Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1048
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Summary
Harrry and Stelios talk about how everybody hates Keir Starmer, the anniversary of the death of J.F.K and the Maori Maori in New zealand were making an absolute awful racket at their parliament and why it is that the public hate him even more.
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hello and welcome to the podcast of the lotus eaters episode 1048 on the 22nd of november
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2024 i'm your host harry joined today by stelios hello everyone and returning special guest
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bo all right yeah how you doing everyone we all doing all right it's friday looking forward to
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the chat is asking bo whether you slept last night but i'm gonna say i didn't so yeah that's nice to
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know i look completely haggard and tired yeah i am really tired yeah i did get up ridiculously early
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this morning like half five so i'm a bit knackered actually but i guess it shows i have my beard needs
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a trim it's getting a bit wild man i think it's i think the look suits you personally you look a
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little bit like varg vikerns he's the um norwegian black metal guy who murdered one of his band members
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i've never heard of the chap you should look into he's very very interesting and i look like
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or not uh pardon and i look like you look a bit like him right now chat will confirm well there
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are some very great cheeky photos of him from his trial where he's flashing a cheeky grin at the
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cameras kind of winking and nodding in their direction anyway we're supposed to be talking
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about politics and the news and things and on that i'm going to be talking about how everybody
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hates keir starmer i know this is i'm kind of double dipping here this week but you can wait for two
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days and keir starmer will have done something else to make the public hate him even more so
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he's kind of a a a an infinite resource in that way uh we're also going to be talking about the
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it's the anniversary of the death of jfk murder well the murder of jfk well obviously i mean we all
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know that and uh then don't try to don't try to minimize it don't try and minimize with a head
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with a mainstream media headline like he just died yeah by a man a bullet happened to pass through his
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head by a man a bullet killed him yeah yeah listen there's been many cases of people's
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head spontaneously combusting through bullets true we've all got one in there it's just whether
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it's going to pop out or not our time is coming and then we're also going to be talking about why
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it is that the maori in new zealand were making an absolute awful racket at their parliament and harry
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will do the hacker dance i will hello my baby hello my honey hello my ragtime gal that is
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basically what they were doing anyway um also check out the daily channel on youtube that started the
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other day we've already been getting some great subscribe um subscribing numbers on it and some
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great viewing numbers on the videos that have been posted there so thank you very much everybody
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who's supporting that so far if you haven't subscribed to it yet please do and with that
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shall we get into the news of course all right then so everybody hates keir starmer i've said
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this a number of times at this point if you watched the podcast the other day and uh this one in
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particular jack am i in actual control of anything here okay it appears that i am okay if you watched
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this podcast the other day and i don't think the video has gone out on youtube yet so if you're
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watching this on youtube when this comes out you'll need to wait another day or so or you can go to the
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website to watch it i talk us through the evil history of keir starmer because really if you
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start to look into the backstory the case history of this man i don't think he's ever done anything
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good in his life personally that's an opinion of mine but it really is remarkable how the times
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comes out with a three-part series looking at the backstory of keir starmer his case history
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and most of his life has been spent making sure that murderers don't get the death penalty
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making sure that terrorists don't have to be deported making sure that they don't have to
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abide by control orders so they can walk about the streets and your communities willy-nilly
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he really is a massive rabbit hole it's not i mean it's pretty simple all told it's not really a
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rabbit hole just everything this man has done in his career as a human rights lawyer has been
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for the worse it has been for the betterment of the criminal classes and the impoverishment
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of innocent law-abiding people and the victims of the criminal classes but this kind of reflects
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because now that he's in his political career his numbers are appalling this is just on yougov which
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you would imagine to be somewhat slanted in his favour but even then he's only got 26% popularity
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rating far higher than i would expect but he's disliked by more than half of the country if these
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figures are anything to go by probably a lot more than that i've heard some people say
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his approval ratings are something like minus 40% although i've not seen sources on those numbers
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everybody hates this man and every single day he does something more to prove why you should hate
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him again i covered this two days ago at the time of this video being recorded right now and already
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there has been more come out to make people hate him and the first thing is that um yeah he just
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announced oh sorry that's the wrong link but i'll go back to that in a moment he announced that uh
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he's doing a partnership with blackrock completely casual completely casual we're going to destroy
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the farmers going to tax them into oblivion with the inheritance tax and uh people like james o'brien
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have been asking the question well who are they going to sell them to who are you going to sell to
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and the uh james o'brien said no i don't know i don't know well now you've got your answer james
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blackrock blackrock they're just going to buy up massive tracts of lands as they asset strip the
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farmers and then use them for whatever it is that blackrock will be doing but it certainly will not
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be for the betterment of the native british of this country amusingly morgoth had a great little post
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here james o'brien seeing that he has to shill for blackrock tomorrow on lbc radio really i'm gonna have
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to go there but he won't have any problem with it because james is a good little soldier some of the
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other stuff that's been coming out this was under the tory government but you can be guaranteed that
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it will continue to be inefficient under the labor government that we've got right now as well which
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was a few months ago the home office released an independent report on the asylum system you can find
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this on the wet on the government website i did a little video on this on the other channel that
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we've got now lotus ceases daily it's only 10 minutes so i'd recommend you go there for a more
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in-depth breakdown but basically what the report found is exactly what you would expect which is that
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the entire system is broken it's inefficient it costs us shed loads of money the bibi stock home
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barge along with the other sites they wanted to move the migrants to from the hotels was supposed
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to be a cost saving measure correct well finding the locations cleaning them up making them inhabitable
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cost 250 million pounds and then after they'd done an analysis on how much it would cost to keep them
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there it turned out that in fact what was actually going to happen is it would cost
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more to house them there than they already were in the hotels bibi stockholm for instance within four
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days of them arriving there had an outbreak of legionnaire's disease which meant that they all
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had to get moved back into the hotels anyway it is pathetic people do not know what language that
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these people are speaking the signage around the place means that they can't read it so they just
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wander back and forth the security basically let them go anywhere that they want and the actual
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bureaucrats in the home office don't keep adequate documentation so a lot of these people in the
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asylum system who were supposed to be keeping track of we have no idea where they are and nobody is
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taking any accountability or responsibility for it if you want more in depth go check out that video
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how much does it cost for either a commercial plane ticket back to their country of origin
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or even like a herc c-130 hercules military thing just pack that full of them fly it back to
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their country of origin drop them off well thankfully that's got to be less than in kirstam
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building all these bibi stockton things well thankfully in kirstam his previous career as a human
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rights lawyer uh he literally by the way wrote the textbook on how lawyers could adhere to the human
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rights act that uh that james sorry tony blair uh passed in 1998 um he made sure that we couldn't
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do that sort of thing his express goal was to make sure that we didn't deport these people even if they
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were say terrorist suspects the the basic human right for him was to be a to act like a barbarian and get
