The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - It's Conference Season!

00:00:00.000 Hi folks, welcome to another one of our political chats. I'm joined by Dan and today we're going

00:00:04.660 to be talking about conference season. Everyone loves conference season if you're someone who

00:00:09.400 deals with politics on a professional basis because stuff happens at conferences. Have you

00:00:14.500 ever been to one? No, I've been to the UKIP one years ago. I went to a couple of the Tory ones

00:00:21.540 a long time ago. How were they? Well, it's like being surrounded by a sea of grey. It's like

00:00:28.300 It's like these days going to a reformed rally, yes.

00:00:32.440 Well, interestingly, we will be covering the Conservatives and the Greens

00:00:36.660 and what's come out of their party conferences.

00:00:39.800 One is less concerned about the environment

00:00:41.920 and the other is less concerned about racism,

00:00:44.180 which is a weird thing to have come out of this.

00:00:47.340 Yes, blue and green should not be seen except on a Gypsy Queen,

00:00:50.820 although I note that that's the colours I'm wearing,

00:00:52.540 so I didn't follow my own advice.

00:00:54.840 Or you may be coming out here or something.

00:00:57.760 Anyway, let's have a look at the polls.

00:01:00.600 Now, the polls are not good for anyone, really.

00:01:04.160 Burn and bounce seems to have levelled off.

00:01:07.460 Reform have gained no ground.

00:01:09.140 The Conservatives have dipped down to 17.

00:01:10.900 The Greens are still on, well, dipped down to about 10.

00:01:14.300 Lib Dems on 9.

00:01:15.440 Restore Britain, SNP and the Plaid are on 3-2-1, respectively.

00:01:19.140 I don't know where the extra, where those bits have...

00:01:22.160 Can you scan back a couple?

00:01:23.460 Have the Tories ever gone below 17%?

00:01:26.320 Oh, God, no.

00:01:26.760 So there was a 16% there somewhere?

00:01:30.680 Let's see, of all time.

00:01:33.260 They got down to 17...

00:01:36.120 I'm just wondering, is 17 the floor?

00:01:38.320 No, 17 is the lowest the Conservatives have ever been.

00:01:41.520 So they have a boom of floor and it's 17%.

00:01:44.620 Yeah, in the Politico poll of polls that goes back to 2014,

00:01:49.980 they've never been as low as they are now.

00:01:53.540 Right.

00:01:53.820 They have matched that in other parts.

00:01:56.980 So, for example, in fact, this is a good place to begin, actually.

00:02:00.960 You'll see here, if we go back to November 2025,

00:02:03.820 the Conservatives are on 17%, Reformer on 30%.

00:02:07.060 Oh, sorry, no, they did.

00:02:08.520 They did hit 16% there, right?

00:02:11.400 So Reformer on 31%, the Conservatives are on 16%.

00:02:14.960 Okay, that 16% could be a measuring error.

00:02:17.820 Basically, Paulies can't go below 17%.

00:02:21.340 Well, I mean, I'm sure it could go below 17%,

00:02:24.440 but it's not normal.

00:02:25.900 In a nuclear war, maybe, but...

00:02:27.240 Well, yeah, it's not normal for them to go below 17%.

00:02:30.460 I mean, it's not normal for them to get to this point anyway.

00:02:32.720 They've never had an election, a general election,

00:02:34.960 where they've got less than 30% of the vote.

00:02:37.100 So this is one of those things where it's like,

00:02:40.420 okay, why is the Conservative Party conference so optimistic?

00:02:46.480 One of the repeated...

00:02:48.360 I've been listening to all of the mainstream channels,

00:02:52.100 you know, LBC, Radio 4, looking at what the BBC is saying.

00:02:56.900 And the message that's coming out of this,

00:02:59.420 the atmosphere is overwhelmingly and profoundly optimistic

00:03:02.520 because of the decline of reform, right?

00:03:05.240 Because if you go back to here,

00:03:07.160 the Conservatives are 14 points behind reform.

00:03:11.780 And fast forward to now, there are only five points.

00:03:15.660 Well, good news is always relative, isn't it?

00:03:17.540 I mean, if I discovered that I had, I don't know, cancer or something,

00:03:21.980 and I thought, oh, bugger, I'm going to die.

00:03:24.880 And then after a year, a doctor came to me and said,

00:03:28.200 well, obviously you're dying, but it's going to take longer than we thought.

00:03:31.840 I would be quite happy at that point.

00:03:33.200 Yeah, that would be good news.

00:03:34.040 Because good news is relative.

00:03:35.640 And I think that's what's going on with the Tories.

00:03:37.100 I agree.

00:03:37.760 Because they're acting as if everything's going brilliantly for the Tories.

00:03:41.920 Actually, no, things are not going great for reform.

00:03:44.800 That's the problem.

00:03:47.540 reform have helped them out they they really really have uh so yeah the the the the atmosphere

00:03:55.920 at the tory party conference is one of uh hopefulness and optimism and they think right

00:04:00.860 great we can get back in the driving seat and i in fact on radio four i heard one of them

00:04:05.800 uh saying reporting from the conference oh we're returning to two-party politics

00:04:10.740 you're the third party well okay i mean maybe maybe the country is returning to two-party

00:04:18.240 politics i can believe that this is a a temporary junction in british political history but you're

00:04:25.940 not in it i don't i mean as it should be obviously yeah so yeah obviously so i mean the the thing

00:04:34.200 that we've noticed with kemi though um obviously the uh party was flatlining over the past couple

00:04:39.500 of years um but she has stemmed the bleeding and as you say about 17 18 percent on average is uh

00:04:46.800 where the conservative floor appears to be with kemi badenock um and so they're very happy with

00:04:53.660 kemi badenock um as you can see here they've done a parody of the bayou tapestry here kemi doth

00:05:00.700 become leader and everyone's thrilled i mean if the bbc ever make a documentary about the tapestry

00:05:08.200 They probably would put somebody who looks like Kemi in it.

00:05:11.380 They would.

00:05:12.560 Probably as King Harold, a black woman.

00:05:14.980 Quite possibly.

00:05:16.840 But the weird sort of unvarnished praise and cult of Kemi

00:05:22.520 that has taken over the Conservative Party is really interesting.

00:05:25.280 So it's almost fetish-like.

00:05:27.060 Oh, it definitely is.

00:05:28.400 I mean, Tim Stanley's mummy is putting her boot in now.

00:05:33.240 um but we'll get to the weird fetishization of conservatives being stamped on in a bit um so

00:05:40.460 anyway yeah kemi has very very definitely turned into her party right jenrick's out so la braveman's

00:05:45.360 out anyone who could have been a challenger is out um they don't know what else to do because

00:05:50.140 they were on a downward trajectory and she was the only person who stepped up and provided them

00:05:56.540 with that kind of Margaret Thatcher mummy-knows-best atmosphere.

00:06:02.300 And this is something that is like a profound weirdness

00:06:05.900 in the Conservative Party,

00:06:07.460 how they are a bunch of mummy's boys

00:06:09.860 and they want their mums to take over.

00:06:12.280 They kind of have to be,

00:06:13.600 because if you're a political party

00:06:14.820 and your only asset is like your leader,

00:06:17.840 your one person...

00:06:19.820 I mean, put it this way,

00:06:20.640 I'll put you on the spot.

00:06:22.400 You follow politics all day long,

00:06:23.980 then you go home and you follow politics

00:06:25.840 and you even make extra videos about politics.

00:06:27.780 You follow politics all the time.

00:06:29.240 I have to.

00:06:29.580 Right, quick find.

00:06:30.380 Name three other Tories.

00:06:31.980 Jacob, well, MPs.

00:06:33.820 Yes.

00:06:35.340 Front benchers.

00:06:37.420 Right, there we go.

00:06:37.980 I've made my point.

00:06:38.540 I know you could get there,

00:06:42.060 but the point is you follow politics all day long.

00:06:44.460 I absolutely could.

00:06:45.340 I absolutely could name them.

00:06:47.620 I just would need to go double-check something

00:06:50.620 because it's knowing whether they are still in the party,

00:06:54.960 still an MP.

00:06:55.480 I'm sure that Priti Patel is still an MP, but I might be wrong.

00:07:02.080 I might be wrong.

00:07:03.380 She might not be an MP.

00:07:04.480 I think she is still an MP.

00:07:05.800 I don't know whether she's a frontbencher or not,

00:07:07.600 because obviously there's been a lot of chaos in the Conservative Party.

