Gay Dancing at the End of History
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Summary
In this episode of Political Chats, Dan and I discuss the events of the weekend, including the far-right Tommy Robinson march and the counter-protest against it, as well as the general election result and the Labour Party's collapse.
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Hi folks, welcome back to another one of Dan and I's political chats, which I guess is the official name for this now.
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Today I wanted to talk about the events of the weekend, because actually they were very interesting and honestly kind of embarrassing on all sides.
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I quite often don't check Twitter at all at the weekend, so I may not have any idea what you're talking about.
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That's good, because I want this to be a surprise.
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I am not expecting good surprises in British politics, so that's fine.
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It is a fun surprise, but also it reveals the sort of profound threads of inauthenticity
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that tie together all of British politics that happens in the kind of
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It's all genuinely quite embarrassing and inauthentic.
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Now, we're not really going to be talking that much about the Labour Party
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because, of course, no one cares about them anymore.
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And this is indicative of where the paradigm is going.
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So over the weekend, you had a half-million-man mark.
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Our estimate is now that there are half a million people on this demonstration.
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The biggest demonstration ever against the far right,
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Just to catch me up, what is it that they were...
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no no okay particular policy no in direct party yeah right or individual or group just the concept
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of the far right now the police came out and estimated there was actually about 50 000 people
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uh but they're prone to doing down numbers like they do the tommy robinson march where
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i think there was probably at least half a million perhaps a million yes and they were like oh it's
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120 000 it's like well okay so i mean let's say it was half a million well by tommy's estimate
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it was three million it is so you know who knows but the point is you can see there's a titanic
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shift that's underpinning british politics right yes labour and the conservatives are collapsing
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to the point where they're completely irrelevant and half a million people just spontaneously come
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out onto the streets because we're just against those guys over there and the tommy march well
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except they can't name who those guys are over there or if there are any guys over there they're
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just out protesting a concept they're protesting a concept but i think they would ascribe lots of
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people to it rather rightly or wrongly yes right uh and so they they would say we're just we're
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against those guys uh but those guys seem to have far greater numbers than we do uh because of course
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when the tommy rally comes out it's much bigger than this uh and tommy's going to be holding
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another one of these in may it's probably going to be enormous because it's not like the problems
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have gone away uh and so you can see that there's just the the shifting of like the the tectonic
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place or the sand of politics is going to settle in two different areas but i should just point out
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that a lot of people and i i might be amongst and would consider tommy robinson to be a
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milktoe centrist sure but yes perception yes in the mainstream i mean jacob reese mogg was on a
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podcast the other day where he laughed at the idea that there's anything further to the right
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than tommy robinson is in his mind and that's jacob reese mogg um there's nothing further to
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the right than tommy he represents the totemic far right in the mainstream mind and so they
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obviously think of tommy robinson as the totemic far far right okay uh now you know what we think
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of it no matter that's what they think of it right so and and just say i like tommy you know i'm not
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i'm not one of those people who's an ideological purist uh but there are a milk toe censorist
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he's okay i'll give him that yeah yeah yeah but that that doesn't really matter so anyway um you
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know they were at this march i mean that is a lot of people oh yeah you know that's that's a lot of
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people and zach polanski and hannah the plumber were both there so were they the ones organizing
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it um well you know i'm not sure who actually organized it okay so they like i couldn't actually
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find that to be honest uh but maybe the organizers were also a sort of amorphous entity a bit like
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the far right well that's you know what that's a that's a that's a great point because this is
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the the best possible shot you could get of it right where they're standing on a stage looking
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normal with a big crowd behind them yes that looks great do you want to see what it was actually like
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when they were on the stage yes i'd love to see that yeah okay you you won't see this now i'm
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probably going to tell off the sound for copyright reasons um but you can see them uh dancing around
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with uh leather clad men now we had to get samson to log in on his personal twitter account
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to see this because twitter had age restricted this
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so i mean this this looks like the cbb's doing a section on bdsm
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that's a that's a very accurate description of what this looks like and the other thing is
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i mean presumably the people in the crowd would consider me to be one of the people
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that they're against oh absolutely i look at that and i think good
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i would be quite disturbed if if any of the people lining up for this liked me
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yeah um yeah exactly here's another here's another shot from the front
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we'll turn the sound off again just yeah yeah exactly like if if you guys weren't against me
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i would think i was doing something wrong yeah we are very firmly in opposition uh here uh
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i don't want this right i don't want this being the government i don't want this being the people
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in charge of the education system i don't want this being the people in charge of anything
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yeah uh and so um and just to be clear look i don't particularly dislike the gays no behind
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closed doors in your own home be as gay as you like sure max the gay okay but
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i mean this kind of gayism where they kind of dress up in whatever the gay version of slutty
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is yeah like like i'm i'm i would tag myself as as one of those heterosexuals myself but i still
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wouldn't want to be on stage in a bunch of girls in like slut costumes no no i wouldn't especially
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if i was holding a massive political rally yeah i think i think particularly at a political rally
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Yeah. So the question that a lot of people had who aren't already supporters of the Greens are, what the hell am I looking at? This is a party that's currently about 19% in the polls. It's ahead of the Labour and the Conservative Party in the polls, reliably polling higher. And you've got their bright new star Hannah from Gorton and Denton and Zach Polanski gay dancing on the stage.
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and this appeals massively to young people, apparently.
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Like, Tommy Robinson has to canvas his own supporters
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30 or 40 grand to put on one of these big events.
