FREEMIUM: Brokenomics | The Santa Interview
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Summary
In the wake of the Piers Morgan interview, I thought it would be a good idea to take Father Christmas down a peg or two. In this episode, I really take him to town on some of his more problematic behaviour.
Transcript
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Hello and welcome to Brokernomics. Now I have recently watched the Nick Fluentes Piers Morgan
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interview and I saw that and I thought that is the sort of hard-hitting interview that I want to do.
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I want to take difficult toxic figures and I want to bring them down to size myself and so in the
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vein of that what follows is an interview that I recently recorded with Father Christmas where I
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really take him to town on some of his more problematic behaviour. I hope you enjoy.
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So Santa Claus, welcome to Brokernomics. Well thank you and thank you very much Dan.
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May I say as an almost 2,000 year old demigod, omniscient and also basically as omnipotent as I
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am, may I say that it is a genuine pleasure to be in your company. There is nothing more that I like
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after a hard week of making or delivering toys to sit down and watch the latest episode of Brokernomics
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and you really are quite splendid. Well thank you very much Santa and it's very kind of you to say
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that but I have to tell you I'm going to be pulling no punches in this interview. I don't want this to
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be an ambush but I do want to get under the skin of some of your more problematic behaviour and look
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the thing that's been worrying me Santa, I think the core issue why so many people take issue with you
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is because you know if you're told you must believe something or lose belonging you know that's
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probably not knowledge, that's not decent and moral, that's obedience and I put it to you that
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believing in Santa is probably your first real training in socially required belief. You know it's
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you don't believe it because you're true when you're a child, you believe it because the adults
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demand that you do and basically any sort of belief that is enforced by threat of exclusion, that's not
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truth, that's about conformity. So what you're saying is Dan that in a free society truth doesn't
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need enforcement, only dogma does. You know if belief comes wrapped in let's say a bit of career
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blackmail or social punishment it's basically Santa for grown-ups. Well yes that I mean I suppose that
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is what I'm saying. I'm saying that you know children get presents for pretending that Santa is real
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and you know how can we explain this? Well okay ho ho ho. Adults get social acceptance for pretending that
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elite narratives are real. You know the reward changes but the the mechanism doesn't and I put
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it to you that maybe the real coming of age moment isn't what you learn that Santa isn't real,
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it's when you realize that half the things that adults repeat aren't real either. That is the real
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Santa test. Well now hang on a minute Santa, I can't have that. You're pushing back. I think
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you're protesting a little bit too much. I mean quite frankly you're just a fake guy with a beard
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aren't you. Who are you to be lecturing me on this and how our modern world works? Oh show some bloody
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respect boy. Look I'm 1700 years old and I've seen some nonsense but your century, your century right,
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takes the biscuit. Back when I started this the big debate was about whether oranges counted as a
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luxury and now you're arguing if men can get pregnant. Look in my day if believing in me was
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considered childish. Don't you expect it to believe that knives commit crimes on their own?
