The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - Breakfast With Beau ｜ Tuesday 2nd June 2026

00:00:00.000 morning are you all right it's tuesday the second of june now in the year of our lord

00:00:15.720 2026 it's just ticked past eight in the a.m british summertime you're the glorious band

00:00:19.760 the chosen few my band of brothers and sisters as always i'm joined by my producer little harry

00:00:23.780 how are you this morning good sir morning yeah i'm all good good why am i sitting in this seat

00:00:27.920 because I've got a guest in.

00:00:30.040 Who is it?

00:00:32.320 Restore's Charlie Downs.

00:00:33.960 I love watching you do that in real life.

00:00:35.760 Really?

00:00:36.420 Yeah.

00:00:37.440 I said last time it's a privilege.

00:00:39.400 It's an honour.

00:00:39.980 Oh, well, thank you.

00:00:41.220 You flatter me, sir.

00:00:42.260 You flatter me.

00:00:43.380 All right, thanks for coming in again.

00:00:45.000 Always a pleasure.

00:00:46.040 Really, really appreciate it.

00:00:47.900 All right then, so I've got to make sure I remember.

00:00:50.220 Wait, no, this is the camera.

00:00:51.360 Okay, that's the camera.

00:00:52.920 All right.

00:00:53.500 All right.

00:00:54.100 Should we just get straight into it?

00:00:55.420 Should we stop faffing about? 0.91

00:00:56.280 Stop fannying about? 0.97

00:00:57.100 Let's. 1.00

00:00:57.420 just get straight into it let's talk about what the uh legacy couple mainstream media banging on

00:01:01.060 about i warned the glorious band the chosen few yesterday that it would be a mandy mandelson day

00:01:06.580 today um not mandy day isn't that that's you missing for a drug isn't it mandy yeah so if

00:01:13.900 you say it's like a mandy day i hope not wall to wall mandy it's gonna be an interesting show if

00:01:19.320 it is yeah yeah yeah we're gonna od on mandy mandelson news we're oding on mandelson news

00:01:28.060 i don't know which i'd prefer to be honest okay so mandelson uh files lay bare frustration

00:01:35.500 and the welfare party so there was this big dub we'll talk all about restoring all sorts of things

00:01:41.600 during the show but let's just do the headlines because nominally that's supposed to be the

00:01:45.760 the format of the show so let's let's whip through them a little bit get that out of the way and then

00:01:49.420 we can talk about make field and hit pieces and inquiries and all sorts of stuff all right so

00:01:54.340 uh the guardian then it is wall-to-wall mandy as well it really is uh mansel files revealed

00:01:59.620 scrutiny briefings sorry security briefings before vetting passed okay so declassified emails

00:02:07.660 shed more light on appointment scandal ex-us ambassadors criticism of prime minister prime

00:02:14.000 minister's lack of verve also disclosed so one thing i'll say actually is because where this was

00:02:18.680 it's well over a thousand pages of documents some some was reporting 1500 pages of documents

00:02:24.420 that actually takes more than one afternoon for journalists to go through indeed so um it may

00:02:30.560 well be over the coming few days even as much as a week really there's like a new revelation

00:02:35.040 where people have actually got to the stuff but so so far we're just getting basically it seems

00:02:40.340 like quite a lot of text messages or whatsapp messages between people have you been looking

00:02:44.840 at a new site for much over the last 24 hours i mean i was looking through the uh the dump

00:02:49.560 this morning on the train document dump yes indeed um and yeah i mean to be honest a lot

00:02:55.200 of it is incredibly mundane that's basically my takeaway um but were you looking through

00:02:59.680 the actual document yeah i've got it here in front of me yeah yeah volume two um yeah

00:03:04.540 and it's um yeah it's very very dense um and a lot of it is redacted um yeah and to be honest

00:03:10.540 a sea of tipex exactly yeah that's that's that is how i don't know who described it that way but i

00:03:14.700 did see that on one of the headlines yeah i mean look being honest i can't make heads or tails of

00:03:19.500 a lot of this it's very you know it's poorly formatted because it's literally just emails

00:03:23.180 you know on a4 sheets um but there has been some quite interesting things come out from it um

00:03:29.260 Comments about Starmer, comments about others, links to Twitter pages like Inevitable West being sent by Mandelson, which I thought was quite funny.

00:03:37.460 Really?

00:03:38.380 Inevitable West?

00:03:39.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:39.740 And various others.

00:03:40.880 Yeah.

00:03:41.120 Various other annons.

00:03:42.380 So, you know.

00:03:42.900 That's odd, isn't it?

00:03:43.680 Yeah.

00:03:43.960 I wonder why that, of all things.

00:03:45.320 Yeah.

00:03:45.780 You never know, do you?

00:03:46.740 No.

00:03:47.160 Like when Elon follows someone, someone obscure, you're like, really?

00:03:50.160 You're going to follow him?

00:03:50.920 You're going to retweet that person?

00:03:52.060 Okay.

00:03:52.380 Yes.

00:03:52.860 Like, including me, actually.

00:03:54.160 Yeah.

00:03:55.140 Okay.

00:03:56.220 Mandelson followed Inevitable West.

00:03:57.860 Right.

00:03:58.340 Weird.

00:03:58.820 Yeah.

00:03:59.260 So let's, I think the next, yeah, the iPaper's the next one.

00:04:02.120 This gives us sort of some of the best blurb.

00:04:04.080 Manson files reveal how the PM's authority crumbled.

00:04:08.080 Rare glimpse into the inner workings and private messages of UK cabinet ministers.

00:04:12.260 1,500 pages of documents do not contain any smoking gun, says the iPaper.

00:04:18.400 Although show how quickly some of Keir Starmer's key allies lost faith in his ability to lead the government.

00:04:24.400 Prime Minister's authority was

00:04:26.220 quote, destroyed, quote, by a welfare

00:04:28.380 U-turn amid Labour revolt

00:04:29.920 according to a senior loyalist in the Cabinet

00:04:32.220 Work Secretary Pat McFadden

00:04:34.320 who's been in

00:04:36.440 the Blair Wright New Labour Project since day one

00:04:38.560 he's been friends with Mandy

00:04:40.520 since the 1980s even

00:04:42.140 so Pat McFadden is about as plugged

00:04:44.460 in as you can get

00:04:45.380 also privately

00:04:48.360 accused fellow Labour MPs

00:04:50.280 of asking

00:04:51.020 who can we tax in order to

00:04:54.300 pay benefits to others in quote every meeting i have quote i mean that's been the main that's

00:05:00.460 sort of probably that's been the main thing that i've seen going around is that comment from

00:05:04.020 mcfadden yeah and it's just uh i don't know it's like something out of the thick of it it is isn't

00:05:08.640 it yeah it is isn't it a few of them a few of the pages go with um exactly that uh who's left

00:05:16.260 yeah so like the telegraph goes with who can we tax more basically yes but that is sort of

00:05:22.760 socialists who can be taxed to pay benefits front page of the the express um yeah that's probably

00:05:29.520 one of the key takeaways uh is that and it's sort of what we always knew it's like what i on on

00:05:36.580 breakfast with bow talk about and the lotus eaters is that leftist economic theory is just that yeah

00:05:43.360 it's how can we destroy millionaires and billionaires obviously obviously they need to be

00:05:48.200 destroyed then just the wealthy yes takes them into oblivion then the middle class and oh in the 0.55

00:05:54.760 end kulaks in the end working class people that have got anything left yeah that's what socialism

00:06:00.480 is it is yeah um and and so people like us would say that about this government or about rachel

00:06:06.780 reeves and it's just true i mean this sort of just vindicates that view doesn't it i think something

00:06:13.780 we may have spoken about this before Bo but you know not to get too in the weeds on you know

00:06:18.420 economic theory at half past well eight o'clock in the morning but it's like we have the worst

00:06:23.760 of all possible worlds uh economic system in this country because yes you have the socialism the

00:06:29.300 kind of arbitrary robbing of people to pay the indolent and the foreign uh just you know money

00:06:36.200 for for doing nothing um but you also have a highly kind of corporatized culture consumerist

00:06:42.200 culture where every high street in the country looks identical it's all just mcdonald's starbucks

00:06:49.120 charity shops obviously your vape shops and your turkish barbers and all the rest of it

00:06:53.740 they've become generic you know everywhere you go in the country save for the most wealthy areas

00:06:59.320 like you know i went to the lake district last year and i was walking around the high streets

00:07:02.880 in windermere and thinking oh my goodness it's an actual town it's an actual place with some

00:07:08.120 personality not like you know where i grew up or uh where i went to university or anything like

00:07:12.840 that where it's all just a kind of you know uh generic sort of um you know universalized high

00:07:18.120 street um and you know so so in that sense you don't even get the uh good out of capitalism

00:07:25.080 where you know you have uh you know ordinary people able to start businesses and become wealthy

00:07:30.400 because uh everything is monopolized by big international corporates so you know everyone 0.97

00:07:35.760 loses apart from the most wealthy and the government and the indolent like it's like you

00:07:40.440 know greed and laziness are rewarded whilst hard work and prudence are punished organized crime

00:07:46.760 and that yeah so yeah you get like a mcdonald's you get a tesco a greg's yeah plenty of gregs

00:07:52.940 yeah if you want a dirt cheap crappy sausage roll yeah you can get that yeah pound land costa yeah

00:07:59.680 costa pound land i'm not innocent i mean i'm drinking drink now and of course tons and tons

00:08:04.720 of fronts for organized crime i've got to say as well brilliant we're going to get into this um

00:08:09.620 shortly i think but i posted a tweet recently about the vape shops the turkish barbers the

00:08:15.200 american candy shops and all this nonsense that are just everywhere now they're on every high

00:08:19.200 street um and i said like look everybody knows that these are fronts for illegal activity everyone

00:08:24.740 knows that this is money laundering right but i think what a lot of people don't realize is what

00:08:29.920 the crimes what the criminal activity um that is being laundered actually is because yes you can

00:08:37.080 you know you can imagine the drug trade but also human trafficking also dark you know most darkly

00:08:44.000 uh the grooming gangs because something that our inquiry has shown um which was yeah this was

00:08:50.020 known already but i think it's been shown without a shadow of a doubt uh now since our uh testimonies

00:08:56.480 came out it is that the grooming gangs the nationwide network because it's not just isolated

00:09:02.280 cases of you know weirdo degenerates uh doing this because they enjoy it in in Bradford and

00:09:08.660 and and Luton and wherever else it is one coherent nationwide network of gangs criminal gangs but

00:09:16.260 also deal in drugs also deal in arms um and who trade rape for money that is what's happening

00:09:24.060 here so when you patronize vape shops and turkish barbers which are always empty when you frankly

00:09:30.860 engage in the drug trade you are funding the grooming gangs that's what's happening there

00:09:36.900 because it's all one criminal empire it's terrible i've said a couple of times a number of times

00:09:43.540 actually on this show if it were me if i found myself king yeah lord protector or prime minister

00:09:49.400 with a vast majority I would go to war with that yes I would spend tons and tons of political

00:09:56.800 capital time energy money throw lots of money throw lots and lots of people at it whole new

00:10:02.940 departments I would I swear to god I'd go to war with them at every possible angle yes as hard as

00:10:10.300 possible if that meant sort of some sort of quite profound civil unrest because of course they would

00:10:16.260 kick back so be it bring it on that's these gangs this this organized crime network or networks

00:10:22.400 whatever it is it's a cancer it's honestly a malignant cancer on our society on our country 0.97

00:10:28.540 it needs to be cut out and dumped in a medical bin yes or and then burnt and again for you know 1.00

00:10:34.260 to state the obvious it is all as a result of immigration largely legal immigration because

00:10:39.360 you think back in the 20th century before you know mass immigration really ramped up the kind 0.98

