The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to the exciting book club sequel that I know that you've all been waiting for.

00:00:05.460 That's right, we have returned to the land of James O'Gammon.

00:00:09.680 And for this, I've gone back to his 2018 bestseller, How to Be Right.

00:00:15.300 You might have seen this in WH Smiths and Waterstones all across the country.

00:00:18.880 You might have seen your nan reading this, your middle-class Lib Dem voting auntie,

00:00:24.340 who's childless but has lots of cats.

00:00:26.780 She definitely loves this book.

00:00:28.480 And I thought it'd be interesting to go back through this, examine his thoughts, examine how you can be right.

00:00:35.300 And then also after this, we'll probably also cover his sequel book to this How Not To Be Wrong.

00:00:40.560 James O'Brien.

00:00:42.240 It's genuinely like some sort of...

00:00:44.180 He's a very humble man.

00:00:46.040 It's like some sort of Mitchell and Webb parody.

00:00:49.120 Like, you know, his book How To Be Right, and then his other book How Not To Be Wrong.

00:00:52.260 It just sounds like early 2000s.

00:00:53.580 How To Be Modest.

00:00:55.360 He is the government mouthpiece.

00:00:57.880 Right now for LBC saying, well, you know, when the government says, have we tried destroying British farming?

00:01:04.080 Have we tried killing all of the poor?

00:01:05.700 James O'Brien is the man who comes out and defends all of that.

00:01:08.720 And he tells you how to do that in this book.

00:01:10.700 And this is an interesting one because I thought How To Be Right.

00:01:14.460 He's not actually going to try and sell it to you as a guidebook on how to be right.

00:01:20.060 But he does.

00:01:21.320 He does.

00:01:21.860 Because it's an actual book that he thinks tells you how to be right.

00:01:25.180 But translating to normal person, what this means is this is a guidebook on how to convince your friends and your acquaintances and your family to be woke, libtard NPCs. 1.00

00:01:38.280 Using a mixture of bullying, shaming, and berating them to make sure that they stay in line.

00:01:45.500 Because one thing that you'll notice straight away from this book is how lazy it is.

00:01:51.380 It is the laziest book I've ever read.

00:01:54.760 Now I did the calculations, and this is being charitable because overall the book says that it's 232 pages.

00:02:01.460 Of the main text itself, actually, there's about 219 pages, but I used the whole book.

00:02:08.200 Of those pages, around about 74, 32% of the entire book are reproductions of his calls on LBC.

00:02:19.680 Transcripts.

00:02:20.740 But if I were to reduce the page count down to the 219, that would be an even greater proportion of the overall page count on this.

00:02:28.060 And then even when you factor that in, just take a look at the actual pages themselves, right?

00:02:33.920 What do you notice?

00:02:35.440 Well, I notice that there's basically double spacing between each line, actually, which you can probably see.

00:02:42.360 There's a lot of space between each line, and there seems to be voluminous spaces in the margins where you can make your notes.

00:02:49.940 Yes, where I can write little miniature essays insulting James O'Brien.

00:02:53.640 Pass it over to Josh as well, so he can just get a feel for it, okay?

00:02:56.600 No, um...

00:02:58.820 It won't infect you. I've disinfected it.

00:03:02.740 I actually had a look at this before we started recording.

00:03:06.220 What I did like was, you wrote a little note right at the very start, after the first line, saying,

00:03:12.880 You're so special, James.

00:03:15.260 And he says, I am a very rare beast. I am a liberal talk show host.

00:03:19.220 Well, I think...

00:03:19.620 Oh, yeah, where were you going to find those?

00:03:21.120 Yeah, exactly, right? So I think part of the other point of this is just for James to have a big ego-boosting exercise where he aggrandizes himself.

00:03:29.540 All the time, the whole way through this book, he's constantly talking, not about the arguments that he's making,

00:03:35.600 because what you'll quickly notice is there aren't any arguments being made against his opponents in this.

