Interview With Raw Egg Nationalist
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Summary
Charlie Cornish-Dale talks about being doxxed by the far-right group, Hope Not Hate, and how he dealt with the aftermath of the doxxing. He also talks about his own experience of being targeted by the group.
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Hi folks. I'm joined for a special conversation with a chap called Charlie Cornish Dale. Now
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you probably aren't very familiar with that name if you don't read every Hope Not Hate
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report on the state of hate in the United Kingdom, but you may be familiar with his Twitter
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handle which is RawEggNationalist, or you may have read Man's World every now and again,
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which of course he publishes. Charlie, or I'm used to saying Wren, nice to have you
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here, and I thought we'd just find out what happened with Hope Not Hate.
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Yeah, well it's a pleasure. We've just recorded a show and we touched on the docks a little
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bit and it would be my honour to tell you more.
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Thanks so much. So what happened exactly? I mean was it just one day you woke up and Hope
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Not Hate have published their egg-sposé on you and I assume your phone was probably blowing
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up from people saying, oh by the way mate you've been doxxed.
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It was sort of like that. So on the show moments ago, or an hour and a half ago, I spoke about
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the scare that I had a couple of weeks before the docks. So I went to one of my local farm
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shops that I like to go to and I went to buy some milk and some eggs of course and the owner
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of the farm shop ran over to me and shepherded me over to the desk and said look at this.
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It puts a piece of paper in my hand. What is it? It's an email from an American journalist,
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a business insider, a woman called Catherine Long and it basically said I have reason to
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believe that this social media influencer, influential blogger actually I think is what
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she called me, which was a slight I think against me. But anyway, she said yeah I have reason to
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believe this influential blogger is shopping at your farm shop and could you tell me his name?
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And I'll make sure that nobody ever knows, you know, that's how I got it.
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And so that was about two weeks before I was actually doxxed and I considered that a lucky escape.
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I thought well okay I've, you know, I've come very close to being doxxed. I've obviously,
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my OPSEC isn't good enough but thankfully, thankfully they've not found out. But anyway,
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two weeks later on a Friday morning I'm on Twitter in the group chats and somebody says
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sorry mate about the doxx. And that was the first I knew. So they obviously didn't reach
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out to me for comment, they just dropped it. And I was, and I just had to roll with the punches from
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there. So it was, I mean I knew it was coming. Of course it was going to come. I mean Hope Not Hate
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had included me in their 2023 state of hate report in the fascist Nazi category for my advocacy of
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raw egg consumption and bodybuilding which are well known. Possibly combined with patriotism as well.
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So well lots of questions flow from that. So what was the first and most immediate consequence of the
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dark scene? I actually felt relief. I did actually feel relief. It was, it was like a great psychic
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burden had been lifted. One that I actually didn't know I was carrying. That's the strange thing. So
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it seemed to me, I suddenly realised actually you know what, being anonymous has actually taken a
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toll on me that I didn't, that I didn't fully understand, that I wasn't fully aware of. So I felt
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relief. I didn't feel, I didn't feel scared at all. I didn't rush to my phone to send messages to
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people. I didn't rush to send messages to ex-girlfriends even though I suspected of. It's,
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it's a disgruntled ex-girlfriend perhaps. I mean there were fires to put out certainly because I
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mean the Hope Not Hate docs was specifically calculated obviously to make me look as bad as
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possible. And I mean they used a very old photograph of me, you know, 15 year old photograph of me at
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my most, at my most scholarly. When I was about 21 when I won a national, national award for my
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undergraduate dissertation. There's a sort of grainy, you know, 300 by 240 picture of me
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taken on an eye potato. So they used that and that obviously didn't quite fit with the image of
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uh, of the raw egg nationalist, of the, you know, uh, raw egg slonking bodybuilder. But, um, apart from
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that, uh, I was just, it was a normal day on Twitter for the most part. Uh, I didn't respond to any negative
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comments. I didn't, I didn't confirm the docs. I thought, look, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'll respond to it in my own time.
