Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1036
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Summary
It's election day in America and there's just one day to go until polling day, so the lads discuss their predictions for what's going to happen on election night. They also talk about the most egregious murder to happen in the United States in recent memory.
Transcript
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Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Load Seaters for the 4th of November 2024. We've
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only got one day to go until the election, at least, well, in American time. So we're
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going to be, well, I should probably announce who I'm with first, shouldn't I? You know
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by now, but it's Stelios and Beau. Hello everyone. And I'm going to be talking about the predictions
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for the US election. Stelios is going to be talking about the most egregious murder to
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happen in the United States ever. Murders, plural, that's true. And Beau's going to be talking
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about a glorious victory for Africa in the form of the Tory party leadership, of course.
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And I've got a bunch of announcements. So it's the last day of merch for all the sort of election
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related merch. That's all going to go off of the store as of tomorrow. So if you liked
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the t-shirts and the mugs and the posters, you've got to buy them now or they're going
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to be gone forever. And also, it's worth mentioning, we're not going to be live streaming tomorrow
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or Wednesday because we've got the election stream going on. And what I have on screen
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right now is the time zones. So we're going to be starting midnight, our own time, GMT.
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And here we have a diagram. So, you know, we won't get a million messages like last time.
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Like, what time are you starting in my time zone? Well, here it is. You can look if you
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have a functioning pair of eyes. If you don't, I'm sorry. But Eastern time at 7 o'clock, that
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should be enough for you to figure it out right. So it's also worth mentioning as well, we're
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doing it slightly differently than the live stream for the UK election because we learned
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a few bits and pieces from that. So we're going to be doing gold tier comments, largely,
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although I'm sure there'll be a few silver tiers sneaking in. So if you want your comments
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read because it's a special thing, we're going to focus on them, show them some love. And
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we're also going to do rumble rants as well, as per usual. And also, we've got a donate
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function on the webpage where you can also add a comment to that which will be read. But
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the idea is, it's a special thing you can send in your comments on the night. We've
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also got more dedicated time now to actually read the comments out because between our segments
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in this studio, we have someone sat in the other studio reading the comments. And so we're
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going to hopefully dedicate enough time where we can actually get through them all. Because
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we felt a bit bad about people sending in quite expensive video comments that we didn't
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even get to on the night and had to read a few days down the line. And of course, we're
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going to operate so it's fairer on you guys, the more you donate the high priority.
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And we're not going to do any video comments on the night, just to be 100% clear. I know
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we've been feeding things out in dribs and drabs, but this is your sort of final update
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for how we're operating things. If that's a bit confusing, I'm sorry. I've done my best
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to explain it. But anyway, with all of that out of the way, let's talk about the US election.
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So I'm going to be discussing predictions for what's going to happen in the US election.
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And of course, we do have the election coverage that we're going for pretty much all night,
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aren't we? We're going from midnight hour time all the way until eight in the morning.
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And so we've got a full eight hours of coverage on election night that's going to be live.
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We've got some big guests in. And so I'm going to save a lot of our commentary for that. If you
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want to see what we're making of the election, we'll be talking about it as it happens. However,
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I'm going to be looking at polling and how it's being discussed in the media. And of course,
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it's worth mentioning as well, massive pinch of salt here. I feel like I wouldn't be doing my job
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properly if I didn't say polling has been off significantly in the past. And there are a few
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problems with polls that I wanted to put out first before we actually look at them. But it's not to
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say that they are saying nothing. I think there is still something interesting to see from polls,
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even if it's just what people are talking about, how it's being presented. Because polls,
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unfortunately, rather than being just an objective measure of people's voting intentions,
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they can also be used as a tool to shape people's voting behaviour as well. And this is something that
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gets discussed relatively often, isn't it? And it's one of those things that seems to be coming
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more and more the case when you see these polls that are wildly off. One of the explanations to
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that could be that they're presenting certain candidates that they might well favour as being
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more likely to win because that affects how people vote. And so that is something. It's also worth
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mentioning as well that polling is one of those things that's fraught with
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things like non-response bias, whereby some demographics are just less likely to respond
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to polls. Certain political camps are less likely to respond to polls. You know, some are done online,
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whereas some use landlines, which biases certain age groups. So obviously the online would be biased
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towards younger people, landlines older people. I don't even have a landline, so I wouldn't be able
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to do that. It's also more likely that Harris voters would be more open to discussing their
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preference with pollsters. I think that Trump voters are going to be less trusting of pollsters
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more generally. I feel like that's a pretty fair thing to say. I don't know whether you guys agree.
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One of the big ones is that people say something different to a pollster than what they actually
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tick in the ballot. That was my next point, yeah. That's the big one, really.
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In Britain, we call them shy Tories, but, you know, the shy conservative vote, where actual votes tend
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to be more conservative than people's stated preferences beforehand. And the political
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psychology of this, actually, because I looked at this when I was at university, is that people are,
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when they're talking to a pollster, they're sort of looking for gratification, which is a bad thing,
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really, for accurate data. But they're trying to present themselves as socially favourable,
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and therefore they're more inclined, as in like a couple of percentages more,
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to say the thing that they think will be more socially acceptable. Whereas when it actually
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comes to the ballot box, they're more likely to vote for something that they see as more in their
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own self-interest, which is interesting that it goes rightwards as well.
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But also what is really important is for the population sample to be representative,
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and that's always an issue. It's always an issue.
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Well, it's one of those things where how do you get a representative sample of one of the,
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dare I say, one of the most diverse populations?
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Yeah, but also of those who don't turn up to vote. Do you count those who don't
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respond to you on the phone as people who don't show up to vote?
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Well, people also don't know whether they're going to turn up to vote
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when they're talking on the phone to a pollster. They might get to the day and they forget about it,
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or they just can't be bothered. That happens. And, you know, that is disproportionately weighted
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to certain people with certain characteristics. And so that does affect election results,
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as well as the fact that sometimes polls are just dishonest. It does happen.
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And depending on where you are, I mean, if you know your state or your county
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is definitely, almost certainly going to go one way or another, that does increase the amount of apathy.
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It does, yeah. Particularly if it's sort of a very, very safe seat and you want to either vote
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against them or in favour of that safe seat. It just generally depresses town out, doesn't it?
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So this is important, that Trump was actually leading in a lot of polls recently.
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Oh, my poppy's just fallen off. That's not good. I don't mean any disrespect by it. It just fell off.
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There we go. Okay, there we go. That never happened, by the way.
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Okay. So, yeah, Trump was leading, and then a lot of polls all of a sudden have,
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there's no meta-commentary here, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, but lots of polls closer to the deadline
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have shifted more towards Kamala. And it seems to me that there's not necessarily any particular reason
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for this. I've not been able to figure out a reason from any of the pollsters,
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but that seems to be what's happening. And we can see here, this is Polymarket.
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They still have quite a significant margin for Trump here. 60% roughly, well, it's 58.1% at the minute
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in favour of Trump and 42.1% for Kamala, which would be a massive win for Trump, wouldn't it?
