The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - Breakfast With Beau ｜ Wednesday 3rd June 2026

00:00:00.000 I do hope you are, sincerely hope you are, it's just past eight in the a.m. British

00:00:12.340 summer time on the 3rd of June in the year of our Lord 2026. Who are you guys? You know

00:00:20.000 you're the glorious band, the chosen few, the glorious band, with a capital T, the chosen

00:00:24.940 few, my band of brothers and sisters. As always, I'm joined by my producer Little Harry, how

00:00:28.860 are you this morning good sir morning yeah i'm all good yes good for a tiny bit of faffing about

00:00:35.900 before we get into what the legacy corporate mainstream media is trying to lie to you about

00:00:39.460 this morning because i am joined by a special guest an old friend of mine one of the ogs in

00:00:46.440 this sphere if you don't know him there's probably something wrong with you sir christopher of house

00:00:53.300 dangerfield how are you dange it's an absolute pleasure to be on um it's funny actually you say

00:01:02.340 one of the ogs 12 years i've been doing this lark and you've been about a while

00:01:07.800 and yet we still had some technical issues at the start technical issues always plagued by technical

00:01:16.180 issues it's never straightforward um i saw little harry i would completely boomer it to oblivion if

00:01:22.660 it was left to me so you see you've moved up the ladder you've got assistants i pretend to have

00:01:30.020 them but it's just me well thank you for coming on sir we've we've uh we've done content before

00:01:36.020 we've talked all about anchor what we've talked some history stuff henry the fifth edward the

00:01:40.500 first i believe a number of things it's been far too long and uh thank you for coming on really

00:01:45.500 really appreciate it um so well with with no further ado then let's just let's let's stop

00:01:52.300 all the fannying and faffing about and talk about what's in the news today so today the cabal of

00:01:58.060 evil fleet street editors have decided they're not going with mandy anymore they're bored with

00:02:01.680 that one day is enough for mandy they've moved on to the henry novak killing so the headlines are

00:02:09.260 plea for calm ignored and arrest the outraged nation and it really is again with the exceptional

00:02:16.700 think of the financial times it's on the front of every single paper and if you look if we have a

00:02:21.820 super quick look at the websites look there we go novak novak novak novak okay you get it people get

00:02:31.100 it um so if i if i read the blurb on the front of the eye paper because it usually says it all

00:02:36.220 and then we can we'll have a little chat about it okay so family's plea for calm ignored

00:02:41.520 the nudge unit plea for calm hundreds of protesters around southampton police station

00:02:49.520 chanting i can't breathe after murder of student henry novak far-right activists including tommy

00:02:55.960 robinson uh they didn't they didn't say real name steven yacksy lennon that time but tommy

00:03:01.660 robinson called for demonstrations amid outcry at killing henry's father mark had said we do not

00:03:07.680 want this death to be used to create further division hatred and tension this is not a case

00:03:12.120 about sikhism or racism but this is a case about murder horrifying body cam footage uh shown at

00:03:18.080 trial revealed how police officers ignored henry's plea for help in his dying moments as they

00:03:23.700 handcuffed him and uh missed his stab wound p wounds uh prime minister tory leader and home

00:03:30.400 secretary say nigel farage is wrong to demand quote pure cold rage quote after he claims uh

00:03:36.620 that case is evidence of quote two-tier culture quote before uh and because quote white lives

00:03:42.740 matter too end quote vikram dig digua 23 sentenced to life in prison with minimum term of 21 years

00:03:49.500 for henry's murder he lied to police at the scene falsely alleging he had been a victim of a racist

00:03:54.760 attack keir starmer adds that police do have quote serious questions to answer quote as one officer

00:04:00.240 resigns police chiefs say they are listening to quote legitimate concerns quote about anti-racism

00:04:05.500 guidelines all right that says most of the talking points what's your thoughts and feelings on all

00:04:11.020 this chris this um the second one we do not want his death to create further division

00:04:19.920 it always this always seems to happen in these instances and i'm i'm starting it's so it's so

00:04:29.160 frequent um i wonder if they sit them down and talk to them in their moment of you know what

00:04:38.280 would it be you know they're vulnerable they've just lost someone right this is where we get in

00:04:44.280 and say to them could you say something like this isn't about race because if you if if you were to

00:04:54.360 stir that pot this could you know some sort of mild threat because it's just always there and i

00:05:02.760 would that be you know if you were being interviewed by anyone a newspaper the police

00:05:09.240 and you've just lost a son or a husband whatever would you say that i mean are these people that

00:05:16.520 politically engaged that that would be you know like it's the second line after they've

00:05:23.480 called tommy robinson well well called that actually stephen actually lennon that is weird

00:05:29.920 that that's gone um but it's the second thing isn't it is dad said don't try and use this for 0.56

00:05:36.560 your own right wing political purposes you racist you know it's just absurd it's and also the other

00:05:44.620 thing i don't know how easy it is for you to get back to the it might be the headline of this 0.97

00:05:49.160 article so you might be able to just scroll up this from a semiotic point of view it's verging

00:05:55.320 on cryptic yeah yeah i'm ignored you know one of the things i learned i love cryptic

00:06:05.880 jack lecan said if you can understand cryptic crosswords you can understand psychoanalysis so

00:06:11.180 I learned how to do cryptic crosswords.

00:06:13.500 If you don't know how to do them, people, get into them.

00:06:16.140 They're beautiful.

00:06:16.960 But one of the things you do is add punctuation.

00:06:20.580 That's one of the tricks.

00:06:22.120 It's low-level cryptic.

00:06:24.620 But plea for calm, ignored on its own is a stranger.

00:06:26.900 An arrest that outraged.

00:06:31.180 You know, I can't really read that.

00:06:33.880 And in marketing, it's the difference between messaging and signaling.

00:06:38.240 in it's almost like they've got the the bits they want in there's outrage there's a plea for calm

00:06:45.260 but as a headline for a murder that we now know having seen the body cams is very suspect

00:06:54.160 very unpleasant that doesn't really seem like a headline that fits the story at all

00:07:01.580 that that that's pure ideology there there there's a there's a youtube channel called the behavior

00:07:10.180 panel they're like body language experts pretty good as well they've worked in the military for

00:07:16.800 like a couple of them have 20 years doing interrogation and resistance to interrogation

00:07:21.660 you know they've they've earned their chops and one of them a geezer called chase hughes is part

00:07:28.640 of his he's selling ground news but he says this really good thing at the start he says the media

00:07:34.800 isn't broken it's working perfectly it's doing the exact job that it's intended for and that headline

00:07:43.260 and that that second line in the sort of little summary you know you could pick this apart for

00:07:51.640 hours just the language so that that yeah i mean i don't even know what they're asking me to do

00:07:57.160 i know i'm just getting a sense of something and that's dangerous that's dangerous when the media

00:08:03.400 does that the i've said a number of times uh on breakfast though the uh the yeah the language

00:08:09.720 they use in headlines is often like nonsensical it's not proper english i mean i tried to look

00:08:14.280 for it just then but couldn't find it but i saw a headline somewhere else this morning

00:08:17.400 and it said something like cuff cops in national fury or something like that

00:08:22.760 cuff cops cuff cops in national theory so like complete like a small child that's how a small

00:08:29.400 child would try and build a sentence it's absolutely ridiculous yeah often there should

00:08:35.080 be a comma in their headline if the headline's like a full two lines long there's no punctuation

00:08:39.720 and so you have to read it two or three times to get what they're even saying about but yeah about

00:08:43.400 the father well we know there's nudge units don't we home office nudge units we know it's exactly

00:08:48.680 that chris they get the they get the family at like a moment of like pure mourning and grief

00:08:57.880 they get them at that moment they've got trained people that say remember try you know say something

00:09:04.360 about anti-racism remember say something that this isn't about about race this say something

00:09:09.800 about multiculturalism say something about like the far right how this is they do they we know

00:09:14.760 they do that right and unfortunately from in my mind unfortunately most of these grieving families

00:09:22.040 buy it and do it every now and again every now and again you get one that doesn't don't you

00:09:25.960 every now and again you'll get like a mom of a murder victim come out it stands out as an anomaly

00:09:32.600 everyone again like a mum or something will say no i don't forgive the murderer of my child no i don't

00:09:38.520 and you're quite right it stands out when they don't doesn't it it's almost shocking that a

00:09:43.080 mother doesn't forgive the killer of her son it's like what hang on no you have to this that's not

00:09:48.820 the world we inhabit but you said there again it it might seem i i like i haven't i haven't come

00:09:58.820 across his term nudge units um apologies but i like it but i they haven't got anywhere near grief

00:10:06.500 when this is all happening this is i think this is police station what hang on you know 10 minutes

00:10:14.460 ago the report come in you know they'll have psychologists working at the police they'll say

00:10:20.260 that's when you tell them what to do because they're they're open to suggestion because they

00:10:26.340 need your help you at that point you're like a father to the situation and so they'll pretty

00:10:33.720 much do anything i mean i just i'm just not buying it that you know where does the quote end

00:10:44.840 it so he said all of that this is not a case about seekism brackets or racism this is a case

00:10:54.280 about murder i don't know i just i just don't buy it again it's signaling yeah i mean well and

00:11:01.160 And all sorts of people, he says the PM, the Tory leader and the Home Secretary have all come out and made statements, various different types of statements.