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Why don't we go through all of your screwed up beliefs in your age and you tell me which is the
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more fantastical? Oh well uh yeah yeah I suppose I suppose we could do that Santa. Um where do you
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want to start and um you know I'll just riff off what you uh what what what do you say? Well let's start
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with this then. But answer me this. Why is fertility collapsed? You know people are freer than ever and
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women have more choices and prosperity you would think would increase family formations. Yeah
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everywhere where this social model dominates the uh the opposite is happening. You can't explain the
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contradictions in your own society. Look if the elite world view maximizes well-beings
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why are people choosing not to reproduce within it? And if the future is bright why does nobody want
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to bring children into it? And if fertility uh you know why does fertility collapse the fastest amongst
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the most educated? Those most immersed in their ideology? Explain that. Uh yeah gosh you've um yeah
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you've got a good point there Santa. Um but still you know as you say you know you're a bit of a dinosaur
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you're 1700 years old but you know at least in the modern age is quite prosperous isn't it? Well yes
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again it all goes back to the uh the set of uh elite beliefs that you expected to believe these days. So
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you know we're told that innovation is accelerating and we're told that tech will transform everything
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and that human capital is their greatest asset. But explain this to me Sonny. Why is productivity in
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the West been flatlining for two contradictions? And how do you explain the contradiction that
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you know how can a society with more graduates more bureaucracy and more regulation how can it produce
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less if the lies that you're being told by your elite figures are true? You know why is it the most
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credentialed economies are the ones generating the least tangible value? And how does a knowledge
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economy produce declining competence and rising costs? You know the truth is that your elites they can't
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say the obvious that growing layers of regulation credentialism compliance and HR overhead have
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throttled productive work. You know I navigate the world by starlight. You lot have google maps and you
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still get morally lost all the time. I know whether you've been naughty or nice but even I don't track
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behavior as aggressively your bloody smartphones do. And my elves can make miracles I tell you that lad
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but we can't fix your NHS data system. We can't fix your border control data system. That's beyond us I'm afraid.
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Yes yes fair point Sansa. I have to concede to you on that one. What about immigration? That's something
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we look at on Lotus Eaters quite a lot. Do you have anything to say on that? Oh do I have something
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to say on that? Yes I absolutely do. Look your elites they claim that diversity automatically
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strengthened societies and they claim that you know integration is natural and that cultures are
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interchangeable. But by every metric crime welfare dependency and parallel communities say the
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opposite. You know if all cultures are equal you know why do some create functioning societies and some
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do not? If integration is automatic why is it weakest where migration is highest? And if groups all behave
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the same why does crime education and statistics diverge on it so thoroughly predictably? Truth is they can't
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acknowledge the cultural biological differences without breaking their worldview. Well yes Sansa again
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good points I can't really argue with any of that. So is this why you feel that social trust is
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disintegrating? Well absolutely that is what's happening. Look they believe that diversity increases empathy
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and that social engineering produces cohesion and that shared narratives are unnecessary for a well-functioning
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cultural community. Yet societal trust destroys fastest in exactly where diversity and ideology are
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strongest. It produces a set of contradictions you can't explain. So look if multiculturalism strengthens
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trust why do diverse societies become more atomized? And if identity doesn't matter why is everybody getting
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predictably more tribal? You have the emergence of something like seven to ten openly Islamic MPs in the UK at
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this point? The white British are becoming more resolutely tribal with their retreat to reform in the Lib Dems,
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the most identifiably English of the parties. You know if identity doesn't matter that wouldn't be happening
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would it? And look if your institutions are so benevolent why is it that nobody trusts them?
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Their world view you see it depends on pretending that humans are blank and fictionless you know
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interchangeable units. Reality I'm afraid says otherwise and I'm here I'm the man here to tell you that.
