The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters - PREVIEW： Brokenomics ｜ Will Trump Win？ with Dr. Steve Turley

00:00:00.120 Hello, and welcome to Brokernomics. Now, as you can see, I've been upgraded to the main studio today.

00:00:04.680 The tech gremlins have eaten my library, so we have people working on that.

00:00:09.620 Now, we're a week away from the election, possibly one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime.

00:00:16.720 Now, I know they always say that, but normally that's not true.

00:00:19.240 It really doesn't make any difference if it's Obama or whoever that other guy was.

00:00:23.220 I've forgotten his name already.

00:00:24.180 You know, a lot of the time it's just uniparty versus uniparty, but this time it really does matter.

00:00:30.700 On one hand, you've got a man who could save Western civilization against a low IQ puppet who would start World War III if they told it to or put it on the teleprompter.

00:00:38.600 So what I really need in these nail-biting last few days before the election is I need an injection of optimism.

00:00:45.360 And for that, we've reached out to fan favorite Dr. Steve Turley.

00:00:49.580 Welcome back to Brokernomics. 0.98

00:00:50.640 Dan, it's an honor. It's great to be with kindred spirits here.

00:00:54.380 I'll try to be as optimistic as I can.

00:00:57.660 Well, how is the optimism going?

00:00:59.520 And what are your optimism levels going into this?

00:01:03.120 Well, Dan, I was raised in a middle-class neighborhood with...

00:01:06.320 No, that's been Kamala's stock answer for anything she's asked.

00:01:13.180 Well, it's funny because we've just been through an election where the guy...

00:01:16.680 Every single question was...

00:01:17.900 My dad was a toolmaker, so I know what you're going through.

00:01:20.640 Yeah, they must have the same advisors of the advisor class.

00:01:24.540 It's just...

00:01:25.100 They're the same on both sides of the pond.

00:01:27.480 Yeah, I think there is cautious optimism.

00:01:32.800 There is definitely a sense among the right here that this may be it.

00:01:40.380 Kamala looks like she's collapsing. 1.00

00:01:42.440 All the indicators certainly seem to suggest that.

00:01:45.180 But people are very worried.

00:01:47.960 We were talking before the interview.

00:01:50.580 Our elections are basically third world.

00:01:53.160 I mean, that's an insult to the third world, to be honest with you. 1.00

00:01:56.940 Our elections...

00:01:58.460 They come down to the different states.

00:02:00.760 Each state is in charge of their own elections.

00:02:03.440 So Florida always wraps up the results within basically an hour or two after the polls close.

00:02:10.600 Texas always gives you the results.

00:02:13.000 Tennessee, North Carolina, you name it.

00:02:15.480 It's always those states like Georgia.

00:02:18.660 These swing states, as we call them.

00:02:20.420 Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

00:02:24.480 Oh, we'll know in three days, four days after the election.

00:02:27.460 And it just, it really does reek of corruption for a lot of people.

00:02:32.980 So there's a lot of concern there.

00:02:34.440 We're all still kind of traumatized from 2020 when Trump almost pulled it off.

00:02:39.700 It came within 40,000 votes of winning that election.

00:02:43.620 And it was just so clearly the establishment just united against him.

00:02:51.000 Talk about election interference all the way through.

00:02:53.860 And then that same establishment, particularly the legacy media, tells us, oh, no, it's the

00:02:58.440 most pristine election ever to have taken place in the history of humanity.

00:03:03.100 So I think there's still a lot of trauma that's getting worked out.

00:03:08.920 It's kind of our Vietnam of elections.

00:03:12.020 You know, we're still trying to get over those ghosts.

00:03:15.340 But all the indicators show Trump is stronger than he has ever been, either in 2016 or 2020.

00:03:21.260 And the Democrat is weaker than they've ever been.

00:03:24.380 Well, I mean, it's probably no coincidence that the swing states are the ones that take

00:03:27.940 the longest account.

00:03:28.740 I'm sure that's not, you know, that's not happenstance.

00:03:32.200 I think if this was a normal election, everything I'm seeing tells me that Trump would absolutely

00:03:36.440 romp home.

00:03:37.240 But of course, the question is, can he win by greater than the margin that they couldn't

00:03:42.660 fortify?

00:03:43.960 There you go.

00:03:44.700 The margin of fraud, as we call it.

