The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - June 11, 2024


PREVIEW： Brokenomics ｜ Moon Man with Bart Sibrel

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Callum Edmunds Carl Benjamin Connor Tomlinson Harry Robinson John Wheatley Joshua Ferme Edward McLaren Elizabeth Heverin
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Bobby Kennedy George Washington Mickey Mouse Carl Sagan Van Allen Robert McNamara John F. Kennedy Mark Twain Joe Rogan
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In this episode of Brokonomics, I discuss whether or not the United States actually went to the moon in the late 70s and early 80s. I speak with Dan Schwartzabrell, host of the website "Bartzabrell on the Moon" and filmmaker, to name a few.

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00:00:00.000 Welcome to Brokonomics. I'm filming this one from home and as you know every time I do that I boom 0.99
00:00:04.420 with the tech and hopefully I haven't done that too badly this time but what I did want to get
00:00:09.300 into was the whole moon landing stuff because I do find it a really interesting question. Now as
00:00:15.740 I've explained many times I don't know what to think on this one because I'm not a technical
00:00:20.880 person. I'm not an aerospace engineer or anything so I don't know and there are loads of technical
00:00:25.540 arguments out there that you can go and find stuff about the you know the Van Allen radiation belt
00:00:29.820 this that and the other thing but but I mean what do I know about the Van Allen radiation belt what
00:00:34.360 do any of you know about that but what I do understand is people and what I wanted to address
00:00:41.660 was the questions about the people involved and the decisions that was made and the narrative that was
00:00:47.280 put out and the chain of events and just see okay can we put together a coherent narrative that
00:00:53.320 applies for all of this. My actual position is that I don't know and I'm perfectly comfortable
00:00:58.120 not understanding or not knowing one way or the other for sure but as an investor my basis is
00:01:07.340 always that I need to be got over the line on something so I won't make an investment in
00:01:13.600 something until I've crossed a certain line that this is a good investment and I won't short it as
00:01:18.080 well until I've got over the line that this is something that is that clearly needs to be shorted so
00:01:22.840 I'm perfectly happy being in that comfortable position and to my mind at this time neither side
00:01:28.800 of this debate either that we definitely did go or we definitely didn't go neither of those camps have
00:01:33.800 got me over the line so I just think it's an interesting discussion to have I know some of my
00:01:37.980 viewers hate me talking about this and say that I shouldn't do it but but it's but it's always
00:01:42.680 fascinating when there's an interesting question that people don't want you to talk about those are
00:01:47.740 always the things that I'm most attracted to so um I thought well who do I know that can make the
00:01:54.320 case um that perhaps there was something a little bit fishy going on and I reached out to a man of
00:02:01.200 recent Joe Rogan internet fame um host of a website bartzabrell.com bartzabrell thank you so much for coming
00:02:09.520 on sure it's actually sabrell.com although bartzabrell.com gets you there just my last name
00:02:18.880 sabrell s as in sam i b as in boy r-e-l.com you know listening to you dan of your very generous
00:02:26.260 introduction um one of the things that comes to mind is a quote from shakespeare and he said
00:02:33.500 thou does protest too much and I'm a filmmaker and there's a quote from a film um and they said
00:02:41.020 the likelihood of one individual being right increases in direct proportion to the intensity
00:02:47.320 to which others are trying to prove him wrong and we should know for certain whether we went to the
00:02:55.340 moon or not and the fact that there's all this very reasonable doubt that to me that itself is an
00:03:03.240 indication that they didn't go and so is all of this defense if they really went to the moon
00:03:09.440 then why would they care if somebody said they didn't go that would be like me going around
00:03:15.760 saying mickey mouse was the first president of the united states not george washington do you really
00:03:20.320 think there'd be a thousand youtube videos to reassure people that george washington was the president
00:03:26.500 first and not mickey mouse and so the fact that it has to be supported so much so repeatedly
00:03:33.240 is proof that it's made out of straw out of me and let me add I used to not only believe the
00:03:39.200 moon landings are real I virtually worshiped them I had a shrine of apollo 11 pictures that followed me
00:03:45.780 wherever I went house to house we just have to keep an open mind and realize that being suspicious of
00:03:53.680 the united states federal government is reasonable because the former defense secretary during the vietnam
00:04:00.580 war said look the pentagon people you need to know this that the public is 90 against entering the war
00:04:09.640 on december 6 1941 90 of americans were against entering world war ii the following day after pearl harbor
00:04:18.800 90 wanted to get even so defect secretary robert mcnamur before he died got something off his chest he said
00:04:26.320 by the way uh i went to the pentagon and the cia and we had a meeting and they said we need some sort of
00:04:34.000 pearl harbor type of event to get the public behind the vietnam war so they created out of thin air
00:04:41.500 the gulf of tonkin incident which was allegedly a north vietnamese ship attacking uh american ship
00:04:48.940 he said before he died he and the cia made it up a complete fabrication never happened now the
00:04:57.480 congress and the senate who allegedly represent us passed a law starting the war called the gulf of
