The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - Is Woke a Eugenic Event？

00:00:00.000 Hi, folks. I have the pleasure of being joined by Dr. Ed Dutton to have a conversation about his new book, Woke Eugenics,

00:00:07.040 and any other topics that come up. I'm sure the conversation will go to interesting places.

00:00:11.440 Ed, how are you doing?

00:00:12.360 Yeah, I'm doing okay. It was good, that conference we went to.

00:00:15.320 It was.

00:00:16.100 Yeah, so for anyone who doesn't know, go and watch my talk on metaphor and anti-metaphor that has been uploaded.

00:00:21.000 I gave that at the Skildings Conference this year.

00:00:24.420 So you got your talk?

00:00:26.980 Yes.

00:00:27.520 I didn't get my talk.

00:00:28.260 That's because we recorded them.

00:00:29.420 Oh, you recorded them?

00:00:30.560 Yes.

00:00:30.920 Oh, I see.

00:00:31.540 Okay.

00:00:32.780 Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough.

00:00:35.400 Something about power being he who decides the exception, right?

00:00:39.160 Got it.

00:00:39.480 So I made sure that mine was up first.

00:00:42.540 But no, it was a really good conference, wasn't it?

00:00:44.740 What was so fascinating about it was that there were so many young people, younger than me, younger than you,

00:00:52.360 and they weren't like weirdos.

00:00:54.540 They were just normal people in their 30s and 20s who had had enough and were very reasonable about the fact that they'd had enough.

00:01:04.820 And normally when you get girls at a conference like this, I think I counted there were maybe 13 women.

00:01:09.120 Yeah.

00:01:10.000 I don't know how many men, probably 100.

00:01:11.480 But you'd expect them to be really outliers in the world of women, really, really peculiar.

00:01:16.240 But no, they were a lot of perfectly normal women that had just had enough, seen through the system and wanted to, in their own small way, contribute to do something about it and meet like-minded people.

00:01:26.800 So it was very, very inspiring, really, I thought.

00:01:30.240 Yeah.

00:01:30.520 I mean, I've been going to this conference every year since it was founded.

00:01:33.580 The number of women going to it is definitely growing.

00:01:36.760 This is definitely the largest number of women this year and, you know, increasing in every year.

00:01:41.640 But what I was most pleased with is the young men weren't acting weird around the women, which is always something that you maybe think,

00:01:48.220 oh, maybe nerdy young men might act a bit strangely around young women.

00:01:51.900 But no, they were all perfectly normal, unlike a left-wing conference where I hear that they need all sorts of fancy rules to make sure that the conduct is governed correctly.

00:02:01.380 Our young gentlemen acted sensibly.

00:02:04.300 They did.

00:02:04.960 They acted very, very sensibly.

00:02:07.460 Well, no one got too drunk.

00:02:09.120 Well, maybe a bit too drunk.

00:02:10.900 And it didn't go very well.

00:02:13.200 I was very surprised by it because I had not been to the Whittam before.

00:02:19.100 And when I had been to other sort of, whatever you want to call it, based conferences of that kind, it was more male.

00:02:28.060 And it was, you know, it just seemed to go very, very well.

00:02:31.660 It was building up, building up of a separate, of the beginnings, perhaps, of a kind of neo-Byzantium, where they start to find each other,

00:02:39.820 where people that are conservative and right-wing and genetically normal assortively mate.

00:02:45.080 Although, unfortunately, I think there needs to be far more women for that to happen successfully.

00:02:50.280 Well, I think that the trajectory is going in the right direction.

00:02:54.040 Because I remember hearing somewhere on the internet sometime that the way that new movements form is that the men go and actually form the core of the movement.

00:03:04.840 And then when the movement is actually gaining some traction, is actually going somewhere, you start noticing a larger and larger cohort of women amongst them until it's roughly parity.

00:03:15.420 That's very interesting. So, because the women are attracted to the up-and-coming power.

00:03:20.620 Also, I think it has to be made, feel like it's made, not just safe, but that it is going somewhere, that there are some...

00:03:27.660 Well, the going somewhere would be consistent with the notion of perhaps power or prestige.

00:03:32.820 Yeah.

00:03:32.960 So, if it's just about, I don't know, like a working-class movement of young blokes or whatever, then it doesn't seem like it's going somewhere.

00:03:41.200 But once it gets momentum, then that implies that these people in the future will have status.

00:03:46.800 And it will benefit you to be sufficiently prescient to notice that at an early stage, such that when it really has gone somewhere, you will be high up in the movement and able to associate with the highest status chaps within that movement.

00:04:04.780 You'd have to have that prescience, that knowledge.

00:04:07.040 And so, if the women were quite intelligent, they would have that forethought, they would have that ability to predict the future correctly, and they'd have the social skill to smell the air, as it were, and realise.

00:04:19.160 It would be a riskier strategy, though, a riskier strategy than just being woke, but for a bigger payoff.

00:04:26.060 But it would also be a future-oriented strategy rather than a present-oriented strategy.

00:04:30.800 That's very interesting.

00:04:31.540 Christianity was a bit like that, I think, perhaps.

00:04:33.420 It started off with men, and then very quickly, once it got some traction, it was very quickly, we've got some, Rodney Stark looked at this in his book on Christianity, very quickly it was about two-thirds women.

00:04:43.420 And even the Reformation was a bit like that.

00:04:46.420 You know, it's interesting.

00:04:47.420 David Starkey said something very similar about the Patriot rallies that Tommy Robinson has been hosting in London.

00:04:53.420 The first one was definitely very disproportionately male.

00:04:57.420 The second one, though, was far more female.

00:05:01.420 Lots and lots of women were at these.

00:05:04.420 So they had much more of a sort of festival and family-friendly atmosphere.

00:05:08.420 And David Starkey had noticed this and said, look, there's a kind of habit in the Anglo-Saxons where the men will go off to the football and they will do stupid things and they will fight and they will cause trouble.

00:05:20.420 But it's the women who are the real custodians of culture and civilization, society itself.

00:05:26.420 And when they're out on the streets, you know that you're dealing with something serious.

00:05:31.420 Because otherwise they would just stay at home because why would they bother?

00:05:34.420 So you can have like a raggedy protest movement on the street like the EDL and that's not going to go anywhere.

00:05:41.420 When you have, and there were large numbers of women at this latest pro-Patriot rally.

00:05:45.420 It's just on the beginning of June.

00:05:47.420 27th of June.

00:05:49.420 I was on the beginning of June.

00:05:51.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:52.420 But he had a second one at 27th, Trafalgar.

00:05:55.420 And there were lots of women there.

00:05:57.420 Because the first one had established that this was not an EDL-style street protest movement.

00:06:02.420 This was a patriotic movement that was being started in the country.

00:06:05.420 And so on the second one, Michelle Dubry from GB News went down.

00:06:09.420 She was like, no, this feels great. What's the problem?

00:06:11.420 It's a great atmosphere.

00:06:12.420 And so there were lots and lots of women there as well.

00:06:14.420 And so, and David Starkey was like, look, that's when you know this is serious.

00:06:17.420 David Starkey always likes to, I talked to him yesterday, and he always likes to reduce things down,

00:06:22.420 well, to see things in terms of the history of the Anglo-Saxon and whatever.

00:06:26.420 What I was trying to explain to him is, no, it's more parsimonious to see things in the history of humanity.

00:06:31.420 That's a broader argument.

00:06:33.420 The nature of humans predicts it.

00:06:35.420 And the nature of, it's not just some unique thing about the English.

00:06:38.420 The nature of humans predicts that men are risk takers.

00:06:43.420 They're more aggressive.

00:06:45.420 They're more violent.

00:06:46.420 They're more likely to go out onto the streets and protest.

00:06:48.420 They're more likely to be riot.

00:06:50.420 They're more likely to do all this sort of thing.

00:06:52.420 And that women are far more risk averse and will only take that risk to, as it were, be different, to stand out, to be part of the countercultural movement.

00:07:03.420 If the rewards are very substantial or if the risk otherwise seems worth it.

00:07:08.420 And so it's telling you, once women are involved, that in that sense, as you were saying earlier, it really is going somewhere.

00:07:15.420 And they understand that and they understand that there is something they want to protect or there is something they want to build.

00:07:21.420 And therefore, it's worth taking the risk for people, women, who are highly risk averse.

00:07:28.420 For a woman to be outed as far right or whatever or to be sent to prison for retweeting something as that Connolly lady, Lucy Connolly, is that her name, was the other day, is much more terrible for her than for a man.

00:07:44.420 It's because they are more anxious and so on.

00:07:46.420 So I think that's really important that women are involved and you know it's moving.

00:07:49.420 I think Starkey might say, well, that may well be true for all of humanity, but it manifests in different ways for different cultures.

00:07:55.420 And I'm just commenting on the way it manifests in our culture.

00:07:58.420 That's probably what he would say.

00:08:00.420 Perhaps.

00:08:01.420 But it seems to me that, as we were discussing earlier, it's also manifesting in that way in Germany.

00:08:05.420 Yeah.

00:08:06.420 So with the AFD, it's not just young German yobbos that are involved as it perhaps was 10 years ago or whatever.

00:08:16.420 It's now young girls that have had enough.

00:08:20.420 And I think the only way I can...

00:08:22.420 Same in France, actually.

00:08:23.420 Same in France.

00:08:24.420 Yes.

00:08:25.420 Lots of young French women have been posting on social media about viral videos about how it's just not safe to go out at night as a French woman.

00:08:33.420 Things like that.

00:08:34.420 It's all the same problem that we're all facing.

00:08:37.420 And if you are a woman and you get yourself involved in a mainly male movement, then of course you are the center of attention much more easily.

00:08:44.420 You can have the pick of the crop of the men.

00:08:47.420 So that makes much more sense.

00:08:49.420 Then because you have got involved, you are the pioneers, as it were, among women, then more of them will get involved and more of them will get involved.

00:08:56.420 But the important thing, as you say, is that it is seen as the future as opposed to the past.

00:09:02.420 And there are studies that indicate that a guy called Sentula, a colleague Italian guy, that when about 20% of a group adopt an up-and-coming new way of thinking that has this momentum, then it is seen as the new up-and-coming thing.

00:09:22.420 And there is a tipping point, about 20%, something like that.

00:09:26.420 And then off we go.

00:09:27.420 Yeah.

00:09:28.420 And you have this sort of snowball effect at that point where it starts to build up.

00:09:33.420 So it would be interesting if we see that with something like the Skyldings.

00:09:37.420 And from what you're telling me, that may well be the case.

00:09:40.420 Because, I mean, it was so extraordinary meeting these young girls there.

00:09:44.420 And they also, you know, girls, unlike boys, are involved to make these very close friendships.

00:09:53.420 With boys, we're involved to make armies, essentially, and to be friends with people because it is politically convenient to a certain extent.

00:10:01.420 That's why very few.

00:10:02.420 I mean, are you still friends with anybody you're at school with?

00:10:05.420 Yeah.

00:10:06.420 Are you?

00:10:07.420 Yeah.

00:10:08.420 Most men are not, by your age.

00:10:09.420 I don't see them that often.

00:10:10.420 No, you don't.

00:10:11.420 But I didn't mean like friends on Facebook.

00:10:13.420 I mean, people that you regularly would see.

00:10:15.420 Yeah.

00:10:16.420 Well, I don't have time to see anyone, really.

00:10:18.420 Okay.

00:10:19.420 Well, perhaps you're not a good example.

00:10:20.420 But in general, if you go to the pub with somebody by the time you're in your 40s or whatever,

00:10:24.420 it's going to be a chap that lives around you where you live or you're working with or whatever.

00:10:28.420 Whereas women will tend to create these very, very strong social bonds, often at a very young age, such as in sixth form or at university.

00:10:35.420 And then they will maintain those friendships for kind of the rest of their life.

00:10:38.420 So a lot of girls that I was at university with, still their best friends are the girls that they were at university with,

00:10:43.420 which is not the case normally among chaps.

