The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - PREVIEW： Brokenomics ｜ Politics and Faith After Trump with Joel (& Franklin) Webbon

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to Brokernomics. Now, in this episode, I'm absolutely delighted to be joined

00:00:18.120 by Joel Webben. Some people call him controversial pastor from near Austin, Texas, I believe. Joel,

00:00:26.200 thank you so much for coming on thanks for having me yeah we're just north of austin about 45

00:00:31.100 minutes north in georgetown texas great um joe for those who haven't had the pleasure of encountering

00:00:38.380 you yet um tell us a little bit about yourself yeah so i pastor a local church and uh that's

00:00:45.000 my primary focus um but i'm i do a lot um of political cultural commentary through media

00:00:51.820 So I lead a ministry called Right Response Ministries that focuses on theology, some of the theological framework for how we should think politically and culturally in the West and America specifically.

00:01:06.480 But then I also started another organization called NXR Studios, NXR, New Christian Right Studios.

00:01:13.840 And we put out a lot of content.

00:01:15.640 We have a conference that's coming up November 12, 13, and 14.

00:01:19.540 It'll be in Dallas, Fort Worth area at the Irving Convention Center.

00:01:23.100 We have Alex Jones and J.P. Sears.

00:01:25.640 Buckley Carlson is going to be there.

00:01:28.200 James Fishback will be there.

00:01:29.480 A lot of different speakers.

00:01:31.220 The title of the conference is Christ is King, America after Trump.

00:01:35.160 Talking about the political right, distinctly Christians in America.

00:01:39.840 Where do we go from Trump?

00:01:41.420 We are under the persuasion that we need to push further, that we don't need to retreat, but push further.

00:01:47.800 that Trump was a precursor. We're grateful for the good, uh, disappointed by some of the ways

00:01:52.760 that, uh, that we see him not going far enough. And so getting battle plans, um, where to go from

00:01:59.100 here. Excellent. Um, I, I, I, I think I mentioned to you before we, before we came on air, I first

00:02:05.660 discovered you through, you did a series of interviews with, with Nick Fluentes and I thought,

00:02:10.560 okay, well that would be an interesting series to follow. And I didn't have to watch for very far

00:02:15.580 before i realized that actually i was tuning in for the wrong guy um joel is uh joel is infinitely

00:02:21.420 based uh is the way i would describe him um but the other thing that interests me and then this

00:02:26.920 is kind of the central thrust of what i wanted to talk to you about is i don't think a figure like

00:02:31.180 you would have existed on the um conservative uh political right 20 years ago i think that the

00:02:39.040 political right the commentators 20 years ago were essentially accepting liberalism as a given

00:02:44.660 and trying to make themselves legible within liberalism i don't get the sense that you are

00:02:52.120 making any attempt whatsoever to do that so what has changed in the last 20 years that means that

00:02:58.460 a figure like you is now becoming prominent yeah um that well that's a good assessment i think

00:03:04.200 you're absolutely right uh conservativism is um conservatism is just it's still operating within

00:03:10.700 the framework of liberalism. And so, um, we've decided that, uh, that liberalism, the whole

00:03:15.800 thing needs to die. Um, that you're, it's like trying to, uh, lift yourself up while, while

00:03:21.680 standing in a bucket. Um, and it's just not going to work. Um, so I, I think, you know, I think the

00:03:27.960 left overplayed its hand. A lot of people woke up in 2020 between COVID restrictions. Um, in America,

00:03:35.280 We had the George Floyd riots, BLM, critical race theory, all these different things that

00:03:41.460 just really the left pushed too far.

00:03:44.200 It overplayed its hand.

00:03:45.220 It got cocky and it caused a lot of people, especially men, especially younger white Christian

00:03:51.800 men to begin rethinking a lot of the things that previously had just been assumed.

00:03:58.480 And for me, when I think of liberalism, just to put a brief definition on it, I think if

00:04:05.120 liberalism is the car, then the engine is egalitarianism. This raw equality all the way

00:04:12.100 down in every single category. I brought my son with me to work. He's four. He's out of frame so

00:04:17.300 that we don't see him, but he's spending some time with dad today. But liberalism is the car.

00:04:22.900 Egalitarianism is the engine. And when I say egalitarianism, this idea of equal outcomes

00:04:29.440 might be maybe the extreme version of it,

00:04:33.100 but even equal opportunity is a lie.

