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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to Brokernomics. Now in this episode I'm going to do something a little bit 0.99

00:00:03.900 different. At the weekend I went to something called the Witton. Now the Witton is an old

00:00:07.840 English sort of gathering of wise men and the king and they would get together in, I don't know,

00:00:14.360 ye olde times and have a discussion about what direction the country needed to go in and what

00:00:20.160 needed to be done. That has been revived and base people like me and Carl and other good characters

00:00:26.000 that you know from this channel. Went along to that and so what follows is a series of interviews

00:00:31.080 with some of the characters that were there. We had lots of speakers, lots of attendees,

00:00:36.660 fascinating discussions both in the conference hall and also outside of it. I'm not going to show

00:00:42.600 you the speeches themselves nor am I even going to give you all of the interviews that were done

00:00:50.340 with the various people because basically we just don't have enough time. There was so much going on

00:00:55.120 this weekend but I have pulled out a couple of people that I think be interesting to catch up

00:00:59.380 with. One was Morgoth of Morgoth Review. I had a chat with him. I had a chat with good old Alex

00:01:07.600 Masters who you remember from the election stream. An interesting German chap who gave a very good talk

00:01:14.460 on you know extrapolating from first principle physics what it meant for the energy system and

00:01:20.440 therefore you know politics is downstream of energy and all sorts of fascinating. Well he explains it

00:01:25.440 better than I do. And also there were a couple of representatives of the Homeland Party there

00:01:29.920 which is a new party which a lot of the audience keep telling me to check out and I just don't know

00:01:36.780 anything about them. But I did sit down with a couple of their chaps just to find out what on earth 1.00

00:01:40.400 is going on there. So you can find out about them if you don't already know. So enjoy this series of

00:01:46.480 interviews and if you think that's the sort of thing that you would like to be a part of well

00:01:50.560 maybe you should book a ticket to next year's Witten. Let's check them out. Hello so I'm here

00:01:55.980 in a secret location with Maven Politics just off screen. I'm going to ask you the big question

00:02:01.980 Maven. Why are we here? We're here because that's a very good question actually. Why are we here? We're

00:02:07.060 here really to discuss the theme of the conference and new order. What is the conference? This conference

00:02:11.100 is the Witten. It's a conference we've run for four years now. Okay. And it's a meeting of minds

00:02:17.720 from what we call the sensible centre or the academic intellectual side of people who are

00:02:25.140 critical of present politics and who are not on the left basically. Okay. And so we have people from

00:02:30.660 we have people that are physicists, we have artists, we have historians, we have all sorts of people

00:02:36.180 all here to discuss how to create something or how to envisage something different from the

00:02:42.720 But what actually is a Witten? Is that some sort of Japanese manga term or something? What is it?

00:02:47.000 It's a bit older than that. So the first Wittens were in England in the Anglo-Saxon times and there were

00:02:54.420 meetings of wise men and kings basically. Right. Appropriated in there. That they would get

00:02:59.640 together to discuss what the nation had to do? Basically. Yeah. And that's what we do? Well, you know, we try.

00:03:06.180 Excellent. So does this happen every year? Yes, so far. And we'll be planning next year's very soon. So we

00:03:12.300 already have ideas on what to do next. And yes, every year. So far, four years. Four years, sorry.

00:03:16.980 And what kind of questions is the conference trying to address? So every year is slightly different. So

00:03:23.960 last year, we talked about chaos, entropy, and the problem of entropy, basically, for those who want to

00:03:33.440 create an ordered system. And this year, we're talking about how to envisage a new world. Previously,

00:03:37.760 we've said we've discussed heritage and liberty. So every year is slightly different.

