The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - Manchester's Hobbit

00:00:00.080 Hi there folks, welcome to another political chat. I'm joined by Dan and today we're going to be talking about Andy Burnham, his relationship to the Labour Party and the Labour Party's relationship to the North.

00:00:11.240 And why all the pollsters were like, oh yeah, Andy Burnham will win, but he'll win on about 45% and reform will be like on 43%.

00:00:20.080 He'll scrape it if he's lucky.

00:00:21.940 And Restore Britain will split the vote.

00:00:24.580 yeah i mean literally we covered in the podcast earlier luke trill being like yeah well restore

00:00:29.000 britain's the evil right-wing party going to hand it to andy burnham not even slightly

00:00:33.900 andy burnham crushed everyone you could have added up um reform restore every other conservatives i

00:00:41.200 mean every democrats why not even the greens yeah add them all together and burnham still beat them

00:00:45.700 all yes how how did he still beat them all well it helps that he was running a constituency that

00:00:52.380 has voted Labour for 120 years well at least the area has but the margin was really something

00:00:57.840 special it was because in the previous elections it was still like 45% Labour which implies well

00:01:03.320 there's a good chunk of people out there who weren't going to vote Labour now Andy Burnham

00:01:07.180 got the absolute majority even compare it to the local elections which were only six weeks ago

00:01:12.620 maybe seven they lost everything yeah I mean restore to reform absolutely dominated the local

00:01:17.820 elections so you could you could be you could understand why everybody did everybody thought

00:01:23.400 it was going to be a tight race yes completely professional pollsters presumably even andy

00:01:28.240 himself to an extent yeah i imagine he did i mean he even said as he was campaigning we're not taking

00:01:33.200 this for granted right and he went he went and we're going to go through some of his campaign

00:01:36.540 today he went and ran quite an aggressive campaign along a particular narrative and actually i'd like

00:01:44.340 to contrast it with rupert lowe's wins in great yarmouth because what happened was the turnout was

00:01:51.100 um was it six points higher than at the general election which is unusual for a by-election

00:01:55.720 by-elections usually much worse turnout because people like who cares um because by-elections

00:02:01.500 aren't usually decisive right they don't usually yes change anything they don't usually decide

00:02:05.840 anything this one did this one at least it will it's kind of exciting right yes and you can compare

00:02:11.560 that to rupert lowe's wins in great yarmouth right so everywhere he stood uh it was at least i think

00:02:17.040 was 45 44 of the vote which you could have halved all of their vote share restores vote share in

00:02:22.600 great yarmouth and they still would have won every single seat that they were competing for

00:02:26.920 uh but the turnout was higher and in some places they won again absolute majorities

00:02:32.080 why was on the strength of the narrative rupert listen no we're going to put great yarmouth first

00:02:37.820 we're going to do the right thing for us in this constituency regardless of what the rest of the

00:02:43.940 country thinks regardless what anyone else thinks this is a this is a sort of hero's journey

00:02:48.700 narrative so he's our guy he's helped us out and he's been rock solid he donates his salary to

00:02:55.300 charity he actually helps people in the constituency i want more of that i mean even

00:03:00.200 andy burnham apparently donates 15 of his salary i mean not the 100 that rupert lowe does but in

00:03:05.200 something yes defense he's probably not wealthy like yeah you know he's been a professional

00:03:09.720 politician his whole life and i i don't know whether he's got hillary clinton's stock market

00:03:14.720 um initiative uh instincts no the bungs normally come after they leave office they're not normally

00:03:19.980 blunt enough to do it while they're still in so in andy bernard's defense okay that's still pretty

00:03:25.060 good like donating 15 your salary to local charities and he is from the area this was an

00:03:32.960 eternal advances i mean there was a very strong message that he could put out which he didn't

00:03:37.940 even put out he didn't he didn't implicitly say this but a vote for anybody else you know

00:03:43.580 whether it's reform or restore or whoever came forth i can't remember now who came forth

00:03:47.620 maybe the greens i don't know anyway i don't know there's such a large gap between the three

00:03:53.640 competing parties yes but the but a vote for any of them is essentially a vote to remove keir

00:03:58.840 starmer yes but slowly a vote for andy burnham is a vote to remove keir starmer very very quickly

00:04:05.820 yes and to be fair that is quite a strong message very strong yes in fact it was the message that

00:04:11.620 reform were campaigning on only six weeks before where they won a majority yeah so anyway i found

00:04:18.260 this very interesting right and so burnham has a fairly recognizable caricature here um this uh

00:04:26.060 this originally as a as a i guess a meme that was made of andy burnham in 2020 when he learned

00:04:32.820 the conservative government was cutting financial support to uh to manchester and putting manchester

00:04:37.620 in a stricter lockdown and these memes were apparently immortalized all over social media

00:04:42.640 as he was attacking westminster did you ever have a nintendo wii because they had little me i didn't

00:04:48.640 have one but i'm aware that that's what it looks like it looks like somebody from the king jong

00:04:52.820 un family has been loaded onto a nintendo profile yeah i don't know why he's not smiling because

00:04:58.000 he's actually quite a cheery chappy yes he's not like this super serious if it's a meme it's

00:05:03.340 presumably of that famous bit where we found out that manchester was having some covid restrictions

00:05:08.200 or something like that presumably it's something like that but i i found this interesting because

00:05:12.420 vote andy for us has a kind i mean it for me as an outsider it has this kind of it for me it reads

00:05:22.300 for the labour party yes that is exactly what i was going to say not for the people imagine but

00:05:27.560 again i think we in the south have different relationships to our political parties than

00:05:36.520 they do in the north with labour i think we i think we do now but what what what maybe 50 years

00:05:43.100 ago we didn't maybe not even that long ago because what what andy burnham has done it kind of reminds

00:05:47.440 me of the shift from um teresa may to boris johnson so the south would have largely considered

00:05:54.680 the conservative party their party yeah and teresa may she was this very managerial but soulless 1.00

00:06:01.440 figure you know she's very much by the rules she was kind of a female toy version wheat fields 1.00

00:06:06.560 didn't win you over yeah but she had this kind of whole procedure she was very much like starma in 1.00

00:06:12.240 many ways and she was absolutely hated because as closely as she tried to follow all the procedures 1.00

00:06:19.360 and do it by the book that the way that it's supposed to be done she couldn't actually do

00:06:24.600 anything positive by running the machine as it was meant to be run and back then the right was

00:06:30.440 basically you know the the tories are our thing they're our party and the self is largely right

00:06:36.380 wing and it's it's largely i think so they kind of put all of their hopes in boris johnson boris

00:06:43.720 johnson came in and he was incredibly popular to begin with he had this huge cult of personality

00:06:48.060 around him he's our guy he's going to do the thing but he was trapped in the same machine as teresa

00:06:52.800 may and it turned out that changing the personality didn't actually do anything and so boris johnson

00:06:58.840 has ended up even more hated than teresa may i mean if you if you were to talk about your most

00:07:02.940 hated politician she probably wouldn't even remember to mention teresa may even though she

00:07:07.300 was hated at the same point we're now i think the same thing is going to happen to andy burnham

00:07:10.920 as as as happened here um teresa may is is the equivalent to starmer he's the equivalent to

00:07:17.720 boris johnson he's going to get this huge popularity boost everybody's going to think

00:07:20.760 well the labor people the left wing the north are going to think he's our guy he's going to come in

00:07:24.500 but just like boris johnson was still trapped by the same machine he's going to be trapped by the

00:07:29.560 machine and i really wouldn't surprise me if he is far more hated than starmer as extraordinary as

00:07:34.940 that sounds now i i mean that that is that is an extraordinary prediction considering keir starmer's

00:07:39.620 unpopularity peaked at 75 against so there's a little bit further you can go yes i mean i guess

00:07:46.580 there is yeah and i mean i'm i'm not signing off on that i don't agree that that's the game but i

00:07:51.760 mean i it's not impossible that becomes the case right it's certainly not it's probably not even

00:07:57.440 unlikely that becomes the case but i'm not sure that's what's going to happen um but that's not

00:08:01.760 exactly what i was talking about so what what i mean is when you vote for the conservative party 0.98

00:08:06.740 what were you actually voting for what you were voting for is to leave you the fuck alone yes 0.94

00:08:13.640 right that's and that's why people vote for the lib dems because lib dems are essentially a 0.92

00:08:18.100 conservative party for well-to-do middle england i mean i would have said low taxes and the family

00:08:22.940 and stuff well that's what i would have said 10 years ago don't screw it up but but actually all

00:08:26.780 of that low taxes is leave me alone the primary the primaracy of the family is leave me alone um

00:08:32.800 in fact all of the other things i think sovereignty that's leave me alone don't flood my

00:08:36.880 place with immigrants leave me alone and they and they always campaigned on that uh david cameron

00:08:42.080 was like we're going to bring immigration down to the low tens of thousands it's all a variant of 0.88

00:08:46.800 leave me alone exactly right and i think the south generally when it votes for the conservatives or

00:08:52.480 right-wing parties it's something along the lines of just leave me alone things are fairly good and

00:08:57.900 if they're going to be made better i will make them better i will work hard i will do the things

00:09:04.280 i'm supposed to do make sure my family's fed make sure my business grows just leave me alone don't

00:09:09.080 screw it up and that's i think why people vote for the conservative parties by and large and so

00:09:14.380 we have a different relationship with the conservative party that the northerners have

00:09:18.440 with the Labour Party because we have a much more independent mind towards these things

00:09:24.520 because we aren't the industrial heartland. I think things are different in the North.