00:03:47.440 Yeah, and I look at some things and I think it's a deadlock.

00:03:51.760 He's definitely, definitely going to win.

00:03:53.940 And then I listen to people like, I don't say, Mike Benz, who looks a lot at the security

00:03:58.780 state.

00:03:59.380 And I think, but they cannot let him.

00:04:02.860 So, I mean, I don't know.

00:04:04.380 I mean, how much protection is there in the system against, you know, just sheer vote

00:04:09.460 power?

00:04:09.980 I mean, how much can they really do if they need to?

00:04:12.680 The whole system is obfuscated by design.

00:04:17.860 You can't audit it.

00:04:20.480 You can't canvas the votes, as we say.

00:04:24.600 There is, the system is designed to be confusing, like our tax systems.

00:04:31.260 And unfortunately, yeah, Benz is pressing on a soft spot in our elections.

00:04:39.700 Just, you would hope that there's still, at least at the state level, because that's

00:04:44.180 what's running this.

00:04:45.400 It's not the federal governments, the state governments, that there's still enough integrity

00:04:49.860 there for this to be a fair and free election, basically.

00:04:55.580 You know, there's still going to be a bunch of cheating there, no question.

00:04:58.600 And I'm right outside of Philly.

00:05:00.740 And Philly is notorious for, you know, having 105% turnout in some districts, you know.

00:05:06.600 So, um, but that is impressive civil engagement.

00:05:10.320 That is my late grandparents didn't know they voted for Obama, you know.

00:05:17.400 So, yeah, uh, right.

00:05:19.660 It's, uh, again, though, one of the things we do have to, we'll bring the optimism back.

00:05:24.860 We have to protect ourselves from, uh, is what we call doomerism. 0.66

00:05:28.720 Uh, what I like to say is stop dooming about it and do something about it.

00:05:32.820 Uh, it's very American, right?

00:05:34.660 You find a little, a little jingle there.

00:05:36.540 Stop dooming about it.

00:05:37.700 Start doing something about it.

00:05:39.480 I mean, contact your local officials and the like, make sure they're doing whatever they,

00:05:43.340 um, possibly can to secure the democratic integrity of this election.

00:05:47.980 Because again, I don't, to be honest with you, Dan, I just got to tell you, I don't know

00:05:51.280 how Kamala can win legitimately in the eyes of, oh yeah, we're talking to 80 million people

00:05:57.680 right now that just, no matter what they could blame, they can blame Trump's loss on Jack

00:06:02.640 Smith and our, our, the prosecution and the lawfare.

00:06:05.560 They can blame it on the way the media has been covering up for, uh, for Kamala.

00:06:10.020 They can blame it all, all kinds.

00:06:11.780 They can blame it on just, you know, blatant nefarious forces and behind the, uh, the polling

00:06:16.840 in, in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, they can blame it all kinds of things that

00:06:20.420 Democrats can't win.

00:06:22.280 It seems to me a legitimate election anymore.

00:06:25.080 This, this is unfortunately the, the toll of 2020.

00:06:28.560 That's still, it's a scar.

00:06:29.920 That's going to be with us for a long time.

00:06:32.320 Yeah.

00:06:32.840 So, uh, well, actually, I mean, on that, they might be doing us a favor because if this

00:06:39.480 was a normal election, a lot of people might feel that they don't need to do their best,

00:06:44.280 but they don't need to go out and vote because it's such a lot for Trump.

00:06:47.000 Whereas raising this ambiguity and everybody knowing that they need to vote so strong that

00:06:51.380 it goes beyond the margin of fortification, it could actually end up rebounding in our

00:06:54.820 favor.

00:06:55.440 I mean, that's a possibility.

00:06:57.300 Um, it's, it seems, it seems to be happening, uh, with the early voting.

00:07:01.420 Well, the, uh, yeah, the Republicans are crushing it.

00:07:04.520 We've never seen early voting numbers like this.

00:07:06.660 Never.

00:07:07.080 I mean, they're, they're ahead in North Carolina.

00:07:09.180 Republicans are never ahead in early voting.

00:07:12.160 Democrats, Republicans are election day civic duty voters.

00:07:16.360 They've been that way for decades.

00:07:18.160 They're ahead in Arizona.

00:07:19.940 They're ahead in Georgia.

00:07:21.400 They're ahead in North Carolina.

00:07:23.220 This is, this is insane.