00:07:10.080 The point is, right, you're not heir apparent to government,

00:07:13.080 but somebody who followed politics all day long goes, uh.

00:07:16.840 Weirdly, the Conservatives have very few stars these days.

00:07:20.600 Well, they've got one.

00:07:21.580 Yeah, and it's a glorious leader.

00:07:23.360 um and this is this is not something i'm the only person who's noticed but one one thing that did

00:07:30.040 come out of the conservative conference uh that was quite interesting was jeremy clarkson actually

00:07:35.500 uh jeremy clarkson decided at the tory party at the tory party conference i thought this was ai

00:07:41.420 when i first saw this well no jeremy clarkson went to the conservative party when he's got that

00:07:47.320 charlie chap although i mean they're probably doing a panel about the countryside so i guess

00:07:52.320 he would do that.

00:07:53.260 They did a panel about fun.

00:07:56.300 So Clarkson, interestingly,

00:07:58.820 you know he lives in Oxford.

00:08:00.220 Yes.

00:08:01.240 He was next door neighbours

00:08:02.200 to David Cameron

00:08:02.980 for quite a few years.

00:08:04.040 Yes.

00:08:04.740 And he was quite friendly

00:08:06.500 towards the Tories then.

00:08:07.720 And I think he was still on Top Gear

00:08:10.620 when he had,

00:08:11.840 might have been Cameron

00:08:12.960 he actually had on,

00:08:14.040 or he was somebody like that.

00:08:15.020 Anyway, so he was quite favourable

00:08:17.040 from the world.

00:08:17.600 I thought that he's been drifting.

00:08:19.840 Well, I thought so too.

00:08:20.880 I mean, apparently, Caleb works on Rupert Lowe's farm,

00:08:26.740 does some work for Rupert Lowe and things like this.

00:08:29.420 So I was like, okay, well, you know, who knows, obviously.

00:08:35.840 He's like the old Kung Fu master,

00:08:37.600 but he hasn't quite reached John Cleese levels yet.

00:08:40.600 I guess not, yeah.

00:08:41.400 John Cleese, by the way, at the Restore Party conference,

00:08:44.960 John Cleese just came out and was like, yeah, Rupert Lowe's the man.

00:08:47.240 Yes.

00:08:48.160 He Zoom called in, but we're not covering us today.

00:08:50.880 Anyway, so as lots of people are observing,

00:08:56.340 Kemi Badenock is way more secure in the party than she was a year ago.

00:08:59.200 She's seen off all the threats,

00:09:01.100 and she's made the conservatives very dependent on her personally

00:09:06.020 for their position.

00:09:07.300 It's not a great position, but as Luke Trill,

00:09:10.020 the director of More in Common, says,

00:09:12.160 right now, Kemi is the only thing that's holding them up.

00:09:14.640 If they ditched her, I think they'd be certain for electoral oblivion.

00:09:18.620 So they've got a very, and Nigel Farage was right,

00:09:21.300 they're not really a national party anymore.

00:09:23.340 What they are is a kind of southeastern boomer party.

00:09:26.240 Well, they did win that one seat in Scotland,

00:09:28.080 so they've got their pocket.

00:09:29.320 Yeah, but I didn't look into that very deeply,

00:09:31.560 but I feel that's something to do with the local environment.

00:09:35.360 Right.

00:09:35.720 Rather than...

00:09:36.460 It'll be oil then.

00:09:37.400 Yeah, oil and the relative distance of like the SNP

00:09:41.580 and things like this, right?

00:09:43.180 And the fact that Farage never does well in Scotland

00:09:46.080 because he's too England-coded.

00:09:48.360 Anyway, right, moving on.

00:09:50.760 Savation have done quite an interesting write-up here.

00:09:54.400 I was very good.

00:09:55.140 I didn't say there's no way that you can accuse Kemi

00:09:57.660 of being England-coded, but I didn't say it, so I'm good.

00:10:05.180 Kemi Beynok actually represents basically everything

00:10:07.580 the Conservatives want.

00:10:08.500 It's like, I want to be dominated by a strong foreign woman.

00:10:11.740 Yes.

00:10:12.160 Is the Conservative literally the expressly stated position

00:10:15.920 of the Conservatives, as we'll get into shortly.

00:10:18.820 So anyway, Kimmy Beignock is doing personally pretty well

00:10:21.940 out of all of this.

00:10:24.280 The party's vote share, of course, is not doing brilliantly,

00:10:27.760 and the worst vote share they'd ever won was 30.7 in 1997,

00:10:32.400 when Tony Blair absolutely walloped them.

00:10:35.460 So, well, that was the worst previous.

00:10:40.360 And then in 2024, they got 23.7, which is pretty damn awful.

00:10:45.160 and now they're on like 18, 19% on average

00:10:48.160 with this current dip 17%.

00:10:50.380 So not brilliant, right?

00:10:52.360 They would, as Luke points out, finish third behind Labour and reform

00:10:57.540 if the current polling is projected to be correct.

00:11:01.180 The problem is the current polling is all over the place.

00:11:03.600 Sure, sure.

00:11:05.300 When I've looked at some,

00:11:07.000 because there was a big MRP poll we covered last time,

00:11:09.820 but you can take the other polls

00:11:10.960 and you can kind of do a rough estimate around it

00:11:13.140 And reform come out anywhere between 100 and 150 seats on most of them.

00:11:17.740 Yes.

00:11:18.160 It's all over the shop.

00:11:19.280 It is.

00:11:19.840 And you are right to point that out.

00:11:21.740 But the point is, it's very likely they would be third.

00:11:26.400 So, not brilliant.

00:11:29.500 And what's interesting is only a third of Kemi Bednock's people who actually like her

00:11:35.000 would actually vote for the party in an election.

00:11:38.160 so even though she personally is relatively popular and even then i don't really know how

00:11:45.720 popular this is i mean i should have got her approval rating after this um but she's about

00:11:49.300 28 in uh approval about 36 disapproving and then about 28 don't really know who she is

00:11:56.960 although the remaining percentage about don't really know who she is so it you know neutral

00:12:01.880 or undecided so she's got a lot of ground that she could make up but she has been the leader of

00:12:06.820 the Conservative Party for well over a year now why has she not made this up why she not made an

00:12:11.780 impact on these voters as Dominic Cummings put it just no one cares about the Conservatives anymore

00:12:16.520 we just I mean how often do we end up talking about them very irregularly in fact that was

00:12:21.400 one of the reasons I decided to focus on the Tories now because you mentioned the other day

00:12:25.120 well they just don't really come up it's like yeah why don't they come up what are they doing

00:12:28.320 you you covered Lib Dems a couple of weeks ago so you just thought I'm going to really

00:12:32.380 reach the bottom of the barrel and get to the tories and the greens yes yes i mean why not

00:12:37.280 does this article i mean i haven't seen this article does it by any chance say that basically

00:12:41.140 all our voters are over 70 no but we already know right we already know that the the conservative

00:12:47.140 vote is um the tim stanley's of the world and then a bunch of pensioners yes so obviously when

00:12:53.760 labor came out and actually quite sensibly said look we need to do something about this triple

00:12:57.420 lot guys the conservatives yes freaked out about it yeah and they were probably thrilled they're

00:13:02.680 probably brilliant we can definitely secure our pensioner vote here and of course Nigel Farage

00:13:06.380 came out and did the same thing but who cares so one thing that was really interesting here

00:13:11.140 is supermarket preferences right now on average Restore Britain was getting seven percent in this

00:13:17.000 poll because uh there was more in common uh went to various supermarkets and were just like who

00:13:22.460 you voting for so marks and spencers they're conservative voters mostly sainsbury's conservative

00:13:29.060 labor waitrose labor of course they are waitress oh yeah very very upmarket super well i go to

00:13:36.680 waitrose rich people vote labor oh okay tesco's also labor which surprised me morrison hang on

00:13:44.680 tesco's is toy isn't it oh no sorry oh the name is at the top oh right yeah oh labor dominates

00:13:50.920 on shoppers well it does in waitrose and tesco's in morrison's it's reform in asda it's labor

00:13:56.660 in aldi it is also labor but i can't but notice that 12 percent of aldi shoppers vote for reform

00:14:02.280 every store okay which is nothing on heaven or earth could compel me to go to aldi or little

00:14:06.980 you know aldi's not that bad i've had to go there recently normally i go to sainsbury's or

00:14:13.460 asda but um it's just what's proximal are they the ones that look like a prison when you're

00:14:19.900 trying to get out they they funnel you through the because i went into one once and thought i'm

00:14:24.740 never doing this again um quite possibly i i just can't remember offhand but uh and then little is

00:14:30.980 reformed so it's an interesting sort of class breakdown yes from the uh from the supermarkets

00:14:36.560 i don't know why aldi shoppers are so based though why 12 restore like why are we so over

00:14:43.180 represented in aldi i don't know but uh anyway anyway right so let's let's get into the tory

00:14:48.920 party conference so uh one of the main things that's come out of the tory party conference

00:14:53.740 is them telling us just how not racist they are right yeah now this uh yeah it's just

00:15:00.100 insufferable we'll watch a bit of it but like conservatives as a party are far more focused

00:15:05.260 on aspiration on social mobility as demonstrated by stamp duty and all of those kind of tax

00:15:09.600 discussions we're sitting here having discussions about what tax policy would be best to spur on

00:15:14.360 the aspirations and social mobility of young people, I worry that if reform or restorative

00:15:19.460 were to be having that same conversation, they'd be thinking about exactly what you

00:15:22.220 were saying, Tim, about the ethnic future of the country and that kind of make-up and

00:15:25.780 focusing on a more social perspective, which is, of course, not what we will understand

00:15:30.280 the future to be about.