00:03:41.900 Okay. So, I mean, we're now, we've got, we've got one talk left to go because we've been doing this on the

00:03:49.620 last day. I know they've all been excellent, but pick out one. Tell us, tell us about a highlight talk

00:03:55.300 for you. The highlight is time. So my, every year we try to pick different new voices. And the two new voices

00:04:03.040 this year that I liked were, in particular, were Alex Masters, who, you know, if you're on those

00:04:07.500 diseases, you'll, you'll know him. And the, the shakamaka, the, the shadow maker. Oh, I interviewed

00:04:12.600 him. Yes. Yes. So both of those were talking about basic physics, engineering, real, real

00:04:18.760 world, real world problems, real world, you know, engineering, et cetera, which is a very

00:04:24.720 important part of, you know, everything. Well, they both had a similar message, didn't

00:04:27.900 they? Which was essentially, you know, you could worry too much about the politics, but actually

00:04:30.980 a lot of the politics stuff is downstream of real world practical stuff. And they talked a lot

00:04:35.220 about the real world practical stuff, such as energy and so on, and how it's going to

00:04:38.820 feed through. Such as energy and the, the, the problem of modern physics, not actually

00:04:43.340 producing anything of, of notes. We've done 70 years of particle physics, spent billions

00:04:47.260 and billions and billions and produced nothing from the actual core of those. Oh, the diminishing

00:04:50.420 returns, yeah. So, you know, this, this means that the, the world which we are currently

00:04:56.640 living, you know, it's not even the future, is going to be more, is about maintaining what

00:05:01.260 we have. And then therefore we should prepare for that essentially.

00:05:04.940 So, if somebody is listening to this and thinking, well, maybe I should come along next year,

00:05:10.180 what sort of person would fit into this environment and how do they do it?

00:05:12.940 Yeah. So if you basically look at our, follow our social media pages, essentially, for shieldings,

00:05:19.180 you can spell that in the, in the notes, it's a word.

00:05:21.460 Yes. Well, I won't be able to spell it, but somebody will.

00:05:23.260 Someone will. And if yes, if you like our headline speakers that we've had previously, you can

00:05:27.640 look at our YouTube channel where you can see examples of previous speeches. And if

00:05:32.020 you like them, you'll probably enjoy it. Such as me. Such as him, yeah. We, we found you

00:05:35.520 indeed, absolutely. You did, yes. I was just lost in the wilderness before that.

00:05:38.600 I know. Yes. Well, you know, picked you up.

00:05:41.440 Excellent. Good. Well, it has been a fascinating event and I look forward to the next one.

00:05:46.000 Wonderful. Thanks very much.

00:05:48.320 Hello. I'm here at Witten 2024 with this chap who I know.

00:05:53.320 It's, uh, yes, it's Alex Masters, uh, fame of, um, election night specials.

00:05:57.700 Yes. So, uh, good to be back in the old mucky here.

00:06:00.580 Alex, what did you talk about this year?

00:06:02.420 I talked about, what did I talk about? I talked about, um, the title was, uh, power-assisted

00:06:08.080 friend-enemy distinction. Right. That sounds useful.

00:06:10.500 Um, so really I was looking at the, uh, energy ecosystem in the country, uh, where our energy

00:06:16.880 comes from, how it's used, where it goes. Um, but use that as a bit of a thing to talk about

00:06:22.920 how quite a lot of the renewable energy thing is a scam.

00:06:25.420 Okay. Um, cause it doesn't deliver on its own prices.

00:06:27.300 But I mean, on, on, on energy, I mean, obviously we are now in the future.

00:06:31.300 Yes. And from the past. So the past they had less energy and now we have more energy.

00:06:35.560 Well, you would hope that, but actually it's not really true.

00:06:39.220 Oh. Um, since the sort of mid nineties, uh, the trend has been ever downwards.

00:06:44.300 So we're producing less energy now than we were say 20 years ago.

00:06:47.400 Yes. Much less. Um, obviously we've killed our coal industry. 1.00

00:06:51.020 Right.

00:06:51.820 That's dead. Berries. Um, the oil and gas reserves in the North Sea are largely depleted and haven't

00:06:57.820 been invested in properly. Uh, so the amount coming out of them has dropped off massively.

