and he's got his little speech

00:04:32 He's talking about government, what the government wants to do next

00:04:35 Over the next year

00:04:36 His legislative agenda

00:04:38 And Kemi, one of the things she says 0.84

00:04:41 She just stands up and says

00:04:42 Yeah, that's all well and good

00:04:43 But you're not going to be here to do any of it, are you mate?

00:04:45 She didn't say mate

00:04:46 So everyone knows

00:04:50 West Street is standing in the sidelines

00:04:53 Most of it he was sitting on the front bench

00:04:54 Still sitting on the front bench

00:04:55 then later in the day or was it before the king's speech i think it was after the king's speech

00:05:02 i don't even remember now seems like yesterday seems like quite a long time ago to me i don't

00:05:06 know about you but um he did have that one-on-one meeting with the pm at number 10 and it only

00:05:15 lasted 15 minutes 16 minutes between going in the front door and coming back out the front door was

00:05:21 16 minutes so it was less than 16 minutes he was actually sitting there with keir starmer so

00:05:26 you know very quick exchange i've seen no sorts of real deal there's not time enough for any sort

00:05:34 of deal between them to be struck and hammered out or anything like that so i can only sort of

00:05:40 imagine that it was west street in saying i'm going to i'm going to do it i'm going to launch

00:05:47 Formally, launch a leadership did

00:05:49 Against you, and Keir Starmer saying

00:05:51 Okay

00:05:52 I doubt that was his response, just like that

00:05:55 Completely calm

00:05:58 Completely emotionless

00:05:59 Okay

00:05:59 Now

00:06:01 I imagine it's just

00:06:03 The writing's on the wall

00:06:05 Maybe not, maybe not

00:06:08 We'll talk about that in the show today

00:06:12 All the different possible permutations

00:06:14 Of what could happen

00:06:15 One of which is that

00:06:17 There is a full leadership contest, and Keir Starmer wins that.

00:06:21 He enters it himself.

00:06:22 He doesn't just slink off into the dustbin of history.

00:06:26 He enters that race and wins.

00:06:29 I mean, it's happened before.

00:06:30 When did it happen before?

00:06:32 John Major.

00:06:33 John Major in the 1990s.

00:06:35 It was John Redwood.

00:06:39 Anyone old enough to remember John Redwood?

00:06:43 Yeah, John Major had that.

00:06:45 Another guy in the Tory party, John Redwood.

00:06:47 mp uh launched a leadership bid against john major

00:06:53 john major pulled a starmer there and was like oh i don't accept it i've still got the numbers

00:06:58 in the party i think i mean it's bad it looks really bad doesn't it it undermines his authority

00:07:05 massively and everything people can say they didn't then but people can say you're a zombie

00:07:11 Prime Minister now, your party's some sort of zombie party, zombie government, but nonetheless

00:07:17 you cling on, you cling on to power by your fingernails, it could be that Starmer does

00:07:23 that. It's not that crazy of an idea. Apparently he does, or well he just does, seem to have

00:07:32 a big chunk of the Parliamentary Labour Party behind him still. That's not the whole story

00:07:39 though is it it's also about members and unions getting votes in and a say in all this okay we'll

00:07:46 get on to that stuff as we go through the show all right health secretary has his eyes on the prize

00:07:53 wes prime minister streeting to launch a challenge for keir starmer's job today

00:08:00 after number 10 showdown that was that 16 minute thing says allies

00:08:04 than streeting allies are you ready for loads and loads of puns to do with the word street

00:08:12 or streeting not just today just going forward now

00:08:16 fleet street's going to rinse their ability to come up with puns including the word street in it

00:08:25 aren't they

00:08:25 I think we've got one or two today

00:08:30 Already

00:08:31 Drama on Day King revealed new legislation

00:08:35 But Kemi tells PM

00:08:36 You won't be here to deliver it

00:08:38 Summer of course

00:08:40 You can see that little picture

00:08:41 I'm still just pretending it's all good

00:08:43 It's fine

00:08:44 See the decision he's made

00:08:48 Put on our brave front

00:08:55 Tears of a clown, okay, the sun, oh look, you ready, are you ready for Catherine Middleton, the princess of Wales, his flares, you ready for this, it's big news, it's big, it's important stuff, here we go, there's the radiant Kate Middleton in Italy, boom. 0.72

00:09:18 The tabloids love talking about what, what women wear, don't they, that's just one of their things.

00:09:25 My flair lady 0.98

00:09:28 Alright 0.99

00:09:31 Tea in the moustache

00:09:35 The old soup strainer

00:09:37 Alright, Labour in civil war

00:09:40 It is basically civil war

00:09:41 Everyone's saying that

00:09:44 West Street is going to trigger this thing today

00:09:45 They're all saying that

00:09:47 It seems like that's certainly going to happen

00:09:49 That's not just like rumour and scuttlebutt

00:09:51 It may or may not

00:09:53 It seems like that is definitely going to happen

00:09:55 So over the next month or more

00:09:57 It just will be full blown civil war

00:10:00 In the Labour Party

00:10:02 Alright 0.67

00:10:05 Civil war, it's war, happy now

00:10:07 Where's to quit and launch a leader bid

00:10:10 Defiant PM

00:10:11 He must not win

00:10:13 That was one of the things that apparently is coming out of

00:10:15 Of number 10

00:10:17 And the Starmer camp

00:10:19 That he's decided

00:10:20 On some level, on sort of a strategic level

00:10:24 That at all costs

00:10:26 Streeting can't win

00:10:28 Can't beat him

00:10:29 Okay

00:10:32 Ed, Andy and Ange

00:10:34 To join battle

00:10:35 So yeah, once it's

00:10:37 Once it's triggered

00:10:38 Then the floodgates are open

00:10:41 Right

00:10:42 Then the other big beasts

00:10:44 Can launch

00:10:46 Their bid as well

00:10:48 Ed Miliband

00:10:49 People are saying

00:10:50 People are on the inside of the Westminster bubble

00:10:52 Truly on the inside

00:10:53 say Ed Miliband will do it

00:10:56 Angela Rayner will do it

00:10:58 and Andy Burnham will do it

00:11:00 each one of them needs

00:11:02 I believe each one of them needs

00:11:04 81 MPs to back them

00:11:06 so

00:11:06 only

00:11:10 only two or three could

00:11:12 we'll talk a little bit

00:11:15 also later in a minute we'll talk a little bit

00:11:16 about the technical details

00:11:19 of the race

00:11:20 how all that works because over the few days over the last few days you've seen you've noticed

00:11:27 that there's like this magic number of 81 to to launch a leadership campaign well

00:11:31 that was only part of that catherine west's what they call it a stalking horse it wasn't that was 1.00

00:11:36 it what was the phrase they would use about her she was just um that was just like a mechanism 1.00

00:11:43 to to launch it but you would actually need 81 mps a block of mps all for that one person whether

00:11:52 it's west streeting or or ed milliband um the question then about andy and ang though

00:11:59 well andy's not an mp we'll talk about that in a minute as well don't worry

00:12:04 An Ange

00:12:06 Angela the Fridge Rayner, Big Bird 0.98

00:12:08 Well, she is 1.00

00:12:11 You know, still embroiled in a HMRC controversy 1.00

00:12:17 And can't stand

00:12:18 Oh no, wait, breaking news

00:12:19 This morning, Angela Rayner said she's been cleared by HMRC

00:12:23 After stamp duty, Rao

00:12:24 That's remarkable timing, isn't it?

00:12:28 That's really quite remarkable

00:12:29 Look, it's all over

00:12:30 All the newspapers went to print last night

00:12:33 So they didn't have this

00:12:33 It's literally breaking this morning it seems

00:12:35 Angela Rayner says she has been cleared by HMRC over tax affairs

00:12:39 A remarkable timing isn't it

00:12:42 Sort of literally on the day

00:12:44 The morning of the day

00:12:45 When she would need to be cleared

00:12:47 She is

00:12:48 Sky News

00:12:50 Rayner settles an unpaid tax bill

00:12:52 Paving way for leadership challenge

00:12:54 Convenient isn't it

00:12:58 Alright

00:13:03 so she's got this like big flat well actually i don't know how big it is i assume it's big

00:13:07 on the south coast down in brighton and hove somewhere 800 grand flat she's supposed to have

00:13:13 paid something in the order of 40 grand stamp duty on it and didn't she claims that was sort

00:13:20 of a genuine mistake she'd asked you know lawyers and things make sure all my affairs are in order

00:13:27 and according to her they said everything is then later it transpired she hadn't paid the

00:13:33 stamp duty on it and apparently hmrc have decided now or yesterday or last night or

00:13:42 very early this morning i know decided that that was a good faith error

00:13:47 she hasn't certainly hasn't broken the law and actually did nothing intentionally wrong

00:13:52 oh okay okay the timing fair enough then well if that's the if that is indeed the case then fair

00:14:02 enough i mean she should have known better like how do you not know about stamp duty

00:14:09 but okay if you're a grown-up and you own properties and stuff but okay

00:14:16 But the timing of it is absolutely

00:14:20 Remarkable

00:14:23 Alright

00:14:26 So that's what's going on with Big Ange

00:14:28 She's a unit isn't she

00:14:32 Alright

00:14:33 And

00:14:34 She said she's been saying

00:14:38 That even though she seemed to have backed Burnham

00:14:40 Only like a week ago

00:14:41 Sort of openly definitely backed him

00:14:43 And is the guy

00:14:45 she's now saying no not necessarily i've got no pact with him formal pact with him

00:14:50 i've got no formal pact with web streeting or anything in other words and now i'm cleared by

00:14:56 hmrc in other words she can completely launch her own leadership bid entirely in her own right 0.67

00:15:04 should she get 81 mps to sort of back that street fighter oh there you go they started

00:15:11 with the street the street word play the puns with the word street or streeting in it okay street

00:15:19 fighter looks like uh right it looks like ken ken's let himself go ken's had a few too many fray

00:15:29 Ben Toss.

00:15:33 A Cairn out of Street Fighter.

00:15:35 Yeah, no, okay. 1.00

00:15:38 Tough crowd.

00:15:40 Okay.

00:15:41 The times, the venerable times.

00:15:43 Joan Collins still got it at 92.