00:15:31.420 If we look to the future and see a better life and a stable career and a stable home

00:15:35.780 and a stable family, the most important thing is not the colour of the skin of the people

00:15:39.280 living next to you, but rather how much you earn and how much you keep.

00:15:41.920 and i think that order of priorities marks the difference between us and other parties

00:15:46.080 that is fascinating isn't it i mean new tory policy the right to credit check your rapist

00:15:54.320 because the because literally the only thing that matters is how much you're earning all the rest

00:16:03.880 i mean throughout i mean throughout all of human history if if you had your little tribal band

00:16:11.260 and you had some little stanley pop up and he was like yeah those guys over there that when i come

00:16:17.920 in take all our stuff and steal our women actually how many shiny rocks do they have how many flint

00:16:23.820 heads do they have i mean that that guy everybody else would have looked at him and like no you're

00:16:29.020 you're gone you're out mate this is ours and not theirs why are we giving it to them it's like well

00:16:33.560 they've got lots of money i mean i mean just just simply from a biologically coded level how do you

00:16:39.500 get this fetishization i mean what well it's it's the consequence of thatterism right thatterism

00:16:44.440 completely captured the conservative party and she was the last great leader that the conservative

00:16:48.940 party had had so the i mean what when else have the conservatives had a kind of certainty about

00:16:55.720 what they should be doing yeah and a confident woman putting the boot in and stamping on their

00:17:01.600 necks and making them feel dominated so i think that explains the woman thing but i don't know

00:17:06.300 I've got a different explanation for the brown aspect of it,

00:17:10.800 which is, do you remember watching things like Question Time

00:17:15.700 in the early 2000s?

00:17:18.460 No, I wasn't interested in politics in the early 2000s.

00:17:20.080 Well, I did.

00:17:21.520 And what would happen is every episode,

00:17:23.640 and the Labour Party had clearly been briefed

00:17:25.760 that this was their attack line.

00:17:27.200 Right.

00:17:27.920 And they did it for a decade.

00:17:29.820 It was the Tories would complain about immigration

00:17:32.480 because Blair had done a whole bunch of immigration,

00:17:34.760 She was continuing to do a whole bunch of immigration.

00:17:37.220 And the Labour person on the panel would just call the Tory racist

00:17:41.680 like five or six times.

00:17:43.060 It doesn't matter how often it is.

00:17:44.500 And the Tories sat there.

00:17:45.460 And because they are liberals, they would get really uncomfortable about it

00:17:49.840 and say, well, we're not racist.

00:17:50.920 No, that's the worst thing.

00:17:51.640 You can call somebody.

00:17:52.440 Don't call us racist.

00:17:53.660 And eventually they hit upon the idea of why don't we just hire

00:17:57.680 as many non-whites as possible?

00:17:59.280 That's why Kemi Badenoch is currently the leader of the party.

00:18:01.640 They literally put her in place.

00:18:03.120 Now they're not going to be able to call us racist.

00:18:04.760 Yeah, they will return.

00:18:06.040 And so you kind of got a combination of two things.

00:18:08.660 One is the Margaret Thatcher thing, which you were talking about.

00:18:11.120 The other thing is the early 2000s, they got called racist a lot,

00:18:14.040 and they hated it.

00:18:15.960 And basically, like Ghostbusters, the streams crossed,

00:18:20.060 and they ended up with a brown woman as leader.

00:18:24.020 A brown Thatcherite.

00:18:25.680 Because notice that what he has said here is,

00:18:28.340 hang on, isn't my country just a market?

00:18:30.340 Yes.

00:18:30.680 Isn't my country just for sale?

00:18:31.860 Well, now you can understand why the Tories privatized everything

00:18:35.820 and were at the point of like selling the national communications infrastructure

00:18:40.380 to China through Huawei, right?

00:18:42.420 You can understand how that – because, I mean, anyone else who looked at the country

00:18:45.260 as being, oh, this is a collective possession of a people.

00:18:48.660 No, I don't want one of our geopolitical rivals controlling our communications infrastructure, actually.

00:18:53.540 There is a national security issue embedded within this.

00:18:57.420 Which they don't see.

00:18:58.560 Exactly.

00:18:59.140 The Tories do not recognize.

00:19:00.800 Yes.

00:19:00.960 And it's because they just do not recognise that the British people are actually the people who possess this country.

00:19:06.580 Yes, absolutely.

00:19:07.240 They do not accept this.

00:19:08.000 I can even explain why Kemi Behnok is specifically leader.

00:19:13.060 It's because when David Cameron started making the changes, it's like, okay, in order to stop people calling us racist, we're only going to, we want to focus on having non-white candidates.

00:19:21.480 Yeah, we're going to literally stop.

00:19:23.020 I mean, he literally said, the party when I took over was stale, pale and male.

00:19:26.920 I did something to change that.

00:19:28.340 But there's two aspects there.

00:19:29.340 One is that he couldn't fill out the entire party with them

00:19:32.540 because basically there aren't enough non-whites

00:19:34.620 who wanted to join the Conservative.

00:19:36.880 But the other thing that he was doing

00:19:39.040 is he was shifting the party to the left.

00:19:40.540 He was making them more like Lib Dems.

00:19:42.180 So if you turned up to a Conservative selection meeting

00:19:45.660 and you said based right-wing things,

00:19:48.600 they were like,

00:19:49.480 what the hell are you doing trying to join the Conservative Party?

00:19:51.960 They didn't want you.

00:19:52.780 They wanted Alicia Keynes.

00:19:54.200 They wanted people who basically would be centrist

00:19:57.220 if they were in the Labour Party.

00:19:59.340 And so he shifted the party left.

00:20:01.600 But for the non-whites, you could actually be allowed to be conservative.

00:20:08.360 You could actually come into a conservative party selection meeting as a non-white and say actual conservative things and they would still take you.

00:20:18.880 That's how Sweller-Braveman became head secretary.

00:20:21.140 Yes, and that is why the non-whites achieved such prominence in the Tory party.

00:20:28.500 because from from that point forward you have to be a lib dem to be a conservative unless you're

00:20:34.240 non-white so basically you end up in a situation where the most based and right-wing people in the

00:20:40.640 conservative party are also non-white and then when the when the when the members get to listen

00:20:46.340 to these people talk they're like well the only one who's saying the stuff that i like

00:20:50.900 is the non-white candidate and that's why you end up with suella braveman priti patel kemi

00:20:57.060 all rising to the top of the party, Savid Javid, Rishi Sunak, I mean, he was more about the money

00:21:03.640 than anything else, but all the non-white candidates float to the top because they're

00:21:07.300 the only ones in the party saying the things that the members like. So when you come to a leadership

00:21:11.920 election, they get the job. Yep. And this carries on. I mean, Tim Stanley had a great panel here

00:21:18.620 where he just says he's thrilled that basically brown women are dominating British right-wing

00:21:24.440 politics forever the key word there is that he likes the dominating bit yes it is because i

00:21:29.580 think we've got a battle against the far right that needs to be won in this country and the

00:21:33.300 conservative party has a unique opportunity to uh not redefine but reclaim uh the center right

00:21:40.200 from the lunatics uh and there's a very positive story to be told when we're having so many

00:21:45.580 conversations about ethnicity what is english what isn't english about being led by a british

00:21:49.760 Nigerian leader who understands what's flawed about this country, but also loves it, what's

00:21:55.840 flawed about where she came from, but also what she loves about it. And as the country changes,

00:22:00.480 which it is, and people can bemoan that, but it's happened and it ain't going back,

00:22:05.440 I think she's a generational transitional figure that cuts through culturally. And I don't think

00:22:10.920 we should shy away from both the excitement and the pride I personally feel, and people laugh at

00:22:16.280 this, I don't give a damn, but they laugh. I feel proud about the fact that the country is being

00:22:20.420 led by a generation of people who, of a change in ethnicity. I'm very happy to see that being

00:22:28.720 reflected. It doesn't bother me at all, and I'm happy about it. So I'm keen for her to do that.