00:03:42.180 It's him asserting that he is correct, and then again, using a mixture of mockery, bullying, berating, and shaming.

00:03:50.200 I like the tactics. The tactics are good. It's just the message that's bad.

00:03:53.960 Exactly. And what you'll also notice is this starts not from the very first page, but from the first flap of the book.

00:04:01.160 Would you mind reading this?

00:04:03.000 Every day, James O'Brien listens to people blaming benefits, scroungers, the EU, Muslims, feminists, and immigrants.

00:04:09.780 But what makes James's daily LBC social such essential listening, and has made James a standout social media star,

00:04:17.480 is the careful way he punctures their assumptions and dismantles their arguments live on air every single morning.

00:04:22.840 In How To Be Right, James provides a hilarious and invigorating guide to talking to people with faulty opinions.

00:04:30.880 With chapters on every lightning rod issue, James shows how people have been fooled into thinking the way they do,

00:04:36.920 and in each case outlines the key questions to ask to reveal fallacies, inconsistencies, and double standards.

00:04:43.800 If you ever get cornered by ardent Brexiteers, Daily Mail Disciples, or Little England Patriots, hello,

00:04:49.940 this book is your conversation survival guide.

00:04:52.840 And the interesting thing about that is, the people who've read this clearly do take it as a conversation survival guide,

00:04:59.520 because all of the talking points, all of the packaged responses, come straight from this book.

00:05:07.940 But again, what you'll notice there is, even in the flap, it's a bit of a foreshadowing.

00:05:12.520 They're not going to actually give you the rhetorical, well, the argumentative tools

00:05:17.280 to reasonably and logically deconstruct their opponents' arguments on first principles.

00:05:22.780 Instead, it immediately just assumes wrong opinions, faulty opinions.

00:05:27.480 What's a faulty opinion?

00:05:29.260 Something that middle-class Lib Dem voters feel a bit icky if it's mentioned at the dinner table.

00:05:35.300 James O'Brien has privileged access to the objective truth on every subject.

00:05:38.780 Well, I think what it is meant to be a placeholder for is just opinions that are unsavoury by the people

00:05:45.140 that I want to ingratiate myself with.

00:05:47.220 Non-Libtard opinions. 1.00

00:05:48.520 Yes.

00:05:49.060 And you can tell that immediately by the fact that on the front page,

00:05:52.140 you've got glowing praise from Robert Webb, Emily Maitlis.

00:05:55.980 You turn to the back, it's got a glowing review from The Guardian,

00:05:59.460 Caitlin Moran, Krishnan Gurumurthy, Gary Lineker, everybody's favourite black man.

00:06:05.320 It's got a laundry list of everyone that's annoying in British politics.

00:06:08.580 Well, and then you get another one on the inside right after the first flat.

00:06:11.960 You get Jamie Oliver, Susanna Reid, Danny Wallace.

00:06:15.800 Yep.

00:06:16.140 The Secret Barrister, who you might remember from his other book, How They Broke Britain.

00:06:20.840 Elizabeth Day, Ian Dunt, author of How to Be a Good Liberal.

00:06:24.380 Stuart Lee, and et cetera, et cetera.

00:06:26.420 So all of you who like making lists, thankfully, you get a pre-packaged one at the beginning of this book.

00:06:33.200 But what I'm getting at here...

00:06:34.100 Sorry, just as a quick thing.

00:06:35.320 If I was endorsed by any of those people, I would re-evaluate my entire worldview.

00:06:39.760 Yeah, you do.

00:06:40.220 Oh God, I'm doing something really wrong, if that person agrees with me.

00:06:43.560 You're doing something wrong here, definitely.

00:06:46.000 But I think one of the reasons that it's so lazy in providing the transcripts

00:06:49.480 is that the original text in here, as mentioned, is simply reaffirming

00:06:53.700 that if you already agree with all of the centre-left opinions on the subjects that it covers,

00:06:59.180 there's like Islam, Brexit, LGBT, these are the chapter headings, political correctness, feminism. 0.93

00:07:07.560 I love it.

