The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - Everyone is Downstream of Restore Britain

00:00:00.000 Hi folks, welcome to another one of Carl and Dan's Political Chats.

00:00:03.740 Still no name for this series, but I'm happy with just Political Chats.

00:00:06.700 Today we're going to be talking about how the Blairite paradigm itself is quaking.

00:00:10.680 It has become apparent that actually there are things outside of that paradigm,

00:00:14.540 and those things are popular and are taking over,

00:00:16.940 and so frankly, they're coming out on the attack, but it's not working.

00:00:21.880 Yes, I mean, it's tough. We really do need to name this.

00:00:24.440 We have given you...

00:00:25.340 Political Chats is fine.

00:00:26.420 ...dozens of names at this point.

00:00:27.980 The thing is, when you name something, you put it in a box, and I don't want to put it in a box.

00:00:31.340 But anyway...

00:00:31.780 It's like the old demon thing. If it knows your name, it can control you.

00:00:35.120 Exactly.

00:00:35.460 Is that what you're worried about?

00:00:36.640 Yeah, no, well, I mean, what I've been thinking about lately is that...

00:00:39.840 Well, actually, Rupert put out a tweet, and it was,

00:00:42.520 I'm now giving the country a democratic route out.

00:00:46.860 And I've been pondering that. I mean, a lot of people picked up on it.

00:00:49.000 You retweeted that.

00:00:50.040 The thing that I've been thinking about is, well, look,

00:00:51.580 this country has only really ever had two ways of settling the issue of who rules.

00:00:58.620 One of which is, do what I say, or I'm going to kill you.

00:01:01.720 And the other is civil war.

00:01:03.460 Now, what happened in the 1800s is we basically civilised civil war,

00:01:07.480 and we decided to use a proxy, we decided to use democracy,

00:01:11.700 and it's ballots instead of bullets, but it's basically the same thing.

00:01:15.340 The larger side wins.

00:01:16.800 And that makes a lot of sense because it's a lot cheaper to do democracy

00:01:20.520 than it is to do civil war, and you don't push people into that situation.

00:01:25.460 It's also more bearable for the people themselves.

00:01:27.620 It is, it is.

00:01:29.060 You've got casualties.

00:01:29.720 And it stretches the time period because, you know,

00:01:32.600 losing an election is not losing a war.

00:01:35.040 Losing an election is losing a battle.

00:01:36.400 And you always think, okay, well, I can come back from this.

00:01:39.060 I can reverse it.

00:01:39.820 And so that kind of system is stable because even if you don't win,

00:01:43.820 there's always the hope the next generation will.

00:01:45.580 And so it's a kind of stable situation.

00:01:48.280 And what politicians starting in the late 90s decided to do is they decided to cheat on democracy.

00:01:53.760 They're going to use the institutions and law and demographic change

00:01:57.920 to demographically skew the country so that their side never loses.

00:02:03.340 And that takes away the core premise of making democracy work, which is the idea that it's reversible.

00:02:12.080 Because you can afford to lose an election, but you can't afford to lose your country.

00:02:15.540 And in doing this, in getting to the point of, and they're also rolling back on the other underlying metric,

00:02:25.320 which is moving from democracy to, okay, now it's not do what I say or I kill you.

00:02:29.300 Now it's do what I say or jail you or censor you or, you know, debank you or whatever it is.

00:02:35.660 But Rupert Lowe at this point, and I've been thinking this more and more and I'm more convinced of it,

00:02:41.160 it is the only way to stop politics from becoming, from crossing that existential threshold.

00:02:47.920 And putting people in the point of, well, if I don't act now, I lose everything forever

00:02:53.640 because the political process will not offer me any reversibility.

00:02:57.380 Because politics has become a ratchet.

00:03:00.560 It's going to have a permanent majority and a permanent minority.

00:03:04.180 And the people for who they don't have anywhere else to go,

00:03:07.220 being a permanent minority is not something that you can accept.

00:03:11.940 And it's not like we can expect clemency from the system either.

00:03:15.960 No.

00:03:16.480 If the system had shown itself to be even-handed,

00:03:19.140 maybe this wouldn't be such a desperate situation to be in.

00:03:22.520 Look at how they treat us now.

00:03:24.380 Is it going to get better when we're in the minority?

00:03:28.080 Exactly.

00:03:28.820 I don't think so.

00:03:30.980 So, the Blairite paradigm that is doing this to us can feel the change in the air.

00:03:37.340 And so, Restore is only 10, 11 days old now.

00:03:41.760 And it initially was, they have the completely stereotypical,

00:03:46.700 well, first they ignore you, then they laugh at you.

00:03:49.200 Then you win.

00:03:50.080 Right.

00:03:50.260 Well, we're currently in the, they're laughing at us phase, right?

00:03:54.220 It took a few, it took a week for them to actually decide,

00:03:57.220 yeah, we're going to start writing hit pieces again.

00:03:58.900 It feels a lot like that meme where they're laughing on the mask,

00:04:01.740 but underneath they're crying though.

00:04:03.300 It very much is that meme.

00:04:04.940 But here's an interview in Spiked Magazine of all places with Matt Goodwin,

00:04:10.800 where this is their, Tom Slater's editorial position,

00:04:15.220 as he's tweeted it out previously as well,

00:04:17.080 saying that Restore Britain is heading down an exclusionist road.

00:04:22.260 Goodwin says, quote,

00:04:23.120 its entire ecosystem is filled with the wrong kinds of people

00:04:26.080 who hold the wrong kinds of ideas.

00:04:28.640 People who are criticizing reform from the right

00:04:30.620 are an assortment of amateurs, egomaniacs,

00:04:33.340 zoomers with little political experience,

00:04:35.900 and inexperienced ideologues who don't really have any grip on political reality.

00:04:39.540 You could just call us a basket of deplorables as AA points.

00:04:42.560 What he's basically described there is the people

00:04:44.540 who've been quite deliberately shut out of the political process.

00:04:47.120 Correct.

00:04:48.240 But anyway, this is Matt Goodwin's opinion.

00:04:50.900 Then you've got the mainstream Tory opinion from Tim Stanley.

00:04:54.020 Now this, I don't think this was the original title on the article.

00:04:57.400 It was about how young men shouldn't go to Restore.

00:05:01.100 Stay with the Conservatives.

00:05:02.780 As you can see, the byline hasn't changed.

00:05:05.240 Restore Britain is not the answer.

00:05:06.520 It has become a magnet for angry young men with very short hair.

00:05:09.800 Right, so you're a Nazi.

00:05:11.720 You're a skinhead if you join Rupert Lowe and Restore.

00:05:16.140 Well, that's actually not my experience.

00:05:19.000 I have a lovely head of hair.

00:05:21.140 Everyone I know who supports Restore actually has a lovely head of hair,

00:05:24.320 weirdly enough.

00:05:24.880 But this is not them laughing at us.

00:05:27.780 This is them pleading.

00:05:29.080 This is them pleading with us.

00:05:30.240 Why are they pleading with us if we're derisory?

00:05:33.180 Well, I mean, listen to this, right?

00:05:35.000 He says, even if Restore somehow gains support for the next election,

00:05:38.380 it can only split the right-wing vote,

00:05:40.120 allowing, as in Gordon and Denton,

00:05:41.720 a campaign of tactical voting to elect a very left-wing coalition instead.

00:05:45.540 So you do recognize us as a power,

00:05:48.300 and you do recognize that we have electoral pull.

00:05:51.040 And now you've come to the bargaining stage.

00:05:53.540 But also, notice this, you're going to split the right-wing vote.

00:05:58.120 What?

00:05:58.440 No, no.

00:05:58.980 I don't need to say that for a moment.

00:06:00.360 Who got kicked out of reform?

00:06:01.720 Was it Nigel Farage who got kicked out of reform, or was it you?

00:06:04.860 Who did Nigel Farage say?

00:06:07.140 Richard Tice, we don't want anything to do with that lot.

00:06:10.000 Yes.

00:06:10.560 They're explicitly stated they don't want anything.

00:06:13.320 And in my case, it was because I advocated a policy

00:06:16.180 that was later in the reform manifesto,

00:06:18.080 but I did it earlier than Farage,

00:06:19.980 and he hadn't got there yet.

00:06:21.500 And therefore, that was what made me inexcusable.

00:06:25.580 That made me deplorable.

00:06:26.940 But Beau was exactly the same.

00:06:28.180 Beau was literally cited the manifesto.

00:06:30.200 Yes.

00:06:30.840 He got kicked out.

00:06:31.560 Yeah, but he did it too soon.

00:06:32.740 That's correct.

00:06:33.200 But I refute this idea that reform and restore are on the right.

00:06:38.600 There are three wings to our politics.

00:06:40.340 There's the yes, please, to civil war as soon as possible,

00:06:43.320 which is the Greens.

00:06:44.300 There's the centrists.

00:06:46.060 The Blairites.

00:06:46.820 The centre is Blairism.

00:06:48.540 That's what the centre is.

00:06:49.360 Yes.

00:06:49.640 It's Liberal Democrats, it's Labour, it's Tory, and it's reform.

00:06:52.940 Correct.

00:06:53.340 Now, I actually kind of admire the Greens more

00:06:56.060 because they've picked a side, and that side is Pakistan.

00:06:58.820 But fine, they've picked a side.

00:07:00.660 All those guys in the middle who try to split the difference,

00:07:02.720 they haven't picked a side, and they're thinking,

00:07:05.020 okay, we can get this grand coalition of Jews, Muslims, natives,

00:07:11.440 and they're all going to play nice together,

00:07:13.300 and there's going to be Hindus and Pakistanis,

00:07:15.760 and they're all going to play nice together and restore.

00:07:18.880 They have picked a side, a bit like the Greens,

00:07:20.740 except their side is the native Britons.

00:07:22.920 Yes.

00:07:23.420 That is not splitting the right.

00:07:25.040 The right is entirely united behind Rupert Lowe.

00:07:28.580 And it's remarkable.

00:07:29.840 And also, it's the single largest constituency.

00:07:33.520 For now.

00:07:34.000 For now, yeah.

00:07:34.920 Anyway, so, moving on,

00:07:37.380 you can see the Tory graph are bargaining in their position.

00:07:42.180 The spectator, again, well, no, not again, sorry,

00:07:45.360 that was the, who are the bloody spiked?

00:07:48.740 The spectator asking, what, how many right-wing parties do we really need?

00:07:52.200 I'll just answer that.

00:07:53.280 We've got one.

00:07:54.280 That's how many we need.

00:07:55.220 Exactly.

00:07:55.720 How many do we need?

00:07:56.380 One.

00:07:56.800 How many do we have before Rupert Lowe?

00:07:58.560 Zero.

00:07:59.240 Yes.

00:07:59.420 So, yes, finally, we have the right-wing party.

00:08:02.760 And this guy, this is what I mean about Blairism, right?

00:08:05.560 It's Blairism that really is what we are, we're calling the centre as if it's an independent

00:08:10.820 body.

00:08:11.520 But no, it's, are you in favour of the Blairite system?

00:08:14.000 Because, I mean, look at what he says here.

00:08:14.920 He says, look, as a right-wing voter, I quite like Farage Habib, Lowe and Bainlock.

00:08:18.460 They've all impressed me and they've also tested the strength of my patience.

00:08:21.840 The squabbling clouds the central issue.

00:08:24.180 The problem wasn't the system.

00:08:26.240 The problem was and is the wet end of the Conservative Party.

00:08:30.380 It's like, no, the problem is the system and it is facilitated by the wet end of the Conservative

00:08:35.760 Party.

00:08:36.220 So, whilst the system allows the wet end to even exist, well, they're downstream of the

00:08:43.200 system.

00:08:44.200 And we've just had the perfect case point of that, which is the Mandelson thing.

00:08:48.120 This whole centrist network works on a group of people who all know each other and all

00:08:54.500 owe each other's favours.

00:08:56.040 Even Farage begged up Mandelson.

00:08:57.560 Exactly, exactly.

00:09:00.120 And the system understood that Mandelson had those Epstein links before appointing him

00:09:05.040 US ambassador.

00:09:06.280 And it was judged that his ability to network and influence people within the system ranked

00:09:12.620 higher than a potential upset that might come later.

00:09:16.320 This is how the British government works.

00:09:17.980 Exactly.

00:09:18.420 And everyone, I mean, this is why Jenrick sent his speech to George Osborne to say, what

00:09:27.500 did you think of my speech?

00:09:28.820 George Osborne was part of Cameron's Blairite revolt inside the Conservative Party.

00:09:32.720 Yeah, but he's part of the network.

00:09:33.600 He's part of the network.

00:09:34.400 Exactly.

00:09:35.020 And it was him or Mandelson to be the ambassador to America.

00:09:40.120 You have to have been on that yacht party with that billionaire.

00:09:44.060 So, I'm sorry.

00:09:45.700 This is the Blairite system.

00:09:47.160 Both parties are captured and Farage is a part of it as well.

00:09:50.280 And so this, like you've got Anne Woodacombe here saying, oh, I've weighed up his manifesto.

00:09:54.520 Here's my honest verdict.

00:09:55.320 You know, Anne, I don't care.

00:09:56.740 I didn't ask for your opinion.

00:09:58.020 And I'm not even going to read it, right?

00:09:59.540 Let's move on.

00:10:01.080 As we see here, this is the Jenrick sending the speech to George Osborne.

00:10:08.260 But what was significant about Jenrick's speech, right?

00:10:10.960 What was significant about it is he said, nope, we're going to keep the OBR and we're going

00:10:14.100 to keep the Bank of England independent.

00:10:15.520 So, monetary policy and all the things that flow from it, which is everything social that

00:10:20.480 the government wants to do, is trapped on the Blairite plantation.

00:10:23.960 We are not going to interfere with the structure of the state.

00:10:26.280 We are not going to be abolishing the quangocracy.

00:10:28.420 We are not going to be reining in the Bank of England under ministerial control, keeping

00:10:31.960 it unaccountable.

00:10:32.720 We will not be undoing anything Tony Blair did.

00:10:37.100 Yep.

00:10:37.520 And just to close that loop, so Jenrick, who's in Reform, sends it to Osborne, who was a lifelong

00:10:45.180 Tory, who does a podcast with Ed Balls, who's in Labour.

00:10:49.480 It's an ecosystem.

00:10:51.600 It is.

00:10:52.320 Yeah.

00:10:52.360 You know, and literally, like, who's best mates with Alistair Campbell, and who does a podcast

00:10:57.420 with Roy Stewart.

00:10:58.400 And it's like, right, no, that's good.

00:10:59.620 The Blairite ecosphere is very visible.

00:11:03.260 It's interconnected.

00:11:04.640 It's like a fungal network.

00:11:06.280 Absolutely.

00:11:06.800 And the great thing about it is you can see who's on that and who's not.

00:11:09.940 I mean, like you said about the Greens, to their credit, they're not Blairites.

00:11:13.380 They're not part of that network.

00:11:14.780 No, they've picked a side.

00:11:15.680 Yeah, they've picked a side.

00:11:16.600 It's the insane evil side.

00:11:18.320 Yes.

00:11:18.480 But that's fine.

00:11:19.180 You need to have an enemy and a villain, right?

00:11:20.820 So that's totally fine.

00:11:22.680 Anyway, so you've got these, like, reformed boomerisms that are coming back to haunt them.

00:11:27.040 And it's just one of those things where, like I said, you can see who is in it and who

00:11:31.620 is not.

00:11:32.360 You've got, on the right there, Rupert Lowe saying, look, I think in seasons.

00:11:35.500 I think generationally.

00:11:37.300 I think what I'm going to hand down to future generations because of what I inherited.

00:11:42.140 And then on the other side, you've got on the left, you've got Richard

00:11:44.100 Tice going, well, I'll be long gone, so what difference does the demographics of the country

00:11:47.480 make to me?

00:11:48.380 It's like, no, that's the problem.

00:11:49.900 That's exactly the cleavage here.

00:11:51.800 The Blairites are happy to burn up the future and the inheritance of the country in order

00:11:56.120 to make sure they themselves are comfortable.

00:11:58.640 And those people on the right, outside of that, are the people who say, no, this is not

00:12:03.260 ours.

00:12:03.640 We hold it in trust for future generations.

00:12:06.000 Yeah.

00:12:06.160 And I'm always sure to make the distinction between the two types of boomers, the hard R

00:12:11.060 and the soft A.

00:12:11.700 But if you're a boomer, don't ever say, it doesn't matter because I'll be gone by then.

00:12:17.780 That is the worst thing you can say.

00:12:20.600 Absolutely.

00:12:21.040 But many of them don't.

00:12:22.260 Many of them, of course, have children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

00:12:25.460 Well, annoyingly, some of the ones with children say it as well.

00:12:28.080 Richard Tice.

00:12:28.900 Yeah.

00:12:29.560 Is one of those, apparently.

00:12:31.400 Doesn't care about what happens to his kids and anyone else's.

00:12:35.400 Anyway, so reform trying to signal, no, no, no.

00:12:38.180 Look, we've been consistent on these issues.

00:12:40.800 We'll watch a little bit of this because this is, it's interesting how he's copying right-wing

00:12:45.560 aesthetics as well.

00:12:46.460 Try to control non-EU migration if you have no control over EU migration.

00:12:53.480 We're saying let's freeze immigration.

00:12:56.200 So no more immigration.

00:12:57.140 No more immigration until we sort out the mess of who's here.

00:13:00.440 Calais and these areas are acting as a funnel for large-scale illegal immigration into Britain.

00:13:05.640 We need to send out the message to the world that illegal immigration into Britain won't

00:13:09.840 be tolerated.

00:13:10.760 Whether they're legal or illegal, you think there are too many, right?

00:13:14.300 Yes.

00:13:15.040 And we want to control our own borders and decide...

00:13:17.460 So you get the message.

00:13:18.560 It's not that Nigel Farage hasn't associated himself with right-wing talking points.

00:13:23.420 He absolutely has, and so they can cherry-pick a series of things from across the years with

00:13:28.680 Nigel saying immigration is too far, and he has.

00:13:31.960 But the problem is...

00:13:33.240 Well, just quickly on that.

00:13:34.340 I mean, it's like that film Inversion, where he's getting more based as you go back in

00:13:38.380 time.

00:13:39.020 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:40.260 No, no, absolutely.