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And so I took some time. I took a day or two and then I posted a better picture of myself, which generated
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a lot of, um, a lot of discussion, which was funny. Uh, and then I posted a picture of myself in my
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underpants as, as one, uh, as one does just to, um, just to confirm that I do in fact lift and that I'm
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not, uh, I'm not a skinny nerd. Um, so it was, yeah, I mean, it was, it was kind of business as normal
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really. It hasn't, and certainly in the longer term now, you know, it's been a month, I haven't actually,
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I haven't really experienced any, any negative repercussions that I can, that I can see or that
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I know of. Um, I mean, I think I was right, obviously, to maintain anonymity, to, to maintain my
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OPSEC as much as possible, uh, because clearly there are people hunting people like me, powerful
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people. And, uh, not everybody in my position or not every anonymous poster on Twitter or social
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media has the ability, I think, to absorb a doxing in the way that I have because I work for InfoWars.
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I mean, my, I don't have a normal job. I don't have a normal life. It doesn't, I'm not going to get
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fired. Um, and that is still obviously a clear and present danger for. And that, that's what the
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purpose of these doxings is for, isn't it? Yeah. So the, I mean, the purpose,
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I think there are different varieties of dox. So you have these sort of common garden doxings that
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aim to get people to lose their jobs, that aim at reputational damage and get people, um,
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um, uh, isolated from their friends and families and, and affect their livelihoods. But then you have
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these doxes like, like my doxing and also the dox of Jonathan Keeperman, AKA Lómez, uh, the man behind
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Passage Press. I think those kind of doxings are quite different because what they're trying to do
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is they're not trying to make the person who's being doxed look bad per se so much as actually
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their threats, basically their threats. And it wasn't a coincidence that the Lómez dox was written by
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this Antifa guy, really nasty guy, mutant, horrible, horrible looking fellow, nasty fellow called Jason
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Wilson, who is hand in glove with Portland, Oregon Antifa, works for Bellingcat as well, which is a
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citizen intelligence, uh, organization that has very close ties to Western governments and does-
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Specifically intelligence agencies. Yes. So I mean, what, what Bellingcat does is they do a lot of the
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dirty work for intelligence agencies. So, you know, you want, uh, to get some information out there
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about Russia. You want to identify some, you know, I mean, they, they even, I think they had, um,
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they had Bellingcat, um, reveal that it was Russians who shot down MH370 over Ukraine.
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Really? Yeah. I think, I think they actually got, um, they got Bellingcat to do that. They also got
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Bellingcat to reveal the Russian source or the Ukrainian source for the steel dossier.
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I was going to say, I was, I'm sure they were involved with that somehow.
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They were. Yeah. So what they do, so what they do is they get a tip off from the intelligence
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agencies or they get given a packet of data. Yeah. So it's like, oh, here's some phone records.
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You might want to look in these phone records. You might want to look at this, this flight manifest,
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you know, and that's Bellingcat started out as a citizen, like I say, a sort of citizen journalist,
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citizen intelligence, intelligence, white hat operation. Uh, and they were using open source data
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and they were very proud of the fact that they were using open source data. So they would say, you know,
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like this is all publicly available data that we've used to identify these awful far right people in
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Poland. Yeah. They don't do that. Well, they do some of that, but now they say, actually, you know,
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we use gray data. We use black data. You can't see that data, but we can tell you what's in it
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and we can identify the individuals involved. And so, I mean, I think with the Jonathan Keeperman docs,
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and I think there's definitely a possibility Bellingcat was involved in that. And with my docs,
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and there's via hope, not hate, then there's definitely a suggestion of intelligence involvement.
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And I think there's a, I mean, there's a broader suggestion of intelligence involvement because of
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this letter that was sent to, this letter that was sent to the, or email that was sent to this farm
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shop. You know, it was sent by a woman called Catherine Long, who works for Business Insider.
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I may even post the actual, the actual email on, I've transcribed it and it was in my latest American
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Mind essay, but I may actually post an image of it. So people really do know that it's real,
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but I've looked on her LinkedIn. I mean, she worked for the US state department,
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for USAID in somewhere like Uzbekistan or Tajikistan. She's fluent in Farsi and Tajik.
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She went to Yale or an Ivy league school. I mean, she, she glows. She absolutely glows. If,
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if she isn't an intelligence contact in the world of journalism, I don't know who is.