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away with it exactly that human rights don't extend to us normal law-abiding people doesn't extend to
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the victims of crimes it only extends to the perpetrators of crimes and let me just add to
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this case we had from this week there was a congolese rapist who wasn't deported back to congo
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because it was said that this would violate the human right to have a family life and the well-being
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of his family even though his sex crimes were against members of his own family isn't that right
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yeah doesn't need to add up does it so it really means nothing yeah there's always the argument as
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well that if they get deported back to their countries because of the severity of the crimes
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that they've committed here and oftentimes in their country of origin as well that they will face the
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death penalty so we have to house them anyway because we wouldn't want them being killed that's
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another keir starmer special as i mentioned he was helping he was one of the men who helped to get
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the death penalty in jamaica abolished we should just simply do away with that if it's the case
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that you did a a crime in england say you're a a nigerian or a bangladeshi or let's say saudi arabia
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let's say saudi arabia you're a saudi citizen you come to britain you do a terrible crime which would
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get the death penalty torture and or death penalty in saudi we lock you up for it here we should send
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you straight back so you can just face punishment there but afterwards after you've done your time
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here then we deport you i'm not saying any of this actually happens but then we do that we say oh we
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can't deport you or their defenders say we can't deport you because you'll get torched and or executed
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in saudi arabia our position should be that's on you don't do the crime if you can't handle it that's
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not our problem you're being deported to your country of origin so you should have thought about
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that before you did a despicable crime on our island it's it's like people from the left
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constantly try to find groups of people who are going to perform any kind of monstrous acts and
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they're not going to face consequences but again human rights lawyers like keir starmer in particular
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have been instrumental in ensuring these people do not get the just punishments that they deserve
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which helps to actually perpetuate criminal behavior if there is no punishment for criminal behavior
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or very light punishment then they are going to incentivize it because the only way to prevent a
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violent criminal is the threat of violence against him in return for the violence he commits so as far
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as i'm concerned keir starmer is completely complicit in all of the crimes that have occurred because of
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his own actions after the fact and such should be held criminally liable to them but that's my
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personal opinion either way after the black rock fiasco of this dominic cummings waded in just
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pointing out that number 10 comms must have already given up because the entire it's it's hopeless trying
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to defend this man or try and make anything that he does seem palatable to the british public because
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he's asset stripping the farmers and then immediately having meetings with black rock where you go well i
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guess we know where all those farmers assets are going to go once they've got the inheritance tax bill
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so the comms have gone there's no way that we can spin this no way at all that we can spin this put it out
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there he wants it out there because he's an unfeeling emotionless android he doesn't understand or care about
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his public perception throw it out there we'll collect our paychecks just like everybody else in the
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bureaucracy of the civil service and even leftists clive lewis the labor mp clive lewis have had to say in
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response to this the far right have a bit of a point here for those attempting to make sense of
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trump's victory in the rise of the far right against your across europe look no further than the pm
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statement below whether you like it or not they have a set of common narratives you can all probably
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recite them something like the reason you're in an overpriced damp rental your grand lives in squalor
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your job is low paid and insecure and your public services are crumbling is because elites declared
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war on workers favored immigrants and made your life more expensive with their green crap as far as
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i can tell that narrative no lies found at all so it's good that he knows the narrative but he knows
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that because he's a labor mp he kind of has to say the opposite to it he has to he has to say well
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that's not the entire story but then the sitting prime minister posts this and he's like god damn it
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oh god damn it we're literally punishing the native farmers and giving their assets to a foreign
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corporation oh god how am i even surprising anymore how am i going to defend this one and he basically
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says i can't defend it yeah black rocks hoovering up this stuff they're price gouging they're
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international corporations that do punish uh nations across the world and he says we need to give a
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credible explanation for how we got here other than it was tory chaos admitting we've got no narrative
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we've got no spin on this they're right but i have to disagree anyway in any way
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no i just wanted to say that it surprises no one right now i mean the left for
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is it more than more than a decade now they are again incredibly against the middle class
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they have always been against the middle class but now they're very much pro multinational corporations
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you love to see labor infighting i mean if anyone who doesn't know this clive lewis is one of
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one of the biggest douchebags in parliament the very the only reason he's attacking i love the
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poetry you come out with douchebag um he he's attacking a starmer from an even more hard left
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position i imagine the only the reason why he's annoyed is because he he's not really in the inner
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circle he's not really within starmer's inner circle and if anything starmer isn't punishing white
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people hard enough or something like that that's the sort of person clive lewis is there's probably
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all of that going on but there is also just the admission here of it's nice to see anyway yeah
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there's the admission of can you stop proving them right yeah could you can you just do anything to
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stop proving them right every single time kirstama says no so there you go i'm just here for labor
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backbenchers getting out of their pram about the government i'm here for that you're always here for
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that well uh there's another part of this story which um confirms everything that we've been
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talking about which is that the inheritance tax i just mentioned will uh has been projected to raise
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annually 520 million pounds so if you don't know uh how much that would add up to that's about
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a single day of nhs spending so that's not a fantastic amount in the scheme of things in terms of
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scales of what we're talking about in terms of rate rate of return so you destroy british farming
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for all time potentially if they pave over all of our glorious fields and make it unusable in the
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future okay uh so you just you do that what do you get in return one day one day of nhs spending a
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service that does not even work well it's worse than that folks because um it turns out we're handing
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more than 500 million pounds in aid to foreign farmers this was a wonderful admission here and i
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picked out a few bits of information from this article to show you how useless and how contemptible
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our leaders are so more than 536 million pounds is being spent overseas on 10 programs including grants
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to promote low carbon low carbon agriculture practices in brazil so more than what we're getting
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in return for destroying british farming to promote green policies in brazil for their farmers
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another scheme worth more than 16 million pounds aims to help new farmers in rwanda produce tea for
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the first time why i shrug my shoulders because nobody knows nobody knows other than pure outgroup
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preference saying we hate the british we hate what they stand for we hate the settled ways of their
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farmers and their peoples and we want to prefer outgroups to the british people there is no
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explanation for why they would do that so i can only conclude they want to destroy us i have another
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um interpretation which is i mean really close to yours i think that essentially they are doing this
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but they're not doing this for just for free they're doing this in exchange for more people because
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in their minds that's what they need we need to yes we are gonna send you money in rwanda for
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tea fields or whatever and you're gonna send us people it's the classic rory stewart thing rory
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stewart was really hardline on this is that we entered into some sort of treaty some sort of
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international supranational agreement something or other along the line which locks us into a certain
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percentage of our gdp i can't remember if it's half a percent one percent two and a half percent i can't