00:13:41.600 I mean, he asked Enoch Powell to endorse him back when he was in the 90s.

00:13:45.040 Yeah.

00:13:45.640 But the problem is that Nigel has is you can just cherry-pick from the other side then.

00:13:49.700 When he decides, oh no, actually, I'm a weak libtard Blairite, right?

00:13:55.620 In the last 20 years, the white British population has declined from 87% to 74%.

00:14:03.020 Is that a concern of yours?

00:14:05.220 No.

00:14:05.960 Unless we are able to provide a proper democratic antidote to this, then I fear that we will

00:14:12.780 see a rise of a really worrying, dangerous form of extreme right ethno-nationalism.

00:14:20.600 I'm not going to start drawing ethnic lines on what being English is.

00:14:25.140 Otherwise, we'd be back to DNA tests on whether you're Anglo-Saxon.

00:14:28.060 I'm not going down that road.

00:14:29.880 It's about how you feel, and it's about what your priorities are.

00:14:33.420 That's what I'd say.

00:14:34.300 What are your priorities?

00:14:35.320 Israel is now in an existential fight for its very future.

00:14:42.040 Anyway, well, that carries on, but as you can see...

00:14:44.780 Very quickly, how does he mesh his view on trans women, which is you can't just decide

00:14:50.300 to be a woman, with his view on an English, which is you can just feel that you're English

00:14:54.940 and then that's enough?

00:14:56.400 I have no idea, and I've never heard him explain himself on that.

00:15:01.580 But the point that I'm making here is that you can just cherry-pick from both sides of

00:15:05.720 the aisle with Nigel Farage, because he is the right flank of the Blairite paradigm, right?

00:15:11.040 What he's saying there is, yes, no, I am worried about things that right-wingers are worried

00:15:15.340 about, but I am also committed to staying within the Blairite consensus, and so I can

00:15:19.780 never draw a hard distinction between them and us.

00:15:22.220 The Overton window is a big window.

00:15:25.360 And he's on the right.

00:15:26.060 And the sticker on that side says, vote for Reform UK.

00:15:29.620 The sticker on that side says, vote for the Labour Party, and the sticker in the middle

00:15:32.820 says, vote for Tories.

00:15:33.920 Correct.

00:15:34.260 But it's still that window.

00:15:36.340 You're still voting for that.

00:15:37.900 Correct.

00:15:38.900 And this is the problem.

00:15:40.420 He said so much on both sides, because he's weak.

00:15:42.500 And it's not just him either, it's the people he's brought in.

00:15:45.660 So you had Lania Cunningham on GB News the other day, saying that Restore are a neo-Nazi

00:15:51.980 party, which was just remarkable.

00:15:55.440 But that's rather ironic, because, of course, James O'Brien called her a neo-Nazi back in

00:16:00.720 November last year, literally like three months ago.

00:16:03.420 This is where we got to.

00:16:04.360 Everybody just calling everybody else Nazi all the time.

00:16:07.120 Now we get to be called Nazis by somebody wearing a turquoise rosa.

00:16:11.360 Exactly.

00:16:12.080 And very quickly on this, right?

00:16:13.780 She's Egyptian, OK?

00:16:15.060 Yes.

00:16:15.580 Well, in fact, that was exactly why she was being called a Nazi, because, of course...

00:16:19.860 What, for being Egyptian?

00:16:20.520 Yeah, no, no, for basically admitting that ethnic heritage is a real thing, obviously.

00:16:28.080 And this was one of the reasons that James O'Brien was calling her a Nazi, because she

00:16:31.660 was like, well, I'm not ethnically British, as she says here.

00:16:34.240 OK, but what is the policy in Egypt?

00:16:38.140 It is that you have to be an Egyptian of Egyptian heritage, which you can trace back to

00:16:44.360 before 1914.

00:16:46.740 That is the policy in Egypt.

00:16:48.360 She doesn't go on TV and call Egypt neo-Nazi all day long.

00:16:52.540 No, because that is just a perfectly not...

00:16:54.740 In fact, countries all around the world have policies like that.

00:16:57.680 The entire old world is based on just sanguineous, which is the right of the blood.

00:17:02.140 Whereas the countries in the new world are based on the right of the soil, as in, were

00:17:05.480 you born in this country?

00:17:06.460 Therefore, you're...

00:17:06.900 And that's because the new world was populated from the old world, and they need an incorporative

00:17:10.960 ideology.

00:17:11.880 We're an old world country.

00:17:13.380 Exactly.

00:17:13.940 I mean, if I had my way, we would have the Egyptian policy.

00:17:16.880 I probably wouldn't even go back as far as 1914.

00:17:19.600 We basically do.

00:17:20.740 We abolished the right of the soil in, I think it was 1980, which is why Kemi Badenock is

00:17:27.120 the last generation of anchor babies.

00:17:29.260 It was just after she got her anchor status, we abolished it.

00:17:33.820 I mean, I'd be happy with, you know, you can trace your heritage back to before the year

00:17:38.600 2000, let alone bloody 2014.

00:17:41.300 Yeah, 1914.

00:17:43.680 1914, yeah.

00:17:44.440 But the point is, you can see how this is kind of a sliding, rolling rock that goes

00:17:49.860 down a hill, right?

00:17:50.920 Oh, James O'Brien calls you a Nazi, you call us Nazis, and, you know, there's no one to

00:17:55.180 our right, so we're not going to call anyone Nazis.

00:17:57.420 But the point is, it's just a word that's being used to say, you're not in our club.

00:18:02.840 You're not in our paradigm.

00:18:04.240 No, those stinky people.

00:18:05.660 And the thing is, she got a lot of pushback on this, and she decided, no, I'm going to

00:18:09.280 double down on it.

00:18:09.940 She's double down on the thing, and you can see Peter Barnes here, he's a good lad.

00:18:13.880 And he was just like, well, I mean, to be honest with you, you are kind of wrong about

00:18:17.680 all this, aren't you?

00:18:19.500 He does look fed up there.

00:18:21.780 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:18:23.000 He's just like, he knows she's talking absolute BS, and he wasn't standing for it.

00:18:28.040 But anyway, this is interesting that GB News walked this back, because, of course, she was

00:18:33.200 on their show, she didn't walk it back, but they were like, yeah, no, we understand that

00:18:37.660 one of our guests called, can we play it?

00:18:41.480 On Tuesday on Jubes & Co., one of our panellists claimed a spokesperson for Restore Britain said

00:18:46.960 in a recent interview that if you are not white and Christian, then you are not deemed to be

00:18:51.020 British.

00:18:51.660 To clarify, the spokesperson actually said that Britishness relates to ancestry and the

00:18:55.980 Christian faith, amongst other things.

00:18:57.820 Restore Britain has said that its immigration policy has been mischaracterised.

00:19:01.920 They strongly object to the comparisons made by the panellists to neo-Nazism and said

00:19:06.920 wanting an immigration system that serves the British people is in no way neo-Nazi.

00:19:13.880 I mean, obviously, but the point is, good on GB News, honestly, for coming out and making

00:19:21.340 a correction.

00:19:22.240 It's not often that people do that, but...

00:19:25.720 They know where their viewer base is.

00:19:27.500 It's not...

00:19:27.840 It's different to their presenters.

00:19:29.400 Not just that.

00:19:29.980 Rupert Lowe is a team of lawyers.

00:19:31.920 So, he sent them a message on Twitter saying, right, you'll be hearing from my lawyers.

00:19:36.380 And they were like, yeah, good point.

00:19:37.300 We will be hearing from your lawyers.

00:19:38.720 Actually, we don't think you're neo-Nazis.

00:19:40.980 And this kind of thing does have consequences.

00:19:43.160 Because, I mean, like, Restore Britain are being censored on TikTok, for example, for being,

00:19:47.920 quote, a hate organisation.

00:19:50.040 A violent and hateful organisation.

00:19:51.240 It's just like, no, they're currently with the, what's the body that, yeah, no, no, the political

00:19:58.760 parties.

00:20:00.480 It's on the tip of my tongue.

00:20:02.560 The one that you register a political party with.

00:20:05.840 Oh, the electoral commission.

00:20:07.300 That's right.

00:20:07.820 Yeah.

00:20:08.340 Right.

00:20:08.520 They're currently with them, going through the motions.

00:20:10.780 They have an elected MP.

00:20:12.140 Like, this is not a hateful and violent organisation.

00:20:15.660 This is, in fact, designed to prevent hateful and violent organisations.

00:20:19.020 Anyway, but the point is, this kind of rhetoric has consequences.

00:20:22.920 And it's completely unacceptable.

00:20:24.680 And, in fact, this is what Farage was warning about in his speech.

00:20:28.400 We saw a bit of it earlier, with him saying, we will see a really worrying rise in a dangerous

00:20:33.180 form of ethno-nationalism.

00:20:34.360 But this, and we'll watch this, we saw a bit of it earlier, but we'll watch this, because

00:20:37.160 this is amazing, because he is just admitting to being the containment end of the right wing

00:20:41.500 of Blairism.

00:20:42.660 Unless we are able to provide a proper democratic antidote to this, then I fear that we will

00:20:49.820 see a rise of a really worrying, dangerous form of extreme right ethno-nationalism.

00:20:57.600 And I think we're beginning, over the last couple of weeks, already, to see some specimens

00:21:02.300 of it.

00:21:03.940 Nobody, nobody, over the last quarter of a century has done more to defeat the genuine, intolerant,

00:21:10.940 abhorrent, extreme far right than me.

00:21:13.600 We did it with the British National Party, and we'll do it with whoever else follows.

00:21:18.040 But it's important we get a grip on this, because there is no issue, other than legal

00:21:25.480 and illegal immigration, that has broken the bond of trust between the voters and those

00:21:31.640 that govern us, more than this issue.

00:21:35.120 And I have said this.

00:21:36.060 Not really, Nigel.

00:21:37.740 Yes, the illegal immigration is an issue, but it's the millions of legal immigration.

00:21:42.400 Well, he did say illegal and legal.

00:21:43.980 Oh, OK.

00:21:44.340 So he did say both.

00:21:44.960 But look at that, look at his primary concern.

00:21:48.660 It's not that the British have lost their major cities, the British have lost their capital

00:21:53.060 city.

00:21:53.680 The British are literally...

00:21:55.280 It's that they might notice and get annoyed.

00:21:56.820 It's that the bond of trust has been broken.

00:21:59.080 So if that had been done in a lawful, organised, organic way...

00:22:03.560 If it had better PR.

00:22:05.260 If it had better PR, and the British people had somehow been persuaded to be on board with

00:22:11.540 this kind of demographic replacement, it would have been fine.

00:22:13.740 So this trimes to me.

00:22:14.640 I mean, I've mentioned before, I had dinner with him maybe 20 years ago or something like

00:22:17.440 that.

00:22:17.780 And most of what he talked about, apart from the bit where various offers were made by

00:22:23.520 the Tory party in between him and backroom dealings and stuff like that.

00:22:27.520 The main thing he wanted to talk about was that his lifelong mission was to prevent the

00:22:32.300 rise of a British Mussolini.

00:22:35.220 Right, OK.

00:22:36.120 That is...

00:22:36.740 I mean, 20 years ago, he would bang on in private about that.

00:22:41.520 I mean, I'm not worried about British Mussolini.

00:22:43.900 Well, and quite clearly, Rupert Lowe is not a Mussolini figure.

00:22:48.960 Rupert Lowe is a farmer who's noticed that young men are getting screwed over and wants

00:22:54.780 to help them out so that we don't get into a worse situation.

00:22:58.260 Oh, yeah.

00:22:58.560 Rupert Lowe is much more similar to a 19th century war leader of the British Empire.

00:23:03.960 He's much more similar to the Duke of Wales.

00:23:05.440 Well, he's just standard British aristocracy that gave this country the best rule it had

00:23:09.900 ever had.

00:23:10.420 That died in their droves in the fields of Flanders and whatever in 1917.

00:23:15.080 Like, it just...

00:23:16.140 Yeah, he is absolutely in that mould.

00:23:19.000 So, talking about a British Mussolini, is that, OK, well, that's great, but there's not

00:23:21.640 one on the horizon.

00:23:22.380 Thank God we've got a 19th century aristocrat left over.

00:23:25.980 You know, we needed some of these.

00:23:27.660 Thank God we fucking found one.

00:23:28.940 Yeah, found one down the back of the sofa.

00:23:30.400 Thank goodness.

00:23:31.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:31.760 And so...

00:23:32.560 But notice how he's saying here.

00:23:33.900 It's like, look, I'm here to save you.

00:23:36.580 I'm here to save the Blairite paradigm from its own excesses.

00:23:40.180 Yeah, you're right, he's not talking to us, he's talking to the Blairites.

00:23:42.520 Exactly, he's talking to the Blairites.

00:23:43.960 He's like, look, he's appealing to the media, he's appealing to Labour, he sounds like, you

00:23:47.580 know, the Tories and Starmer, he's saying, no, I'm here to save you from yourselves trying

00:23:51.600 to destroy the British people.

00:23:52.740 You're meant to do that more subtly, you're meant to make sure that they didn't object,

00:23:56.120 but look, the bond of trust is gone, so you've messed up in the project I agree with

00:24:00.140 you in.

00:24:01.080 And so here we are at the tail end of Blairism, with Farage and his party calling everyone

00:24:05.500 Nazis and being proud of his role as the final boss of containment.

00:24:10.880 And it's like, sorry, I'm just not for this.

00:24:13.560 I'm just not for this.

00:24:15.340 And Farage has a real problem, as you can see here.

00:24:18.120 Nobody voted for the Boris wave.

00:24:20.160 Hello, community notes.

00:24:21.720 Five out of the eight current reform MPs were Conservative MPs under Boris Johnson, and some

00:24:28.360 of them did vote for his immigration policies.

00:24:30.500 Generic was the immigration minister.

00:24:33.220 You can't speak from the right anymore, Nigel.

00:24:36.820 You have manoeuvred yourself into a position where you cannot authentically make that argument

00:24:42.820 because you've just declared, I am the containment, and therefore.

00:24:48.000 That is a proper bodying from the community notes there.

00:24:50.840 God, I so love community notes, right?

00:24:54.100 And the thing is, you can't stop the signal.

00:24:57.020 I did a stream the other day saying nativism is inevitable, because I just think it's inevitable

00:25:00.560 that, as you said, and we've talked about many times on this particular show, the centre

00:25:05.120 is in collapse, and the right and the left are actually on the rise.

00:25:08.780 Now, you know, whether you agree with the left or the right is irrelevant.

00:25:12.580 Nativism on the right is coming up, and insane communism on the left is also coming up.

00:25:18.220 I mean, that centre has been there for a long time.

00:25:20.520 But the right and the left flanks, they're crystallising now.

00:25:23.100 And this is the last stage before the democratic option is off the table.

00:25:30.180 Exactly.

00:25:30.760 Because democracy is a proxy for civil war.

00:25:34.560 Correct.

00:25:35.280 All political activity ultimately deals in the management of power.

00:25:39.460 Yes.

00:25:39.660 And this is why Carl von Clausewitz was like, well, war is just politics by other means.

00:25:43.500 Like, there's still the political ideas and decisions that are being settled with the war.

00:25:49.860 And democracy is a great way of doing it.

00:25:51.640 I'm totally for democracy, just by the way.

00:25:53.560 The problem is they forgot.

00:25:55.460 The problem is we don't have a democracy.

00:25:57.040 The problem is they forgot the purpose that democracy was serving.

00:26:00.720 Yes.

00:26:01.060 And it morphed from this, we do this so we don't have to do the other thing.

00:26:05.820 Yes.

00:26:06.140 And it morphed into, it's like the transition.

00:26:08.860 I don't want to be mean to mums or anything, but I bet every dad has noticed this.

00:26:14.580 She'd be pleading with the kids to do something, and the kids are not having it.

00:26:19.440 And you walk in as a dad, and you're like, you're doing it, and they do it.

00:26:23.000 Yes.

00:26:23.400 Because there is, it's not that I beat my kids.

00:26:26.220 It's just they don't want to find out what happens when they refuse whatever it is.

00:26:30.860 And our government has been, has shifted from, and they're trying to get back to, you know,

00:26:37.420 I talked earlier about the, it used to be do what I say or I kill you under the king model.

00:26:42.900 Right.

00:26:43.180 They're trying to get back to that, but doing it in the most feminine hodler management way possible

00:26:49.200 without the understanding of the credible force that's required to do that.

00:26:55.520 And they are skating on thin ice.

00:26:58.120 100%.

00:26:58.680 And this, this is a fundamental problem is that obviously at this point, everyone knows that,

00:27:06.300 you know what, I'm, I'm just going to go for it.

00:27:08.460 Containment has been broken.

00:27:09.740 Right.

00:27:10.720 And this is why Nigel Farage is coming out and look at his face.

00:27:13.460 I mean, he looks so desperate.

00:27:14.800 You know, I'm here to prevent any genuine nativism in the British political system.

00:27:19.320 It's like, okay, again, I'm not for that.

00:27:21.620 But like I said, we're breaking containment, right?

00:27:23.860 Obviously, Duncan Ballantyne the other day came out and retweeted Steve Laws.

00:27:27.380 It's like, yeah, okay, I think, I think this is going outside of containment here.

00:27:31.720 But then, I mean, first of all, well, well done, Duncan Ballantyne for starting at Laws.

00:27:38.260 No, he didn't, he didn't get, most of us went through a libertarian phase.

00:27:43.000 Elon was retweeting me, right?

00:27:44.400 So it's just like, you know, I'm, I'm a lot more moderate than some of the people.

00:27:47.780 But no, Duncan Ballantyne, he starts with Steve Laws.

00:27:50.540 Yeah.

00:27:50.700 Well, John Cleese is on millennial woes.

00:27:58.100 Like, who could have predicted this?

00:28:00.500 If I'd gone back five years and said, by the way, John Cleese is going to be retweeting millennial woes in 2026.

00:28:06.660 John Cleese is retweeting millennial woes.

00:28:09.040 Yeah.

00:28:09.380 And millennial woes was tweeting a David Attenborough quote.

00:28:12.740 It's very easy, as we all know, to be very tolerant of minorities until they become majorities and you find yourself a minority.

00:28:17.520 It's easy to say, oh, yes, these lovely people.

00:28:18.960 I love the way they wear such interesting costumes.