00:07:25.540 What's driving that then?

00:07:26.700 Is that because of there's always election day shenanigans.

00:07:29.800 I mean, I remember things like sending the wrong size ballot papers out to coincidentally,

00:07:34.680 um, only Republican voting areas so that they wouldn't run through the, you know, the automatic

00:07:39.860 counting machines, you know, doing other things, you know, uh, not, not giving the right

00:07:44.400 power supply to the voting machines in Republican only areas by coincidence, but there was long

00:07:48.740 queues.

00:07:49.280 Is, is it Republicans are sort of wising up to, they know that they're going to, they

00:07:53.440 are actively going to be disenfranchised and therefore they need to pull every lever.

00:07:57.000 Uh, yes.

00:07:58.520 Yeah.

00:07:58.760 I think you said it perfectly.

00:08:00.540 I think we've been waiting for this for four years.

00:08:03.260 We've been waiting for this moment for four years.

00:08:05.580 We knew Trump was going to come back for a third go.

00:08:08.700 Uh, we, we knew this was going to be Trump 2.0 and we just, they've been galvanized and

00:08:14.380 now Laura Trump, his daughter-in-law, uh, she's in charge of the Republican National

00:08:19.200 Committee along with, uh, with Mike Watley, who was instrumental in, uh, turning the Republican

00:08:25.260 Party into a super majority in North Carolina.

00:08:27.860 He's from the North Carolina Republican Party.

00:08:29.760 He's brilliant.

00:08:30.860 I think, I think they're, I think they're up to it again.

00:08:33.280 We'll see, we'll see how it plays out.

00:08:35.340 But right now, as we speak, Republicans are crushing early voting like never before.

00:08:40.980 And I just think it's, it's been this get out the vote effort, this, uh, voter registration

00:08:45.640 effort and, uh, and, and also get getting out what we call low propensity to no propensity

00:08:52.000 voters.

00:08:52.480 So voters who didn't vote, who only voted in one of the last four elections, they're

00:08:58.060 called low propensity and voters that didn't vote in any of the last four elections are

00:09:02.700 called no propensity, low prop and no prop.

00:09:05.680 And we're finding, uh, they're coming out in spades for early voting that, that comes

00:09:10.140 through the voter registration efforts and, and ballot chasing and all that.

00:09:14.360 And, uh, they're voting overwhelmingly Republican, very similar.

00:09:17.820 We'll talk about, I'm sure, very similar to the Brexit vote, uh, where, where low prop

00:09:23.120 and no prop voters came out in mass to vote for that referendum.

00:09:27.440 I mean, I, I've, I've seen a number of clips at this point of, um, these sort of vox pops

00:09:32.500 on the streets of, of black men being asked which way they're going to vote.

00:09:36.020 And now, of course, historically, they've always gone very heavily Democrat and to a man,

00:09:40.780 they're going, there's no way I'm letting that woman to be president. 1.00

00:09:42.880 Um, yeah, it's stunning and, and it's gotten so bad now that they're blaming, they're not

00:09:48.300 blaming race anymore.

00:09:50.280 Now, now they're deferring back to sex.

00:09:52.520 They're deferring back to gender, right? 0.90

00:09:55.200 So it's men, it's men who, who, uh, I love, uh, who was it who said it?

00:10:00.360 I forget the other day.

00:10:01.460 Um, men are worried about strong, independent women who are, uh, who are seeking power.

00:10:08.820 And so these men are becoming fascists.

00:10:11.780 Yeah, I think this is Mika Brzezinski from MSNBC.

00:10:14.820 These men are becoming fascists.

00:10:16.620 They're embracing fascism to stop these strong, independent women from, from, uh, taking power. 1.00

00:10:23.700 And I'm thinking, you mean like Georgia Maloney?

00:10:26.640 You mean like Marine Le Pen?

00:10:29.520 So, so, so strong, independent women, strong, independent women seeking power. 0.67

00:10:34.620 They can't be called fascists, Mika.

00:10:37.480 Do you, do I need to actually bring back to you the headlines that were greeting Georgia

00:10:42.780 Maloney and, uh, Marine Le Pen or the, uh, Lee, I'm forgetting her name, the leader of

00:10:47.200 the AFD, the alternative for Deutschland, uh, you know, they're, they're, I mean, yeah,

00:10:51.520 Dutch farmers party.

