The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - Europe's Time Is Running Out ｜ Interview with Martin Sellner

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to this interview. I'm Harry, joined today by a very special guest,

00:00:06.620 quote, the most dangerous identitarian on the European right, Martin Selner, who's here to 0.97

00:00:13.780 talk today about his latest book, Remigration, published by Passage Press, and the general

00:00:20.220 prospects of remigration and a positive identitarian movement across Europe. Thank you very much for

00:00:28.040 joining me today, Martin. Thanks for having me. And it's great to have you too. So for people who

00:00:35.180 aren't aware, you have been involved within identitarian movements, particularly in Germany

00:00:41.300 and Austria for a very long time now. You have grown quite notorious. Not that I'm judging you

00:00:47.860 for that at all. Question, are you still barred from Germany and Great Britain? Because I think

00:00:53.940 I remember that Theresa May's government barred you from here. Is that still in effect?

00:00:58.040 Yes, the United Kingdom, yes. Germany, not anymore. I've successfully fought the travel ban to Germany and Switzerland. And currently, I think I have a standing travel ban to the United Kingdom and to the United States of America.

00:01:12.280 to the US as well, even under Donald Trump. That is quite shocking, but quite sad to hear. But

00:01:19.280 we're able to still talk despite all of that, and we're able to still spread our ideas. So

00:01:24.460 that is something positive about the information system that we have set up at the moment. So

00:01:30.340 for those in the Anglosphere who may be less aware of you, because you're not able to come

00:01:37.820 over here. You're more well known on the continent, as far as I can tell. Before we get into the

00:01:43.860 details of your book, Remigration, which is being published in English, I believe, for the first

00:01:49.040 time, how long have you been involved in remigration activism? And what got you involved

00:01:55.260 in identitarianism, particularly given that you are of a German-Austrian background, given the

00:02:01.200 whole politics of guilt and the holdover of the guilt holdover from the Second World War

00:02:09.080 related to that, it must be quite difficult to break out of that politics growing up in Austria,

00:02:15.280 growing up around other Germans. I'm interested in just a little bit of biography of how you 0.99

00:02:20.440 managed to get into it and how you managed to break out of the kind of mindset that modern

00:02:25.380 Germany, modern Austria would want you to stay in. You're absolutely right here.

00:02:31.200 Especially as an Austrian, like the amount of comments I get as an Austrian being very active in Germany.

00:02:37.300 So you can imagine what people claim all the time.

00:02:41.060 And yes, Germany and Austria have been hit maybe the hardest when it comes to the politics of guilt and white guilt and self-loathing.

00:02:48.940 But this also, in a way, turbocharged the need for something new.

00:02:53.040 So we have a new right-wing activist movement, Generation Identity, created 2012 in France.

00:02:58.560 And then very recently after that, we imported it to Austria and I could play an important role, thank God, in spreading the whole movement across the continent.

00:03:08.040 And some people might still remember the big actions we did.

00:03:11.820 We chartered a boat and went to the Mediterranean to hinder human traffickers there.

00:03:17.240 We blocked a smuggling pass in the Alps.

00:03:20.960 But obviously, due to the success in 2020, we were totally nuked and vaporized.

00:03:26.640 So I'm banned from any social media platform, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, and also I've been debanked 116 times.

00:03:35.980 So this was the reaction, I would say, of the system to this new blend and to this new approach of activism, which was very successful.

00:03:44.560 It means we are new rights, so we don't see ourselves in the footsteps of any totalitarian ideology of the 20th century.

00:03:50.460 We always show our faces, our actions are always non-violent, non-aggressive, creative, sometimes even funny, like street theater.

00:03:58.940 And also, in terms of our goals and our ideology, we focus on the most important issue, which is demography. 0.83

00:04:06.360 And since 2012, we have been raising the alarm for the great replacement, for replacement migration, and we've been demanding re-migration since 2016.

00:04:15.640 And I'm very happy, very pleased, also very proud that by a combined effort, we made it possible that in spite of all the censorship, debanking, debatforming, re-migration really took off after COVID.

00:04:27.640 So that's what we're doing. I'm an organizer, I'm an author, I'm an activist, and I see myself as a re-migration ambassador.

00:04:34.480 Thank you. And with that, that is quite shocking, everything that's been done to try to censor you.

00:04:39.840 Given the, as you say, demography and replacement migration of Europeans, particularly within their ancestral homelands, but also within the larger nations that they've set up elsewhere in places like the United States and even in places like Australia, that is the big issue.

00:04:57.240 And they've tried very, very hard to censor you from speaking about it and doing anything about it, despite the fact that, like you say, your activism is specifically non-violent. You are trying not to hark back to any of the totalitarian movements of the 20th century on the left or right.

00:05:16.900 Why is it that you think that despite that, you are still censored in this way by the regime and by the establishment?

00:05:26.000 Why is it that just saying no to your own displacement is seen as the most dangerous thing in our current politics?

00:05:34.980 I think it's not despite that, it's because of that.

00:05:38.500 One left-wing journalist once wrote,

00:05:40.840 we, the identitarians, are that dangerous because we are so harmless

00:05:45.100 or in their eyes because we appear so harmless.

00:05:47.520 So we don't fit into the cliché.

00:05:49.780 It's very hard to use us as a scarecrow to scare people away from the identitarian issue.

00:05:55.540 And I think it was really due to our success and very successful approach

00:05:58.600 that we were hit so heavily by the censorship hammer.

00:06:02.060 And also, I think there's a very peculiar and important thing to identitarian activism and actions.

00:06:07.020 We had a lot of YouTube channels, influencers online.

00:06:11.500 But for us, the call to action is not so much subscribe, share and donate, but get active yourself.

00:06:19.300 So I was trying to get people out of the online right sphere onto the street, onto the ground.

00:06:23.480 We have training camps, summer training camps.

00:06:26.260 We have rhetoric academies where people are being taught how to speak to journalists.

00:06:30.620 We are organizing movements, sales everywhere in Germany on the continent.

00:06:36.180 We're organizing big demonstrations because I think it's very important to not just talk online about the issue, not just report about it.

00:06:42.640 It's very important, obviously, the Infowar, but we also need some ground game.

00:06:46.680 And that's what Generation Identity stands for. 0.55

00:06:49.440 And obviously, as you said, it's crazy that today just standing up for your own identity, just loving your own people, it's okay to be white.

00:06:57.700 Remember, this Genius Poster campaign is seen as the biggest crime. 0.70

00:07:02.320 But it also shows us, I would say, the big game plan of the globalists.

00:07:06.740 The demographic replacement is irreversible.

00:07:10.020 And I see everything else apart from the great replacement and re-migration as a distraction right now. 0.98

00:07:15.360 Because every other issue, economic issue, cultural issue, is, in my opinion, futile and completely worthless once we've become a minority-known nation. 0.99

00:07:24.900 Then we are facing a Lebanese scenario, a South African scenario, and we have a time frame of about 10 to 15 years to still prevent this in the UK, in France, in Germany. 0.97

00:07:36.080 And so that's why we're now totally focusing on this term. 0.99

00:07:39.040 We are organizing the Remigration Summit in Europe.

00:07:41.580 We are organizing and unifying the whole remigration movement.

00:07:45.160 We're offering policy ideas, but we also want the people who are watching this, the millions of Europeans who are now for remigration, to get active, to organize them.

00:07:54.340 Because I think organization is the real acceleration. 0.96

00:07:57.520 Only if you organize people, if you can transfer the vibe, the virality, the memes into a real political lobby, a real movement, then we can achieve re-migration.

00:08:08.880 That's excellent to hear.

00:08:09.940 You've actually presaged one of the questions that I was going to get to, which was that I was going to ask if you saw that there, because I see it sometimes as well, because I'm very active in the online spheres, of course, working the job that I do.

00:08:24.340 And I see it all the time where there is an excess of energy online that doesn't always translate out onto the ground.

00:08:33.020 Now, in Britain, there is the new party, Restore Britain, which was started by Rupert Lowe,

00:08:39.540 who have been going out of their way to get people out and canvassing for things like the local Makerfield by-election

00:08:45.760 that's going to be coming up very soon to see if they can get MPs in.

00:08:49.000 and there seems to be a big swell of positive response to people wanting to get out and do

00:08:57.740 that. So in the past, I suppose the question is, I've seen in the past that people get way

00:09:04.340 too insular online. People get way too invested in just being online meme posters, and sometimes

00:09:10.680 that can get them kind of down a negative place. I've indulged in it as well, where you go down

00:09:15.500 edgy posting, and you think it's really cool getting loads of likes and retweets on Twitter

00:09:20.040 because you said the edgiest thing that you could, well, that doesn't actually impact the real world.

