The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - March 10, 2026


PREVIEW: Brokenomics | Dutch Madness: Unrealised Capital Gains Tax


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In this episode of Berkonomics, I talk about the most insane policy the Dutch government have ever introduced, and why it's going to kill us all. I mean, seriously, this is like a poison dart with depleted uranium and bloody anthrax in the core, fired straight into the heart of the Dutch people. It's mad.

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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to Berkonomics.
00:00:24.780 Now, in this episode, I wanted to talk about the maddest stuff, just absolutely insane policy that I think I've ever seen.
00:00:36.300 I mean, this is a true poison dart.
00:00:39.880 This is a high-velocity shell with depleted uranium tip and bloody anthrax in the core fired straight into the heart of the Dutch people.
00:00:54.780 It is mad.
00:00:56.500 So basically, the Dutch parliament have decided that they want to impose a 36%.
00:01:05.080 Now, bear in mind, this is a country that already has a top-rated tax of 52%.
00:01:08.780 They now want to impose their 36% unrealized capital gains annually.
00:01:18.080 Right?
00:01:20.160 So if you have an asset and it goes up in value, before you've even sold it, before you've got the cash, they're going to tax you just because it went up on the last day of the year.
00:01:30.800 I mean, okay, have you, the best way that I can describe it is, have you ever watched Game of Thrones?
00:01:38.480 You know, that bit where the red viper and he's fighting the mountain.
00:01:43.560 And, and he does quite well at first.
00:01:46.380 And then, and then he gets his head crushed by the mountain.
00:01:49.940 Right?
00:01:50.380 And then they immediately cut to the viper's woman, who's just, you know, watching this.
00:01:56.880 And she sees her man's head just be explode.
00:02:00.640 And she's all like, ah, like that, that was my reaction to this Dutch tax.
00:02:07.540 It's absolutely, I just, well, I mean, I'll go through it, but the point is, I'm not impressed.
00:02:13.560 So anyway, right.
00:02:14.980 Get a bit, a bit, a bit more analytical.
00:02:16.520 So, so the Dutch, they've imposed this, you know, what, what they're calling, um, so they did have a system called box three.
00:02:23.660 Right.
00:02:24.180 And, and what that did is, is it taxed savings and investments, um, but it did not tax, um, actual returns.
00:02:31.520 Right.
00:02:32.160 What it did is it was, it was a deemed return tax.
00:02:36.360 So the base basically assumes that you earn a fixed percentage depending on a certain asset type.
00:02:42.300 Um, and it ran into trouble because basically they're just making up a tax bill.
00:02:46.520 They assume if you've got this, you're probably going to earn this and therefore we're going to tax you that.
00:02:51.020 Right.
00:02:51.840 And, and the Dutch courts, um, looked at that and said, well, that's nonsense, isn't it?
00:02:55.860 You're taxing fictional returns.
00:02:58.120 And especially in a low interest rate environment, you know, you, you're, it's unhinged from reality and you're violating property rights and people are being taxed on income they never earned.
00:03:10.780 Okay.
00:03:11.620 Fair enough.
00:03:12.660 So, um, politically and legally, the government had to redesign it.
00:03:16.820 So that's what happened.
00:03:18.040 All driven by a court ruling.
00:03:19.560 Well, I say all driven by a court ruling.
00:03:22.020 It's driven by the fact that they insist on spending far more money than they can actually raise in taxes.
00:03:29.480 And so they're always looking for stupid additional taxes as well as debt and all the rest of it.
00:03:33.940 But anyway, that, that's a setup to the situation.
00:03:36.860 So, um, they've had a thing and they've decided, okay, well, if that policy wasn't bonkers enough, what we're going to do is we're going to introduce an even more bonkers policy that is guaranteed to just kill us dead.
00:03:48.600 What they're going to do is from 2028, um, they're going to, they're going to tax actual returns on things like, you know, dividends and interest and rent and crucially annual changes in asset value.
00:04:02.580 So let me give you an example of this, right?
00:04:06.080 Let's say you've got shares in a Dutch company, right?
00:04:08.920 Um, and you've got, you, you invest, um, 50,000 euros and in the course of the year, the investment does very well.
00:04:16.320 And it doubles to a hundred thousand euros.
