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PREVIEW: Chronicles #11 | The Importance Of Being Earnest


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In this episode of Chronicles, we re talking all about the importance of being earnest by Oscar Wilde. We re joined by the Office Authority on the Choristers' Choirs' Harry Harrison to discuss the play, Dorian Gray, and the scandal surrounding it.


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00:00:00.000 Hello, and welcome to this episode of Chronicles, where today we're going to be talking all
00:00:18.620 about the importance of being earnest by Oscar Wilde. And kind enough to help me with this
00:00:25.820 episode is the office authority on the choirs himself, Harry. Hello there. Did you know that
00:00:33.080 Oscar Wilde was a frightful choir? A probable choir. No, definite choir. A certain choir.
00:00:38.120 Yeah, definitely a choir. I heard it from the Marquess. Yes, Queensbury. Didn't like the choirs.
00:00:44.880 No, didn't. Great disappointment. But that should be all the time that we actually have
00:00:51.320 to dedicate to... Well, just very quickly. Okay, sure. One of the great tragedies of the
00:00:56.480 Marquess of Queensbury is the fact that not only was his son, Alfred Douglas, having an affair with
00:01:02.400 Oscar Wilde, but his other son was rumoured to be having an affair with the Prime Minister
00:01:07.940 at the same time. And in fact, it's those rumours which some speculate was the reason the Prime
00:01:15.140 Minister and the English government went so hard against Wilde, was to distract. Oh, really?
00:01:20.480 Classic distraction technique. I did not know that about the other... Yeah. Wow. That's a rough
00:01:25.880 life as a father, isn't it? And again, actually, another interesting fact. This is why I got him
00:01:30.260 here. Another interesting factoid. I did lots of research into this, all right? And the video's
00:01:34.820 nowhere near to being out yet. The script is done. It will be out sometime within this decade,
00:01:40.640 I think. I have seen the script, by the way. It is real. It is real. Thank you. Thank you,
00:01:45.560 you see. But the other thing was that Alfred Douglas later in life claimed that it was not a
00:01:51.960 consensual relationship. Now, this might have been a tactic to try and divert from his culpability in
00:01:59.400 the relationship. Or who knows? Perhaps he was groomed by Oscar Wilde unconsensually. That's one of those
00:02:06.960 great mysteries. Yes. Yes. We'll never know. We'll never know. But... So let's start talking about...
00:02:13.180 Well, actually, let's just... Before we even start talking about the play, let's just set the scene.
00:02:16.620 So the play came out, first performance of Valentine's Day, 1895, a month before the famous
00:02:26.380 libel case. Yes. I know that the Marquess was intending to disrupt the very first performance. He was.
00:02:32.460 And throw rotten vegetables on the stage. And also stand up and tell the audience,
00:02:39.020 did you know that this... Hey, right. Frightful choir. Sondamite. Sondamite.
00:02:43.120 Yeah. So 1895. And this is, I must say, the first time I've actually read anything by Oscar Wilde,
00:02:53.460 because I'm a philistine and I'm frightfully uncultured, you see. I know I have a copy of
00:02:59.120 The Picture of Dorian Gray. My missus loves it. She thinks it's a wonderful book. Because it seems
00:03:05.380 to have that sort of gothic quality to it of many Victorian and Edwardian novels. But I had not read
00:03:11.000 that yet. And I had not read any of his plays prior to this. So that's my first experience.
00:03:16.380 Well, so let's also just mention as well. So Dorian Gray, I believe, came out in about 1890.
00:03:22.080 And then that whole period from 1893 until the importance being earnest, Wilde had no fewer
00:03:30.100 than four smash hit plays on at the West End, right? So was it prior to Dorian Gray that he'd
00:03:37.720 made his name as a very famous and popular playwright? Or was it after the success of that book that he
00:03:43.300 really took off?
00:03:44.280 He had written plays before Dorian Gray. However, these ones in this particular period of his life
00:03:52.040 were by far the most successful. Before even Dorian Gray, he'd already been on lecture tours around
00:03:59.620 America. And he was a very well-traveled man going to Paris and other such places, talking about his
00:04:07.820 particular philosophy of aestheticism, which we'll talk about more in terms of the play and what it
00:04:15.020 all means. But he was already very well-respected, a real titan of the age. Even the Prince of Wales
00:04:24.140 had commented on the fact that, well, he hadn't personally met Wilde yet. And so he was really...