00:09:25.920 And in fact, it could negatively impact your future prospects by making you more difficult

00:09:30.440 to work with because people don't want to be associated with that kind of presence.

00:09:33.980 Do you see that kind of online insulation that people found themselves in and overindulging

00:09:40.560 in edgy posting? Do you see that as something that's starting to fall away and people are

00:09:45.240 getting more involved in the ground game,

00:09:47.040 people getting more interested in taking it to the ground

00:09:49.740 and doing things and organizing in a way that actually matters

00:09:52.420 and makes a difference.

00:09:54.560 Absolutely.

00:09:55.360 I think you have perfectly summarized all the threats and pitfalls

00:09:58.620 with being a solely online movement.

00:10:02.000 First and foremost, I think it's very easy for a political opponent

00:10:06.840 to completely survey everything.

00:10:08.860 So everything that happens online, Discord, chat groups,

00:10:11.420 can be totally surveilled and can also easily be manipulated.

00:10:15.240 So in Germany, we know by a fact that all of these telegram chat groups are infiltrated.

00:10:20.920 Many of these patriotic telegram groups are run by federal agents.

00:10:24.880 There was an investigation by the AFD and we got this official information.

00:10:29.640 So it's also very easy to infiltrate them and then to get them entangled in all kinds of criminal activity and in the end just to ban them.

00:10:39.240 And also, I think we have been outmaxed the info on the online rights.

00:10:42.880 There are so many podcasts now.

00:10:45.180 It's amazing that they all exist.

00:10:46.620 But you see, especially in American, right?

00:10:48.760 It's very hard now to get any attention by just telling the truth.

00:10:52.540 So you have to create outrage.

00:10:54.680 You have to create boxing fights.

00:10:56.560 You have to stage all kinds of drama to get the attention and the clicks.

00:11:00.220 And also, it's a very bad feedback loop.

00:11:02.340 The only way to get attention online is to say the most outrageous thing.

00:11:05.900 So it's a brave thing to do there.

00:11:07.640 So you have a race to the most radical fringes,

00:11:09.860 which you cannot transform in the public.

00:11:13.120 So it's very healthy for activists

00:11:14.500 to actually talk to normal people, 1.00

00:11:16.460 to boomers when they hand out leaflets 0.98

00:11:18.020 because then they understand 0.98

00:11:19.460 what people really want to hear

00:11:20.980 and how to really get your message across.

00:11:25.620 So I think what we need right now

00:11:27.400 is to take this vibe,

00:11:29.760 to take this virality,

00:11:31.280 this domination we have in the meme war

00:11:33.180 and in the online sphere

00:11:35.340 and to transform it first

00:11:37.580 into a political movement on the ground.

00:11:40.160 It started with Raise the Colors in the UK

00:11:42.060 and now I think Restore has done an amazing job

00:11:45.120 of getting people really on the street

00:11:46.440 and starting a street movement

00:11:47.440 and also is to turn it into a political lobby,

00:11:50.940 a political lobby organization.

00:11:52.700 That's exactly what I'm trying to do now 0.64

00:11:54.620 with the Institute for Remigration.

00:11:56.400 It's an NGO I'm starting in June in Europe 0.79

00:12:00.620 and it aims to become like

00:12:02.480 the National Rifle Association in America,

00:12:04.720 but just for remigration.

00:12:06.520 So the first lobby for indigenous Europeans in Europe, because very often right-wingers complain about foreign lobbies, powerful lobbies who are influencing our government on foreign behalves.

00:12:17.700 And I completely get this, but the only solution is to become a lobby ourselves.

00:12:22.400 And we need to get away just from the attention economy, from dopamine clicks and likes.

00:12:26.980 We need to create a real organization on the street with real people and we need to turn

00:12:32.240 to a political lobby that can reward and also punish right-wing politicians if they embed

00:12:39.040 our goals or if they water down our ideas once they're in power.

00:12:42.500 So I think those are the most important strategic goals right now for the European and for the

00:12:47.180 online right.

00:12:48.200 That's really exciting because you've actually, again, kind of foreshadowed something that

00:12:53.560 I've been worried about for a long time, which is the idea that, and I suppose I'll have two

00:13:00.960 questions off the back of this, so just bear with me for a moment if you'll allow me. I've been

00:13:06.340 worried about the fact that in terms of organizational and patronage networks, the left

00:13:12.020 has had the right outclassed at this point, or at least shall we say the non-establishment,

00:13:17.960 non-containment right outclassed for decades at this point. The left have professional activist

00:13:24.980 classes because they have organizations that will employ them and they will have patronage networks

00:13:31.160 funded by billionaires, the most notorious of which of course being George Soros, who are more

00:13:36.000 than happy to funnel as much money as is necessary into these organizations so that they can get

00:13:42.460 their agenda put forward and made reality rather than just pure theory. The right's been good on

00:13:49.160 theory for a long while, but that is somewhere where we've really needed to catch up. So it's

00:13:53.740 really exciting to hear that you're involved in organizing something that is trying to create

00:13:59.020 these networks and organize in a way that's going to be effective. So off the back of that,

00:14:04.500 The questions will be, one, how do you attract patronage to a network like that? And two, how do you avoid the pitfalls of making it so that the patronage aren't simply trying to co-opt your own movement? Because there is also the threat if big money comes in, they have their own ideas and their own wants. How do you avoid being co-opted by that?

00:14:29.060 That's actually a very good question.

00:14:30.520 I agree that's something we're really lacking.

00:14:32.760 So we're lacking this funding and giving culture.

00:14:35.920 But if you look at the potential we have, so Trust Invest in Europe, you have combined

00:14:41.560 with the UK, 95 million voters of right-wing parties.

00:14:47.140 And if you have the average amount of leisure and luxury spending for one week, it's a huge

00:14:51.960 budget that's out there.

00:14:53.900 And people are already donating, but they're donating to this little organization, to this

00:14:57.520 little streamer.

00:14:58.180 So I think the right also needs incubators, fundraising networks and meetings where big money can come together and then this money can be distributed to diverse organizations.

00:15:10.960 Obviously, I completely agree with you.

00:15:12.920 With this, you also have some kind of at least a possibility of becoming dependent.

00:15:19.540 But here, I think it's important to have full transparency.

00:15:22.520 and in the end it's also very clear and it shows immediately whom you're working for by your

00:15:27.620 positions about what you're doing so for example what we're doing is completely funded by private

00:15:32.920 donations but these private individuals donate to us and support us because they like what we do

00:15:38.840 and i think that's the most democratic thing ever and i think in the end it's for very important for

00:15:44.380 these organizers to not become totally dependent on one big donor so for example also for institute

00:15:49.280 I don't want one guy who totally bankrolls us.

00:15:52.720 I'd rather have a swarm donations, crowdfunding of more, several, smaller donors.

00:15:58.120 I agree that's a pitfall here.

00:16:00.720 But to be honest, I think it's a risk we need to take when we want to become professional.

00:16:06.180 Because obviously, to create professional institutions, we also need some kind of money.

00:16:09.920 We need people who are doing this as a job.

00:16:12.720 We need community organizers.

00:16:15.040 And I think in the end, there's a huge hidden potential here with all the podcasters and

00:16:20.040 influencers.

00:16:20.940 If they would all whistle one tune, speak one language, have one perfected wording,

00:16:25.980 then we could increase and multiply our effectiveness.

00:16:28.880 And you've seen it with the term re-migration was for the first time, we have this one

00:16:33.040 term, which is becoming a mobilizing myth.

00:16:35.480 So the problem, all these little demands of more deportations, closing the borders here

00:16:38.960 and there.

00:16:39.280 But now suddenly we have one term, like the left has socialism or communism.

00:16:43.680 And we need to operationalize this and repeat this. We need to create terms, mantras, and repeat them over and over again, but on the European level. And then suddenly, our reach and also our impact, our velocity will completely explode. And it's also something you want to do with the Institute. So I think what we're lacking right now is not so much numbers, also not really money and funding. It will be there. It's always there. Once you have a great project, you always get the donors.

00:17:09.060 What we really are lacking now is organization, people who are creating these ideas and trying to establish these networks.

00:17:16.380 Yes, it's about getting positive slogans because, you know, like as much as it makes people like us cringe,

00:17:23.680 diversity is our strength has been such a pervasive slogan that's permeated all of the media.