00:10:46.420 And so this allows them these slightly, perhaps they're slightly unusual, I don't know, these girls to find other women like them

00:10:54.420 and to create very close friendships, a very bonded friendship, which is very important to them.

00:10:59.420 I noticed that when I was there.

00:11:01.420 There were these female, among the females that were there that developed these close, these relationships.

00:11:08.420 You know, I find interesting is there's a, I think there's a sort of textural difference in the relationships that men and women have.

00:11:15.420 Because women seem to feel that if the relationship hasn't been nurtured on a regular basis, then the relationship is broken down.

00:11:25.420 But I find that most men seem to treat their relationships as kind of frozen in ice when they're not interacting with one another.

00:11:31.420 Yeah.

00:11:32.420 So, for example, I won't, I actually a couple of months ago, a couple of weeks ago, saw an old friend of mine who, just because life paths diverge.

00:11:41.420 He, he's working in Canada for whatever reason, for half the year these days, and I'm busy as well.

00:11:46.420 So, we just haven't had the time to see each other.

00:11:49.420 So, but we took the opportunity to, okay, no, look, we're going to nail down a date.

00:11:52.420 We're going to have a barbecue, have some beers, it'll be great.

00:11:54.420 And it was exactly as if I had, you know, this sort of five, ten years, whatever it was, had not passed.

00:12:02.420 He was exactly the same man, and I was, you know, the relationship was exactly the same.

00:12:07.420 And so we just sat down and started talking as if nothing had changed.

00:12:09.420 Whereas I noticed that with women, if there's a great gulf of time between their interactions, it's a lot more difficult for them to knit that back together.

00:12:17.420 Yes, I've noticed exactly the same thing. I had a very similar experience, actually, when I was in Helsinki a few weeks ago with your former secretary.

00:12:27.420 Oh, yeah.

00:12:28.420 And we were doing this documentary about Finland and so forth and traveling around.

00:12:32.420 And I met up with a chap, a Russian friend of mine, who's an academic who lives in the south of Finland, and my former PhD supervisor, who happens also to live in Helsinki.

00:12:41.420 And I hadn't seen him since 2005, or even spoken to him since 2005, or even really corresponded with him.

00:12:49.420 But yet, we sat down and had dinner and it was like nothing had changed.

00:12:53.420 It was just, it was, we got on in the same way we did in 2005, and we immediately sort of clicked like we did before, and we just had a right laugh.

00:13:01.420 And then Rome, this friend of mine who's Russian, same thing. I hadn't seen him for over a year.

00:13:06.420 Whereas I noticed that with women, one of the things that seems to happen is that if the woman gets a boyfriend, then she will dedicate time to that boyfriend, and this will result in her losing a friend.

00:13:17.420 And it's permanent. So she'll have her, because they have, they can only have a small number of friends, which they have, which they share secrets with, and they are very, very close to.

00:13:27.420 Because the purpose of these friends is to basically be allo parents. They're evolved to be in a harem, essentially. I hope this is not too basic.

00:13:34.420 But if you look at the book Warriors and Warriors by Joan Benenson, and she's a woman, then she looks at this, that they are evolved to be in a harem, and then the dominant male will cast off the older females in favor of the new nubile young girl.

00:13:55.420 And so then they, the women create cliques within the harem of about four women, something like that, three, where they will allo parent each other's children.

00:14:03.420 So obviously they're trusting them with the most precious thing possible. So they have to be able to trust them.

00:14:08.420 So therefore they have these friendships where they share vulnerabilities, they share personal information, they're very strongly bond, all this sort of thing.

00:14:16.420 And so they can only have a limited number of friendships. And that's why if they get a boyfriend, they will lose a friend.

00:14:21.420 And that friend will feel really offended and hurt. Almost betrayed.

00:14:26.420 Betrayed almost. Yeah, like not enough energy is being invested in me, but yet she's got this boyfriend. And then that's it, they will just go and find another friend.

00:14:33.420 Yeah, no, I've noticed that. There's got to be a continual sort of renewal of the relationship with women.

00:14:38.420 But men's relationships just get frozen until the next interaction, where they kind of just de-thaw instantly, and then things carry on.

00:14:46.420 And I suppose that's useful from an evolutionary perspective, in so much as in that reductionist sort of Savannah model, the men have to be able to cooperate in an army or its death.

00:14:59.420 So there has to be, there cannot be these tensions. The men who felt these tensions when they hadn't seen a chap for a long time would just be selected out.

00:15:08.420 Or the groups that were like that would be selected out. There has to be the ability to, it's like with fights, the way that if two chaps get into a fight at school, and they have a physical fight, or whatever, and then it's over, and it's over.

00:15:21.420 And a line is drawn under, and you move on. Whereas women don't do that.

00:15:26.420 I just want to say, not all cultures are like that. Have you noticed that there are some new cultures among us that nurse grievances in a very sort of feminine way with that?

00:15:38.420 Because what you're describing there is a very sort of masculine view of interactions.

00:15:43.420 Okay, the fight will settle the score. But there's definitely the kind of inner city urban culture where most of them, I imagine, raised by single mothers, nurse grievances.

00:15:57.420 And then, you know, random stabbing might happen a few weeks later, or something like that.

00:16:03.420 Why do you think they nurse those grievances in a way that is not true of the culture that I'm...

00:16:08.420 Well, I mean, I don't know. But I would suggest that perhaps the presence of fathers in households might have something to do with it.

00:16:16.420 One example is given to one group, and the other group is lacking that example, maybe.

00:16:22.420 So it's female influence?

00:16:24.420 Quite possibly.

00:16:25.420 I suppose another possibility could be that there are certain groups within society that are simply less adapted to be part of extremely strong bonded groups.

00:16:34.420 Possibly.

00:16:35.420 And those people would also be relatively high in negative feelings, in neuroticism, things like that.

00:16:42.420 And so this includes things like anger, resentment, jealousy, as well as anxiety, and things like that.

00:16:47.420 And so those people, if you are a jealous, resentful person, then you will nurse a grievance.

00:16:58.420 You will not be able to forgive.

00:17:00.420 Possibly.

00:17:01.420 You will be slighted.

00:17:02.420 Perhaps you will be quite narcissistic.

00:17:03.420 Yeah.

00:17:04.420 And you will feel that you, no, no, I can't accept this.

00:17:07.420 You know, I can't accept this lack of due deference to me.

00:17:12.420 And so then you will nurse it, and eventually you will violently deal with it.

00:17:17.420 And you can see that there are those differences.

00:17:21.420 Even if we compare probably different parts of Europe, you might see differences in the degree to which you have things like vendettas.

00:17:29.420 Yeah.

00:17:30.420 But again, I would suggest that, I mean, I don't know to what extent.

00:17:34.420 I'm sure there's a certain degree of biology and culture on either side that are influencing these factors.

00:17:42.420 Well, I'm just thinking, it's an interesting question though, isn't it?

00:17:46.420 Because I do think that the way that a culture manifests is important regardless of biological factors,

00:17:52.420 although I'm not saying there are no biological factors involved.

00:17:55.420 To have an honor-based culture that is dominated by men, or an honor-based culture that's dominated by women,

00:18:03.420 I'm convinced that these do have different excesses when they manifest.

00:18:10.420 And so there are the sort of noble sort of culture that you're speaking of,

00:18:15.420 where the fight determines the outcome and then it's let go.

00:18:18.420 But there are definitely other cultures, and like you say, not just from the new urban youth,

00:18:24.420 Southern Europeans have this sort of thing.

00:18:27.420 But they have very influential women in those cultures.

00:18:31.420 They have matriarchs ruling a whole brood of people.

00:18:34.420 And so maybe that's something to do with it as well.

00:18:38.420 I don't have a square thesis on this, you know.

00:18:41.420 It's speculation.

00:18:43.420 Yes, it is.

00:18:44.420 But then speculation back and forth can lead to the development of the thesis, which can be good.

00:18:50.420 But I suppose it then raises the question of we now have primary schools and even secondary schools,

00:18:58.420 which compared to when we were kids 30 years ago, are completely dominated by women.

00:19:04.420 And thus would be completely dominated by a culture that says you don't fight.

00:19:10.420 Physical violence is out.

00:19:13.420 Even bullying, you know, we have a strict no bullying policy.

00:19:16.420 I assume at your kids' school there's a strict no bully.

00:19:18.420 I don't even know what that means.

00:19:19.420 Oh, yes.

00:19:20.420 There's a strict no bullying policy.

00:19:22.420 You know, just as a quick thing on that, there isn't a strict no bullying policy.

00:19:25.420 What there is is a strict no beating up the bully policy.

00:19:28.420 So you get people who are bullies, and the administration, as you say, done by women,

00:19:34.420 has a habit of trying to resolve the problem without actually confronting the bully.

00:19:41.420 And so the bully continues bullying because he is...

00:19:44.420 I guess they're trying to use soft power on the bully to stop him from doing it.

00:19:48.420 But there's no hard line drawn.

00:19:50.420 And so, for example, my son got into trouble for pushing a bully over.

00:19:56.420 And I had to go into the school, and the woman who was talking to me about it said,

00:20:02.420 well, there's a problem.

00:20:03.420 Daniel's pushed this bully over.

00:20:05.420 Did you say bully?

00:20:06.420 Well, he didn't say...

00:20:07.420 She didn't say bully.

00:20:08.420 But the reason that my son...

00:20:10.420 Quite a long-standing thing in this school.

00:20:14.420 This particular kid has been just a pain in the rear for everyone.

00:20:18.420 And so, you know, your son's pushed this other kid over.

00:20:21.420 And I asked my son, why did he do it?

00:20:22.420 And he's like, well, he keeps coming over and, you know, doing things to them.

00:20:27.420 And he just won't leave them alone.

00:20:29.420 And so Daniel pushed him over, and I said, okay, well, that's fine, son.

00:20:32.420 You know, if he's...

00:20:33.420 And I basically told these women that, no, I don't see any problem with that,

00:20:37.420 because I'm paying for him to go to this school.

00:20:40.420 They had no particular recourse against me.

00:20:42.420 So I basically got him off on that one.

00:20:46.420 But you shouldn't have been called up to school.

00:20:48.420 No, absolutely not.

00:20:49.420 If that had happened when we were at school, you wouldn't have been called up to school.

00:20:51.420 And my dad would have been like, why are you calling me?

00:20:53.420 It would have been something...

00:20:54.420 I had this problem in Finland as well.

00:20:56.420 I mean, why are you telling me these things?

00:20:58.420 Yeah.

00:20:59.420 To a certain extent, what happens in school stays in school.

00:21:02.420 I don't want to receive...

00:21:03.420 What did they email?

00:21:04.420 They email you.

00:21:05.420 Oh, your son was involved in a fight today.

00:21:08.420 They made up and it's all okay.

00:21:10.420 My question is, did he win?

00:21:12.420 Yeah, my question is, who came off worse?

00:21:14.420 Why are you telling me this?

00:21:16.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:17.420 And it's...

00:21:18.420 There's hardly any male teachers at school.

00:21:20.420 Yeah.

00:21:21.420 And it's absolutely amazing.

00:21:24.420 The tiniest thing.

00:21:26.420 And suddenly you're being emailed.

00:21:28.420 I object to that as well.

00:21:29.420 Oh, yeah.

00:21:30.420 Emailed to be told, oh, your son did this, and the other boy did this, and it's all okay now.

00:21:34.420 That's just school life.

00:21:36.420 But it is very much indicative of a kind of masculine versus feminine perspective on how

00:21:41.420 these domains should be regulated.

00:21:43.420 And I am very concerned about the fact that I don't know if my son has any male teachers,

00:21:49.420 actually.

00:21:50.420 I've never met one.

00:21:51.420 I've only met female teachers at his school.

00:21:53.420 But it's the same at all schools.

00:21:54.420 Because men, for some reason, have been essentially driven out of education.

00:21:57.420 How old is your son?

00:21:58.420 Nine.