00:11:10.180 Look, we've got we've got Kemi there. Kemi saying, because Nigel, well, let's start with Nigel.

00:11:15.780 Nigel came out and did a statement yesterday. It was actually quite a good statement.

00:11:19.200 We're not, I'm not a fan of Nigel here. I think reform is a containment project. I think it's a vanity project.

00:11:24.300 However, if he says something I agree with and I think he's right, I will say so. I'll give him credit for it.

00:11:29.040 his statement yesterday was absolutely on the money for me one of the things he said is that

00:11:33.040 white lives matter too right kemi badnock said don't tell me about white lives matter to be

00:11:39.120 fair she actually also said don't tell me about black lives matter everyone should be absolutely

00:11:43.120 equal under law which is what nigel was saying which is so they're both saying it in in slightly

00:11:48.240 different ways so kemi badnock's come out there you can see shabana mahoud she come out and she

00:11:54.320 She said, you know, we shouldn't stoke division and all sorts of things. 0.66

00:11:59.340 So queer Stalin said he thought that he was sickened. 0.54

00:12:03.620 He's got a 17-year-old lad himself. 0.95

00:12:05.780 He was sickened to see it.

00:12:07.020 We should look at the anti-racism guidelines, all sorts of things.

00:12:09.320 A bit late for that, isn't it?

00:12:10.220 People have been talking about it for years and years and years.

00:12:12.580 I mean, Kemi Badenoch said, and what do you think about this?

00:12:16.220 She said she wanted Britain to be a multiracial, a multiethnic society,

00:12:21.220 but not a multicultural one. 0.82

00:12:24.320 Make that make sense 1.00

00:12:26.400 So she's harking back to the melting pot

00:12:31.100 That was the initial sort of plan wasn't it

00:12:34.960 So multi-ethnic is there's multi-ethnicities 0.95

00:12:41.260 But they're all reading from the same page

00:12:45.040 That's what I would suggest

00:12:46.700 And they all go to Church of England and drink tea and watch cricket

00:12:50.340 Well that's why it doesn't work

00:12:54.220 it doesn't survive the most superficial analysis but you know when you're having your your slice

00:13:00.780 of toast in the morning and that message gets sent around enough newspapers okay but it was

00:13:07.420 interesting that they just called her bad enough there like now she's just you know she she she's

00:13:12.940 got to the ranks of like madonna just to see now she's just share it's like share just bad enough

00:13:19.020 Yeah, exactly, up the top there it's

00:13:21.060 Secretary warms against division 0.69

00:13:24.040 But Badenock

00:13:25.860 Badenock

00:13:27.040 I like to make a point of calling her 0.80

00:13:30.560 Olukemi, not just Kemi

00:13:32.040 Olukemi Badenock

00:13:33.400 I can't remember her full name, all her middle names

00:13:36.680 Because that's an absurd

00:13:38.420 String of noises

00:13:40.320 Okay, quick

00:13:42.300 Go down through the papers

00:13:44.560 A bit, let's just whip through them because it's basically

00:13:46.560 The same, oh look, Cuff Cops quits

00:13:49.020 cuff cop quits okay arrest the outrage nation all right oh oh there's that one

00:13:56.220 there's a princess of wales she's looking radiant there don't you think she's radiant chris

00:14:02.460 no she looks spooked

00:14:06.700 that's a tongue twister go and go back to that cuff thing and read it out go on quick go 1.00

00:14:12.220 Cuff Cops quits. Cuff Cops quits. Arrested out radiation. 1.00

00:14:17.740 I can't do it. Cuff Cops quits. Cuff Cops quits. Cuff Cops. Ah, twice. Cuff Cops quits.

00:14:27.100 Right, we got it. I still don't know. Imagine that though, like the senior editors

00:14:30.780 at the Daily Star, like, how are we going to characterize this? What phraseology,

00:14:35.500 what terminology are we going to use? Someone goes, Cuff Cops. They go, yes, print that,

00:14:40.460 cuff cops brilliant that's what we're going to say that's how we're going to characterize it

00:14:45.500 oh you're right she actually has a very very fake stilted grin isn't it there i'm sorry you

00:14:50.300 can say more about the cuff cops sorry but i just wonder how long it takes them to put together like

00:14:56.620 compared to years ago to put together a front page of a you know of a a newspaper it just

00:15:04.780 it looks like it's been knocked up by someone on fiverr someone in bangladesh and i need a tabloid

00:15:11.100 something that looks like a tabloid cover bosh bosh bosh there you go it's funny actually say

00:15:16.380 that i once saw i once saw a little clip or maybe it's in a documentary or something and it was

00:15:20.540 about and it was years ago it's like 10 15 years ago i saw this clip somewhere and it was talking

00:15:25.420 about how in the olden days in like the analog olden days how it would take a team of people to

00:15:30.620 make a front page like that before it went to print and now it's one dude on a computer where

00:15:36.380 he just literally literally one dude and he just moves the stuff around all the different departments

00:15:40.700 give them what they want and he just moves it around puts it on a thing so yeah it's sort of

00:15:44.220 one dude in like photoshop or whatever isn't it well something probably better than photoshop but

00:15:48.300 you know what i mean um all right the telegraph the daily torograph again police face call to

00:15:53.580 drop race bias policies oh i mean it's an uphill battle isn't it if the state even if the actual

00:16:00.220 of state the government want to completely change the culture in the nhs the home office the foreign

00:16:07.820 office the police whatever it takes a long time one example of that you might have noticed in

00:16:12.740 recent times is where the high court came out and said that women only spaces should be for women

00:16:18.320 only that you kind of transvestite men going into female toilets and changing rooms and yet

00:16:23.320 the vast majority of whitehall and various apparatuses of state are just ignoring that

00:16:30.220 So won't it be the same with the police?

00:16:31.800 You could have the Prime Minister of the Home Secretary saying,

00:16:33.760 stop race bias, but it won't just change like that, will it?

00:16:39.320 No, there's a disconnect.

00:16:42.060 There's a disconnect from, you know, this is just propaganda.

00:16:46.660 It's only propaganda, like Chase Hughes said.

00:16:49.540 It's doing its job, but this doesn't have very much to do

00:16:54.080 with the actual mechanics of Parliament and lawmaking.

00:16:58.660 it's it's a separate it you know it's a separate institution and i doubt there's a lot of

00:17:06.700 communication until it's like until they until they don't tow the party line and then then doors 0.50

00:17:12.780 get knocked yeah i mean the princess looks like she's just had a door not there

00:17:18.280 yeah that is that is that is quite a stilted sort of grid isn't it it's like oh there's cameras

00:17:25.420 I'm supposed to look happy and radiant

00:17:27.280 And say, here we go

00:17:29.160 Yeah

00:17:30.640 Look at the little ticker along the bottom

00:17:33.280 It's like, we know you're bored of this

00:17:35.660 Because we've put it in impossibly

00:17:37.620 To read small print

00:17:39.180 Starmer, Reeves and Lammy

00:17:41.980 All use vanishing

00:17:43.480 WhatsApp messages

00:17:45.420 Yeah

00:17:46.200 Yeah, that's weird

00:17:48.520 I don't know why

00:17:50.640 It just done it, it just started doing it

00:17:53.280 Well, I didn't even know

00:17:55.200 until like yesterday that that was a function there's a story somewhere on the bbc news website

00:17:59.420 i didn't even know that was a function but it is well no that's what i'm saying to you it said

00:18:04.780 just like the last few days it's like oh these messages disappeared because you've got vanishing

00:18:12.260 messages set up okay all right sort of i didn't have anything to do with setting that up which

00:18:20.560 is an interesting you know meta i i i spend quite a lot of time on meta because um i have stocks in

00:18:28.720 meta so i'm interested in where they're going and they're they're they're looking at um subscription

00:18:34.480 models and you know meta prints money anyway what is it facebook instagram threads whatsapp

00:18:41.360 american view you know americans don't know what whatsapp is and the rest of the world use it for

00:18:47.040 everything yeah you say whatsapp on an american podcast they're like what what is that it's like