00:17:31.460 and it's been to the point where you can probably get into an argument with somebody on the street

00:17:38.120 who is a leftist and that is just a stock phrase that they will throw out to you because it's so

00:17:44.400 it's an earworm and they've seen it everywhere so we we need like equally catchy like marketing

00:17:50.940 as that once we're once we're all organized we've got re-migration and we need more off

00:17:57.380 the back of that because that gets in people's minds and it solidifies the idea into something

00:18:03.500 that they can just roll straight off the tongue. So that's great to hear. And on that, we'll talk

00:18:10.120 about your book, Remigration. If I may just quickly add here, to really understand and grasp

00:18:16.380 the huge success of the left is to look at the term like hate. If I will tell you right now,

00:18:21.500 I'm organized in a network on NGO that fights online hate. You, even though you're a right

00:18:26.740 would immediately assume I'm on the left. So they've managed this association, also repeated

00:18:32.420 by us, to associate a term like hate, which is a negative emotion nobody likes, with a political

00:18:37.940 conviction, with political arguments like shutting down the borders, reducing migration, revoking

00:18:43.840 citizenship. This is now totally associated to this emotional term. And this didn't happen by

00:18:49.460 accident, it happened by design. And I think that's also now something we need to fight back

00:18:53.860 on this level. We need to create our own metapolitical, our own linguistic strategy,

00:19:00.960 and then we all need to rally behind that, if we want to really conquer the debate. Sorry for...

00:19:06.000 No, no, that's absolutely fine. You were right to put in there. That was a great point off the

00:19:10.820 back of it, because you immediately made me think of you, probably very familiar with Hope Not Hate

00:19:15.320 in Britain. They've probably targeted you, yourself, because you hear that and you know

00:19:22.720 immediately who they are by the way that they are saying hope not hate means leftism not right wing

00:19:30.040 not rightism is essentially what you could say that that is a synonym for. So we need to have

00:19:35.200 our similar own slogans and monopolized terms where people will be able to hear it and have

00:19:41.380 positive conversations towards us immediately spring into their mind. And on the back of that

00:19:47.320 Again, let's move on to your book, Remigration, because I see your work, and thank you again for sending me a forward copy of it from Passage Press, the English translation of it.

00:20:00.640 I understand that you wrote it a few years ago now, but this is the first time that it's been published in English.

00:20:05.580 I found your work, having read this book now, to be some of the best analytical work in describing

00:20:13.220 what the problems are and what needs to happen. In the same way that you've been doing with this

00:20:18.980 discussion so far, any time that I was reading through and found that I might have an issue

00:20:24.760 where, oh, he's going a bit vague here, I'm going to need to ask for some clarity regarding this

00:20:30.360 point, the next paragraph or the next section of the book would have a very well-written and

00:20:35.680 comprehensive answer to the question that I was going to ask. So I appreciate the fact that you

00:20:40.600 are clearly in a very analytic mindset with that, and that's the kind of work that we need

00:20:45.560 being done towards remigration efforts. But in it, I thought one of the most interesting things,

00:20:52.120 and I think, again, it would be interesting getting your perspective as an Austrian here,

00:20:55.740 is the fact that one of the first things that you discuss in the book is the idea of

00:21:00.960 identitarian politics. And you state quite rightly that every politics has an identitarian

00:21:11.000 aspect to it. A lot of politics is almost purely identitarian. And what we have been subject to

00:21:17.600 since the end of the Second World War, particularly in your case as an Austrian and your next door

00:21:22.860 neighbours in Germany has been a very negative identitarian policy. We've been fed a very

00:21:30.460 negative view of our history. In your corner of Europe, that's been because of the Second World

00:21:36.340 War and the Holocaust and other things that have been wielded against you and held over your head.

00:21:41.040 In my country, in Britain, it's been the British Empire decolonisation. But you've been talking 0.83

00:21:46.680 about building a positive identitarian politics for Europeans. How have you found that within

00:21:55.020 your native Austria? And what have you been finding to be successful strategies for getting

00:22:01.020 particularly young people today to have a more positive view of their own identity, their own

00:22:06.780 culture, and their own history without, again, leaning into or playing into any stereotypes the

00:22:12.560 left might have of us just being racists and mindless bigots and hateful i think it's actually

00:22:19.760 i'm very happy you mentioned this so thank you for that because i think that's one of the most

00:22:23.600 important points of the book because obviously you have a lot of very good migration policies

00:22:28.540 right now but very different my book it goes to the root or at least tries to go to this root

00:22:33.840 to give you a view on the bigger picture as you said every nation has identity politics

00:22:40.640 It's like politics is identity politics necessarily

00:22:43.560 because politics comes from a community.

00:22:48.080 The ruling of a community and a community needs a certain understanding

00:22:53.300 of who they are and who the others are.

00:22:55.180 And for that, you need to have an identity.

00:22:56.980 And every nation also has a demographic policy, obviously.

00:23:00.740 And the thing today is these are the only taboos in our society

00:23:03.560 to talk about democracy, migration, birth rates,

00:23:06.900 and to talk about our identity.

00:23:08.460 Who are we as Anglo-Saxons, as Austrians?

00:23:11.580 What does it mean to be British, to be Austrian?

00:23:15.160 These are the big taboos.

00:23:16.260 All the other issues like economy, data protection laws, transparency, you can have a very vivid

00:23:23.600 debate about that.

00:23:24.420 These two taboos, they are hidden away like the forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden.

00:23:32.100 And that's exactly why we need to touch them.

00:23:34.200 And we need to overcome this self-loathing because if you hate yourself and if the hatred of your own kind is institutionalized, every political measure to save this kind by increasing birth rates, by having a welcome policy for your own children is also in a way impossible because people say that's extremist, racist, national socialist in Austria.

00:23:57.240 So we need to overcome this.

00:23:58.960 And remigration in the end is a software issue, not a hardware issue.

00:24:02.480 So all the things about logistical ideas, about legal questions that are addressed in the book are secondary, primary.

00:24:10.400 It's the questions overcoming this will to death and replacing it with a will to life.

00:24:15.600 And the real strategy for this, I think you're completely right, is not to go back into an ideology of supremacy, into a real ideology of hatred.

00:24:24.160 But, and that's what we offer as identarians, an idea of ethno-pluralism.

00:24:28.800 So we accept all differences. We really like and appreciate different cultures.

00:24:34.320 And what we want to defend is the right to exist for our own culture and to really increase and instill a love for your own nation and people in history and young people is to teach them this history.

00:24:46.220 So what I really like about this new real and TikTok culture is when people really see the beautiful things of our past, the buildings, the battles, the heroes.

00:24:55.680 That's amazing because we haven't been daughters at all.

00:24:59.160 So we have completely forgotten this.

00:25:01.060 And I'm, as a millennial, I did not have TikTok and Instagram when I grew up.

00:25:05.960 So I was force fed these stereotypes from MTV and from all the movies.

00:25:10.620 And now suddenly this is breaking up.

00:25:12.600 Technology is disrupting this one way propaganda channels. 0.86

00:25:16.200 And there's a whole young generation of Zoomers waking up to the glory and the beauty of our 0.98

00:25:20.840 past. 0.97

00:25:21.180 And this will instill a love to protect this because you can only protect and save what you love in the first place.

00:25:27.480 So I think that's a very good strategy.

00:25:29.820 But also I have to say, as an identitarian, it's important that doesn't tilt in the other extreme direction again into an ideology of supremacy and real hatred.

00:25:38.660 Because I think this would make it very hard, in the end impossible, to have a real political change.

00:25:45.520 So what we need to do is to love our nation.

00:25:47.620 Our nation needs to totally come first.

00:25:49.200 be completely proud of our ethno-cultural continuity, try to preserve it, but also respect

00:25:54.180 all the others. And that's exactly what identitarian stands for.

00:25:59.820 Well, that's fantastic. And I mean, that's what you're talking about with reminding people where

00:26:05.880 we come from, our history, our achievements, our culture. It reminds me, I did an interview earlier

00:26:10.920 this year with Dr. Ricardo Duchesne, the Canadian professor on his book, Greatness and Ruin, which

00:26:17.060 was going through the various different achievements that Europeans have created

00:26:23.660 over the millennia. It's kind of similar to Charles Murray's book on human accomplishment,

00:26:30.200 where he's talking about human accomplishments and the development of all of these different

00:26:34.840 philosophies and sciences and practice. And music is one of my big ones, being a musician myself.

00:26:40.380 and one of the interesting things about it is part of the problem of how we've got to where

00:26:48.080 we are particularly with this negative identity politics is that part of a kind of an imperial

00:26:55.540 globalizing mindset that our elites have gotten into since the end of the second world war

00:27:01.580 seems to have been a project to universalize all of our accomplishments and bring the rest of the

00:27:08.660 world into them, which seems to be a very strangely pathological altruism. You breach into

00:27:16.280 sub-Saharan Africa and you see that the people there have not reached the same civilizational 0.80

00:27:21.240 heights that we have, so we need to bring them over to here and bring them up to what we consider 1.00

00:27:27.160 to be our standards and our levels, and we have to sacrifice everything of our own, including our

00:27:32.440 own identity to do so. It's this weirdly Europeanized and Eurocentric view of how the

00:27:38.520 rest of the world can do better. We have to go into Africa and make them into kind of like 1.00

00:27:44.040 idealized African versions of Europeans. It's a very strange idea, but this kind of 0.81

00:27:51.520 universalizing tendency could be one reason that we've got here. Well, what you're saying is that

00:27:57.380 we can recognize the achievements of Europeans, and I really did find reading that book very

00:28:02.180 instructive on just reminding me how much as a broader people that we've all achieved.

