The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - Is America Incapable of Fixing Itself？｜ Interview with Wilhem Ivorsson

00:00:00.080 We're really in a much worse place than a lot of us here in these spheres want to acknowledge.

00:00:05.520 Some would say that's very pessimistic.

00:00:08.240 Fundamentally, people in the US unfortunately view politics as a form of entertainment.

00:00:12.400 It's a kind of sports ball.

00:00:14.000 Anybody in the world though can become an American.

00:00:16.480 We don't have that over here and it's trying to be imposed on us.

00:00:20.480 Their collective identity is to not have an identity.

00:00:23.040 Our collective identity is individualism.

00:00:25.600 It's a 16-part video series that you did on Star Trek, and it's progressive messaging.

00:00:31.140 Why Star Trek in particular?

00:00:32.700 I came across a couple Next Generation episodes, and I started to pick up on all these things in it

00:00:37.840 that seemed very, very progressive, even by today's standards,

00:00:41.300 how Gene Ronneberry came up with the character Spock.

00:00:43.640 He literally wanted to come up with a pointy-eared devil.

00:00:47.360 Hello. Thank you for joining us for this Lotus Eaters interview.

00:00:50.560 I'm very happy to say that today I'm talking to Wilhelm Iverson,

00:00:54.720 formerly known as the American Krogan. He is currently on Substack under the Iverson

00:01:00.840 Dilemma, where he produces video essays examining media and its effect as an agent of social

00:01:08.580 engineering. He's also begun writing some articles on there. Formerly, with his American Krogan

00:01:14.700 persona, he released video essays talking about video games and other types of media, where he

00:01:20.400 went into great detail on the ethnic narratives underpinning games like the Bioshock series.

00:01:27.200 Particularly important is his series on Bioshock Infinite called The Hatred, which I would

00:01:32.940 recommend to anybody. Similarly, he's done videos on Call of Duty Vanguard and its distortion of

00:01:38.540 history. And overall, his body of work is representative of a man with a deep and keen

00:01:43.680 insight into political narratives and how they are spread by the mass media. Thank you very

00:01:49.340 much for joining us today, Wilhelm. Thank you very much for having me on. I really appreciate it.

00:01:53.800 Well, as I mentioned before we were actually going live with this interview, and we're not live,

00:01:58.740 before we began recording this interview, I've been a big fan of your work for a long time. I

00:02:03.520 found it very eye-opening. And just to preface all of this, please, if you do get the chance,

00:02:08.620 go and visit his substat, go and visit the Odyssey channel. I believe your YouTube channel,

00:02:13.060 still under the American Krogan title, has got some content on it. Again,

00:02:17.760 your Mass Effect video is on there. I would really recommend anybody to go and check out

00:02:24.620 your videos. They're really, really good stuff. But mentioning your Iverson Dilemma sub stack,

00:02:32.380 that's what we should focus on right now, is that's where people can find you right now and

00:02:36.700 where you're producing your content. As mentioned in the little introduction, normally you're a

00:02:41.220 media critic, and you use media analysis and criticism to dive into broader subjects like

00:02:49.300 history, social engineering, social conditioning. The most recent thing that you have on there is

00:02:55.720 your article on Curtis Yarvin and his supposed Doomerism from his recent interview with Peter

00:03:02.240 McCormick on The Peter McCormick Show, and you have the little quote here from him where he's

00:03:07.460 been asked about civil war and whether whites will actually stand up for their own right 0.95

00:03:12.880 in the face of demographic displacement, where Yavin said that people have no balls and actually

00:03:19.540 like, you know, they will not resist, they will not resist all of, you know, I'm going to, I'll 0.90

00:03:24.940 try and cut some of the Yavinisms, shall we say, in the mode of speech. All of the thought that 1.00

00:03:30.540 they will get their muskets and put on their tricorned hats. When you go back, you go back

00:03:36.000 into the period when people actually did this. But what the future is, is that it'll be like

00:03:40.640 South Africa where people sit quietly in their houses and build more and more barbed wire and

00:03:44.860 electric fences until finally they're exterminated in one big problem. This caused a lot of controversy

00:03:50.820 and this caused responses from people like Zuma Historian, who you respectfully counter some of

00:03:57.720 the arguments that Zuma Historian presents in his rebuttal to this. And you actually come down,

00:04:04.140 regretfully it seems on the side of curtis yarvin in his analysis of american social dynamics

00:04:11.360 so what made you want to write this article on yarvin's comments on mass demographic change and

00:04:18.140 what made you fall more on his side regarding this because i think this is really important

00:04:22.460 in understanding the social dynamics of america how america's got to where it is right now and

00:04:27.720 the kind of ways that it contrasts with Europe um I guess you know a few years ago I probably

00:04:36.120 would have been much more optimistic and I probably would have seen things much more through the

00:04:40.180 filter that Zoomer historian is seeing it but uh I recently went back to the U.S. to try to make a

00:04:45.800 go of it there again um you know for anybody who doesn't know I've been living in South America for

00:04:50.800 about 12 years. And when I went back, it was a very big wake up call. Entire towns that I grew

00:04:58.980 up in had been gentrified and had been completely replaced to one extent or well, not completely, 1.00

00:05:05.780 but replaced to one extent or another with foreigners. You know, you go into a big place 1.00

00:05:09.660 like Walmart or whatever, and you would just feel like you're right back in South America or the

00:05:13.440 third world or wherever. You know, when I flew into Florida over the intercom at the airport,

00:05:20.440 All I heard was Spanish and Haitian. So you just have a lot of these sort of experiences.

00:05:26.500 And then you talk to actual heritage Americans and locals, and they don't have talking points

00:05:32.720 and ideas that are really anywhere close to ours. I didn't run into a single person

00:05:37.260 who I would deem to be one of our guys or somebody who was close to where we were at.

00:05:45.520 I mean, it was very, very eye opening. So those types of experiences sort of led me down the road of realizing that we're like, we're really in a much worse place than a lot of us here in these spheres want to acknowledge.

00:06:00.580 beyond that um you know if you just look at the if you look at the numbers um you know it's probably

00:06:08.780 the u.s at this point is probably it's probably i mean officially it's 50 white or somewhere

00:06:13.600 thereabouts you know depending on which in in the meme that i always see going around it's from

00:06:18.760 kingdom of heaven where it's uh edward norton's king and like edward norton's character going

00:06:23.160 silence of 57 white country speaking uh whenever it's directed at europeans you know so i i'm

00:06:30.520 gotta broadly assume that the figure is like 57 but i know with america the statistics are a little

00:06:36.220 bit weird because a lot of arabs yeah are classified as white as well yeah yeah i mean

00:06:41.880 there's actually there's actually been some tweets going around of some um mina people you know

00:06:46.600 complaining in the u.s that there isn't like a mina category uh and that they have either have

00:06:51.920 to say white or other and you know the categorization of race in the u.s is very odd

00:06:57.860 because sometimes victims will be accurately recorded

00:07:02.440 as to whether or not they're white,

00:07:03.700 but then perpetrators will be conveniently inaccurately recorded.

00:07:08.280 So you might get somebody who's Hispanic

00:07:10.120 who's recorded as white as being a perpetrator of a crime. 0.66

00:07:12.540 You might get somebody who's Arab recorded as white 0.76

00:07:15.300 who's a perpetrator of a crime.

00:07:16.580 So the stats get very, very, very skewed.

00:07:20.340 Since about 2018, children under the age of 18

00:07:23.200 are majority non-white. 1.00

00:07:25.540 So we have already absolutely crossed the threshold

00:07:27.840 wherein we are going to be a numeric minority like it's going to happen i don't see any evidence

00:07:34.780 from the trump administration or anybody else uh that they're going to engage in deportations and

00:07:40.740 various types of activities that are going to effectively change that uh it's kind of baked

00:07:45.760 in at this point and mark weber uh the historian i'm sure some people are familiar with uh he runs

00:07:52.860 very controversial historian yeah he runs the institute for historical review uh and he uh

00:07:59.920 had to show up until recently with uh frodi midjord another uh guy who's been active in these

00:08:04.680 metapolitical uh spheres for for probably two decades um they repeatedly talk about how um

00:08:13.160 you know at this point even if immigration completely stopped and you just dealt with

00:08:17.500 who's in the country at this point you're still going to have a minority white population

00:08:21.780 and the thing is if you go around and you talk to the white population uh even heritage americans

00:08:29.280 americans who can trace all their lineage back to you know like the 1700s um they don't have

00:08:36.100 very collectivist racialist views they're very very they're very very mercantile in their mindset

00:08:41.160 they're very very individualist in their mindset um they kind of want to and some of this ties into

00:08:49.540 the media that everybody has consumed since the end of world war ii uh you know i recently did

00:08:54.180 that series on star trek not to start talking about that now but that really did celebrate

00:08:58.900 this utopian vision of the future wherein um there would be all this technological and economic

00:09:05.080 progress still we'd end up in a post-scarcity economy and everybody in essence would become

00:09:11.060 an anglo you know in spirit just with a different skin color a different costume maybe a different

00:09:16.480 veneer and that's how a lot of americans actually i think in one way or another view the rest of the

00:09:20.880 world like being an expat um and living outside of the u.s and seeing other americans interact

00:09:28.140 outside of the u.s there's this tendency for americans to go somewhere else and kind of think

00:09:33.320 that everybody is just like us they have all of our same basic expectations all of our same basic

00:09:39.920 standards and they're constantly butting into the reality that that's not the reality

00:09:45.660 uh and they continually have problems with it so i kind of see americans continually wrestling with

00:09:53.120 the fact that people are different people do have group dynamics people do have group identity