00:09:31.060 Is it that or is it just that we're 15 years on in our journey that we've had our Theresa May

00:09:35.000 to Boris Johnson moment? I don't know but the thing is it's possible that Labour go through

00:09:39.360 that same arc over the next 10 years. But the thing is we weren't asking from the Conservatives

00:09:45.400 what the Labour voters are asking for from Labour, right?

00:09:48.960 They want something from Labour.

00:09:51.900 They want some affirmative action from Labour. 0.85

00:09:55.180 What they want is for Labour to make sure

00:09:57.500 that the government gives them money in these areas

00:10:00.260 as a reward for being the backbone of Britain,

00:10:03.540 for being the people who, in previous eras,

00:10:07.120 the industrial might of Britain was based in.

00:10:09.960 Well, that's getting less true.

00:10:11.640 I appreciate that.

00:10:12.620 And that's a core part of Andy Burnham's message is,

00:10:16.360 I hate Thatcher's neoliberalism for de-industrializing us, right?

00:10:19.600 He wanted, he would have wanted that the,

00:10:23.260 instead of Thatcher's neoliberalism that has destroyed the mines,

00:10:27.000 destroyed the coals, coal and various other industrial,

00:10:30.120 you know, textile manufacturing and whatever else,

00:10:32.760 he would have preferred hard protectionism.

00:10:34.800 It's like, no, we'll keep these British industries. 0.57

00:10:37.300 We will just make it so that whatever foreign country 0.99

00:10:40.960 can't flood our markets with cheap 0.99

00:10:42.840 that is theoretically possible to do

00:10:44.840 but if you want a strong industry the number one

00:10:46.860 you think you need is cheap energy

00:10:48.880 and the reports

00:10:50.840 I mean maybe he may well he probably won't have

00:10:52.840 announced by tomorrow by the time he's closed out

00:10:54.360 Miliband doing it

00:10:55.240 I'm not saying

00:10:59.460 he can do any of these

00:11:00.960 I'm not suggesting that you're

00:11:02.840 making the argument that he's competent

00:11:04.600 exactly because as far

00:11:07.080 as I'm aware his entire career is basically government

00:11:08.880 handouts so great

00:11:10.460 um but that is actually very much in line with what the north expects because what what their

00:11:19.420 what their um the way that they held themselves in esteem was not through entrepreneurialism

00:11:30.320 right that's not possible when it's like okay well what do you do well there's a coal mine here

00:11:35.180 go on be an entrepreneur around a coal mine no you're going to go down the mine and you're

00:11:39.040 going to work that's you being an entrepreneur right and that has to be either a state owned

00:11:43.280 or state sort of instantiated business right this is not something you can just rack up you know

00:11:48.680 rock up with your own little coal mine and maybe it grows into a bigger coal mining operation

00:11:52.600 that's not how that works right this is the sort of thing that requires mega industrial power

00:11:56.620 finance organization expertise to get this industry up and running but just give give me a job i'll

00:12:03.360 work hard and i also want respect and if i get those three things i'm happy exactly i i want to

00:12:08.820 know that my family will be taken care of if i die in a terrible accident i want a good pension

00:12:13.540 for spending my life breaking my back doing all this hard work i want respect for be for providing

00:12:19.620 you with this you desperately need if you want you know the what i mean a hundred years ago it

00:12:24.460 was if you wanted coal to power the ships or steel to be able to make the bloody ships

00:12:28.920 you want the welsh and the textiles i mean the lot really yeah whatever it is whatever it is

00:12:34.120 But the materiel for the British Empire

00:12:38.860 came from these communities.

00:12:41.020 And so they weren't like,

00:12:42.460 oh yeah, we're super entrepreneurial.

00:12:44.380 They were like, no, we are,

00:12:46.900 our philosophy is one of duty.

00:12:49.240 Right.

00:12:49.880 We have, and therefore,

00:12:52.340 we expect reciprocation

00:12:54.460 from the party that we are relying on.

00:12:57.900 And that's what the Labour Party was for.

00:12:59.680 Even back when it was originally founded, 0.99

00:13:01.780 the purpose was Welsh coal miners

00:13:03.840 being like okay we don't want to get screwed by the imperial state taking advantage of us

00:13:07.780 we need what is essentially a party of ethnic patronage right well i mean the party's name

00:13:14.200 is literally labor exactly it was it's for people doing the labor and it was completely

00:13:19.040 transparent about it and it was obviously a necessary thing yes in the context of liberals

00:13:24.020 presiding over a worldwide empire you're like well we're gonna let the market deal with it it's like

00:13:28.840 okay okay okay but i mean everything you're describing is radically different to the labor

00:13:32.480 of today the labor of today is the the biggest constituents are going to be public sector

00:13:38.460 workers yes people on welfare yeah and people who administer non-jobs so di i mean you know

00:13:46.020 we know from our guys who were in makerfield if there's a porter on the driveway if it's a big

00:13:50.600 house it's a labor place yeah because of course things have changed because of the high paying

00:13:55.900 public sector non-jobs yes and this is why andy burnham hates margaret thatcher right

00:13:59.520 she essentially and the reason the north will never forgive her um is she not only stole the 0.98

00:14:06.160 source of dignity that these communities the average person these communities had but she

00:14:10.180 did it in a very cold and ideological way in the way that liberals have always dealt with it and

00:14:14.900 this goes back like you can see this in um the irish potato famine if you just go read the

00:14:20.220 wikipedia page it begins with the conservatives and government and because okay we'll just ship

00:14:24.660 in food then and the liberals then take over and they're like no the market will provide i mean to

00:14:29.040 to be fair to thatcher the the rate of de-industrialization closing coal mines and all

00:14:33.340 that kind of stuff it's if you put if you look at it on a graph it's it's pretty consistent from

00:14:37.680 callaghan through thatcher into blair the only difference is is that she didn't use molly

00:14:42.840 coddling words around what was happening she she described it as a necessary process she embraced

00:14:48.440 the process of the industrial but it it was a trend that was happening i'm not saying it wasn't

00:14:54.260 but there was there was a kind of coldness and a the attitude of the market will provide that

00:15:00.780 actually it turned out the market didn't provide right so it turns out that actually in these

00:15:05.020 areas if you're not there's a reason that in the industrial north that if you're not making steel

00:15:11.360 you know digging iron out the ground or if you're not digging coal out the ground there's not much

00:15:15.120 to do there that was the resource that you know they're not in um they're not like you know in

00:15:20.000 strategic choke points where trade comes through or anything like that no this is the hinterland

00:15:24.660 where the raw materials are brought from right so actually it turns out that was basically the

00:15:29.620 market providing right that was what it was for and so the the coldness and the sort of you're

00:15:35.820 on your own attitude has left these places absolutely destitute and the last thing they

00:15:42.540 had to try and claw back some of the prosperity and dignity that this community has was the

00:15:49.480 labor party which was now being run by a soft southern lawyer which has been hijacked by the

00:15:55.140 southern human rights lawyers yes exactly right and so burnham's message is precisely this and i

00:16:02.160 think that is what accounts for his overwhelming victory i mean look at the polling as you can see

00:16:08.840 right none of the polling even had him at 50 on the average 45 in the 2024 general election

00:16:14.880 like that's what everyone that's kind of where they put polling at and instead he got 55 percent

00:16:20.580 nearly absolutely trashed everyone reform underperformed conservatives well they performed

00:16:25.700 actually about as average lib dems sunk because obviously those people went to labor green went

00:16:30.280 to labor restore didn't exist prior but um restore polled pretty much in line with their polling

00:16:35.560 actually slightly under but pretty much exactly where they expected to be i mean very quickly on

00:16:40.360 that i mean i will say um look it took it took nigel farage over 10 years i think it took him

00:16:46.800 11 years to get to the point where he came third and kept his deposit yeah and they did it on their

00:16:51.600 very first outing it took him like 20 years to become an mp yes oh yeah no um well yeah a little

00:16:57.020 bit longer than that yeah after after keeping his deposit and so on so in terms of growth they they

00:17:02.340 did extraordinarily well not as well as we would have hoped obviously but but they did bloody well

00:17:06.860 but yeah the labor vote absolute bloody blowout yeah and that that was the thing that surprised

00:17:12.240 everyone and i think it's because andy burnham's message has focused very heavily in this narrative

00:17:20.560 of labor is the party of patronage for the north and the industrial post-industrial areas of britain

00:17:26.880 and therefore andy burnham is on what i guess we could just call a hero's journey

00:17:33.420 he's on a hero's journey for the northerners um we'll get into exactly how he campaigned which i

00:17:40.940 think is really shows what i'm saying here um but you can look at the um uh the uh focus groups that

00:17:48.280 they did before the election right um you have for example mike irvin a veteran who told us he'd

00:17:53.160 never voted labor in his life but had been to a coffee morning hosted by burnham and was considering

00:17:57.160 voting for burnham we've got a voice here to change the country we've got a chance of the

00:18:01.280 lifetime here to impact the way we want it to be it's exactly how we talk about rupert low exactly

00:18:07.240 how we talk about rupert oh they're trying to we're trying to restore the country because we've

00:18:10.860 given up on the on the conservative party but they're trying to restore the labor party yes

00:18:15.620 that's exactly it andy burnham's message was a deeply right-wing message it was restore labor

00:18:19.780 yes whereas we're like restore britain you can always imagine andy burnham in the middle of a

00:18:23.580 field saying we're going to restore labor party it's going to be incredibly painful but it needs

00:18:27.440 to be done never go to a field yes go to a mancunian yes post-industrial he could make a

00:18:32.580 version of closed down factory he could make a version of the rupert low video except directed

00:18:37.220 at we're going to save the labor party 100 it was an expressly nativist campaign he didn't bring up

00:18:43.200 immigrants he wasn't posing with black people all the time although there are one or two black