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Yeah, that's not even close. If that's what actually happens on the night, that's not particularly
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Yeah, but this sort of trend here, where they were neck and neck, and then Trump got out ahead,
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and now it's narrowed again, and now it looks like it's going back to being a bit wider again,
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that seems to be reflected in a lot of polls, particularly this first part where they were
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neck and neck, and then Trump breaks out ahead, and then it narrowed again. That point is where
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a lot of polls stop, this little part where they're spreading apart again, less so, but
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When was the second debate held? Because I remember a lot of people said that the performance
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of Trump in the second debate wasn't that good, and a lot of people said that that was
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a win for the Democrats, but after a while, yet the Kamala Harris campaign lost momentum.
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Yeah, I'm trying to look up the date. It was about three weeks ago, a month ago, something
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like that. So, we have a look at things like this as well. So, there are other websites
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trying to say that Polymarket is rife with fake wash trading, apparently, because they're
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saying he has a 67% chance of winning, and they're trying to denigrate this. But, you
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know, this is one of those things, as with politics more generally, there's a lot of
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partisanship with these sorts of things. And so, as with the polling, it sort of reflects
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the partisanship elsewhere as well. And here's another one, we're seeing that similar effect
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of, they were narrow, it spreads out, and then it narrows again, and then it's moving
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apart. This one is called Kalshi, another measure, and it's putting Trump 10% points above Kamala
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at 55% to her 45%. So, this is interesting, isn't it?
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Yes, I just saw that it was on the 10th of September. So, for some time, maybe some weeks,
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the Kamala Harris campaign had some momentum, but they lost it afterwards, yeah.
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When was the shooting, the ear shooting incident?
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Around that sort of time, when it was relatively close, and if you're looking at these results...
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I wonder what happened right there, where they start to diverge, bigly.
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Well, I think that if these numbers are to be believed, it would probably reflect the number
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of gaffes that have come from Biden and Harris, because, of course, Trump's also been doing
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lots of good optical things. You know, he went to McDonald's, he had the assassination
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attempt. They've been doing the media rounds and doing quite well. You know, Trump and
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J.D. Vance seem to be able to talk to people in a much more coherent way than Kamala can,
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and then you've got Joe deliberately undermining Kamala Harris, seemingly out of spite. He's
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done it on multiple occasions now, to the point where he's obviously a bit resentful at
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what she's done to him. So, here's another one. These two pollsters have a bit of a rivalry,
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and each of them have made a bit of a name for themselves. So, they've each got two different
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methods. One is siding on Harris, and he's guessed the past nine out of ten, and this
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other guy is guessing for Trump. I'm just going to read how they've calculated it, because
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it gives you a bit of a window into how pollsters actually look at things. So, it says,
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Lichman and Silver employ different methods to predict election outcomes. Lichman uses
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13 keys to the White House, a system based on 13 true or false statements about the state
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of the country, the parties and the candidates. This method does not account for the campaign
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messaging or major events influencing voter sentiment close to the election. Lichman claims
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that at least eight of the keys favour Harris in 2024. Silver, on the other hand, builds
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probabilistic statistical models using national and state polling, economic data, and likely
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voter turnout. His model adjusts for discrepancies in polls and weights more reliably, pollsters
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more heavily. Silver's approach suggests a close race, but leans towards a Trump victory
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based on his gut feeling." So, yes, we've got guts versus a regime stooge, basically. I'm
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going with the guts, personally. So, one thing that's interesting is AI has also been weighing
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in, and ChatGPT has been asked, and they, they, it, suggests that neither Trump nor Harris will
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be deemed the ultimate victor of the election. And that's what ChatGPT seems to think will
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happen. I don't know whether someone just gave it a message, the regular ChatGPT, or they
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fed it lots of data to get that. It doesn't necessarily clear it up in the article. But if that
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is the case, that's going to be the sort of most unfortunate case scenario for most people,
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isn't it? Because, of course, the instability is going to cause lots of speculation about
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things going awry, and probably not the best. And, go ahead.
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No, I think that there will be some kind of instability, because I think that whatever the result is going
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to be, each side, every side is going to contest if they are losing.
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This is a good point, actually. While you've brought it up, we might not necessarily be able to know the
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result for certain, but we can have a better idea of how much people will freak out if their candidate
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loses. So, what are our guesses as to how that's going to go? Because I am sort of hesitant to imagine
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that people are just going to sit down and accept it, no matter who wins.
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Yeah, well, I would say one of my predictions for tomorrow night, or the night after tomorrow,
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it will be that, yeah, it won't be clear by 8am at our time. It won't be clear. Lots and lots of
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things will be contested. Yeah, and as for how both sides react, well, if we just look at the past,
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when Republicans lose or Republicans side, I mean, there is the January 6th thing, which in the scheme,
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if you're going to call it an insurrection, which I think is absurd to describe it with that word,
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but if you are going to do that, it's a very, very civilised form of insurrection, right? A guy walking
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around the Capitol building, not really, not breaking anything or not really hurting anyone. In fact,
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there was that one woman that was shot a point-blank range by a guard, wasn't it? So that's how they
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react. That was their sort of knee-jerk reaction. On the other side, whole city's getting burnt down
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for like years on end and massive unrest for months and months and months or years. So based on that,
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I would have thought that the Democratic reaction to losing would be far worse.
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But I think that my guess would be that if Trump loses, things will be more severe than the Jan 6th
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thing, because as you say, the most armed population in the world turned up unarmed and they did
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That's undeniable. Crimes were done, but they're not quite insurrectionary. Whereas the Democrats,
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I think, it's sort of difficult to tell in my mind. They could be so demoralised that they don't
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really do very much because their candidate isn't very good in the first place. She doesn't have
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much enthusiasm, so there's less to fool. But on the other hand, it could be that, you know, Trump
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is even more scary than before and therefore it's the fate of American democracy. I think I'm erring
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more on that side of things, that they're going to be even more hysterical and irrational and
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I think I'm inclined to agree with you and I'll add some bits. So first of all, I think also that the
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Trump side is going to react worse if Kamala Harris wins. They're going to react in a more severe way.
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I don't think that Democrats will react in the same way in the short run because it seems to me
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that they want to appear as if they're more institutionally respectful. But it seems to me
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that for some time now, they are preparing the supporters to just constantly go on strikes and
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say he's not my president and constantly create trouble. Because that's, in a sense, the leftist
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mentality is just, if I lose, I constantly try to create conditions that are trying to delegitimise
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So they're just going to make his timing off. It's very, very difficult. They're sort of going to
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cut their nose to spite their face and make America suffer just because they want him to look bad.
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Yes, but I don't think they're going to do something like January 6th. But I think that
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they're going to do more of a, you could say, protest of attrition for a long time event. That's what I
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I mean, me saying that just look at the past and that will happen again. I mean, that's not really what I'm
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saying. Of course, I'm a historian. Yeah, yeah. History may rhyme, but it never plays out exactly
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the same. Again, it just never does. But yeah, I think everything you've said, right, I think the
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key thing will be if it's close or not. If Trump does win by 10 points or more, and it's just clear,
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you know, he gets 350 electoral seats, whatever, and it's just not close and it's just kind of a slam dunk.