00:07:08.220 Yeah, if you were to read these are the chapter headings.

00:07:10.660 Just, oh my God.

00:07:12.180 Nanny States and Classical Liberals, or as I call it, the anti-Karl chapter.

00:07:16.060 Written in 2018.

00:07:17.300 You know that he's making veiled references to Karl.

00:07:21.780 Then the age gap trump, and then you get the epilogue.

00:07:24.400 So again, very, very short book.

00:07:25.980 The point is that the text is not really the main feature here.

00:07:29.920 It's the transcripts.

00:07:31.100 Because in those transcripts, you get the reproductions of James talking to people

00:07:35.640 who disagree with him.

00:07:37.000 Where, again, he engages in very, very bad faith debate tactics.

00:07:41.600 And we'll go through a few of these as we go through the chapters.

00:07:43.900 If anything, having it as a transcript lends itself better to his arguments

00:07:47.820 because it makes him less insufferable.

00:07:50.060 You don't actually get to hear his voice.

00:07:53.540 That's a fair point.

00:07:55.100 But actually, what it actually reveals is the pure vacuity of his speech.

00:08:01.380 The opponents that he has in these transcripts often are making nuanced and reasonable arguments.

00:08:07.980 And he responds to them like a child.

00:08:11.260 And it becomes clearer when you have it in text.

00:08:14.060 But of course, if you're Robert Webb, or Jamie Oliver, or Gary Lineker,

00:08:20.100 you do not have the mental prowess to recognize this.

00:08:23.520 And if you're an NPC being taught to be an NPC by this book,

00:08:27.060 what you're getting is the immediate programming.

00:08:29.240 Your new programming.

00:08:30.040 Oh, this is how I respond to these people.

00:08:32.400 And that's what the transcripts are there for.

00:08:34.420 And it's amazing how candid he is with some of these things.

00:08:38.120 So I've put the bookmark on this page because this is the most important one.

00:08:43.380 And the bookmark, of course, is a leaflet that Carl got from the farmers' protest, appropriately,

00:08:48.740 if you know anything about James' views on the farmers and why they're protesting.

00:08:52.620 I would like you to just notice what he admits to here on this page

00:08:57.080 when he discusses a conversation he had with somebody.

00:08:59.700 I think it was about prayer rooms in a school.

00:09:02.720 Yeah, it is, yeah.

00:09:03.340 I asked him the name of the school and he told me.

00:09:05.000 I had a quick scoot online and I couldn't find any reference to a prayer room

00:09:08.600 or a particular predominance of Muslim students.

00:09:11.880 And I've done something I've never done on air before or since.

00:09:15.420 I lied.

00:09:17.120 Andy, we've got the headmistress on the other line 0.97

00:09:19.220 and she doesn't know what you're talking about.

00:09:21.400 Andy hung up.

00:09:22.280 I don't know why he wanted, perhaps even needed,

00:09:24.760 the narrative of being overwhelmed and under threat to be so true.

00:09:27.760 So much so that he made stuff up to prove it.

00:09:30.540 Sorry.

00:09:31.680 So he made stuff up to prove it.

00:09:33.660 Andy, he is accusing of making stuff up to prove it.

00:09:36.340 But James literally is making stuff up.

00:09:39.360 And admits it here.

00:09:40.700 But he has the nice caveat.

00:09:42.740 I've never done it before or since, guys.

00:09:44.320 Oh, yeah.

00:09:45.000 Never once before after this have I been a liar. 0.81

00:09:48.620 All I am in this book is an admitted liar. 0.56

00:09:52.200 That's remarkable. 0.82

00:09:53.620 It's interesting that he's just okay with saying,

00:09:58.360 well, it just randomly came over me to lie for no reason.

00:10:02.600 Because he needed to win against Andy, you see.

00:10:04.260 It's not exactly one of the topics that was, you know,

00:10:07.600 front and centre of British politics where the stakes are very high.

00:10:11.020 It was like a, it's a very strange thing for him to admit.

