The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - How We Won Great Yarmouth ｜ Interview with Rupert Lowe MP

00:00:00.000 Hi, folks. I have the pleasure to once again interview Rupert Lowe after his superb victory in Great Yarmouth.

00:00:06.720 Before we begin, I just want to say that I'm a member of Restore Britain.

00:00:09.920 I'm a local organiser in Swindon for Restore Britain.

00:00:12.460 So this is a friendly interview, just letting my biases on the table there.

00:00:16.140 But Rupert, what a great victory.

00:00:19.900 Well, Carl, firstly, let me say what a pleasure it is to be back at Lotus Eaters.

00:00:22.780 I was a bit disappointed when I asked everybody outside whether they were causing enough trouble,

00:00:26.860 and they didn't seem to give me a very definitive answer.

00:00:29.100 We're very good boys.

00:00:30.340 I don't know why you would think that.

00:00:31.880 It's very good to be here.

00:00:33.900 And yeah, after, as you say,

00:00:37.300 I think a historic win in Great Yarmouth,

00:00:41.380 for Great Yarmouth first.

00:00:43.580 And what we've done, I think,

00:00:46.940 and we should give credit, first of all,

00:00:48.560 to the people in Great Yarmouth, the voters,

00:00:50.560 who believe in what we're doing.

00:00:53.120 They're fantastic people.

00:00:54.140 We had to go east to find real people.

00:00:55.920 They supported what we're doing.

00:00:57.420 They can see what we're doing.

00:00:58.700 We asked nine people who've been in business, who've been in other professions, who've actually contributed to their local community, all from Great Yarmouth, and they were from outside politics.

00:01:12.160 So the model has been proved now in Great Yarmouth.

00:01:15.500 And these nine people, brave, put themselves forward, campaigned along with us, and we have effectively shown what model locally can work, which we can then roll out nationally.

00:01:28.700 But I should say the most exciting thing for me was that we saw huge numbers of people from all over the country come to help us canvass.

00:01:39.520 So on the Friday, I was blown away.

00:01:41.200 We had 500 people from all over the country.

00:01:45.440 And then on the Thursday of election day, we probably had 400.

00:01:49.060 They'd all traveled to Great Yarmouth.

00:01:50.700 As you know, it's not the easiest place to get to.

00:01:52.740 I had people from Inverness, Aberdeen.

00:01:57.800 Somebody driven down from Aberdeen.

00:02:00.640 We had people from Fife, from Glasgow, from Liverpool, Leeds.

00:02:07.540 Always got to have a Scouser or two.

00:02:09.020 You had people from our offices. 0.99

00:02:10.700 Some of my chaps came down. 1.00

00:02:11.320 People from your offices.

00:02:12.500 We had people from Devon, from Cornwall, from Sussex, from the Midlands.

00:02:17.260 We had real people, and they feel passionate about what we're doing.

00:02:21.760 So they came and helped us, and so it was a team effort.

00:02:25.080 It was real people working with real people,

00:02:28.800 and Great Yarmouth were voting for real people.

00:02:31.860 So I think this is a historic result for what?

00:02:38.000 Basically for Great Yarmouth.

00:02:39.320 We should give Great Yarmouth credit.

00:02:40.720 They are great people.

00:02:42.680 Because Great Yarmouth first, I think I should say,

00:02:46.660 Great Yarmouth has shown first how it can be done.

00:02:50.640 And so, look, it's really exciting,

00:02:52.980 and it's had virtually no media coverage whatsoever.

00:02:57.420 I mean, to win 10 out of 10 seats,

00:03:00.320 nine county council seats and a borough council seat,

00:03:04.120 and the two stats we should talk about,

00:03:06.640 the first one is the fact that turnout was 60% higher

00:03:10.480 than in the same vote in 2021 or 22, whatever it was.

00:03:15.560 It was 21, whereas it was 21.

00:03:17.100 21, I think it was.

00:03:18.220 Yeah.

00:03:19.160 So 60% up.

00:03:20.180 So this is people who've not been engaged in politics before.

00:03:23.300 That's the exciting thing.

00:03:25.340 So you could actually halve the vote we got for every candidate and we'd still win.

00:03:30.440 Yeah.

00:03:30.720 So I wanted to dig into the numbers a little bit because this was particularly fascinating.

00:03:35.320 So, I mean, to begin, I saw arch critics of Restore claiming, and obviously a critic is

00:03:42.500 inclined to minimize numbers, and they had to admit, well, there were probably 350 activists

00:03:47.080 on the ground.

00:03:47.780 and for a local election i've never heard of such a thing that is a huge number and even if it's so

00:03:54.920 somewhere between 350 to 500 what you're estimating that's a that's an almost absurd number of people

00:04:01.160 canvassing in one constituency but i think it's well hang on uh because like that's that's a huge

00:04:08.680 amount of energy yeah that has been summoned up and a huge amount of belief that went into it

00:04:12.760 And then to win by the margins that you want, to get an average turnout of something like 47% across the ward is incredible because, I mean, it's a local election.

00:04:23.660 Normally they have about a 30% turnout, as they did in 2021, as you say.

00:04:27.920 But then to win by such margins, the average percent of the vote in each of these nine wards was 46%.

00:04:37.220 i mean it's hard to imagine uh a more i mean just it was a cavalcade a complete route but it was

00:04:47.260 and the exciting thing was as i say we got the support from everybody and and in in time they'll

00:04:53.380 they'll probably have their local elections and i'm sure uh assuming you know other people have

00:04:58.340 got the time they'll go and help them and we've proved the model that's the exciting thing but

00:05:02.800 the point I always get accused of is, oh, you're going to split the vote. No, we're not splitting

00:05:07.640 the vote. What we're doing is we're bringing people back to politics who've given up on the

00:05:13.300 way in which Britain is governed. And I increasingly find myself looking at Starmer and looking at the

00:05:21.860 Labour front bench and looking at what's happened over the last 20 or 30 years, well, really since

00:05:26.640 Tony Blair. And I think how have the British people been hoodwinked by this system that

00:05:33.180 basically serves them up a slate of people from parties that they don't respect, they don't like,

00:05:39.580 they don't want to vote for? So these people have actually left voting. And as you know,

00:05:43.880 in the last election, I think the turnout was only 59%. As I call it, Keir Starmer's

00:05:51.140 land slip election victory that's what it was it's it's wafer thin actually if you if you dig

00:05:57.100 if 10 shift away from he loses most of the seats in fact i i don't see how labor can ever survive

00:06:05.300 what's been happening again i i think this is the end of the labor party i've been saying exactly

00:06:09.620 the same thing people people are saying well it's going to be rough i was saying look this is the

00:06:14.160 last labor government we're ever going to see thank god yeah i think it is i think they are

00:06:20.040 a farce i mean the people in parliament are a farce the the mps are a farce uh you know they

00:06:26.820 how could you say that about david lammy or rachel reeves or honestly carl i went into parliament

00:06:32.940 thinking you know i've been in business all my life these people must be able they must be bright

00:06:38.140 they must know they must know something let me tell you definitively they know nothing and these

00:06:45.720 are the people making the decisions these are the people who are trying to hold the civil service to

00:06:49.420 account. Ministers are supposed to basically decide and advisors advise. But if the ministers

00:06:55.740 don't know what they're deciding about, they can't hold the other people to account. So

00:07:00.760 what our system has done is created this genetic pool of almost reverse Darwinism,

00:07:09.540 where we have the weakest people making the biggest decisions. And gradually what's happened

00:07:14.100 is the state has accreted power to the extent that it accounts

00:07:18.260 for at least 50% of GDP if you take all the sort of indirect state bodies.