00:10:44.780 of crime that you'd have yeah obviously you'd still have crime but it was like the cray twins 0.52

00:10:48.980 you know they weren't you know it wasn't like organized you know gang rape uh you know uh

00:10:55.280 operations where you know 12 year old girls are changing hands uh for money and and these guys

00:11:01.760 are trading drugs for you know for the rape of children vulnerable children from care homes and

00:11:06.460 all the rest of it you know and i've got to say just just on uh restore uh in makerfield this

00:11:12.360 is a problem obviously being in greater manchester it is one of these areas that has been if not

00:11:17.860 directly then indirectly scarred by this scourge and in ashton for example one of the huge problems 0.90

00:11:24.580 they have is the high street just being colonized by vape shops and turkish barbers and so one of 0.98

00:11:29.160 our policies that we are pledging to the people of makerfield is a full investigation into what

00:11:33.440 exactly those businesses are why exactly they're there why they're always empty yet always seem to

00:11:39.200 be able to you know turn a profit yeah what is that and why haven't the council and all the police

00:11:44.340 shut them down i mean i've seen a few pieces of journalism where they do like the the standards

00:11:52.540 agencies or the police go and close them down and then they just open up again same people

00:11:57.240 so same people right the exact same people right so something more draconian needs to be done then

00:12:02.360 doesn't it yes uh absolutely no that's a that's a great thing i do think that these these vape

00:12:08.400 shops and things are uh i mean i'll probably state in the obvious but it's a symptom of something

00:12:12.880 much much bigger and much much darker yes much much bigger than just simply a yeah a front for

00:12:18.900 laundering money for drugs yeah like they're selling loads of weed and they're laundering

00:12:23.560 their money through that no no i wish it's just what yeah right yeah wish we could go back to our

00:12:29.640 good old-fashioned british gangsters like like the craze or the richardson's or albert reddin

00:12:34.580 back when they would they would bash a nonce if anything yeah they wouldn't they wouldn't uh

00:12:40.100 be part of it yeah yeah yeah and i've got to say i mean on that point the way i sort of visualize

00:12:44.760 it in my mind is these you know these shop fronts these turkish barbers and vape shops and all the

00:12:48.900 rest of it that is just merely the the facade it's the the public facing element of what is

00:12:54.300 actually a vast you know tentacles it's a massive network that stretches across the entire country

00:12:59.400 now wasn't always that way but in recent years in recent years post boris wave especially

00:13:04.160 you go anywhere and these uh these people these businesses are present of course it wasn't always

00:13:08.960 like that i remember not that long ago even like even really not that long ago i mean like 2010

00:13:15.880 or something say it's 2010 roughly this just wasn't a thing no like at all when i was a kid

00:13:21.740 in the 80s or teenager in the 90s yeah nothing not one element of this not one tiny it wasn't

00:13:27.560 like oh there's one like weird shop on the high street that no one ever goes in and everyone

00:13:32.120 sort of suspects that it's uh something nefarious is going on no no never not one thing like that

00:13:36.780 yeah so this is entirely new entirely imported so so they came here recently they can go back

00:13:43.800 they came here against our will yeah they can go back against against their will if need be 0.71

00:13:48.320 forced remigration yeah mass forced remigration yeah if millions what is the alternative yeah

00:13:54.960 right yeah just give up just allow your society to be to die to be completely and utterly uh

00:14:01.140 are destroyed with all by organized crime yeah and the worst types of organized crime yeah okay

00:14:07.680 so you might mention there a little bit about uh the inquiry yes so tell me a little bit about

00:14:13.440 what's been going on recently in the last 24 or 36 hours so yesterday we had our debate in

00:14:19.040 westminster hall uh which was prompted by a petition that we ran on the mandatory uh collection

00:14:24.600 of ethnicity data when as it pertains to child sex offenses this is not something that's currently

00:14:31.440 in place which is why there is such a dearth of data on this issue but of course the data that

00:14:37.280 we do have is damning because it points to massive over over-representation among the

00:14:42.260 pakistani muslim community primarily the muslim community more generally in the you know organized 0.95

00:14:47.860 trafficking grooming raping torturing of predominantly young white english girls 0.75

00:14:54.500 and uh in this debate rupert gave a very powerful and moving speech uh simply reading out some

00:15:01.100 quotations from the testimonies uh that we heard at the rape gang inquiry hearings in february

00:15:07.600 um these were you know harrowing to listen to at the time um even more harrowing to listen to

00:15:14.160 once again um again now that we are even more aware of the full extent of what's been going on

00:15:18.360 um he gave the testimony of a girl who had a glass bottle inserted into her private parts which then

00:15:27.220 shattered um we heard the testimony of a girl who was left bleeding from both her and these are 0.73

00:15:35.000 direct quotes both her vagina and her back passage following a gang rape at the age of i think 13 14

00:15:42.320 or 15 i'd have to check that um and as i say rupert read these out in westminster hall to an 0.59

00:15:48.440 assembly of mps um and uh you know and that was it basically and i mean the rest of the debate

00:15:55.000 was you know it was okay um there was much hand wringing about something must be done and all the

00:16:02.600 rest of it of course where we are trying to do something with our independently funded inquiry

00:16:08.040 we're shot down by both of our opponents in reform and also labor and also the mainstream press

00:16:13.640 we're told that it's pointless uh in spite of the fact that the testimonies that we have heard

00:16:18.540 um you know it's the first time these uh stories have come to light you know these girls who you

00:16:23.760 know these these survivors um have been given a platform and yeah we don't have statutory powers

00:16:28.220 of course we don't but it's better than nothing you know and um until the government is prepared

00:16:33.420 to do something this is really all we've got and so we are building our findings into our

00:16:38.640 manifesto into our policy offering as a party and Rupert put a very powerful tweet yesterday

00:16:44.540 in which he said if Restore Britain wins power the Pakistani Muslims who were engaged in these 0.99

00:16:51.340 sorts of activities and the others of course but again it's primarily Pakistani Muslims will know 0.73

00:16:56.940 the wrath of the english people in a way that they never i think could never comprehend because when 0.98

00:17:04.360 the power of the state that has thus far covered for them is turned against them they will know 0.89

00:17:10.880 justice yeah and so we are going to be publishing the full report into our rape gay inquiry um you

00:17:17.840 know with the testimonies included in the coming weeks and we're confident that the materials uh

00:17:24.100 the findings the conclusions of that report will transform the conversation in this country not

00:17:30.140 just around this issue but around everything that's gone wrong because this is the point

00:17:33.720 about the rape gangs is they are the ultimate manifestation of everything that is wrong in

00:17:39.300 because you can talk about you can talk about tax you can talk about uh you know the the decline of

00:17:44.440 our high streets and all this sort of thing and these are very important issues but when you look

00:17:47.780 at the fact that thousands tens of hundreds of thousands possibly of young vulnerable english

00:17:54.160 girls almost exclusively many of whom were living in care homes many of whom came from broken homes

00:17:59.660 but many of whom came from normal backgrounds you know fairly stable backgrounds this is not

00:18:03.840 limited to just one class um have been kidnapped groomed trafficked tortured raped and in some 0.99

00:18:14.380 cases murdered by these migrant communities which as you just said were brought here against our 0.99

00:18:19.680 will in the first place and uh remain here against the will of many of the people in this country 1.00

00:18:24.960 and um you know the fact that it was covered by covered up by not just the central government

00:18:31.840 but local police forces local health care services the local council the children's

00:18:36.920 homes themselves many of which were actually complicit in these crimes one of the testimonies

00:18:41.480 we heard included um a a portion where uh the survivor talked about how the staff at the care

00:18:48.360 home would bring the children out to the pakistani taxi drivers the taxi drivers would hoot their

00:18:53.940 horn and a child would be brought out what it's just i mean literally every aspect of this of

00:19:01.040 this it's the worst thing that's ever happened to us as a people ever in our thousands of years of

00:19:07.360 history that is my view it's worse than i mean you're the expert here but it's worse than the

00:19:10.920 harrying of the north it's worse than it's on a bigger scale it's worse than anything that has

00:19:15.440 happened in our history i mean it's sort of it's sort of unbelievable it's sickening isn't it truly

00:19:22.480 truly truly sickening when some of these girls go to the police the police just say just stop 0.98

00:19:28.140 misbehaving you're just a naughty girl you're just a prostitute or something at best they're 0.94

00:19:31.880 talking to a 14 or 15 year old girl yes and another one of the testimonies we heard and this 0.95

00:19:36.040 is a this is slightly paraphrasing but the quote was my main interaction with the police was

00:19:40.840 them raping me because the police forces themselves individual officers were not just

00:19:45.660 covering up these crimes not just turning a blind eye but actually engaged with the gangs really

00:19:50.760 yes that's largely new to me i heard one or two rumors that something like that was going on but

00:19:57.620 is that is that a thing as well well according to according to the survivors that we uh spoke to

00:20:02.920 yes it's mad that we've actually had various inquiries over the years haven't we and they've

00:20:11.280 always been ultimately an exercise in whitewashing one way or another haven't they and so this

00:20:17.320 inquiry is not that and this is what this was what was frustrating uh yesterday and i kind of

00:20:23.120 understand this because all child sexual exploitation and abuse is obviously disgusting

00:20:27.320 and evil and needs to be absolutely expunged from our society of course but the way in which certain

00:20:33.560 uh political leaders will say well it's not just limited to the you know pakistani muslim community 1.00

00:20:39.220 because as you said earlier you know plenty of uh white british people um are child sexual abusers 0.99

00:20:46.080 and so actually all child sexual abuse is wrong and it's and it's and it's immoral to identify one 0.99

00:20:50.640 as being more wrong than another when in fact in my view certainly the rape gangs are orders of

00:20:57.580 magnitude worse than individual actors uh you know in you know in a in a family or just to make school

00:21:04.840 just to make it clear for the audience where i where i was saying that earlier off camera i was

00:21:08.900 i was saying what the other side's argument was not that i believe that no so yeah just to be

00:21:13.900 clear just to be clear i wasn't playing defense on behalf of yeah no no i was saying that's what

00:21:18.000 they say yeah but you talk about what they say like politics joe or someone or other will say

00:21:22.300 oh but uh you know or navara media oh but white people also do child sex crimes as well it's like 0.93

00:21:28.680 we're not talking about that though yeah yeah that's true yeah but we're not talking about 0.96

00:21:32.920 that but we're talking about an imported problem here yeah that's what we're talking about a

00:21:37.480 voluntary an optional problem we didn't have to go down this route but our leaders chose to send

00:21:42.380 us down it for reasons that i can't even begin to wrap my head around but one of the lib dems

00:21:46.620 yesterday for example one of the lib dem mps who was present at the debate um insinuated

00:21:51.800 quite i say insinuated it was quite explicit he said certain people in this room are choosing to

00:21:59.020 focus on this particular set of crimes for questionable reasons obviously basically

00:22:04.280 accusing rupert of being a racist that was the subtext and it's like if you are still in that

00:22:09.920 mindset i just can't i can't understand yeah that that's evil i'm done with that i'm done

00:22:14.920 with listening to that yeah anymore any sort of apologetics on behalf of this evil any sort of

00:22:23.000 playing defense on their behalf in any way done with that and it's not interesting not interesting

00:22:28.400 hearing that anymore yeah like even people that say oh this inquiry rupert and restore have done

00:22:34.320 it doesn't have any statutory powers so what was the point of that it's like are you kidding me