00:28:08.760 But we don't have to hold everybody else to be like, you're worse because you have not been 0.53

00:28:15.200 European. We don't have to kind of flatline every other culture and turn it into the gray sludge 1.00

00:28:21.820 as globalization has. And that is one idea on why we're facing mass migration right now,

00:28:30.320 this kind of universalist, globalist project that's kind of an offshoot of old-fashioned

00:28:35.720 European imperialism. But similarly, to understand how to solve the problem, we do need to understand

00:28:42.040 the causes. So from your own perspective, what do you see as the causes of our current suicidal

00:28:49.420 trajectory with mass immigration into Europe, into Australia and New Zealand and America 0.96

00:28:55.780 and Canada? Would you see it as being this kind of misplaced universalizing tendency,

00:29:01.920 some kind of misplaced white guilt over the Second World War and imperialism?

00:29:07.020 Some would suggest that it would be an economic reason, the idea that the globalist capitalist

00:29:12.580 class wants to simply chase profits and wants to turn people into consumers. What do you see

00:29:17.920 the reason? I think you hit really the nail on its head. And that's also my own analysis. I've

00:29:27.000 also been writing about this, thinking about it. So what actually interests me is philosophy. I also

00:29:32.800 did my bachelor in philosophy and was really studying those issues because I really wanted

00:29:37.660 to understand where does this death wish come from? Because obviously it's too big. It's too

00:29:42.920 global. Every post-Christian white and only the post-Christian white civilizations are affected 0.87

00:29:48.280 by it. So it cannot be the propaganda of the victors of Second World War, which initially a 0.70

00:29:53.660 lot of people fought in Germany because it also hits the victors of Second World War. And also

00:29:58.500 distinct groups who are profiting from the Great Replacement and from the self-destruction of 0.54

00:30:04.000 white people. Yes, they might have a role and you can talk about this, but again, it's too global

00:30:09.520 into strong and all these interest groups have been existing also hundreds of years and suddenly

00:30:14.160 this is happening so i think it really you have to go back into the history of ideas and i think this

00:30:20.400 self-hatred is again a hidden universalism a hidden idea of still supremacism in a way even

00:30:28.560 because you had a lot of um i would say uh like waves of universalism religious universalism

00:30:35.840 civilizational universalism.

00:30:37.300 And today it's universalism of guilt 0.88

00:30:39.100 because what white people 0.86

00:30:41.100 and especially German people

00:30:42.160 still insist on is 0.79

00:30:43.200 that our guilt is supreme.

00:30:45.400 We are the masters of the universe.

00:30:47.540 Everything that's bad in the world

00:30:49.060 is happening by our deeds

00:30:50.300 and by our omissions.

00:30:51.800 So if people are suffering anywhere,

00:30:53.800 it's because we,

00:30:55.120 as the masters of the universe,

00:30:56.520 didn't lift them up. 1.00

00:30:57.960 A developing country is a country 1.00

00:30:59.080 on the way to our standards. 1.00

00:31:00.360 So it's all our fault.

00:31:02.100 And this, of course,

00:31:03.140 takes away agency of our people.

00:31:04.980 So what I think to overcome white guilt, we need to throw out this idea of being chosen, of being the center of the universe, the center of history.

00:31:13.400 We need to throw off the white man's burden in a way.

00:31:16.680 So we need to find ourselves again and we need to understand we don't have to have this universalistic mission and this universalistic responsibility to justify our own existence.

00:31:26.400 Because the problem is, and this also really happened in the past of Europeans, that these missions and also our power and our state of the world was mostly and sometimes only justified by this universalistic abstract mission that we did.

00:31:42.240 And once this mission was gone, suddenly we had no sense to live anymore and also no justification to exist anymore. 0.61

00:31:48.620 And now in the nihilistic, materialistic state of the European, suddenly all of this is turned against ourselves. 0.87

00:31:54.820 So we are still on the top of the hierarchy, but we're on the top of the guilt, on the top of the evilness hierarchy, so to say. 0.84

00:32:05.120 But still, this gives us a very strong identity.

00:32:08.200 So in the end, it's an identitarian question because we need to find a different identity, a different sense, a different purpose as English people, as German people, as white and European people in the world, apart from universalism. 0.54

00:32:20.360 And the real reason, I think, why guilt and this ideology of guilt is so popular among Europeans is it gives you a very strong sense of identity.

00:32:30.240 And today, if you grow up and go to a German university, either you become a post-identitarian global citizen of the world, a businessman, you know, who only takes care of himself.

00:32:42.380 Or if you're looking for a purpose, if you're looking for a purpose, what does it mean to be German European? 0.68

00:32:47.440 You immediately encounter this ideology of guilt, which gives you a very strong identity. 0.86

00:32:51.820 And suddenly it means something to be German again. 0.82

00:32:54.580 So in the end, this guilt is very identitarian, very folkish, even to say so,

00:32:59.240 because it is directly linked to your own biological heritage and your ethnocultural history.

00:33:07.100 So this needs to be overcome.

00:33:08.520 We need to find a different identity that really overcomes this expansive universalistic ideology and, again, throws off the white man's burden.

00:33:17.960 Because we don't have to justify our existence by having the major role in any kind of universalistic global operation.

00:33:27.400 If this makes sense.

00:33:28.760 No, that does make sense.

00:33:30.080 It's very interesting how you pointed out how it's almost like it's the new German, it's the new Austrian reason for being the folkish concept that unites you all, that you can recognize by biology.

00:33:46.140 Because I'm sure that you, like we, we get new British people in all of the time.

00:33:52.120 You get new Germans and new Austrians into your country all of the time.

00:33:56.080 But I'm sure if it ever came to, and I'm sure if you pointed out, well, this person arrived here yesterday, he's not Austrian, that people would act with shock and horror, are you even suggesting such a thing? But if you were to then suggest, well, if he is just as Austrian as me, then he should feel just as guilty as the rest of us about the Second World War, all of a sudden, they would know straight away, wouldn't they?

00:34:17.320 Exactly. Sometimes I troll left-wing journalists when they ask me, what is a real German? How do you define a real German? And my answer is, a real German is somebody who feels guilty for his past.

00:34:30.560 There you go. 1.00

00:34:31.380 Well, head explosion.

00:34:33.580 Yeah, but it's like in Britain, like we get the new British and then we're told, oh, they're just as English as the rest of us. And we got told with Rishi Sunak as prime minister, we were told, oh, he's English.

00:34:45.820 And then you point out then, OK, so given that he's of Indian background but is also English, is he owed £45 trillion in reparations or does he owe India £45 trillion in reparations?

00:35:02.460 Which is it? And I think when you ask a question like that, you suddenly get your answer very quickly.

00:35:08.000 But it's interesting how we talk about how it's all based around this politics of guilt because you talk about the different problems that would be resolved through a program of remigration across all of Europe.

00:35:20.820 And that would be economic, that could be structural, that could be housing issues, that could be environmental issues.

00:35:27.400 But one problem that we see faced by young people especially every single day these days, it's been commented on by so many people, is the mental health crisis.

00:35:36.820 So many young people are growing up with this horrible self-image, they've got anxiety,

00:35:42.180 and there are any number of reasons that experts will point towards for why that is. But one that

00:35:48.500 they always count out is the overbearing psychological weight of this sense of guilt

00:35:53.960 that's foisted on them from a very young age. So one of the positive aspects of a positive

00:36:00.120 identity movement would be that you're able to alleviate that psychological weight that's keeping

00:36:06.660 that's keeping so much pressure on you all the time. There's been studies done into it,

00:36:10.580 remarked on by people like Paul Bloom, that white people do feel this overbearing sense of anxiety

00:36:19.160 because when they're confronted with multiculturalism and they know that there are all of

00:36:23.720 these rules that they have to follow or else they're a terrible racist person, it causes them

00:36:28.220 a great deal of psychological turmoil. And this is just accepted as pass and parcel and almost

00:36:33.400 normal and good that white people should. So if they're able to get into a positive identity 0.93

00:36:38.600 movement instead, that will make them feel a lot better. That's one of the benefits that we can

00:36:44.220 get. But people would fight back against you if you even suggested that they should be able to

00:36:49.720 feel good about themselves. So in your experience, again, as an Austrian, it's interesting to hear

00:36:56.060 your experience because you would have possibly even greater pushback on such a thing than we do

00:37:01.740 in Britain. For people watching this, what kind of tips and pointers, advice can you give them to

00:37:08.000 speak to somebody who they would like to help lift this burden from them? What's kind of worked

00:37:14.740 with you when you've spoken to people about a positive view of themselves and their own history?