00:07:23.960 And as one of my biggest donors observed, he said,

00:07:26.740 the problem is, and he's a great guy, I said, the problem is,

00:07:29.800 and I'm going to quote him, I'm not going to say who he is,

00:07:31.300 but I'm going to quote him because he's brilliant,

00:07:32.520 and we're sending him the policy because policy is our next plan.

00:07:35.980 Big policy documents coming out on lots of stuff

00:07:38.160 because I think we know how to rebuild the country

00:07:40.680 if people believe in what we're doing.

00:07:42.680 But he said, if you spend your own money when you go to a restaurant, you get value.

00:07:49.360 If you spend somebody else's money, you probably get some value, but probably less value than

00:07:55.960 if you're spending your own money.

00:07:57.480 If you've got other people spending other people's money, which is what we have now

00:08:02.100 with the state, you get no value.

00:08:04.920 That's why you get deficient contracts like the Bibi Stockholm contract, which was presided

00:08:09.100 over by Braverman, who was then Home Secretary, and Generic, who was, I think, Employment

00:08:14.620 Minister at the time, Immigration Minister at the time.

00:08:17.720 So $1.5 billion given to some abstruse Bradford company.

00:08:23.640 Honestly, Carl, what happens is what happens is fraud creeps in.

00:08:29.060 And what happens is the agents start to take money around the back, and you get the breakdown

00:08:36.000 of a sort of Protestant ethic, which is what's founded Britain.

00:08:40.300 And you get dishonesty on a grand scale.

00:08:42.760 And I actually think that's what's happened in our judiciary,

00:08:45.240 in our police, in our social services, in our NHS.

00:08:48.240 I mean, the NHS is just a fraud.

00:08:50.100 It's a complete fraud.

00:08:50.920 Can I...

00:08:52.080 So I think people can see it.

00:08:53.920 And what's exciting for me, and this is important,

00:08:58.620 I've said I'll stand till 29.

00:09:00.080 I'm going to give it till 29.

00:09:01.620 So you're building the branch in Swindon, as you just disclosed,

00:09:04.580 which is fantastic.

00:09:05.780 We're seeing reflexively branches jumping up all across the country.

00:09:09.880 And in the same way, Carl, that I didn't go to the count,

00:09:13.200 because that wasn't my result, that was the result of the nine local councillors.

00:09:18.020 And John Whedon also won the borough council by election.

00:09:21.700 So I actually would love to have been there,

00:09:23.640 because actually being there for the victory is great.

00:09:26.460 But I made a conscious decision.

00:09:27.860 I said, no, if I'm there, everybody wants to talk to me.

00:09:31.820 I don't want that.

00:09:32.440 I want them talking to the people who won the election.

00:09:35.820 I'm already the MP.

00:09:37.600 I help these people win their election.

00:09:40.540 It's right that they should take the glory because they did a lot of the work

00:09:43.900 and they were helped a lot by volunteers, as you say.

00:09:47.540 But what our system and what Blair did is he created a presidential system.

00:09:52.840 Farage loves it.

00:09:54.600 You know, all these people, power accretes to one person.

00:09:58.860 I don't want that.

00:09:59.940 I want to devolve power, and that's what's so exciting about the branches.

00:10:04.480 I want them to look at what we've done in Great Yarmouth.

00:10:07.360 I want them to replicate it, work as hard, win the local elections,

00:10:11.840 and then we're ready to table a full card of MPs who've got business experience,

00:10:19.500 who are known in their locality, and the branches are a segue

00:10:22.740 into selecting your candidate.

00:10:26.200 And then when we go into the general election, Restore will stand everywhere.

00:10:29.500 And if people don't want that, that's fine.

00:10:32.980 I'm a Democrat.

00:10:33.860 I accept that.

00:10:34.820 But I think they do want it.

00:10:36.520 And I think if we can collectively deliver that formula,

00:10:41.560 we're going to win the election.

00:10:42.660 I've never felt so certain.

00:10:44.120 People think I've gone completely potty.

00:10:46.420 No, I'm very much...

00:10:47.160 Reform accused me of having dementia. 1.00

00:10:48.580 Maybe they were right.

00:10:50.340 But I think we're going to win.

00:10:52.300 You know what?

00:10:53.760 I was nervous about the great Yarmouth elections

00:10:56.160 because, of course, this was the first great test of the system.

00:10:58.380 I was nervous about the count.

00:10:59.500 we had to watch like hawks really oh yeah uh but i've i've heard from people uh you know friends

00:11:05.000 of the show who are on the ground and they said when they opened up the boxes and you could just

00:11:09.200 see the number the the stacks they were like we've won this we know we've won it and then after the

00:11:15.660 first three came out i tweeted i was like oh my god you've carried all before you this has just

00:11:20.580 been a roll and then they all just kept coming and coming and that was it it was just so tell me

00:11:25.960 we did that video did you see the little clip where we put farage saying we'd only get we'd

00:11:29.860 probably get less than one percent i featured it myself one percent one percent one percent

00:11:33.120 evening great yarmouth evening great yarmouth and then we had uh you know sheila ox to be the

00:11:37.040 the returning officer reading out each every result yeah but look we on my team we took it

00:11:42.780 very very cautiously yes because we knew that in k-star we had a fantastic candidate we had a

00:11:50.340 fantastic candidate everybody in k-star we were particularly strong there were literally great

00:11:53.800 yarmouth first board was everywhere and it was a fan it's a fantastic place cases where i actually

00:11:59.320 uh with my son spent the entire day on election day in 24 um talking to the good people of caseta

00:12:06.360 and we got a fantastic reception didn't know me then right but we we knew that in case of daniel

00:12:12.520 was probably going to get a hell of a vote but until we knew until it had been announced we

00:12:18.200 we did not comment on it.

00:12:20.540 But once we'd done the clean sweep,

00:12:22.880 we weren't sure if we'd do it.

00:12:24.840 Actually, as I said, you can halve every vote

00:12:26.940 and we'd have still done it.

00:12:28.000 So that shows you the margin by which we won.

00:12:30.180 Now that's not us scrapping for Tory voters

00:12:33.880 or scrapping for reform voters

00:12:35.360 or scrapping for Labour voters.

00:12:37.400 I think the majority of those people,

00:12:38.840 and we're going to do some analysis on the data,

00:12:41.400 I think the majority of that is people

00:12:43.360 who are coming back to politics.

00:12:44.940 It feels like something very new.

00:12:46.320 That's the excitement. That is the exciting thing, because we, I think, finally want to offer the British people what they should have, which is a true democracy, which is based on real people representing real people.

00:12:59.780 And that's what Great Yarmouth First was.

00:13:01.920 So can I tell you some of my experience so far organizing in Swindon?

00:13:05.900 Because I've had a very interesting experience.

00:13:09.120 First off, the hunger for something like this has been remarkable.

00:13:14.160 I mean, our first meeting was just packed out.

00:13:15.820 They're young, too.

00:13:17.260 Not just young, right?

00:13:18.840 So what's really interesting is it's a complete cross-section of the entire town.

00:13:23.340 We've had young people.

00:13:24.940 We've had people in their early 30s.

00:13:27.880 And then we've had people of my age.

00:13:29.440 And then we've had people of your age.

00:13:30.980 And it's a vast cross-section of the entire thing, like an ice core of the entire town.

00:13:37.460 But a lot of it is mums and dads who are professionals or maybe they're small business owners like myself,

00:13:43.600 who are just very concerned about the state of the country.

00:13:46.520 We are very, very concerned, saying, oh, hang on a second,

00:13:49.200 this is not going the way that we thought it was going to go.

00:13:51.500 Well, look at the borrowing figures today.

00:13:53.140 I've just seen, as you know, waiting for sterling to collapse.