00:22:41.740 Matt Goodwin the other day

00:22:42.700 Are you kidding me

00:22:43.420 With that argument

00:22:44.040 Yeah

00:22:44.500 Don't give me that argument 0.57

00:22:45.860 That's disgusting

00:22:47.060 Why are you saying 0.91

00:22:47.720 Why are you saying that

00:22:48.680 Why are you saying that

00:22:50.000 Of course it's of value

00:22:51.120 Yes

00:22:51.460 Of course it's important

00:22:52.760 Yeah

00:22:53.160 Matt Goodwin the other day

00:22:54.800 Said anyone

00:22:56.100 I think he said something like 0.99

00:22:57.500 Anyone dumb enough 0.99

00:22:58.460 To buy into 1.00

00:22:59.380 Lowe's grooming gang inquiry

00:23:01.360 Is this that and the other

00:23:02.580 And Connor Tomlinson

00:23:04.020 Our mutual friend

00:23:05.380 Rightly said

00:23:07.040 So the survivors

00:23:08.300 That came forward

00:23:09.080 Who'd never had a platform before

00:23:10.760 Who'd never spoken about

00:23:11.660 this publicly who bravely you know reopened that that uh that trauma that i'm sure they've all 1.00

00:23:19.180 wish they have all worked very hard to get past they're dumb are they dumb for coming up and 0.99

00:23:25.900 giving their testimony so that the british public can understand the depths of the horror that's 1.00

00:23:30.780 been going on they're dumb according to matt matt gpt well someone like matt and all the various 0.98

00:23:36.500 reform cards that are trying to pour cold water on this thing imagine the calculation they're 0.99

00:23:42.120 making in their head is it's not about sex crime it's not about the victims the horror of it the

00:23:50.780 the the unparalleled crime that's been committed against us it's about point scoring between reform

00:23:57.160 and restore that is insane and sickening that is morally bankrupt to do that as far as i'm concerned 0.65

00:24:04.500 if nigel had done this as he promised i would be 100 behind it 100 behind it 0.72

00:24:11.460 being like yes nigel's actually done something good for once yeah but based on his performance

00:24:16.580 in the westminster hall debate yesterday which to his credit he did attend i would imagine that

00:24:21.140 reforms independent rape gang inquiry would just be nigel fraud standing there saying i've been

00:24:25.400 talking about this for 12 years which is exactly what he did he did yesterday made it about himself 0.92

00:24:29.420 As he always does.

00:24:33.420 Okay, I just hope one or either of the parties that are prepared to actually talk about it

00:24:38.420 get into power, of course I would rather, because this is sort of one of the most important things.

00:24:48.420 Perhaps the most important thing, in fact it's all wrapped up in the same thing of organised crime,

00:24:53.420 actual sex crime against our women and children and mass deportations,

00:24:59.180 re-migration, it's all part of sort of the same thing, the same problem,

00:25:02.780 the same fix, all of it. 0.96

00:25:05.040 We need a government that's actually going to do it,

00:25:10.020 that's actually going to talk about it,

00:25:11.280 actually going to put in place policies to save us from this nightmare,

00:25:15.880 this ongoing nightmare.

00:25:17.480 That's the other thing that really annoys me.

00:25:19.180 I remember it was quite a while ago now, it was probably a year or two ago,

00:25:21.920 I saw Jacob Rees-Mogg on GB News

00:25:24.320 and GB News themselves

00:25:25.940 had done a bit of investigative journalism

00:25:28.120 and they were talking about how

00:25:29.320 there's still rape gangs

00:25:31.780 there's still grooming gangs all over the place

00:25:33.580 and Jacob Rees-Mogg

00:25:35.100 pretending to be shocked or surprised by that

00:25:38.200 like oh what

00:25:39.500 it's not still going on

00:25:41.840 is it? Surely not, is it?

00:25:44.100 Come on bro, come on dude

00:25:46.060 like why are you doing that?

00:25:48.440 why are you pretending you don't know?

00:25:50.560 Probably because he was in government

00:25:51.500 and could have done something about this but didn't i mean this it just we have to have

00:25:57.460 a reckoning with this there has to be one and this is kind of what i was getting at earlier

00:26:02.380 it's almost like the the rape gangs the grooming gangs um are what happen when every single thing

00:26:10.720 that has gone wrong in britain comes together and manifests because there's the individual problems

00:26:15.560 there's the corrupt policing there's the corrupt judiciary corrupt local government corrupt national

00:26:20.900 government mass immigration vulnerable young girls like the breakdown of families the breakdown of

00:26:26.540 communities the fact that particularly these towns in the north where this has been going on

00:26:32.060 at such scale these are places that have been hollowed out these are places where there's no

00:26:36.480 there's no industry there's no work they are economically deprived there's a breakdown in

00:26:41.520 again kind of family in in in values um and when all of that comes together it creates this

00:26:49.840 travesty it creates this these atrocities and so if you address as we intend to as a restored

00:26:56.360 britain government would each and every one of those problems the rape gangs will disappear now

00:27:01.160 of course we're going to go after them directly you don't you don't just deal with the the symptoms

00:27:05.120 the uh the causes you go after the symptoms as well but but ultimately it does have to be dealt

00:27:10.720 with at root it has to be dealt with at bottom and that bottom is the ruling class that bottom

00:27:17.040 is the elite that has presided over this country really since the end of the second world war

00:27:21.380 and the agenda that they have sought to impose upon us which is really the complete deconstruction

00:27:28.380 of our nation the complete deconstruction of everything is to be english and british

00:27:33.380 you know the the destruction of our culture of our history um the uh indoctrination of our people

00:27:41.060 our young people to hate themselves to um you know to to cower at the accusation of racism

00:27:47.940 as is has been most tragically demonstrated in the case of henry novak recently of course the

00:27:53.040 footage of which came out last night and it was harrowing um you know all of this needs to be

00:27:58.760 needs to be dealt with and this is the point this is what we keep saying i certainly keep saying it

00:28:03.140 it is that to merely want to conserve or reform things as they are which is what the other two

00:28:10.480 you know quote unquote right-wing parties want to do offer the british people it's nowhere near

00:28:16.020 enough yeah like what we need is a revolution what we need is to literally completely tear down

00:28:21.020 and salt the earth you know of where this regime once stood and to you know implement laws that

00:28:26.860 prevent these things from ever happening again implementing education which shows future

00:28:31.520 generations how bad things were museums and monuments to all of these these these atrocities

00:28:36.920 that we've had to suffer at the hands of this ruling class this post-war elite and their mad

00:28:42.400 ideas i love it it's music to my ears charlie it really is yeah a government that's not only got

00:28:48.300 sort of uh based ideas sort of a proper sort of patriotic nativist world view but the the guts 0.71

00:28:56.600 the balls to actually do it to grab a white hole by the scruff of the neck yeah and and and make it

00:29:03.560 happen yeah not just twiddling around the edges no afraid to tweak policy a little bit here and 0.97

00:29:08.760 there no wholesale change yes wholesale change of policies end whole departments and make new ones

00:29:14.440 if you need to staff them with new people things like that yes and it's it's the way government

00:29:19.080 often used to be done if you look at government in the 18th 19th century even sort of you look

00:29:25.000 Look how Churchill conducted government during the war, of course it's a pretty special case

00:29:29.100 world or two, but nonetheless, now you'll make massive sweeping changes, completely

00:29:33.800 unapologetically. 0.83

00:29:34.800 So again, afwera, get rid of whole departments if need be, change the budgets, change what 0.98

00:29:44.380 the Treasury does profoundly, not just tweak things here and there, but scrap whole things 0.96

00:29:51.480 and start whole new things.

00:29:53.320 And not be afraid to do it. Do it.

00:29:56.420 This is why I've been pushing a lot recently for us as a movement to liberate our minds from the false kind of left-right paradigm.

00:30:05.760 Because in my view, what that refers to is the establishment.

00:30:09.200 You have the establishment, then you have the left of the establishment and the right of the establishment.

00:30:13.360 And the thing that unites them is a shared vision for what this country should look like.

00:30:18.040 Because if you listen to Zach Polanski talk about British identity, it is indistinguishable from Richard Tice or David Bull or Zia Youssef.

00:30:26.420 They both believe that Britishness is conferred by British values and by having a passport, which is obviously complete nonsense.

00:30:34.480 And so what you realise is that it's not, you know, you don't want to join the establishment.

00:30:40.580 You don't want to be right wing because what that means or left wing is what that means is that you're joining the establishment as it currently exists.

00:30:46.540 you should think of yourself as being completely outside of that establishment and this is what i

00:30:50.620 think people are responding to with restore is they can tell that we are something completely

00:30:55.100 new completely we haven't seen this before what restore represents there's a new style of politics

00:31:00.300 which is not really it can't really be categorized in my view um as left or right because it doesn't

00:31:06.460 we don't want to make peace with the establishment and and use their you know play the game on their

00:31:10.540 terms um we want to as i said destroy the establishment and create a new establishment

00:31:15.340 which will contain within it its own left and its own right.

00:31:18.340 And I like to imagine, you know, what the left will look like under a Restore Britain government.

00:31:23.580 It will be like, you know, there'll be, like, mass deportations will be the left-wing position.

00:31:29.000 That'll be the order option.

00:31:29.880 That's the centrist dad position.

00:31:32.420 Exactly.

00:31:32.680 And just on this point, I've lost my train of thought.

00:31:37.740 Never mind.

00:31:38.120 Let's move on.

00:31:38.680 Well, I saw someone in the chat say F. Churchill.

00:31:42.740 I'm not talking about following Churchill's policies.

00:31:45.340 yeah I'm talking about how Churchill grabbed government by the horns yes how

00:31:51.100 he dominated policy government not his actual policies that's what I was gonna

00:31:54.760 say right and so and you look back at earlier prime ministers much more from

00:31:58.420 the 19th century where they would say no the direction of government my view of

00:32:03.220 my vision of what the country will be is really quite different to what it is

00:32:08.080 right now and we're gonna go that way yes not what someone like Gordon Brown

00:32:13.360 did when gordon brown got into government from tony blair he basically changed nothing he changed

00:32:17.920 like he honestly tweaked little things like the nature of when the flag would go up or down outside

00:32:22.880 number 10 something like that useful when yeah when boris got in or teresa may got in or rishi

00:32:27.840 got in they profoundly changed nothing nothing yeah and this is what that's not good enough

00:32:34.880 if rupert gets in or stock it in or whatever yes it needs to be sort of ruthless it needs to be

00:32:41.280 sort of a whole new paradigm yes again whole departments are not fit for purpose yes whole

00:32:47.660 new departments be made while those old ones are phased out things on that level yes and that's

00:32:52.720 what i was going to say just now before i lost my train of thought it is that part of the problem

00:32:57.100 of the the kind of false left-right dichotomy is you end up embracing a package of ideas which may

00:33:03.720 not actually be coherent because you think about what the right is what the right of the establishment

00:33:08.420 is it's conservative it's reformist it is kind of wears a cheap costume of patriotism but is 0.98

00:33:15.580 ultimately complacent and weak and atrophied and supine and pathetic doesn't want to do anything 0.97

00:33:21.060 doesn't want to use the states doesn't want to use power to do things whereas the left is you 0.98

00:33:27.920 know anti-patriotic but also progressive and radical and wants to use power to do things

00:33:32.320 and the idea that you have to buy into one or the other is nonsense because what we represent is

00:33:37.340 yes a patriotic force but also a force that is very very prepared to use state power to do things

00:33:43.660 you know to wield the power of the state as you're describing to create departments to destroy

00:33:48.180 departments you know to actually achieve things to progress our country in in the in the truest

00:33:53.600 sense real change not the sort of change that cameron or rishi would talk about not the sort

00:34:00.060 of change that obama was talking about yeah actual change yeah not just decline change different

00:34:05.560 flavors of decline you know something completely new that's why just the names just restore and

00:34:11.500 reform it says so much doesn't it it's so much that one is seeking to reform to move the deck