00:10:15.440 I'm very surprised he did it.

00:10:16.600 Well, in the sequel book to this, How Not to Be Wrong,

00:10:19.840 again, hold your laughter.

00:10:20.980 We'll get to that when we get to it.

00:10:23.160 Basically.

00:10:24.680 That's presented more as a personal memoir, right?

00:10:27.480 And it's very clear through the text of this book,

00:10:29.820 but it's even clearer in that book because he outright admits to it,

00:10:33.320 that his whole purpose of being in engaging in these discussions

00:10:37.300 has never been truth or honesty.

00:10:40.060 He outright says that, oh, before I went to therapy,

00:10:43.560 whenever that was, he doesn't leave it.

00:10:45.260 He doesn't tell you exactly when he went to therapy.

00:10:47.180 Before I went to therapy, all I ever cared about was winning in these discussions.

00:10:53.480 So, if you're a viewer of James O'Brien,

00:10:57.060 if you're a normie NPC who's a regular viewer of his show

00:11:01.460 and you watch him frequently,

00:11:03.220 why do you trust him after reading this book?

00:11:06.480 He's admitted that he's lying,

00:11:08.100 and he makes clear over and over and over again,

00:11:09.900 his whole point is winning, which suggests that the NPC perspective is just,

00:11:14.520 I am a death bot programmed to win at all costs for my side.

00:11:20.280 And that's literally what he's saying there,

00:11:21.880 because, I mean, Andy says,

00:11:23.940 look, I'm feeling overwhelmed by the number of Muslim students at this school, 0.99

00:11:27.740 their prayer rooms, this is a big thing.

00:11:30.160 James O'Brien can't find anything online,

00:11:32.120 so he just starts making up things to shut him down.

00:11:34.580 It's like, okay, but doesn't this guy have a right to feel overwhelmed

00:11:38.340 by the demographic change in this country?

00:11:40.640 Like, is that not something legitimate?

00:11:42.060 It's like, maybe,

00:11:42.900 but that would threaten the libtard order 0.95

00:11:45.580 that James O'Brien is currently trying to defend.

00:11:47.500 The only thing is, he's not even being a good libtard, 1.00

00:11:49.780 because he could be like, well, you know,

00:11:52.000 it's natural for you to feel overwhelmed, perhaps,

00:11:55.340 but, you know, you've got to get over it.

00:11:56.860 He's not even being very good rhetorically,

00:11:59.240 because he could potentially try and win this person around.

00:12:01.560 Maybe, but instead he's...

00:12:02.960 Offering them reassurance, yeah.

00:12:04.360 Well, again, like Sam Hyde in the I'm Hitler's Top Guy sketch, 0.65

00:12:09.100 he uses a mixture of bullying, shaming, berating,

00:12:13.820 and other aggressive tactics.

00:12:16.480 My favourite tactics, yeah.

00:12:17.520 Very, you are Hitler's top guy as well. 0.93

00:12:21.640 He uses those tactics to berate the other person

00:12:24.780 and shame them into agreeing with him,

00:12:26.940 or at least shame them into being quiet about their actual feelings.

00:12:31.560 Which, again, if this is the guide on how to berate other people,

00:12:36.100 how not to be right, how not to be wrong is how to do that to yourself,

00:12:39.820 how to gaslight yourself into being a libtard NPC. 0.99

00:12:43.820 Spoiler.

00:12:44.700 Yeah, spoiler.

00:12:45.820 But it's interesting, again,

00:12:47.720 how in the very first page of the first chapter on Islam and Islamism,

00:12:51.640 he makes it very, very clear why it is that he's siding with outgroups on this.

00:12:55.820 Oh, yeah.

00:12:56.480 And that's because he's not English. 0.94

00:12:58.640 Oh.

00:12:59.040 Well, he's Irish.

00:13:00.000 Well, he's O'Brien, I suppose.

00:13:01.260 Yeah, yeah, he's Irish.