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It will be a completely different reaction to if it's close and it's contested for weeks and weeks
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and weeks. That's when it was bad. I mean, I use the example of the decline and fall of the Roman,
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Roman, ancient Roman Republic quite a lot. But there you can see, and there's other examples of when
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republics started to crumble throughout history, the Athenian Republic, for example, is that when they
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realise that their politics are completely corrupt and it's all done by bribery and criminal means of
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vote rigging and all that sort of thing, it takes quite a few election cycles before it ends with,
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in the Roman example, the actual forum and the Senate House being burnt down. They still had
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generations and generations before it ended up like that. So if the modern day United States Republic is
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anything to go by, they're still quite early on in that process. It was, you know, there's been
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shenanigans going back for a long time, going back to the 19th century. The 1960 election was iffy,
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the 2000 election was iffy. But it's only really in the last two, or the last one really, where it was,
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where big cracks were starting to appear, at least in people's perceptions of how fair it was.
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So I still don't think we're anywhere close to something like Clodius and Milo and street mobs and
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the full breakdown of law and the capital building becoming a bastion and buildings getting burnt down.
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I think we're still a long way from that in the example of the modern United States. But we'll see. I think
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it really, really depends if Trump is sort of undisputedly wins or Kamala undisputedly wins. I think that's the key thing.
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Of course, these things, we never know what's going to happen. You know, lots of people make and break their careers on this.
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But I've got to fly through my links because I've hardly gone through any of them yet. So Betfair here is erring
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sort of too close to cool as well. It's more towards the side of Trump though. And then we have here,
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this is that professor we were talking about who had a bit of a grudge match with another predictor.
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CNN obviously picked up on this, predicted 9 of 10 and he's predicting Harris. And then here we have
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predicted saying that Harris has sort of, here are just the past few days. She's gone up
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relatively consistently. You can have a look at the past 30 days here.
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For example, she's going down, down, down and then she's going up and then back down again, which is reflected in some of the other polls actually.
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But we can still see their polling is suggesting that she is outpacing Trump. That's actually gone
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up a little bit more in her favour since I was able to have a look at it. And so
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this one I think is a bit dodgy. So it's saying Trump no longer leads in a state that he carried twice.
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And this is Iowa. And he's won it twice, as they're saying. And Trump explicitly said that this poll
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seemed a bit dodgy to me. And I think he might be onto something there because I don't think
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that he's going to lose Iowa to Harris. That seems unlikely to me. It could happen. You know,
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stranger things have happened. But I think it's unlikely. And another metric actually is Chinese
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bootleg merch. That's another way of measuring who's going to win. And I'm going to read a little
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bit from this. It says the so-called Yiwu index was able to better predict the 2016 outcome than polls.
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It's basically a city, Yiwu, I think, and an international trade centre. It has like 70,000
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different stalls spread across 12 different floors, selling all of these things, you know,
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cheap Chinese knockoff hats and stuff. And apparently, the camouflage Harris Waltz campaign
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hats were gone after just 30 minutes after going on sale. So this indicator that is obviously not
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in the domain of the United States, it's Chinese hats. Sold in China to presumably Chinese people?
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No, it's to Americans. Oh, I see. Okay. I don't think the Chinese are following, you know,
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I was gonna say this doesn't. Okay, right. Okay, I get it. I get it now. They're just manufactured in
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China. And they keep tabs on how many are selling. So they seem to be doing quite well.
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Deep fakes, deep fake hats. So here, Kamala Harris is leading ever so slightly. But it's very,
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very close. This is The Economist. This morning, actually, when I had a look, Trump was leading
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ever so slightly. So it's changed. He's gone down a little bit since yesterday and Kamala's gained,
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which would have been determined the entire election, if The Economist were correct. And
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here's another poll. So this is suggesting, this is the Atlas Intel poll. They were suggesting that
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Trump is leading in six of seven key swing states. He's ahead in Arizona by 3.5 percent, Georgia 3.4 percent,
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2.7 percent in Pennsylvania, 1.2 percent in Michigan and 0.9 percent in Nevada and 0.5 percent in
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Wisconsin. And then Harris leads North Carolina by 0.5 percent, which are very narrow margins,
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aren't they? And so that that is all to play for really, if they're correct.
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So here's a, oh, is that the same link again? There we go. Here's another one. This is S Markets,
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which is suggesting that Trump is leading by 20 percent over Kamala Harris, which is massive.
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So that's in the popular vote or is it? In the popular vote, yes. Yeah. Okay.
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Mm-hmm. And here's another one, which has been quite a, made a big deal of, 538 polling.
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They're suggesting Trump wins 53 times out of 100 and Harris wins 46 times out of 100. And what they've
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done is they've looked at all of the other polls and they've sort of mapped them on a map here. And
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they've, they've done like a meta poll. And so you can, you can go here and you can have a look at
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the polls and how much they, they put weight on it. See, they've weighted that Atlas Intel poll is
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quite reliable and that gives Trump a, a 2 percent lead over Harris as opposed to other ones. They've
00:25:35.140
even got a YouGov one there, which of course is the UK, which puts them tied, which is interesting.
00:25:42.100
But there are loads and loads. There's even more that they've taken into consideration. So that one
00:25:46.420
might be one to look at and might be a bit more reliable. It's sort of like a meta analysis,
00:25:51.060
which if I were putting my scientist sort of cap on, I might be willing to take it more at face value.
00:25:58.180
And finally, I wanted to end on a lighter note. What do psychics predict in the election? Because
00:26:06.100
of course, at the end of the day, a lot of this is reading tea leaves. It's sort of dressed up as
00:26:10.500
being scientific and political science, but it's not really. So Beck Lawrence, who runs Serpent's
00:26:18.100
Key, which is a witchery and apothecary in Pennsylvania, says it's too close to cool.
00:26:26.100
Miss Margo, a Native American seer from Michigan, sees Kamala Harris as the victor. That's what she
00:26:39.380
Saw it in the entrails. And Michael West, who's an astronumerologist from Georgia, says there's
00:26:44.980
definitely going to be a recount, but Kamala will win. Which is the most bold claim of all,
00:26:53.780
They got that World Cup octopus. Do you remember?
00:26:57.940
If anyone doesn't remember, I think two World Cups ago now, they had an octopus and they got him to
00:27:02.820
pick one side of his tank on the other. I think he picked wrong last time, didn't he? I think he
00:27:06.260
got fed to a Japanese person or something. I don't actually know whether that happened. I'm making
00:27:09.620
that up. But what I wanted to end on, really, is no one really knows. There's lots of stuff to look
00:27:17.060
into. It's going to be a very important thing, but the polls are pretty divided, as are America more
00:27:22.580
generally. There are some that are favouring Trump quite strongly. There are some that are favouring
00:27:27.460
Harris in a sort of weaker sense. No one's saying Harris is going to win resoundingly. And so what
00:27:33.540
everyone seems to be saying is that it's going to be close. Maybe Trump will win. We'll have to
00:27:37.700
find out. You'll have to watch our election stream to see what we have to say about it.
00:27:48.420
Ow! That's my knee. There we go. Knee in the desk.
00:27:51.700
Okay. Let's have a look at what we got here. So Johnny Logo says,
00:27:55.700
despite whether the polls are right or wrong, it is important that everyone is going out to vote.