00:22:35.000 That's just incredible. I'm happy that we've been replaced by ethnic minorities at the very top of

00:22:43.220 the country this is good so so so i referred earlier to the to the 2000s in the 2000s the

00:22:49.700 standard conservative line the thing that they used to say is that they were neutral on race

00:22:54.140 yes but that you know we judge everybody as an individual um we we you know if they're the best

00:22:59.500 person for the job and that was consistent with conservative ideology and i could understand how

00:23:03.060 they got to that but but he's going to step beyond that he's actually really happy yes about the

00:23:08.320 placement i mean he calls kemi mummy when he writes articles about her so i mean and the thing

00:23:13.240 is people have just got to understand the conservatives like because a lot of people

00:23:16.280 think well aren't they the right-wing party that should be protecting the native interests

00:23:19.480 it's like no what they are is aggressive power bottoms yeah they like what's happening to them

00:23:25.640 well they're the right wing of the liberals yes yes but but on a that's fine on an ideological

00:23:31.900 level but on a personal level they like what's happening to them they like being ethnically

00:23:38.520 dominated they like that they have immigrants in charge they want it more this is a fetish for them

00:23:45.340 as he's just said you know they they don't he used the word it makes me excited yes yes exactly

00:23:51.240 this this is a kind of um very woman-coded thing the conservative party well stanley himself is

00:23:59.300 very woman code he is and that's how he's surrounded by women here and of course he's

00:24:02.620 praising the female immigrant leader of his party it's it the men in the conservative party just do

00:24:08.700 not trust themselves to be men and to be normal and that's why they want to be dominated and this

00:24:14.480 explains penny morden as a phenomenon right because i mean you get people going like look i just can't

00:24:18.780 understand the relentless promotion of penny morden as to be a substantial figure to whom we

00:24:23.660 need to pay attention well it's because she gives them authoritative mummy vibes that's why right

00:24:29.440 i'm absolutely concerned that's convinced that is the only reason penny mordant is anything in our

00:24:34.320 politics is that she she's quite an attractive woman she's got a good bearing to her she makes

00:24:41.180 them feel like oh the matron is in charge oh thank goodness and it's like yep that's that's the

00:24:46.400 conservatives i mean if you are a female conservative at any point in the last 30 years

00:24:52.340 you give one good speech and the press will be writing about how you're the new margaret thatcher

00:24:57.700 yes they they love the idea of a new margaret thatcher yes and so they've been trying to

00:25:03.060 shape and force penny mordaunt and everyone else into this mold um so anyway this is this is why

00:25:09.280 basically if you're a man the conservative party isn't really the party for you um so also if you're

00:25:15.740 a british person the conservative party is also not really the party for you as tim stanley has

00:25:20.260 explained well actually the conservative party and conservative members love that they're being

00:25:25.800 ruled over by female ethnic minorities but also they have had a commitment to anti-racism

00:25:32.100 for generations because as tim stanley points out jacob reese mogg's father led the charge

00:25:38.000 against enoch powell we were discussing just beforehand that some people since your interview

00:25:42.500 with tucker carlson have been uh re-sharing a leader that your father william reese mogg wrote

00:25:48.120 when he was editor of the Times

00:25:49.640 after the Enoch Powell Rivers of Blood speech,

00:25:52.420 in which he said that it was an evil speech.

00:25:55.400 And I was wondering,

00:25:56.020 is this something that runs in your family,

00:25:57.880 a commitment to opposing racism?

00:26:01.440 Yes, I mean, when my father read the article,

00:26:04.480 it was called racialism.

00:26:05.980 It's the word has slightly changed.

00:26:07.480 It's become racism.

00:26:08.460 I think we should bring back the word racialism.

00:26:11.640 Well, I think there is right and wrong.

00:26:14.380 I think there's right and wrong in all sorts of ways.

00:26:17.340 and one shouldn't be afraid to talk about it.

00:26:20.440 And there are certain things that are wrong,

00:26:21.880 and if you think they're wrong, you should try and stop them,

00:26:23.940 and you can't compromise on.

00:26:25.860 You can't say that we should have made peace with Hitler

00:26:29.240 because it would have helped our GDP a little bit.

00:26:33.180 You know, Munich was wrong because we...

00:26:35.300 He blithers on about the Nazis here,

00:26:36.860 but the point is he's had a long-standing commitment

00:26:40.080 to opposing racism.

00:26:41.840 So him and Zach Polanski, brothers in arms.

00:26:46.800 This is genuinely, as you say, they're a liberal party in the most essential sense of the word.

00:26:52.500 They just describe Zach Polanski on tax policy.

00:26:54.820 Yeah, absolutely.

00:26:57.260 And so, yeah, it all comes down to this, what Morgoth has posted.

00:27:03.140 This is the British social contract according to the Conservatives.

00:27:07.520 It doesn't matter who your neighbours are.

00:27:09.460 It doesn't matter the things they do.

00:27:10.680 It doesn't matter who rules over you as long as you make enough money.

00:27:14.700 And I'm sure if you make enough money,

00:27:16.520 you can insulate yourself from the consequences

00:27:19.040 of the Tory diversity.

00:27:21.340 Basically what Morgoth is saying here

00:27:22.960 is that if you're rich,

00:27:24.220 you get Priti Patel as a neighbour.

00:27:25.800 If you're poor,

00:27:26.620 you get the Ahmed brothers and their rape mattress.

00:27:28.600 Yeah, the...

00:27:29.420 I can't remember the Nottingham stabber guy.

00:27:32.500 Yeah, exactly, right?

00:27:33.940 So, exactly.

00:27:35.920 I'm sure Priti Patel's a perfectly fine neighbour to have,

00:27:38.880 but there are other consequences

00:27:40.440 that come from all of this.

00:27:42.360 And so Jacob Rees-Mogg is very worried about ethno-nationalism.

00:27:45.780 He's very worried about the rise of ethno-nationalism.

00:27:48.540 I'm very worried about ethno-nationalism because I think it's a polite way of saying racism.

00:27:54.620 And as we've covered, he's got an ancestral commitment against racism.

00:28:00.640 And so it's like, right, okay, if you are so against ethno-nationalism,

00:28:04.440 why did your party flood the country with foreigners when you were in government?

00:28:08.800 What did you think the consequence of that was going to be, right?

00:28:11.360 Let's go through some numbers.

00:28:12.520 Well, I mean, Boris has told us that he was worried

00:28:15.080 that wages might rise after COVID.

00:28:17.480 Correct.

00:28:17.960 The Financial Times, he wanted them to write nice things about.

00:28:21.000 So just to give you the numbers, right,

00:28:22.880 between July 2011 and June 2021,

00:28:26.500 the Conservatives let into this country

00:28:29.060 7.5 million people to live here, right?

00:28:33.700 That rises to over 8 million when you include

00:28:36.360 the sort of may june 2010 2011 period of the of the beginning of the coalition um and then

00:28:43.360 between 2021 and 2024 they let in another roughly 4 million people so the total was about 12 million

00:28:53.840 odd isn't it's about 11.7 million right they let in to live here 11.7 million foreigners which means

00:29:02.180 And thankfully, there is a significant outflow, which means we're probably 67 million people more full in the country than we were before the Conservatives did.

00:29:14.100 But there is also a vast quality difference.

00:29:16.920 So there were people who came here in the 70s.

00:29:19.640 And generally, in order to get here, there had to be at least something about you.

00:29:24.360 They had to serve the British Empire.

00:29:26.060 Yes.

00:29:26.640 Look at all in Priti Patel's family.

00:29:29.120 Yes.

00:29:29.380 The reason that these people came here is because they were being kicked out of Africa

00:29:33.320 by people like Idi Amin, and we felt, okay, well, the British administration in Africa

00:29:38.140 was being run by Indians, well, we will take a few hundred thousand because they served

00:29:43.540 the empire.