00:15:46 I doubt it.

00:15:49 Streeting prepares to quit ahead of number 10 challenge.

00:15:53 So that's what they're all saying.

00:15:54 Starmer warns of plunge into chaos.

00:15:57 That's his line, isn't it?

00:15:58 That's his thing.

00:15:58 Don't do this

00:15:59 Because it will just mean chaos

00:16:01 For the party in the country

00:16:03 Again we've said in the last few days

00:16:05 Don't need to labour the point anymore

00:16:07 You're the chaos 1.00

00:16:09 Sir Queer

00:16:10 What's going on with that trial 1.00

00:16:13 With those Ukrainian 1.00

00:16:14 Boys 1.00

00:16:17 And the fires they set

00:16:20 I heard they pleaded innocent 0.98

00:16:22 I thought Bolesky mainstream media 1.00

00:16:26 Is saying nothing about it

00:16:26 I don't know if there's a full

00:16:27 de-notice de-order whatever they call it where they're legally not allowed to

00:16:34 think john wong of vox populi been going down i have to get in touch with him

00:16:38 i will i will get in touch with him john all right mate um let me know have you been

00:16:45 you've been in court let us know i'll get in touch with you today try to find out what's going on

00:16:50 there find out if we're legally even allowed to talk about it

00:16:58 of course the legacy mainstream media just utterly utterly blanking it

00:17:04 okay health secretary seeks backing of 81 labor mps all right so actually this is a moment we could

00:17:12 delve a little bit into the details there was a story was it in the mail or the express

00:17:18 oh god i should have had it lined up properly where they talk about uh like some of the details

00:17:24 Of it

00:17:24 Okay I won't spend

00:17:26 More than a few seconds

00:17:27 Trying to find out

00:17:27 I'll just tell you about it

00:17:29 What it is

00:17:31 Is that the

00:17:35 Parliamentary Labour Party

00:17:36 As well as members

00:17:38 As well as unions

00:17:40 Will have a vote

00:17:41 On this thing

00:17:42 And they will narrow it down

00:17:43 If one person

00:17:45 Gets 50%

00:17:46 Of

00:17:47 All those votes

00:17:48 Those people's first votes

00:17:50 As you get a first

00:17:51 Second and third vote

00:17:52 I believe

00:17:52 If one person gets 50%, just 50% of all those votes, that's it, it's over, they win, that person has won

00:17:58 If no one person gets 50%, then the person who comes last out of all of those is done

00:18:12 They're out of the race

00:18:12 And all the people whose first vote went to them, their second vote gets counted for the rest

00:18:20 and so on until it's whittled down to just two okay i don't know if that's needlessly complicated

00:18:29 or what but that's how they do it and then the members get a vote in when it's whittled down to

00:18:37 the last two the members get a vote and then so that's sort of a fairly whole different dynamic

00:18:42 then at that point isn't it because whoever's most popular with the the membership the normal

00:18:47 hundreds and hundreds of thousands oh sorry tens and tens of thousands of labor party members

00:18:53 they mostly like andy burnham will andy burnham even be in that last two will he be even in the

00:19:01 race at all talk about that in a moment um so there you go

00:19:11 so ang can enter wes streeting can enter if they get 81 now there's only i say only it's a massive

00:19:21 majority but there's only 400 odd mps right starmer gets to automatically enter as a sitting leader

00:19:27 he automatically is in the race okay so with the best win in the world you could only have

00:19:34 four other people at absolute maximum so let's say let's count streeting as one

00:19:41 Yeah

00:19:41 Let's count

00:19:43 The Fridge

00:19:45 As one

00:19:46 People saying

00:19:48 Miliband

00:19:50 He's probably the next biggest name

00:19:51 That everyone is saying

00:19:52 And I think he has

00:19:53 I'm pretty sure

00:19:54 He's formally said as well

00:19:56 This morning

00:19:56 Or yesterday

00:19:57 Reported this morning

00:19:59 That

00:19:59 If a leadership election

00:20:01 Should be triggered

00:20:03 That he

00:20:05 Ed Miliband

00:20:05 Would throw his hat into the ring

00:20:06 So that's it

00:20:08 So that only leaves one more spot

00:20:09 And what is that

00:20:09 Andy Burnham's spot

00:20:11 as i said there's no room really for any others you know a few other names have been bandied

00:20:17 around haven't they um shabana mahoud is one but and that's assuming and all of that is assuming

00:20:24 that the rest of the labor mps uh will line up into like four distinct camps like that they

00:20:32 probably won't will they almost i wouldn't have thought they would and what's really going on

00:20:37 here really isn't it is it a battle for the heart and soul of the Labour Party what the Labour Party

00:20:42 is what it wants to be how left it's going to be right so streeting is considered crazily

00:20:50 considered on the right of the party Starmer is considered on the right of the party

00:20:55 Ed Miliband not so much he's considered a bit more left isn't he not the hard left not as much

00:21:02 left as they some would like you know like jeremy corbyn and john mcdonald types they truly were

00:21:08 the left of the party um angela rayner to the left of starma but not crazily crazy enough

00:21:17 andy burnham considered to the left but not the full-blown swivel-eyed psycho left but

00:21:24 right so as i was saying yesterday if the stars are seeming to beginning to align for wesley

00:21:30 streeting everyone on the left of the party all the the the main most vocal ones that are trying

00:21:37 to get rid of starma in the first place triggering triggering all this stuff they're like oh wait no

00:21:41 that's not what we wanted this isn't we didn't want less treating if anything we'll try and cue

00:21:47 him out of power faster than faster than his trust um so they're sort of some of the headlines saying

00:21:53 they're scrambling to get a candidate whether it would be Ed Miliband or now Rayner now the

00:22:02 fridge is free to stand they would much rather Ed or Ange over Wes wouldn't they it's full-blown

00:22:12 civil war if you're a Labour MP at the moment there's lots to do and talk about and deals to

00:22:19 struck and you know all of them are ambitious you wouldn't really be an mp would you some sometimes

00:22:26 mps are non-ambitious for power sometimes that is the case nearly always not though nearly always

00:22:34 you're in it because you want a top job you want power a little bit more money power

00:22:40 A Secretary of State

00:22:45 Chauffeur driven car

00:22:47 So they're all wrangling

00:22:53 Who can I back

00:22:54 Who can I get one of the big beasts

00:22:56 To promise me a job in government

00:22:58 Should they win

00:22:58 It's a horrible game really

00:23:03 I think it's funny

00:23:06 It's all fun and games really

00:23:07 But there'll be all sorts of deals

00:23:10 and counter deals and machinations behind the scenes all of them like a little hive of ants

00:23:19 trying to get the best for themselves okay the guardian

00:23:28 makes me sick the guardian okay something about olivia colman don't care about olivia colman

00:23:34 streeting on maneuvers ready to launch a leadership challenge today that's one thing

00:23:38 they like saying at the moment, on manoeuvres, and all the different allegories, metaphors,

00:23:45 similes about war. A lot of them are to do with World War I, for example, at the moment

00:23:49 for some reason. I've heard the Schlieffen plan mentioned once or twice. I've heard

00:23:56 the trenches. One of the papers, one of the headlines I saw earlier was that yesterday

00:23:59 the King's speech was like that winter of 1914 when the English and Germans had a foot

00:24:08 it wasn't a full football match but they kicked a ball about in no man's land on christmas eve

00:24:12 was it christmas day i.e just like a lull in the fighting that was what yesterday was

00:24:21 and now the war's back on yeah weirdly sort of manoeuvres and lots of world war one imagery

00:24:29 about all of this

00:24:35 all right

00:24:38 health secretary in race to win over enough mps to trigger contest right so

00:24:41 what you might have seen over the last few days you know that number

00:24:45 over the weekend sticking up this 53 said they'll do it 67 do it it's now 85

00:24:49 they'll do it well they won't all have been on hope i

00:24:53 would have thought few of those would have been

00:24:55 west streeting partisans so west streeting needs to build a block of his own of his own 81.

00:25:06 but he will have done it he can't launch a bid without that

00:25:09 so we can only assume that he has in fact got those numbers

00:25:15 all right so so it's on that's the key thing if west streeting has got 81

00:25:20 of purely wedge treating partisans ready to rock and roll all right it's on it's on

00:25:28 move sparks scramble on left of party to find candidates who oppose him yeah right so who they

00:25:33 who they're going with they've they've sort of put the put this thing in motion but wes isn't their

00:25:39 guy well at this point it would it would be ang or milliband won't it ed or ang 0.99

00:25:46 Angela Rayner is a moron full-blown at a glance listen to her for more than five seconds you 1.00

00:25:55 realize she's a moron and then Miliband's already had a chance hasn't he's already a failed leader 1.00

00:26:01 and not failed in the way that he's still a titan of politics it's not like Donald Trump 0.99

00:26:09 loses an election comes back wins even harder it's not like not like William Gladstone

00:26:16 winning losing winning again four times his prime minister in and out of office

00:26:21 every time his gravitas wasn't destroyed not that is admit ed milliband's not that

00:26:29 he had his shot he went to the the public and the public rejected him

00:26:35 are they going to go with ed and of course he's obviously like a really weird freak

00:26:40 if anything he's a weirder guy than starmer isn't he i think so that's

00:26:43 That's what a crazy thing to say.

00:26:46 How is that even possible?

00:26:46 But he's truly freakish, I believe.

00:26:53 He's like that with Zach Polanski, real name David Pauldon. 0.98

00:26:56 For being just like a weirdo, a weirdo.

00:27:01 The other thing about West Streeting is,

00:27:03 I don't know how the Labour MPs backing him aren't taking this into account.

00:27:09 I guess they are taking it into account, but not enough.

00:27:12 That he will lose his seat

00:27:14 At the next general election

00:27:15 If I was a Labour MP

00:27:20 And even if I liked West Streeting

00:27:22 Even if I knew he would give me a senior position

00:27:24 In government should he become Prime Minister

00:27:26 I would still be like

00:27:28 Wait, no wait, wait, wait

00:27:29 Zoom out a moment, take a breath

00:27:31 Zoom out for a moment

00:27:32 You're going to lose your seat at the next election

00:27:34 We can't have a leader, a Prime Minister

00:27:37 Can we?

