In this episode of Brokeonomics, Dan tries to fix the Imperium of Man, and is assisted by Samson, who happens to be one of the Emperor's most loyal servants. The problem is, he doesn't actually know what he's fixing.
00:02:28.160Yeah, yeah. So they've taken the powder, melded it down, forced it under high pressure into a mould that they've spent a long time carving out a bit of metal.
00:02:37.400And I could easily do a whole Brokeconomics just on Games Workshop because, I mean, put it this way, 10 years ago their share price was £4.50.
00:02:45.520And today it's £144.50, which meaning, and this might speak to some of you if you are, you know, Warhammer fans, that means that if 10 years ago you had a £15,000 house deposit and your woman was bitching at you, stop buying those bloody models and save up for your house deposit,
00:03:05.640if you had just ignored her, put the £15,000 into Games Workshop, carried on buying the models, you currently have half a million and you could buy your house outright.
00:03:15.940Yes. Or you could buy a lot of Warhammer models with that money.
00:03:19.280Well, yeah. I mean, obviously you would actually do that instead, wouldn't you?
00:03:21.880Because a proper Warhammer fan wouldn't have spent any of their money on anything other than the Warhammer.
00:03:26.840Yes, which is probably why this company is doing so well.
00:03:30.060But I don't think we talk about Warhammer Games Workshop on this occasion.
00:08:38.920It is impossible for a person possessed of an unaltered mind to comprehend the nature of warp space.
00:08:47.620The seething, churning ocean of raw non-matter was psychoactive.
00:08:52.640It was as much a product of the psyches of those that looked upon it as it was a shifting, willful landscape of its own.
00:08:59.920On ancient earth, there had once been a philosopher who warned that if men were to look into an abyss, then he should know that the abyss would also look back into the man.
00:09:11.880In no other place was this as true as it was the immaterium, which is another word for the warp.
00:09:17.520The warp was a mirror for the emotions of every living thing, a sea of turbulent thought, echoes, the dark dreads of every hidden desire, broken ID mixed into a raw mass of disorder.
00:09:29.200If one could apply a single word to describe the nature of the warp, that word would be chaos.
00:09:36.340So it's, and it serves a number of purposes, like you say, so it's basically like hyperspace in Star Wars, but it also has demons.
00:09:44.320Yeah, so it is this place where the rules of physics, time, space, none of that applies.
00:09:53.540Well, it does make it quite helpful because if you can travel into it briefly, then you can cross vast distances in real space and then exit the warp and now you're very, very far away.
00:10:04.540Yeah, so the imperium of man and the civilizations of man before it were using it to travel around the galaxy much faster than they would have had, would have been able to in the age of, age of terror as we are now.
00:10:19.720Because you could argue that this is actually hard sci-fi and that it follows physics rules.
00:10:42.980Which is where these sort of the men of stone, which I think is silicon, and the men of iron come in because they can travel out into space.
00:10:52.440They can take one of their STCs with them and they can set up a new world, grow some human embryos, and then you've got a new world out there.
00:11:02.500And basically they just did this and just popped up over pretty much most of the galaxy.
00:11:06.580Yeah, almost the entire galaxy completely, well not completely, almost completely unhindered by the Xenos species that currently inhabit it.
00:11:16.080Well, you see, that's where it goes slightly wrong because there are other species out there.
00:11:24.020But one of the most established ones is something called the Eldari, right?
00:11:27.980And again, to keep the lore very short, they are massive space perverts and they have kind of reached their post-scarcity utopia like a million years ago and basically just spent all their time doing orgies and sick, you know, you know, torture.
00:11:47.480I mean, basically anything to get a carnal kick, these guys were into it.
00:11:51.260And there were such massive space perverts that that thing that you said a little while ago about the warp kind of reflects, you know, well, not just human emotions, sentient species emotions.
00:12:15.340And that had a slightly unfortunate effect that made the warp far more dangerous and also caused a bit of a rift.
00:12:24.300And it had the slightly unfortunate side effect of ripping the humanities, well, both of them, the Eldaris and the humanities civilizations apart.
00:12:32.020I mean, almost completely destroying every ounce of progress both civilizations have made.
00:15:30.060Basically unites humanity on Earth and then begins his, well, soon to be called Holy Conquest across the stars to reunite this post-utopian society.
00:15:41.720Because he knows there's all these other human worlds out there.
00:15:44.580Now, he's convinced that because the mass of space perverts screwed up once before, if humanity doesn't get its shit together, something like that is going to happen again.
00:15:56.500And the only way to stop that is if humanity is united under him, and then they exterminate everything that isn't humanity.
00:16:51.980And these are absolute superhuman type beings.
00:16:56.120I mean, they're absolutely singular, apart from him, of course.
