The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - PREVIEW： Brokenomics ｜ Conspiracies

00:00:00.720 Hello and welcome to Brokernomics. Now a couple of episodes ago I was doing a predictions on 2025

00:00:07.680 and the sort of things that Trump might do when he comes into office and one of those things

00:00:11.920 was he could reveal information on so-called conspiracy theories, confirming them one way or

00:00:17.200 another. We speculated on that and I idly mentioned during that bit that wouldn't it be fun if me and

00:00:23.440 Beau sat down and had a proper back and forth on some of these conspiracy things. Anyway you,

00:00:28.400 the lovely audience were quite unanimous that that was indeed something you wanted to see and so Beau

00:00:35.120 joins me to do exactly that. All right. Yes. I'm looking forward to this. Absolutely right. Well

00:00:41.600 look what I've got is 31 conspiracy theories. Quote unquote. Yes, yes quite. Well the first seven have

00:00:50.720 basically been admitted at this point they just said oh yeah we did that. Hopefully we can bang

00:00:56.640 this out in one part but if it does get spicy well we'll see how we go. But anyway we do a little

00:01:03.520 bit shall we on the ones that we were told were definitely definitely conspiracy theories

00:01:10.080 but then they said later yeah yeah we did that. They have since been proven to be real. First on the list is

00:01:15.360 MKUltra. Right, yeah. So do you want to tell them about that or shall I? Well so it's up to you but

00:01:22.240 yeah there's lots about that. It's sort of certainly the case that it was real. So they basically gave

00:01:26.560 people drugs. People didn't know they were being given drugs. I think they started off giving it to

00:01:32.320 John's in whorehouses and then they basically just spread it and they just oh let's just let's 0.98

00:01:37.520 just give loads of people drugs and see what happens. So nowadays from multiple different

00:01:43.120 sources of people that have retired basically it's come out that it's all true really.

00:01:51.760 Because for a while LSD was a part of it wasn't it? A big part of it. Yes. For a while quite a few

00:01:57.600 years LSD wasn't illegal because it's new it's a synthetic drug it's man-made right. There's hallucinogens

00:02:03.360 that occur naturally in in nature but LSD itself is completely man-made. So in the first few years

00:02:09.840 there was no legislation banning it and in that window of time not just the American intelligence

00:02:15.040 services but various other intelligence services thought they'd just experiment. It might be a way to

00:02:20.720 melt people's minds to the point where they don't know what's going on and you can actually get

00:02:25.200 information out of them. Now remember it's the Cold War though. I'm not trying to give them a pass or

00:02:29.280 trying to justify it or anything. During the height of the Cold War the 50s 60s and even into the 70s

00:02:36.480 organizations like the CIA were looking to do anything they could. Well they're doing lots of

00:02:42.320 weird stuff. Anything they could. They even had a unit set up to investigate the paranormal and

00:02:47.440 psychic connections and stuff like that. The men that stare at goats. Yes. Yes exactly. Interestingly they

00:02:53.520 did actually get one useful bit of technology out of that. What was that? So what they did is they hooked

00:02:58.480 people's brains up to these things to monitor their thoughts and they're trying to you know connect

00:03:03.200 with psychic connections and stuff like that and it turns out that what you could do with this is that

00:03:10.800 you could connect people's brains up right and you could show them a picture of say like a tank or an

00:03:15.200 airplane and you would record the signal that it makes when they saw that and then what you could do

00:03:21.040 is you could show somebody a rapid series of thousands of aerial photos far too quick for the

00:03:28.240 person to say oh yeah there was a tank in one of those or there was a plane in one of those but

00:03:32.960 nevertheless the little brain spike still happened. So you could use the human computer to scan a vast

00:03:39.200 amount of it. They don't need to do it now because of AI but there was that period where it was actually

00:03:43.760 a useful bit of one thing that actually came out from that. That is interesting. I mean one of the

00:03:48.720 things for example there were even some British spies that talked to the Americans admitted that the

00:03:57.840 Americans people like James Angleton were into all this sort of thing. The idea being that if they got

00:04:04.720 it's all about agents and double agents you want to know what's really true so say you get a Soviet 0.66

00:04:12.240 defector you want to know whether he's a fake defector or not because there's this whole idea of

00:04:18.720 fake defectors that the Soviets let someone in inverted commas defect but actually they're only

00:04:24.960 ever going to peddle misinformation. Yes. That's sort of a classic espionage thing to do. That's quite clever.

