The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - Gay Dancing at the End of History

00:00:00.000 Hi folks, welcome back to another one of Dan and I's political chats, which I guess is the official name for this now.

00:00:05.940 Today I wanted to talk about the events of the weekend, because actually they were very interesting and honestly kind of embarrassing on all sides.

00:00:14.860 I quite often don't check Twitter at all at the weekend, so I may not have any idea what you're talking about.

00:00:19.340 That's good, because I want this to be a surprise.

00:00:21.960 Okay, is it a good surprise?

00:00:24.580 Well, I mean...

00:00:25.620 That's a no.

00:00:26.440 Yeah, well, I mean...

00:00:28.080 I don't know if I'd call it a good surprise.

00:00:32.000 I am not expecting good surprises in British politics, so that's fine.

00:00:35.300 It is a fun surprise, but also it reveals the sort of profound threads of inauthenticity

00:00:42.840 that tie together all of British politics that happens in the kind of

00:00:47.060 thunderdome of Westminster politics, right?

00:00:50.000 It's all genuinely quite embarrassing and inauthentic.

00:00:53.040 Now, we're not really going to be talking that much about the Labour Party

00:00:57.640 or the Conservative Party,

00:00:59.000 because, of course, no one cares about them anymore.

00:01:00.880 Well, no, I mean, they're irrelevant.

00:01:01.820 They're going to disappear, so yeah.

00:01:03.220 They are literally both in collapse,

00:01:05.760 as we saw in the polar polls.

00:01:07.540 They're both on about 17%,

00:01:09.140 which means 34% between the two of them.

00:01:12.880 The titanic parties of the 20th century

00:01:15.500 are a third of the vote now.

00:01:17.720 So for most of my adult life,

00:01:19.600 the party that lost still got over 34%.

00:01:23.320 Yes.

00:01:23.740 And now, collectively, they can't do that.

00:01:25.280 Exactly.

00:01:25.940 The paradigm's over.

00:01:27.060 And this is indicative of where the paradigm is going.

00:01:30.780 So over the weekend, you had a half-million-man mark.

00:01:34.820 The demonstration is still in Park Lane.

00:01:38.560 Our estimate is now that there are half a million people on this demonstration.

00:01:44.220 The biggest demonstration ever against the far right,

00:01:47.540 and it keeps us all confident in the paradigm.

00:01:50.100 Thank you very much.

00:01:51.480 Just to catch me up, what is it that they were...

00:01:54.060 Demonstrating?

00:01:54.840 Yes.

00:01:55.160 The far right.

00:01:57.060 no no okay particular policy no in direct party yeah right or individual or group just the concept

00:02:06.040 of the far right now the police came out and estimated there was actually about 50 000 people

00:02:11.300 uh but they're prone to doing down numbers like they do the tommy robinson march where

00:02:15.960 i think there was probably at least half a million perhaps a million yes and they were like oh it's

00:02:19.760 120 000 it's like well okay so i mean let's say it was half a million well by tommy's estimate

00:02:25.660 it was three million it is so you know who knows but the point is you can see there's a titanic

00:02:31.560 shift that's underpinning british politics right yes labour and the conservatives are collapsing

00:02:37.100 to the point where they're completely irrelevant and half a million people just spontaneously come

00:02:41.300 out onto the streets because we're just against those guys over there and the tommy march well

00:02:46.320 except they can't name who those guys are over there or if there are any guys over there they're

00:02:50.080 just out protesting a concept they're protesting a concept but i think they would ascribe lots of

00:02:54.980 people to it rather rightly or wrongly yes right uh and so they they would say we're just we're

00:02:59.920 against those guys uh but those guys seem to have far greater numbers than we do uh because of course

00:03:04.860 when the tommy rally comes out it's much bigger than this uh and tommy's going to be holding

00:03:09.260 another one of these in may it's probably going to be enormous because it's not like the problems

00:03:13.000 have gone away uh and so you can see that there's just the the shifting of like the the tectonic

00:03:20.200 place or the sand of politics is going to settle in two different areas but i should just point out

00:03:25.940 that a lot of people and i i might be amongst and would consider tommy robinson to be a

00:03:32.120 milktoe centrist sure but yes perception yes in the mainstream i mean jacob reese mogg was on a

00:03:38.740 podcast the other day where he laughed at the idea that there's anything further to the right

00:03:42.020 than tommy robinson is in his mind and that's jacob reese mogg um there's nothing further to

00:03:47.820 the right than tommy he represents the totemic far right in the mainstream mind and so they

00:03:53.140 obviously think of tommy robinson as the totemic far far right okay uh now you know what we think

00:03:58.720 of it no matter that's what they think of it right so and and just say i like tommy you know i'm not

00:04:03.380 i'm not one of those people who's an ideological purist uh but there are a milk toe censorist

00:04:07.520 he's okay i'll give him that yeah yeah yeah but that that doesn't really matter so anyway um you

00:04:12.400 know they were at this march i mean that is a lot of people oh yeah you know that's that's a lot of

00:04:17.340 people and zach polanski and hannah the plumber were both there so were they the ones organizing

00:04:22.400 it um well you know i'm not sure who actually organized it okay so they like i couldn't actually

00:04:27.760 find that to be honest uh but maybe the organizers were also a sort of amorphous entity a bit like

00:04:33.520 the far right well that's you know what that's a that's a that's a great point because this is

00:04:38.840 the the best possible shot you could get of it right where they're standing on a stage looking

00:04:42.460 normal with a big crowd behind them yes that looks great do you want to see what it was actually like

00:04:46.480 when they were on the stage yes i'd love to see that yeah okay you you won't see this now i'm

00:04:52.000 probably going to tell off the sound for copyright reasons um but you can see them uh dancing around

00:05:00.080 with uh leather clad men now we had to get samson to log in on his personal twitter account

00:05:06.920 to see this because twitter had age restricted this

00:05:10.440 so i mean this this looks like the cbb's doing a section on bdsm

00:05:18.340 that's a that's a very accurate description of what this looks like and the other thing is

00:05:28.240 i mean presumably the people in the crowd would consider me to be one of the people

00:05:33.280 that they're against oh absolutely i look at that and i think good

00:05:37.340 i would be quite disturbed if if any of the people lining up for this liked me

00:05:48.780 yeah um yeah exactly here's another here's another shot from the front

00:05:52.380 we'll turn the sound off again just yeah yeah exactly like if if you guys weren't against me

00:05:59.400 i would think i was doing something wrong yeah we are very firmly in opposition uh here uh

00:06:06.240 i don't want this right i don't want this being the government i don't want this being the people

00:06:12.180 in charge of the education system i don't want this being the people in charge of anything

00:06:16.260 yeah uh and so um and just to be clear look i don't particularly dislike the gays no behind 0.96

00:06:25.620 closed doors in your own home be as gay as you like sure max the gay okay but 1.00

00:06:32.100 i mean this kind of gayism where they kind of dress up in whatever the gay version of slutty 0.99

00:06:39.560 is yeah like like i'm i'm i would tag myself as as one of those heterosexuals myself but i still 0.98

00:06:46.440 wouldn't want to be on stage in a bunch of girls in like slut costumes no no i wouldn't especially 1.00

00:06:54.040 if i was holding a massive political rally yeah i think i think particularly at a political rally 0.95

00:06:59.320 Yeah. So the question that a lot of people had who aren't already supporters of the Greens are, what the hell am I looking at? This is a party that's currently about 19% in the polls. It's ahead of the Labour and the Conservative Party in the polls, reliably polling higher. And you've got their bright new star Hannah from Gorton and Denton and Zach Polanski gay dancing on the stage.

00:07:29.320 and this appeals massively to young people, apparently.

00:07:34.360 Who paid for this?

00:07:35.800 Well, this is not a cheap event at all.

00:07:36.800 That's a good point.

00:07:37.680 Yeah, who did pay for this?

00:07:39.220 Like, Tommy Robinson has to canvas his own supporters

00:07:42.100 to donate money because it cost him, like,

00:07:44.400 30 or 40 grand to put on one of these big events.

00:07:46.980 These are expensive.

00:07:48.060 Yes.

00:07:48.340 Who paid for this?

00:07:49.780 Like, I mean, I looked into the Greens donors,

00:07:52.420 and they're also, oh, the billionaires

00:07:54.500 who are funding these parties.

00:07:55.540 It's like, yeah, but it's multi-millionaires

00:07:57.200 who are funding yours.

00:07:57.980 like vivian westward and various other people have got like 300 million pounds to their network

00:08:02.480 oh that's a better answer than i i if you hadn't said that i would have just assumed it was the

00:08:06.660 british government who's paying for this well honestly it might be i don't know yes i don't i

00:08:10.220 can only i don't know i mean until the us aid thing i suppose the other option would be the

00:08:15.440 us government maybe maybe it's still there i don't know great point um i don't i don't know either

00:08:21.300 but the point is they have them they're big rich backers as well as the other parties so all of

00:08:27.500 the rhetoric about oh you're just funded by the rich you're funded by the rich all political

00:08:32.140 parties are funded by the rich it's just you've got rich hippies like and they have rich people 0.60

00:08:38.820 who are business owners business who manage a suit exactly but all parties are funded by the

00:08:45.660 rich so let's let's knock this off you know knock this on the head but uh but another another point

00:08:50.340 that i couldn't help but notice is what what happened to the diversity lads because if we get 0.97

00:08:55.100 this up you notice that yes that is a sea of white faces right there isn't it i mean i'm doing the

00:09:03.480 sort of where's wally thing or the where's um i can't think of an african name right now

00:09:09.760 you kemi or whatever i don't know kemi yeah um i can't see one yes so far this looks a lot like

00:09:19.360 the glastonbury festival well i mean that is just white people isn't it well except on stage 1.00

00:09:24.700 they can have diversity on stage

00:09:26.620 but I've never seen

00:09:28.500 clips of Glastonbury and I've thought

00:09:30.300 it's a sea of white faces

00:09:32.660 white, middle class, affluent

00:09:34.620 mostly young

00:09:36.860 people who have gone there to

00:09:38.120 take lots of drugs and drink and dance

00:09:40.760 and that's fine, fair enough

00:09:42.500 it's a festival, but this is just

00:09:44.280 political Glastonbury

00:09:45.700 got one, lower left hand corner

00:09:48.380 there's a black guy, he looks like

00:09:50.720 he's press 0.61

00:09:51.320 I found one black guy

00:09:54.120 there we go look at that in that entire sea of people i get a gold star so yeah but but that's

00:10:01.520 the point this looks like just political glastonbury right it's very white middle class

00:10:05.300 and wimpy left-wing politics yes they're just like yeah we've got a simple answer it's the

00:10:10.120 rich who are destroying the country it's like really it's that simple is it why would they

00:10:13.620 want to anyway uh so it's kind of embarrassing to be honest the whole thing i think i mean i