00:18:54.080 what what's that but um they're looking at these subscription models and right i'm gonna have to go

00:19:01.040 back a little bit here so about a year ago gmail started offering me automatic sort of early i mean

00:19:11.400 only a year ago but the exponential growth of ai we could still call it early offering it was

00:19:18.060 offering me automated messages replies after that i've seen that on gmail yeah yeah and it's been

00:19:24.720 developing and developing and now it's doing it in my vernacular now it's starting to say

00:19:31.680 nice one mate and i'm like whoa it's a bit scary i'll catch up with you when i'm you know when i've

00:19:40.080 got a little less on and i'm like whoa now this will this does come back to this and it comes

00:19:46.940 back to meta and it comes back to the subscriptions but i i thought as you know i will never use that

00:19:54.540 you know no way am i just gonna send off a message that ai has written to reply to a friend

00:20:01.260 a colleague you know some you know some someone i'm working with but then i started using them

00:20:08.720 then I started doing it because you wake up to 300 emails yeah okay I'll just use the AI message

00:20:16.780 and then I thought you know this this is I was wondering what Meta are going to do with these

00:20:22.920 subscriptions you know that they want that regular fiver a month for an extra sort of function on

00:20:31.120 Facebook Instagram whatever you know whatever platform that's what you'll pay for extra

00:20:37.560 functions and there'll come a time i predict maybe six months maybe a year well you're where

00:20:44.620 you'll be able to automate replies to certain people but there's certain people who email me

00:20:50.540 regularly and i never want to talk to them and i'll set it up and just say just send them a reply

00:20:58.200 in you know use my vocabulary you know and just send it to them and then i thought

00:21:03.840 they might get bored with me after a while but they don't want to say that so they also set up

00:21:12.420 an automated reply yeah you see where this is going it's just ai fobbing each other off endlessly

00:21:18.680 well we both die and for the next hundred years it's not funny is it it's dystopian yeah yeah and

00:21:28.780 And I've had one of my Gmail accounts since it was, you know,

00:21:32.920 we're going back about 16 years, maybe.

00:21:37.100 So they've got 16 years of emails.

00:21:40.820 And, you know, a lot of them have got, you know, I'm a writer,

00:21:45.580 so they've got stories I've written.

00:21:47.180 They know a lot about me, autobiographical writings.

00:21:50.900 You know, they could probably do a convincing impression.

00:21:54.400 Well, I know they can because I've got them to do it.

00:21:57.020 I've got a broad to do an impression of me and my writing and it just it just goes through substack goes for a few other things online and then talks to me as me so so yeah so one day I might bump into that fella in the street who I haven't spoken to for 10 years but but we are we it's funny you mentioned you get AI to read everything you've ever written in a split second and then mimic you

00:22:26.760 I saw an interesting clip on the other day of Julian Barnes, you know, the famous, the very, very famous, best-selling author, Julian Barnes.

00:22:35.420 And they got AI to generate a paragraph, like an opening paragraph of a Julian Barnes novel and got Julian Barnes to read it.

00:22:44.820 And he said, yeah, it's quite convincing.

00:22:46.640 I mean, it is a pastiche.

00:22:48.080 It is.

00:22:48.660 It's not quite right, but it's, you know, it's sort of worryingly convincing still, though.

00:22:56.760 I'm with you, Chris. I'm deeply, deeply suspicious of AI. I've never used it once to generate one thing I've ever sent ever. And I don't intend to. That's robbing me of my humanity in some way, I feel like.

00:23:08.060 I'm not deeply suspicious of it, actually. I think intelligent people, I think there's an element of duty to get your heads around it and to be using it.

00:23:24.580 because you are going to get pushed out of culture

00:23:30.740 if you're not engaging in the dominant culture, which is AI.

00:23:39.140 You know, I watched you a couple of weeks ago talking about stocks.

00:23:42.800 You know, you look at what's happening to AMD at the moment

00:23:45.500 and going back to meta, I never did get back to that.

00:23:48.860 But that subscription model will be things like that, automatic replies.

00:23:52.860 that's the sort of thing I think it will be

00:23:55.220 and you know

00:23:57.200 I think he spent over

00:23:59.000 100 billion

00:24:00.740 capex on

00:24:02.720 data centres and things

00:24:05.280 just this year

00:24:06.360 and no one knows why

00:24:08.300 Do you know what my feeling is Chris

00:24:10.920 where you say you've got to use it

00:24:13.140 because it's the dominant thing

00:24:13.920 two things spring to mind

00:24:15.900 first my immediate knee joke reaction is

00:24:17.780 so be it then, I'll be outside the culture then

00:24:20.000 fine, happy with that

00:24:21.140 And the other thing is that there'll always be like a niche.

00:24:24.940 I think there'll still always be a niche for like a real human saying real human things,

00:24:30.520 like irrational and emotional things, something from the heart.

00:24:35.080 And I don't know.

00:24:36.460 I think that a lot of people think that's the biggest problem.

00:24:41.100 I've got a friend.

00:24:42.040 He does.

00:24:42.740 He works for.

00:24:44.320 He does a lot of Batman.

00:24:45.740 He draws Judge Dredd for 2008.

00:24:48.620 He's a well-known artist.

00:24:50.260 some people might know him jock and um i in the early days of mid-journey i said draw batman

00:24:58.140 having a mcdonald's in the style of jock and jock has got quite a unique style you know that which

00:25:04.900 is why he's at the top of his game and it was it was it looked exactly like jock and i sent it to

00:25:11.100 him and he wrote back wtf exclamation mark you know because he it was really early days and he

00:25:18.120 And he said, did you do that?

00:25:20.760 And I was like, no.

00:25:21.720 I said, that's artificial.

00:25:23.780 I had to say artificial intelligence.

00:25:27.340 That's weird now, doesn't it?

00:25:29.920 French sort of pseudo philosopher, John Baudrillard,

00:25:35.380 wrote a beautiful book called Core Memories.

00:25:37.960 This is in the 80s.

00:25:39.180 And there's a line in it.

00:25:40.980 He said, artificial intelligence doesn't exist

00:25:45.740 because it lacks artifice.

00:25:48.120 but anyway i said to jock i i said to him that i said i think this is actually going to give

00:25:56.480 people such as yourself more value i think the fact that people are going to be able to just

00:26:04.340 i don't want to say ai slot because that itself is like an ai meme now but you know actual writers

00:26:14.160 who can respond to the change you know it's darwinian writers artists whatever

00:26:20.800 how those that can adapt to the changing conditions of their uh creative production

00:26:30.540 will survive you know like they said photography was going to kill art and it actually in it you

00:26:38.520 You know, I think it actually, I think art survived because of photography.

00:26:43.960 We were going around in circles.

00:26:45.860 You know, we had lumpen things like Impressionism, Post-Impressionism.

00:26:51.320 I mean, it was like, all right.

00:26:53.020 And then, you know, photography.

00:26:54.960 And people went mad about photography like they are now about AI.

00:27:00.360 And I think.

00:27:01.440 Yeah, I get your point.

00:27:02.780 I absolutely get your point.

00:27:03.500 I mean, the thing, the parallels with art is that the advent of photography, it didn't kill fine art.

00:27:11.780 But we do live in a world now where someone like Damien Hirst or Tracy Emmons installations are considered art.

00:27:17.460 And people don't really paint like Titian or Rubens or Michelangelo very much, do they?

00:27:24.660 You're encouraged, oh, just do some stencil like Banksy.

00:27:28.300 That's art now.

00:27:29.880 Is it?

00:27:30.320 I think I'm a bit of an outlier on the right

00:27:34.780 when it comes to modernism and post-modernism.

00:27:38.560 I like a lot of Damien Earth's work.

00:27:41.200 I like Tracey Emmons' work.

00:27:43.040 Well, that's just crazy talk, Chris.

00:27:44.640 Sorry, that's just crazy talk, sir.

00:27:47.340 No, I'm joking. I'm joking. Go, go, go.

00:27:49.900 No, but it is crazy talk, don't get me wrong,

00:27:52.200 but it is talk, and that's the issue.

00:27:54.620 You know, there are still people painting

00:27:58.300 in beautiful sort of renaissance, you know, huge canvases,

00:28:03.020 you can still do that.

00:28:06.720 Modernism, Kandinsky, Paul Klee and the like, Jackson Pollock,

00:28:11.520 didn't mean other people had to stop, you know,

00:28:15.200 painting like Titian or whoever.

00:28:19.020 But look at Warhol.

00:28:20.220 Look what Warhol did as a cultural comment.

00:28:24.180 He built a factory, he employed students and said,

00:28:27.500 Do a few screen prints of Marilyn Monroe

00:28:30.600 I'm going out for a drink

00:28:32.140 And he's one of the most famous artists of the 20th century

00:28:37.480 Yeah, but how vapid, how hollow is that though, Chris?