00:13:56.600 I mean, Labour, the people don't know what they're doing.

00:13:59.700 Yes.

00:14:00.080 They've got this sort of myopic view.

00:14:03.060 They've never done anything.

00:14:04.240 Yeah.

00:14:04.820 And how can you know the consequences of what you're doing?

00:14:08.020 All these tax increases, national insurance increases,

00:14:10.160 All the new laws, you know, the workers' rights

00:14:12.900 and these renters' rights acts. 0.76

00:14:16.860 Honestly, Carl, they are strangling real Britain. 0.84

00:14:20.980 And that's what we've got to cut that Gordian knot. 0.90

00:14:23.720 We've got to release the British people. 1.00

00:14:25.620 I know what we need to do. 1.00

00:14:27.180 Oh, absolutely.

00:14:27.860 The problem is I have to have a mandate to do it.

00:14:30.900 But the thing is, I mean, all of these economic proposals

00:14:34.200 that they're making are all predictable and have been done,

00:14:36.980 and we know what the consequences are.

00:14:38.300 We know, for example, if they are currently essentially punishing landlords, well, you're going to get a reduction in the number of properties that are available to rent, which is actually not good for people who need to rent properties.

00:14:51.460 I know people who are being kicked out of their houses ahead of this Renters' Rights Act because otherwise you can't get them out.

00:14:59.000 They don't have to pay the rent.

00:15:00.020 They can trash your house.

00:15:01.540 I mean, it's just completely illogical.

00:15:04.120 It has the opposite effect of what they've done.

00:15:05.680 What really irritates me is, you know, I see these people in Parliament.

00:15:08.820 What's happened is the left have been extremely underhand.

00:15:12.020 As you know, the Fabians, we've talked about them before,

00:15:14.180 the sort of, you know, the people who gradually have crept 1.00

00:15:18.380 into every part of our society and undermined it through guile,

00:15:22.200 you know, wolf and sheep's clothing.

00:15:24.380 So effectively what they've done is they've actually undermined accountability

00:15:28.460 and they've undermined the way in which our democracy works

00:15:32.520 and they've done it by design.

00:15:34.880 And what's actually happened is finally, I think, decent people.

00:15:38.620 And this is what's so exciting about what happened in Great Yarmouth.

00:15:42.540 And this is the message I think everybody needs to take away from it.

00:15:44.940 Because you're not going to read about it in the newspapers.

00:15:46.880 We're not going to hear about it on GB News, certainly. 1.00

00:15:49.500 You know, that Greek lad who runs GB News seems to have become

00:15:52.520 the Nigel Farage Broadcasting Corporation.

00:15:55.260 Quite why Ofcom haven't intervened yet, I don't know.

00:15:57.420 But I've not said anything to them.

00:15:59.040 But maybe one day they'll wake up.

00:16:00.580 but so no i look i it's so exciting and i and i think people can take heart from this let me let

00:16:07.520 me tell you something that we've discovered um the the first thing is people have got loads of

00:16:12.240 great ideas uh so we had the last branch meeting on sunday and people were just firing these superb

00:16:18.720 ideas at me and so me and my team were like yeah great write it all down we're going to do it all

00:16:23.360 and we've got a really good whatsapp group where we're coordinating but one thing that um we've

00:16:27.600 been doing a lot of leafleting uh so i've i've gone through about 30 000 leaflets so far uh with

00:16:32.960 our activists i think we've helped each branch from oh yeah oh yeah are you getting the support

00:16:37.880 you oh yeah we're getting me yeah yeah it was actually really strange i i uh i can't remember

00:16:42.340 the chap's name now but i messaged him saying we're almost out of leaflets can we get some

00:16:45.580 more and it was the next uh yeah it was scott yeah it was either scott or leon no no it was

00:16:50.160 scott and uh the next day they arrived and we were on blind that was quick um but um one thing

00:16:56.260 that we've noticed after talking to people in the local area like for example we've been

00:17:00.200 organizing in pubs as is the traditional english way right and we were we were at one pub the other

00:17:07.960 day we had about 15 volunteers to go leafleting which is a superb this is just in one ward right

00:17:13.260 this is just in one ward we had 15 volunteers go leafleting and one of the chaps was like well i'm

00:17:18.040 in the pub now why don't i start giving them out and afterwards he'd gone around the pub giving out

00:17:22.460 these leaflets and he came back and said everyone thought we were the greens and but what does that

00:17:27.620 tell you that's the only people these folks have ever seen politically organizing and they were

00:17:32.280 obviously relieved that we weren't and there's there's been a constant refrain from all of these

00:17:37.420 people that they've told us the same thing over and over we thought it was too late that's what

00:17:43.040 everyone's been saying but carly this is what's so exciting because when i stood for the referendum

00:17:46.980 party had the similar thing okay so you you had real people who decided they were going to

00:17:53.360 actually they believed in something and they were going to work for it because that's what we need

00:17:57.300 yes we can't do it as a little group of people i say to my friends you can't expect me to shoulder 0.99

00:18:02.620 a lot of the cost and a lot of the a lot of the agro and a lot of the sort of you know uh stress

00:18:08.280 frankly of being of doing this because you carry a huge burden of responsibility you've got the

00:18:13.960 The media's sniping at you every five seconds,

00:18:16.340 and I'm expecting another onslaught of media attack.

00:18:19.860 And the media has been rather off.

00:18:21.720 There's not much left to attack me on,

00:18:24.240 but I'm sure they'll find something.

00:18:25.700 So if they come at me, Carl, tell everybody,

00:18:28.560 shut your ears because it's not true.

00:18:30.560 But they're going to get increasingly desperate.

00:18:32.760 They've been rather hands-off at the moment

00:18:34.580 because they don't want to draw a lot of attention to you.

00:18:37.020 But at some point, you're going to get the Zach Polanski treatment.

00:18:39.540 I mean, I don't know what they're saying.

00:18:40.180 Well, I think one of two things will happen.

00:18:42.080 Either that will happen, and I'm expecting that.

00:18:43.740 I've already had an introduction.

00:18:44.520 It absolutely will.

00:18:45.300 It might be about to start.

00:18:47.440 But the other thing that happens, because I think the media have missed a big trick here,

00:18:51.300 which is what makes me think that Nigel Farage probably is managed opposition,

00:18:56.700 because what we did in Great Yarmouth, we have put a trail of blood in the water.

00:19:02.560 That's what we've done.

00:19:03.460 I agree.

00:19:03.900 And as I said on Dan Wotton's show, in my opinion,

00:19:07.700 reform are now just warehousing, restore Britain's votes for them.

00:19:11.200 Yep.

00:19:11.700 Okay?

00:19:12.920 Now, when there's blood in the water,

00:19:15.740 sooner or later, a shark smells it.

00:19:18.960 Now, why hasn't a shark smelt it already

00:19:21.580 and highlighted the fact that this is arguably

00:19:25.320 the Achilles heel of reform?

00:19:27.360 Because I think a lot of people find it difficult

00:19:30.280 to believe in, Nigel.

00:19:31.880 You've got all this stuff now about, you know,

00:19:34.400 five million pounds from Harbourn.

00:19:36.540 What's that for?

00:19:37.300 I've never been given five million quid.

00:19:38.780 Nobody's ever offered it to me.

00:19:39.640 You know, frankly, who gives five million pounds of that?

00:19:42.500 Some quid pro quo on the other side of it.

00:19:45.080 And then there's these, Ben Habib talking about a million pounds here to Boris

00:19:48.320 and a million pounds there.

00:19:49.840 Who knows?

00:19:50.620 Now, you know, I do think our system's become corrupt.