00:04:30.400 Yeah. We did it to the Nazis loads during World War II the Brits. We sort of was the best at that at 1.00

00:04:36.160 that time. So if you've got a defector you want to know or if you've got a double agent you're running

00:04:43.040 a double agent when they come back you want to know they're definitely telling you the truth.

00:04:45.840 You give them LSD for that. Well so they didn't really know what you could or couldn't do with LSD.

00:04:50.080 All they knew is that it warped your mind and it changed your sense of perception and maybe they

00:04:55.040 could use it as some sort of truth serum. You can't really. Right. But they didn't know that.

00:04:59.520 I wouldn't be surprised if they have got a truth serum. Well there's certain drugs which make you

00:05:04.240 more or less likely to tell the truth. Yeah. Like some people can beat a lie detector the machine.

00:05:10.560 Some people can. Most people can't but some people can. So some people are susceptible to

00:05:16.560 a truth serum. A lot of people aren't particularly if you're trained or all sorts of things. I mean they

00:05:21.360 would do anything to sort of break you. You know things like put you in a completely white room

00:05:27.040 with no windows and the light never going off for days and days and days. So you've got no

00:05:33.360 sense of there's various ways to try and break people's will try and get them to tell the truth

00:05:38.480 least of all just torture. Right. Usually torture usually not always but usually torture will work.

00:05:46.560 I've always thought that. I've always heard. Everyone's got a breaking point. Nearly everyone.

00:05:50.080 That was the thing during the Obama room. They kept on saying torture doesn't work and I just thought

00:05:53.760 I bet it does. Yeah.

00:05:55.920 Well the problem is that you might end up breaking them so thoroughly that they'll admit to anything.

00:06:00.000 That's the problem. It's funny in the ancient world or in the medieval world certainly in

00:06:04.160 ancient Rome they thought the evidence given under torture was more reliable. Yes.

00:06:08.880 Than if you weren't under torture. So you would almost certainly get tortured. Anyway. Anyway.

00:06:13.360 The thing with MKUltra is this idea of trying to it's just to experiment to see what can or couldn't

00:06:19.600 be done with all sorts of drugs but particularly LSD. Right.

00:06:23.120 And well or mescaline or there's different forms there's all different types of drugs that they can

00:06:29.840 do. Right. I mean even Alan Dulles the head of the CIA. Coming back to him.

00:06:35.600 He allowed his son to be experimented on mildly. Right.

00:06:41.760 His son got wounded. Was it in Korea or Vietnam? I think it was Korea. He got badly wounded like

00:06:47.760 trapped in the head or something like that. Shot in the head but not killed. But he was sort of

00:06:52.240 he was sort of disabled for the rest of his life. Right. 0.51

00:06:54.640 And so they put him into like a hospital. Right.

00:06:58.400 Where you stay forever sort of a hospital. More like a long long long term hospice where you're just

00:07:04.160 cared for. And the CIA came to him and said can we try stuff on him? And I said yeah.

00:07:11.520 To be fair I mean that that seems like I mean if you're in a hospital and you can't move for the rest

00:07:16.960 of your life I mean I think you should be allowed psychedelics. Right.

00:07:21.120 Anyway. Anyway. Moving on. Operation Northwood. So a false flag to basically justify intervention

00:07:31.200 in the Cuba. I mean this was this one was this was really bad wasn't it? Well yeah morally.

00:07:36.880 Yeah. Well ethically. They were basically talking about committing terrorist acts killing American

00:07:42.400 people to justify a war. A theme that might come up more or less.

00:07:50.880 So that concept is not new. No. Of course. It's not like the CIA or the NSA or whoever

00:07:59.200 dreamt up something like the concept of that. That's very very old. Yes. To pretend you've been

00:08:04.000 attacked. Yes. And therefore you've got a casus belli. Yes. A cause for war somewhere. But to I mean

00:08:10.320 I believe in Operation Northwoods it was stuff like blowing up an airplane or hijacking airplanes. Yes.

00:08:15.920 Stuff like that. Like really bad stuff. High casualty stuff. Oh yeah. Really bad stuff.

00:08:20.480 I mean to be fair they didn't actually do it in the end and that's why this one has been declassified

00:08:25.280 because it was oh it was is it Kennedy Kennedy stopped it he said no you're not doing that. Yeah.

00:08:30.800 So all the other times they might have done that it hasn't been declassified since.