00:10:20.360 see this as total cringe and i wouldn't want to be associated with it in any way uh i guess

00:10:25.480 other than being their enemy which is fine but this this was a big deal to them right because

00:10:31.160 what this was in the same way the tommy rallies are a kind of uh morale raising exercise this is

00:10:37.900 a morale raising exercise for the greens right this says no but there are actually lots of us

00:10:42.060 and at 20 in the polls or whatever they're at there are actually a lot of them right and it's

00:10:46.420 very vibes based and zach polanski has also pulled the rupert lowe stunt of i don't care actually we

00:10:52.740 don't care about what the mainstream says he's recognized i do like that bit yeah yeah i he's

00:10:57.040 recognized that the dying consensus has lost all of its power and so rupert lowe being like i don't

00:11:01.300 care if you call me a racist zach polanski's like i don't care if i'm wrong about everything

00:11:04.960 like he doesn't care because actually that doesn't matter yet that'll matter when there's

00:11:11.400 food shortages and rolling blackouts and rich people have fled the country and everyone's

00:11:16.480 impoverished and well i i know what their policies will be when we come to that point of course we

00:11:20.440 do it'll be all of the same policies that they have now they're just doubled down on all of them

00:11:24.040 exactly and they'll just become more tyrannical so right it'll become like literally the soviet

00:11:29.860 union the the berlin war i mean we're not far from that now no we're not terribly far from it

00:11:35.040 but zan polanski is just going to accelerate that condition and when they don't get the money they

00:11:39.720 expect to get in and when people are in active revolt against them and things like this but

00:11:43.540 the lessons of history will just come flooding back right the 20th century is replete with

00:11:48.440 communist regimes doing exactly these things blaming exactly the rich people for being the 0.95

00:11:52.720 problem and we've seen it we've played it right it's just a kind of tribute act just a really gay 0.84

00:11:57.380 race communism this time rather than just communism you know but we've been down this road and we know

00:12:02.120 where it goes but like i said this is a morale raising exercise for them uh in the same way that

00:12:06.560 the tommy rally was a morale raising exercise for the right i think i'm more worried about

00:12:10.200 gay race communism than just communism well yeah obviously i mean at least the old communists have 1.00

00:12:15.100 this decency to be socially conservative right yes but these these ones are just embarrassing

00:12:20.000 in public like i don't want these people in charge of anything um anyway so you had uh

00:12:26.140 stella creasy tweeting this out now what's interesting about stella creasy is well she's

00:12:30.160 a labor mp and she's going to lose her seat to the greens so she'd do a defection soon or something 1.00

00:12:35.320 like that because uh you know she's saying oh look people of all ages and backgrounds dancing

00:12:39.700 along in the cold sunshine of march is magic don't tell rupert lowe um sorry it's not people

00:12:44.700 of all ages and backgrounds it's very much middle-aged middle class public sector employees

00:12:49.600 probably mostly nhs working yes yeah exactly is you know the total fiction that they tell

00:12:55.740 themselves but their own these are all from a specific demographic yeah and that's interesting

00:13:04.280 isn't it they're all from a specific demographic but the green party is not a specific demographic

00:13:11.860 the green party oh i see yes yes i see where you're going now yeah yes are you you okay i've

00:13:18.220 finally alighted upon your point i don't see mothin alley on that stage why don't i see

00:13:24.360 mothin alley you're right on that stage the the socially conservative islamic win of green party 0.87

00:13:30.940 was not seen on stage next to the dancing gay... 0.97

00:13:34.540 Weird, isn't it? 0.92

00:13:35.780 ...dress-up chaps.

00:13:36.900 Weird that he had something else to do that day.

00:13:39.380 I mean, this is half a million Green supporters

00:13:41.580 in the middle of London.

00:13:42.880 And Moth and Ali just happen to have something else to do that day?

00:13:45.580 That's weird.

00:13:46.900 Imagine if you could have got the Islamic wing of the party 0.98

00:13:50.000 to turn out for your mobile gay show. 0.98

00:13:54.360 Yeah.

00:13:55.200 You could have had 600,000.

00:13:58.600 Absolutely, possibly more.

00:13:59.980 i mean look at the palestine four million well exactly combine the palestine marches

00:14:04.460 with the mobile gay show and why didn't they well

00:14:09.580 i think i know the answer but how do i put it sensitively um because the the latter half

00:14:19.620 would have the former half shot if they could yes although they're probably wait until the

00:14:25.060 day after the election to do that rather than the day before because what the greens are

00:14:29.360 feeling themselves to be is a marriage of convenience.

00:14:32.600 You've got the left-wing student communists who are like, 0.82

00:14:36.680 yeah, we just want to gay dance at the end of history. 0.94

00:14:39.220 And you've got the, and you remember the clip of like,

00:14:41.780 we're not on the same side, bro.

00:14:43.260 You've got those people who decided to stay home

00:14:45.400 because I don't want to go to the gay dancing at the end of history. 0.78

00:14:48.080 We're the Islamic party who have a mission to Islamize the entire world 0.78

00:14:53.560 as Muhammad had it, held it.

00:14:55.980 So we don't need to go to this.

00:14:57.900 And, of course, Zelensky himself, or if I'm getting his name right, Polansky, Polansky himself. 0.92

00:15:05.360 I mean, he's really doubling up here because he's Jewish and gay. 0.93

00:15:09.660 Yes. 0.89

00:15:10.640 And in league with the Islamic social conservatives.

00:15:15.080 Yes.

00:15:16.160 And so...

00:15:16.980 I don't think that is necessarily a...

00:15:19.520 Which block is a growing constituency and which one... 0.93

00:15:23.800 Well, it's not gay Jews. 1.00

00:15:24.660 And which one will tolerate the other when the demographics shift in their favour?

00:15:30.040 Yes, it's a different answer for each part, yeah.

00:15:33.480 Exactly.

00:15:34.500 So what was Moth and Ali doing while they were out gay dancing? 0.65

00:15:38.480 Um, I don't know.

00:15:40.580 Well, interestingly, he was publishing this, right?

00:15:43.500 Now, this is a very fascinating piece of propaganda that they produced.

00:15:48.480 I thought we'd just watch it.

00:15:49.700 So I was in London the other day, and this bloke, he comes right up to me.

00:15:53.360 and he says, why don't you eff off back to where you came from?

00:15:57.580 And you know what? I thought, I will.

00:16:01.920 So I came back here to Sheffield.

00:16:07.360 Look how he's dressed.

00:16:08.300 So I've got some brilliant memories of this place.

00:16:10.780 Nid Road, the street I grew up on.

00:16:13.100 Our little gang would be running around everywhere making noise

00:16:15.820 and someone's mum would always be telling us off to keep it down

00:16:19.540 because half the street was asleep after working nights at the farm.

00:16:23.360 everyone worked there my dad too so we'll stop it there because i think we've we've seen enough

00:16:29.980 right so first things first like you're you're dressed like an englishman mate but i wish the

00:16:36.460 chaps on the stage could have been dressed like that that would have been better well yeah exactly 0.98

00:16:40.600 the difference between this and the gay dancing at the end of history i also notice he's not 0.92

00:16:45.480 twerking and swirling with nipple clamps on correct but also he's wearing the costume 0.86

00:16:50.560 of an Englishman

00:16:52.000 because remember

00:16:52.880 in his own time

00:16:54.240 actually

00:16:55.260 he allowed

00:16:55.880 Aqba's 0.99

00:16:56.540 dressed in the

00:16:57.580 phobe

00:16:58.020 and the other things

00:16:59.500 we will not be silent

00:17:00.500 we will raise

00:17:01.580 the voice of Ghazda

00:17:02.620 we will raise

00:17:03.560 the voice of Palestine

00:17:04.540 Allah Aqba 0.88

00:17:05.980 Allah Aqba 0.88

00:17:07.120 so

00:17:08.240 he now

00:17:09.260 is not cosplaying

00:17:10.220 as an Englishman

00:17:10.920 no

00:17:12.440 he's not cosplaying

00:17:13.360 I mean look at his wife 0.91

00:17:14.800 oh that's his wife

00:17:16.280 of course it is

00:17:17.320 right so he's wearing

00:17:18.300 I didn't recognise her now

00:17:19.620 yeah yeah

00:17:20.240 How did I not notice?

00:17:22.200 The wife and him dressed in the most sort of orthodox Islamic guard,

00:17:27.620 the most hard-line Islamic guard.

00:17:29.120 Now, there are loads of Muslim countries that have banned what his wife is wearing. 0.95

00:17:32.620 You're not allowed.

00:17:33.700 There's something about half Muslim countries have banned what she's wearing.

00:17:36.780 Not allowed to dress like that.

00:17:38.300 So she is essentially advertising,

00:17:40.940 no, I'm kind of a religious extremist for Islam.

00:17:43.600 But compare that to what he's wearing here.

00:17:46.640 Why is he doing this?

00:17:48.540 well i i guess because when he was making the point um i am a sheffield man he dresses like

00:17:54.440 a sheffield man and when he's making the point that i am a you know a warrior for islam he

00:18:00.740 dresses like a warrior for islam which one do you think is the more real one well if i had to guess

00:18:06.860 i'd probably go with the not that one that one i mean he didn't turn up at the gay dancing at

00:18:13.880 the end of history parade no he didn't so just saying i i feel that he might be more of the

00:18:19.200 warrior for islam as well yes but i mean that's literally what the that's literally the reason

00:18:24.400 why um the islamists have those big beards it's because in in past historic battles you needed 1.00

00:18:29.660 to tell one side from the other yeah the muslims decided to make their uniform a big beard so they 0.99

00:18:34.000 didn't accidentally chop the wrong guy's head off yeah but that's that's the interesting thing

00:18:37.620 where's the photo of his mum he's got a photo of his mum that we saw about 28 i don't remember

00:18:42.840 seeing her in the whole kind of no letterbox thing no that's the point his dad doesn't have

00:18:49.560 the big beard either i note yeah yeah sorry it was a 21 yeah there we go yes perfect so his mum

00:18:58.660 is not wearing the burqa his dad doesn't have the big beard so when they came to britain okay they

00:19:04.900 still look like the bangladesh obviously but they're not so islamic that they look like they're 0.89

00:19:11.640 completely out of place no then compare that to him and his wife they've regressed somewhat right

00:19:17.740 the integration is going the other way they're deliberately rejecting modern western modernity 0.99

00:19:23.060 and they're saying no no we're going back to our islamic roots apparently that's often the way

00:19:26.900 with the second generation and it gets really bad with the third generation as well exactly

00:19:30.740 you know so uh but because presumably his parents came here because they thought there was something

00:19:35.920 to admire about the place yes and they they probably were working for the british empire

00:19:40.240 upon decolonization,

00:19:41.920 which is why a lot of East Asians 0.99

00:19:43.340 and South Asians came here.