00:19:53.520 I do think the judiciary's corrupt. 0.71

00:19:55.040 As I just said, the police are corrupt. 0.98

00:19:56.820 A lot of the lawyers are corrupt. 0.99

00:19:58.120 A lot of the barristers are corrupt. 0.97

00:19:59.280 I think the whole thing has become a scam.

00:20:00.920 And the law, by the way, is something which needs to be dealt with.

00:20:05.000 Because we talk about being under the rule of law.

00:20:08.340 I don't think we have the rule of law anymore.

00:20:10.560 We've got the rule of lawyers, and we've got the rule of judges

00:20:13.360 whose judgments are often completely off the wall and illogical.

00:20:17.200 And that's because the Supreme Court is no longer accountable to Parliament.

00:20:21.440 It's effectively a quango, and it's become a woke quango.

00:20:25.000 And the judgments on some of these Pakistani rapists and all this sort of stuff, 0.69

00:20:29.980 it's just quite extraordinary.

00:20:32.020 There should be one law for everybody, and it doesn't matter who you are,

00:20:35.780 where you're from, what your upbringing is.

00:20:38.160 if you perpetrate a crime you are punished in an equal way for perpetrating that crime and yet you

00:20:44.660 read judges saying oh well he was brought up in a different culture he wouldn't understand

00:20:48.660 no he's broken our law sorry can i get back to the campaign but but honestly this is so important

00:20:54.780 and this is why i think people are beginning to see it and respond to it i know the the the i'm

00:21:01.800 really interested in how you did it on like a practical level in great yarmouth um i you know

00:21:07.660 obviously because i'm interested well my team was fantastic so what what was like the daily

00:21:12.820 experience well as you know so and i've urged everybody who's standing in a branch to get their

00:21:18.580 social media on running because in great yarmouth obviously we have a big social media footprint we

00:21:25.140 do now nationally which is why in some ways i don't care if i don't get covered by the media

00:21:29.640 because all that happens is if people want to follow what we're doing they have to follow us

00:21:32.960 on social media which so our social media just keeps growing which is great it's already bigger

00:21:36.760 than most newspapers anyway.

00:21:39.540 And so I don't mind that, but get the social media working.

00:21:44.020 Get people engaged, to your point.

00:21:45.660 And I was going to tell you about the referendum party.

00:21:47.080 So when we did it, you know, if people really care about something,

00:21:51.060 so if Carl Benjamin says, I'm going to drop Rupert Lowe

00:21:54.100 at Sirencester Station, and then he's going to leaflet the train

00:21:58.280 between Sirencester and so-and-so is going to pick him up from Swindon,

00:22:02.620 it worked like clockwork.

00:22:04.000 Why?

00:22:04.520 Because people weren't being told what to do.

00:22:06.620 They were working it out at our committee.

00:22:08.320 So I'll do that.

00:22:09.220 I'll do that.

00:22:09.780 I'll do that.

00:22:10.580 Worked, ran on rails.

00:22:11.960 That's exactly the experience.

00:22:13.100 And this is what I hope is going to happen.

00:22:15.680 Yeah.

00:22:16.020 And I hope it's going to happen across the country.

00:22:16.740 No, no, that's exactly what's happening now.

00:22:18.620 So get the social media going.

00:22:20.000 You can communicate.

00:22:21.160 Yeah.

00:22:21.580 You've just talked about WhatsApp, Bruce.

00:22:23.380 And actually, it's easier now than it used to be because we've got the digital revolution,

00:22:27.800 which allows us all to communicate much more effectively.

00:22:30.140 It means we don't need to be brainwashed by big media moguls who are lining their pockets by effectively driving media distribution as they want it driven, not as the truth should drive it.

00:22:46.200 So I think that's the key.

00:22:48.020 Then obviously the enthusiasm car you'll find will just explode.

00:22:52.340 And that's what I call reflexive growth of our branches.

00:22:57.520 And that's what we're seeing every day.

00:22:59.260 And, you know, we've got fantastic people now springing up all over the country.

00:23:04.140 You see them, you know, they're holding up their boards.

00:23:06.240 Well, they're everywhere.

00:23:07.000 But I can't get around them all.

00:23:08.340 You know, I'm one man.

00:23:09.940 I've got to fight the beast in Parliament.

00:23:11.700 The beast is like the hydra.

00:23:13.940 You cut one head off and about six sprout out behind it.

00:23:17.520 So, you know, we've got to do both. 0.68

00:23:20.040 We have to win at local level and we have to then win the general election in 29.

00:23:24.740 That gives Britain a chance.

00:23:27.820 I can't guarantee it.

00:23:29.620 And I'm not promising a nirvana, but I'm pretty sure that if we then put in the necessary

00:23:34.860 policies, which we're going to produce now, going to produce an economic paper, that's

00:23:38.860 pretty far down the line.

00:23:39.920 I've been working on that with some very able people.

00:23:43.600 We've got a policy document now coming out on net zero and reviving North Sea oil and

00:23:48.440 gas.

00:23:48.900 Oh, excellent.

00:23:49.280 What lunacy is Ed Miliband perpetrating on the country?

00:23:53.140 Borders and defence policy.

00:23:55.180 We've got papers coming out on the countryside.

00:23:58.260 I've got papers coming out on the lunacy of overregulation in the city,

00:24:02.120 which has killed our financial markets, the FCA and the PRA,

00:24:05.280 which came from the FSA and Financial Services Market Act.

00:24:08.340 That's all got to go.

00:24:10.140 So we're going to produce papers, and people are going to read what we're going to do.

00:24:13.940 No other party's doing that.

00:24:15.800 No other party's produced a proper deportation document,

00:24:19.420 a mass deportation document.

00:24:20.540 I'm not saying we should deport whole communities,

00:24:23.500 which Nigel Farage has accused me of.

00:24:25.220 No, it's all set out.

00:24:26.560 Read the document.

00:24:27.360 It's there.

00:24:27.800 It's on our website, on a PDF.

00:24:29.680 We've done one on an Englishman's Home, Mrs. Castle.

00:24:31.720 We've done one on the pubs.

00:24:33.300 We're going to be producing these papers.

00:24:35.100 Student debt's got to be sorted out.

00:24:36.860 We've got to be coming out on that.

00:24:37.980 VAT's got to be sorted out, the VAT threshold.

00:24:41.020 Obviously, the big one is IHT.

00:24:43.820 We're going to get rid of IHT.

00:24:45.240 It's a relatively minor tax in terms of tax collection,

00:24:48.860 but why should the state continue to strengthen itself

00:24:52.880 and weaken the private sector?

00:24:54.860 As I just said, the state is other people spending other people's money

00:24:59.720 and then it doesn't make any sense.

00:25:01.980 So if people agree with me, let's all get going lawfully, quietly,

00:25:08.380 which is what we've done.

00:25:09.160 We haven't made a lot of noise.

00:25:10.560 I don't go seeking the media.

00:25:12.120 I often don't even bother to reply to them.

00:25:14.820 But it's interesting, Carl, that they've taken very little interest in something.

00:25:20.020 I mean, to win 10 out of 10 seats on a massive turnout with massive margins, come on.

00:25:25.780 This is why I wanted to talk to you more about it, because what were you advising the activists on the ground to do?

00:25:35.060 Were you just saying, look, just explain how you feel about things?

00:25:38.740 It's like with the branches.

00:25:40.160 So what we don't do is we're not prescriptive.

00:25:42.280 You know that.

00:25:42.900 We produce this document.

00:25:43.880 We said, here's your guide.

00:25:46.660 You know your constituency better than we do.

00:25:49.140 You know the local characters better than we do.

00:25:52.260 Please don't go off piste.

00:25:53.920 We don't want all this rubbish about it. 0.95

00:25:56.080 Be sensible. 0.88

00:25:56.880 Be sensible.