00:34:18.000 chairs around slightly yes and the other one is no yeah stop yeah stop where you are we're gonna

00:34:24.560 go back we're gonna change we're gonna take it to what we really want yes um okay and not to be

00:34:30.560 too semantic because i know we need to move on but not to deal too much in semantics but it is

00:34:34.540 i think it's really important because what does restoration mean i mean i think i think about a

00:34:39.340 you know like a manor house a grand old you know english country house which has fallen into

00:34:44.400 disrepair the windows are smashed doors kicked in there's you know there's squatters living inside

00:34:49.820 there's graffiti all over it and you know what we're seeking to do is one recognize that this

00:34:55.720 house was once great and has an ideal form which it was once close to two is not currently in that

00:35:04.480 form and is in fact in a far worse state than it was and three that things can be done to bring

00:35:10.680 that house back to its former glory kick out the squatters fix the windows fix the doors you know

00:35:16.600 fix up the garden make it beautiful have the proper people living there and and then what you

00:35:21.680 have is a restored property something that was great declined and then was made great again so

00:35:27.920 it's not about going back as such but it is about looking back recognizing what made us great

00:35:33.120 recognizing what made the house our home this country great understanding the principles that

00:35:38.600 were at play and taking those forward with us you know it is progressive in that sense it is

00:35:43.540 forward-facing but it's not progressive in the egalitarian finest sense that our leaders enjoy

00:35:49.560 i know i'm fully aware that as a history nerd you can never go back no you can never actually go

00:35:56.320 back that's that's truly go back that's an infantile thing like i don't know if at some

00:36:01.640 point you were in your teenage years or your early 20s and it crossed your mind oh it's so much easier

00:36:06.860 when I was a kid when everything was done for me and I didn't actually have to deal with adult

00:36:11.060 things yeah I wish I was a kid again but you realize actually that's sort of insane and very

00:36:16.480 very unhealthy yeah you can only ever go forward and you realize you don't actually want that as

00:36:22.300 well yeah and as well yeah yeah to be like some sort of arrested development yeah and it's the

00:36:26.600 with the country of course you can never actually go back that the past is profoundly lost to us

00:36:31.960 yes but what you can do exactly as you said is look at what made that good look at what made

00:36:37.160 that great and try to recreate that if you like try to try to emulate that as best possible or at

00:36:44.280 the very least cut out and throw away what's evil and dangerous and poisonous yes can we do that at

00:36:49.240 least can we recognize we're being poisoned here and try and do something about it that we're

00:36:54.680 bleeding out yeah can we stem the bleeding can we get a tourniquet at least you know uh okay all

00:37:02.260 right should we i'm talking about bleeding out there's the henry novak thing here jesus

00:37:06.740 christ sorry i shouldn't blaspheme um yeah so this is in the news cycle today and they released

00:37:12.560 the body cam footage i've only seen the 30 40 second clip but you said there's like a three

00:37:16.740 minute one i haven't i mean i haven't seen so i watched it this morning um first thing when i

00:37:21.260 woke up because i saw it had been released late last night weird timing but let's not read too

00:37:26.540 much into that uh and it was yeah honestly one of the most harrowing things i've ever watched

00:37:29.760 it's just it's just awful i mean and and look i mean hindsight is 20 20 and and and sure who

00:37:36.840 knows what was going through the minds of the police officers there at the time not trying to

00:37:40.180 defend them but you can literally hear novak gurgling you can hear the rattling in his breath

00:37:47.740 where he's been stabbed in the in in the lung apparently which is what happened and yet these

00:37:53.140 police officers and you can see how pale he is you can see you know he's been bleeding for an hour

00:37:57.220 at this point and um yet they still insist upon handcuffing him he says i've been stabbed the

00:38:04.140 male police officer says don't think you have mate yeah honestly one of the most one of the

00:38:08.820 most disgusting disturbing enraging things i have ever seen i mean this poor lad look at him 18 years 0.98

00:38:15.840 old that cop the male cop should not be a cop anymore yeah no he should hang um yeah like you 0.96

00:38:23.440 you see he's um well restorer want to bring back the death penalty don't you certainly do

00:38:29.840 yeah i think in certain circumstances absolutely just for the avoidance of doubt that was not an

00:38:35.200 incitement i believe that after a fair trial under a restored government i should hang okay yeah not

00:38:40.720 just a lynching no no right don't endorse that let's be clear yeah no so um yeah he's like he's

00:38:47.760 slurring his words he's sort of not moving he's certainly not resisting arrest why would you put

00:38:55.120 cuffs on him i just do not understand and that cop he's very very nonchalant is he yeah isn't

00:39:00.800 he he's like he's like uh he's like i've been stabbed i don't think you have mate anyway give

00:39:06.160 give me a hand, put the handcuffs on.

00:39:08.040 It's odd.

00:39:09.980 Well, a bit more than odd.

00:39:11.680 It's absolutely revolting.

00:39:13.980 Okay, let's talk a little bit about Makerfield, can we?

00:39:16.420 While I've got you here.

00:39:17.380 That's slightly more cheerful.

00:39:18.720 Rather than just talk about what's on the front page today.

00:39:22.060 While I've got you here, a little bit about Makerfield.

00:39:24.700 One of the things I want to ask you about is that even now,

00:39:28.340 well, at least up until last night,

00:39:30.520 the legacy corporate mainstream media

00:39:32.160 are still going with that bit of data

00:39:35.100 that shows Burnham just ahead of reform

00:39:37.360 and Restore on 7.

00:39:40.320 They're still using that bit of data,

00:39:43.300 which is well out of date now.

00:39:44.740 What, three weeks old?

00:39:45.800 Something like that?

00:39:46.100 Yeah, it was a poll of...

00:39:46.860 And it was only 370-odd people anyway.

00:39:50.660 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:51.080 So it's a really dodgy, crappy, old bit of data now.

00:39:54.180 Yeah.

00:39:54.560 And they're still using that.

00:39:55.960 Yeah.

00:39:56.260 What are your thoughts and feelings on that?

00:39:57.720 Well, I mean, it's not accurate.

00:39:58.780 If our canvassing returns are anything to go by,

00:40:01.220 and we've had thousands of people

00:40:02.640 out in the streets of Makefield

00:40:03.660 knocking on doors,

00:40:04.440 gathering voter intentions uh and based on our data seven percent is absolutely nothing close

00:40:10.580 to what we're achieving um i think the last figures that we published were 18 for us um and

00:40:17.080 as far as i'm aware it's gone up since then our prediction um but i mean local elections famously

00:40:23.120 difficult to predict uh but yeah seven percent is farcical in my view and um i think we're going

00:40:28.420 to do far better than anyone realizes to the extent that whilst we may not win i think you

00:40:34.260 winning would be incredible um but we are at the end of the day a new young party with limited

00:40:39.220 resources i think we're going to do very well um to the point where it's going to be clear that

00:40:43.540 we're not just cutting votes away from reform we actually have our own base our own people who are

00:40:51.620 in many cases uh previous non-voters i mean in makerfield 50 of the electorate didn't vote in

00:40:57.940 the 2024 general election and so if 50 i know and it's just a prime example of one of these

00:41:03.860 places in britain now where a huge number of people there just feel completely disenfranchised

00:41:09.460 they feel completely um you know disconnected from the political class unrepresented by them

00:41:14.340 uninterested in their vision and agenda for the country and this is not dissimilar to great

00:41:19.180 yarmouth great yarmouth is one of these places yeah and if our results at the local elections

00:41:23.100 there are anything to go by i think we have the potential in makerfield to massively increase

00:41:28.900 voter turnout on the previous elections and potentially do very very well no absolutely

00:41:33.900 absolutely that 50 percent of completely disenfranchised dis disenchanted voters

00:41:40.020 that's massive rupert and restore do seem to be speaking to those people if if the certainly if

00:41:46.520 the great yarmouth local election results anything to go by if restore come third in this that's a

00:41:52.120 remarkable achievement yeah if they come third and there's clear light between the whoever comes

00:41:58.380 forth conservative green libden whatever when it looks like it looks like at least that's going to

00:42:02.560 be the case yeah absolute least that's going to be the case that's an achievement if they come

00:42:07.580 second really really quite remarkable and if they win it which i wouldn't rule out no not me that i

00:42:14.260 really really wouldn't rule it out um that is something i hesitate to get to uh take it too

00:42:21.540 fast to call it something like seismic but it will be a bellwether it will be something really

00:42:26.880 quite well it'd actually probably be something close to unprecedented yes that such a new party

00:42:32.200 basically a brand new party could come in somewhere and just win a by-election like that

00:42:37.000 against against a big beast like burnham who's trying to use the entire as much of the labour

00:42:45.080 party apparatus as possible a known household name type person to beat him restore could could

00:42:52.820 win that by-election and as i say even if they come third that's in the scheme of things quite

00:42:59.440 a big win well we would have beat the conservatives beat the lib dems beat the greens you know i think

00:43:04.960 yeah it's important to manage expectations obviously um but i'm i mean based on the data

00:43:09.180 that we're seeing i am confident that we're going to do very very well yeah from everything i've

00:43:12.640 heard and i've heard a fair bit you know know a whole bunch of people um i know some people really

00:43:19.400 well that have been there been actually on the streets knocking on doors and things and they say

00:43:23.440 they do say just the reality just the straight up reality on the street is that quite a lot of

00:43:29.380 people are talking about restoring Rupert yeah and our presence is is visible because we have

00:43:35.700 you know as as all parties do really but we have signs that people can put up in their gardens if

00:43:39.940 they wish to show their support for us and again back to Great Yarmouth when we were campaigning

00:43:44.500 there at the locals hundreds of those signs were up and they were the only signs that were up we

00:43:48.060 saw i saw in my canvassing experience there i saw one labor sign i think three green signs a couple

00:43:54.080 of reform signs and dozens of great yarmouth first restored britain signs and in makerfield

00:43:59.480 there is again a huge number of our signs going up and that physical presence that kind of physical

00:44:04.800 show of strength does a huge amount to i think the psyche of a place because it shows you actually

00:44:09.660 this is not a kind of minor party that's just going to split the vote this is actually a serious

00:44:14.500 party with its own offering that is genuinely different to all of the other parties on offer

00:44:18.280 here let's actually look into them let's see what they're offering for the area and i think what

00:44:22.260 people are finding this is this is the case nationwide but especially at this by-election

00:44:26.300 is that the more they get to know restore britain the more they get to know rupert as a man the more

00:44:31.560 they like him the more they like our party the more they like our agenda not just for the area

00:44:35.560 but for the country and that's because again this idea that there's no difference between reform and

00:44:40.180 restore is is plainly nonsensical because if you read i mean you read out from reformed cards

00:44:45.700 policies and it's i mean it's it's completely different to to the wetness the weakness of

00:44:50.520 reform and as such as you know bo there's been a string of hit pieces against us over the last

00:44:56.020 couple of weeks myself personally they've decided to move from ignoring you yeah to attacking you

00:45:02.580 yeah i mean one came out on on me personally in guido forks uh just last night and it's i mean

00:45:07.180 very very thin stuff it was basically talking about how i uh the first job that i did in politics

00:45:11.860 was um managing an independent candidate for mayor of london's uh campaign and um in the article it

00:45:17.720 was quite funny because it said uh the candidate got 26 000 votes which to be fair to downs is a

00:45:22.380 very strong showing for an independent candidate so they can't even you know they can't do a hit

00:45:25.800 piece without without praising us um but no i mean many of these hit pieces has have come from

00:45:31.080 reform aligned mouthpieces they've also come from people that don't like our position on foreign

00:45:38.720 policy that's been a real kind of feature of a lot of these for some reason don't know why that

00:45:43.800 is relevant to a by-election in makerfield but in the mail in spiked in the times and in various