00:19:45.240 So anyway,

00:19:46.420 I just find it really interesting

00:19:47.760 how he's cosplaying as the Englishman

00:19:49.820 for the propaganda,

00:19:51.380 because obviously they want to win over

00:19:52.520 white working class votes

00:19:53.560 in Sheffield and things like this.

00:19:55.180 It's like, yeah, you can trust Mothin Ali.

00:19:58.480 I mean...

00:19:59.200 Stout Sheffield man.

00:20:00.740 He's one of you.

00:20:02.820 So while he's Allah Akbar-ing 0.97

00:20:04.980 in his own time, 0.97

00:20:06.040 and Zach Polanski is gay dancing on the stage, 0.88

00:20:08.540 you kind of feel there might be a tension 0.74

00:20:10.080 in the green party right they i can see that yeah the the the student left presumably idealistically

00:20:16.520 saying you know the muslims are tolerating us gay dancing at the end of history and this is what 0.62

00:20:20.540 how this coalition is going to work well they are for now that's true yeah what do you think

00:20:24.760 the muslim contingent is like in their group chats um if i had to guess utterly i mean far

00:20:34.360 more than we would ever be utterly scathing of the mobile gay show thing yeah they're not they're 0.98

00:20:40.700 not fans of jews generally turns out right uh so i mean like you know views from a group form that

00:20:48.520 straight have nazi germany i mean yeah not not i mean i don't claim to be the world's greatest

00:20:53.200 i'm not a zionist geopolitics or history expert but i have picked up once or twice but there's

00:20:59.540 a bit of an issue of of the muslims about the jews yeah so and also the gays here's one of 0.69

00:21:04.900 their group chats uh where they say you know she was going to call out the people who destroyed

00:21:08.360 her and her family they were jews and shouldn't we shouldn't be afraid to say it they were jewish

00:21:12.080 supremacist she's using the correct description it's us who have been scared into using the word 0.89

00:21:15.860 zionists for fear of being labeled anti-semite enough of of being scared hurting of hurting

00:21:21.540 their feelings while they murder and bomb and starve children yes take back the narrative and

00:21:25.080 the true meaning of the terms particularly zionism and semite and then someone at the bottom they 0.89

00:21:28.700 are an abomination to this planet right that's sorry whose group chat is this this is a green 1.00

00:21:33.940 party group chat this is a green party group chat yes right so not so much tolerance on that side 0.99

00:21:44.720 yeah lots of tolerance from the gays dancing at the end of history uh the other side of the group 0.96

00:21:51.720 chat know what they're about and know what they're doing right and you know i'm not you know i'm not

00:21:56.380 here to judge i'm just pointing out that there is a distinct contradiction in this party that 0.74

00:22:01.300 isn't going to last forever eventually it's going to come down to are you a gay dancing at the end 0.99

00:22:06.520 of history or are you an ala ala ala waqbaring muslim i mean taking no view whatsoever on the 0.96

00:22:14.120 underlying merits of either side of this well i saw it's not even an argument because the 0.93

00:22:18.840 the gay dancers don't seem to be aware that this is a problem no but but taking no view on the 0.80

00:22:24.820 underlying issues this side is locked in and focused that's right that's exactly the point 0.82

00:22:33.660 isn't it one side is being completely frivolous and saying hey we're going to gay dance and have 0.99

00:22:38.080 chem sex and whatever else they do yes and the other side is like they're an abomination to this 1.00

00:22:42.840 planet yes like yeah locked in and focused is a great way of describing it now which which is

00:22:49.200 the side that's again increasing and generative and increasing its constituency and which is the

00:22:54.360 side that probably has a much higher attrition rate than the average uh attrition rate of you 0.64

00:22:59.980 know people in the country we i mean given that you're an apostate if you leave islam and you 0.97

00:23:06.620 will often find yourself getting killed i mean they're not they're not famous for having people

00:23:11.480 sort of join up and then do it for a year or two and then say no thanks no uh so anyway what do

00:23:17.840 think zach polanski's response to this was uh i'd say it was taken out of context or something or

00:23:24.800 yeah you'd think wouldn't you yeah uh basically zach polanski uh says oh don't worry i'm i'm i'm

00:23:31.580 the only jewish party to lead a person to lead a political party the daily mail have always been

00:23:36.460 my enemy they historically supported fascists and continue to do so i'll take no lectures on them

00:23:40.700 from anti-semitism now it is true the daily mail did support fascists in the 1930s and 40s well

00:23:46.860 1930s um but that doesn't he's shooting the messenger yes that doesn't change exactly 0.98

00:23:54.480 shooting the messenger doesn't change the fact that you are a gay jewish man 1.00

00:23:57.940 at the head of a party that you know it's full of people who actually don't approve of gays or jews 0.99

00:24:02.980 and so you can say i don't care i'm gay dancing at the end of history uh but i mean also you're

00:24:10.800 not the only jewish party to have led a political person to have led a political party but that

00:24:14.320 doesn't matter the point is you have a very large and important constituency to your party's

00:24:18.960 electoral success as we saw in gordon and denton that actually are not huge fans of what you do

00:24:28.660 both personally and what you are ethnically i mean quickly on the first point i mean ed milliband is

00:24:33.180 jewish and he was leading the labor party like 10 years ago israeli was in like 1890 or whatever

00:24:37.400 yeah so we've got i mean from disraeli to ed milliband 10 years ago and i think there's i

00:24:43.120 think there's some other examples in between as well probably are a couple yeah it's not the most

00:24:46.760 common thing but it's not the most rare thing either um the point being okay um you can just

00:24:53.240 call them bad people like you said you're shooting messenger and actually it's your position and

00:24:59.540 you're essentially uh kind of like um i feel like there's a scar on the lion king where he's like

00:25:06.040 you know gets eaten alive by the hyenas at the end it's like sorry you know do you not understand

00:25:10.480 who could have seen that coming yeah exactly like these aren't your friends bro i don't and you can

00:25:18.080 say that you don't care about that because at the moment they're in line because they think they

00:25:22.000 stand to gain something but what happens when you fail like what happens when you don't win well

00:25:27.040 the thing that would be even more worried about what happens when you succeed even worse uh and

00:25:33.000 so uh this this started snowballing actually because okay zach polanski and i think really

00:25:39.300 he's being a bit tactical here right he's like okay look i need the muslims i need them as my

00:25:44.040 core constituency and we're just going to argue against essentially the white majority of the

00:25:48.480 country uh so i've sort of defected away from that because i mean he's he said in previous

00:25:53.280 interviews that he grew up uh in a mostly white english school and he was teased not for being

00:25:59.720 jewish but for being gay and then he went to the diverse areas and he wasn't being teased and so

00:26:04.940 he found himself essentially siding with the diversity over the nation uh and so it's like

00:26:10.340 it's still a coalition of the native people's enemies yes and he recognizes us yes i've got 1.00

00:26:16.740 the student communists who are against the system and the country itself and i've got the islamists 0.91

00:26:20.540 who are against the demographics of the country and i'm going to keep that stitched together and

00:26:24.840 so i don't really care what you say now his own family have been like uh we are a bit worried

00:26:29.360 about if he wins right so the daily mail spoke to three members of his extended family none of whom

00:26:37.840 talked to him now they didn't name them either but i can understand why they wouldn't uh quotes

00:26:41.620 he's currently the leader of the future islamic party of britain that's what the green party is

00:26:46.500 fast becoming said one and there'll be no place for jews in his islamic state of britain yeah 0.97

00:26:51.600 that's probably true that's that's a true statement yep why would you even question that

00:26:58.100 actually um they debated a motion that was uh declare anti-zionist uh declare the green party

00:27:06.360 be anti-zionist uh as a as a sort of racist uh movement and a lot of his jewish family are of 0.97

00:27:13.540 course themselves zionists because they're jewish and you know there's a big overlap there you can't

00:27:19.100 exactly begrudge them for that if i were jewish i would want a jewish state as well i mean i'm

00:27:23.340 english i want an english state you know so i can hardly begrudge them um but the only the only

00:27:28.220 member of the green uh of his family that's still speaking to him is his mother a third family

00:27:32.960 member said quote the mad thing is that he's gay he's jewish but he's cozying up to those people 0.89

00:27:38.200 whose ideology is the complete antithesis of everything that he's supposed to stand for it's 0.95

00:27:42.340 like a chicken telling us to vote for kfc now that's his family saying that right and zach 0.98

00:27:48.540 polanski you know went back and forth to the daily mail of this he didn't deny that they'd

00:27:52.360 spoken to his family he said i don't take lectures on anti-semitism from the daily mail from from all

00:27:57.580 my family or from my jewish family my jewish zionist family will give me no lectures on

00:28:03.420 anti-semitism yeah and so you know all i'm saying is this is a kind of clownish coalition that is

00:28:10.980 acting very clearly as a trojan horse for something that is actually deeply sinister and

00:28:16.140 zach polanski has decided to happily wet nurse this into existence on the assumption that somehow

00:28:21.820 he isn't going to be the target of it well i don't know i remember when clownish first started

00:28:28.660 to get used regularly in british politics around sort of 2010 the whole kind of gordon brown era

00:28:33.460 yeah you didn't really hear it much until then and i think that was an apt description at the

00:28:37.940 time this this isn't so much clownish this is just i mean it's something else isn't it really

00:28:44.340 i don't really have the words i mean comment below if you can if you've got the objectives i'm i'm

00:28:50.640 looking for i i don't even know what you'd describe kind of i'm kind of stumped to describe

00:28:57.020 this kind of politics it's it's a proper circus though it's it's something that's i mean literally

00:29:02.900 it's just gay glastonbury for politics i mean the the closest i can possibly get and this won't mean

00:29:09.840 lots of people but if if slanesh was to form a political party yes it would be this yes and

00:29:19.020 then they'd have the corn contingent yes and they'd be like no corn contingent will happily

00:29:24.920 tolerate this and as soon as soon as we've won the um election in in terror then we've um the

00:29:29.860 coalition will break apart but until then forces of chaos unite exactly uh while they've got a

00:29:36.740 common enemy they'll stay in coalition uh i don't think it's going to last forever though weirdly i

00:29:41.940 don't think moth and alley is going to be tolerating this forever uh just until it's just

00:29:45.940 while it's politically convenient i mean i suppose the other thing is is they will tolerate it longer

00:29:51.220 on the basis that if if this stuff comes anywhere near their kids yeah that's all hell will break

00:29:59.720 loose they they will not have it you're absolutely all the time it's just an infestation as long as

00:30:05.640 it's just nurgle doing his work in the in the white population maybe they can tolerate it for

00:30:11.440 quite a while well well exactly right so it's it's a it's a marriage of convenience as long as

00:30:16.560 it's useful to the muslim population yes and while they say okay the whites are becoming weaker and 0.60

00:30:22.140 more divided and degenerate that's not our problem that's their problem we're going to keep growing

00:30:26.680 our numbers and and zach polanski's own family can see this right oh my god you know what are 0.99