00:08:35.760 Yeah. To see syphilis experiments so basically they is it I think they gave a load of black guys 0.93

00:08:43.520 syphilis or no they they got a whole load of black guys who had syphilis and they said oh don't worry 0.98

00:08:49.440 we're going to treat you but they didn't they just watched to see what happened to them.

00:08:54.560 Probably shouldn't have done that. Again ethically. Yeah.

00:08:57.760 It's pretty bad isn't it. Yeah. But then again I'm not trying to run interference for anything like

00:09:05.520 that but it's not like that's the only example like the U.S. are like uniquely evil or anything.

00:09:12.480 Um all throughout time they've done stuff like that. Like um deliberately basically um letting

00:09:20.800 plague victims succumb so you could see so you could gain information. There was one guy in Japan

00:09:28.720 um he got in like not that long ago I think it was like maybe the 90s the 80s or 90s

00:09:34.400 um he got an insanely high dose of radiation poisoning by accident completely by accident.

00:09:39.600 It's like a research chap and he got like hundreds of hundreds of times the legal dose

00:09:44.720 and he was going to die within days no matter what. And um the Japanese 1.00

00:09:51.920 uh basically kept him alive for as long as possible. They could have let him slip away.

00:09:58.160 But they mean they they pumped him full of drugs to keep him alive for as long as possible

00:10:02.240 so you can see so they could see because it was like a unique case. We've never had someone with

00:10:07.760 this much radiation poisoning. We really want to know what it does to the body. So they kept him

00:10:13.280 alive and it's to the point where um your body can't even take on morphine or diamorphine anymore.

00:10:22.320 So using like the worst type of excruciating pain you're literally liquefying in real time

00:10:28.720 and they couldn't even they kept him alive longer than he need be alive just to see what happened.

00:10:34.800 So that does sound quite villainous that one. Yeah that is sort of right into the realms of evil.

00:10:40.800 But syphilis as I understand it um in its last stages is terrible. You go mad.

00:10:48.560 It's um I don't know if you've ever seen people that are suffering from the last stages of um rabies.

00:10:53.680 Right. Um it's sort of nightmarish. Um okay. So yeah it's pretty pretty evil.

00:11:01.600 And they denied that they were doing it but yeah I mean all of all of these ones um were denied and

00:11:05.760 then it's like oh yeah we are. Um NSA mass surveillance. So this is the one that um Edward

00:11:11.840 Snowden blew the lid on. Yeah. In fact I think even the the director of the CIA basically perjured

00:11:18.720 himself in front of a congressional committee when he went out and said no we're definitely

00:11:24.000 not doing this and then the Snowden leaks proved that yes you were absolutely doing this all along.

00:11:30.240 So um and again uh this was supposed to be something that was just a mad conspiracy theory

00:11:35.040 but yeah just without a doubt it was happening. It's one of those things the NSA it's sort of what

00:11:40.560 they're meant to do. It was like at some point in the um I've mentioned it recently a couple times

00:11:47.360 here or there so I'm loathe to mention it again but I will do there's a very very great book called uh

00:11:52.240 Spirecatcher by a British very senior MI5 chap called Peter Wright. He was so senior he was never

00:11:59.760 actually the head of MI5 he was right at the top um to the point where he would go over and talk to

00:12:04.880 people at the very top of the CIA, the FBI, NSA. He talked to people at the very top of MI6, of GCHQ.

00:12:13.040 He was he was sort of an intelligence services royalty type dude and in the 80s I believe it was he retired

00:12:20.400 and had an axe to grind and wrote a book, Spirecatcher. Um and he talks about uh in passing but

00:12:28.640 does talk about how signals intelligence i.e listening in on people has been is a giant

00:12:37.200 part of what the intelligence services have always done and always do. Now we live in the

00:12:42.080 post radio era we live in just the full digital age where it's possible for organizations like GCHQ or

00:12:51.120 the NSA to basically listen in on anyone's phone like Snowden told us this. Every single phone if they

00:12:57.360 want to they can just turn it into a mic and just listen yes they can just watch through your camera

00:13:02.560 on your phone or your laptop or whatever they can the NSA can do that whenever they don't want

00:13:07.520 whenever they want and record anything they want basically um and uh but it's sort of the whole point

00:13:15.760 of it though that was it's not like by accident it's not like the NSA were like oh maybe we could

00:13:20.080 actually do this evil thing no that was always the idea that was always the idea so um yeah the fact