00:29:44.240 Yes, and we were discerning.

00:29:45.820 It's like, okay, these people have shown qualities that we like, and actually, I mean, again,

00:29:52.560 there was a poor and a rich divide, but a decent number of them did turn up and work

00:29:56.940 hard.

00:29:57.180 I think I saw an article from somebody saying,

00:29:59.400 was it Soella Brabman that her parents were too proud for benefits

00:30:02.020 and they wouldn't touch it and all that kind of stuff.

00:30:04.580 By the time we get to the Boris wave,

00:30:07.000 any discernment has gone.

00:30:10.740 It is literally, are you currently chopping somebody's heads off in Sudan?

00:30:16.460 Would you like to come to Britain and get a free house?

00:30:19.020 The period of time when Jacob Brees moggins in government

00:30:20.800 and now he's going to come out and say to you,

00:30:22.820 don't you dare be ethno-nationalist.

00:30:24.540 Don't you dare be racist.

00:30:25.440 Don't you dare care about the quality of your country in terms of who is like you and who is not like you.

00:30:36.080 Yes, because Jacob Rees-Mogg probably knows somebody in his constituency who's of South Asian heritage and is an eye surgeon.

00:30:43.380 And he's like, what the hell are you talking about?

00:30:46.560 I know a chap who's got Sri Lankan origin and he drives a Merc.

00:30:52.520 yes and he lives in a lovely detached house in somerset yes with a very big garden so what could

00:30:58.260 you possibly be worried about therefore if we want to bring in 12 million people from a war zone in

00:31:04.780 africa that is the same thing and again you are not allowed to feel as if the english have some

00:31:12.700 sort of possession over england that is jealous against other people having claims against england

00:31:19.720 right that's the the thing that comes out of all of this is the conservatives do not accept that

00:31:25.460 the british people are a people and have claims to their ancestral lands well he called us mongrels

00:31:31.080 he did call us he would never call many other racial groups that no he wouldn't um and he

00:31:38.280 despises you as tim stanley does for objecting to putting the foreigners in charge or even

00:31:45.040 objecting to the scale of the foreigners that are here right you're the as he emphasizes racism

00:31:52.200 is something he finds despicable and you are a racist if you notice there are differences between

00:31:58.660 peoples that's what this all boils down to which is exactly the same position as the green party

00:32:03.920 incidentally um we'll get to shortly anyway so ian dale is uh not impressed by this uh he went

00:32:12.160 there and this is his reaction it is flat as a pancake but andrew griffith the shadow chancellor

00:32:17.640 for his speech this afternoon there were lots and lots of empty seats actually just as there were

00:32:23.020 for john healy last week but there's only ever about three or four hundred people in the main

00:32:27.700 hall and when you think of conferences past in blackpool in bournemouth um you would have maybe

00:32:34.680 1500 2 000 people in the audience they've had a succession of panels with business people for

00:32:41.640 example usually with people who are chairing the panel who have no idea how to chair a panel

00:32:46.640 and the audience is bored stiff you can just tell I mean journalists in the Andrew Griffith session

00:32:53.260 were just ridiculing the whole thing which is not what you want at an annual conference

00:32:58.100 we found it incredibly difficult to get the Conservative Party to put up any guests for our

00:33:03.420 show so for example in about five minutes time after Bethany Dawson has imparted her words of

00:33:08.320 on the first day we would normally have a member of the shadow cabinet we don't have anyone thanks

00:33:14.720 to the conservative party again who are these people can you name any of them and ian dale was

00:33:21.800 not the only person to notice this jeremy clarkson noticed this a lot of people have come dressed as

00:33:26.800 seats i noticed and and and if jeremy clarkson can't fill the room right yeah like jeremy

00:33:37.720 clarkson one of the most popular celebrities in britain at this point if for some reason he doesn't

00:33:44.780 draw a crowd yes just how empty is your i've just bought a very large amount of his beer and had it

00:33:52.040 delivered and it's quite good oh really i mean everybody if you're not if you're not british

00:33:55.940 everybody likes jeremy well apart from leftists but everybody who's vaguely on the right loves

00:34:01.040 this guy not even on the right just normal yes normal people love jeremy clarkson they love

00:34:06.300 top gear they love clarkson's farm and it's like the last true bastion of english culture

00:34:11.300 jeremy clarkson is so clarkson's farm is so identifiably english oh like i've said before

00:34:17.640 the diversity is this irish girlfriend so anyway yes the point being the conservatives are fully

00:34:23.900 committed to being what the left have made of them you will become atomistic isolation isolated

00:34:31.240 You will be concerned only with the economy.

00:34:34.320 You will be concerned only with materialism.

00:34:37.660 You will be concerned only with anti-racism.

00:34:41.260 This is what the Conservative Party is.

00:34:43.480 It has been sculpted into this form by the left.

00:34:47.920 It's a Blairite party with lower taxes.

00:34:50.960 All it is.

00:34:51.800 Literally.

00:34:52.360 And a weird fetish for domineering women.

00:34:55.340 Anyway, so let's move over to Holborn and St Pancras.

00:34:57.980 Oh, yes.

00:34:58.360 so this is kia starmer's former prime minister kia starmer's seat because he resigned because

00:35:04.660 he wasn't really a politician anyway uh and so it's all up for grabs as we've covered previously

00:35:10.220 it's a highly diverse seat and as sir john curtis here the polling guru says looks like actually

00:35:17.620 it's probably going to go labor because zach polanski has a real problem which is actually

00:35:23.260 Andy Burnham has kind of outflanked him from the left.

00:35:26.660 This is not good for Zach Polanski.

00:35:28.080 And going back to the polls,

00:35:29.940 this is why I think the Greens have been on the downswings.

00:35:33.740 I mean, when Zach Polanski became leader,

00:35:35.700 they rocked it up because Keir Starmer

00:35:37.900 was the best recruiting tool they could possibly have.

00:35:40.440 So at one point they had eclipsed the Labour Party.

00:35:44.340 And so this gave impetus for Andy Burnham

00:35:46.700 and the soft left cabal

00:35:50.400 to dethrone Keir Starmer.

00:35:54.920 Do you remember when Gorn Denton was?

00:35:57.640 Yeah.

00:35:58.460 When was it?

00:35:59.640 Well, I don't remember the exact month,

00:36:01.500 but it was a while back.

00:36:03.180 It's got to be somewhere around that peak, isn't it?

00:36:05.600 Yes.

00:36:06.520 But I'm not very good at time.

00:36:10.160 Every day is like the next day for me.

00:36:12.840 Anyway, the point being,

00:36:14.160 this was what gave impetus for Andy Burnham

00:36:16.820 and the soft left to launch their kind of jihad

00:36:19.640 against Keir Starmer.

00:36:21.040 Keir Starmer held on for as long as he could,

00:36:23.440 but as you can see from the decline,

00:36:25.540 it was very clear something had to change.

00:36:27.400 So it was end of February.

00:36:28.980 Or was it?

00:36:29.400 Right, okay.

00:36:30.060 So literally around this time then?

00:36:31.620 Yep.

00:36:32.300 Right, okay, yeah, there we go.

00:36:33.060 Pink Green.

00:36:34.300 Yeah.

00:36:35.120 Yeah, and this is where Hannah, the plumber,

00:36:37.720 won her little by-election.

00:36:39.940 CBeebies, plumber.

00:36:41.040 And it was very clear that the Labour Party

00:36:42.640 had to have the left in it.

00:36:44.680 Yes.

00:36:45.280 They just had to.

00:36:46.160 They had to be a party of the left,

00:36:47.400 or else they'd lose their core support.

00:36:49.640 Which we were saying at the time.

00:36:51.620 Of course.

00:36:52.620 And this has been good for the Labour Party and bad for the Greens.

00:36:56.540 So instead of being eclipsed by the Greens, 18% and 17%,

00:37:00.740 they're now 26% and 10%, which is far more natural.

00:37:04.780 That is an interesting distinction, isn't it?

00:37:06.700 Because the Tories have just held on to their 17%, come what may.

00:37:12.440 Their fortune is all because reform has decided to implode.

00:37:16.760 Yes.

00:37:16.880 They made decision after decision after decision.

00:37:20.720 They just can't keep their finger off that self-destruct button.

00:37:23.700 They bloody love that button.

00:37:25.060 They rubbed the bloody text off that button they pressed it so much.

00:37:30.560 Whereas the Greens, I mean, it's quite identifiable.