00:13:02.840 And he talks about how in the 70s and 80s, growing up,

00:13:06.580 he was the subject of bullying

00:13:08.200 because other people would make fun of him for being Irish

00:13:11.420 because they would say,

00:13:12.440 oh, you're part of the IRA.

00:13:13.880 Oh, it makes sense why he defends Islam so much now then.

00:13:17.060 Yeah.

00:13:17.760 Also, it wasn't James O'Brien adopted,

00:13:20.440 so it's not even his...

00:13:22.120 Well, no, no, his biological parents,

00:13:25.420 from what he knows, are Irish as well.

00:13:27.140 Oh, okay.

00:13:27.840 But the family that adopted him are also Irish immigrants.

00:13:31.100 Okay.

00:13:31.700 So he was doubly cursed from the outset.

00:13:36.260 There was no winning for O'Brien.

00:13:38.420 But when we get to the rhetorical tactics, again,

00:13:40.840 you say that, oh, well, you don't have to listen to him,

00:13:42.840 so it might actually make his rhetoric more effective.

00:13:45.820 It doesn't.

00:13:48.280 So on the subject of Islamism,

00:13:50.480 he basically is trying to make the argument here

00:13:52.560 that it's not all right to judge all groups,

00:13:55.940 all people within a group,

00:13:57.920 as being the lowest common denominator from that group.

00:14:03.300 You can't take the actions of one Islamist who's a radical

00:14:05.980 and use it to smear everybody else.

00:14:08.120 You know, the Norm Macdonald.

00:14:09.320 Think of all of these innocent, law-abiding Muslims.

00:14:12.000 Can I make a characterization about ISIS?

00:14:14.380 Can I use the actions of one member of ISIS to characterize the rest of ISIS?

00:14:19.020 Not all of ISIS actually kill people, Carl.

00:14:21.600 That's exactly what his book would have to be.

00:14:23.140 I mean, that is technically true,

00:14:24.620 but it's a very weird way of going about it.

00:14:26.520 Well, the point is that this caller, Richard,

00:14:28.640 is calling in regarding the crimes that have been committed

00:14:31.560 in the name of Islam 0.99

00:14:32.600 and saying that they as a group

00:14:35.220 should issue an apology to the mass of English people 1.00

00:14:39.700 for what they've done.

00:14:41.180 James O'Brien finds this is terrible

00:14:42.580 and his tactic for saying that it's not,

00:14:45.680 allow me to quote some of it.

00:14:47.120 Okay.

00:14:48.040 James, have you apologized yet?

00:14:50.240 Richard, apologize for what?

00:14:51.880 James, the murder's in France on Wednesday.

00:14:54.260 Why would I need to apologize for that?

00:14:55.980 Well, why does Abbas?

00:14:57.140 He was in Berkshire.

00:14:58.460 Well, no, because they're doing it in the name of Islam. 0.99

00:15:00.600 If it was done, James, not his Islam. 1.00

00:15:04.340 They might have been doing it in the name of Richard's.

00:15:06.780 Wouldn't mean it was about you.

00:15:09.140 Richard, I know, but that gets cut off.

00:15:11.400 So why haven't you apologized then?

00:15:13.020 You can do it now if you want.

00:15:14.660 Richard, there has to be some,

00:15:16.820 these people are committing acts of terror in the name of Islam. 0.98

00:15:19.060 So you can tell that Richard's immediately like,

00:15:21.120 well, I'm making an actual point here. 1.00

00:15:22.940 You're being a twat. 0.99

00:15:24.280 Yeah. 1.00

00:15:24.560 How am I supposed to respond to you just being a twat? 0.99

00:15:27.580 But the thing, the caller could say, 0.99

00:15:29.000 well, David Cameron apologized for like the empire, didn't he?

00:15:32.340 Like, didn't Keir Starmer apologize for slavery or something?

00:15:36.140 You know, like national leaders make apologies

00:15:38.720 on behalf of the nation all the time.

00:15:40.580 So there's a couple of things to say here.