00:07:02.900 Okay. Uh, and we haven't really got anything to put back into them. They've, they've put

00:07:07.900 a lot of money into wind and solar and it just doesn't work.

00:07:09.900 Well, what about all of that stuff? Isn't that just going up and making up for it?

00:07:13.900 Um, the nominal capacity is going up. Right. The actual amount of electricity it's making

00:07:18.860 is not. Right.

00:07:21.400 Because. Okay.

00:07:22.400 Um, only today it's, it's overcast. So. Oh yes.

00:07:25.400 All those millions of solar panels. It's supposed to be summer.

00:07:27.400 Are not doing anything. Yes. Uh, and it's not particularly windy.

00:07:31.900 No. So. And as you pointed out, it can also be windy at night, which is fantastic.

00:07:36.020 I'm generating loads of energy, but there's nobody trying to. Everybody's in bed.

00:07:38.900 Nobody trying to boil your kettle. No. Yes. No.

00:07:41.900 Okay. Well that, so is that why I've swapped out my light bulbs for these little efficient

00:07:47.900 things, but my energy bill goes up anyway?

00:07:50.400 Yes. Okay. Yes. Because obviously whilst the infrastructure is not generating electricity,

00:07:55.900 you still have to pay maintenance costs and pay the chaps to go around in the vans and 1.00

00:07:59.900 make sure everything's greased. Okay. But I mean, we, we're governed by smart people.

00:08:04.900 So what? Nominally. Kind of. So, so why is this happening?

00:08:09.900 Ultimately it's because they're, they are smart in the wrong places. Right.

00:08:14.900 Um, they know an awful lot about international relations or business management or something

00:08:20.900 like that. They, they don't know a lot about technology. No.

00:08:24.900 No. So when they look at a wind turbine, they go, Ooh, it's very shiny and white and, uh,

00:08:32.900 it doesn't emit lots of black smoke. Yes.

00:08:34.900 Uh, that, that's a nice technology. Um, I don't like steel works because it smells funny and

00:08:41.900 it's very loud. And so they don't like that. Uh, it, it goes for a whole range of technical

00:08:47.900 and non-tech issues where essentially they look at things that are existing, go that's

00:08:54.900 old and we want progress. So we want to progress beyond the old dirty thing. Unfortunately,

00:09:01.900 the old dirty thing is basically the foundations of all national wealth. So they just cut it

00:09:06.900 out. Okay. And yes, end up living in a bubble. So let's assume that, um, you know, we're

00:09:11.900 going to get to a point where this all goes horribly wrong. Yes. How do we make sure our friends

00:09:16.900 have energy? Well, there, fortunately there are a number of what I call alternative,

00:09:22.900 alternative energies. Um, one of the statistics I managed to pull out this, uh, time was although,

00:09:29.900 um, what they call bioenergy is a tiny, tiny fraction of the nominal capacity. It's about

00:09:35.900 half of the total energy actually consumed in the country. So it's this tiny little business,

00:09:40.900 which is making half of all the renewable energy. Hmm. So there's a lot of technologies there

00:09:45.900 around, uh, solid fuels, liquid fuels, gaseous fuels, and, and other such projects, which

00:09:52.900 can be done at a local level. Um, that's the great thing about a lot of these projects is

00:09:58.900 they've, they've really come from, um, the tech has matured in the third world. Hmm. So

00:10:04.900 it's really designed, you know, so these are actually viable on a small scale. Yeah. You

00:10:08.900 could, you could have a little Cornish or Devonshire-ish energy thing. A Cornwall or Devon energy

00:10:15.900 thing. Yes. Using, you know, your mate's farm. And you're building the model of how this could

00:10:19.900 actually work. Yes. Yeah. That sounds clever. Well, we've got, we've got a national electricity

00:10:23.900 grid. Yes. Where you can buy and sell electricity. We've got a national gas grid. We've got a pretty