00:09:58.440 politics and they just they just really have a very very difficult time coming to terms with it

00:10:03.460 and um that's unfortunately where we're at right now we're not at a point where

00:10:09.120 uh like a lot of guys in our spheres will talk about how everybody's obsessed with uh sports

00:10:15.780 ball uh a lot of white americans like to watch all these foreigners play sports ball i mean you

00:10:20.540 even see this in the uk you know yeah we've got we've got our um our black footballers and foreign

00:10:25.940 footballers who immediately get labeled british because they're playing on the england team which

00:10:30.840 to me just negates the whole point of having a nationally designated team in the first place

00:10:36.280 just name it after whoever owns the team or something at that point it's exactly the same

00:10:41.180 thing in the u.s you know it used to be back in the day that uh if somebody played for the you

00:10:45.520 know the baltimore football team or you know the cincinnati whatever they would be local and now

00:10:50.460 it kind of doesn't mean anything anymore because everybody's just traded around you know somebody

00:10:54.200 can be from you know across the country and they come to play for that city and it kind of doesn't

00:10:57.440 mean anything anymore and this this sort of ties into uh another fact that i've sort of realized

00:11:02.840 over time is that Americans, like their concept of nation now is, it really doesn't have anything

00:11:10.480 to do with the historical concept of nation. And I think fortunately in Europe, in places like

00:11:16.440 France, England, you know, the Netherlands and so on and so forth, while there are a lot of problems,

00:11:23.180 you all are still much more attached to that. There's still a much more of a sense of shared

00:11:29.580 history, you know, and it goes back further. Americans are much more deracinated. And I think 0.83

00:11:37.140 people like Zoom or Historian are not really factoring that in. When you say that there's

00:11:41.900 200,000 white Americans, and they're all armed with guns, and you know, they could potentially 0.67

00:11:46.680 resist X, Y, and Z. The fact is, they haven't been resisting anything for decades. I mean, 0.61

00:11:52.620 yeah, that's one of the more controversial, I would argue, probably one of the more controversial

00:11:56.740 statements that you make in this article is that you quote Zuma as saying it's completely

00:12:02.240 unreasonable to assume that a well-armed white population of 200 million is simply going to just

00:12:07.820 sit around behind their fences and you respond with it pains me to say this but yes to date

00:12:12.720 all historical patterns and you would argue that this could be maybe post-war the historical 0.51

00:12:17.680 patterns really become prevalent strongly suggest that white Americans will simply sit around

00:12:23.380 behind the fences. Now, some would say that's very pessimistic, especially because some would

00:12:29.180 argue that the whole point of the MAGA movement as it existed and rose up back in 2016 was more

00:12:36.340 of kind of like under the hood, a nativist movement, a movement that was going for white

00:12:43.780 America and white Americans. With that, I wonder if in a similar way to Nigel Farage having been

00:12:51.360 promoted by the mainstream media in you in the uk as being the second coming of hitler for so long

00:12:57.760 i wonder if right wingers who want yeah exactly right i wonder if nigel farage who at the time

00:13:03.900 in 2016 was saying don't worry if we get brexit done we'll be able to have more heckin wholesome 0.55

00:13:08.860 based brown and black people in the country was really hitler the whole time um maybe if you 0.77

00:13:16.040 believe the Myron Gaines version of Hitler or something uh but like I wonder if this is like

00:13:20.960 a media imparted image of this figure that doesn't actually hold up to reality that people kind of

00:13:28.220 internalized over the years the media said Trump is Hitler so many times that people said yes MAGA

00:13:35.100 is a white movement for white people right it's going to protect me and they don't realize that

00:13:40.300 Now, Trump is the Kushner president, right?

00:13:44.720 That's who he is.

00:13:45.880 Trump is like the ultimate solidification, really, of the Israel lobby within American politics.

00:13:53.960 And maybe it wasn't clear at first, but certainly I would say with the second term, it has been,

00:13:59.260 which is part of one of the reasons that you had this whole MAGA civil war going on for the past year

00:14:04.540 that's really ramped up in the past few weeks.

00:14:06.520 but yeah I mean I've not been to America yet but from what you're saying it does line up with this

00:14:13.440 idea of whenever anything happens you always get the MAGA Americans on Twitter for instance saying

00:14:19.440 like oh if they don't stop soon then we're gonna have to use our guns we're gonna have to do

00:14:23.900 something but I think I think back to like I think back to like Waco and I think back to Ruby Ridge 0.83

00:14:31.000 and these incidents in the 1990s where a bunch of white Americans weren't even like they weren't

00:14:36.260 going around killing people. They weren't even murdering people. They weren't going into black 0.69

00:14:41.460 communities and saying, right, it's time to get out of here. They were just saying, we're going 0.99

00:14:46.120 to organize for us as a white Christian community. And they found any reason whatsoever. The ATF went

00:14:54.760 in and planted evidence. They tricked people and then went in and just murdered them. Murdered

00:15:00.060 them all and think, did the rest of white America rise up in outrage at the time? Sure, you had 0.64

00:15:06.820 people talking about it. You had groups in America theorizing about it, telling the truth about what

00:15:12.680 happened. But there was no great uprising in America at that time. And you could say that's

00:15:17.900 one of the most horrifying tragedies to ever be inflicted on America by its own people, outside

00:15:24.040 of, say, the Civil War, or if you look at broad demographic change as a whole. Whereas in Britain,

00:15:30.060 uh and a lot of the rest of europe for instance like you say like this whole civic identity where

00:15:36.000 all of a sudden p anybody can be british as long as you've got the passport or as long as you

00:15:40.480 subscribe to quote-unquote british values is a really new thing over here whereas it's not

00:15:47.520 in america because of the differing waves of immigration that have come in over the since

00:15:52.960 1776 where you can be an american you reminded me of ronald reagan's speech in the 1980s where

00:15:59.160 said oh you can't just become an Englishman you can't just become a Frenchman anybody in the world

00:16:04.040 though can become an American like the rest of the world are Americans in waiting we don't have

00:16:10.700 that over here and it's trying to be imposed on us over here but it's not sticking it's really

00:16:16.880 not sticking with a lot of people outside of the kind of educated middle classes who are really

00:16:25.320 more susceptible than a lot, than most to these kinds of things. In Britain, even though we are,

00:16:31.040 you know, the origins of this Anglo mindset, there is still a really tribal undercurrent

00:16:35.880 to everything. If it hadn't been for the mainstream media and the political party system 0.88

00:16:40.560 blocking out Enoch Powell in the 1960s, he undoubtedly would have been able to become

00:16:44.940 prime minister because he was that popular for talking about the truth. And he was unapologetic

00:16:50.600 about it he was like no this is this is ethnic this is cultural this is racial we can't be

00:16:55.300 replaced this is the figure of the number of people coming in and even recently you've had

00:16:59.720 this resurgence of love and respect for Enoch Powell and what he was saying Southport in the

00:17:05.540 end of 2020 middle of 2024 some foreigner kills a bunch of school kids people riot over it here

00:17:12.760 and I and I I don't want to sort of like come across as pessimistic to our American audience

00:17:18.540 but i don't see that same kind of pushback as you're saying there you don't from americans

00:17:24.280 i mean i i've had you know i'm not going to go into great detail about it but there was a woman

00:17:29.620 in my family who was kidnapped for three days and raped and uh sorry to hear and yeah and nothing

00:17:38.520 happened uh we we don't we the perpetrator was never identified you know there wasn't like great

00:17:44.040 community outrage uh and that's just like you know one of many many many stories i mean this

00:17:49.680 these types of things happen all the time in the u.s and nobody does anything about them just just

00:17:55.720 recently you know with um irena zarutska being just brutally and savagely murdered um there

00:18:02.320 there has been public outrage but nobody rioted over it uh and there hasn't been any substantial

00:18:09.000 change in fact the public has more or less moved on to whatever's the next big thing i mean

00:18:13.960 that that is the united states it's always just moving on to the next big thing what's the next

00:18:18.120 big thing uh because fundamentally people in the u.s unfortunately view politics as a form of

00:18:24.340 entertainment it it's it's a kind of sports ball um you don't have a lot of serious people and the

00:18:30.040 serious people that do exist in politics uh they're almost always advocating for foreign interests

00:18:36.680 because it's usually the foreign interest groups that are very very very serious i mean say what

00:18:42.120 you will about uh the israeli lobby and jewish interests and whatnot but they are very serious

00:18:47.420 people uh they're we don't have a sheldon adelson put it like that you kind of you you know in this 0.88

00:18:53.980 day and age of mass deracination you almost have to have some respect for that because uh the white

00:19:00.000 western world doesn't really have anybody like that yeah because i mean it's not like in america

00:19:05.920 there's any lack of wealthy white Americans who would have the means to support large movements

00:19:11.920 like that. I mean, you would even say that people say, you know, they talk about the Teal network.

00:19:17.700 Peter Teal or someone like Elon Musk are the people who are white. Obviously, they're both 0.87

00:19:25.060 from foreign backgrounds, but they're American citizens now, etc. They could go out of their way

00:19:30.880 to really fund these kinds of movements in America

00:19:35.080 if they really wanted to.