00:04:31.000 So he was somebody to meet.
00:04:32.100 He was somebody to meet. He was somebody to meet very much in his own time, which of course meant that
00:04:37.260 the fall was even more meteoric.
00:04:39.900 Oh, yes. I mean, I remember it was after his conviction, which was completely self-inflicted.
00:04:44.960 Oh, indeed.
00:04:45.620 He didn't need to take a libel case. And he was clearly a very well-known socialite.
00:04:51.080 And within socialite circles, it's very difficult to keep secrets. Very, very difficult to keep
00:04:55.700 secrets, especially when you're a man like Wilde who loved to talk.
00:04:58.740 Yes. And it was not particularly discreet in any of his excursions, nor the fact that he often spent
00:05:04.520 time with the street boys of London. So, you know, he was the one who brought the defamation case
00:05:11.260 against the Marquess within a single day, realized this was a terrible idea, and then got charged for
00:05:18.200 it afterwards because enough evidence had come out against him in his own case that the Scotland Yard
00:05:25.360 decided, well, we've got a case here. And I believe it was after that, he basically, after his conviction,
00:05:29.900 he basically lived in despondence for the next five years after he'd been released from prison.
00:05:35.100 And then, was it, he died in Paris in 1900?
00:05:38.220 He did, yes.
00:05:38.940 Yes.
00:05:39.380 Yes.
00:05:39.640 There's some, strangely, for some reason, I just feel like there's some strange parallels.
00:05:44.880 Obviously, the actual circumstances are different, and the details are different. But there's something
00:05:49.220 weird to me that sort of like, it feels almost like how Nietzsche died, right? Because Nietzsche
00:05:54.540 goes crazy in the 1890s, spends the last 10 years of his life in despondence and without being able
00:06:02.660 to look after himself, and then dies in 1900. Wild self-inflicts a massive own goal against himself,
00:06:11.140 spends the last five years of his life in despondence and dies in 1900 as well. That's just a weird
00:06:16.080 little connection my brain has made. Feel free to roast me in the comments over it.
00:06:20.060 Wild versus Nietzsche, who would you rather still have?
00:06:23.340 Well, they both feel rather different places in society, really.
00:06:28.720 They do, they do at that. So, okay, so the play The Importance of Being Earnest was first performed
00:06:36.040 at St. James's Theatre. And this is just something as well that I really wanted to talk about in terms
00:06:42.900 of the Victorian theatre scene at that time as well. Because, of course, what we're dealing with
00:06:49.100 here, in many ways, not that anyone would have, not that the common man would have been aware of it
00:06:54.740 at the time. But really, you're dealing with theatre in that final turn of into the 20th century,
00:07:03.240 that is kind of the unrivaled form of mass entertainment for the masses, since all of time,
00:07:09.440 all the way back to ancient Greece. If you wanted to see live performance, if you wanted to go out
00:07:15.780 and have entertainment, you would go and watch a show. And obviously, in the few decades to come,
00:07:21.180 you had cinema and then television. And all of a sudden, that monopoly that just live performance
00:07:28.040 had had, is all obviously going to be broken up. And now, theatre here in the, you know, sort of
00:07:35.520 20, 21st century. In the heartland of fantastic theatrical performances, really.
00:07:41.560 Yes. Yes. And so, with St. James's Theatre, but all of these different theatres around London,
00:07:47.240 they all had some speciality that they were known for. So, you have these actor directors,
00:07:52.360 actors, who were actor managers, who both managed their own particular theatre, and would act in the
00:07:59.820 plays, and would decide what plays were put on, and were very much responsible for cultivating
00:08:05.660 the image. So, when you went to a St. James Theatre, you knew exactly what type of play you were
00:08:13.040 getting. You were going to get a society drama. You were going to get a comedy of manners, in the same
00:08:18.800 way that if you were going to Covent Garden, you knew you were going to get an opera. And if you
00:08:22.980 went to Drory Lane, you knew you were going to see a melodrama, right? So, they all had their own
00:08:27.620 particular place. And the types of people who were going to the theatre, of course, around this
00:08:34.880 time, were largely the rich, largely the middle classes, although it was becoming more accessible
00:08:42.160 to the working class people as well. And in a few years' time, you'll see just
00:08:48.800 the institution, the work of actors moving away from being those people who were the outcasts in
00:08:57.400 society, and also the people who were just simply acting families, keeping it within the family,
00:09:04.700 and more into a way where, because in the Victorian era, you had Henry Irving, most famous actor of his
00:09:11.860 age, who was the first actor to receive a knighthood. And so, all of a sudden, you're looking at acting as
00:09:17.740 something attractive. It's admirable. You're a celebrity.