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remember what it is but a certain number just like the the defense budget or something certain
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percentage of gdp has to we've promised we should give it away as a foreign aid and then so okay so
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you've done that crazy and arbitrary as that is so then we say i can't remember i really can't remember
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the number but that's one percent um so that's a certain number for hundreds of millions whatever
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it is so just find things just find things to spend it on it's locked into the budget oh hello
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written down it's been accounted for oh 16 million for rwandan tea yeah why not do it they need
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tea in rwanda well they can get it elsewhere no they're going to grow it there because we've got
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some money we desperately need to burn there you go and there's there's some other things uh foreign
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commonwealth and development office launched a new fund to send 24 million pounds of british taxpayer
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money to kenya and other countries to help build profitable businesses that contribute to their food
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security not our food security nothing nothing for our food security to kenya's food security so that
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we can continue to fund an endless infinite and unsustainable population explosion in africa so
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that we can have endless sub-saharans to come and ride small scooters delivering food that is that the
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end goal here oh of course sorry sorry serve press as well and another program launched in 2023 by the
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foreign commonwealth and development office again a lot of this was done under the tories as well so
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we've got to continue to blame the tories as well as labor uh for for all of this uh created a new
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program worth 105 million pounds to develop more resilient farming systems in unspecified developing
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countries just throw it out into the third world and see what happens why not don't worry about
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particularly where that money really ends up as well you know that's why i sort of largely stopped giving
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into charities quite a while ago because when you realize that say you want to give money to
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go into oxfam out of the goodness of your heart come spend a few quid in oxfam or something
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it's like wait a minute where does that money go so what exactly are they doing with it is it just
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paying the the wages of the executives of that company or does it end up in the pockets of the
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wrong people abroad somewhere does it actually buy a whole bags of rice that the warlords then sees
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or you know what's actually happening with my money it's like you never know you never find out
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i think i i totally agree with you and i want to say that we are talking about socialists who are
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talking about redistributing wealth they know that domestically they cannot do it because the working
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classes have turned their backs on them so they're thinking globally that's why they're globalists
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so they're thinking of taking from the rich to give to the poor understood in global terms so they
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say okay who are the world's rich well the working class of england for instance most probably will
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meet that threshold for for them so let's tax them and let's just send them to any kind of initiative
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around the world so we virtue signal to each other how how lovely globalists we are
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that doesn't doesn't this make sense it's madness yeah the amount of money the amount of money
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oh yeah 100 million pounds just that last thing you mentioned that's just for random random third
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world countries which is again one-fifth of what we're expecting to annually get from destroying
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british farming is that a great return not if you ask me so that's the domestic front what else has
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starmer been up to recently well he met with g recently and g looks um less than thrilled to to
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meet him he's just oh god kia starmer this twat let's get this over with and then if you go down
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there's another video here and uh what what what is it that kia starmer starts doing when he's
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speaking to xi jinping let's let's listen in please that's my foreign secretary we can't hear the audio i
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hope you can but you can see the subtitles on there and discussed respective concerns here we go
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including human rights and parliamentary sanctions taiwan south china sea and our shared interest in
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hong kong and we are concerned by reports of jimmy li's deterioration health in prison
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you raised the chinese embassy building in london when we spoke on the telephone
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um and we have since taken action by calling in uh that application uh now we have to follow the
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legal process and timeline so this is boring human rights managerial speech the most possibly despite
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how evil he is the most boring and uncharismatic human being to ever live and and what what is he's
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talking about that he's talking about the human rights of a prisoner detained by the chinese
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government whereas on our side of the pond he's actively detaining political prisoners
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on behalf of his government well i mean i i haven't watched this but i would guess that most
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such diplomatic to be fair most such diplomatic meetings are going to be incredibly boring oh i know
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most of these statements are just expressions of resolution so i mean but he just starts lecturing
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here's here's all of your human rights violations mr chinese man uh and expecting this is going to be
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good diplomacy tyranny by tedium could you imagine being stuck in a meeting with him could you imagine
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being xi sat opposite him probably thinking oh god oh bring sunak back at least it was funny how short
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he was funny if that um xi winnie the pooh fella said to starmo what about all those uh about all
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those twitter users you've banged up what about those sir keir i guess he doesn't no he wouldn't
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because he's like oh finally you're doing what we do yeah good job good job keir he finally got the
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memo we're on the same page now yeah and elsewhere on the foreign pot on the uh foreign stage what else
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are we doing well we're allowing uk supplied storm shadow missiles to be fired onto russian territory
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this comes immediately after biden over the weekend decided to make it a-okay for ukraine to
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fire u.s missiles into uh russian territory so that's fantastic reports of the strikes came after
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ukraine was given permission from washington to fire u.s supplied missiles ministers are likely to
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exercise caution in their response to the reports due to concerns over russia's reaction as well as to
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ensure the move is not seen as being led by the uk well it's our missiles so i don't know how you're
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going to try and say that we had nothing to do with it uk supplied missiles that probably uk
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specialists have to be there to inspect and make sure work and then help use we had nothing to do
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with it don't fire back all we did is design and build it and sell it to you what that doesn't
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and then permit you to use it yeah and then egged you on to fire it yeah speaking at the g20 on tuesday
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prime minister keir starmer said that the uk would ensure ukraine has what is needed for as long as is
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needed so infinite money to ukraine destroy british agriculture lock up the british people
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uh destroy everything british but but ukraine nationalism must survive and i know that there
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are lots of arguments about uh russian expansionism if they are to decisively win a victory against
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ukraine at the end of the day right now i'm just happy if the conflict can end without nuclear war
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without a nuclear exchange so if this does end up pushing russia to the table fine but i don't think
00:24:49.020
it will because what did russia immediately do well they immediately started using new intermediate
00:24:54.060
range ballistic missiles on ukraine in uh let me see it was uh dnipro i think i don't know if i
00:25:00.200
pronounced that right people were originally of concern that these were icbms but putin made a
00:25:05.300
public statement saying that there was a new kind of missile not specifically icbms because that
00:25:11.800
would have been the first time they've been used in the conflict he also said in this televised
00:25:15.740
address we have the right to use our weapons against military facilities of those countries
00:25:20.140
which allow their weapons to be used on our facilities basically saying us uk you're now
00:25:25.280
active participants whether i'll do anything or these will just be more impotent red lines that
00:25:31.100
we cross and he says oh i'm gonna wax his finger and says i'll do something i don't know because
00:25:36.260
it's not really led to reprisals before every time we've crossed a red line but at the same time
00:25:40.900
you don't want to keep poking the bear hold me accountable to it but my state my hunch is that
00:25:47.940
there will not be a nuclear holocaust that's what i was predicting on wednesday just tell me
00:25:53.660
this take aged badly if you can if you can if we're not all dead by then but honestly no i just
00:26:00.080
personally i think that just now we have a rhetorical escalation there may be also escalation of the war
00:26:05.700
but i i think ultimately again these are just expressions of resolution you can just imagine
00:26:11.920
someone in sort of an irradiated wasteland doing a hot spot this aged poorly we tried to tell you
00:26:21.140
stelios exactly i get all the glory well if you don't want to end up in a radio irradiated well
00:26:28.460
apparently these are the nuclear targets that russia has for uh britain uh so just make sure
00:26:35.040
you're not too close to any of these and while yes the infrastructure of the country would collapse
00:26:40.060
and you'd have a hard time getting hold of food you won't immediately die i think we're going to be
00:26:44.300
safe well swindon that number seven that number seven's awful close crystal seven um or is that the