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like vivian westward and various other people have got like 300 million pounds to their network
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oh that's a better answer than i i if you hadn't said that i would have just assumed it was the
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british government who's paying for this well honestly it might be i don't know yes i don't i
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can only i don't know i mean until the us aid thing i suppose the other option would be the
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us government maybe maybe it's still there i don't know great point um i don't i don't know either
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but the point is they have them they're big rich backers as well as the other parties so all of
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the rhetoric about oh you're just funded by the rich you're funded by the rich all political
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parties are funded by the rich it's just you've got rich hippies like and they have rich people
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who are business owners business who manage a suit exactly but all parties are funded by the
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rich so let's let's knock this off you know knock this on the head but uh but another another point
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that i couldn't help but notice is what what happened to the diversity lads because if we get
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this up you notice that yes that is a sea of white faces right there isn't it i mean i'm doing the
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sort of where's wally thing or the where's um i can't think of an african name right now
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you kemi or whatever i don't know kemi yeah um i can't see one yes so far this looks a lot like
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the glastonbury festival well i mean that is just white people isn't it well except on stage
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there we go look at that in that entire sea of people i get a gold star so yeah but but that's
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the point this looks like just political glastonbury right it's very white middle class
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and wimpy left-wing politics yes they're just like yeah we've got a simple answer it's the
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rich who are destroying the country it's like really it's that simple is it why would they
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want to anyway uh so it's kind of embarrassing to be honest the whole thing i think i mean i
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see this as total cringe and i wouldn't want to be associated with it in any way uh i guess
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other than being their enemy which is fine but this this was a big deal to them right because
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what this was in the same way the tommy rallies are a kind of uh morale raising exercise this is
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a morale raising exercise for the greens right this says no but there are actually lots of us
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and at 20 in the polls or whatever they're at there are actually a lot of them right and it's
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very vibes based and zach polanski has also pulled the rupert lowe stunt of i don't care actually we
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don't care about what the mainstream says he's recognized i do like that bit yeah yeah i he's
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recognized that the dying consensus has lost all of its power and so rupert lowe being like i don't
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care if you call me a racist zach polanski's like i don't care if i'm wrong about everything
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like he doesn't care because actually that doesn't matter yet that'll matter when there's
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food shortages and rolling blackouts and rich people have fled the country and everyone's
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impoverished and well i i know what their policies will be when we come to that point of course we
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do it'll be all of the same policies that they have now they're just doubled down on all of them
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exactly and they'll just become more tyrannical so right it'll become like literally the soviet
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union the the berlin war i mean we're not far from that now no we're not terribly far from it
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but zan polanski is just going to accelerate that condition and when they don't get the money they
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expect to get in and when people are in active revolt against them and things like this but
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the lessons of history will just come flooding back right the 20th century is replete with
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communist regimes doing exactly these things blaming exactly the rich people for being the
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problem and we've seen it we've played it right it's just a kind of tribute act just a really gay
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race communism this time rather than just communism you know but we've been down this road and we know
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where it goes but like i said this is a morale raising exercise for them uh in the same way that
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the tommy rally was a morale raising exercise for the right i think i'm more worried about
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gay race communism than just communism well yeah obviously i mean at least the old communists have
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this decency to be socially conservative right yes but these these ones are just embarrassing
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in public like i don't want these people in charge of anything um anyway so you had uh
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stella creasy tweeting this out now what's interesting about stella creasy is well she's
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a labor mp and she's going to lose her seat to the greens so she'd do a defection soon or something
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like that because uh you know she's saying oh look people of all ages and backgrounds dancing
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along in the cold sunshine of march is magic don't tell rupert lowe um sorry it's not people
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of all ages and backgrounds it's very much middle-aged middle class public sector employees
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probably mostly nhs working yes yeah exactly is you know the total fiction that they tell
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themselves but their own these are all from a specific demographic yeah and that's interesting
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isn't it they're all from a specific demographic but the green party is not a specific demographic
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the green party oh i see yes yes i see where you're going now yeah yes are you you okay i've
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finally alighted upon your point i don't see mothin alley on that stage why don't i see
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mothin alley you're right on that stage the the socially conservative islamic win of green party
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was not seen on stage next to the dancing gay...
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Weird that he had something else to do that day.
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I mean, this is half a million Green supporters
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And Moth and Ali just happen to have something else to do that day?
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Imagine if you could have got the Islamic wing of the party
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i mean look at the palestine four million well exactly combine the palestine marches
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with the mobile gay show and why didn't they well
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i think i know the answer but how do i put it sensitively um because the the latter half
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would have the former half shot if they could yes although they're probably wait until the
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day after the election to do that rather than the day before because what the greens are
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feeling themselves to be is a marriage of convenience.
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You've got the left-wing student communists who are like,
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yeah, we just want to gay dance at the end of history.
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And you've got the, and you remember the clip of like,
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You've got those people who decided to stay home
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because I don't want to go to the gay dancing at the end of history.
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We're the Islamic party who have a mission to Islamize the entire world
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And, of course, Zelensky himself, or if I'm getting his name right, Polansky, Polansky himself.
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I mean, he's really doubling up here because he's Jewish and gay.
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And in league with the Islamic social conservatives.
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Which block is a growing constituency and which one...
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And which one will tolerate the other when the demographics shift in their favour?
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Yes, it's a different answer for each part, yeah.
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So what was Moth and Ali doing while they were out gay dancing?
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Well, interestingly, he was publishing this, right?
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Now, this is a very fascinating piece of propaganda that they produced.
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So I was in London the other day, and this bloke, he comes right up to me.
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and he says, why don't you eff off back to where you came from?
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So I've got some brilliant memories of this place.
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Our little gang would be running around everywhere making noise
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and someone's mum would always be telling us off to keep it down
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because half the street was asleep after working nights at the farm.
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everyone worked there my dad too so we'll stop it there because i think we've we've seen enough
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right so first things first like you're you're dressed like an englishman mate but i wish the
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chaps on the stage could have been dressed like that that would have been better well yeah exactly
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the difference between this and the gay dancing at the end of history i also notice he's not
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twerking and swirling with nipple clamps on correct but also he's wearing the costume
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The wife and him dressed in the most sort of orthodox Islamic guard,
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Now, there are loads of Muslim countries that have banned what his wife is wearing.
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There's something about half Muslim countries have banned what she's wearing.
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no, I'm kind of a religious extremist for Islam.
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well i i guess because when he was making the point um i am a sheffield man he dresses like
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a sheffield man and when he's making the point that i am a you know a warrior for islam he
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dresses like a warrior for islam which one do you think is the more real one well if i had to guess
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i'd probably go with the not that one that one i mean he didn't turn up at the gay dancing at
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the end of history parade no he didn't so just saying i i feel that he might be more of the
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warrior for islam as well yes but i mean that's literally what the that's literally the reason
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why um the islamists have those big beards it's because in in past historic battles you needed