00:04:19.180 And so what they're going to do is they're going to say, right, well, your investment has gone up by 50,000 euros and that 50,000 euros is going to be treated as income.
00:04:28.540 Even if you haven't sold it yet.
00:04:31.140 Um, and the rate is going to be 36% on that.
00:04:34.120 And yes, there's a small annual allowance of like 1800 euros per person, but I mean, whatever, whatever.
00:04:41.700 Um, and it's structurally a sort of, you know, a, a mark to market system.
00:04:46.380 So, you know, they're moving from fictional income to paper gains, gains that you haven't realized.
00:04:54.000 And to their mind, that sounds fairer, right?
00:04:57.800 You tax what actually happened.
00:05:00.200 And, you know, to the average, you know, uninformed voter, they might think, oh, that's not too bad because, you know, um, if your portfolio doubled, you got richer.
00:05:09.580 And, and why would you wait to sell before paying a tax?
00:05:13.440 And look, workers, they pay tax on their income annually.
00:05:16.240 So why should, uh, investors be able to defer their, their, um, their tax liability?
00:05:21.740 And, and from that point of view, you could say, oh, well, it's closing a, um, it's closing a loophole.
00:05:27.140 And it looks modern and it avoids the awkwardness that they had before of, you know, assumed returns.
00:05:33.000 And, and politically, it's easier, easier to defend than taxing fictional gains.
00:05:39.080 Um, so, you know, you might think, oh, well, that sounds, you know, semi-rational and it's framed as, you know, fair and accurate and all that kind of thing.
00:05:47.080 Um, but there is a, there is a big conceptual shift going on.
00:05:50.280 And, you know, they're moving from, you know, the state estimating income to a new system where the, where the state taxes, well, essentially balance sheet movements.
00:06:00.540 And, and that is a pretty profound procedural shift because the balance between a balance sheet increasing is not the same as realized income.
00:06:10.580 And, and, and we're going to get into why it is so wildly stupid.
00:06:15.560 And trust me, by the end of this, um, you will be, you will be in no doubt.
00:06:19.520 So they're redefining what income is for a start.
00:06:21.900 And they're saying, you know, it's, it's, it's the market price of your asset rises.
00:06:26.280 Well, that that's income, right?
00:06:28.080 Even if you, even if you can't access the cash, even if the price later reverses, even if the valuation is tenuous or, you know, unstable or just, just outright thin.
00:06:43.120 So let's walk through that example in a bit more detail.
00:06:46.480 Okay.
00:06:46.920 So let's say you've got 500 shares and on the 1st of January, they're valued at, like I said, what did I say?
00:06:53.940 50,000 euros.
00:06:55.800 And then by the 31st of December, you know, the full year later, um, they're now valued at a hundred thousand euros.
00:07:04.320 Okay.
00:07:05.000 So on paper, you've made 50,000 euros and under the new system, well, that's all treated as income taxed at 36%.
00:07:13.340 So that's 16,700, um, that you now have to pay the tax man.
00:07:18.280 Um, but you haven't sold yet.
00:07:21.060 You haven't received any cash, not reduced any risk.
00:07:25.820 Um, you know, you, you, you've simply experienced, um, you know, a taxation event, um, divorced from anything tangible at this sense.
00:07:35.840 Now, what happens if, if the market corrects afterwards, and there'd be good reasons why the market might well correct, um, the day after something like this, especially while we get into that.
00:07:48.680 Um, but let's say before you pay the tax bill, um, the portfolio drops to a value of 60,000.
00:07:57.960 Right now, bear in mind, if you've been in something in this scenario, if you've been in something that doubles in a year, you're probably in something a bit racy.
00:08:06.720 You're in a tech stock, um, you're in crypto, you're in all basically all the sorts of things that I like to invest in.
00:08:12.560 There's something, there's something that's a bit dynamic, um, but also very volatile.
00:08:18.320 So actually before you sell it, you know, a week or two later, or maybe even the next day, dropping from a hundred thousand to 60,000 is, is not wildly unlikely, but your, um, your taxable event is already crystallized at this point.
00:08:33.180 Okay.
00:08:33.960 So the original value is 50,000.
00:08:37.060 The current value is 60,000.
00:08:39.320 Uh, and the real economic gain is 10,000.
00:08:44.060 Right.
00:08:44.580 But you still, still owe 16,700.