00:27:39 Who's going to lose his seat at the next election

00:27:40 Surely that sort of

00:27:42 one of the prerequisites of being a prime minister that you're in at least a relatively safe seat

00:27:49 at least at the very least that not one where your majority is like

00:27:54 600 odd is it five or six hundred odd and in a constituency where

00:28:01 the the support for labor is dwindles away moment by moment because it's packed full with more and 1.00

00:28:05 and more foreigners. Ilford in East London. I know Ilford well. It's near-ish where I 1.00

00:28:13 grew up. Been to Ilford loads of times. Travelled through Ilford thousands and thousands of

00:28:19 times in my life. Travelling from Essex to London to go to university and to go to work

00:28:24 for 20 odd years. I know Ilford. I know Ilford. It's a foreign enclave.

00:28:32 Whether it's Bangladeshis, Pakistanis or Indians 1.00

00:28:37 It's one of those places

00:28:40 Where the Labour vote is just about clinging on

00:28:45 Just clinging on

00:28:47 And it will have evaporated by this point

00:28:50 And with the unpopularity of Labour in general

00:28:52 There's no way, I don't think

00:28:54 I don't think there's any way he wins at the next election, you see

00:29:00 so so maybe don't make him the leader of your party

00:29:05 then that's Labour politicians for you or all politicians all MPs I guess all they're really

00:29:14 thinking is if he gets in I might get a decent job for two years that's it that's as far as

00:29:21 their thinking goes then is it right but in your career for two years ahead of the party and the 1.00

00:29:32 country gross isn't it it's kind of gross i would like parliament to be filled with every man jack

00:29:43 of them they're putting the the present and the future even the long-term future of the country

00:29:51 ahead of everything ahead of personal ambition far ahead of personal gain and ambition far far

00:29:58 ahead of it it's the number one thing on their list and the next thing down is a is a million

00:30:03 miles away from that but that's just not what they're like is it hardly any of them are like

00:30:09 that all right something slightly different this morning one of the other stories we've got

00:30:16 Nige. Nige is on the front pages a fair bit this morning. We did this story, didn't we? We covered

00:30:23 it. I guess it was last week when it first popped up on the front pages. Now it's a fair bit on the

00:30:27 front pages again. Farage faces watchdog inquiry into five million pound gift. So quickly to recap

00:30:36 you on that. Relatively shortly before he became an MP, much less than 12 months before he became

00:30:45 an mp because remember he only entered the race in clacton what was it a month or two a few weeks

00:30:52 before the actual general election quite close to the general election uh because he just saw that

00:30:57 the numbers there were good for reform so the candidate they'd already selected him just turf

00:31:02 him out when he's here just destroy one more career doesn't matter um he just saw that he could

00:31:08 a few uh not too long before that

00:31:15 a thailand-based but british guy i was his name christopher harbourn is it mr harbourn yeah

00:31:23 he just gave nigel five million pound now this guy is i don't know philanthropist is quite the

00:31:32 right word but he dishes out money all over the place like he's given millions and millions of

00:31:37 pounds to uh the brexit party and a reform like something to the chain of 20 odd million

00:31:44 At various points

00:31:45 I think he did give millions

00:31:48 A few million pounds to the Tory party as well

00:31:50 Some say

00:31:52 I think Ben Habib says

00:31:54 He might have given Boris Johnson

00:31:55 Personally a million quid

00:31:58 I'm not sure about that but anyway

00:31:59 This guy throws out millions of pounds

00:32:02 Here and there like it's candy

00:32:03 Well not quite but

00:32:05 If he's a billionaire

00:32:06 The odd five million quid is not

00:32:09 A giant amount is it

00:32:12 But anyway

00:32:12 He just gave

00:32:15 Nigel 5 million quid

00:32:17 Alright

00:32:18 There's nothing illegal about that

00:32:20 Nigel says he spent it all on his

00:32:24 Personal security

00:32:26 Again nothing wrong with that

00:32:27 In fact good

00:32:27 Despite all the amount of

00:32:30 Shade I throw at Nigel

00:32:32 I don't wish him

00:32:34 Any physical harm

00:32:36 Far from it

00:32:37 That'd be terrible

00:32:38 Of course

00:32:40 So all well and good so far

00:32:42 my story so far billionaire gives nigel 5 million quid be nice with it just a friend of yours just 0.62

00:32:50 gives you five million quid spends it on security well and good okay problem is when nigel became an

00:32:57 mp he was supposed to declare that now this is a bit what the wrangling is about the inquiry will

00:33:07 be about is that nigel and reform say he didn't have to declare that other people saying no you

00:33:12 did though you did have to so that's what the controversy is nigel just says that it was a

00:33:19 personal gift it was before i was an mp i've done nothing wrong other people saying no everything

00:33:28 that is relevant five million pound is relevant anything that was relevant up to something like

00:33:34 12 months before you became an MP

00:33:37 You have to

00:33:38 The rules say you have to declare that

00:33:40 And he didn't

00:33:42 So the wrangling is

00:33:43 Over that

00:33:45 Not whether he did receive 5 million pounds or not

00:33:48 That's not in question

00:33:49 I'm just not denying that

00:33:51 It's just

00:33:52 Okay so

00:33:53 And then the other question really

00:33:57 Perhaps the most salient question about it all

00:33:59 Really

00:33:59 is did crystal harbourn expect anything in return for that

00:34:07 was it truly just a gift between friends and there was there was nothing unsaid off the record

00:34:17 about what mr harbourn might have expected in return was it just pure altruism for nigel's

00:34:23 safety that he gave him that money or did he want or expect something else in return

00:34:28 i mean one thing some people are saying a little bit scurrilous but hey it's the bow show um i'm

00:34:35 not scared about saying something a little bit scurrilous um that that harbour has got uh some

00:34:41 sort of cryptocurrency or some sort of um some sort of coin of his own or some sort of crypto 0.95

00:34:47 coin that he promotes something like that i don't know and that nige does promote that a fair bit 0.76

00:34:53 Again, not necessarily anything illegal in that 1.00

00:34:59 In and of itself

00:35:02 But it just does beg the question

00:35:06 Why didn't Nigel, though, declare it?

00:35:10 Because if he just declared it

00:35:12 Then his enemies, Nigel's enemies

00:35:13 Have got nothing to say

00:35:15 So why didn't you just declare it?

00:35:19 I don't know

00:35:20 Because that's what a lot of them do

00:35:22 like david lammy right he takes loads of money off all sorts of people all the time but he just

00:35:27 declares it or was it uh george brown someone called george brown just gave him 50 grand one

00:35:32 time but but let me declared it so it's on record and when people do a freedom of information or

00:35:38 whatever they can see it's there then you might actually ask david lammy who's this george brown

00:35:43 fella like what was that 50 quid for did he expect anything in return for that at that point david

00:35:48 lammy can just shut you down and go well no it's a private thing i don't need to tell you anything

00:35:51 about it i don't want to tell you anything about that person or what he might have wanted in return 0.66

00:35:54 for it i've declared it by the letter of the law that's all i need to do end of story nigel could

00:36:00 have done that exact thing with this five million pound if he wanted but he didn't he didn't declare

00:36:05 it so all right all right it may just be the tiniest storm in the tiniest of teacups that

00:36:11 comes to absolutely nothing it might end with nigel being recalled his seat being recalled

00:36:18 and him not being an mp anymore who knows who knows depends what the watchdog inquiry

00:36:26 uh decides about it i mean nigel seemed a bit tetchy i see a clip where beth rigby

00:36:33 was asking him about it and he got all leggy really quickly really quickly

00:36:37 nigel did i didn't really want to he sort of ended the interview basically so just having

00:36:42 a general pop at sky news rather than just answering the questions okay

00:36:50 margill does get quite eggy quite quickly doesn't he these days

00:36:53 it seems something comes up he doesn't like he's just

00:37:01 let's be like that and be like really really weak isn't it i think like ed milliband

00:37:06 all right the telegraph the daily torograph there's the radiant catherine

00:37:12 middleton kate middleton princess of wales looking radiant miller banned to fight

00:37:20 streeter for number 10 health secretary expected to resign today and spark grace

00:37:24 for top job as starmer refuses to go quietly fair enough starmer to force eu laws on britain

00:37:30 with new henry the eighth powers we've talked about that before haven't we on breakfast we

00:37:33 Because in the King's Speech yesterday

00:37:35 Pretty quickly, just a quick few moments

00:37:37 In the King's Speech, he said loads of things

00:37:39 He talked about ID cards again

00:37:40 He talked about the safety

00:37:43 Of our communities

00:37:44 The scourge of anti-Semitism

00:37:46 He specifically talked about

00:37:49 Anti-Semitism, but when it came to Southport

00:37:51 He just talked about violence

00:37:53 Just general violence

00:37:54 He talked about getting closer and closer

00:37:59 To the EU

00:38:00 Of course these are the government's words

00:38:03 Not King Charles' words

00:38:04 They write a speech for him

00:38:05 And he simply reads it out

00:38:07 It's not actually the king's views

00:38:11 In any way

00:38:12 It really isn't

00:38:13 So

00:38:14 Alright 0.92

00:38:15 And the Henry VIII powers

00:38:18 So called Henry VIII powers

00:38:20 To get through parliament legislation 0.67

00:38:23 Bringing us closer to Europe 0.89

00:38:25 Because they would have to do that

00:38:27 Because so many of the MPs

00:38:30 including some Labour ones would vote against it if they could

00:38:33 all right the eye paper I quickly read the blurb and that'll be the last we'll uh we'll talk about

00:38:41 it today because it'll be ongoing but this as always the blurb on the front page of the eye

00:38:47 paper sort of says everything you need to know street in set to resign and will challenge PM

00:38:51 Andy Burnham is uh will also attempt to join the contest after his team identified an MP ready to

00:38:57 Stand aside to the iPaper learns.

00:38:59 Dun-dun-dun.

00:39:00 Who's that? 0.97

00:39:01 Nobody knows except it's Afzal Khan.

00:39:05 It's probably Labour MP in the Greater Manchester area, isn't it?

00:39:10 Afzal Khan.

00:39:13 He's like a Burnham partisan.

00:39:17 A Burnham man.

00:39:19 He'll be prepared to pretend there's something wrong with his health

00:39:22 or that he just wants to spend more time with his family or something.