00:27:59.460
That is very true. I would have said that, but as I'm not a US citizen, I feel a little bit like
00:28:05.540
a poser saying that. That's a random name. Says, I live in Montreal. Should I cross the border to one
00:28:10.660
of those swing states so I can totally vote for Kamala the hag tomorrow? Well, don't commit election
00:28:16.980
fraud. That's a Lotus Eater's position that we can all get behind.
00:28:21.620
Sia Oran 505 says, good morning, afternoon, lads. Alan Lichman and his keys are a total joke.
00:28:30.260
The goalposts and criteria change all the time, and he only cherry picks the polls he likes as
00:28:35.300
justification for his keys. I'm not surprised. I mean, if he's a dem, you know, a dem darling
00:28:40.500
that's cited on CNN. He's obviously not going to be a reliable source, is he?
00:28:47.460
Right. So we have news about a squirrel and a raccoon trending on X. If you have any connection
00:28:54.420
to the platform during the weekend, you will have seen by now that it was full of posts and memes
00:29:00.260
about a squirrel and a raccoon that were essentially euthanized by the New York government,
00:29:08.740
state government. So this is an emotional roller coaster because I have pets.
00:29:16.020
And if anyone did any funny thing with my pets, I would be I would completely lose it. And I agree.
00:29:23.620
Yeah, I think that if pets are like members of the family, aren't they? And if someone wishes harm
00:29:29.220
upon them, then you treat it like they're trying to murder, you know, a member of your family, which
00:29:35.300
they are. The only thing I would disagree with your statement is the like they are members of the
00:29:40.260
family. I mean, it's just yeah, there's a case of people kidnapping dogs and making them do dog
00:29:46.820
fighting in the UK. And it'd be like people's household pets, obviously not fit for fighting,
00:29:53.140
just like nice fluffy things. And just the evilness of that. Just you're you're kidnapping people's
00:29:58.740
household pet for your own sick entertainment. It's disgusting. It's not the way to be.
00:30:06.180
So it has received the sort of political dimension. The event has received political
00:30:11.300
dimension. Elon Musk has been constantly retweeting about it because this squirrel
00:30:17.060
what a peanut was his name was essentially someone who had more followers than all of us combined.
00:30:30.500
Even though I've been on Twitter most of the weekend, I haven't paid any attention really to this. I have
00:30:34.820
seen squirrel related things, but I didn't really read any of it. And well, I don't actually know what's
00:30:40.180
happened. I was getting people asking my comment on the peanut situation.
00:30:43.140
Really? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So we need you to, I think peanut has become a libertarian symbol
00:30:50.340
and it's important. So he had around 3 million followers across social media.
00:30:54.820
Has Kathy Griffin weighed in on this yet? I need to know. Has the rock weighed in?
00:31:00.740
No, no, no. Dwayne Johnson's a coward. He won't dare comment on the peanut situation.
00:31:05.460
Here we have peanut and Fred in heaven. Right. So we have several other posts. We have fight,
00:31:12.180
fight, fight, fight from coming from the squirrel there. And what is really interesting here, which I
00:31:18.900
found really telling that this is something that the government doesn't want people to talk about.
00:31:26.180
So I prepared this segment today and just a few minutes before we started talking, before we started
00:31:33.860
the podcast, one of the main accounts stopped existing was shut down. This is the main account
00:31:42.660
where they were uploading stuff and memes about peanut and Fred. And it literally stopped, stopped
00:31:49.860
existing a few minutes before we started the podcast. That account didn't stop existing itself.
00:31:55.300
I'm throwing that out there. The account didn't kill itself. Let's put it this way.
00:32:02.020
Right. So we are going to talk about both because Fred also was the raccoon that died and people are
00:32:09.300
reminding that he was also the victim of this police brutality, not police brutality, but state brutality.
00:32:17.060
So what actually happened? We'll, we'll get, okay. Okay. Okay. So we have here a very, um,
00:32:25.380
heartbreaking video of Fred the raccoon and you'll also see peanut the squirrel. You'll see them here.
00:32:34.180
It's just, what can be more wholesome than that?
00:32:37.780
Raccoons are quite cute. I know they're sort of pests and they go through people's rubbish,
00:32:43.060
but they're tiny little hands. There's something a little bit human about them, isn't there?
00:32:48.020
Yeah. And here's peanut, the influencer. He's literally showing who's the boss.
00:32:54.740
Right. Millions of followers. Yeah. Millions of followers. Okay. On Instagram, TikTok.
00:33:06.980
So they say here, make sure everyone, you know, here's the story of peanut,
00:33:10.420
the squirrel and Fred the raccoon. The Democrats went too far this time. They raided this man
00:33:15.220
because a hater reported them for having these pets. New York stole the animals and killed them.
00:33:20.580
This is the Democrat party. And we can just literally, we can just,
00:33:26.980
Marco Longo. Talk about it. And the raccoon as well.
00:33:30.980
I am so sorry. I, I, this is, this must be really difficult for you.
00:33:38.660
It not only tears my family apart, but peanut was the cornerstone of our nonprofit animal rescue.
00:33:45.140
And 10 to 12 DEC officers raided my house as if I was a drug dealer. I was sat outside my house for
00:33:53.220
five hours. I had to get a police escort to my bathroom. I wasn't even allowed to feed my rescue
00:34:00.260
horses breakfast or lunch. I was sitting, sat there like a criminal after they interrogated my wife to
00:34:08.820
check out her immigration status, then proceeded to ask me if I had cameras in my house, then proceeded to
00:34:14.900
go through every cabinet, nook and cranny of my house for a squirrel and a raccoon.
00:34:19.220
They got a search warrant? They got a search warrant.
00:34:23.540
Four departments and a judge signed off on a search warrant for a squirrel and a raccoon.
00:34:30.340
And then they took them and killed them. Why did they go through all that to get
00:34:34.260
a search warrant for an animal that had been with you very safely? And the world witnessed this for
00:34:40.660
seven years. Why now suddenly did they show up with a search warrant and, and take these animals?
00:34:47.460
We haven't a clue. We don't know who made the comp, the complaints.