00:04:36.120 I never had an equal opportunity

00:04:37.580 to be in the NBA to Michael Jordan.

00:04:41.000 There are people, this blank slate-ism

00:04:43.540 that anybody from anywhere can do anything,

00:04:46.460 that Disney message that we indoctrinate our children with

00:04:50.300 from the moment that they can speak as toddlers,

00:04:55.060 all of that really is a lie.

00:04:57.260 And we've done it across the board,

00:04:58.740 not just between the sexes, male and female,

00:05:01.380 you know, that men and women are exactly the same. 0.65

00:05:04.400 And so we can have women in combat, military positions, 0.97

00:05:06.960 and, you know, all these different things, 1.00

00:05:08.680 but we've done it in every category, racial egalitarianism.

00:05:13.380 We don't hate anybody.

00:05:15.280 I believe that God made distinct peoples.

00:05:17.560 They're all made in the image of God.

00:05:19.140 They all have a soul.

00:05:20.780 We want them to know Jesus.

00:05:22.200 We want to spend eternity with them in heaven,

00:05:24.540 surrounding the throne of the lamb. 1.00

00:05:26.020 but the Haitian and the heritage American are not the same. And there are people who are more

00:05:33.200 compatible with the West and people who are less compatible. This is a basic idea. We all

00:05:39.100 instinctively know this and it should influence immigration policy, right? If you have white 0.99

00:05:44.400 South Africans who are being persecuted for their skin color, they're pretty compatible with England 0.97

00:05:50.820 or America. If you have Haitians or Somalians, they're less compatible. So how many you take 1.00

00:05:58.800 of one type of person from one type of place should be informed and influenced by their

00:06:05.400 compatibility and recognizing we're not all just blank slates with this equal opportunity to be a

00:06:11.500 doctor, equal opportunity to be the president or to be in the NBA or to be an American or to be a

00:06:17.040 Brit. All of that is egalitarianism, which is a very, very modern concept. It applies to race,

00:06:24.480 applies to sex, applies to all these different categories, and it has to be rejected outright.

00:06:30.260 Okay. And what is it you are trying to achieve with this? Because look, I don't think guys like

00:06:36.960 you and me are going to win an election anytime soon. I'm pretty damn sure that I'm not, because

00:06:41.040 I've said for many years now that I don't think women should vote. So that is me out of the 1.00

00:06:46.080 a little game immediately i mean actually i go much further now i don't think that quite a few

00:06:50.360 of the men should vote either i'm i'm for a restricted franchise i basically reject so much

00:06:55.000 of the liberal framework that is it's it's that is not a direct path to hard power for me but what

00:07:01.700 i am trying to do is i'm trying to change the lens through which future generations think about and

00:07:07.360 the whole set of assumptions and i'm just wondering if it's are you trying to do something similar

00:07:12.120 So what is it that you're trying to actually achieve here, Joe?

00:07:14.760 Yeah, absolutely.

00:07:15.740 So just pushing the Overton window and setting the discourse.

00:07:20.720 That's, you know, people will say, you're not serious, or, you know, this is beyond

00:07:24.720 the pale, this is extreme, this is LARPing, whatever you want to call it.

00:07:30.300 And yet, week after week after week, by the grace of God and his providence, I'm setting

00:07:36.040 the discourse.

00:07:37.320 So they can laugh, they can mock, they can say it's extreme, but they're talking about

00:07:41.540 my latest episode. So I say the right has to embrace socialism to win. And Dana Loesch and

00:07:46.840 Ted Cruz and Rand Paul and everybody in my country is retweeting me. This happened just last week

00:07:53.460 and talking about the thing that I put forward. So you can call it a LARP, you can call it unserious,

00:07:59.560 but it's kind of like Johnny Depp and the pirates of the Caribbean. He's like, you're the worst

00:08:04.480 pirate I've ever heard of. Yeah, but you have heard of me and you can't help yourself, but talk 0.99

00:08:09.620 about me. So for me, it's like, am I going to win an election in, you know, the year of our Lord

00:08:15.720 2026? No, I'm not even going to run because I know my place and I'm, I'm, I'm realistic. I'm

00:08:22.220 a realist, but I am able to provide cover fire for other guys so that they can push further.