00:30:31.500 you bringing in and zach polanski said dancing like a prat on this stage with the gay dancers 0.94

00:30:35.740 next to him it's like okay well yeah everyone can see where this road goes uh so let's have a look 0.98

00:30:41.280 at the polls look at that the green party at 20 in the polls 20 bloody percent sat there over the

00:30:50.180 top of the world's oldest political party the conservatives the party who won the election and

00:30:55.940 has been a dominant force in politics since the last hundred years and the liberal democrats

00:31:01.200 representing the sort of nice respectable but don't want to have to think too hard about 0.92

00:31:05.080 politics party the liberal democrats and they're sitting above all of them yes the gay dancing at 0.95

00:31:11.520 the end of history while the muslims grow more numerous behind us uh is actually a fifth of the 1.00

00:31:18.140 electorate they're like yeah i'm just gonna go for it and honestly i think you've got to credit

00:31:22.500 zach polanski's messaging for this right here oh yeah i mean he's doing great yeah i mean i in fact

00:31:28.100 this this message i'd put out to all right wingers is as tempting as it is to write off and dismiss

00:31:34.100 people like hannah spencer and zach polanski actually what we've got to be doing is understanding

00:31:40.940 why it's working you know who they're hitting why the audience that they're hitting are responding

00:31:46.660 to this and what could we learn from it and what is our answers to the questions that they're posing

00:31:52.120 exactly uh what what of their messaging is good and we and and the also there's a there's an

00:31:59.540 overlap with us like because a lot of it is cost of living yeah we're really concerned about that

00:32:04.200 yeah i mean i mean a lot of it is as simple as they are bothering to speak about the things that

00:32:09.320 matter to young people and they're giving them an answer now those answers are terrible and they

00:32:13.720 won't work but at least they're speaking to them and addressing the things they want to hear about

00:32:18.780 exactly and our answers actually are good and would work and actually be in their long-term

00:32:23.680 benefit and not just you get a hit of ecstasy or acid at a glass debris festival the unfortunate

00:32:28.680 thing about our answers is it's going to be incredibly painful but that's not necessarily

00:32:33.960 bad right no it's not yes as sophie actually on the in the on the podcast put out what we're

00:32:39.720 offering young people is the hero's journey here's the sword that you've got to go and take

00:32:45.040 to slay the dragon now you know i think a lot of young people actually will sign up to that and

00:32:50.200 gleefully happily thank god i have purpose thank god i can do something good thank god i can take

00:32:54.800 the the world on my shoulders and i can actually climb to the mountain so there's actually and it's

00:32:59.200 completely divergent from the green parties which is just essentially become extinct just dance at

00:33:03.920 the end of history as you become extinct as the barbarians overrun the country and okay well that's 0.96

00:33:09.060 that's a message that is you can transmit because what he's offering is a kind of uh painlessness

00:33:15.400 right he's saying no we're gonna help you with your energy bills we're gonna rob from the rich

00:33:19.600 we're gonna give you all this money and then you're gonna just dance away at the end of history

00:33:23.220 until you no longer exist you're gonna like like russo's sort of flies of the summer who pass away

00:33:29.120 without history even noticing so okay great but actually a lot of us don't want that and a lot of

00:33:34.660 us actually want to build something worthy and the but the but the point is we can identify the

00:33:43.260 correct issue and zach polanski has done that in cost of living in the fact that people are

00:33:48.440 working harder to get even less far ahead

00:33:51.140 and all the general exploitative nature of the system.

00:33:55.020 Anyone who doesn't quite understand what I'm talking about,

00:33:56.680 go and listen to Hannah Spencer's maiden speech in Parliament.

00:34:00.400 She talks about cost of living, housing for young people,

00:34:03.120 all that kind of stuff, actually address the issue.

00:34:05.540 Because one thing that we've talked about

00:34:07.080 is getting young people on the housing market, on the ladder.

00:34:10.140 I want people owning their own property.

00:34:12.340 This is not something...

00:34:13.380 Because conservatives in reform

00:34:15.480 seem to have retreated from this argument completely.

00:34:17.560 It's like, why?

00:34:18.440 like you know like i'm totally up for a sort of gaddafi style the state will lend you like 50

00:34:24.500 grand or whatever tax-free interest-free yes for you to put a deposit on a house so i don't think

00:34:30.080 i don't think it's as simple as this but let me give you a thought experiment just to explain how

00:34:33.340 a possible solution even though it's not my solution but a possible solution what we do

00:34:38.040 at the moment is we have the nhs and we say okay when and largely it's for when people get old

00:34:43.800 your bills will be taken care of what if we just took that money and bought every new newly married 1.00

00:34:50.720 young couple a house and then said okay well that major bill is taken care of but you're now going

00:34:56.220 to have to take care of that major bill at the end of your life so you you're on the ladder you've got

00:34:59.820 a nest to to have a family a lot of your expenses have been taken away from you early in life

00:35:05.600 make sure you're responsible enough to save for when you're old for your medical expense so it's

00:35:10.480 What I'm mainly doing there is taking the thought experiment of instead of subsidizing that end of life and leaving you to go childless and indebted at this end of your life, if you swapped it around, would that be a better scenario?

00:35:23.500 Like I said, I think that's a bit simplistic, but it starts to get you to thinking, we do allocate cost to cost people's lives.

00:35:29.220 Are we doing it in the right way? Are we subsidizing the right bit?

00:35:32.520 Now, those are the sort of conversations that the right should be having.

00:35:34.940 what is the right balance to making sure that people's life journey is not um unduly burdensome

00:35:41.600 and i think we've probably got it the wrong way around i agree and that and that's exactly the

00:35:45.620 point and i think that's exactly why restore are the the current uh thing on the right that people

00:35:52.220 are actually concerned with the because they're the old people's party exactly reform and the

00:35:57.660 conservatives are just the pension party right and we'll get into them in a bit actually um but

00:36:02.700 This is why Restore is actually gaining some ground across all demographics.

00:36:06.020 I mean, I hosted the first Swindon branch of Restore yesterday,

00:36:11.960 and one thing I noticed is a lot of men and women about our age, right,

00:36:16.600 who are not drawing a pension, but who are on the property ladder

00:36:19.900 and who have businesses or have careers.

00:36:21.980 And more to the point, have children.

00:36:23.700 And have children.

00:36:24.440 Yes.

00:36:24.860 So they're invested in the system and see a future, right?

00:36:27.980 And they're like, right, we need to fix this country.

00:36:30.160 And the tone was not black-pilled, but it was serious, right?

00:36:34.160 It was sombre.

00:36:35.340 I mean, there's a little bit of, you know,

00:36:37.120 we could have a bit of a joke on something.

00:36:39.080 You're allowed to have a laugh once in a while.

00:36:40.400 But it was understood, no, the things are really bad

00:36:42.480 and we have to be serious about this.

00:36:43.640 We have to get this done.

00:36:45.640 And that was really interesting, really interesting.

00:36:48.660 The polar opposite, the gay dancing at the end of history. 1.00

00:36:51.800 You didn't have any gay dancers? 0.73

00:36:52.960 No, we had lots of serious people asking very serious questions

00:36:56.640 about what we could actually do.

00:36:58.020 and uh it was it was really good and everyone went away after it which is really high spirits

00:37:03.280 because you know more than a hundred of us turned up to this just local branch meeting

00:37:06.800 and everyone left being like reno we can do something because the problem and this is why

00:37:12.400 the the this big um uh parade was such a big thing for them it's morale boosting when you're

00:37:17.820 in the same room you realize oh we're among like-minded people who are also going to work

00:37:21.420 hard and actually there is a large number of us we can get a critical mass of us we can actually

00:37:25.860 win something and we're going to win something and that's why the greens are doing so well at

00:37:30.020 the moment they're realizing they're forming their critical mass and even if the thing they're going

00:37:33.120 to do is horrific uh they don't perceive it that way right so they are happy and they're they're

00:37:40.700 in good spirits and that's what like hannah hannah gorton and denton campaign where she's dancing 0.90

00:37:46.320 around like a prat and matt goodwin's like partying it up but he could feel that he's losing yeah feel

00:37:51.880 the energy has gone away from him she's just like yeah i can just dance because the muslims are 0.81

00:37:55.580 oh yeah she was high spirits exactly right uh but that was what what this meeting was like everyone

00:38:00.560 left in high spirits like no no we can just plant our feet and get to work and so this this was just

00:38:06.980 an incredible thing to be able to do actually anyway so this this uh like i said this this

00:38:12.080 minus two for reform again as you can see the downswing continued lots of minus twos in the

00:38:17.280 past few weeks yeah the downswing continues uh this was from varian uh which is not one of the

00:38:22.460 most accurate pollsters that we've seen but they're fine and the reason for this is because

00:38:27.600 they've been prompting for the greens right because prompting on these polls gives you wildly

00:38:31.560 different results to not but that's fine because the greens are a significant force in british

00:38:36.840 politics and they should be prompted for but then so should all the other parties frankly

00:38:41.980 and this is what it looks like of course when you break it down reform would require to go into a

00:38:48.420 conservative coalition to form the government but the greens 100 seats uh brutal absolutely brutal

00:38:55.100 even even beating the lib dems there but again the complete fracturing of the country where uh

00:39:01.120 nobody agrees with how we should be governed what a mess yeah but i don't think it'll last i don't

00:39:06.340 think i mean i again don't make any predictions who knows how things will go tomorrow but i think

00:39:12.500 that what's happening is essentially a dam has been broken and so what we're witnessing as floods

00:39:18.180 of water flowing down across levels and filling up containers and the water is flowing out of

00:39:24.200 labor and the conservatives you can see labor on nine well the water's out of the reform as well

00:39:28.220 well that's the thing the water is flowing out of reform too and i think it's going to settle

00:39:33.640 in restore and the greens i think in three years time it will have settled into these being the

00:39:38.860 two primary three years is more than enough for a transformation like that to happen absolutely

00:39:43.440 in politics it took three years for reform to peak and start declining yeah right so three years we

00:39:48.560 can do it with restore uh anyway here's uh the next one from find out now which as you can see

00:39:53.860 reform on 24 which is not good there was um there was another one uh where rupert lowe was polling

00:40:00.520 at eight percent but that was he was prompted by find out now uh but again when the prompts are

00:40:05.280 important and i think actually should be just generally any any major party with like one like

00:40:11.000 10 000 members should be prompted to be honest because it's just dishonest to not do that but

00:40:17.480 anyway as you can see greens on 20 again reform on 24 labor and conservatives dead in the water

00:40:23.920 done dusted dinosaurs nobody's interested yeah right then you have the latest you gov one

00:40:31.200 same thing again reform on 23 no change you can complain about the you can complain about the

00:40:37.600 the metrics the methodology mr farage but at the end of the day uh look look where you are look

00:40:44.240 where you are you're you're in the same position each time like this is not an inaccurate like the