00:28:21.000 That's fine until someday you find they're actually telling you what to do.

00:28:23.280 And they've actually taken over the town council.

00:28:25.300 And what you thought was your home isn't, which is, of course, what has happened to us.

00:28:29.420 So John Cleese being like, well, that's not controversial.

00:28:33.860 It's like, it's not controversial.

00:28:34.900 I mean, we're seeing it in Minnesota.

00:28:36.180 Yeah, but you just, you just knew to shut up about that for basically the last 30 years.

00:28:40.180 Well, John Cleese has come out very favorably and restores it for a store.

00:28:44.340 So what I like about this as well, you've seen the 4chan text, which is, you know,

00:28:49.240 and in fact, here it is, it's literally below, right?

00:28:51.740 It's literally below.

00:28:52.840 But look at, look at this.

00:28:54.560 He was a progressive liberal degenerate comedian in the 1960s,

00:28:57.440 uber white, uber polite Briton that could take the piss out of the people

00:29:00.460 he saw as uptight and repressed while enjoying the clean, safe streets

00:29:02.980 and quite little hamlets of their same uptight, repressed, polite to a fault,

00:29:06.080 helpful white Christian Anglos.

00:29:08.020 The best part was that those same conservative British Anglos

00:29:11.540 were generally pretty humorous about themselves.

00:29:13.720 So when you made fun of them, they laughed along with you and shook your head,

00:29:17.000 said, ha ha, you know, Margie, he's got a point.

00:29:18.820 It was heaven on earth for him to be a popular counterculture icon

00:29:22.020 beloved by conservatives and liberals alike for being hilarious,

00:29:25.440 but also enjoy the benefits of a strong, stable, homogenous culture.

00:29:28.200 Now he's an old man staring at the desolate wasteland where London is majority

00:29:31.000 non-white and everyone is suspicious.

00:29:32.700 The hamlets and villages are economic dead zones.

00:29:34.560 Every week there's a new group you're not allowed to make fun of.

00:29:37.200 No one has a sense of humor anymore, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:29:39.500 Yes, totally true.

00:29:41.860 But what has just happened?

00:29:43.800 Rupert Lowe, right?

00:29:45.740 John Cleese was like, yeah, this old sort of Victorian aristocracy,

00:29:48.760 the stuffy thing, I'm going to mock this, mock this, mock this, collapses.

00:29:52.460 Rupert Lowe comes out and says, no, I'm bringing that back.

00:29:54.520 And John Cleese's like, yes, sir.

00:29:55.880 I'm exactly in line.

00:29:57.060 Clicks his heels and is instantly on board.

00:29:59.460 Yeah, he saw something that he hasn't seen since his youth

00:30:03.540 and was like, that was better.

00:30:05.900 I want that.

00:30:07.780 Basically, I undo everything I've done.

00:30:09.660 And he's been defending Christianity in his Twitter time as well recently.

00:30:12.840 I mean, this was the guy who made a film mocking Jesus for 198 minutes.

00:30:17.380 Well, he would argue he wasn't mocking Jesus.

00:30:19.440 Well, he clearly bloody was.

00:30:21.300 Sure.

00:30:21.840 But the point is, like, you thought, oh, well, we can just, you know,

00:30:26.320 it's the 60s, we can just make fun of the systems around us

00:30:29.240 and invalidate their moral legitimacy in the minds of the public.

00:30:33.640 But the bulk would was up in the 1960s.

00:30:37.320 Exactly.

00:30:38.100 And now you look back and you go, right, okay,

00:30:41.860 actually those structures, those moral social structures

00:30:45.620 were there for a reason.

00:30:46.700 And as soon as Rupert Lowe comes back and says,

00:30:48.400 I'm going to restore these, you're just like, yes, that's my guy.

00:30:51.220 It's like even John Cleese is on the Lowe train.

00:30:54.640 Anyway, Nigel is a blood and soil nationalist, though.

00:30:59.220 Just for the Chagosians.

00:31:01.560 No.

00:31:02.820 This is him.

00:31:05.400 He went to the Chagos Islands, remember?

00:31:07.580 And this is him taking a video there saying,

00:31:09.780 look, this is an emotional moment for the Chagosians.

00:31:12.560 They visit the graves of their forebears.

00:31:14.460 These people deserve a future.

00:31:16.000 Can't say that about the British.

00:31:17.560 He can define what a Chagosian is because they are people who occupy a land,

00:31:21.860 they have a lineage there, and that's theirs and not someone else's,

00:31:25.220 but not for the English.

00:31:26.380 So let's just run this back a little bit to when he was comparing himself

00:31:29.560 to one of those switch-style TVs from the 1960s,

00:31:33.220 and he's saying he's been consistent at all times.

00:31:37.020 He has explained not so long ago that the definition of English is

00:31:43.000 if you have lived in England for more than five years.

00:31:45.300 No, that was Wales.

00:31:46.240 Wales.

00:31:46.440 You're Welsh if you've lived in Wales for more than five years.

00:31:48.380 Yes.

00:31:49.200 You're English if you just feel like it.

00:31:50.840 Well, yes, but my point is the vast majority of the Chagosians

00:31:54.760 don't live in Chagos.

00:31:56.140 They live in London.

00:31:56.920 Right.

00:31:57.820 And most of them have been living there for more than five years.

00:32:00.240 I guess they're London.

00:32:01.100 So why aren't they English or Welsh now?

00:32:04.080 So how does it work one way but not the other way?

00:32:07.240 Great question.

00:32:08.120 But that's the point I'm trying to highlight here,

00:32:11.080 which is this barrier between the right side of the Blairite paradigm

00:32:15.420 and a truly nativist force isn't going to sustain itself

00:32:19.500 because it's inherently contradictory.

00:32:21.740 They will not be able to keep this upright

00:32:24.700 because at this point it's too clear that there are people here

00:32:28.120 who are not from here, who shouldn't be here,

00:32:31.360 and are not part of our communities.

00:32:32.680 They haven't integrated them into married.

00:32:34.800 They're not like...

00:32:35.420 Because, I mean, I don't know about you,

00:32:36.560 but everyone of our age remembers that in any village in England,

00:32:41.000 you would have found like a Chinese shop, right?

00:32:42.900 A Chinese takeaway, right?

00:32:44.320 There was like one Chinese family or one Indian takeaway family.

00:32:47.540 And that's fine.

00:32:48.620 And, you know, on a Friday night you've had a long week.

00:32:51.040 You get a Chinese, you get an Indian, whatever it is.

00:32:53.220 And you were completely accepting of them

00:32:54.860 because you knew why they were there.

00:32:56.300 They were there with a purpose.

00:32:57.760 There was only one of them.

00:32:59.040 So, like, the village was 99%, you know, English.

00:33:02.220 But there was, you know, the odd occasional foreign family

00:33:04.620 and everyone was just like, that's totally fine.

00:33:06.220 They're actually contributing something to the community.

00:33:07.880 I like having a Chinese on a Friday night, right?

00:33:09.900 So they're totally fine.

00:33:11.280 No one was racist to them.

00:33:12.360 No one was mean to them.

00:33:13.500 It was totally normal.

00:33:14.320 Well, that's not what's happening now.

00:33:16.640 That's absolutely not what's happening now.

00:33:18.980 No, they're coming over and getting a new BMW every three years

00:33:21.580 because they're scamming the benefit system.

00:33:23.420 I mean, it is fundamentally different.

00:33:25.260 I mean, you walk past some of the, you know,

00:33:27.820 Turkish barbers and nail shops and stuff.

00:33:30.200 And you see some of the incredible cars they have parked out back.

00:33:33.380 And you're just like, how do you?

00:33:35.200 I mean, for whatever size the barbershop is,

00:33:38.780 they've got triple the linear frontage of premium German auto out there,

00:33:43.040 which is probably worth as much as the shop when you add them all up.

00:33:45.860 Oh, yeah.

00:33:46.520 Oh, yeah.

00:33:46.820 The car's going to be like 40 grand.

00:33:48.400 That's literally going to be three years rent.

00:33:49.020 And there's like three or four of them.

00:33:50.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:51.160 It's mental.

00:33:52.360 Anyway, so I put up this post just saying, look,

00:33:54.520 I don't think we should use the term ethno-nationalist.

00:33:56.760 And we shouldn't let the people who are opposed to us

00:33:59.060 characterize us as ethno-nationalist.

00:34:00.540 Because fundamentally, it's a liberal fiction, right?

00:34:04.420 Ethnos and natio are just Greek and Latin words that mean the same thing, right?

00:34:09.120 Ethno-nationalist, and they mean the ethnos, the people, right?

00:34:12.920 They mean the people.

00:34:14.500 And so ethno-nationalism is just nationalism, right?

00:34:17.700 And that's fine if you...

00:34:19.340 Yes, I suppose it's a way to have more than one nationalism, isn't it?

00:34:23.420 Well, it's not even a different word.

00:34:25.460 It's just the same word in a different language.

00:34:27.440 Well, the civic nationalists wanted a way to say,

00:34:31.180 how can we have infinite Bermalians here,

00:34:35.120 but as long as the structures of government don't change,

00:34:39.940 nothing's changed.

00:34:40.960 And that's why civic nationalism was invented.

00:34:42.940 Correct.

00:34:43.300 Whereas we didn't need a word of ethno-nationalism before that.

00:34:46.060 It only exists because civic nationalists came along.

00:34:48.900 Correct.

00:34:49.440 It is a liberal invention.

00:34:51.560 It was invented, I think it was 1959,

00:34:53.100 by liberals to open up a space between the nation,

00:34:57.440 the people, and their own traditions.

00:35:00.200 It's to open up a space.

00:35:01.480 Say, no, no, we're for the traditions,

00:35:03.200 the political traditions, the cultural traditions.

00:35:05.980 They're separate to you, the people, somehow.

00:35:08.540 Okay, that is cleverly subversive.

00:35:10.420 It is very subversive.

00:35:12.020 And I'm sorry, I reject it entirely.

00:35:14.840 Right.

00:35:14.960 I'm, you know, I'm personally not a nationalist

00:35:17.580 because for philosophical, autistic reasons,

00:35:20.820 but if you're going to, if you're a nationalist,

00:35:23.720 just call yourself a nationalist, right?

00:35:25.420 But I mean, I personally am just a traditional Englishman,

00:35:28.060 so I just call myself a nativist.

00:35:29.640 As in, I'm for our group, but not the only group.

00:35:32.800 I'm like, as I point in here,

00:35:34.900 nativism's core claim is that our country is for us first,

00:35:38.840 and we have a right to maintain our demographic security in it.

00:35:41.300 Whereas, the way that the left and Blairite types

00:35:46.240 are using ethno-nationalism is essentially Hitlerism, right?

00:35:49.420 And it's like, no, I'm not for Hitlerism,

00:35:51.460 and I'm not going to be called a Nazi

00:35:53.560 because I think that British people

00:35:56.040 have the primary claim to Britain.

00:35:58.400 I'm not going to be called a Nazi for that, right?

00:36:00.480 It's obviously fake.

00:36:01.680 And what you're doing with the term ethno-nationalism

00:36:03.440 is trying to peel off our own traditions from us

00:36:05.900 and say we, and what they're saying is

00:36:07.900 the Blairites own those, that's British values, right?

00:36:10.700 That's peeled off from the British people.

00:36:12.740 It's like, no, I'm not having that.

00:36:14.020 Not having that.

00:36:14.400 It's that scene in HBO's Rome

00:36:16.820 where somebody says to him,

00:36:19.120 under Roman law, and Caesar shouts back,

00:36:22.400 is there any other kind?

00:36:23.820 Yeah.

00:36:24.080 It's what you're doing here.

00:36:25.360 You're saying, is there any other kind of nationalism?

00:36:28.620 Well, exactly.

00:36:29.460 And so I'm just going to call myself a nativist.

00:36:32.680 I think that's a perfectly acceptable,

00:36:34.740 it may be considered lowbrow, but I don't care.

00:36:36.960 Because I think the core claim of nativism,

00:36:39.400 whenever it's used,

00:36:40.200 is that the country is for the native people

00:36:42.520 of the country first.

00:36:43.560 If I wanted to make it slightly more highbrow,

00:36:45.740 I'd probably say something like native sovereignty.

00:36:47.780 And the reason I'm doing that

00:36:48.720 is because what I'm smuggling in there

00:36:50.480 is the sovereignty debate has already been had and won.

00:36:53.660 Yes.

00:36:53.920 So what I'm effectively trying to do

00:36:56.320 is rather than say buy this diet drink,

00:37:00.420 I'm saying diet Coke.

00:37:03.120 Yeah.

00:37:03.300 People are already sold on Coke.

00:37:06.160 Diet Coke is an easier sell,

00:37:08.060 so native sovereignty.

00:37:10.180 And that's fine.

00:37:10.940 It doesn't really matter exactly.

00:37:13.260 I mean, you can characterize it however you like after that.

00:37:15.380 But the point is,

00:37:16.280 it roots the discussion and the dialectic

00:37:18.980 in the people they are trying to steal

00:37:21.620 the culture and traditions from.

00:37:23.420 Well, I think what you're driving at ultimately

00:37:25.940 is if you can move the battleground

00:37:30.040 to fighting about do the natives have a right

00:37:33.900 to the country of which they are native,

00:37:36.580 that is basically an automatic win.

00:37:39.220 Correct.

00:37:40.040 And the civic nationalist,

00:37:42.540 which is not a nationalist perspective at all.

00:37:44.620 No, it's a globalist.

00:37:45.200 Because once you've taken the civic life

00:37:49.540 and you've extracted it into a set of doctrines,

00:37:51.980 what you have is an ideology.

00:37:53.260 And anyone can pick up an ideology.

00:37:54.900 Civic nationalism is just a form of globalism

00:37:57.040 to say, well, we have it in this colour or this flavour

00:38:00.200 or that flavour or the other flavour.

00:38:01.940 And it's like, well,

00:38:02.660 I'm not interested in eating at that buffet at all.

00:38:04.960 Right?

00:38:05.200 I'll have what's mine

00:38:06.540 and what I inherit from the past

00:38:08.200 that you can't take away from me.

00:38:11.120 And actually,

00:38:11.860 even a lot of people who are not natives,

00:38:14.260 they've understood this.

00:38:15.380 Oh, they're completely for it.

00:38:16.460 John Wong is one of our strongest soldiers.

00:38:18.400 Yes.

00:38:18.680 Because his dad served in the military

00:38:20.340 and as part of being able,

00:38:22.660 part of the reward for serving the British Empire,

00:38:25.060 he was allowed to come and settle.

00:38:26.180 And so his son's completely like,

00:38:27.780 no, Britain for the British.

00:38:28.900 But I mean,

00:38:29.400 if,

00:38:29.900 and me and the wife,

00:38:31.000 as I mentioned,

00:38:31.560 have often talked about in our retirement,

00:38:33.080 do we go somewhere hot?

00:38:34.120 I don't know,

00:38:34.620 bloody Spain or Thailand or Maldives

00:38:37.920 or something like that.

00:38:39.400 Wherever we go,

00:38:40.960 we want to remain that thing.

00:38:43.900 We don't want to get there.

00:38:45.020 And then after 10 years,

00:38:45.960 suddenly find that it's an outshoot of Pakistan.

00:38:49.160 This is why I'm not very sympathetic

00:38:50.280 to the Brits in Spain.

00:38:51.880 You're not integrating.

00:38:53.360 And if the Spanish don't like it,

00:38:54.640 then the Spanish don't like it.

00:38:55.860 Yeah,

00:38:56.000 but are the British retirees

00:38:57.780 trying to exercise political power in Spain?

00:38:59.640 Of course not.

00:39:00.020 But the point is still,

00:39:01.900 if,

00:39:02.280 you know,

00:39:02.780 300,000 Brits are retired in Spain or something,

00:39:05.600 that's a demographically distorting force.

00:39:09.280 Luckily,

00:39:09.900 they're not like,

00:39:10.860 you know,

00:39:11.120 economic burdens or anything.

00:39:12.720 But the point is,

00:39:14.000 that's still,

00:39:14.520 you know,

00:39:14.740 entire towns will end up

00:39:15.780 English-speaking towns.

00:39:17.400 And if I was Spanish,

00:39:18.300 I'd be annoyed with it.

00:39:18.920 Yeah,

00:39:19.100 I can see that.

00:39:19.600 I mean,

00:39:19.900 they're not reproducing

00:39:21.520 and they're not a drain on the economy

00:39:24.040 and they shouldn't be voting.

00:39:25.320 I don't know if they do vote or not,

00:39:26.540 but they shouldn't be.

00:39:28.280 And I agree.

00:39:29.060 It's not the same,

00:39:29.960 right?

00:39:30.100 It's not the same.

00:39:30.700 Obviously,

00:39:30.940 the Brits in Spain,

00:39:31.980 you know,

00:39:32.720 you probably couldn't ask

00:39:33.740 for a better class of immigrant,

00:39:35.300 right?

00:39:35.780 Yes.

00:39:36.020 But still,

00:39:37.700 if I'm Spanish,

00:39:39.200 I'm like,

00:39:40.000 well,

00:39:40.280 hang on a second.

00:39:41.080 I'm,

00:39:41.500 you know,

00:39:41.760 why aren't you learning any Spanish?

00:39:43.380 You know,

00:39:43.760 come on.

00:39:44.460 You know,

00:39:44.900 anyway.

00:39:45.880 So the point being,

00:39:47.440 what I like about this perspective as well

00:39:49.520 is that it doesn't have the hard edge

00:39:51.400 that ethno-nationalism,

00:39:53.140 blah,

00:39:53.300 blah,

00:39:53.420 blah,

00:39:53.560 has,

00:39:54.900 which is,

00:39:55.880 it's categorical.

00:39:57.200 And this is what I was explaining

00:39:57.860 to Andrew Goldner's podcast,

00:39:59.280 right?

00:39:59.480 When you put things purely in categories

00:40:02.100 rather than talking about the bundles of relations

00:40:03.960 that make things actually connected

00:40:06.720 in the real world,

00:40:08.200 what you do with the category

00:40:09.340 is ascribe a bunch of things

00:40:10.820 that aren't actually connected.

00:40:12.920 So for example,

00:40:13.800 you might say white

00:40:15.000 is the ethno-nationalist category.