00:39:25 Trigger a by-election

00:39:27 A bit more on the Burnham thing

00:39:29 There's not enough time is there 1.00

00:39:32 Even if that Afzal Khan 1.00

00:39:34 Stands down today 1.00

00:39:36 There probably isn't enough time

00:39:39 For that by-election to take place

00:39:41 Andy Burnham to win it

00:39:43 Although there's no guarantee of that

00:39:44 And then enter this leadership contest

00:39:48 There's not enough time for all of that

00:39:50 Unless

00:39:50 The NEC

00:39:52 The ruling body of the Labour Party

00:39:55 put back the actual leadership contest it's been triggered but the final votes we won't

00:40:01 do the final votes for like three months four months from now giving burnham enough time to

00:40:07 do all of that that could happen that that could that could happen but remember the nec is controlled

00:40:15 like there's not that many people in it is there like eight people 12 people in it

00:40:19 Including the Prime Minister and everything

00:40:22 And they blocked Burnham before, didn't they

00:40:25 For the Goulton and Denton thing

00:40:26 They came to the conclusion

00:40:28 I think there's only one or two people that

00:40:30 Didn't do that

00:40:32 They nearly all, almost unanimously said

00:40:35 Burnham shouldn't stand in Goulton and Denton

00:40:36 Some say that the feeling within the NEC

00:40:41 Has completely changed now 0.69

00:40:42 Maybe that's true

00:40:44 Other people say no it's not, it's the same

00:40:45 It'll be the same thing

00:40:45 If the NEC allow him to even stand

00:40:50 And if the NEC allow the final leadership contest

00:40:56 To take place in three months from now, four months from now

00:40:58 Maybe they will, it seems unlikely to me

00:41:02 But maybe they will, I don't actually know

00:41:04 What's in the minds of those few people

00:41:07 You know, Starmer's one of them

00:41:09 And one or two Starmer arch loyalists are in there as well

00:41:13 They will, you can only imagine, try and block anything like that

00:41:15 through the ends of the earth we should see there's so many different ways this thing could

00:41:19 break over the coming days and weeks so many different ways so many different things that

00:41:23 might play out but okay apparently burnham is going to get one of the guys in in uh well that

00:41:31 step down wouldn't it be so funny i would love it love it if they go for that

00:41:41 i still can't slip down by election the nec do select burnham and then he loses the by-election

00:41:50 that would be so funny for this apart from anything it's not just that he screws labor 0.88

00:41:56 and it screws andy burnham i don't like andy burnham andy burnham's a douchebag he's an arch 0.54

00:42:00 blairite he's exactly the sort of person that has ruined this country since 1997 exactly it is him 0.90

00:42:08 It's people like him 1.00

00:42:09 A handful of people like him 1.00

00:42:10 He's a scumbag 1.00

00:42:11 Socialist 1.00

00:42:13 Scum 0.99

00:42:14 It would be so funny 0.95

00:42:17 Because it would annoy the left

00:42:19 At least the soft left

00:42:20 Of the Labour Party

00:42:22 All their plans ruined

00:42:24 It's Burnham or nothing

00:42:26 Burnham is the great hope

00:42:28 He's going to come and lead us

00:42:30 To victory in 2029

00:42:33 And he can't even win a seat in Manchester

00:42:36 that would be so funny i would love that okay let's carry on waste treating will resign

00:42:43 apparently it's just they just will and trigger a leadership challenge to kia starmer as early as

00:42:48 today and i say mp intends to fight health secretary in contest it seems like kia starmer

00:42:54 is set to do that to do a john major could win it he could he really could burnham tells labor

00:43:03 mps he is quote ready to go are you with route back to westminster although faces obstacles yeah

00:43:11 quite a few obstacles andy and why are you wearing eyeliner bro i don't think he is i think he's got

00:43:19 unnaturally thick eyelashes sort of looks like he's wearing eyeliner doesn't it

00:43:25 andy has found a seat it might not be winnable yeah is there a safe labor seat is there any

00:43:32 such thing i mean there are a few kind of but

00:43:40 it may not be winnable yeah this labor government is highly unpopular isn't it highly highly highly

00:43:47 highly unpopular is it is this labor government less popular than the tory government towards the

00:43:55 end, during those Rishi years. Possibly, quite possibly. I mean, Starmer's less popular than

00:44:03 Rishi Sunak, isn't he? Most unpopular Prime Minister of all time. Quick contest may see

00:44:09 Ed Miliband as candidate. If the left of the party can't get Andy, you're like, they're

00:44:17 probably going to go for Ed Miliband. Or if the fridge, the absolute unit that is Big

00:44:24 bird angela rayner if she can get if she can corral enough mps it'll be ed or ang won't it

00:44:34 there's not enough time for burnham he needed to have won that need to have been selected and won

00:44:39 that goulton and denton thing then things lined up for him but he didn't so who knows though

00:44:46 the labor party might just contrive it to make all that happen maybe feels like a long shot i

00:44:53 I wouldn't put money on Andy Burnham at this point.

00:44:56 I feel like you're just throwing money away if you bet on him.

00:44:58 There's too many obstacles.

00:45:00 Okay.

00:45:00 Street in the MPM held a 16-minute meeting at number 10

00:45:04 to discuss the health secretary's concerns.

00:45:06 His concerns.

00:45:08 I always think that's funny.

00:45:11 Concerns.

00:45:12 HR, your boss brings you in and he's firing you.

00:45:15 He starts by saying, we have concerns.

00:45:18 Some concerns have been raised

00:45:24 Yeah, okay

00:45:25 Labour centrists fear streeting would lose to a left winger

00:45:32 And lead to manifesto being dropped

00:45:34 Oh no

00:45:37 Labour manifestos might not get carried out

00:45:41 Oh no

00:45:42 King tells MPs that UK threatened by a quote

00:45:46 Dangerous and volatile world

00:45:48 at state opening of parliament yeah all right all right mate the financial times let's whip

00:45:55 through it then get a few more stories under our belt before we uh start running out the show

00:45:58 starmer okay the financial times same same stuff look a bit of nige there a nige and it's five

00:46:03 million quid all right the express it's a good paper the same old thing uh they're calling him

00:46:08 a zombie kia's a zombie he's already dead he's the living dead finally a move to bring down 0.68

00:46:14 zombie kia okay and the radiant princess of wales there we go all right the male pure pure slop 0.91

00:46:21 street into ignite labor day of anarchy it's a day of anarchy all right you get it the star

00:46:26 larry the cat larry the downing street cat here we go again he says the cat says

00:46:32 downing streeting that's

00:46:36 That's unacceptably poor to me

00:46:41 If you do a really good bit of wordplay

00:46:44 Okay, I'll give you some credit

00:46:46 But that is super poor

00:46:48 Downing streeting

00:46:49 What?

00:46:50 What?

00:46:51 Who came up with that?

00:46:55 The Daily Star bullpen of writers

00:46:58 Throwing around ideas

00:47:00 Somebody says downing streeting

00:47:07 and the power players the editors with the final say decided yeah that's good yeah print that

00:47:17 the mirror appears oh the mirror puts nice front and center

00:47:20 big old hypno toad there hypno toad not looking happy 0.97

00:47:28 oh there's a blow if you suffered a blow in your never-ending campaign to contain the real rat 0.95

00:47:35 to contain actual nativists that actually want to save their country 0.52

00:47:39 that actually want to try and reduce the number of assaults and sex crimes

00:47:42 committed against our women or your campaign to contain all of that

00:47:46 has suffered a little bit of a blow is it hypno toad

00:47:51 barraging five million pound sleaze probe okay all right there are the front pages there you go

00:47:55 there are the front pages

00:47:59 all right let's do our poll what did we do on our poll today harry you have to bring it up on

00:48:03 on my screen if you don't mind for me sir engage oh i quite liked it yesterday it's just as a

00:48:10 palette cleanser something not to do with politics just like two minutes three minutes talking about

00:48:16 that it's a little bit of a little bit of a break i quite like that so some people in the chat

00:48:23 saying what slop kind of poll is this and other people saying oh i love this poll so can't please

00:48:28 everyone i quite like that it was just something else just something completely different

00:48:33 So today, although that was really out of left field, wasn't it?

00:48:36 Talking about the Turtles.

00:48:38 This time at least it's something a bit topical.

00:48:41 It's a little bit in the news.

00:48:41 We asked you guys,

00:48:43 are you excited about the new Christopher Nolan adaptation of The Odyssey?

00:48:47 And it's a massive win for the no vote.

00:48:53 88% of you.

00:48:55 Over 1,200 votes.

00:48:57 Knocking up to 1,300 votes.

00:48:59 88% of you say no.

00:49:02 Yeah, I would be clicking no.

00:49:05 4% of you say yes, and 8% of you say a little bit.

00:49:10 So even if I count that, what, 12% of you say somewhere between yes and maybe.

00:49:17 88%.

00:49:18 Stonking wind.

00:49:19 If it was a national referendum on something, you'd claim a mandate for all time, wouldn't you?

00:49:24 Because, of course, I love the Odyssey.

00:49:28 Homer's epic poem, the Odyssey.

00:49:30 The Iliad and the Odyssey should be, in my opinion

00:49:33 Call me old-fashioned

00:49:35 Should be the cornerstone of your education

00:49:41 It used to be, that sort of thing, it used to be

00:49:44 I'm talking like 17th, 18th, 19th century

00:49:47 If you had a first-class education

00:49:49 I remember first reading the Iliad and the Odyssey at A-level

00:49:53 When I was like 17, 18

00:49:55 Gone back and re-read both

00:49:58 Listened to them on audiobook as well

00:49:59 I mean, the Lotus Eaters is a reference to the Odyssey, isn't it?

00:50:05 Odysseus and his men land on the Isle of the Lotus Eaters at one point.

00:50:10 Okay, I love the Odyssey. It's great.

00:50:14 In meaning to do some long-form content with Stelios about it at some point.

00:50:20 We will. We will do that.

00:50:24 So to see some of the things coming about this Christopher Nolan film...

00:50:29 Mr Nolan has made loads of good films, hasn't he?