00:40:49.260 polling is harmonizing down to the you gov prediction like everyone else's polling is like

00:40:53.620 no you are on you're on go down oh you're on 25 you're on 23 and 24 yeah you're where you gov told

00:40:58.540 you you were i mean the labor and conservatives at this point i mean something needs to be done

00:41:03.860 about them because they're just sediment in the fuel line at this point but they are just stopping

00:41:08.740 the mechanism that clears this getting sorted out cleanly absolutely and and things a lot of people

00:41:14.840 are i don't want to say low information voters let's let's say low salience voters they they

00:41:19.320 engage with politics fairly infrequently yeah conservatives and labor have a hell of a long

00:41:24.460 time to build up a stock and support people who identify as i am a conservative i'm a label or

00:41:28.980 whatever that that's going to have to get flushed through people who engage incredibly rarely are

00:41:35.000 going to have people are going to have to have conversations with those friends and family

00:41:38.120 members who simply don't engage more than once every four years to kind of make them aware of

00:41:44.360 the reality that the conservatives and labor are just they're just they're just done take a fresh

00:41:48.300 look at this scene yeah the political consensus of the 20th century is over oh yeah that's what

00:41:53.320 that's what we're seeing so well one of many consensuses that in the process being shattered

00:41:57.080 at the moment absolutely yeah but again greens on 19 and and this is another point that came up

00:42:01.720 recently zach polanski is not a uh policy guy right pete north probably hates hearing zach

00:42:10.180 polanski talk right he said what do you do about anything you know you're not gonna do anything

00:42:13.400 yes zach polanski is a vibes guy and in fact in many ways nigel farage is a vibes guy yes

00:42:19.540 right vibes based politics is important because as you say the low salience voters voters who are 0.85

00:42:25.380 not that interested in politics and just you know it'll come up on their feed every now and again

00:42:30.260 but oh yeah that's all right i might vote for that guy because he's talking about the cost of living

00:42:33.920 or i might vote for that guy because i don't like the eu and i'd like to be in the eu out of the eu

00:42:37.920 or whatever right these voters are vibes based voters and unfortunately the power of selection

00:42:43.840 is still in the electorate itself so if the electorate are not interested in highly detailed

00:42:49.480 manifestos of you know these costings and stuff like that well then you have to meet them on the

00:42:54.240 level they're at which is the vibe oh good god that is i hate to say it so whilst i absolutely

00:43:00.340 despise everything you've just said it's also right yes that's the problem yes so the rights

00:43:06.600 what we need to do i mean we've got all of our ducks in a row when it comes to uh policy and

00:43:10.780 ideology yes right is that we know it's going to be painful uh we know that so cutting off the

00:43:17.160 dependency that big business has on legal immigration for cheap labor that is destroying

00:43:22.700 the prospects of the working men and women of this country.

00:43:25.280 That's going to be painful.

00:43:26.960 There are going to be people who are going to be very upset by that.

00:43:30.000 There are going to be corporations that threaten to pull out.

00:43:33.180 There's going to be all sorts of consequences of that.

00:43:35.860 But we know that that's going to happen,

00:43:37.440 and we know that after the initial pain, things will get better.

00:43:41.060 But you're also saying, okay, lads, time to unroll those sleeves.

00:43:46.640 You've done the hard work now. 1.00

00:43:48.480 Now you need to do the stupid work. 1.00

00:43:50.140 You need to do the vibes work now. 0.99

00:43:52.700 good god and i mean you're right and people don't like it but it is true yes and so what the right

00:43:57.200 needs are essentially one line bullet points elevator pitches to explain to the average

00:44:03.500 person that this is why we're going to help you right we're going to have to start dismantling

00:44:08.760 our memes and turning them into short sentences and then speaking to people well luckily our memes

00:44:13.380 do tend to convert into yes short sentences very easily it's just we're not actually that familiar

00:44:19.220 with doing it because we tend talking to people in the real world normies yeah basically yeah but

00:44:24.860 i had a conversation with a normie once it was horrible i don't but i but the the point is this

00:44:30.680 is what zach polanski has done very effectively yes we're going to reduce your cost because we're

00:44:35.140 going to persecute the billionaires or whatever he says right uh well we we we need um our own

00:44:41.060 memetic weaponry that drills down and compresses the issue into a single sentence that is uh will

00:44:50.560 essentially wake people and go oh no yeah i know i do have something i need to do millions must go

00:44:54.420 well that's a great one right and and this is very persuasive but i think that the right also

00:44:59.660 needs to be clear about its economic message i know we want small we want you owning your own

00:45:03.940 small business that's what we want we don't want you on the corporate plantation as gen x's that's 1.00

00:45:09.940 what we've struggled our whole lives to escape that's what fight club is about yes that's what

00:45:13.440 the matrix is about you do not get trapped on the corporate plantation it's something like

00:45:18.980 cradle to grave self-independence or something or not not having to rely on the state or something

00:45:25.620 yeah be your own boss start a small business we're going to support you yeah so at the moment the

00:45:29.860 business rates are prohibitive we just had peter mcormack in he's given up a couple of his businesses

00:45:33.960 just because it's too much work like oh god the rates are so high the taxes are high the regulation

00:45:38.740 is so high it's like yeah what are we doing we're a nation of shopkeepers you should each have your

00:45:42.780 own small business that you know you're all invested in you work hard in you make good

00:45:47.640 profit out of and that's how the country has historically prospered and when we move away

00:45:52.360 from that model look at us we're collapsing right and so that's we need to be able to say to people

00:45:56.800 on an economic level no you are going to prosper in fact we're going to kind of force you to prosper

00:46:01.500 because you're going to own your own thing so something like an englishman's home is his castle

00:46:07.040 except the castle we're now talking about

00:46:08.720 is your economic life or something like that.

00:46:11.120 Exactly, right.

00:46:11.720 Now, I'm not saying we've got all the answers now,

00:46:13.660 but that's the thing that we're going to have to do.

00:46:16.300 Now, the people who aren't doing that are Reform.

00:46:18.800 Reform's messaging has been atrocious

00:46:21.120 on almost every level.

00:46:22.980 For us, people are like,

00:46:23.520 oh, we're going to ban working from home.

00:46:24.840 But it's like, but nobody's asking for that.

00:46:27.380 Like, sometimes working from home is useful,

00:46:29.080 sometimes it's not.

00:46:29.940 That was baffling.

00:46:31.400 Like, who, what?

00:46:32.180 It's so boomer.

00:46:33.200 It's such a boomer-coded...

00:46:34.720 Yeah.

00:46:34.980 like if if working from home works then let them do it if it doesn't i mean that's the sort of thing

00:46:39.280 that you should be saying in a and i have to quickly get this in here because otherwise we're

00:46:43.840 getting the all caps comments we're not talking about all boomers right but it is but it is boomer

00:46:49.400 coded yeah i get what you're saying but yeah that's the sort of thing you would see i mean like

00:46:53.220 that green whatsapp group that's the sort of thing you'd see a boomer whatsapp group it's

00:46:57.780 oh bad working from home all these young people they're not working hard enough they're probably 1.00

00:47:01.400 having an avocado and toast and not giving people firm ham shakes that's probably all true um but

00:47:06.880 the but the point is that surely is for the business itself to decide right i mean because

00:47:11.480 otherwise obviously yes otherwise it looks like you're just defending the plantations of the giant

00:47:15.820 corporations i mean if it was the public sector fine i mean i'm fine with yes you know all kinds

00:47:22.160 of punishments for the public sex yes but he's not talking about that he's talking about the

00:47:25.180 private sector and so it looks like he's defending the interests of big business against the actual

00:47:29.180 workers themselves which isn't good right actually i don't think big business needs

00:47:33.580 any more defending wasn't enough during covid when they had the exclusive run of the country

00:47:37.540 and we're all locked in our houses wasn't that enough you don't know which reform never speaks

00:47:42.360 out about exactly right no we the small businesses the small business owners we need the help and we

00:47:48.780 are the genuine people of the country we're not the serfs we are the yeoman well we are the serfs

00:47:53.420 but yeah well yeah okay we shouldn't be but yes but the the gen x's should be um uh very very

00:47:59.360 cognizant of this that the the the the zoomers are trying to escape the future we fell into 1.00

00:48:05.400 this is what fight club is about this is what the matrix is about escaping the corporate plantation

00:48:09.600 no you want to be that small business owner who just works hard for himself that's what you want

00:48:15.040 to be that's the ideal that's the dream and that's what the rights economic message needs to be

00:48:19.360 but like i said reform are doing none of this right instead reform are wasting everyone's time

00:48:24.540 right for example taking on literal boris waivers this guy came over six years ago his name he is

00:48:32.120 an indian man called aaron roy he became a labor counselor in hartlepool which is going to go

00:48:38.020 reform and so he's just defected yes i watched your video on this on your was it a cad daily

00:48:43.900 yeah and um this is the guy who set up a whites not welcome football club that's correct called 0.99

00:48:49.220 mariners it's literally a bame football club and i think you played a little bit of his of his

00:48:53.020 acceptance speech and it was something along the lines of i i couldn't win anymore as a labor

00:48:58.400 person so i started looking and i had conversations with the green but then i thought i'd probably win

00:49:02.900 with a form so now i'm a form and then everybody in the form audience was like yeah he didn't

00:49:06.700 explicitly say it like that but that was the undertone of what you're saying yeah the reform

00:49:10.100 is that's how i heard it because that's what he said to me reform exactly reform is the vehicle

00:49:14.780 the principles and politics haven't changed because i mean why would they oh yes that was

00:49:18.640 a thing it's ethnic self-interest but none of my um principles have changed since i was originally

00:49:23.860 attracted to the labor party but i just can't win anymore with them exactly so i'm just going to

00:49:27.760 flip to reform and faraj is thrilled to have him yes and and that yes and that was the other thing

00:49:31.780 that i got from it which were for faraj was so excited by this and i'm just thinking why

00:49:37.720 just break down for me nigel why is this so good i mean i'm pretty sure if i'd set up a

00:49:47.560 whites only football club you'd be in jail yes well okay apart from him being in jail it would

00:49:52.700 literally be illegal i would yes i would literally be illegal and um i i basically said look i'm

00:49:58.200 coming over from name a whatever political party and i was coming over to to reform because i think

00:50:04.420 i could well maybe he would like the second part of the explanation but yeah but nigel would reject 0.77

00:50:10.520 you on the fact that you're being a racist yes uh anyway so reform are really weird it's just

00:50:17.420 oh yes who is this party for what are you promising so you're like big business

00:50:22.280 ending working from home i'm going to defend the interest of big business and their giant

00:50:27.340 corporate buildings that they might have to sell uh if people work from home and things like that

00:50:31.580 and then conversely i'm going to bring in the labor that big business wanted to make sure the 0.96

00:50:36.980 wages of the working class in britain were under attack because i mean mass immigration is an 0.88