00:08:47.340 And, and, and, and in order to pay, you're going to have to sell those shares.
00:08:52.120 So if you look at that, okay, 60,000 minus 16,700, you've got 43,300 remaining, and you've now got fewer shares.
00:09:02.740 You've now got 360 shares instead of 500 shares.
00:09:06.060 You started with 50,000 and after taxation, you've now got 43,000.
00:09:15.200 You know, it's,
00:09:17.340 you, you, you, because of tax, because of tax timing, you're now worse off than you began.
00:09:24.300 You know, what, what went wrong here?
00:09:27.040 Nothing fraudulent happened.
00:09:28.800 You didn't take out any silly leverage and you didn't speculate beyond owning shares.
00:09:33.400 The only change was that the tax was triggered on an arbitrary date when you weren't liquid.
00:09:39.020 And I want to come back to, in fact, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll say it now.
00:09:43.900 This makes investing in anything with volatility functionally impossible.
00:09:51.300 Unless you're investing in, I don't know, if, if you're investing in Amazon or something, then yes, okay, you can, you've got the liquidity.
00:09:59.160 If you're investing in one of the, one of the world's major stocks, you've got the liquidity to get in and out of positions very quickly.
00:10:05.700 So you could do that, but what if you're investing in something newer, something earlier stage, a new business, a small family business, a business turnaround, or even a crypto.
00:10:20.440 It makes all of those things, anything that is not both highly liquid and also very low volatility is now basically impossible to invest in.
00:10:31.280 And they haven't considered any of this because they're just thinking about, um, their idea of stock market investing is, you know, BP or whatever the, whatever the Dutch version of BP is or whatever the biggest Dutch companies are.
00:10:46.260 They're thinking about a handful, very large, very liquid traded companies, and they're applying it to everything, including family businesses, including a business that your brother set up and you put some money into that is just fundamentally illiquid.
00:11:05.540 Or something that is, or something that is in any way volatile, essentially what they're, what they're pushing you to do, I mean, we go through, what they're essentially pushing you to do is invest, the only thing you can invest in something which is highly liquid and highly unvolatile, which is government debt.
00:11:20.640 That's effectively what they're forcing you to do.
00:11:23.140 So, I mean, lesson one on this, liquidity is, is not wealth.
00:11:27.940 Okay, so, so the, the, the, the, the, the market value, it's not cash and the state assumes because your portfolio has risen, you have greater capacity to pay.
00:11:37.900 Okay, in theory, fine, but, but the capacity requires the liquidity.
00:11:44.860 So in this example, the, the investor was worth a hundred thousand on paper on the particular day that the tax event crystallized.
00:11:51.580 But when the, when the bill had arrived, the market's already moved.
00:11:55.900 Uh, and the, and the tax liabilities, their cash obligations and market gain, the market gains, their balance sheet moves, and they're not the same thing.
00:12:06.920 The system assumes frictionless liquidity, but, but, but real markets, they're, they're, they're path dependent.
00:12:15.200 And, and what it's going to do is it's going to create forced selling around the taxation event.
00:12:21.500 And, and it is so easy, I mean, if I had a Dutch hedge fund, I'd be loving this because this is obviously going to create a wave of selling on the first, well, the 31st of December of the year, the 1st of January of the year.
00:12:37.840 And it's so easy to exploit anyway.
00:12:42.480 So look, if, if the markets were perfectly smooth and, and, and I, and I presume this is what Dutch politicians are imagining is the case.
00:12:50.560 This problem wouldn't exist because basically what would happen is the investments don't go up and down.
00:12:57.740 They just go up a little bit every day.
00:13:00.080 I mean, it doesn't even work like that for bonds, quite frankly, but, but okay, fine.
00:13:04.200 But that, that's clearly what they imagine investment is.
00:13:07.380 And the, you know, you know, losses and okay.
00:13:10.500 Losses can be carried forward.
00:13:12.460 Losses can be carried forward, but there's no refund of, of prior tax, right?
00:13:16.820 So it's not like you can, I've got unrealized loss.
00:13:20.600 Is the government going to give you some money?
00:13:22.020 No, you know, the best they do is they will, they will, they will let you carry forward that as long as you don't reset the cost basis, which you would always have to do under the system anyway.
00:13:32.240 Right?
00:13:32.540 So there's no, there's no refund of prior tax if it goes against you.