00:18:47.480 people in those videos but like he's not posing with foreigners he's saying no it's for us the

00:18:52.500 native he and what's he saying he's not appealing to an abstract category he's not appealing to

00:18:57.060 um british values or human rights it wasn't the 2019 tory party campaign which was rishi sunak

00:19:05.160 holding up a coin 19 oh yeah yeah yeah yeah the the diversity is our strength and posing with

00:19:10.900 as many indians as he possibly could it wasn't that it wasn't appealing to british values or

00:19:15.640 anything like that what it was appealing to is the native people of manchester that's what it

00:19:21.740 a deeply right-wing campaign he was running every everybody is right-wing for the things that they

00:19:29.720 care about exactly if that's precisely it right and so these people are like oh yeah great andy

00:19:34.960 burnham uh and uh one chap says andy burnham was one of us which is true he literally is from this

00:19:40.860 area he grew up in this area he is literally a product of this area and as the mayor his kids

00:19:45.720 go to school there or something they literally go to school there so he chose an area that always

00:19:50.620 voted Labour it was becoming disillusioned and was like no I'm literally from here I'm going to do

00:19:55.880 what Rupert Lowe is doing elsewhere for us I mean he didn't mention Rupert Lowe obviously but that's

00:20:01.160 the message is yeah this is a nativist movement for the north that Andy Burnham is leading why

00:20:07.120 to recapture the Labour Party from those southern human rights lawyers who kidnapped it right that's

00:20:13.940 he's on a hero's journey and that's why boom like Rupert Lowe and Great Yarmouth I'm gonna I'm gonna

00:20:19.060 recapture britain from the interests that have taken it away from us he made the same pitch yeah

00:20:24.040 younger viewers won't remember this but in the early years of the blair government there was

00:20:27.760 so much of this discussion you could find a an old-time labor figure bemoaning and railing

00:20:34.180 against the blair government because they recognized basically what you're describing

00:20:37.540 now which is the labor party was being hijacked by southern lawyers yes that's exactly what

00:20:43.960 happened and this is exactly the sort of thing you hear in the polling groups like um you've got

00:20:48.520 people like just randomly saying well i like him more than kirstama i think he's more for the

00:20:52.440 working class that's just how he comes across he's one of us rather than one of these politicians

00:20:56.620 like the majority of them that you can't trust another one said i don't know much about him

00:21:00.640 kirstama uh but i know i don't like him but when i'm actually asked the question i can't tell you

00:21:06.620 why i don't like him it's because he just doesn't feel like he's on your side yes you're not his

00:21:11.540 concerned so i mean i watch all of the left wing podcasts you know the news agents and the the one

00:21:18.940 without rory stewart bloke and the other the the war crime guy and a whole whole bunch of them and

00:21:23.940 they're you mean alistair campbell and they've they've all been over the last 24 hours they've

00:21:28.900 all been trying to answer this question why is keir starmer so hated and the thing is from the

00:21:34.640 perspective of the machine yeah he did everything right that's why they like him yeah he managed to

00:21:40.760 stay in it's it's it's why the machine liked him it's why they liked him and they're completely

00:21:46.820 unable to answer the question why would anyone dislike him yeah they don't they the late the

00:21:52.420 modern the modern labor party the model if they simply cannot see the problem because kiss armor

00:21:58.160 in isolation if you knew nothing about british politics he'd feel like labor's john major right

00:22:04.160 he's boring he's really really boring why do you have any strong feelings about him at all

00:22:09.920 he's a gray man in a gray suit talking through his nose like you you would think it'd be like okay

00:22:15.860 well he's just really dull don't know how he ever wants to do is follow the procedure exactly and

00:22:20.400 jail his political enemies well exactly yes but it's because he feels like he is an enemy he feels

00:22:26.600 like he's against you and that's what this person in make of it i can't tell you why i don't like

00:22:30.620 him but i just don't like him and it's like yeah no no one does because he's not on your side

00:22:35.080 whereas andy burnham where he serves the machine which is not on your side exactly the machines

00:22:39.300 the machine has become blairite it has become southern labor lawyers exactly the machine

00:22:44.400 captured your party has taken your party of patronage your and and again like it there are

00:22:51.140 areas in the south that have always voted conservative but there are a lot fewer and

00:22:54.920 further between than they are in the north when it's always voting labor right they the the south

00:22:59.720 can quite easily flip between lib dem and conservative because essentially it's yes do

00:23:04.160 you want a smiley happy person who's going to leave you alone forever or do you want a slightly

00:23:08.440 more serious i live i live in the typical south winchester typical southern affluent flips all

00:23:14.580 the time between taurian labor sorry taurian lib dem yeah because it's just do you want the the

00:23:18.720 shiny smiley face of i'll leave you alone or the more somber but we'll leave you alone you know

00:23:23.720 like which which which version of leave me alone do you want is what's being offered in the south

00:23:27.940 right but that's but that's not the case in the north anyway so let's go on to the next um you

00:23:33.520 get more maker field focus groups afterwards and he says even some reform leaders said they broke

00:23:39.060 for burnham because it was the only way to get starmer out for others there was a real optimism

00:23:43.160 tinged with relief interestingly they don't mind to they didn't mind that he didn't have fleshed

00:23:48.040 out national policies to be the prime minister because it's not about policies it's like you

00:23:52.400 said people are trapped in the machine everyone can see we're trapped in the machine we need a

00:23:56.740 guy who's on our side who can do whatever he can against the machine when he's in power but this

00:24:01.060 is why he's going to fail and this is why he's going to become more hated than even starmer was

00:24:04.720 is because he has absolutely no concept of what he has to do to change the machine and i again

00:24:11.280 another another theresa may analogy if you remember theresa may she coined the term of the 0.82

00:24:17.240 tories as the nasty party yes and she did smart yes coin wasn't it and she genuinely believed 1.00

00:24:23.500 that because she was a nice person that when she came into office if she was nice that would just

00:24:29.260 sort of emanate like a care bear stare out across the entire civil service and then all of a sudden

00:24:34.760 the the machinery would become a nice machine because because a different you know token had

00:24:39.920 been plugged in the top that's what that's what andy thinks he thinks that just because he's nice

00:24:45.360 the machine is good machine is still going to do the machine things the awful awful machine things

00:24:50.740 see i don't know if he'll be hated i think he'll be viewed as a tragic figure because i do think

00:24:55.640 you're right that he'll do you think that boris johnson is a tragic figure or a hated figure

00:24:59.120 oh um well hated now obviously right that's because um labor always labor didn't hate him

00:25:06.480 because he was a betrayer labor hated him because he was a grifter right he was a jokester he was

00:25:13.400 someone who would lie i'm talking about what the right wing is thinking yeah that's that's why he

00:25:17.720 was always hated by the left but that's not what the average person isn't like the left right so

00:25:22.980 the average person doesn't think like that and it's so boris johnson for the right is hated

00:25:28.440 because he's a betrayer i'm actually worried that there's a sizable constituency in the middle of

00:25:32.360 that who's still quite like boris johnson frankly yeah probably you know and i'm genuinely worried

00:25:36.080 about it and if you know god forbid he comes back um but uh but yeah i think burnham will be seen as

00:25:42.840 a tragic figure because i think actually a lot of people for him i mean whenever you listen to him

00:25:47.520 talk i think he believes it i genuinely think he believes it in the same way that i believe

00:25:51.360 rupert lowe believes what he's saying yes i genuinely think burnham believes what he's saying

00:25:55.060 too and so yeah you're right there's nothing there's no depth sure he believes all one inch

00:26:00.880 of his political philosophy sure if i can just get control of the government i can get it to

00:26:05.460 dole out gibbs forever is his entire philosophy and career yeah i agree he doesn't know how it

00:26:12.000 works but but again labor is the party of ethnic patronage for northerners right or and the welsh

00:26:18.600 right so it like for the mining areas if you consider these separate ethnicities to the

00:26:24.540 southerners then you can see exactly you know that yes they see the southerners making tons of money

00:26:30.160 and you need to reinvest that in the north that was what boris has promised to level up the north

00:26:34.060 things all of the southern money has already been extracted and we're now borrowing 130

00:26:38.760 billion a year from the bond market i know i'm not saying it will work right yeah i'm just saying

00:26:44.980 that's what's in their minds right this is how they perceive the world the the proper ordering

00:26:50.420 of the world is that yeah we don't really have that much to say about the south i mean what does

00:26:54.300 burham ever say about the south nothing he's got nothing to say about how the economy of the south

00:26:58.860 should work because this is to him like like you know it's it's it this is like it's like manna

00:27:04.600 from heaven that's not how it works yes it's like us two discussing i don't know shopping ponies and

00:27:09.460 makeup it's like i don't know anything about yes yeah all i know is it's my job as the patron of

00:27:15.920 this you know area of the country to go and extract money from london to give it to the north that's

00:27:21.060 all i know and that's the hero's journey he's on no i'm going to go down there and i'm going to

00:27:24.940 extract some bloody money from the markets and put it in the north and it's like okay well

00:27:28.300 historically that's literally what the labor party was for that's all they ever did and that's all

00:27:32.400 makerfielders ever voted for them to do and this ancestral party of protection this patronage is

00:27:38.840 a form of protection for these communities has been and they've been left for as far as i can

00:27:42.840 for the last 40 years like kicked out into the wild ravages of howling capitalism without having