00:50:41.060 economic attack on the working class of the country right that's just straightforwardly true 1.00

00:50:44.980 if during the black death the british government had the option of bringing in oh yes millions of 0.80

00:50:51.720 indian immigrants okay if if that had happened we we would never have got parliamentary democracy 1.00

00:50:58.060 in the first place the only reason we got parliamentary democracy in the first place

00:51:00.920 is because the power of the individual worker went up after the black death right and they 0.98

00:51:04.760 had to start making concessions new elites were born these elites started fighting amongst them

00:51:09.920 amongst each other and they were like oh okay well let's instead of just having civil wars all the

00:51:15.000 time why don't why don't we just have uh parliamentary democracy and the elites can 1.00

00:51:18.580 still fight amongst themselves but they're fractures and then we had such a long period

00:51:22.340 of stability that the elites uh kind of self-selected like a virus um in an uncooperative

00:51:28.880 host and and the strain that made it to the top and we've ended up today with an elite that are

00:51:34.560 all aligned because they all have their place in the hierarchy and now they're trying to reject

00:51:39.640 they're trying to kill the organism that gave birth to it but yeah yeah you're exactly right

00:51:43.960 and and in fact maybe actually that's that's a good analogy because if indian immigration after

00:51:49.880 the black death would have stopped the formation of parliamentary democracy what is mass immigration 1.00

00:51:54.680 from the third world stopping the emergence of today that we would all instantly recognize as a 0.71

00:52:01.280 good thing had it come to and the answer is the economic power of the average person because

00:52:08.640 remember in the black death wages went up something like 30 or 40 percent yes because the the there

00:52:15.000 was a labor shortages and the yeoman we don't have peasants in bryton by the way um the yeoman

00:52:21.400 because they were um wage laborers so they were free to go wherever they wanted they could go to

00:52:26.100 anyone's uh land and work it uh well the lords had to pay out extra money and that became i mean

00:52:32.600 they were literally putting a cap on the amount they were able to extort the lords for because

00:52:36.900 they were like jesus christ we can't afford this and so as you say it caused an increasing of

00:52:42.720 freedom amongst the regular person the increase of the power of the citizenry the the people which

00:52:47.860 then created a middle class that then created artisans which then created the industrial

00:52:51.620 revolution and that's how we became a nation of shopkeepers well and an industrial powerhouse

00:52:56.060 and the world's greatest empire yes it's all it all kind of connects to that but but again

00:53:00.380 i mean yes what what's this preventing the economic development of the average person

00:53:05.200 Which would then in turn create the new political settlement that everybody would be happy with, which is not coming into existence.

00:53:11.780 So really, mass immigration is the way that the existing system makes sure that it lives on past its usefulness. 0.56

00:53:18.860 Exactly correct. That is exactly the point.

00:53:21.480 It is literally retarding the social and political development of the country to the benefit of the natives. 1.00

00:53:27.720 Sorry, at the expense of the natives.

00:53:29.960 Of the existing elites.

00:53:31.220 And to the benefit of an existing elite who have long outspent their welcomes.

00:53:35.920 That's what this does.

00:53:37.480 And Farage is a part of it.

00:53:39.180 Farage is willingly a part of it.

00:53:40.600 Oh, yeah, come in, yeah.

00:53:41.600 Yeah, no, we'll do everything for big business on both ends of it. 0.96

00:53:44.760 We'll directly protect their economic interests when it comes to workers

00:53:48.220 and against the workers' rights.

00:53:49.720 But then we're also going to bring in their replacement

00:53:51.860 that is going to depress their wages

00:53:53.300 and keep them impoverished and politically helpless.

00:53:57.140 Well, the most disgusting thing for me about Boris Johnson, for example,

00:54:00.980 was, and he admitted this in interviews since, that what happened is people started coming to

00:54:05.460 him. I mean, the financial times were won and a whole bunch of people came to him and said, look,

00:54:10.700 during COVID, workers' wages are going up. And this means margins of big businesses are going

00:54:15.340 to go down. And he was like, we can't have wages go up. Let's open the floodgates and get as many

00:54:20.360 people as possible. That's why he wanted the financial times to like him, because the wages

00:54:24.420 were going up. I have seen nothing from Nigel Farage that suggests that he is against that

00:54:30.120 logic in fact i've seen everything to suggest that he is in favor of that underlying logic

00:54:34.080 of keeping margins and big businesses high by suppressing the waging wages of the workers

00:54:39.780 and i and it's it's an entirely exploitative paradigm it's entirely exploitative and it's

00:54:45.140 against our flourishing our flourishing the british people the native inhabitants of the 1.00

00:54:50.060 country we are being held down by the paradigm that farage is here to save well and and thank

00:54:55.780 and thank goodness we don't we didn't have mass third world immigration just after the black 1.00

00:55:00.380 death because we would still literally have feudal lords and bishops ruling over our lives yes and

00:55:07.020 you wouldn't be in charge of i mean that actually sounds better than what we've got now but it

00:55:10.380 presumably by now it'd be so monstrously corrupt that it would be utterly intolerable we probably

00:55:15.280 would have had a french revolution it probably would have i mean then we'd be like the french

00:55:19.840 well exactly no but then we'd be we'd be trapped in this insecure um presidential democracy yes

00:55:26.540 i mean the french system is not one to be envied no right oh no no not envy the french revolution

00:55:31.420 at all uh and in fact it seems like a giant historical mistake and france still i mean

00:55:35.840 macron said france is missing spiritually it's missing its king right he understands that the

00:55:41.540 parliamentary system in france after 200 plus years is still a kind of artificial construct

00:55:45.900 that doesn't suit the nature of the country which is why they're constantly every weekend

00:55:48.900 out in the streets rioting so you know i don't want that i want what i want good governance

00:55:52.780 actually because it's a shadow monarchist system and we would have arrived in that place

00:55:57.720 had we not had the trajectory that we had so anyway reform are likely to do well in the local

00:56:04.520 elections because the thing the way things work in britain is that uh politics is on a massive

00:56:09.360 delay now uh yes cynical historians will say well it's about a hundred year delay uh but actually

00:56:15.480 it's not quite that that long in the modern era right but politics is on a delay so the the next

00:56:21.160 local elections there will only be reform and then everyone else and so the the reform party

00:56:26.620 is going to do quite well because reform is of course uh viewed as the do we have a proper

00:56:31.900 bar graph no no um there we go so um i mean there's still something to be said for smashing

00:56:39.680 the labor and conservatives oh there we go there's the seat projection right so uh yeah

00:56:44.060 don't get me wrong, that's fine, right?

00:56:46.540 So, Conservatives are going to lose 1,000 seats,

00:56:48.980 Labour nearly 2,000 seats.

00:56:50.540 The Greens are only going to gain 450.

00:56:52.620 So, that's interesting, right?

00:56:54.560 The Greens, at 20% of the polls,

00:56:56.500 are not getting 20%.

00:56:58.180 They're not getting that overwhelming sort of thing.

00:57:01.280 No, it's going to go to reform, right?

00:57:03.380 So, there's reform being perceived in the popular mind.

00:57:06.720 We know that they're not the party of the revolution,

00:57:09.800 but they're perceived as a protest vote.

00:57:11.760 i mean mind you the green support is clustered in the big cities which tend to have mayors

00:57:17.860 yeah that's true and and these are going to be county councils these are these are local councils

00:57:22.220 local councils but but that's fine i mean that's still you know that but what all this does is

00:57:27.660 reinforce the points we've been making throughout this entire series of videos right the old

00:57:31.660 consensus is dead the water of politics is flowing into new vessels and these new vessels are filling

00:57:37.180 up fast right now the question is can nigel farage hold on to these reform counselors no

00:57:43.160 right because i think it's entirely likely that hundreds of them end up defecting to restore

00:57:49.460 well i've seen a bit of that already yeah well we'll get into that in fact in a minute right

00:57:54.880 uh i think it's entirely likely that literally hundreds of these just go to restore because

00:57:59.600 reform are not what people expected them to be uh yeah and if you are currently a reform counselor

00:58:05.180 i can understand why you're just going to sit it out for a few weeks and then

00:58:09.100 yeah yeah and and you know most of the people below the leadership in reform are good solid

00:58:15.100 people who have worked really hard and really care about the issues and really care about the

00:58:18.320 country i'm sorry that you're just being led up the garden path yes i'm really sorry that they

00:58:24.120 the farage has essentially turned into a bit of a quizling staffed his party with labor and

00:58:29.040 tory politicians and is not i mean is going to do nothing against the system jenrich's speech

00:58:35.260 say i'm not going to do anything with the bank of england i'm not going to do anything with the

00:58:38.280 obr it's like what do you mean that's the what i'm i'm sure you like me i get messages all the

00:58:44.680 time from people who are uh i don't want to call them underlings but underlings in the reform party

00:58:51.440 they're branch chairman they're just lower in the hierarchy yeah yeah and and these guys are

00:58:57.380 absolutely spitting feathers over the way that they get treated i mean examples like oh the one

00:59:02.720 thing that stuck in my head was emails used to begin please and now they begin you are required

00:59:08.480 to stuff like that here's an example that you tweeted out the other day in fact right so this

00:59:12.580 is patrick bentham crosswell who says i've been an active member of reform since it was founded

00:59:16.760 before the brexit party before that uh the party i joined had a clear vision of how to solve the

00:59:20.900 country's problems uh that's how we fought the general election the professionalization of the

00:59:24.760 party has led to take its members and candidates for granted communications once began thank you

00:59:29.060 now more often start you you are required to the party's employees at millbank forget the branch

00:59:34.640 officers and candidates are unpaid volunteers and so he's resigning of course from the reform party

00:59:41.520 but this is indicative of a party that's rotting from within yeah and it's not just uh in the as

00:59:48.760 you said this is three branch leaders in as many days but then you had um reform uk have lost their

00:59:54.720 fourth scottish election candidate in less than a week uh because they're just not happy they're

00:59:59.800 not being supported by reform in london they've been treated very very poorly it absolutely uh

01:00:06.540 and it's it's really really bizarre again just really bizarre the decision making from within

01:00:11.700 reform about why they do the things they do and we've had lots of people uh viewers uh messaging

01:00:17.200 us to say i've been asked to stand as reform and it's like do it right stand stand as a local

01:00:25.740 reform council have extremely low expectations no no no no yeah no no no if you're a low seated

01:00:30.980 viewer oh right okay you stand as a reform counselor yes and then when the time comes

01:00:35.480 we're just all going to join a store yes like seriously you know i think i think like and

01:00:41.320 we've discussed this previously if nigel gets to about 19 of the polls i think he bounces

01:00:45.480 and he's just like yeah i'm out i would rather quit the news i think it's gonna be nigel's 0.96

01:00:50.300 philosophy and well as he has several times before in his yeah yes not without reason that we think

01:00:57.540 that this is what he'll do right as as you say exactly as he's done many times before uh and