00:10:52.680 I mean, yeah, there's a whole bunch of them, isn't there?

00:10:53.860 Yeah.

00:10:54.140 Exactly.

00:10:54.780 Exactly.

00:10:55.300 They have females, strong females leading them, but who are fascists in the end, they 0.99

00:10:59.580 just have no intellectual credibility whatsoever at this point.

00:11:03.220 Yeah.

00:11:04.280 So, I mean, a number of, I mean, we're here to talk about your book, which is excellent,

00:11:08.080 by the way, we are definitely coming to that, but I just want to catch up on a couple of

00:11:11.720 bits that have happened since we last spoke.

00:11:13.800 I mean, the, the big political events has been many, but I mean, I think we'd probably

00:11:17.400 focus on things like, um, JD Vance coming on board, um, the candidates switching to Kamala,

00:11:23.800 a couple of assassinations.

00:11:25.380 There's also a UK, UK election, but boring.

00:11:28.040 We talk about that another time.

00:11:29.540 Um, yeah, I mean, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we're on the front, you, you were

00:11:32.680 on the front lines, a change of that, man.

00:11:34.700 You, you even coined the term.

00:11:37.240 We, we, we, we did what we could on that one, but, uh, but yeah, so, I mean, uh, I mean,

00:11:42.800 where do we, where do we start?

00:11:43.840 I mean, what do you want to go with, uh, um, JD Vance, I think was the first, wasn't,

00:11:47.140 no, actually, no, the assassination was first, wasn't it?

00:11:49.700 By a day.

00:11:50.340 Yeah, that's right.

00:11:51.440 So that's true.

00:11:52.220 That was July 13th.

00:11:53.600 So that would have been a week, about a week before he chose JD Vance.

00:11:57.320 Cause he, it was on a Saturday and they had the Republican convention that week, that following

00:12:02.800 week.

00:12:03.740 Uh, yeah, yeah.

00:12:05.120 Um, what do you make of Vance then?

00:12:06.900 I mean, what, what, what's your assessment of that pick?

00:12:09.800 Vance, Vance is huge.

00:12:11.400 It's, it's absolutely, it's, Vance has solidified the fact that the Republican party is now officially

00:12:17.800 our reform party.

00:12:19.920 So Trump in many ways is a third party candidate, right?

00:12:24.100 Third party can't who took over a major party.

00:12:26.840 So it'd be something akin to Farage taking over the Tories and just totally revamping them.

00:12:33.200 The Republicans have, have fought tooth and nail all these eight years, uh, for this.

00:12:39.720 They were hoping Trump was a one and done.

00:12:42.100 He was a fluke.

00:12:43.920 Um, JD Vance is now, especially after the VP,

00:12:47.640 debate where he demolished Tim Walz, who just ended up looking like a cartoon character

00:12:52.260 up there.

00:12:53.260 Um, he has now solidified the future of the Republican party as a MAGA, uh, party as, as

00:13:01.000 a, as our reform party.

00:13:03.240 That's so you're confident that MAGA will outlift Trump.

00:13:06.940 Absolutely.

00:13:07.480 That's what my book's all about.

00:13:08.820 Absolutely.

00:13:09.560 The, because again, we, we have a lot of that, uh, uh, oh, we owe over to you because

00:13:15.480 of the, the very similar processes that, uh, that animated Brexit and that will continue

00:13:21.240 to animate our politics.

00:13:23.300 Uh, granted we are, I like to tell our audience, if you're worried about globalism and globalists

00:13:29.540 and liberals and so forth, I'm sorry, you got to look in the mirror.

00:13:32.180 We are it for places like Russia or China or, uh, India or Turkey, uh, liberal globalism

00:13:40.840 is a foreign invader. 0.81

00:13:42.160 You know, they're trying, they're trying to take over their country. 0.99

00:13:45.080 And so they can galvanize their people and push it back almost like, you know, uh, Attila

00:13:49.480 the Hun threat or something akin to that for us, for us, although you have a little bit

00:13:54.260 of that with the, you had that with the bullies in Brussels for us, it's a civil war.

00:13:58.920 These guys, these guys are entrenched in all of our cultural institutions.

00:14:04.120 They have all the lives of power and, um, it's going to take time to literally exorcise

00:14:11.980 this from, from our, uh, from our society.

