The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1044

00:00:00.040 Good afternoon, folks. Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Monday, the 18th of November, 2024.

00:00:06.100 Yes, it's Monday, the worst day of the week for every sentient creature.

00:00:09.200 I'm joined by Stelios and Dan, speaking of sentient creatures.

00:00:12.780 And today we're going to be talking about what happened with the Mike Tyson fight,

00:00:16.360 what's happened with Nigel Farage and his fight against the forces of right-wing-ness,

00:00:23.600 and how the government is socially engineering our entire society.

00:00:27.900 Farage is losing even harder than Tyson at this point.

00:00:32.020 Yeah, Tyson came out of this with dignity, at least.

00:00:34.940 Anyway, in fact, without further ado, let's just begin.

00:00:38.680 What happened with Mike Tyson?

00:00:40.240 Just to be clear, I don't follow boxing, so I have no idea what's happened here.

00:00:43.580 Well, I'll tell you what happened. Mike Tyson got old.

00:00:46.800 That's basically the sum of it.

00:00:49.560 He's been around for literally decades.

00:00:52.180 He has, he has.

00:00:53.240 Because the key takeaway is, if you're young, don't get old.

00:00:57.280 It's not fun.

00:00:58.620 I don't know if it's happened to you yet, Carl, but I have to wear these sodding reading glasses now.

00:01:03.300 No, my eyes are still really good, actually.

00:01:04.900 Well, OK, I thought it wasn't going to happen to me.

00:01:07.740 And you always hear it happens at some point in your early 40s.

00:01:10.600 Just one morning you wake up and all of a sudden you can't read anything.

00:01:14.000 And it actually happened.

00:01:15.800 It's just out of the blue.

00:01:16.840 It just happens.

00:01:17.680 Age just happens at some point.

00:01:20.100 I agree.

00:01:21.080 No, no, I don't doubt.

00:01:22.340 I mean, it's happening to my beard, but luckily I can still read.

00:01:26.100 Yeah, there is that.

00:01:27.360 But I mean, nevertheless, it was an interesting fight because Tyson was an absolute beast back in his day.

00:01:33.860 Let's play a bit of this in the background while we're talking.

00:01:37.000 But this is just some highlights from, yeah, there we go.

00:01:42.560 He was an animal.

00:01:43.260 He just used to charge at people, just didn't stop, kept hitting.

00:01:48.980 I mean, when I was young, Mike Tyson was basically a sort of synonym for a terrifying person.

00:01:58.260 Yeah.

00:01:58.760 Right. 0.97

00:01:59.220 Mike Tyson himself was obviously a psycho. 0.98

00:02:02.060 Yes. 1.00

00:02:02.480 He enjoyed punching the crap out of people.

00:02:04.120 Yeah, they made a documentary about this fight on Netflix and stuck it up as well. 0.56

00:02:08.800 And he's walking down his home street and he bumps into some old lady and she says,

00:02:12.540 Oh, yeah, you mugged me once when you were like eight or something like that.

00:02:16.660 Yeah, I can believe it.

00:02:18.280 He also has a taste for ears.

00:02:21.200 Yeah, he does.

00:02:22.220 Yeah, he was doing this thing in the fight where he kept on biting his glove and afterwards they asked him,

00:02:26.820 What's with you biting your glove all the time?

00:02:28.460 And he just says, Oh, I've got a biting fixation.

00:02:30.140 Which I'm sure you know that he took off Evander Holyfield's ear.

00:02:35.820 Yeah.

00:02:36.200 At one point, yeah.

00:02:37.760 But yeah, this guy, I mean, he was just brutal.

00:02:41.620 Yeah.

00:02:43.520 I mean, look at...

00:02:44.240 He could also dodge many hits.

00:02:47.020 Yeah.

00:02:47.360 I mean, he was really fast.

00:02:49.880 He just doesn't have a neck.

00:02:51.040 So he can take a...

00:02:52.720 He can really take a punch.

00:02:54.940 But he's got this...

00:02:56.040 I mean, he's big, but he's kind of compact as well.

00:02:58.040 So he's got this kind of nice compact style where he's kind of difficult to hit and he can take a hit anyway.

00:03:03.260 And he can just knock you down as well.

00:03:06.520 I mean, what an...

00:03:07.500 Oh, was that Frank Bruno at the end there?

00:03:09.120 It was, yeah.

00:03:10.720 See, I remember all these in the 90s and just being like, okay, yeah.

00:03:13.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:14.700 Mike Tyson just seems to have an air of kind of evil about him.

00:03:18.940 Yeah, like an aura of danger.

00:03:21.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:22.100 An aura of danger.

00:03:23.160 Absolutely.

00:03:23.980 So he was up against this other guy.

00:03:25.920 So let's have a look at the other guy in his prime.

00:03:30.360 So this is Jake Paul.

00:03:33.260 Right.

00:03:34.400 There we go.

00:03:35.520 So you...

00:03:36.180 I'm not sure this is him in his prime.

00:03:37.920 This is him as like a teenager or like 20 years old.

00:03:39.680 Well, I suppose prime in influence maybe.

00:03:43.720 Right.

00:03:44.000 But, you know, he's one of the Paul brothers.

00:03:45.580 You know, we covered his brother not so long ago, as Stelios was just reminding me.

00:03:50.200 Because his brother seems to be married to this TurboTar or whatever it is.

00:03:54.060 Right, okay.

00:03:54.780 Dylan Danis was calling around and all that kind of stuff.

00:03:57.520 But, you know, they're basically...

00:03:58.380 Oh, that was him, was it?

00:03:59.360 Yeah, he was a Disney kids star or something like that.

00:04:03.080 Right.

00:04:03.360 Big YouTuber.

00:04:04.760 I think we kind of missed him.

00:04:06.620 I think this is more of a Zumba thing than a...

00:04:08.580 Yeah, I have to say all of this thankfully passed me by.

00:04:11.440 Also, Harry and Connor did something about it and you were on with him too.

00:04:16.080 Right.

00:04:16.380 Of course.

00:04:17.040 I don't blame him.

00:04:18.300 Checked out.

00:04:19.080 Yeah, no, no, it's not that.

00:04:20.740 I find these people very forgettable.

00:04:22.720 Yeah.

00:04:23.100 Like, oh, look, I'm, you know, like TikTok influencer number 3,272.

00:04:28.700 Yes.

00:04:28.880 I'm just a blonde white guy from California.

00:04:30.980 So, yeah, okay.

00:04:32.140 I mean, he has kind of done well for himself.

00:04:34.080 Yeah, good for them.

00:04:35.340 I mean, don't get me wrong.

00:04:35.860 Yeah, he's made a lot of money.

00:04:36.880 And I am being kind of unfair.

00:04:39.040 Yeah, the man can box.

00:04:41.420 He can box.

00:04:42.540 Right.

00:04:43.460 A lot of people have sort of called him out as a sort of fake box and stuff.

00:04:46.420 And yes, it is true. 0.55

00:04:48.180 If you put Jake Paul in his prime now up against Mike Tyson in his prime,

00:04:53.060 it would be carnage everywhere.

00:04:56.240 In fact, if you put Jake Paul up against any of the heavyweight champs,

00:04:59.680 including Bruno, in their prime, you know, he would get destroyed.

00:05:04.200 But, I mean, we are talking about the absolute pinnacle level.

00:05:07.360 We're not living in that world anymore.

00:05:08.780 Like the poet of boxing.

00:05:11.060 Well, I'm just saying that at the intermediate levels, he's a solid boxer.

00:05:15.500 I mean, he can box.

00:05:16.820 No, I'm talking about Mike Tyson.

00:05:18.280 Oh, no, Mike Tyson.

00:05:19.260 He was gold back in the Shakespeare of boxing.

00:05:21.740 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:22.520 I mean, he, well, I don't know if I'd say Shakespeare.

00:05:26.260 But, yes, he is well up.

00:05:28.140 Anyway, so they had an event.

00:05:30.340 There we go.

00:05:31.120 So, we had an event.

00:05:33.740 So, quick question.

00:05:35.300 Mike Tyson, as I understand it, is like 58 years old.

00:05:37.740 Why is he still doing this?

00:05:40.520 Well, I mean, he hadn't for years.

00:05:41.540 I mean, he'd basically given up boxing.

00:05:43.760 I think he did one event fight maybe 10 years ago or something like that.

00:05:48.260 He does a couple of these event things every now and again.

00:05:50.560 But, I mean, basically, he'd let himself go.

00:05:52.140 He was no longer in the game.

00:05:53.200 And for whatever reason, he decided, well, I suppose he had 10 reasons to get back in the game.

00:05:58.720 But he got offered this and, yeah, decided to go for it.

00:06:03.100 But, you know.

00:06:03.480 Was it a comeback?

00:06:04.760 Something like a comeback?

00:06:06.020 Not as dramatic as Mickey Rourke's?

00:06:07.800 Not really.

00:06:08.860 It was supposed to be a proper fight, not an exhibition fight.

00:06:13.180 But it's probably closer to that.

00:06:15.380 I mean, it was just a weird, silly thing that, you know, sort of happened.

00:06:19.560 But I found it fascinating for several reasons.

00:06:21.300 I mean, the first thing is it was on Netflix, which I thought was interesting.

00:06:26.300 Allegedly.

00:06:26.800 I heard that the buffering wasn't.

00:06:28.400 No, I think it was.

00:06:30.100 Yeah, there was a bit of that.

00:06:31.160 But it was on Netflix, which was interesting.

00:06:32.940 That's a change.

00:06:33.860 That's something we haven't seen before going on a streaming platform.

00:06:36.100 And they made full use of that.

00:06:38.200 They, you know, they put, like, the Karate Kid and the Cobra Kai guy in the audience so that they could cut to them and say, oh, they're watching it.

00:06:44.740 Oh, and by the way, they've got a new season coming up on that.

00:06:47.540 They had these squid game guys lined up in there.

00:06:51.960 So they were sort of making full use of it.

00:06:53.660 And I just thought it was really interesting that we've moved to the era where streaming is the predominant platform now.

00:06:59.160 It's the only platform that can get something like this up and running.

00:07:03.040 That said, you're right to talk about the buffering.

00:07:06.280 I didn't actually watch it live because it was on, like, 4 a.m. UK time.

00:07:10.540 So I just got up at 7 and watched it with a delay.

00:07:13.940 I mean, actually, yeah, I mean, when you watched it with a delay, it was fine.

00:07:18.880 So you didn't see this.

00:07:19.600 But the people who did stay up late and watched it, there was constant buffering and lagging and all that kind of stuff.

00:07:24.160 It was a bit bad.

00:07:24.940 There was only one bit of it that didn't stutter and buffer. 0.99

00:07:28.900 And that was when Mike Tyson showed us all his ass. 0.99

00:07:32.300 He gave a short interview to someone. 0.99

00:07:33.640 Why did this happen?

00:07:35.600 I saw it.

00:07:36.240 He's in his trunk.

00:07:36.820 He's got his box on, but nothing else at that point.

00:07:40.960 He turns around and walks away. 0.99

00:07:42.080 We all see Mike Tyson's 60-year-old ass sitting across the laundry room. 0.99

00:07:46.860 That was the only bit, apparently, that didn't suffer from buffering. 0.99

00:07:49.200 Yeah, but it's like watching sumo fighting.

00:07:53.080 How do you get there, Stelios? 0.99

00:07:57.080 You constantly see men's asses in sumo fighting. 0.99

00:08:00.500 Oh, I see. 0.99

00:08:01.020 Okay, yes.

00:08:02.220 It's like they were something that it's like they have been wedged.

00:08:05.700 Yes, that's true.

00:08:07.220 Yes, I'll give you that.

00:08:08.840 What else I found interesting, it was in Austin, not New York.

00:08:13.440 Austin is kind of seamlessly transitioning into the unofficial capital of the US.

00:08:18.020 I mean, I know it's Washington, D.C.

00:08:19.480 I mean, yeah, I get that.

00:08:20.440 New York is the sort of first city.

00:08:22.080 Yeah, New York had been the first city,

00:08:24.400 and it looks like Austin is now the new first city.

00:08:27.300 And it was between a boomer legend, Mike Tyson, and a Zuma legend

00:08:30.440 because those are the guys that have the necessary audience pool

00:08:35.900 to make this work on a platform.

00:08:37.760 Mike Tyson's actually Gen X, but...

00:08:40.120 Is he?

00:08:40.500 Yeah.

00:08:40.640 Oh, okay.

00:08:42.120 Oh, well, that...

00:08:42.700 Not a boomer.

00:08:44.360 That ruins the whole theme.

00:08:45.940 The boomers are all 65ers. 1.00

00:08:47.200 Somehow with Dan, the boomers are the evil ones, 1.00

00:08:50.160 and you always have to make it about boomers.

00:08:53.100 Well, I'm a Gen Xer, so Gen Xers are good. 1.00

00:08:54.920 Right, so I was going to say that, you know,

00:08:57.400 name an occasion where a Zuma had beat a boomer at anything, ever. 0.89

00:09:02.660 It never happens.

00:09:03.820 But it makes sense now that I know he's not actually a boomer.

00:09:06.340 Boomers are undefeated. 0.88

00:09:07.700 The boomer...

00:09:08.940 Come on, 65 plus, you'd have to be a boomer.

00:09:12.620 Like, there's no way.

00:09:13.720 But, I mean, Mike Tyson seems to be in incredible shape

00:09:16.180 for a man of his age.

00:09:17.160 Yeah.

00:09:18.320 I'll go back to the main title card. 0.99

00:09:20.100 That's a bit more flattering than just staring at his arse on the screen. 0.97

00:09:22.380 I think what was happening here is all of the old guys 1.00

00:09:27.940 wanted to believe that Tyson could win

00:09:30.180 because none of us want to admit that we're old

00:09:33.440 and we can't do what we used to be able to do.

00:09:37.200 And I'll tell you, put it this way, put it this way, right?

00:09:39.800 So you and I, Carl, the same age,

00:09:42.220 and we're pretty much halfway between these two guys.

00:09:45.320 Yeah.

00:09:46.020 If you had to fight one of them...

00:09:47.300 Yeah, I'd fight Jake Paul.

00:09:48.200 Yeah, exactly.

00:09:48.780 Do you think I'd fight Mike Tyson, even at 58?

00:09:54.180 No way.

00:09:54.620 No, of course not.

00:09:55.920 It'd destroy me.

00:09:57.240 I mean, put it this way.

00:09:57.900 If Jake Paul came to me and said,

00:09:59.380 I'll give you $10 million to fight me,

00:10:02.460 I know I'd lose, but I'd be like, yeah, I'm up for that.

00:10:05.520 I don't think Jake Paul would literally eat parts of me

00:10:08.020 during the fight,

00:10:08.960 whereas Mike Tyson would kill me and eat me. 0.71

00:10:11.380 Yes.

00:10:11.720 If Mike Tyson offered me $10 million to fight him,

00:10:14.800 I'd be like, no, I'm good.

00:10:15.620 Again, it's this, like you said,

00:10:17.020 the sense of danger that surrounds Mike Tyson,

00:10:19.820 even now.

00:10:21.080 Like, yeah, no,

00:10:22.040 there's something about this guy that's quite scary.

00:10:24.060 Yeah, but do you deserve to have an ear if you lose?

00:10:27.380 Yes.

00:10:31.140 I mean, I guess you have dessert.

00:10:33.000 I'd fight Jake Paul instead.

00:10:34.800 I would fight Jake Paul for $10 million,

00:10:36.860 because even though I know I'd lose,

00:10:38.220 I'd get the $10 million,

00:10:39.480 I wouldn't fight Mike Tyson for any amount of money,

00:10:42.420 because I'd probably be wheeled around like a vegetable.

00:10:44.360 Yeah, absolutely.

00:10:46.700 Even though he's 58, I mean, Jesus Christ, still.

00:10:49.520 But before we get into the main fight,

00:10:51.020 let's recap the rest of what happened.

00:10:53.860 So there's four fights.

00:10:55.100 The first one was between Goyat,

00:10:57.620 who I think is a Bollywood guy,

00:11:00.060 and Nunes, who is a Brazilian YouTuber.

00:11:04.960 Completely forgettable fight.

00:11:06.520 I suppose it helped build international audience.

00:11:08.840 I can't remember what happened in it.

00:11:10.500 I think one of them,

00:11:11.500 this was a fight where one of them

00:11:12.560 kept on leaving their mouth open,

00:11:13.740 which you never want to do as a boxer,

00:11:14.980 because if you get caught with the right hook

00:11:17.140 when you've got your mouth open,

00:11:18.600 best case scenario, you go to sleep.

00:11:20.080 Worst case scenario,

00:11:20.680 you watch your jaw spin off into the crowd somewhere.

00:11:23.380 Then you have to go to the dentist.

00:11:25.300 Yeah.

00:11:26.420 So I think one of them won on points at the end,

00:11:29.080 and I think I remember agreeing with it,

00:11:31.280 but I can't remember who, whatever.

00:11:32.540 Anyway, next fight.

00:11:35.300 Play this with the sound off in the background.