01:01:02.980 then you're going to be left in the zia yusuf party robert jenberg party or you can come over

01:01:07.760 to rupert lowe's party which in itself the ground game's already beginning right you know we're

01:01:11.880 running the local branches you're free to come over to us because we know if you're watching us

01:01:15.660 we know you're a good you know you're on side so just do it you know reform reform are getting

01:01:21.420 desperate for candidates and just do it and you don't have to stay there forever you can come over

01:01:26.600 to us as soon because we can't it's too soon for us to run candidates in these elections anyway

01:01:31.780 yeah there's a lot of work i mean i can't imagine the amount of work that restore is

01:01:35.560 is going through at the moment just to get just to get the basic framework in place it's a huge

01:01:39.420 amount and we're all we're all pulling our weight uh so just come over when you're ready to come

01:01:43.240 over basically is all and a lot of people from reform on the mid-tier of the hierarchy have

01:01:48.340 already done this right well can you imagine how many reform council candidates are watching us

01:01:54.840 right now probably quite a few quite and you know like and this is why i'm always at pains to stress

01:01:59.740 i know a lot of people in the mid hierarchy of reform and they're all good people although this

01:02:04.720 is why i've never attacked uh anyone below the leadership of reform because they are good people

01:02:09.720 yeah they're not they're just doing their best and they they want this to be the vehicle and

01:02:14.580 it's not because they want for us they just think okay this is the most they're trying to save their

01:02:19.200 country exactly they're just good people trying to save their country and farage is the one letting

01:02:22.560 them down it's like okay well i'm sorry to hear it but thankfully we have a substantive alternative

01:02:26.600 now um but this this is the point about like reform they make such bizarre decisions man

01:02:32.600 they make such bizarre decisions

01:02:34.120 and I don't understand

01:02:35.080 their leadership

01:02:35.520 in the way that they act

01:02:36.600 because I mean

01:02:37.220 one of the things

01:02:37.780 that

01:02:38.080 what happens

01:02:39.160 when one of Rupert Lowe's

01:02:40.680 lads are attacked

01:02:41.300 he backs them

01:02:43.260 exactly

01:02:43.800 he comes to their defence

01:02:44.780 he says

01:02:45.440 we don't care about

01:02:46.320 your opinion on that

01:02:47.040 you know

01:02:47.580 as far as I'm concerned

01:02:48.720 he's a good man

01:02:49.520 he's doing a good job

01:02:50.260 so I don't care

01:02:50.940 what the attack is

01:02:51.680 well Nigel Farage

01:02:52.880 will just dump you

01:02:54.000 oh yeah

01:02:54.500 bids him immediately

01:02:55.580 and this one

01:02:56.800 Dan Whitton's covered it

01:02:58.100 this one's incredible

01:02:59.100 right

01:02:59.440 so one of the

01:03:00.340 Scotia Cansans

01:03:00.820 and this is

01:03:01.240 this is one of the reasons

01:03:02.120 that a bunch of them were resigning right uh he'd he'd made a joke about george michael

01:03:06.820 eight years ago now there are loads of jokes about george michael because george michael for anyone

01:03:12.760 who doesn't uh know he was a sort of a famous politician uh famous um pop star in this in the

01:03:18.880 80s and 90s yes famously gay i mean very talented man but then in his later years he became a bit 0.94

01:03:25.400 of a sex pest or something and so it's the one that became the dj i can't remember being a dj

01:03:30.960 But the point is, he had lots of controversies 0.58

01:03:33.160 where he was soliciting men in toilets and things like that.

01:03:36.220 And so there were lots of George Michael gay jokes going around. 0.55

01:03:41.580 And because...

01:03:43.160 We didn't have YouTube back in those days, 0.59

01:03:45.300 so we had to make George Michael gay jokes.

01:03:48.100 This is the only form of entertainment we had at the time. 0.56

01:03:50.100 And so eight years ago, this guy made a gay joke about George Michael.

01:03:52.860 And they binned him for that.

01:03:53.820 They binned him for that, right?

01:03:55.440 Okay, that's weird.

01:03:57.080 That's really weird.

01:03:57.640 There is like a 98% possibility that Farage has made a George Michael gay joke.

01:04:03.600 They were common currency in this country a decade ago.

01:04:07.900 Yeah, shocked if he hadn't, right?

01:04:09.620 Yeah.

01:04:09.960 So anyway, there's that on that side, which is, oh, he's made a George Michael gay joke.

01:04:15.240 But they stand by the guy doing the literal Nazi salute for some reason.

01:04:19.860 Right.

01:04:20.380 Now, what?

01:04:23.220 Like, is this the guy we stand by, is it?

01:04:25.640 But they did been.

01:04:27.640 the the the jewish reform guy who was a psychologist who said that hitler had a fascinating psychology

01:04:34.200 yeah he got binned he got binned so what are we doing now in this young man's defense he's a welsh 1.00

01:04:40.400 uh candidate right um in his oh the welsh get a pass today

01:04:43.840 main minority right i don't know he's doing the john cleese bit right he's doing the john cleese

01:04:51.700 uh bit where he puts the finger under his nose faulty towers faulty towers yeah that's it right

01:04:56.600 so that was a good episode yeah yeah yeah it's funny but the point is why stand by this guy

01:05:02.460 and not this guy like they're both just telling jokes oh you know they're offensive jokes okay

01:05:08.580 whatever i don't care i like offensive jokes right but why stand by this guy and not the other guy

01:05:12.800 what's the rationale what's the principle that you're upholding the mood of whichever three in

01:05:18.880 the senior leadership made the call in the split second that they were asked as they were walking

01:05:24.080 past the staffer's desk who'd been lumped with it it's so bizarre is yes right and so it's like

01:05:29.300 right okay i don't want this kind of feckless flighty politics right what i like about rupert

01:05:35.060 low a lot is that he just like with zach polanski i don't care yeah i don't care so when they binned

01:05:40.180 me when informed binned me because i was one of their candidates um the email that i got from

01:05:44.540 was very clearly copied and pasted because it had almost nothing to do with the situation

01:05:49.180 and it was it was just obvious that somebody had just i don't know maybe they'd macroed it they

01:05:55.120 pressed f here's why you caused us a political issue in the media you're fired yes yeah and

01:05:59.700 it's just that it's okay thanks thanks a lot anyway so let's let's talk about um barrage he's

01:06:04.760 currently uh campaigning here he is being heckled at the launch of uh their london local election

01:06:10.900 campaign uh should we watch it uh yes in the most fashionable parts of central london men now don't

01:06:18.400 Oh, we've got a screamer. 1.00

01:06:20.260 We've got a screamer. 1.00

01:06:21.400 Yay! 0.99

01:06:24.260 Boring.

01:06:25.780 Boring.

01:06:27.660 Boring.

01:06:34.600 So, as you can see, they've got the boring up on the screen.

01:06:40.020 And Farage is yelling boring at him.

01:06:43.200 So this is him on his, what looks like, honestly, the care home tour.

01:06:48.400 like sorry but yeah now i look at it yeah the blue light isn't hiding the silver hairs right

01:06:55.180 no so it's giving it a lovely accentuation actually yeah and when looking his response

01:07:02.020 to the heckler right it's not i think you're wrong i think you're uh incorrect i don't care

01:07:07.880 about the fact that you disagree with me yes no it's that you're boring well that implies that

01:07:13.440 we're here to be entertained this is this this is the bingo hall butlin's tour yeah of the care

01:07:23.100 homes that i'm here as a political entertainer yes i'm not here to debate i did just about to

01:07:28.000 get andrea ledsam out on stage in a sparkly silver dress and and and you're and look here 0.64

01:07:34.600 you are trying to talk about politics exactly boring exactly you're here boring our audience

01:07:39.980 and they're in danger of falling asleep

01:07:41.400 because it's already 8 o'clock

01:07:42.760 and they're going to bed at 9.

01:07:46.340 This is a terrible look, in my opinion,

01:07:49.380 for a party that's supposed to be

01:07:51.000 the party that's going to be the government.

01:07:52.300 It's so butlins.

01:07:54.120 It's incredibly, honestly, tedious.

01:07:57.000 Yes.

01:07:57.600 I have to constantly point out

01:08:00.080 that this is not serious.

01:08:01.400 This is not a serious party.

01:08:03.360 I suppose it's mildly more serious

01:08:06.080 than Zach Polanski,

01:08:07.260 but not by much.

01:08:08.360 and that's only because he doesn't have dancing BDSM gays on stage. 0.82

01:08:12.400 But that's the point.

01:08:13.980 It's exactly the same thing.

01:08:15.440 Oh, yes.

01:08:15.940 Right?

01:08:16.300 Like, Zach Palanski's like, 0.91

01:08:17.260 look at my dancing gays at the end of history. 0.93

01:08:19.040 And Nigel's like, 0.68

01:08:20.080 look at the bingo hall politics that we're doing

01:08:22.500 before the olds go to bed.

01:08:24.960 It's just like,

01:08:26.100 we're both here as just entertainers.

01:08:28.020 We're not here to solve any of the problems.

01:08:29.800 And so it's like, right, okay. 0.99

01:08:31.360 And the hecklers themselves are just brainless retards, basically. 0.99

01:08:34.640 Oh, what was he talking about? 0.99

01:08:35.560 Yeah, yeah, I'll show you.

01:08:38.360 I'm a son of a bricklayer and a son of a teaching assistant.

01:08:47.780 And reform is doing nothing for working class people like me and you.

01:08:52.180 He's got a point.

01:08:53.120 I don't disagree, but I can just tell I hate him.

01:08:55.240 Yeah, exactly.

01:08:55.800 And the other bit...

01:08:57.800 We just disrupted a Reform UK rally in Croydon

01:09:04.100 because we will not allow Nigel Farage's hate

01:09:06.860 to exist unopposed in London.

01:09:08.980 I prefer not to speak

01:09:11.040 because if I do, it will get me in trouble.

01:09:13.080 Sure, but just brainless MPC talking points.

01:09:15.000 Yes.

01:09:15.440 But at least the second I had a point,

01:09:16.920 what's Nigel Farage done for the working class?

01:09:19.600 Right?

01:09:20.120 Nothing, actually.

01:09:21.740 As we've already discussed,

01:09:22.900 he's done nothing to help.

01:09:24.600 And he seems to think nothing that will help.