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to tell one side from the other yeah the muslims decided to make their uniform a big beard so they
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didn't accidentally chop the wrong guy's head off yeah but that's that's the interesting thing
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where's the photo of his mum he's got a photo of his mum that we saw about 28 i don't remember
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seeing her in the whole kind of no letterbox thing no that's the point his dad doesn't have
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the big beard either i note yeah yeah sorry it was a 21 yeah there we go yes perfect so his mum
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is not wearing the burqa his dad doesn't have the big beard so when they came to britain okay they
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still look like the bangladesh obviously but they're not so islamic that they look like they're
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completely out of place no then compare that to him and his wife they've regressed somewhat right
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the integration is going the other way they're deliberately rejecting modern western modernity
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and they're saying no no we're going back to our islamic roots apparently that's often the way
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with the second generation and it gets really bad with the third generation as well exactly
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you know so uh but because presumably his parents came here because they thought there was something
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to admire about the place yes and they they probably were working for the british empire
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and Zach Polanski is gay dancing on the stage,
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in the green party right they i can see that yeah the the the student left presumably idealistically
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saying you know the muslims are tolerating us gay dancing at the end of history and this is what
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how this coalition is going to work well they are for now that's true yeah what do you think
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the muslim contingent is like in their group chats um if i had to guess utterly i mean far
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more than we would ever be utterly scathing of the mobile gay show thing yeah they're not they're
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not fans of jews generally turns out right uh so i mean like you know views from a group form that
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straight have nazi germany i mean yeah not not i mean i don't claim to be the world's greatest
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i'm not a zionist geopolitics or history expert but i have picked up once or twice but there's
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a bit of an issue of of the muslims about the jews yeah so and also the gays here's one of
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their group chats uh where they say you know she was going to call out the people who destroyed
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her and her family they were jews and shouldn't we shouldn't be afraid to say it they were jewish
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supremacist she's using the correct description it's us who have been scared into using the word
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zionists for fear of being labeled anti-semite enough of of being scared hurting of hurting
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their feelings while they murder and bomb and starve children yes take back the narrative and
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the true meaning of the terms particularly zionism and semite and then someone at the bottom they
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are an abomination to this planet right that's sorry whose group chat is this this is a green
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party group chat this is a green party group chat yes right so not so much tolerance on that side
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yeah lots of tolerance from the gays dancing at the end of history uh the other side of the group
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chat know what they're about and know what they're doing right and you know i'm not you know i'm not
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here to judge i'm just pointing out that there is a distinct contradiction in this party that
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isn't going to last forever eventually it's going to come down to are you a gay dancing at the end
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of history or are you an ala ala ala waqbaring muslim i mean taking no view whatsoever on the
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underlying merits of either side of this well i saw it's not even an argument because the
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the gay dancers don't seem to be aware that this is a problem no but but taking no view on the
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underlying issues this side is locked in and focused that's right that's exactly the point
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isn't it one side is being completely frivolous and saying hey we're going to gay dance and have
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chem sex and whatever else they do yes and the other side is like they're an abomination to this
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planet yes like yeah locked in and focused is a great way of describing it now which which is
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the side that's again increasing and generative and increasing its constituency and which is the
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side that probably has a much higher attrition rate than the average uh attrition rate of you
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know people in the country we i mean given that you're an apostate if you leave islam and you
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will often find yourself getting killed i mean they're not they're not famous for having people
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sort of join up and then do it for a year or two and then say no thanks no uh so anyway what do
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think zach polanski's response to this was uh i'd say it was taken out of context or something or
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yeah you'd think wouldn't you yeah uh basically zach polanski uh says oh don't worry i'm i'm i'm
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the only jewish party to lead a person to lead a political party the daily mail have always been
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my enemy they historically supported fascists and continue to do so i'll take no lectures on them
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from anti-semitism now it is true the daily mail did support fascists in the 1930s and 40s well
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1930s um but that doesn't he's shooting the messenger yes that doesn't change exactly
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shooting the messenger doesn't change the fact that you are a gay jewish man
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at the head of a party that you know it's full of people who actually don't approve of gays or jews
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and so you can say i don't care i'm gay dancing at the end of history uh but i mean also you're
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not the only jewish party to have led a political person to have led a political party but that
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doesn't matter the point is you have a very large and important constituency to your party's
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electoral success as we saw in gordon and denton that actually are not huge fans of what you do
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both personally and what you are ethnically i mean quickly on the first point i mean ed milliband is
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jewish and he was leading the labor party like 10 years ago israeli was in like 1890 or whatever
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yeah so we've got i mean from disraeli to ed milliband 10 years ago and i think there's i
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think there's some other examples in between as well probably are a couple yeah it's not the most
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common thing but it's not the most rare thing either um the point being okay um you can just
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call them bad people like you said you're shooting messenger and actually it's your position and
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you're essentially uh kind of like um i feel like there's a scar on the lion king where he's like
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you know gets eaten alive by the hyenas at the end it's like sorry you know do you not understand
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who could have seen that coming yeah exactly like these aren't your friends bro i don't and you can
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say that you don't care about that because at the moment they're in line because they think they
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stand to gain something but what happens when you fail like what happens when you don't win well
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the thing that would be even more worried about what happens when you succeed even worse uh and
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so uh this this started snowballing actually because okay zach polanski and i think really
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he's being a bit tactical here right he's like okay look i need the muslims i need them as my
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core constituency and we're just going to argue against essentially the white majority of the
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country uh so i've sort of defected away from that because i mean he's he said in previous
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interviews that he grew up uh in a mostly white english school and he was teased not for being
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jewish but for being gay and then he went to the diverse areas and he wasn't being teased and so
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he found himself essentially siding with the diversity over the nation uh and so it's like
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it's still a coalition of the native people's enemies yes and he recognizes us yes i've got
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the student communists who are against the system and the country itself and i've got the islamists
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who are against the demographics of the country and i'm going to keep that stitched together and
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so i don't really care what you say now his own family have been like uh we are a bit worried
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about if he wins right so the daily mail spoke to three members of his extended family none of whom
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talked to him now they didn't name them either but i can understand why they wouldn't uh quotes
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he's currently the leader of the future islamic party of britain that's what the green party is
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fast becoming said one and there'll be no place for jews in his islamic state of britain yeah
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that's probably true that's that's a true statement yep why would you even question that
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actually um they debated a motion that was uh declare anti-zionist uh declare the green party
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be anti-zionist uh as a as a sort of racist uh movement and a lot of his jewish family are of
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course themselves zionists because they're jewish and you know there's a big overlap there you can't
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exactly begrudge them for that if i were jewish i would want a jewish state as well i mean i'm
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english i want an english state you know so i can hardly begrudge them um but the only the only
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member of the green uh of his family that's still speaking to him is his mother a third family
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member said quote the mad thing is that he's gay he's jewish but he's cozying up to those people
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whose ideology is the complete antithesis of everything that he's supposed to stand for it's
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like a chicken telling us to vote for kfc now that's his family saying that right and zach
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polanski you know went back and forth to the daily mail of this he didn't deny that they'd