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And even if she's not, she's obviously of the stripe of person who cooperate with them
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Yeah, of course. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is the thing. I mean, it's
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one of the things that I say in the American Mind article is that it's not far-fetched to imagine
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that actually the interests of radical leftist groups like Hope Not Hate could align with the
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interests of the government and the security services, because they do. Hope Not Hate wants to
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bash the fash. They want to, to make fascists feel uncomfortable and out them, etc. And the
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government wants to keep a lid on right-wing populism and, and disrupt right-wing networks.
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So what do you do? Well, you phone up Hope Not Hate and you say,
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Roig Nationalist is actually Charlie Cornish Dale.
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Well, there's a reason that the government has been funding Hope Not Hate.
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They absolutely have. The Conservative government.
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There's a reason all of this is funded and networked together.
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the same slate of people who are essentially lit up by Hope Not Hate.
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Because I do think you're right. I think there is an underlying threat of violence
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in the work that they do. They are hoping that someone will try and Bolsonaro you.
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Remember he got stabbed on the campaign trail by some random leftist who just happened to be
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mentally unsound. Lucky for him. So he avoided jail. They're hoping that something like that will
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happen just to take out inconvenient right-wingers, I think.
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Yeah, yeah. I absolutely wouldn't doubt that. And to go back to the Lomas docs,
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and Jason Wilson, he is an apologist for Antifa violence. He is an apologist for doxings,
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he's an apologist for beatings, and for murder, ultimately. And yes, I do think
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they weren't going to make me look bad, really. Not in any real sense. Oh, he went to Oxford in
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Cambridge. He's got a PhD in medieval history. Gosh, I hang my head in shame. I'm successful.
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I've got an independent income. So they're not going to make my life economically difficult.
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But what they can do is they can make me think, should I leave the front door on the latch?
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Should I purchase some sort of implement that might double as a weapon to keep next to my computer?
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Should I... all that kind of stuff. What happens when I'm out in the garden?
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But they also want to make your life socially difficult.
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So my, I mean, my, yeah, I mean, socially, I would say my life is difficult anyway. I mean,
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dating is very difficult. And one of the funniest things about dating in the present age is that,
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I mean, women really can pick up on vibes. Women really do pick up on vibes. And they know you're
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you're not a leftist. And some of them, they don't care. But a lot of them, particularly middle class
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girls, they push and push and push. And, you know, they, they kind of, they get you to a point
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where you either basically have to stop seeing them or you have to tell them. In at least one
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instance, I was actually found out by an ex-girlfriend. And, you know, it was, it was difficult.
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It is difficult being of the right, of the genuine right. And, you know, you find that a lot of men
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do cuck on the basis of their, of their, of their girlfriend or, or wife's political beliefs, because
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it's just easier to do that. And most men, you know, would rather, would rather have a girlfriend
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or a wife than, than, than not and be right wing. So, I mean, I've, I've had to deal with difficulties
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in my personal life anyway, uh, over the last four years, as I've, um, put on the cloak of, of the,
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and the suit of the, and the mask of, uh, of the raw egg nationalist. But, um, so far, no,
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I've not had any social difficulties. Nobody I know. I mean, one person I was at Oxford with, um,
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sent me a gif of a man sniffing an egg. And I, I just knew I was like, yeah, you, okay,
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you found out of course. And he was like, yes, I follow, I follow all sorts of, uh, handsome
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bodybuilders for the first traps. And I discovered that, you know, you're one of them. Um, uh,
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but other than that, no, I, nobody from my, nobody from my personal life has, has been in touch about
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it, which is it, which is interesting. And I do wonder whether that, whether people know,
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and they're just keeping quiet or whether there is going to be some kind of deluge at some point of
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people sort of saying, oh yeah, I was at, you know, I was at Oxford with him, I was at, I was at Cambridge with him,
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and you know, I know, you know, something about him. I don't know what that would be, but, you know.
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So, what, um, source of thing you're expecting to come of this in the future?
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I don't know. I really don't know what to expect. I mean, I, it was interesting, you know,
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for the last four years I've tried to avoid being doxxed and I've told other people to avoid being
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doxxed and, uh, I'm, I'm pretty, I mean, I'm pretty sanguine about it, but it's a dangerous time.