00:34:53.780
So what happened is that this, this couple Marco Longo and his wife, they've started Peanuts
00:35:00.580
Freedom Farm, which is an animal rescue haven. And they have around 300 animals,
00:35:07.780
stray animals, and they are essentially caring for them. And Peanut was someone who was a social media
00:35:16.900
star, let's say. And he was getting people to find out about the farm with that account. And they were
00:35:28.900
making donations and they were contributing. That's how a lot of animal rescues actually
00:35:32.820
make their money. Because I actually follow a few online and, you know, I think it's a very good
00:35:37.540
thing for people to do. They just, it's a lot of hard work and it, you know, they don't exactly get
00:35:42.260
well compensated for it. And so they turn to social media. It's a source of revenue to, to bring in,
00:35:47.940
to actually fund the venture. And so that they sort of rely on this to be able to feed these animals
00:35:54.100
because it's expensive to look after lots of animals, isn't it? But it's, it's a very moral
00:35:58.260
thing to do, I think. Yes. So what happened here in a nutshell is that someone made a complaint
00:36:04.980
or some people, some, it could be more than one. I mean, we've watched Hot Fuzz. It could always be
00:36:10.500
more than one. They made a complaint to several agencies and the agencies came up with a warrant and
00:36:16.100
they knocked this person's door. They went, went into his house in Pine City in New York state. And as he
00:36:23.140
says, they took him out for five hours, they wouldn't even allow him to go to the bathroom
00:36:29.300
with unescorted. They first had to go and check the bathroom. And what happened is that they are
00:36:35.780
saying something that he disagrees with. So we have conflicting narratives about what happened,
00:36:40.900
was that what they are saying, the department officials are saying is that while they were searching
00:36:46.900
the house, peanut bit one of them. So they took peanut and Fred and they, when they said that
00:36:55.540
they have to euthanize them to check whether they have rabies who can cause encephalitis and human and
00:37:01.540
other animals and they euthanize them. Marco Longo says that, I mean, he obviously didn't have
00:37:08.900
rabies if he had rabies. If he had it, he would have died himself. So we have conflicting narratives
00:37:19.860
about what happened, but it shows in a way what goes on when there is excessive use of police,
00:37:27.620
of, you know, state force brutality. And also the arbitrariness of, you know, focusing on having a
00:37:34.260
search war and searching a farm without saying any, without saying why, and also just taking revenge
00:37:42.420
upon an animal. Right. So we have here the Animal Farm Sanctuary website. We can go down and you can
00:37:52.100
get an idea. They say, welcome to Peanuts Freedom Farm, where a second chance of thrive. Seven years ago,
00:37:57.860
a tiny fluffy baby squirrel entered our lives and changed everything. Peanuts the squirrel quickly
00:38:02.820
captured hearts and became a household name. Despite being reintroduced into the wild,
00:38:07.540
Peanuts faced adversity, losing half of his tail in a severe attack. Without developing essential
00:38:12.980
wildlife instincts, Peanuts became an indoor, non-releaseable squirrel. Remarkably, Peanuts
00:38:18.260
went on to become the first squirrel to mass over a million and then 2 million followers on TikTok
00:38:23.300
with a combined social media following of over 3 million.
00:38:27.220
It's nice to be outdone by a squirrel, isn't it? Several times over.
00:38:30.340
Yeah, by orders of magnitude. Yeah. One thing I'd say is, it seems like what these people are doing,
00:38:37.220
is it Longo? Yeah, Marco Longo. It's just, just obviously completely wholesome,
00:38:42.580
even altruistic, just a great thing. Yeah. So it seems terrible. One thing I would say is,
00:38:49.300
if there's anything to the rabies, I mean, rabies is no joke. I don't know. I'm not saying there was.
00:38:53.620
It's no joke. I mean, if you ever see people dying of rabies, it's, it's honestly hellacious.
00:38:58.100
It seems almost certain, Peanuts didn't, Peanuts didn't have rabies. Yeah, it's a state,
00:39:04.740
you know, they won't investigate other actual homicides and things, but this, they go crazy on.
00:39:09.860
Yeah. And he says also that there were 10 officials that raided his house. He treated
00:39:16.340
him and his wife like terrorists, as he says. And they were from New York State Department
00:39:21.860
of Environmental Conservation, which is a bit counterintuitive. When you think of these agencies,
00:39:28.660
a lot of people think that they are going to be people who have a relevant degree of
00:39:33.860
sensitivity towards protecting wildlife and nature. And it seems that they acted in the,
00:39:39.380
in the exact opposite way than people would expect here. Right. So we need to talk a bit about
00:39:46.500
the story of it because there have been, there have been people who are trying to,
00:39:53.540
to water it down and say that, and try to attack the character of Marco Longo and his wife,
00:40:00.020
because they said that they opened this, they opened in a sense, this peanut farm from money from,
00:40:13.380
Yeah. It takes a left-hand turn here a little bit.
00:40:16.500
Yeah. But what I want to say just from the very beginning, whatever they have done,
00:40:21.940
whether people find it morally questionable or not, I think we can agree that this is state brutality.
00:40:28.740
And that's wrong, irrespective of what a lot of people trying to point out about the past of
00:40:34.820
Marco Longo and his wife. I think that we, we, we shouldn't just say, well, if we don't like
00:40:41.060
what they did, therefore they don't have rights. I, I'm not in favor of that approach.
00:40:46.100
It doesn't seem like there's any connection between what they got up to in their bedroom
00:40:52.980
They don't seem connected to me. I don't know though. I don't know.
00:40:55.700
They don't seem connected, but there, there have been several complications that I want to make
00:41:00.420
both of you aware of, but also make the audience aware of. Now there was a lot of fake news
00:41:06.100
regarding the story of peanut in the, in, uh, on Twitter. There was this article.
00:41:14.420
There was this article that says how a squirrel became a rallying cry of the far right after the
00:41:19.300
lawful removal of an illegal pet in New York, right-wing activists called to arms by Ellen Lewis.
00:41:25.220
This, this, this seems to be fake news. The, the, the person who is writing for the Atlantic is
00:41:31.540
Helen Lewis. And this seems to be the article she was writing, the animal cruelty election.
00:41:37.380
And she says that this is essentially a theme that plays out a lot in this election campaign,
00:41:44.260
because we also had Trump talking about, uh, Haitians eating cats and dogs in, uh,
00:41:50.340
and they're actually eating geese. Yeah. Also geese. So it seems that animal cruel cruelty is a feature
00:41:56.660
of the, of these elections. Now, speaking of us elections, we have Lotus Seaters merch about the
00:42:01.940
elections. I think this is one of the last opportunities for people to buy them. They're
00:42:07.060
going off tomorrow. Yeah. So check them out. We have the brilliant mug with a fight symbol with
00:42:14.660
Trump. We have also Trump, the art of the grill t-shirt. We have several other products.
00:42:20.660
Trump fans cap. Definitely check them out. Right. So what's going on is that they are trying to
00:42:28.340
create a controversy by saying here, if you focus down on the controversy bit, a longer run and only
00:42:35.620
fans account under the name squirrel daddy, where he called himself peanuts, dad, and produce pornography.
00:42:45.300
Oh, she's serious. Come on. Yes. Just why that name though? It's just,
00:42:54.660
I don't know. So there's a question now, whether he was using peanuts account to take people into his
00:43:04.420
only fans account or the opposite. It seems likely that he was using the opposite. He was using money from
00:43:12.420
only fans to open the, the animal rescue. And they say that at some point they made around a hundred,
00:43:19.220
eight hundred K a month. Oh, I hate the 21st century. And that's how they built the farm.
00:43:26.660
So I want to say this, that it seems that they, they used money from only fans.
00:43:32.820
I want to say, please don't, don't, don't do this to me. That's big bucks though. Anyway, you cut it,
00:43:38.580
right? That's, that's yeah. I'm depressed. Not only the name, but also the amount of money they're
00:43:44.420
making. Oh, but they, you, they put it for a good purpose. They put it for a good purpose.
00:43:49.460
Squirrels probably living a better life. Well, yeah. So we have here the, they said that there
00:43:54.100
are several things and this caused the backlash. Some say they have squirrel daddy, peanuts dot,
00:44:00.900
very kinky player. And they have a stuff here and there are memes now calling for the exact opposite.