00:11:37.740 So the next fight was Barrios versus Ramos.

00:11:41.940 They were both Mexicans,

00:11:43.320 but one of them kind of identified as an Aztec.

00:11:45.460 One of them was illegal.

00:11:48.760 Well, one of them,

00:11:49.540 the one in the pink shorts,

00:11:51.280 he kind of identified as an Aztec,

00:11:52.880 and he came out wearing all the Aztec.

00:11:55.080 He does look quite like Aztec-ish.

00:11:57.040 Yeah.

00:11:57.520 Yeah.

00:11:58.180 He was leaning into that.

00:11:59.960 Now this,

00:12:01.060 the Aztec,

00:12:02.540 well, you can see it here, actually.

00:12:03.560 The Aztec was winning the fight quite handily early on.

00:12:08.440 I think that's the third round

00:12:09.740 where he knocks down the other guy,

00:12:11.340 and it looked like he was cruising to an easy win,

00:12:14.560 and he was either going to get a win on points,

00:12:16.300 or he was going to knock the other guy down,

00:12:18.400 and he wouldn't get up.

00:12:19.580 And so you were kind of thinking,

00:12:20.780 oh, this is boring.

00:12:22.160 It got really interesting.

00:12:23.620 He got visited by the spirit of Cortez.

00:12:27.800 Well, he got visited by the spirit of Mexican lawnmowers, 1.00

00:12:32.620 or whatever it was,

00:12:34.120 because in the sixth round,

00:12:35.920 Ramos knocked down,

00:12:37.300 the Mexican knocked down the Aztec. 0.97

00:12:39.780 And from that point on,

00:12:41.160 it was a great fight.

00:12:42.580 I mean, really fiery.

00:12:44.300 And actually, by the end of it,

00:12:45.880 I simply couldn't tell who had won.

00:12:48.540 And I thought,

00:12:49.240 oh, I'll just go whatever the judge is saying.

00:12:50.920 The judges called it a draw.

00:12:52.040 And that was the right decision.

00:12:53.240 So that was the second best fight of the night,

00:12:55.680 quite entertaining in the end.

00:12:57.760 Right.

00:12:58.060 Then we've got,

00:12:58.720 and again,

00:12:59.420 play this in the background,

00:13:00.760 no sound.

00:13:01.100 Then we had two women fighting. 1.00

00:13:05.180 It was this tailor,

00:13:06.720 the Irish girl with no neck. 0.95

00:13:08.260 I mean, literally,

00:13:08.840 she basically got a straight line 0.94

00:13:10.200 from the bottom of her ears

00:13:11.200 to where her shoulders join on.

00:13:13.160 And this plucky little Puerto Rican girl 1.00

00:13:15.780 who's quite dinky,

00:13:17.080 but has got a bit of a spirit.

00:13:19.300 Now, normally,

00:13:20.300 I would not have any interest whatsoever

00:13:22.900 in women's boxing.

00:13:24.600 You know,

00:13:24.740 it would be like watching men cheerleading.

00:13:27.860 In fact,

00:13:28.180 you know,

00:13:29.160 here we go.

00:13:29.520 So this was the cheerleading that was happening.

00:13:32.980 Can you imagine if that was done by a bunch of men?

00:13:35.620 You know,

00:13:35.860 you just wouldn't be interested.

00:13:37.320 You might respect the commitment,

00:13:39.560 the skill,

00:13:40.000 the dedication,

00:13:40.620 and the training,

00:13:41.520 but you'd be like,

00:13:43.160 yeah,

00:13:43.620 what's going on here?

00:13:44.620 I'm not watching men.

00:13:45.740 Cameraman's got clocked.

00:13:47.080 Yeah.

00:13:47.820 He did.

00:13:48.280 But anyway,

00:13:48.900 so two women's boxing. 1.00

00:13:50.240 And actually,

00:13:51.200 right,

00:13:51.500 actually,

00:13:52.660 it turned out to be the fight of the night.

00:13:55.220 It was an amazing fight.

00:13:56.560 There's no question,

00:13:57.320 but this fight was 10 times better

00:13:58.760 than the Mexican versus the Aztec,

00:14:00.760 which itself

00:14:01.620 was about 10 times better

00:14:03.220 than the Tyson-Jake Paul fight.

00:14:04.740 Oh, right.

00:14:05.240 Okay.

00:14:05.340 And it was billed as controversial

00:14:07.080 because last time around,

00:14:08.440 these two had fought before,

00:14:10.060 and the Irish girl with the thick neck, 1.00

00:14:12.720 she won last time on points.

00:14:16.860 And so there'd been a lot of controversy

00:14:18.620 around that win,

00:14:20.240 and this one,

00:14:21.660 even more controversial.

00:14:23.040 And the reason for that

00:14:24.000 was because of the,

00:14:25.100 well,

00:14:25.260 basically all the headbutting.

00:14:26.520 Oh.

00:14:26.700 So the way that the Irish girl fights 1.00

00:14:30.360 is she kind of,

00:14:31.880 I mean,

00:14:32.060 she's fairly short. 0.98

00:14:34.260 She kind of has this style 0.98

00:14:35.420 where she kind of leans into it,

00:14:36.520 so she's always got a head going forward.

00:14:38.960 And when she lunges, 1.00

00:14:39.960 she kind of goes with her head first.

00:14:41.840 And so she's always headbutting people. 1.00

00:14:44.980 And what happened is

00:14:46.260 she opened up this massive gash. 0.95

00:14:48.500 I mean,

00:14:48.820 so basically that part of the eye

00:14:50.240 just on the other girl

00:14:51.340 just came away.

00:14:51.980 So this whole flap of skin

00:14:53.660 was just sort of hanging open,

00:14:55.020 which is a bit dodgy

00:14:57.860 when, you know,

00:14:58.500 you can get hit again though

00:14:59.700 at any time

00:15:00.260 and really open up the face.

00:15:02.540 She had blood streaming into her eyes

00:15:04.720 so she could hardly,

00:15:05.880 in fact,

00:15:06.200 has this happened at this point?

00:15:07.300 Can you see it?

00:15:07.680 Oh, no, you can't see it yet.

00:15:09.020 Oh, that's the other one anyway.

00:15:11.760 But yeah,

00:15:12.580 the ref actually had to take a point 1.00

00:15:15.400 off the Irish girl at one point

00:15:16.780 because of this behaviour.

00:15:19.120 He actually had to stop her at one point

00:15:20.880 and say this behaviour has got to change.

00:15:23.420 But it's just her style.

00:15:24.680 Well, it's how she fights. 1.00

00:15:25.460 I don't think it is intentional.

00:15:29.760 There you go.

00:15:30.920 She's seen the gash for the first time.

00:15:35.600 It's just how she...

00:15:36.340 So it's not intentional,

00:15:37.440 but it's a style that she's... 0.90

00:15:39.040 You're punching people in the face.

00:15:40.360 So, you know,

00:15:40.740 these things happen.

00:15:41.940 Yeah, but I mean,

00:15:42.560 opening up a wound,

00:15:44.680 it's...

00:15:45.160 I mean,

00:15:45.560 it all comes down to

00:15:46.740 is this a fight or a sport?

00:15:49.120 Now, if it's a fight,

00:15:51.000 you know,

00:15:51.300 fair enough,

00:15:51.820 do whatever,

00:15:52.200 but it's kind of supposed

00:15:53.260 to be a support?

00:15:55.620 Yeah.

00:15:56.980 No, I was just going to say

00:15:58.160 that I saw a lot of people 0.67

00:16:00.500 being really crazy

00:16:02.220 about the lass over there,

00:16:03.580 the blonde one.

00:16:04.920 It was full of posts about her.

00:16:07.300 You bring it back

00:16:07.740 to the important stuff,

00:16:08.660 Stelios.

00:16:09.000 Good man.

00:16:09.480 Good man.

00:16:10.560 But yeah, no...

00:16:11.000 This was an absolute great fight.

00:16:15.020 The later rounds

00:16:15.920 were a total slugfest

00:16:17.160 because they both knew

00:16:18.220 later on

00:16:18.920 that it could go either way.

00:16:20.860 And so they were just

00:16:21.860 hammering at each other again.

00:16:23.400 Total war.

00:16:24.560 Amazing fight.

00:16:26.700 The plucky little Puerto Rican,

00:16:28.680 she threw more punches, 0.95

00:16:29.980 she landed more punches,

00:16:30.960 she got more power punches 0.97

00:16:31.920 and she had a higher percentage 0.86

00:16:33.040 of punches.

00:16:35.280 But in the end,

00:16:36.180 the judges scored it 95-94

00:16:38.580 in favour of the Irish girl.

00:16:41.000 Now, when that happened,

00:16:42.180 the audience erupted in boos.

00:16:44.400 I was at home booing at the screen.

00:16:48.200 And, you know,

00:16:49.060 I come back to this thing

00:16:52.020 where is it a fight or a sport?

00:16:53.520 Taylor won the fight,

00:16:55.440 but I think that the sporting effort

00:16:57.680 was won by the plucky little Puerto Rican.

00:17:00.500 So Serrano's,

00:17:02.940 the plucky little one,

00:17:05.000 her trainer was absolutely apoplectic

00:17:07.160 at the end of the fight,

00:17:08.560 ranting and raving.

00:17:09.360 I don't blame him in the slightest.

00:17:12.460 So very controversial.

00:17:14.320 And I think,

00:17:15.340 I think the comments on this one

00:17:16.880 are going to be controversial as well,

00:17:18.460 because I guarantee

00:17:19.580 I'm going to get a whole bunch of people

00:17:20.920 in the comments saying,

00:17:21.880 you're blind if you think that Serrano won.

00:17:25.180 Obviously it was Taylor.

00:17:26.200 And then we're going to get

00:17:26.860 a whole nother bunch of people

00:17:27.940 coming under them and say,

00:17:29.140 no, you're blind if you think that Taylor won.

00:17:31.580 I'm not going to go so far

00:17:32.780 as to say that it was stolen

00:17:34.340 because it was a great fight.

00:17:35.640 It being a great fight

00:17:38.080 and it being stolen is incompatible.

00:17:41.100 But it was close

00:17:42.040 and I would have given it

00:17:42.780 to the plucky little Puerto Rican

00:17:44.220 and not the Irish.

00:17:45.860 Yeah, that's great.

00:17:46.520 But I'm here to watch Mike Tyson.

00:17:47.760 Yes.

00:17:48.520 Well, I have to praise this

00:17:51.460 because it was so much better

00:17:53.180 than what we actually were all there for.

00:17:55.900 So it's fine.

00:17:56.620 Let's come on to the bit.

00:17:58.820 I'll just say I call it.

00:18:00.100 I mean, I was saying in advance

00:18:01.220 that if Tyson wins,

00:18:03.800 it's because he won fast and early.

00:18:05.860 This makes sense.

00:18:06.940 But isn't this just generally

00:18:08.380 how Tyson fought his entire boxing career?

00:18:11.020 Yes.

00:18:11.580 Well, I mean, Tyson could win later on as well.

00:18:14.080 I mean, he had enormous stamina as well.

00:18:16.160 But, you know, it's a 27-year-old

00:18:18.040 versus a 58-year-old.

00:18:19.780 Paul is slightly bigger,

00:18:21.220 slightly better reach.

00:18:22.520 And he has trained.

00:18:23.720 He is a decent boxer.

00:18:27.540 Bo said the same thing.

00:18:28.880 You know, basically everybody said this,

00:18:30.760 is that, you know,

00:18:31.780 Mike needs a Widowmaker early on.

00:18:35.320 You know, we all knew that this was the case.

00:18:37.940 And here we go.

00:18:39.640 We can play some in the background.

00:18:41.800 It was obvious that Jake Paul knew this as well.

00:18:46.620 And so the early rounds

00:18:48.120 was basically Jake Paul running away.

00:18:52.300 Yeah, just wearing Tyson out, right?

00:18:54.600 Yeah.

00:18:54.900 So he could get hired.

00:18:56.380 Yes.

00:18:56.880 It wasn't quite as bad as that scene

00:18:58.840 in Monty Python and the Holy Grail

00:19:00.380 where the two gladiators come out

00:19:01.920 and the little guy just runs around in circles

00:19:03.840 until the other guy collapses from a heart attack.

00:19:06.160 It wasn't quite that bad,

00:19:07.600 but it was kind of that.

00:19:09.360 I mean, Paul knew what Tyson's strengths were.

00:19:13.240 And so he just danced around,

00:19:14.740 you know, put in the occasional shot from distance.

00:19:18.080 Tyson was always having to walk forward,

00:19:20.300 always having to keep going forwards.

00:19:22.000 It was very frustrating to watch.

00:19:24.760 And by round three, Tyson,

00:19:26.900 he was getting tired and you could see it.

00:19:30.140 And only in the later rounds

00:19:31.460 did Paul want to have a proper boxing match,

00:19:34.140 which is a bit shame.

00:19:35.540 Now, I can't...

00:19:35.800 You've got sensible tactics from Paul.

00:19:37.540 Well, I can't really blame him.

00:19:38.520 I mean, if I was going to get in a ring with Tyson,

00:19:41.000 I would totally do the same thing.

00:19:43.440 I'd be keeping my distance early on, definitely.

00:19:48.020 And from the rest of the match,

00:19:51.020 Paul dominated.

00:19:52.740 He was throwing more punches.

00:19:53.900 He was landing more punches.

00:19:55.940 Tyson did get some good punches in.

00:19:58.760 Paul got some good punches in.

00:20:00.340 And, you know, all credit to Tyson.

00:20:02.320 Even at that age,

00:20:03.140 he can still really take a punch.

00:20:04.960 But it was...

00:20:05.660 But Paul had it.

00:20:06.980 As soon as Tyson got tired.

00:20:09.700 You could...

00:20:10.420 I mean, Samson, click that again

00:20:12.660 so we can get a bit more of the thing.

00:20:15.900 I can't remember which round that this is,

00:20:18.880 but you can kind of see from Tyson's footwork.

00:20:22.020 I mean, you can tell a lot from a fighter's footwork.

00:20:24.380 And if you look at...

00:20:24.980 Tyson's flat.

00:20:25.660 If you look at Paul,

00:20:27.180 he is...

00:20:28.180 I mean, he's kind of dancing around.

00:20:33.220 He's got that sort of spring in his step

00:20:35.900 whereas Tyson is plodding.

00:20:37.820 You know, he's an old man plodding through. 1.00

00:20:41.680 Yeah, Tyson just couldn't do it

00:20:45.440 from an energy point of view.

00:20:47.200 Now, near the end of the fight,

00:20:49.660 you know, we got this.

00:20:51.320 So this is still in the fight,

00:20:53.000 but it's the last sort of 20, 30 seconds of the match.

00:20:58.480 Paul kind of stops in the fight

00:21:01.560 and he bows to Tyson like that.

00:21:04.360 Now, I kind of wanted to see a bit of the old Mike

00:21:07.580 because Mike has...

00:21:08.320 Yeah, I wouldn't trust it.

00:21:09.520 Mike had a window of opportunity

00:21:11.480 to lunge forward

00:21:12.560 and absolutely belt him when he did that.

00:21:15.520 Young Mike Tyson may well have done that too.

00:21:17.600 Oh, yeah.

00:21:18.620 Well, you wouldn't be in a position...

00:21:20.920 There has to be a spirit of fair play.

00:21:23.000 Yeah.

00:21:23.620 I mean, if I played against either of them,

00:21:25.760 I wouldn't be fair.

00:21:26.940 Yeah, I mean, the old tried to steal... 1.00

00:21:28.080 The old Mike Tyson,

00:21:28.760 you would not get an opportunity to do that.

00:21:30.620 You'd be...

00:21:31.180 Yeah.

00:21:31.940 Like, the old Mike Tyson

00:21:33.080 and the young Mike Tyson,

00:21:35.600 like,

00:21:37.140 he just comes across as a,

00:21:39.060 like you said,

00:21:39.440 a very dangerous person.

00:21:40.720 Yes.

00:21:41.060 That you don't expect a spirit of fair play from.

00:21:43.140 Yes.

00:21:43.560 And his career

00:21:44.380 bears that out.

00:21:47.280 So it's just like, you know...

00:21:48.840 Yeah.

00:21:49.140 So, yeah,

00:21:51.240 it was a bit of a damp scribb in the end.

00:21:53.960 However, right,

00:21:55.300 I do think that this was actually a significant fight.

00:21:58.340 Right.

00:21:58.600 And it's more for the meta message

00:22:01.860 that it sends than anything else.

00:22:03.340 I think it's a wake-up call

00:22:04.780 to old men 0.74

00:22:06.180 that age is a real thing.

00:22:08.380 Right.

00:22:09.140 Because we all...

00:22:09.900 Because it's...

00:22:10.860 I mean,

00:22:11.180 we're only halfway to where Tyson is at the moment.

00:22:14.560 But it's not like you get a letter one day

00:22:17.500 and it says you're old.

00:22:19.080 I mean, nobody rings a bell.

00:22:20.500 You know, there's not some event.

00:22:21.740 It's not announced.

00:22:23.220 You just get a little bit slower every day.

