PREVIEW： Brokenomics ｜ Will Trump Win？ with Dr. Steve Turley
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We're a week from Election Day, and there's a lot to be optimistic about. We talk to Dr. Steve Turley about why we should be optimistic, and why we shouldn't be. Plus, we talk about why it's a good idea to vote early.
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Hello, and welcome to Brokernomics. Now, as you can see, I've been upgraded to the main studio today.
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The tech gremlins have eaten my library, so we have people working on that.
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Now, we're a week away from the election, possibly one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime.
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Now, I know they always say that, but normally that's not true.
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It really doesn't make any difference if it's Obama or whoever that other guy was.
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You know, a lot of the time it's just uniparty versus uniparty, but this time it really does matter.
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On one hand, you've got a man who could save Western civilization against a low IQ puppet who would start World War III if they told it to or put it on the teleprompter.
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So what I really need in these nail-biting last few days before the election is I need an injection of optimism.
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And for that, we've reached out to fan favorite Dr. Steve Turley.
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Dan, it's an honor. It's great to be with kindred spirits here.
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And what are your optimism levels going into this?
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Well, Dan, I was raised in a middle-class neighborhood with...
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No, that's been Kamala's stock answer for anything she's asked.
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Well, it's funny because we've just been through an election where the guy...
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My dad was a toolmaker, so I know what you're going through.
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Yeah, they must have the same advisors of the advisor class.
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There is definitely a sense among the right here that this may be it.
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All the indicators certainly seem to suggest that.
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I mean, that's an insult to the third world, to be honest with you.
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Each state is in charge of their own elections.
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So Florida always wraps up the results within basically an hour or two after the polls close.
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Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.
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Oh, we'll know in three days, four days after the election.
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And it just, it really does reek of corruption for a lot of people.
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We're all still kind of traumatized from 2020 when Trump almost pulled it off.
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It came within 40,000 votes of winning that election.
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And it was just so clearly the establishment just united against him.
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Talk about election interference all the way through.
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And then that same establishment, particularly the legacy media, tells us, oh, no, it's the
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most pristine election ever to have taken place in the history of humanity.
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So I think there's still a lot of trauma that's getting worked out.
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You know, we're still trying to get over those ghosts.
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But all the indicators show Trump is stronger than he has ever been, either in 2016 or 2020.
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And the Democrat is weaker than they've ever been.
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Well, I mean, it's probably no coincidence that the swing states are the ones that take
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I'm sure that's not, you know, that's not happenstance.
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I think if this was a normal election, everything I'm seeing tells me that Trump would absolutely
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But of course, the question is, can he win by greater than the margin that they couldn't
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Yeah, and I look at some things and I think it's a deadlock.
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And then I listen to people like, I don't say, Mike Benz, who looks a lot at the security
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I mean, how much protection is there in the system against, you know, just sheer vote
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I mean, how much can they really do if they need to?
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There is, the system is designed to be confusing, like our tax systems.
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And unfortunately, yeah, Benz is pressing on a soft spot in our elections.
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Just, you would hope that there's still, at least at the state level, because that's
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It's not the federal governments, the state governments, that there's still enough integrity
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there for this to be a fair and free election, basically.
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You know, there's still going to be a bunch of cheating there, no question.
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And Philly is notorious for, you know, having 105% turnout in some districts, you know.
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So, um, but that is impressive civil engagement.
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That is my late grandparents didn't know they voted for Obama, you know.
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It's, uh, again, though, one of the things we do have to, we'll bring the optimism back.
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We have to protect ourselves from, uh, is what we call doomerism.
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Uh, what I like to say is stop dooming about it and do something about it.
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I mean, contact your local officials and the like, make sure they're doing whatever they,
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um, possibly can to secure the democratic integrity of this election.
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Because again, I don't, to be honest with you, Dan, I just got to tell you, I don't know
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how Kamala can win legitimately in the eyes of, oh yeah, we're talking to 80 million people
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right now that just, no matter what they could blame, they can blame Trump's loss on Jack
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Smith and our, our, the prosecution and the lawfare.
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They can blame it on the way the media has been covering up for, uh, for Kamala.
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They can blame it on just, you know, blatant nefarious forces and behind the, uh, the polling
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in, in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, they can blame it all kinds of things that
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This, this is unfortunately the, the toll of 2020.