00:21:59.420 Nine, okay.

00:22:00.420 He's a little bit younger than my son.

00:22:01.420 Yeah.

00:22:02.420 And this is what I look at in this new book that I've done, Woke Eugenics, how social

00:22:06.420 justice is a masterful social Darwinism.

00:22:08.420 And one of the things I look at is the way that children are...

00:22:11.420 The whole idea is that the society is tipped over into wokeness, but being put on a maladaptive

00:22:16.420 roadmap of life.

00:22:17.420 Yes.

00:22:18.420 And this is basically then a selection event, because only the worst possible environment

00:22:23.420 is being thrown at you in terms of being adaptive.

00:22:26.420 And only if you're genetically strongly inclined towards basically being genetically healthy,

00:22:33.420 and thus this is associated with being religious and conservative and ethnocentric and so on,

00:22:38.420 will you survive that and pass on your genes.

00:22:41.420 Yes.

00:22:42.420 And so, you know, fat acceptance, the whole big T movement, which is basically a sterilizing

00:22:50.420 movement, the idea of feminism, you have as few children as you can, climate strike, you

00:22:56.420 feel guilty for being white, feel guilty for being human.

00:22:59.420 And if you can get sucked into this, then you are sterilized.

00:23:04.420 And so then all that is left is a group of people that are genetically healthy, and thus

00:23:08.420 the species is kept healthy across time and can survive when the next meteor hits or whatever.

00:23:15.420 And one of the things is the schooling is so maladaptive.

00:23:20.420 So the idea that you would be prepared for coping in life, not getting depressed.

00:23:27.420 If you get depressed, that's negatively associated with having children.

00:23:30.420 If you become anxious, that's negatively associated with having children.

00:23:33.420 If you end up with some sort of personality disorder, that's in general, though there's

00:23:37.420 exceptions, negatively associated with having children.

00:23:40.420 And the idea is that there's a degree to which the schooling system is supposed to teach

00:23:43.420 you really the kind of psychological resilience to be able to cope with bad things happening

00:23:49.420 to you as a child and come up with coping strategies and psychological grit, such that when bad

00:23:55.420 things happen to you when you're an adult, which they inevitably will, such as relationships

00:23:59.420 breaking down or lots of money or whatever, then you can cope with it and not just collapse

00:24:06.420 and crumple.

00:24:07.420 And these schools are taking that away such that boys in particular can't deal with it.

00:24:16.420 And that's why they talk about, like with Amy Gallagher, who I had on my show, she criticised CRT

00:24:23.420 and she was told that you're creating an atmosphere of violence and you're traumatising.

00:24:29.420 Your words are traumatising people.

00:24:31.420 Superb.

00:24:32.420 Now, of course, if nothing bad has ever been allowed to happen to you, then you will react

00:24:37.420 to something like someone questioning you like a petulant child would.

00:24:43.420 And you will feel like a spoiled child and you will feel traumatised.

00:24:48.420 Whereas actually it's by any objective standard.

00:24:50.420 There's nothing traumatic about being disagreed with.

00:24:52.420 I mean, you should be able to cope with that.

00:24:54.420 And it was interesting the way you even talk about this bully.

00:24:58.420 Like the idea that rather than say to him, you've been a bad boy.

00:25:01.420 This is not allowed.

00:25:02.420 Here is the line.

00:25:03.420 You've crossed it.

00:25:04.420 Bad.

00:25:05.420 Instead, it's just, let's talk to him.

00:25:09.420 Well, exactly.

00:25:10.420 Let's de-escalate.

00:25:12.420 Let's make the situation as calm as possible and hopefully he won't do this again.

00:25:17.420 And it's just self-evident that this kind of weakness just breeds contempt.

00:25:21.420 It breeds the kind of people who realise, I can do whatever I want.

00:25:26.420 You know what's interesting is back in the 50s and 60s, school children used to do boxing in school.

00:25:32.420 I can't even imagine that being allowed these days.

00:25:36.420 They used to punch each other in the face in school wearing gloves as part of PE.

00:25:42.420 Yeah.

00:25:43.420 I saw, I believe I might have seen it even on Gredge Hill.

00:25:45.420 Really?

00:25:46.420 In the early Gredge Hill.

00:25:47.420 I never did it when I was in school.

00:25:48.420 No, did I?

00:25:49.420 You know, I would have hated it, but I think it would have been good for me.

00:25:53.420 Certainly, we had, of course, competitive sports in school.

00:25:58.420 Yeah.

00:25:59.420 And I, you know, for various reasons, very, very bad at sport.

00:26:05.420 And so you have to get used to that and you have to come up with mechanisms to cope with

00:26:10.420 the disappointment and the loss and the humiliation.

00:26:13.420 And obviously I hated it at the time, but I suspect that now it probably was good for me.

00:26:18.420 And that's what they are.

00:26:19.420 That's the kind of thing they are beginning to take away.

00:26:21.420 Yeah.

00:26:22.420 So I looked at it.

00:26:23.420 I found lots and lots of newspaper articles about this.

00:26:25.420 So the first thing within this female dominated schooling system that starts to go is competitive

00:26:30.420 sport.

00:26:31.420 Competitive sport means a child might lose.

00:26:33.420 That might hurt the child's feelings.

00:26:35.420 So they stop that.

00:26:36.420 There's no competitive sport.

00:26:37.420 We're all winners.

00:26:38.420 Yeah.

00:26:39.420 And to the extent that one school just got rid of rugby because rugby was considered far

00:26:45.420 too violent.

00:26:46.420 And I assume that that includes not just rugby union, but rugby league rugby, which is not

00:26:52.420 violent.

00:26:53.420 But the violent part of it was the fun part.

00:26:55.420 That was the fun part of it.

00:26:56.420 It was great.

00:26:57.420 There were kids that were really good at football.

00:26:58.420 Yeah.

00:26:59.420 And I'm rubbish at football.

00:27:00.420 And then we played rugby and I could just push them into the mud.

00:27:03.420 Yes.

00:27:04.420 Well, you were meant to go for their knees.

00:27:06.420 Well, you were meant to.

00:27:07.420 But it was absolutely brilliant.

00:27:09.420 And also I was tall.

00:27:10.420 I reached my current height quite young.

00:27:13.420 So I was taller than most of the kids that were good at football.

00:27:16.420 And I just would just chuck them into them.

00:27:18.420 It was brilliant.

00:27:19.420 It was fantastic.

00:27:20.420 It was like the revenge of the kid that's crap at sport.

00:27:22.420 And now they don't.

00:27:23.420 They say rugby is too violent.

00:27:24.420 Our competitive sports are a problem.

00:27:26.420 And then the worst thing is that, of course, there is that poem.

00:27:29.420 I forget who it's by.

00:27:30.420 It's called The Killing Ground.

00:27:31.420 And it's a poem about playtime, basically.

00:27:34.420 It's about bullying in the playground.

00:27:36.420 And there's perhaps some truth in that.

00:27:38.420 But on the other hand, it causes, it means that children learn how to negotiate their own

00:27:44.420 problems rather than go and tell the teacher.

00:27:46.420 Because, obviously, if you tell the teacher, then that's social death.

00:27:49.420 I'm under the impression that it's far more acceptable now to go and tell the teacher.

00:27:53.420 And, indeed, that some schools, obviously run by females, have abolished playtime, have

00:27:59.420 abolished unsupervised play.

00:28:01.420 Really?

00:28:02.420 Because unsupervised play might mean bullying.

00:28:04.420 So instead of playtime, they do things like write poetry or play musical instruments or

00:28:10.420 things that they should be doing in the classroom when it's not playtime.

00:28:13.420 Yeah.

00:28:14.420 So, in effect, they've abolished playtime to save the feelings of some children who are

00:28:20.420 socially inept and will presumably have trouble learning not to be socially inept because

00:28:26.420 their possibility of learning those skills is taken away by virtue of having taken away

00:28:31.420 playtime.

00:28:32.420 And then, of course, when those children later in life, when something goes wrong, the first

00:28:37.420 thing, what they don't do is do what they should do, which is try and negotiate the situation.

00:28:40.420 No, they go and tell the teacher.

00:28:42.420 And that could be the literal teacher or it could be when we were at Warwick University.

00:28:45.420 There were literally signs on the doors of the loos.

00:28:49.420 Do you remember?

00:28:51.420 Listing, bullying, hate speech, microaggressions.

00:28:54.420 Microaggressions.

00:28:55.420 They had lines through them.

00:28:56.420 Didn't they?

00:28:57.420 I can't believe I didn't know that.

00:28:58.420 If any of these have happened to you, ring this number.

00:29:02.420 Basically grass up people.

00:29:04.420 You know what's interesting though is that if you were trying to build a totalising administrative

00:29:11.420 state, these are the kind of people you're building it for.

00:29:14.420 You are literally creating the constituency for the madhouse in which we find ourselves,

00:29:19.420 where the government is involved in every minor aspect of your life and every institution

00:29:24.420 is, I mean, this is just normal.

00:29:26.420 This is completely normal.

00:29:27.420 It's everywhere.

00:29:28.420 Exactly.

00:29:29.420 You're creating a situation where you can't have independent people.

00:29:32.420 You are creating basically a giant nursery school.

00:29:34.420 Yes.

00:29:35.420 Even on the train here, if I think of the difference in Finland and England, in Finland you would

00:29:41.420 get on the train and you would sit on the train and there would be no announcements

00:29:46.420 other than, okay, the next stop is Tampara or whatever.

00:29:50.420 The next stop is Tampara.

00:29:52.420 There is a restaurant car on board.

00:29:54.420 That's in translation.

00:29:55.420 That's what it would say.

00:29:56.420 Right.

00:29:57.420 On here, it's if you notice something that doesn't look right, see it, say it, sort it.

00:30:02.420 To be fair, there's probably fewer random explosions, diverse explosions in Finland.

00:30:11.420 Yes, there are.

00:30:12.420 Yeah.

00:30:13.420 So it's, I'm not sure that's necessarily an aspect of the nanny state.

00:30:17.420 I think that might be an aspect of the security state.

00:30:20.420 We had plenty of divers, we had plenty of explosions in the 80s.

00:30:23.420 You didn't have that kind of announcement on trains all the time.

00:30:26.420 True.

00:30:27.420 True.

00:30:28.420 So, yeah, I think it's a combination of the fact that there's more explosions plus the

00:30:30.420 nanny state.

00:30:31.420 But it becomes a self-validating cycle, doesn't it?

00:30:33.420 Because, oh look, this constituency of people who we've nurtured and nannied their whole

00:30:36.420 lives, they need for us to be able to control all of society.

00:30:40.420 And then that just turns society into that constituency and renders those people who

00:30:45.420 are happy being normal as an ever smaller demographic in the system.

00:30:49.420 Who are ever unhappier, ever, ever more unhappy.

00:30:52.420 And that's what they've created.

00:30:54.420 So it's like, it's very patronizing.

00:30:57.420 And my wife talks about this.

00:30:59.420 And we compare even things like signposts and what it says on them compared to Finland.

00:31:04.420 There's more of them here.

00:31:06.420 They're unnecessary and they're extremely patronizing.

00:31:10.420 And it's because of the extent to which we have created this nanny state, which that

00:31:15.420 is basically a code for a woman-rung state.

00:31:20.420 And it's, they will never grow up.

00:31:23.420 And because they never grow up.

00:31:24.420 I mean, for example, I had a case.

00:31:25.420 Okay, this is Finland.

00:31:26.420 Finland's not as bad as here.

00:31:27.420 But I've had a number of cases where I've said things in a bar, which are based.

00:31:32.420 And the result has been that someone has gone and told the barman.

00:31:37.420 Right?

00:31:38.420 In the first instance.

00:31:39.420 What do they expect him to do?

00:31:41.420 Well, in the first instance, it was a male.

00:31:44.420 And I had, there was this transsexual, it was the Green, it was the Finnish Green Party Youth

00:31:49.420 Congress and it was happening in Oulu.