00:37:20.840 That's also a very important point. I write about this also in my book. There's a German

00:37:25.300 psychologist, one of the major psychologists, and he released a study after his retirement,

00:37:31.560 Professor Ulrich Schmidt-Denter, and this was a study also published in the journal

00:37:35.780 about the effects of the Holocaust education, that's how we call this part of education,

00:37:42.060 on Germans without a migration background.

00:37:44.500 And he has done hundreds and thousands of in-depth interviews with young German students.

00:37:50.660 And he showed that after this education starts, it also goes into slavery, crusades,

00:37:58.320 You know, it's kind of a whole guilt education.

00:38:01.000 The identification with the nation totally drops.

00:38:04.940 And guilt rises, and there were questions like, if you were to be reborn, would you like to be reborn as a German?

00:38:11.300 And 80%, 70%, 80% said no. 0.86

00:38:13.920 Didn't happen with Germans with migration backgrounds, with migrants. 0.93

00:38:17.580 They're completely immune to that. 0.97

00:38:18.920 So obviously, the German identity, this community is completely shut down in a way and destroyed and atomized while the identity of the migrants is being boosted. 0.95

00:38:32.780 And it's happening systematically in Germany. 0.97

00:38:35.820 And when you may be familiar with Jonathan Haidt, the psychologist, the Righteous Mind,

00:38:40.680 that he described these people, these weird people, these Western-educated intellectual

00:38:44.060 people who are lacking the moral framework for loyalty, ancestry, and the sacred.

00:38:50.500 And these three moral arguments are being shut out.

00:38:53.300 I would say it's not natural. 0.61

00:38:54.680 It's being done systematically by white people to white people. 0.74

00:38:58.160 And if we deal with this, especially with the very educated people who are brainwashed, 0.53

00:39:04.720 I think we need to adapt something which I call therapeutical resistance.

00:39:10.340 So we have to understand we're not dealing with somebody with different ideological position.

00:39:14.240 We're dealing with somebody who has a severe psychological, I wouldn't say damage, but

00:39:19.240 he has a handicap because the normal development, you know, when you grow up as a child, you 0.99

00:39:24.220 discover your sexual identity, you discover your own self, and then the next step is the

00:39:29.240 group identity.

00:39:29.940 To have a healthy individual identity, you have to be part of a bigger and greater political

00:39:34.700 group that's obviously been the case and this um psychological development is willfully disturbed 0.55

00:39:41.940 and destroyed for white european people especially in austria and germany so the way to deal with

00:39:48.140 this has to be very soft um like very strategic and piece by piece and part by part try to lead

00:39:54.700 people out of that and one thing that has been proven successfully for me as i said i started

00:39:58.940 philosophy so i i was very deep into enemy territory was to make people understand that

00:40:03.920 actually what they are perpetuating with this ideology is still a kind of universalism.

00:40:10.880 It's still kind of universalistic pride.

00:40:14.000 It's called guilt pride in Germany because they're still proud.

00:40:16.900 They still think they're superior. 0.66

00:40:19.020 So they're not the superior biological people, but now they have a superior and unique guilt,

00:40:24.200 which is not matched by any other people in the world. 0.88

00:40:26.860 So it's still a very German way of thinking. 0.95

00:40:28.880 And if people understand that this is a political religion, that this is not rational, that they have been brainwashed in a way that they've been taught to think like that, then very often, once they're awakened, it's very easy for them to step out. 0.96

00:40:45.420 So I would say like step by step, you have to make people understand that it's a huge ideology has been pushed upon them.

00:40:51.100 It's a political religion. It's not a rational or moral mindset.

00:40:55.940 And also, obviously, and that's something I also write about in the book, it's not even helping.

00:41:00.120 It's not even helping the rest of the world. 0.95

00:41:02.500 White people destroy themselves by mass migration, like suicide, Harakiri with third world replacement migration. 0.99

00:41:10.300 It will not help the third world. It will not help Europe. 0.99

00:41:13.060 It's a loose situation for anyone.

00:41:15.860 So it's also very, I would say, reckless and unfair to do this as white people because we not only have good things to give to the world, we also have a responsibility to the world. 0.77

00:41:26.780 And this responsibility doesn't mean to send our money anywhere, to import millions of non-Europeans. 0.57

00:41:32.840 It means managing and helping to manage and contain the dangers that we also created because we have created a whole modern world from AI to the Internet, to atomic bombs, to very dangerous ideologies, from liberalism to communism, fascism. 0.94

00:41:48.560 All of this is a creation of white people. 0.77

00:41:50.240 If white people now just opt out and leave the rest of the world with all these dangerous technological and psychological tools, I would also say it's very reckless. 0.90

00:41:59.460 So appealing again, obviously, as an argumentative strategy to this idea of having a purpose that goes beyond ethnocentrism. 0.83

00:42:09.000 That's all very interesting. And when you say about how it doesn't benefit the rest of the world as well,

00:42:14.160 one of the striking statistics that you cite near the end of your book is that I believe it was an African demographer

00:42:21.720 was going around and asking people, a representative sample, if they would consider moving to Europe

00:42:28.980 or outside of Africa. And about 70%, 70, 80% of the respondents all said that they would be

00:42:37.360 interested of moving outside of Africa for economic reasons, for cultural reasons, for whatever reason

00:42:43.160 given. And you have to ask yourself at that point, what does Africa even look like? Let alone what

00:42:51.280 does Europe look like if we have 200 million Africans, North and sub-Saharan Africans living

00:42:57.640 on the continent? Never mind our infrastructure, our culture, all of the difficulties that it would 0.97

00:43:03.020 lead to us, the increased crime and whatnot. What does Africa look like after that happens? What 1.00

00:43:09.320 happens to the people who get left behind? Because that's not going to be elderly folk who aren't 1.00

00:43:16.760 able to make the journey moving out that's going to be young people that's going to be young people

00:43:22.800 who've possibly studied as doctors and such this is a big problem in places like Nigeria all of

00:43:28.520 their doctors just move to Europe and to Britain like what happens to those countries and at which 0.51

00:43:33.940 point like you get into this bizarre train of thought where it's like well if all of Africa

00:43:38.440 ends up just emptying itself out into Europe to Europeans kind of reverse and just go like there's

00:43:44.640 there'll be massive contingents of Europeans who go, well, it's free real estate and move down to

00:43:49.720 the tropics. And then do they all just start filtering back that way again when you end up 0.89

00:43:54.880 with like a South Africa situation where you have like a potential nuclear power on the horn of

00:44:00.740 Africa and then all of a sudden they all go, well, we want to work and live there. Like you lead to

00:44:05.240 some bizarre situations that you think of, or does everything just get worse and everybody lives in

00:44:11.000 squalor for the rest of history. It's these bizarre thought experiments, but that's just something

00:44:16.980 that crossed my mind then. Returning to your book, during your answer you were mentioning

00:44:23.620 people of non-migration background in Germany, which is just another ridiculous euphemism that

00:44:30.840 we get for German people. And we don't quite have that yet in Britain, but I can imagine it 0.99

00:44:36.620 developing in that direction. So in your book on the question of the remigration policy and the

00:44:43.800 actual logistics of it you speak of who would qualify for remigration and this is a very very

00:44:49.940 important question because we need to be clear about it for how we make our own plans and how

00:44:56.180 we sell this to people as well when we are lobbying and when we are speaking to politicians

00:45:01.300 and other influential people and you identify three different types in your book, which is type

00:45:06.620 A, which are asylum seekers. Immediately, obviously, they would need to have their claims reassessed 0.98

00:45:12.440 and if their asylum claims are not accepted, they would just immediately be put onto the

00:45:19.060 remigration list. You have other foreigners and then you have group C, non-assimilated naturalized

00:45:26.340 citizens who clearly, because they have been naturalized, would be the most difficult. And 1.00

00:45:31.200 this brings the question of how does a migrant qualify as assimilated? How do you avoid accusations

00:45:38.760 from the media and politicians about this being a purely biologically and racially discriminatory

00:45:45.180 bigoted policy on how you're qualifying assimilated? So can you tell the audience how assimilation

00:45:52.980 qualifies, how you would be able to tell if somebody is assimilated, and the likelihoods

00:45:58.880 of different peoples from different cultures assimilating into German or other European

00:46:04.460 cultures.