00:27:48.680 the institutional knowledge

00:27:49.860 with how to deal with it

00:27:50.880 because if for us

00:27:52.560 the government collapsed tomorrow

00:27:54.180 like great

00:27:55.760 that'd be nice wouldn't it yeah

00:27:56.660 so I can pay far less taxes

00:27:58.640 yes

00:27:59.160 brilliant you know

00:28:00.480 I mean we need to organise

00:28:02.160 a local vigilante group

00:28:03.660 to make sure our streets are safe

00:28:05.280 but I mean after that was done

00:28:06.580 we could sort it out

00:28:08.140 yeah

00:28:08.560 maybe get a volunteer squad

00:28:10.780 to keep the water pressure up

00:28:12.180 but apart from that

00:28:13.000 we'd be good in a week

00:28:13.820 but if that's completely alien

00:28:15.300 to your world view

00:28:16.540 you're not an entrepreneurial

00:28:17.900 society in the north they they are institutionalized right they they think of themselves as being

00:28:24.180 embedded in the vast institutions of states and so obviously if you're in that mindset yeah no

00:28:29.720 it's it's righteous and just that when we provide x you provide y in return this is righteous and

00:28:37.500 and it's not wrong i don't disagree with that at all and this is how i would probably agree

00:28:41.120 that yeah okay well if we're going to re if we're going to have a resettlement a reconstitution of

00:28:45.080 the country yes i do want the north actually doing industrial things they want to do industrial

00:28:51.260 things i would be happy with some severe protection ed miller band would not be happy

00:28:55.060 with any of this you know he'd be very angry at me you know not my problem you know let's have 0.69

00:29:00.900 some severe protectionism against the sort of predatory economies of places like china that 0.99

00:29:05.240 have been deliberately trying to destroy us for 100 years well screw them we were happy making 0.99

00:29:09.400 easy for them but i know yes come on in and ruin us i do that huawei thing nearly taking over our 0.96

00:29:15.540 bloody communications infrastructure on the cusp of it with boris are you mad do you have no sense

00:29:21.520 of self-preservation but anyway right i i actually find myself kind of agreeing with andy burnham's

00:29:27.280 mission because i hate the system too i hate the machine yes and if someone can destroy the machine

00:29:32.600 which i don't think burnham can but if if someone's trying this desperate heroic last failure

00:29:38.400 okay fine i actually kind of like burnham for it well i mean he can destroy the machine just by

00:29:44.560 doing exactly what he did in manchester borrowing all the money getting the bond market to turn us

00:29:49.180 off i meant destroying the machine without destroying the country yes right oh well that's

00:29:53.600 harder yeah yeah i don't think he can do that right i mean you know i think rupert lowe could

00:29:57.360 actually destroy the machine without destroying the country yes um but i don't think burnham can

00:30:01.660 do it but the point is burnham isn't cynical right burnham is is actually sincere and he is actually

00:30:07.260 of authentic he is of the thing he is claiming to represent unlike keir starmer unlike tony blair

00:30:13.320 unlike david cameron like these are not people who actually represent their constituents you

00:30:17.820 could make the argument that keir starmer was authentically a human rights lawyer

00:30:20.720 yeah but the labor party is not meant to be authentically a party of human rights

00:30:24.480 well no no it just it just became that after blair exactly yes right so this is the thing

00:30:29.500 the system the machine is hijacked the traditional parties of britain which is why we're in this

00:30:34.400 position of complete turmoil fractured political uh landscape where there's literally five or six

00:30:39.460 parties that could win anywhere and who knows you know so it's just like it's mad and so it's the

00:30:45.840 strength of the narrative that burnham is putting forward that is actually what is winning and i

00:30:50.640 realize i've really been hammering this point but it's just so true like you can you can see

00:30:55.320 Well watch

00:30:56.500 Cheers lad

00:31:03.240 I was born in Liverpool

00:31:06.200 But my journey began in this area

00:31:08.780 I went to a school

00:31:10.480 About two miles over there

00:31:12.600 And I remember coming here

00:31:14.020 1984

00:31:15.720 And getting battered on these pitches

00:31:18.420 On the rugby league field

00:31:19.660 But I didn't hold it against them

00:31:22.460 I sent my three kids here

00:31:24.420 because Eddie's is a great school right that is a the most that's a campaign so right-wing

00:31:30.400 so nativist that is just you Keir Starmer could never have anything like this he doesn't hold

00:31:38.600 fond memories of anything yes he doesn't dream he doesn't love you know he it's mad and you you

00:31:45.860 see this over and over like here's um just his campaign speech we'll just listen to it and listen

00:31:50.380 to the way he talks. So what is that change? I did talk about the need to change Labour

00:31:57.220 in this campaign and we've got to now take this moment to answer the challenges that have been

00:32:05.660 laid down. I did describe it last night as a last chance to change and I think that's how people

00:32:12.820 here kind of saw it when I was talking to them on the doorsteps and they said well Andy maybe

00:32:17.760 we can give you our support this time but you know it's not a blank check it's not ongoing you

00:32:24.060 have to respond to what people here are saying you have to do something to make life more affordable

00:32:31.200 to put more money in people's pockets to give people more breathing space again so that they

00:32:37.580 can have a better life that's what people were saying and we must respond to that

00:32:44.120 yeah i mean it's it's so nakedly nativist this is labor is our party it's not kirstama's party

00:32:54.580 see the guy but he's just like yeah no that's so totally and they truly believe and this is

00:32:58.200 it's very overtly the case you'd be making which is i've heard the message go and extract resources

00:33:02.580 oh very much but that's fine because that's what the north was we we extract material from the

00:33:08.020 north and they need money from us that's fine yeah well it used to be that way anyway yeah yeah

00:33:12.500 yeah okay but historically traditionally this is what the mindset of the northerners is and that's

00:33:19.500 fine like that worked great okay great we've got you know good hard-working population who

00:33:25.120 extract high quality resources that we put to great use and that gives us that gives everyone

00:33:30.620 what they want this is the traditional settlement of britain through the 20th like 19th and 20th

00:33:35.800 centuries it was fantastic worked brilliantly allowed us to create a world spanning empire

00:33:40.840 yes you know and it's and and so i'm not surprised they feel okay why aren't we getting money from

00:33:45.500 the government now because this is always what we did why isn't that happening why is it why are we

00:33:51.120 hearing about bloody human rights lawyers and why are we hearing about all this nonsense this isn't

00:33:54.960 helping us and yes well i mean i mean they are still getting all the all the sort of wealth

00:34:02.160 transfers that they used to get the problem is is that because the government is overspending so

00:34:05.940 much the inflation has reached a point where sure though those those transfers are not enough and

00:34:12.780 they need to be up to keep up with inflation sure it will not work right the economy has changed

00:34:18.280 the situation has changed but the people in the north haven't right by and large where they've

00:34:23.280 been ethnically replaced maybe they have changed but the the white working class in the north

00:34:28.500 still remember and so i'm genuinely sympathetic to what they're doing here because for them this

00:34:34.300 is sentimental this is emotional this is moral this is a this is a a great calling that andy

00:34:42.720 burnham has said look this is the last chance before labor has its ancestral roots as a party

00:34:48.360 severed in these communities andy burnham has come in as their white knight the last

00:34:53.620 the gandalf of the labor party and he's like right okay i'm going to save this and

00:34:58.580 i've never voted for labor and i never would vote for labor i i hate the labor party in

00:35:03.520 in every way but i understand why these people don't yeah and for the labor party to become the

00:35:09.740 party of minoritarian interests to become the party of abstract lawyers interests i bet that

00:35:16.640 feels like a massive betrayal a massive betrayal but andy burnham believes in the old labor he

00:35:24.220 believes in the communities that he's born and raised in that he sends his kids to he believes

00:35:28.540 it and so i'm not surprised that he got his massive win i'm not surprised they came out at a much

00:35:34.820 higher rate than anyone expected and we're like okay no this is our guy it's the same that we're

00:35:40.140 doing with rupert lowe yeah and so i'm actually i'm quite sympathetic and you see this in his

00:35:46.840 victory speech right again he he hammers this in his victory speech everyone know let me just get

00:35:52.300 it to the right point is about 220 we'll start there to answer that but i do say to my own party

00:36:00.580 this is a final chance to change this is what people said directly to me on the hundreds of

00:36:10.300 doorsteps that i stood on we must hear it we must act upon it and we must get it right there will be

00:36:19.500 no second chance but it is a chance now from this result tonight to build a new

00:36:26.460 politics based on unity and hope turning away from the path that takes us to a

00:36:33.160 divided dark politics of the kind we see in the United States we must now take

00:36:40.080 this path and put this country back on the right path and bring people back

00:36:45.660 together and get things working properly again now like you've said he's not the guy you're not

00:36:52.980 going to fix it but i take your point as soon as you substitute out the word country and nation

00:36:57.940 for the labor party it's very internally consistent yes and it's very right wing for them yes right

00:37:05.460 wing labor party restoration because you care about you're right wing about the things you care

00:37:08.940 exactly it's a deeply sentimental pitch he's making and so i'm not surprised that he did so

00:37:13.800 well actually now looking at it in retrospect at the time i was on the same plane as everyone else

00:37:19.200 but i've been thinking about it a lot i'm like oh no all of this was actually there to you could

00:37:24.080 have predicted but no one did the the overwhelming victory i mean everyone knew he was going to win

00:37:28.380 because it was make but like it was there and he's been very like i don't know kindness posting

00:37:35.340 you know he's he's showing his people that he really appreciates them and i can see why this

00:37:42.800 has an appeal like he's just constantly posting all this like sort of soppy stuff because he's

00:37:49.140 leaving his position as a manchester mayor now being a mayor of somewhere is great right it's

00:37:54.480 not a partisan position you don't have to play the political game you're not being you're not

00:37:58.440 in part pmqs asking divisive questions and getting the back four no no being the mayor is great

00:38:03.760 especially if you're in manchester you're like i've got 500 million from the central government

00:38:08.400 buses this that the other you get to tell them like yeah i'm opening this i'm doing this isn't

