The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - PREVIEW： Brokenomics ｜ My Journey

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to Brokernomics. Now in this episode I have for you an absolute treat. I'm

00:00:07.080 going to be interviewing possibly one of the most inspiring, savvy, charming, debonair,

00:00:15.000 insightful chaps that I have the pleasure of knowing. I refer of course to myself. Dan, 1.00

00:00:20.980 welcome to Brokernomics. Well thank you Dan. I appreciate the honesty of that introduction

00:00:28.520 and may I say it's an absolute pleasure to be working with somebody such as yourself. Really

00:00:35.000 look forward to coming on the show. Well no, thank you for coming on. You're very much an

00:00:40.760 audience favourite so it seemed only natural to get you on the show and I'm just delighted that

00:00:44.940 you could be here, that you could make the times a lot. So look Dan, you're simply a fascinating

00:00:51.260 person to speak to but really what I wanted to try and get at in this interview is I wanted to find

00:00:57.080 out about you and more to the point we get lots of questions on Brokernomics about how it is that

00:01:04.580 you put your thesis together, your framework, how it is that you look at markets and how you

00:01:11.360 understand it and I kind of wanted to get to the bottom of how it is that you have come to see the

00:01:20.060 world in this way and as well as just you know finding out a little bit more about you because

00:01:25.460 you are quite honestly an endlessly fascinating person and I think we'd just like to hear your

00:01:30.660 stories. So you know if it's all right with you, why don't we just get your journey?

00:01:37.500 Well yes, sure Dan, yeah I mean I'd be perfectly happy to go through that so yeah I'll just kick

00:01:45.260 off then shall I? Well all right, my journey, where to begin? Where to begin? Let's start with the

00:01:51.020 earliest days. I have to give a special hat tip to my good old dad, good chap he is, he is a boomer

00:02:02.040 but he's actually quite based and very very sensible so it's all kind of okay. Some of my earliest

00:02:10.780 memories is you know he would present me with you know newspaper headlines or something like that of

00:02:16.840 something that the you know the government was doing or the Labour Party was doing or something

00:02:21.900 like that and you know their various plans and he would he would say well what do you think of that

00:02:28.460 then boy? And you know I was, these would tend to be fairly you know right-leaning biased tabloids

00:02:37.540 so I mean I would look at the framing of it and of course you know when you're when you're six years

00:02:43.440 old you just think well yeah well that sounds very silly indeed I don't I don't like that so I'd say

00:02:47.780 you know well that doesn't seem very sensible dad I don't I don't seem to like these Labour people

00:02:51.720 and he would then give me a very broad smile and you know rub on the head and say well done boy 0.71

00:02:57.320 I'm glad I'm not raising a bloody socialist. So yes the reason I have to thank him for that is

00:03:04.860 because I never went through that phase that most people do of starting out a bit lefty and then

00:03:12.040 getting more right wing as you get older. My good old man he made sure that I was you know right on

00:03:19.780 the right from from basically day one which I think saved me a lot of time so so that was you know

00:03:29.880 very much appreciated thanks dad for that. Also again early in my sort of political journey I

00:03:37.620 best friend when I was a little kid was a socialist. I don't think it was really his fault his parents

00:03:44.660 were socialists so you you sort of have to be given for this and I like arguing a lot with

00:03:52.540 with basically anyone I can get I mean shopkeepers if I need to but you know ideally with a you know

00:03:58.580 an intellectual equal is is good fun so we would spend many hours arguing about political concepts

00:04:06.740 that we barely understood and that was jolly good fun and I was able to sort of take the

00:04:10.360 the right wing position he could take the socialist position but you know back in those days I mean this

00:04:15.180 is well whatever it is 40 odd years ago you you could be a right winger and socialist and still be

00:04:22.020 friends that that was possible in a way that it's not today he he's now completed his journey he he's

00:04:29.480 now very based and and on the right but he he did the thing that most people do which is to sort of get

00:04:35.000 there by experience rather than having it drilled into it at a young age. So yes

00:04:41.920 schooling you know I was I was also a fairly argumentative child at school to be fair although

00:04:53.580 in my mind it was not being argumentative I was simply pointing out the logical fallacies in the

00:04:59.320 assertions that the you know the various teaching staff were making this was sort of spelt out to