00:16:59.240And for each of them, he creates these smaller derivatives that are called Space Marines, which everyone, I'm sure, has heard of at least a bit, which are like mini versions of their Primarch.
00:17:11.320And, you know, he's got a couple of million of them, which isn't that much, but they are...
00:17:15.720But these things, even they are like 9, 10 foot tall, superhuman strength, fight for days.
00:17:22.040And basically, that's where Games Workshop come in, because they can sell you models of these things, and then you can have little battles with them.
00:17:31.120So, it was a brilliant plan, one tiny flaw, that these demigods, after a while, they look around at this and think, well, hang on, if we're so great, why aren't we in charge?
00:17:46.680And so they split into two factions, and there's another massive civil war called the Horus Heresy, and it all goes to shit again.
00:17:52.760Yes, the Emperor's favourite son, called Horus, he was at the, well, at a certain point in the Crusade, the Great Crusade, he is promoted to Warmaster, leader of the Crusade, in order to continue the Crusade across the galaxy, as the Emperor himself has some side missions to do back on Earth.
00:18:16.220Yeah, he's got stuff to do in the basement, which we won't cover today, because that would take a very long time between, yes, yes.
00:18:22.860But, some point along the way, Horus gets gravely injured, and becomes corrupted by the Warp and Chaos, and causes what we call the Horus Heresy, where half the Primarchs, who, sons of the Emperor, to betray him in a galaxy-wide conflict.
00:18:44.280Right, and basically start the second biggest conflict humanity's ever seen.
00:19:26.900Well, yes, because after the battle, when the Emperor is basically dead, they prop him up on his golden, and it's not just a golden throne, it's actually an ancient artifact of immense power.
00:19:38.480And it's powerful enough to regenerate most wounds.
00:19:42.700And if you stick a dead guy on there, it's powerful enough to basically keep him, like, 0.1% away from actually being dead.
00:20:00.260And because the entire power structure has been centred around him and him alone, for the next 10,000 years, this empire enters a state of complete status.
00:20:12.460And it gets us to the point where it's 10,000 years of utter decline, but it's still functional.
00:20:20.820This, the Horus heresy, well, the war with the men of iron, and then the Horus heresy, essentially create this weird paradigm where no one trusts the idea of innovation, the ideas of progress in anything.
00:20:38.240The economy, technology, society, everything must stay the same.
00:20:44.060Order must be kept so that bad things don't happen again.
00:20:49.240Well, and the God Emperor himself, I mean, he wasn't called that, I mean, he just called himself the Emperor.
00:21:04.920But after he dies, a religion forms around him, and that and a whole bunch of other things that we're going to talk about basically just renders this entire society completely stagnant.
00:21:17.240Because they come to believe that everything worth inventing has already been discovered, and therefore trying to invent something or innovate in any way is heresy, and you must be immediately burnt for it.
00:21:29.220Yes, because that, like, the way, how do I best say it, inventing something new could lead to the introduction of chaos into society, both figuratively and literally, and they don't want that.
00:23:31.940It's wonderful, and everybody's enlightened.
00:23:34.200But in this future, everyone is corrupt and incompetent, and there's massive bureaucracy, and everything's screwed up, and people are insensitive.
00:23:46.420Rulers are insensitive and, you know, casual with human life.
00:23:50.860And it's just – and you read it, and it just feels –
00:23:53.920It feels like the exact society we are currently living in times 40,000.
00:27:26.100And because of the men of iron thing, which they barely understand, but they do know that at some time in their past, they created AIs, and the AIs turned on and caused a massive war.
00:27:38.540And this has a generational memory effect on these people, down to the point where if you were to even suggest creating an AI, people would be so disgusted at the idea of you suggesting a thinking machine that you would definitely get burnt for that.
00:27:51.680You would be labelled a heretic, which is the Mechanicum's word for heretic, and then, yeah, burnt.
00:27:59.600So they don't have any AIs, except they do.
00:28:04.000All over, they have AIs throughout the Imperium, but they call them machine spirits.
00:28:33.800And so when they got one of these babbling machines, and it's still useful because it's still a very powerful AI, so it can still do stuff that's worth having, but they perceive it as a machine spirit.
00:28:49.600And the job of the tech priests is, when this thing spits out a whole load of garbled nonsense, the tech priest's job is to divine what the machine spirit meant by it.
00:29:23.280They're essentially a cult attempting to divine how technology works that used to prop up entire civilizations, but now they don't know how it works.
00:30:38.380So he kind of basically gave them early concessions, really good concessions early on, which means that then he died before he could sort anything out properly.
00:30:47.860So these guys have had a lock on all technology for 10,000 years, and they worship it rather than study it.