00:37:33.920 Labour got stronger, they got weaker.

00:37:35.360 Yes.

00:37:35.900 It's a direct proportion, inverse proportion there.

00:37:40.440 And, you know, OK, that's fine.

00:37:42.120 It makes perfect sense.

00:37:42.920 I mean, the Greens are where the Labour voters who are on the left would go if the Labour Party is run by a cabal of human rights lawyers, right?

00:37:51.760 So, OK, fine. That makes perfect sense or completely straightforward.

00:37:58.800 And so Zach Polanski did this interview with Novara Media that I watched.

00:38:04.040 And in it, he does admit that, yes, he is being outflanked to the left by Andy Burnham.

00:38:09.600 As in Andy Burnham is actually going to do left-wing things.

00:38:11.780 I mean, you know, Zach Polanski will say they're not left-wing enough,

00:38:15.380 but they're still doing the left-wing things,

00:38:17.460 which is drawing all the left-wingers back to Labour.

00:38:19.960 So what can he do?

00:38:21.340 Well, the only thing he can do is pivot to climate now.

00:38:23.920 So for the first time...

00:38:24.920 The Green Party?

00:38:27.200 Are talking about the climate, apparently.

00:38:29.460 They haven't done that for a very long time.

00:38:31.900 I think it must have been at least the early 90s

00:38:35.580 when the Green Party actually talked about green stuff.

00:38:38.020 It's been a while, hasn't it?

00:38:38.920 Yeah.

00:38:39.340 It's been a long time.

00:38:41.060 And so Zach Polanski has decided, well,

00:38:43.600 he's going to try and outflank Labour on the left

00:38:45.340 by talking about the climate.

00:38:46.560 But there is also one place that the Green Party can go

00:38:49.820 that does significantly outflank Labour to the left

00:38:53.280 that Labour definitely aren't going to go to.

00:38:55.880 Mandatory abortions?

00:38:57.700 No Labour in favour of that.

00:38:59.980 No, it's Zionism racism.

00:39:02.960 Ah, right, yes.

00:39:04.160 This was a motion that was passed at the Green Party conference.

00:39:07.860 um it's a pretty extreme statement for the modern for the current political paradigm

00:39:18.640 this is a very touchy subject it all depends on whether because zionism is one of those

00:39:27.080 modern bailey positions yes at one end it means um should every israeli um be slaughtered tomorrow

00:39:36.480 and the land salted and their temples ground to dusk.

00:39:41.240 And at the other hand, it's should they take over the world?

00:39:45.800 And even Zionists will basically flip between the two positions.

00:39:50.980 If they're on the defence, it's the one.

00:39:53.080 But when they're talking amongst themselves,

00:39:54.860 it might stray quite a bit into the other one.

00:39:57.560 So I can kind of see where they're coming at.

00:40:00.460 But because it's a nebulous term,

00:40:03.080 everyone in the political establishment,

00:40:04.700 whenever they feel that this has come on.

00:40:07.020 I mean, bear in mind, okay, we've had people stabbed on the streets.

00:40:11.000 We've had people had their head cut off on the streets.

00:40:13.900 We've had people stabbed 17 times with a screwdriver.

00:40:17.480 We've had industrial scale rapes.

00:40:19.060 We've had three little girls murdered.

00:40:20.260 And the one thing that got our political establishment into an absolute tiz was

00:40:26.940 was three Jewish ambulances being set on fire in the middle of the night with nobody there.

00:40:33.600 Zero casualties.

00:40:34.700 Zero casualties.

00:40:35.740 It was an insurance claim.

00:40:36.920 Yes.

00:40:37.960 And nobody died.

00:40:41.560 And so we've got a political establishment who will,

00:40:45.720 the moment they feel there's anything going on here,

00:40:50.100 will immediately treat to, I can't remember if it was the Mott or the Bailey,

00:40:53.020 whichever, the most extreme version of Zionism is under attack.

00:40:56.580 The Mott is the strong place, I think.

00:40:58.320 Okay, so they would immediately restrict to the Mott on this.

00:41:01.900 So I can kind of see how the Green Party could, in their own head...

00:41:05.820 Well, actually, maybe they are thinking of the other one.

00:41:08.280 For the Green Party, actually, for half the Green Party,

00:41:10.920 it's very possible it's the other.

00:41:12.240 So the way that this worked is that the Green Party was saying,

00:41:17.320 look, Zionism is a form of ethno-nationalism,

00:41:20.700 an ethno-nationalist political project that, of course,

00:41:24.500 they don't want anti-Zionism to be equated with anti-Semitism.

00:41:27.000 I mean, it is an ethno-nationalism.

00:41:28.880 Of course it is.

00:41:29.500 Yeah.

00:41:29.940 Yes.

00:41:30.180 But any nation is an ethno-nationalist project.

00:41:33.920 To have a nation, a state for a people, is to define the people

00:41:39.060 and then define that they should have political ownership

00:41:42.160 of a certain area of land.

00:41:44.720 And, of course, the Green Party, being a communist Muslim alliance,

00:41:49.560 despise what they view as settler colonialism from the Israelis

00:41:53.940 and Jews from the Muslims.

00:41:57.140 So they are making the case that Zionism, as racism, means taking land away from Palestinians because they are Palestinians and giving it to Jews because they are Jews.

00:42:11.080 And in a way, are they wrong?

00:42:15.740 That is what Zionism is, right?

00:42:18.580 Yes.

00:42:18.860 And so, in a way, they're kind of right. And also, when you combine this with sort of like far left ideology, well, any exclusionary boundary is a form of racism. Any national state, I mean, all of them say this, all nation states, when you boil it down and you drill down into the deepest part of leftism, all nation states are a racist construct.

00:42:46.240 All of them.

00:42:47.380 Every nation state.

00:42:48.520 So yes, Israel is a racist construct because it's for Jewish people.

00:42:52.220 I mean, there is a handful of countries that are avowedly ethno-nationalist,

00:42:57.020 as in they have it written into their constitution.

00:42:59.420 Japan, Mexico, Israel is one of them.

00:43:02.080 But I suspect if the Green Party was ever given a motion that, I don't know,

00:43:07.480 Pakistani ethno-nationalism is evil, that would be voted down quite strongly.

00:43:11.460 Well, I mean, they are actually ethno-nationalists for Palestine.

00:43:15.880 Oh, yes.

00:43:16.320 And the conflict here is that two forms of ethno-nationalism

00:43:19.240 are coming into conflict.

00:43:20.840 That's all this is.

00:43:21.660 And you have to pick.

00:43:22.400 And you have to pick.

00:43:23.820 But it is true that a nation is ethnically exclusive to some degree.

00:43:31.680 It is, as you say, Japan is for the Japanese people,

00:43:35.400 Korea for Korean people, Chinese people.

00:43:37.780 These are what nations are.

00:43:39.800 They're based on the idea of racial differentiation in some degree.

00:43:45.520 And so, yes, Zionism being the ideology that desires the construction of a Jewish homeland in Israel,

00:43:53.740 yeah, that of course is, I mean, Jacob Rees-Marc said racialist,

00:43:59.520 which is the previous term that racist superseded, is more correct.

00:44:04.700 It is a racialist project.

00:44:06.460 That is when conservatism gets really weird because they will spend all day arguing about how the British people do not deserve a homeland.

00:44:16.460 Yes.

00:44:16.600 The moment you change the subject to Israel, they are a vow of death, no nationalists.

00:44:22.080 Yeah.

00:44:22.600 And so the communists believe that literally nobody is actually entitled to a nation state.

00:44:31.280 They're against nation states.

00:44:32.520 And they've been open about this for hundreds of years now.

00:44:37.220 This is not new communist ideology that the nation is something that is preventing the revolution and preventing communism.

00:44:43.780 Yeah, obviously, it's a source of inequality.

00:44:46.940 And it is something that differentiates based on the kind of person.

00:44:51.040 I mean, to be sincere, that was the original formulation of it.

00:44:54.540 I mean, as soon as it got to North Korea and China, I mean, all of that went out the window.

00:44:59.020 They just kept the economic side of it.

00:45:00.560 Yeah, yeah, of course.

00:45:02.520 North Korea especially is an insane ethno-nationalist project.

00:45:07.060 The point being, though, it is basically true

00:45:11.020 that nations are a form of racism.

00:45:14.800 If you boil it down to the most basic terms,

00:45:18.300 racism means differentiating between different kinds of races.