00:31:52.420 And you ended up at that?

00:31:53.420 Well, it was this pub.

00:31:54.420 They went to a pub afterwards and I was in that pub.

00:31:56.420 And there was this obviously trans woman who hadn't even made much of an effort.

00:32:00.420 Hairy arms and God no more.

00:32:02.420 And he was using the women's loo and whatever.

00:32:05.420 And I got talking, they were quite friendly to him at first.

00:32:07.420 And I said, well, look, you know, my attitude towards the Green Party is that you're against

00:32:10.420 free speech and you're a seriously damaging force in this country.

00:32:13.420 It's very bad.

00:32:14.420 And they were, no, we're not.

00:32:15.420 No, we're very friendly and we're not against free speech.

00:32:17.420 Are you not?

00:32:18.420 You're not against free speech?

00:32:19.420 No, we're not.

00:32:20.420 Oh, good.

00:32:21.420 Well, let's talk about your transsexuality.

00:32:22.420 Let's talk about your autogynist, if there's transsexuality then.

00:32:23.420 And then she reacts like a vampire that's seen a cross.

00:32:28.420 Well, you've suddenly outed yourself as an enemy.

00:32:30.420 Well, exactly.

00:32:31.420 And I was surrounded by them and told, oh, you can't know what a person's gender is from

00:32:36.420 what they look like.

00:32:37.420 That's exactly how I know.

00:32:38.420 And I said, well, you can.

00:32:39.420 And this quite pretty girl goes, no, you can't.

00:32:40.420 I said, you're a woman.

00:32:41.420 You don't know that.

00:32:42.420 I said, I do know you are.

00:32:43.420 I could smell you off.

00:32:44.420 And then they bring over like this big fat guy who's like, I don't know, it's part of

00:32:49.420 their party.

00:32:50.420 He says to me, you have to leave.

00:32:51.420 And I said, this is a pub.

00:32:52.420 I'm not going to leave.

00:32:53.420 And then he goes to the bar and says, and says what's happened.

00:32:57.420 The guy, the barber, I knew him.

00:32:58.420 He comes up and says, look, just please, Ed, just leave it alone.

00:33:00.420 Just knock it off.

00:33:01.420 Just leave it alone.

00:33:02.420 Just go to a different part of the pub.

00:33:03.420 And I said, all right.

00:33:04.420 The second time, I was talking to these left wing students in a local pub.

00:33:10.420 And my friend, my Scottish friend who lives in the area, he said to me, Ed, look, you're

00:33:15.420 a bit drunk and they're mutants.

00:33:17.420 They are mutants.

00:33:18.420 Don't go near them.

00:33:19.420 I said, no, no, no, they probably speak English.

00:33:22.420 It'll be fun.

00:33:23.420 They're young.

00:33:24.420 They're mutants.

00:33:25.420 I said, all right, all right.

00:33:26.420 So I did the opposite of what he said.

00:33:27.420 He has this great, you know, sort of Thomas Aquinas based wisdom.

00:33:31.420 He was right.

00:33:32.420 And they were, I mean, one of them said she had like borderline personality disorder and

00:33:35.420 she cut herself and covered up with tattoos.

00:33:37.420 It should have been a danger sign.

00:33:39.420 Yeah, that's a great thing.

00:33:40.420 And then eventually we were talking about, they asked me about my research.

00:33:44.420 And I said about, you know, the sexual dynamics of how women want, men want sex, women want

00:33:51.420 investment.

00:33:52.420 And so in this sense, they exchanged that.

00:33:55.420 And in this sense, like women are whores, essentially.

00:33:57.420 And men are the kind of people that would use whores.

00:33:59.420 It's a very unromantic view of marriage.

00:34:01.420 That is in this simple, evolutionary way.

00:34:03.420 That is the dynamic, right?

00:34:04.420 I thought that was quite a reasonable summary.

00:34:06.420 So then this chap goes to the bar.

00:34:08.420 Hang on, hang on.

00:34:09.420 A prostitute is available for anyone.

00:34:12.420 So it's not...

00:34:13.420 No, it's simplifying it.

00:34:14.420 That's what I emphasize.

00:34:15.420 It's simplifying it.

00:34:16.420 But it's an exchange of sexual resources, isn't it?

00:34:19.420 Sure, but there's an element of fidelity that makes it not prostitution, I would say.

00:34:25.420 No, exactly.

00:34:26.420 But more broadly, it is the same.

00:34:28.420 It has a material component, that is correct.

00:34:30.420 It's the exchange for material resources, sex.

00:34:32.420 And then with patriarchy, which comes in, which is that they then have the right to control

00:34:37.420 the sexuality.

00:34:38.420 So that's perhaps where that comes in.

00:34:40.420 Anyway, I did say that.

00:34:41.420 I don't think I've used to be a whore.

00:34:42.420 I've used to be a prostitute.

00:34:43.420 And then suddenly I go to the bar, and the bar woman says, oh, you've called all women

00:34:48.420 whores.

00:34:49.420 You're barred for three months.

00:34:50.420 Only three months?

00:34:51.420 Yeah.

00:34:52.420 Oh, that's all right.

00:34:53.420 You can go back then.

00:34:54.420 Go back.

00:34:55.420 I've been back there.

00:34:56.420 And then they seem fine about it.

00:34:57.420 I was like, what was the point of that?

00:34:58.420 When I told another landlord this has happened to me, another Finnish pub, he laughed.

00:35:02.420 I was like, what?

00:35:03.420 You asked not to come back for three months?

00:35:05.420 I was like, what?

00:35:06.420 But that was the thing.

00:35:08.420 His attitude was, oh, the bad boy has said a bad thing.

00:35:12.420 I'll have to go and tell the teacher, who's the barmaid.

00:35:15.420 And then, right.

00:35:17.420 What's wrong with the traditional English idea of, outside you, we've had a disagreement?

00:35:21.420 Well, that's the problem, isn't it?

00:35:24.420 Traditional ideas are being systematically destroyed to bring about a world in which nobody

00:35:29.420 feels slightly inconvenienced.

00:35:31.420 But you feel the whole idea of a pub is that it's a place where that working man, that

00:35:36.420 same pub, I've witnessed people say the most appalling racist and sexist things.

00:35:40.420 And, of course, nothing happens because they're not grassed up to the barman.

00:35:43.420 Yeah.

00:35:44.420 Because you just don't do that.

00:35:45.420 But there's something in this generation's ed that they feel that they, no, no, no, they

00:35:50.420 must be able to.

00:35:51.420 Well, honestly, it's millennialism.

00:35:54.420 The millennials are generally quite like this.

00:35:57.420 And I find it just insufferable, just complete grasses.

00:36:02.420 Almost all of them.

00:36:03.420 And there's a small cohort, you know, there's a cohort of base millennials who are not like

00:36:07.420 this.

00:36:08.420 But so many of them are like this.

00:36:10.420 And so it's just like, what do you do with this?

00:36:12.420 I mean, of our generation, it's unthinkable that you go and tell the teacher.

00:36:16.420 Unthinkable.

00:36:17.420 Like you say, social death.

00:36:18.420 Like you will be an outcast.

00:36:19.420 You will be forever mocked as being a pussy, frankly.

00:36:22.420 And so, but for the millennials, it must be something to do with the introduction of

00:36:27.420 teaching the classrooms.

00:36:28.420 Because I remember most of my teachers being male.

00:36:31.420 About 70% of my teachers, 60%, some of them were male growing up.

00:36:36.420 And, you know, there's no particular problem.

00:36:39.420 But now, like I said, I don't know if my son has any, my oldest son has any male teachers.

00:36:45.420 The nursery staff are all female.

00:36:47.420 Yeah.

00:36:48.420 That was the case in the age school, though.

00:36:49.420 Well, yeah, yeah.

00:36:50.420 And the infant staff were all, I think, all female.

00:36:53.420 But by junior school, I think out of, I don't know how many teachers there were, like, what,

00:36:57.420 nine times four, 36 teachers, let's say.

00:37:01.420 And then there was, and then there was a, then there was a male headmaster.

00:37:04.420 And I think one or two male teachers.

00:37:06.420 So, but now I think at that same kind of school, there's just none.

00:37:09.420 Yeah.

00:37:10.420 He used to be the headmaster would almost always be a man as well.

00:37:12.420 Yeah.

00:37:13.420 At the junior school.

00:37:14.420 Yeah.

00:37:15.420 Well, my secondary school was a boys school.

00:37:17.420 Well.

00:37:18.420 So that was probably overrepresented in terms of, in terms of male teachers.

00:37:21.420 Um, but it's, yeah, they don't, they don't, the teaching is, is lost status.

00:37:26.420 It's lost status because women increasingly do it.

00:37:28.420 Um, and there's a paper by a woman, um, which is, which is, uh, which has looked at, Dave

00:37:33.420 Carol Black, uh, which has looked at this and it shows that this is just a fact that the,

00:37:38.420 the women take over a profession or become influential in a profession, it's seen as women's

00:37:42.420 work.

00:37:43.420 It's seen as women's work.

00:37:44.420 It loses status and loses how much you get paid.

00:37:46.420 And then men just stop going into it.

00:37:48.420 And then again, there's the tipping point thing.

00:37:49.420 Yeah.

00:37:50.420 There's the snowball effect.

00:37:51.420 And that's happened in teaching.

00:37:52.420 And I think that secondary school teachers are now about 70% or even 75% female.

00:37:57.420 Um, so it's gone.

00:37:59.420 And this, this explains the left wing bias of education now as well.

00:38:02.420 Um, a few years ago, there was a survey done and it turns out something like 65, 70% of teachers

00:38:07.420 vote labor in this country.

00:38:09.420 And so you can imagine how that influences the political atmosphere of a classroom.

00:38:14.420 Uh, well, yeah, I mean, I can't really, cause I've not been there.

00:38:19.420 I'd love to see it cause I've been talking to Conor earlier and they were, they were saying,

00:38:23.420 he was saying the kids of his generation look at a, they find things like love actually,

00:38:30.420 which isn't even that old, but everyone in you, you don't have the forced diversity yet.

00:38:35.420 And so, and so, um, it's why, and they didn't see that and they were like, well, it's not even that long ago.

00:38:40.420 That's what it was like.

00:38:41.420 And that's what real life is like.

00:38:42.420 So why is it to them?

00:38:43.420 So why is it that that's never now presented as media?

00:38:46.420 And so they know they're being lied to.

00:38:48.420 And secondly, of course, they, as, um, they have another source of information.

00:38:52.420 We just had the telly and we trusted it really.

00:38:55.420 Uh, whereas no, they now know the telly is lying to them and they go on the internet and they go down the rabbit hole.

00:39:00.420 And so suddenly you, you have this, uh, these people that we saw at the Skylands who are, who are, who are not having this.

00:39:07.420 And as you say, as it, as it gets, as it, um, as momentum is built, then more women get involved and it, and it grows.

00:39:14.420 And I, and the information that I've done on research on the, uh, genetics of this and whose breeding implies that there should be a backlash for that reason alone.

00:39:22.420 And the wokeness, as I look at woke eugenics, is just making this more pronounced because it's telling you, if you don't agree with us and increasingly what we are more and more and more doctrinaire, then you're evil.

00:39:35.420 And this creates these bonds between the people that are cast out, who have differences between them, discriments among them, but those are able to be increasingly pushed aside.

00:39:46.420 And then those people then end up with a sort of competitive anti-wokeness where then the people that are within their accepted circle kind of grows and grows and grows and grows.

00:39:56.420 And so that now we're talking about things like deport, people who use this word deportation.

00:40:00.420 Now I can't, 15 years ago, to talk about deportation of immigrants, that was what like the most extreme right unacceptable opinion you could possibly have.

00:40:09.420 Even then, I don't even recall people like Nick Griffin saying deportation.

00:40:12.420 They were just saying we need to stop immigration.

00:40:14.420 Yeah, he would, so you've got to go back to like the national, to the national front of the seventies and eighties for someone like John Tindall to be talking about, we should deport them.