00:40:17.900 So,

00:40:18.080 okay,

00:40:18.260 that means,

00:40:18.840 that means Eastern Europeans,

00:40:20.520 right?

00:40:20.680 That means French.

00:40:21.760 That means German.

00:40:22.580 Yeah,

00:40:22.740 fair point.

00:40:23.100 That means,

00:40:23.440 you know,

00:40:23.660 all of these things are not connected.

00:40:25.500 And,

00:40:25.840 you know,

00:40:26.000 that also means they're just as from Bradford

00:40:28.940 as people from Bradford.

00:40:29.920 It's like,

00:40:30.180 no,

00:40:30.940 that's not true.

00:40:31.780 They're not connected.

00:40:32.800 But if I talk about England,

00:40:33.960 Irish or Welsh or Scottish,

00:40:36.380 then what I'm talking about

00:40:37.360 is the people

00:40:38.260 who are themselves a family,

00:40:40.760 a large extended family

00:40:42.220 that all related and connected

00:40:43.900 and they occupy a place

00:40:45.400 to which they are related.

00:40:47.060 And this is the community.

00:40:48.300 This is what an actual community is.

00:40:50.200 And this exists

00:40:51.340 and travels through time,

00:40:52.960 rooted in a place,

00:40:54.200 carrying a series of traditions

00:40:55.440 with demonstrable,

00:40:57.320 denotable people

00:40:58.120 who are actually connected.

00:40:59.740 That's what I think is the way

00:41:01.880 that the general public

00:41:03.240 actually think of these things.

00:41:04.860 Well,

00:41:04.980 I mean,

00:41:05.140 there is a reason,

00:41:05.760 I think,

00:41:06.100 why 70% of the

00:41:07.520 Restored Britain memes

00:41:08.440 that I've seen

00:41:09.040 have been based on

00:41:10.680 Lord of the Rings,

00:41:11.700 The Shire.

00:41:12.200 Correct.

00:41:13.340 Absolutely correct.

00:41:14.340 And,

00:41:14.920 but what this also does

00:41:15.820 is it means that,

00:41:16.420 yes,

00:41:16.640 you can,

00:41:17.440 I mean,

00:41:17.660 Rupert Lowe said this,

00:41:18.440 you know,

00:41:18.580 of course we're going to make it easier

00:41:19.980 if you get a foreign spouse visa.

00:41:21.660 Because for some reason

00:41:22.440 at the moment,

00:41:22.860 it's really difficult.

00:41:23.960 Yeah.

00:41:24.280 It's really weird.

00:41:25.320 It's like,

00:41:25.720 no,

00:41:25.840 if you marry a woman

00:41:26.620 from overseas,

00:41:27.260 whatever,

00:41:27.420 yeah,

00:41:27.580 okay,

00:41:28.000 she can come here,

00:41:28.660 obviously.

00:41:29.300 Yes.

00:41:29.540 Because you're married to her,

00:41:30.400 she's your wife.

00:41:31.460 Yes.

00:41:31.700 It's a relationship

00:41:32.540 that takes precedent.

00:41:33.680 But in the,

00:41:34.360 in the minds of our current

00:41:35.960 establishment,

00:41:36.980 it's the category.

00:41:37.580 I sat in a taxi

00:41:38.900 not so long ago

00:41:39.720 and this guy had married

00:41:40.820 a foreign woman

00:41:41.560 and he had spent like

00:41:43.800 10 years trying to get

00:41:44.600 into the country

00:41:45.080 and he couldn't.

00:41:45.900 I've heard loads of stuff.

00:41:46.580 And I was like,

00:41:47.720 that can't be true.

00:41:48.720 We,

00:41:48.960 we let,

00:41:49.520 we let in a million people

00:41:50.880 a year

00:41:51.440 and,

00:41:52.820 and,

00:41:53.380 and this guy,

00:41:54.300 I mean,

00:41:54.520 he was earning good money.

00:41:56.200 Yeah.

00:41:56.760 Yeah.

00:41:57.040 And,

00:41:57.220 and he would clearly,

00:41:57.960 as if that matters

00:41:58.680 to the state.

00:42:00.260 And I just couldn't believe it

00:42:01.620 and I checked afterwards

00:42:02.440 and it's true.

00:42:03.160 Yeah.

00:42:03.300 You can't get foreign wives in.

00:42:04.700 It's mental.

00:42:05.660 Yeah.

00:42:05.820 It's the complete backwards.

00:42:06.940 We'll let in anyone in,

00:42:08.020 we'll let in anyone

00:42:09.060 in this category.

00:42:10.360 Except people

00:42:11.000 who could be supported

00:42:11.880 financially.

00:42:12.640 But someone who has

00:42:13.320 a direct relationship

00:42:14.400 to a British person,

00:42:16.400 they're not coming in.

00:42:17.180 It's like,

00:42:17.360 no,

00:42:17.480 that's the opposite.

00:42:18.460 None of the category,

00:42:19.660 you know,

00:42:19.840 we don't just want Indians

00:42:20.740 for Indian sake,

00:42:21.560 Pakistanis for Pakistani sake.

00:42:22.860 But if you,

00:42:23.760 as an individual,

00:42:24.580 are married to a British person,

00:42:25.880 of course you get citizenship.

00:42:27.140 Your children,

00:42:28.280 of course,

00:42:28.540 will be half British

00:42:29.440 and therefore they'll get

00:42:30.260 all the inheritance

00:42:31.200 of being British.

00:42:32.320 And,

00:42:32.620 you know,

00:42:32.880 you're,

00:42:33.220 I mean,

00:42:33.440 I'm living proof of this.

00:42:35.040 You know,

00:42:35.280 three generations in,

00:42:36.380 you've got blue-eyed children.

00:42:37.700 Right?

00:42:37.960 So it's,

00:42:38.960 trust me,

00:42:39.820 it's fine.

00:42:40.260 And a strong nativist core.

00:42:43.020 And,

00:42:43.160 yeah,

00:42:43.300 you're an insane nativist.

00:42:44.940 Yes.

00:42:45.200 So,

00:42:45.660 and this is,

00:42:46.760 so this,

00:42:47.180 this I think is the way

00:42:48.320 we should be characterised.

00:42:49.060 This is how I'm going to

00:42:49.880 characterise myself.

00:42:51.000 I'm a nativist.

00:42:51.840 I'm not an ethno-nationalist.

00:42:52.980 I'm not a nuns or anything like that.

00:42:54.120 I'm a nativist.

00:42:54.280 Okay,

00:42:54.400 that makes sense,

00:42:54.880 yeah.

00:42:55.120 And,

00:42:55.460 you know,

00:42:55.740 so I'm happy to accept

00:42:57.920 those people who are actually

00:42:59.580 joining the community

00:43:00.540 substantively,

00:43:01.900 but of course those foreigners

00:43:03.220 who have just been

00:43:03.820 bust in under the Boris wave,

00:43:05.840 no,

00:43:05.960 they can go home.

00:43:06.980 Well,

00:43:07.220 the fact that we now have

00:43:08.440 political ads in this country,

00:43:10.120 we've not a single word of English

00:43:11.920 spoken in them,

00:43:13.020 entirely in Urdu,

00:43:15.260 shows that this is not happening.

00:43:16.860 You know what,

00:43:17.120 I forgot to pull that up for this,

00:43:18.760 but,

00:43:19.040 yeah,

00:43:19.480 in Gorton and Denton,

00:43:20.240 for anyone who's just,

00:43:20.920 Samson's got it in Studio One.

00:43:23.600 The Green Party put out

00:43:25.220 an attack ad on Matt Goodwin

00:43:27.300 that was entirely in Urdu.

00:43:29.160 If you want to see it,

00:43:30.760 Samson can add it very quickly.

00:43:32.000 We'll worry about it later.

00:43:32.920 All right.

00:43:33.180 But the funny thing about this was,

00:43:35.320 though,

00:43:35.940 is that,

00:43:36.440 the last British native

00:43:38.440 to actually be able to speak Urdu,

00:43:40.600 the last white British politician

00:43:41.840 who spoke Urdu,

00:43:43.060 was Enoch Powell.

00:43:43.900 He was,

00:43:44.420 yes.

00:43:45.220 Because he taught himself Urdu

00:43:46.800 to speak to the Pakistanis

00:43:48.040 who had come here

00:43:48.520 because he was a polymath-educated man

00:43:51.440 of the empire

00:43:52.100 who understood that

00:43:53.160 you need to know

00:43:54.060 how these people think.

00:43:54.760 Didn't he speak like

00:43:55.280 seven languages,

00:43:56.560 14 languages?

00:43:57.600 Something like that.

00:43:58.620 Who speaks nine,

00:44:00.180 whatever it is,

00:44:00.740 nine,

00:44:01.160 12 languages?

00:44:01.840 And somehow he's the problem.

00:44:03.980 It's like,

00:44:04.160 no,

00:44:04.300 he was one of the best,

00:44:05.160 he was,

00:44:05.460 you know,

00:44:05.620 the greatest primers.

00:44:06.360 Because he underestimated

00:44:07.620 what it would look like by today.

00:44:09.280 That was his crime,

00:44:10.160 underestimating what today

00:44:11.480 would look like.

00:44:12.780 Anyway,

00:44:13.260 so the point is,

00:44:15.200 we know what we are,

00:44:16.040 we know what they are,

00:44:16.820 they're not part of our community,

00:44:17.820 we're not part of their community,

00:44:19.120 and that's fine.

00:44:20.000 But this has to be for our communities

00:44:21.820 and their communities first.

00:44:23.660 I'm not saying they should be

00:44:24.460 deprived of rights,

00:44:25.700 I'm not saying they should have

00:44:26.840 their property stolen,

00:44:27.880 that they should be outside of the law,

00:44:28.960 or anything like that.

00:44:29.640 It's just the direction of travel

00:44:31.160 for the country

00:44:31.660 has to be in our interests

00:44:32.900 and not theirs.

00:44:33.800 And if they don't like it,

00:44:34.880 they have options.

00:44:36.500 We don't have any options.

00:44:37.900 Our back is up against the wall here.

00:44:39.580 It's that simple.

00:44:41.020 So,

00:44:42.120 how is all this going?

00:44:44.440 Well,

00:44:45.360 going pretty good,

00:44:46.620 actually.

00:44:47.460 So it's been,

00:44:48.020 I think,

00:44:48.340 day 10 or 11 now.

00:44:49.980 90,000.

00:44:51.320 90,000 members.

00:44:53.200 Right.

00:44:53.480 They're going to get to 100,000

00:44:54.980 by the end of this week.

00:44:57.300 This is the fastest growing

00:44:59.220 political party

00:45:00.000 in British political history.

00:45:02.380 This is incredible.

00:45:04.380 Right.

00:45:04.520 And it's literally

00:45:05.460 word of mouth

00:45:06.500 because Rupert Lowe

00:45:07.200 has not been getting

00:45:07.660 favourable coverage on the BBC.

00:45:09.140 He's not been getting

00:45:09.920 favourable coverage on GB News.

00:45:11.720 It's word of mouth

00:45:12.780 through the alternative media.

00:45:14.640 And no matter how firmly

00:45:15.900 inside the Blairite

00:45:17.320 Overton window you are,

00:45:19.180 there's no way

00:45:20.240 that you can look at this

00:45:21.380 and think,

00:45:22.140 in your heart of hearts,

00:45:22.960 there is something real there.

00:45:25.140 Yes.

00:45:26.480 And so the question is,

00:45:28.580 well,

00:45:29.200 how do we know

00:45:29.720 when we're having an effect?

00:45:30.980 Because, I mean,

00:45:31.420 like having Rupert Lowe

00:45:32.680 pop up in a random poll

00:45:34.340 in the North,

00:45:35.280 fine.

00:45:35.900 Having him pop up

00:45:36.700 in a random poll

00:45:37.860 that was commissioned

00:45:38.780 by Restore Britain,

00:45:40.340 you know,

00:45:41.180 you know,

00:45:41.600 like, okay,

00:45:42.780 it's good.

00:45:43.460 Well, you can just miss it

00:45:44.180 simply on the grounds

00:45:44.920 that they were connected

00:45:46.200 to its commissioning.

00:45:46.940 Exactly.

00:45:47.680 But what happens

00:45:48.420 when they just pop up

00:45:49.280 organically in a random poll

00:45:50.760 that was done

00:45:51.340 the other day?

00:45:53.300 As you can see,

00:45:54.580 Restore Britain

00:45:55.120 at 7%

00:45:56.420 organically.

00:45:59.260 I mean,

00:45:59.520 your party

00:46:00.080 was also included

00:46:01.320 in this poll

00:46:01.860 1%.

00:46:02.780 And notice how

00:46:04.260 we covered the other

00:46:05.180 the other day

00:46:05.880 that was at 7%.

00:46:06.860 Well, that's gone back

00:46:07.620 down to 2%,

00:46:08.460 where other usually is,

00:46:10.160 right?

00:46:11.280 Not only has Restore Britain

00:46:12.560 grown,

00:46:13.320 like,

00:46:13.680 broken this containment,

00:46:15.020 but it's also grown,

00:46:16.600 right?

00:46:16.900 Because remember,

00:46:17.500 the entire other

00:46:18.560 was 7%,

00:46:19.000 so it was probably

00:46:19.400 at 5%

00:46:19.960 in that original poll.

00:46:21.300 Now,

00:46:22.060 they're at 7%

00:46:22.880 on their own.

00:46:24.120 This is where

00:46:24.800 it starts to really matter.

00:46:26.100 This is where

00:46:26.540 it starts to count.

00:46:27.360 Because everyone

00:46:27.780 sees the polls,

00:46:28.740 they see them everywhere,

00:46:29.480 and they be like,

00:46:29.760 oh God,

00:46:30.140 Restore Britain

00:46:30.540 on 7%.

00:46:31.240 That's a hell of a start.

00:46:33.000 And so now it's in the minds

00:46:34.280 of the normies.

00:46:35.260 It's like,

00:46:35.420 no,

00:46:35.580 that's a lot of people.

00:46:38.300 Suddenly,

00:46:39.020 and again,

00:46:39.460 after 11 days,

00:46:41.020 not even two weeks in,

00:46:42.420 and you're already

00:46:42.820 at 7% of the polls.

00:46:43.960 That is meteoric.

00:46:45.800 Well,

00:46:45.980 and as soon as it clicks

00:46:46.920 on everybody else

00:46:48.460 for the top four,

00:46:50.120 sorry,

00:46:50.460 the top,

00:46:50.780 sorry,

00:46:51.080 yeah,

00:46:51.340 four of the top five bars

00:46:52.800 are the same party.

00:46:54.580 Yes.

00:46:55.240 With different colours.

00:46:56.800 Yes.

00:46:57.440 And,

00:46:57.800 I mean,

00:46:58.020 look at the rest of the poll.

00:46:58.920 The rest of the poll

00:46:59.360 is actually insane.

00:47:00.300 Reform were only on 25%.

00:47:01.740 That's bad.

00:47:03.960 Reform were polling

00:47:05.040 at like 33%

00:47:06.220 only a few months ago.

00:47:07.680 So,

00:47:08.240 you've lost a huge share

00:47:09.680 of your vote there,

00:47:10.440 Nigel.

00:47:11.100 But that,

00:47:11.660 then,

00:47:12.380 who's in second?

00:47:13.200 It's the Greens.

00:47:15.280 Where's the Blairite party

00:47:16.740 gone?

00:47:17.160 Like,

00:47:17.400 you know,

00:47:17.700 when people click

00:47:18.320 reform is a Blairite party,

00:47:20.860 they're going to go down as well.

00:47:21.920 It's going to be

00:47:22.760 Restore versus the Greens,

00:47:24.120 like we've been predicting.

00:47:25.320 Labour and Tories,

00:47:26.100 both on 16%

00:47:26.900 and shrinking,

00:47:28.820 it's like,

00:47:29.220 sorry,

00:47:29.500 this is going exactly

00:47:30.580 how we said.

00:47:31.560 The centre is collapsing.

00:47:32.960 The Lib Dem vote

00:47:33.600 remains consistent

00:47:34.460 because the Lib Dems

00:47:35.700 are the posh people

00:47:36.540 in the shires

00:47:37.120 who have still got

00:47:37.720 nice gardens,

00:47:39.160 but everyone else

00:47:39.760 is actually fighting

00:47:40.460 for the future

00:47:40.980 of the country.

00:47:42.220 And,

00:47:42.480 okay,

00:47:42.820 yeah,

00:47:42.960 the communists

00:47:43.480 have got about 20%

00:47:44.340 of the country.

00:47:44.940 Agreed,

00:47:45.320 yeah,

00:47:45.560 that's probably true.

00:47:46.740 But the Blairite centre

00:47:47.940 is the one that's

00:47:48.580 being whittled away

00:47:50.060 from the outsides

00:47:50.960 and they are in trouble

00:47:53.040 and they know it.

00:47:54.400 And so,

00:47:54.760 this is just brilliant,

00:47:55.640 right?

00:47:56.060 The betting markets

00:47:57.100 are mental,

00:47:59.120 right?

00:47:59.360 They're absolutely mental.

00:48:00.880 As you can see here,

00:48:01.980 Nigel Farage,

00:48:03.100 10 to 1,

00:48:03.820 11 to 2,

00:48:04.660 12 to 1,

00:48:05.300 blah, blah, blah.

00:48:05.920 Rupert Lowe,

00:48:06.540 10 to 1,

00:48:07.240 9 to 1,

00:48:08.260 10 to 1,

00:48:08.820 12 to 1.

00:48:09.440 How is he beating

00:48:11.340 Nigel Farage in the odds?

00:48:13.140 Yeah,

00:48:13.360 I mean,

00:48:13.480 you do need to be

00:48:14.040 a bit careful

00:48:14.440 with betting odds.

00:48:15.060 I know,

00:48:15.600 then they're just

00:48:16.780 a guess,

00:48:17.520 right?

00:48:17.880 Well,

00:48:18.060 it's not that the firm

00:48:19.920 is making a guess

00:48:20.920 and then will lose out

00:48:22.620 if the bet goes against them.

00:48:24.200 They're just,

00:48:24.660 this is how much money

00:48:25.600 is coming on that side,

00:48:26.460 this is how much money

00:48:27.180 is coming on that side,

00:48:27.900 what clears this market?

00:48:29.900 Yeah,

00:48:30.160 and it's not like

00:48:31.460 a prediction

00:48:32.100 or anything like that.