00:09:21.340 All of a sudden, it's been elevated. Which makes sense in the era, both in the Industrial
00:09:26.480 Revolution, of the sudden explosion of the mass man, given the birth rate spikes that happened during
00:09:32.900 the Industrial Revolution, the 19th century, and the fact that suddenly people were able to survive
00:09:37.760 much more readily because of the development of new medication, meaning that childhood mortality rates
00:09:44.640 just dropped off of a cliff and kept dropping until we reached the point that we're at now.
00:09:49.460 And also mass media, where the newspaper becomes something that is regularly seen all across the
00:09:56.340 country and is easily accessible to people. So, and within those newspapers, you get something like
00:10:01.940 the theatre review columns and such. So, all of a sudden, you're reading about these people. They're elevated
00:10:07.700 on this new form of media, which makes everything seem larger than life, and it expands everything.
00:10:14.340 So, of course, you're going to get a new rise of celebrity, where, you know, before there were
00:10:19.820 always like famous people and celebrities. Now, I would imagine it seemed much more attainable
00:10:24.900 all of a sudden. And at the same time, with the development of technology, all the more glamorous.
00:10:30.200 Absolutely. Absolutely. Which is definitely something I'll talk about in another chronicle.
00:10:35.160 And then with something like the Oscar Wilde case, you also get the salacious looks on the inside
00:10:41.440 lives of celebrities, which comes with its negatives, yes. Oh, definitely.
00:10:45.080 But I would imagine it also came with a very similar tabloid mentality that we have now,
00:10:49.500 where it's, look at how much fun you can have. Look at the excess and hedonism that comes with this.
00:10:57.320 And especially to working class people struggling, that can look very attractive.
00:11:02.980 It can. It can. It can certainly have its allure. So let's begin talking about the play.
00:11:08.560 Well, the first thing to say is, one of the things that I really like about the importance of being
00:11:13.720 earnest is that you can just watch it or read it as pure entertainment, right? It is one of those
00:11:21.560 plays where you don't feel like you're constantly being bombarded with moral messaging. Even though
00:11:27.980 there are very characters who constantly give their opinions on things, you never feel like
00:11:34.440 these opinions are so firmly held, right? Like Algernon is just full of just pithy comments
00:11:40.800 everywhere. And they overload you to the sense that you don't really care what any of them are.
00:11:45.660 It's more about the fact that they sound witty. Well, yes, that's something that I noticed,
00:11:50.340 that there's a sort of languid cynicism to everything in this play, where nobody can take
00:11:57.640 anything seriously, except for the characters that are overtly caricatures of the stuffy matriarch
00:12:05.260 archetype. Even towards the end of the play, the one priest who's depicted in it turns out to not be
00:12:13.080 as stuffy as the old lady who wants nothing more than her daughter to, sorry, yeah, her daughter to
00:12:20.320 be married off to only the most eligible of bachelors who needs to meet all of these very
00:12:25.600 fine, detailed requirements, which almost seems incredibly unreasonable. And I can't help but feel
00:12:31.440 that Oscar Wilde, given that he was a socialite who, you know, went around all of these different
00:12:37.740 social circles and interacted with all of these people, had very particular people in mind when
00:12:44.400 he was writing these characters. This felt almost like a personal attack on whoever it was that he
00:12:51.860 was writing about and had in mind on this. Because I imagine there might have been a few people who may
00:12:56.700 have seen this play and gone, hold up, hold up, old Oscar, me boy. They're doing the DiCaprio meme,
00:13:02.660 just like pointing at them. Wait a moment. That's me. So there is that element of pure
00:13:07.260 entertainment. And I will say that this play, even though I only read it, I didn't get a chance
00:13:14.820 to watch an adaptation of it. It felt like the words were just jumping straight off of the page.
00:13:23.120 Even reading it, it was snappy. It was fast paced. There were rapid fire quips and little pithy
00:13:30.160 comments that made it feel very witty. And it was very witty. It was very entertaining
00:13:35.060 and comedic. But again, there was something that I brought up yesterday to you, which is that due to
00:13:42.840 the cynicism of it, the lack of seriousness and the fact that there was never a serious moment in
00:13:48.140 the whole thing, everything constantly had to be, everything had to be undercut with a joke.