00:13:27.120 that they tried to deny it it's just it's just great justice that somebody like Snowden

00:13:32.480 came out good chance good good egg is said it's real on a very similar note Cointelpro so this was

00:13:38.160 an FBI operation spying on disruptive political groups um i mean i like the idea of it well it depends

00:13:48.000 what they if they deem you whoever you are yes uh to be one of their among their enemies or not

00:13:54.240 when they're blatantly still doing this now yeah of course yeah yeah so this came out um at the same

00:13:59.120 time as a number of things in the early 70s and sort of the church committees there's a senator church

00:14:07.280 um did a congressional committee and i think um one of the rockefellas as a senator did a senatorial

00:14:13.680 hearing and in the early 70s when they were trying to re-look into the JFK stuff they basically did a

00:14:19.840 semi hangout you know the idea of a full hangout yeah um they sort of did a semi

00:14:27.680 revealing the curtain to a degree on a bunch of the stuff that the american intelligence services

00:14:32.640 were doing in the early 70s and this was one of the things that came out there um

00:14:37.760 but the fbi have always been a political oh yeah organ have they always have they always been

00:14:46.560 the paramilitary wing of the democrat party not exactly i don't think that's fair not always no

00:14:51.760 certainly not no because they are now yeah right so it would depend so for example for the the the

00:14:59.280 longest time uh jaker hoover was the head of them and he was no lefty right he was no lefty so

00:15:07.840 yeah they weren't i mean the democrat party's only been crazily left in recent times yeah so if you're

00:15:13.520 going back if you're talking about the the 50s or the 30s or something then the fbi certainly weren't

00:15:18.560 that i mean to begin with the fbi when they were first sort of founded there was this sort of red scare

00:15:23.680 soon between the wars soon after world war one like the 20s in america they're scared that these reds 0.99

00:15:30.000 uh these bolsheviks were going to come over and subvert america in all sorts of ways and that was 1.00

00:15:34.800 one one of the reasons why the fbi was set up in the first place was to fight the combat commies so

00:15:41.280 that's why i say from the beginning they've always been a political tool they haven't always been

00:15:46.960 uh at war with sort of conservatives and christians and whoever uh but yeah it's always just a while

00:15:53.760 it's always been these days they're going after like church groups and you know parents

00:15:58.800 meetings because they don't like that trannyism is getting pushed on their kids at school and all 1.00

00:16:02.880 that kind of thing well i have been because it it depends who you've got in the leadership right

00:16:07.520 if you've got a load of lefties in the leadership making the decisions then yeah that's what you'll get

00:16:12.720 yeah but you could swap them out for for sort of right-wing patriots and send them after the left

00:16:20.080 again that's a good idea we should do that um iran contra this was a bit mental this one

00:16:27.600 what's the short version of this bow well this is in the reagan days isn't it yes um the idea that um

00:16:35.280 um well you mentioned that oliver north was like this general um because the cia will and the actual

00:16:43.920 full military the pentagon there's a big overlap there and um it was to do with nicaragua wasn't it

00:16:50.160 yeah the nicaragua contras well there's a lot of stuff in there gun running drug running right um the

00:16:56.960 short of it is is that there was a paramilitary in nicaragua um that the reagan or the united states

00:17:07.120 uh wanted to prop up and back up but of course they were like pretty evil dudes or killers

00:17:12.240 you know like go around with uh kill gangs or whatever doing all sorts of messed up pretty horrible

00:17:18.800 stuff and uh they were being helped backed funded or whatever by the united states with the help of the

00:17:25.440 say men like oliver north and just for a while they just said no we you know we've got nothing

00:17:31.440 to do with it we don't know we don't we didn't do nothing and then it turns out they they just were

00:17:36.240 and in the end oliver north goes before a congressional hearing and would that have been when george bush

00:17:44.640 senior was head of the cia was he already vice president by then i'm not sure it would be in

00:17:50.560 and around then i'm not sure exactly but it's just this thing that they denied denied denied

00:17:55.280 oh no it is real it's just an example of that yes we wouldn't do anything so evil but yeah no we

00:18:00.480 did yes it's one of them gulf of tonkin incident um i don't know why we got that one as opposed to

00:18:07.040 the uss liberty but i mean i suppose um that they're both off a similar vein well the gulf of tonkin is

00:18:12.800 just like uh an operation northwards but they obviously yes well so what it was in the gulf of tonkin