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And if you look at somebody like, uh, Ricky Vaughan, what's happening to Ricky Vaughan? You know,
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I mean, Ricky Vaughan was an anonymous poster. He posted some funny memes he didn't even make
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on Twitter and he's been arrested and convicted under a reconstruction era
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voter suppression statute with election interference and he could go to prison for,
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you know, I think seven or ten months. Just to, I thought it was years.
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Initially it was suggested, I think, that it was going to be something like ten years,
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but they got it, they got it down to it's about a year, but even so it's not going to be nice.
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What he had done is posted a meme, uh, advertising, I think it was black women should vote on the
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wrong day or via text message. This is not true information, obviously, but, uh, Ricky Vaughan
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was an anonymous poster on Twitter and not some sort of, uh, official involved in the electoral process.
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So it seems deeply inappropriate to apply that kind of legislation against him.
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And they showed as well, uh, during the trial that, or they couldn't show rather during the trial,
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whether anybody had, uh, not been able to vote in the correct manner because they'd seen the meme.
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So they couldn't even show that any votes had been suppressed.
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Nevertheless, it was a, it was a partisan prosecution in New York of all places with a,
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with a, you know, political appointee judge. And so he was convicted.
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He's appealing it at the moment, but, um, you know, that is a, that's an example to warn other people,
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It's a clear example to me of lawfare against private citizens in the state, uh, for partisan
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ends. And so it's, we, this, this is why a lot of people ask me, well, are you worried about a
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Labour government? And I have to say, well, yes, obviously I'm worried about a Labour government.
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And this is why I do my best to keep my, uh, my nose relatively clean of drama and incidents.
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Which, which is possible by the way, if you are a right winger online, you're, you're an intellectual,
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and you want to speak about particular topics, you just have to speak in a way that doesn't
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trigger certain tripwires. That's all you have to do.
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Yeah. Well, it was, it was interesting, you know, when I went on Tucker Carlson,
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uh, so I was in the end of men, the Tucker Carlson documentary. And then I actually went
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on a show to talk about it for five minutes, which was surreal. Um, I suddenly had people turning.
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So I had a telegram group chat, which actually ended up closing down. I suddenly had an influx of
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people coming in saying, you need to talk about this particular topic now. It's a shame you didn't
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use your platform on Tucker Carlson to talk about this particular topic, this particular group of
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people. Uh, and I was just like, I mean, what are you, do you think I'm that stupid for a start?
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Even if I wanted to talk about it, do you think I'd be that stupid to do it in that manner? Um,
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yes, it is totally, it's totally possible for you to keep your nose clean. And I haven't,
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I haven't done anything illegal. I haven't, I haven't encouraged people to, to do anything
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outside the, the boundaries of the law. I, I simply hold opinions that are not progressive,
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not progressive and, and unfashionable, although they're becoming less unfashionable.
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Yeah. I don't even agree that they're unfashionable actually. I think they might be forbidden.
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So just a quick thing. I want to go back to anonymity, um, because I find this really interesting
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because I was anonymous, uh, for a, probably about a year or two at the beginning of my career.
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Um, but I let go of it very quickly because I wasn't, at the time I was a liberal. So I wasn't
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worried about falling outside of the sort of acceptable paradigm thought. I've obviously
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developed my political ideas quite significantly from that position. Um, and so I've had to do them
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with my face and name attached to them, uh, which hasn't always been the easiest thing to go through.
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Um, but tell me more about the sort of fear, um, and the reason that you were anonymous to start with.
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Hmm. I mean, I just, I started posting. It was total, it was happenstance really. I mean,
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so the funny thing is actually, so my, my handle, baby gravy nine came from being asked to do some
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Twitter research on an anthropologist called David Graeber. So I was asked to do, uh, for Quillette
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of all publications, actually for Claire Lehman. And, um, for a piece that she was writing about
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this chap, David Graeber, who was trying to get one of his colleagues, me too, uh, to wrest control
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of an academic journal from him anyway. So, uh, baby gravy came from David Graeber's name because I knew
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an Australian woman who said David Graeber's name as baby gravy. Right. So that's where it came from.
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Um, so I was just on Twitter following Bronze Age Pervert and other funny accounts and retweeting
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stuff. I didn't think very much of it. I mean, my, my first account or first iteration of the
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account was called Turning Point Chateau Hoyuk. Yeah. About the agricultural revolution and its
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consequences being a disaster for the human race. Um, and so I only really started posting as the
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Raw Egg Nationalist. I didn't think I would do anything. I didn't think it would go anywhere.