00:48:32.940 But a lot of people

00:48:34.540 are putting their money

00:48:35.240 where their mouth is.

00:48:36.160 Exactly.

00:48:36.720 It's an indicative measure

00:48:39.000 of the spirit,

00:48:40.500 right?

00:48:41.120 Of,

00:48:41.400 you know,

00:48:41.700 how the public thinks

00:48:43.600 this is going to go.

00:48:45.440 And the public

00:48:46.320 is showing

00:48:47.600 by revealed preference

00:48:48.600 to the betting markets

00:48:49.580 that they're betting

00:48:50.580 on Rupert Lowe

00:48:51.280 and not Farage.

00:48:53.060 It's like,

00:48:53.360 okay,

00:48:53.560 that's very interesting.

00:48:55.560 It's very,

00:48:56.140 how is that possible?

00:48:57.940 Farage should be

00:48:58.760 an absolute show

00:48:59.620 and he should be

00:49:00.040 completely,

00:49:00.420 I mean,

00:49:01.060 you know,

00:49:01.480 why is it that people

00:49:02.500 think that we're

00:49:03.160 streeting mostly

00:49:04.520 in someone's,

00:49:05.960 or Angela Rayner?

00:49:06.980 No,

00:49:07.360 Farage,

00:49:07.800 you've been leading

00:49:08.360 in 200 polls

00:49:09.360 you keep telling us.

00:49:10.560 Oh,

00:49:10.700 I mean,

00:49:11.000 I genuinely believe

00:49:11.720 that he can do it

00:49:12.440 and it's not because,

00:49:14.560 I mean,

00:49:15.140 for example,

00:49:15.860 a bad investor

00:49:16.740 will look at

00:49:17.960 the price of a stock

00:49:19.280 and whether it's gone up

00:49:20.120 last week

00:49:20.600 and buy it on that basis.

00:49:21.760 That's not what you do.

00:49:22.820 You look at the fundamentals

00:49:23.680 and I'm looking at the fundamentals

00:49:24.780 of the political system here

00:49:25.900 and I'm seeing

00:49:27.320 huge enthusiasm

00:49:29.240 organic enthusiasm.

00:49:32.080 Let's talk about that

00:49:32.680 because here are the Google

00:49:33.560 search results.

00:49:35.980 As you can see,

00:49:37.040 Restore Britain is a topic

00:49:38.140 dominating

00:49:39.180 over reform.

00:49:41.200 Absolutely dominating.

00:49:42.980 Reform is the red

00:49:44.140 graph there,

00:49:45.640 Restore is the blue graph

00:49:46.800 and you can see

00:49:47.720 the average interest

00:49:48.500 59% to 26%

00:49:49.960 on the actual

00:49:51.000 overall search results

00:49:51.980 in this.

00:49:52.660 Labour,

00:49:53.140 Conservative,

00:49:53.660 Green,

00:49:53.920 all at the bottom.

00:49:55.480 The organic power

00:49:57.000 is on the right

00:49:58.320 and it's mostly

00:49:59.740 going towards

00:50:00.400 Restore.

00:50:02.000 And this,

00:50:03.140 like,

00:50:03.320 they keep saying,

00:50:04.020 oh,

00:50:04.200 you know,

00:50:04.640 no one knows

00:50:05.160 Rupert Lowe.

00:50:05.620 Well,

00:50:05.820 obviously they do.

00:50:07.240 It's 7% organically

00:50:08.560 in the polls.

00:50:09.400 But you've had

00:50:10.080 young,

00:50:10.840 enterprising young men

00:50:11.740 who've just gone out

00:50:12.240 and been like,

00:50:12.840 here's a picture

00:50:13.300 of Rupert Lowe.

00:50:13.820 Do you recognise him?

00:50:14.760 Excuse me,

00:50:15.100 mate,

00:50:15.340 do you know who this is?

00:50:16.620 Yeah,

00:50:16.860 Rupert Lowe.

00:50:17.420 What do you think

00:50:17.820 about him?

00:50:18.600 Fucking Jewy.

00:50:19.600 Have you heard

00:50:20.160 about his new

00:50:20.560 political party?

00:50:21.400 Yeah.

00:50:22.000 What do you think

00:50:22.440 about it?

00:50:23.120 Yeah.

00:50:23.940 One to vote.

00:50:24.960 Better than reform?

00:50:25.900 Yeah,

00:50:26.280 100%.

00:50:26.980 Nigel Farage

00:50:27.620 is never going

00:50:28.040 to be the

00:50:28.340 geyser to run

00:50:28.880 with him.

00:50:29.380 Why do you think

00:50:30.040 that?

00:50:30.500 He's a wet wife.

00:50:32.200 He's just,

00:50:33.180 he's not got what

00:50:36.560 it takes to be

00:50:38.120 unpopular.

00:50:39.020 Yeah,

00:50:39.460 so you think

00:50:40.080 he's trying to

00:50:40.440 appease to the

00:50:41.000 left wing and

00:50:41.640 to the centre

00:50:42.260 and he's part

00:50:42.860 of the establishment

00:50:43.380 essentially,

00:50:43.940 Nigel Farage.

00:50:44.620 He's the guy.

00:50:47.200 We get it.

00:50:48.760 And there have

00:50:49.240 been loads of

00:50:49.720 videos like this,

00:50:50.460 by the way,

00:50:51.240 where...

00:50:52.000 Incidentally,

00:50:52.540 I absolutely love

00:50:53.080 the fact that

00:50:53.580 they now all

00:50:54.340 put a mic

00:50:55.880 on the top

00:50:56.240 of a wooden

00:50:56.580 spoon.

00:50:58.500 Because GoPros

00:50:59.320 or whatever it is,

00:51:00.240 mics don't have

00:51:00.800 handles anymore.

00:51:01.780 Good point,

00:51:02.240 yeah.

00:51:02.860 But the point

00:51:03.660 is people do

00:51:04.380 know who he

00:51:05.080 is and

00:51:05.760 everyone can

00:51:07.340 see that

00:51:08.180 actually this

00:51:08.840 is the thing

00:51:09.420 to be talking

00:51:09.960 about at the

00:51:10.440 moment.

00:51:10.980 So anyway,

00:51:11.620 things aren't

00:51:12.260 going great

00:51:12.660 for reform.

00:51:13.600 Here's the

00:51:14.040 Gorton and

00:51:15.940 Denton

00:51:16.300 by-election

00:51:16.820 polling where

00:51:17.860 Matt Goodwin

00:51:18.280 is losing.

00:51:19.700 He is somehow...

00:51:20.260 Oh,

00:51:20.400 they're second?

00:51:21.120 Yes.

00:51:21.700 I skimmed that

00:51:22.500 and I just

00:51:22.820 thought,

00:51:23.120 oh,

00:51:23.260 they're 33%

00:51:24.020 greens,

00:51:24.400 29%.

00:51:24.780 But no,

00:51:25.020 it's the

00:51:25.180 other way around.

00:51:26.240 And I've seen

00:51:27.080 polls the other

00:51:27.880 way,

00:51:28.580 but it's one

00:51:29.480 of those things

00:51:29.900 where it's like,

00:51:30.240 look,

00:51:30.340 this shouldn't

00:51:30.680 actually be this

00:51:31.440 close.

00:51:32.200 Because the

00:51:32.940 Gorton and

00:51:33.520 Denton,

00:51:34.080 it's Gorton

00:51:34.520 that is 30%

00:51:35.480 Muslim and

00:51:36.620 the rest of

00:51:37.020 it,

00:51:37.140 Denton,

00:51:37.440 is like,

00:51:37.740 you know,

00:51:38.080 66% English,

00:51:39.660 right?

00:51:40.020 So this should

00:51:40.980 actually be a

00:51:41.480 slam dunk,

00:51:42.580 right?

00:51:42.840 You should be

00:51:43.660 able to win

00:51:44.340 this on fairly

00:51:45.460 nativist grounds

00:51:46.240 and he's not

00:51:46.900 been campaigning

00:51:47.700 on nativist

00:51:48.540 grounds.

00:51:49.600 And so you've

00:51:50.320 got this profound

00:51:51.120 weakness.

00:51:51.520 I mean,

00:51:51.660 this isn't even

00:51:52.180 an important

00:51:52.580 constituency,

00:51:53.620 right?

00:51:53.740 There's nothing

00:51:54.180 really important

00:51:54.900 here,

00:51:55.460 except that it

00:51:56.240 is a bellwether

00:51:56.980 of the tidal

00:51:57.960 forces of the

00:51:58.880 politics.

00:51:59.480 I mean,

00:51:59.660 it's important

00:52:00.400 that it is a

00:52:01.900 glimpse into

00:52:02.880 Britain's near

00:52:03.520 future,

00:52:04.220 where one half

00:52:05.480 is native and

00:52:06.340 the other half

00:52:07.000 is speaking in

00:52:08.420 Urdu.

00:52:09.000 Yes.

00:52:10.040 That's exactly

00:52:10.580 true.

00:52:10.760 Yeah.

00:52:11.080 And it's not

00:52:11.760 that far in our

00:52:12.780 future.

00:52:13.760 No.

00:52:14.320 I mean,

00:52:14.720 well,

00:52:14.960 it's literally

00:52:15.320 taking place

00:52:15.880 right now.

00:52:16.540 Yeah.

00:52:16.780 I mean,

00:52:16.980 this is a subset,

00:52:17.960 but this will be

00:52:19.160 the national

00:52:19.800 poll before very

00:52:21.060 long.

00:52:21.580 Yes.

00:52:21.820 And we

00:52:22.300 either turn it

00:52:22.820 around before

00:52:23.320 that.

00:52:24.480 Or this is the

00:52:24.980 future.

00:52:25.560 Yes.

00:52:26.040 And it's the

00:52:26.480 future of the

00:52:26.900 Green Party

00:52:27.360 just weaponizing

00:52:28.080 all of the

00:52:28.440 immigrants against

00:52:29.060 the natives.

00:52:29.980 So anyway,

00:52:30.980 you have reform

00:52:32.320 branches resigning.

00:52:34.040 We saw the

00:52:35.040 Western Super

00:52:35.600 Mayor branch

00:52:36.100 resign the other

00:52:36.920 day,

00:52:37.520 but here's

00:52:37.880 Osset and

00:52:38.360 Denbury Dale

00:52:38.960 and Dewsbury

00:52:39.620 and Batley

00:52:40.140 both decided,

00:52:41.320 yeah,

00:52:41.440 we're not happy

00:52:41.860 with it because

00:52:42.380 there's a rumor

00:52:43.180 going around,

00:52:43.900 and I haven't

00:52:44.160 been able to

00:52:44.500 corroborate this,

00:52:45.720 but rumor

00:52:46.420 going around that

00:52:47.280 the branch

00:52:48.380 leaders are being

00:52:48.980 replaced by

00:52:49.560 former

00:52:50.000 conservative

00:52:50.640 branch leaders.

00:52:51.420 I can 100%

00:52:52.660 believe that.

00:52:53.240 Well,

00:52:53.720 I wouldn't have

00:52:54.480 brought it up

00:52:55.060 unless it

00:52:55.720 sounded really

00:52:56.520 plausible.

00:52:57.200 Yes.

00:52:57.580 Because Nigel

00:52:58.340 has basically

00:52:59.220 replaced his

00:52:59.820 MPs with

00:53:00.460 conservative

00:53:00.860 members.

00:53:01.020 Yes.

00:53:01.840 Yes,

00:53:02.180 he did.

00:53:02.600 They literally

00:53:03.140 replaced them.

00:53:04.300 He started

00:53:06.080 with two

00:53:06.680 non-Tory

00:53:07.540 MPs,

00:53:08.620 got rid of

00:53:09.100 both of

00:53:09.460 them,

00:53:10.100 immediately

00:53:10.420 replaced them

00:53:10.980 with four

00:53:11.480 Tory MPs.

00:53:12.700 Correct.

00:53:12.880 And so

00:53:13.820 it's remarkable

00:53:15.220 how,

00:53:16.320 I mean,

00:53:16.620 the branch

00:53:17.500 managers have

00:53:18.760 resigned,

00:53:19.500 and they probably

00:53:20.420 are just being

00:53:20.800 replaced by

00:53:21.260 Tories.

00:53:22.040 So,

00:53:22.660 what's Farage's

00:53:23.780 plan?

00:53:24.360 Because it

00:53:24.760 seems like the

00:53:25.520 tide is actually

00:53:26.140 now against him.

00:53:27.520 The tide is not

00:53:28.460 coming in anymore,

00:53:29.580 is now coming out,

00:53:30.700 and he now has to

00:53:31.460 King Canute style

00:53:32.860 try and fight it

00:53:33.640 and hold it back.

00:53:34.840 Well,

00:53:35.280 they've decided

00:53:35.880 that they're going

00:53:36.320 to try and

00:53:36.820 basically become

00:53:37.760 restore Britain.

00:53:39.560 Now,

00:53:40.140 you remember

00:53:40.580 that Farage

00:53:42.100 promised that

00:53:43.340 he was going

00:53:43.660 to do a rape

00:53:44.040 gang inquiry

00:53:44.580 in Parliament.

00:53:45.380 He didn't.

00:53:46.440 Exactly.

00:53:47.360 He literally

00:53:48.000 did nothing.

00:53:49.080 Kicked Rupert

00:53:49.560 Laird of the

00:53:49.880 party,

00:53:50.240 and Rupert Laird

00:53:50.540 said,

00:53:50.780 well,

00:53:50.920 actually,

00:53:51.700 I was actually

00:53:52.420 committed to

00:53:52.960 that.

00:53:53.700 I actually

00:53:54.320 think we

00:53:54.700 should do

00:53:55.060 the rape

00:53:55.340 gang inquiry.

00:53:55.980 He did

00:53:56.380 the rape

00:53:56.660 gang inquiry.

00:53:57.420 It was

00:53:57.720 horrific.

00:53:59.180 And then he

00:54:00.140 launched

00:54:00.400 Restore Britain.

00:54:01.620 And an inquiry

00:54:02.680 is a lot

00:54:03.600 of work.

00:54:04.640 And he did

00:54:05.380 that as well

00:54:05.740 as everything

00:54:06.120 else he does,

00:54:06.820 as well as

00:54:07.220 being a top

00:54:07.680 constituency MP.

00:54:08.860 As well as

00:54:09.180 being one of

00:54:09.700 the most active

00:54:10.220 MPs in the

00:54:10.860 chamber.

00:54:11.800 He also

00:54:12.200 managed to

00:54:12.660 pull off

00:54:12.900 an inquiry.

00:54:13.460 I mean,

00:54:13.580 this is a guy

00:54:13.960 who can get

00:54:14.260 stuff done.

00:54:15.020 And he

00:54:15.300 actually does

00:54:15.880 what he says

00:54:16.280 he's going

00:54:16.560 to do.

00:54:17.540 I haven't

00:54:18.600 seen that

00:54:18.900 for a while.

00:54:19.540 No,

00:54:19.820 I mean,

00:54:20.580 ever.

00:54:21.800 Yeah,

00:54:21.980 I literally

00:54:22.320 haven't.

00:54:22.900 At least not

00:54:23.400 for a right-wing

00:54:23.940 cause anyway.

00:54:24.740 But Farage

00:54:25.180 has always been

00:54:25.840 just hot air.

00:54:26.880 I mean,

00:54:27.420 you know,

00:54:27.740 look at the

00:54:28.240 promises they're

00:54:28.820 making.

00:54:29.260 Oh,

00:54:29.500 reform are going

00:54:30.080 to create an

00:54:30.500 ice-style

00:54:30.980 agency and

00:54:31.560 deport 300,000

00:54:32.300 people a year.

00:54:33.420 Well,

00:54:33.660 it's hot air

00:54:34.200 from Farage's

00:54:34.820 party.

00:54:35.480 But why are

00:54:36.680 you saying that

00:54:37.320 now?

00:54:38.040 Is it because

00:54:38.520 Rupert Lowe,

00:54:39.160 who got kicked

00:54:39.900 out of your

00:54:40.260 party,

00:54:40.620 saying we're

00:54:40.980 going to

00:54:41.140 detain and

00:54:41.680 deport,

00:54:42.220 and if entire

00:54:42.840 communities are

00:54:43.460 sent home,

00:54:43.940 then entire

00:54:44.340 communities are

00:54:44.840 sent home.

00:54:45.500 You kicked

00:54:45.980 them out for

00:54:46.340 that,

00:54:46.500 but suddenly,

00:54:47.000 oh,

00:54:47.140 no,

00:54:47.300 no,

00:54:47.440 no,

00:54:47.660 we're going

00:54:48.100 to deport

00:54:48.460 300,000 a

00:54:49.280 year.

00:54:49.440 Well,

00:54:49.520 that'll be

00:54:49.740 entire

00:54:50.040 communities.

00:54:51.280 300,000

00:54:52.060 every year

00:54:53.000 is a lot

00:54:53.540 of people.

00:54:54.680 I mean,

00:54:54.920 if me or

00:54:56.940 Beau had

00:54:57.320 said that,

00:54:58.600 and had

00:54:59.380 got kicked

00:54:59.920 out for

00:55:00.360 that.

00:55:00.800 Okay,

00:55:01.080 yeah,

00:55:01.300 well,

00:55:01.420 that's what

00:55:01.900 Beau got

00:55:02.220 kicked out

00:55:02.600 for.

00:55:03.160 Yes.

00:55:03.460 And now

00:55:03.900 they're on

00:55:04.540 that plantation,

00:55:05.660 right?

00:55:05.860 This,

00:55:06.340 like,

00:55:06.960 Robert Jemmerick,

00:55:07.500 reform will

00:55:07.940 deport every

00:55:08.500 illegal immigrant.

00:55:09.640 I mean,

00:55:09.940 Nigel Farage

00:55:10.480 literally said

00:55:11.200 that was

00:55:11.440 impossible.

00:55:12.620 Yes.

00:55:13.100 With Stephen

00:55:13.480 Edgington.

00:55:14.260 Right?

00:55:14.840 Why are you

00:55:15.520 saying it?

00:55:16.400 You're saying

00:55:17.020 it?

00:55:17.480 Oh,

00:55:17.720 yeah,

00:55:17.840 this is

00:55:18.120 another one.