00:26:54.300
order in which they go as well so liverpool's higher on the target apparently i don't know
00:26:59.760
why they've ordered them in this way because you would imagine london wouldn't be the 12th target
00:27:05.000
you'd imagine it'd be number one right but uh maybe it's time to start looking at highland property
00:27:09.720
yeah maybe uh but yeah uh kia starmer has made a statement on this basically saying the exact same
00:27:16.280
thing he said at g20 which is we will keep going no matter what so that's good to know get a second
00:27:21.260
home in inverness that'd be all right wouldn't it you'll be wouldn't be able to understand the
00:27:26.460
thing the locals are saying but i slightly more slowly of radiation radiation poisoning rather than
00:27:31.220
being vaporized immediately potentially again i fall more on stellios uh stellios's side here
00:27:38.360
there's going to be rhetorical escalation essentially i'm expecting until trump gets in
00:27:43.760
and then there will be more ability to get people to the table to talk i wonder how quickly the
00:27:50.720
line of as long as it takes wonder how quickly that will be put away guess we'll find out won't
00:27:57.840
we but anyway that's just a little bit of the new information of why we all hate here starmer
00:28:02.380
there will certainly be more by this time next week probably dozens of stories maybe he'll have
00:28:07.140
punched a baby in the face we'll find out but that's what we have for now
00:28:11.200
all right do you want to read your um yeah i'll go through the rumble rants we've got so far
00:28:18.800
uh b chain 315 says hello from new england nice to see beau and uh on open bar last night keep up
00:28:25.840
the great work cheers oh you're on open bar i was on open bar the drinker the critical drinkers
00:28:30.400
open bar last night how was that yeah good yeah yeah they're all good people more of course on
00:28:35.740
there as well so um recommend people check that out yeah what were you talking about uh we did a bit
00:28:41.680
gladiator 2 talked to you watched it or is it out yeah it's out but i haven't seen it yet but i was
00:28:47.080
shows how much impact it's made i had no idea i was drafted in to talk about sort of a little bit
00:28:51.800
anyway the real history of the early third century and caracalla and stuff interesting yeah talked a bit
00:28:59.000
about wicked that new wicked thing uh stuff like that stuff like that gag inducing wesley 1924 stop
00:29:07.600
shipping food to london let them eat ze bugs and lab meat i think starmer doesn't eat food i wouldn't
00:29:13.520
be surprised if he just exists on ration packs like astronaut food yeah he has dried raisins
00:29:20.320
a miller 112 turns out starmer is also giving around 500 million a year to foreign farmers yes
00:29:26.840
recovered that and glee 777 putin wait before you fire that missile do bear in mind that david
00:29:32.800
lammy is a black man you wouldn't want to be racist now would you putin or putler as you're actually
00:29:39.460
known vladimir pooty poot what what was that what did george w bush called putin pooty poot
00:29:50.060
vladimir pooty right i'm gonna have to do a live fact check on that one george w bush
00:29:57.720
as if i'd see an obscure thing to make up bush's love of puti poot putin the guardian 2002
00:30:09.520
he gave the president of russia a nickname puti poot
00:30:15.320
right let's talk about the time he hailed blair by going yo blair that one as well
00:30:22.200
i did see you've forgotten all this stuff he's too young i did see his classic stuff i did see his
00:30:27.660
drive that time that was a good drive the chat says bo wouldn't lie to you harry i know i know but i
00:30:33.340
i was hoping he was mistaken not lying yeah a lie has the element of intention behind it exactly i know
00:30:42.200
bo would never lie intentionally to me okay so today the 22nd of november is should be a day of
00:30:50.560
mourning and remembrance really for the united states because 61 years ago today
00:31:07.040
talk about it a bit seeing as it's an anniversary
00:31:10.160
he would be 107 today right yeah 107 108 yeah he'd be dead anyway his health wasn't good i mean you've
00:31:17.860
seen jimmy carter maybe not oh right no i don't think jfk was going to make old bones he had some
00:31:23.240
terrible health issues yeah very very terrible health issues he was hocked up on all sorts of
00:31:28.160
drugs all the time some people said because it was a different world back then right and some people
00:31:32.940
said that nowadays you probably wouldn't get away with it people would know that you're on tons of
00:31:37.520
medication what like like with joe biden good point it'd be interesting to know exactly who's on
00:31:45.280
more medication out of joe biden and jfk or jimmy carter or jimmy carter right
00:31:50.360
how much are they pumping into both of those men to keep them alive
00:31:54.940
his health was one of the main issues that the administration of his wanted to keep hidden wasn't
00:32:00.460
it okay yeah wasn't that the the camelot image they wanted to create and that was a recurring thing
00:32:06.460
for democrats at the time after fdr wasn't it yeah yeah part of his part of his persona was being
00:32:12.600
young and vibrant and healthy and lively and it was not the case he was sort of almost crippled
00:32:19.520
quite often he'd walk around with sticks i had no idea about any of this actually yeah
00:32:24.180
so sometimes he couldn't put it where put his socks i've read yeah yeah was he was injured in
00:32:30.220
the war and he had health issues anyway and yeah i mean he's an actual war hero man
00:32:35.360
anyway that's another for another story i'm fascinated by the kennedy murder
00:32:41.620
um i wrote an article quite a while ago now when is this i don't know why you're emphasizing the
00:32:48.140
murder like people don't know that he got shot in the head because they often call it the the key
00:32:52.640
the jfk killing or the jfk assassination i feel like it should be reminded people should be remembered
00:32:57.520
it was a murder right that's fair um or the mystery the jfk mystery well that's one of my
00:33:05.440
angles is i don't think it is particularly a mystery now i'm going to talk all about this and
00:33:09.120
the first thing i want to say is it's one of those issues i'm sure we'll get plenty of comments
00:33:12.620
this is one of those issues where most people have got an opinion and quite often it's a strong
00:33:17.320
opinion so i am of the mind that oswald didn't act alone i think there was by definition
00:33:23.120
more than one person involved so therefore a conspiracy on some level now it's funny the the
00:33:29.060
range of um reaction you get to this because it's a lot of some people a lot of people say
00:33:35.060
of course like you're stating the obvious like of course it's more than one person and oswald
00:33:41.140
didn't act alone and anyone that looks at it for more than two seconds knows that like stop being
00:33:46.240
stop being a dummy about it and then you get other people that are absolutely adamant that it was
00:33:51.880
oswald alone and the the official narrative the warren commission says is just true essentially
00:33:58.480
i mean even the bbc not that long ago a few years back put out a documentary uh debunking
00:34:05.140
all the conspiracy theorists saying that was it was lee oswald um so if you're one of those people
00:34:13.600
um that insists that it was still oswald although how oswald could have really changed the the route of
00:34:19.660
the motorcade i don't know as well as a million other things but nonetheless i will be going down
00:34:24.140
the rabbit hole of it wasn't lee harvey oswald acting alone out of pure resentment towards jack
00:34:30.220
kennedy okay so i wrote this article dd plaza's telltale heart a reference to um ed granum pose
00:34:37.720
telltale heart that keeps beating even after the death and haunts haunts people i think america i think
00:34:43.140
the world is still haunted by the jfk murder in all sorts of ways because we you sort of know deep
00:34:49.580
down in your heart that there was something amiss that day in daily plaza what it says first and
00:34:56.080
foremost what it says is we whoever was behind it we can and will kill the sitting president of the
00:35:02.540
united states in public if if needs be so you're not safe if we'll do that to john kennedy
00:35:07.720
we'll do it we'll do it to everyone right nobody's safe that is that's one of the things it says
00:35:16.580
right so okay i wrote an article about that and um where's the next link who's doing my link uh if
00:35:23.800
you would press that okay so i've talked about it before and in various bits of content one time i
00:35:30.400
spoke to dan carlin thank you spoke to dan carlin one time there's a clip there from my own channel
00:35:35.500
history bro check out history bro uh we do the next link yep but also we made that article i wrote
00:35:42.700
um one of our fans kindly made a video out of it um the video editing on this is far beyond my
00:35:50.040
oh i did not mean to do that just play that movie play this why the how and the who is just
00:35:57.420
scenery for the public oswald ruby cuba a mafia keeps them guessing like some kind of parlor game
00:36:05.540
prevents them from asking the most important question why why was kennedy killed who benefited
00:36:11.360
who has the power to cover it up okay the answer is he had simply gathered too many enemies you can
00:36:19.220
pause that organized okay so that was a great donald sutherland in oliver stone's jfk
00:36:25.960
um and i say in the article that's my favorite part of that film because it really cuts to the quick
00:36:32.420
it really gets to the nub of things there's one thing to endlessly talk about how many shooters there
00:36:36.960
were on dd plaza endlessly talk about you know whether they were corsican shooters whether they were
00:36:43.140
mafia whether they were the cuba connection um you know the exact individuals in the secret service or
00:36:50.700
in jfk's own government or in the cia but the real question is why why did somebody or some people feel
00:36:58.900
the need for jack kennedy to needs to be dead um so that is that's what the bulk of that article and
00:37:05.220
that video is about is talking about that and i don't want to talk about that too much in this video
00:37:09.260
because you can go and watch that and um what's your hypothesis well it's the it's well you're in
00:37:15.760
the height of the cold war arguably the height of the cold war the early 60s right just after the
00:37:20.340
cuban missile crisis and the kennedy brothers robert kennedy senior as well part of this had made
00:37:27.160
a giant number of enemies starting with the mob people like giancana or trafficante
00:37:35.040
uh low very extreme the most powerful mob guys he'd made dire enemies of the brothers had um loads
00:37:43.740
and lots and lots and lots of people in the deep state from from the rockefeller brothers david and
00:37:49.820
nelson through to all sorts of oil interests through to many many generals uh people like you might know
00:37:58.260
the names of curtis someone like curtis lemay or lyman lemnitzer if anyone knows these people
00:38:04.240
generals very very powerful generals people that were extremely senior in the state department
00:38:08.500
or or national security advisor level people there's two brothers mac and bill bundy for example dean
00:38:16.720
rusk i think dean rusk may well be in on it allegedly uh secretary of state at one point
00:38:22.680
um and of course the cia he'd made enemies of the cia specifically the head of the cia was alan dulles
00:38:33.060
and um he basically fired him stopped him being the the leader of the cia and sort of give him a
00:38:39.660
medal and kind of kicked him kicked him upstairs a little bit uh the cabell brothers charles piquedale
00:38:44.700
cabell a general and his brother earl cabell who just happened to be the mayor of dallas
00:38:51.300
just happened to be that um uh various spies people like davy atley phillips cord myer people that
00:39:01.720
were super high up in the cia like frank wisner or dick helms richard helms um james angleton
00:39:11.000
james jesus angleton um so everybody you don't want to be enemies with
00:39:18.260
he was enemies extremely powerful people and in the end people that do assassinations
00:39:26.220
he'd made enemies of like the cia um there's a guy called uh douglas dylan most people probably
00:39:32.860
never heard of douglas dylan c douglas dylan it's people like this that i think were behind it
00:39:39.200
ultimately so do you want me to just tell you what i think happened
00:39:42.640
yeah whether we can end up putting this on youtube or not but um so i think i think that
00:39:50.160
the original impetus came from alan douglas sometimes you think that um sometimes you think
00:39:56.060
that people that uh might contrive these sorts of things are just sort of pure evil just complete
00:40:02.180
monsters so that you can barely put a human face to it then that is the banality of evil right
00:40:07.480
that um that it comes down to just normal guys that just wear trousers and socks and shoes and
00:40:15.120
go to the toilet and comb their hair and they're just a human being yeah okay go to the first pictures
00:40:20.840
that i've got there um oh can we get the uh thing back up on the screen thank you
00:40:26.840