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And I'm still kind of surprised that it did. There's a reason that my, my Twitter handle is
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Sargonabacad. Yeah. I didn't think it was going anywhere. Yeah. So, so I'm, I'm, I'm lumped with this
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strange handle, which has kind of become, you know, famous in its own rights. I'm not going to do
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anything with it, but yeah, I didn't, I didn't have a plan when I started out, um, anonymously. It just
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started to, it really started to gain momentum after I wrote my cookbook, the Raw Egg cookbook
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in August of 2020. And then by the time the Tucker Carlson documentary rolled around in 2022,
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that's when things really started to go crazy. Um, so, I mean, I just assumed that look, I was going
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to have to remain anonymous because I would suffer terrible consequences in my personal life.
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Uh, I mean, I did have a normie job at one point, you know, in the pandemic through the beginning of
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the pandemic, but I've moved away from that now. So I thought, I thought it would be devastating.
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I thought it would be devastating to lose. And I thought that the police would knock on my door,
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potentially. Uh, not that I've done anything wrong, but you just, that's, you are encouraged to,
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you're encouraged to feel that way, I think, because it does happen.
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Yeah. Yeah. Even, even a conservative government, you know, I mean, the conservatives really,
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you know, were, it was very interesting, for example, you know, with the George Galloway stuff,
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that they, with the challenge from George Galloway, that they used the rising Islamic vote,
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the power of the rising sort of Islamic demographic. Rishi Sunat holds a press conference and all he talks
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Yeah, it's mad. But that is, that is, you know, the conservatives actually, in many respects,
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I think, were even more fearful of the real right than the left, because, um,
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They are, exactly. And I mean, look what happened in the, in the election. I mean, reform,
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whatever happens with reform, people were voting for reform, not just as a protest vote, but also
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because reform represented a, a genuine alternative that might do something about immigration.
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Hasn't panned out brilliantly. Well, quite. But, but, but, you know, so, so the real right
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was a genuine threat to the conservative party. So they were right to identify, to identify that and
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to, and to do something about it, I suppose, in the interest of self-preservation. But, um, uh, yeah,
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it's, it's an interesting situation. And I don't, I don't know whether I am going to get in, in trouble.
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I mean, I have a high enough profile and I have high enough, and I have some pretty powerful
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contacts and I know, um, you know, powerful people. And just, just a quick thing as well. Um,
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you're not from the right class to fall under that kind of purview. Yeah. Because I, I've noticed that,
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um, the police forces are very politicized through, with DEI, LGBT wokeness and that sort of stuff.
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But they only tend, if you look at the people who are actually, you know, you get the TikTok video of
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some lady or some man who's posted something transphobic or something like that. Yeah.
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They always have working class accents. People with an accent like mine and going up to sort of
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an accent like yours. I've had no problem with the police. Yeah.
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Because I think the people involved are from the sort of higher end of the working class and of,
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the, the, the, the Marxist critique of the police is not entirely wrong when it comes to keeping
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down the working classes. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean,
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I think I'm not involved explicitly or, or even tacitly in organization. I'm not,
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I'm not organizing marches. I'm not organizing protests or anything like that. I'm just a right-wing
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person writing essays and books and making podcast appearances and all that kind of stuff. But, uh,
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but nevertheless, I mean, the fear, the fear is there and we will, we will see. I mean, I, yeah,
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it's not the best thing to have a Labour government, but no, I mean, honestly, they've in some respects
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been better than the Tories already. Yeah, that's true.
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But anyway, uh, I guess to finish up then, do you have any advice to any right-wing anonymous internet
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posters who may end up in the sites of Hope Not Hate or someone like them in the future?
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Uh, yeah, I'd have a couple of different pieces of information. The first thing is, I mean,
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just don't post any personal information. Don't even post, don't even post photos of foodstuffs,
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because that's one of the ways that I was, well, that's one of the things that this woman,
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Catherine Long at Business Insider picked up on was a picture of a raw egg, a raw milk carton.
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Sorry. I was going to say, they didn't, they didn't, they didn't map out egg consumption by counting.