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Well yeah yes I mean again all good points Santa. Is this why you think that you know young people are
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becoming so depressed and anxious? I mean is that it? Well that is exactly what I think. Look
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they assert that modern society is the safest and kindest and most enlightened that it's ever been and
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that you know freedom from narrow confines of identity increase happiness and they claim that all oppression
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has been defeated. Yet young mental health issues are skyrocketing and again it sets up a series of
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contradictions that your system simply cannot explain. You know if liberalism is the cure why is it the
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most liberated generations are the most miserable? And if technology connects us all why is loneliness
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epidemic? And if removing boundaries makes people happier why do young people feel so
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directionalist? I'm telling you boyo that the elites of your world they've created a world view that removes
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meaning, belonging, hierarchy, purpose and ritual and they can't admit that all of those things were
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essential and always were. Gosh Santa yeah you've given me a few um a few points to ponder on that but
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uh but look you know we today we've got you know um you know great infrastructure we've got skyscrapers we
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got um you know fast trains and everything you didn't have any of that back in your day did you you
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know we at least we win on that. Well true enough you uh you went through a fairly impressive phase there
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for a while but uh i think you're safely past that at this point yeah again your your uh fairy tale
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elites they tell us that uh you know that we're richer than ever GDP numbers prove that uh they they
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tell us that state competence has never been this high and that big government is efficient yet bridges
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crumble trains fail the grid falters water systems rot so explain these contradictions to me if the state is
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competent why can't it build anything on budget on time and if regulation protects quality why does
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every project become a decade-long farce and if the public public sector is as noble as they claim why
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does it produce the worst outcomes at the highest cost with declining productivity rates again look what's
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happening is that their world view confuses process with outcome and money with competency
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uh yes yeah yeah you make you're making a series of good points there sounds i can't i can't really
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argue with any of that but uh okay look at look at it like this then um you know at least education
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access to information is the highest that it's ever been you know back in your day you know people
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believed in all sorts of superstitious nonsense didn't they well again very quickly you get into
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a series of contradictory beliefs you know they they will tell you the literacy is rising and that
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increased funds it's always about increased funds they they improve results and that um inclusion
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enhances learning it's all about inclusion and equity and i forget the other one diversity something
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like that um every child could be gifted is what they claim you know that's why um every time they
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get an influx of um new children on the boats you know they they say they can be architect uh architects
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and engineers and doctors and and so on but you can't explain these set of contradictions
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why is it that standards fall every year despite rising budgets
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why do universities churn out activists but fewer competent professionals who are able to take over the
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tasks from the retiring generation and why does every reform in the educational sector lower expectations
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their world view treats education as therapy and it's a series of
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di rituals it's not skill formation nothing productive is happening here well yes fine i mean i i i i i'll give
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you that santa but um you know back in your day you were you're burning um you know wood and and um
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peat from muddy bogs and um you know at least we have clean reliable power and energy infrastructure
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these days it must have been horrific um you know back in your day no really well let's go there shall
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we you know why not you know um you know they claim that um renewables they could they can replace
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everything and that uh net zero is painless they say and green tech produces jobs and fossil fuels are
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outdated you'd explain this to me why are the grids destabilized
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why is all this capacity being built out and why is all this energy saving products being rammed into
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your house left right and center getting rid of incandescent bulbs and having leds everywhere and
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everybody's got double glazing and yet your energy bills keep growing faster than inflation
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why is industry relocating out of europe hmm the blackout risk is growing it's a series of
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contradictions if every green transition makes you poorer and less industrial clearly it is not a
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growth industry and why do emissions rise after renewables expand and why do the elite support
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transition while relying on private jets and diesel bloody generators hey clearly they don't leave it
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themselves they can't admit that their climate models ignore physics uh well thank you santa i mean
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again a devastating series of points i probably probably should have prepared for this interview
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better because i didn't realize it was going to go this badly but uh okay okay look how about this how
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about this right um these days um you know we've got sophisticated anti-crime methods um you know back in your
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day if you didn't see it being done people got away with it you know that's something that we've got