00:10:28.900 decent transport system around the world. We've got, you know, tens of thousands of petrol

00:10:31.900 stations. Excellent. Um, so if we, if we look at energy in terms of energy, not as a synonym

00:10:39.900 for electricity, suddenly all these other things start to appear. Because if you think

00:10:44.900 of energy as petrol, and then you go, well, how can I make my own petrol? And it turns out

00:10:49.900 there's a bunch of processes that even the mid-century Germans were using to make their own,

00:10:54.900 make their own petrol. They're ahead of their, they're ahead of things in many ways. Yes.

00:10:58.900 Yes. Well, you look at, um, you know, the late 19th century into the mid 20th century,

00:11:03.900 um, all the chemical processes have German names. Yes, they do, don't they? Because they got 0.98

00:11:08.900 quite good at chemistry for a number of reasons. Yes. We should explore that some. Um, so, uh,

00:11:15.900 I think people already know you quite well, but just in case they don't, where can they

00:11:18.900 find more of you? You can find me all over the place, um, popping up in various live streams

00:11:24.900 and, uh, and various events. Uh, I'm Alex, that steam guy on Twitter. Uh, that's probably

00:11:29.900 the best place to, uh, find me. And I put up what I'm doing with my life and where we can

00:11:33.900 meet up and, and have a chat. Superb. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

00:11:37.900 Hello. I'm here at, uh, Witten 2024 and I have a special guest who is a lot more sensible

00:11:42.900 than me about face-toxing. I'm here with Morgoth. Hello. So, Morgoth, um, I've been wanting

00:11:49.900 to talk to you for a while actually about the plight of the white working class. And I know

00:11:52.900 you're not face-toxing, but would it be fair to say that, that you're part of the white working

00:11:56.900 class? Yeah. Uh, yeah, I'm, I'm completely, the way I talk, my mannerisms, um, uh, I mean,

00:12:05.900 I, yeah, I don't want to sound pretentious, but I, I'm, I'm, I'm a little bit different,

00:12:09.900 I think. But I've, I've spent a lifetime in minimum weird shit jobs, uh, slumming it. So,

00:12:14.900 yeah, I'm, I'm definitely off that, that ilk. Yeah. But I mean, you've been active doing

00:12:19.900 your thing for a while now, haven't you? Yeah, a long time. Um, I, and, I mean,

00:12:26.900 there was really, if you go back on that, on that basis, I, in about 1999, I did the Gen

00:12:33.900 X thing where me and me mate, uh, went backpacking, Looney Planet and all of that. And then when

00:12:39.900 we actually left the North East, I began to realise that the North East at that point

00:12:44.900 was a complete bubble. And you had Daily Mail articles saying like the North East was 30

00:12:48.900 years behind the rest of the country and, and it's social mores and all of that. So

00:12:53.900 I grew up in a, in a place where what today would be called racism was just normal. It

00:12:59.900 was just the normal ethnocentrism. Well, and it still is in the rest of the world. Yeah.

00:13:04.900 Uh, and then when I began to travel around more and more, um, I began to see that actually,

00:13:09.900 uh, where I come from is actually a bubble and it horrified us. Um, and I, I, I, I began

00:13:16.900 to ask questions. This is before the internet, so I didn't, and I, but the point is I immediately

00:13:23.900 knew that when I arrived in Paris, it was a shit hole and that something had gone really,

00:13:29.900 really badly. How long ago was this? That would be 99. Yeah. Right. Okay. Um, and I,

00:13:34.900 so before it got really bad then. Yeah. And, and, and then I, I traveled all, well, basically

00:13:41.900 I did the backpacking thing around Europe and I stayed in Europe working for a long time.