00:28:39.860 Don't you find that vapid and hollow and valueless, ultimately?

00:28:43.740 Which was his point?

00:28:45.640 Yeah, is it a great point?

00:28:47.300 Is that a brilliant point?

00:28:49.520 Well, you just said it

00:28:51.980 With derision

00:28:54.000 well i think i think in the future everyone will be famous for 15 minutes was absolutely 0.99

00:29:04.080 on the money yeah and it's shit isn't it 0.95

00:29:08.660 sorry i've got the missus forgetting i'm live and okay sorry so we've got to move on a little 0.97

00:29:15.580 bit if we get back brilliant as that conversation is i'll get you on for an interview we'll talk

00:29:18.940 works with me always comes back to this nonsense apologies let's go no no i've done a few bits of

00:29:24.460 uh art history with josh firm i've talked i've got three or four bits of long-form conversation

00:29:28.640 about art history uh being a history nerd you can't avoid getting involved in art history at

00:29:34.040 some point so i'll have you on for an interview and we'll do a long-form thing all about art

00:29:37.140 history because i know you know your stuff but um we've got to get back to the news here if you

00:29:41.040 don't mind so one last thing on on the on on the on the riots look at that image

00:29:46.080 People pissed off with the police

00:29:49.840 Well, the state of the country

00:29:52.580 And all the different riots that are going on in Southampton

00:29:55.400 So, I mean, have you got

00:29:58.000 What's your comment on sort of

00:30:01.040 The feeling, the mood

00:30:03.120 In the country

00:30:04.940 And where we're heading

00:30:06.680 Well

00:30:10.280 What, politically or

00:30:12.880 On the streets, like this sort of thing

00:30:15.780 both either or

00:30:18.000 I think

00:30:19.200 really dark times

00:30:22.600 are already upon us

00:30:24.400 I think if it wasn't for a media

00:30:27.060 challenging

00:30:28.300 you know

00:30:30.020 the eye test

00:30:31.480 we'd realise that

00:30:33.340 you know

00:30:33.960 it's up the spout

00:30:37.280 you know

00:30:38.260 from every angle you look at it

00:30:40.860 in england uk or the uk but also most of the west you know it's in real trouble i think things

00:30:54.260 are far worse than even people on the dissident right um are free and able to admit i and i think

00:31:04.300 it's going to you know this isn't something that's going to get changed overnight i think

00:31:08.240 generations of

00:31:10.380 radical

00:31:12.200 and profound change

00:31:14.900 are going to get us back to

00:31:16.580 anything near a life

00:31:18.800 where you can

00:31:20.180 you know where you can

00:31:22.680 you can live outside

00:31:24.860 of something which is

00:31:26.820 the state

00:31:27.740 you know your good friend Horace

00:31:31.160 convinced

00:31:32.820 me we don't need a state

00:31:34.380 it took some doing but

00:31:36.140 you know

00:31:37.200 we are we are the the state is our enemy we are we we're permanently um surveying ourselves

00:31:47.820 checking ourselves i'll bet everyone in there has started writing a post on social media and

00:31:52.920 halfway through thought you know what actually for the five clicks it's going to get me

00:31:58.560 that's not worth it that could cause me problems and you know i i'd love the idea there's a

00:32:07.080 place where all the X

00:32:09.080 sort of half written

00:32:10.800 posts existed and you could read

00:32:12.860 and you'd get a real sort of

00:32:14.480 barometer of how the nation feels

00:32:17.160 you know the state

00:32:19.140 is a repressive and

00:32:20.880 ideological apparatus

00:32:22.820 and it's in

00:32:25.040 fifth gear

00:32:26.600 you know it's doing its thing

00:32:28.680 these images

00:32:30.580 if you saw these images and you were

00:32:32.980 told it was Argentina

00:32:35.360 in the

00:32:35.940 in the 50s you wouldn't be surprised you'd think wow that that's a country a distressed country

00:32:43.900 yeah censorship self-censorship the idea of the state i'm not i don't call myself a libertarian

00:32:49.960 but i have got some libertarian leanings absolutely i don't think we can really exist

00:32:55.480 with that with zero state you evil statist bow how dare you however i would love to see a massive

00:33:00.660 reduction in the state massive i can't remember who it was but um i was reading about a year ago

00:33:05.800 or so how how the state functioned around the turn of the century 20th century before world war one

00:33:12.520 and that and that the state very had very very very minimal almost zero interaction with most

00:33:19.940 people if you hadn't if you hadn't joined the army or the national service and and and so there's

00:33:26.180 that and then the post office the post office was nationalized and so everyone would use the nearly

00:33:32.300 everyone would use the post office beyond that it didn't really touch your life for most people

00:33:37.280 almost their entire life yeah and yeah so we live in a world now in the 2020s of course where the

00:33:45.520 state at least in brown where the state is gigantic compared to that absolutely gigantic and i would

00:33:52.240 like to see uh it it reduced basically i don't want a nanny state i don't want the state involved

00:33:57.340 just let me grill bro and actually that leaves me on as a nice little segue because

00:34:01.300 rupert low uh echoes some of those sentiments okay sorry just what just on that yeah you'll

00:34:09.800 know the numbers or roughly certainly more than i but how many people were locked up last year

00:34:14.920 or for for speech in the uk it's i don't know it's a few thousand though wasn't it it's a few

00:34:20.560 yeah and we've become so desensitized to these things but again go back 20 or 30 years and

00:34:29.400 and hear that well you're gonna have to go back further than 30 years but imagine the 80s oh

00:34:36.440 so be it russia you know pre glasnost and perestroika but pre gorbachev and and you know

00:34:43.620 oh they've they've got 3 000 people in prison for things they said you know they they raided

00:34:49.740 their house at night they took all their equipment and you know and they put them in prison for like

00:34:55.820 eight eight months whether you you'd be like wow that place is just you know what what a hell hole

00:35:03.220 what what a hell hole and we've become so we see it every day and you know it's it's it's slowly

00:35:10.640 grown and when things grow slowly you don't notice and then suddenly where the uk is locking up a

00:35:18.680 couple of thousand people for speech and yeah operation creep main you've got to maintain that

00:35:25.240 critical distance because if you get too desensitized you forget what that actually

00:35:30.920 implies and it implies so much shut up or you're going to prison that's the uk yeah i did see uh

00:35:39.800 so a data point a few months back saying that britain over the last handful of years year on

00:35:45.340 year has imprisoned more people over freedom of expression than russia yeah it doesn't surprise

00:35:53.780 me in this life yeah well i mean we're well you're not in britain but here yeah i have i watch i have

00:36:00.200 to watch of course very very carefully what i say and what i tweet all day every day there's loads

00:36:06.040 of things i would like to say loads of things i get a little bit of shade from people for not

00:36:10.680 Saying but I can't

00:36:12.580 Unless I want a knock at the door

00:36:13.760 I'm surprised I haven't had one already in fact

00:36:16.700 Very surprised

00:36:17.740 So yeah we live in a 1.00

00:36:20.680 Censorious state now 0.92

00:36:22.180 Sorry go on

00:36:23.160 No I'm just agreeing with you

00:36:25.900 I'm just looking at these

00:36:27.740 Awful videos of people

00:36:30.200 That are protesting and

00:36:31.560 You know they've probably got

00:36:34.020 Face recognition they're all probably

00:36:35.920 Going to get a knock on the door

00:36:37.600 And you know and that will sort of

00:36:40.020 disappear uh you know as once the story's gone the the sort of the state's apparatus functioning

00:36:49.200 its ideological state apparatus functioning will carry on doing its job and a few of these people

00:36:54.740 will likely be locked up they'll they'll and once that happens and what it was for it will likely be

00:37:02.160 under some kind of racial thing you know if you've made the mistake of daring to have a

00:37:08.180 a St George's cross on you or something.

00:37:10.740 You're never getting a job again.

00:37:12.500 All those things happen.

00:37:14.500 That message spreads to their friends and family

00:37:17.360 and everyone, like, that self-surveying increases

00:37:21.780 and everyone else gets a bit quieter.

00:37:24.260 And what radical and profound change needs is volume.

00:37:29.100 And so that self-surveying is, you know,

00:37:33.520 it's an insipid and dangerous thing.