00:19:36.800 But it's either that there's some block,

00:19:38.760 some ideological block preventing them,

00:19:41.420 or they're surreptitiously more advocating

00:19:44.840 for their own personal benefit,

00:19:47.660 like Elon Musk with his H-1Bs,

00:19:49.880 Peter Thiel by getting J.D. Vance

00:19:51.780 into the vice presidency of the White House,

00:19:53.720 and then all of a sudden you get lots of different bills

00:19:56.180 coming about where it's no regulation on AI

00:20:00.240 or AI development technology, and Peter Thiel also seeming to potentially starting to try and

00:20:06.540 get a foothold into British politics. There are connections between him and the head of the reform

00:20:11.700 party's head of policy, James Orr, as well, where it's like these people are organizing in either

00:20:20.160 their own interests, or perhaps they are working alongside foreign interests as well. And they have

00:20:26.740 the funds and means to actually enact change but they are going for these policies like with Elon

00:20:32.320 and the H-1B either directly contribute to demographic change or in the case of reform in

00:20:38.160 Britain act as a containment mechanism where they're not going to enact any kind of mass 0.63

00:20:44.140 deportations they're not going to be I would argue I don't think reform would be anywhere near as

00:20:49.200 immigration restrictionist as some in the media would like to make out to be and in fact what

00:20:53.220 you would end up with as we saw since the beginning of the iran war and reform's initial support for

00:20:59.300 it if it hadn't been for the pushback and the fact that we now have restore in britain who

00:21:04.160 immediately pushed back on it and kind of put the uh put the pressure on for us if a reform

00:21:09.520 government had been in with those kinds of interests and those kinds of ideologies backing

00:21:14.400 them we would probably be way more involved in iran's war than we are currently um to kind of

00:21:22.400 cycle back to something you were saying before, talking about how the media portrays certain

00:21:28.420 individuals, certain political parties and certain outfits as being, you know, Nazis or very far

00:21:34.620 right or very, very, very extreme on immigration and whatnot, because, you know, once upon a time

00:21:39.700 reform was portrayed as being like, you know, very, very, very extreme. And you can see that

00:21:46.500 with MAGA. And I think there's, you know, some of that might just be organic. It might just be

00:21:51.600 certain people because you know you see certain journalists and certain individuals write

00:21:55.080 make commentary who really sincerely believe that it's it's the fourth right you know or

00:22:00.880 something crazy like that they are they're kind of deranged but there's also some basic political

00:22:06.260 utility and encouraging that kind of behavior because it it people who are genuinely interested

00:22:11.960 in some kind of immigration reform saving the basic demographic character of their country and

00:22:17.200 whatnot they will see uh left-wing media or even centrist media sort of saying these people are

00:22:23.500 very extreme on these positions and that they will see that and they will think that must be my party

00:22:28.300 and they will all go to that they will put all their energies into that and it's kind of a pressure

00:22:33.400 release valve it's just kind of a dump you know like you can sort of steer all this public angst

00:22:38.880 off off a cliff so you know into an area where it serves no purpose and then afterwards when

00:22:44.880 nothing happens, people feel a little bit more nihilistic. They feel a little bit more

00:22:48.820 disillusioned. They're a little less likely to try to engage in something else. So I think

00:22:56.420 that there's kind of like, you know, there isn't one explanation for what happens here. There's

00:23:01.020 just sort of like a layer of factors. You have some sincere actors and you have some insincere

00:23:06.220 actors. And with regards to Musk and, you know, white wealthy elites, I think they probably have

00:23:14.140 overlapping motivations too you know and they might convince themselves sometimes that what

00:23:18.380 they're doing like musk might be absolutely sincere in his concern about uh the demographic

00:23:24.060 replacement of the u.s or or or you know england or wherever but he might also convince himself

00:23:30.000 that certain things that he's that he's doing are necessary and really aren't that bad it's

00:23:36.060 hard to say um because you know something else i talked about in the epilogue of the star trek

00:23:40.720 series and i think i might have talked about it in an article or two is that you know somebody

00:23:45.060 like jeff basis who has you know a beverly hills estate and he has like these 50 foot hedges

00:23:50.800 surrounding it and he basically it's illegal to do that there apparently it violates a city ordinance

00:23:55.160 and he just pays a thousand dollars a month in fines to continue to have it like when you have

00:24:00.240 like that kind of money and that kind of power where you can just flaunt everything you you just

00:24:06.140 don't live in the same world as the average person. And that doesn't necessarily make you

00:24:10.540 a bad person. It just means you have a very different experience. You're surrounded by

00:24:14.380 very different people. Your daily life consists of very, very different things.

00:24:19.780 You have very different obstacles. You're also in the position where you can self-actualize

00:24:24.920 constantly, whereas the average person cannot. The average person struggles with

00:24:28.880 paying their bills. And meanwhile, you get an idea. You have this infrastructure around you,

00:24:35.460 And you can bring that idea into reality very, very, very quickly.

00:24:38.180 So you have this very, very enthusiastic, positive outlook on everything, whereas a

00:24:44.180 lot of society just doesn't relate to that.

00:24:46.540 So I just think there's like increasing like this very big psychological disconnect between

00:24:52.580 elites and average people.

00:24:55.460 And it's sometimes it's the case that it's like nefarious in nature, but sometimes it's

00:25:00.060 not.

00:25:00.280 It's just the fact that there are these massive differences in daily lived experience.

00:25:07.120 Yeah, and when you talk about the kind of contradictory nature of a lot of it,

00:25:11.160 it's something that you partially address in your other recent article,

00:25:14.560 The Tyranny of the Individual, where you're kind of talking about,

00:25:17.980 when we talk about why it is that Curtis Yarvin's Doomerism,

00:25:21.600 despite the fact that some might argue, and there might be an element of this,

00:25:25.260 that Yarvin himself in that argument is trying to be purposefully subversive. He's maybe trying

00:25:31.840 to slip under the rug, the doomerism that you're talking about, whether or not it's realistic or

00:25:36.140 not. But when we talk about like white people advocating for white interests, there is this

00:25:42.820 contradiction and block in that, like you say, in America, so many people just aren't interested

00:25:47.980 in thinking that way despite the fact that there is a kind of collectivist moral wider community

00:25:57.080 that they are appealing to by forcing other white people into adopting a kind of radical open

00:26:04.440 tolerant poparian individualism because you talk about the contradictions between say

00:26:11.200 The anti-woke crowd advocating against the kind of woke video games where you're not allowed sexy women anymore, despite the fact at the same time, you know, they're also arguing basically in favor of massive corporations being able to turn your mind to mush by advertising with pornography for you.

00:26:31.300 So there's all of these different contradictory elements of the white mindset that might be going behind somebody like Elon Musk or behind somebody like Peter Thiel and motivating them.

00:26:43.660 This idea that they are just completely contradictory.

00:26:47.240 Is that something that's, as Kevin MacDonald would argue, this kind of radical individualism as a moral collective community that you don't push other ethnic groups? 0.80

00:26:56.560 You don't see people like pushing Nigerians, that they all need to be radical individuals.

00:27:01.080 you only see white people enforcing this with other white people is that something like kevin

00:27:05.880 mcdonald would argue is just inherent to us because of the way that we've developed as a

00:27:10.880 people or is that something that is more pushed on us by a lot of the post-war media that we've

00:27:16.580 consumed my gut response to that is that it's just very very messy and it's hard to really parse out

00:27:23.700 neatly uh there's certainly some of that uh i mean some of these things are just innate i i think

00:27:30.320 since the Enlightenment, we've been more predisposed toward individualism. And at the

00:27:37.500 same time, basically something I say in the article, The Tyranny of the Individual, is that

00:27:43.900 I think I bring up Athanaric, and he was a 4th century Gothic ruler. He went around persecuting

00:27:54.500 any goths who converted to christianity but he basically left christians alone and and you can

00:28:00.540 kind of see that attitude ironically enough in a lot of modern progressive whites and even 0.69

00:28:05.520 conservatives insofar that they will they will leave other non-white groups alone and allow

00:28:14.540 them to have their ethnic enclaves you know their political caucuses their identity groups their

00:28:19.280 networks but if any white group tries to organize and say you know we have this exclusive identity

00:28:24.840 here we don't want to incorporate everybody else or we believe that we have you know uh you know

00:28:31.200 group rights that are unique to us both liberal and conservatives uh will white liberals and

00:28:37.300 conservatives will feel that that is it is their right to stop that because they actually feel like

00:28:44.040 they do share a collective white identity with these other white people and their collective

00:28:49.180 identity is to not have an identity. Our collective identity is individualism. And I don't think I say 0.55

00:28:55.620 this explicitly in the article, but it kind of ties back a little bit to Rudyard Kipling's

00:29:01.360 White Man's Burden parody, or whatever you want to call it, poem in 1899. He's sort of making fun

00:29:07.720 of the white world for insisting that we have to go around with the civilizing mission and make

00:29:13.460 everybody else just like us. I think to some extent, this collective white identity of non-identity 0.62

00:29:20.380 that is enforced on white people, but not on non-white people, it's sort of a continuation

00:29:26.840 of that in so far that, and this is a little convoluted, I might not be making any sense,

00:29:32.540 but the idea is that to some extent, conservatives and liberals feel that non-white people can't live

00:29:39.540 up to these ideals quite yet or you know like individualism as as captain picard would view it

00:29:46.300 is like the the apotheosis it's the end of history it's it's the pinnacle of human evolution and

00:29:52.240 these other peoples haven't quite gotten there yet and so we need to be patient with them and 1.00

00:29:56.040 we need to tolerate them as they develop toward you know the pinnacle of evolution which is

00:30:01.720 white anglo-saxon individual hyper individualism hyper capitalist individualism um so i think

00:30:08.280 there's some of that going on but again it's kind of complex and you have like these other factors

00:30:12.420 that play uh so you can't really neatly put it all into one model you'd probably have to like

00:30:18.660 create some kind of a pie chart or something and sort of like quantify like you'd have to like

00:30:25.180 list each individual individual set of factors and like quantify how much you think they're