so well keep going down to alan dully's look so i in my opinion the guy that was the prime mover in
00:40:35.820
assassinating a sitting president and making a whole generation of people cynical and that we
00:40:42.240
still live in the shadow was just a guy called alan who smokes a pipe i was gonna say he smokes a pipe
00:40:46.480
you can't be that bad guy it's just alan just a bloke of course he's not just i'm sure that's how he
00:40:52.420
introduced himself to people as well how would you prefer oh just alan alan what do you do i'm just
00:40:57.380
a bloke no biggie no but he is one of the most powerful people among the most powerful people in
00:41:04.040
the world being the head of the cia in the in the 50s early 60s it's no old oss guy he was the cia in
00:41:10.300
all sorts of ways and people said there's a very very interesting book even though it is by a bit
00:41:15.060
of a lefty called the devil's chessboard talks all about dollars in some detail there's accounts where
00:41:20.700
people say when he would enter sort of a dinner party or something in the georgetown circuit he sort
00:41:26.920
of shimmered with power it's one of those people sometimes you might be able to see it a bit with
00:41:31.640
maybe an early blair or even an early george bush jr actually they sort of exuded authority and power
00:41:40.060
but him obviously in a very dangerous way he thought of himself or said that he was secretary of state
00:41:46.800
for unfriendly nations okay so in the 50s and 60s they were involved in assassinations i mean
00:41:57.640
it's just a matter of record just 100 percent the case um for example just to just to scratch the
00:42:06.140
surface there's um that dm in vietnam the leader they got him killed lubumba in congo tricholo in the
00:42:15.240
dominican republic they tried to whack the beard fidel a number of times so it's one of the things they
00:42:20.900
did it's one of the things the cia did perhaps still do certainly did do um would have assassination
00:42:27.500
teams and there's many more as well when you look into it look there's alan with jackie boy
00:42:32.280
um they were ideologically opposed alan's an old cold warrior all these guys i mentioned like the
00:42:39.820
cabell brothers they're cold warriors their world view is the the united states needs to defeat the
00:42:46.900
evil soviets and global imperialist common turn style communism and that the united states should
00:42:56.780
be the leader of of the world so that but but by any means necessary sort of thing that's not really
00:43:02.540
what jfk thought jfk said in all sorts of speeches even before he was president um no the worst thing in
00:43:09.860
the world is imperialism whether it's american capitalistic type in dollar imperialism or whether
00:43:17.320
it's soviet imperialism they're both bad and evil and we shouldn't do that well that's not what cold
00:43:22.760
warriors like and he screwed with their money as well breaking up getting setting bobby to break up the
00:43:29.980
stranglehold that the mafia had on all sorts of things failing to get rid of castro because both
00:43:38.000
the company and the mob made loads and loads of money in cuba in the batista area loads and loads
00:43:43.840
of money gambling prostitution drugs loads of stuff well when fidel got in like him or loathe him he put
00:43:49.840
an end to all of that sort of thing that screws with the money of some extremely powerful people
00:43:55.760
um failing to sort of look after companies like the united fruit company and stuff just not helping out
00:44:05.000
the global imperial project for the united states that puts him on the wrong side of these old
00:44:11.460
cold warrior types um so i think that's the why there he is basically firing alan dallas giving him
00:44:20.660
a medal and saying uh be an elder statesman but you're not in control of the cia anymore sort of
00:44:26.020
thing now alan dallas was extremely extremely powerful had a brother john foster dallas who was
00:44:31.260
secretary of state so the equivalent of our foreign secretary this is sort of under truman in the
00:44:36.820
truman years so for a few years there the the dallas brothers controlled nominally at least
00:44:44.120
controlled nearly all foreign policy um john foster dallas is sort of the legitimate side of foreign
00:44:49.860
affairs foreign relations and his little brother alan controlling all the dirty secret side of everything
00:44:55.640
and he had a giant giant nexus of connections everything from publishing obviously the
00:45:03.100
intelligence services all sorts of so one of his best friends was douglas dylan c douglas dylan who was
00:45:09.380
well a number of things but um in the end secretary for the treasury just so happens that back then i'm
00:45:17.060
pretty sure it's not the case anymore but back then all of the secret service came under the control of
00:45:23.180
the department of the treasury of all things don't ask me why that was i don't know but that's how it
00:45:28.500
was back then the uh whoever's in control of the treasury essentially was the boss of the secret
00:45:34.760
service now uh douglas dylan um and alan dallas were literally best friends to the point where they went
00:45:46.240
on holiday with each other all the time they'd go and spend time at david rockefeller's estate or each
00:45:53.260
other's estates and they were just they were thick as thieves absolutely thick as thieves so okay this is
00:45:59.780
what i think happened just in pure theory and it's all alleged because i've got no actual insight
00:46:04.020
um i think this is what happened alan dallas wants to whack jfk now he goes to his his killers at the cia
00:46:18.600
like james angleton if you go to next the i think we've got that's that's jim angleton years after
00:46:25.460
actually um jesus james jesus angleton he'd go to someone like angleton or or or or bissell richard
00:46:34.180
bissell or frank wisner go to one of these guys maybe dick helms who later became the head of the
00:46:39.420
cia he'd say i'm considering uh whacking jfk now whether they'd have to be on board if i did want to
00:46:49.020
do something like that how is that is it possible hypothetically yeah you went with the ben shapiro
00:46:54.320
hypothetically speaking could we put a team together to do that someone like james angleton
00:47:00.660
says sure oh jim angleton what what secrets did you take to the grave with you who knows so he said
00:47:09.980
yeah we can do that so then he'd go to somebody there's people further down people like i mentioned
00:47:15.760
already people like cord myer or uh bill uh bill harvey who's this that's bill harvey bill harvey is a bit of
00:47:23.500
crazy man really he's super high up in the cia like sort of second third tier he was thrown out
00:47:28.500
of the fbi for being too much of a loose cannon so the cia took him on he'd threaten people all the
00:47:33.880
time personally there's one story in spy catcher where a really really senior mi5 guy goes over
00:47:39.560
and meets with him and he sort of intimidates him like shows him that he's got a gun in his
00:47:43.520
waist pocket and like threatens he's drunk in really higher level meetings and shouting and swearing
00:47:48.620
crazy man crazy man so you go to bill harvey angleton maybe goes to bill harvey and says
00:47:53.720
put together a kill team and we need shooters now now where we they really got them for again there's
00:48:00.420
some people said there was some corsican shooters maybe french shooters maybe that you get people
00:48:05.580
professional assassins from europe that come over to the united states do the job and go straight back
00:48:11.200
to europe and never return it may be something like that happened maybe they were just straight
00:48:17.820
up mob guys i happen to think there were a number of shooters in dealey plaza i happen to think there
00:48:22.600
was at least three shooters i don't think lee oswald himself was one of them i think he was in the book
00:48:29.720
depository building but i don't think he was firing a gun that day he was either a spotter or exactly what
00:48:34.940
he said he was a patsy i think lee harvey oswald was a patsy which is an old-fashioned way of just
00:48:41.060
saying a scapegoat just uh just a stooge to take the blame for something so if he was a patsy what
00:48:47.080
he'd been positioned yeah exactly into the book depository so that he could later be picked up and
00:48:52.100
fingered with all of the other evidence they found with him think very quickly say because this is a
00:48:56.500
massive rabbit hole could spend ages on this just to say a few words about lee oswald um he is a crazy
00:49:01.920
fascinating figure he's definitely definitely involved in the intelligence services but at a
00:49:07.900
low level he wasn't very old he was in his early 20s still um he was sort of a wannabe he was in the
00:49:14.120
u.s marine corps uh picked out quite early as being intelligent and then he worked for a while in japan
00:49:20.620
uh just ground crew or analysis stuff for the u2 spire missions then he decided to defect to the
00:49:28.220
soviet union like you just do that in 1960 or whenever it was the soviets take him in the
00:49:35.560
soviets the intelligence services were trying to plant him in russia to see if he could find anything
00:49:41.280
out but the russians far too savvy with that for that we're just like yeah okay bro we'll give you
00:49:46.480
a flat somewhere in sort of russia somewhere but we're not letting you anywhere near state secrets
00:49:52.240
we're not going to use you as sort of a kgb asset or anything like that they saw it a mile away
00:49:59.300
they saw it a mile away so anyway after not after too long a year or two or three or something in
00:50:03.920
russia he defects back when he comes back to the united states he's got a russian wife instantly
00:50:08.300
marries a russian woman there he comes back and when he comes back um they just immediately let him in
00:50:14.520
to america and just be normal again have a job and so that stinks to high heaven that absolutely
00:50:22.020
stinks to high heaven he is part of the intelligence apparatus on some level he's involved in that world
00:50:27.880
and that game so people have said the fingerprints of intelligence are all over lee oswald absolutely
00:50:34.520
all over it but the evidence the physical evidence seems that he couldn't have been on that high up
00:50:41.640
floor shooting a rifle that day because he was seen somewhere else i don't get into the weeds of
00:50:47.820
all the details but it's physically he does want to it's not really physically possible that he was
00:50:53.220
able to sort of be in two places at once because he was seen much lower in the building there's not
00:50:59.980
time for him for him to have come down in the elevator or run down the stairs and be completely
00:51:04.280
unflustered drinking a can of coke moments after the shots rang out i think he's absolutely but i think
00:51:09.660
he was exactly what he said he was a patsy um anyway so that's enough on lee oswald um so i think
00:51:16.260
alan dullers goes to his cia guys and say what if could put put a kill team together they say fine
00:51:22.480
next you'll go to someone like douglas dylan and say if we were going to do this at any point if any of
00:51:29.260
these senior guys within the conspiracy say no it's going to be a no but they all say yes goes to
00:51:35.000
someone like douglas dylan and says if we needed to get the cia to the secret service sorry to sort
00:51:41.900
of change the motor raid uh motor motor motorcade route if we need to do that if we need to make
00:51:48.300
sure that there's not a bulletproof bubble on the president's limousine if we need to make sure the
00:51:52.700
two guys standing either side of the limousine are sort of called off at the last minute we're
00:51:57.600
gonna need you dylan to do that sort of thing there's a clip there um can we go straight to
00:52:03.160
the clip the youtube clip that's a horrifying image there uh carrying on um there's a i've got
00:52:09.960
a youtube clip yeah play this plays this uh this is actually this is that's that's jfk and jackie in
00:52:15.940
the motorcade guys jogging alongside a secret service detail and look they're told stop examine
00:52:21.160
the scene four more times stop running alongside the limousine and there's the guys that go what
00:52:25.800
why now you get the point you don't need to watch anymore and then lee harvey oswald hasn't got the
00:52:33.600
power to do that it could not have been lee harvey oswald on his own people that insist that when you
00:52:39.360
say to them well how what about the changing of the route and getting the cia to do that so what about
00:52:43.920
all the sorts of problems with the commission after the fact did lee harvey oswald from the grave
00:52:48.720
pick exactly the right people to sit on the warren commission did he okay so i haven't got much
00:52:54.460
time i've already wasted loads of time here um some of the pictures were some of the people i was
00:52:58.040
talking about if you go back a few like there's lbj um that's douglas dylan dick helms
00:53:05.660
who on earth is that who is that bioguide congress.gov
00:53:13.660
who is that a picture of not sure it doesn't say okay mystery another one of the mysteries
00:53:22.840
um oh i think that was one of the cabell brothers actually i think that was earl cabell uh cabell
00:53:28.620