00:13:35.700 There's no restoration of sold shares and there's no rewinds on this.
00:13:38.780 So the state is participating in upside only and it's giving you a, a most, a notional carve out for, for downside at best.
00:13:49.440 But, but this is, this is a bit like, you know, I've often known people who have their own businesses and sometimes their staff will come to me and say, oh, can we have a profit share?
00:13:59.440 And the guy will invariably say, okay, but are you going to participate in a loss share?
00:14:03.280 We have, if we have a down year and they're like, no, no, we only want upside.
00:14:06.920 And that's the level that government is operating on this.
00:14:10.140 It's a huge conceptual shift.
00:14:11.880 Okay.
00:14:12.620 So anyway, let's look at the path dependency on this, right?
00:14:15.200 You ride from 50,000 to 100,000 to 60,000.
00:14:19.660 You know, you still own 500 shares.
00:14:21.720 You're up 10K.
00:14:22.980 But with the tax, 140 shares have gone permanently.
00:14:25.960 But, and now your future upside on those shares have gone forever.
00:14:29.500 And the system has removed capital at the, at the worst moment.
00:14:34.560 And it, and it, and it's permanently reducing the, the compounding base from which your future gains will come from.
00:14:42.320 And, and, and I'll get into an example of what that actually looks like long-term.
00:14:46.500 And you, you see, it's just, it's just obvious that there's no point investing in Holland anymore.
00:14:51.180 And, and this is an idea that is almost certainly going to spread elsewhere.
00:14:56.480 And this isn't, this isn't me giving a political opinion.
00:14:59.100 This is, this is just straightforward mathematics on this, right?
00:15:01.760 So another thing, right, is, is they're treating the last price as executionable wealth.
00:15:09.460 Now, what I mean by that is the way that you, you know, when you sometimes see on the stock, on the news,
00:15:14.600 the stock market has fallen and wiped whatever billion off the value of shares and stuff like that.
00:15:20.560 I mean, what, what is really happening is the prices that you see report on the news.
00:15:25.800 That was, that is based on the last share that traded before market close.
00:15:31.040 And, and it can literally be as much as one share.
00:15:33.680 They're normally done in blocks.
00:15:35.300 So it might be a block of 50 shares or a hundred thousand shares,
00:15:38.360 or even a million shares were traded in that last trade.
00:15:41.120 But still the last trade of the day and it, and one share is perfectly sufficient to set the price.
00:15:47.360 One share traded then notionally for the index reprices the entire stack.
00:15:56.340 But, but that could be a small marginal trade and it's based on very, very thin slice of the liquidity
00:16:03.640 and there's no depth in it.
00:16:05.380 And, you know, you, you wouldn't be able to liquidate the entire position at that price,
00:16:10.760 or you probably couldn't.
00:16:12.860 And markets, they're not, they're not infinitely liquid.
00:16:15.600 So let's say, you know, and this, this is why takeovers always done a premium.
00:16:22.280 So you'll notice whenever somebody launches a takeover for a company,
00:16:25.320 they always have to give a premium of whatever it is, five, 10, 15%
00:16:30.620 on top of whatever the shares were trading at at the time, because that's realistic,
00:16:35.780 because you've got to buy out the entire stack, right?
00:16:39.360 Not just trade the marginal share.
00:16:42.200 And likewise, if it's a company that is, is perhaps a little bit iffy and nobody's that sure about,
00:16:47.600 if you actually try to unwind a huge position,
00:16:51.520 your, your last share, you will be sold at a significant discount to the, to the first one.
00:16:56.420 So, so where this is absolutely crippling is, is small companies,
00:17:00.640 anything with emerging market exposure, crypto, especially, um, lots of ETFs,
00:17:05.220 the smaller ETFs, um, and anything private, any private business.
00:17:10.160 And I'll get into that more.
00:17:11.260 It just completely kills it because the, the, the system basically taxes
00:17:16.120 at the most optimistic valuation point.
00:17:19.200 It's the marginal print.
00:17:21.240 It's the marginal share and it, and it's not the bulk of them.
00:17:24.580 And, and, and really what this tax is doing is, is it's taxing inflation
00:17:28.760 and inflation is itself a tax government issues, more money.
00:17:33.760 Now there's more money chasing the same number of goods and services.