00:05:05.520 me one time when we had a um a new teacher assigned to the school and uh I asked the first question

00:05:12.320 and he immediately said what's your name and I told him and he said ah yes I was warned about you and I

00:05:17.340 asked if if he was warned about anyone else in the school of whatever it was 350 something people

00:05:23.340 and he was told no no I was just warned about you so um uh yes but um a good argument is the basis of

00:05:30.140 of so much um growing up in the in in the 80s uh the the key difference uh that the the younger ones

00:05:39.440 of you might not realize is is just how boring being a child in that period was because we didn't have

00:05:48.560 the interweb um we did have tv channels but unless it was between like three and

00:05:55.580 half four there wasn't any sort of programming that you'd find even remotely interesting

00:06:02.000 so um bored quite a lot so I read I read a lot um as a young chap so I sort of finished off every

00:06:09.460 book in the house um which to be fair didn't take that long um and then I would just you know from

00:06:15.060 from a young age as soon as I could ride a bike go into town um get five books a week um take them

00:06:21.580 home read them swap them out the next week so so so I read a lot um in fact I was a bit like my

00:06:26.900 granddad in that respect um dear old granddad not with us anymore but um he had he had whole rooms

00:06:36.540 literally stacked up to the door deep in books because he consumed so many books I've been I've

00:06:43.140 been a bit like that um I do a quick a quick granddad story while while we're on the granddad because

00:06:49.440 he was he was he was he was quite the man was was old Jim uh he was in the war and um so he so he

00:06:58.220 enlisted uh went off to you know serve king and country and all of that and um was it a queen at

00:07:05.520 the time I forget no it was king at the time and um he wrote he rose through the ranks of sergeant

00:07:11.380 major fairly quickly and he was he was in the north italian campaign and um the the americans

00:07:17.980 basically shared a base uh with the brits and um anyway at one point some american patrol had gone

00:07:26.220 off and and they'd managed to get their hands on a on a luger and um you know the famous german gun

00:07:33.560 and and they were they were sort of you know trying it out they'd lined up some beer bottles um

00:07:39.600 you know a couple of hundred feet away and were trying to hit them with a luger anyway so granddad

00:07:44.760 walks past and they're like hey sergeant major come and try this so um he he takes the gun and

00:07:51.760 and he said it was so heavy he could barely lift the bloody thing um so he he kind of kept it low

00:07:58.120 and then just swung it up and fired up a shot as he swung it up and then sort of carried on swinging

00:08:02.960 it up to some sort of you know james bond pose um and and by sheer fluke he managed to take the bottle

00:08:10.840 cap off the top of the beer bottle and leave the beer bottle standing on the wall

00:08:15.500 so um they were absolutely amazed and sort of immediately asked him to do it again and he sort

00:08:21.120 of just casually mentioned oh no i'm far too busy and um sort of you know hurried off uh because of

00:08:26.840 course he knew he could never replicate that shot ever again um but he he was treated like something

00:08:31.840 of an action hero on base after that so um yeah good old grandpas but anyway no back to me um

00:08:38.460 yeah read a lot as a kid um don't read much anymore uh because well basically back in those days you just

00:08:47.540 didn't have really any option you know you just what what else were you going to do i mean you can

00:08:52.920 you can muck around with your mates for a bit but you know winter's evenings on a school night you

00:08:58.000 there's not not really an awful lot you can do so so so read a lot don't really lot um anymore

00:09:03.240 because you know these days you've got so many other options and you can go on youtube and watch

00:09:07.140 the lotus eaters or brokonomics on lotus eaters.com um you know i spend a lot of time these days um

00:09:14.620 interacting with um the ai programs just drilling down into an issue so so for me now a typical day when

00:09:22.480 i'm not doing something else is is i'll line up a series of youtube videos just bang through them

00:09:28.320 at double speed while i'm conversing with you know one of the ai programs on on something you know

00:09:33.980 whatever it was the last topic i got into was um theoretical advancements in metallurgy um which

00:09:41.280 for some reason you know piqued my interest on that particular day so uh you know these days i i'd

00:09:46.120 probably barely read a book a week to be honest um guys in there are very good