00:50:32 This looks poor on a number of levels

00:50:38 Might even get into it here, could probably talk about it for an hour, probably quite easily 0.88

00:50:44 Apart from anything else, didn't they race-swap Helen of Troy? 0.98

00:50:47 Oh, don't worry about it bro, Helen of Troy is a fictional character anyway, who cares if they cast a black woman? 0.99

00:50:52 She's literally described as like 1.00

00:50:57 White armed 1.00

00:51:00 Or something isn't she

00:51:01 Depends what the translation is of course

00:51:03 There's some rumour

00:51:07 I'm not sure if it's 100% confirmed or true

00:51:09 But there's some rumour that they cast that

00:51:11 Elliot Page as Achilles

00:51:14 That would be weird

00:51:17 If that's true

00:51:18 Elliot Page

00:51:20 What was the woman's original name

00:51:22 Her dead name

00:51:23 Harry

00:51:24 What was she called 1.00

00:51:25 Give me a second 0.99

00:51:27 Maybe the chat

00:51:29 Have I got the chat here

00:51:30 Can I see the chat

00:51:31 Yeah

00:51:32 What was Elliot's page original name

00:51:36 Can't even remember now

00:51:38 That woman to male 0.99

00:51:41 Transgender 0.98

00:51:42 Woman thing 0.79

00:51:44 Ellen 0.96

00:51:47 Oh was it just Ellen page

00:51:48 Yeah they're all saying Ellen

00:51:50 okay so ellen page as achilles if you don't know achilles is supposed to be the the most

00:51:59 badass warrior in the world perhaps in the cosmos gods are afraid to fight him

00:52:06 giants are afraid to fight him he's supposed to be the just an unparalleled warrior when it comes

00:52:14 swordplay throwing your spear whatever it's supposed to be the most badass man in the on the planet

00:52:23 you're gonna cast elliot page ellen page

00:52:30 really

00:52:35 really

00:52:35 Elliot Page looks like

00:52:40 If you can be kind enough to say

00:52:45 She looks like a man in any way 0.54

00:52:47 A male in any way 0.99

00:52:48 Very very diminutive 1.00

00:52:50 You can't change the shape of your skull

00:52:53 And chin and neck can you

00:52:55 She doesn't look male in any way

00:52:58 But it's the kindest possible thing 0.84

00:53:00 She looks like a prepubescent boy

00:53:02 Doesn't she 0.95

00:53:05 Not Achilles.

00:53:08 I mean, Brad Pitt was Achilles in that film Troy.

00:53:11 For me, they should have cast someone much better.

00:53:14 They should have cast, like, Big Dave Bautista or something.

00:53:17 Should have cast a true, someone who's, like, a hulking mess.

00:53:22 Like a physically intimidating person.

00:53:24 Like John Cena or something, I don't know.

00:53:26 Brock Lesnar, something like that.

00:53:27 They're not good actors, but you get the point.

00:53:29 Not Ellen Page. 0.91

00:53:32 Ellen Page is Achilles.

00:53:35 yeah all right no wonder 80 it should stick down 87% of you say no

00:53:40 not looking forward to it yeah I won't go to the cinema to see it

00:53:43 eventually once it's on TV and I'm clicking around one evening and it's on

00:53:47 I'll be like okay go on then I'll watch it okay

00:53:50 or I might watch a really long review by like Critical Drinker or something

00:53:54 or Nerdrotic one of those guys maybe Mr. H

00:53:58 don't make me watch it Nate

00:54:01 don't make me watch it

00:54:04 Eventually when it's on TV

00:54:07 I'll give it a whirl

00:54:08 Alright

00:54:08 That's as far as I'm prepared to go

00:54:09 But I completely agree with you there

00:54:11 Me and the Glorious Band

00:54:12 The Chosen Few

00:54:13 On the same page on that one 0.78

00:54:14 Just for another one

00:54:16 You've been deliberately subversive

00:54:17 Why are you doing that?

00:54:19 Why are you trying to

00:54:20 Like ruin a piece

00:54:21 Of our western heritage?

00:54:24 Why are you doing that?

00:54:27 Who's told you to do that?

00:54:31 And for what purpose ultimately?

00:54:34 Alright

00:54:34 It's already 5-2

00:54:37 The only other big main story today

00:54:40 Is that Donald is in China

00:54:43 Meeting Winnie the Pooh, isn't he?

00:54:46 It was all very cordial between them

00:54:48 When he first got there

00:54:50 One thing that was quite interesting

00:54:54 I thought is

00:54:54 I'll just mention this

00:54:56 Before we go on to this day in history

00:54:58 Xi greets Trump with ominous warning

00:55:00 About risk of war between US and China

00:55:03 He's supposed to have said

00:55:05 Winnie the Pooh is supposed to have said

00:55:06 Beware the Thucydides trap

00:55:09 Interesting

00:55:11 Anyone who doesn't know

00:55:13 Thucydides was an ancient Greek

00:55:16 Classical Greek historian

00:55:17 Who wrote about the Peloponnesian War

00:55:19 That is the 30 odd year

00:55:22 30 year long odd war

00:55:25 Between Athens and Sparta

00:55:27 In

00:55:28 What the 5th century BC

00:55:31 The world's too 0.99

00:55:32 The Grecian world's two superpowers 0.98

00:55:36 Athens and Sparta

00:55:37 For no particularly good reason

00:55:41 Other than sort of suspicion for each other

00:55:44 And both thinking that somewhere down the line

00:55:46 The other one's going to preemptively attack me

00:55:48 So I better attack him first

00:55:49 That sort of thing

00:55:50 And ultimately ruined both

00:55:53 I mean Sparta in the end wins the Peloponnesian War

00:55:56 But it fatally wounds Sparta

00:55:58 In various ways

00:56:00 The idea, Thucydides and the Peloponnesian War

00:56:04 The idea that you've got two superpowers

00:56:07 That needn't go to war with each other

00:56:08 Did

00:56:10 A bit surprised that Winnie the Pooh

00:56:14 Decided to reference Thucydides there

00:56:17 I doubt

00:56:18 I doubt Trump has read Thucydides

00:56:20 He might have done

00:56:22 He might have done

00:56:23 I doubt he knows anything about the Peloponnesian War

00:56:27 Trump

00:56:28 He might do

00:56:29 Might do, maybe I'm being just unkind there

00:56:32 Maybe I'm being a

00:56:33 Maybe I'm being a snob

00:56:35 Alright

00:56:37 Should we have a look on this day in history

00:56:39 It's very nearly 9am, should we have a look at

00:56:41 On this day in history, what happened

00:56:43 Down through the centuries, what happened of note

00:56:45 On the 14th of May

00:56:46 Alright, the Constitution of the United States

00:56:49 On this day in 1789, delegates gather in Philadelphia

00:56:52 To draw up the Constitution of the United States

00:56:54 I'm Anglo-American, aren't I?

00:56:57 My dad

00:56:58 is an american he didn't come over here until the 1970s born and raised in oregon go ducks

00:57:03 didn't come over here until the 70s i was born in 1981 got loads of cousins

00:57:10 a few uncles loads of cousins in the united states one of my ancestors francis langhorn dade

00:57:18 is the major francis langhorn dade who got all his men killed by indians in florida

00:57:27 and now dade county the dade county in florida is named after one of my ancestors

00:57:33 so i'm anglo-american okay all right i happen to think that the constitution of the united

00:57:41 states is a truly remarkable document truly remarkable thing a lot of english people

00:57:46 wouldn't say that i think it is largely penned by what was um jefferson franklin a bit of john

00:57:53 Adams was in Madison was involved

00:57:55 I think it's a remarkable

00:57:57 thing

00:57:58 I really do

00:58:00 that a republic like the

00:58:03 United States has been as

00:58:05 incredibly successful

00:58:07 as it has been since the late

00:58:09 18th century

00:58:10 remarkably successful for a republic

00:58:13 like a history

00:58:17 record breaking

00:58:19 example of how a republic

00:58:21 can work

00:58:22 A lot of it's to do with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, of course

00:58:27 There you go, I've got long-form content all about Washington

00:58:33 All about Jefferson

00:58:34 I will get round to doing one on John Adams

00:58:38 And Madison, probably, at some point

00:58:42 Okay, the Constitution

00:58:44 Good stuff

00:58:45 On this day in 1796, English country doctor Edward Jenner

00:58:50 McMinster's his revolutionary cowpox-based vaccine

00:58:54 For smallpox in Berkeley, Gloucestershire

00:58:56 Yeah, great stuff 0.99

00:58:58 Great stuff again, I said before, didn't I?

00:59:00 The pox, various types of pox

00:59:02 Have been a blight on humanity since day one

00:59:06 God knows how many millions of people

00:59:10 Have died in misery and pain

00:59:12 How many families ruined by the pox

00:59:15 Thank God we don't live in a world

00:59:19 Where that's a thing now

00:59:20 Like your kid at some point

00:59:23 Will get the pox

00:59:24 And there's a decent chance 1.00

00:59:25 It kills them 0.99

00:59:26 Just hope it doesn't 1.00

00:59:27 Hope it doesn't 0.52

00:59:28 Scar their face

00:59:29 For the rest of their life 0.85

00:59:30 Hideously

00:59:31 You go through life

00:59:33 You're basically

00:59:34 Completely fine

00:59:34 Healthy

00:59:35 You get the pox 0.95

00:59:36 And you die 0.92

00:59:37 We don't live in that world

00:59:39 Is an incredible thing

00:59:40 Thank you Dr. Jenner

00:59:42 Thank you

00:59:43 On this day in 1804

00:59:46 Lois and Clark

00:59:48 Meriwether Lewis

00:59:48 lewis and uh william clark's expedition sets out from st louis for the pacific coast commissioned

00:59:58 by thomas jefferson in the lewis and clark expedition out west thinking about heading

01:00:04 out california way yes the great i always find it interesting to remember how recently in history