00:45:50.600 other places yeah we've been the target of all sorts of smears which i take to be only a good

00:45:55.720 thing because it shows you that they are actually afraid of us now yeah you're over the target all

00:46:00.200 those sorts of things yeah and the fact that they fall so flat so hollow i mean i've i've been

00:46:04.720 attacked you know a number of times on like hope not hate or whatever it's it's a badge of honor

00:46:09.180 really yeah it means you've annoyed the right people basically is all it is because of course

00:46:16.300 you know what it's like being on twitter and being in the public eye you get can and do get attacked

00:46:20.900 verbally uh from every single angle and i don't know about for you but for me a very very small

00:46:27.200 amount of it very very small amount of it ever hits home yeah where i'm like oh okay that's so

00:46:32.560 true that's actually hurt me oh you've got a point there like 99 plus of it yeah is laughable yeah

00:46:39.360 absolutely laughable and nearly everything i've seen or if not everything i've seen in the last

00:46:44.080 week or so that's attack pieces on restore i'm like that's just streisand effect yeah yeah bring

00:46:50.640 it that's just more streisand effect for us yes well the one that always gets me and uh you know

00:46:55.520 know me and my my comrades talk about harrison pitt lewis brackwell connor and others is the ones

00:47:01.300 that call us grifters because this just doesn't make any sense to me because all of us at one

00:47:05.200 point or another had the opportunity to shut our mouths and get in with reform uk or get in with

00:47:09.980 the conservative party and if we'd really been just about our own status and our and you know

00:47:15.460 making money or whatever out of this business we could have very easily done that but all of us

00:47:19.980 chose not to all of us to go chose to go this path of um refusing to uh kind of compromise on

00:47:26.860 our principles and join parties like that um and really only allying with those parties in the past

00:47:32.220 out of convenience because they were the only vehicles available now that we have restored

00:47:36.000 we have a you know a genuine party and and and man future prime minister that we can get behind

00:47:42.560 and so the idea that we're somehow uh you know like fake or only in it for for the paycheck or

00:47:49.160 something is is again nonsense i just don't i don't understand this line of argument but as you

00:47:53.640 say i mean many of the arguments made in these hit pieces against us have been similarly absurd

00:47:58.020 really weak thin stuff the projection from ex-tory wannabe spads turned wannabe reform spads yeah

00:48:06.160 accusing you guys no it's like when i was in reform yeah uh it was because there was at that

00:48:12.200 point in time yeah there was no other option yeah obviously i want obviously but i would never want

00:48:17.560 to get involved in the Tory party never ever ever so the only thing short of like trying to do

00:48:23.000 something with like um homeland or heritage party or something short of that the only option was

00:48:29.880 reform I got involved in reform when Richard Tice was the leader and they were polling at like two

00:48:34.000 three percent as did I right and but so okay I was too spicy for them there was nothing there was

00:48:39.660 nothing else realistically okay I was too spicy for them they kicked me out all right I'm not so

00:48:44.860 butthurt about that that that's what drives like a lot of people say oh it's just a revenge project

00:48:51.380 on Nigel no I don't like Nigel yeah I don't think he's good enough I think he's weak source I think

00:48:55.620 he's a containment project a vanity project all that but that's not what's motivating me no of 0.99

00:49:00.300 course not not at all I mean it's about trying to save my country from a sectarian nightmare 0.91

00:49:05.080 yeah and I truly believe that Rupert and Restore is the most realistic option yeah certainly more 0.96

00:49:10.900 better just simply better than reform for that yeah that's what i care about and this is i want

00:49:16.680 to try and reduce the number of murders and rapes that are going on in my country yeah i want to try

00:49:20.920 and save my people my country from annihilation yeah and i've made the calculation that restore

00:49:28.780 is is the best most realistic vehicle to even have a shot at doing that yeah and this is the

00:49:34.460 point politics is all about compromise unfortunately yeah yeah guys like us it's an end it's an endless

00:49:39.540 exercising compromise but of course it is and this is the point again like on this not to go on go on

00:49:43.560 too much about these these hit pieces because like genuinely they don't bother me but it's just

00:49:47.400 interesting one of them against me a few months back was about the fact that i had applied to

00:49:52.560 work for robert jenrich in 2024 now bearing in mind this was at a time when reform were uh it

00:49:58.940 was increasingly evident that reform were not what we thought they were and um you know therefore

00:50:04.880 I thought well as a as a as a nationalist as someone who wants to save this country what are

00:50:11.240 the vehicles available to me at the time Robert Jenrick was saying some fairly based stuff so

00:50:16.480 and he was hiring in his office so okay I'll shoot off an application why not if it works out it works

00:50:20.780 out that then gets leaked to the press by his office by the way which is incredibly scummy

00:50:25.360 because it's like what are you doing sharing private details of a job applicant to the press

00:50:29.300 and in some way to to kind of uh you know uh discredit me in some kind of sense it's like

00:50:33.980 the people that use that against me i just don't because it's like what did you think i was doing

00:50:37.400 like i'm not if you followed my work for any amount of time you know i'm not a tory i hate

00:50:41.540 conservatives and i'm not a conservative myself um it's you know it's all about a means to an end

00:50:46.380 it's about you working with the materials you have um at a given time and the same goes for reform

00:50:51.300 you know i've been involved i was involved with reform in the past because they were the only

00:50:55.300 viable vehicle at the time and again what's so refreshing now what's so rewarding now is the

00:51:00.720 fact that we have a party that it's not just a kind of alliance of convenience it's not just

00:51:05.680 the least worst option it's actually something positive it's actually something that we can

00:51:09.860 genuinely get yes yes and that's why i have got behind it that's why i've put my entire

00:51:13.840 you know personal and professional reputation on the line to back and and and you know be part of

00:51:19.480 restored britain from day one and to make rupert lowe prime minister like if that's if that's

00:51:23.160 grifting then you know yeah i don't know what that means fine yeah that is one of the probably

00:51:27.620 arguably for me anyway for me one of the great things about restore is that not only is it not

00:51:33.880 merely one man and the social media account not that it's merely some angry young right words on

00:51:40.800 twitter that is so much more than that and that it's positive yeah people have got optimism about

00:51:48.720 it when you go on the ground in somewhere like great yarmouth or makerfield or any sort of local

00:51:52.900 branch meeting it's there is an anger there is a rage there motivating people it's not nihilistic

00:52:00.100 but right exactly but there's there's it's that nothing is over nothing is lost actually now

00:52:08.700 we're happy we're over the moon even that there's something we can do yes there's actually something

00:52:16.280 we can get behind that a bit of hope dare I dare I use the word yeah dare I even dream of using the

00:52:23.600 words yeah just whisper the word hope yeah hope yeah there's a little bit of bloody hope and

00:52:29.580 optimism and that is gold dust you can't buy that yeah you cannot buy that and restore seems to have

00:52:36.640 a little bit of it and I have not really known it my whole life no and uh it makes my heart swell

00:52:43.020 it really does it's a wonderful thing yeah this is the point i think is uh you know some have

00:52:47.800 again including uh matt bad loss has have accused us of being of being nihilists and it's like i'm

00:52:53.660 not a nihilist i'm a christian i'm an englishman i you know i i won the lottery of life by being

00:52:58.180 born in this country yeah things are a bit bleak but actually the idea that anything is done

00:53:01.720 is ridiculous it's for the birds i'm not a nihilist i despise defeatism yeah i won't have it

00:53:06.940 yeah i'm not gonna have it defeatism i'm not i often dislike accelerationism even yeah um but 0.93

00:53:15.600 doomerism and defeatism no no i don't hear of it yeah don't come to me with that yeah no nothing

00:53:22.460 is over nothing is over we've barely begun actually yeah you want me to just roll over and accept it

00:53:27.700 to become a minority in my own ancestral homeland a despised and marginalized minority in my own

00:53:33.520 ancestral homeland and ultimately give up just give up just cower in a basement in silence yeah

00:53:39.140 while your whole country and people are destroyed no no i'm not doing that yeah no you can go and

00:53:43.600 do that if you want to go and do that but i'm not doing that yeah so nihilism and again i think the

00:53:48.600 time scale that modern people not nihilist no the time scale modern people think on is also part of

00:53:53.780 the problem because i think we do think in terms of election cycles we think about what's happening

00:53:57.080 in in five years in 10 years 15 20 years that's generally the time horizon that many people have

00:54:02.100 but actually we need to be thinking on hundreds of years thousands of years you know we're a

00:54:06.840 thousand we're a thousand year old kingdom that's what england is and we need to be thinking about

00:54:11.040 where we're going to be in the next thousand years like this is not about like uh sort of

00:54:15.480 minor tweaking this is about civilization you know this is about the future of our people yeah

00:54:20.500 for the the the type of country that our uh great great great grandchildren will inherit

00:54:29.320 exactly will it be a hellscape or not i mean that is the question isn't it and this sort of thing

00:54:35.940 where richard tyce and many others have said oh well i don't care what happens in the next but in

00:54:41.000 next 30 40 years because i'll be dead it won't matter to me that is that's pretty much evil

00:54:46.300 yeah it's not just sort of wrong-headed yeah or slightly annoying or frustrating to hear that's

00:54:51.480 evil yeah that's at odds with everything our ancestors ever thought and did like what is that

00:54:58.860 that attitude of i won't be here so who cares yeah again it's sickening really to me it's actually

00:55:05.720 it's the it's the 180 of what is the the the frame of mind needed yes the exact opposite of

00:55:12.400 of what's needed okay all right we're getting towards it's very nearly the top of the hour so

00:55:17.660 if i quickly whip through on this day in history bit and then we'll do some super chats which um

00:55:22.460 which uh we've been we've been yeah so i always do this every day but i'll quickly whip through

00:55:28.960 it it says on this day which is the second of june in the year 455 king jaseric it said it's

00:55:35.820 written there jaseric i've always known it as jenceric king of the vandals uh sacks rome and

00:55:41.720 looting continues for 14 days of course of course aleric sacked rome back in 410 so it wasn't

00:55:47.100 the first sacking since brennus nonetheless this one was much worse than aleric sacking

00:55:54.460 so it's sort of like sort of the end of rome in the west by that point not exactly but

00:56:01.320 that genzeric sacking was quite something in on this day in 1862 robert e lee takes command of

00:56:07.640 the confederate armies of northern virginia uh during the american civil war and of course

00:56:11.820 robert e lee was a battlefield tactical master um kept kept the civil war going a lot longer than

00:56:18.900 probably otherwise would have done because he was so good as a general a general's general

00:56:23.420 uh what did they call they called him something like uh what is it they called him something like

00:56:29.140 as a term of endearment like uh nanny lee or something like that he had like white hair yeah

00:56:37.840 But he treated his men really well, like a kindly old nanny.

00:56:41.160 Oh, right.

00:56:41.760 But that was a term of endearment.

00:56:43.160 I thought they called him something like that.

00:56:44.420 Anyway, on this day in 1896, Italian engineer and inventor Marconi applies for the first ever patent for a system of wireless telegraphy in the United Kingdom.

00:56:52.880 Yeah, Marconi.

00:56:53.420 The Marconi company to this day is one of the biggest ones, isn't it?

00:56:56.860 Okay, on this day in 1953, the Queen's coronation.

00:56:59.560 Wow.

00:57:01.140 There she is, the young Queen.

00:57:02.300 and on this day in 1989 10,000 Chinese soldiers are blocked by 100,000 citizens in Tiananmen Square

00:57:09.500 after the death of, what was it, Hu, not Hu Jintao, Hu, Yeo Bang or something.

00:57:18.320 He was their leader and he was sort of slightly more liberal, not in our sense of the word liberal,

00:57:24.020 but liberal for a ruling member of the CCP.