00:44:07.620
Okay. It's just, this is something that, you know, we have to tell you what happened,
00:44:12.180
but what I want to say here is that irrespective of what they're trying to say about the couple
00:44:19.140
who did this, this yet again, I want to repeat this is state brutality. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
00:44:26.020
it doesn't detract from the fact that the state came in and killed their pet squirrel. Yeah. I would
00:44:30.100
like to echo your opinion that I hate the 21st century. What I keep thinking while you're going
00:44:36.740
through this is the amount of injustices the state has done or New York state to people, but this,
00:44:44.180
yeah, this goes viral. So for example, letting out multiple felons who then go on to commit
00:44:49.140
terrible crimes against people. Yeah. Um, that's just sort of a common fair and it doesn't, it
00:44:55.780
doesn't dominate Twitter for a whole weekend, but this, but peanut, I mean, it does seem bad and
00:45:01.060
peanut seemed very cute and it's a travesty that he was euthanized unnecessarily, but it speaks volumes,
00:45:06.900
doesn't it, about our society that peanut gets the, the injustice of that is something people are up in
00:45:13.380
arms and annoyed about it on mass. It seems, but a multiple felon being let out and then just going
00:45:18.580
on a killing spree in New York city or something, not so much. To be fair, I want to be a bit
00:45:24.980
charitable to, to people because it seems to me that this isn't the only story that has caused the
00:45:30.180
backlash. We regularly see people talk about protest against how a lot of, you know, state actors are
00:45:38.340
present and their supporters are presenting in a positive light murderers. It's just, I think that
00:45:43.860
people get so much desensitized from constantly hearing news about it. And when you hear something
00:45:49.780
like that, which, you know, obviously the squirrel heard no one, it's, it seems to be evil for evil's
00:45:55.860
sake, which seems pretty evil to me. Yeah, sure. Anything the state does really, but particularly in
00:46:03.300
the us for whatever reason, um, various governments do like to murder people's pets, dogs normally
00:46:09.780
actually. Yeah. Sorry, do carry on. No, I'm just saying now there is a question now in a, there are
00:46:15.540
multiple theories as to who ratted the squirrel. Uh, and, uh, Mark Longo says that most probably someone
00:46:23.620
who was envious from, uh, the account from the squirrel's popularity. I don't know if we know,
00:46:30.340
we have here Josh firm, who's that guy, but he has a good meme there. He says, hate the state. It's
00:46:37.220
what peanut would have wanted. They made peanut into a libertarian symbol. I didn't actually make
00:46:42.820
this. Someone tagged me in the picture and I shared it, but yeah. Okay. But thank you to whoever did
00:46:47.700
that. Yes. You know, it's a big fan of Mary Rothbard or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:52.020
Yeah. Peanut the Hoppian. Oh, squirrels don't like sharing their nuts, do they? They don't say,
00:46:57.060
oh yeah, I'm going to pay a 20%. Um, I nearly said peanut tax. Um, I don't know, nut tax. That
00:47:03.460
sounds horrendous. Let them have their nuts. Yeah. Let me have my nuts. They gathered their nuts
00:47:08.500
themselves. You don't then get to take some just like, well, we're going to give you some amorphous,
00:47:13.220
you know, we're going to give you squirrel healthcare now. Nuts are not held in common
00:47:17.620
in the squirrel community. No, they understand private property, do they? They have territories,
00:47:22.420
you know, they, they're for property rights first and foremost, squirrels. And there have been,
00:47:27.300
you know, hundreds of memes about it. Pets for Trump here. We have an army of squirrels.
00:47:32.340
We have justice for peanut. We have to the polls, lads, peanut leading, leading the way. And here we have
00:47:41.700
a wholesome heavenly meme saying they're together again, Fred and peanut. Oh, let's not forget Fred. Yeah.
00:47:53.140
Sad news there, Stelios. Pick a, oh, we've got a bunch of, uh, comments there. Do you want to
00:47:59.380
read them all, Stelios? Yeah. So we have a lot. Raccoon Lives Matter, Keith Kaiser. We have Sean487
00:48:10.340
says, death to all MAGA pets. I don't know whether they were Trump supporters.
00:48:17.460
The owner had the audacity to mention he might vote the, the, uh, yeah. I mean, it's just,
00:48:22.420
yes, it's just Trump voting. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's ironic. Sorry. I didn't immediately
00:48:27.620
see it as ironic. Um, in XEO, this election is going to be stolen more than my English heritage.
00:48:36.580
I think that was for the, it was, yeah. Yeah. Bold Eagle, 1787. Squirrels can get rabies.
00:48:45.380
Rabies. Rabies. Okay. Yeah, they can certainly.
00:48:47.540
Yeah, they can. Due to them being rodents. Oh, they can't get rabies due to them being rodents.
00:48:51.060
No. Oh, they're saying they can't get them. I thought they could.
00:48:54.020
Not to mention, peanut lived inside for seven years. Same as Fred. This was intentional murder.
00:48:59.300
Try to remind the people who is in charge. Sean487, they sent 10 cops with guns and they could
00:49:05.620
not feed the rest of the animals and even try to remove the wife for immigration status.
00:49:11.060
They asked her and she's of German descent. That's what they won't remove a Haitian though,
00:49:16.580
will they? Well, to be fair, they do act as animal control on their behalf.
00:49:21.060
Right. Lion says at this rate, I will be teaching my dog a new command. When I say fed,
00:49:25.620
it means run for your life. That is a random name. Peanut daddy giving a whole new meaning
00:49:33.940
to these nuts. I knew one of those comments. I feel bad for laughing, but it isn't a twist plot
00:49:43.780
that you cannot not react to it. I mean, it's just, it comes out of nowhere. It's a nut infusion.
00:49:48.820
Yeah. N-O-P-H-U-K, scariest word in the American language. I'm from the government and I'm here
00:49:54.820
about your pets. I saw one clip just to YouTube short randomly a couple of weeks ago and it was
00:50:01.540
some sort of pest control people had gone into a pet shop and euthanized some snake against the
00:50:08.100
owner's knowledge. And then when he came back, they had like body cams on. When he came back,
00:50:13.380
they said, Oh, look, we've made a mistake. We've euthanized the wrong snake. And he said,
00:50:18.580
and it was a pregnant python or something. And he was losing his mind. He said that snake and its eggs
00:50:22.660
were going to be worth like $10,000 or something or thousands and thousands of dollars. Let alone
00:50:27.460
just the injustice of them coming in and euthanizing things without being jealous of
00:50:31.380
the snake's wisdom. And the people said, you know, we've made a mistake, but the state will pay for
00:50:36.180
it. Don't worry. The state will pay for it. Oh, right. Oh, well, it's all right then. Some taxpayers'
00:50:40.420
money will go to reimburse your mistake. It really annoys me that the state makes a mistake and then the
00:50:46.260
taxpayer has to pay for it. Like in the UK, for example, an NHS surgeon makes a mistake and then
00:50:52.500
then I have to pay for it. Oh, right. That seems fair. Not even the surgeon himself. He's fine.
00:51:00.500
Yeah, unfair. Take us away, Bo. Okay. So over the weekend,
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the Conservative Party in Britain got a new leader.