01:00:14 The United States properly, formally, legally

01:00:17 Extended all the way to the West Coast

01:00:20 To the Pacific Ocean

01:00:21 You might think, oh, some people

01:00:23 I do think, often I feel

01:00:25 That the United States from

01:00:27 From 1776

01:00:29 Is, stretches out to the West Coast

01:00:32 No, no, no

01:00:34 Not even close

01:00:35 Look, 1804, during the presidency of Thomas Jefferson

01:00:38 They're still sending

01:00:40 One of the first expeditions

01:00:42 Out to the West Coast

01:00:43 Lewis and Clark wasn't the first one by a long stretch

01:00:46 But still 0.99

01:00:48 I mean Spaniards were going there centuries ago

01:00:51 Drake sails up the west coast of America

01:00:53 In the 16th century

01:00:55 But nonetheless

01:00:57 Still you've had the Louisiana Purchase

01:01:00 And still the west is more or less

01:01:02 Not exactly uncharted

01:01:04 But it's not formally claimed by the United States

01:01:07 Or anything like that 0.91

01:01:08 Fascinating, interesting to me

01:01:11 okay on this day in 1853 land surveyor newspaper publisher and inventor

01:01:16 gail borden patents his process for condensed milk i know nothing i don't know i don't know

01:01:21 any real details about that i'm afraid one of the few times where this uh on this day in history.com

01:01:27 was out history broad me fair enough that's quite obscure though isn't it who really cares about the

01:01:33 history of condensed milk really i'm interested in things like very obscure really rotation in

01:01:41 the 13th century but condensed milk even I am not interested in that all right on this day 1948

01:01:48 David Ben-Gurion declares Israeli independence from British administration and Golda Meir one

01:01:53 of the later Prime Ministers is one of the signatures good stuff good for you good good

01:01:58 good all right on this day in 1955 Warsaw Pact is signed by the Soviet Union Albania Bulgaria

01:02:04 Czechoslovakia East Germany Hungary Poland and Romania that's interesting today isn't it in

01:02:08 1955, the Warsaw Pact. Again, you might think you could probably be forgiven for thinking

01:02:15 that the Warsaw Pact was something that came into existence very soon after the war. That's

01:02:21 post-Stalin, isn't it, 1955? Stalin dies in, what, 52, 53? He's certainly dead by 55,

01:02:27 isn't he? You would have thought that the Warsaw Pact might have begun in the autumn

01:02:34 of 1945 or some point you know maybe like we talked about the Munich airlift the other day

01:02:40 didn't we sometime during Stalin's reign no it's as late as 1955 interesting to note all right and

01:02:49 on this day in 2024 Google unveils new generative AI feature at its annual conference forcing users

01:02:56 to view AI overviews at the top of search results despite then being factually incorrect 60% of the

01:03:03 time never rely on an ai search don't rely on it just do some reading of your own a bit

01:03:12 you can just use google in the normal fashion click around from a few websites have a look

01:03:17 at who's written the thing don't just rely don't just go at grok is this true don't do that chat

01:03:26 gbt what is this right or wrong it's wrong loads i i don't use it i really don't i really really

01:03:36 don't use it it's wrong loads of one example one class just one classic example classic example

01:03:42 not too long ago on twitter someone put up an image of alan rickman from robin hood prince of

01:03:50 thieves and someone else goes at grok who's that they should probably know how do you not know

01:03:55 alan rickman how do you not know prince of thieves um and grok just gave the wrong answer just said

01:04:00 someone else people like no try again and it tried like five six seven times and in the end it said

01:04:08 oh you tell me then i don't know it's like it's a really famous film really really famous actor

01:04:14 how do you not how does your your your programming your algorithm whatever it is your your mod your

01:04:21 language model and you've got access to more or less everything how can you not figure that out

01:04:25 It's Alan Rickman from Prince of Thieves, bro

01:04:29 I've seen it just factually get things wrong loads, loads

01:04:33 And then when you really press it, it was like

01:04:36 Oh yeah, no, sorry, I got that wrong

01:04:38 Or I made it up

01:04:39 I thought that's what you wanted to hear

01:04:41 I thought that was right, but I was wrong, sorry

01:04:43 Like, don't

01:04:44 It's only a large language model and it's completely fallible

01:04:48 Completely and utterly fallible

01:04:51 It's really annoying on Twitter when people ask Grok something

01:04:55 it proves their point it's wrong but then they start gloating that that's the end of the story

01:05:00 that's it's a slam dunk that's the end of the discussion oh my god oh my god yeah i did a tweet

01:05:07 just last night i've said a number of times i would john connor the hell out of all ai i'll

01:05:13 destroy it i'd have a world without it it's going to be a detriment to our civilization and humanity 0.98

01:05:20 My opinion 0.99

01:05:21 I would John Connor it to hell 0.96

01:05:26 Having said that

01:05:30 It's certainly going to have a few

01:05:33 Good things about it

01:05:35 If it helps medical research

01:05:38 For example

01:05:39 Then good

01:05:43 In some very limited senses

01:05:46 Use it to map the stars

01:05:48 More efficiently or something like that

01:05:50 Use it to translate all cuneiform or something

01:05:53 Maybe, okay

01:05:53 Maybe I want John Connor it 100%

01:05:57 Off the face of the earth

01:05:58 There's people using it all the time

01:06:02 To get their knowledge, to get their facts from 0.99

01:06:04 Ridiculous, terrible 0.98

01:06:06 Alright, shall we have a look at our 0.97

01:06:10 Rumble Rants and Super Chats

01:06:11 Shall we do that

01:06:12 Last few minutes of the show

01:06:14 Alright, Rumble Rants

01:06:17 Global Church History Unit number one there

01:06:19 What's he done?

01:06:21 Just gone half past six in the morning

01:06:22 He wants his belt back

01:06:25 He wants the title

01:06:27 And new

01:06:30 Yesterday someone called Jetlag

01:06:32 Nicked the belt off of him

01:06:33 Nicked the title

01:06:34 Hipped him to the post

01:06:35 He's got it back

01:06:38 Global Church History

01:06:39 And new

01:06:41 The two time

01:06:42 Global Church History says

01:06:45 Today in 8.41 AD

01:06:49 it would be the vikings under askier begin their seine raids the river seine it's interesting

01:06:58 yep yep very interesting because of course the normans were scandinavian they were vikings

01:07:05 essentially weren't they a little bit after that you've got king rollo it's also a 70s 60s or 70s

01:07:11 cartoon called king rollo isn't there really quaint really nice of mr ben oh cartoon king rollo

01:07:19 Love it

01:07:20 The real King Rollo 1.00

01:07:21 Was a badass Viking marauder 1.00

01:07:24 He'd rape and pillage 1.00

01:07:26 And all sorts of stuff 0.98

01:07:26 The real King Rollo

01:07:27 Anyway 0.90

01:07:28 He's the descendant of the Normans

01:07:30 Like King Rollo's

01:07:31 A descendant of

01:07:33 Or rather

01:07:33 William the Conqueror

01:07:35 Is a descendant of Rollo 1.00

01:07:36 But the Vikings 0.96

01:07:37 Yeah 0.78

01:07:37 Pillaging all the

01:07:40 All the coast of where

01:07:41 Modern day Holland and Belgium is

01:07:42 Of course

01:07:44 Yeah makes sense doesn't it

01:07:45 And then down the river Seine

01:07:47 To Paris

01:07:47 they sacked paris at one point didn't they i believe as early as 841 they were doing that

01:07:55 so it's before there's a france really right that's in sort of the mirror

01:08:00 carolingian merovingian age uh uh that'll be after charlemagne though won't it

01:08:08 it's after charlemagne still that part of the land was um they were frankish not truly

01:08:16 Truly French

01:08:17 It's a bit complicated

01:08:18 In the

01:08:18 When you use

01:08:19 Stop saying Frankish

01:08:21 And start saying France

01:08:22 But 0.97

01:08:22 They're like Frankish kings

01:08:24 Really aren't they

01:08:24 That bit of the land

01:08:26 That becomes Normandy

01:08:27 Was called

01:08:28 Neustria

01:08:30 This is all off the top of my head

01:08:31 It was like Neustria 0.95

01:08:32 Frankish king

01:08:33 You don't have Neustria 0.99

01:08:33 Vikings take it over 0.99

01:08:35 Turn it into Normandy 1.00

01:08:36 Start speaking French 1.00

01:08:38 Start becoming Christian 1.00

01:08:39 Start giving themselves 1.00

01:08:40 Names like William

01:08:41 And Richard

01:08:42 Rather than

01:08:44 Askear

01:08:46 Interesting, fascinating stuff though, fascinating stuff

01:08:48 Then you also say, on this day in 1608

01:08:51 The Protestant Union was founded

01:08:54 Uh, Allhausen

01:08:55 Yeah, it was a moment in time, wasn't it?

01:08:57 We're in the middle of the wars of religion in Europe at that point

01:08:59 Well, not in the middle, near the beginning-ish

01:09:01 There's wars for the heart and soul of Germany 0.82

01:09:07 Well, all of Europe, but Germany really 0.80

01:09:08 The Protestant Union, it didn't last all that long, did it? 0.95

01:09:11 That Protestant Union 0.74

01:09:12 It was one of the Holy Roman Emperors 0.87

01:09:15 Gone back to Catholicism 0.89

01:09:18 Well never left formally

01:09:19 But it's complicated

01:09:20 God that's a really complicated part of history

01:09:22 That is global church history

01:09:23 That's a labyrinth of history stuff there

01:09:27 To even begin to unpick all of that

01:09:29 So one of the Holy Roman emperors

01:09:31 Dialed Catholicism up a bit more

01:09:34 And as a response to that 0.92

01:09:36 You've got the Protestant Union

01:09:38 Both Lutheran and Calvinist

01:09:43 to begin to talk about that bit of history you can only scratch the surface

01:09:52 otherwise i'd need to sit here and talk for two hours

01:09:54 all right interesting though of course and the the second and only other rumble rant this morning is

01:10:02 from kaleb knight who says the odyssey musical by some guy on internet is already a better

01:10:10 adaptation the nolans oh i didn't know there was a a musical even just an internet one of the

01:10:18 odyssey that's all right i'd watch it there's been loads of adaptations of the odyssey over the years

01:10:23 none of them are brilliant in my opinion um but maybe i'll google that have a look at that

01:10:29 yeah this thing with matt damon doesn't look good i know it's like a history nerds thing to say but

01:10:37 like like a fedora wearing actually point but like it looks like from the small amounts i've

01:10:44 seen in the trailers bits and bobs the the costumes are all wrong just for start just that