00:57:27.120 and he died and students at that time thought they could sort of rise up a bit and claim their

00:57:33.820 country back in some way but in the end they're all massacred by that not all a lot of them were

00:57:38.920 massacred by the army I once shared there you go there you go that's it I once shared a house when

00:57:43.380 I was young when you have to share a house like five other people I shared a house with a Chinese

00:57:47.820 girl she was the girlfriend of the person I was living with Chinese somehow at some point Tiananmen

00:57:52.040 Square came up that iconic iconic image of the guy with his carrier bag standing in front of a

00:57:56.800 tank don't know how it came up but it did and uh she said he's he's still alive they didn't hurt

00:58:01.800 him nothing really happened there there was no massacre in Tiananmen Square that was all sort of 0.57

00:58:05.920 that's western propaganda absolute insane liars and nonsense no there was a massacre there yeah 0.87

00:58:11.880 there was a terrible massacre of people there the army firing into crowds crushing people 0.98

00:58:17.440 under armored vehicles and all sorts of stuff so that's who the CCP are it's the same regime to

00:58:23.620 this day yeah occasionally you get people because i'm quite hard-line against china some people say

00:58:29.340 why are you so hard-line against china why am i supposed to worry about fear china get real get 0.66

00:58:34.300 a clue get a clue they're one of they're one of the worst cabals in the entire world yes all right 0.95

00:58:40.380 let's do the rumble enter super chats hopefully we'll have something that we can chat a little

00:58:44.620 bit about just on that very quickly yeah i i don't like that tendency in certain elements of our

00:58:49.880 spheres of just being contrarian for the sake of it and saying like actually china is based and

00:58:54.520 russia is based it's like they're not they're not there are enemies yeah you know yeah oh absolutely

00:58:59.120 yeah they are strategic enemies yeah yeah yeah if they could live in a world where we didn't exist

00:59:04.500 they would yeah yeah all right first in is a busted brian busted brian says my apologies

00:59:12.480 regarding me trying to correct you last week about the digwa trial oh yeah this was a chap he said

00:59:17.000 it was not murder

00:59:19.140 it was manslaughter that he was convicted on

00:59:21.300 but I think that's just wrong

00:59:22.420 it was just murder

00:59:23.660 so that's fine Bustin Brian

00:59:25.400 don't worry about it

00:59:26.180 you got it wrong

00:59:27.220 what the hell is a digwer?

00:59:28.840 yeah

00:59:29.180 I had facts wrong due to a misunderstanding

00:59:33.080 no worries mate

00:59:33.880 I thought the judge set aside the jury's verdict

00:59:36.420 here's a coffee on me

00:59:37.380 well thank you

00:59:37.940 thank you very much

00:59:38.920 and don't worry about it

00:59:40.260 we'll you know no problem

00:59:41.360 we'll get things wrong

00:59:42.040 okay

00:59:42.460 global church history in at number two

00:59:44.640 he's usually in at number one most mornings

00:59:46.160 pardon me

00:59:48.800 he says

00:59:49.920 on this day

00:59:50.580 in 260 AD

00:59:51.440 Emperor

00:59:52.020 Chao Mao's

00:59:53.040 attempt to

00:59:54.000 oust his 1.00

00:59:54.900 Magidorno

00:59:56.580 Seema

00:59:57.620 Zhao

00:59:58.120 failed

00:59:58.640 I don't know

00:59:59.320 anything about that

00:59:59.900 I'm afraid

01:00:00.240 I can't really

01:00:00.660 comment on that

01:00:01.240 he's out

01:00:01.800 history road me

01:00:02.520 on that one

01:00:02.980 and he died

01:00:05.100 instead

01:00:05.480 and on this day

01:00:06.260 in 1608

01:00:06.920 the Virginia

01:00:07.480 colony received

01:00:08.400 its charter

01:00:08.880 I know much

01:00:09.620 more about that

01:00:10.360 Virginia

01:00:11.500 obviously 1.00

01:00:12.440 like a lot

01:00:13.380 of the founding

01:00:13.840 fathers were

01:00:14.460 Virginiamen

01:00:15.140 yes

01:00:15.600 Like Jefferson

01:00:16.700 Jefferson was a Virginia man

01:00:19.340 I think Washington was as well

01:00:21.300 And I find it really interesting

01:00:24.940 Even up to the late 1770s

01:00:27.440 Quite often these people

01:00:28.760 The state that they were from

01:00:30.760 Was their country 0.90

01:00:31.660 Because of course there was no United States

01:00:34.580 If you asked

01:00:36.540 Someone like Jefferson or Washington

01:00:38.440 They would say I'm a Virginia man

01:00:39.980 I'm not an Englishman

01:00:41.300 I'm obviously not an American yet

01:00:43.080 A citizen of the United States

01:00:44.980 i'm a virginian man my country is virginia that in fact that we were just talking about

01:00:49.460 robert e lee that's what he would say when he was asked do you want like because they wanted him to

01:00:55.100 fight for the confetti they wanted him to fight for the union um because he was one of the best

01:00:59.860 generals and he had to decide between whether his country his loyalty was to the united states or

01:01:07.080 to virginia and obviously he chose virginia but anyway i find that interesting it is in a way it

01:01:13.700 does make more sense i mean the modern idea of the united states i do find quite it's quite a

01:01:18.000 kind of um you know it's an empire right it's a continental empire it's not one country it doesn't

01:01:25.120 you know we're talking about 300 330 million people here with with states the size that it's

01:01:30.100 one nation indivisible yeah i don't know about that it's indivisible under the eyes of god

01:01:36.240 i don't know hamilton would disagree i've got content about hamilton anyway anyway we'll move

01:01:44.760 on i'm not a secessionist we had radley abond the other day i think he's a secession oh yeah

01:01:49.160 there's plenty of americans that do that do think that yeah um but i think the republic has done

01:01:54.620 remarkably well for itself um under that paradigm okay let's move on jeffrey farnell says i feel

01:02:02.640 more and more like the snes game super nintendo that must be before your time it is but i played

01:02:07.300 chrono on an emulator when i was growing up oh well well i had a snes in real life i got it when

01:02:12.600 it came out it must be 10 or 11 or 12 it was the best thing ever yeah best christmas ever some of

01:02:17.360 my favorite games on the snes but i've never played that he says have you not it's great he

01:02:21.460 says i feel more and more like the snes game chrono trigger yes had the best prediction of

01:02:27.260 the future where we have robots but we're all actually poor and destitute i've never played

01:02:32.740 i've not even heard of chrono it's brilliant it's yeah it's just an rpg it's a top down uh yeah

01:02:38.100 beautiful as well amazing uh visual style oh sounds nice worth a play that's nice i might

01:02:43.260 have my snes somewhere somewhere in a loft somewhere one of my relatives have still got it

01:02:47.920 i don't know snes was great when it first came out all right um jeffrey farnell again says

01:02:53.720 continued but that's okay because some plucky friends from around the 17th century will travel

01:02:58.920 through time and and to save the past and the future great game i love the showbo well thank

01:03:04.900 you very much for that sentiment what's the thing about people traveling back from the 17th there's

01:03:08.620 there's time traveling oh all right oh okay fair enough fair enough okay fallen firebird says

01:03:12.840 when i hear the demotic uh demonic accounts of the rape gangs i feel a sort of soul rot i can

01:03:18.500 barely describe yeah it's an awful fusion of helplessness anger hate sorrow and a yearning

01:03:25.100 to stop it at all costs yeah yeah that's articulated very well for all and firebird yeah i feel that

01:03:30.940 those exact same things yeah anger a rage a sorrow yeah all those things i mean look not not to get

01:03:38.800 it all get all theological but i mean i do view these things through you know through the lens

01:03:43.240 of being a christian and that like soul rot it's a really interesting choice of language there

01:03:48.040 because what you're dealing with is is wrath you know wrath which is which is a sin ultimately it's

01:03:53.340 a deadly sin and that kind of that black the black hatred that you feel in your heart when

01:03:59.220 you hear these accounts can be harnessed and can be used for the good but in and of itself is you

01:04:04.820 know is not something to in my view is not something to entertain we said we have to be

01:04:08.560 just we have to be honest well yeah that's the thing i wrote in my article that was very briefly

01:04:13.260 put on the mallard before they shit their pants i'm not supposed to swear on the bow show apologies

01:04:20.940 everyone for that uh before mallard lost their nerve and i don't know i don't even know uh the 0.80

01:04:28.380 hope not hate picked up on uh they got me deselected from reform in that i said we need

01:04:34.380 to do something really drastic forced re-migration but we need to do it without disgracing ourselves

01:04:40.780 yes i remember i remember reading this piece because it's not going to be pretty yeah

01:04:45.340 forced me re-migration deporting millions of people many of them against their will

01:04:49.580 that's not going to look pretty yeah but we need to we should be able to do it without

01:04:53.420 disgracing ourselves yeah humanely yeah yeah um yeah and yeah and what you say about from the

01:04:59.020 christian angle uh because you know jesus would talk about how love your enemy as much as you

01:05:04.780 love yourself and things like that as much as you love your friends and stuff but he also did

01:05:08.780 turn the tables over in there in the in the temple did yeah it did also say

01:05:14.120 sometimes take up a sword yes sometimes go out and buy a sword yeah because it's

01:05:20.660 actually righteous the right thing to do to fight against things that are truly

01:05:24.260 truly evil and wrong yeah and good well you can read the Gospels a number of

01:05:29.520 different ways can't you can find us that you can find passages that justify

01:05:34.100 very very different things yeah aren't you yeah this idea of loving your enemy

01:05:38.240 I mean, it's the most challenging and radical idea in human history, but what it really means is wanting the salvation of the souls of your enemies, because there's nothing worse than a fate of being disconnected from God by living in a sinful way.

01:05:55.300 so you know the rape gang perpetrators ultimately as christians we should still uh pray for their

01:06:00.220 conversion and for their um for their repentance but the most effective way for them to convert 0.53

01:06:06.700 and repent is to tell them that tomorrow you're going to be executed you better get right with

01:06:11.160 god you know to want to want the best for them is is to is to punish them justly because it's

01:06:17.220 actually it's actually you know it's weirdly uh it's it's it's hateful to not um you know uh to

01:06:24.760 punish someone justly for something they've done wrong but as a father if your son does something

01:06:29.600 wrong if he if he swears at your wife at his mother then not punishing him is not that's not

01:06:34.720 a loving thing to do you know letting things slide that's not loving because you don't have

01:06:38.080 their best interest at heart when you do that and the same goes for criminals you know if you have

01:06:42.300 their best interests at heart you punish them justly yeah well as a non-christian myself or

01:06:48.260 perhaps you might say a lapsed christian something like that uh i'm not concerned with their soul

01:06:52.760 yeah fair enough just the punishment will do me all right so uh the last rubble run here gwff says

01:06:58.940 restore compulsory national service um allow a choice of occupation but mandate it to be public

01:07:07.000 front-facing service jobs if not in the armed forces nhs or fire brigade youngins belong in

01:07:13.280 society i don't think it's a terrible idea no no there's loads of countries to this day you still

01:07:18.400 have national service greece israel a number of countries where um yeah if you're at a certain

01:07:23.740 point in your life you know probably just after uni something like that maybe when you're 19 20

01:07:29.240 21 you take a you you're forced by the state to take a year out and do some national service not

01:07:35.900 necessarily in the army as exactly as gwff says they're not necessarily in the army especially

01:07:40.060 if we've got like a million plus needs yeah that are literally sitting at home doing nothing yeah

01:07:45.500 quite literally twiddling their thumbs why not let them work in like the nhs or the fire brigade

01:07:52.040 or something or even in the armed services for a year yeah it's not a terrible idea i don't think

01:07:58.760 I don't think 100% forced every single person

01:08:02.140 Well, anyway

01:08:05.940 It's not a terrible idea

01:08:07.060 Harry, can you bring up the YouTube superchats for me, please?