00:22:26.080 Yeah.

00:22:26.540 And you don't really notice it.

00:22:28.640 And the thing is,

00:22:29.240 in your head,

00:22:30.300 you're still a young man.

00:22:31.400 Yes.

00:22:34.000 And I think what this fight did

00:22:35.760 is it reminded old men

00:22:37.800 that age is real.

00:22:40.100 And I think a lot of old men 1.00

00:22:42.180 have watched this

00:22:43.100 and they're going to start

00:22:44.480 thinking seriously now

00:22:45.680 about, you know,

00:22:46.680 handing off some of their responsibility

00:22:47.980 to younger men.

00:22:49.140 You know, especially boomers. 0.71

00:22:50.400 I heard a lot of people

00:22:51.100 saying this was rigged.

00:22:54.140 No, I don't think so.

00:22:55.620 I don't think it was rigged.

00:22:56.580 So putting around

00:22:57.400 training footage of Tyson,

00:22:58.960 again,

00:22:59.440 from like this year,

00:23:01.820 unbelievably aggressively training

00:23:03.660 and thinking,

00:23:04.200 okay, well...

00:23:04.980 Yeah.

00:23:05.340 Has he lost that much speed?

00:23:06.680 The problem is

00:23:08.380 when you're doing clips

00:23:09.700 of training footage,

00:23:11.020 that can be when he's fresh.

00:23:13.240 And, you know,

00:23:13.700 it might not sound like much,

00:23:15.220 you know,

00:23:15.580 two rounds in,

00:23:16.680 two rounds of two minutes.

00:23:18.140 But, I mean,

00:23:19.060 anyone who's ever done boxing

00:23:21.000 has known,

00:23:21.560 if you go around,

00:23:22.580 if you can do a couple of rounds

00:23:23.820 in a boxing ring,

00:23:24.440 you're a real man.

00:23:25.180 It is absolutely exhausting.

00:23:27.460 I mean, boxing is...

00:23:28.620 Boxing is...

00:23:29.160 I mean, I've done a whole bunch

00:23:30.300 of martial arts.

00:23:30.960 I rate boxing very highly

00:23:32.400 because it is so immediate.

00:23:34.100 So it's just there

00:23:35.260 straight away.

00:23:36.120 But also the training is...

00:23:37.820 I mean,

00:23:37.980 you're just absolutely

00:23:38.580 pouring the sweat

00:23:39.300 when you train for this stuff.

00:23:40.940 So it's very easy

00:23:42.040 to show a clip of training

00:23:44.000 where he's, like,

00:23:45.140 got it

00:23:45.520 because that is, like,

00:23:46.260 his first 30 seconds

00:23:47.400 or something.

00:23:48.100 You try doing that

00:23:48.760 after, like, 10 minutes

00:23:49.580 or something.

00:23:49.960 That's what's going on.

00:23:51.320 But, I mean,

00:23:52.100 we live in a world

00:23:52.820 where the boomers,

00:23:53.600 they still control everything

00:23:54.680 and they only retire

00:23:56.620 when they absolutely have to.

00:23:58.940 They cling on to everything.

00:24:00.260 I mean,

00:24:00.420 especially in politics.

00:24:01.500 They just...

00:24:02.040 This is a generation 1.00

00:24:02.900 that simply doesn't let go.

00:24:04.880 And maybe a good number

00:24:06.960 of them watch this fight

00:24:08.180 and they realise

00:24:09.760 that maybe the final bell

00:24:11.620 has rung

00:24:12.140 for the boomer generation

00:24:13.180 that it is time

00:24:13.860 to hang up the gloves

00:24:14.740 of whatever it is

00:24:16.040 that they're in,

00:24:17.060 including politics,

00:24:18.440 and hand it over.

00:24:20.100 Now, obviously,

00:24:21.380 our generation Gen X

00:24:22.260 are going to get skipped over.

00:24:23.840 I think our generation...

00:24:24.740 I don't know.

00:24:25.160 We're kind of taking over

00:24:25.960 at the moment.

00:24:26.800 Yeah,

00:24:27.040 we might have a brief window

00:24:29.020 simply by virtue of the fact

00:24:31.280 that we're the only ones

00:24:32.440 there at the moment.

00:24:33.800 Elon Musk

00:24:34.560 in the Trump administration.

00:24:36.420 We're quite well represented

00:24:37.580 in that,

00:24:38.120 so that's good.

00:24:39.120 We're holding out,

00:24:40.300 but maybe it's time

00:24:41.620 for the millennials

00:24:42.720 and the Zoomers 0.99

00:24:43.500 like Paul

00:24:44.020 to get a shot.

00:24:45.980 I can see why the Zoomers 1.00

00:24:47.300 are holding on.

00:24:48.040 They're like,

00:24:48.300 oh, look at him.

00:24:49.480 It's like, yeah.

00:24:50.800 But no,

00:24:51.260 age is real

00:24:52.200 and let's give

00:24:53.820 the younger generations

00:24:54.640 a try.

00:24:57.520 Well,

00:24:58.260 with that,

00:24:59.280 the Engaged Few says

00:25:00.460 there's a video

00:25:01.020 of J.D. Vance

00:25:01.560 saying that his second

00:25:02.260 favourite day

00:25:02.880 on the campaign

00:25:03.720 was his daughter

00:25:04.180 telling the press

00:25:04.860 on Trump Force 2

00:25:06.240 that they're fake news

00:25:07.500 and then his dog

00:25:08.380 took a dump

00:25:08.820 in the seating area.

00:25:10.640 Okay,

00:25:11.200 I don't know how that relates

00:25:12.220 to what we were just doing,

00:25:13.120 but that's good.

00:25:13.660 No idea.

00:25:14.500 The headbutting

00:25:15.320 is totally intentional

00:25:16.220 just as Holyfield

00:25:18.060 was intentionally

00:25:19.600 was headbutting Tyson

00:25:20.700 back in the ear-biting fight.

00:25:23.020 Holyfield was butting him

00:25:24.000 like a ram.

00:25:24.720 She was doing the same.

00:25:26.840 Controversial.

00:25:27.240 I can't remember.

00:25:27.820 Could be the case.

00:25:30.460 And Bobo Dan says

00:25:32.360 to no one's surprise,

00:25:33.160 the Irish woman's face

00:25:34.420 is conditioned.

00:25:35.440 Is what?

00:25:36.340 Conditioned for abuse.

00:25:38.480 Let's move on.

00:25:40.720 Right.

00:25:41.020 So,

00:25:41.420 there was a recent interview

00:25:42.860 of Nigel Farage

00:25:44.200 by Winston Marshall

00:25:45.240 at the Winston Marshall show.

00:25:47.420 And I want to say

00:25:48.020 that some of the things

00:25:49.260 that Nigel Farage said

00:25:50.920 were really confusing to me.

00:25:53.200 And really,

00:25:54.160 it seems to me

00:25:54.700 that they were a mistake

00:25:55.720 on all sorts of levels,

00:25:57.560 not just the levels

00:25:59.400 of political tactics,

00:26:00.880 but also the levels

00:26:02.120 of the general vision

00:26:04.200 reform is supposed to have

00:26:05.880 about the country.

00:26:08.180 So,

00:26:08.860 to my mind,

00:26:10.020 Reform UK

00:26:10.560 is supposed to be a party

00:26:11.900 that expresses

00:26:12.720 British voters

00:26:13.920 who are disenfranchised

00:26:16.240 from mainstream

00:26:16.960 British politics.

00:26:18.840 Voters who are,

00:26:20.580 who want to defend

00:26:21.500 national sovereignty

00:26:22.320 and want to have

00:26:23.140 a sort of national sentiment

00:26:24.760 for Britain.

00:26:26.520 And they also want

00:26:28.360 politics of a different style.

00:26:31.580 So, for instance,

00:26:32.160 the...

00:26:32.440 Patriotic politics.

00:26:33.420 Patriotic politics,

00:26:34.420 but also not the

00:26:35.820 purely pragmatist politics.

00:26:38.440 Now, obviously,

00:26:39.120 politics is going to have

00:26:40.220 a level of,

00:26:41.000 a degree of pragmatism.

00:26:42.460 Sure,

00:26:42.640 but what you're talking about

00:26:43.460 is a sort of liberal

00:26:44.260 utilitarianism

00:26:45.360 where we just look at things

00:26:46.280 as they are and go,

00:26:46.960 well, we'll just organise them

00:26:48.320 as best we have.

00:26:49.160 We'll shuffle the deck chairs

00:26:51.060 around on the bridge

00:26:53.200 of the Titanic or whatever,

00:26:54.620 on the deck of the Titanic

00:26:55.480 and we'll just carry on

00:26:56.840 as we are.

00:26:57.400 And, oh, look,

00:26:57.740 there's an iceberg over there.

00:26:58.740 I'm talking about

00:26:59.340 having clear values

00:27:01.100 as, as you mentioned,

00:27:03.500 patriotism

00:27:04.020 and having a clear future

00:27:05.140 for the country

00:27:05.780 that is supposed to be

00:27:07.120 against patri...

00:27:08.000 against multiculturalism.

00:27:09.900 So that was the main thing

00:27:11.840 in my mind

00:27:12.540 about Reform UK

00:27:13.600 that rather than being

00:27:16.060 a sort of Tory version

00:27:18.400 of let us have

00:27:20.040 multiculturalism

00:27:21.280 at a slower pace

00:27:22.320 in comparison to Labour,

00:27:24.800 let us not have,

00:27:25.720 let us not have

00:27:26.740 multiculturalism at all.

00:27:28.140 But it seemed to me

00:27:28.920 that a lot of what

00:27:29.820 Nigel Farage said

00:27:31.160 in that interview

00:27:32.080 is straightforwardly

00:27:33.460 multiculturalist rhetoric.

00:27:35.420 It's,

00:27:35.940 let's have all sorts of,

00:27:37.120 of groups in England.

00:27:39.140 Let us,

00:27:39.640 let them have 0.70

00:27:40.320 their own culture.

00:27:41.520 It doesn't matter so much

00:27:42.720 if they,

00:27:44.200 they assimilate or not.

00:27:46.300 We're going to deport 0.99

00:27:47.180 those who don't integrate,

00:27:48.260 but also he didn't give

00:27:49.360 particularly clear criteria

00:27:51.640 for who fails to integrate

00:27:53.960 and who...

00:27:54.540 So not being able

00:27:55.460 to speak English.

00:27:56.500 Well, no.

00:27:57.000 So I think he gives

00:27:58.080 several mixed signals.

00:27:59.580 Now,

00:27:59.800 I want to remind people

00:28:01.160 of the brilliant interview

00:28:03.500 that Stephen Edgington did

00:28:04.820 last September

00:28:07.180 and he was talking

00:28:08.980 to Nigel Farage

00:28:09.860 about the issue

00:28:10.820 of mass deportations

00:28:11.820 and I got completely

00:28:13.760 mixed signals

00:28:14.520 from Nigel Farage there

00:28:15.680 because I don't understand

00:28:18.120 where he stands.

00:28:19.820 I,

00:28:20.220 is he pro

00:28:20.900 or is he against?

00:28:22.380 He says that he's not against,

00:28:24.060 he's not for them,

00:28:25.520 but then he says,

00:28:26.880 for instance,

00:28:27.380 that if I say

00:28:28.680 I support them,

00:28:29.840 that's everything

00:28:30.920 people are going to talk about

00:28:31.940 for the next 20 years.

00:28:33.400 Great.

00:28:33.560 Maybe you break 20%

00:28:34.680 in the polls.

00:28:35.820 Yes.

00:28:36.040 So it doesn't seem to me

00:28:37.980 to be clear signaling.

00:28:39.360 It seems actually

00:28:40.120 to be very mixed signaling

00:28:41.480 and this doesn't seem

00:28:42.600 to be the politics

00:28:43.660 that a lot of people

00:28:45.160 who vote for Reform UK

00:28:46.420 want to support.

00:28:48.020 In fact,

00:28:48.380 it seems to me

00:28:48.960 to be the exact opposite.

00:28:50.280 It's the kind of politics

00:28:51.620 people are disgusted by.

00:28:53.080 They want clear messages.

00:28:54.900 There seems to be

00:28:55.480 honestly a lack of courage

00:28:57.540 in Farage's position

00:28:59.060 at this point.

00:29:00.240 He doesn't know

00:29:01.200 how to go on the offensive.

00:29:02.140 So I remember

00:29:03.080 there was a,

00:29:04.060 an epochs

00:29:05.800 where you and Bo

00:29:07.000 were talking about Wellington

00:29:08.040 and you were talking

00:29:10.100 about how Wellington

00:29:11.060 was often regarded

00:29:12.280 as a defensive general

00:29:13.340 because he fought

00:29:13.940 most of his battles

00:29:14.620 defensively.

00:29:15.340 But when the moment

00:29:16.340 came to be aggressive,

00:29:18.080 he totally turned it on.

00:29:19.820 And what I see

00:29:20.360 with Farage

00:29:20.880 is somebody who's so used

00:29:21.880 to playing defensive,

00:29:23.420 he's lost the ability

00:29:25.060 to go on the offensive

00:29:25.980 and the moment has changed.

00:29:27.660 He's not under the thumb

00:29:29.160 of the mainstream media anymore.

00:29:30.720 things have flipped.

00:29:32.920 In America, 0.65

00:29:33.560 the right has recognized this

00:29:35.020 and they've gone on the attack.

00:29:36.320 But Farage,

00:29:37.020 he's stuck

00:29:37.880 in the bloody

00:29:38.660 mid-2000s.

00:29:40.460 Fighting the last war.

00:29:41.400 Yes.

00:29:42.320 Right.

00:29:42.820 So there was also

00:29:43.780 an interview

00:29:44.400 by Winston Marshall

00:29:46.100 that was uploaded yesterday.

00:29:49.240 And that was

00:29:50.580 a very good interview.

00:29:51.580 It's just 53 minutes.

00:29:53.120 I suggest everyone

00:29:54.060 should go and watch it.

00:29:55.000 Very good.

00:29:55.560 And I do like

00:29:56.100 Winston Marshall,

00:29:56.880 but I can't help

00:29:57.500 but notice that he's

00:29:58.360 so much of a 2000s

00:29:59.540 new man with his

00:30:00.500 open shirt and no tie.

00:30:02.560 Winston,

00:30:03.060 what's going on there?

00:30:04.240 Apparently he's a music guy

00:30:05.560 or something.

00:30:05.940 I bet he is,

00:30:06.660 but that's no excuse.

00:30:07.780 Oh, he's very good.

00:30:09.240 That's no excuse

00:30:10.200 not to wear a tie.

00:30:11.180 I know some of my co-hosts

00:30:12.540 who have occasionally

00:30:13.780 not wore a tie.

00:30:15.020 I know, it's disgusting.

00:30:16.320 I totally disavow it.

00:30:18.120 Right.

00:30:18.400 So in this interview,

00:30:19.420 basically,

00:30:20.020 they talk about

00:30:20.760 a lot of things.

00:30:21.520 They start with

00:30:22.620 Trump's victory.

00:30:24.020 Nigel Farage says

00:30:25.100 that he was at Mar-a-Lago.

00:30:26.840 He met Elon Musk.

00:30:29.320 Trump told him,

00:30:30.100 I can't believe

00:30:30.700 how you didn't know him.

00:30:33.440 So he introduced them.

00:30:34.960 And basically,

00:30:35.520 Farage says

00:30:36.440 that he's very optimistic

00:30:37.380 about the US

00:30:38.060 and this kind of optimism

00:30:39.580 that he...

00:30:41.100 I'm optimistic

00:30:41.780 about the US as well,

00:30:42.620 but I don't live

00:30:43.140 in the US now.

00:30:44.380 Come on,

00:30:45.000 I might be

00:30:45.900 if Labour carry on.

00:30:47.920 Has also made him

00:30:49.240 more optimistic

00:30:49.940 about the UK,

00:30:50.800 which I think

00:30:52.260 when optimism

00:30:54.020 is cautious,

00:30:54.720 is cautious

00:30:55.600 and constrained,

00:30:56.460 I think it's a good thing.

00:30:57.700 But at the end of the day,

00:30:58.820 we all have to come down

00:31:00.200 and look at facts

00:31:01.180 and look at

00:31:02.300 what is going on

00:31:03.160 and the kinds of policies

00:31:04.180 people are putting forward.

00:31:05.680 So they are talking

00:31:06.640 about the special relations

00:31:08.380 that the US

00:31:08.960 and the UK have

00:31:09.900 and that they could have,

00:31:11.280 especially now

00:31:12.100 with the new administration.

00:31:13.940 He also says

00:31:14.560 that Trump and Elon Musk

00:31:15.600 have a sort of affinity

00:31:16.820 for England

00:31:17.420 and that they think

00:31:19.040 that they want

00:31:20.980 to have really close ties,

00:31:22.500 ties with the UK.

00:31:24.380 I just want to pause it.

00:31:25.240 I very much approve

00:31:26.320 of Winston's use

00:31:27.200 of paper and pen.

00:31:29.060 No, no, that's very good.