00:40:25.420 We should have repatriation.

00:40:28.420 So by 2000 or whatever it was, 99 when Griffin's in charge, those that are here can stay, we just don't want any more.

00:40:35.420 Yeah.

00:40:36.420 And now, because we've had this overwhelming, it's been so rubbed in your face, it's overwhelming number of people.

00:40:41.420 And they're not families, because that was what was coming over in the seventies and whatever, it was families.

00:40:46.420 A lot of them were also from areas of the British Empire that were decolonizing as well.

00:40:50.420 So it kind of made sense that they would come here.

00:40:52.420 They had at least a cultural connection with the UK.

00:40:55.420 Yeah.

00:40:56.420 And they had a claim of service as well.

00:40:58.420 So it was, you know, we were administrators in your empire.

00:41:01.420 Are you just going to leave us out to dry?

00:41:02.420 Well, no, I suppose not.

00:41:03.420 Exactly.

00:41:04.420 Whereas these people are from places that we've had nothing to do with.

00:41:07.420 Were never ruled by the empire.

00:41:09.420 Or if they were, it was a very, very long time ago and someone else superseded us.

00:41:12.420 Well, you know, I mean, there are North Africans, there are, you know, like, just strange places.

00:41:18.420 Like, a lot of people from the Far East.

00:41:21.420 It's like, a lot of that wasn't our territory.

00:41:23.420 What are you doing here?

00:41:24.420 Hmm.

00:41:25.420 Well, you're here because it's, well, it's English, I guess, the language they learn, plus the benefits system.

00:41:31.420 Yeah.

00:41:32.420 I just, what I cannot understand is the psychology of how anybody can say that you can come to France and claim asylum.

00:41:39.420 And when it was last year, you showed me this migrant hotel, or former migrant hotel.

00:41:43.420 Yeah.

00:41:44.420 Which is going to be packed with chaps from Algeria or wherever.

00:41:47.420 Yeah.

00:41:48.420 Fortunately, they've been moved on.

00:41:49.420 I don't know where they've gone.

00:41:50.420 Well, some other poor bugger of a city has to.

00:41:51.420 Exactly.

00:41:52.420 Some else has to.

00:41:53.420 Some of Cheshire or somewhere.

00:41:54.420 But there's no possible, you can't be a refugee.

00:41:58.420 It's a safe country.

00:42:00.420 Is there a war in France?

00:42:01.420 I don't believe there is.

00:42:03.420 So there's, well, there is a war, but that's a different thing.

00:42:05.420 It's on the streets and it's gangs and it's because they've lived in all of these.

00:42:07.420 It could be the government against their own people, I suppose, but.

00:42:10.420 There's that.

00:42:11.420 But no, there is no war.

00:42:13.420 And so what, how can they, I just cannot comprehend how they're not sent back straight away.

00:42:19.420 And it must be, it's this muzzled state.

00:42:21.420 It's this, it's this human rights act above the government.

00:42:24.420 It's the Tony Blair thing.

00:42:25.420 Basically.

00:42:26.420 Sorry, just speaking of Tony Blair, did you see he had come out today and said,

00:42:31.420 I don't understand why we're doing immigration the way we're doing it.

00:42:33.420 We used to take single people from Europe and now we're taking families from Africa.

00:42:38.420 How is that helping us?

00:42:40.420 Well, but.

00:42:41.420 I mean, that's a very.

00:42:42.420 Yeah, but he started all this.

00:42:43.420 I know.

00:42:44.420 I know.

00:42:45.420 Which makes the entire turnaround all the more remarkable.

00:42:48.420 The problem he began has got so bad, even he will come out and publicly object to it.

00:42:53.420 But yet the people who are successors, like the bimbo in chief and the robot man.

00:42:57.420 Yeah.

00:42:58.420 And the conservative party.

00:42:59.420 And the conservative party.

00:43:00.420 Are not prepared to do anything about it at all.

00:43:02.420 No, it's crazy.

00:43:03.420 And so now every single day there's a stabbing.

00:43:05.420 There's some sort of atrocity on the streets of Britain.

00:43:08.420 And no one knows what to do.

00:43:10.420 And there's no police officers around, of course.

00:43:12.420 No.

00:43:13.420 I mean, I think the next thing.

00:43:14.420 I was in Lambeth yesterday.

00:43:16.420 And we're kind of policing ourselves because we have to.

00:43:19.420 Yeah.

00:43:20.420 So I was at this pub called the Jolly Gardens or something it was called.

00:43:23.420 Mm-hmm.

00:43:24.420 And there was these local blokes.

00:43:28.420 And they said, excuse me, love.

00:43:30.420 Excuse me, love.

00:43:31.420 They'd noticed a guy on a bike that was going around trying to nick mobile phones.

00:43:35.420 Really?

00:43:36.420 Yeah.

00:43:37.420 And they noticed it.

00:43:38.420 They took it upon themselves to stand around in that area and tell people, particularly

00:43:43.420 women who were holding their phones, walking along, to be careful.

00:43:46.420 To basically police the area.

00:43:48.420 They took it upon themselves to do that.

00:43:50.420 And that is great, I think.

00:43:51.420 And that is the beginning of a kind of soft vigilantism.

00:43:54.420 Because they know there's no police.

00:43:56.420 They know the police won't do anything if the phones are stolen.

00:43:59.420 Yeah.

00:44:00.420 They know that.

00:44:01.420 And they said this to me.

00:44:02.420 So they just took turns, just in their lunch hour, to stand there and police the area.

00:44:07.420 Yeah, but it's a sad thing that it's come to this circumstance.

00:44:10.420 I mean, it should be that, A, there aren't random thieving men around.

00:44:17.420 Or, if there have to be these random men around, then there should be police that were

00:44:23.420 wandering around on the beat.

00:44:24.420 But instead, we're in a situation where we've got the worst of all worlds.

00:44:27.420 And so it has to be that the local community has to say, well, I'm going to have to take

00:44:32.420 my spare time and help others out.

00:44:34.420 Yeah.

00:44:35.420 The old civic duty was things like joining the local historical society.

00:44:39.420 Yeah.

00:44:40.420 Or joining the local fine arts society.

00:44:43.420 Or donating to the library.

00:44:45.420 That was civic duty, that was.

00:44:46.420 Now it's watching out for Jamal stealing your neighbour's phone.

00:44:49.420 And now we're in South Africa.

00:44:51.420 Yeah.

00:44:52.420 And your civic duty is to literally police for free your society.

00:44:57.420 Because nobody, including the special constables, those people are all involved in policing

00:45:02.420 thought crime.

00:45:03.420 And so I think this is what was going to slowly emerge.

00:45:07.420 That's the thing.

00:45:08.420 It slowly emerges.

00:45:09.420 It's like everyone, people that are South African or who are in right Zimbabwean or whatever,

00:45:15.420 they all remember the first time they were asked for a bribe.

00:45:19.420 Really?

00:45:20.420 Because it's a fundamental turning point.

00:45:22.420 Yeah.

00:45:23.420 We will perhaps remember it when it happens here.

00:45:25.420 And it will.

00:45:26.420 The first time that an official asked for a bribe.

00:45:30.420 See, that to me is going to be a heartbreaking day.

00:45:33.420 Because when I grew up, just the idea of bribing a police officer was just unthinkable.

00:45:38.420 I mean, I remember, I used to work at the research councils here.

00:45:41.420 And my boss told me about how when he was younger, he was travelling around Africa trying

00:45:46.420 to set up computers in the 90s when PCs were everything.

00:45:49.420 Obviously that never went anywhere, but it never does.

00:45:52.420 And he was telling me how he would have to just bribe local cops with like, you know,

00:45:56.420 three quid or something, which was a lot of money to them.

00:45:59.420 I was horrified.

00:46:00.420 It wasn't about the amount of money, of course.

00:46:02.420 It was about the idea of a society in which bribery was just commonplace.

00:46:07.420 And he was like, oh yeah, God, yeah, it was awful.

00:46:09.420 It was absolutely terrible.

00:46:10.420 But this is something that will eventually become normal.

00:46:14.420 It will.

00:46:15.420 In Mexico, they will stop you for speeding, but they don't want to give you the speeding fine.

00:46:21.420 They want the bribe, which is considerably less than the speeding fine.

00:46:24.420 Yeah.

00:46:25.420 So what they will have is these very expensive speeding fines, which they don't want you to pay.

00:46:29.420 They want you to pay like five or 10% of that.

00:46:32.420 And that's the bribe.

00:46:33.420 And then off you go on your way.

00:46:35.420 But in a sense, we're always seeing something like this.

00:46:38.420 Well, it's not bribery, but it's utter corruption based on political viewpoint.

00:46:43.420 Your nemesis, whose name we will not mention, but who is an MP for Birmingham,

00:46:48.420 has stated openly that she gets a doctor's appointment because she states that she's pro-Gaza.

00:46:55.420 She gets preferential treatment and shunted up the list because she is a politician

00:47:00.420 with views favourable to the Palestinian doctors who treat her.

00:47:04.420 Yeah.

00:47:05.420 And that is absolutely unbelievable.

00:47:07.420 And if that's true, then we should find out who those doctors are and they should be struck off.

00:47:12.420 100%.

00:47:13.420 I'm inclined to believe that it is true because a clever person wouldn't make an admission like that.

00:47:19.420 Someone who understood, oh, I am benefiting from a client patron system where I support them politically

00:47:26.420 and they support me in other regards.

00:47:29.420 They wouldn't make that public because that would, of course, be outrageous.

00:47:32.420 Whereas Jess Phillips is a moron.

00:47:34.420 Steady on.

00:47:35.420 Steady on.

00:47:36.420 How upset she got last time?

00:47:37.420 Well, hey, I think I'm allowed to call a politician a moron.

00:47:41.420 I think that's acceptable.

00:47:42.420 That's acceptable.

00:47:43.420 That's not hate speech or anything like that.

00:47:45.420 And she just blurted it out.

00:47:47.420 Okay, now it's in the national newspapers.

00:47:49.420 I wouldn't even try to rate her IQ.

00:47:52.420 I don't think it's possible.

00:47:55.420 I wouldn't even try.

00:47:56.420 But I mean, just as a quick aside, have you noticed that the entire Labour front bench

00:47:59.420 has got an average IQ of about 90?

00:48:01.420 They're morons.

00:48:02.420 They're not very intelligent.

00:48:03.420 I mean, I just can't imagine picking a more stupid bunch of people.

00:48:08.420 The only one that comes across to me as remotely intelligent is a woman called Liz Kendall.

00:48:12.420 Right.

00:48:13.420 A little short, petite girl.

00:48:14.420 Yeah.

00:48:15.420 She seems quite intelligent.

00:48:16.420 The Yvette Cooper woman is probably quite intelligent because she's quite a version of unstable.

00:48:21.420 I don't think she is.

00:48:22.420 Again, if you actually read it, she's programmed by feminist ideology, but I wouldn't say that she's intelligent.

00:48:29.420 So, again, they're all very block-headed.

00:48:31.420 They can't think outside of what they've been instructed by their ideologies.

00:48:35.420 There's a woman called Lucy Powell.

00:48:37.420 She's not very bright.

00:48:38.420 No.

00:48:39.420 Obviously, David Lammy's .

00:48:40.420 I don't know how he can embarrass her.

00:48:42.420 Classic.

00:48:43.420 I can only assume some kind of proto-DEI thing.

00:48:46.420 I don't know how he can embarrass her.

00:48:48.420 I believe it.

00:48:49.420 The worst celebrity mastermind result ever.

00:48:52.420 Honestly, look it up.

00:48:53.420 It's so good.

00:48:54.420 And he thinks he's intelligent as well.

00:48:56.420 That's the worst thing.

00:48:57.420 It's a Dunning-Kruger effect.

00:48:58.420 Who is Edward the Eighth's son?

00:49:00.420 Edward the Seventh?