00:09:52.100 books everywhere uh back back in the lotus eaters office harry and bo in particular so harry's desk

00:09:58.480 is just piles of books and a little space for a little piddly laptop thing in the middle and then

00:10:04.980 bo sits in the corner next to me and he he's basically got like three bookshelves which are

00:10:09.220 full and then he's piling up on top as well so yeah very very bookish people around here but um but

00:10:15.340 you know i barely get through one a week at the moment um more about me um early on um

00:10:22.980 dad was doing well um he was um he had a business which he started up and was building it up

00:10:30.420 um but um parents were divorced because they were baby boomers and uh if you've ever met a baby boomer

00:10:38.820 they're they're always divorced you know even if they don't need to they're just divorced so um so

00:10:43.580 so lived with my mum and um she was a nurse and and we were quite poor um very poor actually growing

00:10:51.120 up very poor and i basically concluded that i didn't like it it it wasn't for me um resolved that

00:11:02.220 this state of affairs was not going to um stay in place because you know didn't suit me i was

00:11:09.720 i i suppose you could say i was proto-trans rich um even at that early age so anyway me and this

00:11:16.760 this aforementioned pal of mine from sort of eight or so um we got this we got this car washing

00:11:23.520 business going you know we we we we managed to get a couple of buckets uh brushes and a bottle of

00:11:30.140 car wash thing and and basically we would just walk around the more affluent neighborhoods of town

00:11:35.740 um knocking on doors offering to offering to wash their car for five pounds a pop

00:11:42.380 um which was a bit expensive um you know especially back then in whatever that was early 90s or late

00:11:47.800 80s i i forget now um i mean these days you get your car done at one of those you know whirly

00:11:54.820 brush things for for five pounds so you know inflation adjusted that would have been a fair bit back

00:11:59.840 then but um i think people just appreciated seeing a youngster being industrious so you know

00:12:06.680 most of them just kind of went for it um and you know we we'd often finish the day um you know

00:12:14.660 somewhere between 100 and 200 pounds uh in our pocket you know split two ways you know you you'd

00:12:20.540 often end up with like 75 80 queen um for a day's work which when you're eight and you're living in the

00:12:27.900 late 80s i mean there's a lot of bloody money and um yeah i like this uh that that was that was very

00:12:34.340 good so so so did that for a while um and then um uh then i got into into the fast food business

00:12:41.720 so when i was what was it about 13 or so i shot up because um there was no seed oils back then so so

00:12:51.100 i hit you know whatever it was six foot something by um by by sort of 12 13 or so so i lied about

00:12:59.180 my age when i worked in one of those um you know fast food places um again um sort of very industrious

00:13:07.100 worked lots of hours um i i wasn't that far off a full even though i was part-time i'm just sort of

00:13:13.280 doing it evenings and weekends um i wasn't that far off full-time hours so again when you're when

00:13:20.660 you're young when you're a teen early teenager um you know that was that was reasonably good money

00:13:25.760 even though it was a bloody fast food place and i used to do the um what they call the night porting

00:13:31.320 you know when you when you when you sort of basically take the machine that does the burgers you

00:13:36.920 take it apart and clean that and put it back together again um because it was basically you you got

00:13:43.100 paid extra um and you got lots of hours um that way reliably so um yes did did that for a while

00:13:50.220 um schooling uh did did did perfectly well at um gcse's and a levels uh and then i elected to go to

00:14:00.220 to southampton university uh for the simple reason that it was the only ivy league um university

00:14:08.240 um within a short enough distance to home that i could drive back at the weekend to get my washing

00:14:15.940 done for me so um probably wasn't the best criteria but i could also go back and i and by then i'd moved

00:14:24.320 on to um you know working in um you know one of those um uh shops where they sell tvs and washing

00:14:31.680 machines and stereos and all that sort of stuff so i could i i could come back there and and work at

00:14:38.320 the weekend and earn some money because i quite like earning money um you know i had a had a bought

00:14:46.600 myself a car when i was 17 and most people didn't have one and you know so that so it was all good

00:14:51.380 and you know i basically liked being able to do whatever the hell i wanted to do so um yeah so so i did

00:14:56.960 that um i was quite good at the sales thing yeah i was i was very good as so again um you know with