oh all right he was the mayor of tech mayor of dallas anyway okay so and then it goes to someone
00:53:34.440
like douglas dylan then he'll go to someone like the cabell brothers saying can we make this happen
00:53:38.080
then he'll go to someone like lbj lbj sort of had to be in on it on some level because
00:53:42.260
after it all goes down you need to be able to control the narrative afterwards and in this
00:53:46.660
case the warren commission we'll pick someone who's whiter than white chief justice uh uh earl
00:53:52.700
warren uh the chief justice so he he really wasn't in on it he couldn't have been he's whiter than
00:53:57.760
white but we'll get someone like that to lead this commission and then we'll um we'll paint the
00:54:03.720
narrative that there's this lone killer and that'll be the end of it and the killer should
00:54:10.400
the quote-unquote killer really needs to have died that day i think it was a mistake that he lived
00:54:16.680
when they realized he was he'd lived and he'd um started speaking about it started speaking
00:54:22.700
they needed him dead straight away so they get they get um jack ruby uh jacob leon rubenstein to
00:54:30.340
murder him more accurately yes yeah that is his name jacob rubenstein um to sort of literally come
00:54:37.560
out of the shadows and be judged during execution and no need for any justice no need for a trial
00:54:42.580
um don't worry about anything before this who was uh jack ruby okay so he owned a nightclub
00:54:49.900
he was an associate of the mob so he's not a made man he couldn't be a made man he was son of
00:54:56.020
of polish people so he wasn't italian no no no he was he was jewish um and so he was but he was an
00:55:03.920
associate so he's sort of heavily in with the mob like jimmy the gent in goodfellas oh it could be
00:55:09.400
you could be an irishman you could be well in with the mob but you're not actually made you're actually
00:55:13.580
a made guy so anyway that's he was sort of a nightclub owner sort of lowlife dude and uh apparently
00:55:20.380
he was so outraged at the murder of his beloved president that he just couldn't stand for lee
00:55:26.560
oswald to be breathing anymore i'm sure he was a an incredible patriot he just couldn't just couldn't
00:55:31.740
stand him walking around living again no need no need for justice or anything or trial or anything
00:55:38.140
like that so just even though the case was presumably um airtight because they caught him red-handed
00:55:43.460
presumably presumably um it's one of the things actually one of the points i was going to make
00:55:48.840
do you know in the you've seen the truman show yeah there's a bit in the truman show when he's
00:55:55.500
arguing with his wife and at one point she gets scared and does start just addressing the producer
00:56:01.180
or the director oh yeah and he's like what was that like what are you doing like suddenly it was a
00:56:06.760
moment of oh there is this vast conspiracy against me and my whole reality is is a sham that's what i
00:56:15.260
feel like the image of jack ruby coming out of the crowd and just murdering lee oswald like that
00:56:22.280
because in sort of until that moment it would be hard it is a bit conspiracy theory tin hole tinfoil hat
00:56:30.300
wearing territory to say there's all these guys the cabal brothers and it's alan dulles and lbj must be
00:56:37.040
in on it and it's all a bit pie in the sky but then there's that moment where what's really going on
00:56:44.940
sort of has to rear its ugly head at least for a moment
00:56:48.080
that that jack ruby comes out of the crowd and silences
00:56:53.900
oswald like that like and i think that's what people realized at the time well it's definitely
00:57:02.460
what people realized at the time they're like this really really terrible tragedies happened
00:57:06.260
but when oswald's murdered it's like we're looking at something it suggests or infers
00:57:15.340
that something extremely big and sinister is going on um so i guess i've taken up just about my time i
00:57:25.300
think yeah i think we should wrap that up now there's a million other things to say about it
00:57:29.760
but so 61 years ago today um don't forget your dying king america yeah if there's one thing you've
00:57:39.660
learned from this it's that you should subscribe to the website just to watch epochs because if you
00:57:44.460
enjoyed that bo's got literally over 100 episodes going into much greater detail than that on a range
00:57:51.240
of different subjects over 180 episodes coming up to 200 so we've got a few rumble rants i'll go
00:57:57.300
through these and then we'll get on to stelios's segment ryan uh hinnigan says secret service fell
00:58:04.220
under the treasury because it was founded with the dual purposes of providing security to the executive
00:58:08.060
and fighting counterfeiting which was one third of us dollars in circulation at the founding that's
00:58:13.360
very interesting i didn't know that interesting now they've said that it rings a bell that i think
00:58:17.300
that was maybe in the lincoln period they decided that i can't remember i mean that was a long time
00:58:22.620
before this anyway it makes it make more sense bobo bad says my day be so fine then boom jfk just
00:58:28.880
after stating nothing bad ever happens to a kennedy yeah uh mam line one the conspiracy about foul play
00:58:35.900
in the late princess's death is widely accepted in america most people just accept it and believe it
00:58:40.560
is it the same across the pond also it's m hamlin oh well uh yeah i mean to be fair uh there's very
00:58:48.660
very few people that i'm aware of that don't think that there is a large conspiracy behind jfk that don't
00:58:54.620
think that that the i don't know many people who do just look at it and go oh well obviously it was
00:58:59.680
leo javi oswald by himself because as you've laid out there there's way too many moving parts
00:59:05.400
around the day itself for it to just be lee but that's my experience one of the last things i
00:59:11.060
didn't mention in the in the segment which was a key point is that alan dulles was on the warren
00:59:17.020
commission himself the man that really should have been in the witness dock so he was and he
00:59:23.500
controlled it as well like an actual puppet master exactly what witnesses were or weren't called
00:59:27.720
when to omit their evidence all the whole nine yards so he literally investigated himself and found
00:59:33.660
that he was not guilty fun how that works that's a random name all of this looks eerily similar to
00:59:38.220
the assassination attempt on trump in butler reminder reminder that he needs to survive until
00:59:42.780
january 20th to be the president and congress passed a mass casualty to a mass casualties bill
00:59:48.120
very sus finally lothar truther this is slander against alan dulles at least six coups some
00:59:55.080
assassinations and handling the ss's uh capital flight in 45 to 40 44 to 45 via switzerland during his
01:00:02.360
oss days just a noble patriotic thief it was all done in the name of old george washington it's a
01:00:08.780
very good point he had all sorts of many many many skeletons in the cupboard if you could believe that
01:00:13.180
the jfk killing is just one just one of just one of them yeah yeah let's get right so we are going to
01:00:19.760
talk about new zealand and the maori protests and their demands and also we're gonna say a bit
01:00:26.080
whether we think they're justified or not um it looks like they are protesting against a bill that
01:00:33.100
would grant equal civil rights to everyone so carl has told me it was a bill proposed by the
01:00:40.260
libertarian party it is we will talk about it but before we do so if you want to support us you can
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definitely check it out right so for those of you who's for whom geography is not particularly the
01:01:13.120
strongest card new zealand is to the southeast of australia it has a population of at least five
01:01:21.620
million people estimation say it's five to five point three million people and the maori are
01:01:27.620
an indigenous population that moved there in the 1300s and they are around 20 of the population so
01:01:35.180
that would make them a better million i've just got to get this out of the way nice that they're
01:01:38.660
indigenous and we've been on this island for far far far far far longer than that and we're not
01:01:43.980
somehow it's always it's always fun how definitions work that way it's from i think the 1300s
01:01:50.300
were there any people there before the maori arrived um depends who you ask some people say that
01:01:58.260
there were there was no one there other people say that there were some who were sort of exterminated
01:02:04.320
right so let us have some footages some footage from the protests and see try to understand what
01:02:33.740
many many of them many oh no not like aussie aboriginals are they where they go like oh my
01:02:43.580
great great great great great great great great great great grandfather uh slept with a
01:02:47.560
an aboriginal one so now i'm aboriginal it's not like that is it so we's a bath warren levels of
01:02:53.180
yeah yeah so i'll i'll try to be a bit i'll try to be a bit objective and portray both sides of the
01:02:59.940
issue because a lot of people are opinionated and i have heard lots of discussions about it
01:03:05.420
and uh you know they have been really good especially here in the office harry you're one
01:03:11.660
of the participants hey carl carl has a perspective on this that i'm going to try and steal man right
01:03:18.180
now he made a video on this on his a car daily channel and he's been speaking about in the offices
01:03:23.340
essentially uh they're against liberalism so they're good they're against liberalism because we went
01:03:28.880
there colonized them set up a series of treaties with them that puts them and us a particular place
01:03:35.700
in new zealand society they don't want there to be kind of a disbanding of those original treaties
01:03:42.280
going against them by having a full equality of all the races he also says that they hate mass
01:03:47.900
immigration onto new zealand and they hate the asians are coming on and stealing their jobs and
01:03:52.460
displacing them so he's putting it from kind of like a trad imperialist perspective well i don't
01:03:58.720
i've not looked into it so i don't know how true that is but that's carl's perspective after
01:04:02.380
looking well i mean nothing that i've seen suggest that they were funds of imperialism let me put it
01:04:09.320
this way right so we have here 42 000 march on new zealand's parliament in support of maori rights
01:04:15.260
and it's one of the biggest protests now it's not the first protests about this there have been
01:04:22.280
basically endless ones so it's one of those things in the history of uh contemporary new zealand or at
01:04:29.200
least in the history of the last two centuries that is a constant source of struggle between the maori
01:04:35.300
and the and the the new zealanders the kiwis the kiwis right so we have a viral video that i want to show
01:04:46.380
to harry harry and i want to keep showing it to harry and everyone has watched this video about the
01:04:53.760
parliament and we should start with this and try to actually ask what happened it's you know our
01:05:00.760
our narration isn't going to be linear we're going to start with the end and then we're going to ask
01:05:05.780
what happened so harry i want your full attention they're infected by the spirit harry i don't want
01:05:11.100
just your curiosity i want your attention all right you've got it
01:05:41.100
this is one of my favorite clips from parliament
01:06:10.720
you've you've missed that there's another version of it where it cuts to the man who's sitting at
01:06:16.660
parliament and he's just that because i have seen multiple videos of this particular maori woman in
01:06:24.300
this parliament not doing this exact thing but basically breaking randomly into maori war songs
01:06:30.420
um so it's a pretty common thing that seems to happen there whenever they're unhappy
01:06:34.840
with a with a it's her jam yeah and as far as i'm as far as i'm concerned it has no place in a in a
01:06:41.380
parliament no it's complete cringe doing the hacker in a pantsuit
01:06:45.220
when you put it like that it seems somewhat anachronistic doesn't it the thing is right also
01:06:53.180
should women be doing it in the first place that was one of the things i was going to say
01:06:56.440
is that right if you do it nowadays okay you're lapping you must surely be lapping you're not
01:07:03.540
actually of the maori uh warrior class you're just lapping as that uh certainly if you're a woman
01:07:10.860
in a in a pantsuit mimicking or lapping as a sort of a 19th century maori warrior it's
01:07:21.720
it's laughable or it's just so it's just so cringe it's like right you're not you're not
01:07:27.580
you're not a maori warrior you're not what it's a war dance
01:07:31.220
also don't you play before rugby play before rugby matches stuff anyway right so let us ask what
01:07:40.860
happened so the new zealand's uh parliament right now has 123 seats the government is a coalition of
01:07:48.500
parties we have the national party the act party which is a libertarian party and it's basically
01:07:54.460
started it all and the new zealand first party and then we have the official opposition
01:07:59.100