00:49:01.420 It's just amazing how thick he is.

00:49:04.420 He's foreign secretary.

00:49:05.420 Although, presumably, there's a de facto foreign secretary.

00:49:07.420 There's a junior minister that actually does things.

00:49:09.420 I don't know.

00:49:10.420 I can imagine.

00:49:11.420 It must be.

00:49:12.420 Keir Starmer, obviously, is a robot.

00:49:13.420 He doesn't have dreams.

00:49:14.420 He has no inner life.

00:49:16.420 He doesn't think whatever it is he's asked about.

00:49:20.420 He's never really thought about him.

00:49:21.420 Sometimes refers to himself in the third person, you know.

00:49:24.420 Well, that's a sign of narcissism, I believe.

00:49:26.420 Yeah.

00:49:27.420 So he's an empty-headed narcissist.

00:49:28.420 Yeah, an empty-headed narcissist.

00:49:29.420 So Keir doesn't think this.

00:49:30.420 Keir can't do that.

00:49:31.420 But he literally said this in this interview.

00:49:33.420 Keir just gets on with what is in front of his face.

00:49:35.420 Yeah.

00:49:36.420 Oh, okay.

00:49:37.420 And he's separate from Keir, though.

00:49:39.420 That could be consistent with some sort of weird borderline personality.

00:49:42.420 I have no idea, you know.

00:49:44.420 He doesn't think about any of these negative things, because he's divided himself in half,

00:49:48.420 like in that Jim Carrey film, whatever it's called.

00:49:50.420 Entirely possible.

00:49:51.420 Me, myself, and I.

00:49:52.420 Oh, yeah.

00:49:53.420 And so there's two Keirs.

00:49:54.420 There's the Keir with all the bad stuff's happened to, by his, frankly, very peculiar-looking

00:49:58.420 parents, who's kind of suppressed and who's died.

00:50:02.420 You know, he comes out at moments of extreme stress.

00:50:05.420 Well, he did say that there are aspects of his own soul that he refuses to investigate,

00:50:10.420 alleyways that he doesn't go down and he just carries on, which implies that there is something

00:50:14.420 dark in his own soul.

00:50:15.420 Also, even the use of the metal alleyway implies that it's dark.

00:50:17.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:18.420 And that he just closes off and doesn't go down, which implies that there is a darkness

00:50:22.420 in him that he ought to confront, but doesn't.

00:50:26.420 But then, moving on from Keir's armor, of course, we have our best and brightest, Angela

00:50:30.420 Rayner, probably the only grandmother on the entire Labour bench, and she's 44.

00:50:37.420 Which I think is actually okay, but that's not the reason that she's interesting.

00:50:42.420 I cannot understand how someone is, I mean, I would say she's thicker than John Prescott.

00:50:47.420 Yes.

00:50:48.420 I mean, and that's saying something.

00:50:49.420 Yes.

00:50:50.420 I mean, because he's probably got an IQ of about 100.

00:50:51.420 Yes.

00:50:52.420 And so this is below average IQ woman who dropped out of school.

00:50:57.420 If you're American, I mean, we're not joking.

00:50:59.420 No.

00:51:00.420 We're not joking.

00:51:01.420 Dropped out of school at 16, or 15 even, had a child at 16, brought up in such poverty,

00:51:10.420 so she says, and maybe she exaggerates, that her mum couldn't read.

00:51:13.420 And she ended up eating, like, cat food, because her mum didn't realise it was cat food.

00:51:17.420 And now she's the Deputy Prime Minister.

00:51:19.420 Maybe she thought it was, what, a tinned cat?

00:51:22.420 And, I mean, there's pictures on the tin, it's a clue.

00:51:26.420 Yeah.

00:51:27.420 It's going to be a tinned cat.

00:51:28.420 I mean, to be fair, I got my tin of tuna and there's a tuna on it, so.

00:51:31.420 Yeah, exactly.

00:51:32.420 That's why I can see that she would make that inference.

00:51:34.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:35.420 That it would be a tinned cat.

00:51:36.420 A tin of cat, yeah.

00:51:37.420 Why would you want to eat cat?

00:51:38.420 Or dog.

00:51:39.420 I don't know how desperate her family situation was to be.

00:51:42.420 She was like, wow, I'm so desperate, but I go and buy a few tins of cat.

00:51:46.420 It looks quite cheap.

00:51:48.420 Yeah, cat.

00:51:49.420 Tuna is way cheaper than cat food.

00:51:51.420 I've got five cats.

00:51:52.420 And cats eat tuna.

00:51:54.420 Yeah.

00:51:55.420 Even cats know.

00:51:56.420 But, no, it's crazy.

00:51:58.420 And she obviously, that's the problem with the Labour Party.

00:52:00.420 They have this system where they elect a deputy leader and they elect someone ridiculous,

00:52:05.420 like her, or John Prescott, or I don't know if the Australian thing of other, I don't know,

00:52:10.420 what was that slathering, blubbering guy in the 1980s, Roy Hattersley.

00:52:14.420 Oh, yeah.

00:52:15.420 And then they're in.

00:52:16.420 And then there's this pressure to make them de facto deputy, deputy prime minister,

00:52:20.420 which is obviously insane, because if the prime minister was suddenly killed

00:52:23.420 and the king had to appoint immediately a stand-in prime minister,

00:52:29.420 it obviously couldn't be her.

00:52:30.420 I mean, that just goes without saying.

00:52:32.420 Again, that there would have to be some sort of real prerogative, like Alec Nuggles-Humann,

00:52:35.420 when he was appointed.

00:52:36.420 Actually, he'd have to make a decision.

00:52:37.420 You're right.

00:52:38.420 It would have to be David Lambert.

00:52:39.420 It would have to.

00:52:40.420 Well, yeah, obviously.

00:52:41.420 No, presumably it would be the chancellor.

00:52:42.420 But anyway, they'd have to appoint somebody that was intelligent and they couldn't appoint

00:52:47.420 her.

00:52:48.420 It's absolutely crazy.

00:52:49.420 And then she's being put in charge of policy with regard to housing.

00:52:52.420 She's the sort of minister of that portfolio.

00:52:54.420 On the housing thing, you know that the Conservatives actually brought in some beauty legislation

00:53:00.420 when it came to architecture?

00:53:01.420 And she undid it.

00:53:02.420 She undid it.

00:53:03.420 And when asked, aesthetics was quite a large part of my philosophy degree.

00:53:08.420 And the part that I did the best in as well, she basically said there's no point to it.

00:53:14.420 And I was just like, there have been untold stacks of books discussing the subject and merits

00:53:22.420 of aesthetics.

00:53:23.420 And Angela Rayner's just like, that doesn't matter.

00:53:25.420 I was like, oh, okay.

00:53:26.420 Well, it doesn't matter if, well, if you're stupid.

00:53:29.420 But even if you're intelligent, it doesn't matter if you are...

00:53:31.420 I think even stupid people can appreciate beauty.

00:53:33.420 Indeed.

00:53:34.420 If you are a resentful, unhappy person, then a lot of beauty is, and just anything that's

00:53:43.420 nice, and other people being happy, is unpleasant to you because you are resentful.

00:53:48.420 And often beauty is symmetry and order, and order and structure.

00:53:52.420 And these things are bad because you blame these things for why you're in what you see

00:53:56.420 as, perhaps wrongly, what you see as your lowly positions.

00:53:59.420 If you're neurotic, you'll always see yourself as an outsider, even if you're a deputy prime

00:54:04.420 minister.

00:54:05.420 And so you will be resentful, and you will want to tear down beauty and promote ugliness

00:54:10.420 unconsciously, because ugliness makes people depressed.

00:54:12.420 And if people are depressed, they feel there's just no point.

00:54:15.420 There was a study that was in the conference by Aydin Paladin, and she was saying this, that

00:54:20.420 if people are depressed, then there's no sense of meaning.

00:54:23.420 They don't even try.

00:54:25.420 Yeah.

00:54:26.420 So make people depressed, which you are depressed, with ugly building, because they feel

00:54:30.420 you were disgust, and you just feel this sort of mismatch and just some horror.

00:54:33.420 So it's absolutely in her interests to build ugly tower blocks, of which I see so many,

00:54:40.420 you know, to build Swindon as opposed to old Swindon, basically.

00:54:43.420 Oh, yeah.

00:54:44.420 If you go to the old town, it's really lovely.

00:54:46.420 I went to the old town when I was last here.

00:54:48.420 And then, well, except that there was this former town hall, or whatever it is, which

00:54:51.420 they've allowed to fall into ruin and burn down and whatever.

00:54:54.420 But otherwise, there's basically one street that is old Swindon.

00:54:58.420 And it's really nice.

00:54:59.420 There is a bit more to it than that.

00:55:00.420 But it's, yeah, buildings built, you know, a hundred years ago or something like that.

00:55:03.420 And so they're all lovely.

00:55:04.420 And it's like, look, the entire town could look like this.

00:55:07.420 It used to look like this.

00:55:08.420 I don't know why we've allowed it to go this way.

00:55:10.420 I believe they deliberately pulled down a lot of old buildings.

00:55:13.420 And there was, as I think you said in the video I did, the Year Zero.

00:55:17.420 Yeah.

00:55:18.420 There was, they wanted to pull down those workers' cottages, those very, very beautiful cottages.

00:55:23.420 And they're nearer to here, aren't they?

00:55:24.420 They are, yeah.

00:55:25.420 And there was a campaign against it, thank goodness.

00:55:28.420 And it didn't happen.

00:55:29.420 But they wanted to make Swindon uglier than it is.

00:55:32.420 And fortunately, some people said in the way that's what Labour want.

00:55:35.420 They want to make England uglier than it already is.

00:55:38.420 Yeah.

00:55:39.420 Which in part is quite ugly.

00:55:40.420 Well, like England's basically trapped between two worlds at the moment.

00:55:46.420 You've got the de-aestheticised post-Soviet world that the Labour Party have been trying

00:55:53.420 to build since the 1970s.

00:55:56.420 So you've got these insanely ugly buildings that blight the towns and cities.

00:56:01.420 But then, as soon as you turn your face away from that, you see the lovely old England

00:56:05.420 that still does exist.

00:56:07.420 And I don't know why we're allowing them to do this to us.

00:56:11.420 We don't...

00:56:12.420 All I can say is that it goes back to what we were talking about at the beginning of the

00:56:16.420 conversation, which is that, well, I suppose we're allowing us to do...

00:56:18.420 You know what my perhaps reductionist, but anyway, scientific theory is on why this has

00:56:24.420 ultimately occurred.

00:56:25.420 But it has to get to...

00:56:28.420 It's almost accelerationist.

00:56:29.420 It has to get to an extreme point before there is a reaction.

00:56:33.420 And I don't...

00:56:34.420 I'd love to know what the...

00:56:35.420 What's the word I want?

00:56:36.420 The conflation of circumstances is that has permitted us to get to where there clearly

00:56:40.420 is now a reaction, even among some quite elite people who wouldn't have dared touch these

00:56:45.420 things quite recently, until quite recently.

00:56:49.420 But there is a reaction.

00:56:50.420 And the brilliance of it is that the reaction is not among boomers who are now in their 60s

00:56:56.420 and 70s, and even 80s almost, and are going to, you know, go the way of the Vikings or whatever,

00:57:03.420 but among young people.

00:57:06.420 And they imagine...

00:57:08.420 I can't imagine it being brought up genuinely knowing and understanding that your teachers

00:57:13.420 are not very bright and they're liars.

00:57:16.420 Yeah, and that they've got a general hatred towards you, because I'm sure that a lot of

00:57:20.420 young, native British people these days recognise this feeling, this sense of being a second-class

00:57:26.420 citizen in your own country.

00:57:29.420 There are definitely privileges that are extended and considerations of grace that is extended

00:57:35.420 to the minority groups that is withheld from the native British.

00:57:38.420 I spoke to somebody who said when he was...