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spoken to his family he said i don't take lectures on anti-semitism from the daily mail from from all
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my family or from my jewish family my jewish zionist family will give me no lectures on
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anti-semitism yeah and so you know all i'm saying is this is a kind of clownish coalition that is
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acting very clearly as a trojan horse for something that is actually deeply sinister and
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zach polanski has decided to happily wet nurse this into existence on the assumption that somehow
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he isn't going to be the target of it well i don't know i remember when clownish first started
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to get used regularly in british politics around sort of 2010 the whole kind of gordon brown era
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yeah you didn't really hear it much until then and i think that was an apt description at the
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time this this isn't so much clownish this is just i mean it's something else isn't it really
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i don't really have the words i mean comment below if you can if you've got the objectives i'm i'm
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looking for i i don't even know what you'd describe kind of i'm kind of stumped to describe
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this kind of politics it's it's a proper circus though it's it's something that's i mean literally
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it's just gay glastonbury for politics i mean the the closest i can possibly get and this won't mean
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lots of people but if if slanesh was to form a political party yes it would be this yes and
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then they'd have the corn contingent yes and they'd be like no corn contingent will happily
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tolerate this and as soon as soon as we've won the um election in in terror then we've um the
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coalition will break apart but until then forces of chaos unite exactly uh while they've got a
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common enemy they'll stay in coalition uh i don't think it's going to last forever though weirdly i
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don't think moth and alley is going to be tolerating this forever uh just until it's just
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while it's politically convenient i mean i suppose the other thing is is they will tolerate it longer
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on the basis that if if this stuff comes anywhere near their kids yeah that's all hell will break
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loose they they will not have it you're absolutely all the time it's just an infestation as long as
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it's just nurgle doing his work in the in the white population maybe they can tolerate it for
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quite a while well well exactly right so it's it's a it's a marriage of convenience as long as
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it's useful to the muslim population yes and while they say okay the whites are becoming weaker and
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more divided and degenerate that's not our problem that's their problem we're going to keep growing
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our numbers and and zach polanski's own family can see this right oh my god you know what are
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you bringing in and zach polanski said dancing like a prat on this stage with the gay dancers
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next to him it's like okay well yeah everyone can see where this road goes uh so let's have a look
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at the polls look at that the green party at 20 in the polls 20 bloody percent sat there over the
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top of the world's oldest political party the conservatives the party who won the election and
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has been a dominant force in politics since the last hundred years and the liberal democrats
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representing the sort of nice respectable but don't want to have to think too hard about
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politics party the liberal democrats and they're sitting above all of them yes the gay dancing at
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the end of history while the muslims grow more numerous behind us uh is actually a fifth of the
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electorate they're like yeah i'm just gonna go for it and honestly i think you've got to credit
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zach polanski's messaging for this right here oh yeah i mean he's doing great yeah i mean i in fact
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this this message i'd put out to all right wingers is as tempting as it is to write off and dismiss
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people like hannah spencer and zach polanski actually what we've got to be doing is understanding
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why it's working you know who they're hitting why the audience that they're hitting are responding
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to this and what could we learn from it and what is our answers to the questions that they're posing
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exactly uh what what of their messaging is good and we and and the also there's a there's an
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overlap with us like because a lot of it is cost of living yeah we're really concerned about that
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yeah i mean i mean a lot of it is as simple as they are bothering to speak about the things that
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matter to young people and they're giving them an answer now those answers are terrible and they
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won't work but at least they're speaking to them and addressing the things they want to hear about
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exactly and our answers actually are good and would work and actually be in their long-term
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benefit and not just you get a hit of ecstasy or acid at a glass debris festival the unfortunate
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thing about our answers is it's going to be incredibly painful but that's not necessarily
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bad right no it's not yes as sophie actually on the in the on the podcast put out what we're
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offering young people is the hero's journey here's the sword that you've got to go and take
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to slay the dragon now you know i think a lot of young people actually will sign up to that and
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gleefully happily thank god i have purpose thank god i can do something good thank god i can take
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the the world on my shoulders and i can actually climb to the mountain so there's actually and it's
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completely divergent from the green parties which is just essentially become extinct just dance at
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the end of history as you become extinct as the barbarians overrun the country and okay well that's
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that's a message that is you can transmit because what he's offering is a kind of uh painlessness
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right he's saying no we're gonna help you with your energy bills we're gonna rob from the rich
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we're gonna give you all this money and then you're gonna just dance away at the end of history
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until you no longer exist you're gonna like like russo's sort of flies of the summer who pass away
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without history even noticing so okay great but actually a lot of us don't want that and a lot of
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us actually want to build something worthy and the but the but the point is we can identify the
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correct issue and zach polanski has done that in cost of living in the fact that people are
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and all the general exploitative nature of the system.
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Anyone who doesn't quite understand what I'm talking about,
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go and listen to Hannah Spencer's maiden speech in Parliament.
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She talks about cost of living, housing for young people,
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all that kind of stuff, actually address the issue.
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is getting young people on the housing market, on the ladder.
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seem to have retreated from this argument completely.
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like you know like i'm totally up for a sort of gaddafi style the state will lend you like 50
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grand or whatever tax-free interest-free yes for you to put a deposit on a house so i don't think
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i don't think it's as simple as this but let me give you a thought experiment just to explain how
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a possible solution even though it's not my solution but a possible solution what we do
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at the moment is we have the nhs and we say okay when and largely it's for when people get old
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your bills will be taken care of what if we just took that money and bought every new newly married
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young couple a house and then said okay well that major bill is taken care of but you're now going
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to have to take care of that major bill at the end of your life so you you're on the ladder you've got
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a nest to to have a family a lot of your expenses have been taken away from you early in life
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make sure you're responsible enough to save for when you're old for your medical expense so it's
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What I'm mainly doing there is taking the thought experiment of instead of subsidizing that end of life and leaving you to go childless and indebted at this end of your life, if you swapped it around, would that be a better scenario?
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Like I said, I think that's a bit simplistic, but it starts to get you to thinking, we do allocate cost to cost people's lives.
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Are we doing it in the right way? Are we subsidizing the right bit?
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Now, those are the sort of conversations that the right should be having.
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what is the right balance to making sure that people's life journey is not um unduly burdensome
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and i think we've probably got it the wrong way around i agree and that and that's exactly the
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point and i think that's exactly why restore are the the current uh thing on the right that people
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are actually concerned with the because they're the old people's party exactly reform and the
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conservatives are just the pension party right and we'll get into them in a bit actually um but
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This is why Restore is actually gaining some ground across all demographics.
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I mean, I hosted the first Swindon branch of Restore yesterday,
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and one thing I noticed is a lot of men and women about our age, right,
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who are not drawing a pension, but who are on the property ladder
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So they're invested in the system and see a future, right?
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And they're like, right, we need to fix this country.
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And the tone was not black-pilled, but it was serious, right?
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You're allowed to have a laugh once in a while.
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But it was understood, no, the things are really bad
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And that was really interesting, really interesting.
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The polar opposite, the gay dancing at the end of history.