00:30:57.280So technology has gone, in fact, it's degraded quite significantly from the 30th millennia down to the 41st millennium.
00:31:06.380The machine spirits or the AIs have degraded even further, meaning that the...
00:31:10.880The tanks and weapons they were using in the Horus Heresy, so the models you can buy for that, a lot of them don't exist in the modern, well, modern 40K setting because they forgot how to make them.
00:32:12.500And they've got lots of siege engines, for example.
00:32:14.920They've got titans, these big war machines, which would be really useful to the Imperium because they are in a massive war against several alien species.
00:32:22.280And they could deploy this stuff, but instead they build a shrine around it and they worship it instead, which is, yes.
00:32:32.460On the top of some of these, the largest Imperial Walkers and titans, there are cathedrals built for that exact purpose.
00:32:40.680So, you know, imagine that, I don't know, something happened to our society and then a cult emerged who built iPhones by hand while worshipping the manual and not really understanding what they're doing.
00:32:58.160You know, the quality of the iPhone, the production speed and everything would be low.
00:33:02.020They worshipped iOS, like, 2000, whatever they are on at that point in history.
00:33:07.660They worshipped iOS 2000 as a god and prayed to it that their production of iPhones would improve.
00:34:57.240No, if anything, this office sponsors them, not the other way around.
00:34:59.800I was going to say, the amount of money we spent today when you're buying those custodians and me buying this giant Tyranid thing, that probably paid the bills for the next month.
00:35:22.680Now, the reason I mentioned the first book is because there's a scene early on in that where somebody gets a bit carried away and starts saying the emperor is a god.
00:35:32.300And he gets the shit kicked out of him by a whole bunch of guys.
00:35:35.100He's like, what the hell are you saying?
00:35:38.620Yet by 10,000 years later, if you even hint that the emperor isn't a god, he goes the other way.
00:35:44.060So the ecclesiarchy, and I mean, you described it to me, is that in the 41st millennium, they're all religious fanatics, and that's putting it mildly.
00:35:57.260The entire modern 40K society, 10,000 years after the emperor's death, everything revolves around worship to the emperor and protecting humanity through the worship of the emperor.
00:36:10.240The most common phrase anyone will say in any book is, if they're on the imperium side, is the emperor protects.
00:36:36.400And through that, actual miracles occur.
00:36:42.300And through some of these miracles, which are probably just things by, well, people speculate when he died, when the emperor died, he became some kind of semi-warp god.
00:37:04.480And a sizable amount of the population.
00:37:09.340So the ecclesiarchy is actually by far the largest faction in 40k, much larger than what we're going to talk about next, the imperial guard.
00:37:18.740Because so many people are driven into such frenzy, but they become pilgrims and they just spend their life traveling around.
00:37:25.040And entire planets are essentially reconstructed into cathedral worlds, where the entire planet's economy revolves around praying to the emperor at one specific cathedral.
00:37:39.900And there are entire kilometer long avenues of just statues that are lying there in tribute to fallen imperial saints.
00:37:49.260Like, literally every cog of that planet's economy goes towards keeping the church on that planet afloat.
00:38:00.800Now, this is bad economically for a number of reasons.
00:38:03.880If you've got a huge percentage of your population who want to do nothing all day apart from pray to the emperor, you're not getting an awful lot else done.
00:38:12.020And praying is the least of what they're doing.
00:39:58.640You can go into it and expect to come out somewhere, and you've actually come out either sometime in the past or the future or, you know, somewhere else apart from where you were to be.
00:40:08.460We will explain this later on when we cover the warp.
00:43:23.120I need a tithe of about a million men because we're going to go and fight battle against some orcs on the opposing planet.
00:43:29.440And, yeah, they will just randomly conscript a million people from a population and go, here's a helmet, here's a lasgun, run at the enemy.
00:44:45.820But the point is, when they do accidentally come up with a base of veterans, rather than using them as training to get the next generation of guys to come through to increase the effectiveness of the guard, they just disband.
00:44:57.740And most of the time, they don't even get that far.
00:44:59.460So, very basic reforms of the Astra Militarum would have a force multiplier effect, orders of magnitude more effective than the space marines.
00:45:09.320Because actually, the vast, vast, vast majority of the fighting done by the Imperium is done by the guard.
00:45:22.340A company of space marines is probably one of the rarest things these people will ever see.
00:45:27.280When a single space marines appears on a battlefield, it is absolutely game-changing due to how powerful they are compared to a conscript who's just been handed a lad's gun 20 minutes ago.
00:45:43.280In fact, I use this as an opportunity to jump off and just give some sort of sense of scale of this universe.
00:45:49.400Because the thing you've got to understand with 40k is the vastness of it, the absolute vastness of it.