00:38:13.980 this wonderful this is great for us here in this place you get to be just a good news person over

00:38:19.520 and over if you run and boris had the same effect he was super popular after being the mayor in

00:38:23.820 london surprisingly yeah he was incredibly popular so it's just like you know i'm just going to do

00:38:27.960 this thing that will help out the city and where's the partisan argument that it's not there it's

00:38:33.200 just like do you live in london do you want boris johnson to increase stop and search of course you

00:38:36.960 bloody do have knife crimes gone down brilliant excellent but london or manchester do not need

00:38:42.700 to be legible to international treaty obligations they don't need to fit into the agenda of davos

00:38:49.400 yes you know no no they they are allowed to be particular yes and they are that's the entire job

00:38:57.120 and they don't have to be divisive in their own constituency and so they can come out like boris

00:39:02.180 or burnham with a wonderful reputation if you do this for like you know 10 years like

00:39:06.580 did boris was it 10 years he was the mayor of london i'm sure it was a couple of terms yeah

00:39:10.620 i thought it was two terms that he had um but anyway but the point is you can sit in this

00:39:14.980 this spot for a while just do a half decent job just do a half decent job and come out with a

00:39:20.720 glowing aura unlike in any other party politics right in any other politics in the country really

00:39:25.380 where it's partisan uh you've got it made and so he but you can tell he really obviously enjoyed

00:39:32.380 his job whether you agree with what he did or not there are a lot of people who appreciated what he

00:39:37.800 did there are a lot of people who appreciate him for what he is and he's obviously not an inhuman

00:39:43.520 machine man like he shows he is a human being and he likes people and people like him and so this is

00:39:50.540 i you know i'm looking at it thinking i wish you well you know i would like you to fix the labor

00:39:56.340 party yes because i don't want a demented party of aliens and rules to continue destroying the

00:40:03.260 country i mean he has run for the labor leader twice before yeah and got rebuffed i mean there

00:40:07.580 was a reason he's in manchester because he failed at london politics sure but that's yes that's

00:40:14.080 well go on i can see i can see the journey that he's going on but i mean manchester has a budget

00:40:19.720 of two billion versus two trillion for the rest of the country it is it is a substantially harder

00:40:23.860 a problem i'm i'm not thinking he's going to fix anything no but i enjoy the narrative that he is

00:40:31.080 because it was the strength of the story that you win on right i've come to believe that if you want

00:40:36.080 to be a successful politician it is the strength of the story that you're telling the constituents

00:40:40.540 and for him he has a very strong story and they rewarded him overwhelmingly again just like rupert

00:40:47.140 in great yarmouth very strong story people are yeah no i'm coming out for that you know people

00:40:52.000 feel like they're part of a hero's journey um again he can't win i don't think it would i mean

00:40:56.840 i i don't even wish him ill i hope he does win i hope he does do you know like anything to break 0.88

00:41:02.300 the machine even if it's now like okay now we've got like you know quasi-socialist northern retards 0.91

00:41:07.920 running the government and wasting money and oh god we're going bankrupt okay fine at least that's 0.97

00:41:13.020 accidental you know like angela rayner like lisa nandy andy burnham they might be retarded but 0.62

00:41:20.720 they're not evil they don't hate the country they don't hate the people unlike the london

00:41:25.500 lawyer set like lord hermer keir starmer yes like you know david lammy they don't hate the country

00:41:31.360 they were very quick off the blocks as soon as they got power to start going around arresting

00:41:36.020 soldiers who 40 years ago force of the law yeah but they they're arresting british soldiers who

00:41:41.280 40 years ago as a 19 year old um on the most dangerous day of their lives you know had had

00:41:47.100 had to use lethal force uh because their life was under threat releasing criminals from prison

00:41:52.260 yeah ending jury trial you know like you know andy burnham might screw everything up and of

00:41:56.580 course he's going to but like at least it won't be because he wanted to you know like so there's

00:42:03.520 that right so anyway burnham is currently engaging in his march to the capital yes he's actually

00:42:11.000 there at the time of recording but it was it was genuinely fascinating yes this this this this is

00:42:17.460 the bbc with a helicopter filming the train he's taking to get to london as yeah it's like lenin

00:42:26.760 being sent back to russia who do these people think burham is well actually burham is important

00:42:33.000 because what we're looking at are the factions of the labor party in their last gasp right so

00:42:38.780 everyone labor at the moment for anyone who's not aware is a is like the third or fourth party in

00:42:44.400 the country like is it you know you wouldn't believe they're in government you wouldn't

00:42:49.320 believe they're the current ruling government well we've seen polls that put them on four seats

00:42:53.360 yeah and they currently have 400 yes and yeah exactly they're 408 uh politicians mps uh they're

00:42:59.940 the ruling party with an overwhelming majority and they are the just they're a dead party walking

00:43:06.040 And bear in mind, this is the second attempt to do this, because Labour became a party of southern lawyers under Blair, but Jeremy Corbyn was an attempt to undo this, except he was on the hard left.

00:43:18.300 Yes.

00:43:19.020 The thing with the hard left is, you can't describe them as being particularly nice, but they do have a coherent philosophy.

00:43:26.940 Yeah, they want to literally describe everything.

00:43:28.340 yes burnham is soft left which is you know he wants all the upside and and lovey feelings and

00:43:36.500 and the redistribution from the hard left but he wants the market to work like it's a tory

00:43:41.660 government or something yes it is an incoherent philosophy well no it's it's it's it's actually

00:43:47.460 kind of coherent it's a philosophy of not being in charge i essentially what burnham is saying is

00:43:54.540 there's a hierarchy in this country and i am always second place i expect a hardline conservative

00:44:03.860 government that operates a ruthless free market that brings tons of money in and my job is not

00:44:09.980 to be above that my job is to be below that to make demands of that to get some of that money

00:44:13.900 back to me yeah so it's not a philosophy of rulership it is a philosophy of honestly being

00:44:20.400 um uh lower down it's let the tories have two terms to improve things and then we're coming

00:44:26.700 for one term and spend it well yeah or like essentially if this it's kind of feudal right

00:44:34.040 it's a it's a philosophy that accepts the tories are kind of the feudal lord

00:44:38.000 but as the baron under the duke i still have rights and i can still make demands right

00:44:43.680 and so it's like okay but you can't be made the the king or the baron or the duke because you

00:44:49.120 don't know how this works you don't know how he got the money that you wanted redistributing anyway

00:44:53.900 right so anyway like i said it's all gonna fail but like you you're exactly right this is the

00:44:58.420 this is the last attempt at resting the labor party away from the human rights lawyers because

00:45:04.060 as you said correctly keir starmer and the uh the hard left so um uh mcdonald uh what's her name

00:45:13.020 sorry diane abbott oh yeah oh yeah diane abbott in that but diane abbott john mcdonald um jeremy

00:45:21.440 corbyn diane abbott i mean these are these yeah but um rebecca long bailey those sorts of right

00:45:26.620 yeah you know the the the hard left that uh that managed to hijack the party in 2017 yes um they

00:45:34.240 weren't hijacking it for the actual purpose of the party right the purpose of the party is what

00:45:39.320 andy burnham is doing there's no patronage for the north that's literally all this party is for

00:45:43.440 make sure the central government gives them the money that they feel they're entitled to

00:45:47.200 because of the back baking back breaking but national labor because the the the labor party

00:45:53.260 was always a party of we're part of the national project you know that was the thing viewed the

00:45:58.000 country as a national project because they couldn't exactly be entrepreneurial at the

00:46:01.940 steel mills right fine that's all totally fine jeremy corbyn and john mcdonald i mean john

00:46:06.980 mcdonald said it exclusively quote my job is to destroy capitalism now that's not what the labor

00:46:13.060 party is for in fact the labor party was famously weird in socialist circles for not being an out

00:46:19.260 and out marxist party it wasn't there to destroy capitalism you know it would have its left in the

00:46:24.940 marxists obviously but actually most of it was just patronage for the working class they weren't

00:46:30.620 trying to destroy the british empire they weren't trying to end private property they weren't trying

00:46:34.580 to overthrow capitalism and the ideologues led by corbyn and mcdonald got in control of it and

00:46:40.880 the british public like not on your nelly we would rather theresa may there's some guy who pals

00:46:45.740 around with the ira or hamas and hezbollah no terrorist group that jeremy corbyn ever met he

00:46:51.140 ever had a cross word with right now that's true when we're not having it jeremy corbyn obviously

00:46:55.620 a hater of britain in the same way frankly keir starmer is obviously a hater of the british people

00:47:00.740 and so he mcdonald mcdonald burnham is right he is the last chance but the thing is he's also the

00:47:07.900 best chance because otherwise i mean if if burnham fails that's the labor party over yeah in in in

00:47:13.780 this clip so the oh the helicopter followed the taxi he got off the train is blimey that is

00:47:20.080 messianic isn't it but it is in the narrative of the hobbit coming from manchester to throw the

00:47:27.540 ring into mortal it is that's what's happening and peter jackson's drone and the thing is it

00:47:33.700 worked like keir starmer was like okay i concede i will come out and he has a little blub teresa

00:47:41.700 may style yeah he does without watch it just so you can see it but it's the question my party is

00:47:48.180 asking now is whether i am best placed to lead us into the next general election

00:47:55.940 I have heard the answer of my parliamentary party to that question, and I accept that

00:48:05.540 answer with good grace.

00:48:09.760 Every decision I have taken has been about putting the country I love first.

00:48:15.800 That is why I will resign as leader of the Labour Party.

00:48:21.020 I have spoken to his majesty, the King, this morning to inform him of my decision.