00:57:40.420 What appealed him was when he was at university, there was this, I don't know, like civil service

00:57:47.420 work experience paid course or something in the summer, and he could sign up to it.

00:57:53.420 Yeah.

00:57:54.420 And he signed up to it and he was rejected.

00:57:55.420 And the reason was because it turned out that course was exclusively for ethnic minorities

00:57:59.420 and disabled people.

00:58:02.420 Do you know, my first realisation that the world was not being run as it ought was when

00:58:08.420 I was working at the research councils.

00:58:10.420 And the research councils are based here because we don't have a university, so there's

00:58:13.420 no particular university bias.

00:58:15.420 And we control, or they control, all of the financing for science projects in the UK that

00:58:21.420 the government is involved in.

00:58:24.420 And my boss was female, her boss was female, and the division head, the head of the department,

00:58:31.420 was also female.

00:58:33.420 My immediate sort of line manager was man, but we basically both had the same boss, which

00:58:38.420 was female.

00:58:39.420 So he was, you know, half a step above me.

00:58:42.420 And so we would talk quite a lot.

00:58:45.420 And it was fine.

00:58:47.420 I mean, these are all perfectly nice ladies.

00:58:49.420 They did their jobs exactly as they are.

00:58:51.420 In fact, I quite liked the department manager.

00:58:55.420 She was very on the ball, very cold-faced to petty things.

00:59:03.420 But one day they had this Women in Leadership conference, and I was like, what?

00:59:09.420 And they were like, yeah, no, no, we're going to have a Women in Leadership conference to

00:59:13.420 try and accelerate the number of women who are getting into positions of leadership.

00:59:17.420 And me and my fellow male grunt co-workers looked at each other and were like, I think

00:59:23.420 you've won.

00:59:24.420 We don't have any male bosses.

00:59:26.420 But this went ahead and I was just like, isn't that wrong?

00:59:29.420 Are we discriminating on gender?

00:59:31.420 Because I was a very blue-pilled normie at the time.

00:59:34.420 I was like, should we be discriminating on gender?

00:59:36.420 That's not right, is it?

00:59:37.420 And they were like, no, it's totally fine.

00:59:39.420 And that's it.

00:59:40.420 And I think that's why I ended up getting fired from that job.

00:59:42.420 You were fired?

00:59:43.420 It wasn't directly because of that.

00:59:45.420 But that then put me on the sort of, oh, we're watching you now.

00:59:49.420 And I didn't do anything wrong.

00:59:51.420 But they basically decided you're not the right fit for this place, and I got fired.

00:59:56.420 And I was like, right, okay.

00:59:57.420 You know, there was nothing wrong with my work.

00:59:59.420 What were the grounds then?

01:00:00.420 You know, I don't even know, actually.

01:00:03.420 You just didn't renew your contract?

01:00:04.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:05.420 Essentially, yes.

01:00:06.420 And I was just like, right, okay.

01:00:09.420 That's weird.

01:00:10.420 But they didn't even make me work out the end of the contract either.

01:00:14.420 So it was just like, it was very clearly a personal thing.

01:00:16.420 When they had obviously identified me as, oh, he's questioning what would become the woke order.

01:00:22.420 We'll just, you know, get him out of the thing.

01:00:25.420 And I was like, okay, that's really weird.

01:00:27.420 Because I'd worked really hard.

01:00:29.420 I'd been part of a project where I was doing loads of extra hours just to get a website from one system to another, basically.

01:00:37.420 And I was doing lots of dog work, really.

01:00:39.420 But I'd worked really hard, and I was really good at my job.

01:00:42.420 And that didn't matter at all.

01:00:44.420 It was suddenly, oh, enemy, you know, was going to shh and say, okay.

01:00:50.420 I don't know if there was a specific thing that read, as it were, well, I do know.

01:00:54.420 It was when I was about 15, and I was doing work experience as a solicitor's office.

01:01:01.420 And I was very interested in the fact that there was about to be an election.

01:01:04.420 In 97, there would be the following year there would be an election.

01:01:07.420 And it would be this big election, so Labour would win.

01:01:10.420 And there were all these different political parties standing because you only had to fill 50 seats to get a party election broadcast.

01:01:16.420 And I found this very interesting.

01:01:18.420 And so I wrote off to the different, in those days, you know, through the telephone directory, the different political parties.

01:01:23.420 I rang them up, and they sent me their information packs.

01:01:26.420 And then I wrote a sort of book about a summary of each of the political parties, what they stood for in their history.

01:01:31.420 And then I sold it around the school for 50p.

01:01:33.420 And my first venture into publishing, a number of teachers bought it or whatever.

01:01:37.420 And one of those parties was, well, obviously, you can guess which one.

01:01:42.420 And they had a sort of a bookshop where you could buy pamphlets, essentially, and books.

01:01:49.420 And I purchased three books.

01:01:50.420 Well, two of them that stick in my mind were IQ and the Race Problem, one was called.

01:01:55.420 Yeah.

01:01:56.420 And the other one was, oh, sorry, cut that out.

01:01:59.420 And the other one was called The Biology of Racial Differences.

01:02:02.420 So we'll cut this bit out.

01:02:03.420 So we'll stop this bit.

01:02:04.420 Okay.

01:02:05.420 I read similar experience.

01:02:07.420 And I read these various books, and they indicated to me various pieces of information which are, shall we say,

01:02:14.420 not widely discussed in wider society for reasons of political correctness, but like that.

01:02:20.420 Yeah.

01:02:21.420 And this opened my eyes to the fact that, hang on, there are things that I'm not being told.

01:02:28.420 There's a different viewpoint on things.

01:02:31.420 So the viewpoint that I'm being informed about.

01:02:36.420 And this is so controversial that you may have noticed that I've used various euphemisms for this, even in this interview.

01:02:43.420 I'm surprised those books were even carried by the library.

01:02:46.420 They weren't carried by the library.

01:02:47.420 They were carried by this political party.

01:02:49.420 Ah, right.

01:02:50.420 Ah, right.

01:02:51.420 On their sort of own little sort of, as it were, bookshop.

01:02:55.420 Right.

01:02:56.420 And so, okay.

01:02:57.420 And for some reason I was able to suppress that information until much older.

01:03:03.420 I don't know quite why, but I was.

01:03:05.420 I was able to not talk about it and not discuss it until I was a postgraduate.

01:03:10.420 And then I just noticed the insanity of how, like for me to get a PhD place, you had to work hard, get good grades, whatever, get funding.

01:03:20.420 And for foreigners, they just let them in because they paid fees.

01:03:24.420 Isn't it a kind of subconscious admission of what's in these books is at least valid to talk about if they act differently towards different races and employ different standards?

01:03:37.420 Yes.

01:03:38.420 I mean, it is.

01:03:39.420 Yeah.

01:03:40.420 That they have to do so.

01:03:42.420 They wouldn't have to do so otherwise.

01:03:45.420 Yeah.

01:03:46.420 And another instance, well, I was already pretty much clear on what I thought by then, was that I was put up for this job at the University of Manchester, it was, lecturing religious studies.

01:03:58.420 And the idea was that I would do field work with mosques and things.

01:04:05.420 And I didn't get the job.

01:04:07.420 And I was told, like by someone that was in the department, that we would have given you the job and you were the best qualified, you were the best, but it was felt that we should give the job to an Asian woman.

01:04:16.420 Yeah.

01:04:17.420 Well, there we go.

01:04:18.420 So it was like absolutely clear.

01:04:19.420 And then he told me this confidentially.

01:04:20.420 He didn't write it down.

01:04:21.420 Yeah.

01:04:22.420 So I was like, what?

01:04:24.420 And it was felt there was this Asian woman out there.

01:04:27.420 And this is something that's in every institution.

01:04:31.420 I mean, do you remember the RAF complaining the briefing was leaked or something like that?

01:04:38.420 And they were complaining they were getting useless straight white men applying.

01:04:41.420 Useless.

01:04:42.420 Yeah.

01:04:43.420 Useless straight white men applying to be pilots, which I'm sure isn't going to be so useless when the war with Russia becomes a hot war.

01:04:49.420 But they were complaining about it because, of course, it doesn't help them hit the diversity targets.

01:04:53.420 And I think it was Cheshire police were successfully sued by a young man for racial discrimination because they didn't hire him because he was white.

01:05:02.420 Yeah, but it was quite recent, wasn't it?

01:05:03.420 It was, yeah.

01:05:04.420 Yeah, yeah.

01:05:05.420 And Cheshire, I should emphasize, overwhelmingly white.

01:05:08.420 Yeah.

01:05:09.420 98% white.

01:05:10.420 Yeah.

01:05:11.420 But he's not helping them hit the diversity targets.

01:05:13.420 Yeah.

01:05:14.420 So you have clearly this two-tier system and young people are aware of it.

01:05:18.420 And young people...

01:05:19.420 Well, they live in it.

01:05:20.420 They live in it, yeah.

01:05:21.420 And they're told, I knew a case of a woman who messed up her A-levels.

01:05:26.420 And she went to one of the London University colleges, but she wasn't able to do certain philosophy courses because of her A-levels.

01:05:33.420 Right.

01:05:34.420 But then the different demographic of pupils, which were A-levels, were allowed to do those

01:05:39.420 same courses.

01:05:40.420 Well, they're not useless, are they?

01:05:42.420 So...

01:05:43.420 They hit diversity targets.

01:05:44.420 Right.

01:05:45.420 And when she questioned this, she was told about her privilege and so on.

01:05:49.420 Yeah.

01:05:50.420 Well, what privilege?

01:05:51.420 She went to state school.

01:05:52.420 She...

01:05:53.420 And she's being told she's literally not allowed to do this course because of the current skin.

01:05:56.420 And you can't do this course, but yet these people can.

01:05:58.420 Yeah.

01:05:59.420 So it's clear discrimination.

01:06:00.420 And I suppose, yeah, when this is at a much more formative age, because it would be unthinkable...

01:06:04.420 Oh, it would never have happened.

01:06:06.420 I can't even imagine it.

01:06:08.420 Can't imagine that.

01:06:09.420 Yeah.

01:06:10.420 And yet they're dealing with that.

01:06:11.420 So they're inviting this reaction, which is why I think, if I go back to my book, Woke

01:06:16.420 Eugenics, this is the point.

01:06:18.420 Wokeness is...

01:06:19.420 It's almost on some level that woke people have been selected for to help bring themselves

01:06:28.420 down, to help bring about a situation where this build of mutation, as manifested in extreme

01:06:34.420 wokeness, brings down all of the things upon which these people are reliant, such as free

01:06:39.420 healthcare, because they'll have health problems, or whatever.

01:06:42.420 It's all of this.

01:06:43.420 They will bring it down and create harsher conditions, which will make people be more

01:06:49.420 ethnocentric, more conservative, bring themselves together, create a sort of a separate way of

01:06:55.420 doing things.

01:06:56.420 And they're bringing this about.

01:06:59.420 They're bringing this about through just going too far.

01:07:03.420 Through going from having a sort of over-representation of...

01:07:09.420 It's always ramped up more, because it's competitive signaling, and it will carry on until there's

01:07:13.420 a wall.

01:07:14.420 And that wall is financial.

01:07:15.420 People don't want to watch rubbish films, or that wall induces protest, or whatever,

01:07:20.420 but it will carry on.

01:07:21.420 Or it can be actually practical, as in the competency crisis.

01:07:23.420 As in the competency crisis, yeah.

01:07:25.420 As in buildings falling down in Miami.

01:07:27.420 Yeah.

01:07:28.420 Planes falling out of the sky.

01:07:29.420 Yeah.

01:07:30.420 Bits being blown off planes in mid-air, and by the same companies that state, oh, we're very

01:07:35.420 proud of that.

01:07:36.420 Oh, yes.

01:07:37.420 The university is becoming a laughing stock, and people, increasingly, it's happening.

01:07:40.420 Employers, they don't even bother.

01:07:41.420 They've got a degree.

01:07:42.420 I don't care.

01:07:43.420 We will set up our own test.