00:08:28.940 This kind of good cop, bad cop. It's like, well, you know, Beau French, I guess we'll vote for him.

00:08:34.700 he's reasonable, but Joel Webin is extreme. So I think there are different pieces on the chess

00:08:40.820 board. We're all on the same team. We're trying to push the discourse further. And here's the

00:08:45.440 thing. We have to think of the long game, right? Everybody, at least in America, I don't know how

00:08:50.920 it is in England, but there's been this mentality for decades of this is the last election of our

00:08:57.580 lifetime. Get out there and vote red, vote with every single name with an R next to it, down the

00:09:04.100 ballot without fail. If you have to plug your nose and plug your nose, do whatever it takes,

00:09:08.840 be a patriot because it's the last election of our lifetime before the communists take over.

00:09:13.540 And the reality is that's just, that's not true. That doesn't mean that elections don't matter.

00:09:18.960 I'm going to be voting in November in our midterm elections here in Texas. I will be voting for

00:09:26.020 Beau French, for railroad commissioner in Texas. I'll be voting for Ken Paxton, not because I

00:09:32.140 like everything about Ken Paxton. I like Beau French a lot more, but because of the alternative

00:09:36.900 being James Tallarico, he's very, very liberal and progressive and twists the word of God,

00:09:41.680 claims to be a Christian and uses Bible verses, like NASCAR stickers on a windshield to try to

00:09:47.980 just push across his transgender theory for children. I mean, he really is in many ways,

00:09:54.380 the devil incarnate, in some ways worse than the devil when he's tempting Jesus in the wilderness.

00:09:59.040 I think he would have blushed if he heard some of the things that Tallarico was saying,

00:10:03.100 like the devil, you know, was, I think he'd be like, Hey, James Tallarico, let's at least

00:10:07.100 be a little more subtle. Let's be reasonable. I mean, this is too on the nose. So, um, and it

00:10:12.300 depends who you're running against. It depends what you're standing for. It depends what the

00:10:16.180 position is. Um, then I I'm still voting. I'm not going to just not vote. Um, however, there are

00:10:22.120 some guys with R's next to their name that in this election, uh, they're simply not good enough.

00:10:27.560 And I'm not going to vote for them. And I don't believe that if we get the alternative, a Democrat, then it's just going to end the country. I think in some sense, this is how I've been thinking about it lately. Mitt Romney versus Barack Obama in 2012 in America's presidential election.

00:10:44.820 There were about a million conservative patriots here in America who said, I'm sorry, I know

00:10:50.600 that Barack Obama is bad.

00:10:52.020 These were not guys who were liberals saying, hey, Barack's not that bad. 0.91

00:10:55.520 They were like, Barack is a communist. 0.70

00:10:57.180 He might be the Antichrist.

00:10:58.620 I don't think he was, but that was the mentality. 0.98

00:11:00.660 He's terrible, absolutely terrible.

00:11:02.300 But Mitt Romney, I cannot with a clear conscience before the Lord vote for him.

00:11:06.480 And because of those million, give or take, patriots, conservatives in America who refuse

00:11:12.040 to cast a vote for Mitt Romney because he simply wasn't good enough, Mitt Romney lost. And that

00:11:16.900 gave Obama a second term. But what that did was it sent a message to the GOP, the Republicans in

00:11:23.580 America, so that they would do better next time. No, the GOP never gets the message. They're

00:11:27.640 insufferable. They're just, you know, liberals driving the speed limit. But what it did do was 0.88

00:11:32.740 despite, not because the GOP got a message and listened to its constituents. No, it went right

00:11:39.280 around the GOP, despite the GOP, what it did was it cleared the playing field so that in 2016,

00:11:46.800 the Bush dynasty and Mitt Romney and your Jeb Bushes and all these guys were kind of

00:11:51.980 sidelined. They still wanted to maintain their dynasty, but they had been sidelined by a second

00:11:57.480 term of Barack Obama, and it cleared the playing field that allowed for a dark horse and independent

00:12:02.700 from the outside, namely Donald J. Trump, to actually run in the primaries. And lo and behold,

00:12:09.940 he won. And so that's kind of my thinking and my strategy is, am I going to win personally,

00:12:15.360 Joel Webin, be on the ballot and win an election this year in November? No, there's not a snowflakes