00:30:31.100 they're part of the overall pie if that makes any sense no i do get what you mean because it is is

00:30:36.680 complex. And the other difficulty with it is I recently had an interview with Dr. Ricardo

00:30:41.660 Duchesne, which should be on the website and on YouTube by the time that this interview

00:30:45.220 goes out, where we were talking about the origins of Western individualism. He has this enormous

00:30:51.700 book called Greatness and Ruin, where he's talking about the ability of the European mind to

00:30:56.620 individuate itself and to abstract out, which developed going back to the Greeks, kind of led

00:31:02.780 to a striving nature where you can put yourself above the natural world and you're able to develop

00:31:08.920 these great systems of logic and mathematics that aren't replicated anywhere else in the world and

00:31:13.840 it leads to things like the Enlightenment, it leads to the Renaissance, it leads to the European

00:31:19.280 development of all of these different eras of art and music and kind of eras and stages that you

00:31:27.660 don't see anywhere else, like he uses the example of China, where all philosophy post-Confucianism

00:31:33.920 has just been minor developments and spins on Confucianism, which inevitably end up leading

00:31:39.980 straight back to where they began. Whereas with European thought, you have all of this different

00:31:44.640 individuated thought, where you can have Lockean individualism, that you can have Demaestra's

00:31:51.620 conservatism you can have Nietzschean vitalism which do trace back to you could say a Greek

00:31:58.220 origin but they're all very different from one another and reflect the ideas that these people

00:32:03.420 wanted to put themselves out from the pack where other cultures wanted to remain within the pack

00:32:09.160 so there's also the difficulty of like European individualism the striving to better ourselves

00:32:14.520 from nature has led us to develop all of those great things that made European civilization

00:32:19.620 great in the first place but then when it starts to get expanded out and out and out and out and

00:32:25.540 the ambition and the mission creep sneaks up on you all of a sudden the overriding ambition

00:32:30.380 as said in the white man's burden is that everybody else needs to be like us because

00:32:36.500 it's not fair for them not to be like us yeah well i mean i guess the way something i've been

00:32:44.720 thinking about a whole lot lately is that, um, once the age of discovery came about and you had

00:32:50.380 all these technological innovations and, you know, uh, uh, Europeans sort of created the,

00:32:57.360 the, the, the, the global capitalist commerce network, you know, just brought the whole world

00:33:02.500 together. Once you have the whole world sort of connected in that way, the sort of Faustian

00:33:07.780 individualist spirit of europeans uh meets uh the sort of particularist collectivist nature of

00:33:16.100 most other peoples and you know once you know you have mass travel uh you have mass exchanges

00:33:23.740 because you know up until that point people were largely isolated i mean you had some interchange

00:33:29.360 here and there between you know parts of western asia and europe parts of north africa and europe

00:33:34.320 but it was relatively limited you didn't have massive population exchanges over very short

00:33:40.040 periods of time and so once the european sort of is in this global capitalist uh network um

00:33:49.020 i i think that's sort of because of some of our innate dispositions you know because we're so

00:33:56.420 much more individualist because we're not innately tribalist in the way pakistanese and some other

00:34:00.440 groups of people are uh that sort of almost invariably leads to our demise uh you know i i

00:34:09.620 hate to be that pessimistic about it but i think if we address that and we acknowledge that for

00:34:15.900 what it is then we can kind of deal with it um if you pretend that oh we're really always we've

00:34:21.960 always been super tribal and collectivist then you don't really get at the heart of the problem

00:34:27.960 And because, you know, like a lot of people try to argue that everything in the post-war era is completely down to just propaganda. And a lot of it is propaganda. And a lot of Western peoples have been propagandized to be hyper individualist and hyper atomized.

00:34:45.620 And there's a certain degree of capitalist enterprise that has brought that about, convenience, all of that.

00:34:52.220 But at the same time, if you go back into even into prehistory, Kevin MacDonald makes a case that there are these indicators that there are some of these innate predispositions that were there before.

00:35:03.560 And I think that's why you got the Enlightenment out of Europe.

00:35:07.660 that's why you got uh that's why christianity developed very very well there and people

00:35:12.580 adhere to the more individualist uh aspects of christianity um and uh yeah so if you sort of

00:35:22.060 address that you know what's that socio-economic concept weird you know like you know they're you

00:35:29.500 know i think we are books called weird and it's all based off of that stuff yeah it's just an

00:35:35.960 acknowledgement that we are weird we are not like a lot of other peoples and if you acknowledge that

00:35:41.420 and if you you know deal with what are the the primordial building blocks because it's you know

00:35:46.720 freddie midyard said and well i think he said this when he was talking to kevin mcdonald in

00:35:50.840 an interview but it's like you have to think of liberalism much more more so as a personality

00:35:57.240 spectrum it's it's not like necessarily a hard ideology so much as it is a spectrum of different

00:36:04.500 types of personalities. You'll get overly empathetic people. You'll get these hyper-individualist

00:36:10.260 libertarian types. You get this whole consortium of Western personalities. And I think if people

00:36:19.560 start looking at the problem more along those lines, then we're more likely to come up with

00:36:24.600 solutions. I mean, that's how I look at it. Yeah, you could say that what you could do is you could

00:36:29.760 turn that contradiction that you identify in the tyranny of the individual on its head where we do

00:36:35.640 implicitly recognize ourselves as a moral racial ethnic cultural community which is why we enforce

00:36:43.960 that hyper individualism on its head on each other recognizing that that is something that's

00:36:50.960 implicit you could it would it would require depropagandizing people socially engineering

00:36:59.040 people in ways that people might find uncomfortable, it would require convincing people to more

00:37:05.660 explicitly recognize that moral community, recognize that we are individuals because

00:37:10.820 we won't be able to, you can't propagandize people out of something that innate to the European

00:37:16.540 character, whilst still reigning in the excesses of inviting the entire world in to enjoy those

00:37:25.100 same benefits that we do that they just doesn't come naturally to them as well i think one of the

00:37:30.500 big things and i mentioned this with dr duchene um and i'd be interested to see if you agree with me

00:37:36.300 would be having to rein in capital and the hyper capitalism that we live under right now yeah

00:37:43.360 because i think one of the reasons that hyper individualism is pushed so much is that by

00:37:48.480 deracinating people and like you said you see this in america uh like you say you see you speak to

00:37:54.040 people in Walmart and you see people in Walmart um the kind of deracinated hyper individualism

00:37:59.400 just turns people into perfect consumers for products at Walmart if you're not connected to

00:38:05.340 your any ideology if you're not connected to any ancestry or culture or history well then you are

00:38:11.640 just a free uh if you're a quote-unquote free thinker then you're just a walking consumer to

00:38:18.460 be sold products to i think i i kind of allude to this in the epilogue of the star trek series

00:38:25.900 but i i you know i i brought up uh the film the lorax because it was all about you know strip

00:38:30.420 mining and clear cutting and you know there are eventually consequences for it and then you know

00:38:36.680 in the end of the film you know uh i forget what all the different animals are called and whatnot

00:38:40.560 it's been so long but you see uh everybody drive off after they've clear cutted a forest and just

00:38:45.940 strip mind everything. Um, I see radical individualism, you know, in capitalism and

00:38:52.360 whatnot, basically strip mining, uh, the human condition and sort of strip mining human heritage

00:38:57.500 and whatnot. And when you first, for a very brief period of time, there's a lot of capital you can

00:39:04.340 gain from engaging in these paradigms, wherein you encourage radical Adam as Adam, radical

00:39:10.440 individualism, but eventually there's going to be a big cost. Eventually you're going to have huge

00:39:15.620 swaths of the population who are just completely nihilistic. They've given up, you know, and

00:39:20.560 you're starting to see this, you know, with, you know, fertility rate drops, you know, that's part

00:39:25.020 of, I think that's one of the indicators. You see a lot of people who want to justify, like, you'll

00:39:32.140 see a lot of women in their 30s and 40s talk about how like, oh, I get to go home every day and watch

00:39:36.400 Netflix, you know, and I, you know, I don't have to worry about my, you know, the kids that don't

00:39:40.120 exist and i don't have this or that but you kind of see them sort of constantly justifying

00:39:46.440 their misery because you can see that they actually are miserable on some level

00:39:52.060 um but yeah i mean i'm kind of deviating a little bit here i think eventually even big elite

00:39:59.940 capitalists uh tech bros and the like will have to sort of acknowledge that the current model we're

00:40:06.280 does just lead to nihilism like you can't have a society of individuals in perpetuity like

00:40:13.240 there's going to be a big cost like something i meant i think something else i mentioned in the

00:40:18.160 epilogue uh is the co-founder of palantir talks about he would pay how he would pay like a 90

00:40:24.400 tax rate if he had a functional society if he had a functional safe competent society how it's

00:40:30.240 increasingly not able to live up to his standards. And the problem is that the paradigm that a lot

00:40:38.560 of elites and capitalists and tech bros have brought about brings about the problems that

00:40:45.820 they want to avoid. And so you have to eventually, if you want a functional, competent society,

00:40:52.000 you have to acknowledge that the human condition actually revolves around some form of collective

00:40:57.580 of tribalism you know uh you you can't you can't wish wish it away and you can do things to destroy

00:41:05.340 all of that and can temporarily uh make a big profit off of it just like you can clear cut a

00:41:11.340 forest but eventually there's there will be no more trees and you have to plant more trees or

00:41:15.640 do something you know so yeah i'm kind of rambling at this point but you get the idea no i i do get

00:41:20.700 what you mean and and with with that we've mentioned the star trek series uh a few times

00:41:25.420 already and it does also play into some some questions regarding tech billionaires like elon