00:25:58.780 It's just common sense.

00:26:00.540 What's happened is we've been dragged far left,

00:26:03.820 and then if you've got common sense, you're accused of being far right.

00:26:07.080 I'm not far right, nor are you.

00:26:09.520 I just like common sense.

00:26:10.940 I want logic.

00:26:11.540 I want things to happen as they should. 1.00

00:26:14.240 But we've been dragged by this Fabian nonsense 1.00

00:26:16.460 and by all these sort of idiots to the left. 1.00

00:26:19.900 And then they look at you and I and they go, 1.00

00:26:21.460 oh, he's a far-right extremist.

00:26:23.220 We had a girl.

00:26:24.820 You know, a media team allowed one girl 0.99

00:26:26.660 to come and do an interview, right?

00:26:28.580 I've gone on a name now.

00:26:29.580 She was so insignificant.

00:26:30.860 But again, she couldn't resist saying

00:26:32.700 that we were sort of far-right.

00:26:34.440 We're not far-right, are we?

00:26:36.400 We're the people.

00:26:37.440 Well, I mean...

00:26:38.440 Are the people far-right?

00:26:39.700 No.

00:26:39.960 Well, the problem that we have is that maybe from their perspective,

00:26:43.100 that is far right.

00:26:44.460 When they say other people allow to do the things they want to do

00:26:48.200 and get the results they want to get,

00:26:49.960 well, maybe that is what far right is to these people.

00:26:52.580 And so the idea of bickering over labels becomes irrelevant.

00:26:55.380 It just doesn't matter what they say.

00:26:56.780 And I think your particular response to Emily Maitlis is,

00:27:00.020 I don't care.

00:27:01.260 I don't care if you think I'm far right.

00:27:01.980 We're going to produce some shirts with the store Britain,

00:27:04.300 I don't care, on the back.

00:27:05.560 Do you think people would wear those?

00:27:06.980 I would.

00:27:07.500 that's that's the three powerful words carl i don't care and that's what everybody's that's

00:27:13.520 the attitude it's the only sensible response because there's no point playing their game

00:27:18.140 and allowing them to puppeteer you and make you dance their tune no no i don't care this is what

00:27:21.740 we're doing you know and like i was saying a minute ago like the the response from people

00:27:26.300 is we thought it was too late because they feel locked out of the system they have been well

00:27:31.240 exactly and they've been defrauded of their democracy exactly and this this the the response

00:27:36.320 we're getting has been amazing we've gone from 350 branch members to well over 400 branch members

00:27:41.340 since we started leafleting and it's because we have said to people look no this is the party for

00:27:46.360 you we are not you know we are we are um we it's not too late right it is not too late uh but no

00:27:55.120 one is coming to save us we have to do this ourselves that's the message now is the time

00:27:59.560 that's the message now is the time and it's it you can as my father used to say god looks after

00:28:04.540 those who look after themselves and that has got to be our mantra and it's you can feel the sudden

00:28:10.220 response finally i've got something i can get engaged with and the the response on the ground

00:28:14.540 i mean my the the activists in swindon have just been amazing absolutely amazing like i can't

00:28:19.320 believe how frictionless this whole thing has been like i haven't had anything causing problems it's

00:28:23.780 not been about egos it's been mostly uh sort of middle-aged people sort of my sort of age who are

00:28:27.940 like no no i i have to get out and do this and for example every week we have our activists coming to

00:28:33.960 the office to pick up more leaflets which is why we've gone through so many voluntarily that's

00:28:37.880 what happens and we've got we've got plans to do uh um sort of stalls in the deprived areas of

00:28:44.580 swindon to go down there and because no one else goes down there and we're going to go down there

00:28:47.900 and we're just going to stand there and say no look you know come and talk to us we want to talk

00:28:51.320 to you about the future of your country and how actually you are a citizen you can vote you have

00:28:56.000 power here you don't need to be disenfranchised we are we have a voice if we want it carl these

00:29:02.140 people in parliament are supposed to be serving the electorate that's what they're supposed to

00:29:06.580 be doing they're not doing they're serving themselves they're serving you know big money

00:29:10.700 they're serving the system and they're serving the system the system has become a line it's not good

00:29:15.140 but i i don't know what i've had people ring me up saying i i mean these are people who've

00:29:19.520 traveled to great y'all spent a week in great y'all for their own money we didn't pay for it

00:29:22.960 they did of course and they said i had the best week of my life i was working with other people

00:29:27.580 we all had a shared objective we've even had people saying next time i go i'm going to buy

00:29:32.340 spatulas so i don't hurt my hands on the letterboxes you know so with a spatula you can you

00:29:37.000 can get you can get there suggestion from us these are spoon spoon spatula whatever it is because i

00:29:42.240 tell you what in 24 my hand was raw yeah some of those door some of those doors have got the most

00:29:47.840 horrific sort of bristles on on on the letterbox yeah so look i i i this is this is what people are

00:29:57.360 saying now i i think to travel all that way to spend that money i mean first of all they loved

00:30:02.960 great yarmouth yeah as it happened the weather was great i mean what did your team say who were

00:30:06.680 there did they enjoy it beautiful in old english seaside town i mean what weather was great goulson

00:30:11.940 beach looked great great yarmouth beach looked great you know the whole thing the seagulls were

00:30:16.800 there you have to watch them because they knit your chips oh i used to live in newky i know i

00:30:20.740 I hate seagulls.

00:30:22.180 But look, it's a great constituency.

00:30:27.040 And I went there by design.

00:30:28.940 I didn't go there.

00:30:30.000 I'd only been there once in my life when my father bought a fishing boat,

00:30:34.500 which is one of his harebrained schemes.

00:30:36.220 And we all went up to Hartlepool to come down the East Coast.

00:30:39.460 And it was so rough, we had to put into Great Yarmouth for the night.

00:30:42.540 So that was the only time I'd been to Great Yarmouth before.

00:30:45.280 But look, I love it.

00:30:46.880 I love going there.

00:30:47.860 I mean, it's a great place.

00:30:51.300 And the people are still basically the bedrock of this country.

00:30:56.100 And that's what we need.

00:30:57.800 The bedrock's still there, Carl.

00:30:59.460 I think in the countryside.

00:31:01.700 But Labour are trying to do all the things to damage the countryside.

00:31:04.860 That's why we're doing a countryside paper.

00:31:06.560 They've damaged the farmers.

00:31:08.140 They've damaged small businesses.

00:31:10.020 They're trying to stop trail hunting, for goodness sake.

00:31:12.640 They're trying to cause problems for people with shotguns.

00:31:16.440 Next, it'll be people who fish.

00:31:18.720 I mean, why can't they just leave people alone to live their lives

00:31:22.200 and pursue what they want to pursue?

00:31:24.500 But they can't because what they are is petty-minded bureaucrats

00:31:28.760 who think they can control everything. 0.55

00:31:31.740 And let me tell you, they make bad decisions every time

00:31:35.500 and then try and cover them up.

00:31:36.660 So let's just look at it.

00:31:37.500 COVID, bad decision-making, hugely bad decision-making.

00:31:41.100 Post office, hugely bad decision-making.

00:31:43.320 I mean, look, I can go on and on with the bad decision makings of the state, from thalidomide to just about everything.

00:31:50.460 And very often at the root of it is corruption.

00:31:52.800 It's money.

00:31:53.700 It's people basically being paid in government to promote things that are wrong.

00:31:58.780 I think it's more than that.

00:31:59.620 So let's cleanse Britain. 0.92

00:32:02.760 Let's get real people back into politics.

00:32:06.020 People who actually don't need the money but actually care about their communities.

00:32:12.120 That's got to be the model.