00:14:15.540 But the argument I try to make, and I think JD Vance would be a perfect embodiment of it

00:14:20.840 is that there, these are just, you know, history moves like a, like a tide in the ocean

00:14:27.740 and we're on a raft and we can kind of move around and rearrange the tape, the chairs in

00:14:32.280 all kinds of ways, but we're still moving.

00:14:34.300 And what I try to do is look at the big picture trends to show we're moving in a direction

00:14:39.820 that I think, uh, all of us would say is, uh, is the direction of, of sanity and yeah.

00:14:46.700 I don't know if you, if you use the word, if you use those words, you describe it like

00:14:51.280 a tide in the book.

00:14:52.600 I can't remember, but that is very much the kind of message that you're getting across,

00:14:56.300 but there is that sort of groundswell that is happening.

00:14:59.160 So, so yes, we must come to that, but, but also very quickly, um, Kamala.

00:15:05.540 What, um, what do you say?

00:15:09.380 Yeah.

00:15:11.220 Yeah.

00:15:11.760 The, the, the most, the most, probably the most fabricated public figure on the planet

00:15:17.360 right now.

00:15:18.100 I mean, what do you say when she was in a law, when she was a, she was a district attorney, 1.00

00:15:24.200 the joke was in California, that if you were a defense attorney and you found out you were

00:15:31.400 going up against Kamala Harris, uh, in the prosecution, you high fived your client said,

00:15:37.240 we got this. 1.00

00:15:38.180 She was known all across, all across the Western legal system as one of the stupidest morons 1.00

00:15:46.500 out there. 1.00

00:15:46.980 And she proves it every day.

00:15:49.220 She proves it.

00:15:50.280 She, you just compare her mind to someone like a JD Vance. 0.99

00:15:54.120 And I mean, it's just, I mean, there's, I don't know what do you even say about it?

00:15:58.300 It's obviously she just, she has a really hard time being in front of a camera, being in

00:16:03.280 front of people, being, being in front of us, a puffball interviewer.

00:16:07.420 I mean, it's just, it's bizarre.

00:16:10.340 Is it possible that DEI got her all the way to running for president?

00:16:15.400 Is it, is that possible?

00:16:17.080 It is possible.

00:16:18.020 And you have about 43, 45% of our population ready to reward that because they hate the

00:16:25.400 other side so much.

00:16:26.580 They've learned to hate the, uh, the MAGA side, uh, so much.

00:16:31.260 Um, and, and, and again, it's similar dynamics I know are going across the pond, um, where

00:16:37.580 literally, yeah, where, we're just, where I, I have to say on our side, I have to say

00:16:45.220 because probably because of the, the, um, the strength of religiosity and traditional

00:16:52.540 Christianity, uh, on our side, there's still an empathy that I see for people on the left.

00:16:59.940 I mean, you see it even just the way, the way we stand up for free speech.

00:17:03.980 No, go ahead, say your piece, but allow me to say mine and let's, let's let the best

00:17:08.820 argument win.

00:17:09.620 I think this is why Elon Musk has been coming over and Jordan Peterson have been coming over

00:17:14.000 to our side, but their side is just animated with this radical perspectivalism that says,

00:17:20.560 if you do not, if you do not comport to our way of thinking, you ironically are a heretic 0.94

00:17:27.640 and heretics must be punished. 1.00

00:17:30.600 They must be burned. 1.00

00:17:32.100 Hence cancel culture. 0.95

00:17:33.120 That's, it's a form of secular exclusion. 0.77

00:17:35.320 And there is, there is a level up from there, isn't there?

00:17:37.880 Um, I've, I've got to get your take on the assassination.

00:17:40.160 You do, you have a touching anecdote, I think at the end of the book, but I, I get the impression

00:17:45.060 most of this book was written by the time the, the assassination taken place, but you've

00:17:49.020 got a touching story at the end, which I won't spoil for people.

00:17:51.280 Um, but yeah, what, what, what, what was your, what was your take on, well, what, what are

00:17:55.660 now, um, two assassination attempts?

00:17:58.140 Yeah.

00:17:58.320 Two assassination attempts.

00:17:59.800 Yeah.

00:18:00.260 Um, it, it was, we've all been, we've all been saying it's not a matter of if it's only

00:18:06.320 a matter of when somebody would try it.

00:18:08.720 We've all been saying that because the rhetoric against Trump is so over the top.