00:05:05.340 tonkin resolution based on something that never happened that was a cia lie so the cia is more
00:05:12.180 powerful than our elected representatives then we have bobby kennedy jr you're like you said my opinion
00:05:20.180 is the expert's opinion that you know and so if i have bobby kennedy jr who has more access to the jfk
00:05:27.800 files than oliver stone does say with 100 certainty that his decades-long researched opinion is that the cia
00:05:36.440 murdered his uncle president john kennedy because he was going to shut down the cia then yes trust his 0.99
00:05:42.860 opinion so what we have here is a government that admittedly even wikipedia says the gulf of tonkin
00:05:50.500 they've just come out admitted at this point we've got declassified documents there's no question that's
00:05:54.500 true yeah and and actually i'll just i'll just i'll just add on the jfk thing that's another one as well
00:05:59.500 so i mean again i don't know for sure on that one but that one i'm like 90 certain that um
00:06:05.780 if if if it wasn't a direct cia uh cia op they facilitated in ways or didn't get out they got out
00:06:12.860 of people's way or whatever it was but there was definitely some sort of involvement on that one
00:06:17.860 um yeah well yeah and as you know documents have been declassified and this is probably why
00:06:26.260 kennedy wanted to shut down the cia uh they had documents that the you know cia the pentagon they
00:06:33.400 suggested in order to get support for attacking cuba that they stage attacks on americans and kill
00:06:41.560 americans and blame it on cuba the yes yes with cuba kennedy yeah and what's the name of that one you
00:06:51.200 know the name of that one what's the name of that one called yes i've forgotten it too it's not
00:06:56.300 mockingbird or i forget paper it might be i forgot the name yes the joint the joint chiefs
00:07:01.920 the joint chiefs of staff went to the president and said that we should we should launch terrorist
00:07:07.200 attacks and then blame it on cuba and i think it was jfk who said no i'm not i'm not doing that
00:07:12.160 but that again is on record yeah well he should have done more than that i guess that's what shutting
00:07:18.480 down the cia was supposed to be he should have arrested those people for attempted murder planning
00:07:23.820 to kill innocent people is a crime it's called attempted murder he should have had anybody who 0.99
00:07:29.240 voted for that raising their hand thrown in jail and apparently most of those people were the cia so 1.00
00:07:36.200 the cia is willing to kill americans they killed their own president they're willing to start a war
00:07:42.640 that led to the unnecessary deaths of 58,220 of their own people so i don't think they're going to
00:07:49.640 have a problem faking a video image yes that they claim is on the moon and that's what we have to
00:07:55.180 understand and the psychological part of this is that you know whoever killed jfk he's still dead it's
00:08:02.500 still a tragedy it's just a matter of changing the hat on who did it and why or 9-11 we don't have to go
00:08:08.840 there but let's say maybe something else there are certainly questions over that one still a tragedy
00:08:13.980 yeah it's just changing who did it and why the moon landing fraud is different it's a positive lie
00:08:22.660 it gave people pride and it's if you you know are an intellectual and maybe worship science more than
00:08:31.920 you should then it's like the messiah of science it's the god of science well but i want it to be i very
00:08:39.900 much want it to be true if it is true it is basically the crowning achievement of the anglo
00:08:44.500 people um it it shows what a remarkable thing that our nations can do so i desperately want it to be
00:08:51.820 true but as you've sort of so expertly laid out there and i think tim paul captured this best at this
00:08:58.780 point the federal government has negative credibility whenever they say something if they're saying it
00:09:05.820 you should you should automatically doubt it and and that was got what got me first looking at it
00:09:10.780 is that um as much as i want it to be true and i do want it to be true um that organization has been
00:09:18.640 involved in so many things it's not unthinkable that you should start asking questions about a positive
00:09:23.720 version of something they've done
00:09:25.140 yeah here's a quote from carl sagan around the time of apollo it's my belief he knew of the
00:09:35.640 fraud but didn't say so publicly for academic reasons and political reasons so he said this
00:09:44.020 quote around that time one of the saddest lessons of history is this if we've been bamboozled long enough
00:09:53.100 we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle we're no longer interested in finding out the truth 1.00
00:10:02.000 then bamboozle has captured us it's simply too painful to acknowledge even to ourselves that we've
00:10:10.700 been taken once you give a charlatan power over you you almost never give it back and then i'll follow
00:10:17.380 up the kind of on the same line by mark twain who says it's easier to fool people than to convince them
00:10:24.740 they have been fooled and what carl sagan is talking about is academic people and his peers
00:10:31.220 that will not admit when they're wrong i've talked to a college professor teaching aerospace and one
00:10:38.220 of the most prestigious universities in america i showed him all this incontrovertible proof which
00:10:43.500 you can see for free at sabrell.com why sadly they really did fake the moon landing and he said
00:10:50.800 there's nothing i could show him that would make him recant the glorious moon landings and then i
00:10:56.140 said well what if you saw buzz aldrin on national tv tearfully confessing that he did fake the moon
00:11:04.740 landing and begging the public's forgiveness the college professor said that he would still think
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