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So, uh, well, actually, I mean, on that, they might be doing us a favor because if this
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was a normal election, a lot of people might feel that they don't need to do their best,
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but they don't need to go out and vote because it's such a lot for Trump.
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Whereas raising this ambiguity and everybody knowing that they need to vote so strong that
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it goes beyond the margin of fortification, it could actually end up rebounding in our
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Um, it's, it seems, it seems to be happening, uh, with the early voting.
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Well, the, uh, yeah, the Republicans are crushing it.
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We've never seen early voting numbers like this.
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I mean, they're, they're ahead in North Carolina.
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Democrats, Republicans are election day civic duty voters.
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Is that because of there's always election day shenanigans.
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I mean, I remember things like sending the wrong size ballot papers out to coincidentally,
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um, only Republican voting areas so that they wouldn't run through the, you know, the automatic
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counting machines, you know, doing other things, you know, uh, not, not giving the right
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power supply to the voting machines in Republican only areas by coincidence, but there was long
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Is, is it Republicans are sort of wising up to, they know that they're going to, they
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are actively going to be disenfranchised and therefore they need to pull every lever.
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I think we've been waiting for this for four years.
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We've been waiting for this moment for four years.
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We knew Trump was going to come back for a third go.
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Uh, we, we knew this was going to be Trump 2.0 and we just, they've been galvanized and
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now Laura Trump, his daughter-in-law, uh, she's in charge of the Republican National
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Committee along with, uh, with Mike Watley, who was instrumental in, uh, turning the Republican
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I think, I think they're, I think they're up to it again.
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But right now, as we speak, Republicans are crushing early voting like never before.
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And I just think it's, it's been this get out the vote effort, this, uh, voter registration
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effort and, uh, and, and also get getting out what we call low propensity to no propensity
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So voters who didn't vote, who only voted in one of the last four elections, they're
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called low propensity and voters that didn't vote in any of the last four elections are
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And we're finding, uh, they're coming out in spades for early voting that, that comes
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through the voter registration efforts and, and ballot chasing and all that.
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And, uh, they're voting overwhelmingly Republican, very similar.
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We'll talk about, I'm sure, very similar to the Brexit vote, uh, where, where low prop
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and no prop voters came out in mass to vote for that referendum.
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I mean, I, I've, I've seen a number of clips at this point of, um, these sort of vox pops
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on the streets of, of black men being asked which way they're going to vote.
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And now, of course, historically, they've always gone very heavily Democrat and to a man,
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they're going, there's no way I'm letting that woman to be president.
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Um, yeah, it's stunning and, and it's gotten so bad now that they're blaming, they're not
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So it's men, it's men who, who, uh, I love, uh, who was it who said it?
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Um, men are worried about strong, independent women who are, uh, who are seeking power.
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Yeah, I think this is Mika Brzezinski from MSNBC.
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They're embracing fascism to stop these strong, independent women from, from, uh, taking power.
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And I'm thinking, you mean like Georgia Maloney?
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So, so, so strong, independent women, strong, independent women seeking power.
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Do you, do I need to actually bring back to you the headlines that were greeting Georgia
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Maloney and, uh, Marine Le Pen or the, uh, Lee, I'm forgetting her name, the leader of
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the AFD, the alternative for Deutschland, uh, you know, they're, they're, I mean, yeah,
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I mean, yeah, there's a whole bunch of them, isn't there?
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They have females, strong females leading them, but who are fascists in the end, they
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just have no intellectual credibility whatsoever at this point.
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So, I mean, a number of, I mean, we're here to talk about your book, which is excellent,
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by the way, we are definitely coming to that, but I just want to catch up on a couple of
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I mean, the, the big political events has been many, but I mean, I think we'd probably
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focus on things like, um, JD Vance coming on board, um, the candidates switching to Kamala,
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Um, yeah, I mean, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we're on the front, you, you were
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We, we, we, we did what we could on that one, but, uh, but yeah, so, I mean, uh, I mean,
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I mean, what do you want to go with, uh, um, JD Vance, I think was the first, wasn't,
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no, actually, no, the assassination was first, wasn't it?
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So that would have been a week, about a week before he chose JD Vance.
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Cause he, it was on a Saturday and they had the Republican convention that week, that following
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I mean, what, what, what's your assessment of that pick?