00:41:31.460 musk or peter teal obviously peter teal he's more into his whole lord of the rings imagery with

00:41:36.960 palantir and so how how he managed to think oh yeah the palantir that's a great idea i'll name

00:41:42.700 it after that i don't know but he is also obsessed with the antichrist so who knows what goes on in

00:41:47.600 Peter Thiel's head. Elon Musk is much more explicitly influenced by the tech utopian future

00:41:55.820 of Star Trek. He has explicitly said in a number of interviews and presentations that he's given,

00:42:01.140 I'm building Star Trek in the real world. Earlier on this year, I believe, he gave some speeches at

00:42:07.340 a conference where he said, with the development of AI, which of course Musk has dipped his toe

00:42:12.560 into with the development of grok and other technologies we'll be able to build a future

00:42:17.940 within the next few years where people won't have to work everything will be purely automated

00:42:23.220 people won't spend money because there won't be money anymore what he's talking about there is

00:42:28.980 he's talking about star trek as described in your series at one point by picard where he's speaking

00:42:36.100 to somebody from the past and he's saying we don't have money anymore so it does seem to be

00:42:42.000 very influential on the worldview of someone like elon musk who i think can fairly be described as

00:42:47.960 a gigantic nerd so was that something was that something to do with um why you decided that

00:42:56.520 your big project to return to the uh to the realm of content creation video production

00:43:01.880 would be star trek because of course it's a 16 part video series that you did on star trek and

00:43:08.800 its progressive messaging, was it to do with this new paradigm that we live in with tech elites

00:43:15.040 like Elon Musk being so influenced by it? Or was it something else that inspired you

00:43:19.820 to make Star Trek? Why Star Trek in particular? I would say that that became a factor as the work

00:43:28.660 was progressing. The tech bro and the post-scarcity stuff, it was kind of something I sort of realized

00:43:35.200 when I started making the series, but I thought about that much more as the series

00:43:38.760 developed what prompt like first and foremost i didn't grow up watching star trek uh i had always

00:43:43.900 heard about it uh you know i was born in the early 80s so you know i i heard about it a lot

00:43:49.500 through what i would call the process of cultural osmosis and you know i always heard about the

00:43:55.720 characters i always heard about sort of the values and the ideas but it was never something i was

00:44:00.000 interested in and then a couple years ago um i came across a couple uh next generation episodes

00:44:07.560 And for some reason, I watched them and I started to pick up on all these things in it that seemed very, very progressive.

00:44:14.080 Even by today's standards, they seemed progressive.

00:44:16.760 And I started to think about how everybody says, particularly in modern entertainment, cultural spheres, they say things like, oh, you know, Woke started in 2015 and it's this recent phenomenon.

00:44:29.980 And I just sort of thought to myself, well, Star Trek, you know, starting in the 1960s, shortly after the civil rights movement, during the Apollo space program, and then continuing later on in the late 80s, these things were very, very progressive, and they would find very well, they would find their footing in today's world very well, just at least in terms of their value.

00:44:52.800 So I felt compelled to go through the series and sort of show just how progressive they were to everybody and sort of attempt to approve to prove that woke is something that goes back much further than 2015.

00:45:06.500 It is a product of it is the culmination.

00:45:09.980 It's the exponential culmination of a series of post-war paradigm shifts.

00:45:16.080 So and that's something that I think the general public still doesn't get.

00:45:21.040 a lot of people in our spheres totally get that that the progressive post-war values go back a

00:45:26.640 lot further than than the 2000s but the general public does not get that and you have a lot of

00:45:32.000 people today who are complaining about new star trek and saying oh it's so woke it's so bad it

00:45:38.260 has all these weird progressive values and when you try to talk to them about how well the 90s

00:45:44.040 and the 80s were kind of just as bad if you really go back and you look at it like and you can you

00:45:48.620 can it's not just star trek it's loads of these it's everything it's not just you but you know

00:45:54.860 um blackpilled devon stack as well on his um on his insomnia streams he's gone back and i think

00:46:01.000 he did a three-part series called like um uh like everything was better in the 90s something like

00:46:06.220 that or he just called it like the gay 90s and he just went back and he reviewed a few episodes

00:46:10.740 of a few television programs that were very clearly pushing these um uh pushing these like

00:46:19.460 progressive pro-gay rights um talking points but everybody looks back on those on the 90s and goes

00:46:27.060 ah they were so clean of anything woke and it's like no you just don't understand from today's

00:46:32.780 perspective that going back to them this was a radical social agenda that was being pushed on

00:46:38.380 people so people are looking back at it kind of anachronistically and they're looking back at it

00:46:43.140 with rose tinted glasses and i i've watched you know i i've watched star trek my dad used to tell

00:46:50.100 me about how great it was my dad used to tell me about how you know like um not he didn't say

00:46:56.900 progressive but how like forward thinking it was and my dad's you know like a center-right

00:47:01.500 old school conservative in britain right and i would watch it i would watch it and even as a kid

00:47:08.120 i was like oh yeah there's some fun space adventures going on here but even as like

00:47:13.240 a kid like in my early teens i was like this is this is really preachy though so when i when i

00:47:20.480 see the clips of the new stuff come out because they weren't subtle about it either when i see 0.96

00:47:25.400 the clips of the new stuff come out where it is just like a fat black lesbian woman talking to 0.65

00:47:30.620 like a non-binary transgender space alien or something and there's no white men on screen at 0.70

00:47:35.940 all and people are complaining i go well yeah this is kind of just the next step along the path that

00:47:41.100 star trek already exactly and exactly and i see people disagree with you on this i've mentioned

00:47:47.160 it on the podcast as well and even within our own spheres within my own comment section people have

00:47:52.320 been saying harry you don't understand this was uh this was not woke at all it's pushing an idea

00:47:59.300 and this is kind of a razor fist line i'm interested on your take on this like razor

00:48:03.720 razor fist for instance has said for a long time that star trek was actually anti-woke because it

00:48:09.540 promoted a kind of individualism individualism and libertarianism it kind of comes from that

00:48:14.220 libertarian idea that the more individualist and free market you are then the more right-wing you

00:48:19.760 are supposedly gene roddenberry was highly influenced by by ayn rand so a lot of people

00:48:26.780 argue that it's not actually subversive and that you're just reading too much into it which does

00:48:32.700 get me banging my head against the wall a little bit when i when i encounter those arguments

00:48:37.400 well immediately i mean there's all a whole bunch of things i could say to that um i get why people

00:48:43.120 think think that way but what immediately comes to mind to me is how gene rondenberry came up with

00:48:48.320 the character spock he literally wanted to come up with a pointy ear devil gene rondenberry was

00:48:56.940 originally a southern baptist and he you know apostatized um he you know sometime around the

00:49:02.860 age of 16 and you know he it was something to do over uh communion and you know he just viewed it

00:49:10.480 as cannibalism and whatnot and he clearly has all this uh resentment toward his childhood religion

00:49:15.880 but at the same time he incorporates warped elements of his childhood christian religion 0.71

00:49:22.020 into everything he does and he wanted to create spock as sort of this devil that it that

00:49:30.480 superficially was the embodiment of the evil in his religion but was actually like better than

00:49:39.760 than than everybody who adhered to their religion it's sort of like ah there's there's a term i can't

00:49:45.500 think of it off the top of my head right now but he he was kind of acting just spiteful towards

00:49:51.200 society he was just kind of saying um christians and society as it is now isn't progressive and

00:49:59.480 you know it's backward and i'm gonna take this this this devil this preconceived notion that

00:50:05.480 people have and i'm gonna imbue in this preconceived notion all the highest values so spock's gonna be

00:50:11.200 he's gonna be more intelligent than everybody he's gonna be more measured you know he's gonna

00:50:15.280 to be wiser than everybody and uh you know so so that's what comes to mind here um i don't think

00:50:21.540 gene roddenberry was promoting individualism when he was doing that although the series does promote

00:50:26.020 a lot of individualism but it's it's not a series or a franchise that is just about individualism

00:50:34.000 um and then you could get into the borg and uh some of the other stuff that i think gene probably

00:50:39.720 had a little less to do with because that's the other thing you have to consider well that's

00:50:43.880 something is that a lot of people like the razor fist types and the center right types would argue

00:50:49.140 that the Borg is an analogy for communism and therefore because they're presented as a thought

00:50:56.280 controlling totalizing collective the show is arguing that collectivism is bad and what you

00:51:03.260 should aspire to is individualism and all of these different other values that represent America

00:51:09.680 because that's what picard and the others are doing that basically taking americanism into space

00:51:15.040 yeah but i mean they're they're a super i mean you you really start to see this in uh deep space

00:51:22.500 nine which again roddenberry really had almost nothing to do with because he was dead by that

00:51:26.620 point um but you really see how the federation is just like the borg in that and there's even

00:51:34.180 an episode uh where uh one of the maquis uh terrorists um has this big speech about it

00:51:42.080 the federation america goes around enforcing federation american values on everybody else

00:51:49.760 uh and it it there are actually times when picard outright punishes planets for not strictly

00:51:59.020 adhering to his his his values like there's this one uh i actually didn't talk about it in the

00:52:04.680 series i forget what it's called there's so many different episodes i can't remember them all it's

00:52:07.960 um it was the one where uh the enterprise goes to this planet that is petitioning to become a part

00:52:15.160 of the federation and they have a penal colony on a different planet where they put their ex

00:52:21.260 super soldiers who have problems readjusting into society they genetically engineered these

00:52:28.240 soldiers to engage in some kind of war that's never really spelled out that the episode never

00:52:32.680 talks about the war itself the idea is that this society must be evil because they genetically

00:52:37.340 engineered these soldiers and then after the war they put them on this planet uh because they were

00:52:42.160 very dangerous and they couldn't readjust into society and uh picard uh long story short helps

00:52:49.900 these soldiers fight a rebellion against their own government go to the capital take over the capital

00:52:56.040 And then he leaves the planet's government in the hands of these super soldiers and says, when you are all ready for membership into the Federation, please reconsider your application.