01:10:52 they're all wrong some tiny little clips i've seen um the dialogue sounds dumb

01:10:59 all right they're the only two rumble rants we've got this morning what about the youtube

01:11:08 super chats harry engage there are okay great what have we got oh god there's a fair few

01:11:16 more than a dozen let's whip through them a bit we've got ac1d helm says on this day world war

01:11:26 To RAF bomb Jerry

01:11:28 For the first time

01:11:29 Oh is that right

01:11:29 That's interesting

01:11:30 For the very first time

01:11:31 It would be 0.95

01:11:35 It would be 1940 right

01:11:37 Because 1939 is

01:11:39 The war hasn't started yet 0.93

01:11:40 So okay

01:11:41 That's interesting

01:11:42 That is interesting

01:11:43 To say isn't it

01:11:43 That that far into the war

01:11:45 Mid May 1940

01:11:49 The war starts in September

01:11:52 39

01:11:53 And months and months

01:11:55 of months go by, before Churchill and Bomber Harris decide to actually bomb the Germans

01:12:05 for the first time, alright, that's interesting, something wickedly, superfan Shona says, 0.55

01:12:13 Kate wears what she's told will be a burka next, I don't know, maybe, or not a burka,

01:12:22 I doubt it. I don't know if she does wear what she's told. Maybe she does. I would have thought

01:12:26 she'd certainly have stylists. There's no question about that. I thought that pantsuit

01:12:35 looked all right. Nothing wrong with a little bit of flares on a lady. She carried it off, 1.00

01:12:42 didn't she? She pulled it off, that look, I thought. When you've got bone structure like 1.00

01:12:49 katherine middleton it's difficult to look bad i've got to stop simping

01:12:55 just to be clear my simping for kate middleton is ironic it is tongue in cheek i mean she's

01:12:59 a pretty lady i'm not questioning that but all right stop simping for for kate got it

01:13:07 shown also says it says phone a taxi phone a taxi say you have a dog no m driver

01:13:19 You know what she's saying there, Harry?

01:13:22 Did you get that? 0.60

01:13:24 Phone a taxi, say you have a dog, no M driver.

01:13:26 What's M driver?

01:13:28 Sorry, I don't know.

01:13:30 I'm sorry, maybe it's really obvious what you're saying there.

01:13:32 I don't get it. 1.00

01:13:33 No M driver.

01:13:36 Fortean Barber says, thanks anyway.

01:13:39 Fortean Barber says, morning, Bob, all right?

01:13:42 Yeah, I'm all right, mate.

01:13:43 You're all right.

01:13:44 I hope you are.

01:13:45 You say, I went to check out my friend and fellow,

01:13:48 and fellow uh barbers new barbershop celtic cuts barbers highly recommend for anyone in

01:13:56 mid cornwall right if you're in cornwall if you're in mid cornwall

01:13:59 don't get your hair cut at a foreign place go to celtic cuts barbers

01:14:06 yeah do it it's endorsed by that bodade fella off of lotus eaters so what more do you need 0.98

01:14:17 What one do you need to know?

01:14:21 Shona said, Ed, Ange and Andy, threesome madder than just two.

01:14:27 Don't, please.

01:14:30 Please.

01:14:34 I haven't had any breakfast yet.

01:14:35 My stomach's empty.

01:14:36 That's not going to...

01:14:37 Okay.

01:14:40 Shona again said, my mood is not honest.

01:14:43 Takiyah.

01:14:46 Yeah.

01:14:47 Takiya, Takiya, however you pronounce that 1.00

01:14:49 That Muslim tactic of pretending 1.00

01:14:54 Of pretending you're not like a hard, hardline Islamist 1.00

01:14:58 In order to infiltrate your enemies better, more efficiently 1.00

01:15:02 Yeah

01:15:05 Okay, BruteLife2314 says 0.59

01:15:12 At least all the people running for PM this week are British

01:15:15 more right wing than the tories loving the content bow i love bbc thank you sir

01:15:22 thank you brute life appreciate that and you're right yeah yeah you're right

01:15:27 yeah thanks that cheers appreciate it appreciate it bill wilson 1225 says

01:15:35 why does lammy not simply eat the other contenders right why not we're stopping him

01:15:45 Two more from Shona say 1.00

01:15:49 Go back to folk 1.00

01:15:53 Who don't need the money as MPs 1.00

01:15:55 Okay

01:15:58 And the other one is

01:16:00 Rent boys was a schlieffen plan

01:16:04 We'll have to find out what's going on with that

01:16:12 Surely

01:16:13 Well not surely

01:16:13 I was going to say

01:16:14 I was going to say

01:16:15 Surely they can't

01:16:16 They can't have put a full blown

01:16:18 D notice on it

01:16:20 D order

01:16:20 I always forget what the actual phrasing is

01:16:22 When

01:16:23 You're legally not allowed to report on it

01:16:26 Is it that sensitive?

01:16:28 Is it really?

01:16:30 Doesn't seem right

01:16:31 But that is a Schlieffen plan

01:16:34 A giant left hook from our enemies 0.99

01:16:37 A giant left hook from Ukraine 0.96

01:16:43 to burn down Keir Starmer's car 0.93

01:16:46 okay

01:16:48 noble Johnny Calley says

01:16:51 morning Bo

01:16:52 have you heard of James of Queensbury

01:16:57 he had become famous 1.00

01:17:00 as the cannibalistic idiot 1.00

01:17:03 after an incident in 1707 1.00

01:17:05 James was left alone in his cell

01:17:07 at Holyrood Palace by guards

01:17:09 That only vaguely rings a bell for me

01:17:14 It does ring a bell

01:17:15 But I can't know if I 1.00

01:17:16 Cannibalistic idiot 1.00

01:17:19 Did he meet 1.00

01:17:20 I can't remember

01:17:23 It sounds really interesting though

01:17:25 I'll look it up

01:17:28 That's exactly the sort of thing I'd like to spend

01:17:29 I would spend my little bit of spare time

01:17:32 I'm going to quick read about that

01:17:34 Okay

01:17:37 Shona again says

01:17:39 I never declare any five mil I get

01:17:42 Yeah

01:17:42 Yeah put it straight in the Swiss bank account

01:17:45 Straight in the Caymans

01:17:47 Every time I get given five million quid

01:17:51 That's what I do

01:17:51 Yeah

01:17:55 Okay

01:17:57 Noble Johnny Calley again says

01:17:58 James escaped

01:17:59 This is James of Queensbury again 1.00

01:18:01 The cannibalistic idiot 1.00

01:18:02 I saw you talking about 1.00

01:18:04 James escaped

01:18:05 And went into the kitchen

01:18:06 Where he found a cook's boy

01:18:08 Turning a spit

01:18:09 He seized and killed the boy 0.99

01:18:11 Then he impaled him on the spit 0.99

01:18:13 And roasted him before the fire

01:18:14 That does ring some sort of bell with me

01:18:17 But

01:18:17 Well okay

01:18:20 History is filled with such crazy things isn't it

01:18:23 If it's even true

01:18:24 Imagine doing that though

01:18:26 And then ate him

01:18:33 Interesting

01:18:33 I will google that later

01:18:34 I will google that later

01:18:35 Okay

01:18:36 Mr Molotov

01:18:37 Super fan

01:18:38 Funny on Twitter

01:18:39 he says off-topic question uh which was more based first roman triumvirate or second huh

01:18:46 which is more based this is a classic history nerds fan uh history history nerd question

01:18:55 right well so the first triumvirate what is that that's um that's crassus caesar and pompey isn't

01:19:01 it pretty based pretty based and what the second triumvirate's octavian augustus mark anthony and

01:19:09 Lepidus

01:19:10 I feel like the first

01:19:13 Traumvirate is more based

01:19:14 whatever that means in ancient

01:19:17 Roman history

01:19:18 I'm going to say first Traumvirate

01:19:21 I don't think

01:19:23 Antony is particularly based

01:19:25 maybe you could make the argument

01:19:27 it's a bit of a degenerate

01:19:29 if you

01:19:31 believe the anti

01:19:32 Mark Antony propaganda

01:19:35 I'm going to say the first Traumvirate

01:19:38 Okay, again, could break that down, make a two-hour piece of content talking about that.

01:19:43 Good question.

01:19:45 Thank you.

01:19:47 Our Rob or Ross says, in Burnham's potential seat, the Greens won every ward last week

01:19:54 and would likely win the by-election.

01:19:55 Yeah, good point.

01:19:56 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:19:57 So in that seat, Afsal Khan, yeah, the Greens swept up at the local election. 0.99

01:20:02 Very good point. 0.98

01:20:02 Should have said that in the main show.

01:20:03 Very good point.

01:20:04 Thank you.

01:20:04 And yeah, if you extrapolate that out to

01:20:07 If there was a by-election for the parliamentary seat there

01:20:11 Which isn't necessarily the case at all

01:20:14 But if you did do that

01:20:15 Yeah, the Greens would win it easily

01:20:17 Easily

01:20:19 So is that a quote-unquote safe seat for Burnham?

01:20:26 No, not at all, not really

01:20:27 And you can only imagine because of those local election results

01:20:32 Greens would try really hard there to scupper Burnham.

01:20:38 That would be so funny.

01:20:39 That would be so funny if Burnham was allowed to run for a by-election and lost.

01:20:46 Oh, my giddy aunt.

01:20:50 I might actually buy a bottle of champagne.

01:20:54 Genuinely, really.

01:20:56 And crack it open.

01:20:57 that would be hilarious okay uh shona again says somali pirate appointed boulders are for the win 0.99

01:21:08 what here boulders are here in america okay um kick you in the throat that's their name 0.90

01:21:19 at kick you in the throat says fun fact england is roughly the size of alabama with rough roughly 0.83

01:21:26 20% more coastline 0.97

01:21:27 That's interesting, yeah

01:21:29 In Britain, the isles

01:21:32 Of Great Britain

01:21:33 It's not that big

01:21:35 It's not that big

01:21:37 You're only ever something like 70 or 80 odd miles

01:21:40 From the coast, you go to the very very heart

01:21:42 Of England, geographically

01:21:44 As the crow flyers, the furthest away

01:21:46 From the sea, and you're still only something like

01:21:48 70 or 80 odd miles from the sea

01:21:49 At any given moment

01:21:50 It's not a very big island, really

01:21:53 In the scheme of things

01:21:55 One of the highest population densities in the world 0.88

01:22:00 We've got a little bit of Greenbelt left

01:22:04 A little bit of open countryside and stuff

01:22:07 A few moors

01:22:08 But if we're not careful it will turn into Coruscant

01:22:12 The whole island is one big city and suburb

01:22:17 I can see in a few centuries time that's the case

01:22:20 The whole of this island is one big city

01:22:23 I don't want that

01:22:27 I don't want that 1.00

01:22:28 I don't want my country flooded with people 0.99

01:22:31 Why should we? 0.99

01:22:34 Why should we?