00:31:30.600 But I very much disapprove

00:31:31.640 of his open shirt

00:31:32.500 and lack of tie.

00:31:33.680 That's not very good.

00:31:35.580 Sorry, I'm just being

00:31:36.720 excessively critical.

00:31:38.440 Go ahead.

00:31:39.960 You're a late convert

00:31:41.180 to this whole super...

00:31:42.140 Yeah, but now I'm on to it.

00:31:43.400 The thing is,

00:31:44.100 as soon as you realise

00:31:44.940 what you're looking at,

00:31:46.160 you're looking at

00:31:46.680 the sort of traditional

00:31:47.580 British man

00:31:48.460 versus the new man

00:31:49.860 of the early 2000s,

00:31:51.040 the Blairite man.

00:31:52.280 And Winston,

00:31:53.220 I don't think,

00:31:53.940 is actually a Blairite man,

00:31:55.780 but he presents as one,

00:31:56.860 which, I don't know,

00:31:57.820 I think there's something...

00:31:58.920 You've got the radicalism

00:31:59.880 of a late convert.

00:32:00.740 Yeah, I do, yeah.

00:32:01.300 You've got the radicalism

00:32:02.640 of a new tie Puritan.

00:32:04.480 Absolutely.

00:32:05.100 If you don't wear

00:32:06.240 a good tie, 1.00

00:32:07.380 you're going to burn in hell 1.00

00:32:08.940 or something. 1.00

00:32:09.220 Yeah, no, I agree.

00:32:10.200 Right, okay.

00:32:10.980 That's true.

00:32:11.560 Also, he,

00:32:12.940 Nigel Farage,

00:32:13.720 says that he has been

00:32:15.100 really effective

00:32:15.860 at shifting the Overton window

00:32:17.760 in public discussion.

00:32:19.640 Who, Trump?

00:32:20.380 No, himself.

00:32:22.400 Okay, yeah.

00:32:23.100 And he also says

00:32:24.240 that his approach

00:32:25.900 is nuanced

00:32:26.780 and that

00:32:28.220 it's bound

00:32:29.580 to be misinterpreted

00:32:30.840 and that

00:32:31.580 the general public

00:32:33.300 usually doesn't

00:32:35.360 appreciate

00:32:36.060 nuanced perspectives.

00:32:37.780 I will say,

00:32:38.840 I kind of...

00:32:39.280 All of that applies

00:32:40.120 to the media,

00:32:40.760 not the public.

00:32:41.760 Yeah.

00:32:42.840 But also,

00:32:43.720 okay,

00:32:43.980 if you're good at moving

00:32:44.580 the Overton window,

00:32:45.200 get moving it.

00:32:46.180 I don't think

00:32:47.160 he didn't...

00:32:48.840 He actually spoke

00:32:49.640 very highly

00:32:50.180 of podcasts.

00:32:52.120 I don't think

00:32:52.620 he said it

00:32:53.120 in order to

00:32:54.580 defend the

00:32:55.800 mainstream media

00:32:56.640 or something.

00:32:57.360 So,

00:32:58.260 I want to say

00:32:58.860 that there are...

00:32:59.680 I will show you

00:33:00.680 some clips,

00:33:01.460 but I want to say

00:33:02.200 that if you go down

00:33:03.260 to the nuances,

00:33:03.900 there are several

00:33:04.800 major tensions

00:33:05.960 in his thought

00:33:06.820 that,

00:33:07.580 you know,

00:33:08.260 he should be

00:33:08.940 really clear about

00:33:09.960 what does he mean

00:33:11.420 and what is to be done

00:33:12.500 about them

00:33:13.000 because the more

00:33:14.160 he doesn't...

00:33:15.360 He isn't clear

00:33:16.140 about them,

00:33:17.220 the more he risks

00:33:18.380 appearing even more

00:33:19.940 as someone

00:33:21.060 who turned his back

00:33:22.480 on the very values

00:33:23.460 that led people

00:33:24.840 away from supporting

00:33:26.180 the Tories

00:33:26.700 and to supporting

00:33:27.860 the Reform UK.

00:33:29.600 So,

00:33:30.180 let's go

00:33:30.700 and watch

00:33:31.380 the first clip.

00:33:33.640 Well,

00:33:34.220 1.2 million

00:33:34.980 illegal people

00:33:37.340 in Britain, 0.85

00:33:38.180 illegal migrants,

00:33:39.280 would you give

00:33:39.940 them amnesty?

00:33:41.060 No.

00:33:41.840 So,

00:33:42.120 what would you do?

00:33:42.680 Never,

00:33:43.320 ever give

00:33:44.980 amnesties.

00:33:48.120 I was astonished

00:33:49.300 when Boris Johnson

00:33:50.700 was Mayor of London

00:33:51.480 that he was even

00:33:52.560 considering this option.

00:33:54.300 Give them amnesties, 0.83

00:33:55.060 let them all work.

00:33:55.920 Well,

00:33:56.320 what do we know?

00:33:57.340 We know that the

00:33:58.160 rapidly rising population

00:33:59.400 makes us poorer.

00:34:01.420 Poorer!

00:34:02.520 Six of the last

00:34:03.320 eight quarters,

00:34:04.100 GDP per capita

00:34:04.740 has gone down,

00:34:05.740 which coincides

00:34:06.520 with record levels

00:34:07.500 of legal,

00:34:08.460 let alone illegal,

00:34:09.140 immigration into Britain.

00:34:11.160 You never give

00:34:11.860 amnesties.

00:34:12.600 You absolutely

00:34:13.280 can't do that.

00:34:14.260 All you do

00:34:14.560 is encourage

00:34:14.960 many,

00:34:15.300 many more to come.

00:34:16.740 Do we need to deport

00:34:17.520 people who come here

00:34:18.120 illegally?

00:34:18.560 Yes.

00:34:19.900 How far do we go back?

00:34:21.240 These are all questions

00:34:22.140 that need a huge

00:34:23.520 level of thought.

00:34:24.320 It's not easy.

00:34:25.600 It's not easy.

00:34:26.660 What is easy

00:34:28.000 is they will continue

00:34:29.720 to cross the channel.

00:34:31.160 They will continue

00:34:31.900 to come in the back

00:34:32.620 of lorries or cars

00:34:33.620 or caravans

00:34:34.440 or whatever it is

00:34:35.200 until we deport 0.70

00:34:36.260 anyone that comes

00:34:37.020 via that route.

00:34:37.640 So what

00:34:38.780 this 1.2 million

00:34:40.160 say is the idea

00:34:41.980 that they're not

00:34:42.560 given amnesty

00:34:43.140 and they decide

00:34:43.960 eventually to leave

00:34:44.660 on their own volition?

00:34:46.400 You cannot give

00:34:47.540 them amnesty.

00:34:48.520 You cannot give

00:34:49.380 them amnesty.

00:34:50.780 To do that

00:34:51.620 is an insult

00:34:52.380 to those who

00:34:53.760 want to come legally

00:34:54.560 and pay their money

00:34:55.380 and get passports

00:34:56.420 and swear away.

00:34:57.040 So we don't do

00:34:57.480 anything about them?

00:34:58.220 I didn't suggest

00:34:59.140 that for a moment.

00:34:59.780 So what I don't

00:35:04.120 get and what

00:35:05.260 isn't clear to me

00:35:06.680 is the following

00:35:08.360 three propositions

00:35:09.300 that come from

00:35:10.540 him.

00:35:11.460 So illegal immigrants 1.00

00:35:12.520 are to be deported.

00:35:14.180 There are 1.2 million

00:35:15.980 illegal immigrants

00:35:16.980 but mass deportations

00:35:18.540 are not on the menu.

00:35:20.580 But also you can't

00:35:21.260 give them amnesty.

00:35:22.340 So what do we do

00:35:23.180 with them?

00:35:23.920 Yeah.

00:35:24.040 So what he says

00:35:26.180 the only way

00:35:27.240 you can make sense

00:35:28.400 out of this

00:35:28.900 is if you focus

00:35:29.780 on what he says

00:35:30.460 that it takes

00:35:31.140 a lot of thought.

00:35:32.220 Yeah.

00:35:32.440 But yeah

00:35:33.420 we know it takes

00:35:34.180 a lot of thought.

00:35:35.160 People want

00:35:35.740 clear answers.

00:35:36.920 What are the verdicts

00:35:38.040 of this line

00:35:39.320 of thinking?

00:35:39.880 People aren't asking

00:35:40.980 for like a detailed

00:35:42.340 policy proposal.

00:35:43.680 People want to know

00:35:44.620 the direction

00:35:45.160 of travel.

00:35:46.380 Exactly.

00:35:46.820 The values.

00:35:47.620 The values.

00:35:48.140 The values.

00:35:48.740 Yeah.

00:35:48.920 Exactly.

00:35:49.380 So what is it

00:35:50.120 that if we were

00:35:50.960 to all vote

00:35:51.440 for Nigel Farage

00:35:52.220 in 2029

00:35:53.420 what is he

00:35:57.580 actually going to do?

00:35:58.540 And if he's like

00:35:59.440 well deportations

00:36:01.100 are politically impossible

00:36:01.920 deportations are

00:36:02.800 a good thing

00:36:03.320 we can't give amnesty

00:36:04.580 but I'm not going

00:36:05.540 to give you

00:36:06.040 what I would like

00:36:07.560 to do

00:36:08.140 I'm just going to say

00:36:09.460 well it's all

00:36:09.820 very complicated

00:36:10.400 then it just

00:36:11.100 makes people think

00:36:12.000 that you don't

00:36:12.580 really have the

00:36:13.540 stomach for

00:36:14.260 solving the problem.

00:36:16.060 You've got to

00:36:16.200 change the conversation

00:36:17.240 first and Trump

00:36:18.380 has done this

00:36:19.100 beautifully over in

00:36:19.920 the US.

00:36:20.380 He says okay

00:36:20.880 we're going to do

00:36:21.340 mass deportation

00:36:22.200 it's going to be

00:36:22.580 the most deportations

00:36:23.560 you've ever seen

00:36:24.000 they're going to be

00:36:24.300 the greatest deportations

00:36:25.400 and then he sends out

00:36:26.840 Vivek Ramaswamy

00:36:27.740 to do the interview circuit

00:36:28.940 and he's like

00:36:29.800 okay well look

00:36:30.520 what we can do

00:36:31.140 is at least on day one

00:36:32.000 we can stop new ones

00:36:32.820 coming in

00:36:33.300 that slows it down

00:36:34.060 and then we can

00:36:34.560 deport criminals

00:36:35.320 okay and that

00:36:36.260 gets us the first bit

00:36:37.180 and actually you do

00:36:38.220 you do all of these steps

00:36:39.340 and by the time

00:36:39.780 you get to step 10

00:36:40.620 which is deporting people

00:36:42.120 who have got a good job

00:36:43.320 and integrated

00:36:44.000 you've lost the appetite

00:36:45.260 by the time you got

00:36:45.940 to that point.