00:46:06.560 Yeah, now we're going really to the core. First and foremost, my book has the subtitle

00:46:12.440 A Proposal. So it's my proposal. My take on that also formulated in the circumstance of

00:46:18.440 German audience, German-Austrian situation, and obviously German-Austrian law.

00:46:24.120 I think it's a very moderate proposal.

00:46:26.340 And I understand that there are more severe, more hardcore re-migration plans. 1.00

00:46:30.700 I think it's absolutely valid. 1.00

00:46:31.740 There needs to be an open debate between re-migration advocates and between all different kinds

00:46:36.320 of concepts.

00:46:37.160 I was really thinking about naming this third group, non-assimilated, naturalized citizens. 0.89

00:46:45.080 But I think a re-migration concept that doesn't even talk about this problem is not serious because we have the problem that the boomer, the generations before us, have been mass naturalizing people who have nothing to do with this nation. 0.86

00:47:01.280 So first, to understand the identitarian approach to assimilation, I think assimilation needs to be the goal of any kind of long-lasting immigration. 0.69

00:47:12.700 but it doesn't mean obviously that everybody can be assimilated means that in the first place if

00:47:17.600 you want to get migrants here who are here to stay and in later term need to become citizens

00:47:21.720 you have to think in beforehand how much assimilation capacity you have in your nation

00:47:26.860 for different nationals and different arrivals and this differs absolutely between different

00:47:33.520 cultures and backgrounds they've seen this in america with the immigration act before the

00:47:38.180 Hard Seller Act, where Americans said, OK, yes, we want immigration.

00:47:42.000 We also want assimilation.

00:47:43.140 They didn't like Germans to stay German or Italians to stay Italian. 0.89

00:47:46.660 But we want to preserve the demographic makeup of America. 0.77

00:47:49.980 And that's why we have a fixed number. 0.50

00:47:51.760 And then we have certain quotas for people from different nations who could come in.

00:47:55.640 And I propose the same concept for every European nation. 0.90

00:47:58.080 So we need to find out how much immigration do we want in the first place, a fixed number. 0.75

00:48:03.360 And then this number, percentage, how much people we want from Scandinavia, from Italy. 0.81

00:48:09.720 And obviously, we now have a perfect data set, an example of how much people we can stomach and take into our society. 1.00

00:48:15.820 We have made very bad experience with non-European migrants. 1.00

00:48:18.720 And obviously, here, there needs to be a total stop of migration, a stop of naturalization. 1.00

00:48:23.300 I would say a process of remigration. 0.97

00:48:25.000 And in this third group, I think there's kind of a heritage that we need to deal with, which we also cannot just get rid of. 0.71

00:48:34.640 Because, again, I stress it here, as in my book, every citizen has the rights, the same rights in front of the state.

00:48:41.580 And you cannot just treat citizens differently based on the religious background or based on their appearance or based on any other criteria.

00:48:49.360 If you promote this, it's very important to understand this, you might just as well promote a dictatorship doing away with democracy and overthrowing the current system.

00:49:00.100 Because this would take away isonomia, which is the basic idea of democracy because everybody is equal in front of the law.

00:49:06.340 So if I would promote this, then there could be a lefty guy who would promote, yeah, we take away the right to vote for all the people who don't have a democratic and hateful mindset.

00:49:17.920 So we have a database of people who have committed hate crimes, and all these people lose the right to vote.

00:49:24.020 It would be, in a way, the same proposal.

00:49:26.740 And if you start proposing taking away the right to vote or taking away the basic rights of citizens, of people who are citizens, then you are advocating for the destruction of this democratic system.

00:49:38.380 If you want to do that, that's your choice, but you have to be very aware of that.

00:49:41.680 I'm not for that.

00:49:42.660 I have a reform, an evolutionary proposal.

00:49:45.900 So, re-migration is very different from Group A, B to C.

00:49:49.860 And in Group C, it does not involve deportations because I don't call for the deportations of citizens. 0.95

00:49:55.880 But what I'm calling for is stopping the mass naturalization process, revoking the citizenships where it's possible for dual citizens or people who have been betraying the system. 0.59

00:50:08.300 Just one example, in Germany, the socialists want to revoke citizenships up to 10 years after giving them out.

00:50:15.900 For people who are anti-Semitic, the SPD, the Socialist Party said 10 years after you became a German citizen, we take it away.

00:50:23.260 If you show signs of anti-Semitism, why not 20 years afterwards, if you sign show signs of anti-German opinions.

00:50:32.760 So there were a lot of ways to change the law here.

00:50:35.360 But obviously, the most important point that I propose here, my proposal is what I call in German light culture, positive pressure.

00:50:45.900 Pressure to either assimilate or to remigrate and also voluntary incentives of people to go back to a different nation, to a different country where they fit in culturally.

00:50:55.180 And I think if you do this in the long term, if you stop mass naturalization right now, today, and from tomorrow on, you have this inversion of push and pull factors.

00:51:05.800 You have voluntary incentives of going to a different country and you have an economic and cultural pressure. 0.95

00:51:11.940 these ghettos, these parallel societies, will slowly start to decrease. 0.96

00:51:15.660 A lot happened in one year or five years, but I think maybe two or three decades. 0.88

00:51:20.700 But it's also the time that it took for these parallel societies to develop.

00:51:25.040 That's my proposal.

00:51:25.780 I think it's absolutely doable, 100% within the frame of our constitutions.

00:51:31.920 And I think it's also the most serious approach.

00:51:33.900 But again, I'm okay with other people having a more severe or more light proposal

00:51:38.760 when it comes to re-migration.

00:51:39.880 Yeah, and on that kind of pushing people, well, lightly pushing people back through a positive cultural change, one of the interesting things is obviously near the end of the book you give a few case studies and you say that they're not really applicable.

00:51:59.540 but you show that it is possible for there to be a remigration without there being mass violence

00:52:07.780 because a lot of people worry that there's going to be civil war that breaks out or that there's

00:52:12.140 going to be some kind of mass violent pushback from these large populations of migrants who've

00:52:18.240 come into our countries over the decades and the example that you gave that seemed

00:52:22.840 most relevant to this non-violent pushback was Fiji which I wasn't actually aware quite

00:52:30.700 before I read the example that you gave of Fiji of just how far it had gone with the amount of

00:52:37.340 Indians who had moved there following the following decolonization of the British Empire 0.76

00:52:42.760 because of course we moved them over there as a form of labor they stayed after decolonization

00:52:47.840 they brought their family members over, I didn't realize that they had gone quite so far as to be

00:52:55.060 able to establish themselves as the ruling political majority by one point before the

00:53:00.900 native Fijians were able to reassert control and enact a peaceful non-violent policy that meant

00:53:09.860 that it went from being the majority demographic within Fiji to I believe the figure that you gave

00:53:15.020 in the book was 25-26%, which does show to people who are sceptical of the idea, who are perhaps

00:53:24.300 blackpilling about our current situation, that there are examples of this sort of thing doing.

00:53:28.860 What we want to avoid is it from turning into a situation like you point out in Algeria,

00:53:34.100 with the French being pushed out of Algeria, which was a violent situation, which did lead to

00:53:39.660 people being attacked and dying. I think everybody wants to avoid that and we want to avoid the image

00:53:46.140 of that. But onto some of the other proposals that went off of the back of that, you established the

00:53:53.060 idea in chapter five of where these people would be held when they're on the way out.

00:54:00.320 You would establish an assimilation department, I believe was the term. I might be getting the

00:54:05.040 exact term for it wrong, but a department of government that would be able to look into these

00:54:10.460 things and have objective criteria that they can assess by. And you also say that there would be

00:54:16.120 model cities. You could get into bilateral agreements with North African states to create

00:54:23.400 model cities wherein people could work. They would be able to stay there for a number of years

00:54:30.020 before returning to their home countries. This is particularly important, as you point out,

00:54:33.860 for people who are asylum seekers where we are uncertain of their actual background. So we do

00:54:41.240 not initially have a country to return them to. And you point out things like biometrics would

00:54:48.080 be used to catalogue these people and help to trace their backgrounds. Now, a lot of people

00:54:53.480 might hear those sorts of proposals and be worried that you're ushering in, particularly with stuff

00:54:58.700 like biometrics, people get very worried about this. Some kind of techno-feudalism, that these

00:55:04.420 ideas of big organizations like Palantir, who want to use AI to catalogue people, potentially

00:55:11.020 control people through the data that they collect, that you'd just be giving them a leg up, that you

00:55:16.820 would be, they would be using re-migration as a front to be able to get their agenda through.

00:55:22.380 How would you address anybody who might have those kinds of concerns so that they don't have to worry that that could be a potential in that situation? 0.97

00:55:34.160 No, I think it's the contrary.

00:55:36.440 Why I mentioned biometric data is because these people always claim they've lost their password or a dog ate their password.