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No, we had lots of serious people asking very serious questions
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and uh it was it was really good and everyone went away after it which is really high spirits
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because you know more than a hundred of us turned up to this just local branch meeting
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and everyone left being like reno we can do something because the problem and this is why
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the the this big um uh parade was such a big thing for them it's morale boosting when you're
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in the same room you realize oh we're among like-minded people who are also going to work
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hard and actually there is a large number of us we can get a critical mass of us we can actually
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win something and we're going to win something and that's why the greens are doing so well at
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the moment they're realizing they're forming their critical mass and even if the thing they're going
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to do is horrific uh they don't perceive it that way right so they are happy and they're they're
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in good spirits and that's what like hannah hannah gorton and denton campaign where she's dancing
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around like a prat and matt goodwin's like partying it up but he could feel that he's losing yeah feel
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the energy has gone away from him she's just like yeah i can just dance because the muslims are
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oh yeah she was high spirits exactly right uh but that was what what this meeting was like everyone
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left in high spirits like no no we can just plant our feet and get to work and so this this was just
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an incredible thing to be able to do actually anyway so this this uh like i said this this
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minus two for reform again as you can see the downswing continued lots of minus twos in the
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past few weeks yeah the downswing continues uh this was from varian uh which is not one of the
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most accurate pollsters that we've seen but they're fine and the reason for this is because
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they've been prompting for the greens right because prompting on these polls gives you wildly
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different results to not but that's fine because the greens are a significant force in british
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politics and they should be prompted for but then so should all the other parties frankly
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and this is what it looks like of course when you break it down reform would require to go into a
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conservative coalition to form the government but the greens 100 seats uh brutal absolutely brutal
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even even beating the lib dems there but again the complete fracturing of the country where uh
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nobody agrees with how we should be governed what a mess yeah but i don't think it'll last i don't
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think i mean i again don't make any predictions who knows how things will go tomorrow but i think
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that what's happening is essentially a dam has been broken and so what we're witnessing as floods
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of water flowing down across levels and filling up containers and the water is flowing out of
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labor and the conservatives you can see labor on nine well the water's out of the reform as well
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well that's the thing the water is flowing out of reform too and i think it's going to settle
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in restore and the greens i think in three years time it will have settled into these being the
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two primary three years is more than enough for a transformation like that to happen absolutely
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in politics it took three years for reform to peak and start declining yeah right so three years we
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can do it with restore uh anyway here's uh the next one from find out now which as you can see
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reform on 24 which is not good there was um there was another one uh where rupert lowe was polling
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at eight percent but that was he was prompted by find out now uh but again when the prompts are
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important and i think actually should be just generally any any major party with like one like
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10 000 members should be prompted to be honest because it's just dishonest to not do that but
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anyway as you can see greens on 20 again reform on 24 labor and conservatives dead in the water
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done dusted dinosaurs nobody's interested yeah right then you have the latest you gov one
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same thing again reform on 23 no change you can complain about the you can complain about the
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the metrics the methodology mr farage but at the end of the day uh look look where you are look
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where you are you're you're in the same position each time like this is not an inaccurate like the
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polling is harmonizing down to the you gov prediction like everyone else's polling is like
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no you are on you're on go down oh you're on 25 you're on 23 and 24 yeah you're where you gov told
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you you were i mean the labor and conservatives at this point i mean something needs to be done
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about them because they're just sediment in the fuel line at this point but they are just stopping
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the mechanism that clears this getting sorted out cleanly absolutely and and things a lot of people
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are i don't want to say low information voters let's let's say low salience voters they they
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engage with politics fairly infrequently yeah conservatives and labor have a hell of a long
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time to build up a stock and support people who identify as i am a conservative i'm a label or
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whatever that that's going to have to get flushed through people who engage incredibly rarely are
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going to have people are going to have to have conversations with those friends and family
00:41:38.120
members who simply don't engage more than once every four years to kind of make them aware of
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the reality that the conservatives and labor are just they're just they're just done take a fresh
00:41:48.300
look at this scene yeah the political consensus of the 20th century is over oh yeah that's what
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that's what we're seeing so well one of many consensuses that in the process being shattered
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at the moment absolutely yeah but again greens on 19 and and this is another point that came up
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recently zach polanski is not a uh policy guy right pete north probably hates hearing zach
00:42:10.180
polanski talk right he said what do you do about anything you know you're not gonna do anything
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yes zach polanski is a vibes guy and in fact in many ways nigel farage is a vibes guy yes
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right vibes based politics is important because as you say the low salience voters voters who are
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not that interested in politics and just you know it'll come up on their feed every now and again
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but oh yeah that's all right i might vote for that guy because he's talking about the cost of living
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or i might vote for that guy because i don't like the eu and i'd like to be in the eu out of the eu
00:42:37.920
or whatever right these voters are vibes based voters and unfortunately the power of selection
00:42:43.840
is still in the electorate itself so if the electorate are not interested in highly detailed
00:42:49.480
manifestos of you know these costings and stuff like that well then you have to meet them on the
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level they're at which is the vibe oh good god that is i hate to say it so whilst i absolutely
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despise everything you've just said it's also right yes that's the problem yes so the rights
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what we need to do i mean we've got all of our ducks in a row when it comes to uh policy and
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ideology yes right is that we know it's going to be painful uh we know that so cutting off the
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dependency that big business has on legal immigration for cheap labor that is destroying
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the prospects of the working men and women of this country.
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There are going to be people who are going to be very upset by that.
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There are going to be corporations that threaten to pull out.
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There's going to be all sorts of consequences of that.
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and we know that after the initial pain, things will get better.
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But you're also saying, okay, lads, time to unroll those sleeves.
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good god and i mean you're right and people don't like it but it is true yes and so what the right
00:43:57.200
needs are essentially one line bullet points elevator pitches to explain to the average
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person that this is why we're going to help you right we're going to have to start dismantling
00:44:08.760
our memes and turning them into short sentences and then speaking to people well luckily our memes
00:44:13.380
do tend to convert into yes short sentences very easily it's just we're not actually that familiar
00:44:19.220
with doing it because we tend talking to people in the real world normies yeah basically yeah but
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i had a conversation with a normie once it was horrible i don't but i but the the point is this
00:44:30.680
is what zach polanski has done very effectively yes we're going to reduce your cost because we're
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going to persecute the billionaires or whatever he says right uh well we we we need um our own
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memetic weaponry that drills down and compresses the issue into a single sentence that is uh will
00:44:50.560
essentially wake people and go oh no yeah i know i do have something i need to do millions must go
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well that's a great one right and and this is very persuasive but i think that the right also
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needs to be clear about its economic message i know we want small we want you owning your own
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small business that's what we want we don't want you on the corporate plantation as gen x's that's
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what we've struggled our whole lives to escape that's what fight club is about yes that's what
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the matrix is about you do not get trapped on the corporate plantation it's something like
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cradle to grave self-independence or something or not not having to rely on the state or something
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yeah be your own boss start a small business we're going to support you yeah so at the moment the
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business rates are prohibitive we just had peter mcormack in he's given up a couple of his businesses
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just because it's too much work like oh god the rates are so high the taxes are high the regulation
00:45:38.740
is so high it's like yeah what are we doing we're a nation of shopkeepers you should each have your
00:45:42.780
own small business that you know you're all invested in you work hard in you make good
00:45:47.640
profit out of and that's how the country has historically prospered and when we move away
00:45:52.360
from that model look at us we're collapsing right and so that's we need to be able to say to people
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on an economic level no you are going to prosper in fact we're going to kind of force you to prosper
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because you're going to own your own thing so something like an englishman's home is his castle
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Now, I'm not saying we've got all the answers now,
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but that's the thing that we're going to have to do.
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Now, the people who aren't doing that are Reform.