00:45:55.480And I thought I might illustrate this for an example.
00:45:58.000So, one thing people sometimes like to do with sci-fi is imagine a crossover.
00:46:01.660So, let's imagine a crossover where Superman turns up in the world of 40k and for whatever reason, he goes a bit dark and he's disgusted by it and he decides to go to war with the Imperium.
00:47:02.220And eventually, he would get fed up with his underlings coming to him saying that they're having to reorganise tithes or tithes haven't turned up or whatever it is.
00:47:13.340And once Superman has destroyed, like, I don't know, several hundred worlds, maybe a thousand worlds,
00:47:18.460a report might get sent back to the High Lords of Terror.
00:47:22.440And one or two of them could possibly skim-read it, but there's no way they would discuss it in council because they've got bigger concerns.
00:47:28.240Yeah, there are more important things to talk about than a couple of hundred worlds being destroyed.
00:47:33.480But eventually, this mid-level bureaucrat would think, oh, well, we're probably going to do so.
00:47:36.680So, what he would do is he would appoint a committee to investigate it of some sort.
00:47:41.180You'd get a committee together, and they would study the problem for 500 years.
00:47:46.520And during that time, they would lose their research entirely several times.
00:47:50.680They'd probably come up with a solution once or twice and then lose it, or they would try and deploy it, and the ship it got deployed would just get lost.
00:49:32.820There are some units, as you said, that do get a little bit of notoriety, but most of these are forgotten.
00:49:41.680Well, if you've got an army a trillion strong, you're going to accidentally have some good units.
00:49:44.900You might have one planet, like the forces of Kreeg, who have figured out cloning, and they clone soldiers instead of conscripting them, and that's probably better.
00:52:16.340Well, actually, no, actually, before I do the Inquisition, I will just mention on the Guard and the Navy, this sounds very wasteful, but I should point out, I mean, they have actually got a lot of wars to fight.
00:53:13.780They got very friendly with the various warp gods, like Slaanesh or Khorne or Nurgle, and they've reappeared at various points of time going, we want to do some nasty things.
00:55:26.160Which are planetary-sized, giant, tyranid spore ships.
00:55:30.680From the way they've been described, presumably they're immediately granted asylum and given preference in two-tier justice and all that sort of stuff.
00:55:38.240Well, how they usually work, if they don't just throw themselves onto a planet and rampage immediately, the Imperium has gotten somewhat good at repelling that.
00:55:46.940What they'll do is they'll infiltrate society by slowly dispersing themselves amongst the local populace and slowly corrupting them one by one and turn...
00:58:55.160The Inquisition are a group of people whose sole purpose is to essentially root out heresy or chaos
00:59:01.600or anything that could go against the order, anything that could go against the will of the Holy Emperor and exterminate it before it even has a chance to propagate itself.
00:59:48.600In fact, you often find a, you know, a junior Inquisition member, you know, like in the Soviet times where the best equipped men would not be the men on the front line.
00:59:59.620There'd be the men just behind the front line who shot the men on the front line if they weren't fighting hard enough.
01:00:05.040It's basically that, but just a bit more, a bit more extreme.
01:00:08.860Except it's not, they're not doing it out of a sense of corruption like the Soviets were.
01:03:51.240I was told by someone in chat on the podcast today, which I did check.
01:03:54.560There are entire planets or hive cities that are dedicated only to farming bees for their wax to make the purity seals for space marine and others' armor.
01:04:07.020Entire planets that are getting to making singular components.
01:05:27.700A thousand of these specialist psychic ability users are harvested from planets daily to essentially be ground up into energy to keep the emperor alive.
01:05:38.540So the tithe system, massively bureaucratic, inefficient, and it strangles it.
01:05:43.500And so even if, you know, everything we talked about so far, the bulk of the ecclesiarchy and the witch hunts and the burnings and the inquisition, any possible economic growth, even if it wasn't being strangled by the mechanicum because of tech heresy,
01:06:02.320that everything else is being taxed away to oblivion.
01:07:16.740Well, basically, because it's such an incomprehensible mess, and that's putting it lightly, to travel across it, trillions of resources in every capacity are wasted because people die because they blink in the wrong way in the warp.
01:07:38.420It's the most efficient but worst way to travel across the universe because you just die for the most trivial reasons.
01:07:43.980The resources needed to travel across the warp is pretty nutty anyway because basically it's a similar thing to holding together the Emperor.
01:07:54.220They need about several thousand psychos to power the astronomicon to even let people navigate the warp, and that's hard enough as it is.
01:08:02.820As we said, ships can go missing for 10,000 years because they went past the wrong warp storm in the warp.
01:08:08.840What's the best analogy in real life to the warp?