00:36:46.620 So I mean you can make

00:36:47.440 all of these arguments

00:36:48.240 but first of all

00:36:48.920 you have to shift

00:36:49.440 the conversation

00:36:50.000 and for Raj

00:36:51.220 just not have

00:36:52.280 the stomach for it

00:36:53.120 yeah

00:36:53.360 let's continue

00:36:54.580 suggest that for a moment

00:36:55.940 is that you cannot

00:36:57.980 give them an amnesty

00:36:58.760 and yes we must be

00:36:59.900 deporting people

00:37:00.540 who come illegally 0.99

00:37:01.100 especially those

00:37:02.260 who committed crimes

00:37:03.140 or who refuse

00:37:05.060 point blank refuse

00:37:06.940 to integrate

00:37:07.780 in our communities

00:37:08.400 not an easy job

00:37:10.060 long term job

00:37:11.240 will take a long time

00:37:12.100 how do we know

00:37:12.920 whether they're

00:37:13.380 point blank refusing

00:37:14.040 to integrate

00:37:14.540 what would that

00:37:15.040 look like

00:37:15.440 well if you've been

00:37:16.300 here 10 years

00:37:16.840 and can't speak

00:37:17.480 a word of English

00:37:18.040 you may not

00:37:18.520 you might not

00:37:19.440 have tried very hard

00:37:20.300 so if someone

00:37:22.120 it's an example

00:37:22.880 it's an example

00:37:23.760 but that's quite

00:37:24.520 a drastic policy

00:37:25.600 if someone's been

00:37:26.220 here 10 years

00:37:26.680 and they can't

00:37:27.060 speak English

00:37:27.600 off you go

00:37:28.900 if you've been

00:37:29.220 here 10 years

00:37:29.640 and can't speak

00:37:30.100 a word of English

00:37:30.880 it would suggest

00:37:31.700 you've not tried

00:37:32.260 to integrate

00:37:32.740 isn't that

00:37:34.940 fairly straightforward

00:37:35.480 yeah but it

00:37:38.040 seems that would

00:37:38.740 be that seems

00:37:39.800 like quite a

00:37:40.660 tough I mean

00:37:41.600 I understand

00:37:42.620 this fairness

00:37:43.020 and you could say

00:37:44.700 if you haven't

00:37:44.960 tried to get a job

00:37:45.500 this can go

00:37:46.580 all sorts of ways

00:37:47.300 you know

00:37:48.220 my priority

00:37:49.920 is not to go

00:37:52.640 back 5, 10, 20 years

00:37:54.020 I just

00:37:55.120 we're back to

00:37:56.280 vans and practicality

00:37:57.320 alright

00:37:57.920 you know

00:37:59.100 we want people

00:37:59.880 who come legally

00:38:00.700 we want people

00:38:01.740 who integrate

00:38:02.400 we want people

00:38:03.420 to become part

00:38:03.900 of our culture

00:38:04.720 but you have

00:38:07.180 to stop the flow

00:38:07.920 of both legal

00:38:09.560 immigration on this

00:38:11.220 scale and illegal

00:38:12.220 immigration on this

00:38:13.240 scale

00:38:13.480 yeah right

00:38:15.460 we want people

00:38:16.220 to come legally

00:38:16.680 we have to stop

00:38:17.300 the flow

00:38:17.540 well why would

00:38:18.140 we do that

00:38:19.240 if we want

00:38:19.540 people to come

00:38:19.940 legally

00:38:20.220 and he ends

00:38:21.120 without deporting

00:38:22.080 people you

00:38:22.500 won't stop it

00:38:23.100 he's on totally

00:38:24.560 the wrong grounds

00:38:25.940 for this conversation

00:38:26.780 he should begin

00:38:27.680 with Britain

00:38:28.400 has an overpopulation

00:38:29.380 crisis

00:38:29.760 we just have

00:38:30.780 too many people

00:38:31.440 here

00:38:31.720 right

00:38:32.220 so that

00:38:32.800 instantly validates

00:38:34.440 ceasing

00:38:35.220 immigration in

00:38:36.200 if immigration

00:38:37.400 were the solution

00:38:38.120 to any problem

00:38:38.960 well we've had

00:38:39.880 15 million new

00:38:40.880 people who have

00:38:41.400 arrived since

00:38:42.160 1997

00:38:42.800 well what problem

00:38:44.120 did it solve

00:38:44.740 did it solve

00:38:45.880 housing

00:38:46.540 did it solve

00:38:47.040 wages

00:38:47.500 did it solve

00:38:47.960 jobs

00:38:48.420 did it solve

00:38:48.780 employment

00:38:49.140 does it solve

00:38:50.220 the NHS

00:38:50.700 does it solve

00:38:51.280 the pensions

00:38:51.640 everything is worse

00:38:53.840 whatever immigration

00:38:54.820 is purported to have

00:38:55.680 solved

00:38:55.900 has not been solved

00:38:56.880 so even if

00:38:58.240 they keep saying

00:38:59.520 well immigration

00:39:00.000 is the solution

00:39:00.580 to this

00:39:00.900 it's clearly not

00:39:01.660 we've done it

00:39:02.040 for 25 years

00:39:02.760 that's not the

00:39:03.400 solution

00:39:03.700 so you've got

00:39:04.420 an instant mandate

00:39:05.220 for you as

00:39:05.960 the new prime

00:39:06.840 minister

00:39:07.140 let's fantasize

00:39:08.240 to come in and say

00:39:09.300 right this just

00:39:09.780 hasn't solved the

00:39:10.280 problem

00:39:10.460 so we're just

00:39:10.980 going to stop

00:39:11.380 that

00:39:11.660 and then

00:39:12.320 okay next

00:39:12.920 question

00:39:13.380 what do we do

00:39:14.200 with say

00:39:14.560 and like you

00:39:15.140 saying

00:39:15.400 go in tears

00:39:16.120 let's begin

00:39:16.880 with oh let's

00:39:17.580 say foreign 0.61

00:39:18.260 criminals

00:39:18.760 well what are we

00:39:19.600 doing from

00:39:20.000 foreign criminals 1.00

00:39:20.940 just clogging up 0.99

00:39:21.540 our jails

00:39:21.920 no gone

00:39:22.560 what about

00:39:23.140 illegal immigrants

00:39:23.700 cross child

00:39:24.260 no gone

00:39:24.980 what about

00:39:25.640 various other

00:39:26.240 you know

00:39:26.480 you can go

00:39:26.900 down the tiers

00:39:27.380 no who

00:39:27.760 do we actually

00:39:28.280 want this

00:39:28.560 and so if you

00:39:29.200 get to you

00:39:29.800 know mrs singh

00:39:30.900 who works in the

00:39:31.660 corner shop

00:39:32.060 and has done

00:39:32.440 30 years

00:39:32.820 no okay

00:39:33.560 she can stay

00:39:34.260 she runs a

00:39:34.920 corner shop

00:39:35.420 or if you get

00:39:36.100 to someone who's

00:39:36.620 married to an

00:39:37.140 english person

00:39:37.660 or whatever

00:39:37.900 no that's fine

00:39:38.600 they've intermarried

00:39:39.220 that's totally

00:39:39.740 fine

00:39:39.980 that's what

00:39:40.640 integration is

00:39:41.320 but being so

00:39:42.280 nebulous about

00:39:43.120 this and having 0.89

00:39:43.860 so little stomach

00:39:44.700 to assert

00:39:45.880 correctly

00:39:46.880 what actually

00:39:48.020 would help

00:39:48.900 is so bizarre

00:39:50.140 yeah

00:39:50.900 there are two

00:39:52.120 issues

00:39:52.540 here that

00:39:53.300 will be

00:39:54.480 important for

00:39:55.840 the next part

00:39:56.600 of the video

00:39:57.060 which is the

00:39:57.540 last that i'm

00:39:58.000 going to show

00:39:58.420 so what

00:39:59.720 a lot of

00:40:00.640 people don't

00:40:01.360 focus on

00:40:02.000 is when he

00:40:02.900 talks about

00:40:03.320 failure of

00:40:03.820 integration

00:40:04.300 because that's

00:40:05.740 the major

00:40:06.420 that's the

00:40:07.460 major question

00:40:08.120 what are the

00:40:09.100 criteria for

00:40:09.900 failure of

00:40:11.360 integration

00:40:11.900 clearly not

00:40:13.120 speaking english

00:40:14.540 for 10 years

00:40:15.400 yeah it shows

00:40:16.660 non-integration

00:40:17.500 but it's a very

00:40:18.160 relaxed criterion

00:40:19.460 it also seems

00:40:20.300 arbitrary as well

00:40:21.660 he's pulled

00:40:22.400 this out of

00:40:23.040 his hat

00:40:23.400 you know

00:40:23.800 so i don't

00:40:24.980 like the fact

00:40:25.760 that they don't

00:40:26.080 speak english

00:40:26.560 okay well

00:40:27.300 so what

00:40:28.500 you know

00:40:28.920 what like

00:40:30.140 there are going

00:40:30.980 to be left

00:40:31.320 wingers who go

00:40:31.760 so what

00:40:32.140 that's just

00:40:32.480 your prejudice

00:40:32.920 basically

00:40:33.420 and so

00:40:34.780 nigel farage

00:40:35.240 would have

00:40:35.560 to say

00:40:35.800 yeah okay

00:40:36.180 my position

00:40:36.820 has come

00:40:37.100 from a

00:40:37.380 position of

00:40:37.700 prejudice

00:40:38.020 which isn't

00:40:38.960 exactly a

00:40:39.740 very vote

00:40:40.520 winning

00:40:40.840 perspective to

00:40:42.000 project

00:40:42.740 well

00:40:43.400 yeah

00:40:44.180 this comes

00:40:44.820 to the

00:40:45.100 next bit

00:40:45.600 here

00:40:45.840 because he

00:40:46.440 said something

00:40:47.340 about not

00:40:48.700 alienating

00:40:49.440 islam in 0.97

00:40:50.260 the uk

00:40:50.640 and this

00:40:52.040 is directly

00:40:53.160 relevant to

00:40:53.840 what we are

00:40:54.360 saying now

00:40:54.840 about integration

00:40:55.600 because it

00:40:57.420 seems to be

00:40:59.160 a mess

00:40:59.520 there seems

00:41:00.320 to be

00:41:00.560 attention

00:41:00.860 because he

00:41:01.380 says for

00:41:01.780 instance

00:41:02.100 we should

00:41:02.780 deport people

00:41:03.500 who fail

00:41:04.300 to integrate

00:41:04.860 there is a

00:41:05.780 rising number

00:41:06.600 of people

00:41:07.000 who fail

00:41:07.480 to integrate

00:41:08.920 but also

00:41:09.820 if we don't

00:41:10.460 appease them

00:41:10.860 we will lose

00:41:11.480 lose what

00:41:13.340 there doesn't

00:41:14.040 seem to be

00:41:14.560 much sense

00:41:15.220 there

00:41:15.500 let's play

00:41:16.220 the clip

00:41:16.680 and listen

00:41:17.580 to his

00:41:18.140 one of the

00:41:18.620 things i've

00:41:19.160 seen one of

00:41:19.700 the big

00:41:19.940 divisions i've

00:41:20.480 seen in

00:41:20.960 britain is

00:41:21.800 really it's

00:41:23.380 kind of come

00:41:24.100 up on the

00:41:24.520 issue of

00:41:25.140 islam and

00:41:25.920 you've clearly

00:41:27.940 stated beforehand

00:41:28.860 that you think

00:41:29.500 the majority of

00:41:30.180 british muslims

00:41:31.560 see the

00:41:32.280 extremist

00:41:32.800 islamists and

00:41:33.740 are as

00:41:34.080 concerned as

00:41:34.680 the rest of

00:41:35.820 no they're more

00:41:36.420 concerned than

00:41:36.920 us they're more

00:41:37.760 concerned of

00:41:38.400 course because

00:41:38.780 it's more like

00:41:39.280 it's more likely

00:41:40.060 to affect their

00:41:40.640 lives

00:41:40.960 okay so i

00:41:42.080 i mean if

00:41:43.080 you're a muslim

00:41:43.600 family and

00:41:45.320 the news is

00:41:45.860 all about

00:41:46.240 radical islamists

00:41:47.420 committing 0.99

00:41:47.840 heinous acts

00:41:48.920 you know you're

00:41:50.420 gonna think wow

00:41:51.080 my neighbors may

00:41:51.800 well be prejudiced

00:41:52.440 against me because

00:41:53.080 i'm muslim

00:41:53.600 yeah

00:41:54.180 i want to

00:41:56.060 pose here and

00:41:57.020 i want to pose

00:41:57.720 here and say

00:41:58.240 something about

00:41:58.880 this so

00:41:59.520 muslims are the 0.96

00:42:02.240 victim of islamic 0.99

00:42:03.040 terrorism

00:42:03.440 yeah but also

00:42:04.480 you can't put

00:42:05.980 on a par

00:42:06.700 people concerned

00:42:07.740 about the

00:42:08.780 erosion of

00:42:09.880 their culture

00:42:10.480 and their

00:42:11.320 ethnicity

00:42:11.760 with people

00:42:13.340 who may be

00:42:13.980 concerned about

00:42:14.940 being let's

00:42:16.160 say told

00:42:17.700 being associated

00:42:20.020 with extremists

00:42:21.300 even if they're

00:42:21.920 not it's

00:42:23.200 yes i i think

00:42:24.680 not not all

00:42:25.560 not all muslims

00:42:26.580 are radical

00:42:27.180 extremists i think

00:42:28.700 that this

00:42:29.160 great statement

00:42:30.340 of you there

00:42:30.820 stelios

00:42:31.220 yeah i think

00:42:32.000 that's

00:42:32.680 that's uh

00:42:35.640 but but when

00:42:36.680 he says this

00:42:37.680 what he is

00:42:39.060 making it all

00:42:39.920 about who

00:42:41.520 has the

00:42:41.980 greatest concern

00:42:42.860 and the question

00:42:44.000 is concern

00:42:44.580 about what

00:42:45.220 concern about

00:42:46.220 not being

00:42:46.740 associated

00:42:47.460 with

00:42:48.320 radicals

00:42:49.760 or concern

00:42:50.700 about

00:42:51.260 saving the

00:42:52.680 country

00:42:53.060 the same

00:42:53.720 way that a

00:42:54.660 lot of

00:42:54.960 reform uk

00:42:55.640 voters are

00:42:56.440 thinking

00:42:56.720 because

00:42:57.620 yeah there

00:42:58.620 may be

00:42:59.140 lots of

00:42:59.860 lots of

00:43:00.480 people are

00:43:00.860 concerned about

00:43:01.520 all sorts

00:43:02.260 of things

00:43:02.720 they're not

00:43:03.380 the same

00:43:03.780 things

00:43:04.160 it seems

00:43:05.020 to me

00:43:05.380 that the

00:43:05.940 reform uk

00:43:06.600 voters are

00:43:07.280 concerned about

00:43:07.940 maintaining a

00:43:08.760 kind of national

00:43:09.620 identity and

00:43:10.840 sovereignty for

00:43:11.500 england

00:43:11.840 yes and

00:43:12.560 sentiment

00:43:12.960 let's continue

00:43:14.600 so i think

00:43:17.160 they're even more

00:43:17.640 concerned than

00:43:18.120 we are

00:43:18.420 okay so

00:43:19.020 although i

00:43:20.340 see that there

00:43:21.140 are plenty of

00:43:21.720 british

00:43:22.060 noble british

00:43:23.220 muslims

00:43:23.740 zia yousaf 0.96

00:43:24.260 being a great

00:43:24.820 example of one

00:43:25.680 yeah i've had on

00:43:26.420 the show ed

00:43:26.840 hussein who i

00:43:27.480 think is another

00:43:27.900 i could i could

00:43:28.720 name others

00:43:29.220 there's certainly

00:43:29.740 some great british

00:43:30.820 muslims that give 1.00

00:43:31.580 me great hope

00:43:32.040 geopolitically if

00:43:33.620 you look at the

00:43:33.960 behavior of the

00:43:34.400 emirates and

00:43:34.920 everyone involved

00:43:35.460 in the abraham

00:43:35.880 accords i'm given

00:43:37.180 great hope by

00:43:37.860 muslim majority

00:43:38.560 countries but

00:43:39.880 i'm not totally

00:43:40.980 convinced by the

00:43:42.040 idea that the

00:43:42.980 majority of british

00:43:44.000 muslims feel this

00:43:45.080 way and i'm

00:43:46.080 particularly struck

00:43:46.660 by the henry

00:43:47.180 jackson if i may

00:43:48.100 henry jackson

00:43:49.140 polling from

00:43:49.940 earlier this year

00:43:50.720 that said that

00:43:51.760 two or three

00:43:52.800 quarters of british

00:43:53.660 muslims didn't 1.00

00:43:55.620 believe hamas had 0.51

00:43:56.460 committed murder

00:43:57.120 or rape on 0.95

00:43:58.800 october 7th

00:44:00.120 most more than

00:44:01.120 half of them

00:44:01.780 i have i have

00:44:05.620 the the report

00:44:06.480 here and i

00:44:08.080 i'll say i'll

00:44:09.600 mention some of

00:44:10.480 the data here

00:44:11.040 they say only

00:44:11.660 only one in four

00:44:13.220 british only one

00:44:14.780 in four british

00:44:16.000 muslims believe

00:44:16.760 hamas committed 0.95

00:44:17.480 murder or rape in

00:44:18.520 israel in october

00:44:19.520 7th 2023

00:44:21.080 they say almost

00:44:22.540 half of british

00:44:23.280 muslims say jews

00:44:24.860 have too much 0.97

00:44:25.580 power over uk

00:44:26.340 government policy

00:44:27.320 british muslims

00:44:29.320 are more likely

00:44:29.960 to have a positive

00:44:30.840 rather than negative

00:44:31.740 view of hamas a

00:44:32.660 prescribed terrorist

00:44:33.560 organization in the

00:44:34.620 uk nearly half of

00:44:36.980 british muslims would 1.00

00:44:38.040 back the removal of

00:44:39.140 an mp if they took a

00:44:40.540 different stance on

00:44:41.460 israel palestine to

00:44:42.640 them 52 percent want

00:44:45.380 to make it illegal to

00:44:46.600 show a picture of the

00:44:47.780 muslim prophet

00:44:48.780 muhammad i mean

00:44:49.960 32 percent of british

00:44:51.820 muslims favor the

00:44:53.060 implementation of

00:44:54.300 sharia law and the

00:44:55.760 same number the

00:44:56.980 declaration of islam

00:44:58.360 as national religion

00:44:59.400 and extreme views were

00:45:01.360 generally more likely

00:45:02.680 to be found in the

00:45:03.600 youngest cohort of

00:45:04.680 18 to 34 among

00:45:06.460 graduates of all ages

00:45:07.920 as a person on

00:45:09.080 graduates and british

00:45:10.540 born rather than

00:45:11.720 foreign born muslims

00:45:13.360 suggesting british

00:45:14.580 integration policy is

00:45:16.280 failing and needs

00:45:17.240 urgent revision

00:45:18.100 yep so it seems to

00:45:21.420 me that you remember

00:45:23.120 a criticism of

00:45:24.740 foreign of uh of 0.78

00:45:26.600 colonial powers that

00:45:28.920 says that they were

00:45:29.840 externalizing their

00:45:31.980 internal problems it

00:45:33.560 seems to me that

00:45:34.080 multiculturalism right

00:45:35.220 now is about

00:45:35.820 internalizing foreign

00:45:37.080 problems all of this

00:45:39.300 report is about

00:45:41.040 things that

00:45:41.860 usually they don't have

00:45:44.680 much to do with

00:45:45.660 england they have to

00:45:47.260 do with foreign

00:45:47.800 conflicts but also you

00:45:49.240 could say that if

00:45:50.820 more than the

00:45:52.660 majority if 52

00:45:54.040 people want to

00:45:55.200 depose ing politicians

00:45:57.360 of the english part of

00:45:59.260 the uk parliament

00:46:00.180 because of their

00:46:01.280 stance in something

00:46:02.480 that has nothing to do

00:46:03.640 with british politics

00:46:04.720 that suggests a level

00:46:07.880 of tribalism that is

00:46:10.400 going to be a bomb in

00:46:11.880 any kind of so almost

00:46:13.980 certainly any kind of

00:46:15.280 attempt at

00:46:16.720 coexistence almost

00:46:17.920 certainly in 20 to

00:46:19.300 30 years if not less

00:46:20.740 politics in this

00:46:21.920 country will be the

00:46:23.040 islamic party versus

00:46:24.340 someone else and and

00:46:26.360 this is something that

00:46:27.560 was touched in the

00:46:28.660 interview now we'll

00:46:29.660 play it from connor's

00:46:30.800 tweet uh connor thinks

00:46:32.420 that farage made a

00:46:33.620 great mistake for doing

00:46:35.460 this because he says

00:46:36.420 basically if we if we

00:46:38.700 politically alienate all

00:46:40.520 of islam by 2050 we 0.62

00:46:42.060 will lose let's play

00:46:43.560 this

00:46:43.880 but the number of it

00:46:49.880 is we have a muslim

00:46:52.400 population in britain

00:46:53.380 growing by about 75

00:46:56.380 percent every 10 years

00:46:57.520 right that's just where

00:46:59.280 we are if we politically

00:47:03.280 alienate the whole of

00:47:06.560 islam we will lose we'll 1.00

00:47:09.400 lose so how does one

00:47:10.800 include we will lose by

00:47:12.200 2050 goodness knows

00:47:15.020 what kind of a terrible