00:13:45.900 And so I became very accustomed to, uh, the multicultural experience. And I, and at this

00:13:51.900 point I remember, um, I used to get the Sunday Times on a Monday. It was like my big read of

00:13:57.900 the week and it was, it was massive. And I remember the first time I ever heard the term

00:14:02.900 multiculturalism was in some statement by Gordon Brown in about 2004. And I knew it was bullshit

00:14:08.900 straight away. I knew, I'd never come across that word before and it just jumped out of it

00:14:13.900 and I thought, nobody asked for this. What, what, what, what's this? Where's this coming from?

00:14:18.900 Um, and so I just never agreed with it anyway. I, I never had like a liberal face. I was never a

00:14:24.900 libertarian or anything like that. I was apolitical, taking things for granted to sort of nationalists.

00:14:33.900 Uh, in, in, I always had that, uh, in group preference. Um, but what I also noticed, I began to talk

00:14:41.900 to people in bars about it, about, say, say in Belgium, it would be about the Turks that were there,

00:14:46.900 or under Holland, the Moroccans, or, and, and they, I noticed that like, it wasn't just that this had

00:14:53.900 gone wrong. Firstly, I, I realized that this is coming in everywhere. So the first place I saw was

00:14:59.900 France. And I thought, I can understand that one government in Europe would make, make a mistake.

00:15:06.900 A bad policy decision. Uh, so, some kind of weird sort of bureaucratic mess up after French left

00:15:14.900 North Africa or something like, okay, all right, I, I get that. But I couldn't see how it was repeating

00:15:18.900 all over the place. And then on top of that, it was like the language that was being used

00:15:24.900 was also the same to suppress dissent. So, uh, everybody was just being called racist. And for the first time,

00:15:31.900 of course I'd heard that word before, but then when I saw it in a proper context, it was, I thought,

00:15:37.900 actually, this is really bad. So you, so what, it's illegitimate for us to speak up against an endless

00:15:46.900 flow of foreigners. And, and so eventually, um, I came across, uh, people like Mark Stein, uh, and the

00:15:55.900 and the counter jihad stuff. There was a, a blogger called Fjordman. Of course, I, and I remember

00:16:01.900 I had a, I had a Flemish girlfriend and was sat and read his blog and it was called, uh, it was about

00:16:06.900 Sweden. And again, I never, I never, I never considered that there were hundreds of thousands

00:16:13.900 of people from the Middle East, uh, moving to Sweden. That, I, I just couldn't, I just couldn't 1.00

00:16:19.900 understand it. It just seemed mad. Um, and he had a blog post that was, hit me like a bombshell

00:16:26.900 and it was called, how much is a gang rape worth to GDP? And it was like a four, 5,000 word essay

00:16:33.900 on, on the carnage. This, again, this is now 20 years ago in Sweden. Yeah. Um, and I sat and read it

00:16:39.900 all night on me, my girlfriend I had at the time on our laptop and it was a, I was just completely

00:16:44.900 sort of radicalized. It's, it's surprisingly low, the number. So when I worked out for,

00:16:50.900 um, murders and it's a couple of million, which is quite a low price to, I mean, you couldn't,

00:16:55.900 if you wanted to get a hunting license to go out and shoot random people in the street, you know,

00:17:00.900 you, you, you'd be doing well to get one of those, but that that's only if you just take

00:17:04.900 the actual murders. If you take all the stabbings, the crimes, the rapes, the frauds, the benefit,

00:17:09.900 it, it, it breaks it down. It's actually a surprisingly vanishingly small number and it's probably

00:17:13.900 not even a positive number. In fact, I doubt it's a positive number. Yeah. And well, yeah.

00:17:18.900 And I thought, I think that's an interesting thing as well, because I, it wasn't just that

00:17:23.900 you are living lovey dovey and everybody's the same and everybody loves each other, but

00:17:27.900 then there's stabbings and murder. Sometimes there's a, say you don't move just from one

00:17:32.900 to 10, you actually hover around a six or a seven. Um, and there's always like this look

00:17:38.900 that I always saw in with me realize in the real world kind of things that didn't quite

00:17:44.900 make sense. So there was, I worked with some, uh, a couple of black lads and mobile phones

00:17:49.900 were just coming in with photographs on, and they both had, they both had Dutch girlfriends

00:17:54.900 and they both had, uh, like pornographic imagery of the, their girlfriends on their phones.