00:17:37.160 And so, and so the price of everything rises because the denominator is rising
00:17:41.560 and that is in itself is a tax.
00:17:44.180 And, and now the Dutch government are taxing the tax.
00:17:47.540 A lot of your share value going up.
00:17:50.440 It's just the inflation effect.
00:17:55.620 And now the inflation, which is a tax is getting taxed at 36%.
00:18:02.940 And those are nominal gains because your, your purchasing power hasn't really increased
00:18:07.980 and unless it exceeds inflation.
00:18:09.700 So after the 36% tax, the nominal return to preserve your purchasing power has just risen
00:18:18.300 quite dramatically.
00:18:20.300 And it rises even more dramatically as you stretch out into the future because the compounding
00:18:26.820 necessary to get there is being undone by 36% a year in order to get there.
00:18:32.100 And, and, and it raises significantly the hurdle rate of investing in stuff to the point where
00:18:38.020 you just, you just wouldn't bother.
00:18:40.700 You just wouldn't do it.
00:18:42.380 I'll also talk about the utterly deteriorate effect.
00:18:48.060 So it's bad enough with the big listed stuff, the stuff that's at the top of the stock exchange.
00:18:54.180 And if it was just that, I mean, I'd, I'd think it would be awful and would be crippling,
00:19:01.240 but at least it wouldn't be as bad as, as the unlisted stuff.
00:19:06.460 So let's say you've got a business, but it's not listed on a big stock exchange.
00:19:12.320 So you don't have, uh, you know, we, we, we, we lifted the change.
00:19:15.240 You've got a closing price and you've got some liquidity and, and there's continuous trading
00:19:19.760 that there is, is either, uh, if it's a big stock, there's just, it's just deep and liquid.
00:19:24.620 And even if it's a smaller traded stock, well, at least it's got, you've got a market maker
00:19:28.880 out there and there's always a reference point for it.
00:19:32.040 Um, even then you're going to have liquidity issues if everybody's trying to sell out on
00:19:35.700 the 31st of December, right?
00:19:37.700 But at least there's a number, but, but what happens when there isn't a market price, right?
00:19:43.100 Let's say you invest your a hundred thousand pounds into a, a seed company, a early stage
00:19:49.160 company.
00:19:49.780 Now, let's say you spent your life as a dentist or whatever, and then you, and then you retire
00:19:54.240 and you've got your, got your retirement savings and you're living in a fixed income, but you've
00:19:59.080 got a lump sum and your son or, or somebody, your best friend, whatever, who it is, some
00:20:04.660 say a son comes to you and he's starting a business and you invest, um, a hundred grand
00:20:10.140 of it into, into his business.
00:20:13.120 Right.
00:20:13.620 And six months later, um, that company seems to be doing quite well.
00:20:18.520 Maybe he's raised more money and, um, you know, the, the company still isn't profitable,
00:20:24.500 um, but it's showing some traction.
00:20:27.480 Maybe it's an app or something.
00:20:28.440 And there's lots of daily active users and whatever there is, there is.
00:20:33.240 And, um, he, he's, he's burnt through his own savings.
00:20:36.500 He's burnt through the a hundred thousand pounds that you invested in him.
00:20:40.280 Um, so he's running on fumes at this point, but the company is showing good traction and
00:20:46.740 he goes and, and he goes and raises further money, uh, for people who want to fund the
00:20:50.860 next, whatever it is, two years runway of his company in order to get it up off the grounds.
00:20:55.720 Um, um, and they buy in a valuation of, um, 10 million, right?
00:21:01.640 And so your stake is now worth 300,000.
00:21:05.320 Okay.
00:21:06.400 Um, no shares have been traded.
00:21:09.800 There's no, there's no liquidity here.
00:21:13.160 Um, there's no way you can sell your shares because who are you going to sell them to?
00:21:17.620 Um, you know, people who invested money in the company, but then they were, they were
00:21:22.020 buying new shares.
00:21:23.180 This is, this is classic capital formation that happens in early stage businesses.
00:21:28.020 It's where the modern economy comes from in the first place.
00:21:32.420 There's no way to exit.
00:21:33.740 There's no dividend and there's no revenues, but all of a sudden you've made a 200,000 pound
00:21:38.740 gain on paper and you now have to pay 60 grand.
00:21:44.140 How are you going to do that?
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