00:47:16.320 state we're gonna be

00:47:17.080 just surrendering up

00:47:18.140 front yeah it kind of

00:47:19.900 seems that way this is

00:47:21.820 this is and i mentioned

00:47:23.080 to you this you earlier

00:47:24.460 this in the office but

00:47:25.160 this is the position that

00:47:26.300 the civ nats get

00:47:27.020 themselves into because

00:47:27.940 they say we're going to

00:47:29.300 follow the law we're

00:47:30.140 going to follow you know

00:47:31.260 whatever the majority

00:47:32.140 decides and then you put

00:47:33.780 it to them okay well the 0.93

00:47:34.880 muslims are going to be a 1.00

00:47:35.660 majority at the current

00:47:37.140 trend rates what are you

00:47:38.400 going to do about it

00:47:39.040 well they have no choice

00:47:39.940 but to accept that we

00:47:41.100 are going to end up as

00:47:41.920 an islamic nation if you

00:47:43.660 follow the civ nat

00:47:44.520 logic you have to follow

00:47:46.440 the ethnic logic there

00:47:47.600 has to be a redress of

00:47:48.840 this you need to you need

00:47:50.240 to say you know would

00:47:51.520 you guys like to leave or

00:47:52.940 would you like to have a

00:47:53.600 bacon sandwich you know

00:47:54.540 you pick pick one of the

00:47:55.520 two something along those

00:47:56.440 lines we this is just

00:47:58.680 surrender talk the the so

00:48:01.380 rather than using civ nat

00:48:03.160 and ethnic is just like

00:48:04.440 internet terms what you

00:48:06.200 mean is sort of the

00:48:07.040 liberal or traditional

00:48:07.900 logics right so the

00:48:09.960 liberal logic of course

00:48:10.860 does see people as

00:48:12.700 isolated abstracted

00:48:14.480 universal men whereas

00:48:16.200 the traditional view is

00:48:17.420 that people belong to

00:48:18.420 times places and

00:48:19.340 cultures and carry that

00:48:21.260 with them and I think

00:48:22.020 what Stelios showed with

00:48:23.040 the report that we just

00:48:24.360 looked at is that yeah

00:48:25.920 the you can bring in a

00:48:28.580 bunch of muslims from

00:48:29.600 their own countries who

00:48:30.880 are generally favorable to

00:48:32.960 the west and like the

00:48:34.080 idea of what the way the

00:48:35.380 west works but the culture

00:48:36.840 that they bring with them

00:48:37.720 and reproduce in their

00:48:38.600 own households produces

00:48:40.160 children who are not

00:48:41.800 already on that train who

00:48:44.180 do not already agree with

00:48:45.120 it and may not have the

00:48:47.240 same disposition as their

00:48:48.240 own parents so the

00:48:49.440 children like well hang on

00:48:50.160 I didn't consent to come

00:48:51.020 and live here I was I

00:48:51.860 would have liked to have

00:48:52.560 lived in a muslim culture

00:48:53.860 because I'm a muslim and

00:48:54.880 this is the culture this is

00:48:56.060 the religion you brought me

00:48:56.960 up with this is the culture

00:48:57.920 that I hold dear to me

00:48:59.700 this isn't going to happen

00:49:00.560 but if I were to decide I

00:49:02.140 wanted to retire in Japan it

00:49:03.740 would be because I

00:49:04.540 respected the tradition

00:49:05.800 and culture of Japan

00:49:06.800 but if you move to Japan

00:49:07.900 your children might not

00:49:08.900 agree and then why did

00:49:10.200 you give up this amazing

00:49:11.720 English culture dad why

00:49:13.660 did you do this to me

00:49:14.520 but I would consider it

00:49:15.380 cultural vandalism to

00:49:16.420 start trying to impose my

00:49:17.820 culture on them but

00:49:19.220 but that's you know your

00:49:21.280 choice that's not

00:49:22.100 necessarily the same as

00:49:22.900 everyone else but the

00:49:23.820 point is the children of

00:49:24.920 these people still view

00:49:26.280 themselves primarily as

00:49:27.600 muslims or pakistanis and

00:49:29.980 they have deep ties to the

00:49:31.340 old country and they didn't

00:49:33.020 consent to coming here and

00:49:35.380 they may well feel that

00:49:36.540 they've had something taken

00:49:37.460 from them that their

00:49:39.120 parents willingly gave up

00:49:40.480 and so they're trying to

00:49:41.880 recreate that you have to

00:49:42.980 go then but but also

00:49:44.180 there's another thing that

00:49:45.740 he's a statesman and as

00:49:47.620 you said he hopes to be

00:49:48.740 the next PM yeah he should

00:49:50.000 be giving us a vision of

00:49:50.860 the future when you are

00:49:52.260 speaking like a statesman

00:49:53.820 you don't go out to

00:49:54.980 appease any group you

00:49:56.640 don't go out and say this

00:49:58.320 about any group because

00:49:59.760 it's when when you talk

00:50:01.760 about groups like that

00:50:02.760 you're saying well

00:50:03.500 they're a huge force and

00:50:06.100 we need them rather than

00:50:08.200 rather than saying this

00:50:09.440 you should be saying we

00:50:11.360 are going to demand people

00:50:13.640 to integrate as he says

00:50:15.880 in the previous minutes of

00:50:16.860 the conversation because

00:50:18.400 if integration is

00:50:19.380 important then you can't

00:50:20.700 be a multiculturalist

00:50:22.040 multiculturalism and

00:50:23.480 integration don't go

00:50:24.380 together in any strong

00:50:26.160 meaningful sense

00:50:27.660 multiculturalism says

00:50:29.140 we're going to have lots

00:50:30.120 of groups each of these

00:50:31.420 groups is going to have

00:50:32.220 its own culture they're 0.98

00:50:33.440 going to practice its own

00:50:34.780 culture and then the

00:50:36.500 obvious question becomes

00:50:37.620 well if the culture of a 0.83

00:50:39.180 particular group is very

00:50:41.800 hostile to the very laws

00:50:44.320 that are required to make

00:50:46.320 coexistence between people

00:50:47.840 possible what are you going

00:50:50.240 to do you have a major

00:50:51.040 problem you don't go out

00:50:53.060 and make statements of

00:50:54.220 appeasement well and the

00:50:55.280 worst thing is that Faraj 1.00

00:50:56.220 sees where this is going

00:50:57.360 he's saying that by 2050

00:50:59.140 we'll lose because by

00:51:00.120 2050 Islam is going to be 1.00

00:51:02.120 politically dominant what

00:51:02.980 does this even mean we

00:51:04.040 will lose who's we and

00:51:05.220 what are we what are we

00:51:06.040 losing him Nigel and the

00:51:07.500 answer is the English and

00:51:08.760 our country so no wonder

00:51:11.060 he looks so defeated when

00:51:12.200 he's talking about the

00:51:12.840 subject he just hasn't got

00:51:14.560 in he's like Tyson I hate

00:51:16.460 to do this though we're

00:51:17.860 going to have to move on

00:51:18.500 okay let's move on but

00:51:21.100 it's not good is it anyway

00:51:24.740 let's let's move on to the

00:51:26.100 next and final segment so

00:51:27.440 our governments have

00:51:28.520 been engaging in social

00:51:29.720 engineering for quite some

00:51:30.780 time now and in fact if

00:51:32.980 you're a young person

00:51:33.860 you're going to be the

00:51:34.680 consequence of it this is

00:51:36.520 the mindset report that

00:51:38.720 was done by the

00:51:39.660 institution for government

00:51:40.920 back in 2009 so Gus

00:51:43.720 O'Donnell cabinet

00:51:44.900 secretary and head of the

00:51:45.820 home civil service asked

00:51:47.360 Matt T the permanent

00:51:48.400 secretary for government

00:51:49.280 communication to review

00:51:50.700 the implications of putting

00:51:53.120 into practice something

00:51:54.920 called behavioral theory

00:51:56.300 for policy making and as

00:51:58.800 they tell us in this

00:52:00.080 report the cabinet office

00:52:01.880 commissioned the institute

00:52:02.680 for government to produce

00:52:03.600 this report exploring the

00:52:05.320 application of behavioral

00:52:06.400 theory to public policy of

00:52:07.720 senior policy sector

00:52:08.680 leaders and policy makers

00:52:09.840 and so they say well we've

00:52:11.160 approached this topic

00:52:11.880 collaboratively the program

00:52:13.540 began with a behavior

00:52:14.680 change summit in May 2009

00:52:16.440 which brought together

00:52:17.600 senior policy strategy and

00:52:19.040 insight officials from

00:52:19.980 across government and a

00:52:21.140 number of external experts

00:52:22.340 and so the purpose of

00:52:23.800 this is influencing behavior

00:52:26.480 and they say this should

00:52:27.820 be central to public

00:52:29.040 policy because there's

00:52:30.600 been a recent in the in

00:52:32.980 the 2000s there was a the

00:52:35.420 time a recent understanding

00:52:36.860 on how the government

00:52:38.220 could shape the subtly shape

00:52:40.840 the opinions of the people

00:52:42.100 in order to incentivize them

00:52:44.120 in one direction and against

00:52:46.020 another all that nudge

00:52:47.260 nonsense yes indeed this is

00:52:49.260 what has become come to be

00:52:50.720 known as the nudge unit so

00:52:53.060 the uh the actual uh name

00:52:56.160 of this is the behavioral

00:52:57.180 insights team but it's called

00:52:58.960 the nudge unit because

00:52:59.940 that's more revealing and

00:53:01.400 more honest about what it

00:53:02.400 does or what it actually is

00:53:03.620 a psychological warfare

00:53:04.980 operation against their own

00:53:06.180 people yes that's precisely

00:53:08.260 hate this so much yeah me

00:53:09.780 too it was established by the

00:53:11.320 cabinet office in 2010 by

00:53:12.580 david cameron's government

00:53:13.680 so as you can see it's

00:53:15.000 something that began under

00:53:15.920 the labor government and was

00:53:17.600 just completely inherited by the

00:53:19.860 conservative government because

00:53:21.400 they're a continuity right

00:53:22.860 labor and conservative there's

00:53:24.340 no hard division between them

00:53:25.540 they're both continuity

00:53:26.720 governments carrying forward

00:53:28.180 the same project and the nudge

00:53:30.920 unit as part of it the nudge

00:53:33.180 unit um was uh set up and

00:53:36.160 its chief chief executive is a

00:53:39.020 dr david halpern former director

00:53:41.420 of research at the institute for

00:53:43.620 um government who was also uh in

00:53:46.340 the government's what works

00:53:47.300 national advisor and it's called

00:53:48.920 the nudge unit uh after a book

00:53:51.260 by richard thaler who won a

00:53:53.380 nobel prize in economics and

00:53:54.640 cass sunstein which set out uh how

00:53:57.320 people are not the rational

00:53:58.360 economic actors uh of the sort of

00:54:00.680 austrian school of thought yeah uh

00:54:03.620 but instead can can be influenced

00:54:05.360 by what they call quote choice

00:54:06.940 architecture into making better

00:54:09.580 choices for their own interests

00:54:11.720 define better well define the

00:54:14.220 choices they want you to make exactly

00:54:16.240 they've decided they're going to

00:54:17.500 make you make

00:54:18.380 yeah so again the the there's a lot

00:54:21.860 that's been presupposed there to the

00:54:23.800 government has the authority to do

00:54:25.320 this that the negative outcomes might

00:54:28.360 not be something that you've earned or

00:54:29.780 deserve or choose themselves and the

00:54:31.980 idea that better choices and your own

00:54:34.160 interests are some sort of objective

00:54:36.660 man as a permanent progressive being

00:54:39.220 from john stuart mill perspective and in

00:54:42.140 these papers uh they do expressly cite

00:54:45.260 dewey and mill as well so this is an

00:54:47.520 incredibly entirely libertarian and

00:54:49.640 utilitarian i mean perspective i i

00:54:52.820 wouldn't say it's libertarian because

00:54:54.140 they actually use coercion no no no

00:54:56.820 sorry i meant it's also covert but

00:54:59.180 yeah i meant utilitarian a liberal

00:55:00.920 utilitarian um uh perspective not

00:55:03.920 libertarian my apologies but anyway so

00:55:06.140 like i said it's uh done by a dr david

00:55:09.180 halpern for some reason the link isn't

00:55:10.680 there but i'll carry on anyway uh from

00:55:12.540 2001 to 2007 he was the chief analyst

00:55:15.320 for uh tony blair's strategy unit and

00:55:18.940 then he went to become the director of

00:55:20.740 institute for government for 2008 to

00:55:22.660 2010 where he remains a senior fellow so

00:55:25.080 literally the blair appointee who was

00:55:27.340 part of the blair government strategy

00:55:29.340 unit went into the civil service became

00:55:32.300 part of the institute for government and

00:55:33.540 then the cameron government picked that

00:55:34.840 up and like yep brilliant this is

00:55:36.920 ideologically neutral this is not

00:55:38.860 someone with uh no a radical globalist

00:55:41.380 agenda or anything but then that would

00:55:43.180 imply that the conservatives weren't

00:55:44.420 radical globalists um it was partially

00:55:46.420 privatized in 2013 because they

00:55:48.860 realized it was so successful that this

00:55:50.920 could be sold to private companies to

00:55:53.160 make lots of money and so that's what

00:55:55.220 they've done i'll skip over that now um

00:55:58.260 and help and wrote a paper explaining

00:56:00.540 what this does how the process of

00:56:03.980 managerial nudging works and he gives us

00:56:06.940 an amazing example again remember this

00:56:09.500 is so you make better choices for your

00:56:11.580 own interests right quote one great

00:56:15.240 success has been our initiative to

00:56:16.960 change the letters issued by our tax

00:56:18.720 office in non-revenue right so your

00:56:22.020 interests as far as they're concerned is

00:56:24.420 you paying your taxes making better

00:56:28.140 decisions right our tax authorities write

00:56:31.240 millions of tax letters each year we

00:56:33.380 found that small changes in the wording

00:56:34.880 for example telling people that something

00:56:36.440 that something that is true such as

00:56:38.940 most people pay their tax on time can

00:56:41.100 be a very effective way of encouraging

00:56:42.480 people to pay their tax even a small

00:56:44.420 variation on that saying most people in

00:56:45.980 your area have paid their tax and you're

00:56:47.320 one of the few yet to pay turns out to

00:56:49.420 be a very effective way of increasing

00:56:50.760 compliance and tax rates

00:56:51.960 interestingly it also reduces the number

00:56:54.260 of complaints the marginal cost of these

00:56:56.060 changes is almost zero but they're now

00:56:57.440 bringing in hundreds of millions of

00:56:58.700 pounds forward in payment of tax in the

00:57:01.500 uk and so it's not that it's not

00:57:03.320 sensible and you can see why they do it

00:57:05.180 but is that better choices in your own

00:57:07.820 interests or is it better choices for

00:57:10.620 the state the managerial international

00:57:12.740 state for their interests to make sure

00:57:15.740 that they get your money more

00:57:17.500 efficiently and suddenly you can see

00:57:19.520 exactly the problem of this but the

00:57:21.800 conclusion just to run through this

00:57:23.540 very quickly is that the behavioral

00:57:24.780 insight team is having quote a major

00:57:27.080 impact in the uk according to david

00:57:29.280 halpern you know i noticed yeah

00:57:30.920 absolutely absolutely and so uh yeah

00:57:33.640 no it's it's they're very they're all

00:57:35.700 very much on board with this and you can

00:57:36.820 go back to sort of 2011 you find

00:57:38.780 articles like this government can change

00:57:40.900 people's behavior well duh we know we

00:57:43.860 used to call that totalitarianism we

00:57:45.960 used to call that evil that was one of

00:57:47.540 the reasons that people hated the nazis

00:57:49.340 and the soviets actually because they

00:57:51.120 were very conscious of the fact oh yeah

00:57:52.620 government can change people's behavior

00:57:53.980 we can use a secret police we can use a we

00:57:56.660 can have a complete police state we can

00:57:58.200 have a centrally commanded economy and

00:58:00.780 we can have borders that you're not

00:58:02.660 allowed to leave let alone come into

00:58:04.700 and suddenly yeah the government's

00:58:06.920 definitely going to start changing

00:58:07.820 people's behavior but is it for the

00:58:09.140 better does it have a license to do

00:58:11.360 this and he says well but what if it

00:58:14.040 what if what about if it's just for

00:58:15.920 practical reasons right there are lots

00:58:18.140 of practical ways to use behavior to

00:58:20.180 save money and most of these new

00:58:22.660 approaches require us to shift the way

00:58:24.420 that the public services operate we've

00:58:26.620 can we continue to move away from a

00:58:28.240 one-size-fits-all provision and

00:58:29.960 rebuild government around the values

00:58:31.460 and motivations of our citizens

00:58:32.760 okay so you could have the government

00:58:35.780 respond organically to certain

00:58:38.720 different areas of society depending on

00:58:40.700 the different values each area has and

00:58:43.020 that sounds again all well and good

00:58:44.540 that doesn't sound terrible and if

00:58:46.140 you're doing it to save money I mean

00:58:47.540 who's not in favor of saving money

00:58:48.780 okay just do less in the first place

00:58:50.700 there well that would be an option

00:58:52.340 that they're not going to consider

00:58:53.540 but the problem is it begins in the

00:58:57.660 practical well wouldn't you just like

00:58:59.660 to save some money but then it ends

00:59:02.120 with moral crusaders who are going to

00:59:04.740 try and wipe out values such as well 1.00

00:59:08.760 try to wipe out racism right that's

00:59:11.520 where this where this ends as recently

00:59:14.700 published by the telegraph and

00:59:15.820 aggregated by yahoo here the welsh

00:59:18.180 government has pledged to change the

00:59:20.740 beliefs and behaviors of the white

00:59:22.260 majority in wales right so the people

00:59:24.740 of wales are the problem that the

00:59:27.740 government social engineers have

00:59:29.380 arrived at the white majority so the

00:59:32.040 welsh the welsh are the problem for 1.00

00:59:34.360 the welsh government they're just 1.00

00:59:35.800 saying it out loud yes they're

00:59:37.480 literally saying it out loud what began

00:59:39.640 in 2009 took 15 years to oh right no

00:59:43.440 all of the people are the problem

00:59:44.520 because literally yeah what you but

00:59:46.800 hang on it's inevitable that it got to