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well let me tell you a thing or two about that back in my day if you got caught thieving that your hand
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cut off you know you didn't need to catch them all to provide a powerful disincentive when that's being
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done but your modern elites again they believe a set of fantasy notions they believe that punishment
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doesn't doesn't work they they insist that the criminals themselves are the victims they believe
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that the police unbelieving they think the police causes the crime and they push for them to be defunded
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they believe that communities heal themselves yet explain this to me why does every leniency reform
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increase crime and if criminals are victims why do their victims increase when they are treated leniently
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and released or not even jailed in the first place and if police presence causes crime why do crime rates
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explode when the police are defunded and if prisons don't deter why does removing jail time increase
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offense offending consistently across the data you know their world rule simply rejects basic human
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nature uh yes blimey um well i i can't deny that you're probably right about all of that as well but um
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you know i come back to the fact that we've got a much more sophisticated economy no yes don't don't
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get me started on economics your fantastical elites your mythical bloody elites right they believe that
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that the borrowing is investment they believe the state cannot go bankrupt they think that
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deficits don't matter and that growth will pay for everything in their make-believe economic models
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yet debt curves resemble exponential spirals of failure and explain these contradictions to me then
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if debt doesn't matter why do they fear the bond market so much if government spending creates wealth
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why do countries consistently get poorer as spending rises and if the system is stable why is there a
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budget crisis every every time we have a budget crisis it's worse than the last one
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their worldview is confused consumption with investment uh god yeah okay fine yeah okay you look you've got me
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all on that um fine i i i i i i throw it back to you how did we how did we end up in this situation
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because look i mean i quite frankly i can't believe i'm sat here taking lectures from somebody who is
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clearly a man in a fake beard and yet you're giving me a hard time about the world that i live in
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when we're expected to believe that you live in the north pole surrounded by bloody elves and that you ride
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reindeers and you deliver billions of presents every bloody christmas day i mean surely out of the two
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of us is you're the one who's living in a fantasy land so dan you're grilling me on plausibility
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a man who flies a sleigh pulled by magical reindeer through the sky and you're grilling me on plausibility
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but let me run you through a few things that you're expected to believe as an adult let's start
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with economics shall we you're expected to believe that you tax your way to prosperity that you can
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print your way to wealth that you can borrow forever with no consequences that you can import
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millions of dependents and you can increase your gdp per capita you're expecting me to believe that you
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can run an energy system on the weather you think you can spend your way out of inflation that you can
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raise minimum wages indefinitely without pricing out labor you're destroying your industrial base and
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your energy base and you're expecting productivity to rise you'll replace working families with welfare
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dependent immigrant spending and you're calling it growth and you think that i'm the one operating on
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fairy tale logic really my toy production has been in surplus for the last 17 centuries and your
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governments they can't manage a budget past february you know the elves run a zero tax system with full
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employment try that in britain and your bond markets revolt and the imf would be all over you
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and even in the even in the north pole we know that you can't borrow forever you know we tried it
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once ended badly and we learned from our lessons something that you never do and i'll tell you one more
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thing i deliver toys for free and even i understand that you cannot print your way to prosperity
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my workshops full of elves run on cookies and goodwill
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and it is still more realistic than your modern monetary theory which most of your elites and
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uh yes answer uh yeah i've i've got to say you kind of got me on that one as well um
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but look i'm i'm sorry i'm i'm really struggling with this you're clearly not uh some sort of you know
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mythical um demigod being you're just a bloke in a bloody fake beard doing this to try and get cash
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somehow or other uh how how am i expected to believe this you can't expect me as a man to go
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along with this nonsense oh you want to talk about men do you creature of modernity that you are right
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let me tell you what you're expected to believe about men you're expected to believe that that
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masculinity is toxic that competitiveness is a pathology that uh ambition is dangerous
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unless it is channeled through left-wing ideology you know you're told that male loneliness is
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relevant and that fatherhood is optional and that men are a threat unless proven harmless which is
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probably the worst state for a man to be in you're told that male depression and aggression is a sin
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male excellence is suspicious unless it's diversity approved and that boys don't need discipline they
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need therapy and more long housing a society can shame its men and still expect them to function
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as if they were respected at least i never told boys they were a problem let me tell you this i have