00:15:03.120 that i was i i would usually be the top earner in the store even though i was only working weekends

00:15:11.900 and the and the full-time staff would work an extra three or four days on top of it uh because of the

00:15:18.380 commit because you've got a little bit of commission and i basically sold loads um i i started to realize

00:15:23.620 that because what most people do in shops like these is they kind of wait for somebody to

00:15:29.160 um call them over or or they go around aimlessly asking can i help you just browsing something like

00:15:36.620 that uh but but but people who are seriously interested in buying something they've got a

00:15:42.700 different set of um behavioral characteristics you know if if you look at it enough you can you can

00:15:49.400 see that they just behave differently so i basically figured out what the what the sort of

00:15:55.800 subtle behavioral clues were so that i could just sort of stand there in the corner and scan like a

00:16:01.200 hawk and then and then when i realized okay that person is that person is you know in the expensive tv

00:16:06.460 section uh but they're giving off the wrong signals it'd be a waste of time that guy's in the mid-range

00:16:13.380 hi-fi section and i think he's a buyer so um i'm not going to waste my time on on you know tv man who's

00:16:20.720 just whiling away a saturday i'm going to go to i'm going to mid-range hi-fi man so get in there

00:16:27.360 have the sales technique down bish bash bosh get him done get the next one another kill after kill after 0.68

00:16:32.140 kill so um yes so um yeah found out a bit of an affinity for sales that was was great um university

00:16:39.200 itself um i mean it was great fun um some respects good bunch of lads there um

00:16:46.940 to be fair though i did have two two major challenges at university um the first one was that

00:16:57.860 i mean everybody knows this now that universities are full of um insufferable leftists

00:17:07.140 but this would have been late 90s and and and i i hadn't quite appreciated that then we didn't

00:17:17.640 have any social media remember back then so you know you just turn up so i thought i i did this um

00:17:24.200 politics and economics course in my head uh what what was going to happen on that course is we would

00:17:31.000 sit around and we would discuss why hong kong um outperforms uh um per capita against um you know

00:17:39.800 bloody sweden or something you know you know socialist country what what i actually found was that

00:17:47.380 um well for example i i had one lecture where the lecturers spent the entire lecture wasting our times

00:17:54.860 reminiscing about the fact that you could you could literally go and sit in the same chair

00:18:02.100 at the british library that karl marx had once sat in and he spent a lecture on that about where it

00:18:10.420 was and the times that he'd sat there and the thoughts that he'd had whilst sitting in the same

00:18:15.360 physical chair as karl marx now as you can imagine um not resonating entirely with me

00:18:22.600 um the other aspect of it was um that um for some reason academic economists have this massive

00:18:32.640 inferiority complex where they think they should be a science but clearly they're not because you know

00:18:38.960 if you get a degree in economics it's a um it's a bachelor of science which should clearly be a

00:18:46.420 bachelor of arts because it's all about making arguments it's about understanding people and

00:18:50.700 and systems and cause and effect um but they wanted it to be a science for whatever reason

00:18:57.180 so they were endlessly devising um more and more complicated formulas

00:19:02.520 to try and basically predict behaviors in economics and it was a nonsense because you know you'd be

00:19:13.380 presented with this massively complicated formula and then you know there would be an e in it or

00:19:18.800 something and you'd say okay well what does the e stand for and that would be oh that's human

00:19:22.020 behavior but right well how do you quantify that then no we can't right so what's the point of the

00:19:29.320 equation then what are you doing um i i i continued my my argumentative streak in in my very first

00:19:36.800 was it the very second economics lecture uh i managed to get hauled up in front of the authorities

00:19:44.280 because basically the the lecturer was was making the arguments that minimum wage um does not increase

00:19:51.000 unemployment and i was like well of course it does and and poor man was trying to give a lecture um

00:19:57.760 a socialist lecture and and i was just arguing with him it's like well look and i i i explained all

00:20:03.960 the reasons because basically what a minimum wage does is it makes is it is it doesn't increase the

00:20:08.960 wages of people it makes it illegal for anyone whose labor is worth less than a certain level to have a job

00:20:14.280 um and he was trying to give me some bloody formula and i was trying to give him real world examples of

00:20:18.940 of how he yeah how he does exactly that and you've got to factor i won't go into the whole bloody thing