00:55:18.780 It's because,

00:55:19.500 look at this,

00:55:20.200 restore Britain

00:55:21.560 will close off

00:55:22.100 entire visa routes

00:55:22.780 from Pakistan,

00:55:23.380 Afghanistan,

00:55:23.840 Eritrea,

00:55:24.180 Sudan and

00:55:24.500 Syria.

00:55:25.100 And in

00:55:25.580 other places,

00:55:26.300 Rupert Lowe's

00:55:26.660 like,

00:55:26.820 among many

00:55:27.360 others,

00:55:27.700 right?

00:55:28.120 Yeah,

00:55:28.480 right,

00:55:28.680 just close

00:55:29.320 off.

00:55:29.580 We don't

00:55:29.860 need those

00:55:30.300 people coming

00:55:30.840 here,

00:55:31.400 right?

00:55:31.940 Well,

00:55:32.880 suddenly reform,

00:55:33.840 like,

00:55:34.300 oh,

00:55:34.740 yeah,

00:55:34.920 we're going

00:55:35.140 to impose

00:55:35.480 visa bans

00:55:35.980 on Pakistan,

00:55:36.540 Afghanistan,

00:55:37.120 Eritrea,

00:55:37.480 Sudan and

00:55:37.820 Syria,

00:55:38.140 if those

00:55:38.880 countries refuse

00:55:39.580 to take

00:55:39.900 back illegal

00:55:40.380 immigrants.

00:55:41.040 And you can

00:55:41.500 see Zia

00:55:42.040 doing this

00:55:42.580 because he's

00:55:44.100 actually young

00:55:44.520 enough to be

00:55:45.040 online and

00:55:45.980 see where the

00:55:46.560 conversation is

00:55:47.300 moving and

00:55:48.440 he's going into

00:55:52.780 bad this is

00:55:53.400 getting.

00:55:53.780 We have to

00:55:54.300 do this.

00:55:54.940 We have to

00:55:55.280 do something

00:55:55.560 right wing.

00:55:56.200 Yeah.

00:55:56.460 And because

00:55:57.320 for some reason

00:55:58.280 Faraj,

00:55:58.860 the only person

00:55:59.680 he ever listens

00:56:00.200 to,

00:56:00.400 I don't know

00:56:00.840 how this works,

00:56:01.580 but the only

00:56:02.140 person he ever

00:56:02.720 takes advice

00:56:03.220 from is Zia

00:56:04.420 Yusuf.

00:56:04.960 He lets him

00:56:05.800 do it.

00:56:06.220 Mental,

00:56:06.620 isn't it?

00:56:07.040 But look at

00:56:07.460 how much

00:56:08.360 difference there

00:56:09.520 is,

00:56:09.720 right?

00:56:10.220 So you've

00:56:10.820 got Restore,

00:56:11.480 which is,

00:56:11.840 no,

00:56:12.040 we don't need

00:56:12.440 these people

00:56:12.820 here.

00:56:13.020 We're just

00:56:13.240 going to

00:56:13.520 close them

00:56:13.960 off.

00:56:14.200 We're going

00:56:14.320 to mass

00:56:15.360 deport illegal

00:56:17.000 immigrants,

00:56:17.380 of course.

00:56:17.740 I mean,

00:56:22.780 but they're

00:56:23.440 suddenly like,

00:56:23.800 yeah,

00:56:23.900 no,

00:56:24.000 no,

00:56:24.080 we're going

00:56:24.320 to deport

00:56:24.640 as well.

00:56:25.780 And so

00:56:26.360 Restore,

00:56:27.060 yeah,

00:56:27.280 and we're

00:56:27.500 going to

00:56:27.640 make sure

00:56:27.900 that we

00:56:28.100 don't get

00:56:28.360 these people

00:56:28.720 coming here

00:56:29.160 because we

00:56:29.360 don't need

00:56:29.700 them.

00:56:30.280 I mean,

00:56:30.640 there's

00:56:31.060 literally

00:56:31.320 no reason

00:56:32.060 to have

00:56:32.820 people from

00:56:33.220 these

00:56:33.360 countries

00:56:33.680 economically,

00:56:34.820 socially,

00:56:35.660 politically.

00:56:36.120 There's just

00:56:36.400 no benefit

00:56:37.060 to our

00:56:37.360 country.

00:56:38.040 So,

00:56:38.240 yeah,

00:56:38.560 we'll just

00:56:38.800 close that

00:56:39.260 off then.

00:56:39.600 We don't

00:56:39.820 need any

00:56:40.120 more of

00:56:40.360 those.

00:56:40.900 But look

00:56:41.180 at this.

00:56:41.980 We'll

00:56:42.300 close it

00:56:42.660 off if

00:56:43.060 they refuse

00:56:43.520 to take

00:56:43.820 back

00:56:52.780 illegally.

00:56:53.680 So,

00:56:54.160 they can

00:56:54.320 be like,

00:56:54.540 well,

00:56:54.700 I mean,

00:56:54.900 how many

00:56:55.140 illegal

00:56:55.560 Pakistanis?

00:56:56.280 They're

00:56:56.640 saying to

00:56:56.960 Pakistan,

00:56:57.520 look,

00:56:58.100 you take

00:56:58.700 these 17,000

00:57:00.340 people and

00:57:01.580 you can send

00:57:02.120 us 800,000.

00:57:03.380 Correct.

00:57:04.020 That's exactly

00:57:04.620 what they're

00:57:04.940 saying.

00:57:05.440 So,

00:57:05.720 it's no

00:57:06.000 change in

00:57:06.880 the circulation

00:57:07.860 here.

00:57:08.780 It's exactly

00:57:09.320 the same flow.

00:57:10.120 No,

00:57:10.280 it's still

00:57:10.600 infinite

00:57:11.020 Pakistanis

00:57:11.860 on the

00:57:12.480 premise that

00:57:12.900 those ones

00:57:13.300 who are

00:57:13.520 stupid enough

00:57:14.100 to get on

00:57:14.400 a boat

00:57:14.640 and cross

00:57:14.980 illegally,

00:57:15.720 those few

00:57:16.260 tens of

00:57:16.580 thousands,

00:57:17.400 are just

00:57:17.660 sent home

00:57:18.020 so they can

00:57:18.440 come legally.

00:57:19.260 And it's

00:57:19.600 a very

00:57:19.920 easy

00:57:20.240 calculation

00:57:20.700 for the

00:57:21.320 Pakistani

00:57:21.780 government

00:57:22.140 to do.

00:57:22.580 They can

00:57:22.700 say,

00:57:23.000 okay,

00:57:23.160 we're

00:57:23.400 going to

00:57:23.500 get this

00:57:23.860 much

00:57:24.080 remittances

00:57:24.620 from 800,000

00:57:25.520 people and

00:57:26.700 we're going

00:57:27.060 to have to

00:57:27.280 put these

00:57:27.620 people,

00:57:28.080 some of them

00:57:29.080 are going to

00:57:29.240 end up in

00:57:29.640 jail because

00:57:30.100 they're

00:57:30.280 undesirables.

00:57:31.440 Which is

00:57:31.920 bigger than

00:57:32.300 which?

00:57:32.680 Oh,

00:57:32.840 this number

00:57:33.320 is massively

00:57:34.040 bigger than

00:57:34.540 this number.

00:57:35.280 Yeah,

00:57:35.520 we agree to

00:57:35.940 that.

00:57:36.520 I mean,

00:57:37.060 the next

00:57:37.340 thing is,

00:57:37.740 of course,

00:57:38.800 Reform UK

00:57:39.540 are going to

00:57:39.920 exclude foreign

00:57:40.440 national from

00:57:40.940 welfare benefits.

00:57:42.080 Well,

00:57:42.220 one,

00:57:42.620 I mean,

00:57:42.900 how are you

00:57:43.240 going to

00:57:43.540 say that

00:57:43.960 they're not

00:57:44.260 English if

00:57:44.780 they've been

00:57:45.000 hit five

00:57:45.440 years or

00:57:45.760 more?

00:57:46.580 But two,

00:57:47.500 why are you

00:57:48.200 doing that?

00:57:48.800 It's because

00:57:49.180 that was a

00:57:49.660 restore Britain

00:57:50.340 policy.

00:57:51.380 Rupert Lowe

00:57:51.800 has said,

00:57:52.340 we will not

00:57:52.740 have people

00:57:53.920 on welfare,

00:57:55.260 we're going to

00:57:55.680 end parasitic

00:57:56.480 Britain,

00:57:56.900 is what he

00:57:57.260 called it,

00:57:57.980 make sure that

00:57:58.700 foreigners can't

00:57:59.580 claim welfare.

00:58:00.660 But this doesn't

00:58:01.960 even make any

00:58:02.780 sense on Reform UK's

00:58:05.040 own terms.

00:58:06.620 Because,

00:58:07.260 okay,

00:58:07.560 you get a letter

00:58:08.160 that says,

00:58:08.540 oh,

00:58:08.620 your benefit's

00:58:09.140 been cut off.

00:58:09.740 And you ring the

00:58:10.380 number,

00:58:10.960 yeah,

00:58:11.100 but I feel British.

00:58:12.020 Oh,

00:58:12.160 you're back on.

00:58:13.240 Excellent.

00:58:14.060 Exactly.

00:58:14.380 How does this

00:58:15.220 just doesn't tie

00:58:16.440 together?

00:58:17.240 Exactly,

00:58:17.780 right?

00:58:17.980 They can never

00:58:18.800 maintain this

00:58:19.500 position.

00:58:20.300 They're stealing

00:58:20.960 from Restore.

00:58:22.100 They're stealing.

00:58:22.940 I mean,

00:58:23.200 again,

00:58:23.620 all of these

00:58:24.100 things are

00:58:24.680 well-documented

00:58:25.600 by Restore.

00:58:26.140 This was the

00:58:26.540 entire right-wing

00:58:27.080 platform that

00:58:27.620 Restore had,

00:58:28.260 which is why

00:58:28.660 people are going

00:58:29.140 for it.

00:58:29.800 And Reform

00:58:30.520 are just like,

00:58:30.940 well,

00:58:31.080 just lift it.

00:58:31.800 Just lift it.

00:58:32.580 The next one,

00:58:33.440 oh,

00:58:33.800 we're going to

00:58:34.240 have boats in

00:58:35.460 the channel.

00:58:36.640 No,

00:58:36.840 you're not.

00:58:37.700 Nigel,

00:58:38.140 Nigel,

00:58:38.840 I mean,

00:58:39.140 Rupert Lowe,

00:58:39.880 Rupert Lowe said

00:58:41.220 that he would.

00:58:42.140 Nigel Farage is

00:58:42.880 not going to

00:58:43.400 bomb a boat

00:58:44.980 coming across

00:58:45.560 the channel.

00:58:46.520 He's not going

00:58:47.040 to tell them

00:58:47.700 open fire.

00:58:48.680 He's not going

00:58:49.060 to do that.

00:58:49.880 He is absolutely

00:58:50.780 not going to do

00:58:51.460 that.

00:58:51.920 And look,

00:58:52.740 again,

00:58:53.280 if there's not

00:58:53.700 a hard edge

00:58:54.220 to it,

00:58:54.780 what's the point?

00:58:55.740 Exactly.

00:58:56.500 But again,

00:58:57.320 another thing

00:58:57.900 lifted from

00:58:58.500 Rupert Lowe

00:58:58.940 in Restore.

00:58:59.760 The next one

00:59:00.740 is net

00:59:01.580 negative migration.

00:59:04.180 What?

00:59:05.120 That was literally

00:59:06.160 Rupert Lowe

00:59:06.820 in his viral

00:59:08.580 video announcing

00:59:09.340 the party.

00:59:10.220 Remember we

00:59:10.580 said it's

00:59:11.160 not enough

00:59:11.520 to just

00:59:11.800 end immigration,

00:59:12.700 we must

00:59:13.100 have net

00:59:13.460 negative

00:59:13.880 migration.

00:59:14.800 They're literally

00:59:15.320 lifting it

00:59:16.240 word for word.

00:59:17.160 And look at,

00:59:17.800 I mean,

00:59:18.020 this is the

00:59:19.060 meme that's

00:59:19.520 been going

00:59:19.820 around,

00:59:20.260 obviously,

00:59:21.020 because everyone's

00:59:21.460 like,

00:59:21.600 my God,

00:59:21.860 you're literally

00:59:22.340 just stealing

00:59:22.840 their platform,

00:59:24.120 but nobody,

00:59:24.960 with obviously

00:59:25.540 containment

00:59:26.100 modifications,

00:59:27.560 and nobody

00:59:28.200 believes you.

00:59:29.120 They always

00:59:29.500 insert a clause

00:59:30.360 at the end

00:59:30.940 that just

00:59:31.440 renders it

00:59:32.240 toothless.

00:59:32.900 Yep.

00:59:33.320 Remember when

00:59:33.760 Rupert Lowe

00:59:34.560 said,

00:59:34.940 oh,

00:59:35.040 we're going

00:59:35.200 to ban

00:59:35.400 the burka?

00:59:36.320 Well,

00:59:36.520 look at that.

00:59:37.040 They're going

00:59:37.260 to ban the

00:59:37.640 burka.

00:59:38.720 This was

00:59:39.260 written about

00:59:39.580 in the

00:59:39.780 Times,

00:59:40.240 Sarah Pochin.

00:59:41.200 But remember,

00:59:41.700 Zia Yusuf

00:59:42.300 countersignaled

00:59:43.080 this at the

00:59:43.660 time.

00:59:44.540 This is him,

00:59:45.060 in fact,

00:59:45.420 countersignaling it.

00:59:47.580 No,

00:59:48.040 this wasn't

00:59:48.440 it,

00:59:48.600 countersignaling it.

00:59:49.420 Previously,

00:59:49.940 he had

00:59:50.140 countersignaled it.

00:59:51.520 And it's like,

00:59:52.240 right,

00:59:52.440 okay,

00:59:52.600 because they're

00:59:53.220 intent on

00:59:53.760 restoring Britain's

00:59:54.600 Christian heritage.

00:59:55.960 And Sweller

00:59:56.200 Braveman's like,

00:59:56.800 yeah,

00:59:57.800 sorry,

00:59:58.300 sorry,

00:59:59.180 where did this

00:59:59.960 come from?

01:00:00.780 Oh,

01:00:00.920 this came from

01:00:01.400 Rupert Lowe's

01:00:01.880 video,

01:00:02.460 where he said,

01:00:03.160 Britain's a

01:00:03.600 Christian country,

01:00:04.200 and we're going

01:00:04.420 to protect our

01:00:07.640 Britain's

01:00:07.820 Christian heritage.

01:00:08.980 So,

01:00:09.220 okay,

01:00:10.880 one,

01:00:11.340 A,

01:00:11.500 I know that

01:00:11.920 you've just

01:00:12.240 stolen that,

01:00:13.100 obviously,

01:00:13.680 and you can't

01:00:14.180 signal banning

01:00:15.000 the Muslim

01:00:15.320 stuff,

01:00:15.940 but you've

01:00:16.360 just stolen

01:00:16.900 this.

01:00:17.720 But also,

01:00:18.740 look at the

01:00:19.300 clownishness of

01:00:20.780 reform at this

01:00:21.680 point.

01:00:22.420 So you have

01:00:22.920 Zia Yusuf,

01:00:24.080 a Sri Lankan

01:00:24.720 Muslim,

01:00:25.340 who's like,

01:00:25.720 I'm going to be

01:00:26.260 the protector of

01:00:26.920 Britain's Christian

01:00:27.540 heritage.

01:00:28.380 And then Sweller

01:00:28.900 Braveman,

01:00:29.480 a Buddhist who

01:00:30.280 is married to

01:00:30.760 a Jewish man,

01:00:32.180 clapping him

01:00:32.920 on,

01:00:33.080 going,

01:00:33.260 yeah,

01:00:33.500 yeah,

01:00:33.660 we're going to

01:00:34.000 save Britain's

01:00:34.580 Christian heritage.

01:00:35.300 It's like,

01:00:35.520 can we be

01:00:36.600 represented in

01:00:37.300 our own

01:00:37.620 politics,

01:00:38.060 please?

01:00:38.820 I mean,

01:00:39.120 it would be

01:00:39.480 nice at some

01:00:39.960 point.

01:00:41.000 Is it possible?

01:00:42.280 And it's going

01:00:43.020 to happen one

01:00:43.680 way or another,

01:00:44.380 and I'd just

01:00:44.840 rather it be

01:00:45.460 done the

01:00:47.020 nice way.

01:00:47.740 Well,

01:00:48.000 yeah,

01:00:48.140 obviously.

01:00:48.900 But why do

01:00:49.360 we have to

01:00:49.660 have a bunch

01:00:50.000 of non-British,

01:00:51.640 ethically British

01:00:52.300 people,

01:00:52.660 you spell a

01:00:53.000 way,

01:00:53.280 Sweller

01:00:53.540 Braveman,

01:00:54.300 of reform

01:00:55.340 MPs and

01:00:56.780 personalities,

01:00:58.160 is the one I

01:00:58.940 personally like

01:00:59.640 the most,

01:01:00.320 because she's

01:01:00.700 actually the

01:01:01.040 most right-wing

01:01:01.720 of them all.

01:01:02.620 When the

01:01:03.780 identity question

01:01:04.580 came along,

01:01:05.080 she was like,

01:01:05.380 I'm not

01:01:05.820 ethnically British.

01:01:07.460 You know,

01:01:07.680 it's like,

01:01:08.000 yeah,

01:01:08.520 but why do

01:01:09.360 we have

01:01:09.820 ethnically non-British

01:01:10.880 people?

01:01:11.280 Because that's

01:01:11.660 what the

01:01:11.900 Blairite paradigm

01:01:12.580 permits.

01:01:13.560 Yes.

01:01:13.900 That was always

01:01:14.840 why Farage loves,

01:01:15.880 oh,

01:01:16.040 give me the

01:01:16.440 ethnic minorities,

01:01:17.660 look at me

01:01:18.000 being presented,

01:01:18.760 oh no,

01:01:19.180 none of those

01:01:19.640 stinky white

01:01:20.280 British.

01:01:21.120 Because,

01:01:21.740 I mean,

01:01:22.460 he can't stand

01:01:24.000 the idea of

01:01:24.540 being called a

01:01:25.000 racist and will

01:01:25.740 run a mile.