00:18:18.560 um they they said the us military or the navy said that they'd been fired on by uh vietnamese

00:18:27.360 or north vietnamese i guess it would have been yes um and uh it just it just wasn't true or there

00:18:32.080 was like a really small fishing boat or something i can't remember all the details of it um but they

00:18:37.440 just made out that they'd been fired upon and now they've got a case of spell to go to but it's what

00:18:41.040 you said before it's let's pretend we've been attacked so we got an excuse to to go to war oh i

00:18:46.400 know why it's not the uss liberty because they still deny that one we're on the list of things

00:18:49.680 that um is apparently denied but they said you know we've this this aggression we've been

00:18:56.720 aggressed against yes so we must go to war and it was just wasn't real yes like they've lied just

00:19:01.920 completely lied really about the details of it so those are the ones that we know were conspiracy

00:19:08.880 theories until they were proved true and there's not no dispute anymore all of those seven are things

00:19:14.320 that did happen and so you were right if you were if you were a conspiracy theorist saying it

00:19:19.680 beforehand one thing i would say though because i say no is is that this list you put together this

00:19:24.240 list yes i'll just say it's very very us heavy um yes um all other countries including britain

00:19:31.440 have done stuff like this yes um well you had to limit it a bit because otherwise we could be here for

00:19:37.360 a while sure i don't i feel like we're just completely dunking on the united states they've got some of the

00:19:42.720 the most egregious or they've been caught with their hand in the honey jar so to speak quite

00:19:46.960 badly a number of times in recent decades but like during the 18th or 19th century britain would do

00:19:52.080 stuff like this say oh we've been aggressed on by oh yeah if by these people or wherever somewhere

00:19:56.720 in india so we must go to war you could have loads of this if you wanted to include the british during

00:20:02.000 the two wars and the and the sort of empire you'd have you'd have quite a long list well the french

00:20:07.760 did yes russians do this sort of stuff all the time yes the russia soviet era of russia uh they 0.77

00:20:13.760 they they did they did crazy liars yes crazy crazy liars about all sorts of stuff but i think more 0.55

00:20:18.400 people would have heard about right because basically these ones crop up in films more yeah so and and

00:20:24.400 and these ones and and america has been the the hegemon for the last few decades and therefore

00:20:28.960 that this stuff is a bit higher profile and i think kudos must be given to countries that do

00:20:35.120 eventually even if it's against a lot of people's will own up to it so for example a lot of the liars

00:20:40.400 that went on during the soviet period to this day they've never admitted it yes or will never admit

00:20:45.440 how many of those did the us government willingly admit to well if you take the iran contra affair

00:20:52.480 for example in oliver north right it's the congress so congress and the senate or the or the the

00:21:00.480 congressional assassination hearings where something like uh m culture or cointelpro came out it's the

00:21:08.080 united states that are actually washing their dirty laundry in public that's better than what the

00:21:14.800 soviets do where they just deny it for all time it was a separate wing of government it wasn't like the

00:21:18.880 intelligence agencies themselves just best started yeah that's fair point yes that's a fair point um

00:21:23.600 right so let's move on to conspiracies that trump could potentially validate top of the list is the

00:21:29.760 jfk assassination files um so the argument is some chap took a a very long very lucky shot from the

00:21:39.280 distance and he did it completely by himself and it was a big shock is that where you are uh well for

00:21:47.200 a start it was actually quite close range oh was it yeah as far as rifle is concerned it was very

00:21:51.840 close yeah right okay but that's besides the point that's a minor detail really um yeah there's the um

00:21:57.840 there's the official account of what happened and uh it for me to my mind it's just complete nonsense

00:22:05.920 right you've wrote a very good article that's still on the lotus eaters website didn't you that

00:22:10.160 thanks yeah yeah that went into this yeah yeah um okay so where to start talking about jfk

00:22:16.640 um so after it happened yeah the new pres lbj launches the warren commission the investigation

00:22:24.720 into it yes and that's headed by uh justice earl warren who's on the supreme court and he's cleaner

00:22:32.320 than clean yeah um so but the people they put on that commission among them jerry ford and alan dulles

00:22:40.640 himself well alan dulles is is if you were going to list suspects of somebody behind the scenes

00:22:45.920 doing some dodgy stuff alan dulles would be very high up on that list it's like putting the chief

00:22:50.240 suspect in a murder as the judge of a yes of a case a murder case yes yeah or on the jury of it so