00:32:13.140 on Great Yarmouth.

00:32:14.240 I think,

00:32:15.060 that's why I think

00:32:15.600 they're going to come for me

00:32:16.440 because we've proved the model

00:32:18.040 and by God,

00:32:19.000 did we do well.

00:32:21.020 10 out of 10.

00:32:23.680 Haven't missed one yet, Carl.

00:32:25.920 I know, I know.

00:32:27.060 Very few parties

00:32:28.040 have a 100% success record.

00:32:30.620 And this,

00:32:31.220 honestly,

00:32:31.720 this is what we're finding

00:32:32.540 is there are...

00:32:34.520 And by the way,

00:32:35.040 between you and I,

00:32:35.560 we have people approaches

00:32:36.260 who want to defect already.

00:32:37.780 I don't doubt.

00:32:38.800 I don't doubt.

00:32:39.920 You want to be careful

00:32:40.640 about those defections.

00:32:41.180 We're going to be very careful.

00:32:42.020 we posted about it

00:32:43.880 yeah

00:32:44.200 because as you said

00:32:45.800 a lot of it is

00:32:46.580 people are sick

00:32:47.400 of the old guard

00:32:48.200 and you know

00:32:49.120 you don't like

00:32:49.740 I think this has been

00:32:50.660 a mistake that

00:32:51.380 Farage has actually made

00:32:52.540 is taking on a bunch

00:32:53.260 of Tories

00:32:53.640 why have you done this

00:32:54.860 all he needs is Boris

00:32:55.860 he's got the old

00:32:56.440 cabinet back

00:32:56.960 but what

00:32:58.880 we

00:33:00.180 there are lots

00:33:01.760 of

00:33:02.320 dispossessed

00:33:03.360 regular 1.00

00:33:04.040 British people

00:33:05.300 who are 1.00

00:33:06.480 just waiting

00:33:07.360 they're just waiting

00:33:08.520 to be activated

00:33:09.220 they're waiting

00:33:09.840 for something

00:33:10.780 and we're

00:33:11.880 we're finding them in swindon right now and they're coming to us and saying thank god we

00:33:16.260 thought it was over and think how despondent that is we we thought do you think those are the 41

00:33:20.860 percent who are coming back yes i come back who are excited that people haven't voted for a long

00:33:25.600 time have they yeah if ever because they look at the political system they look at the parties and

00:33:29.600 go no these are all people who are in it for themselves you see for us talking about money

00:33:33.400 all the time it's like what do i mean you make more than a million a year how can you be short

00:33:37.000 on money for a start but is that really the thing he makes loads of money he makes loads of money

00:33:41.720 He doesn't disclose it all, but he makes lots of it.

00:33:43.560 Yeah, but he's the highest-earning parliamentarian,

00:33:45.600 and he's obsessed with money.

00:33:46.660 It's like, okay, how is this the case?

00:33:48.840 He doesn't give his salary to charities, is he?

00:33:50.540 Well, no, I don't think he does.

00:33:52.240 But the point being is that you've got almost half the electorate

00:33:55.640 who are just checked out and who just do not think

00:33:58.740 that there's a future, and they think the country's over already.

00:34:01.740 And when we're going to them, we're getting the same thing

00:34:04.120 over and over.

00:34:04.680 Oh, it's not too late.

00:34:06.660 We can do this.

00:34:07.680 And the response has been magnificent.

00:34:08.420 But it won't be easy.

00:34:09.680 No, it's going to be very hard.

00:34:09.980 So let's not fool people.

00:34:12.060 It's not going to be easy with being, you know, 0.92

00:34:14.680 withdrawing this ridiculous welfare

00:34:16.600 and making people actually participate and work.

00:34:19.640 It's not going to be easy.

00:34:21.120 It's like, you know, it's going to be tough.

00:34:23.220 Yeah.

00:34:23.520 But I think, and it's a bit like Brexit.

00:34:26.220 And again, you watch Starmer trying to take us back into Europe.

00:34:28.920 That's not what the British people voted for in 2016.

00:34:33.620 And when he says Brexit hasn't worked,

00:34:35.240 it only hasn't worked because they haven't delivered Brexit. 0.97

00:34:37.780 So we know that this is all palpable rubbish.

00:34:39.980 But the point is, I think there is a glimmer of hope now, but it's not going to be easy.

00:34:46.940 And I don't want people to think that it's going to be one big party.

00:34:50.220 What I am saying to people, you're not racist.

00:34:53.780 Britain's the least racist country in the world.

00:34:56.220 We've got the most decent people.

00:34:57.940 We've got the best people.

00:34:59.740 You know, I was looking at Faraday the other day.

00:35:01.880 You know, Faraday, unbelievable man.

00:35:04.360 Newton, unbelievable man.

00:35:06.020 You know, most of the greatest people have come from this country.

00:35:10.660 And they're still coming from this country.

00:35:12.820 You know, look at Arm and look at all the other companies.

00:35:16.020 Our companies all get bought by other people throughout the world.

00:35:20.200 So what we've got to do is believe in ourselves.

00:35:24.880 We've got to roll back the state.

00:35:27.740 And our economic paper is going to show how we can roll back the state

00:35:31.740 and at the same time cut taxes.

00:35:34.220 Not the Liz trust, let's just, because she had the right idea,

00:35:37.420 but she couldn't justify it, and therefore they hunted her down unfairly.

00:35:41.260 It wasn't her fault that guilt yields were going up.

00:35:43.580 They've gone up again today, probably because of the public sector borrowing requirement.

00:35:48.500 But the point is, we can do it if we just restore common sense.

00:35:55.560 And we remove the state from the entire equation,

00:35:59.000 and we stop other people spending other people's money.

00:36:02.760 so the the question i think a lot of people especially uh young people on the left who are

00:36:08.700 on the left primarily for economic reasons i think one one question they'll put to you is say okay

00:36:13.360 well i i am okay with the idea of um less state spending but i'm worried about what i suppose

00:36:21.020 they could call international predatory capital uh as you said they buy foreign companies and

00:36:27.540 governments are buying up our infrastructure but this is why it's so important to restore

00:36:31.480 our financial markets, because before Blair, our financial markets were incredibly powerful.

00:36:36.540 So you had people coming to London to raise money. But what happens when you undermine

00:36:42.020 risk-taking, which is what's happened? So this is what the regulators have done.

00:36:46.840 I mean, financial markets, Carl, are built on risk-taking. That is how you get rich.

00:36:52.880 You don't get rich by... It's all in the Bible. It's all in the Bible. By burying your coin and

00:36:59.380 digging it up you don't get rich what you've got to do is you've got to be prepared to invest it

00:37:04.300 and take risk and that's and what you have to then therefore do is empower people yeah and reward

00:37:09.040 them and as lincoln said this is a this is abraham lincoln you don't make the poor richer by making

00:37:16.700 the rich poorer and this is the the sort of malign logic that labor employs to try and say oh he's

00:37:24.660 got money or he's got money or she's got money or that's not fair well it is fair it is fair if

00:37:30.900 people have taken risk and they've employed a lot of people and they they deserve the reward and

00:37:37.400 they deserve to be able to if they want to give it to charity which is what used to happen a lot

00:37:41.360 with the friendly societies they should be allowed to do that if they want to leave it to their

00:37:45.280 children they should be allowed to do that of course but if they want to endow an oxford college 1.00

00:37:49.280 they should be allowed to do that the last thing we want is some committee of half-witted idiots 0.99

00:37:55.900 taking the money off the british people and then deciding where it should be spent but the i think 0.99

00:38:02.220 people will say well what about um things like black rocks and the last interview we did you

00:38:06.020 said you didn't want black rock only half the country i think i think black rock is probably

00:38:10.240 again i i i it's a huge huge enterprise now but how again again what's happened i think

00:38:17.600 And I've covered this to some extent, in part with quantitative easing.