00:59:48.660 this position right yes the government

00:59:50.660 government has become a kind of self

00:59:52.880 aware managerial project it's like no

00:59:55.680 we've got spreadsheets i mean that's

00:59:57.080 literally all the help and we're

00:59:58.560 talking about we've got a bunch of

00:59:59.660 spreadsheets we need to get the

01:00:00.620 numbers here to this position so for

01:00:03.240 example on the subject of tax we're just

01:00:04.920 going to manipulate them but say you

01:00:06.260 look by the way everyone around you

01:00:07.280 paid your tax do you think total

01:00:08.800 managerialism total managerialism and

01:00:12.080 it's not as bad as it could be when

01:00:15.620 it's say about maybe increasing

01:00:17.580 revenues or reducing waste or

01:00:19.400 something like that fair enough you

01:00:20.680 know if you if you snudge people to

01:00:23.240 pay their tax on time yeah okay the

01:00:25.660 british state makes more money fair

01:00:26.960 enough and that's that's just one

01:00:28.060 example out of many or you go on can

01:00:29.280 i can i throw in a quick plug laura

01:00:31.060 dodsworth wrote a book called free

01:00:33.180 your mind which is all about this the

01:00:34.640 nudge unit in the history of it and

01:00:36.120 what happened over covid and i

01:00:37.980 interviewed her for brokernomics uh

01:00:40.080 maybe a year ago and it's called the

01:00:42.180 brokernomics free your mind so

01:00:43.460 anybody who wants to to get deeper

01:00:45.220 into this can go and watch that yeah

01:00:46.580 no absolutely but the that's the

01:00:48.080 point isn't it they moved incredibly

01:00:50.080 fast on this in 2009 they were having

01:00:52.500 the consultations in 2010 they set up

01:00:54.580 the institute and now we're here to

01:00:57.140 essentially reformat the brains of 0.99

01:00:59.880 welsh people because they're all racist 1.00

01:01:02.380 because it begins in practicality but 0.99

01:01:06.620 then of course why wouldn't it take

01:01:08.460 on a moral crusade because you can

01:01:11.100 always frame waste as an immoral thing

01:01:13.820 waste is a moral problem you're

01:01:15.320 wasting people's money you shouldn't

01:01:16.900 be doing that well okay if we're

01:01:18.140 talking about moral sentiments well

01:01:20.080 what else are the welsh doing that we

01:01:21.500 don't like well they're ethnically

01:01:23.920 particular they like being welsh people 1.00

01:01:27.120 yeah they're not very inclusive in that

01:01:29.160 way in fact being welsh is exclusive

01:01:30.860 you're born into it or you don't have

01:01:33.200 it and that's not inclusive and so

01:01:35.800 we'll just go through this because

01:01:36.820 this is just just completely remarkable

01:01:39.600 and all i'm almost just going to read

01:01:41.640 this verbatim because almost no

01:01:43.880 commentary is needed on the position

01:01:46.180 that we're at right so labor's devolved

01:01:48.700 administration has vowed to eradicate

01:01:51.080 racism by 2030 and set out an anti-racist

01:01:55.520 action plan which insists that all aspects

01:01:58.240 of public life are made inclusive to meet

01:02:01.120 the demands of the plan public bodies

01:02:03.000 have been launched which include

01:02:04.180 potentially destroying statues of quote

01:02:06.440 old white men that have been deemed

01:02:08.900 offensive and official reports are

01:02:11.060 advised creating dog-free areas to boost

01:02:14.280 inclusion because of course dogs are

01:02:15.980 racist now do they by any chance to find

01:02:18.060 what racism is racism is the act of being

01:02:21.700 ethnically particular to a particular place

01:02:24.360 in time right so it only applies to white

01:02:26.740 people obviously so but they don't define

01:02:29.400 this obviously but that's i just think

01:02:31.940 it's kind of bizarre that i grew up a few

01:02:33.860 hundred miles from wales and yet i can

01:02:35.720 never be a welshman yes i cannot be a 0.99

01:02:38.480 welshman however the current dogma is

01:02:40.780 that you can grow up in pakistan and you

01:02:42.520 can become a welshman yes but also they 0.60

01:02:45.480 define racism as a collection of racist

01:02:49.500 policies substantiated by racist ideas that

01:02:52.360 it's true um so anyway the uh the labor

01:02:55.120 government has revealed the outcome of

01:02:56.420 this plan will be to change beliefs and

01:02:58.400 behavior of the white majority uh this

01:03:00.380 foot is first stated an updated plan

01:03:02.120 released with the forward by elunid

01:03:03.740 morgan the first minister of wales so

01:03:06.300 again it's it's not like this is some

01:03:08.360 crackpot fringe nut this is the first

01:03:11.580 minister of wales who's produced who's

01:03:13.400 released the forward with a report with

01:03:16.140 her forward in it so it's completely 0.88

01:03:17.500 endorsed by the welsh government who's

01:03:19.200 reiterated her commitment to building an

01:03:22.240 inclusive and equitable society for all

01:03:24.880 of our black asian and minority ethnic

01:03:26.880 people and communities so wales is to

01:03:29.360 become dedicated to making itself a

01:03:32.040 conformable place for foreigners that's

01:03:34.600 what wales is for according to the welsh

01:03:37.480 government an explain explanation of the

01:03:40.180 logic of the refresh refresh action plan

01:03:42.280 states that the overall vision of an

01:03:44.240 anti-racist wales will be achieved through

01:03:47.240 shifts in knowledge belief experiences and

01:03:49.220 behavior as well as systemic and cultural

01:03:51.540 changes in order to realize the goals of

01:03:54.540 the anti-racist action plan museums galleries

01:03:57.100 and public artworks have been told to set

01:03:59.300 right the right historical narrative that

01:04:01.740 provides a decolonized account of the

01:04:04.340 past as in a narrative that decenters the

01:04:08.000 welsh in their own national story that's

01:04:11.520 the point to and they carry on this version of

01:04:16.220 welsh history must be quote one that

01:04:18.120 recognizes both historical injustices and

01:04:20.960 the positive impact of black asian and

01:04:23.220 minority minority ethnic communities before

01:04:26.280 the 20th century there was not any minority

01:04:29.020 community in wales from abroad i mean the

01:04:31.900 best i can think of is rourke's drift that

01:04:34.220 was a welsh unit wasn't it i mean it was

01:04:36.220 yeah i mean you could you could play up the

01:04:37.800 involvement of the zulus i guess but i'd be

01:04:39.660 beyond that i'm stretching i guess you could

01:04:41.500 this has led to institutions such as the

01:04:44.000 big pit national coal museum being mandated

01:04:46.360 to provide educational material that will

01:04:48.100 tell stories through the lens of black asian

01:04:51.120 and minority ethnic experiences in wales

01:04:53.640 again the welsh people have been totally 1.00

01:04:56.040 decentered from their own historic experience

01:04:58.880 and particular national narrative like this

01:05:02.140 is just an evil thing to do but this is the

01:05:05.320 official plan of the welsh government and

01:05:08.040 they're going to use this kind of managerial

01:05:10.400 technique for moral reasons it's all well and

01:05:13.820 good at saying well it's going to save us

01:05:15.060 money yeah okay but now you're literally

01:05:16.740 going to dispossess them of their own 0.97

01:05:18.660 homeland i mean they've been there since

01:05:21.060 before the romans just fyi like they've

01:05:24.400 they've been in wales longer than the english

01:05:25.700 have been in england and the english have

01:05:27.260 been in england for a thousand five hundred

01:05:28.520 years so anyway right the welsh government

01:05:31.900 directives have already led to official advice

01:05:33.780 being issued on how to deal with potentially

01:05:35.960 offensive statues of admiral nelson the duke

01:05:39.560 of wellington henry morton stanley all who

01:05:41.740 all have monuments right government guidance

01:05:44.220 created last year stated that historical

01:05:46.200 statues that often glorify quote powerful

01:05:49.260 older able-bodied white men may be offensive 0.73

01:05:52.060 to a more diverse modern public surely that's

01:05:54.660 the issue that the diverse modern public just

01:05:57.000 has to cope with it's not just it's not just

01:05:59.500 whites a problem it's able-bodied as well 0.96

01:06:01.940 sure so we've got to find disabled blacks to 1.00

01:06:05.820 represent the history of wales yes there 0.94

01:06:08.080 probably aren't very many of them but they

01:06:10.040 say that the advice they've given to the

01:06:11.520 councils is to um find these statues and

01:06:15.380 either hide them or destroy them so what

01:06:19.600 we're witnessing is a full-on communist

01:06:21.480 cultural revolution happening in wales

01:06:23.280 again sleepy old wales is currently in the

01:06:26.440 middle of a sort of maoist cultural

01:06:27.760 revolution it sounds bonkers but this is

01:06:29.820 what they're doing this is and it's it's

01:06:31.940 part of a plan that's been happening for

01:06:33.380 the last 15 years if not longer the policy

01:06:36.560 demands to bring the vision of an anti-racist

01:06:38.680 wales uh to the libraries as well so they're

01:06:43.020 going to make them more inclusive preliminary

01:06:44.900 work sought guidance produce guidance which

01:06:47.380 sought to have librarians quote challenge the

01:06:49.740 paradigm of whiteness it's insanely woke this

01:06:53.020 an anti-racism training was only provided in

01:06:55.780 buildings that were not themselves racist so

01:06:58.200 if you're in a racist building we won't

01:06:59.980 have the anti-racist training in that

01:07:01.700 building we'll find a new building that's

01:07:03.520 not racist and have the anti-racist

01:07:05.000 training in there mental just absolutely 0.99

01:07:07.140 mental this is the most insane version of

01:07:10.100 wokeness that you could possibly find

01:07:11.620 manifesting itself in a place that you might

01:07:17.440 otherwise call not relevant to anti-racist

01:07:21.800 studies let me make a quick call back to the

01:07:23.540 last segment and reform reform is needed to

01:07:28.420 represent the interests of the native

01:07:31.000 population yes and they're not doing it and

01:07:34.280 and the and the welsh i think they got a

01:07:36.720 while before their next election well it might

01:07:38.500 be a couple of years maybe a bit less but

01:07:40.840 reform need to get their act together yeah so

01:07:43.500 that people have an option yes i mean farage

01:07:47.760 has to be able to come out and say you know

01:07:49.060 actually i think wales belongs to the welsh and

01:07:51.780 if foreigners live in wales as as guests then 0.97

01:07:55.780 that's fine but you don't get to do this

01:07:58.240 you have to be at the minimum good guests

01:08:00.220 yeah but the thing is the problem with this

01:08:02.160 is this is of course being done by native

01:08:03.800 welsh men and women right this is being 0.99

01:08:06.100 done by insane woke leftards who have 0.96

01:08:09.720 decided that the welsh themselves are a 1.00

01:08:11.120 problem they need to yeah in a kind of

01:08:12.580 motherly oppressive way bring in the 1.00

01:08:14.860 minorities and suppress them i can hardly

01:08:16.960 not i can hardly blame the welsh for not 1.00

01:08:19.380 voting tory instead of labor because they

01:08:21.300 are both utterly sure they're both

01:08:23.060 terrible but farage has really got to

01:08:24.680 provide a good alternative he needs to

01:08:26.340 step up and soon but a welsh government

01:08:28.400 spokesman said we are committed to

01:08:30.180 creating an anti-racist nation by 2030 what

01:08:33.380 what does that mean right anti-racist

01:08:35.920 nation so a nation by its very description

01:08:38.780 is ethnic through particular and exclusive 0.92

01:08:41.620 right i think they just mean they want to

01:08:43.520 be anti-white well it's not just that 0.63

01:08:46.000 but an anti-racist nation would have to

01:08:48.380 be essentially a geographic location that

01:08:50.580 has no particular roots in any one ethnic

01:08:54.200 group right so wales essentially have to

01:08:57.100 get a new name because that would refer to

01:08:58.840 the welsh people the cumri right so you'd 0.98

01:09:01.360 have to find it just province 72 maybe of the

01:09:04.360 international global empire i don't know it's

01:09:06.340 basically a two-tier country where natives are

01:09:09.100 treated the second-class citizens yes of course 1.00

01:09:11.340 but that's britain in 2024 um but they say our

01:09:15.120 anti our anti-racist wales action plan is

01:09:18.360 built on the values of anti-racism and

01:09:20.740 calls for zero tolerance of all racial 0.95

01:09:22.980 inequality um okay well um i have zero

01:09:26.840 tolerance of anti-racist uh values frankly

01:09:31.500 this is destructive this is designed to

01:09:34.500 strip wales away from the welsh people and 1.00

01:09:37.580 raise up in their place people who are born 0.94

01:09:39.540 overseas this is this is a colonialist

01:09:42.260 project and there's just no other way to

01:09:45.000 describe it so be wary of the fact that the

01:09:47.840 government is doing this and if you're in

01:09:49.520 wales if you vote for the labour party

01:09:51.600 well you get the future you chose

01:09:54.380 um let's get some comments

01:09:59.340 starmer is a meant a metal man with metal

01:10:04.400 thoughts who would cut down the major oak

01:10:06.220 because it only sees this firewood true

01:10:08.460 uh tigriff says there's a grand quest for

01:10:10.760 purity in all moments and with all words

01:10:12.980 from the right it's far more destructive

01:10:14.700 and counterproductive than people realize

01:10:16.540 um yes but it's something we're gonna have

01:10:19.040 to discuss another time uh maham mahamlin

01:10:22.940 says a bit off topic but maybe a good

01:10:25.400 white pill if you could only get one pub

01:10:27.220 in london which would you go to which

01:10:28.720 restaurant which english heritage site

01:10:30.100 i don't know how many pubs in london

01:10:32.240 does london have pubs still maybe i don't

01:10:34.280 know i don't know um anyway let's do we

01:10:37.480 have video comments today jack let's go

01:10:41.700 for them 0.97

01:10:42.700 check this shit out if this doesn't drop 0.99

01:10:49.280 by about 50 cents a liter within the 18 1.00

01:10:51.820 within the next 18 months i will eat my

01:10:54.520 hat

01:10:54.860 okay that looked cheap to me

01:11:00.080 pound a liter

01:11:03.420 to enlighten carl about why so many articles

01:11:09.080 were probably written about quinoa in the

01:11:11.120 guardian is because uh quinoa is mostly

01:11:14.080 grown by slave labor who ends up eating

01:11:16.700 the most quinoa it's going to be vegans

01:11:18.500 and that's going to be leftoids they

01:11:20.520 basically were just trying to make excuses

01:11:22.240 for themselves supporting slave labor

01:11:24.260 typical stuff uh same thing kind of

01:11:27.360 happened with california we grow a lot

01:11:29.360 of avocados because we got to have our

01:11:31.280 avocado toast

01:11:32.320 um and it's actually mostly grown by

01:11:34.540 cartels

01:11:35.080 uh it's called quinoa in english

01:11:39.060 we're not very close to spanish speakers

01:11:42.260 here

01:11:42.540 i don't even know what that is

01:11:44.140 uh it's a kind of like grain i think

01:11:46.320 um it's not bad it's all right it's

01:11:49.580 fine it's just carby grains and you know

01:11:53.640 they're okay they taste fine

01:11:54.820 fair enough

01:11:56.020 despite being a fan of tolkien's work i've

01:11:59.860 only just read the hobbit and was amazed at

01:12:01.760 just how far the movie trilogy veered from

01:12:03.640 the story

01:12:04.160 much as people deride the rings of power

01:12:06.440 we must remember it was peter jackson who

01:12:08.480 started the decline by involving guillermo

01:12:10.580 del toro whose film at the shape of water 0.72

01:12:12.720 revealed what a horrid communist he is

01:12:14.840 additionally there is a tawdry tendency to

01:12:17.320 make sequences in films look like video

01:12:19.140 games special moves up up right a b and 0.79

01:12:22.260 you behead six trolls with the wheels of 0.98

01:12:23.980 your chariot utterly needless 0.99

01:12:25.880 yeah there's i think there's probably a

01:12:28.940 good edit to be done of the hobbit

01:12:30.860 trilogy

01:12:31.300 where you just condense it down all into

01:12:33.360 one movie 1.00

01:12:33.980 it's a stupid scene 1.00

01:12:36.020 yeah it's unbelievable and it's 1.00

01:12:37.960 embarrassing but like there are some

01:12:39.540 good bits in it like the bits with

01:12:40.860 smaug

01:12:41.280 are basically lifted from the book and

01:12:43.600 you can tell because the language

01:12:44.820 becomes tolkien-esque

01:12:46.060 and so they've obviously just right

01:12:47.560 here we'll just copy and paste that

01:12:48.940 dialogue with bilbo

01:12:50.320 i mean it seemed accurate to me

01:12:51.940 because i hadn't read it for 30 years

01:12:53.760 and it had the bits that i could

01:12:54.860 remember

01:12:55.300 but i i i read it probably about five

01:12:57.860 or six years ago

01:12:58.600 um and i mean it's it's quite a fast

01:13:01.440 paced book

01:13:01.980 and it's narrow so there's there's not

01:13:05.000 three movies worth of nonsense and

01:13:06.820 that you could

01:13:07.340 like i said if if i had the patience i'd

01:13:09.780 go through and just edit it

01:13:10.900 into like an hour a couple of years

01:13:12.480 you better give an ia that uh ai that

01:13:15.080 task and it will just give you that

01:13:16.220 movie

01:13:16.440 yeah edit edit the movie so it's

01:13:18.040 basically there's as representative

01:13:19.440 to the books as possible

01:13:20.360 um but you you could doubtless that

01:13:22.100 someone's probably done it to be

01:13:23.740 honest

01:13:24.080 yeah

01:13:24.480 it's probably you know floating

01:13:25.960 around the internet somewhere but

01:13:26.920 there's there there is a half

01:13:28.260 decent movie to be made out of the

01:13:30.340 massively bloated hobbit trilogy

01:13:32.300 let's go to the next one

01:13:33.740 brief message of thanks to beau for

01:13:38.360 his reading of sassoon's poem suicide