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It's, it's absolutely, it's, Vance has solidified the fact that the Republican party is now officially
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So Trump in many ways is a third party candidate, right?
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So it'd be something akin to Farage taking over the Tories and just totally revamping them.
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The Republicans have, have fought tooth and nail all these eight years, uh, for this.
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debate where he demolished Tim Walz, who just ended up looking like a cartoon character
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Um, he has now solidified the future of the Republican party as a MAGA, uh, party as, as
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That's so you're confident that MAGA will outlift Trump.
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The, because again, we, we have a lot of that, uh, uh, oh, we owe over to you because
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of the, the very similar processes that, uh, that animated Brexit and that will continue
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Uh, granted we are, I like to tell our audience, if you're worried about globalism and globalists
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and liberals and so forth, I'm sorry, you got to look in the mirror.
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We are it for places like Russia or China or, uh, India or Turkey, uh, liberal globalism
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You know, they're trying, they're trying to take over their country.
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And so they can galvanize their people and push it back almost like, you know, uh, Attila
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the Hun threat or something akin to that for us, for us, although you have a little bit
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of that with the, you had that with the bullies in Brussels for us, it's a civil war.
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These guys, these guys are entrenched in all of our cultural institutions.
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They have all the lives of power and, um, it's going to take time to literally exorcise
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But the argument I try to make, and I think JD Vance would be a perfect embodiment of it
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is that there, these are just, you know, history moves like a, like a tide in the ocean
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and we're on a raft and we can kind of move around and rearrange the tape, the chairs in
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And what I try to do is look at the big picture trends to show we're moving in a direction
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that I think, uh, all of us would say is, uh, is the direction of, of sanity and yeah.
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I don't know if you, if you use the word, if you use those words, you describe it like
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I can't remember, but that is very much the kind of message that you're getting across,
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but there is that sort of groundswell that is happening.
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So, so yes, we must come to that, but, but also very quickly, um, Kamala.
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The, the, the most, the most, probably the most fabricated public figure on the planet
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I mean, what do you say when she was in a law, when she was a, she was a district attorney,
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the joke was in California, that if you were a defense attorney and you found out you were
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going up against Kamala Harris, uh, in the prosecution, you high fived your client said,
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She was known all across, all across the Western legal system as one of the stupidest morons
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She, you just compare her mind to someone like a JD Vance.
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And I mean, it's just, I mean, there's, I don't know what do you even say about it?
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It's obviously she just, she has a really hard time being in front of a camera, being in
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front of people, being, being in front of us, a puffball interviewer.
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Is it possible that DEI got her all the way to running for president?
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And you have about 43, 45% of our population ready to reward that because they hate the
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They've learned to hate the, uh, the MAGA side, uh, so much.
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Um, and, and, and again, it's similar dynamics I know are going across the pond, um, where
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literally, yeah, where, we're just, where I, I have to say on our side, I have to say
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because probably because of the, the, um, the strength of religiosity and traditional
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Christianity, uh, on our side, there's still an empathy that I see for people on the left.
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I mean, you see it even just the way, the way we stand up for free speech.
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No, go ahead, say your piece, but allow me to say mine and let's, let's let the best
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I think this is why Elon Musk has been coming over and Jordan Peterson have been coming over
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to our side, but their side is just animated with this radical perspectivalism that says,
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if you do not, if you do not comport to our way of thinking, you ironically are a heretic
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And there is, there is a level up from there, isn't there?
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Um, I've, I've got to get your take on the assassination.
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You do, you have a touching anecdote, I think at the end of the book, but I, I get the impression
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most of this book was written by the time the, the assassination taken place, but you've
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got a touching story at the end, which I won't spoil for people.
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Um, but yeah, what, what, what, what was your, what was your take on, well, what, what are
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Um, it, it was, we've all been, we've all been saying it's not a matter of if it's only
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We've all been saying that because the rhetoric against Trump is so over the top.
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I think the latest article, was it from the Atlantic or the New Yorker?
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Uh, Trump sound, what was the, it was the headline Trump sounds like Hitler, Mussolini
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and Mao all rolled up in one and everyone just started to lie.
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So we've graduated from Trump is Hitler to Trump is Mussolini to Trump is Mao to now let's
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And, and, and one of the most famous moral dilemmas, uh, that we have in hypothetical
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ethics is, you know, if you could have taken Hitler out, would you have?