00:22:57.200 what do you think because because i i have i have seen the argument that actually it was a lone wolf and

00:23:03.120 it was it was um the u.s government itself that put forward all this conspiracy stuff

00:23:09.360 to distract from people from how badly they screwed up on something as basic as presidential security

00:23:15.040 well see that's the classic muddying of the waters yes right that's i don't go with that one myself

00:23:19.760 classic classic thing um what do you think actually happens okay what i think happened yeah was the

00:23:28.080 uh john kennedy had pissed off a great number of people people in the mafia people in the

00:23:38.480 intelligence services people in the deep state uh people that are sort of um uh national security

00:23:47.120 advisor level people extremely powerful people oil big big oil interests people like the the rockefeller

00:23:54.560 brothers so the who who's of powerful people then he had annoyed he had really pissed off or screwed

00:24:00.320 with their money screwed with their power with extremely rich and powerful segments of of american society

00:24:08.320 and um the cia at that point in the early 60s um had had a number of successes if you want to call it that

00:24:17.440 with assassinations they did assassinations all over the world uh at least of all trying to get castro

00:24:27.120 and when um when john kennedy fired alan dulles as head of the cia he basically formally wasn't the head

00:24:36.080 anymore um but he still controlled he still controlled the cia so alan dulles had been fired

00:24:43.520 but he very quickly came back after the assassination didn't he well he didn't come back as

00:24:49.200 the as the head of the cia no no but he went only went he went back into a prominent set of

00:24:55.200 positions including the war on commission right yeah so there's senior guys at the cia at the time

00:25:00.640 are people like dick helms richard helms who went on to head the cia himself uh james jesus angleton

00:25:07.840 uh bill harvey there's a load of names yes of of badass serious people we know they were still 0.74

00:25:16.560 taking orders from alan dulles from alan dulles's home after he had been fired right that's definitely

00:25:22.160 again this is definitely a match of record there's a great book called the devil's chessboard all about

00:25:27.280 this quite a long book it shows you in massive detail i think because lbj is wrapped up in it as well

00:25:34.960 he needed to he was good he was john kennedy's vp and john kennedy was almost certainly going to

00:25:42.800 knock him off the ticket for the re-election campaign and then and lbj was a was an insider's

00:25:48.320 man wasn't oh yeah he was like an oil interest yeah yeah yeah and he was almost certainly going

00:25:54.080 to get prosecuted for all sorts of stuff when he left office so a bit like julius caesar in order to

00:26:00.240 avoid that you can you can have presidential immunity in other words it was massively massively

00:26:07.920 in lbj's interest if john kennedy died right so there's that and alan dulles and lots and lots of

00:26:15.520 other people lots of people benefited from john kennedy dying so how did they make that happen i think

00:26:22.880 i think they had at least two if not three shooters in dealey plaza that day oh really i

00:26:30.480 think it was a triangulation and where i think there may have been a shooter in the book depository

00:26:36.400 building right there may well have been there may have been one on on another roof overlooking that

00:26:42.480 particular plaza i think there was a triangle i think there was probably like something like seven

00:26:49.280 shots fired not just three or four i think there was there was there was a number of shots rang out

00:26:56.000 um i i think there's definitely a shooter and a spotter on the grassy knoll they've been talking to

00:27:04.480 the talk of badge man right um so i think there was a number of shooters and i think now this is

00:27:12.080 this is intelligent services stuff 101 is muddying the waters so what you do is you get a patsy that's

00:27:21.200 what that's what um lee oswald said he was i.e a scapegoat you get other people that are plausibly

00:27:30.160 guilty of it you put them in the right place at the right time and then you pin everything on them so

00:27:35.120 do you think that lee harvey oswald actually took a shot no i don't think so no at most he might

00:27:41.840 have been a spotter but i don't think so no so he was he was just attending work and he had his

00:27:47.680 rifle with him that day as simple as that but he didn't even have a rifle with him he took a package

00:27:52.720 to work with him that day which people say wasn't long enough to be a rifle it wasn't a rifle but this

00:27:57.200 is the whole point of it this is the whole point of the smoke and mirrors the fun and games yeah is

00:28:02.640 that you make it confusing so lee harvey oswald he had the fingerprints of intelligence all over him

00:28:11.840 he was deep in the intelligence game or not actually that deep but he was involved in stuff

00:28:18.960 massively he he was a um an asset of theirs yeah big time big time and sort of so okay quick