01:13:40.880 in the trenches i can think of nothing

01:13:43.260 more appropriate for remembrance day

01:13:45.900 and for veterans day than that poem

01:13:48.800 especially given that the department of

01:13:51.280 veterans affairs in the united states

01:13:52.940 estimates that as many as 22 veterans

01:13:55.240 per day commit suicide

01:13:56.680 yeah more needs to be done for u.s 0.69

01:14:01.120 veterans you can't you can't have a

01:14:02.900 system which is continuously at war 0.99

01:14:04.640 and then shits on its veterans 0.99

01:14:05.640 you would think anyway 1.00

01:14:07.800 let's go to the next one

01:14:09.660 hilarious seeing uh stellios's

01:14:11.420 reaction to you guys when he

01:14:13.180 realized most of you hadn't seen any

01:14:14.800 james bond movies although i couldn't

01:14:16.620 really remember them well myself

01:14:18.260 because i saw most of when i was a

01:14:20.020 kid although i caught back up on a

01:14:21.960 lot of them because they were all in

01:14:23.240 my break room back where i work it

01:14:25.440 was interesting that there was a

01:14:26.980 movie where he fights uh like a

01:14:28.960 black nationalist voodoo cult i 0.93

01:14:31.620 can't believe they managed to get 0.93

01:14:32.760 a way of making a movie like that in

01:14:34.500 like the 70s but you guys should do

01:14:36.760 like a retrospective on like the

01:14:38.080 most based james bond movies

01:14:39.700 live and let die i think so you 0.85

01:14:42.220 haven't seen any bond movies

01:14:43.740 you've seen them all we haven't

01:14:44.900 seen any i've who's not seen them

01:14:46.940 all i haven't what i mean like you

01:14:49.660 know they were probably on the tv when

01:14:51.540 i was a kid but like i didn't watch

01:14:52.880 them awesome i'm defending my stance

01:14:55.520 i'm literally amazed i'm amazed i'm

01:14:58.760 stunned especially the roger roger moore

01:15:01.580 was the best i'll take your word for 1.00

01:15:04.880 it pussy yeah yeah that's the name of 1.00

01:15:07.540 the film i know you know the film but 0.99

01:15:10.360 you haven't watched it i know the name

01:15:11.640 of the film no i haven't watched it but

01:15:13.160 like i'll take your your word for it

01:15:14.580 that he's the best i mean sean connery

01:15:15.820 was scottish so immediately disqualified

01:15:18.200 but um meanwhile

01:15:20.940 you

01:15:25.220 it

01:15:31.820 here

01:15:36.260 here

01:15:37.440 here

01:15:38.580 here

01:15:38.900 here

01:15:42.900 okay

01:15:43.540 here

01:15:44.700 here

01:15:46.620 here

01:15:47.200 here

01:15:47.680 here

01:15:49.420 this is how idiocracy looks like you know just a massive decline in aq event

01:15:57.640 you know what i'm actually kind of pro the maori um but i'll i'll cover you should do the hacker

01:16:06.980 dance no no i'm a colonist i'm not gonna do the hacker um but uh it's something it's something

01:16:13.100 to talk about another time and we don't have time to go into it now but maybe i'll do a video on

01:16:16.860 explaining that look actually uh sometimes you just have to put up with the cringe

01:16:21.920 and pay the gibbs uh mr flibble says sorry carl but as a slightly older gen x guy i can confirm

01:16:29.560 that ty's a stuffy boomer listen yeah yeah you know right listen yeah we think this because that

01:16:36.880 barrier was broken when we were young by tony blair and his blairism right but if you go back say 50

01:16:43.520 years before that so before the boomers they were all wearing their waistcoats they were all 0.94

01:16:48.360 wearing their ties because this was traditional english dress like watch any interview with

01:16:52.760 tolkien he's wearing exactly what you'd expect he's wearing the the waistcoat he's wearing the tie

01:16:57.420 he's got his shirt bottomed up properly he's just a proper old englishman that's that's what we should

01:17:02.140 dress like impossible to have color in the old suit style you had a white shirt you had your black

01:17:07.700 your black suit and your white shirt no tolkien's wearing like green but you can you can add color

01:17:14.340 i mean i mean i have a lot of shirts that have like a an inlay of a different color or you can

01:17:18.780 just wear a colored shirt but there's no reason not to wear the tie the tie is traditional it isn't

01:17:23.680 boomer it predates the boomers it is the traditional english dress and we should recap well if

01:17:28.180 you're going to go with traditional you don't want to be wearing a colored shirt and a colored tie

01:17:31.980 you want you want to go for a for a nice black suit white shirt the the form is the thing that

01:17:38.400 is traditional the expression of it changes to fit the circumstances i think you've become radical i i

01:17:44.280 think you have a you've got a basically a left-wing view of what tradition is no oh no you have to be

01:17:50.320 trapped in amber you have to dress no the form is what remains but the content changes and this is

01:17:56.720 what we're doing i want to so i'm not having it i'm not having it i'm not having it anyone

01:18:02.080 get your suit on i'll bring west west waistcoats absolutely uh henry back me up chat do not chat

01:18:10.960 i'm right on this and i'll i'll write a little treatise on it if i have to uh henry says the

01:18:16.120 women's boxing match is the only legitimately professional fight in the card something on 0.99

01:18:19.840 the line at the rest being all exhibition fights is that true yeah yeah probably yeah i mean

01:18:25.720 uh charles says women should only fight in jello the fact that we call it jelly um but also i just 0.96

01:18:35.120 don't like women fighting i don't like it i mean we had to watch this woman's bloody eating the whole 1.00

01:18:42.860 fight yeah pillow fights fight yeah it's a bit but uh alex says i must have watched a different fight

01:18:51.600 to everyone else tyson carried paul uh all fight long you could see himself he seemed reining himself

01:18:57.800 in he wanted the money he was willing to give the blonde haired poser this moment in the sun for it 0.70

01:19:02.180 the reaction of the crowd at the end said it all worse was paul's brother saying if he thought he'd

01:19:07.080 muller tyson he should have been laid out just like yeah i saw that he's like i'd destroy you bro it's like

01:19:11.660 i don't know man i i i i'm sure that tyson's just no man everything but i know i'm saying there's some

01:19:19.500 clips going around they should do that because tyson would destroy logan why wouldn't he destroy

01:19:25.800 the other one though well at least the other one is a bit of a boxer right okay a bit i am just i'm

01:19:33.820 just saying there was some convincing looking clips going around where i'm like yeah it does look like

01:19:38.100 tyson's kind of pulling his punches a bit yeah i mean maybe i mean it wouldn't shock me if we learned

01:19:44.400 that i don't i don't know i didn't even watch the fight really small parenthesis i think that the

01:19:49.480 most blatant example of blairism is not watching james bond's movies yeah um kind of thing well i

01:19:56.260 mean i have seen them but i didn't watch them right they were on tv my dad would be watching on tv

01:20:01.760 i've heard them but you didn't listen to them yeah but that is tradition carl

01:20:06.080 yeah but that was a kid they were boring um tony blair wouldn't watch it

01:20:10.960 i don't tony blair probably loves james bond no i don't think he does

01:20:15.140 i'm gonna look this up uh henry says tyson's post-fight comments were also interesting

01:20:21.540 by the sounds of it the stomach ulcer he suffered in may nearly killed him

01:20:25.020 so even to get into the ring at all is doing well whilst jake paul is a decent enough boxer

01:20:30.400 he only ever fought one active boxer and lost if he was any good he'd be going on the track

01:20:35.500 towards world championship fight but he hasn't exhibitions make a lot of money and don't require

01:20:39.500 sticking to anti-doping regulations wonder if either of those have any bearing on his decision

01:20:43.840 yes weird but this would have been a much better fight three years ago before tyson's stomach ulcer

01:20:50.440 and yeah yeah it would have been probably yeah it would have been better i mean i mean i don't like

01:20:57.260 i said i don't know i don't think anything about boxing uh theodore says loads of young people

01:21:01.880 wanted tyson to win too because loads of people really hate jake paul i like i said i don't know

01:21:06.660 anything about jake paul and i'm not really a hater of like the tiktok influencer genre like

01:21:12.260 it's just irrelevant to us yeah yeah it's yeah yeah oh young people are pratting around on the internet

01:21:16.480 for views well yeah that's what they'll do when you invent the internet right yeah that's literally

01:21:21.120 what they'll do so i'm not even angry about it didn't jake paul endorse trump as well

01:21:27.560 seems like the short sort of guy that would but i don't know i think he did um so like i said i

01:21:34.720 haven't got any particular animus i just saw everyone being like yeah i love mike tyson i'm like

01:21:38.180 okay and i feel there's something more going on because there's something i what what the way they

01:21:44.940 look to me and again i'm not somebody who watched the fight i was just like seeing a lot of commentary

01:21:48.260 on the internet but the way it looked to me was people viewing mike tyson as sort of the relic of

01:21:54.020 a previous era that was uncorrupted by the internet whereas obviously jake paul and the pauls are

01:22:00.680 products of the internet so if tyson had won it'd be like no we're still you know we're still real

01:22:10.280 people rather than sort of fake people the internet creates that's the sort of essence i was getting

01:22:15.680 from like young people basically sports legit yeah i mean i like i don't know don't know anything

01:22:19.980 about it it's just weird um lord narevar says i just hate that i saw a zoomer with a toothbrush

01:22:25.260 hairdo be a literal sporting legend i don't even care about boxing but it feels bad man you see what

01:22:30.420 i mean like this like the zoomers haven't earned anything and that's how people feel about them it's 1.00

01:22:36.200 like we you got rich from pratting around on the internet again i'm not no shade but like come on i

01:22:40.960 don't respect it um whereas tyson got rich by literally being a mental yeah animal yeah

01:22:49.800 george says this is nothing new for farage betrayal of his base is his mo at this point 0.98

01:22:54.920 trump had the balls to call out wokeism and the migrant invasion nigel will only do it when it's 1.00

01:22:58.860 politically safe yeah and that's the main problem with nigel isn't it he's not actually a leader he's 1.00

01:23:02.960 actually following yeah all of these things um so it's a real problem dan says i'm personally

01:23:08.880 taking a charitable interpretation of nigel farage because he's ultimately the uk's best bet 1.00

01:23:12.140 a peaceful change now that he's an mp perhaps he is silenced now more than ever because of the

01:23:16.620 consequences of his speech could be massive especially if he would be in contempt of court

01:23:20.760 uh is perhaps best that a man with such presence in politics thinks before speaking well the problem

01:23:25.800 is this wasn't about the uh the southport stabbing this was about a separate issue that needed to be

01:23:33.240 addressed and and actually if yes we are living in a i mean there's a story going around at the

01:23:39.500 moment that we can't really get into because we might actually be arrested because that's the nature

01:23:43.880 of the country we live in today but if anyone is going to take a stand it should be nigel farage 1.00

01:23:47.860 he's a member of parliament for them to put him in prison for something that he said would be

01:23:53.000 just explosive elite obliteration of the idea that again democracy but again to repeat this was

01:23:59.700 another part of the interview that we didn't speak about yeah but the the issue is that nigel 1.00

01:24:05.600 isn't being a thought leader on these things he should be actively capturing the news cycle by

01:24:11.240 saying things that are outside of the overton window like trump did so the the media are like

01:24:15.720 come on god can you believe he said this so everyone knows that nigel farage said look we're 0.95

01:24:19.780 going to deport all the illegals but oh that's all people will say for 20 years yeah but that's what 0.96

01:24:23.300 will get you elected as prime minister i mean compare elon musk during covid when he said

01:24:28.080 i'm going back to the factory and i'm going to start working the production line my guys are

01:24:32.720 coming with me and if you're going to arrest anyone arrest me but i'm going to be there doing

01:24:36.740 this farage should be like that with the speech restrictions in this country he said i'm going

01:24:40.700 to talk about this stuff and if you arrest anyone you arrest me and dare them to do it that is what

01:24:45.080 even if he wants to be responsible and say well be responsible he wants to appear responsible and say

01:24:50.800 look i'm going to wait till the court case come out and sorted before i make my position because i don't

01:24:55.260 prejudice the court or something okay fair enough but why not come out and be a radical on making

01:25:02.140 sure that like foreigners don't subsume britain in 50 by 2050 yeah why why not take a hardline stance on 1.00

01:25:09.840 that like that's a perfectly reasonable thing about oh that's all people talk about yeah to get you

01:25:13.560 in charge like come on nige but a lot of people uh are pointing out that um nige just isn't the guy i

01:25:21.700 mean warlord wutu tai says nigel has failed to embrace the rhetorical style of trump and the

01:25:26.040 rising european right he's playing yesterday's game and it will not work i agree i think that's

01:25:30.940 totally true i think that's why reform have yet to get past like 20 of the polls like i mean the

01:25:35.860 conservatives are creeping back up it's like what are you doing nige but you should be curb stomping 1.00

01:25:42.100 them into the fonts in like three generation opportunity and he's watching it slip through

01:25:47.540 his fingers yeah i know this will never come again i don't know what we're gonna do um so if he says

01:25:53.340 so he basically just admitted yeah the great replacement is real but we shouldn't fight against

01:25:57.400 it or even bring it up well or else we'll lose i don't know what winning looks like if that's what

01:26:02.540 his version of winning is um i mean step up soon or i'm gonna have to move to bloody florida or

01:26:07.860 something yeah i really don't want to i'm not i'm not going i'm not going um derrick says i've

01:26:14.740 always hated social engineering especially through government means this is clockwork orange executed

01:26:19.500 through soft and pansy means yeah basically and it's really really insufferable um arizona desert

01:26:26.540 rat says does whale did whales actually ever colonize anywhere well yeah because they were part of the

01:26:31.500 british empire and so yes obviously they did um but uh that doesn't mean that they should be

01:26:39.080 dispossessed of their country now because i thought we agreed that imperialism was bad and if we don't

01:26:44.160 agree that imperialism is bad why are we allowing them to be the only ones doing it stewart says keep

01:26:50.600 talking about they they keep talking about decolonizing to indigenous people they're clearly 0.93

01:26:54.580 talking about colonization we need to resist this and hinder all government movements they they they will

01:27:00.280 have to brigade have a brigade of staff and any activity get them to waste their budgets and crash

01:27:04.820 their government economy well i mean wales is probably moments away from bankruptcy as it is

01:27:09.020 but um no they they are talking about colonizing an indigenous people when they talk about doing this

01:27:15.400 to wales the welsh are an indigenous people um to wales maria says the only outcome of the communist

01:27:21.920 social engineering is death and starvation well it could be a perpetual reign of the submission of

01:27:27.980 the native people of wales which is what they're aiming for and lord narevar says woke is now the

01:27:34.900 default position in the general public's perception i work at a historical building in birmingham and

01:27:39.700 one of our volunteers actually said to me that when she compared a school photo from 1920 to the one

01:27:44.320 today she was thrilled by how few white faces there were in the modern one compared to the old one 1.00

01:27:48.900 this is a white 70 something tour guide not the kind of person one would expect to hold such a

01:27:54.120 position and yet here we are well i don't know if it's the default of the public but there are

01:27:58.820 definitely uh lots of the agents of wokeism operating at high levels throughout our country

01:28:05.300 people who read the guardian anyway yeah people who read the guardian um charlie says regarding 1.00

01:28:10.800 social engineering so if i get this right the government is a bunch of 95 iq idiots who couldn't 0.98

01:28:15.820 even put their shoes on dian abbott yet at the same time a genius machiavellians are able to 1.00

01:28:20.340 control us for our own nefarious reasons no the mps are 95 iq idiots uh but the civil servants 1.00

01:28:29.040 aren't and they're the ones they're the ones with doctorates who run the institute run the 0.99

01:28:34.280 quangos that are in the background the institutes for government and things like that so they're the

01:28:39.460 real government of the country right this shadow of bureaucracy that stays out of the limelight and

01:28:45.100 allows the politicians to take the flack they're the ones really in charge of the state

01:28:48.900 and the direction of travel of the state and that's what they will literally just tell us

01:28:54.060 frankly um but anyway on that note we have run out of time so thank you very much for joining us

01:28:58.720 folks uh hope you have a good day sorry to be the bearer of bad news again i'll try and think of

01:29:04.660 some good news to cover next time but we'll be back tomorrow and uh hope you have a great evening

01:29:10.040 may i'll be back tomorrow and uh hope you've got it thank you so much for you

01:29:22.880 us

01:29:26.200 okay

01:29:32.560 see you

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - November 18, 2024

Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1044

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