00:48:26.900 I will ask the National Executive Committee of the Labour Party to set out a timetable with nominations opening on the 9th of July and completed by the summer recess.

00:48:38.280 It doesn't actually have the blubby bit in this, but it's very Theresa May, you know, the country that I love.

00:48:42.740 There was a bit just after where he starts blubbing because he's lost his job.

00:48:46.360 and that really made me think because i remember i became emotional when i heard about the massacre

00:48:52.800 in southport yeah i blubbed at that myself um and i got emotional at the murders of henry nowak and

00:48:59.580 wayne broadhurst and rihanna white um and and all the other murders they all got me emotional and

00:49:05.340 and starmer famously is completely unemotional he did not get emotional at any of those well he got

00:49:11.680 angry at the white working however he did get emotional when his own ability to jail his

00:49:17.400 political enemies came to an end that is true i mean the the for starma the integrity of the

00:49:23.560 system the machine is everything he is the man of the system he is here to protect the system

00:49:28.920 and annie burnham is here to actually destroy it the only thing i'm worried about is is quite

00:49:33.560 famously the first scandal that he was involved in is lord alley has been buying his underpants

00:49:38.260 for him so is lord ali going to continue to buy this man's underpants now that he leaves number

00:49:44.180 10 do we need to whip up an extra fund so that the ex-prime ministers can have yeah i mean i

00:49:49.920 suspect that i mean i suspect that burnham isn't going to have mandelson controlling his labor

00:49:54.520 party for him no so you know fewer scandals fewer rent boys i imagine yes like so you know like

00:50:01.560 actually weirdly kiss armor surprisingly scandal ridden i mean starmer had so many rent boys that

00:50:07.280 associated with his former properties that as long as long as as long as it's less than five

00:50:14.140 he'd be all right it will be fewer yeah yeah uh and so just a quick thing is i i think what

00:50:19.560 what really is remarkable is andy burnham his morality is his like moral standing is in his

00:50:27.620 community is based on the relationships he has with the people around him so he comes across

00:50:31.980 is very normal very well adjusted probably isn't a weird degenerate perv right here starmer it's

00:50:38.060 rules and procedures it's not about your actual relationships with people so he can be weird and

00:50:43.460 degenerate as long as it's not affecting the rules and procedures and so this very very different

00:50:48.040 kinds of men who are but anyway the point being andy burnham has won the first battle right he

00:50:56.220 has managed to actually oust the southern human rights lawyers from the position of primacy in

00:51:02.440 the party you see all the knees bending where street is like oh yeah i fold let let him go even 0.95

00:51:07.740 lammy oh yeah definitely andy burnham could just be coronated and these are all starmers like you

00:51:13.900 know close they're in his government right now so this is the thing that makes me think that a

00:51:18.400 because i had previously said that there was no way there's going to be a general election off

00:51:22.300 the back of a leadership change i mean maybe and the reason i said that is because nobody would be

00:51:27.260 able to win the leadership without saying don't saying to at least 150 labor mps if not 250 labor

00:51:35.300 mps if not 397 labor mps um you're going to lose your seat if i do this because the support for him

00:51:43.600 is so overwhelming from labor mps he can actually now push for a general election if he wanted to

00:51:49.900 on the other side it becomes a possibility i suppose the thing to look for is how does this

00:51:55.020 affect labor in the polls does the labor i mean it's bound to get some improvement i've seen

00:51:59.680 estimates of like a six percent bump in the polls which would put them on about 24 percent that's

00:52:05.740 not great right no like that that no that is that's still bad yeah that's that's that's not

00:52:11.760 that's probably not winning and not not unless something weird happens on the right of politics

00:52:17.000 yeah um it's like he would have to get a significant but the thing is it's not impossible

00:52:22.440 that he gets one no because he is far more likable than kiss and again another couple

00:52:27.620 of quick historical analogies there so gordon brown did not take an early election when he

00:52:33.280 took over and it really cost him the narrative turned against him he should have taken an early

00:52:38.080 election but the counterpoint is uh to mention theresa may again she did have an early election 0.58

00:52:43.120 when she changed into into the leadership um and she you know pissed away a majority for a

00:52:49.680 barely workable majority than it was torturous for ever since after that so

00:52:53.720 which way we'll go i don't know i'm just saying that a i i no longer think that a general election

00:53:00.080 is off the table yeah i i mean i don't know i mean really up to burnham personally i think

00:53:08.720 that the side that the scale of the makefield victory for burnham has made it so now he is the

00:53:16.040 driving force of the labor party by far all of his his opponent has conceded um all of his

00:53:23.120 opponent's lieutenants are bending the knee and just being like yeah no we're packing in yep it's

00:53:28.020 andy burnham you're you're the king of the labor party now it's like okay so that that's great

00:53:32.640 if he needed an election to gain control of his party that's a problem that he solved he doesn't

00:53:37.760 need to do that i think he's going to be relatively unchallenged because obviously every the reason

00:53:41.720 this is necessary is because uh annie burnham was watching the labor party cratering and if the labor

00:53:46.060 i mean this was probably going to be the last labor government and if annie burnham doesn't

00:53:50.240 pull this across then the labor party itself will just die and that is a part of the tradition of

00:53:57.020 the north it's their ancestral party it is their party having these southern lawyers hijack it from

00:54:03.400 them and then destroy it so they can never rise again that's a horrible thing again i'm not a

00:54:08.780 labor voter because i'm not from the north but like you know i i can see why they'd be bothered

00:54:14.860 about this and why they don't want that to happen because whether you like it or not it's theirs

00:54:19.040 uh anyway so what what can we expect from andy burnham well um what was this just an empty tweet

00:54:27.200 what was that i saw it as he deleted it yeah uh that that was supposed to be andy burnham

00:54:34.520 congratulating kirsten oh there we go uh yeah so right yeah there we go so um andy burnham is

00:54:40.960 already taking a magnanimous victorious position here right kira has given huge service to our

00:54:46.800 country and i want to thank him for his leadership and dedication during such challenging period

00:54:50.180 what a generous thing to say because kirsten was why it was such a challenging period

00:54:54.900 is why everyone hates the Labour Party is why the Labour Party is about to die right yes so

00:55:01.060 anyway the point being he's being magnanimous right Keir Starmer was not magnanimous he kicked

00:55:06.000 Jeremy Corbyn out ruthlessly he nearly kicked Diane Abbott out it's amazing John McDonnell still

00:55:11.320 in another part of the Starmer speech that wasn't in the clip that you played just a minute ago

00:55:14.780 when actually who was he going after in his speech it it was it was actually the Labour left he was

00:55:20.040 still going after the labour left anti-semitism you know like yeah yeah absolutely burnham is not

00:55:25.380 being like that so burnham has legitimacy right because he's being magnanimous because he feels

00:55:31.360 legitimate and this is the right way to approach this no i am the true king of the labour party

00:55:36.400 i have arrived i don't even need to put my enemies to death i'm that legitimate well not not when

00:55:42.920 they're all bending the knee exactly but i and actually if all of them bend the knee he could

00:55:47.040 be prime minister a week tomorrow or a week exactly a week after this comes out yeah in

00:55:52.440 was it two weeks something like that they're gonna have a formal leadership election well

00:55:56.960 only if people stand in it yeah yeah ninth of july i think so if no one stands in it it could

00:56:00.800 be very quick exactly and it honestly could be the well there isn't anyone who wants to challenge

00:56:05.000 him actually because west streeting was one of the few other people was like yeah i'll put my

00:56:08.240 hat in the ring no no i've conceded being the labor party they do feel slightly embarrassed

00:56:12.900 that they haven't had a woman prime minister and they haven't had an ethnic candidate it's always

00:56:17.920 a white man so there will but so there will be some pressure to find a either a woman or an

00:56:25.160 ethnic minority but labor they always go for a white man so they're probably just have him

00:56:30.660 yeah and the thing is what i think there's a sense of urgency in labor at the moment

00:56:34.980 yeah they should be yeah exactly they're looking at the polling like god we've got three years and

00:56:39.180 them with dead just dead party so i genuinely think it's entirely likely we see that essentially

00:56:45.500 this good no no i'm not both of them contesting it you know the people who said they were going

00:56:49.280 to contest it have already conceded andy burnham probably is just coronated as people say and he's

00:56:55.000 taking the magnanimous um perspective in yeah no i don't need to kick his thumb right even though

00:57:00.300 look at what he's done to us look at what he's done to the country look at what you know you

00:57:04.180 could easily if you were feeling vengeful just be like no you're out it would be i'll even let

00:57:09.860 jeremy corbyn back in yes it would be it would be very funny if starmer got the corbyn treatment

00:57:14.460 would be symbolic right yes i suspect that bernard might well let corbyn back in actually well i mean

00:57:19.500 that would be a smart move because yeah the the reason why labour is in so much trouble is because

00:57:23.720 it's losing i think it's 18 of its vote to the left to the greens and 17 to the right or maybe

00:57:29.920 the other way around the point is they're being split off on both sides you you can't do much

00:57:35.560 about the right but what you can do is you can shore up the left and you can make the labor the

00:57:41.320 big tent of the left again and all you've got to do is let in was it zawa soltano and corbyn and

00:57:46.700 whatever else maybe even offer zach bloody polanski a position honestly not the not

00:57:52.680 unreasonable or unrealistic to think they will do this but you're absolutely right they need to

00:57:57.040 rebuild the coalition and burnham blair had corbyn in absolutely absolutely corbyn won the

00:58:02.380 leadership only a few years ago yep only you know less than 10 years ago jeremy corbyn was the leader

00:58:07.040 of the party blair made made no effort to get rid of the left of his party he simply simply said no

00:58:12.760 to them but starmer took it to its logical conclusion if you're going to say no to these