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Uh, you know, this, this kid crook tried to ironically, ironic last name, uh, tried to
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take him out and the, and the radical incompetence.
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I mean, somebody actually described it as apocalyptic incompetence on the part of the
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secret service does seem to suggest a kind of intentional neglect.
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You could view it as sort of this sarcastic terrorism term that the left sort of originally
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You can say, okay, well, on one hand, they're creating, um, a pool of likely shooters with
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Um, now they know that in any large population, you've got, you know, 350 million people to
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You are going to generate naturally a number of people who are want to, want to take that
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And the only thing you need to add to that is opportunity.
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Um, and it is quite clear that opportunities are being left open in order for that to happen.
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And, you know, this story has gone very quiet, like a lot of these things do.
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I mean, the Las Vegas shooter and a whole bunch of other ones, they've, they've gone
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very quiet and Trump seems to go very quiet on it himself.
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But I don't think missing a bullet by a quarter of an inch is the sort of thing that you just
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I hope that he's going to bring the hammer down on the deep state and, and the, and the
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mechanisms that the liberals are running the moment he comes to power.
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Yes, with him and with Robert Kennedy, Robert Kennedy Jr.
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was one of the first people we talked about, talked to afterward.
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That's when they, they made the decision, uh, to realign, create a populist alignment
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between the two and, uh, and Elon Musk as well.
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You know, I remember when I took over Twitter, I fired 80% of the workforce there.
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I mean, one of the guys said to me here, he says, um, do you think maybe we're doing too
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And I've, and I said to him, well, yeah, but if, if this was 48 BC and we had a podcast
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then, would you be complaining that we're doing too many segments about Pompey and Caesar
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And you don't know, you, you, you, you got, you got to go with the great men of the time,
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It's what, um, I think Patrick Deneen refers to as, uh, aristopopulism, where he draws from
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Aristotle said you can, you can have an oligarchy that rules for its own values, interests, concerns,
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and, uh, completely, uh, disregards and dismisses the people, this sort of Marie Antoinette sort
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Uh, or on the other hand, you can have, uh, a total mass, you know, French revolution uprising
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democracy in its ultimate sense, which is a mob rule.
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And again, the best of when British society is at its best, this is what you guys do.
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Like no one else, you have an aristocracy that puts into reality that, that uses their
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power and their influence to make a reality, the values and interests and concerns of the
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people who do not have the means to do it themselves.
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And when you have an, an aristopopulism like that, Aristotle says you have the basis for
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You want competing, um, tendencies amongst the elites, because if it's not going to be
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amongst the elites, that circulation of power, it's going to be, it's going to have to be
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It's going to have to be that full undoing of a civilization, which could be quite cathartic
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at this point, but it would also be, you know, there'd be a lot of drama that went
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So you want these sort of competing tensions in the elites, but we've had the, we've had
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for decades now, a system where the system has been so predictable and so uniform that
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we've had a class of elites who are all basically aligned interest.
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And that, and that's simply by virtue of the fact that you would not be an elite if
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you did not compete very well in this stable environment.
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So you've got this stable elite, but now we've got, we've got a new elite emerging.
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Um, you know, Elon is probably the best example of that.
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I mean, the, the, the former PayPal guys, you know, the David Sachs and the, um, Peter
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You're getting all of these characters emerging.
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It looks like they're not happy having all of this sort of power and money, but no sort
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And they're, yeah, they're going to try and push through one way or another.
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And to close the loop on that, JD Vance embodies that because JD Vance made his money with Peter
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So he, he brings together Appalachian working class with the new tech, right?
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That's rising up these kind of anti-Silicon Valley techies like Elon Musk, like Peter
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Uh, and, and no one embodies the sort of aristopopulist, um, uh, movement, uh, like, uh, JD Vance.
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So Steve, it was, it was so good to catch up, but we must move on to your book because I
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Um, I, I, I, there were many things I like about it.
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The message, obviously, but I also like the fact that it gets to the point, it delivers
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its point and it, and it, it doesn't run on anything.
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I'll tell you the amount of books I read these days, the sort of 300 pages long and the second
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So I, I really appreciate that if nothing else, but let, let, let, let's, let's jump into,
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into some of the points you're making there because you start off in, in, in the first
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chapter, the first part of the book talking about the rise of liberalism.
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So what is it about liberalism that makes it so incompatible with a decent functioning
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