00:37:36.680 You know what makes me think of, though, Chris,

00:37:37.900 in the Soviet Union certainly the post let's say at least the post-Soviet era and in lots of other

00:37:43.760 places in sort of 1980s China uh in in all sorts of countries towards the end of Ceausescu loads

00:37:50.680 loads of different places it gets to a point where the people en masse don't care anymore or rather

00:37:57.320 they're prepared to stand the hazards of the dire like a lot of these people they know that police

00:38:02.460 will have a camera there and face recognition and that they might get a knock may well get a knock

00:38:05.960 at the door and they don't care they don't care anymore there's something much more important to

00:38:10.640 them than that you know if when you hear when i mean i believe you've read sojournits and stuff

00:38:16.280 haven't you so um where they talk about what it means to live the life of a dissident really a

00:38:22.320 dissident risking court and imprisonment all the time again and again and again and again

00:38:26.880 because you're not because you're prepared to risk that and then and then you go underground i mean

00:38:35.940 to to organize anything you now you really have to go underground and uh i mean

00:38:43.740 how far away do you think the uk is from a a time like that where people are because it's a question

00:38:51.700 of sacrifice isn't it you've got your kids you've got your mortgage you've got all these things that

00:38:57.780 sort of take up your day in one way or the other you're either working to pay them or doing the

00:39:02.620 admin to maintain them at what point do enough people say it's it's you know i'm i'm i'm i'm

00:39:12.800 i'm playing my part in a society that's not worth maintaining i i i'd like to think that that was

00:39:24.620 quite close but we've said you know we've seen these little tussles going on for all my life

00:39:31.740 I've seen this sort of stuff on the telly

00:39:33.980 Yeah

00:39:34.880 Yeah

00:39:36.140 Well I mean talking about then the mood in the country

00:39:39.600 I want to ask you a little bit about Rupert

00:39:41.180 Because I've seen you've made a bit of content about Restore and Rupert

00:39:43.800 Over the last few months or whatever

00:39:45.400 So what are your thoughts and feelings about

00:39:48.800 Restore Britain and Rupert and everything?

00:39:55.000 I mean again

00:39:59.440 what he says is basic isn't it if you if you've come here illegally you've got to go

00:40:05.960 should be common sense complete centrist dad position a reasonable position right yeah

00:40:11.400 they're seen as these sort of insane far right you know like fascists yeah and it's just like no you

00:40:19.300 you're not you you haven't played by the rules you've actually broken our laws rather than give

00:40:26.400 you a house you should you should get a flight home you know i think pretty much every everything

00:40:33.340 he says i agree with the death penalty i'd have to have a a bit more thought about that um

00:40:42.720 if his plan of waking up people who haven't been politically politically engaged for years

00:40:52.660 and actually start going and voting works,

00:40:56.860 I'm actually quite optimistic that he's going to have an impact

00:41:00.440 on British politics.

00:41:02.200 If he doesn't do that, then I think he's just going to...

00:41:11.700 You know, we're going to be in the same situation

00:41:13.820 as most of Western Europe and the way their voting system works

00:41:17.700 and it will be used against us.

00:41:20.800 But, you know, I have seen some amazing interviews with people

00:41:26.040 Who've been on the ground, who are going out leafleting

00:41:28.600 In Makerfield, you mean? In Makerfield

00:41:31.240 Yeah, exactly

00:41:33.080 Yeah, right

00:41:33.900 Hopefully, good

00:41:37.340 Okay, one other thing that I wanted to get your take on

00:41:40.480 Because it's sort of one of the big questions of the day

00:41:42.720 Of our times

00:41:44.260 The US-Iran war and what's going on there

00:41:47.820 I mean, this headline is the latest just in this news cycle

00:41:50.000 US and Iran launched new strikes

00:41:51.520 As Kuwait says airport hit by Iranian drones

00:41:54.220 And the story is basically that

00:41:55.440 The ceasefire

00:41:57.500 They're firing on each other defensively

00:42:00.420 But there's still a ceasefire

00:42:01.840 And Trump and Rubio

00:42:04.260 Saying we're going to make a deal any day

00:42:05.540 Give us another couple of days

00:42:06.700 And he won't say no we'll never give up our right to enrich uranium

00:42:10.040 What are your thoughts and feelings

00:42:12.280 Broadly on the entire

00:42:14.600 Persian war

00:42:16.620 the Persian War

00:42:20.600 again there's a disjoint between the media

00:42:24.840 so I don't think I have a real clue what's going on

00:42:28.680 I don't know what military

00:42:32.480 action is actually being taken by either

00:42:36.520 side you know that's not it's not the media's job

00:42:40.720 to tell me that it should be but it's not

00:42:43.920 um you know it i i was very interested in trump's no new wars and then he and i understand that

00:42:55.500 sometimes that you you that can be tested because of situations but it's a regime change war you

00:43:03.920 know and that that's very that makes me suspicious as well um but in terms of like the persian war

00:43:12.800 I haven't got a clue

00:43:14.760 I read the articles

00:43:16.120 but it's just

00:43:17.760 difficult to know who to believe

00:43:19.760 yeah exactly but again

00:43:22.820 I don't mean to keep coming back

00:43:26.780 to the stock market but it's obviously

00:43:28.740 affected by this

00:43:30.480 so you need to get information

00:43:32.940 but I get

00:43:34.940 I get the same

00:43:36.480 publication giving me

00:43:38.660 both sides of the

00:43:40.780 story different sides of the story one day after the next almost as if their job is to just leave

00:43:50.180 me in this sort of hyper real confused dizzy hypnotized state where it's just this thing

00:43:59.200 that's happening there'll be an outcome at some point someone will have been declared the winner

00:44:05.780 and then it will just fade into history and be rewritten later by the victors

00:44:12.280 yeah i mean i'd like to give you more i know that sounds quite hollow but no it's not not at all

00:44:19.780 no no not at all no not at all i absolutely agree it's difficult to know what on earth to believe

00:44:25.340 where both sides really in a way you can't blame them it's as old as time both sides peddling

00:44:31.360 misinformation disinformation and propaganda both sides doing that constantly so it's it is

00:44:37.000 difficult isn't it and especially in the our world now of uh very very convincing fake footage and

00:44:43.020 stuff it's it is difficult to know that's a completely reasonable take sir completely

00:44:48.080 reasonable yeah yeah so so in short not a danny larue i mean that's an interesting page you've

00:44:58.440 got up there i mean i i read an article about four weeks ago bring that up harry so people can see

00:45:04.560 the price of oil sorry chris go on sorry mate harry you bring that page up so people see what

00:45:09.880 there you go sorry go on chris carry on it's still there it's an it's interesting because it's got

00:45:14.540 the stocks at the top and then it's all and then you you know you can click on more about the the

00:45:19.460 war and all that i read an article about four weeks ago and it was saying that tsmc is it or

00:45:27.240 TSMI, they're the big Taiwan semi conductor company that without them,

00:45:33.360 the whole of the AI thing sort of collapses.

00:45:37.840 And it said that they tend to have about 12 days of energy stashed up.

00:45:46.200 And the article was essentially saying if this Straits of Hormuz

00:45:51.120 thing doesn't get sorted out, they'll be shutting up shop in 11 days.

00:45:56.400 now that didn't happen i mean the stock prices certainly don't reflect that the whole semiconductor

00:46:03.040 industry doesn't seem to reflect that i mean did someone just make that up no i i believe

00:46:10.560 from my understanding i believe that formosa i like to call taiwan formosa because i'm old school

00:46:14.880 i believe they rely massively on lng uh like natural gas and the vast majority of that come

00:46:22.640 from qatar and from the persian gulf and yeah their stockpiles of it strategic national stockpiles

00:46:27.780 were a couple of weeks or something but i believe it was something like it's so important to the

00:46:32.380 entire world that both america and china were prepared to help them out to make sure they don't

00:46:38.500 run out exactly because of the semiconductor industry you know like how america the berlin

00:46:42.540 airlift it's like well this is so strategically important we'll just send you millions and

00:46:48.100 millions and millions of can of barrels of this in order to make sure you don't collapse it's

00:46:53.060 sort of that sort of strategically important but you're quite right it's a worry isn't it

00:46:56.420 it's a massive massive worry um but there you go i mean you're quite right to put your finger on

00:47:02.660 sort of that stress point that there's sort of one massive company one massive corporation in

00:47:08.820 taiwan that makes the majority of semiconductors and things for computer chips and all various

00:47:15.000 stuff that i won't pretend to truly understand all of it but yeah that that's a massive choke

00:47:19.800 point for the whole world and isn't that isn't that a concern yeah and they said like at the

00:47:26.200 beginning of this war it could all implode very quickly and then it didn't sorry go ahead yeah 0.98

00:47:31.160 yeah and how and and of course we've had china flying around taiwan for years that that that

00:47:38.780 comes up in the news cycle every three months i've noticed that chinese bombers of jet fighters

00:47:46.140 have been circling taiwan you know and again i don't well i do mean to repeat myself you know

00:47:53.600 it's just signaling oh there's china china've got their eyes on taiwan and then they'll just