01:08:10.200 You have to do that

01:08:10.940 Could you make it so engaged?

01:08:13.700 There they are

01:08:14.080 Okay

01:08:14.580 How many have we got here?

01:08:16.060 Roughly a dozen or more

01:08:18.120 Let me quickly rattle through these things

01:08:20.780 Global church history

01:08:21.600 Oh, he's done YouTube and Rumble Rants

01:08:24.540 First in on YouTube

01:08:26.920 Still at number one

01:08:28.120 um it's the feast of the visitation in anglicanism what today i take it okay that's very interesting

01:08:36.000 thank you very much i um the cayman live says hi up lads hope you're both well charlie what's

01:08:41.520 your opinion on the bbc not bo's breakfast club um in a is this theoretical in a theoretical

01:08:49.920 restore government would you shut it down completely or make it actually impartial and

01:08:54.280 or based so i mean there's two answers to that the first is restores policy as things stand

01:08:59.180 um which is to defund the bbc um and essentially let it wither um in the market um which you know

01:09:05.980 i'm not entirely opposed to um but equally not being a libertarian i do think that there is and

01:09:12.040 this is my personal view this is not the view of the party okay my personal view is that an

01:09:16.440 institution like the bbc a state broadcaster um is quite a useful thing to have if it's got the

01:09:22.200 right people in it if it's essentially staffed by patriots uh then it can be a very powerful thing

01:09:27.400 it can be a powerful thing for uh you know identifying talent for giving a platform to

01:09:32.160 people who may not otherwise have one um and for disseminating um you know high quality information

01:09:40.020 about our civilization whether that's historical whether that's about what's going on at the

01:09:43.760 moment um you know or fictional for that matter because i think there's you know i've often

01:09:48.960 thought that i will know when britain has has re-entered world history when we have a booming

01:09:54.760 uh film industry because there's so much that you could do with our history so you know if you had a

01:09:59.840 high budget a great director and uh and you know the right uh talent you could make some incredible

01:10:05.900 historical dramas using modern technology um from our thousands of years of history and the bbc is

01:10:12.920 an institution i think acting as a platform for that kind of thing um would be only a good thing

01:10:17.220 and again if the bbc was putting out you know uh the kinds you know propagating the kinds of ideas

01:10:22.420 that you and i both believe in i think it would be only a good thing like i'm not opposed to the

01:10:26.300 bbc in principle because you know because it's a you know because it's state funded or whatever

01:10:30.160 um yeah i think the state as we were talking about earlier i think the state in the right

01:10:34.420 hands can be used for good and the bbc is no exception to that interesting interesting do you 0.96

01:10:39.200 disagree i would annihilate it i would annihilate it i would take away its royal charter defund it 0.93

01:10:45.660 entirely and um march everyone out of there get the parachute regiment so much i think it's pure 0.96

01:10:54.020 evil i think it's always been pure evil yeah make a new one perhaps make a new state media organ 0.97

01:10:59.860 yeah but the bbc deserves to die okay in my opinion okay i think it's evil it beams evil 0.98

01:11:07.540 anti-white propaganda into people's households right now that is true yes i do actually i do 0.99

01:11:14.340 understand your view though and perhaps it's the more prudent way of doing it and i think there's

01:11:20.640 i feel like i feel like the bbc should be punished for its crimes against the people at this yeah i

01:11:27.060 suppose so i mean but make a new one make something entirely new the bbbc yeah british

01:11:31.900 broadcast the new bbc or something yeah but as it is afwera yeah it would be i feel like it would

01:11:38.100 be more difficult to change everyone out change the culture entirely change every single senior 0.81

01:11:44.100 a person out for somebody based yeah that it would be easier just to kill it yeah and start

01:11:49.180 something entirely new that's gb news into public ownership that's why okay no that can go as well

01:11:54.740 they can go as well uh they haven't had me on uh i think they've had me on once since we launched

01:12:00.080 restore as a party bearing in mind i used to have a show with them and used to get invited on like

01:12:03.300 three times a week so naked well yeah they've they've yeah they've realized i mean that doesn't

01:12:08.500 i don't know because i've isn't doesn't nigel call a lot of the shots there though he's uh i think

01:12:13.680 he's a he owns a third of the shares something like that much okay so you're you're you're his

01:12:20.160 political enemy and they're scared so yeah they'll try and just silence you won't they they'll just

01:12:25.500 try and silence you try and ignore you and short of that ridicule you or attack you yeah i don't 0.55

01:12:30.600 want to give you air time yeah yeah right okay uh luke stewart says g'day mates he's an aussie

01:12:38.140 i do believe good night mates uh how good unfortunately i missed yesterday's episode

01:12:42.740 i was wondering if you heard if you heard that in australia that's in australia one nation

01:12:50.880 is now most popular party and it's just two points shire in the two party preferred so okay that's

01:12:57.560 that's their sort of base party isn't it australia one nation yeah version of i don't know a lot

01:13:02.680 about this i think they're closer to a reform time right okay i don't know but i think it's

01:13:07.740 still the best option they've got yeah i think so but the most realistic best option so if that

01:13:13.680 if nothing else yeah good better than the alternative right yeah yeah okay and then ljmv

01:13:19.800 for a decent amount of money thank you very much for that says bo you magnificent man

01:13:23.820 thank you very much very kind charlie people need to understand how much of the post-world

01:13:30.700 war ii narrative has shaped their lives many have no idea what the holodomor or great leap forward

01:13:36.500 the ottoman berber slave trades etc yeah okay there's a lot there the holiday more the great

01:13:42.600 leap forward the post-world war ii consensus there's a lot there isn't there but there certainly

01:13:47.660 is but i mean this is the point you know it's not about going out and saying to the general public

01:13:53.660 everything you think you know is wrong because most people are just going to bounce off them

01:13:57.060 and you're going to sound kind of crazy but it's just about gently introducing ideas which are

01:14:01.760 um right out to the edge of what is um conceivable in the minds of most people um and essentially

01:14:09.060 tugging at that thread and saying follow this through to its logical conclusion because many

01:14:12.820 people realize for example that the accusation of quote unquote racism um is kind of nonsensical

01:14:18.520 now and uh is just used to beat uh white people over the head um for having the nerve to uh you

01:14:26.000 know um love their own country love their own people and want to see them succeed and and you

01:14:31.760 know not even succeed just be preserved um and so you know if you tug on that thread and you say well

01:14:36.540 if you recognize that this accusation of racism is uh just a tool used by people who hate us to

01:14:42.660 oppress us we'll follow that through to its logical conclusion like you know who are these people what

01:14:46.460 is their agenda what they're trying to do look around you what's been happening to our country

01:14:50.220 why is it that we can't have any pride in our history and in our culture why is it that we

01:14:54.680 have to accept these new ideas about egalitarianism and diversity and all this nonsense when they are

01:15:00.680 plainly making our society worse yeah you know good question who are these people who have been

01:15:06.120 peddling this view since the 1960s that western culture british culture heritage and history

01:15:12.380 is inherently evil and you can never escape the original sin of your ancestors all that sort of

01:15:18.880 stuff who are these people and what is actually their agenda yeah do you get the impression that

01:15:24.680 they like you because i very good question yeah very very good question all right next one kick 0.92

01:15:29.220 you in the throat that's their name at kick you in the throat says breaking news labor attempts 0.96

01:15:34.360 to protect hassan paika from his own plans i don't know if this is true or they're just saying this 0.94

01:15:38.700 for a laugh uh labor tries to protect hassan paika from his own plans to enter the uk to produce

01:15:44.180 propaganda with Jeremy Corbyn and Zach Polanski

01:15:46.440 while he is under federal indictment.

01:15:49.420 Is that true? I don't know

01:15:50.420 if that's true. I mean, he's been banned from coming to the UK

01:15:52.520 but I don't think that's the reason. Oh, okay.

01:15:54.820 I think that's a humorous remark.

01:15:56.680 Okay, fair enough. Interesting.

01:15:58.520 Alright, LJMV again says, if you're

01:16:00.440 not on the hope not hate list,

01:16:02.040 are you really based? No, you're not.

01:16:04.220 Yeah, yeah. It's the Oscars.

01:16:05.900 It's the based Oscars. Yeah.

01:16:07.780 Until they've done a hit piece on you,

01:16:09.960 you're under suspicion.

01:16:12.780 I got 12 mentions.

01:16:14.180 the most recent state of oh did you well done well done they always of course they always mention

01:16:19.240 carl don't they yeah i think nearly i think most of the um lotus eaters lads have been at least

01:16:25.320 mentioned in passing yeah i know they've obviously done a couple of bits on me over the times but

01:16:30.580 yeah it really is sort of like a badge of honor yeah and the other thing is um it doesn't really

01:16:36.680 seem to work anymore either no like it doesn't really ruin your life well if you've got an

01:16:42.140 employer who's really really uh woke and you get fired then maybe well we are quite fortunate doing

01:16:47.240 the job that we do oh of course we are oh of course we are yeah yeah yeah if you're a normal

01:16:51.200 person that works just like a sort of a normal woke corporation then yeah it's going to be a

01:16:55.380 worry yeah but more and more people work for employers that aren't yeah more and more people

01:16:59.160 do work you might work for a small business and your employer isn't an insane leftard yes and so

01:17:05.280 so it doesn't ruin your life actually well this is the thing i mean the point of hope not hate

01:17:08.520 really is to just launder accusations yes so so that other publications can use them yes i mean

01:17:14.920 for example i mean i i have a wikipedia page now which was quite surprising and on that it says

01:17:19.880 downs has been described by anti-fascist organization hope not hate as a far-right

01:17:24.040 activist and it's like to some people who are not in the know that's going to read like oh he's you

01:17:28.360 know there's this very official sounding organization has has done an investigation

01:17:33.160 and revealed this that and the other when actually they're just a bunch of like basement dwelling

01:17:37.320 shysters who just scroll on twitter and say oh look he said the word re-migration get him yeah 0.83

01:17:41.720 yeah yeah it is really pathetic yeah yeah it is almost like um the whole point of it is that 0.80

01:17:46.740 if anyone googled your name yeah their article comes up yeah but nobody do you know what i can 0.74

01:17:51.840 live with that yeah do you know what if it's a difference between being scared of that yeah

01:17:55.900 and actually standing up for my country and my people yeah i'm gonna choose that i'm not i'm not

01:18:01.040 scared of it and again nobody cares about these things yeah no one really cares about being called

01:18:04.640 far-right or racist or anything because they don't mean anything and if i ever went for a job and i

01:18:08.500 didn't get the job because of that so be it i wouldn't want to work there anyway exactly wouldn't

01:18:11.480 want to work there anyway it'd be it'd be insufferable to work somewhere like that anyway

01:18:15.060 all right so luke stewart says uh can't wait we're going to get some bbc pigeon from dan

01:18:20.780 best way to end the day hope everyone has a good night and don't forget uh to like the live stream

01:18:26.140 yeah do i never hardly say that do like this click the thumbs up button get the bell on

01:18:31.240 all that sort of thing smash like yeah smash smash subscribe smash it don't just tentatively click

01:18:36.820 on it yeah smash it yeah okay that's how you should start opening the show what is going on guys

01:18:42.340 welcome back a bit more energy yeah okay so j360 says the enthusiasm is much needed chaps

01:18:50.020 thank you yeah a little bit of a spree decor right indeed a little bit of uh optimism oh yes

01:18:55.760 We got this

01:18:56.880 We got this

01:18:57.880 I hate doomerism

01:18:58.900 We're English 0.60

01:18:59.400 I hate doomerism

01:19:00.620 I really do

01:19:01.380 It doesn't make me

01:19:02.040 Yeah

01:19:02.420 It doesn't make me want to puke

01:19:03.860 Alright so

01:19:06.060 Dylan Lindsay

01:19:07.560 Dylan Lindsay says

01:19:08.740 Whenever some communist

01:19:11.000 Yells at you

01:19:11.760 For wanting to save your country

01:19:12.880 Remember this

01:19:13.640 Their boos mean nothing

01:19:15.620 We've seen what makes them cheer

01:19:18.400 And that's a quote by someone

01:19:19.540 I don't know

01:19:19.900 I should know who

01:19:20.420 It's from Rick and Morty

01:19:21.580 Is it?