01:22:38 Okay

01:22:38 Tatum2733 says

01:22:42 Who would you prefer? 1.00

01:22:45 Low MP or Bodicea as Queen? 1.00

01:22:51 Okay

01:22:53 Do you think I've got long-form content about Rome and Britain?

01:22:58 On Bode's Epochs, my history-themed show behind the paywall.

01:23:02 Do you consider joining for those £5 a month,

01:23:04 Bronze Team Membership, lotuses.com.

01:23:06 Hundreds and hundreds of hours of history-themed content,

01:23:08 me talking about history.

01:23:09 Do you reckon there's a few videos there,

01:23:10 more than one, of me talking about Rome and Britain?

01:23:15 What do you reckon?

01:23:16 Yeah? No?

01:23:18 Well, yes, yes, there is, yeah.

01:23:20 Talk all about 0.98

01:23:22 Boudiccia's revolt 1.00

01:23:25 I pronounce it Boudiccia 1.00

01:23:26 I've got no truck with all this Boudicca nonsense 1.00

01:23:29 Oh no, I was raised 1.00

01:23:31 It's Boudiccia

01:23:32 Boudicca

01:23:34 Queen Boudiccia

01:23:36 Her or Rupert Lowe

01:23:38 Well her, she was a total badass

01:23:40 She was pretty much a complete badass 1.00

01:23:43 Not that I haven't got

01:23:49 full confidence in Rupert Lowe's

01:23:51 sort of political

01:23:52 stamina, his will.

01:23:56 But I feel like

01:23:57 Bodicea would get

01:23:59 S done 1.00

01:24:00 real quick.

01:24:04 Yeah, sorry, I go for that. 1.00

01:24:07 Bodicea's not mucking about. 1.00

01:24:08 She's playing for keeps. 0.59

01:24:13 Okay.

01:24:14 Another one from Shona.

01:24:16 Oliver Reed

01:24:17 has Achilles.

01:24:19 Fight him in his day

01:24:22 Oliver Reed is Achilles

01:24:24 I don't know if you're just suggesting that

01:24:27 Or whether he did at some point play Achilles

01:24:29 In some old 60s or 70s thing

01:24:32 I've not seen that one if he did

01:24:35 Could work

01:24:37 A young Oliver Reed was

01:24:39 Could be reasonably intimidating, couldn't he?

01:24:44 I would want some giant hulking dude

01:24:47 like super super buff and ripped but a good actor is there such a thing is there such a thing as uh

01:24:55 well i was gonna say arnie like a young arnie but arnie was never a great actor was he

01:25:01 really really great but back in his day someone like arnie that would work

01:25:06 someone like slyre stallone circa rambo 2 era that's what you want sly when he was at his

01:25:13 biggest when his neck came straight out from the bottom of his ears rambo 2 rambo 3 era sly 0.96

01:25:21 that's what it should be not ellen page ellen page ridiculous ridiculous thing all right 0.99

01:25:32 barton bella says uh lewis unsolved life deletion mystery 0.50

01:25:39 is is fascinating lewis unsolved life deletion mystery is fascinating i don't know what

01:25:48 i'm sorry i don't know you've lost me there i'm afraid lewis unsolved i'm sorry i don't get it

01:25:55 sorry thanks for the super chat though okay whenever i don't get these i sort of feel like

01:26:01 it's kind of obvious what you're saying and i'm just being dumb but okay for all two three one

01:26:06 says can you accept cyclops witches and sea monsters but you don't accept a 2021 bmw 5 series 0.78

01:26:15 50 uh 530i with optional heated seating why are you so bigoted

01:26:23 that's tickled me

01:26:32 a 2021 bmw 5 series

01:26:38 why am i finding that so funny

01:26:42 so specific i think because it's so specific

01:26:47 right np npc

01:26:53 bs 3pm says what would happen if the right wing of the uk while in power uh pushed the king to

01:27:02 make the king's speech his own i am not joking what so the right imagine that some sort of

01:27:09 right-wing party got in and then said to king charles you write your own speech use your own

01:27:13 words whatever you say we as your government will just do any of it it's not a good idea

01:27:21 i don't want that you're saying what would happen if i mean well it would be a disaster because he's 1.00

01:27:28 a moron he's a crazy globalist sort of traitorous crypto lefty moron king charles sausage fingers 1.00

01:27:36 it's like cobo guther we don't want to do that in bows britain if i somehow magically found myself 1.00

01:27:41 lord protector there was still a king let's say sorry not lord protector there was still a king

01:27:45 and i was just prime minister with a massive majority i wouldn't do anything like that

01:27:50 I might even pass some legislation to curtail the king further, the monarch further

01:27:55 Muzzle them further

01:27:59 I don't really want you speaking about anything political or anything really at all 0.97

01:28:03 Sit in your palace and be willed out when we will you out

01:28:08 And say what we tell you to say

01:28:09 I don't want to hear about environmentalism from you

01:28:13 I don't want to hear about it

01:28:15 I don't want to hear about equality and stuff

01:28:20 From the king

01:28:20 Just pipe down and be quiet

01:28:23 And when we need you to read a speech

01:28:26 Our words, you can do that

01:28:27 Otherwise, shtum

01:28:29 That's my

01:28:31 That's my feeling on it

01:28:33 Okay, and the last one

01:28:36 Is this the last one?

01:28:37 Yep, okay, last one

01:28:38 From Noble Johnny Caddy again

01:28:41 Says

01:28:41 Yes, Bo, it is true

01:28:43 I learned of an old historical happenstance

01:28:46 While reading Douglas Murray's

01:28:48 Bosie

01:28:49 The Tragic Life of Lord Alfred Douglas

01:28:52 I don't know exactly what you're agreeing with me 0.92

01:28:55 That it is true

01:28:56 But 0.99

01:28:58 Bosie 1.00

01:29:00 Is that 0.93

01:29:00 The Tragic Life of Lord Alfred Douglas

01:29:03 Was that

01:29:04 The lover 0.99

01:29:09 The gay lover of 0.94

01:29:11 Oscar Wilde 0.75

01:29:13 Is that, is that who that was?

01:29:18 Sorry if I'm completely wrong, if I'm completely off the mark.

01:29:20 This is all just, is that who that was?

01:29:23 Douglas Murray wrote, if it was, Douglas Murray wrote a whole book about that.

01:29:28 Of course he did.

01:29:31 Of course he did.

01:29:34 The strange career of Douglas Murray.

01:29:39 Right. 0.97

01:29:41 We've had two more Rumble Rents come in. 0.95

01:29:42 Shall I read those? 0.99

01:29:43 Why not? I'm in no rush today

01:29:44 Two more have come in

01:29:46 Ryan Hinnigan

01:29:50 Says

01:29:51 American asking about British civics

01:29:55 If Starmer calls a snap election

01:29:57 Does the next election

01:29:59 Still happen in 2029

01:30:00 Or do you guys wait another five years for the next one

01:30:03 I believe that's the case

01:30:04 That the five years sort of reset

01:30:07 I believe that's the case

01:30:09 I might be wrong

01:30:10 The rules were changed relatively recently under Cameron

01:30:12 I say relatively

01:30:13 like 10-15 years ago

01:30:15 Cameron changed the rules

01:30:16 I believe there's

01:30:18 like a set period

01:30:18 so after

01:30:19 the next general election

01:30:20 they can call one earlier

01:30:21 if they want

01:30:22 but

01:30:22 after there's

01:30:24 a general election

01:30:24 whenever that is

01:30:25 you've then got

01:30:26 five years going forward

01:30:27 from that point

01:30:28 and they can call one earlier

01:30:29 if they want

01:30:30 but

01:30:30 I believe that's

01:30:31 I believe that's how it works now

01:30:32 yeah I believe that's how it works

01:30:36 I might be wrong

01:30:37 correct me if I'm wrong on that

01:30:38 I should know for sure

01:30:39 I'm sort of 80% confident

01:30:41 90% confident of that

01:30:42 okay and the last one the very last one jc warlock another super fan thank you sir

01:30:49 it says or or madam i don't know if you're a man or one says why does the king have such a

01:30:56 hard-on for islam it's a valid question isn't it is it because he knocked off dodie and diana

01:31:04 also Loch Ness Castle 0.80

01:31:10 we also mentioned

01:31:11 Loch Ness Castle thing

01:31:12 the Dodie and Diana

01:31:15 deaths

01:31:17 I think all the various investigations

01:31:22 concluded that

01:31:23 it was just a journalist

01:31:25 that was the journalist

01:31:28 chasing their Mercedes

01:31:30 through Paris that night

01:31:31 and that their driver was really drunk

01:31:33 I know you're only sort of mucking about half-joking but wasn't their driver shown to be

01:31:39 not just a bit drunk he was like massively drunk wasn't it if I recall rightly like he's like many

01:31:46 times over the legal driving limit he was completely sloshed anyway I think you're only

01:31:53 I think you're only largely mucking about all right that's the show it's now uh 31 minutes

01:31:59 past nine in the a.m. British summertime on Thursday the 14th of May in the year of our

01:32:05 rule 2026 you've been the glorious band the chosen few thank you for watching really genuinely

01:32:10 without you isn't a thing thank you try make the best of the day ahead you know carpe diem

01:32:15 seize the day try and make it count you'll never have this day again you've got a finite number

01:32:19 of these days on this earth if you can try and do something valuable with your time all right

01:32:26 I won't get too preachy about it.

01:32:27 Until tomorrow morning.

01:32:28 Take care.

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 14, 2026

Breakfast With Beau ｜ Thursday 14th May 2026

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