00:18:00.900 And they were swapping it and showing each other what they'd made her do last night.

00:18:05.900 And to me, and I was incensed by that. But what it also told me is that like, they didn't come,

00:18:12.900 they, they, they, they had a bond with each other there, which was obviously stronger than the bond with her.

00:18:21.900 Yes. Yes. So the, and I was thinking the in group, out group kind of preferences at this time as well.

00:18:29.900 Uh, this is funny going back, but I bought, uh, I heard that Richard Dawkins was like, he doesn't

00:18:35.900 take any prisoners and he says it as it is. Cause I'd read a lot on history and things.

00:18:39.900 And I, I actually, I've actually read almost Richard Dawkins entire canon, like the whole stuff up with genetics.

00:18:45.900 Yeah, I read it. Yeah. And he had one called the ancestors tale and it's, it's, it's massive.

00:18:50.900 And I read the whole thing and you start off as like a microbe and you work your way into like a primitive fish.

00:18:56.900 And then, you know, and, and he's, he's expert. And I thought I'm going to go through all the way through this.

00:19:01.900 And at the end, because Richard Dawkins tells the truth, he's going to explain human evolution.

00:19:07.900 And why, why there is differences in humans. And I got all the way through.

00:19:12.900 And I was like, Oh, what, what, what, what, what, we're at the bad jazz.

00:19:15.900 Well, what we're moving on and while we're moving on to the monkeys and then we're chimpanzees.

00:19:19.900 And then, and then it was like, Oh, it's coming. It's coming. I know the answer to me questions is coming.

00:19:25.900 And then it was like, and then who must have the ends of born the end.

00:19:28.900 And I was like, okay, yeah, that's shit.

00:19:30.900 You need to read your Ed Dutton at least.

00:19:32.900 Yeah. Yeah. I'm not getting the answers from the mainstream. Why is it?

00:19:36.900 So then, so then you, you begin to think, why not? Why, why if you begin, everything begins to fall away from your eyes.

00:19:44.900 I can obviously see there's differences between like a Chinese men and an African, and that's not, I'm not applying any kind of value to that.

00:19:51.900 Yeah. It's just a statement of fact.

00:19:53.900 And if you have just read all of this evolutionary theory, and we, which is based on, you know, adapting to your climate and conditions.

00:20:03.900 Yeah. Then we've got different climates and conditions.

00:20:06.900 Yeah.

00:20:07.900 And it was that, what I was coming up against was this idea where, you know, the Libtao thing where there's no, like, everybody is like, as soon as everybody left Africa, everything stopped.

00:20:20.900 Because half a million years later, Marxist theory would need to explain that away. And they couldn't do that. So they just kind of conveniently stopped evolution.

00:20:30.900 Yes. It's like, yes, we have bears, but you don't take a whole load of panda bears and brown bears and stick them in the Antarctic or the Arctic, whatever you want.

00:20:37.900 Yeah. Yeah. Because, because if there is these conditions hard baked in the humanity, then you're never going to get equality because there's too much difference.

00:20:46.900 You've spoken recently about a bit of nostalgia of the 90s, as middle aged men are inclined to do, look back on their younger years and think the world was great back then. But I mean, it was a bit different.

00:20:58.900 And then I remember the sort of the narrative on the, on the sort of non-white groups was, well, these people are a bit of disadvantage and we're going to, we're going to help them up a bit.

00:21:06.900 I mean, it was generally sort of a sort of background. These days, it's quite blatant. They despise, I don't, I, I'm not sure I'd necessarily want to say, and maybe, maybe you would, they despise all whites, but they certainly hate the white working class.

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