00:18:13.440 I think the latest article, was it from the Atlantic or the New Yorker?

00:18:16.920 Uh, Trump sound, what was the, it was the headline Trump sounds like Hitler, Mussolini

00:18:21.760 and Mao all rolled up in one and everyone just started to lie.

00:18:25.640 It was one of the most mocked, you know?

00:18:28.060 So we've graduated from Trump is Hitler to Trump is Mussolini to Trump is Mao to now let's

00:18:34.460 just throw them all together, you know?

00:18:36.340 Yeah.

00:18:36.560 Stick Gengar Khan in there as well. 0.99

00:18:38.200 Why not?

00:18:38.520 Yep.

00:18:39.260 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:40.100 And, and, and one of the most famous moral dilemmas, uh, that we have in hypothetical

00:18:47.160 ethics is, you know, if you could have taken Hitler out, would you have? 0.74

00:18:51.740 And 99% of people say, sure.

00:18:53.940 Yeah.

00:18:54.480 Well, there you go.

00:18:57.060 Uh, you know, this, this kid crook tried to ironically, ironic last name, uh, tried to 0.89

00:19:02.540 take him out and the, and the radical incompetence.

00:19:05.900 I mean, somebody actually described it as apocalyptic incompetence on the part of the

00:19:12.900 secret service does seem to suggest a kind of intentional neglect.

00:19:18.800 That's how Jack Kosobiec puts it in his book.

00:19:21.140 He just wrote a book on, uh, on the shooting.

00:19:24.180 You could view it as sort of this sarcastic terrorism term that the left sort of originally

00:19:29.340 engendered.

00:19:30.080 You can say, okay, well, on one hand, they're creating, um, a pool of likely shooters with

00:19:35.640 their, their media appearance.

00:19:37.560 Um, now they know that in any large population, you've got, you know, 350 million people to

00:19:42.960 pick from, you run that sort of rhetoric.

00:19:44.700 You are going to generate naturally a number of people who are want to, want to take that

00:19:48.560 shot.

00:19:49.080 And the only thing you need to add to that is opportunity.

00:19:51.660 Um, and it is quite clear that opportunities are being left open in order for that to happen.

00:19:56.860 And, you know, this story has gone very quiet, like a lot of these things do.

00:20:01.000 I mean, the Las Vegas shooter and a whole bunch of other ones, they've, they've gone

00:20:03.720 very quiet and Trump seems to go very quiet on it himself.

00:20:08.300 But I don't think missing a bullet by a quarter of an inch is the sort of thing that you just

00:20:12.480 forget about after a few months.

00:20:13.960 I hope that he's going to bring the hammer down on the deep state and, and the, and the

00:20:18.720 mechanisms that the liberals are running the moment he comes to power.

00:20:22.400 Yes, with him and with Robert Kennedy, Robert Kennedy Jr.

00:20:25.920 was one of the first people we talked about, talked to afterward.

00:20:29.140 I think that was it.

00:20:30.140 That's when they, they made the decision, uh, to realign, create a populist alignment

00:20:35.280 between the two and, uh, and Elon Musk as well.

00:20:38.460 Elon's already joking.

00:20:39.460 You know, I remember when I took over Twitter, I fired 80% of the workforce there.

00:20:44.500 We can do the same thing in DC.

00:20:46.220 Yeah, exactly.

00:20:47.160 And it's so much better.

00:20:48.400 That would be superb.

00:20:49.460 Yeah.

00:20:49.820 I mean, one of the guys said to me here, he says, um, do you think maybe we're doing too

00:20:54.060 many segments on Trump and Elon?

00:20:55.960 And I've, and I said to him, well, yeah, but if, if this was 48 BC and we had a podcast

00:21:00.840 then, would you be complaining that we're doing too many segments about Pompey and Caesar

00:21:04.260 and Mark Antony?

00:21:05.380 And you don't know, you, you, you, you got, you got to go with the great men of the time,

00:21:08.560 haven't you?

00:21:08.900 I mean, that's, that's the fascinating stuff.

00:21:10.540 Yeah.

00:21:10.640 Yeah.

00:21:10.860 It's what, um, I think Patrick Deneen refers to as, uh, aristopopulism, where he draws from

00:21:16.760 Aristotle on that.