00:15:42.660 The first of which I don't actually agree with asking

00:15:45.660 for an apology from Islam because it makes us look weak. 1.00

00:15:48.300 And they wouldn't do it anyway.

00:15:51.020 And secondly, I think the best thing he could say there,

00:15:54.780 because I always feel very frustrated with the callers

00:15:57.020 because they're normal people.

00:15:58.300 Yeah, they're not professional.

00:15:59.440 Exactly.

00:16:00.320 And so what you would actually want Richard to say here would be,

00:16:04.200 well, one of these makes sense

00:16:06.780 because not everyone called Richard necessarily

00:16:09.580 has the same beliefs about something.

00:16:12.300 Whereas Islam, there's got to be at least some overlap, right? 0.93

00:16:15.540 And therefore, you know, people called Richard,

00:16:18.440 that's not a religion in the same way that Islam is.

00:16:21.520 Well, he's trying to make that point,

00:16:23.800 but obviously he's a bit flustered because you don't expect,

00:16:26.680 I mean, he should have expected, he'd called into James O'Brien,

00:16:29.480 but typically normal people don't expect to be met

00:16:32.020 with such blatant dishonesty in the responses, right?

00:16:36.380 Yeah.

00:16:36.580 And also he keeps getting cut off.

00:16:39.340 So he says, James carries on,

00:16:41.780 okay, then tell me why you haven't apologised for the shoe bomber

00:16:44.320 whose name was Richard,

00:16:45.340 because Abbas has to apologise for a terrorist

00:16:47.220 who said he was a Muslim.

00:16:48.440 Take all the time you want, mate.

00:16:50.520 And in my mind right now is that farmer saying,

00:16:53.020 I'm not your mate. 0.99

00:16:53.840 I hate you. 1.00

00:16:54.600 You're an idiot. 1.00

00:16:55.720 Okay, fine. 1.00

00:16:56.680 If we're going to say that people with the name Richard

00:16:59.060 are part of a shared ideological group,

00:17:02.360 all right, well, I just apologise for the Richards then.

00:17:04.480 Now where's my Muslim apology? 1.00

00:17:05.680 Yeah, just turn it back around at him,

00:17:09.260 just say, all right, I apologise for Richards.

00:17:11.140 All right, now Islam, pay up. 1.00

00:17:12.540 Yeah, but I'll just carry on until I get to the point

00:17:16.320 where I'm going to stop.

00:17:17.040 So Richard, okay, but these guys are from the Islamic community.

00:17:20.640 James, yes, and the shoe bomber was from the community

00:17:22.760 of people called Richard. 1.00

00:17:24.320 God, he's such an idiot. 1.00

00:17:25.500 Yeah. 1.00

00:17:25.780 He's such an idiot. 1.00

00:17:26.640 Richard. 1.00

00:17:27.140 All the Richards live together, don't they?

00:17:29.640 They have a whole group chat on WhatsApp.

00:17:32.040 They all coordinate with one another.

00:17:33.600 It's a Richard conspiracy.

00:17:34.340 As if there's a shared doctrine of Richard. 1.00

00:17:37.440 You moron, James. 1.00

00:17:38.660 You're an actual moron. 1.00

00:17:40.400 So Richard just responds, 1.00

00:17:42.000 it's difficult to argue against you when you're being like this.

00:17:45.140 I'm just trying to make a point that these people are from the Islamic community.

00:17:49.820 James, what does that even mean?

00:17:51.660 What does the Islamic community even mean?

00:17:54.080 Playing the hatchling.

00:17:54.960 What does that mean, James?

00:17:56.580 But I love it.

00:17:57.560 It's difficult to argue against you while you're being like this.

00:17:59.360 Well, that's why he's being like this, actually.

00:18:01.540 It reminds me, you know, we did that lads hour with that angry AI girlfriend. 1.00

00:18:06.060 Yeah.

00:18:07.000 It's basically that same sort of concept here.