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Yeah. No, this is a remarkable egg consumption. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they could,
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they could have done that, um, uh, and caught me red handed. But, um, yeah, just don't post any
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pictures. And in fact, what I would say is if you want to remain anonymous, a good strategy might be
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to seed false information on the, on the internet, on your account. So, you know, here's my, here's my
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morning view. And you post a picture of the Lake District and you live in Cornwall, you know,
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simple things like that, that aren't obtrusive, that just fit in with the rest of your posting.
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Uh, maybe some fake information about a job you did, you know, I was in the, you know,
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I was in the, I remember what it was like in the forces and you weren't in the forces,
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all that kind of stuff. You can do that sort of thing. Um, but yes, I mean, primarily you want to
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avoid posting any personal information, including in group chats as well, because group chats get leaked.
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Yeah. And there's been this, there's been this absurd persistent rumor that I'm a Libyan Jew
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because I was talking in a, in a group chat. We were talking about Gaddafi, actually in a group chat,
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you know, because people often post memes about Gaddafi, you know, inviting 50 Italian models to,
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uh, to his palace and then giving them all copies of the Quran and all that sort of stuff.
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It might've been 500. Yeah, it was a lot. It was a lot of Italian models.
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It was shocking me to give them an hour long lecture on the Quran, to be honest.
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But so I said, look, my, my mother was raised in Libya because my grandfather was in the RAF
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and he was posted there. She was born in Singapore, but, um, when he was posted there, but, um,
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there was a, a selected, a section of what I had said was then posted
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on people's timelines. And then that became that my family was expelled from Libya by Gaddafi in 1970,
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when he expelled the Jews. And, you know, so don't think there is no private on social media.
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And that includes private messages. So, so don't make that mistake.
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Just as a quick thing, I'd really like to bolster that point by just saying anything you put on
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the internet, you should consider public knowledge.
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You're exactly right. Any private conversation, no matter how much you trust the person.
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It doesn't even matter if they don't leak it. You're putting it on an enemy's platform.
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Uh, and it's also, and it's also true about Twitter. I don't know whether it's still true now,
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but there were insiders at Twitter who were looking at messages, who were looking at messages
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and giving them to people like, there's a chap called Travis Brown who works in Germany.
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And he has been given money by the German government to map networks of, of right-wingers
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in Europe and America. And he is constantly archiving stuff and hope not hate use his archives.
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I know they do. Um, uh, because I mean, hope not hate in their state of hate report,
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then they had a picture that I posted very briefly in 2020 and deleted that was like a physique picture.
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And I, I blocked out my face, but I thought actually, no, I should take this down. So I took it down.
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So he got a snapshot of that when I posted that. And then that ended up two years later
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or three years later in the state of hate report. So, you know, just none of that.
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Nothing is private, even if it appears to be. The other thing I think I would say is that
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if, uh, if you do get doxxed, I think you have to, I think you have to realize that people like
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hope not hate can't be bargained with or reasoned with. They're like the Terminator in that regard.
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I don't, don't send the messages saying you're ruining my life. Why are you doing this?
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I think you absolutely do have to stand by what you've done and who you are. Um, uh,
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otherwise you are, you're providing them with a victory. I mean, I think they wanted me
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to deactivate my account and all that sort of stuff. I'm just not going to do that. I mean,
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I'm not, I stand behind everything I've said. I stand behind everything I've done. I stand behind
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who I am, uh, the persona and, and me as an actual person. So, uh, yeah, have some dignity,
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except that these are, that these people are your enemy, that they are doing this as a,
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as a way potentially to hurt you and your family.