00:20:23.420 now um but yeah so he took my name and um that that began the um you know the first time i was reported

00:20:31.100 to the um um uh the university higher-ups for for being a bit of a difficult bastard which which to be

00:20:38.040 fair i had my whole life anyway um so the point is um they didn't actually do that well at university

00:20:43.160 um i mean i i i had moments of being good i mean if if so so for example in in the first year you

00:20:50.220 had to do a a statistics course and apparently on that i got the i got the highest grade that they

00:20:56.380 had ever had a on that course i saw something like 98 and a half percent or something which is

00:21:02.480 quite good for an exam um that presumably means i got one question wrong and i still don't know what

00:21:08.140 it is um but but basically because of this kind of um this weird uh combination of leftist globalist

00:21:16.560 thought combined with this sad attempt to turn economics into a science where clearly it's an art

00:21:24.920 i just i just did not connect with it at all so um you know i i remember the halfway through the third

00:21:34.300 year getting called into my whatever it is overseer's office and he was saying um you you do realize

00:21:46.460 you're going to be lucky to scrape a third right which is which is not good at all um i mean what's

00:21:56.900 the point of you just completely bloody wasted three years if you do that so um yes what wasn't happy

00:22:02.400 with that so in the last semester of the third year i kind of pulled it out a bit and and i decided

00:22:10.740 okay which is basically what i should have done the entire time is i decided oh i'll just play the

00:22:15.740 bloody game then um i'll just i'll just tell them whatever they sodding want to hear and and basically

00:22:22.340 in in that last semester of the third year i was consistently getting high firsts in everything i did

00:22:28.680 which was enough to take me from the bottom end of a third to um most of the way up a 2-2 i would

00:22:36.320 have liked to have got the 2-1 but um yeah it's a bit weak really isn't it a 2-2 um but i mean it could

00:22:42.660 have been a lot worse it could have been a third so um yeah a bit of a shame and i really should have

00:22:48.060 been playing the whole game from the beginning and i think that young students today i think i think

00:22:54.220 they understand uh because they've been pre-warned by social media that when you go to university is 0.95

00:22:59.380 going to be leftist dogman crap the whole way through and and you've just got to sort of play

00:23:05.080 along with it but i didn't know that at the time so i bristled against it um somewhat so yeah um 0.97

00:23:11.300 university was a bit of a waste of time um and then having a 2-2 that you know that that shuts you

00:23:16.920 down from going into the upper epsilons of of finance jobs which you know when you wanted i knew i

00:23:23.060 wanted a finance job because as previously established i like money and i thought well if

00:23:28.900 if you want money why mess around with bloody widgets or something you know just just go and

00:23:34.240 work directly with the money uh so that was a plan so yeah so that was the first challenge of 0.96

00:23:38.860 university the other challenge of university is that um i was an ugly bastard now i don't see this much 0.66

00:23:46.840 i don't see this much anymore um so presumably new cures have been have been discovered um but back

00:23:58.120 in um back in the sort of 80s and 90s um you know if if you got acne bad you know it was

00:24:05.840 nothing they could do i mean you know you just just had to kind of put up with it to be honest

00:24:11.040 um and and so yes in in a room of 100 people i i would probably be the ugliest person at 100 out of

00:24:21.120 100 um you know i look like i've been infected by nerve or i look like i had um you know head

00:24:27.840 butted my way through the display cabinet at the wuhan lab um it was annoying because there really

00:24:35.340 wasn't a damn bloody thing you could do about it you just kind of had to wait with you know to get 0.51

00:24:39.600 old for it to go away so so that was very irritating um and and the reason it irritated me the most

00:24:45.360 is because um universities are full of um 19 and 20 year old young women everywhere and 1.00

00:24:55.260 i was an absolute state which which was no good so i i did what i could in those circumstances went to

00:25:02.960 the gym a lot and then my plan was that through a combination of tight t-shirts dubious nightclub

00:25:10.680 lighting um really working on perfecting my game i i could i could squeeze through with the minimum

00:25:18.860 acceptable level of panani for those three years and and just about managed that so um yeah managed to

00:25:27.760 get through it but no those were um those were wasted years against the potential lean years lean years