00:12:21.540 chance in hell. But can I push the discourse and get patriots to say, you know what? The GOP cannot

00:12:28.220 assume on our vote forever simply by being half an inch to the right of the communists. That is

00:12:35.460 not good enough to assume our vote. They have to do better. And so I am hoping, I'm not encouraging

00:12:41.180 any Christian to vote for Amy Acton for governor of Ohio, but I am encouraging Christians to 0.98

00:12:46.540 seriously consider withholding their vote from Vivek Ramaswamy. And not because he merely has

00:12:53.660 brown skin. But because religiously, not just ethnically, but religiously speaking, he is a

00:12:58.980 Hindu by his own admission. He worships 3 million demon gods. He is an anchor baby, right? He's not 0.95

00:13:05.480 third generation. His parents got here days before he was born. His mother was involved in a pump

00:13:11.420 and dump scheme in the medical industry with a miracle Alzheimer drug that ripped off Heritage

00:13:16.960 Americans. Every Christmas, it's a Vivek Christmas tradition. Gather around little boys and girls

00:13:22.300 before we open our stockings and presents,

00:13:25.120 Vivek Ramaswamy is going to tell you

00:13:26.520 how your ancestry, lineage, and heritage are meaningless.

00:13:30.300 It's just, it's too much. 1.00

00:13:33.520 His Hinduism, anchor baby, despising heritage Americans, 1.00

00:13:38.400 whatever lineage or legacy they have. 0.99

00:13:41.080 His father has been here for decades

00:13:42.880 and still hasn't cared enough to become an American citizen. 0.98

00:13:46.260 So I'm not encouraging Christians to vote for Amy Acton,

00:13:49.600 who truly is a communist, 0.51

00:13:51.140 But I am saying, guys, if you give a VEC your vote, right, this is just a case study that proves the principle. You are messaging to the GOP that they don't have to meet any, any of your wishes. All they have to do is be just half an inch to the right of whoever the communist Democrat candidate is, and they can assume your vote forever.

00:14:12.740 And here's the deal. Ohio is a deep red state. In the checks and balances, the other systems of state government in Ohio, Amy Acton will have her hands tied behind her back from day one. She will be able, if we're honest about it, to do very little.

00:14:28.980 And so for four years, not federally, not nationwide, but in an isolated state race with a deep GOP, a deep red state, you'll have a Democrat, terrible, terrible governor, but who will be constrained and mitigated severely in the damage they're able to do and isolated in one state instead of the whole country.

00:14:50.840 and clear the field, hopefully sending Vivek back home

00:14:54.400 where whoever is able then four years later in 2030

00:14:58.000 to run for Republican governor,

00:15:00.020 it allows for a Trump type situation.

00:15:03.120 And I think Trump isn't far enough.

00:15:04.840 I think he's a precursor,

00:15:06.000 but it allows for that kind of similar scenario to play out.

00:15:10.240 So no, I don't think I'm personally

00:15:12.120 going to be winning any elections anytime soon,

00:15:14.140 but I do believe that I'm setting the discourse.

00:15:16.720 I do believe that I'm capturing hearts and minds

00:15:19.580 of conservative Christians in my country

00:15:21.960 and influencing them to require more of their politicians

00:15:27.100 that clear the slate

00:15:28.620 and allow for better candidates to run in the future.

00:15:31.460 I'm thinking instead of just in two year

00:15:34.720 or four year cycles,

00:15:35.720 I'm trying to think a little bit longer term.

00:15:38.640 We have been thinking last election of our lifetime

00:15:40.920 for decades now.

00:15:42.180 And all that that has ultimately done

00:15:44.620 is it's worked as a mild throttle

00:15:47.260 to simply a governor to simply slow the decline of the United States, but very little actual

00:15:54.800 progress for conservatives. And I think that if I ever do run, I actually do plan to eventually

00:16:00.940 run in maybe 10 years from now. But if I ever do run, one of the things that people are going to

00:16:06.220 look at is they're going to say, who has a track record of being courageous before it was popular?

00:16:14.020 That's how leadership always works.

00:16:16.280 That is.

00:16:17.620 The Overton eventually in the province of God shifts.

00:16:20.760 And then immediately what people look at,

00:16:22.660 and now that they have a different point of view,

00:16:24.860 they're looking for leaders who meet that point of view.