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like if if working from home works then let them do it if it doesn't i mean that's the sort of thing
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that you should be saying in a and i have to quickly get this in here because otherwise we're
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getting the all caps comments we're not talking about all boomers right but it is but it is boomer
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coded yeah i get what you're saying but yeah that's the sort of thing you would see i mean like
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that green whatsapp group that's the sort of thing you'd see a boomer whatsapp group it's
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oh bad working from home all these young people they're not working hard enough they're probably
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having an avocado and toast and not giving people firm ham shakes that's probably all true um but
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the but the point is that surely is for the business itself to decide right i mean because
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otherwise obviously yes otherwise it looks like you're just defending the plantations of the giant
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corporations i mean if it was the public sector fine i mean i'm fine with yes you know all kinds
00:47:22.160
of punishments for the public sex yes but he's not talking about that he's talking about the
00:47:25.180
private sector and so it looks like he's defending the interests of big business against the actual
00:47:29.180
workers themselves which isn't good right actually i don't think big business needs
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any more defending wasn't enough during covid when they had the exclusive run of the country
00:47:37.540
and we're all locked in our houses wasn't that enough you don't know which reform never speaks
00:47:42.360
out about exactly right no we the small businesses the small business owners we need the help and we
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are the genuine people of the country we're not the serfs we are the yeoman well we are the serfs
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but yeah well yeah okay we shouldn't be but yes but the the gen x's should be um uh very very
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cognizant of this that the the the the zoomers are trying to escape the future we fell into
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this is what fight club is about this is what the matrix is about escaping the corporate plantation
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no you want to be that small business owner who just works hard for himself that's what you want
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to be that's the ideal that's the dream and that's what the rights economic message needs to be
00:48:19.360
but like i said reform are doing none of this right instead reform are wasting everyone's time
00:48:24.540
right for example taking on literal boris waivers this guy came over six years ago his name he is
00:48:32.120
an indian man called aaron roy he became a labor counselor in hartlepool which is going to go
00:48:38.020
reform and so he's just defected yes i watched your video on this on your was it a cad daily
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yeah and um this is the guy who set up a whites not welcome football club that's correct called
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mariners it's literally a bame football club and i think you played a little bit of his of his
00:48:53.020
acceptance speech and it was something along the lines of i i couldn't win anymore as a labor
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person so i started looking and i had conversations with the green but then i thought i'd probably win
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with a form so now i'm a form and then everybody in the form audience was like yeah he didn't
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explicitly say it like that but that was the undertone of what you're saying yeah the reform
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is that's how i heard it because that's what he said to me reform exactly reform is the vehicle
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the principles and politics haven't changed because i mean why would they oh yes that was
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a thing it's ethnic self-interest but none of my um principles have changed since i was originally
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attracted to the labor party but i just can't win anymore with them exactly so i'm just going to
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flip to reform and faraj is thrilled to have him yes and and that yes and that was the other thing
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that i got from it which were for faraj was so excited by this and i'm just thinking why
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just break down for me nigel why is this so good i mean i'm pretty sure if i'd set up a
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whites only football club you'd be in jail yes well okay apart from him being in jail it would
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literally be illegal i would yes i would literally be illegal and um i i basically said look i'm
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coming over from name a whatever political party and i was coming over to to reform because i think
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i could well maybe he would like the second part of the explanation but yeah but nigel would reject
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you on the fact that you're being a racist yes uh anyway so reform are really weird it's just
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oh yes who is this party for what are you promising so you're like big business
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ending working from home i'm going to defend the interest of big business and their giant
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corporate buildings that they might have to sell uh if people work from home and things like that
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and then conversely i'm going to bring in the labor that big business wanted to make sure the
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wages of the working class in britain were under attack because i mean mass immigration is an
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economic attack on the working class of the country right that's just straightforwardly true
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if during the black death the british government had the option of bringing in oh yes millions of
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indian immigrants okay if if that had happened we we would never have got parliamentary democracy
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in the first place the only reason we got parliamentary democracy in the first place
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is because the power of the individual worker went up after the black death right and they
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had to start making concessions new elites were born these elites started fighting amongst them
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amongst each other and they were like oh okay well let's instead of just having civil wars all the
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time why don't why don't we just have uh parliamentary democracy and the elites can
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still fight amongst themselves but they're fractures and then we had such a long period
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of stability that the elites uh kind of self-selected like a virus um in an uncooperative
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host and and the strain that made it to the top and we've ended up today with an elite that are
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all aligned because they all have their place in the hierarchy and now they're trying to reject
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they're trying to kill the organism that gave birth to it but yeah yeah you're exactly right
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and and in fact maybe actually that's that's a good analogy because if indian immigration after
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the black death would have stopped the formation of parliamentary democracy what is mass immigration
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from the third world stopping the emergence of today that we would all instantly recognize as a
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good thing had it come to and the answer is the economic power of the average person because
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remember in the black death wages went up something like 30 or 40 percent yes because the the there
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was a labor shortages and the yeoman we don't have peasants in bryton by the way um the yeoman
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because they were um wage laborers so they were free to go wherever they wanted they could go to
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anyone's uh land and work it uh well the lords had to pay out extra money and that became i mean
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they were literally putting a cap on the amount they were able to extort the lords for because
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they were like jesus christ we can't afford this and so as you say it caused an increasing of
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freedom amongst the regular person the increase of the power of the citizenry the the people which
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then created a middle class that then created artisans which then created the industrial
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revolution and that's how we became a nation of shopkeepers well and an industrial powerhouse
00:52:56.060
and the world's greatest empire yes it's all it all kind of connects to that but but again
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i mean yes what what's this preventing the economic development of the average person
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Which would then in turn create the new political settlement that everybody would be happy with, which is not coming into existence.
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So really, mass immigration is the way that the existing system makes sure that it lives on past its usefulness.
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It is literally retarding the social and political development of the country to the benefit of the natives.
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And to the benefit of an existing elite who have long outspent their welcomes.
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Yeah, no, we'll do everything for big business on both ends of it.
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We'll directly protect their economic interests when it comes to workers
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But then we're also going to bring in their replacement
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and keep them impoverished and politically helpless.
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Well, the most disgusting thing for me about Boris Johnson, for example,
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was, and he admitted this in interviews since, that what happened is people started coming to
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him. I mean, the financial times were won and a whole bunch of people came to him and said, look,
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during COVID, workers' wages are going up. And this means margins of big businesses are going
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to go down. And he was like, we can't have wages go up. Let's open the floodgates and get as many
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people as possible. That's why he wanted the financial times to like him, because the wages
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were going up. I have seen nothing from Nigel Farage that suggests that he is against that
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logic in fact i've seen everything to suggest that he is in favor of that underlying logic
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of keeping margins and big businesses high by suppressing the waging wages of the workers
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and i and it's it's an entirely exploitative paradigm it's entirely exploitative and it's
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against our flourishing our flourishing the british people the native inhabitants of the
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country we are being held down by the paradigm that farage is here to save well and and thank
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and thank goodness we don't we didn't have mass third world immigration just after the black
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death because we would still literally have feudal lords and bishops ruling over our lives yes and
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you wouldn't be in charge of i mean that actually sounds better than what we've got now but it
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presumably by now it'd be so monstrously corrupt that it would be utterly intolerable we probably
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would have had a french revolution it probably would have i mean then we'd be like the french
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well exactly no but then we'd be we'd be trapped in this insecure um presidential democracy yes
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i mean the french system is not one to be envied no right oh no no not envy the french revolution
00:55:31.420
at all uh and in fact it seems like a giant historical mistake and france still i mean
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macron said france is missing spiritually it's missing its king right he understands that the
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parliamentary system in france after 200 plus years is still a kind of artificial construct
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that doesn't suit the nature of the country which is why they're constantly every weekend
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out in the streets rioting so you know i don't want that i want what i want good governance
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actually because it's a shadow monarchist system and we would have arrived in that place
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had we not had the trajectory that we had so anyway reform are likely to do well in the local
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elections because the thing the way things work in britain is that uh politics is on a massive
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delay now uh yes cynical historians will say well it's about a hundred year delay uh but actually
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it's not quite that that long in the modern era right but politics is on a delay so the the next
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local elections there will only be reform and then everyone else and so the the reform party
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is going to do quite well because reform is of course uh viewed as the do we have a proper
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bar graph no no um there we go so um i mean there's still something to be said for smashing
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the labor and conservatives oh there we go there's the seat projection right so uh yeah
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So, Conservatives are going to lose 1,000 seats,
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They're not getting that overwhelming sort of thing.