00:18:10.360 You've got to get James O'Brien to admit, okay, maybe I'm a little bit angry.

00:18:14.600 Do you see what I mean, though, that James O'Brien does not come across better in his rhetoric when it's put on page? 1.00

00:18:21.120 It becomes even clearer how much of a blithering idiot he is. 0.97

00:18:26.300 Why would he choose that as one of his, like, showcase examples? 1.00

00:18:29.160 He does.

00:18:29.560 Every single one in this book is like that because...

00:18:32.760 That's a really bad example.

00:18:33.940 I don't think he has the...

00:18:35.800 Well, I think he looks back on these calls and goes, yeah, I showed him.

00:18:40.180 He's never going to recover from this one.

00:18:42.660 God, that's embarrassing. 0.98

00:18:44.020 It's ridiculous. 0.96

00:18:44.880 But then you get the idea of what he actually wants from his callers and the public at large

00:18:50.020 when he talks at the end of the chapter basically about a positive call he had with somebody

00:18:55.740 where somebody was calling in saying, I used to be obsessed with all of this stuff.

00:18:59.780 I was really worried about this stuff.

00:19:01.320 I was reading the EDL website and listening to Tommy Robinson, and then I just stopped.

00:19:07.740 And everything became better.

00:19:09.800 So it's a gentleman called Ray saying,

00:19:12.420 I was just listening to what you said about the internet melting our brains,

00:19:15.380 and I wanted to tell you what happened to me.

00:19:17.460 I don't really know any Muslims, but I started reading stuff online a few months ago,

00:19:21.240 the EDL in that, and the more I read, the angrier I got.

00:19:24.400 James, angry about what?

00:19:26.000 Ray, angry about these people poncing off us while plotting to kill us.

00:19:30.140 James, wow.

00:19:31.840 Ray, I know, but they'd back it up by quoting from the Quran or the Hadiths,

00:19:36.140 and kind of prove all their points about Muslims without actually ever talking to any.

00:19:40.240 Why would they matter to a Muslim? 1.00

00:19:42.280 Yeah, so he's using, so they backed it up with evidence and actual quotes, whereas...

00:19:47.500 The literal interpretation of their doctrine.

00:19:49.940 Yeah.

00:19:50.540 James, so what happened?

00:19:51.880 Ray, well, my wife told me to stop.

00:19:53.840 James, what do you mean?

00:19:55.040 Ray, I was getting angry with her, with the family, with everyone really.

00:19:58.340 I'd start trying to convince everyone that we were under siege, and they just couldn't

00:20:01.760 see it, because they've not looked into it, because it's being kept from them, the mainstream

00:20:07.760 media don't report on it, James O'Brien doesn't want you to know about it.

00:20:10.820 If he had that conversation again, it would be a much easier sell, wouldn't it, to most

00:20:16.160 of his family?

00:20:16.880 This was in 2018.

00:20:18.340 Yeah, most of the people I've spoke to...

00:20:20.180 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:20:20.580 Well, if it's the EDL website, it might be early in the 2010s.

00:20:23.640 I don't think I've spoke to a single person who doesn't admit that there's a problem with

00:20:27.840 Islam in this country.

00:20:28.820 Not one, no matter what their politics is.

00:20:30.320 Even my leftist friends, yeah, they're starting to come around to it as well.

00:20:33.460 But he just carries on saying, Ray, the wife said I was making myself ill and making her

00:20:37.960 unhappy, and she told me to leave the laptop under the sofa for a month.

00:20:41.780 James, what happened?

00:20:42.840 Ray, I was sorted in less than a week.

00:20:45.280 Never look at that stuff anymore.

00:20:46.820 Couldn't be happier.

00:20:47.680 Ignorance is bliss.

00:20:48.540 Yep, blissful ignorance.

00:20:50.040 And that's what James is saying, you as the, you know, loyal NPC leader... 0.99

00:20:55.860 Just remain ignorant, and I'm great. 0.98

PREVIEW： Book Club #65 ｜ James O'Brien's How To be Right

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