01:01:26.720 And if he can

01:01:27.400 find a brown

01:01:28.460 person to say

01:01:29.260 something based

01:01:30.020 that satisfies

01:01:30.740 his base,

01:01:32.360 then yeah,

01:01:34.140 yeah,

01:01:34.380 welcome aboard.

01:01:35.020 Because you

01:01:35.760 can say it

01:01:36.380 and I won't

01:01:37.420 get called

01:01:37.720 racist.

01:01:38.360 Just stop

01:01:39.180 caring about

01:01:39.900 what they

01:01:40.820 call you,

01:01:41.240 Nigel.

01:01:41.580 I mean,

01:01:41.780 literally,

01:01:42.120 Rupert Lowe's

01:01:42.500 position,

01:01:43.000 I don't care.

01:01:43.640 Yes.

01:01:44.420 And that was

01:01:45.420 when I knew.

01:01:46.340 Yeah.

01:01:46.520 that was the

01:01:48.180 moment that

01:01:48.720 he is our

01:01:49.240 Esau,

01:01:50.140 whatever it is.

01:01:50.960 He's our

01:01:51.260 Trump.

01:01:51.700 Yeah.

01:01:52.400 And a properly

01:01:53.320 British version

01:01:54.080 of Trump.

01:01:54.540 Yes.

01:01:55.600 I just don't

01:01:56.740 care.

01:01:57.300 But you see

01:01:58.220 the point,

01:01:58.680 the problem

01:01:59.200 though,

01:01:59.460 is that this

01:01:59.940 is what the

01:02:00.300 Blairic paradigm

01:02:00.860 is.

01:02:01.180 How is this

01:02:01.660 not just a

01:02:02.240 replacement?

01:02:03.640 This should

01:02:04.000 be,

01:02:05.020 a hundred

01:02:05.760 years ago,

01:02:06.220 this would

01:02:06.460 have been

01:02:06.680 the Archbishop

01:02:07.480 of Canterbury

01:02:08.160 who would

01:02:08.820 have come

01:02:10.120 from Norman

01:02:10.740 stock or

01:02:11.600 something,

01:02:12.020 you know,

01:02:12.220 a thousand

01:02:12.580 years ago,

01:02:13.500 you know,

01:02:14.440 with various

01:02:15.500 other normal

01:02:16.760 just white

01:02:17.540 British people

01:02:18.140 saying,

01:02:18.620 no,

01:02:18.720 no,

01:02:18.860 we are,

01:02:19.200 of course,

01:02:19.560 I mean,

01:02:19.760 this wouldn't

01:02:20.180 have come

01:02:20.480 up,

01:02:20.700 but like,

01:02:21.400 you know,

01:02:21.720 we have to

01:02:22.320 look after

01:02:22.680 Britain's

01:02:23.220 Christian

01:02:23.560 heritage.

01:02:24.180 But now

01:02:24.540 it's a bunch

01:02:24.860 of foreigners

01:02:25.340 doing it.

01:02:26.040 So I don't

01:02:26.400 know if you

01:02:26.680 got this,

01:02:27.420 but Rupert

01:02:29.640 did actually

01:02:30.060 lay out what

01:02:30.780 the immigration

01:02:31.360 policy was.

01:02:33.100 And I did

01:02:33.960 reach with it

01:02:34.380 and just say,

01:02:34.700 look,

01:02:34.780 there was

01:02:35.000 absolutely

01:02:35.520 nothing on

01:02:36.080 this list

01:02:36.680 that would

01:02:37.620 not have

01:02:38.120 been considered

01:02:38.840 so boringly

01:02:39.940 obvious 40

01:02:40.800 years ago

01:02:41.460 that no one

01:02:42.460 would have

01:02:42.720 even thought

01:02:43.440 to say it.

01:02:44.000 And if

01:02:44.180 somebody did

01:02:44.680 say it,

01:02:45.460 every politician

01:02:46.320 of every

01:02:46.720 political strike

01:02:47.400 would have

01:02:47.600 just gone,

01:02:48.320 yeah,

01:02:48.560 of course.

01:02:50.420 Wouldn't have

01:02:50.920 come up.

01:02:51.340 Yeah.

01:02:52.100 Wouldn't have

01:02:52.360 come up.

01:02:52.620 It would have

01:02:52.720 just been

01:02:52.960 business as

01:02:53.420 normal.

01:02:54.200 But this

01:02:55.220 is the

01:02:55.480 thing,

01:02:55.740 right?

01:02:56.100 And this

01:02:56.480 is the

01:02:56.860 problem that

01:02:57.400 reform will

01:02:58.580 always have.

01:03:00.000 You have

01:03:00.620 Swella

01:03:01.120 Braverman,

01:03:02.160 Indian

01:03:02.480 Buddhist,

01:03:03.440 her Jewish

01:03:03.900 husband,

01:03:05.200 posting a

01:03:06.200 picture of

01:03:06.740 the Sri

01:03:07.120 Lankan

01:03:07.520 Muslim,

01:03:08.120 saying reform

01:03:09.300 will put

01:03:09.720 the British

01:03:10.140 people first.

01:03:11.780 The most

01:03:12.020 sacred duty of

01:03:12.640 any government

01:03:13.020 is to protect

01:03:13.560 its people.

01:03:14.320 If you were

01:03:15.260 shown this

01:03:16.040 out of context

01:03:16.960 50 years ago,

01:03:18.200 did we get

01:03:19.340 conquered?

01:03:20.800 Yes.

01:03:21.220 Are we being

01:03:21.780 occupied?

01:03:22.660 Yes.

01:03:23.020 Where are the

01:03:23.660 British people

01:03:24.480 in this

01:03:25.320 party?

01:03:26.720 This is like,

01:03:28.040 I mean,

01:03:28.440 I'm probably

01:03:28.940 overstating it a

01:03:29.880 bit,

01:03:30.100 but it's a

01:03:30.460 thing that

01:03:30.800 lends to

01:03:31.340 mind.

01:03:32.100 It's like

01:03:32.540 two shepherds

01:03:33.680 discussing

01:03:34.220 lamb welfare.

01:03:35.860 Very much,

01:03:36.340 yeah.

01:03:37.020 And don't get

01:03:37.360 me wrong,

01:03:37.540 I'm sure

01:03:37.760 the shepherds

01:03:38.160 want the

01:03:38.480 lambs to

01:03:38.800 be very

01:03:39.560 well taken

01:03:40.000 care of,

01:03:40.580 but there's

01:03:42.580 still a

01:03:42.920 power.

01:03:42.980 I mean,

01:03:43.260 what happens

01:03:43.580 to the

01:03:43.820 lamb at

01:03:44.140 the end

01:03:44.340 of the

01:03:44.500 day?

01:03:44.780 Well,

01:03:44.940 exactly.

01:03:45.720 But it's

01:03:46.480 like,

01:03:46.680 sorry,

01:03:46.900 there's

01:03:47.060 something

01:03:47.260 truly

01:03:47.840 inauthentic

01:03:48.480 about this.

01:03:49.520 If you're

01:03:50.300 like a

01:03:50.640 British

01:03:50.880 patriot,

01:03:52.440 are these

01:03:53.060 the people

01:03:53.720 you want

01:03:54.420 in government?

01:03:54.920 And the

01:03:56.140 answer is

01:03:56.440 no.

01:03:57.320 The whole

01:03:57.560 thing looks

01:03:58.000 like a

01:03:58.320 faragist

01:03:58.960 grift.

01:04:00.100 Because like

01:04:00.580 you say,

01:04:00.900 he's like,

01:04:01.300 oh no,

01:04:01.600 my immigrants,

01:04:03.240 my minorities

01:04:03.800 to protect

01:04:04.300 me from being

01:04:04.640 called racist,

01:04:05.820 but now I

01:04:06.260 need to put

01:04:06.580 the right

01:04:06.880 wing gloss

01:04:07.600 over it.

01:04:08.440 And I'm

01:04:09.780 not,

01:04:10.140 by any

01:04:10.460 means,

01:04:10.700 a hard

01:04:10.900 line on

01:04:11.180 this.

01:04:11.340 I'm not

01:04:11.680 looking to

01:04:12.160 deport

01:04:12.520 Zaya

01:04:12.940 Yusuf,

01:04:14.400 Raul

01:04:14.620 Braverman,

01:04:15.180 or

01:04:15.480 Soella

01:04:15.760 Braverman.

01:04:16.580 Because as

01:04:17.880 far as I

01:04:18.260 know,

01:04:18.620 none of

01:04:18.860 them have

01:04:19.120 any

01:04:19.400 connection

01:04:19.720 to the

01:04:20.040 rape

01:04:20.200 gangs.

01:04:20.980 And they

01:04:21.520 all work

01:04:21.880 for a

01:04:22.100 living,

01:04:22.600 and they

01:04:22.940 pay the

01:04:23.280 tax.

01:04:23.480 I have

01:04:23.700 no issue

01:04:24.020 with any

01:04:24.380 of them.

01:04:24.880 And they've

01:04:26.180 all integrated

01:04:26.900 themselves into

01:04:27.600 the British

01:04:27.960 community.

01:04:28.640 They have,

01:04:29.160 and I'm

01:04:29.760 perfectly fine

01:04:30.360 with all of

01:04:30.760 that.

01:04:31.200 It's just

01:04:31.560 that for

01:04:31.940 me,

01:04:32.760 if I

01:04:33.100 moved to

01:04:33.480 another

01:04:33.660 country,

01:04:34.200 I would

01:04:34.580 not join

01:04:35.320 its

01:04:35.940 political

01:04:36.440 system

01:04:36.920 because

01:04:37.360 it's not

01:04:38.420 for me.

01:04:39.260 It's not

01:04:39.660 mine.

01:04:40.340 Yes.

01:04:40.860 Because I

01:04:41.220 mean,

01:04:41.320 I've

01:04:41.900 always said

01:04:42.200 if I'm

01:04:42.700 going to

01:04:42.840 retire

01:04:43.120 in another

01:04:43.620 country,

01:04:43.980 which I

01:04:44.240 won't,

01:04:44.560 but if I

01:04:44.900 was going

01:04:45.260 to,

01:04:45.720 I'd probably

01:04:46.120 choose a

01:04:46.460 nice Greek

01:04:46.880 island.

01:04:47.580 I happen to

01:04:48.040 love the

01:04:48.360 climate,

01:04:48.800 I happen to

01:04:49.120 like the

01:04:49.360 culture.

01:04:49.720 You wouldn't

01:04:49.900 run for

01:04:50.180 president of

01:04:50.980 bloody

01:04:51.180 Greece,

01:04:51.560 would you?

01:04:51.900 Exactly.

01:04:52.620 And that's

01:04:53.860 the point.

01:04:54.280 Why should

01:04:55.320 we not be

01:04:56.180 represented in

01:04:56.940 our politics?

01:04:58.140 It's not that

01:04:58.580 I think these

01:04:58.920 are ill-meaning

01:04:59.980 people either.

01:05:01.160 I'm sorry,

01:05:01.780 you're just not

01:05:02.120 the appropriate

01:05:02.660 people for the

01:05:03.540 moment.

01:05:04.920 And what's

01:05:05.620 really interesting

01:05:06.180 is,

01:05:06.880 look at the

01:05:07.320 branding.

01:05:08.220 Right?

01:05:09.160 Notice how

01:05:09.720 Nigel,

01:05:10.520 they've changed

01:05:11.040 their branding

01:05:11.520 to,

01:05:12.640 well,

01:05:12.940 it looks very

01:05:13.620 much like

01:05:14.240 the sensible,

01:05:15.860 authentic,

01:05:16.600 old-style

01:05:17.460 branding of

01:05:18.400 Restore Britain.

01:05:19.740 He was the

01:05:20.740 sort of clownish

01:05:21.480 circus-like

01:05:22.360 MAGA branding.

01:05:24.260 Reform will

01:05:24.920 fix it,

01:05:25.540 which is Jim

01:05:26.020 will fix it's

01:05:26.780 slogan,

01:05:27.400 but all right,

01:05:27.800 whatever.

01:05:28.540 And now it's

01:05:29.540 very boring.

01:05:30.500 It's just white

01:05:31.080 text on a black

01:05:31.640 background,

01:05:32.720 leader of Reform

01:05:33.640 UK.

01:05:34.440 It's like,

01:05:34.760 sorry,

01:05:35.200 we can see that

01:05:36.020 you're stealing

01:05:36.580 everything about

01:05:37.500 Rupert.

01:05:38.540 We can see

01:05:39.820 you're stealing

01:05:40.580 his policies,

01:05:41.540 you're trying to

01:05:42.040 steal his

01:05:42.440 gravitas,

01:05:43.680 trying to steal

01:05:44.060 his seriousness,

01:05:45.100 but because

01:05:45.860 you're so

01:05:46.400 inauthentic,

01:05:47.340 it doesn't

01:05:47.880 land.

01:05:48.580 And he's

01:05:48.960 stolen the

01:05:49.380 font just

01:05:49.780 to be on

01:05:50.020 the safe

01:05:50.300 side.

01:05:50.660 And he's

01:05:50.960 stolen the

01:05:51.360 font.

01:05:51.820 He's

01:05:52.000 stolen

01:05:52.140 everything.

01:05:52.700 It's like,

01:05:53.020 sorry,

01:05:53.700 this is you

01:05:54.560 panicking.

01:05:55.400 And they even

01:05:55.920 sound exactly

01:05:56.700 like us as

01:05:57.360 well.

01:05:57.900 Listen to

01:05:58.340 this and

01:05:58.880 tell me,

01:05:59.400 I mean,

01:05:59.620 we've seen

01:06:00.420 this already,

01:06:01.100 but we haven't

01:06:02.040 watched the

01:06:02.420 clip.

01:06:03.060 Tell me if he

01:06:03.600 doesn't just

01:06:03.980 sound exactly

01:06:04.460 like me.

01:06:05.120 Net migration

01:06:06.360 into Britain

01:06:06.840 averaged about

01:06:07.880 30,000 people

01:06:09.840 a year.

01:06:11.020 The Labour

01:06:11.600 government

01:06:11.940 decided to

01:06:12.760 open the

01:06:13.180 doors, all

01:06:14.580 in the name

01:06:15.100 of diversity.

01:06:18.140 And the

01:06:18.740 Conservatives,

01:06:20.080 especially under

01:06:21.320 Boris Johnson

01:06:21.980 with the

01:06:22.420 Boris wave,

01:06:23.800 opened up the

01:06:24.360 doors unconditionally

01:06:25.860 in a way that

01:06:27.940 no longer could

01:06:28.660 the argument

01:06:29.120 be made

01:06:29.760 that immigration

01:06:31.120 was good

01:06:31.560 for the

01:06:31.800 economy.

01:06:32.840 Since Boris

01:06:33.560 Johnson became

01:06:34.140 Prime Minister,

01:06:34.680 it is very

01:06:35.340 clearly bad

01:06:36.520 for the

01:06:36.920 economy.

01:06:38.000 And goodness

01:06:38.540 knows what

01:06:39.080 the long-term

01:06:39.640 cost of the

01:06:40.400 Boris wave

01:06:40.880 is going to

01:06:41.240 be.

01:06:41.580 Some independent

01:06:42.200 experts reckon

01:06:42.880 it could be as

01:06:43.360 high as

01:06:44.240 200 billion

01:06:45.780 pounds.

01:06:47.040 And let's be

01:06:47.720 clear, nobody

01:06:49.180 in Britain has

01:06:50.460 ever voted

01:06:51.480 for a government

01:06:52.120 that promised

01:06:53.600 mass migration

01:06:54.700 into our

01:06:55.420 country.

01:06:56.440 Nobody has

01:06:56.960 ever been

01:06:57.260 asked about

01:06:58.360 this issue.

01:07:00.140 OK, this is

01:07:02.060 all my rhetoric.

01:07:03.060 It is.

01:07:03.380 It is.

01:07:04.220 But I've got

01:07:05.500 something else

01:07:05.860 to add to

01:07:06.200 this.

01:07:06.580 When I was

01:07:07.060 watching that,

01:07:07.520 I was trying

01:07:07.780 to watch it

01:07:08.240 in parallel

01:07:09.240 tracks in my

01:07:10.560 left and right

01:07:10.960 hemisphere.

01:07:12.220 One half I was

01:07:13.000 listening to what

01:07:13.540 he was saying

01:07:14.020 and I agree

01:07:14.640 with the point

01:07:14.980 you make.

01:07:15.840 The other half

01:07:16.440 I was just

01:07:16.940 watching that

01:07:17.340 with the

01:07:17.580 sound off

01:07:18.160 and looking

01:07:19.620 at the facial

01:07:20.120 expressions.

01:07:20.660 Now, you know

01:07:21.020 when you've

01:07:21.280 lived with a

01:07:21.660 woman for a

01:07:22.100 long time,

01:07:23.140 you just need

01:07:24.020 to look at

01:07:24.480 her face and

01:07:25.020 you know what

01:07:25.740 she's thinking.

01:07:27.160 It's a bit

01:07:27.720 like, I haven't

01:07:28.220 lived with

01:07:28.820 Farage, but I've

01:07:31.500 seen Farage up

01:07:32.740 on the screens

01:07:33.140 for 35 years.

01:07:34.100 I know when

01:07:34.620 he's jubilant,

01:07:35.340 I know when

01:07:35.720 he's cock-a-hoop,

01:07:36.440 I know when

01:07:36.820 he's feeling it

01:07:37.700 and that whole,

01:07:39.080 I mean, if you

01:07:39.440 just play any

01:07:40.540 bit of that

01:07:40.980 with the sound

01:07:41.480 off, that is

01:07:42.720 a man who

01:07:43.260 feels like

01:07:45.600 he's up

01:07:46.980 against it.

01:07:48.720 This basically

01:07:49.540 looks like an

01:07:50.200 employee who

01:07:50.960 knows he's

01:07:51.380 about to be

01:07:51.820 made redundant.

01:07:53.300 Yeah.

01:07:53.740 Yeah, yeah,

01:07:54.100 it is.

01:07:54.800 It is.

01:07:55.280 And his

01:07:55.740 entire demeanour

01:07:56.860 is grim.

01:07:59.480 The spark has

01:08:00.360 gone out from

01:08:00.760 behind the

01:08:01.120 eyes.