00:55:43.120 And so there's no way to find out how old they are, where they actually come from.

00:55:46.880 So we need borders and fences outside to have freedom inside.

00:55:52.380 And I want to use all of this surveillance technology, drones, biometric data, fences for the outside to save our borders and to save our high trust societies that inside our high trust societies, we need less surveillance and less of this techno-frutalism. 0.91

00:56:08.740 But if you don't stop the demographic replacement, the ethnic fragmentalization of society, then you'll have it everywhere. 0.86

00:56:15.580 Cameras everywhere, biometric data everywhere in our society, because we need to recreate the fences. 0.96

00:56:20.920 We don't have the border within and between our own gated communities.

00:56:25.180 And that's going to happen if we don't move the violence to control the checkpoints outside to our border.

00:56:33.740 So I would say no on the country.

00:56:35.940 By doing this, we prevent our society from becoming this low-trust society, this atomized society that then needs police control everywhere and surveillance everywhere. 0.60

00:56:45.080 And just to rectify this, I was talking about a demographics and assimilation monitor.

00:56:50.920 Because the problem is at the moment, we don't have the data.

00:56:53.500 We don't know how many people came.

00:56:55.420 We don't really know when the tipping point will happen.

00:56:58.760 We don't know how these migrants affected the economy.

00:57:02.920 The study we know from Denmark, where they really broke down the contribution,

00:57:06.680 the net contribution for every migrant group has to be done in every European nation.

00:57:10.900 The data is available.

00:57:12.020 It's there, but it's just hidden from us.

00:57:13.540 So the first task for any right-wing government is to have a clear data set.

00:57:18.340 We need to crunch all the numbers.

00:57:19.400 We need to see exactly what migration did to our nation in the past decades because we need this data to make a good decision for the future.

00:57:28.640 And then re-migration can really start with measured numbers and with a clear plan because a lot of those things in my book have to be speculation because they're just hiding all the numbers from us.

00:57:39.660 And these Model Cities you mentioned, I was not too radical by bringing them up.

00:57:44.720 I was too early because just recently in the European Parliament, they made a vote and

00:57:49.700 they had a majority, the conservatives and the right-wing populists, for so-called return

00:57:53.860 hubs.

00:57:55.080 And I have to admit, return hub sounds nicer than Model City.

00:57:58.520 It sounds way slicker and more, you know.

00:58:00.860 They're Eurocrats.

00:58:01.760 They're used to coming up with the ultimate neutral-sounding euphemisms for everyone.

00:58:06.140 Return hub. 0.87

00:58:07.140 So I'm absolutely for it.

00:58:08.320 I'll also use this term from now on, and the return hub is nothing else but creating a golden bridge out.

00:58:13.480 Because re-migration will not be violent at all if you create a better opportunity in the homeland or in a return hub

00:58:20.260 and then create pressure here.

00:58:22.300 Because I would say 99.9% of migrants who came to Europe came to Europe for economic reasons.

00:58:29.140 They couldn't care less about British politics.

00:58:31.700 They couldn't care less about German culture, Italian cuisine. 0.80

00:58:35.020 They came here solely for economic reasons. 1.00

00:58:36.800 And that's why there will be also an early mover bonus for countries to start re-migration first. 0.94

00:58:44.120 So, for example, if Austria starts re-migration before Germany, you only need to slightly invert the push and pull factors.

00:58:51.780 And a majority of the illegals, of the non-contributing migrants or even non-assimilated citizens will leave to Germany.

00:58:59.580 Because there's a huge inter-European mobility of migrants who are here.

00:59:03.360 And this already shows that they have no real connection to the land. 1.00

00:59:06.440 to the culture they just go where they get the most benefit from the system and if you reduce

00:59:11.480 the benefit and you create a different offer by moving to a to a return hub or to a to the homeland

00:59:17.980 many people take this offer and those who really don't do it some of them might stay and really

00:59:22.960 assimilate so i don't i don't cross this out at all it will happen but you need to create the

00:59:27.540 circumstances where we keep our ethnoculture continuity where indigenous europeans stay

00:59:32.820 the dominating majority in the nations, because without that, what's even the point of a British

00:59:38.640 parliament, of a German parliament, without a British or a German people? Yeah, that's great. 0.99

00:59:44.080 And that's good to hear about the surveillance, because I think that should help to alleviate

00:59:51.000 some people's worries regarding that. Because there is an argument to be made as well, that by

00:59:56.400 destabilizing society to the extent that it has, has been part of the push for mass surveillance

01:00:04.520 states, because it justifies it, because it allows them to say, well, crime rates are up so much,

01:00:10.260 there are so many more assaults, particularly on women, we have all of this chaos through society,

01:00:15.520 so we're going to need to implement a kind of 1984 Orwellian state. But also, you mentioned

01:00:22.880 the the economics of it that the Denmark study showed that for basically anybody who isn't an

01:00:29.600 inter-European migrant that they're for Denmark at least and you would expect that this would be

01:00:36.080 similarly replicated across most of Europe and we let you say we have these figures they just

01:00:42.040 don't release them to us or they hide them away from us within other figures that there would be

01:00:47.020 that there's basically no economic benefit to a lot of these people coming because they cost

01:00:51.840 the state money. And you're starting to see positive developments within Europe where,

01:00:57.780 as you mentioned, they're starting to set up these return hubs, which does suggest that there is,

01:01:03.960 even within bureaucrats, an appetite for this. What do you say to big business having been

01:01:13.100 part of the reason for these people being brought in as an attempt to expand the labour pool,

01:01:19.140 to decrease labour costs and to weaken unions. I've been reading an interesting book recently

01:01:26.560 which pointed out that in the 1980s in Britain you had Margaret Thatcher crushing the unions 0.52

01:01:32.840 and then 10 years later you have Tony Blair starting to open the floodgates for mass immigration

01:01:39.040 into this country which do seem to be a continuity of one another because all of a sudden you have

01:01:44.100 the economic argument, well we need these people because they're not doing these jobs that you

01:01:47.840 don't do anymore. And the reason you're not doing these jobs is because you smashed the unions and

01:01:51.540 made it so that these jobs are economically unviable for people. And following Brexit,

01:01:58.360 we had people like Lord Wolfson arguing that we needed migrants from all across the Commonwealth,

01:02:07.280 and that was one of the reasons that he was for Brexit after we left the European Union.

01:02:12.560 Does there need to be some kind of agreement entered into with business?

01:02:17.700 We obviously have the public-private partnership in a lot of governments across the West right now.

01:02:23.640 Does that partnership need to be adjusted so that business knows that it can have a certain degree of freedom

01:02:30.460 without having as much influence to bring these people in to benefit their own bottom line at the expense of the nation?

01:02:37.300 absolutely i think that's a power of the concept of remigration it's also against

01:02:44.100 legal replacement migration not only talks about the gdp but also about the cultural cost the cost

01:02:50.000 to the social capital i'm sure you're aware with this term and the study of robert putnam

01:02:53.340 of mass migration it costs it has a social cost a community cost diversity ethnic diversity has a 0.98

01:03:01.060 lot of negative side effects the lower class the middle class suffers from and not the anywheres 0.99

01:03:06.800 The people who can move everywhere and who are, as Collier wrote in his book Exodus, parasitic in the nature to these societies and to the social capital.

01:03:16.740 And it's also very interesting you mentioned Thatcher.

01:03:19.540 The same thing, the very same thing happened in Germany and Austria.

01:03:22.780 There were two betrayals. 0.76

01:03:23.680 The first betrayal by the conservatives, they brought in the guest workers to crush the socialists and to crush the workers' unions.

01:03:31.340 And then the socialists naturalize all of them to get new voters in, make them dependent on tax money. Two acts of betrayal, both in their own interest, both against the British and against the German people.

01:03:43.680 And here's another very important argument that people should really learn by heart for conversations with advocates of legal immigration.

01:03:52.960 it's the most inhumane and the most unfair thing you can do

01:03:56.900 because for this few really skilled migrants you're getting in 1.00

01:04:00.560 you're destroying their homelands. 0.57

01:04:02.480 It's demographic vampirism 0.93

01:04:03.960 because for every one skilled laborer who leaves a poor country

01:04:07.660 you're destroying the workplace of 10 unskilled laborers. 0.99

01:04:11.640 And in London you have more Liberian doctors

01:04:13.960 than in all of Liberia, in Zimbabwe, former Rhodesia

01:04:17.960 80, 70 to 80 percent of doctors who are educated there

01:04:22.420 leave the nation. So obviously, if all my doctors leave my nation, I, as an unskilled laborer,

01:04:27.560 will follow those doctors. So it's the most inhumane thing you can do to actually take

01:04:33.060 legal contributing migrants in if you want to help people at place and if you want to stop 0.85

01:04:37.500 these huge flows of mass migration. And I think here we have to take into consideration that a

01:04:42.560 nation isn't just its GDP. It's not just an economic zone. It has an ethnocultural continuity.