00:38:22.220 You see, I think what happens is if you become dishonest with your money,

00:38:25.820 people then become dishonest.

00:38:27.360 And what happens is the biggest, people who are most dishonest thrive.

00:38:31.640 So if you have a society that's based on proper economics,

00:38:36.380 proper Austrian school economics,

00:38:38.500 what happens is those people who are enterprising get rewarded,

00:38:42.000 not those people who feed off the back of printed money and dishonesty.

00:38:47.340 And I agree.

00:38:48.060 That's why I'm implacably opposed to bailouts.

00:38:50.820 Yes.

00:38:51.620 Since I've been in the city, I've seen bailout after bailout after bailout.

00:38:55.440 And all you do is protect failure.

00:38:58.640 Yes.

00:38:59.100 And you propagate failure.

00:39:00.820 And I agree with Hayek's creative decision.

00:39:02.400 And true capitalism, as you know, however big it is, let it fail.

00:39:07.020 Because there'll always be people who are more able who will pick up the pieces and then make it work.

00:39:11.340 If you prop it up by mutualizing the loss across the entire electorate,

00:39:15.960 yes all you do is make the bigger failure the bigger crooks bigger and bigger and i and i

00:39:22.060 completely agree with you that's your answer i mean that's that's but well the thing is though

00:39:26.100 i'm not sure that'll be satisfying to these young people who see the system as because what what

00:39:31.020 you're what you're saying which i completely agree with is something that needs to come into existence

00:39:35.440 and doesn't currently exist but what they're looking at is what does currently exist and

00:39:39.520 saying well blackrock is for example working hand in glove with keir starmer to ruin our farmers so

00:39:44.800 they can purchase up our farms probably i don't you can't i can't prove it but probably well i i

00:39:49.620 exactly businesses as well absolutely and we don't want our businesses sold well exactly backbone of

00:39:55.140 britain was our farms and our businesses so what families communities and actually it all makes

00:40:01.620 sense so if you if you ask most people who work for family business yeah would you rather work

00:40:07.020 for something you know of course do you want to work for a faceless corporation where you get an

00:40:12.140 answer from hr that computer says no i mean if you know the guy who owns it you can go and say

00:40:18.340 look now listen cock you know you've got this wrong yeah yeah most of the time he'll listen 0.53

00:40:21.740 to you of course because if he doesn't listen to you it costs him money yeah i mean trust me i know 0.77

00:40:25.620 um but you've got a committee of people who don't own their company who are pork barreling a living

00:40:30.940 on the back of shareholders and a lot of this is faceless capital now so yes a lot of the problems

00:40:36.820 come from the fact that our pension funds have got bigger and bigger and bigger yeah and our

00:40:41.660 Pension funds control these pools of capital, which, in my view, are often dishonest in that they then mop up a lot of private businesses that think long-term and deliver long-term.

00:40:52.700 But what I'm saying is a lot of people will want to hear what is the Restore Britain policy to prevent BlackRock from buying up our farms.

00:41:00.100 Well, you're going to have to – well, first of all, you scrap IHT, which means that our farms don't have to be sold.

00:41:05.720 Well, yeah, obviously.

00:41:07.120 Well, obviously.

00:41:08.180 If you force people, it's like small businesses.

00:41:11.300 I've got small businesses.

00:41:12.780 Am I going to invest lots of money long-term in those businesses,

00:41:16.740 knowing that every penny I invest, if I die, and I'm 68 now, who knows?

00:41:22.160 I mean, the Bible said you had three score years and 10.

00:41:25.360 But hopefully I'm going to have a bit more than that.

00:41:28.120 But at the end of the day, if somebody dies now and has to pay 20% IHT

00:41:34.240 on a business they've built up, which employs lots of people,

00:41:37.440 or a farm that they've been in their family for years.

00:41:40.340 And by the way, farming is not a sort of nirvana of riches.

00:41:44.120 I mean, people are leaving farming every day, Carl,

00:41:46.360 and that's really serious because you can't make money as a contractor.

00:41:50.840 You can't make money as a landowner.

00:41:52.520 But listen, this is so important.

00:41:55.480 So for young people, what we have to do is create an environment

00:41:58.860 where they have an opportunity.

00:42:01.780 And actually, they have almost more opportunity if they're given a chance, because they're

00:42:07.040 very bright, a lot of them.

00:42:08.820 And with the digital revolution, there's never been an opportunity to make more money more

00:42:12.660 quickly than now.

00:42:13.900 And you're going to see it with AI.

00:42:17.460 You're going to see it in the law, because lawyers are going to get wiped out, because

00:42:21.220 you can AI everything in law.

00:42:23.020 You're going to see it in accountancy, because you can AI everything in accountancy.

00:42:26.820 And do you know what?

00:42:27.460 I'm with the blue-collar workers.

00:42:29.260 I'm with the people who actually do things.

00:42:31.080 And I read a plumber saying the other day, I'm thinking of leaving the country.

00:42:34.180 If we all leave the country, all those other people won't get anything done because they don't know how to do it.

00:42:38.660 We know how to do it.

00:42:39.340 Well, I'm with him.

00:42:40.000 He's right.

00:42:40.780 Yeah, he's absolutely right.

00:42:41.640 So what we've got to do is release those people and encourage people to actually get involved in the economy.

00:42:48.140 Because I'll tell you, the way you make money is if you're involved in the economy, opportunity comes over you.

00:42:55.340 I completely agree.

00:42:56.320 Opportunity never comes if you sit with a clean sheet of paper and say, I'm going to make money.

00:42:59.740 How am I going to do it?

00:43:00.480 right? Here's a clean sheet of paper. No. What happens is Carl or Rupert are busy doing their

00:43:06.320 business and suddenly an opportunity, you see an opportunity, there's an opportunity there, bang.

00:43:10.760 And that's entrepreneurialism. But that is individuals. That's not the state. For Christ's

00:43:16.960 sake, how many times do we have to look at the USSR as a model of complete central planning failure?

00:43:22.680 How many times do we have to watch Mao as a centre of complete human failure?

00:43:30.120 The EU is the same, Carl.

00:43:32.380 And why Starmer wants to go back to the EU, mate, is quite simply,

00:43:36.940 the EU was based on a monopoly.

00:43:39.280 It was founded on post-war socialist philosophy.

00:43:42.420 It's a socialist construct.

00:43:43.980 But in order to pursue its evil aims, it had to destroy proud nation states like Britain,

00:43:49.100 which is done by creating five regions, different regional parliaments, re-enacting,

00:43:56.840 re-stirring up all the old hatreds which we put behind us with the Act of Union in 1707.

00:44:03.020 So their agenda was malign, and they couldn't do it politically.

00:44:08.780 So they tried in 97 to do it by ramming us all together financially,

00:44:13.100 which is why I stood for the referendum party.

00:44:15.240 Now, we defeated that.

00:44:17.160 And then in 2016, the British people said, no, we don't want to be part of that.

00:44:20.540 We're happy to be part of a cooperating nation states with Europe,

00:44:23.460 but we don't want that.

00:44:24.500 And that's going to fail, by the way, because that is the equivalent of the USSR. 0.73

00:44:28.900 Their economies are failing. 0.97

00:44:30.520 They are basically a malign influence.

00:44:33.940 And look at the way they're destroying themselves with their open borders

00:44:37.540 and their DEI and their malign philosophies, which are all emanating from,

00:44:41.940 you know, as I say, people who are abusing the system,

00:44:45.820 pork-bounding living, and robbing the 500 million-plus citizens

00:44:51.140 they're supposed to be serving in Europe.