with labor we have the green and the maori um party that has only six seats so wasn't labor led by
01:08:09.500
jacinda ardern your friend wherever you got that from i remember one of your but essentially
01:08:16.820
they've got a a somewhat right-wing majority at the moment yes what's being shown here right so
01:08:22.500
it started with this man uh david seymour who is the leader of act that is the libertarian party that
01:08:29.220
is a minor coalition partner and he had a tweet like that who said if you believe you have special
01:08:35.000
rights because of your ethnicity you're going to be disappointed with a treaty principles bill
01:08:39.900
when you're used to special rights equality feels like oppression that's his angle into the
01:08:47.300
conversation right so they have they what the whole thing is just so absurd to me well from what i've
01:08:56.460
seen like you know the idea of any sort of war face or war christ to be intimidated to be
01:09:00.960
intimidating as possible right yes the whole thing is to be more aggressive and violent and intimidating
01:09:06.180
all those things yeah it plays out in the marathon with doing just the wide-eyed
01:09:10.880
yeah sticking your tongue out and stuff it's like it's not scary dude this is actually scary he looks
01:09:17.220
like he's about to enter a wwe match he does a little bit exactly you also have the the person behind with
01:09:24.860
the tongue who's literally just a white guy by the looks of it but yeah from what i've seen the the
01:09:29.860
faces are supposed to be part of it because i've seen everybody posting this saying god she's pulling
01:09:35.080
the cringe faces again and loads of people and then you go no actually is awesome you're supposed
01:09:39.140
to do the faces and i'm like you know i'm sure that if you just got there when the when we started
01:09:44.620
to colonize those islands and you saw an enormous war band of these guys with these big chants going
01:09:49.780
on that could be intimidating but no not what whilst you're ramming the powder and bullet down your
01:09:55.800
musket well yeah i mean they're much yeah that's very terrifying yeah yeah pans are right yeah really
01:10:01.580
terrifying guys yeah yeah so carry on take your time flint's in the right place go ahead you go
01:10:06.320
ahead guys this bill has uh three articles three principles it's one of the shortest bills you can
01:10:12.880
see that they are they don't sound particularly controversial on at least on for on a first reading
01:10:19.180
but obviously we need to bear in context the historical setting of the island it says the new
01:10:26.620
zealand government has the right to govern all new zealanders i mean that that's what technically
01:10:31.860
governments are supposed to be doing when they're legitimate we need to put that caveat
01:10:36.340
the new zealand government will honor all new zealanders in the chieftainship of their land and all their
01:10:43.000
property and all new zealanders are equal under the law with the same rights and duties
01:10:48.300
so the third one is the essentially what uh they are protesting against and uh why they say this
01:10:57.500
because they think that at the end they from what i gather from what i gather they say that there has
01:11:04.340
been a treaty which is the founding treaty of new zealand they call it the treaty of white hangi
01:11:11.220
that was signed in 1840 between local maori chiefs and the british crown and uh there are all sorts of
01:11:19.460
problems with that treaty and what they think is that this bill is trying to redefine the foundational
01:11:26.840
treaties of new zealand right so we have to say some things about the treaty because it's it's actually
01:11:35.520
pretty interesting they say that the the treaty was a bit rushed so it was first signed on the 6th of
01:11:43.300
february 1840 it was an agreement between the british crown and 540 maori chiefs in the beginning it was
01:11:53.040
signed by i think close to 40 but then as the the year progressed there were more chiefs into it but it's
01:12:00.820
also said that at some point the british unilaterally said that it's going to apply to everyone and it
01:12:08.360
suddenly it applied to a lot of chiefs that didn't sign up for it and there are also some other issues
01:12:15.880
here because a lot of people who are supporting the maori side say that there are two languages in which
01:12:23.560
this treaty has been signed it was basically very rushed because all the debate about it took
01:12:29.960
three days it was only a lieutenant governor william hobson who wrote it and uh lee and uh debated with
01:12:39.380
the maori chiefs and there was sort of no oversight or involvement by other british officials and um
01:12:47.900
there are two main issues with it number one they say that in the two documents there are different
01:12:54.740
notions involved so they say that in the english document the document written in the
01:12:59.900
english language it says that it is the sovereignty of the island that is going to be given to
01:13:05.920
to the british and they say that in the maori version of the of the treaty it says that it's the
01:13:13.800
government not the sovereignty and a lot of people say that there has been essentially a deception here
01:13:20.460
that the british served the maori the onion of deception and also the there are the maori didn't have a
01:13:27.600
notion of sovereignty because if you think about it the notion of sovereignty is a bit complex
01:13:32.620
and you need it it comes fairly late in the in um in western political philosophy it's much less
01:13:40.980
intuitive than the concept of government so they are saying things like that and they say that
01:13:45.060
essentially this treaty has led to this significant deterioration of maori presence in the island
01:13:53.820
so that's what they're saying now here's the the treaty of waitangi bill that seymour is putting
01:14:01.180
forward here we have the three articles as is as said it's pretty simple it's principle three everyone
01:14:08.780
is equal before the law everyone is entitled without discrimination to the equal protection and equal
01:14:14.260
benefit of the law and the equal enjoyment of the same fundamental rights now to my mind this seems like
01:14:20.460
basically obvious especially when we're talking about civil rights it's it seems to me to be
01:14:28.920
intuitive i can understand the argument when we're talking about you know america for the americans
01:14:34.040
europe for europeans you know england for the english scottland for the scottish i can understand
01:14:39.180
the argument for extra political rights for the indigenous but it seems to me that there isn't any
01:14:45.720
particular problem with granting civil rights to to others so that that's maybe my that's maybe only
01:14:54.880
me so i'll try to understand what they are saying and i found what's their angle then what do they argue
01:15:01.340
well there are just maori supremacy there are several uh angles into it i'm not gonna say just
01:15:10.180
anything about i i found but i found this sort of it seems like left-leaning argument that talks a
01:15:17.320
bit about it and they say the controversy over one of the nation's founding documents touches on a raw
01:15:22.720
nerve the agreement has two versions one in english and the other in maori leaving the two sides with
01:15:27.900
deferring interpretations about what it means in practice for indigenous rights and they and they are
01:15:33.160
saying essentially underneath that a guardian investigation in july revealed the effect of
01:15:39.440
legislative and policy changes in six key areas ranging from health treaty and language justice social
01:15:47.520
and housing and then to to environment and education that experts say will adversely impact
01:15:53.960
maori and may deepen existing inequalities and they continue the administration also plans to win back
01:15:59.980
world-leading anti-smoking laws that would have made it illegal for anyone born after 2008 to buy
01:16:07.540
cigarettes a decision experts say will affect the community more because of higher smoking rates than
01:16:13.840
other new zealanders and say maori make up roughly 20 percent of new zealand's five million people but
01:16:20.260
they're worse off in comparison to fellow citizens they're jailed in much higher numbers accounting for more
01:16:26.560
than half of the people in prison and are disproportionately represented in crime and poverty statistics the
01:16:33.720
community also fares badly when it comes to life expectancy rates with maori males at the bottom of the table so to my
01:16:40.600
mind when i read this which it seems to me to be a left-leaning document it seems to me that they have a
01:16:48.120
a particular paternalistic treatment or at least that's what it seems to me to be to be argued in that
01:16:56.220
in that article i may be completely wrong i have seen a report saying that i don't know if it's mentioned
01:17:02.460
here that they get to skip the queue for hospital waiting lists and such okay i've heard things like
01:17:09.000
that before so it seems to me that the on the one hand it looks like the protest if that's if that's
01:17:15.680
the case on the the it looks like a protest for sovereignty and empowerment but on the other it also
01:17:20.980
looks like a call for having extra treatment in the apparatus of of new zealand and i wouldn't i i again
01:17:30.200
i'm only privy to what you have presented here i would not be surprised if it essentially boiled down
01:17:35.720
to gibbs despite what carl is uh suggesting well i i don't know it seems to me that the
01:17:41.620
we need to be a bit careful here also i want to be meticulous and i want to be fair the documents i
01:17:49.080
found seem to me to be very left left-leaning and they are essentially you could say sort of woke
01:17:55.860
it could be the case though that leftists are appropriating trying to appropriate the maori movement
01:18:02.460
and there are different arguments for their cause or something but outside one thing one thing to
01:18:07.500
bear in mind it's one thing to say that we are talking about an island that has a hundred percent
01:18:12.700
or the overwhelming majority of the population as being maori and quite another to say that it's
01:18:18.280
it's 18 to 20 percent um if you don't mind me asking and and also just just let me saying it's not
01:18:24.820
like the bill says the maori should have a worse treatment and others should have preferential it says
01:18:31.400
everyone should have equal civil rights okay um outside of the hacker dances that they have
01:18:36.560
performed have there been any direct statements that we can quote from the maoris and those representing
01:18:42.480
the maoris on why exactly they're going against this bill it's essentially they're they are saying
01:18:49.460
that it is against their sovereignty and it's for their national um it's their national say
01:18:56.520
they have been it's it's an issue of addressing historical inequalities let me say so they could
01:19:03.360
argue that all these inequalities right now or a prefer what we would say preferential treatment
01:19:09.800
is a sort of addressing the historical inequalities that have proceeded from the waitangi uh treaty and
01:19:17.140
how it has been handled okay the question i've got is that you mentioned there that the maori were
01:19:22.340
about 20 percent of the population but more than half of the prison population yeah is that due to
01:19:28.340
the institutional racism of new zealand's judicial system or is it because they're more criminal as a
01:19:35.440
collective as a people there i mean whenever i hear that argument it's always the second for me the
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latter because because obviously it is yeah yeah and they wouldn't be committing all of those crimes if
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it weren't for the original treaty i assume and i'll take the guardian line here right okay and i think
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we should read some rumble comments but i want to put this to harry again that what did oh are you
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really just making me watch it again i'm gonna actually can we replay it no no jack right go into jack
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it's not intimidating when someone's like five foot five and weighs 90 pounds shows resolution it's got like
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tiny shoulders and skinny little arms and they're acting like they're gonna butcher you in some way
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it's not scary it's not scary jack find find the meme that i sent yesterday of this except with the
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more appropriate music and see if we can get that up on stream if you just go into one of the channels
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and go up i can't i can't do anything with the video sadly uh no no no let me let me find it for you
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yes uh do you want to read the rumble rants yeah they have disappeared they vanished because i was
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trying to get meme magic involved they vanished from existence uh right it is right uh no no where is