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And just a quick thing there. It's not just Hope Night. It's the journalists who will use
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their reporting. They will message you as if they are your friends. They will send you friendly
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messages to say, oh, hello, I'm just doing a piece. Could you get it? Don't, don't give them
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anything. This is a deception. This is a cover. They are trying, as you say, to ruin your life and to
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ultimately make you delete your own accounts from the internet and withdraw entirely. Yeah. And there was,
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I mean, on, on the subject of journalists laundering these doxes, then there was a piece in the
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Independent about JD Vance and the fact that he follows me and BAP and, uh, other people. And
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within the first paragraph, then they had, they had referenced the Hope Not Hate dox of me. Um,
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it hadn't, they hadn't sort of couched it as being, oh, this is who Roig Nationalist is. They just wrote
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the words far right bodybuilders and then linked it there. So what they do is these, these journalists,
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uh, they build up almost like a network of citations. Yes. That's what they do. They,
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they launder this material that's, that's possibly, you know, obtained in a, in an illegal manner or
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certainly in contact with government authorities. Um, and they make it respectable. They cite it and
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then someone else cites it and then it's been established as a credible source. You know,
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this is Roig Nationalist. This is who he is. You know, it's interesting. Edmund Burke,
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in his reflections on the revolution in France, pointed out that in his day, the, the liberals
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would create this, I can't remember exactly the term he used, some sort of litany of crimes or,
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you know, litany of history, uh, that was, it was exactly the same. These are the things that have
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been done that are anti-leftist or unacceptable to the leftists. And they'll parade those around
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as if you're supposed to give them any credence. Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, the, the Hope Not Hate,
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uh, expose. I mean, it's pretty visible, the charges. It's just, he's right wing. I mean,
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at one point they said, they basically said he doesn't, uh, he uses irony and he doesn't actually
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say what he believes, but we know what he believes, which is, of course, you know, I'm, I'm some sort
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of Hitlerian figure. Um, uh, and that's what they do, but they use these buzzwords. They make
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associations with people like Bronze Age Pervert and, uh, the broader sort of far right ecosystem
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that's, uh, such a danger. And, um, and, and what they want to do as well is they want to suggest
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that there are going to be real world consequences. So there was this absurd piece that was published
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a couple of, I think it was almost two years ago now actually, by the Global Network on Extremism
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and Technology, which is a meta funded think tank. And they do all this really spurious research on
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the online right. And, um, they did a piece called the emerging, um, the emerging raw food movement
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and the great reset. And it was basically about, about me and about Bronze Age Pervert and some
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other people, Mike Marr, about how advocating consumption of raw milk and raw eggs and a return
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to ancestral diets is far right extremism. And, but at the end, the kicker was in the final paragraph.
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They say, this has the potential to spill over from the internet into acts of real world violence,
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like the Unabomber basically. So what, what violence are we talking about?
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And I've written a raw egg cookbook where I show you how to make no churn ice cream.
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Acts of real world culinary expertise. Yeah, exactly. But that, but that's what they do
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because they have these words, these very particular phrases and these very particular plays that they
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make time and again, and they work. And, you know, um, they're certainly good at making the sort of
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liberal elite flighty. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And so, yeah, I mean, like, uh,
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you know, I went on Eric Metaxas's show and we got on really well. And we talked about a piece
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that I had written for the Claremont Institute about George Floyd, about Derek Chauvin, uh,
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because Derek Chauvin was, had launched an appeal at the Supreme Court. This was almost like, this must
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have been a year and a half ago at least. And I said, you know, actually, the Chauvin case deserves to be
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heard on its merits in the Supreme Court. And that could be the beginning of a, of a kind of landslide,
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um, movement against the sort of racial revolution that's taking place in the, in the U S and we got
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on really well and we talked. And then I think he was told by someone, you know, Oh, have you seen
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this piece about Roy Ignatius? You know, he's a, he's a, he's an extremist. He's a dangerous person.
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And it was probably might've been that, um, global network on extremism and technology piece, but
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he's like, the podcast comes down. It's all, it's all gone. And that is exactly what it does.
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It's trying, they're trying to cut you off from respectable society and from, from normal people
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and, and isolate you and also alert the authorities to your existence if they're not aware of your
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existence already. The same thing happened with me and Joe Rogan, uh, the, when Joe Rogan went over
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to Spotify, almost all of his podcasts went across with him apart from a select few. And mine was
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one that didn't. And of course, Joe won't have me on again because he's just been made, okay,
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there's something dangerous in this area. I can't go over there. And I mean, I don't blame them for
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doing that. It's sensible for their own careers and whatnot, but, uh, but it's something to be aware of.
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Anyway, so any final thoughts on your doxing just before we end?
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It's been jolly good fun, actually. It's been great to come here, certainly, and, uh, speak in the flesh,
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Because I, I tell you, you are right. There is something liberating about it. Once you realize,
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actually, I'm off the edge of the cliff, but I can fly.
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Because suddenly, you know, the, the sky's the limit, as it were. But, uh, Charlie,