00:16:27.240 And one of the main characteristics that they're looking for

00:16:30.200 is who was saying this before everyone was saying this?

00:16:35.080 Who had courage, right?

00:16:37.540 Who were the early voices who put forward a resistance?

00:16:42.420 And so my plan is to push out a little bit beyond the Overton window, but then assume the center, anchor down, plant a flag and be ready for the future if God opens up an opportunity.

00:16:55.320 Yeah, I mean, a couple of things.

00:16:56.820 I mean, on the Ramaswamy point, I can imagine a scenario where labor keeps putting the taxes up and I myself find myself looking for asylum in Texas or something like that.

00:17:07.040 if i were to do that i would think that it is fundamentally illegitimate for me to run for

00:17:13.380 office or or to involve myself in politics in any particular way i might as a commentator because

00:17:18.120 i mean that's what i do but i think it's just fundamentally illegitimate when you join a

00:17:21.900 country to then try and join the political process directly i think i think it might even be

00:17:26.180 questionable for my children you know assuming you know perhaps even children that i had while

00:17:30.600 i was over there so yeah i mean i totally agree on that i mean on the point of on shifting it to

00:17:35.680 the shorter timescale i mean that is something fundamental different about your nation and mine

00:17:39.900 is that i recognized everything that you said about being half an inch of the to the right of

00:17:45.040 the left wing option and famously our conservative party basically became that they became heirs to

00:17:51.080 blair they positioned themselves that way but where i think we did get a bit different is the

00:17:56.160 the last election we basically the right wing has basically rejected the conservative party

00:18:00.620 and we knowingly took on the chin a Labour government in order to try and shift us away

00:18:05.440 from that and there's now an enormous fight between on the right between conservatives

00:18:09.200 Nigel Farage's reform uh the party that I support which is the most based option obviously of

00:18:14.320 Rupert's Lowe uh but we're willing to go through that in your country it's a little bit more

00:18:18.720 dangerous because you know it's fine making a statement in a deep red state but if you're

00:18:23.200 living in one that could go either way the Democrats are genuinely mad they genuinely

00:18:29.460 will come after your children they will try and indoctrinate them in school they will try and

00:18:34.120 turn them trans they they will let off career criminals and unfortunately i know our demographics 0.96

00:18:39.820 are bad but your demographic started from a worse place they will let generational criminals with 0.99

00:18:46.440 multiple convictions off so i mean honestly it's bloody difficult in your country to not treat the

00:18:53.460 next election as quite as existential that it is so i mean i i completely understand that we you

00:19:00.000 know we're trying to change the lens of the guy who's 20 years old today who might achieve high

00:19:04.880 office in 2045 and we'll start out on day one with a set of assumptions that appear completely

00:19:12.360 obvious to him that you and i are pushing now that are not necessarily obvious to to anyone

00:19:17.020 else on the right. But you do have basically a mad, insane, evil, demonic opposition that you're

00:19:26.040 running up against. Absolutely. And yet at the same time, you know, I feel like, you know, 0.52

00:19:33.040 they say that the only thing that incentivizes a person to change is when the cost of staying the

00:19:39.340 same, um, becomes greater than the cost of making the change. And the reality is, um, I, you know,

00:19:47.140 I have five kids, six kid on the way. I live in a border state, um, right there in Texas on our

00:19:54.620 Southern border. Um, I am white. My wife is white. Our children are white. We are Christian. Um,

00:20:02.240 I'm a public figure that people find incredibly controversial and millions of Americans know of

00:20:08.480 and hate, especially those on the left and some conservatives as well. And so because of all of

00:20:14.840 those things, I find myself as someone who is vulnerable. My children, my family are vulnerable.

00:20:20.860 We are a prime target for persecution and oppression. And yet at the very same time,

00:20:26.400 I recognize that if we're going to have any of the positive change that we want,

00:20:32.180 What I see in 2026, what I see going on in the political discourse today is I see conservatives, Christians in America, whites, heritage Americans in my country, essentially all crying out with one voice saying, you know what, it's not that bad.

00:20:53.820 That's what they're ultimately saying.

00:20:56.320 Because you would not vote the way that you vote.

00:20:59.980 You would not speak the way that you speak.

00:21:02.160 You would not advocate for the things they're advocating for

00:21:05.100 if at the end of the day, you were really hurting.