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it apologies folks which is there weren't you no that was a different one oh god i just saw a picture
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of day of james o'brien look this one this one see if we can get this up on the stream jack
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and i don't think the song is copyright so it should be fine
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it's one from space balls isn't it have you seen the bit where
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here we go here we go here we go are we doing it jack can we do it this is on the fly podcasting
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folks very exciting stuff i know i know it will be worth it it will be worth it um oh wait wait
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it's like a flash mob because the camera keeps cutting to more people joining in
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it's like a bollywood movie where you know the the bride is about to is singing and suddenly two
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minutes afterwards the whole village the entire room joins in yes so i just wanted all of you folks
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at home to see that because it was glorious anyway uh let's get the rumble rants back up on the screen
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for us please jack thank you would you like to read them uh yes so uh that's a random name says
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indigenous people acting normal for more than 30s challenge impossible 30 seconds uh pat j reed i
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want my conquer congressman to do a hacker the next time they want to fund the government by continuing
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resolution that would be great if you want republican congressman if the government ever wants to
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increase your taxes you have to force them to do a hacker dance and that's our shame them into not
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because they'll be too embarrassed that's a random name uh harry you're 100 correct the screaming
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larpers are a minority of deadbeats that won gibbs also new zealand has one of the lowest rates of
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child abuse in the world until you factor in maori you factor in maori child abuse that's that's sad to
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hear sad to hear all right let's watch the two video comments that we've got and move on to some of
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the written comments and then we've got lads out after this cp24 is a news weather and traffic
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station out of toronto whose feed is great to have on in the background at a bar even still the
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propaganda is subtly added this headline looks troubling for the police doesn't it oh wait
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the chyron just updated and completely changes the tenor of the story
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thank you very much for that let's move on to the next one
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we know this ain't the very first time you can ask the people in east palestine but in april
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rhyming palestine time and caroline quite good like it yeah yeah quite good just a shame about
01:24:49.960
the subject matter though yeah i'll read some of the comments from my segment so a guy from hungary
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says bill gates and an executive from black rock visited number 10 on the 18th of october this year
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freedom of information request was denied interesting sure why not yeah alpha of the betas labor are not
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incompetent they're not uninformed they are communists and they hate you there is nothing
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in your life if they don't feel the moral right to dictate from how many of your assets they're
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allowed to keep to the emotions you're allowed to feel to the silent prayers you're allowed to pray in
01:25:18.680
your head i do agree that they're communists and i agree that it's intentional but if they were
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anything greater than 105 iq at best they would do a better job of perception management in the
01:25:30.120
managerial governance that we experience today everything is about perception management because you have this
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mass of people who if you piss them off too much could form an opposition to you so even during
01:25:42.040
blair's years he was a master of perception management these guys are shit they're too stupid to even
01:25:48.220
realize maybe we shouldn't broadcast the fact that as we're screwing the farmers we're having a meeting
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with black rock they're terrible at it because they are idiots low iq evil idiots though jfk having a
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mind-blowing experience nothing to lose your head about oh they say you'd never get ahead in life
01:26:09.640
now we're just repeating austin powers one-liners even leftists were against kia stalin when he first
01:26:15.820
became the leader of labor they were calling him a bureaucrat with a haircut and no spine the only reason
01:26:20.800
why he's liked by them is because he has the power to do what they want pure pragmatism i would say he's
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a dyed-in-the-wool commie leftist first and foremost but he comes across as a boring bureaucrat to kind of
01:26:35.360
disarm you that's why people didn't suspect him at first i will give one thing of credit to peter
01:26:40.400
hitchens i think all the other advice he gave was rubbish leading up to the election but he was right
01:26:44.840
that we hadn't looked into him properly we didn't understand how radical keir starmer was but
01:26:51.180
especially what people forget sometimes about popularity and the really low level of popularity
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is it's just four months that he is he's governing the country five months he'd lost us before the end
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of the first month usually in the beginnings there's a kind of you know grace period thank god we're rid of
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the tories let's see how these guys go no no no let's read some of yours shall we would you like
01:27:16.520
me to read them for you please george hap says like bo mentioned during the election roundtable
01:27:21.500
discussion i'm not very hyped for the jfk files chances are they won't reveal much what trump can
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do is continue his legacy and dismantle his three as many three-letter agencies as possible this will
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save tons of energy since they are all doing these since all they are doing these days are glowing
01:27:37.280
nazi rallies that's a good point actually well if he does that we can be guaranteed there'll be no
01:27:42.180
charlottesville too i didn't mention it on the segment which i should have done but yeah trump says he'll
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release all the remaining unreleased jfk files for start there's not that many because a lot of them
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have been released over the years george bush jr again didn't took a carlson have a release some
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have an excellent some and some some they they leak them out they they release them uh periodic
01:28:04.180
there's not that much left to be released and i would bet quite a lot of money that even if you
01:28:10.120
release them there will be no crazy smoking guns there'll be no order from alan dulles to james
01:28:15.660
angleton saying put together a kill team to kill john kennedy it won't be like that it won't be like that
01:28:21.460
or or all these deals done with handshakes well oh yeah so for start the actual thing itself the
01:28:27.460
real conspiracy there's no nothing's written down of course not no um but but there will be some
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there will be some documents which are spicy and suggest all sorts of things but i don't think
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there'll be any massive massive smoking because the ones that there were were lost or destroyed back
01:28:46.560
in the 60s or 70s there was a big i mean there was a big effort to try and get to the bottom of it in
01:28:55.800
the early 70s uh congress of the said i think the congress put together a committee on assassinations
01:29:03.380
to look at john kennedy and robert kennedy and what happened to um um the black panther dude and and
01:29:11.460
what martin luther king dr martin luther king i'm sorry he wasn't black panther he just made excuses
01:29:16.200
for them he's the other guy malcolm x oh yeah malcolm x martin luther king and the kennedy brothers
01:29:20.940
they put together a thing to look into all of that and uh incidentally they came to the conclusion that
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there must have been a conspiracy of some time but even then even then like we insist on having this
01:29:31.660
document or something or other and the cia or the fbi whoever was like oh i just lost it
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it's gone doesn't exist anymore one thing that was in the 70s so i don't think it's all gone i
01:29:43.180
don't think malcolm x was black panthers i think he was nation of islam and he pissed them off and
01:29:48.740
they shot him instead you're quite right yeah he wasn't he wasn't um black panther you're right but
01:29:53.720
we'll go through some of stelios's base tape that was the most feminine hack i've ever seen
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it was a woman who did it just making stupid faces and doing just hands and spirit fingers i
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i love the fact that they were literally going like that for most of it like that woman that
01:30:10.540
that polynesian baby she could you could grab her wrists and get her to punch herself it's like
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yeah keep keep doing the hacker face keep doing the hacker face why are you hitting yourself though
01:30:20.780
oh someone's someone's gonna edit that together now you you doing that theodore pinnock says i think
01:30:27.940
the hacker is cool when you have ripped muscle-bound top male athletes doing it at sports games the one
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that would make into your cult it's a good it's a good example of cultural preservation
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i left this out my cult is for germanics only transferring it from military contests to
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athletic contests but when you have tiny 90 pound women in pound suits doing it in the middle of
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parliament it's just pathetic self-humiliation that makes the whole thing look embarrassing and
01:30:58.180
someone online the hacker is cringe because we know they're not going to eat people they know
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they're not going to eat people and it's a giant larve that we're supposed to take seriously now if
01:31:08.620
they did start eating people then it would be you know when it's some massive jonah lomu dude with
01:31:16.360
forearms like hams yeah he could pick you up and and tie you in a knot like a pretzel yeah and he's got
01:31:24.260
a neck that's the same width of his head and he's like bellowing out the hacker okay yeah a bit
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intimidating i'm not worried that he's actually gonna kill me but it's a little bit intimidating
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but a little woman doing it it's like and she keeps doing it this is not the first time it was
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right it's funny you're not the right person doing it alex l what's the saying that gets thrown around
01:31:46.820
by the left again when you have privilege equality feels like oppression and that was what the act guy
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said anyway that's all that we've got time for right now join us again in about half an hour if
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you're subscribed to the website so that you can check out lads hour where i think what we're going
01:32:01.500
to be doing is spinning the wheel of countries and whenever it lands we'll figure out how we're going
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to fix them so that should be fun hopefully not too spicy wink wink and we'll see you then until