00:44:52.940 Oh, yeah.

00:44:53.800 So before we end quickly then, what's next for Restore Britain?

00:44:58.060 Right, well, Restore Britain now policy.

00:45:00.380 So I want to produce policy documents that people can read

00:45:03.820 so they can see how we think Britain needs to be restored,

00:45:08.600 and they can look at them like they can,

00:45:10.100 and they can try and understand, they can critique them.

00:45:13.600 I don't mind if they make criticisms of them.

00:45:16.360 But we have to start somewhere and we have to put in philosophy.

00:45:19.180 Now, I think from my time in business, my time in the city,

00:45:22.460 my time generally doing lots of different things,

00:45:24.820 I think we've got the constituent parts of how we put it together.

00:45:28.060 So as I say, oil and energy and net zero are incredibly important.

00:45:34.560 Getting the economy right is incredibly important.

00:45:36.700 There are several building blocks.

00:45:38.400 Borders and defence is incredibly important.

00:45:40.560 So we're going to put these bedrock papers together.

00:45:44.020 At the same time, Carl, you've got a huge role to play.

00:45:47.280 You've got to build up, restore Swindon branch.

00:45:50.560 Doing my best.

00:45:51.100 And we've got to have other people coming forward, hopefully, now.

00:45:55.940 I mean, it's a huge job for us.

00:45:57.580 So I want people to take responsibility for their own branches.

00:46:01.360 I want them to make decisions.

00:46:03.060 That's how you run businesses. 0.96

00:46:04.100 You don't run businesses with some little Napoleon the pig 0.88

00:46:07.120 sitting at the top of the pile. 0.81

00:46:08.400 saying, you know, do as I say, not as I do. Because most of the time, people who tell you

00:46:12.500 what to do, don't do what they tell you to do. They do exactly the opposite and indulge themselves.

00:46:17.420 So I want devolved power. I want people taking control of their branches. From there,

00:46:23.020 we can win local elections. And then I think, and I'm hopeful that we won't have a general

00:46:28.740 election yet. I saw somebody saying that Starmer might hold the card of an early election over the

00:46:34.820 Labour Party. And as you know, there's a lot of people in the Labour Party who earn close to

00:46:38.900 £100,000 for being an MP. At the moment, they've got three years left. If Keir Starmer calls an

00:46:44.180 election, how many of them are going to be re-elected? It'll be in the dozens.

00:46:49.560 So do they want an early election? No. So as I always say, watch what the hands are doing,

00:46:55.480 not what the mouth is saying. And I suspect the five golden rules of business, which is what's

00:46:59.560 in it for me, says they won't want an early election because they're going to lose it.

00:47:02.760 They're going to get decimated.

00:47:05.000 There's nobody to take over from Starmer.

00:47:07.120 I mean, Rainer, you can't have Rainer.

00:47:09.120 She's lied about her principal dwelling residence.

00:47:11.200 She's lied about her tax. 0.96

00:47:12.680 She's arguably overvalued her house and put it into her son's trust, 0.92

00:47:16.080 which I think is personally criminal.

00:47:17.820 Also, I just don't think she's very competent.

00:47:19.820 No, no. 0.98

00:47:20.940 She's just a sort of loudmouth, you know, very dishonest person. 0.94

00:47:27.800 It's worth streeting then, surely. 0.52

00:47:29.220 But again, you know, look at Mandelson.

00:47:31.080 Why isn't Mandelson in prison?

00:47:32.760 You know, you've got Lucy Conley goes to prison for a social media tweet.

00:47:36.840 Peter Mandelson leaves a cabinet meeting, we now know,

00:47:39.680 and he leaks crucial information to Jeffrey Epstein.

00:47:43.960 It's all there.

00:47:45.540 It took a public outcry before he was even arrested,

00:47:48.640 but now he's back at home.

00:47:50.240 Yeah, he lives in Wiltshire.

00:47:51.620 Drinking Lafitte and eating, you know,

00:47:54.980 in whatever restaurant he feels like eating in.

00:47:57.080 So we have got two-tier.

00:47:59.540 And these people, the reason he was picked, Carl,

00:48:02.760 it's quite simple it was an appalling selection and i talked about it in parliament at the time

00:48:07.460 it was completely illogical you know the guy's got a trail of financial sort of misfeasance i mean 0.96

00:48:14.060 his it's peter mandelson trump had called him and called him a moron he'd been rude about trump 0.95

00:48:18.940 tell me why he is the guardian or appointed to be the guardian of our most important relationship 0.67

00:48:23.560 and by the way i'd love to know what happened to morgan mcsweeney's phone

00:48:26.960 because i suspect it's nestling at the bottom of the thames probably just happened to go missing

00:48:32.260 But look, so I think it's really exciting.

00:48:37.300 And what we've got to do now is stay calm.

00:48:40.780 Just keep doing what we're doing because it's working.

00:48:43.820 And I think people should look at the model in Great Yarmouth.

00:48:47.100 Talk to my team.

00:48:48.600 We know what you need to do.

00:48:50.040 We are supporting you as much as we can.

00:48:51.880 We're not hugely rich.

00:48:53.100 We haven't had a £5 million donation or anything like that.

00:48:57.280 But we've got members.

00:48:59.080 and by the way people who support what we're doing do need to sign up 20 quid don't tell me

00:49:05.340 everybody can't afford 20 quid yeah but that's not the point the point is we do need money to

00:49:10.880 get the branches going but we need to show the political establishment that people believe in

00:49:16.780 what we're doing so that's why the membership numbers count so much in in i understand there

00:49:22.440 are more local elections in 2027 are you going to be standing on them i think if we're ready we will

00:49:28.440 Yeah. I mean, I think the model is we've proved the model. And if people can get their branches up and running and get their tentacles across the local community, the local part comes first. And then, I mean, I think the election on balance of probability will be in 28 or 29. I don't know who's going to stand against Starmer. Somebody will emerge.

00:49:50.940 As you know, they're all sort of weasels and cowards 0.97

00:49:54.140 and nobody breaks cover. 0.96

00:49:55.900 And as they say, he who wields the dagger

00:49:57.720 is seldom the one who's appointed.

00:49:59.060 So they're all hanging back, but there's a sort of very febrile...

00:50:04.860 Oh, I mean local elections.

00:50:06.520 Next year, there are local elections.

00:50:07.820 So we've got to start winning local elections as they come.

00:50:12.120 Restore, bestanding candidates in local elections.

00:50:14.080 I'm not saying we will.

00:50:15.460 Where we're ready, we will stand.

00:50:17.040 But hopefully people will get themselves ready now.

00:50:19.180 They've seen what we've done.

00:50:20.380 Well, we didn't have long to prepare for it, but we did.

00:50:24.840 And, you know, the reason we used Great Yarmouth First is quite straightforward.

00:50:28.140 In the end, I think it was a great name.

00:50:29.820 Yeah, it was good.

00:50:30.480 But it's part of Restore Britain, and, you know, we did it

00:50:34.180 because we weren't sure we'd get Electrical Commission approval

00:50:36.340 for Restore Britain in time, but we knew we'd get it for Great Yarmouth First.

00:50:40.720 And then when we got it for Great Yarmouth First,

00:50:42.340 we then subsequently got it for Restore Britain,

00:50:44.480 but in fact not in time to stand as Restore Britain.

00:50:46.840 but in the event I think we we did well standing as great young at first and I'm incredibly proud

00:50:52.660 of my constituency I I what a bedrock to build this on thanks so much couldn't be a better

00:50:58.540 foundation could it no thank you so much for joining it's been great

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - May 12, 2026

How We Won Great Yarmouth ｜ Interview with Rupert Lowe MP

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