01:04:48.940 and this ethnocultural continuity has a value in itself which goes way beyond the gdp and even if

01:04:55.120 a certain decision when you look at the comparative costs might be bad for the gdp but it safeguards

01:05:01.260 the ethnocultural identity on the long term this is the responsible decision to make for a politician

01:05:07.660 and that's why i'm a proud identitarian because i think the ethnocultural identity is a basis

01:05:12.520 And then economy comes in second.

01:05:15.620 So to answer this question, yeah, I think that also legal migration and also the business and also the great enterprises have played a very important negative role here.

01:05:27.780 Not only communists and socialists, but again, it's white guilt again what it comes down to because we also have those businesses in Japan. 0.82

01:05:35.240 We also have a trade union in Japan and they always want to get more migrants in the businesses.

01:05:40.300 but there you don't have this self-hatred and the national consensus there is we want to stay

01:05:45.700 Japanese. So again, coming back to white guilt as the root cause. Yeah, you are starting to see

01:05:52.420 some kind of complaint of more migrants being brought in with Japan, but they have a much

01:05:58.560 more robust defense mechanism than so much of Europe has had for such a long time. They immediately

01:06:05.180 all at the same time, they start to see a trickle of 3,000 Kurds come into the country, 1.00

01:06:12.000 and they go, nope, we don't want any more of that, and they start voting in such a way to 1.00

01:06:17.800 try and prevent that from continuing in the future. Sorry, I've lost my train of thought

01:06:29.440 for a moment then. So we're going to wrap up in a moment. So before we do, what do you currently

01:06:37.000 see as the greatest challenges facing re-migration efforts across all of Europe? And what can the

01:06:44.580 people watching this right now start to do to improve the situation, to start organizing and

01:06:52.940 to start making a positive change?

01:06:56.680 So I would say that the biggest problem we have is the lack of time.

01:07:00.720 So yeah, the ideological pendulum is moving in our direction.

01:07:06.120 Woke is cringed.

01:07:06.940 Woke is over. 1.00

01:07:07.680 The new generation that comes now, the Sumas are way more right-wing. 0.97

01:07:11.160 But the problem is the Sumas already are in the minority. 0.99

01:07:14.600 So if we take away the boomers, we already are a multi-ethnic state, which is dominated 1.00

01:07:20.780 by an Islamic majority soon to come. 1.00

01:07:24.000 So that's the fact, at least for Germany, 1.00

01:07:25.960 for Belgium, for France, for Austria,

01:07:28.580 not so much for Italy.

01:07:29.620 I don't know the exact numbers for the UK,

01:07:32.340 but I think it's rather similar,

01:07:33.820 at least in the urban centers.

01:07:35.420 So whether we like it or not, 1.00

01:07:36.820 we need the boomers. 0.99

01:07:37.900 So we need their votes. 1.00

01:07:39.080 We need the resources.

01:07:40.640 And I think only if we can organize

01:07:43.020 the majority we still have right now

01:07:44.980 for the next 10, 15 years

01:07:46.480 until the boomers have passed, 0.99

01:07:49.460 We can reconquer our states, our institutions. 1.00

01:07:52.960 We can pull the lever, close the gates, start re-migration, and keep our civilization. 1.00

01:07:58.920 If we miss this one chance, these states get slipped out of a grasp and these states will turn into prisons for us. 0.99

01:08:05.360 Like South Africa has turned into a hostile prison for white people because the state will be ruled by an Islamo-communistic migration coalition together with big business against the last white people. 0.85

01:08:17.960 And then we only can create our own little communities like the Amish, like the Mormons, or maybe even flee those death zones and try to establish new colonies somewhere else. 0.90

01:08:26.540 So that's the big picture. 0.97

01:08:28.220 And that's why I think the biggest problem that we have is time pressure.

01:08:32.880 And that's why even more so we now have to come together and to organize the resources we have right now.

01:08:38.820 So what we need is more organization, more strategy.

01:08:41.860 So I would urge everybody who watches this video to consider his own life, the place

01:08:46.940 he is in life, what in the next 10 to 15 years will happen in his life, and then see how

01:08:52.500 he can contribute to this cause.

01:08:54.280 Maybe he can make an education to become more valuable.

01:08:56.800 Maybe he already has a valuable education, connections, resources, and money, and then

01:09:01.040 to see how he can contribute in media, in theory, in activism, in party politics, in

01:09:08.040 counterculture.

01:09:08.800 We need everybody.

01:09:09.320 And even if you don't have a skill on your own, you can still support other movements

01:09:14.060 financially with advice and with network.

01:09:16.560 So this mindset, I think, is the most important people have.

01:09:20.000 It's not somewhere in the future.

01:09:21.300 It's now.

01:09:22.180 And every day that's gone, every week that's gone, every year that's gone is lost.

01:09:25.640 It will never come back again.

01:09:27.200 And I've tried to also create a strategy.

01:09:30.840 I've written a book.

01:09:31.560 It's called Right-Wing Regime Change, where I also describe the five parts of the right-wing

01:09:36.120 movement.

01:09:36.480 and I think the most important thing

01:09:38.140 that everybody can do

01:09:38.920 is to really make an introspection

01:09:41.260 to see where are my talents

01:09:42.380 what can I do

01:09:43.100 and how can I contribute

01:09:44.240 to the cause right now

01:09:45.240 and how can I adjust my life

01:09:47.120 in the next 10 to 15 years

01:09:48.560 to give everything I have

01:09:49.980 to don't miss this last biggest chance

01:09:52.840 of a generation

01:09:53.920 to save this civilization

01:09:55.920 and to reconquer our own states

01:09:58.260 because I don't think it's the last

01:09:59.900 only the last chance

01:10:00.840 it's also the greatest chance ever

01:10:02.640 we ever had since the second world war

01:10:04.700 for real political and cultural change across Europe.

01:10:08.860 Certainly, and it will give people's lives a bit more meaning

01:10:11.800 if they're able to throw themselves into this

01:10:14.060 rather than just being the consumers, the mindless consumers

01:10:17.460 that globalism and modernity is trying to make us into.

01:10:22.020 So, Martin, what's the next steps for you?

01:10:25.000 Where can people find you and how can they support you right now?

01:10:29.160 Next step when I'm recording this video will be the remigration summit in Porto.

01:10:32.840 I don't know when it's broadcasted, but you're going to find all the speeches we gave there online.

01:10:38.840 And I'm in the process of setting up the Institute for Immigration, which will be an NRA-styled lobby, research, policy, think tank around the idea of remigration.

01:10:51.820 And also, I think when you're watching the videos already online, we're going to start a big project, a big initiative on the European level, a patriotic initiative.

01:11:01.740 where everybody also is invited to take part in.

01:11:06.360 And we want to unite with this, the whole re-migration movement,

01:11:09.480 the patriotic movement in Europe.

01:11:10.640 And you can find all of those links and all those necessary steps

01:11:13.400 on my X profile, Martin Sellner on X.

01:11:16.380 And there you find all the information to also get involved and get active.

01:11:20.700 Fantastic.

01:11:21.520 And please, if you're interested, it's well worth a read.

01:11:24.880 It's very interesting.

01:11:26.060 It's very German and Austria focused, but it has lots of information

01:11:30.860 and lots of strategies that can be applied outside of a German and Austrian perspective as well.

01:11:37.480 You can pick up Martin's newest book, Remigration,

01:11:41.160 in its first English translation from Passage Press and other reputable sales vendors online

01:11:49.320 as of the 26th of May, which will probably have already passed by the time that this video goes out.

01:11:56.020 So you'll be able to pick it up right now.

01:11:58.420 Martin, thank you very, very much for joining me.

01:12:01.260 I've really enjoyed this conversation.

01:12:04.240 Thank you, me too.

01:12:05.180 It was an amazing conversation.

01:12:06.920 Very deep questions, very amazing preparation.

01:12:10.780 You don't see this very often online,

01:12:12.520 so I would be happy to come back again.

01:12:14.920 And thank you also for preventing me from shilling from my own book.

01:12:18.000 Yeah, but buy it and read it.

01:12:20.080 That's all right.

01:12:20.880 I just try and do what little I can

01:12:23.660 so that I'm not wasting your time in the audiences.

01:12:26.620 so thank you to everyone who's joined us for this discussion take care and I hope you've taken

01:12:32.260 something useful from this that you can take put into your own life as well till next time we'll

01:12:37.040 see you then goodbye

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 04, 2026

Europe's Time Is Running Out ｜ Interview with Martin Sellner

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