00:53:09.480 And if you watch the episode and you really think about it, he's punishing these people for not having like bleeding heart liberal values.

00:53:20.400 And if you think about it, there's really nothing wrong with a society that came up with that, you know, a set of super soldiers that couldn't readjust into society from separating them to some extent.

00:53:32.560 If like these guys literally like the one main character literally kills several guards escaping and he actually tells the audience and the other characters that he is programmed to escape.

00:53:44.760 He is programmed to do all these things and he can't stop himself.

00:53:47.880 it is it was entirely irresponsible for Picard to put that individual in charge of that planet's

00:53:55.520 government uh so you just kind of see this I don't know if this is making any sense but you

00:53:59.640 just see this kind of behavior over and over again uh with Picard he goes around superimposing

00:54:06.760 federation values on different societies where those values may not work and it's sort of

00:54:11.500 sort of contradicts the prime directive and it sort of contradicts uh Picard and the federation's

00:54:16.780 other ethos which is that you know uh we need to leave societies to develop as they see fit

00:54:22.220 uh they might have different considerations than than our own they might have different cultures

00:54:27.380 and customs and we need to respect them so the series is very very very schizophrenic in that

00:54:32.020 regard it just cycles back and forth between that and but you know yeah again you will see

00:54:37.600 picard captain kirk everybody constantly violate the prime directive violate their own stated

00:54:43.080 values if they feel like those if they feel like the values of that planet are in such contrast

00:54:49.180 with their own american federation values that they just can't stand it so star trek really is

00:54:54.720 just a big parallel for um america in the post post-war era well one of the other interesting

00:55:00.800 things to note about what you're talking about there is the one of the it indulges in one of

00:55:06.360 what i would argue is one of the most pernicious tricks that modern media engages in which is the

00:55:11.980 bundling of all of these different behaviors and values together so that you associate this um

00:55:18.800 these kind of liberal american values with things like picard being a very very cultured man he has

00:55:27.700 a great depth of history he has a great grasp on history and culture he's a musician he enjoys

00:55:34.080 shakespeare he has this kind of thing yeah he has this like old world mentality regarding like

00:55:42.820 he's got this colonial look to him he's decisive he's a man of action captain kirk you go back

00:55:48.840 almost every single episode he ends up physically overpowering uh some alien who's standing against

00:55:55.060 him so that all of these positive masculine uh very admirable values bundled up with these

00:56:02.140 characters with the intention of sneaking the liberalism in with them it's something that you

00:56:07.760 see something i see it all the time when i see clips of um what is it i think it might have even

00:56:12.540 been you i saw retweeting and discussing this was jack reacher where it's a scene of him this

00:56:17.300 enormous roided out like 6364 super soldier superman type where he's talking to some young

00:56:24.140 female recruit and he's like by the way i'm a feminist to let all of the masculine macho men

00:56:30.980 watching know that if you really want to be macho then you're going to support feminist values

00:56:37.420 yeah that i mean that you hit the nail on the head that is exactly what has been

00:56:41.820 happening for decades and what people what i think people fail to understand is that

00:56:46.360 in something like the the original series of star trek yeah a lot of this stuff was less pronounced

00:56:51.820 i mean if you go and you look for it there's some pretty outrageous stuff in this series but

00:56:55.920 overall you know i can accept the the perspective that it was less pronounced but like you said

00:57:00.760 there are these little things uh snuck in there um that's why i um at one point during the the

00:57:07.540 series i call it donkey smuggling uh we don't necessarily have to get into that but um yeah

00:57:13.120 people don't understand how uh subversion actually works in the end that it starts out

00:57:19.360 uh very small and very subtle it attaches itself to things that people like and then eventually

00:57:27.720 it takes over things that people like entirely and people only really recognize it as subversion

00:57:34.260 once it's completely taken over they don't recognize the initial steps it's like um people

00:57:40.120 only recognize stage four of cancer not stage one it's it's excuse me it's kind of frustrating to

00:57:47.360 deal with sometimes well just just for the audience that would say you're reading way too

00:57:53.080 much into this because obviously we've talked about how it promotes these liberal values of

00:57:57.680 individualism a kind of anti-nationalism or anti and like a like a pacifist mentality

00:58:05.480 amongst some people what they would say with with woke or proto woke is they would say that

00:58:11.120 what you need to look for is kind of like the proto trans ideology the proto ultra gay rights

00:58:17.480 ideology that's where people would recognize kind of the social embryo of wokeness in these kind of

00:58:24.120 incredibly progressive social values is there an example from any of the series prior to the more

00:58:30.020 recent absolutely that you can give to to spell that out for people there's there's an episode in

00:58:34.840 tng where uh there's a race uh an androgynous race called the janai and commander reicher has

00:58:42.520 an intimate relationship with one of the members of the janai and the janai are ironically all

00:58:47.160 played by women and uh they're um basically they go through a series of scenes where commander

00:58:57.660 reicher uh miss he uses the wrong pronoun he uses the wrong pronoun to refer to like the main

00:59:05.640 character um god i even forget her name i'm sorry it's just so much material so he's having this

00:59:11.780 It's a 15-part series. We can forgive you for it.

00:59:14.800 Yeah. So he's just talking to this Janai woman.

00:59:18.020 Basically, the plot of the episode is there's a Janai space shuttle

00:59:21.480 that gets trapped in some kind of space anomaly.

00:59:24.100 And so they call the Federation in for help to rescue this small crew of Janai

00:59:28.340 who are trapped in this space anomaly. 0.60

00:59:30.620 Commander Riker starts working with this Janai person 0.56

00:59:34.340 to undergo the rescue mission,

00:59:36.860 and they're working in this close, tight-knit, intimate,

00:59:41.780 environment on this tiny shuttle and they kind of fall in love with each other and uh reicher

00:59:47.400 miss uh he misgenders uh the the janai characters uh pilot that who taught her i'm even i'm

00:59:55.680 misgendering her i guess um so there was a there was a pilot that taught this janai character how

01:00:02.100 to how to fly and and commander reicher says something to the effect of uh you know oh he um

01:00:08.080 he must've been a really good teacher. And she's like, she's like, he,

01:00:11.780 the Janai are a genderless species. We have no gender. And like, 1.00

01:00:15.020 so they have this whole conversation about it. And it's not like,

01:00:18.000 like a throwaway comment. It's like,

01:00:19.640 it's a specific scene designed to introduce to the audience, this concept.

01:00:24.920 And the whole episode is about that.

01:00:27.120 And eventually the character has these feelings of being female. 0.81

01:00:33.520 And that is taboo in their society.

01:00:36.540 uh having a gender identity in their society is taboo and so uh there's her her superiors i'm 1.00

01:00:45.100 just going to refer to her as her because it's easy her superiors find out about this and they

01:00:50.120 chastise her there's this tribunal commander reicher once again violates the prime directive

01:00:54.840 and goes and like intervenes in the trial and has his big speech about how what they're doing is

01:00:59.160 wrong and um they they take her away to a re-education camp and this episode aired at a

01:01:05.320 time when gay re-education Christian camps were real prominent in the media. So this was sort of

01:01:10.960 an attempt to get the audience to sympathize with the idea that it was wrong to re-educate gays. 0.95

01:01:19.240 It was an attempt to convey to the audience that these Christian re-education camps are doing 0.61

01:01:26.180 something wrong, and people can have whatever thoughts they want to have about that. I'm just 0.99

01:01:33.080 stating that that's what this episode was responding to and i mean and if you go and you

01:01:37.240 read through uh the the compendiums for each star trek uh franchise or ip very often in the episode

01:01:46.400 notes they will talk about current events that inspired them and what they were responding to

01:01:51.200 like uh the aforementioned episode wherein the um the maquis terrorist uh has has it out with um

01:01:58.940 uh captain cisco about the federation being borg like and and pursuing them everywhere that they go

01:02:05.020 the writer for that episode explicitly states that the oklahoma city bombing inspired him

01:02:10.300 so he was trying to make the maquis member out out there to be kind of like the oklahoma city bomber

01:02:16.020 and to some extent um he wasn't actually saying that uh the guy had a point that the maquis member

01:02:24.740 had a point that the Federation was Borg-like. He was saying, this guy is as deranged as these 0.90

01:02:30.960 domestic American terrorist groups. So going back to the Janai, eventually the character, 0.91

01:02:43.860 I think her name is Saren or something like that, and she gets taken away, re-educated.