00:45:21.980 And if you have a nation for one and a nation for other,

00:45:24.420 then yes, these are racialized projects that are national

00:45:28.200 for the people they're named after,

00:45:30.320 and they have in them a recognition of the difference

00:45:34.780 between this group of people and this group of people.

00:45:37.260 And the only way to be anti-racist is to ignore

00:45:39.540 and pretend there is no difference between groups of people.

00:45:42.420 That's what anti-racism means.

00:45:43.700 And it's one of those weird human constructs

00:45:46.160 because, I mean, biologists, I mean,

00:45:48.080 this might be a little bit controversial,

00:45:49.620 but you see where I'm going with this.

00:45:51.100 Biologists have this understanding of,

00:45:52.760 they call it subspecies.

00:45:55.020 Let's not go down that road.

00:45:56.240 it's not as bad as it's not as bad as it sounds we could edit this bit out

00:46:02.780 but i mean what so for example uh brown bears and polar bears yeah and and the simple test is

00:46:10.520 um if you're given a hundred photos of um either of them and they're all jumbled up

00:46:16.060 can you separate them out yes and have a higher than i think it's 90 accuracy brown bears and

00:46:22.340 polar bears, you can do that. Brown bears and black bears, you can do that. But we don't use

00:46:26.760 that terminology with humans. We call it races. But the underlying biological test is, if I gave

00:46:32.660 you 100 photos of a Frenchman and 100 photos of an Englishman, you might struggle. If I gave you

00:46:38.520 100 photos of an Englishman and 100 photos of a Chinaman... I think I'd figure it out.

00:46:43.260 I mean, and it comes down to something that's similar. Is there a distinction that is real,

00:46:48.600 that is observable and can be repeated with accuracy?

00:46:51.620 I mean, that's ultimately what, when we talk about races,

00:46:54.420 that's ultimately what we're talking about.

00:46:55.780 Is it observable and real?

00:46:57.260 But the problem that we have is that the extreme end

00:47:02.360 of left-wing ideology is the most literal interpretation

00:47:05.920 of these questions.

00:47:07.400 And so your ability to distinguish between one group of people

00:47:10.060 and another group of people, in their view,

00:47:13.380 is a form of racism.

00:47:14.380 Now, it's because the word racism is always so ill-defined.

00:47:18.600 Because, I mean, racism really, in common parlance,

00:47:21.500 means hatred of people from other races, right?

00:47:24.100 It means you don't like and you discriminate against,

00:47:27.160 you have an animus against people of other races.

00:47:29.820 But that's not what is being said when it comes down to

00:47:32.680 is the existence of nations itself racist?

00:47:36.040 It doesn't require you to have a hatred of other races.

00:47:38.120 It doesn't require you to be, you know, bothered by their existence.

00:47:42.600 You are just making a claim to an in-group,

00:47:44.780 which does necessarily discriminate against the out-groups.

00:47:47.540 But all left-wing and liberal ideology ultimately boils down to if you don't recognize that individuals are atomic outside of society and not contained within groups they can't choose to leave, then you are a racist.

00:48:04.500 That's what it all boils down to.

00:48:06.380 And so in a way, the sort of Islamo-communists and the Green Party, on their own terms, are correct.

00:48:12.720 Now, by any sensible person's definition, what are you, mental?

00:48:17.080 And weirdly, it was Owen Jones that was the voice of reason on this subject.

00:48:22.380 I did not see that coming.

00:48:24.200 There is nothing racist about any ethnic or religious group wanting their own homeland.

00:48:30.440 The English is not a racist claim, says Owen Jones.

00:48:34.460 Does he?

00:48:35.180 I swear to God that's his account.

00:48:38.160 It doesn't say the English is English, but though...

00:48:40.200 No, of course it doesn't.

00:48:41.240 This is a broad principle that he's establishing.

00:48:43.600 the problem is if the desire is at the expense of the people

00:48:47.140 so Zionism in practice

00:48:49.060 meant the homeland at the expense of the Palestinians

00:48:50.640 it's really not hard to grasp this

00:48:51.960 but that means that Owen Jones is not actually as extreme

00:48:54.960 on the position

00:48:56.540 as most of the Green Party is

00:48:58.720 as in

00:49:00.360 Owen Jones is like

00:49:01.220 it was worth hanging on for this bit

00:49:03.700 I accept that an ethnic group

00:49:06.740 exists

00:49:07.460 and that they should want their own homeland

00:49:10.300 well I'll see you in gospel brother Jones

00:49:12.640 there with our english flag and our balaclavas of all of the people who i thought was going to

00:49:18.660 come out and say that because yep i mean ultimately like like i said from the most

00:49:22.720 literal interpretation of his own ideology yeah it kind of is but owen jones is prepared to not

00:49:29.600 go to the most literal interpretation and go to a more commonsensical view about what racism is

00:49:34.120 which again just didn't didn't see coming so well done owen there's there's reese mogg driving along

00:49:39.320 the motorway and owen jones straight past him on the right yes that's exactly what's happened

00:49:44.100 that's exactly what's happened reese hogg is against ethno-nationalism in every form but

00:49:49.800 owen jones yeah except there's nothing racist about ethno-nationalism okay what what a timeline

00:49:57.060 we live in i know it's rockwell isn't it anyway so zara sultana here uh really does do a good job

00:50:02.840 of representing uh the the fundamental position of islamo-communism because she's of course a

00:50:08.340 muslim and a communist right so for her of course of course sianism is racism of course it is uh i

00:50:13.600 don't want nations and i don't want jews that's her position and yeah that's why she'd come to

00:50:19.220 this conclusion now obviously the tories don't like it the tories are really not happy about

00:50:26.280 this right well you can't stay employed by the daily tea anymore well by the by the telegraph

00:50:30.880 if you're if you don't hold certain views exactly um of course amnesty international

00:50:35.860 like whoa whoa hang on a second guys you can't just come out and say this uh julia hartley brewer

00:50:41.840 it's like oh this is how it started in the 1930s that's right julia the green party passed a motion

00:50:46.920 that zionism is racism and hitler came to it now that's not how it that's not how it is actually

00:50:51.800 but she's a hardcore zionist herself yeah obviously she's like you can't call this racist

00:50:57.220 because the only thing i recognize that is bad is racism so unless it's against the english

00:51:02.780 In which case, it's fine.

00:51:03.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:51:04.460 Race them against Israel.

00:51:06.360 Anyway, the Unherd, I don't know who this is for,

00:51:10.900 but they were like, the Green Party has done something profoundly wicked.

00:51:14.820 Okay, right, okay, that's interesting.

00:51:17.440 Then you have a bunch of Green Party MPs

00:51:20.180 who are also not happy with this, right?

00:51:23.840 Adrian Ramsey, who's the Green Party MP for, where was it?

00:51:28.720 Waveney Valley.

00:51:30.020 This must be a lovely place to be able to vote Green.

00:51:32.600 um he didn't want it didn't want zionism as racism uh you had rachel the landlord who was

00:51:39.580 like no i voted against this too you had young bob blackadder's boyfriend uh come out and say no

00:51:47.220 i'm i'm not in favor of this i don't think this was the case and i i don't think that we should

00:51:53.320 be targeting jewish members for their beliefs or associations because they're old paradigm leftists

00:51:58.760 Yes, they are.

00:52:00.100 I thought she had a follow-up.

00:52:02.700 She was a follow-up.

00:52:03.700 Yeah, no, no, that was a follow-up, yeah.

00:52:05.520 So she wasn't in favour of it.

00:52:09.240 There were many parts of the motion I can agree with,

00:52:11.140 but there were some parts I could not.

00:52:12.880 Who do you think was in favour of it?

00:52:16.020 Could he, I don't know,

00:52:17.640 Zach Polanski and Muffin Alley, maybe?

00:52:19.280 That's right.

00:52:21.080 That's exactly right.

00:52:23.520 So Muffin Alley here,

00:52:25.060 Yeah, they do a bit of preamble, so I'll skip that.

00:52:28.820 Yeah, about, here we go.

00:52:30.780 Let's go back.

00:52:32.600 And that's the context that we've got to remember.

00:52:35.280 So the people waving flags, the Israeli flags,

00:52:37.660 are they racist in your view?

00:52:39.260 I mean, they're welcome to wave the Israeli flags.

00:52:42.540 There's Palestine flags being waved.

00:52:44.780 People are welcome to express their freedom.

00:52:47.040 I just want to pause there.

00:52:48.160 Look at the sign.