00:48:00.240 keep reminding you of that there's there's there's no actual story there's no actual uh if this

00:48:06.420 happens this might happen but there's gonna there's concern about this it's just be worried

00:48:11.160 add this to that sort of hypnotic kind of uh you know i don't know i you know i don't understand

00:48:19.200 anything anymore because it's beyond understanding and not because it has to be there's there's

00:48:25.580 definitely people who can write there's definitely journalists who can explain situations and

00:48:33.140 there's definitely people who could understand them they're just not being employed they've

00:48:38.080 been replaced full scale by propagandists who do a very different job and you know we're picking

00:48:46.260 through like the debris of of an information system that's long gone well you know we're

00:48:54.420 looking for crumbs and scraps of reality i know you don't like it when i go down this road but

00:49:01.720 it's Borgia's old map

00:49:04.660 and the territory

00:49:05.520 the empire made a map

00:49:08.700 of the territory that was a ratio

00:49:10.780 of one to one

00:49:11.860 and over time

00:49:15.000 the territory and the map

00:49:16.760 disintegrated and when people

00:49:18.740 came later they couldn't tell the difference

00:49:20.960 between the map and the territory

00:49:22.440 and that's where we

00:49:24.340 that's exactly

00:49:25.820 I say exactly, it's figuratively

00:49:28.200 where we are now

00:49:29.600 and it's a real problem look at the internet the internet promised and was for a while you know

00:49:38.940 you were there i was there it the most amazing tool for communicate the spread of information

00:49:46.120 and communication it got flipped into the world's and history's most successful surveillance

00:49:55.240 Operation and now

00:49:57.440 It's mutated it hasn't lost

00:49:59.420 That hasn't left that behind obviously

00:50:01.400 But now it's mutated

00:50:03.220 Into this you know

00:50:05.220 Like a

00:50:05.940 Like a propaganda carousel

00:50:10.000 And

00:50:11.020 Where else do you know what

00:50:13.300 You're meant to do

00:50:14.300 Yeah a whirly gig

00:50:17.300 Yeah the CIA I mean Sergey Brin was always

00:50:19.280 CIA wasn't he the Google

00:50:20.320 Yeah yeah of course

00:50:23.120 Of course, it was subverted from day one, in fact, really.

00:50:28.160 But, okay, Chris, unfortunately, we're getting on for time here.

00:50:32.440 Can you let people know where they can see you?

00:50:35.640 And you're a proper author now, haven't you?

00:50:37.820 You've got books out, haven't you?

00:50:38.920 Let us know all about that, mate.

00:50:39.900 Well, I wrote my first novel 20-odd years ago.

00:50:45.160 I am now a full-time professional writer,

00:50:48.460 which is slang for full-time professionally skint.

00:50:53.120 This came out in November

00:50:55.740 Boom

00:50:56.960 Bring it a little further away

00:51:00.000 Let your camera, there you go, boom, zoom

00:51:01.360 Okay, got it

00:51:02.120 Love in the time of Nudimax

00:51:05.660 Number one new release on Amazon

00:51:08.040 Number 51 in literary fiction

00:51:10.840 It's doing really well, lovely

00:51:12.520 You can find me on Substack

00:51:14.600 That's probably the best place

00:51:16.000 I've got a YouTube channel, do live streams

00:51:18.180 Got a lovely community there

00:51:19.780 If you want to come over there

00:51:21.240 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:22.080 Sub stack. 0.96

00:51:22.900 Point to the Scrubs, Scrub Nation. 0.53

00:51:24.240 You'll find me. 0.98

00:51:26.200 Point.

00:51:27.980 Okay, Chris, we'll get you back on soon.

00:51:29.960 We'll get you back on soon.

00:51:30.800 Let's do something.

00:51:31.640 Let's talk about art history at length.

00:51:33.300 Let's do that.

00:51:34.160 How about that?

00:51:37.320 And postmodernism.

00:51:39.060 Okay, okay.

00:51:40.760 I think the right have got that wrong as well.

00:51:45.160 Fair enough.

00:51:46.000 Okay, Chris, we'll have to let you go at that point,

00:51:47.760 but thanks once again.

00:51:48.680 Have a good rest of your day.

00:51:50.180 Take care.

00:51:51.240 okay there you go chris dangerfield great guy can't say fair enough an old buddy been far too

00:52:00.440 long since i last spoke to him far far far too long all right and i will try and organize that

00:52:04.540 chat with him about um about our history it's been quite a few years the last time i did something

00:52:09.240 like that was with josh big josh firm years ago three four years ago now so it's high time it's

00:52:15.920 time all right should we do our poll yesterday's poll because i was so engrossed with my chat with

00:52:20.640 charlie downs i totally forgot to give people the results of the of our poll yesterday and we asked

00:52:27.580 you yesterday uh would you like uh who would you like to see host breakfast with beau when beau's

00:52:34.380 on holiday we gave the options of dan luca big harry or someone else dan wins it the tubster

00:52:44.020 wins it he probably doesn't like being called that i don't think i've ever called him that before

00:52:46.960 the tubster dan tub has won quite easily on 48 percent there so i'll have a word with him he

00:52:53.340 might not want to do it he might just might not be prepared to do it but i'll have a word with

00:52:56.740 him that's what uh the glorious band the chosen few want i should try and give you what you would

00:53:01.020 like i'm a river to my people aren't i after all all right today's poll we had a poll today as well

00:53:07.520 didn't we? And what did we ask you guys? Nearly 2,000, just shy of 2,000 votes. Do you feel a pure

00:53:18.500 cold rage at the murder of Henry Novak? The eyes have it to the tune of 95%. It's rare to get that

00:53:28.900 much agreement. 2,000, just shy of 2,000 votes, 95% of you say you do feel a pure cold rage

00:53:39.440 at the murder of Henry Novak. Yeah. It would be weird not to, wouldn't it?

00:53:48.760 I wrote an article ages ago on Lotus Eaters about, I will look back in anger. I think

00:53:55.620 it was called i think it was just called look back in anger or something now don't tell me not to

00:53:59.760 look back in anger i think i will i think it would be weird almost monstrous not to now that's the

00:54:06.940 correct thing to do that's normal that's human to feel a rage at that there you go you nearly all

00:54:14.700 agree with me so i'm preaching to the choir there all right should we do it on this day in history

00:54:18.440 because it's already it's already nearly five to nine so let's have a quick look at on this day in

00:54:22.280 history shall we you guys like that bit i like that bit down through the centuries what happened

00:54:26.980 of note on this day on the 3rd of june all right on the 3rd of june in the year 1621 the dutch west

00:54:35.440 india company receives charter for the west indias which is the americans caribbean and west africa

00:54:40.380 so as i've said before a number of times people a lot of people know of like the east india company

00:54:44.280 the british the honorable british east india company in fact lots of countries had similar

00:54:52.040 similar like quasi-military trading companies the dutch west india company is one of the

00:54:59.160 one of the bigger ones okay on this day in 1929 chile and peru sign the treaty of lima finally

00:55:05.080 resolving their border dispute from the war of the pacific which is from 1879 to 83 chile keeps

00:55:12.120 arica and peru regains techno i don't know much about that i'm afraid

00:55:15.880 I can't give you a little

00:55:18.840 2, 3, 4, 5 minute spiel

00:55:20.840 About details about that

00:55:22.160 I'm afraid, sorry

00:55:23.820 Could do on this one though

00:55:25.800 In 1943, a mob of 60

00:55:28.280 From the Los Angeles Naval Reserve

00:55:31.360 Armory

00:55:31.980 So sailors, soldiers, sailors

00:55:34.240 Beats up everyone perceived 0.98

00:55:37.180 To be Hispanic

00:55:38.360 Wasn't everyone, that's an exaggeration

00:55:40.920 Starting the week long

00:55:42.580 Zoot suit riots

00:55:43.900 so that that chap there on the right is wearing a zoot suit you might have you might have seen

00:55:50.560 like an old tom and jerry cartoon where tom wears a zoot suit it was the fashion among some people

00:55:56.480 in the 40s very very baggy trousers quite often a big long chain like a skater boy massive jacket

00:56:02.180 like that that's a zoot suit in los angeles a lot of the mexican people latinos would wear them 0.77

00:56:08.860 And for absolutely no reason

00:56:12.400 Sailors went around LA

00:56:16.060 Beating loads of them up

00:56:17.240 No one died

00:56:17.760 Oh no wait

00:56:19.860 It wasn't for absolutely no reason was it

00:56:21.540 That's what the progressive types will have you believe

00:56:23.920 That's what this statement says

00:56:25.340 It was like for no reason basically 0.98

00:56:26.600 Just white sailors go around beating up Mexican people 0.99

00:56:30.420 For absolutely no reason 0.99

00:56:31.400 No 1.00

00:56:33.200 The crime among the Latino Mexican community in LA 1.00

00:56:37.580 Even in the 40s was absolutely massive 1.00

00:56:40.420 Don't talk about one specific murder that happened

00:56:44.500 Which sparked it off 1.00

00:56:45.400 By Latinos 0.98

00:56:47.100 No?