01:09:27.740 And look, let's say you wanted,

01:09:30.220 let's say you did the Jacob Rees-Mogg thing

01:09:32.840 because Jacob Rees-Mogg,

01:09:33.720 whenever he got heckled he invited them up onto stage and in a conversation with them

01:09:36.840 let's say you were to do the jacob reese mog thing of speaking to this guy what is the the reform

01:09:43.340 still man argument that you would put to this young man about what are you doing for young

01:09:47.200 people and working class people what is it i don't know making sure you're not working at home 0.99

01:09:51.180 yes making sure that akhmed is your neighbor yes in fact he's your party leader next you know

01:09:58.860 he's second in command

01:09:59.820 sorry

01:10:00.460 yeah exactly

01:10:01.180 what are we doing

01:10:02.300 like what is your pitch

01:10:03.700 to these guys

01:10:04.480 and the answer is

01:10:05.660 you don't have one

01:10:06.580 like ignore the other guy 0.99

01:10:08.140 the black guy 0.99

01:10:08.660 who's just like 0.99

01:10:09.100 the you know

01:10:09.540 NPC about hate and whatnot

01:10:10.700 you know

01:10:11.320 this guy is actually

01:10:12.280 raising a substantive point

01:10:13.440 like what are they doing

01:10:14.760 for them

01:10:15.360 and the answer is

01:10:16.260 well I'm sorry

01:10:16.720 I'm on my bingo hall tour

01:10:17.800 for the wealthiest demographic

01:10:19.980 in all of human history

01:10:21.280 the boomers are the richest people

01:10:23.360 who have ever lived

01:10:24.380 I'd noticed

01:10:25.000 and Nigel Farage

01:10:26.980 is catering exclusively to them

01:10:29.080 Yes.

01:10:29.500 And he wonders why he's going down in the polls

01:10:31.040 and he's losing support.

01:10:32.180 And he doesn't see it at all either.

01:10:33.800 He doesn't see it.

01:10:35.100 And it's just like, no, you're boring the boomers.

01:10:38.440 It's like, oh, I'm so sorry.

01:10:39.940 I'm boring the boomers. 1.00

01:10:40.940 Like this young man, what is he, 30, 29, something like that?

01:10:43.780 Yeah, he's got real problems.

01:10:45.900 He's got real concerns.

01:10:47.780 He will never own a home.

01:10:49.640 He's going to be a minority in his own homeland.

01:10:51.540 He's going to have nothing.

01:10:52.980 And I can imagine Rupert Lowe responding to somebody like this

01:10:56.500 and saying, what I'm promising you,

01:10:58.860 it's incredible hardship in exchange for a better life yes and if you're a proper young man you

01:11:04.280 should be like yes yes that's exactly right it's going to be difficult but you're going to have a

01:11:09.440 better life for it you're going to have a better country to pass on to the kids you're going to

01:11:13.280 have young man you know like you could anything anything i mean like starmer is better presented

01:11:19.900 than than they are like this is no no no seriously right this is i can believe it i can believe it

01:11:26.300 As embarrassing as this is, Starmer is not doing bingo hall politics. 0.88

01:11:32.680 He's not dancing, gay dancing on stage. 1.00

01:11:35.400 This is his response to Trump trolling him about Iran. 0.97

01:11:38.200 You talk about our allies.

01:11:39.980 I mean, the special relationship is pretty much dead, isn't it?

01:11:43.280 I mean, Donald Trump is ridiculing you.

01:11:45.660 He's mocking you on social media.

01:11:47.300 I mean, how do you rebuild that?

01:11:48.480 Well, firstly, on defence, security and intelligence, we share that with the Americans 24-7.

01:11:58.080 And it's really important.

01:11:59.160 And we must never lose sight of that.

01:12:00.900 Whoever's the prime minister, whoever's the president, for decades now, that has been a very close relationship.

01:12:06.080 So for defence, security and intelligence, it's really important.

01:12:08.720 Yes, of course, there have been some hard discussions with President Trump.

01:12:13.280 But a lot of what he said is designed to put pressure on me to change my mind.

01:12:18.480 and to get dragged into this war, but I'm not going to do so.

01:12:22.140 I'm the British Prime Minister, and I act in the British national interest,

01:12:26.800 and always will, so whatever the pressure.

01:12:29.380 So, that was a bit quiet, but...

01:12:30.820 I couldn't hear any of that. What did he say?

01:12:32.860 He's saying that President Trump is trying to essentially troll me into a response,

01:12:37.080 but he says, well, no, look, I'm the British Prime Minister,

01:12:39.180 I'm going to do what's in a national interest,

01:12:41.180 and not get dragged into the wars with Iran and things like this.

01:12:43.860 And that's actually a really strong position.

01:12:45.680 That is, and it's the right answer.

01:12:47.800 It's the right answer, and it was also delivered calmly and sensibly, right?

01:12:52.120 It wasn't gays dancing on the stage. 0.99

01:12:53.760 It wasn't being antagonistic to people who, you know...

01:12:56.480 Yes.

01:12:57.240 It didn't shout boring at the journalist who asked the question.

01:13:00.100 Exactly.

01:13:00.560 He just answered it straightforwardly.

01:13:02.140 And so, like, weirdly, Keir Starmer, being the straight man of British politics,

01:13:06.680 as much as he's hated, is actually looking better than all the rest.

01:13:11.460 And it's like, okay, this is really weird.

01:13:12.960 I mean, this is not as advocating for Keir Starmer.

01:13:14.940 this is pointing out

01:13:15.760 this is the incredibly low bar

01:13:18.040 you need to jump

01:13:18.860 and they're all just

01:13:19.620 nose diving the sand

01:13:21.040 before they get to the bar

01:13:22.160 yeah

01:13:22.600 and Keir Starmer

01:13:23.400 is getting trounced

01:13:24.040 by reform and labour

01:13:24.920 yes

01:13:25.820 before reform and greens

01:13:27.260 greens yeah

01:13:27.700 yeah

01:13:28.600 and yet

01:13:29.520 who comes off as credible

01:13:30.980 in any of this right

01:13:31.980 now of course

01:13:32.700 not all MPs

01:13:33.880 do come off as credible

01:13:34.800 here's Stella Creasy

01:13:36.360 at a silent disco

01:13:37.500 silent disco

01:13:39.760 you bring your own music

01:13:41.080 you wear headphones

01:13:42.280 what an incredibly

01:13:44.340 retarded concept why do people do this i have no idea uh i got into a bit of a back and forth with

01:13:49.400 her on this on twitter saying i hope this is the one thing that future archaeologists find is just

01:13:53.600 this woman grinning gurning at the camera uh but like here we just know i've just had an idea i am

01:13:58.900 turning up to the next one and i'm going with that whatever it is our feeders and our store

01:14:03.500 something whatever it is i'll just be banging away in the middle having a great time but this

01:14:09.680 the point like okay keir starmer uh is actually looking sensible and credible but his mps aren't

01:14:15.260 like do you not realize your country is rotting from under your feet i mean she's going to lose

01:14:19.120 her seat to the greens keir starmer is going to lose his seat to the greens right they're both

01:14:23.240 predicted to lose their seats the country is rotting underneath them and she's like oh we're

01:14:27.960 just dancing in london at silent discos it's like okay great rage bait labor politician you need a

01:14:32.840 stronger word than clownish for the state of british politics preposterous it's absolutely

01:14:38.600 preposterous uh anyway so um obviously nigel farage is an fnat for jagossians right uh and

01:14:46.760 i mean literally we will give these people the jagossians a future in their homeland

01:14:50.960 could never say that about the brits i mean is this is this like i don't know when you've got

01:14:55.640 a newborn baby you you feed them the paste and then you then you give them a little bit of squishy

01:15:00.140 banana and you you build them up from jagossian um homeland until until eventually you're on the

01:15:06.320 solids of the British natives having a homeland. I mean, is this how it works? Do we just need to 1.00

01:15:11.080 feed him up through the stages or what? I guess we've yet to see that. And then,

01:15:17.060 of course, you've got Farage just going how it's 1940. Oh, he's always 1940. Yeah, exactly. You

01:15:22.180 know, we watch this to end on, actually. I'm here to give leadership to this movement. I'm here to

01:15:27.260 give you a voice. I'm here to urge you to please all yourselves. Do your bit to stand up. This is,

01:15:34.600 this is this is 1940 all over again the very existence of our nation its culture its identity

01:15:43.000 is under threat and i'm going to do my damnedest to stand up and fight for it with i mean on sunday

01:15:51.400 the clocks went forward and we have our annual debate about whether the clock should move forward

01:15:55.580 pete hitchens is right about that he is i want the clocks to move forward from 1940 can we please

01:16:01.320 move the clocks forward from 19 it is always 1940 i mean he literally said the meme but the the

01:16:08.480 point is nigel it's it's not literally 1940 no we don't have germans flying overhead we actually

01:16:15.180 don't have a world-spanning empire we aren't the richest nation in the world uh we are not actually

01:16:20.820 uh in the problems that we were in in we don't even have vaguely serious politicians yeah we

01:16:25.980 don't have we have one but we don't have serious politicians we don't have a giant navy we don't

01:16:29.940 have anyone like in government we don't have anyone credible wandering around talking about

01:16:35.360 things as they actually are and our politicians are in these bizarro like just hyper real frames

01:16:42.520 where it's like yeah we can just gay dance at the end of history and the muslims won't do anything 0.99

01:16:46.160 or we're in 1940 and we're fighting the nazis again it's like no no we're literally not i mean

01:16:50.880 what i would give to have the parliament of 1940 be the parliament of today but it's not that it's 1.00

01:16:57.640 a bunch of insincere idiots the clowns ruin free this is a labor mp dancing around in her silent 0.99

01:17:06.000 disco like we this is 94 our problems are profoundly different we had an amazing country 1.00

01:17:15.760 in 1940 we don't have an amazing country now millions of people would go out and actually

01:17:20.760 fight for the country in 1940 that's not going to happen now right they might fight against the

01:17:25.140 country but that's about it exactly right so you know well farage is off rallying the care homes

01:17:29.920 and the green party are about to get chucked off rooftops like the things are very very different

01:17:38.060 right things are very very different they are and so we have to be looking to the future and actually

01:17:43.820 to the real problems that real people have because whether you like this guy or not

01:17:48.340 i don't i probably don't either but he has real problems he does right and he recognizes he has

01:17:54.680 real problems and okay he's been taken in by the greens who are not offering real solutions and

01:17:59.800 are offering you know terrible outcomes but they're at least offering something and so we have to 0.83

01:18:06.300 understand that sort of the clown show gay dancing at the end of history on both sides that's got to 0.84

01:18:11.980 end right politics is serious oh yes really suffering and we need to perform a service to 0.96

01:18:18.880 them by providing the solid

01:18:20.760 credible sensible

01:18:21.860 sort of demonstrable

01:18:25.020 alternative which Farage

01:18:26.800 obviously isn't which is why he's tanking the polls

01:18:28.840 and which is why Polanski

01:18:31.140 I think is

01:18:32.260 going to get a shock

01:18:35.000 at the end of his journey as well

01:18:36.880 as he watches the ninth thraw

01:18:41.000 whiz by

01:18:42.160 it's not what I want for him or anything

01:18:45.060 like that

01:18:45.360 when you make your bed you have to lie in it

01:18:48.580 Yeah, 100%.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - April 01, 2026

Gay Dancing at the End of History

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