01:19:22.260 I think so

01:19:22.840 Oh I was going to say someone

01:19:23.740 I haven't watched it

01:19:24.420 But I think it is from that

01:19:25.620 I mean it's quite

01:19:27.120 It's a good message though

01:19:28.220 Their boos mean nothing

01:19:29.320 We've seen what makes them cheer

01:19:30.720 Yeah

01:19:31.060 Okay

01:19:31.440 I'm based Rick

01:19:33.900 Okay

01:19:35.160 My thing just

01:19:36.560 Fressed out a bit

01:19:37.700 What's going on here

01:19:38.380 Where was I

01:19:39.360 Two seconds

01:19:40.320 It's just loads more

01:19:44.280 Ticked in or something

01:19:45.120 There we go

01:19:46.580 Okay

01:19:47.960 Alright there's loads more

01:19:49.260 So I'll quickly whip through them

01:19:50.320 Mr Dickie Bingo says

01:19:51.760 Watching the momentum

01:19:52.720 Watching the momentum

01:19:54.240 Of a store

01:19:54.920 each time they poll well and win an election

01:19:57.980 hope will build. Thanks for all

01:19:59.940 your work Charlie and the team

01:20:01.780 You're very welcome. It's a pleasure

01:20:03.720 Thank you guys

01:20:04.620 it sounds like a corny cliche

01:20:07.840 but it is true isn't it, it's everyone out

01:20:09.920 there that is making it

01:20:11.180 it's a mass movement, it's a big

01:20:13.900 ten already. And honestly

01:20:15.140 we owe a great deal

01:20:18.060 to Carl and to you guys

01:20:19.780 and to Lotus Eaters because

01:20:21.140 the reach that you guys have is actually

01:20:23.700 astonishing i'm sure you know this but the the number of people that are um that have benefited

01:20:28.620 from the message of this station um is is astonishing really it's great yeah i mean

01:20:35.440 kyle must take most of most people were here because of kyle ultimately they come for kyle

01:20:39.820 they stay for bow the lotus seat is the bow dade experience featuring kyle benjamin

01:20:47.940 i shouldn't i shouldn't say that i've never asked kyle but i imagine he doesn't like me saying that

01:20:53.460 all right moving on kick you in the throat again says anglosphere fun fact the english and their

01:20:58.900 global diaspora are just way too cool and chill about everything fix everything button looking

01:21:04.000 uh awfully nice yeah mastery migration the fix everything button i like it being characterized

01:21:08.980 as that because it sort of is isn't it or at least it's the very start kick you in the throat again

01:21:13.740 says carmelo anthony jury selection started today is carmelo anthony is that the black kid that 0.93

01:21:20.540 stabbed the white kid in america for no real reason yes i think so okay yeah so the jury

01:21:24.900 selection started today okay uh augusta sidling says uh where does one draw the line between 0.72

01:21:31.800 wrath and righteous anger oh well that's an eternal question isn't it yeah like you said i mean i

01:21:37.260 think it's about uh not disgracing yourself right basically throughout history you know what just

01:21:41.600 sprung to mind when someone asked that question there's a famous crusader from the age of the

01:21:45.260 first crusade called tankrid great name yeah brilliant name yeah um where he said i want to 0.97

01:21:52.440 go the pope has asked me to go out there and retake jerusalem and slaughter infidels great 0.93

01:22:00.060 i'm up for that that's what i do i'm basically like a norman knight brilliant yeah uh but there 1.00

01:22:04.860 is that thing in the what jesus said though about not killing people though isn't it or moses even

01:22:09.200 said oh god sorry said don't kill people yeah so which one is it my point of mentioning that

01:22:16.560 is to say people have always asked themselves where is the line between wrath and righteous

01:22:22.320 anger so if you were hoping we would just give you a one line boom that's the answer to that question

01:22:27.120 yeah i'm afraid not i'm afraid not it's more difficult than that all right muscles gladius

01:22:31.840 glacius says um played the new bond game question mark mi6 and all dei lol that's a shame i was

01:22:38.720 i was quite looking forward to that yeah it's made by the same people as the hitman games which

01:22:42.040 i really like so i was quite looking forward to that that's disappointing i haven't even got

01:22:45.960 a i've got like an old xbox 360 which i don't use much so i don't play games i'm afraid too much

01:22:52.440 okay sardew car seventh legion brilliant name uh from june to the sardew car uh why are we not

01:22:58.900 using jails to sort out roads what does that mean i'm assuming just putting them to work

01:23:05.560 oh right okay why are we not using people that are in jail to sort out roads to do work they do

01:23:11.620 that in america in various places as well don't they like a chain gang yeah they'll take you out

01:23:15.300 and make you do stuff it's a good question why not yeah why not terrible idea human rights though

01:23:19.400 that's why well yeah i was gonna say because there's probably some european or even un

01:23:22.700 legislation something or other yeah some charter we've signed up to saying you can't do that that's

01:23:27.000 against the human right isn't it that's probably why okay luke stewart says uh jesus did say sell

01:23:32.540 your cloak to buy a sword if you didn't have one i like using i like using given unto caesar which

01:23:39.500 is caesar if caesar's law death if caesar's law death penalty for cp am i i don't know i get the

01:23:48.000 general gist of what yeah i get it as well okay yeah all right yeah so that's a classic thing

01:23:52.680 again down through the centuries um people have uh various papal balls and things all sorts of

01:23:58.600 people all sorts of fire brands have said pointed to different things in the gospels to justify

01:24:04.640 vastly different things yes um yeah sell your cloak to buy a sword if you if you if you don't

01:24:10.120 have one right okay uh richard drake says re lee i guess robert e lee well he was called granny lee

01:24:16.540 that's right they called him granny lee it was meant as a term of endearment yes uh his first

01:24:21.200 command was in west virginia and he started his men digging entrenchments yeah because they he 0.92

01:24:26.660 looked after them like a like a granny would he's not doesn't want to just send them to their deaths 0.71

01:24:31.560 unnecessarily yes um okay but he was also actually quite a um a strict sort of um what's the word 0.89

01:24:39.300 like martinet or you know very strict as well okay um ljmv says one nation are basically reform

01:24:46.160 unfortunately sad face that's what i'd heard right yeah better than nothing i was just gonna say

01:24:51.980 probably better than nothing though isn't it

01:24:54.460 well I hope you get a proper

01:24:56.440 based party, Luke Stewart says

01:24:58.420 the best way to describe One Nation

01:25:00.200 it's reform if they 0.86

01:25:02.480 hadn't kicked out the Restore people

01:25:04.060 and instead listened to them

01:25:06.100 so Luke Stewart's saying it's not as bad

01:25:08.300 as all that

01:25:09.420 LJMV perhaps again replying to that

01:25:12.220 Ellie, Lotus Eaters

01:25:13.940 need to keep, I hope not hate tally

01:25:16.200 whoever gets the most mentions

01:25:18.100 at the end of the year gets a free tab

01:25:19.980 at the pub for the night.

01:25:21.620 Well, I think Carl's going to win that.

01:25:22.940 It'll probably be Carl.

01:25:24.220 He's just a staple, isn't it?

01:25:25.480 Yeah.

01:25:25.980 You know that when they bring out

01:25:27.060 the state of hate,

01:25:28.280 there's a few people in there

01:25:29.420 that are just a staple.

01:25:30.720 They pretty much cut and paste it

01:25:32.380 these days, don't they?

01:25:33.280 Yeah.

01:25:33.840 Quite literally sometimes.

01:25:35.200 Just cut and paste last year's thing.

01:25:36.700 Yeah.

01:25:37.040 Running out of ideas.

01:25:38.060 Very sad to see.

01:25:39.040 Yeah.

01:25:39.480 There's far too many people

01:25:40.960 that have noticed reality now.

01:25:42.360 Yeah.

01:25:42.660 They've actually got quite a lot

01:25:43.560 to pick, to choose from.

01:25:44.640 Yeah.

01:25:45.100 Well, half the population, basically.

01:25:48.440 Okay.

01:25:48.960 Last few here.

01:25:49.960 Thundercook says, restore policy on Russian aggression in Europe.

01:25:53.660 I mean, we haven't got a fully fleshed out policy on that.

01:25:56.020 But generally speaking, if something is against Britain's interests,

01:25:58.680 which I would say Russian aggression in Europe is, we oppose it. 0.87

01:26:01.700 Right. Pretty straightforward.

01:26:03.880 Rupert's like, whatever's in our best interest.

01:26:05.900 Yeah.

01:26:06.800 Could you ask for really a better foreign policy than that?

01:26:09.940 Why should it ever have been anything other than that at all times?

01:26:14.460 Right. Great.

01:26:15.440 Okay.

01:26:15.640 uh richard of mersey says uh life and limb without fear and favor is dead

01:26:23.000 oh just the the way to live your life without fear and favor is dead i mean some people still

01:26:32.640 don't give up i don't think it is entirely dead no i think they would like you to think it's

01:26:38.480 entirely dead they would like you demoralized yeah they would like ideal they would like you

01:26:43.060 To give up and be a defeatist

01:26:44.340 An accelerationist

01:26:45.220 And to just roll over

01:26:46.220 And crawl away into the dark silently

01:26:48.320 While they take everything

01:26:49.780 They would like you to think

01:26:51.080 That's your only choice

01:26:52.040 But it's not

01:26:53.240 Okay

01:26:54.540 And the very last one

01:26:55.500 August Sideling says

01:26:56.900 It was more of a philosophical

01:26:58.780 Rhetorical question

01:27:00.040 What was the last thing they said

01:27:01.220 What was it

01:27:01.700 Let's have a quick look

01:27:02.820 August Sideling

01:27:04.720 When he says

01:27:05.360 Where does one draw

01:27:06.380 Okay

01:27:06.940 They asked

01:27:08.060 Where does one draw the line

01:27:09.220 Between wrath and right

01:27:10.080 Yeah

01:27:10.540 No fair enough mate

01:27:11.740 It was more of a philosophical, rhetorical question

01:27:13.980 Yeah, fair enough

01:27:15.400 The attempt to even try to answer that

01:27:17.620 Alright, that's the show

01:27:20.360 We'll have to leave it there for today

01:27:21.560 It is now 27 minutes past 9

01:27:24.420 In the AIM, British Simultime

01:27:25.560 On Tuesday 2nd June in the year of our law, 2026

01:27:27.920 Charlie Downs

01:27:29.060 Thank you for joining me

01:27:30.780 Always a pleasure bro

01:27:31.660 It's an honour and a pleasure to have you on

01:27:33.460 I'd have you on much more often if we could

01:27:36.860 Alright, that is the show

01:27:39.760 You've been the glorious band, the chosen few

01:27:41.420 my band of brothers and sisters thank you for joining me without you it's a thing try and make

01:27:44.540 the best of the day ahead carpe diem seize the day it's the most valuable thing you'll ever have

01:27:48.420 your time try and make the most of it all right then until tomorrow morning take care

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 02, 2026

Breakfast With Beau ｜ Tuesday 2nd June 2026

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