00:13:53.520 It felt in its own strange way, don't crucify me for this, because this is the only play of his
00:13:59.420 that I've read. And I'm sure with a literary novel like Dorian Gray under his belt, that he could
00:14:05.220 write serious narratives. It felt almost like a precursor to Joss Whedon.
00:14:10.500 What is brunch?
00:14:11.800 I don't even understand the physics of how my toes hurt.
00:14:15.040 Yes.
00:14:15.700 And James Gunn and the modern MCU style writing, obviously a much higher quality than that.
00:14:21.780 And the more English character.
00:14:23.180 And a much more English character. It's not like something would happen and then the character
00:14:27.780 was like stage director to look to the audience and go, well, that just happened.
00:14:32.860 It was nothing like that. But everything was constantly being undercut. The characters' trials
00:14:38.920 and the characters' emotional faults and the difficulties they were experiencing weren't
00:14:43.980 really supposed to be taken seriously.
00:14:45.600 No, not at all.
00:14:46.260 But at the same time, this is very clearly a comedic satire.
00:14:49.340 So the characters are, you are supposed to sort of have a somewhat scornful look at these
00:14:55.580 people. Or at least that's what I got from it.
00:14:57.660 No, I entirely agree with you. And I think part of the reason that the play gets away with
00:15:01.880 that is because in the grand scheme of things, the stakes aren't exactly that high.
00:15:07.440 No.
00:15:07.920 Right. This is the thing. Like nothing really within the play.
00:15:11.940 This could be happening in total isolation and the world would know nothing of it and
00:15:17.420 it would be no consequence. This is just two men. So we've got Jack and we've got Algernon.
00:15:24.520 Let's start at the beginning.
00:15:26.620 Both ending up to claim to be earnest.
00:15:28.960 Yes. Yes.
00:15:29.740 And that's what I was not expecting the name of the play to be a literal pun on the names
00:15:35.520 that they're trying to use to win over these women in the play as well.
00:15:39.020 Love a good pun.
00:15:39.980 It was quite charming.
00:15:41.860 Yes. So you've got these two characters and one of the first things that comes about is
00:15:48.180 that Jack comes to the city, comes to London to visit his good friend Algernon, who is a
00:15:55.120 total socialite, lives on his debts, lives very, very comfortably.
00:15:58.980 And as Lady Bracknell says, he has nothing, but he looks everything.
00:16:04.860 And so he is, you know, a very eligible bachelor.
00:16:08.200 But Jack has left his cigarette case the time before.
00:16:13.360 And so all of a sudden what you have is Algernon is questioning Jack about where do you actually
00:16:19.060 go when you go back to the countryside?
00:16:22.260 Is it really in Shropshire?
00:16:23.700 It's because as well, he knows Jack is earnest.
00:16:26.800 Yes.
00:16:27.080 And he's wondering why the cigarette case that Ernest is claiming to be his is actually addressed
00:16:32.680 to a Jack Worthing, which seems like it may be a relation of Ernest Worthing.
00:16:37.360 And then Ernest says, well, actually, I'm Jack.
00:16:40.220 What I do is I have a name for the town and a name for the countryside, at which point Algernon
00:16:45.880 says, ah, so you're a Bunbriest.
00:16:47.560 Yes.
00:16:48.360 A frightful Bunbriest.
00:16:51.760 That sounds like a euphemism and a half, doesn't it?
00:16:54.160 It does.
00:16:55.480 Because Algernon has a similar plan.
00:16:57.840 Algernon has, in the same way that Jack, when he's in the country, says, oh, I have to go
00:17:03.740 to the countryside.
00:17:05.620 Sorry.
00:17:05.840 I have to go to the city because my frightful friend, my poor friend Ernest, my brother
00:17:09.820 Ernest, he's very, very ill.
00:17:12.180 And Jack constantly uses this as a way to get out of his moral obligations in the countryside
00:17:18.180 to go and live it up in the city.
00:17:20.920 And Algernon uses, has made up this fictitious friend of his, Bunbri, in order that he might
00:17:27.700 basically get out of seeing his relatives.
00:17:31.180 So he doesn't have to be at the dinner table with his aunt, Lady Bracknell.
00:17:35.340 It's such an English problem, really, isn't it?