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So, there's reform being perceived in the popular mind.
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We know that they're not the party of the revolution,
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i mean mind you the green support is clustered in the big cities which tend to have mayors
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yeah that's true and and these are going to be county councils these are these are local councils
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local councils but but that's fine i mean that's still you know that but what all this does is
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reinforce the points we've been making throughout this entire series of videos right the old
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consensus is dead the water of politics is flowing into new vessels and these new vessels are filling
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up fast right now the question is can nigel farage hold on to these reform counselors no
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right because i think it's entirely likely that hundreds of them end up defecting to restore
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well i've seen a bit of that already yeah well we'll get into that in fact in a minute right
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uh i think it's entirely likely that literally hundreds of these just go to restore because
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reform are not what people expected them to be uh yeah and if you are currently a reform counselor
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i can understand why you're just going to sit it out for a few weeks and then
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yeah yeah and and you know most of the people below the leadership in reform are good solid
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people who have worked really hard and really care about the issues and really care about the
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country i'm sorry that you're just being led up the garden path yes i'm really sorry that they
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the farage has essentially turned into a bit of a quizling staffed his party with labor and
00:58:29.040
tory politicians and is not i mean is going to do nothing against the system jenrich's speech
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say i'm not going to do anything with the bank of england i'm not going to do anything with the
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obr it's like what do you mean that's the what i'm i'm sure you like me i get messages all the
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time from people who are uh i don't want to call them underlings but underlings in the reform party
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they're branch chairman they're just lower in the hierarchy yeah yeah and and these guys are
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absolutely spitting feathers over the way that they get treated i mean examples like oh the one
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thing that stuck in my head was emails used to begin please and now they begin you are required
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to stuff like that here's an example that you tweeted out the other day in fact right so this
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is patrick bentham crosswell who says i've been an active member of reform since it was founded
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before the brexit party before that uh the party i joined had a clear vision of how to solve the
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country's problems uh that's how we fought the general election the professionalization of the
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party has led to take its members and candidates for granted communications once began thank you
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now more often start you you are required to the party's employees at millbank forget the branch
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officers and candidates are unpaid volunteers and so he's resigning of course from the reform party
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but this is indicative of a party that's rotting from within yeah and it's not just uh in the as
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you said this is three branch leaders in as many days but then you had um reform uk have lost their
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fourth scottish election candidate in less than a week uh because they're just not happy they're
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not being supported by reform in london they've been treated very very poorly it absolutely uh
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and it's it's really really bizarre again just really bizarre the decision making from within
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reform about why they do the things they do and we've had lots of people uh viewers uh messaging
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us to say i've been asked to stand as reform and it's like do it right stand stand as a local
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reform council have extremely low expectations no no no no yeah no no no if you're a low seated
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viewer oh right okay you stand as a reform counselor yes and then when the time comes
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we're just all going to join a store yes like seriously you know i think i think like and
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we've discussed this previously if nigel gets to about 19 of the polls i think he bounces
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and he's just like yeah i'm out i would rather quit the news i think it's gonna be nigel's
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philosophy and well as he has several times before in his yeah yes not without reason that we think
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that this is what he'll do right as as you say exactly as he's done many times before uh and
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then you're going to be left in the zia yusuf party robert jenberg party or you can come over
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to rupert lowe's party which in itself the ground game's already beginning right you know we're
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running the local branches you're free to come over to us because we know if you're watching us
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we know you're a good you know you're on side so just do it you know reform reform are getting
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desperate for candidates and just do it and you don't have to stay there forever you can come over
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to us as soon because we can't it's too soon for us to run candidates in these elections anyway
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yeah there's a lot of work i mean i can't imagine the amount of work that restore is
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is going through at the moment just to get just to get the basic framework in place it's a huge
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amount and we're all we're all pulling our weight uh so just come over when you're ready to come
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over basically is all and a lot of people from reform on the mid-tier of the hierarchy have
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already done this right well can you imagine how many reform council candidates are watching us
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right now probably quite a few quite and you know like and this is why i'm always at pains to stress
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i know a lot of people in the mid hierarchy of reform and they're all good people although this
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is why i've never attacked uh anyone below the leadership of reform because they are good people
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yeah they're not they're just doing their best and they they want this to be the vehicle and
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it's not because they want for us they just think okay this is the most they're trying to save their
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country exactly they're just good people trying to save their country and farage is the one letting
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them down it's like okay well i'm sorry to hear it but thankfully we have a substantive alternative
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now um but this this is the point about like reform they make such bizarre decisions man
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that a bunch of them were resigning right uh he'd he'd made a joke about george michael
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eight years ago now there are loads of jokes about george michael because george michael for anyone
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who doesn't uh know he was a sort of a famous politician uh famous um pop star in this in the
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80s and 90s yes famously gay i mean very talented man but then in his later years he became a bit
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of a sex pest or something and so it's the one that became the dj i can't remember being a dj
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But the point is, he had lots of controversies
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where he was soliciting men in toilets and things like that.
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And so there were lots of George Michael gay jokes going around.
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We didn't have YouTube back in those days,
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This is the only form of entertainment we had at the time.
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And so eight years ago, this guy made a gay joke about George Michael.
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There is like a 98% possibility that Farage has made a George Michael gay joke.
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They were common currency in this country a decade ago.
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So anyway, there's that on that side, which is, oh, he's made a George Michael gay joke.
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But they stand by the guy doing the literal Nazi salute for some reason.
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the the the jewish reform guy who was a psychologist who said that hitler had a fascinating psychology
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yeah he got binned he got binned so what are we doing now in this young man's defense he's a welsh
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uh candidate right um in his oh the welsh get a pass today
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main minority right i don't know he's doing the john cleese bit right he's doing the john cleese
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uh bit where he puts the finger under his nose faulty towers faulty towers yeah that's it right
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so that was a good episode yeah yeah yeah it's funny but the point is why stand by this guy
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and not this guy like they're both just telling jokes oh you know they're offensive jokes okay
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whatever i don't care i like offensive jokes right but why stand by this guy and not the other guy
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what's the rationale what's the principle that you're upholding the mood of whichever three in
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the senior leadership made the call in the split second that they were asked as they were walking
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past the staffer's desk who'd been lumped with it it's so bizarre is yes right and so it's like
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right okay i don't want this kind of feckless flighty politics right what i like about rupert
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low a lot is that he just like with zach polanski i don't care yeah i don't care so when they binned
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me when informed binned me because i was one of their candidates um the email that i got from
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was very clearly copied and pasted because it had almost nothing to do with the situation
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and it was it was just obvious that somebody had just i don't know maybe they'd macroed it they
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pressed f here's why you caused us a political issue in the media you're fired yes yeah and
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it's just that it's okay thanks thanks a lot anyway so let's let's talk about um barrage he's
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currently uh campaigning here he is being heckled at the launch of uh their london local election
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campaign uh should we watch it uh yes in the most fashionable parts of central london men now don't
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So, as you can see, they've got the boring up on the screen.