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Olukemi Olufanto Adegoke Badonyok. Bless you. Gesundheit. Yeah. He's the new leader of the
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Conservative Party and His Majesty's opposition and could potentially be the Prime Minister.
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Maybe. In a few years' time. I say potentially, potentially. Certainly the leader of the opposition
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now is this quote-unquote first-generation Nigerian immigrant. I say quote-unquote because
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I think there's some confusion. Jimmy Carr did this. He talked about how he was a first-generation
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immigrant because his parents came over from Ireland. Well, that would make you a second
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generation. I mean, Kimmy was born here. Wikipedia says she was born in Wimbledon, but nonetheless
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she refers to herself, which we'll see later, she refers to herself as a first generation during
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immigrants. So whether it's first or second generation, either way. Okay. So, let's play this clip.
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Therefore, I give notice that Kimmy Badonyok is elected as leader of the Conservative and Unionist
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Party. I welcome her to the stage and it's great. Isn't it great that we've got another female leader?
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It's great that we're the first great party, the first party to have a black leader.
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The time has come to tell the truth, to stand up. Shut up. Yeah, so it's literally the first thing
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the boomers say. Oh, no, it's a woman, a black woman. That's what matters more than policy.
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All clap for the black woman. That's what happens more than tradition and anything else. What matters
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more than anything else is that she's a woman in black. So, and that is about the size of it,
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isn't it? It speaks volumes about the Conservative Party membership, the rank and file membership,
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because they had a choice between Robert Jenrick. He was coming out with some base things,
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whether you believe whether it was all real or not. He was the first elected politician to mention the
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word remigration, wasn't he? Yeah, he said some base things. He said that the civil service should
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have a bit of a clean out and stuff. And yeah, he did say quite...
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Not that we should necessarily take a politician looking to become party leader at face value,
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of course. And I know you agree with me on that one. Just saying that to preface it, you know,
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like we don't necessarily believe anything that comes out of a Conservative politician's mouth,
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right? As I say, I don't think Jenrick, I've said before already, I was on record,
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it's already saying I don't trust him, don't believe really what he was doing there.
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But Trump in 2016, just saying crazy, it's kind of crazy out there, right wing things,
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because that's the angle you would have needed to differentiate yourself from the,
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from his opponents in a leadership race. It's sort of what you do. It didn't quite work for
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Jenrick, because Badenock won. But you know, that's what the Tory membership
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decided they wanted, seem happy with it. The question is how well that will play at the
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next general election, whether the general public want their, the head of government to be
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a Nigerian woman. Now, the question is, is she Nigerian or British? That's the big,
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that's the big debate, isn't it? A lot of people say, of course, she's British, she's as British as
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you or I as, or maybe not, maybe not Stelios, proudly Greek. No, she says she's as British as Churchill.
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Um, well, we'll see later that she herself doesn't say that, but she's as British as Boris Johnson,
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perhaps, who's not. I think a good way to talk about this issue is to
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talk about the different categories in which these terms are used. Because for instance,
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we could, we could have the ethnic category, the cultural category, we could have all sorts of
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categories. So when people are saying I'm English, or I'm not English, or I'm British,
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what kind of identity is it? Is it ethnic? Is it civic? Is it cultural? I think people are
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throwing ways without qualifying, throwing words without qualifying what they mean.
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That's why this discussion is just bound to lead to confusion and just, you know.
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I think people's concern from the writer Badnock is that it seems to be that in politics,
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just as much as in ordinary life, people's ethnic in-group informs how they treat other people.
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And so having someone who is not, would not identify, you know, she says as much, right,
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she describes herself as Nigerian with the native British population makes people concerned that
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she's not going to have the interests of the native British population at heart.
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And, you know, it is possible for someone to do that, but I think it makes the likelihood greater
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if they are of the same people. And this is, of course, something that if you go outside of the
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Anglosphere is commonly understood and is really uncontroversial and is supported by a wealth of
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psychological literature that shows that people treat people who are genetically proximate to them
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better than those who are more distant to them. That's uncontroversial. And people are worried
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because, of course, in Britain, in the UK, the native population are second-class citizens to the new
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Yeah, no, absolutely. As Stelio says, there's lots of different layers to the onion, right?
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And so it's just the ethnicity. I mean, she's Yoruba. Both her parents were Yoruba.
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So ethnically, that's what she is. But some people, left-wingers usually, multiculturalists,
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just sort of refuse to accept that. No, that doesn't matter. That makes no difference whatsoever.
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She's just British. She was born in Wimbledon. She's got a British passport. That's it.
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That's all there is to it. And other people saying, oh, no way. Actually, maybe that's not necessarily
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Because, of course, identity is not just a culture and values. There's an ethnic component to that.
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And part of the reason that I wanted Kemi to win the Tory leadership is that I think people are well
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aware of this now. This has gone on. The genie's out the bottle. You can't put colour blindness away
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now. And so having Kemi as the leader is a step in the right direction for destroying the Tory party.
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Because, with any luck, fewer and fewer British people, ethnic British people are going to vote
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for someone who is from an out-group. It sounds a bit harsh, but that seems to be what's going on.
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And people are fed up about it. Also, she's, of course, I don't mean to steal your thunder here,
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very much pro-mass migration. And you saw with Rishi Sunak, who is Indian,
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the major group that came into Britain were Indians. And they wanted more Indians, in fact.
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Celebrating Indian holidays in number 10, sort of immediately, and all that sort of thing.
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How can she be, on the one hand, pro-mass migration, and on the other,
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go out and say, not all cultures are equal? Which is something I agree with. The latter part.
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It's just saying whatever you need to in any given interview to try and win.
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And the Tories seem, want to communicate the idea that they want her in order to diffuse criticism
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Tory party members are, you know, just terrified of ever being called a racist.
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And they can say, look, our leader's a black woman, so I can't be racist, right?
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They're judging themselves through the paradigm of the left, and that's how you lose.
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If you accept the left's rhetoric and judge yourself by their standards,
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then you've already accepted them and lost. But you've conceded ground to them by doing so.
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So to make it clear that we're not just being complete, unnecessary, paranoid bigots,
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we look at some of the evidence from Kemi herself. She considers herself African and
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a Nigerian and all those sorts of things. So first of all, just a few headlines from
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the mainstream media. The Guardian there just saying, you know, revelling in her win.
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Sky News. Who is Kemi Badenok? It's a bit late to be asking that now, isn't it?
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I like how it says, what does she stand for? Shows a picture of her sitting down.
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Childhood in Nigeria to leader of the Conservative Party.
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Writers. It's the first black woman to lead the UK Conservatives. That's the main thing,
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right? That's what they're, that's what they're so happy about. Doesn't matter what,
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where her mind is or what policies she's going to push or anything like that. Don't worry about
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any of that. Again, Politico, it goes on and on. But so here's, here's one tweet from her,
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Yeah, this is really old. But she says, sorry to spoil your fun, Chaka, but the first Nigerian
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is already on the London Assembly and she's conservative.
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So referring to herself there, when people say, if someone on the right describes her
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as a Nigerian and they say, that's beyond the pale, you can't say that she's as British as
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Churchill or whatever. Well, there you go, in her own words.