00:58:16.520 people why don't you just kick them out of the party entirely and the reason you don't do that

00:58:20.080 is because then you get the green party it breaks your coalition yes your coalition goes and this

00:58:25.320 is what Nigel Farage should have learned regarding Rupert Lowe exactly he was the right of your

00:58:30.260 party he was part of your coalition you got frightened and instead of just saying no to him

00:58:35.740 because he you could have done he couldn't have taken over the party unlike Jeremy Corbyn no you

00:58:40.320 kicked him out because you're afraid of him you were like split your coalition you were fragile

00:58:44.440 like Keir Starmer look what it's look what it's doing now right Rupert Lowe is on the very same

00:58:49.500 journey to become the king of the right after Nigel Farage now obviously we're a few years behind

00:58:54.560 because Labour have been in advanced position on this on us but we're in we're in exactly the same

00:58:59.440 journey that Andy Burnham's going on right now right uh and so yeah he's he's approached it

00:59:05.220 magnanimously and you know you can be like well he's the king of the HR Karens yeah he is he is

00:59:11.480 absolutely the king of the HR Karens just before this photo was taken Andy shouted out hands up

00:59:16.160 if you've ever run a business yes uh I saw that tweet going around and there's I think it's the

00:59:21.760 woman right at the front there with the blonde hair actually retweeted and said i ran a business i

00:59:25.720 didn't look like you know good for her the one labor mp who ran a business hats it hats it burn

00:59:31.140 burns i'd not tosh is it yeah yeah yeah yeah um but the point is yeah he's king of the hr karens

00:59:37.420 but he is the guy who has the legitimacy in the labor party he's won everything they all love him

00:59:43.620 they're like thank god andy's gonna pull our skins out of the fire you know um and so yeah

00:59:49.460 what can we expect from him well um it's just frankly socialism yeah yeah i mean just

00:59:58.900 so as they say in this right uh business friends business friendly socialism it's just an extension

01:00:06.000 of keynesianism uh crosslandite middle way socialism and third way before it is is a viable

01:00:12.380 political idea we're told by the observer um credit to burnham for advancing it uh rather

01:00:17.400 than an intellectual

01:00:18.120 pantomime horse

01:00:18.860 it's a concept

01:00:19.400 with a long degree

01:00:19.980 of pedigree

01:00:20.500 because Mario Draghi

01:00:21.780 the president

01:00:22.240 of the European Central Bank

01:00:24.100 and the saviour of the euro

01:00:25.220 said

01:00:25.620 the state he says

01:00:26.940 is an engine

01:00:27.440 of productive investment

01:00:28.440 a provider of social safety

01:00:29.820 and a guarantor

01:00:30.440 of less inequality

01:00:31.200 and an architect

01:00:32.200 of the ecosystem

01:00:33.280 in which markets

01:00:33.980 liberal institutions

01:00:34.640 and competitive business

01:00:35.560 flourish

01:00:36.040 Professor Philippe

01:00:37.420 maybe the second

01:00:38.460 of those at most

01:00:39.540 yeah yeah yeah

01:00:40.680 yeah yeah

01:00:41.360 I mean

01:00:42.420 it can do

01:00:44.660 all of those other things

01:00:45.640 whether it's a good thing

01:00:46.720 and it should do those things is a different question and it's up for you know debate but um

01:00:51.560 anyway the joint winner of a Nobel Prize for Economics said capitalism is like a spirited

01:00:56.800 horse it takes off readily escaping control but when control its reins firmly it goes where we

01:01:00.660 wish business-friendly socialism about holding capitalism's reins firmly so it goes where we

01:01:05.560 wish and uh this was this is a position that is um currently the zeitgeist in the Labour Party

01:01:14.660 Wes Streeting cited the same Aguillon quote only last week in a speech about economic growth and

01:01:22.920 his advocacy of progressive capitalism, when he was making his pitch to the Labour Party about

01:01:26.860 becoming leader before Burnham won spectacularly and got on with it, right? So this is the current

01:01:31.460 dogma of the Labour up-and-comers. This is what we can expect. So they want essentially state-controlled

01:01:35.920 capitalism that has a huge eye towards redistribution, which frankly is what you'd expect

01:01:41.720 from the old Labour Party of the North.

01:01:45.020 It's what you'd expect.

01:01:46.260 Now, is that going to be good for us?

01:01:47.720 No. 0.85

01:01:48.140 They're going to tax the shit out of us. 0.96

01:01:49.860 It's going to be high taxes. 0.82

01:01:51.240 They're going to be like,

01:01:51.740 yeah, we're taking your taxes

01:01:52.580 and then we're investing in Manchester or wherever.

01:01:54.340 It's like, oh, brilliant.

01:01:55.480 So there is this funny clip of Andy Burnham

01:01:57.560 where he's being interviewed

01:01:58.340 and he does this thing.

01:02:00.580 I mean, his politics are very fluid.

01:02:02.800 He can appear to be pro-EU, anti-EU, pro this.

01:02:07.220 He's basically had all of the political positions

01:02:09.340 available to have.

01:02:10.220 and he was reeling off this list of issues that britain faced and one of them that he reeled

01:02:16.460 through was that britain is overtaxed and at which point the interrupt the interview immediately

01:02:20.500 interrupted and said oh does that mean we're going to get lower taxes the look of shock in his face

01:02:25.360 no i just want to pay fewer taxes yes um anyway so in this in this article they talk about his

01:02:34.840 advisors you've got andy howldane who uh was a former chief economist of the bank of england

01:02:40.120 who has cited the Medici effect of a program such as incubating tech startups or scale-ups

01:02:47.620 and creative industries. You've got Lord Jim O'Neill, former chief economist of Golden

01:02:51.180 Sachs, who I think, did you mention him earlier? He's from Manchester, and so he's interested

01:02:56.980 in this. And then you've got Richard Hughes, who was a casualty of the Budget League that

01:03:01.500 forced his resignation as chair of the Office of Budget Responsibility last year. So he

01:03:07.120 has some people with experience of this around him yeah i mean that i don't know what i mean

01:03:13.140 what you're referring to there is my is my earlier segment where i kind of basically make the argument

01:03:16.760 the only hope that andy burnham has is making a labor lord the chancellor yeah because he hasn't

01:03:23.040 got anyone in the labor party with the remotest shred of experience to do this sure um it quite

01:03:30.220 possibly going to be ed milliband oh yeah but he's got these guys as his advice or shibana

01:03:34.160 mood or west treating but it should be yeah but it should be a labor lord because nobody in the

01:03:40.500 labor party understands economics sure i mean which one of these would you trust to balance

01:03:46.400 your household budget like none yeah none at all i wouldn't trust any of these people with my

01:03:52.960 finances the whole public sector or former spads or journalists or policy advocates absolutely none

01:04:01.460 of them and that's my own personal household budget let alone the national budget but anyway

01:04:06.240 this is what we're getting right um and another thing here is how the catholic he's a catholic

01:04:11.080 he's actually not the first catholic that was actually boris johnson um but he said there's

01:04:15.860 an interesting quote in this where he says um i've always said and people weren't like this

01:04:20.120 that i used to have to read in the catechism the enfranchisement of it on earth was the labor party

01:04:27.160 so again we do not have the same relationship with the conservative party no that we do not

01:04:34.300 we do not talk about the conservative party in messianic terms no it is yeah exactly god no 0.97

01:04:39.780 you know again it's the party of please just don't fuck it up and leave me alone right that's all it 0.78

01:04:45.200 is um so anyway just to briefly end this then we got the farage reaction right so farage's reaction 0.96

01:04:50.320 to the makefield by-election was to concede that they had underperformed concede it wasn't what

01:04:56.820 they were hoping for but he's on the outside of the narrative that he doesn't understand and we

01:05:01.740 were the same we were trying to butt into a story that wasn't our story yeah they're engaging a long

01:05:07.620 important to be fair he's been reacting rather than leading for 18 months now oh yeah it's been

01:05:11.820 terrible um and he just says to candidates restore what do you want to us and it's like well it's a

01:05:19.300 long discussion nige but essentially we want what what andy burnham is doing to the left

01:05:24.200 we want representation we want our version of andy burnham to come back and become the king

01:05:30.600 of the right so he can save the right from oblivion which is where you're leading it at

01:05:35.700 the moment i mean i i i okay there's a long answer to this and maybe we do a show at some

01:05:41.220 point where we give the long answer this but the short answer is is what do i want i want i want

01:05:46.740 the um grooming gang scandal brought front and center and i want people to pay for that i want

01:05:53.440 demographic security uh and i and i and i want people who genuinely believe in the nation

01:05:58.800 give me those three things and we can all be in one big tent on the right as long as we have

01:06:05.220 those three things but and moreover if we have an andy burnham labor party we can negotiate with

01:06:10.440 that yeah everything else bloody tax and what i don't care about all of that i want i want

01:06:16.760 demographic security and i want a comeuppance for the rape gangs it's it's not a big ask and

01:06:22.700 i want you to be credible that you're going to protect the the native people of this country

01:06:27.120 i also would like lower taxes but i'm i can live with it i would be prepared to put that on the

01:06:33.680 back burner as long as my three core things are addressed yeah yeah you can't you can't give us

01:06:39.500 that and you threw rupert love out of the party when he asked for the first of those things you've

01:06:44.520 got no big 10 you've got no positive vision and it's not it's not expensive this is i was thinking

01:06:50.880 you're doing us doing some pieces on this because a load of people have been saying why doesn't the

01:06:54.520 right unite it's for us he's the reason we can't unite i mean he's got an entirely negative world

01:07:01.700 view like yes we britain is broken we demand a general election you're not ready for a general