00:25:34.480 but uh well you you everybody faces adversity in life and and i think that was mine right so um

00:25:43.680 yes finished university um decided that i wanted to work in finance very good uh lacked the degree because

00:25:50.440 um i i i hadn't been playing that whole game thing correctly probably should have done it so i thought

00:25:57.220 um oh sorry i'll do politics then so um i i'd been involved in in party politics a bit and it just so

00:26:05.300 happened that when i was coming out of university uh there was a um a leadership challenge for the

00:26:11.740 conservative party yes don't judge i was i was a member back then and um if if if you're old enough to

00:26:17.820 remember michael portillo was going for the leadership up against um ken clark and in duncan

00:26:25.560 smith and um portillo was the was the chap who had all the charisma and energy and um you know i

00:26:33.500 thought okay well he's a sensible type so i sort of networked my way into that and um basically he had

00:26:40.120 this uh on barton street which is a street just around the corner from uh from parliament uh very nice

00:26:46.340 house apparently it was worth 12 million at the time but it would probably be worth 80 if not a lot

00:26:53.140 more uh today um this this guy had basically given over his house as the sort of campaign hub uh for

00:27:01.520 for this uh for this poor tillow chap so uh yes when work there and um however long it was maybe it was

00:27:09.680 two months um that sort of leadership campaign something like that uh it was interesting lots

00:27:15.320 me got to meet lots of um interesting people i'm trying to figure out if i met rupert lowe there

00:27:22.240 was was rupert lower conservative back there i definitely the reason i ask is because i think

00:27:29.240 rupert lowe did spend time being the chairman of of um southampton football club and i definitely met

00:27:36.100 one chairman of the southampton football club i remember because he offered me a job um you know

00:27:41.960 i got because people coming in at interesting people coming in out all the time um and and and i would

00:27:47.900 chat along with them and a number of them would think oh like this young man um lots of potential

00:27:53.780 there so you know maybe i'll offer him a position and i do remember i was offered a job at

00:27:58.280 um this football club but i had to refuse it on the basis that i don't know anything about

00:28:04.140 football and i don't find it remotely interesting i think it's a silly game um so some areas of the

00:28:09.500 things sort of came up there um it was also interesting that oh yeah i met um uh what's her

00:28:15.780 name oh pretty pretty patel um recently the home secretary i thought that she was a vapid um social 0.97

00:28:23.320 climber um and hold to that view in fact um but in fact yeah i met i met a number of the characters

00:28:29.820 who would later appear in this last but one run of government the last tory run and um at the time

00:28:40.280 yes my my impression was of a lot of them was weak um the older characters the grandees they were

00:28:49.820 quite good but i mean they've all died off now um but the but the younger cohort coming through i

00:28:54.460 didn't think much of them and was proved correct in that in that view quite evidently uh but yes i

00:29:02.900 the other thing about working on a political campaign was you got to see how much the papers lied

00:29:07.360 about everything um you know they just basically make stuff one particularly poignant example

00:29:15.580 was uh the campaign received a a fairly large check from somebody then anyway they looked at this and

00:29:22.800 we thought we can't really it's just too much can't take it so uh yeah they had a bit of a discussion

00:29:28.080 um and then the check was handed to me uh and and they said right okay go across london and return

00:29:36.280 this check to the owner and say thank you very much appreciate blah blah blah um can't take it

00:29:43.800 reasons reasons and while i was on the way there i stopped at a newsstand to see the first edition

00:29:51.500 or because it was late in the day about this one see the first edition of of tomorrow's newspapers

00:29:56.580 and the tabloids were going after this um and and they basically had everything wrong i mean they

00:30:05.200 so there was a nub of it that was true which was you know a check had been sent or something like that

00:30:10.980 but every detail in the story was wrong the amount was wrong um you know the whole sequence of events

00:30:20.320 was wrong and i'm and i i'm stood there reading this newspaper um about this story with the bloody

00:30:27.640 check in my pocket at the time it's like they just made it up you know they they took the germ or

00:30:35.460 something they just made it up so um you know i mean that that was the first of many examples where

00:30:40.340 i've come to see that that legacy media is just quite honestly it's trash if you would like to see

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - February 24, 2025

PREVIEW： Brokenomics ｜ My Journey

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