00:17:38.820 Oh, I don't want to see Aunt Augusta, goodness, no.
00:17:43.180 Oh, Bunbriest feeling dreadfully ill.
00:17:45.680 I've just received news over the cable.
00:17:48.420 I must go to see him.
00:17:49.780 Yes.
00:17:50.620 And so, but what you have here, this is the lives that these two men have invented for
00:17:57.620 themselves, are really the start of the play's exploration of Wilde's philosophy of
00:18:03.760 aestheticism.
00:18:05.020 That is, that art for art's sake, and art should not endeavour to be truthful, it should endeavour
00:18:11.800 to be beautiful.
00:18:13.100 And this is not me putting a judgment on it, this is just me explaining Wilde's position.
00:18:17.840 It's almost a philosophy of pure superficiality.
00:18:22.420 Yes.
00:18:22.680 But in a way, I can see the merit in that, because aesthetics for aesthetic's sake is still
00:18:30.120 beautiful, and it still inspires something and connects to the human condition.
00:18:35.540 There's a question of, is there a point to anything if it isn't beautiful?
00:18:40.100 Yes.
00:18:40.540 And Wilde seems to have decided no.
00:18:42.940 It doesn't matter, to begin with, that Jack is basically just living a lie, right?
00:18:50.000 He's living a lie, and he's going to the city, and he's getting out of all these moral
00:18:54.140 responsibilities.
00:18:55.620 But when you get to the point where he's being interviewed by Lady Bracknell, just to skip
00:19:01.900 forward a little bit, and you come to learn that, well, actually, he was, he doesn't know
00:19:07.120 who his parents were, he was found in a handbag, but it was a Victoria line, so maybe he'll
00:19:13.600 still be respectable.
00:19:16.020 It doesn't go well.
00:19:17.220 And then the fact that he was basically taken by Thomas Cardew, Thomas Cardew died, and now
00:19:25.420 he is all of a sudden the ward out of obligation to Cardew for his granddaughter Cecily.
00:19:32.420 Jack is someone who has just had all of this responsibility thrust on him, whether he likes
00:19:38.800 it or not.
00:19:39.840 And it's obvious that Jack doesn't...
00:19:43.220 So it's a responsibility that comes with a hell of a lot of privileges.
00:19:46.400 Oh, no doubt.
00:19:47.300 As well.
00:19:47.620 No doubt at all.
00:19:48.340 He has a country manor.
00:19:49.260 If I could have that country manor, I'd be perfectly happy.
00:19:52.160 He earns a very tidy salary of about £8,000 per year on his investments.
00:19:57.600 Yes.
00:19:57.800 I did the inflation calculator on the Bank of England going back all the way to 1895.
00:20:03.320 That's about £911,000 in today's currency.
00:20:07.500 So that's a very comfortable living.
00:20:09.580 Indeed.
00:20:10.200 Indeed.
00:20:10.880 Which, again, to come back to the earlier point, makes his struggle seem all the more trivial.
00:20:17.320 Oh, yeah.
00:20:17.720 Right.
00:20:17.920 This is the point.
00:20:18.660 It's all self-inflicted.
00:20:20.320 Yes.
00:20:20.700 This man can basically live any life that he wants.
00:20:24.040 He's only chosen to behave in this way.
00:20:27.800 Which, again, the interesting thing with Wilde being an asceticist and believing that art doesn't have to have a moral message.
00:20:36.040 There is an underlying moral tone to this, which is that through choosing to be dishonest, these two characters, Algernon and Jack, have both created all of these problems, which end up at their doorstep.
00:20:52.420 And it's only through deciding to be honest with people that they end up getting what they want.
00:20:59.180 So there is actually a nice, tidy moral message wrapped up at the end.
00:21:03.160 But then it's topped off with a pun where the play literally ends with him saying, I have now learned the importance of being earnest.
00:21:13.340 Roll credits.
00:21:13.840 And it feels so neatly wrapped in a bow and ending with the pun, it feels, again, almost cynical, almost like, in reality, this is a joke and they've learned nothing and you've learned nothing because they lied their entire lives.
00:21:30.380 And just in this one moment of honesty, they got what they wanted.
00:21:35.400 But now that they've got what they've wanted, both of their future wives are saying, oh, I hope you don't start becoming more truthful with me in the future, dear Algie.
00:21:44.160 I would despise that.
00:21:46.260 It would be rather boring and unpleasant of you to be truthful to me.
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