00:28:27.920 rundown of lee harvey oswald right he he'd been in the marines and then he was sort of spirited off to

00:28:35.760 work in japan on the u2 project you know the u2 spy plane oh right not you don't use most people

00:28:43.120 don't go from being a marine corps private to working on intelligence analysis of the u2

00:28:49.680 no right so and then after so that's weird then after that he did some other weird stuff that a

00:28:54.880 normal very young that's a 21 22 year old private in the marines you wouldn't just get to work on and

00:29:01.600 then he defects to the soviet union again he's still very young he's in his early 20s he defects

00:29:07.200 to the soviet union just one day turns up at the soviet soviet soviet consulate saying i want to

00:29:14.080 defect i'm disaffected with capitalism i'm actually a a marxist i want to defect do you think that was

00:29:21.040 genuine or was that or was that a double agent almost certainly not no they're almost certainly

00:29:24.400 trying to run a double agent right the american intelligence services like go over there pretend

00:29:29.600 to be defecting get whatever information you can that's a very useful patsy both sides both sides

00:29:36.560 do that sort of stuff all the time yes that's not that crazy it's kind of both sides will be doing

00:29:42.160 stuff all the time the point is the point i'm trying to make is that lee harvey oswald was was in the

00:29:47.680 intelligence game of smoke and mirrors anyway he lives in russia for like what was it a year or two or

00:29:52.240 something he gets a russian wife the soviets see it coming a mile away they're like okay you're

00:29:56.960 defecting yeah okay and they're like okay we'll put you we'll give you a flat somewhere and sort of

00:30:02.800 nowhere near any military bases or anything we'll give you a crappy job in a factory we're not going

00:30:07.120 to let you anywhere near state secrets you're kidding me anyway after a while um his handlers or lee

00:30:13.200 hovey as well himself realizes he's not going to get any secrets so he defects re-defects back to the

00:30:18.880 united states okay when he did that nothing happened if he was a legit defector who wanted to

00:30:25.680 come back he would have been debriefed by the fbi or whoever thoroughly he would have been under the

00:30:31.760 spotlight of the police and they decided to find another but they just let him back they just let

00:30:35.840 him back in right because obviously well because he's got the fingerprints of intelligence all over

00:30:40.320 him that's just the tip of the iceberg that's just the tip of the iceberg of lee harvey oswald the

00:30:44.480 point is lee harvey oswald was absolutely involved in the whole game of smoke and mirrors so but but

00:30:53.600 he's a very young dude he's in his 20s he's trying to make a career trying to make a name for himself

00:30:59.280 doing whatever he feels he sort of has to need to do and so i think what happened with d lee plaza

00:31:05.280 in the 60th november 63 is that he's just he's just a play thing to them he's just something they can

00:31:11.360 discard he's a nobody well so they put him in the right place just about the right place so that

00:31:18.320 they he can be used as a scapegoat and he was almost certainly supposed to die that day in some sort of

00:31:24.080 shootout or something or other so he can never because the thing i find suspicious is is he died

00:31:28.160 very quickly afterwards was it ruby jack ruby yeah jack ruby jack rubenstein jack rubenstein exactly he he

00:31:37.200 takes him out very quickly and then very quickly after that jack rubenstein himself meets a rather

00:31:44.080 unfortunate um he just died of cancer yes apparently but it's apparently a cancer that came on very

00:31:50.560 quickly and like why wasn't he put on trial and scrutinized by barristers or lawyers straight away

00:32:01.200 the thing that makes the whole jfk thing for me and for most people actually sort of glow as

00:32:08.800 obviously some sort of contrived smoke and mirrors game is the jack ruby that jack ruby comes out of

00:32:17.520 the crowd from nowhere and silences leave half yours one that's where at that point anyone that's being

00:32:21.680 honest with themselves says there's something extremely suspicious going on the idea that jack ruby because

00:32:28.080 the the rationale that was supposed to be that jack ruby was just he loved jfk this is the story

00:32:34.160 jack ruby loved jfk so much that he couldn't stand that this assassin could go on living yes don't

00:32:41.520 worry about justice or anything it's just he couldn't stand him still being alive so he felt the need to 0.88

00:32:45.840 murder him immediately that's nonsense that's obviously childish nonsense leharve yourself was silenced 0.57

00:32:55.040 in the dallas police station yes he couldn't possibly testify so right so this this thing of jack ruby 0.98