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I mean, right there, it's just a slam dunk. When, to win an argument, to say that she'll do that,
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but then go on when she's speaking to Laura Kunisberg or something. Now she would say,
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good knows what she would say. Politicians say what they think people want to hear,
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my goodness. Pinch me. But there you go, that's just a slam dunk right there, isn't it?
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So here's a clip. I think we've played it before, but we'll play it again.
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Everyone needs to hear it. Thank you, Mr Speaker. As a first generation
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immigrant, can I welcome the Home Secretary statement, which I feel this immigration white
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paper is a move from the 20th century to a much better future immigration system. In particular,
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I'd like to thank the Home Secretary for removing the annual limits on work visas and also on
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international students, both of which I lobbied for on behalf of the Wellcome Sanger Institute and
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Anglia Ruskin University, which served my... Oh, well done. Oh, well done. Removing the caps on
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immigration from a first generation, in her own words, first generation immigrant. So brilliant.
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Not just supporting it as well, she actively lobbied for it. So she seems to have an ideological
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position in support of mass migration. So again, it's not just pure paranoia, racist paranoia from
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people that have got concerns. It's right there in, you know, it's a matter of record.
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Is she said it herself? Yeah. She said it herself in black and white, in an old tweet there.
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Here pointed out that she's, as her time in government has made sure that business and trade
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with Nigeria goes ahead, just specifically. So again, the idea that she wouldn't have any bias towards
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her, at least her parents' country of origin. Again, it's just not up for debate. It's just,
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It's not that I'm necessarily against, you know, trading with people, but it does seem
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that the fact she took an active role in this, I know she was business and trade secretary at the
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time, but is it not a conflict of interest there to do these sorts of things? You know, if Stelios was,
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you know, the dictator of Britain for whatever reason, and then all of a sudden, all we're
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allowed to serve is Giros. I mean, I'd be pretty happy. It's nice. But we would be asking questions
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Yeah. Stelios, you're all right. Don't worry. I got you. But we'd be asking questions like,
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well, hang on a minute. What's going on here? Why, why are you erring on this side? Oh,
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wait, hang on. We know why. And it's silly that people are just blind. It's okay to be from these
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various cultures, but don't pretend to be something you're not. It's silly.
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Yeah. And so all sorts of people jumping on the bandwagon. Ex-Home Secretary James Cleverley is
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obviously looking for a place in the Shadow Cabinet. He's loving her win, saying that male,
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pale and stale, that Labour are male, pale and stale. Just an outright sort of racist and misandrist
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thing. Just hating on white men, isn't it, really? Yeah. Yeah. And so that Josh Firm off Lotus Eaters
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said clowns, browns and pronouns. It's not bad, is it? Whoever said that, they've got a good sense
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of humour. The Firminator off that Lotus Eaters channel. Okay. So the big question is,
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is, you know, will people really vote? Will the main majority of people vote for the toys at the
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next general election? Oh, there's one other from The Independent that she made a rape joke on social
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media ages ago. That's terrible. Anyone who makes jokes about that sort of thing, that's awful.
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Never, never again. No, I'm joking, of course. She said something about the drum and beer rape
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incident. I don't even really know what that is, nor care. So the big question is, how will the Tories
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do at the next general election? I'm hoping for sort of truly zero seats next time. I don't think
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it's going to help them, is it? Because migration was the key issue of the last election and this is
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completely tone deaf to the views of the electorate, isn't it? Yeah. Electing a mass migration candidate.
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So it's going to, it's basically just, do you want red, yellow or blue progressivism?
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You know, you've got all these different flavours, yeah. Teal, there's the teal option.
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Yeah. Well, yeah. So, I mean, Rishi was sort of roundly rejected really, wasn't he?
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Essentially. Well, it was the worst defeat ever, is it? In centuries? At least.
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Or one of them, certainly. At least since the 19th century.
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And people say, sort of the Tory boy contingent, that the always Tory people say,
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oh, we're just going to keep giving government back to Labour, unless you let the Tories back
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into power. Well, I'm of the mind of, so be it, because there's no real difference.
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Don't see any real difference between somebody like Starmer or if Starmer is removed for somebody like
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Lisa Nandy or Angela Rayner or something. I don't really see any real difference between them
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and a bad or not government. They're going to be doing essentially the same things.
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So, no, I would see zero seats expanded to include both Labour and Tory.
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You know, I'm not up for, I'm not up for getting Kimmy in, in order simply to remove Starmer.
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I don't, I don't see that dynamic as a win in any real way.
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It's like replacing a scorpion with a deadly spider, you know, both just as dangerous. Sorry.
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No, what I was going to say is that she seems to be giving entirely mixed signals about where she
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stands on issues about multiculturalism. You can't be pro-open borders and against multiculturalism.
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This is the main contradiction. Now, I mean, it's too early to tell how this is going to happen.
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I think most probably if that was close to elections, it would probably backfire.
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But I don't know now because it's, we have four and a half years at least.
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I actually replied to that by saying, if Kemi Badenoch, who's pro-open borders, is far right,
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what does that make me? Because I'm against that.
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Yeah, she said Kemi Badenoch is one of the most nasty and divisive figures in British politics.
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I don't see how she can be those things because she's black and a woman.
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Yeah, you can't be nasty and divisive if you have those two demographic criteria.
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I don't know. But I mean, anyone who plays into multiculturalism is divisive the way I see it.
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Anyone who even hints that they are positive towards multiculturalism, you know, in the abstract,
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without ever talking about which cultures we're talking about, yeah, they are divisive.
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I mean, I'm pretty sure hopefully our opinion and views and take an angle are quite clear,
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but to give Badenoch some credit, some small credit where it's due.
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When they were in government, she was quite strong on sort of the trans kids
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thing and women's toilets, unisex toilets and stuff like that.
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But I think most people certainly, I care almost nothing for that and I care about the borders
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and our actual demographic replacement on the broadest stage.
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And on that, I just don't trust her. I don't trust her to do the right to keep us safe
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or to re-migrate the few million people that are here that shouldn't be.
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So, well, neither Labour nor Tory will be getting my vote, and obviously not the Lib Dems.
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All right, we've got a couple of comments. Would you like me to read them for you, Bo?
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Calling him, it's because his name looks Scandinavian or something, with the jade, isn't it?
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Yenrik was the lie the Tories pushed to pretend to be more right-wing to claw back voters, we saw for it,
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I mean, it would be a rightward shift in the Overton window,
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which is entirely occupied by the far left at the minute, including the Tories.
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The magic Wimbledon soil must have made her ethnically British, according to leftists.
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She's already shown she doesn't have the British at heart,
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given her voting history in Parliament on immigration.
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Right, take us away with the video comments, Samson.
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Regarding the longboats I brought up at Ladsour,
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they build longboats like the Vikings did, meaning no technology is allowed.
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Then every spring, they sell one of the longboats,
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and it is then an exhibition at Dublin Museum all summer,
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before making the voyage to Denmark at fall again.
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And they actually have been doing this in the 70s.
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...over the top by the Shetlands and the Orkneys.
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It's very, very similar to the Sutton Hoo thing,
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particularly when they were sort of contemporary,
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that bent so the ship didn't destroy in rough waves?