00:21:18.420 Aristotle said you can, you can have an oligarchy that rules for its own values, interests, concerns,

00:21:23.680 and, uh, completely, uh, disregards and dismisses the people, this sort of Marie Antoinette sort 0.97

00:21:30.040 of thing, let them, let them eat cake. 0.98

00:21:31.640 Uh, or on the other hand, you can have, uh, a total mass, you know, French revolution uprising

00:21:38.540 democracy in its ultimate sense, which is a mob rule.

00:21:43.040 What you want is a balance.

00:21:44.460 You want an aristopopulism you want.

00:21:46.720 And again, the best of when British society is at its best, this is what you guys do.

00:21:51.840 Like no one else, you have an aristocracy that puts into reality that, that uses their 0.79

00:21:58.700 power and their influence to make a reality, the values and interests and concerns of the

00:22:03.720 people who do not have the means to do it themselves.

00:22:07.180 And when you have an, an aristopopulism like that, Aristotle says you have the basis for

00:22:12.620 a flourishing society.

00:22:14.120 And I think that's what these guys represent.

00:22:15.840 You want competing, um, tendencies amongst the elites, because if it's not going to be

00:22:21.140 amongst the elites, that circulation of power, it's going to be, it's going to have to be

00:22:24.680 the full French revolution.

00:22:25.680 It's going to have to be that full undoing of a civilization, which could be quite cathartic

00:22:30.480 at this point, but it would also be, you know, there'd be a lot of drama that went

00:22:36.920 along with it.

00:22:37.340 You said it, I did it.

00:22:38.320 You probably don't want to go there.

00:22:41.060 So you want these sort of competing tensions in the elites, but we've had the, we've had

00:22:44.060 for decades now, a system where the system has been so predictable and so uniform that

00:22:49.860 we've had a class of elites who are all basically aligned interest.

00:22:53.120 And that, and that's simply by virtue of the fact that you would not be an elite if

00:22:56.380 you did not compete very well in this stable environment.

00:22:59.140 That's exactly right.

00:22:59.680 So you've got this stable elite, but now we've got, we've got a new elite emerging.

00:23:04.000 Um, you know, Elon is probably the best example of that.

00:23:06.680 Somebody who does not adhere to the old model.

00:23:09.340 Um, you know, and there's a bunch of others.

00:23:11.180 I mean, the, the, the former PayPal guys, you know, the David Sachs and the, um, Peter

00:23:15.740 Teal.

00:23:16.260 Peter Teal.

00:23:17.000 That's the one.

00:23:17.540 You're getting all of these characters emerging.

00:23:19.540 It looks like they're not happy having all of this sort of power and money, but no sort

00:23:24.280 of political influence.

00:23:25.300 And they're, yeah, they're going to try and push through one way or another.

00:23:29.820 And to close the loop on that, JD Vance embodies that because JD Vance made his money with Peter

00:23:35.160 Teal.

00:23:35.560 So he, he brings together Appalachian working class with the new tech, right?

00:23:41.320 That's rising up these kind of anti-Silicon Valley techies like Elon Musk, like Peter

00:23:47.680 Teal, like Vivek Ramaswamy and so forth.

00:23:50.800 Uh, and, and no one embodies the sort of aristopopulist, um, uh, movement, uh, like, uh, JD Vance.

00:23:58.700 Yeah.

00:23:59.600 So Steve, it was, it was so good to catch up, but we must move on to your book because I

00:24:03.520 got this over the weekend.

00:24:05.040 Um, it's a great read.

00:24:07.040 Um, I, I, I, there were many things I like about it.

00:24:09.940 The message, obviously, but I also like the fact that it gets to the point, it delivers

00:24:14.540 its point and it, and it, it doesn't run on anything.

00:24:17.320 What are we, it's something like 150 pages.

00:24:19.300 I'll tell you the amount of books I read these days, the sort of 300 pages long and the second

00:24:23.800 half is all filler.

00:24:25.240 Um, you didn't do that.

00:24:26.520 You made your point and, and you got it done.

00:24:29.040 So I, I really appreciate that if nothing else, but let, let, let, let's, let's jump into,

00:24:33.480 into some of the points you're making there because you start off in, in, in the first

00:24:36.900 chapter, the first part of the book talking about the rise of liberalism.

00:24:39.940 So what is it about liberalism that makes it so incompatible with a decent functioning

00:24:47.600 society?

00:24:48.440 And was, and was it always like that?

00:24:49.920 How did we get into this situation?

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