01:02:50.500 commander Riker uh employs the help of uh uh Worf to go down to the surface of the planet and it's

01:02:58.100 kind of funny because like they're both like six foot four guys and they go around like beating up

01:03:03.300 these women uh these you know they're like these like five foot five you know they're they're

01:03:07.940 Jani and they're genderless but they are in fact women so you're watching like these huge dudes

01:03:12.100 just like manhandle these women and they go and they find uh you know Riker's girlfriend

01:03:17.640 and the ending of the episode is that she says no i'm actually happier now you need to leave me

01:03:22.840 alone like you know what i did was wrong and that's basically how the episode ends um and

01:03:29.240 there are some other examples like that uh there's an episode where uh data has a child or he invents

01:03:36.800 a child uh he constructs you know uh his own child and the child has to choose its gender and they go

01:03:44.460 through this whole scene where it chooses its gender and they talk about gender and they talk

01:03:49.140 about like what it means to be a man what it means to be a woman and the character you know um so

01:03:56.440 there are all of these precursors throughout the series it's just that people kind of want to

01:04:02.380 ignore them or they want to make excuses for them or write them under the you know just sweep them

01:04:06.340 under the rug but yeah so well i imagine the excuse for something like data would be well

01:04:12.720 it's all contextualized within something to do with data and androids it's not a biological

01:04:18.680 process it's a robotics process and a question of choice and decision so they would probably

01:04:23.960 argue that it's actually more wrapped up in the idea of personal agency rather than anything to

01:04:30.260 do with the gender conversation that we find going on today but i would argue and i'm sure

01:04:36.300 your your argument as well is that it is still introducing this idea to the audience of of being

01:04:44.800 able to choose gender the idea of choosing gender in the first place and i and i don't think that

01:04:50.620 people realize that that's how these ideas get their foot in the door they are the wedge that

01:04:56.400 lets the broader conversation happen because you don't just immediately introduce it's like

01:05:01.380 it's like boiling the frog you don't just immediately put everything onto the highest

01:05:05.780 heat or people will notice um it's that you it's that you slowly bring it to a boil and people

01:05:13.700 don't notice when the heat first turns on and then they don't notice until it's too late and

01:05:17.880 all of a sudden your child is being taken away from you by the state because you don't want him

01:05:22.640 to identify as her and um and on that i think to uh to address that sort of thing so obviously we

01:05:31.500 talk about these social values we talk about propaganda with a show like star trek that was

01:05:37.220 such a big part of the cultural zeitgeist in the 1960s and then when it returned in the 1980s as

01:05:43.160 well and you get to deep space nine and the films and wrath of khan etc um when we talk about

01:05:49.580 propaganda how much of an effect and this is just going to have to be shorthand what like you your

01:05:55.280 own observations how much of an effect do you think that these portrayals these ideas being

01:06:00.800 introduced through these kinds of shows have in the real world and similarly given that now media

01:06:07.640 is so much more diffuse through netflix and people don't go to the cinemas anymore there's not that

01:06:14.160 same culture where everybody's watching the same programs and getting the same messages all at the

01:06:19.880 same time and they have the water cooler moments where they go to their office and discuss it with

01:06:23.700 everybody else do you think the effect of this propaganda has been diminished in recent years

01:06:28.960 um well that's something i do talk about in the epilogue i talk about that a little bit at the

01:06:34.320 beginning of the series and i talk about that uh more at the end in the epilogue but i guess

01:06:39.140 the way i would look at it is um there is no more shared culture as there was during radio

01:06:47.140 and then early television and then network television uh you know there there are fewer

01:06:52.160 water cooler moments um but in terms of that um i i guess my my the way i look at it is

01:07:02.680 even if a counterforce were to come about to try to uh dissolve these values reorient

01:07:12.440 society and whatnot i think just at this point it would be difficult to do that just because

01:07:17.360 media is so diffused uh you know there's there's amazon prime there's there's netflix there's

01:07:23.200 disney streaming there's there's hulu uh you know there's still there's still network television to

01:07:28.140 some extent uh there are streaming there are you know individual websites there's just tons of

01:07:33.280 youtube channels like just tons and tons of streamers um at this point it's hard it's harder

01:07:40.540 it would be much harder to disseminate a a political metapolitical counterforce

01:07:45.880 just because it's easier now than ever for everybody to exist in their own little echo

01:07:51.200 chambers i mean you can even have you know if if you really want to you can go to truth social you

01:07:55.760 can go to blue sky you can you know even even on x i mean if you really dig into it you can

01:08:00.940 see how everybody is sort of cordoned off into their own echo chambers you know with these

01:08:05.020 algorithms where do you like this content do you like that content and it will sort of tailor

01:08:09.400 things for you um people cordon themselves off into these echo chambers and this is sort of

01:08:15.160 one reason why a lot of people in our spheres can think that we're on a cusp of some paradigm shift

01:08:22.320 or racial revolution or whatnot because a lot of people are caught up in these echo chambers they

01:08:27.680 will see some anonymous account that has you know 50 000 likes on a comment that says something that

01:08:34.020 they like and they will think that that is a broader reflection of society when it probably

01:08:38.740 might when it probably isn't and there's also a good chance that that account is some indian or

01:08:43.740 pakistani person you know just sort of engaging in like farming and content farming because they'll

01:08:49.460 get paid to do it uh and uh you know they might have multiple accounts and they might have another

01:08:54.580 account that does something completely different metapolitically that has nothing to do uh with

01:08:59.740 you know pro-western nativist accounts or ideas or whatnot uh but in general yeah i i think that

01:09:06.980 the media landscape is just completely different now I mean I didn't even talk about AI in that

01:09:11.440 regard it's just you know you can create all this this uh content now um people's attention

01:09:17.260 spans are much shorter uh you know I have a little segment where Matt Damon and uh Ben Affleck are

01:09:23.180 talking about how they have to completely redo how they do action films because people are watching

01:09:28.520 things on their phones while they're consuming uh you know while they're watching a film or they'll

01:09:33.100 be doing a whole bunch of other things so you have to like reiterate the plot three or four

01:09:36.760 times these are things that you know admittedly to speak into the defense of uh old school fans

01:09:44.000 of old media like star trek or something else in the 80s or 90s when they say the content back then

01:09:49.660 was better they're right it was it was written better uh it was written for an audience that

01:09:54.640 was much more uh educated uh much more culturally intact um but uh yeah all that said yeah i mean

01:10:03.800 the media landscape today is just a complete disaster something else I wanted to go back to

01:10:08.160 a little bit some of this stuff uh like to go back to what you were saying to defend people

01:10:15.260 who said that uh data having a child that's not really like a transgender uh you know that's not

01:10:21.920 really a transgender activist uh goal uh that wasn't something seated there for that specific

01:10:26.920 purpose perhaps that is the case but nevertheless this this extreme focus on individualism

01:10:32.780 kind of invariably leads to some bizarre things like the whole hyper individualist you get to

01:10:39.540 choose everything about your identity you get to choose everything that leads to some wacky stuff

01:10:46.120 uh even if people don't intend it to lead to some wacky stuff it's just that some people who are

01:10:51.780 very into individualism don't personally like that stuff and they kind of want to have their

01:10:57.300 cake and eat it too they want hyper individualism but they don't like where some of the hyper

01:11:01.000 individualism leads. It's like, uh, uh, you know, some people don't want anything to be regulated

01:11:06.700 because it sort of impedes certain things that they like, like another case in point might be

01:11:10.440 certain elements of the, of the gaming community, community in quotes. Um, they don't like feminists 1.00

01:11:16.920 and other people taking the big boobs and the attractive women out of their games and all of 1.00

01:11:21.900 that. Uh, you know, but at the same time, they don't really want to recognize that, um, men 0.78

01:11:30.120 playing as female avatars all the time and having all this this this cooming material if you will

01:11:35.920 uh in their games might be having sort of an adverse effect on society as a whole it might be 0.98

01:11:42.140 uh contributing to more to the incel phenomenon it might be you know alienating men more and more

01:11:49.620 from women it might be making people less sociable i have i have heard it theorized that um

01:11:55.720 um perhaps men playing as you know sexy badass woman uh there's no data to this but i have heard

01:12:03.620 it theorized that that kind maybe contributes to some men experiencing autogynophilia as well

01:12:10.660 yeah um i've heard that a lot too and i actually did come across a couple studies a while ago i

01:12:16.240 was going to cite them in one of the articles i wrote recently and i couldn't find them again

01:12:20.140 um i i even if that doesn't like happen to the extreme it i think it definitely does happen you

01:12:27.940 definitely get some people who become very very weird because you i mean basically in certain

01:12:33.060 cases uh especially when you get into like the video game modding community for something like

01:12:37.960 skyrim or fallout you get a lot of men who are basically playing dress up you you you get all

01:12:43.840 these weird mods with weird clothes and outfits and you can see entire communities of young men

01:12:49.620 who have these female avatars they spend hours creating different body types different body mods

01:12:54.840 different proportions they you know they have all these modders making all these sexy outfits for 0.97

01:12:59.540 them it really is a kind of deranged sort of transvestite sort of thing going on and people 0.91

01:13:06.600 don't want to hear that but it really is and i encourage anybody who thinks i'm you know being 0.84

01:13:11.840 getting a little carried away go to the fallout nexus go to the skyrim nexus go search for these

01:13:18.020 mods and and eventually you will find these communities and um you know even in in mmos now

01:13:24.040 i think something like a third of males who play mmos play as females uh so it's this large

01:13:29.840 significant phenomenon and again even if it doesn't always end with a man having you know

01:13:36.120 becoming transgender or something it probably has some kind of measurable measurable effect on how

01:13:42.060 they view themselves how they view women how they interact with women how they interact with everybody

01:13:46.600 else um you know i mean porn definitely has uh that effect i mean so you know it's it's not even

01:13:54.920 that i'm saying something like this definitively does this this and that i'm saying that people

01:13:59.440 aren't even really willing to consider i like okay maybe a better example is uh because it's

01:14:05.600 more accessible to people um smoking is generally bad for society but some people can smoke a little

01:14:12.860 bit here and there and it doesn't do anything for them you know they don't get lung cancer

01:14:16.880 they only smoke a cigarette every once in a while no big deal no harm done but you have like this

01:14:22.960 you know you get into these big societal problems when half of society is is smoking you know the

01:14:29.640 the cost of medical care goes up the health of society goes down and people will argue well

01:14:35.520 that's everybody's individual choice but meanwhile like you're dragging down the entirety of society

01:14:40.600 because people aren't making good decisions and then you have to consider that there are these

01:14:46.240 entire apparatuses that are encouraging people to make bad decisions and people will argue

01:14:51.880 that those individuals who are arguing those individuals who are working toward everybody

01:14:56.380 else to make bad decisions because it profit it's profitable for them everybody else will argue well

01:15:01.520 it's their right as an individual to do that because that's good for them it's just it just

01:15:05.180 doesn't make any sense uh people don't realize how anti-social extreme individualism can can

01:15:12.860 actually become like because then you start justifying all this bad behavior and you say

01:15:17.020 that you know it's the responsibility of parents to ward off you know an entire societal system

01:15:24.240 that is constantly encouraging their kids to engage in behaviors that are not going to

01:15:29.820 encourage their positive development like you know you see big tech guys increasingly taking

01:15:36.300 their children away from screen time you know they'll they'll put their children into into

01:15:39.960 summer camps uh things like that they won't let their children uh you know grow up uh using ipads

01:15:46.640 and things like that too much because there's evidence now that that's detrimental to their

01:15:49.720 health meanwhile they'll still encourage everybody else in society to buy as many ipads and put their 0.67

01:15:55.560 children on screen time. And you have all these people creating apps for children and whatnot.