00:52:51.000 stand up to racism have pub have created stand up to racist greens no to anti-zionism

00:52:59.240 stand up to racism are also pro-zionism i mean we it's well known that if you're on the right

00:53:07.280 you cannot get a leftist to come in and have an interview or discussion they just don't do it

00:53:10.900 but if i could get a green party figure to come in i think one of the key questions i'd want to

00:53:17.100 ask is what did you in your own mind what did you imagine was going to happen when a few years ago

00:53:24.560 you made a massive play to the sort of islamic wing i mean what i mean just walk me through it

00:53:33.500 take me back five years in your own mind when you made the green party basically an islamic party

00:53:40.480 did what did you think happened after that bit surely not going to be an argument about israel

00:53:46.700 which is what's happening now i just find it interesting that stand up to racism uh with

00:53:52.660 their time their their pre-printed signs they're on the pro-zionist position which i found really

00:53:59.020 fascinating because i honestly thought they wouldn't be but anyway obviously yeah moth and

00:54:02.620 ali and his uh wing of the party the islamic wing of the party yeah obviously completely in favor

00:54:08.400 yeah this is totally fine and i'm totally happy about it and it shows you the balance of power

00:54:13.160 in the Green Party.

00:54:14.620 Yes.

00:54:15.100 So it was 800 votes to 1,000 votes

00:54:17.380 based on, you know, for or against.

00:54:19.980 And so the Islamic section

00:54:23.520 is actually stronger in the Green Party

00:54:25.520 than the Communist section.

00:54:26.940 And I wonder if that's because

00:54:28.080 so many of the Greens have gone back to Labour, actually.

00:54:30.900 Could be.

00:54:31.540 So we could be witnessing the Green Party

00:54:34.300 actually fully transforming into the Islamic Party.

00:54:36.780 If you think that's going to do wonders for their polling,

00:54:38.880 I think you've got another thing coming.

00:54:40.980 And Thicke is right.

00:54:42.140 There are numerous examples of leftists getting into bed with Islamists.

00:54:48.320 Well, the Iran revolution is the best example.

00:54:50.960 Yes.

00:54:51.460 And what happened to the leftists the day after the revolution?

00:54:56.140 Yeah, they just killed them.

00:54:56.880 Yes, but up against a wall, bang, bang.

00:54:58.860 Yeah, that was literally what happened.

00:55:02.400 I mean, it's lucky that the lefties never read history books

00:55:07.560 because if they did, they would be quite nervous right now.

00:55:10.600 Well, speaking of that, who haven't we heard from?

00:55:17.300 One Mr. Zach Polanski.

00:55:19.280 Oh, right. Okay.

00:55:20.540 Now, Zach Polanski...

00:55:22.120 Oh, sorry, yeah, this is just...

00:55:23.680 This is the kind of attitude...

00:55:26.260 Right, yeah, so before we go on to Zach Polanski, right?

00:55:28.640 So what this is, is third worldism taking over the Green Party, right?

00:55:34.080 Because Martin Alley doesn't care at all about ideological consistency,

00:55:39.280 The abolition of nation states.

00:55:40.260 No, he just wants to win.

00:55:41.220 He just wants to win, right?

00:55:42.860 Dr. Shola, yeah, no, with a smug, you know,

00:55:46.480 yes, we're winning here, lads.

00:55:48.760 Of course, she's just a third worldist.

00:55:52.320 No, no, no, I want people from the third world

00:55:55.200 to be what I perceive to be people from the first world,

00:55:57.740 which means anyone against Britain, anyone against Israel,

00:56:01.260 anyone against anyone who has a white complexion, I'm against.

00:56:06.140 Basically, anyone who has stuff, we want the stuff.

00:56:08.600 Exactly.

00:56:09.180 It's just about taking your stuff.

00:56:11.060 And so they're completely happy with this.

00:56:13.780 But anyway, so Zach Polanski hadn't made a statement for a while.

00:56:18.520 And everyone's like, well, hang on a second, Zach.

00:56:20.420 I realize you're campaigning in Holborn St. Pancras.

00:56:23.320 But this seems a bit important.

00:56:24.940 Because he's not even at the Green Party conference.

00:56:26.960 He is campaigning.

00:56:28.060 And to be honest with you, I don't think he's going to win.

00:56:30.440 No, it'd be really surprising.

00:56:32.020 Because Labour has got a lock on Holborn.

00:56:35.260 Holborn's been in Labour for decades, right?

00:56:37.540 and demographically it has been diversified and they're running a somalian immigrant in the in

00:56:44.680 the constituency under the labor banner so why would you vote for someone who's not a somalian

00:56:49.480 immigrant if you're a third world and you just want gibbs right but anyway zach polanski uh being

00:56:54.800 absent from the conference is just on blue sky liking people's tweets about how yeah just get

00:57:00.000 over it just get over it i don't care if you think that if you if you oppose the motion that zionism

00:57:05.700 as racism you just get over it and move on and so he's finally published a statement right uh he

00:57:12.040 says well look we're not talking about jewish people we're just talking about israel i want

00:57:15.540 to make sure that everything is uh safe in our party and i'm proud of our party's principal

00:57:20.260 position on fighting for freedom and justice for the palestinians so he found himself coming down

00:57:24.540 on the islamic side of the question i mean i'll just point out i don't know if zach watches this

00:57:29.980 But I'll just point out, it is about Jews for them.

00:57:33.200 It is about the people.

00:57:34.620 100% about Jews.

00:57:35.420 They're not going to tell you that until they've won.

00:57:37.760 They understand that you drawing this decision.

00:57:40.280 Anti-Semitism and Great Seism is really state.

00:57:42.860 Are and must always be completely distinct.

00:57:44.940 They're not distinct for Martha Natla.

00:57:46.060 No.

00:57:46.360 They're not distinct for Dr. Shetler.

00:57:47.880 They're not distinct for all of these people.

00:57:49.500 Yes.

00:57:49.940 They understand you have resources and you are a competing tribe.

00:57:54.280 Yes.

00:57:54.840 And they are a tribe that wants to take it.

00:57:56.640 And I would just say to Zach, you know, check out your own early life section.

00:58:01.800 This should be a live concern for you.

00:58:04.460 But it's interesting how Zach Polanski is deeply ideological, right?

00:58:09.600 So the ideology says, yes, no, Israel bad, Palestine good.

00:58:13.920 And so he, as the communist leader of the Green Party, has been like,

00:58:18.020 well, I have to come down on the side that wants to chuck me off a roof.

00:58:22.780 Actually, they've got a couple of reasons, haven't they?

00:58:25.180 No, is he gay?

00:58:26.080 He is gay, yeah.

00:58:26.820 Oh, okay, right, yeah.

00:58:27.780 I mean, I assume.

00:58:28.420 He is gay, which is what they do in Palestine to gay people,

00:58:33.320 and probably Jews as well.

00:58:35.800 So, yeah, but the point is, ideologically, he is committed to this,

00:58:39.280 and therefore he has to do it, and there's nowhere else for him to go.

00:58:43.260 Well, best of luck in the future, Zach, if you win.

00:58:45.300 Well, exactly, just best of luck.

00:58:46.980 But the point is, I don't think he's going to win.

00:58:48.640 I haven't seen any polling out of Holman and St. Pancras yet,

00:58:51.940 But I'd be very surprised if he did win in the face of the burn and bounce.

00:58:55.660 It would be extraordinary if the Greens won it.

00:58:58.460 It absolutely would.

00:58:59.240 This is not Gorton and Denton.

00:59:00.860 The ethnic minorities have an ethnic minority to vote for.

00:59:05.640 Zach Polanski codes white British.

00:59:08.620 So when they hear and see him, they see a white British man.

00:59:12.380 Or I could vote for the Somali woman who's definitely going to give us Gibbs.

00:59:16.180 I mean, you know.

00:59:17.640 And she's part of the Labour Party,

00:59:19.540 which is actually the party of government at the moment.

00:59:21.460 so it can guarantee the Gibbs.

00:59:23.360 I don't think Polanski's winning it.

00:59:25.480 Who knows?

00:59:26.020 I could quite well be wrong, though.

00:59:27.540 But anyway, the point being,

00:59:29.140 conference season has been very revealing.

00:59:31.600 All of the major parties, apart from one,

00:59:35.220 are deeply committed anti-racist parties

00:59:37.400 that want to see literally foreigners

00:59:40.760 ruling over us forever.

00:59:42.260 Wonderful.

00:59:43.140 And there's no end to this in sight.

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 07, 2026

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