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delivered 1.2 billion presents in my day and not one time has a boy asked me for puberty blockers
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now you may think that my red suit and hat is is a little bit unrealistic but your belief that fathers
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aren't are optional is madness uh well well well yes i mean granted the the way that modern society
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treats men is is is is is a bit rum i mean i'll give you that santa well quite so but it's not just
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the uh it's not just the illusions around men that i find troubling uh the narratives around women are
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equally concerning to me you know your governing elites tell you that women are happiest in cubicles
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that uh that they can replace family with careers and there's going to be no trade-offs to it
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that childlessness is empowerment that post 40 fertility is infinite as long as you manifest it
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hard enough that daycare is equivalent to a mother that every pay gap statistic is the result of
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discrimination and not choices it's not a question of men choosing to put in more hours or pursue their
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career ahead of other goals no no it's just discrimination every time we're also told that
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you know um all emotional instability is afflicted by men we're told the hookup culture is liberation
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and that women benefit from rejecting marriage and motherhood biology is a myth unless it supports their
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victim narratives look i've been married to the same woman for over millennium at this point try
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pitching that on a modern dating app mrs claus she runs the kitchen feeds the reindeers and manages the
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elves she never once demanded that i deconstruct my patriarchalism uh yes well uh i again i i can't really
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argue with any of that uh what's the north pole stance on immigration out of interest oh immigration
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yes my my favorite um the list of things that you're supposed to believe on that is is longer
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than my naughty list you know you're expected to believe that importing people from collapsed states
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automatically enriches you that your culture doesn't matter that that crime that rises after an
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immigration wave isn't caused by immigration even though it's obvious to a child that it is
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are you expected to believe that diversity increases cohesion and the integration is guaranteed
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even when the newcomers explicitly reject your values but demographic replacement is a conspiracy theory
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and people think that i'm in believe unbelievable for godness sakes you know the welfare state can
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survive open borders clearly this is absolutely fantastical nonsense that migrants fleeing failed
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countries will somehow transform your country to the better and i'm supposed to be the one that's made up
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you're expected to believe that parallel societies are your fault and that remigration is immoral
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regardless of the behaviors displayed by the migrant horde when they are here you know i go down
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chimneys once a year and people have difficulty believing that but your ideology asks people to believe that
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all of these things are somehow believable it's nonsense and i tell you there is a little bit of elf
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migration i will give you that but it works because they learn the language and they fit in with the culture
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hammer toy productivity and if they can't meet that standard they go back yes uh i must say you've got me on
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that one as well i i've i've i've got to say since i'm starting to regret my my attempt to take you
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down and get you cancelled now oh we're talking about cancellation are we well uh your modern cancellation
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culture is something that i find absolutely fascinating you know you're expected to believe
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in order to maintain your job in order to remain part of polite society you are expected to believe
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that men can become women by declaration you're expected to believe that children can consent
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to permanent medical changes that race doesn't exist but racial guilt does that western civilization
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is uniquely evil for some reason that history must be rewritten to protect modern sensibilities
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netflix knows exactly what i'm talking about on that one you're expected to believe that speech is
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violence and and violence is protest that that that jokes are hate crime and deserve putting people
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in jail for that you know equality of outcome is justice regardless as to how much effort and merit they
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brought to those respective roles in the first place that that national identity is fake and can be a
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awarded by a piece of paper by your administrative uh operation in charge of your nation but but but
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gender identity that's sacred what and you're you're also expected to believe that by a lot biology is
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optional you know when i started this job children got oranges or coal now more adults can they get moral
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lectures i've watched the the the the rome fall and you know byzantium vanish and the ottomans rise but
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nothing collapses faster than the ideological narratives of your ruling elites i have lived through every
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empire and yours is the first to believe that truth changes when somebody gets offended and furthermore
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don't let me even get started on your criminal justice system you know criminals are victims and victims
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are privileged that that prison is cruel and criminals are misunderstood that that shoplifting doesn't
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matter as long as it is below a thousand dollars you know the punishments don't deter that the police
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cause crime simply by existing that the releasing criminals causes a reduction in crime that the
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broken families have no impact on behaviors that knife crime is is simply something mysterious that