00:56:48.920 No 0.99

00:56:49.300 It was just white people beating up Mexican people for no reason 0.99

00:56:51.920 See how they rewrite history 0.99

00:56:56.220 See how the left

00:56:58.040 Progressives

00:56:59.320 Shamelessly rewrite history

00:57:01.460 Shamelessly lie by omission

00:57:03.740 Absolutely shamelessly and endlessly

00:57:06.860 Alright, on this day in 1979

00:57:09.420 The Ixtoc 1 rig in the Gulf of Mexico

00:57:12.300 Blows out

00:57:13.040 Spilling 3 million barrels of oil

00:57:15.080 In one of the worst oil spills in history

00:57:16.620 Yeah, I'm one of those people

00:57:17.820 Perhaps weirdly, perhaps not

00:57:19.620 I'm interested in disasters like that

00:57:21.200 All sorts of oil rig disasters

00:57:23.240 Nuclear power

00:57:25.700 Nuclear power disasters

00:57:27.200 All sorts of things like that

00:57:28.100 That was a bad one, it was a big one

00:57:29.480 Yeah, look it up

00:57:32.140 Watch a YouTube bit about it if you're interested

00:57:33.540 On this day in 1989

00:57:34.760 They mentioned this the other day

00:57:35.660 Didn't they on this website?

00:57:36.320 On this day, 1989, beginning the Tiananmen Square Massacre

00:57:40.080 As Chinese troops opened fire on pro-democracy supporters in Beijing

00:57:43.880 Yeah, they arrested loads, beat loads of them up

00:57:47.920 And killed loads of them, yeah

00:57:49.740 Because you're not allowed to have democracy in China 0.97

00:57:53.420 Or even ask for it

00:57:54.900 The police will beat you up 0.96

00:57:58.840 If you turn up 100,000 strong, the army will kill you 1.00

00:58:02.960 That's China, that's what China is 0.55

00:58:05.440 that's what that's what communism is 0.78

00:58:07.660 don't when i moan about china throw shade at china don't tell me that i'm overreacting or

00:58:18.260 it's not necessary or they're actually our friends and stuff why should i be worried about china

00:58:23.180 all right let's have a look at the rumble rants and super chats for today

00:58:32.160 Let me do this with my mic boom

00:58:34.200 So I can see the left hand side of my screen

00:58:35.880 Where the rumble rants are

00:58:36.880 Have we got global church history in at number 1

00:58:39.180 Yes, today is a good day

00:58:40.400 Global church history in at number 1

00:58:42.080 Reigning, defending and still

00:58:43.860 Global church history gives us two factoids

00:58:48.180 The first one is

00:58:48.720 On this day in 350 AD

00:58:50.820 St Constantine

00:58:52.320 Constantine the Great, Constantine the First

00:58:54.300 His nephew 0.99

00:58:56.000 Neoption

00:58:58.220 You've written

00:58:58.760 I thought it was

00:58:59.860 Neoptimus

00:59:02.860 There's a couple of different ways of spelling that

00:59:06.460 A little bit of a footnote in history

00:59:08.420 This guy but I know about it anyway

00:59:09.780 Because the characters in

00:59:11.240 The chapters in Edward Gibbon

00:59:13.080 Are brilliant

00:59:14.580 The decline of all of the Roman Empire 0.69

00:59:16.260 Edward Gibbon

00:59:17.080 Absolutely gold standard

00:59:19.280 He declared himself emperor

00:59:22.120 Yeah briefly

00:59:25.300 Briefly

00:59:26.480 He marched into Rome with like a cobbled together

00:59:29.680 if i memory serves couple together a group of gladiators and then his political enemy

00:59:39.040 magnetius there's a lot of maximins maxentius's max max there's lots of maxes in that period of

00:59:47.520 history i think it was magnetius uh just sent in his army and crushed him if memory serves

00:59:59.680 neptominus i can't even know i don't even know how to pronounce it there's more than one way

01:00:03.040 of spending anyway and the other factoid we've got um on this day in 1098 the first crusaders

01:00:11.440 took antioch but soon found themselves besieged um yeah that's one of my favorite bits it's among

01:00:18.000 my favorite bits of history it's certainly one of my favorite bits of the first crusade perhaps all

01:00:23.120 crusades is when uh the crusaders the franks the christians they took antioch on their way to 0.69

01:00:31.600 jerusalem and then were besieged in there by a giant muslim army and it looks like they were 0.90

01:00:38.240 going to get starved out and all killed to a man it was looking bad and then and then 1.00

01:00:45.200 One of their monks, one of their holy men 0.96

01:00:47.660 Said

01:00:50.500 Said he found Longinus' spear

01:00:54.500 The spear that a Roman centurion used

01:00:56.820 A thousand years earlier

01:00:57.920 To pierce the side of Christ

01:00:59.920 Just buried in Antioch

01:01:02.980 He just found it

01:01:03.820 Found it

01:01:05.740 This is the spearhead

01:01:07.220 That pierced the flank of Christ

01:01:09.760 And apparently, according to accounts 0.59

01:01:11.720 That made all the crusaders

01:01:13.340 sort of almost magically break out of their despair.

01:01:20.280 And they broke out of Antioch 0.99

01:01:22.220 and took on a much, much larger Muslim army 0.99

01:01:25.160 and defeated them. 1.00

01:01:27.940 What an incredible story.

01:01:30.060 Crazy story.

01:01:30.600 Everyone was there.

01:01:31.860 Everyone of importance was there

01:01:33.160 at that siege of Antioch.

01:01:35.820 Beaumont, Raymond of Toulouse,

01:01:40.120 Geoffrey de Bouillon,

01:01:42.140 Edgar the Aetheling,

01:01:43.340 Stephen of Blois

01:01:45.960 Eustace of Boulogne

01:01:48.220 Baldwin of Haino

01:01:50.040 Everyone that was important

01:01:52.080 In the First Crusade almost

01:01:54.660 Was there

01:01:55.160 And they looked like they were just going to get

01:01:57.660 Absolutely smashed and defeated and annihilated to a man

01:01:59.920 And then

01:02:01.260 Broke out and won 0.98

01:02:03.060 They went on to take Jerusalem the next year 0.99

01:02:10.300 Great story

01:02:11.220 If you're sort of a pro-Crusade person

01:02:14.980 Alright

01:02:16.340 Geoffrey Farnall says

01:02:19.000 Good morning Bo, morning sir

01:02:20.140 With your style

01:02:22.640 You look like a more handsome version

01:02:26.660 Of the last Prime Minister of the 19th century

01:02:29.240 Oh, thank you

01:02:30.480 That's not to say that Lord S

01:02:33.000 Wasn't a handsome fellow himself though

01:02:35.100 Exclamation mark

01:02:35.900 So that'll be Lord Salisbury, right?

01:02:38.660 You think I look like a more handsome version of Lord Salisbury?

01:02:41.220 the marcus of salisbury robert cecil i'll take it i'll take it thank you very much

01:02:47.380 yeah actually if memory serves we've got a similar beard it's sort of

01:02:52.740 not too bad but a bit uncle albert and it could be slightly better maintained but um

01:03:02.100 that's how i like it i don't want it too perfect

01:03:05.780 yeah i've got a similar beard to lord salisbury actually now you say it

01:03:08.340 Thanks, a more handsome version

01:03:11.340 Cheers, appreciate it

01:03:12.240 Okay, what else have we got here?

01:03:14.800 Someone called Hiro Senichi Ban

01:03:17.560 How, that's one long word

01:03:19.500 Hiro Senichi Ban

01:03:21.640 You're a Japanese person? 1.00

01:03:24.800 You say, restore Britain must win all elections 1.00

01:03:27.940 Yes, aim high, vote low, millions must go

01:03:29.640 And then you say, millions must go

01:03:31.520 Restore the death penalty

01:03:33.620 Yeah

01:03:35.320 in certain circumstances when the conviction is 100 safe for certain crimes i'm of the opinion 0.99

01:03:42.480 that the death penalty is absolutely warranted like that actual rudy capatana fella

01:03:48.760 that warrants death in my opinion right fallen firebird says as a european i feel our timeline

01:03:59.460 really careened off a cliff after world war one yes i could talk or have in fact already talked

01:04:04.940 All about that at length

01:04:07.280 It poisoned everything that came after it

01:04:10.580 Things weren't perfect of course

01:04:11.880 But Christendom was sane

01:04:13.320 Now what are we?