01:07:45.420 We don't care anymore.

01:07:46.420 And that's when it starts to change.

01:07:48.420 That's when it's interesting, and that's happening.

01:07:50.420 I also...

01:07:51.420 Sorry, just a quick thing.

01:07:52.420 Just to go back to the students, because I do find this interesting, because it sounds

01:07:56.420 like you're introducing an element of optimism into all of this.

01:08:00.420 As in the future, it's not going to get better any time soon, but in the sort of near term,

01:08:08.420 not necessarily the short term, we might be able to look forward to resistance, shall

01:08:15.420 we say, from the people who have grown up in a system that's actively hostile to them.

01:08:20.420 Yes.

01:08:21.420 I think...

01:08:22.420 I suspect so.

01:08:23.420 I suspect so.

01:08:24.420 A, for the fact, the reasons that the big predictor among the more intelligent of sterility

01:08:29.420 is wokeness, and so they're literally not pass...

01:08:32.420 Among the more intelligent, that's the important thing, the elites, what the elites do.

01:08:35.420 They're literally not passing on their genes, and that's eventually going to have an heritability

01:08:40.420 of political viewpoint, about 0.6, and a head intelligence, 0.8.

01:08:44.420 And B, that wokeness is then, at the cultural level, just pissing them off so much, creating

01:08:50.420 this in-group bonding effect, this breakaway effect.

01:08:55.420 And also, it just becomes that being rebellious is cool.

01:08:58.420 It's no longer rebellious to be gay or something.

01:09:00.420 That's the opposite of rebellious.

01:09:02.420 It's rebellious.

01:09:03.420 You used to have, in the 80s, that you'd have to have secret gay pubs or whatever.

01:09:07.420 Well, now it's secret right-wing conferences.

01:09:10.420 Which is literally what we did last weekend.

01:09:13.420 Exactly, exactly.

01:09:14.420 And even then...

01:09:15.420 And so that becomes a bit edgy and a bit interesting, which is attractive to young people.

01:09:20.420 And as you say, then eventually it gets momentum, and eventually things sort of push back.

01:09:24.420 And then when you have the social chameleon, like Tony Blair, who always wants to be on the

01:09:29.420 side of power, realising that he can see, he can smell, he's so skilled.

01:09:34.420 You're not predicting base Tony Blair, are you?

01:09:36.420 A little bit, yeah.

01:09:38.420 It's moving that way.

01:09:41.420 And the other thing is that people always ask me for these timelines, which is annoying,

01:09:45.420 because it's very, very hard to predict.

01:09:46.420 Who can know?

01:09:47.420 No.

01:09:48.420 But all I can say is that everything seems to be happening more quickly than I thought.

01:09:51.420 Yes.

01:09:52.420 So with the book I wrote in 2017, published 2018, Adol Witt's End, I predicted things like

01:09:58.420 planes falling out of the sky, and basically the competency class.

01:10:01.420 We literally predicted it, and we're seeing it.

01:10:04.420 But we didn't think it would happen yet.

01:10:06.420 We were thinking it would be happening 20 years from now.

01:10:09.420 A generation, yeah.

01:10:10.420 And no, it's already happening.

01:10:11.420 Yeah.

01:10:12.420 And then even if I think about the book I wrote, The Past and Future Country, about the

01:10:16.420 Neo-Byzantium, this idea of a serious backlash from the coming together of base intelligent

01:10:22.420 people.

01:10:23.420 We talked about this.

01:10:24.420 We thought, it's kind of seemingly already happening, as was manifested in the nature of

01:10:28.420 that conference.

01:10:29.420 And so therefore, I wouldn't be so surprised if the backlash, which I would be thinking would

01:10:34.420 happen 10 years from now or something, would actually...

01:10:37.420 So it strikes me that the average person might be thinking, what can I do to contribute?

01:10:44.420 And it seems that the change comes when the old order seems low status and plebeian.

01:10:53.420 So woke needs to be seen as low status, because of course at the moment it's all being pushed

01:10:58.420 by the elites, and therefore it's seen high status.

01:11:00.420 But now it's arriving in the schools, and so you've got, like you were saying earlier,

01:11:04.420 the lower status of teaching is not a respectable profession.

01:11:09.420 It's a good point actually, because you've got to a point where, when I was last in Swindon,

01:11:13.420 in a particular bar, some very low status people overheard and criticised me for what

01:11:21.420 I had said, because it was not PC.

01:11:24.420 So that's showing you how far the trickle effect, how far down society it's gone.

01:11:30.420 It's gone down to the kind of slightly insecure working class person, who being insecure will

01:11:35.420 sort of middle classness idea signal.

01:11:38.420 It's got down that far, so therefore it can become low status.

01:11:43.420 Yeah.

01:11:44.420 Well, that's the thing I'm kind of optimistic about.

01:11:47.420 Because, of course, if you're a young person who's been discriminating against, by a low status

01:11:52.420 ideology, well, what's the appeal in it at all for you?

01:11:57.420 You can become the interesting, edgy, subversive, right-wing vanguard that other people would

01:12:04.420 be looking to and go, oh, that looks pretty awesome.

01:12:07.420 Maybe I'm interested in that now.

01:12:09.420 Yes, exactly.

01:12:10.420 And I think that that is what George Simmel's model, the trickle effect, and indeed you

01:12:15.420 can go back further, Thorstein-Webb-Lehm, whatever, precisely predicts the right-wing

01:12:20.420 always have to stay ahead of the game.

01:12:22.420 Now, how this has been, sorry, the elite always have to stay ahead of the game.

01:12:25.420 And what that has been until now is, oh, ever more woke, ever more woke, ever more woke.

01:12:29.420 But once ever more woke gets into the realm of, like, legalising paedophilia or something,

01:12:34.420 which is basically the next step, well, we can't get more woke.

01:12:37.420 We really can't.

01:12:38.420 I don't see how we've done it.

01:12:39.420 We've reached a peak and there's financial consequences to when people are rebelling.

01:12:42.420 And so you can see how there could then be this flip where, and the genetics would predict this,

01:12:47.420 of an elite right-wing that begins to emerge.

01:12:49.420 And once that happens, then it is a high-status belief and everything's inversive.

01:12:55.420 Especially, sorry, I don't know why I'm so phlegmy today.

01:12:58.420 I'm coming down with something.

01:13:00.420 Especially if there's this kind of natural selection effect, right?

01:13:04.420 So, like you're saying, if they end up sterilising themselves and have a movement based around sterilising themselves

01:13:11.420 in some fashion, not necessarily directly, well, those people who don't want that

01:13:17.420 are obviously going to not only be repulsed by it, but are going to look for something that promises a future.

01:13:23.420 And this just improves the status effect of the right-wing.

01:13:26.420 Yes.

01:13:27.420 So we're actually...

01:13:29.420 It's going to get worse before it gets better, but it is going to get better, probably.

01:13:33.420 This is what I suspect, yes.

01:13:35.420 I think there's going to be a kind of acceleration as well.

01:13:37.420 You could argue that's what Zero Seats was about.

01:13:39.420 Oh, yeah.

01:13:40.420 And in a way, that's what's good about it, because the mask is off.

01:13:42.420 Yes.

01:13:43.420 The riots meant that the mask is off.

01:13:45.420 These people hate you.

01:13:46.420 Yes.

01:13:47.420 They hate you.

01:13:48.420 Yes.

01:13:49.420 And they're your enemies.

01:13:50.420 And you're their enemies.

01:13:52.420 And so...

01:13:53.420 Just a quick thing on that.

01:13:55.420 The fact that Starmer politicised the riots so quickly, I think, was very interesting.

01:14:00.420 On the very first day, he called them far right.

01:14:02.420 That's a political position he's ascribing to people he didn't know who they were.

01:14:06.420 Ostensibly, the average person was thinking, well, that people are annoyed about the stabbing.

01:14:12.420 But if Starmer's come out and say, no, they're not.

01:14:15.420 They're political opponents.

01:14:17.420 That's good for the accelerationist thesis, because that's him declaring his colours.

01:14:21.420 No, I'm against you, and you're against the stabbing.

01:14:24.420 So, de facto, I'm pro-stabbing, is what he said to them.

01:14:27.420 I am pro the system that permits the stabbing to take place.

01:14:30.420 Yeah.

01:14:31.420 Which boils down to, in their minds, he wants kids stabbed.

01:14:34.420 Yes, which, I mean...

01:14:37.420 One could argue, what are the conclusions could one come to?

01:14:40.420 You know perfectly well that if you let loads and loads of these people into the country,

01:14:43.420 you will get stabbings and you will get the abuses of young women.

01:14:46.420 You know that.

01:14:47.420 And when people object to that, you object to the objections.

01:14:49.420 You say, how dare you object?

01:14:51.420 Don't look back at anger.

01:14:53.420 You're a racist.

01:14:55.420 You're racist.

01:14:56.420 You're far right.

01:14:58.420 And the thing is, if you overuse that term, which they have done, racist,

01:15:02.420 it's just water off a duck's back.

01:15:04.420 It's like, well, as a Dominic Frisbee said, we're all far right now.

01:15:08.420 Yeah.

01:15:09.420 Everything is far right.

01:15:10.420 Swimming pools are far right.

01:15:11.420 The countryside is far right.

01:15:12.420 Toilets are far right.

01:15:13.420 Everything is far right.

01:15:15.420 And so, eventually, the whole thing...

01:15:17.420 That's not really true.

01:15:18.420 It's just ludicrous, and they've brought it upon themselves.

01:15:22.420 What annoys me is that I've been saying this since I was about 23, and here I am 43,

01:15:29.420 and only now are we seeing the beginnings of change.

01:15:31.420 It's ridiculous.

01:15:32.420 I mean...

01:15:33.420 I do think social media is responsible for this.

01:15:35.420 It's a tremendous solvent for social ideas.

01:15:39.420 It allows things to happen far quicker that were going to happen anyway, I think.

01:15:43.420 So, you know, it's been nice to see the right-wing revolution in our lifetimes.

01:15:47.420 I think we will, though, because every prediction I've made in terms of has been too far into the future.

01:15:55.420 Yeah.

01:15:56.420 So, something tells me that I've been wrong so far about the years in which these things will happen.

01:16:02.420 So, it's just going to take a number of other southports, which, of course, will occur.

01:16:11.420 And, of course, will occur.

01:16:12.420 Yeah.

01:16:13.420 Unfortunately.

01:16:14.420 But, right, I think that's probably...

01:16:15.420 I mean, aside from the inevitable murders that are going to happen, at least a note of optimism there.

01:16:21.420 Yes.

01:16:22.420 A great pill.

01:16:23.420 Yeah.

01:16:24.420 It won't go on forever.

01:16:25.420 It's not going to be good in the immediate future.

01:16:27.420 But, I mean, we don't want to predict a particular...

01:16:29.420 I was going to say in a decade or something.

01:16:31.420 But, who knows?

01:16:32.420 It might be a lot faster than that.

01:16:33.420 We don't know.

01:16:34.420 Might be next time to do.

01:16:35.420 Yeah.

01:16:36.420 Who knows?

01:16:37.420 But, Professor Dutton, thank you so much for joining us.

01:16:38.420 Pleasure to talk to you again.

01:16:39.420 If people want to find more from you, where can they go?

01:16:40.420 They can go on YouTube, the Jolly Heretic.

01:16:43.420 And they can go to my sub-stack, jollyheretic.com, where I put things I don't put on YouTube.

01:16:48.420 And they can support me if they want to, for the cost of a pint of beer a month.

01:16:51.420 There's interesting films and things like this, including one with Carl.

01:16:53.420 Indeed.

01:16:54.420 And you can get my books.

01:16:55.420 I've written about 22 of them, I think, on Amazon.

01:16:59.420 And, yeah.

01:17:01.420 So, I did a live show on Mondays at 7pm UK time.

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - September 28, 2024

Is Woke a Eugenic Event？｜ Interview with Professor Ed Dutton

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