01:16:00.300 And, you know, people just don't have a serious conversation. I mean, this is what I'm saying

01:16:03.680 about America. America doesn't really have a coherent idea of what a society is anymore or

01:16:09.260 what a nation is. There's, there's no more real sense of collective responsibility toward each

01:16:14.260 other. There's no more real noblesse oblige. A lot of that's just gone. And it's just this

01:16:20.460 cacophony of weird consumeristic ideas and and and and uh hedonistic whims and and this idea of

01:16:28.840 like you know well i can enjoy x y and z even though it's generally bad for people therefore

01:16:33.360 i should be allowed to enjoy even if it harms everybody else um yeah the way the way that i

01:16:39.600 conceptualize it is that modern society has all of these buy-ins that force you in a way to dirty

01:16:47.160 yourself you have done something either you are currently doing it or you're doing it in the past

01:16:52.080 and so you've internalized it as an expression of yourself and your own identity and your sense of

01:16:57.680 freedom and ability to be yourself and so when it comes to things like pornography well you can't

01:17:04.360 ban pornography because i'm free and i can handle it and i can watch it and be just fine and so you

01:17:11.700 would be you'd be destroying my ability to be free by by doing that similarly even with mass

01:17:17.900 migration the argument could become well you can't start deporting people you can't start

01:17:22.520 restricting migration because some of my best friends are foreigners my sister has married

01:17:28.080 a foreigner my niece nephew my grandchildren are mixed race with foreigners and therefore if you 0.77

01:17:35.760 were to do that even if you could argue that societal health would increase generally you're

01:17:41.160 taking away my ability and my family's ability to be free whereas people identify themselves with it

01:17:48.700 in that way but what you're really doing is you're defending the interests of political and corporate

01:17:54.440 organizations and that's the buy-in and when we talk about social media when we talk about media

01:18:00.240 mass media and the social engineering of it people would like to argue at the same time in that same

01:18:07.380 way that, well, I can enjoy this, and I wouldn't necessarily say that this is an argument for

01:18:14.500 censorship or anything. I would say this is an argument for being aware that this is how this

01:18:20.620 works. You know, I can consume this video game and it won't have an effect on me. I can consume this

01:18:26.180 film or this television show and it won't have an effect on me. And at the same time, they will then

01:18:31.020 complain about propaganda being put into their favorite TV shows, into their favorite video

01:18:36.100 games when the fact is these people behind this they've they they get social and like social

01:18:43.220 psychologists to help them with this they get evolutionary psychologists to help them with this

01:18:48.540 i've been reading a book recently that was talking about how in the 1950s frankfurt school inspired

01:18:55.120 psychoanalysts were being brought into actors test audiences for early test screenings on films that

01:19:01.340 were being released by hollywood in the 1950s they wouldn't do all of these things and they

01:19:06.800 wouldn't put all of that propaganda in if it didn't have an effect in the first place

01:19:12.440 to make the argument against it is to contradict your own argument for it in that sense because

01:19:18.580 it's not your freedom you're defending it's the freedom of large corporations to take advantage

01:19:23.440 of you yeah i yeah i mean i i agree with all that i i just also think that wrapped up in that is is

01:19:29.760 just uh just society's propensity toward individualism at this point um i mean that's

01:19:35.640 why in the article i wrote the tyranny of the individual i talk about how i bring up that

01:19:40.180 recent case uh in the uk uh with that uh black schizophrenic man who was early you know he was

01:19:47.020 identified as being potentially a threat to public safety but the authorities said that they were

01:19:52.360 forget the exact quote but it was something along the lines of we didn't you know hold him against

01:19:57.640 his will because we were fearful of there being too many black men in in uh in prison or uh you

01:20:04.800 know being held and what resulted from that decision was that three people were dead three

01:20:10.000 people eventually got stabbed and so um i would argue that that is kind of a form of hyper

01:20:16.480 individualism insofar that they were more concerned about protecting that individual's rights

01:20:21.620 than they were about public safety people can respond to that and say that well really what

01:20:27.000 they were worried about is you know race communism or whatever you know that it was more of a racial

01:20:31.200 thing and there's definitely a racial element to it but you could still argue that it's individualism

01:20:35.960 because they were worried about the perception of black people as a whole as individuals and

01:20:39.780 they feared that if too many black people were held in prison or held against their will

01:20:43.200 for whatever reason then society as a whole would maybe cease to view them as individuals proper

01:20:49.360 uh so for me it just always comes back down to this this absolute obsession with everybody being

01:20:55.140 an individual and protecting their individual rights over even at the expense of the collective

01:20:59.980 yeah i think there's a lot to think about with all of this and we're coming up to time now

01:21:06.380 so i'll lead off um with one final question uh before we say goodbye and that's um obviously

01:21:13.460 you've done you've you've begun writing some articles for your sub stack the iverson dilemma

01:21:17.240 you've produced the star trek series which i believe correct me if i'm wrong parts of it are

01:21:22.520 on parts or all of it are on youtube now as well is that right uh there there are four episodes of

01:21:29.060 it uh the first four episodes of it are on youtube i can't get the whole thing up there because

01:21:32.820 getting material like that on youtube is just very very difficult uh because everything's flagged as

01:21:37.540 copyright violation um so yeah so you can find it on on twitter sub stack uh odyssey and rumble

01:21:46.400 yeah so what are your plans for the future have you earmarked any other shows or

01:21:52.440 games or films uh to cover or have you uh not got anything ahead just yet

01:21:58.300 uh right now i am working on a long form article slash video i mean maybe i could call it a

01:22:07.320 documentary i'm not sure how long it'll be but it's about uh charles crocker and the central

01:22:11.260 Pacific Railroad. For people not familiar with that, Charles Crocker was one of the leaders

01:22:18.880 of the Central Pacific Railroad, which was one of two railroad companies that built the

01:22:23.620 Transcontinental Railroad in America during the 1870s. And he brought in, he was responsible for

01:22:34.880 the Western portion, you know, in the Sierras, and he brought in a bunch of Chinese labor that

01:22:40.160 undercut a lot of local, local wages. And there's a whole bunch of controversy, uh, surrounding all

01:22:45.400 of that. Uh, I go through, I'm going through a thousand page Senate hearing, um, in 1877 that

01:22:53.260 interviews him and a bunch of other people. So there were three senators and three representatives

01:22:57.480 that basically went out to California and the Western coast and interviewed like hundreds of

01:23:01.320 people about the effects of Chinese immigration into the U S and, um, I'm talking about all of

01:23:08.360 that and going through all that because there are just all kinds of parallels to all the same

01:23:13.620 arguments that we hear today from the Reagan era onward. So again, it just sort of shows

01:23:18.160 that all of these arguments go back a long way and that the problems of immigration have been in

01:23:24.720 the US, you know, arguably almost since its founding. So that's what I'm working on currently.

01:23:31.100 Well, that's something to really look forward to. And people can find you on Substack,

01:23:36.360 obviously at the iverson dilemma where else would you direct people to find your content

01:23:40.480 uh so yeah substack twitter uh telegram um you know there's the youtube channel i don't know

01:23:50.360 how long that'll last but yeah there's the youtube channel impressed that it came back in the first

01:23:54.220 place to be honest yeah uh i think that was honestly i think it was just some kind of

01:23:59.120 automated fluke i don't think an actual person did that and i think uh everything that has gone

01:24:04.760 on with the channel now has been completely automated i think that's probably one of the

01:24:08.160 good things about everything being automated now like uh you can kind of slip through the cracks

01:24:13.000 a lot of things potentially uh but yeah you can find me on there i don't think there's any anywhere

01:24:18.840 else uh at the moment so yeah odyssey rumble twitter substack youtube uh telegram yeah well

01:24:27.680 if you've enjoyed this conversation make sure to find willem iverson on all of those platforms and

01:24:33.520 support him watch his videos uh they are some of the best media analysis out there and thank you

01:24:40.820 very much for joining us thank you for joining me for this discussion willem it's been an absolute

01:24:45.380 pleasure thanks for having me on i appreciate it all right take care everyone if you would like to

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - April 15, 2026

Is America Incapable of Fixing Itself？｜ Interview with Wilhem Ivorsson

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - April 15, 2026

Is America Incapable of Fixing Itself？ ｜ Interview with Wilhem Ivorsson

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Is America Incapable of Fixing Itself？｜ Interview with Wilhem Ivorsson