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So this is him on his, what looks like, honestly, the care home tour.
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like sorry but yeah now i look at it yeah the blue light isn't hiding the silver hairs right
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no so it's giving it a lovely accentuation actually yeah and when looking his response
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to the heckler right it's not i think you're wrong i think you're uh incorrect i don't care
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about the fact that you disagree with me yes no it's that you're boring well that implies that
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we're here to be entertained this is this this is the bingo hall butlin's tour yeah of the care
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homes that i'm here as a political entertainer yes i'm not here to debate i did just about to
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get andrea ledsam out on stage in a sparkly silver dress and and and you're and look here
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you are trying to talk about politics exactly boring exactly you're here boring our audience
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and that's only because he doesn't have dancing BDSM gays on stage.
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look at my dancing gays at the end of history.
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look at the bingo hall politics that we're doing
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And the hecklers themselves are just brainless retards, basically.
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I'm a son of a bricklayer and a son of a teaching assistant.
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And reform is doing nothing for working class people like me and you.
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I don't disagree, but I can just tell I hate him.
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what's Nigel Farage done for the working class?
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whenever he got heckled he invited them up onto stage and in a conversation with them
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let's say you were to do the jacob reese mog thing of speaking to this guy what is the the reform
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still man argument that you would put to this young man about what are you doing for young
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people and working class people what is it i don't know making sure you're not working at home
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yes making sure that akhmed is your neighbor yes in fact he's your party leader next you know
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And he wonders why he's going down in the polls
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And it's just like, no, you're boring the boomers.
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Like this young man, what is he, 30, 29, something like that?
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He's going to be a minority in his own homeland.
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And I can imagine Rupert Lowe responding to somebody like this
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it's incredible hardship in exchange for a better life yes and if you're a proper young man you
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should be like yes yes that's exactly right it's going to be difficult but you're going to have a
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better life for it you're going to have a better country to pass on to the kids you're going to
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have young man you know like you could anything anything i mean like starmer is better presented
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than than they are like this is no no no seriously right this is i can believe it i can believe it
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As embarrassing as this is, Starmer is not doing bingo hall politics.
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This is his response to Trump trolling him about Iran.
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I mean, the special relationship is pretty much dead, isn't it?
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Well, firstly, on defence, security and intelligence, we share that with the Americans 24-7.
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Whoever's the prime minister, whoever's the president, for decades now, that has been a very close relationship.
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So for defence, security and intelligence, it's really important.
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Yes, of course, there have been some hard discussions with President Trump.
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But a lot of what he said is designed to put pressure on me to change my mind.
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and to get dragged into this war, but I'm not going to do so.
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I'm the British Prime Minister, and I act in the British national interest,
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He's saying that President Trump is trying to essentially troll me into a response,
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but he says, well, no, look, I'm the British Prime Minister,
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and not get dragged into the wars with Iran and things like this.
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It's the right answer, and it was also delivered calmly and sensibly, right?
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It wasn't being antagonistic to people who, you know...
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It didn't shout boring at the journalist who asked the question.
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And so, like, weirdly, Keir Starmer, being the straight man of British politics,
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as much as he's hated, is actually looking better than all the rest.
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I mean, this is not as advocating for Keir Starmer.
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retarded concept why do people do this i have no idea uh i got into a bit of a back and forth with
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her on this on twitter saying i hope this is the one thing that future archaeologists find is just
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this woman grinning gurning at the camera uh but like here we just know i've just had an idea i am
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turning up to the next one and i'm going with that whatever it is our feeders and our store
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something whatever it is i'll just be banging away in the middle having a great time but this
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the point like okay keir starmer uh is actually looking sensible and credible but his mps aren't
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like do you not realize your country is rotting from under your feet i mean she's going to lose
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her seat to the greens keir starmer is going to lose his seat to the greens right they're both
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predicted to lose their seats the country is rotting underneath them and she's like oh we're
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just dancing in london at silent discos it's like okay great rage bait labor politician you need a
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stronger word than clownish for the state of british politics preposterous it's absolutely
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preposterous uh anyway so um obviously nigel farage is an fnat for jagossians right uh and
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i mean literally we will give these people the jagossians a future in their homeland
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could never say that about the brits i mean is this is this like i don't know when you've got
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a newborn baby you you feed them the paste and then you then you give them a little bit of squishy
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banana and you you build them up from jagossian um homeland until until eventually you're on the
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solids of the British natives having a homeland. I mean, is this how it works? Do we just need to
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feed him up through the stages or what? I guess we've yet to see that. And then,
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of course, you've got Farage just going how it's 1940. Oh, he's always 1940. Yeah, exactly. You
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know, we watch this to end on, actually. I'm here to give leadership to this movement. I'm here to
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give you a voice. I'm here to urge you to please all yourselves. Do your bit to stand up. This is,
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this is this is 1940 all over again the very existence of our nation its culture its identity
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is under threat and i'm going to do my damnedest to stand up and fight for it with i mean on sunday
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the clocks went forward and we have our annual debate about whether the clock should move forward
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pete hitchens is right about that he is i want the clocks to move forward from 1940 can we please
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move the clocks forward from 19 it is always 1940 i mean he literally said the meme but the the
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point is nigel it's it's not literally 1940 no we don't have germans flying overhead we actually
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don't have a world-spanning empire we aren't the richest nation in the world uh we are not actually
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uh in the problems that we were in in we don't even have vaguely serious politicians yeah we
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don't have we have one but we don't have serious politicians we don't have a giant navy we don't
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have anyone like in government we don't have anyone credible wandering around talking about
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things as they actually are and our politicians are in these bizarro like just hyper real frames
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where it's like yeah we can just gay dance at the end of history and the muslims won't do anything
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or we're in 1940 and we're fighting the nazis again it's like no no we're literally not i mean
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what i would give to have the parliament of 1940 be the parliament of today but it's not that it's
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a bunch of insincere idiots the clowns ruin free this is a labor mp dancing around in her silent
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disco like we this is 94 our problems are profoundly different we had an amazing country
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in 1940 we don't have an amazing country now millions of people would go out and actually
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fight for the country in 1940 that's not going to happen now right they might fight against the
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country but that's about it exactly right so you know well farage is off rallying the care homes
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and the green party are about to get chucked off rooftops like the things are very very different
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right things are very very different they are and so we have to be looking to the future and actually
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to the real problems that real people have because whether you like this guy or not
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i don't i probably don't either but he has real problems he does right and he recognizes he has
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real problems and okay he's been taken in by the greens who are not offering real solutions and
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are offering you know terrible outcomes but they're at least offering something and so we have to
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understand that sort of the clown show gay dancing at the end of history on both sides that's got to
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end right politics is serious oh yes really suffering and we need to perform a service to
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obviously isn't which is why he's tanking the polls