01:07:06.880 election you're on 26 that's not a government you demand a coalition of the tories what those guys

01:07:12.880 that you keep bringing what's the point more of the same more of the previous paradigm more of

01:07:17.680 not understanding why you're failing on the right and again the framing is just very negative

01:07:22.880 andy burnham's framing was not negative he's i'm going to save the labor party i mean i'm a hero

01:07:28.200 raj isn't saying i'm a hero everything out of reform and its supporters and nigel and especially

01:07:33.560 the three wicked witches of reform which is you know nadine doris that alex woman and isabel

01:07:39.200 oakeshaw i mean it's just screaming at you like a girlfriend that you've broken up with 1.00

01:07:45.660 daring to know what the hell are you going to do without me you know how could you be so stupid 1.00

01:07:51.180 it's all that kind of stuff a a um a coalition between um restoring the conservatives are more 0.99

01:07:58.200 likely because at least they maintain civil terms between each other i mean i don't think that's

01:08:02.760 going to happen because the conservative party is absolutely full of lib dems so it'd have to be the

01:08:06.880 other side of a general election when all those lib dems get flushed out but if you're doing it

01:08:10.240 then what's the point you might as well just grow your own thing at that point but yeah you're

01:08:13.520 absolutely right it's it's the entitlement and the yelling and the negativity it's like what

01:08:20.620 in makerfield why didn't you make the positive case for reform yeah yeah that's a great question

01:08:26.540 that's a great question and he even says this doesn't he well he he accuses andy burnham of

01:08:32.040 stealing his slogan get starmer out but the thing is that wasn't andy burghum's slogan that was as

01:08:38.060 you said at the beginning implied but it was implicit yes yeah starmer's the evil villain

01:08:42.480 who's sitting in our in the seat where our legitimate king should be he's the denethor

01:08:47.920 of the labor party sure but that wasn't what andy burnham said no no i'm going to make it for us

01:08:52.380 i've got to posit it this party's going to be for us now and that's that's literally restore

01:08:57.520 britain's message a country for us that's that's the winning message and for us still has this

01:09:04.060 oh no it's someone else's fault it's someone else's fault it's labor's fault it's burnham's

01:09:09.340 for stealing my slogan it no no no it's your fault for being negative right you're just entitled you

01:09:16.300 think it's oh it's my time therefore i can just say vote vote to keep burnham out vote to keep

01:09:21.640 starmer it's like no no and you can see what the negative negativity has done to the man you go

01:09:25.920 back two years and the average clip you saw farage was him beaming smiling at a pint in his hand he

01:09:32.440 was so positive it was so much outgoing energy and it was like it was easy it was so easy to

01:09:39.320 at the time because he felt like a winner and he he felt to himself like a winner and ever since he

01:09:47.100 got rid of for our uh rupert lowe for the crimes of saying we need a comeuppance for the um for

01:09:53.480 for the rape gangs ever since then it's just been negativity and backfoot and reacting but it's

01:09:59.460 because farage isn't really the true leader of the right and that's the problem andy burnham has

01:10:04.720 because farage is is a poison chalice he's been this way his whole career from kilroy silk yes

01:10:11.680 through to rupert lowe all of the people he we used to have a guy on staff that had been

01:10:16.760 yeah he'd been backstabbed and polluted his reputation polluted by farage over nothing

01:10:22.080 you know got punched in the face and knocked out in the bloody european parliament because he

01:10:26.360 started to get too popular it's it's happened time and time and time again and so farage he

01:10:31.480 is just not the true king of the right that's his problem in the way that trump is a true king of

01:10:36.580 the right in america or andy burnham is the true king of the labor party yeah in on the left farage

01:10:42.580 is just not that guy he's the joffrey breffian yeah yeah he's fragile and yeah yeah and and so

01:10:49.720 his whole party takes on this weird negative aspect why would you reform look this is a reform

01:10:56.180 counselor campaigning in makefield i would rather vote for jimmy savile i already know why i'm not

01:11:01.300 going to vote Labour tell me why I should vote reform yeah I'm not voting for the person who

01:11:05.640 preferred Jimmy Savile than um Andy Burnham I would actually rather vote for Andy Burnham

01:11:10.420 like call me crazy but I'd rather Andy Burnham than Jimmy Savile like sorry why do I have to

01:11:16.300 have this conversation like why are you putting Jimmy Savile in this conversation it's really

01:11:20.620 really weird and then you've got those weird sort of like taking credit for ousting Keir Starmer

01:11:26.280 and it's just like you know yeah that's a stretch the fourth prime minister nigel farage was forced

01:11:31.960 out of office it wasn't it was late it was labor back benches who got rid of starmer yeah exactly

01:11:37.200 it was it was the people of makerfield on the heroic journey being like no no we're going to

01:11:41.440 recapture our party for us just like rupert lowe is trying to do and so obviously it's devolved

01:11:45.680 into infighting zeer yusuf who i just just to be clear going after him now he's my favorite person

01:11:52.960 in reform yeah he's got me blocked on twitter you know like he doesn't listen to me and things you

01:11:57.940 know zaya yusuf is filling an important role in he's the right of the party yes because

01:12:03.820 faraj has got this boomer mentality and my own mother said this to me not so long ago

01:12:10.720 uh i met up with my mother uh for a barbecue and she's saying oh i quite like kemi because she can

01:12:16.960 say um what we can't say and i said well what do you mean that she's she can say what we can't

01:12:22.600 she and and it was like well because she's not white she can say these things and i was like no

01:12:27.140 you could we can all say whatever the hell we want to say right we don't need to we don't need 0.66

01:12:32.700 to let an ethnic minority represent our positions because we're boxed in by this 30 years of 0.99

01:12:39.120 programming and i know the boomers they got it so hard they got it so hard but faraj is in that

01:12:44.080 he he will never say the things as i use it is saying so zaya yusuf is being there i'm allowed

01:12:51.440 to say this because i'm brown character now i don't object to za yusuf saying that what i object to

01:12:57.760 is that there isn't every native britain in reform isn't saying the same things well he literally

01:13:05.160 kicked you out he kicked bo out he kicked rupert low out but for saying the z the things that z 0.89

01:13:10.420 yusuf is yes and now even z yusuf is in trouble of this yes right and so nigel nigel's instinct 0.95

01:13:15.820 he's starting za yusuf is starting to become too white-coded so he's got to go for saying 0.56

01:13:20.300 that's literally where it's come to and he's he's become the right-wing nativist in reform

01:13:25.580 and for us just for some reason just hates the right and it's okay yeah you can't be the king

01:13:31.540 of the right then when you say like what what do you want we want someone who's genuinely a believer

01:13:36.300 his whole career is he thinks himself as the bookend yes you know this is the political

01:13:43.660 spectrum and i'm the right-wing bookend and at me it stops and if there's anything to the right of

01:13:49.480 me well that's obviously just falling off the shelf that's no that that can't happen yeah i mean

01:13:54.100 i i i like i said i don't dislike zeer yusuf at this point i've seen more than enough of him to

01:13:59.060 actually get a measure of the man you know if you're going to associate with farage you're a

01:14:03.480 bit seedy maybe you're a bit versus you know you've always got that kind of uh stench on you

01:14:09.340 but he he seems to actually get why people are angry with farage and the system yes see farage

01:14:15.300 part of the system and that's why he's tacking to the right because like the problem that farage

01:14:20.240 has he can never be the sincere right winger in the room andy burnham can be the sincere old

01:14:25.100 labor guy yes that's that's a good point rupert lowe can be the sincere patrician right wing

01:14:30.680 grandfather who's like no i'm not having this and i tell you what you're saying they're both

01:14:35.040 extremely credible in their role no nobody nobody even the people who don't agree with him even the

01:14:40.880 people like me who would never ever ever vote labor looks at andy burnham and says you you fit

01:14:45.280 i i understand why you are there likewise we've rupert low even the people on the left i say yeah

01:14:51.620 i understand why this is totally true because i've been speaking to a bunch of like you know

01:14:56.280 left-wing commentators who are like then they're outside of the centrist consensus right and so

01:15:00.760 actually we find ourselves well you know i agree that nationalizing the railway is a good idea for

01:15:04.740 different reasons to you but we all at least we agree on the same thing and they don't mind rupert

01:15:09.380 low for exactly this reason he's sincere he fits he's authentic i hate farage hate for us and this

01:15:15.680 is why i hate starmer well actually everybody hates farage well not everybody hates farage but

01:15:20.800 a lot of people do yeah but but the left hates farage and all the right hate starmer but we've

01:15:25.380 we've yeah andy burnham is is maybe you're right maybe a tragic figure is more the course that he's

01:15:32.020 on the note than i don't think he'll be hated like the way that these guys are but but anyway

01:15:36.460 yeah so um i i genuinely think this is the story that is being played out in makerfield i think

01:15:42.960 that's why farage can't understand it he doesn't understand why he lost he doesn't understand why

01:15:46.980 he's losing the right and he doesn't understand why rupert lowe got seven percent from a standing

01:15:52.480 start well that was the frustration at the end of his video he was literally saying what do you want

01:15:56.760 from me yes he doesn't get it i mean the hundreds of hours that we that this channel alone has

01:16:03.200 produced explaining in great detail what it is we want why we why we don't like reforming why we

01:16:11.460 were um you know absolute support we had him on the bloody video yeah you know we remember you

01:16:17.200 were a candidate for him yes exactly i mean and he and he doesn't get why we're unhappy yeah

01:16:24.900 so basically nigel just to round all of this off what we want is for you to retire

01:16:32.700 we just want you to retire and let someone who is authentically right-wing and comfortable in their 0.63

01:16:38.240 own skin being the the right-wing patriot in the country to take over

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 24, 2026

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