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cannot be tracked down to its root demographic causes that the gangs are just misunderstood that's
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going to be fixed by more youth centers you know in my system naughty kids get coal in yours they get
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community funded rehabilitation bloody yoga you keep lists i abolish them you think i'm harsh for giving
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coal you let people run around with machetes and you say that lack of bloody taxation did it and then of course
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there's the whole belief that your schools are fine standards can fall forever and that represents
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progress somehow that everybody should go to university that the grades should reflect emotions that
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discipline is oppression that excellence is equity teachers shouldn't correct behavior that boys failing
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is patriarchy is patriarchy and they need to watch a bloody netflix documentary to sort themselves out
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you know schools produce activists in this day and age that reading books that weren't written
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through the lens of woke ideology is harmful in some way and as literacy declines you're producing these
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poorer results and yet you just lie to yourself by redefining the standards
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once upon a time a child would be delighted to get a bloody orange and now they're upset at the ipad
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storage isn't at least 256 gigs i used to deliver toys and now i've got the other day the british government
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wrote to me insisting that i had to deliver gender affirming experiences what the hell is that
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kids used to write letters to me asking for wooden trains and now they're being
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being pushed around by their teachers to write in letters asking for political rights
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uh yeah yeah again santa uh i i i feel like i'm actually getting i'm getting the absolute stuffing
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knocked out of me in this interview this isn't going how i how i intended at all but um
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um but but look it it comes back to the fact that that you're flying around on a bloody magical sleigh i
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mean and and you're arguing that we should we should find you more believable than than everything else
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oh yes you want to get onto that do you well i'm telling you this is where your grown-up modern world fairy tales
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really take the biscuit you know you're expected to believe that weather dependent grids can power
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civilization that the banning fossil fuels and sanctioning russia won't raise energy prices
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that nuclear is dangerous but lithium mines with african children mining them are somehow virtuous
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you're you're told that private jets don't count towards missions and that net zero is cost free
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you're being told you need to eat bloody insects with a puff piece out of huffington
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poe every every so often you know the the green jobs are supposed to materialize from from nowhere
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in short you're expected to believe that physics will adjust to politics now you may tell me that
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flying reindeer implausible but they follow the rules of physics more closely than your green energy policy
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does you know my sleigh can travel all the way from from london to birmingham in a few minutes
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your trains can't manage that without catching fire you know and you might say okay find a reindeer
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with a red glowing nose is a bit silly but but not as silly as thinking that a bit of weather will
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recharge your energy grid let me sum this up for you dad your modern world is more of a fantasy
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than i am you know you're told that humans are blank slates that tribalism is taught that it is
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not deeply innate within you that people can be made equal by banning certain speech that bureaucracy
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is somehow going to replace community and that those bureaucrats can fit out a bit of paper and add
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another englishman from bermalia you're expected to believe that the state loves you and that tradition
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tradition that made all of human society function and people happy for thousands of years you're now
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expected to believe that that is oppression but marriage is optional that hookups are healthy
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that children don't need stability that consumption is meaning
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freedom is dangerous and that you must be given guidelines and mandates to keep you safe
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i tell you that that that elf labour is more productive than your entire civil service
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and they don't even strike elves make millions of toys a year and your government can't deliver a
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passport within three months my workshop actually produces things dan when was the last time your
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westminster produced anything at all oh my god this is this is not gone the way that i i thought it was
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going to be i i i i thought i was going to have you here and expose you as as a fairy tale um and i i've just
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i've just completely had my ass handed to be on my own show this is this is an utter humiliation for me
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uh please stop the beating dan my lad believing in me is optional but believing in the dogmas of your
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mythical age are mandatory which of us is the cult hmm my story asks for a bit of wonder a bit of marvel
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a bit of christmas spirit but yours asks for obedience now you might think you're very sophisticated
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because you stopped believing me in an eight but you are expected to believe your government
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and your ruling elites lies until the day that you die between us there's only there's only one of us
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here that actually delivers on christmas day and it's not your chancellor it's not your county council
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it's not your eu it's not your deep state it's me i'm the one who gets things done
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and ho ho ho people think that i'm the unrealistic one it makes far more sense to believe in me than
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it does to believe in your modern world yeah okay center um thank you very much for coming on you're