00:33:03.920 literally coming out of the crowd with a gun and shooting it's like suddenly oh yeah everything about

00:33:09.520 this is now really really really suspicious yes so i think that um it was a cia op basically done by

00:33:19.360 probably someone like bill harvey or um james angleton and they used all they used all the tools at their

00:33:27.920 disposal to make it confusing and to muddy the waters to the point where even years later they'll

00:33:34.720 still be talking about how there's the warren commission is infallible it was certainly lee harvey

00:33:40.240 oswald on his own yes there was only four shots do you think trump is gonna spill the beans on this

00:33:46.080 one well he said he would i don't know if he will um thing is over the years quite a lot of the

00:33:54.160 information has actually come out that was one of the things i talked i've talked about before it's like

00:33:59.680 one of their last straws they can pull is insisting that it's still a mystery if you actually look at

00:34:05.040 it with clear eyes it's not that mysterious yes all right and so anyway over the years a lot of

00:34:09.760 detail has come out in the early 70s when they had hearings into it a lot came out uh george bush jr

00:34:16.400 released some uh documents um i think trump first time around released some documents i suspect i i fear

00:34:27.040 that there's not that much left to come out there'll be some but there won't be a so-called smoking gun

00:34:32.960 where you've already got you've already got enough to see it clearly if you just look i think if there

00:34:37.920 were documents or pictures or something or other which showed absolutely conclusively 100 slam dunk

00:34:46.720 this was a cia operation yes i would have thought that decades ago they would have gone in and

00:34:54.320 lost that that evidence i suspect if say you could go in there and you with with the hand of god

00:35:00.160 find all the documents that are left extent um it still wouldn't necessarily show like a bit of

00:35:07.120 paper where alan dulles signs at the bottom yes saying james angleton put a kill team together to

00:35:13.360 whack jfk signed alan dulles i don't think a bit of paper like that exists if there was ever one

00:35:19.840 actually the reason why i think he probably won't is because it's probably understood because it would

00:35:25.360 have been passed down from senior person to senior person that yeah we did we did take out the

00:35:30.160 president so it's probably known even if it can't be physically proved with a piece of paper like you

00:35:35.040 say with somebody signing at the bottom go and get it there's probably still something that they can

00:35:40.640 release but i don't think trump will because it's a stick to beat the intelligence services with he could

00:35:45.200 always say play along or yeah yeah maybe yeah possibly maybe or enough time has passed now

00:35:54.800 it's like still a big thing i know the intelligence agency taking out their own president especially

00:36:00.160 given that you could argue that maybe they might have done that a fair bit more recently trump just

00:36:05.680 turned his head at the last moment yeah quite possibly yeah um i mean there's other things not

00:36:12.640 necessarily like an actual signed order from alan dulles to kill john kennedy but there might be

00:36:17.440 other things like for example most people think that there's well there's images of jfk's uh autopsy

00:36:25.440 apparently right and it shows it shows like the back of his head or the back of somebody's head

00:36:32.880 with a very small entry wound in the back of his head because official stories he was shot from behind

00:36:38.160 right um and a fairly large exit wound on the front now the doctors at parkland hospital where he was

00:36:46.000 rushed straight after the incident um all the doctors at parkland say no the back of his head was blown

00:36:52.960 out there was like a baseball sized massive exit wound on the back of jfk's head right right all the

00:37:00.480 doctors say that that's the eyewitness testimony from very very good eyewitnesses and yet these so-called

00:37:06.560 autopsy photos don't show that so so wait what are we looking at them who's who is that the back of

00:37:14.000 john kennedy's head or somebody else some other whether it's some other or it's or some yeah some

00:37:20.800 some cadaver or whatever it was yeah maybe there's some sort of evidence around that portion of the

00:37:28.800 cover-up yes maybe and you like to think if they just did dump all of the documents you'd be especially

00:37:35.920 with the ai now you'd be able to piece it together in such a way that it was but then like you say it's

00:37:40.960 already there you've already got enough to to see this clearly so yeah yeah i i don't know i don't know

00:37:48.720 i hope they release stuff and actually do a full hangout and actually come clean about exactly what

00:37:53.120 really happened yeah i really do hope so and i think that's admirable even if it's decades later

00:37:59.760 to actually own up to what you did it is the right thing to do yes we will see on that one a slightly

00:38:07.280 more modern example the epstein uh network so the jeffrey epstein operation when he was clearly

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - January 27, 2025

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