00:21:09.420 If at the end of the day, you really saw the threat.

00:21:13.040 I think of the frog that's slowly boiling in the pot.

00:21:18.620 What COVID and BLM and George Floyd

00:21:20.800 and all those things provided in God's providence

00:21:23.340 for the political right in my country

00:21:26.180 was we have this pot that the temperature dial

00:21:29.940 has slowly, progressively, gradually turned up

00:21:33.320 hotter and hotter decade after decade.

00:21:36.240 But in 2020, the left got cocky

00:21:39.620 and they overplayed their hand.

00:21:41.880 And it's as though the political left,

00:21:45.420 the progressives in my country

00:21:46.800 turned the dial suddenly up a few notches all at once.

00:21:51.880 And the frogs in the pot

00:21:53.380 that still had a few nerve endings intact

00:21:56.100 felt the change in temperature

00:21:58.840 because it happened suddenly

00:22:00.280 and actually began to jump out of the pot.

00:22:04.220 And so that's kind of what I'm hoping for.

00:22:07.400 Now, there is a difference in being an accelerationist

00:22:11.020 where you're actually trying to orchestrate

00:22:13.380 that scenario of events. I'm not an accelerationist and a large part is because I am a husband and a

00:22:22.440 father and I have a lot on the line. I have a lot to lose. So I'm not going into a voting booth

00:22:30.620 and voting for the worst options imaginable. And I'm not encouraging any of my followers to do

00:22:36.360 something like that. So I would not describe myself as an accelerationist,

00:22:41.300 But I would describe myself as somebody who has standards, who actually has convictions and certain virtues and who is unwilling to compromise election after election after election.

00:22:56.020 I think that there is a way of threading the needle where your conscience is clear before the Lord, where you're not intentionally doing evil so that good might result.

00:23:06.160 Romans chapter 3 talks about that and condemns that, says that's not a Christian practice.

00:23:12.040 The ends don't justify evil means.

00:23:15.040 So you're acting virtuous.

00:23:17.880 You're maintaining your standards, your convictions.

00:23:21.580 you're not an accelerationist,

00:23:23.300 but you are recognizing with prudence and wisdom

00:23:25.860 that by withholding your vote,

00:23:28.620 it is very possible that if enough people listen to you

00:23:31.800 and follow suit,

00:23:33.340 that the alternative, negative alternative

00:23:35.620 will come into power,

00:23:37.380 but you can be absolved of that.

00:23:39.980 If I, for instance, lived in Ohio

00:23:42.900 and I said, I'm not gonna vote for Vivek.

00:23:45.520 He despises heritage Americans.

00:23:47.740 He is an anchor baby 1.00

00:23:48.760 and he is a Hindu who worships false gods. 1.00

00:23:51.440 And that is simply not Christian and it's not American. 0.99

00:23:55.940 And my conscience under God 0.99

00:23:58.420 will not allow me to vote for him.

00:24:00.020 And so I'm going to abstain.

00:24:01.360 I'm not voting for Amy, but I'm also not voting for him.

00:24:03.780 That is not a sin.

00:24:05.320 And if that lends towards Amy being elected,

00:24:08.100 it's not my fault.

00:24:09.880 It is the GOP's fault for giving the only option to me

00:24:14.000 as a Christian American, heritage American,

00:24:16.780 a Hindu anchor baby. The GOP did that. Joel Webin did not do that. So they get the blame.

00:24:24.380 And I truly believe that. I believe God will hold the Republican party accountable for the

00:24:30.960 options that they chose wickedly to provide, not heritage patriotic Americans who said,

00:24:39.240 this isn't good enough and my conscience won't allow me to support it. So I think Christians 0.99

00:24:43.580 need to begin to think in those terms.

00:24:46.240 And then the hope is not that we're orchestrating

00:24:48.920 evil accelerationists,

00:24:50.360 but the hope is that providentially God might use that. 1.00

00:24:54.120 Right now, Amy Acton is slated to win

00:24:56.080 that through her victory,

00:24:59.260 that Ohio will experience mitigated,

00:25:03.460 hopefully mitigated,

00:25:04.760 but still, although mitigated,

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - October 06, 2026

PREVIEW： Brokenomics ｜ Politics and Faith After Trump with Joel (& Franklin) Webbon

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