01:04:16.300 Many historians have noted

01:04:18.200 That the world pre-1914

01:04:23.500 European world certainly

01:04:26.720 Western world 0.99

01:04:27.620 Was a completely different world

01:04:31.040 To 1918

01:04:32.440 That there was a sea change there

01:04:36.760 In all sorts of ways

01:04:38.240 Not just sort of politically

01:04:39.260 Not that like four or five

01:04:40.660 Of the world's biggest empires collapsed

01:04:42.500 And the British Empire though

01:04:44.900 Not collapsing was profoundly changed

01:04:46.920 The transfer of the treasure

01:04:48.700 Of an entire empire

01:04:49.740 The world's biggest empire

01:04:50.600 The world had ever seen

01:04:52.200 The British Empire

01:04:52.760 Transfer of a lot of its wealth

01:04:54.620 From London to New York

01:04:55.840 In order to pay for it

01:04:56.880 The trauma

01:04:59.660 The psychological trauma 0.91

01:05:00.880 Of an entire generation

01:05:02.120 the rewriting of the map yeah the world war one changed everything in many ways even when i got

01:05:10.580 to talk to dan carling yeah there's a bit of content me talking to dan carling harry on my

01:05:16.420 on my own channel harry on my own channel history bro i did a conversation like four or five years

01:05:22.460 ago or more maybe with dan carling the great history podcaster dan carling check that out

01:05:26.720 it's on there it's not behind a paywall or anything one of my best conversations ever on

01:05:31.560 the internet there we talked about a bit and i've had a similar conversation with godfrey bloom

01:05:38.280 xmep godfrey bloom og badass godfrey bloom godders about how we live in a world that is still

01:05:46.940 experiencing the ripples of world war one world war two was born out of world war one the cold

01:05:55.080 war was born out of world war ii world war one was the most seismic thing perhaps in all of human

01:06:03.360 history so yeah you feel like our timeline careened off a cliff after world war one yeah i agree

01:06:11.060 yeah we still live in a world where the echoes of that strong audible echoes still resonate

01:06:22.460 absolutely alright Harry you have to bring up the YouTube super chats for me

01:06:26.260 if you don't mind

01:06:26.800 could you do that on my screen

01:06:28.300 engage

01:06:29.480 here we go

01:06:30.980 they've just appeared

01:06:32.380 alright

01:06:32.960 we've only got about half a dozen or so here

01:06:34.860 so let's have a look

01:06:36.300 pooping while standing 0.63

01:06:40.100 that's their name

01:06:40.940 at pooping while standing

01:06:42.380 says

01:06:43.340 when do we replace kind words with hard costs

01:06:49.380 good question

01:06:50.040 Good question

01:06:52.540 Isn't it already overdue?

01:07:00.980 Salavinivarma

01:07:01.780 Salavinivarma

01:07:03.620 Says

01:07:04.720 Only found out yesterday

01:07:06.160 That

01:07:06.860 What's POS?

01:07:10.280 Person of

01:07:10.920 What's POS Harry?

01:07:12.840 I can't remember what that stands for

01:07:13.860 Person of something isn't it?

01:07:16.300 That the POS

01:07:16.920 Is it a racist thing?

01:07:19.140 I can't remember

01:07:20.040 Do you know Harry?

01:07:25.340 Oh, yes, sorry.

01:07:29.320 Yeah, I only found out yesterday that the person, 1.00

01:07:34.160 the piece of S who killed Harry, 1.00

01:07:37.920 it wasn't his kerpan, it was the knife that Afghans have. 1.00

01:07:42.260 So he was effectively carrying two. 0.54

01:07:45.180 yeah apparently that family had a giant cache of weapons bladed weapons

01:07:52.320 i saw yesterday some story about how his brother and his father his mother was already put up in

01:07:59.220 charges and convicted i believe of aiding and abetting a killer because she hid the murder

01:08:05.380 weapon but apparently now the father and brother are also going to be charged with things of just

01:08:10.920 Owning loads and loads and loads of weapons

01:08:13.620 Even sort of maybe banned weapons

01:08:15.080 I don't know the full details

01:08:16.200 But apparently

01:08:17.280 Their house just had loads and loads of weapons in it

01:08:21.580 Okay

01:08:24.340 T. Turi

01:08:25.900 Is that how you want that said?

01:08:27.360 No idea

01:08:27.760 T. Turi 2

01:08:30.340 Says

01:08:31.180 No income tax, no vote

01:08:34.220 This will make the socialists mad

01:08:36.320 As they

01:08:37.520 As they stay

01:08:39.300 as they say income tax is a responsibility that's not a bad idea if you've never paid

01:08:47.440 income tax you don't get a vote not a bad rule of thumb is it it's not insane

01:08:57.840 field marshal dawn browning hoyt by the way her actual name in it it's got hoyt in it

01:09:03.340 the field marshal how are you this morning love you all right i hope you are

01:09:08.040 cheers for the money there it's always a generous amount you give you've put um this has been a

01:09:13.600 lovely change bow i'm old enough to remember when you first went on chris's show for anyone who

01:09:19.820 doesn't know the field marshal dawn browning is uh queen of the scrubs shall we say that doesn't

01:09:27.100 sound right does it chris's audience are collectively known as scrubs or the scrubs

01:09:32.040 a term of endearment they like it everyone everyone's happy with it it's not it's not

01:09:36.860 like the horrible tlc uh definition of being a scrub which is bad and negative no that's a good

01:09:44.000 one good version of it she's been there she's a loyalist an absolute dangerfield loyalist thank

01:09:50.540 you dawn thank you dawn yeah it's a long time ago the first time i went on dangerfield don't know

01:09:53.980 how long ago it was it's gotta be well it's near the beginning of my history bro stuff so six seven

01:09:58.680 years ago maybe maybe eight i don't know a while now though it's well it's got a bit it's well over

01:10:03.880 five years one over five years all right feel old yeah harry five years ago you were still in like

01:10:12.540 year nine or something were you i wish i was 20 again sometimes sometimes i do all right last

01:10:22.020 couple here erwin romulus says morning chris just wanted to say thanks for making a childhood

01:10:28.660 memory that's in i don't know exactly what that's referring to um here's my favorite video oh one

01:10:33.840 of one of dangers videos is my favorite video to show young people who don't know any different

01:10:39.600 and a good tonic when the doomers won't shut up cool nice i'll have to look that one up

01:10:45.560 yeah a lot of chris's back catalogue is great absolutely great

01:10:49.260 okay and the final one here this morning is from opening doors one who says saw some footage of

01:10:56.800 that young henry having a laugh with his family seemed like a genuinely nice kid have to disagree

01:11:02.640 With your guest

01:11:03.520 In regards to the death penalty

01:11:04.940 No debate from me

01:11:06.180 On that one

01:11:06.700 Sorry

01:11:07.020 Yeah no worries

01:11:07.780 No need to apologise

01:11:08.380 You're allowed your opinion

01:11:09.800 Absolutely

01:11:10.140 Of course you are

01:11:10.780 Especially when it agrees with me

01:11:12.060 Alright

01:11:15.080 That's the show

01:11:16.640 I've got to finish

01:11:17.700 I'm going to finish there today

01:11:18.720 Because I've got recording

01:11:19.500 I've got various recordings

01:11:20.420 I've got to do this morning

01:11:21.320 Before lunch

01:11:22.000 Epochs

01:11:22.980 I'll continue my

01:11:25.260 Narrative of

01:11:26.340 Henry VIII

01:11:27.700 We're up to the Anne Boleyn years

01:11:28.980 The juicy stuff as well

01:11:29.860 So

01:11:30.020 Okay

01:11:30.620 It's now 11 minutes past nine

01:11:31.960 in the air in british summertime on uh wednesday the third um it is wednesday isn't let me double

01:11:37.320 check that yeah wednesday the 3rd of june in the year of our law 2026 thank you for joining me

01:11:43.720 without you it isn't a thing the glorious band the chosen few the best among us watching this stuff

01:11:47.820 live watching it live getting involved in the chat doing the poll sending in a super chat or

01:11:53.000 something brilliant what more could i possibly ask for thank you thank you so much all right then

01:11:59.500 try and make the best of their head if you can carpe diem seize the day it's my precious thing

01:12:03.160 you will ever have your time you'll only have this day on earth once once it's gone it's gone

01:12:06.140 you've got a finite number of days on this earth all right without getting too preachy

01:12:11.400 you get it until tomorrow morning then take care

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 03, 2026

Breakfast With Beau ｜ Wednesday 3rd June 2026

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