01:08:03.080 The last

01:08:03.760 election, go

01:08:04.340 back and watch,

01:08:05.120 in fact,

01:08:05.420 randomly, some

01:08:06.360 of the audience

01:08:06.840 do this,

01:08:07.600 randomly go back

01:08:08.320 and find a

01:08:08.880 clip of him

01:08:09.440 just after the

01:08:10.300 last election

01:08:10.860 and look for

01:08:11.320 the spark in

01:08:11.860 the eyes and

01:08:12.760 then watch this,

01:08:13.620 the spark has

01:08:14.400 gone.

01:08:14.960 He knows that

01:08:16.960 it's slipping

01:08:17.300 away.

01:08:18.520 And you can

01:08:18.980 pause it on

01:08:19.360 any frame and

01:08:20.040 see it.

01:08:20.460 Yes.

01:08:21.000 Look at the

01:08:21.500 worry, the

01:08:22.320 pensiveness in

01:08:23.000 his face.

01:08:23.560 Yes.

01:08:23.900 And this

01:08:24.080 without even

01:08:25.100 addressing the

01:08:25.920 point, like,

01:08:26.180 okay, what's

01:08:26.880 bad about

01:08:27.200 diversity,

01:08:28.080 Nigel?

01:08:28.660 Your party's

01:08:29.300 insanely diverse.

01:08:30.660 We're being

01:08:31.060 lectured to by

01:08:31.900 your diversity

01:08:32.760 about how

01:08:33.720 great this

01:08:34.780 country is.

01:08:35.760 And you're

01:08:35.980 like, oh, this

01:08:36.440 was all done

01:08:36.820 in the name

01:08:37.120 of diversity.

01:08:37.820 And you're

01:08:38.420 not going to

01:08:38.800 get rid of

01:08:39.200 them either.

01:08:40.180 You can't

01:08:41.680 distinguish between

01:08:42.360 them and us.

01:08:43.360 Like, what are

01:08:43.700 you talking about?

01:08:44.420 You are in a

01:08:44.820 position that you

01:08:45.600 are just trapped

01:08:46.540 in, frankly,

01:08:47.480 because you've

01:08:47.860 manoeuvred yourself

01:08:48.620 into it in

01:08:50.040 order to save

01:08:50.740 the Blairite

01:08:51.140 paradigm, but

01:08:51.640 things have

01:08:52.020 taken that

01:08:52.440 extra step and

01:08:53.240 it's just over

01:08:53.940 now, man.

01:08:54.800 And the thing

01:08:55.320 is, there are a

01:08:56.180 lots of reports

01:08:56.840 that things are

01:08:58.000 not going well

01:08:58.880 in the Farage

01:08:59.720 bunker, which

01:09:01.540 I've had these

01:09:02.840 sort of reports

01:09:03.400 myself as well.

01:09:04.280 But this is

01:09:04.620 Charlie Downs.

01:09:05.620 Friends inside the

01:09:07.520 party tell me

01:09:08.020 Reform HQ has

01:09:08.740 descended into

01:09:09.260 panic and chaos

01:09:10.280 last week following

01:09:11.180 the launch of

01:09:11.660 Restore Britain,

01:09:12.460 which tracks with

01:09:14.140 what they have

01:09:14.720 now done.

01:09:15.260 We've changed

01:09:15.620 our aesthetic

01:09:16.140 into sensible,

01:09:17.700 you know,

01:09:18.080 patriotic, old

01:09:19.500 fashion style

01:09:20.440 fonts.

01:09:21.080 We've stolen all

01:09:21.680 their policies and

01:09:22.780 we've decided to

01:09:23.420 come out and make

01:09:23.940 a hardline right

01:09:24.820 wing message.

01:09:25.480 Yeah, that is

01:09:26.600 indicative that

01:09:27.400 panic inside

01:09:28.240 Reform.

01:09:29.140 Absolute panic.

01:09:30.260 The messaging's

01:09:30.700 been all over the

01:09:31.200 place.

01:09:31.580 They know we pose

01:09:32.140 an existential threat.

01:09:33.060 They don't know

01:09:33.340 how to deal with

01:09:33.780 us.

01:09:34.320 Their strategy just

01:09:34.960 appears to be

01:09:35.440 just copy

01:09:35.980 Restore Britain.

01:09:37.480 Yeah.

01:09:37.620 But, if you came

01:09:42.100 out tomorrow as an

01:09:44.280 avowed feminist,

01:09:45.260 you would lack the

01:09:46.080 credibility to be

01:09:47.640 able to pull that

01:09:48.280 off.

01:09:48.660 Probably.

01:09:49.540 That's what's going

01:09:50.360 on here.

01:09:50.840 They don't have the

01:09:51.980 credibility to make

01:09:52.880 this pivot.

01:09:53.660 Yes.

01:09:54.540 And everyone can

01:09:55.240 see it.

01:09:55.460 It's very transparent

01:09:56.260 and it's kind of

01:09:56.800 embarrassing actually

01:09:57.680 to see how, oh no

01:09:59.800 no, we're not a

01:10:00.300 slopulist, MAGA,

01:10:02.160 like American style

01:10:03.180 right wing party.

01:10:03.700 No, we're very

01:10:04.120 serious, mature,

01:10:05.520 aristocratic.

01:10:06.480 No, you're not.

01:10:07.200 You're Jack the

01:10:07.840 Laps.

01:10:07.980 Last week he walks

01:10:09.040 out on stage with

01:10:09.920 fireworks and

01:10:10.900 screams.

01:10:11.860 Exactly.

01:10:12.400 Bloody confetti

01:10:14.300 coming down and

01:10:15.020 this week, no, it's

01:10:16.000 the same font on a

01:10:18.080 basic plinth.

01:10:19.160 Exactly.

01:10:19.820 And the thing is

01:10:20.360 the Conservatives

01:10:21.340 are like, well

01:10:21.620 hang on a second,

01:10:22.160 you're stealing our

01:10:23.620 policies as well.

01:10:25.640 Which, entirely

01:10:26.560 possible to be

01:10:27.560 honest.

01:10:27.940 But I mean, you

01:10:28.800 know, whoever talks

01:10:30.480 about the Conservatives

01:10:31.340 anymore?

01:10:32.560 So the other day a

01:10:33.780 poll came out and

01:10:35.360 Callum noted, the

01:10:37.900 Tories aren't even

01:10:38.480 mentioned on this.

01:10:39.280 And it was a

01:10:39.540 meme.

01:10:40.140 It was a meme.

01:10:41.100 It was the meme of

01:10:41.700 the immigrant at the

01:10:43.100 door.

01:10:43.780 And until he said

01:10:44.840 that, I hadn't

01:10:45.580 noticed that the

01:10:46.220 Tories, I've just

01:10:47.440 forgotten about them.

01:10:48.560 Right.

01:10:48.860 And I mean,

01:10:49.240 Kemi Bainock, again

01:10:50.680 downstream of

01:10:51.520 Rupert Lowe,

01:10:52.740 visited a family

01:10:53.780 farm and done a

01:10:54.480 shift on a family

01:10:55.120 farm in her

01:10:55.960 Burberry or

01:10:56.640 whatever.

01:10:57.440 What's the

01:10:58.400 jackets they wear?

01:10:59.740 I think it's

01:11:00.180 Barbary, isn't it?

01:11:00.900 Barbary.

01:11:01.540 I'm not a farmer,

01:11:02.480 so I don't know.

01:11:03.040 I don't wear those

01:11:03.460 jackets.

01:11:03.680 But, you know,

01:11:05.080 notice she's wearing

01:11:05.680 the farmer's kit and

01:11:07.000 she goes out and

01:11:07.580 does some farming.

01:11:08.600 And it's like,

01:11:09.060 okay, one, weak,

01:11:11.300 totally weak stunt.

01:11:12.600 Two, nobody

01:11:13.360 noticed.

01:11:13.840 56,000 views on

01:11:14.900 this.

01:11:15.800 Like, I get more

01:11:16.620 when I tweet out

01:11:17.400 about whatever I

01:11:18.540 want.

01:11:19.360 You know, this is a

01:11:20.140 terrible, it made no

01:11:21.400 impression whatsoever.

01:11:22.840 Them just being far

01:11:23.880 downstream of

01:11:24.920 Rupert Lowe, just

01:11:26.320 like Reforma.

01:11:27.420 They're all

01:11:28.000 downstream of

01:11:28.980 Rupert Lowe and

01:11:30.040 the Restore Party.

01:11:31.220 They're all just,

01:11:32.060 oh no, we have to

01:11:32.780 copy them, we have

01:11:33.380 to copy them, we

01:11:33.920 have to copy them.

01:11:34.640 It's like, why

01:11:35.580 wouldn't we just go to

01:11:36.520 the well?

01:11:37.360 Yes.

01:11:37.880 Why wouldn't we just

01:11:38.660 go to the authentic

01:11:39.500 thing?

01:11:39.860 We don't need an

01:11:40.640 artificial copy.

01:11:42.380 You guys are

01:11:43.440 becoming less and

01:11:44.500 less relevant as

01:11:45.640 just anything

01:11:46.860 happens.

01:11:47.780 As time moves

01:11:48.760 forward, you

01:11:49.960 become less

01:11:50.480 relevant.

01:11:50.900 And we're seeing

01:11:51.440 it in the polling

01:11:52.020 already.

01:11:52.940 So I think we can

01:11:54.000 just end this by

01:11:54.560 saying, look, I

01:11:55.240 think Blairism itself

01:11:56.120 is over as a

01:11:56.840 political philosophy.

01:11:58.180 I think actually

01:11:58.720 everyone sees that

01:12:00.480 it wasn't really

01:12:01.060 true and it was

01:12:02.320 only possible for

01:12:03.060 us to indulge the

01:12:03.800 fiction of it because

01:12:04.860 our country was so

01:12:05.720 wealthy, so

01:12:06.540 homogenous, so

01:12:07.420 settled, and we

01:12:09.180 were able to

01:12:09.940 integrate a very

01:12:10.740 small number of

01:12:11.440 migrants.

01:12:11.920 And that was fine

01:12:12.520 and no one

01:12:12.940 minded.

01:12:14.100 And then, of

01:12:14.580 course, Tony Blair

01:12:15.200 opens the floodgates,

01:12:16.660 the Conservatives

01:12:17.240 opened those floodgates

01:12:18.020 even further, and

01:12:19.200 now they're just

01:12:19.740 trying to save the

01:12:20.840 paradigm itself.

01:12:22.160 Nigel is trying to

01:12:23.040 straddle both sides

01:12:24.160 of the aisle.

01:12:25.140 He's, I mean, for

01:12:25.920 example, on ethnic

01:12:27.940 identity, how is he

01:12:29.300 different to Zach

01:12:29.880 Polanski?

01:12:31.180 If English is just

01:12:32.540 how you feel, what

01:12:34.040 do you think Zach

01:12:34.540 Polanski would say?

01:12:35.780 What does Sadiq

01:12:36.480 Khan say?

01:12:36.760 Well, I suppose the

01:12:37.660 answer is that Zach

01:12:38.460 Polanski is in no

01:12:40.020 doubt as to how he's

01:12:41.780 going to achieve

01:12:42.320 power, which is

01:12:43.420 through the Urdu's.

01:12:44.840 Sure, but he would

01:12:45.900 argue that they're

01:12:47.280 perfectly entitled to

01:12:48.380 call themselves

01:12:48.860 English.

01:12:49.380 Yes.

01:12:49.840 He would argue

01:12:50.340 that.

01:12:50.800 But Nigel Farage

01:12:51.880 argues the same

01:12:52.500 thing if they feel

01:12:53.780 it, or if they've

01:12:54.920 lived here for five

01:12:55.580 years.

01:12:56.560 Which basically, so

01:12:57.500 how can he go after

01:12:58.200 the Boris wave when

01:12:59.260 we're coming up in

01:13:00.140 five years?

01:13:00.700 They're literally

01:13:01.000 going to have been

01:13:01.440 here for five years.

01:13:02.720 And this is exactly

01:13:03.740 the same position as

01:13:04.500 Zach Polanski, Sadiq

01:13:05.780 Khan.

01:13:06.320 This is the most

01:13:07.060 radical left-wing,

01:13:08.080 this way, left-wing

01:13:09.220 position on anything

01:13:11.420 that you can think

01:13:12.340 about, really, on

01:13:13.080 ethnic identity.

01:13:13.760 What it's saying is

01:13:14.420 there is nothing

01:13:15.320 intrinsically true or

01:13:17.040 objective about your

01:13:18.680 identity, and it's

01:13:20.360 just how you feel.

01:13:20.960 It's literally the

01:13:21.400 transgender argument.

01:13:22.660 And on the other

01:13:23.180 side, he's trying to

01:13:24.920 satiate the right

01:13:26.640 and say, look, no,

01:13:27.520 I'm straddling.

01:13:28.340 I'm the far left and

01:13:29.280 the far right, and I'm

01:13:30.800 going to save the

01:13:31.320 Blairite consensus.

01:13:32.220 It's like, no, I think

01:13:33.460 that's a losing

01:13:34.100 proposition.

01:13:35.240 I think it is going to

01:13:36.120 come down to a choice.

01:13:37.560 It is either you're on

01:13:38.380 the left or the right,

01:13:39.440 and these two power

01:13:41.460 bases are only going to

01:13:42.500 grow, the center is only

01:13:43.720 going to shrink, as we've

01:13:44.500 seen over the course of

01:13:46.020 us doing these

01:13:46.440 conversations, it's

01:13:47.420 become more and more

01:13:48.300 self-evident.

01:13:48.940 And so I think that

01:13:50.620 Farage and Reform are

01:13:51.880 on to a losing battle

01:13:53.620 here.

01:13:54.140 I think they've actually

01:13:54.920 chosen ground they

01:13:56.760 can't win on, and

01:13:58.560 Rupert is going to

01:13:59.580 continue in the

01:14:00.120 ascendancy, and Farage is

01:14:02.980 going to wither away.

01:14:03.980 Well, that's why I like

01:14:04.840 your point about the

01:14:06.180 ground you want to

01:14:06.800 fight on is nativism.

01:14:09.940 Yes.

01:14:10.620 Or, as I'd say, you

01:14:12.200 know, native sovereignty.

01:14:13.340 If that is the

01:14:14.380 battleground, we win.

01:14:16.720 And Keir Starmer said

01:14:17.660 it himself, he thinks

01:14:18.340 identity is going to be

01:14:19.240 the next big issue.

01:14:20.240 Yeah.

01:14:20.580 Which is why he gave

01:14:21.240 the island a stranger's

01:14:22.060 speech, which is why he

01:14:22.960 was scared of the

01:14:23.340 flagging.

01:14:23.960 In which case, we win.

01:14:26.620 Yes.

01:14:27.120 Because you cannot have a

01:14:29.780 good faith argument as

01:14:30.860 to why the native people

01:14:32.140 of a particular country do

01:14:34.280 not have the right to

01:14:35.800 that country.

01:14:37.260 You can't make that

01:14:38.220 argument.

01:14:39.060 And, I mean, Zach

01:14:39.920 Polanski can make that

01:14:40.760 argument and call you a

01:14:41.920 racist for thinking

01:14:42.780 otherwise, but that's

01:14:43.960 not persuasive.

01:14:45.220 Like, that's going to get

01:14:45.960 a very small

01:14:46.420 constituency.

01:14:46.820 And he will get a

01:14:48.880 large proportion of the

01:14:49.700 immigrant vote and he'll

01:14:50.900 get a large proportion of

01:14:52.440 the idiot vote, but it

01:14:54.440 can go no further.

01:14:55.280 And even a lot of those

01:14:56.060 idiots, when they start to

01:14:57.320 really understand what he's

01:14:58.400 selling, a lot of them

01:14:59.700 will back away and they're

01:15:00.740 going to the Liberal

01:15:01.340 Democrats or something.

01:15:02.000 Yeah.

01:15:02.280 I mean, just as a quick

01:15:03.080 thing, the Green Party

01:15:05.220 have been like, oh, the

01:15:06.120 media is attacking us

01:15:07.140 because of Gordon and

01:15:08.780 Denton.

01:15:09.320 And if you look into it,

01:15:11.240 the media is saying the

01:15:12.340 Green Party wants to

01:15:13.080 legalise drugs.

01:15:14.640 And it's because Zach

01:15:16.460 Polanski says, I want to

01:15:17.660 legalise drugs.

01:15:18.560 And if you look at their

01:15:19.220 policy on their website and

01:15:20.260 their manifesto, they're

01:15:20.820 like, we're going to

01:15:21.400 legalise drugs.

01:15:22.460 It's like, right, so

01:15:22.940 that's not really you being

01:15:23.660 under attack.

01:15:24.560 No.

01:15:24.880 It's you realistically being,

01:15:26.040 you know, promoted.

01:15:27.160 That's factual reporting.

01:15:27.980 Yeah, so anyway, the point

01:15:31.580 being, I think that this is

01:15:33.180 kind of all locked in now.

01:15:35.220 I think that this is just

01:15:36.680 we're going to see.

01:15:37.560 That's not to say we should

01:15:38.340 get complacent or anything

01:15:39.280 like that.

01:15:39.700 Nope.

01:15:39.920 I think the direction of

01:15:40.760 travel is very firmly set

01:15:42.000 and we're just going to be on

01:15:43.800 for the ride.

01:15:44.320 Yeah, but I think that what I

01:15:46.000 think that's really ideal is

01:15:48.040 is, that's not to

01:15:48.820 的.

01:15:49.460 They're not.

01:15:50.120 They're not.

01:15:50.900 They're not.

01:15:51.820 They're not.

01:15:52.540 They're not.

01:15:52.980 They're not.

01:15:53.760 iciones Johnny.

01:15:54.200 They're not.

01:15:54.540 They're not.

01:15:54.980 They're not.

01:15:56.140 They're not.

01:15:56.680 You know, I think that's the

01:15:57.700 time they're gonna

01:16:02.460 You know,

01:16:03.400 I think that's a

01:16:03.980 like that's very

01:16:05.160 bad.

01:16:05.520 That's a.

01:16:06.360 You know,

01:16:07.960 it's very bad.

01:16:08.080 They're not.

01:16:08.800 You know,

01:16:09.880 I think that's my

01:16:10.700 story,

01:16:11.180 I don't mean

01:16:11.620 that's a

01:16:12.620 that's my

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